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Bonnie Raitt: Right Down the Line

Bonnie reinvents Gerry Rafferty’s pop hit with a reggae-blues flavor
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Tonight’s insanity break: the showpiece from Bonnie Raitt’s sublime new album “Slipstream” (her first studio recording in 7 years), Gerry Rafferty’s “Right Down the Line.”

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411 comments

1 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:30:10pm

Just goes to show, real talent has no bells and whistles, spandex bikinis and back up dancers.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:36:22pm

re: #1 Madge

Just goes to show, real talent has no bells and whistles, spandex bikinis and back up dancers.

Some people don't need to sell their songs with their bodies.

BTW, why is "How Doctors Die" archived (closed to comments?)

3 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:37:53pm

re: #2 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Some people don't need to sell their songs with their bodies.

BTW, why is "How Doctors Die" archived (closed to comments?)

Comments are closed on all LGF posts after 7 days.

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:41:48pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Comments are closed on all LGF posts after 7 days.

Oh, now I see. It's high up in featured pages, so I assumed it was new.

I will post my comment here:

When my grandmother was at the end, the doctor told her that she could go into the ICU, and live a month, or go into a hospice, and live two weeks, or go home and live a week.

She actually came to my parents' home, where the family could gather around for her last days. I will always be grateful for her brave choice.

5 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:43:12pm

I've been out of the loop! How did it get moved up?

6 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:52:20pm

re: #5 Madge

One of the monitors must have 'featured' it. It's an interesting Page.

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:54:54pm

Oh, I see - the new post about the 2012 Best American Essays is related.

8 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:54:58pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

One of the monitors must have 'featured' it. It's an interesting Page.

Ahh cool beans.

9 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:55:42pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

One of the monitors must have 'featured' it. It's an interesting Page.

Ha ha! Monitor Lizards!

Another Ha Ha!

The chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC) on Wednesday refused to “walk back” claims that the Republican “war on women” was as fictional as a “war on caterpillars.”

10 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:58:45pm

re: #4 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Oh, now I see. It's high up in featured pages, so I assumed it was new.

I will post my comment here:

When my grandmother was at the end, the doctor told her that she could go into the ICU, and live a month, or go into a hospice, and live two weeks, or go home and live a week.

She actually came to my parents' home, where the family could gather around for her last days. I will always be grateful for her brave choice.

That's awesome she could be with you all. I don't think people realize that dying is a process. It's not like in the movies. You're sick, you feel bad, you speak a last word and that's it. It can go on for awhile and everyone knows what the end result with be, you just don't know when.

I've always said, it's the greatest blessing you can give, to be at the bedside. It's also the greatest curse - living with the pain of missing a beloved one.

11 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 6:59:00pm

re: #9 Kronocide

Ha ha! Monitor Lizards!

Another Ha Ha!

The chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC) on Wednesday refused to “walk back” claims that the Republican “war on women” was as fictional as a “war on caterpillars.”

Yeah there's no war on women because Republican controlled legislatures aren't supporting harassing women who get legal procedures done or making those who use birth control out to be common whores and standing idly by those who actually call them. I can't wait for American women to show the Republicans that they went a bridge too far and reward their assholery with a second term of Obama.

12 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:00:24pm
13 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:00:53pm

re: #9 Kronocide

Ha ha! Monitor Lizards!

Another Ha Ha!

The chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC) on Wednesday refused to “walk back” claims that the Republican “war on women” was as fictional as a “war on caterpillars.”

They don't believe it because we belong barefoot and pregnant. It's just called "making things right again." See how that works?

14 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:01:04pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Oh and don't leave out the war on public education by the GOP. Its not a big secret that most public school teachers are women. The GOP would rather see kids sit in front of computer screens at online schools or stay home and be home schooled.

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:01:47pm

re: #13 Madge

They don't believe it because we belong barefoot and pregnant. It's just called "making things right again." See how that works?

Pregnant women should be barefoot...with someone giving them a foot massage.

My feet hurt horribly back then.

16 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:02:32pm

re: #14 Mich-again

Oh and don't leave out the war on public education by the GOP. Its not a big secret that most public school teachers are women. The GOP would rather see kids sit in front of computer screens at online schools or stay home and be home schooled.

Of course, thanks, this is a good point too. Really if I were a woman, I'd probably dislike the Republican Party more than I already do. They only seem to care about serving the needs of the very wealthy and those who share their views on religion. Instead of becoming more inclusive, they have become more exclusive.

17 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:03:51pm

re: #15 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Pregnant women should be barefoot...with someone giving them a foot massage.

My feet hurt horribly back then.

Whoops, I should have added "not that there's anything wrong with that!" (Only as no other options.)

18 Political Atheist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:05:43pm

re: #4 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I wish my mom had done that. She severely declined in the hospital after a broken leg of all things and I honored a promise to let her go by having the machines turned off. I held her hand until the monitors all showed she was gone. Long ago now but it feels like last week.

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:06:14pm

re: #17 Madge

Whoops, I should have added "not that there's anything wrong with that!" (Only as no other options.)

Well, yes, but I always got a kick out of the expression, because I preferred to be barefoot when I was pregnant.

How about "Chained to the kitchen table?"

20 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:09:24pm

O'Donnell is practically fellating Zimm's new lawyer right now. I guess he's just happy that this one decided to show up.

21 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:09:42pm

Reince Priebus: There's no War on Women because the real War on Women is coming from Obama.

22 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:10:45pm

re: #20 Oblivious Troll

O'Donnell is practically fellating Zimm's new lawyer right now. I guess he's just happy that this one decided to show up.

To be fair, the guy does stirke me as a serious professional.

23 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:13:25pm

re: #19 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well, yes, but I always got a kick out of the expression, because I preferred to be barefoot when I was pregnant.

How about "Chained to the kitchen table?"

Pregnant and chained to the kitchen table??

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

24 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:15:07pm

re: #18 Daniel Ballard

I wish my mom had done that. She severely declined in the hospital after a broken leg of all things and I honored a promise to let her go by having the machines turned off. I held her hand until the monitors all showed she was gone. Long ago now but it feels like last week.

I'm glad that you could be there. My mother was holding Grandma's hand when she left us.

I'm feeling the generational chain right now because my mother is current in the kitchen with her expensive embroidery machine embroidering the bodice of The Princess's prom dress. (This is one serious dress.) My mother made my dress, Grandma made Mom's dresses.

I'm Staying Out Of Her Way, because she needs to concentrate, not chat with me.

25 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:16:02pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Oh, I see - the new post about the 2012 Best American Essays is related.

Had me for a while too. I thought I must have hit a secret key.

26 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:17:44pm

Have you guys seen this site?

[Link: www.governmentfreevjj.com...]

Government Free VJJ

So what you do, you knit or crochet a vagina and send it to your representatives with a note saying something to the effect "If we knit you a uterus, will you stay out of ours?" And ask them to support Roe v Wade, a woman's right to an abortion, birth control and family planning options.

I asked them if I could cross stitch one! LOL I have to devise a pattern, but it shouldn't be hard. Anyhoo, they said yes, but asked if I could send them a note on what I made and who I sent it to. They want to keep track.

27 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:20:17pm

re: #23 Madge

Ok yea, there's something very wrong with that. That statement can't be used just anywhere.

28 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:20:31pm

I'm seeing that there's some purge on Twitter about atheists.

Interesting that this is the same day the stalkers got booted. I wonder what initiative Twitter is starting.

29 jaunte  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:22:13pm

Anti-gay bigot Matt Barber is terribly saddened by the recent racial disharmony, and knows just who to blame.

30 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:22:30pm

re: #28 Kronocide

I'm seeing that there's some purge on Twitter about atheists.

Interesting that this is the same day the stalkers got booted. I wonder what initiative Twitter is starting.

Hmmm... were they nasty? The banned heathens?

31 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:23:08pm

re: #28 Kronocide

I think we have an answer:

The nutjobs have been reporting people they don't like. And apparently, Twitter pays attention now.

32 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:23:51pm

re: #29 jaunte

Anti-gay bigot Matt Barber is terribly saddened by the recent racial disharmony, and knows just who to blame.

Criminy, give a man a microphone and see what happens?

33 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:24:05pm

re: #30 Madge

Hmmm... were they nasty? The banned heathens?

I don't know. Some are Tweeting that it's a hoax. I wonder if a few accounts were deleted for other reasons and they perceive it as some purge.

34 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:24:12pm

re: #29 jaunte

Anti-gay bigot Matt Barber is terribly saddened by the recent racial disharmony, and knows just who to blame.

Yeah it's all their fault. It must be nice to whenever there's a problem to just blame it on Obama. Barber needs to get a clue.

35 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:24:53pm

re: #28 Kronocide

I'm seeing that there's some purge on Twitter about atheists.

Interesting that this is the same day the stalkers got booted. I wonder what initiative Twitter is starting.

I think something else is going on. Twitter is cracking down on spammers. If you exhibit spam-bot like behavior with your account it might get suspended. This has been happening with the joke Twitter accounts. Read more here.

36 jaunte  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:25:47pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

He forgot how to spell "sown."

37 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:26:50pm

re: #33 Kronocide

I don't know. Some are Tweeting that it's a hoax. I wonder if a few accounts were deleted for other reasons and they perceive it as some purge.

Well, the LGF Stalkers who were banned, as far as I know, have had complaints about them since their twitter accounts appeared and at least one of them was almost a verbatim name of Gus. And not all the LGF Stalkers have been banned, much to my personal chagrin.

38 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:35:44pm

re: #28 Kronocide

I'm seeing that there's some purge on Twitter about atheists.

Interesting that this is the same day the stalkers got booted. I wonder what initiative Twitter is starting.

Looks like a partisan pissing contest coming to fruition. When the squeaky wheel gets the grease everybody starts to squeak. Companies are only too happy to cater to the most noisy and easily offended members of society. I'd say more but I'm on hold complaining about radio shows I don't like or listen to.

39 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:35:56pm

re: #37 Madge

Well, the LGF Stalkers who were banned, as far as I know, have had complaints about them since there twitter accounts appeared and at least one of them was almost a verbatim name of Gus. And not all the LGF Stalkers have been banned, much to my personal chagrin.

No, some are still on Twitter, but those are mostly their real accounts and they do far less stalking actually on Twitter, saving it for their hate blog instead.

40 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:36:31pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Looks like a partisan pissing contest coming to fruition. When the squeaky wheel gets the grease everybody starts to squeak. Companies are only too happy to cater to the most noisy and easily offended members of society. I'd say more but I'm on hold complaining about radio shows I don't like or listen to.

Give me a break KT. That's not what's going on.

41 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:37:29pm

Well I occasionally tweet, but not that much. I look at the two mass suspensions of the Stalkers and the Atheists, and one pattern is that they were both communities of like minded people that tweeted mostly to each other and exclusively on that one subject. Twitter might be just saying to them both.. Get a room.

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:38:33pm

Quite the frog party again tonight. Last night's party lasted almost until noon. There must be 5-6 of them now competing for the same small breeding area. The males competing for space engage in these really odd growling contests.

43 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:39:54pm

re: #40 Gus

Give me a break KT. That's not what's going on.

I'd tweet you about it but Pat Robertson's followers would block my account/

44 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:40:19pm

re: #35 Gus

That's really interesting:

One challenge in battling spam is bad actors who build tools designed to distribute spam on Twitter (and the web) by making it easier for other spammers to engage in this annoying and potentially malicious activity.

This morning, we filed suit in federal court in San Francisco against five of the most aggressive tool providers and spammers. With this suit, we’re going straight to the source. By shutting down tool providers, we will prevent other spammers from having these services at their disposal. Further, we hope the suit acts as a deterrent to other spammers, demonstrating the strength of our commitment to keep them off Twitter.

I love to tweet the Sunday morning new shows with a group of folks and we have an awesome time. However, every week, without fail, I'll catch at least 3 followers, sometimes 5 or more, that are just porn. They're all women's names, like Andrea49287. They have a regular picture, usually of a pretty girl smiling, and some "words of wisdom" tweets, if any. Usually (not always) not nasty or nothing too nasty, but the URLs are always really super nasty.

Anyhoo, the sites are the same basically, in feel and style, name style, avatar style, no backgrounds (just the blue sky) and obvious they're generated from something.

45 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:40:58pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

The males competing for space engage in these really odd growling contests.

The frogosphere?

46 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:41:07pm

re: #15 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Pregnant women should be barefoot...with someone giving them a foot massage.

My feet hurt horribly back then.

My feet hurt more horribly now than they ever did when I was pregnant 9 times.

It's all the foothurt from those pregnancies.

47 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:41:25pm

Read the link I posted in #35. If you exhibit bot-like behavior you might get suspended. It's not topic specific. Twitter wouldn't be suspending atheists and all I've seen mentioned was 5 atheist accounts and they've managed to turn it into a conspiracy. Previously a stalker account was suspended but it came back. This might explain the suspensions we were seeing earlier.

48 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:42:33pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I'd tweet you about it but Pat Robertson's followers would block my account/

Well that's what I mean. So to speak.

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:42:55pm

re: #46 Learned Mother of Zion

My feet hurt more horribly now than they ever did when I was pregnant 9 times.

It's all the foothurt from those pregnancies.

We have a soaker tub. I'm not a tub person. I used it then, though--I sat on edge with my feet in cold water.

50 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:43:56pm

re: #47 Gus

Read the link I posted in #35. If you exhibit bot-like behavior you might get suspended. It's not topic specific. Twitter wouldn't be suspending atheists and all I've seen mentioned was 5 atheist accounts and they've managed to turn it into a conspiracy. Previously a stalker account was suspended but it came back. This might explain the suspensions we were seeing earlier.

Here: (How to report spam on Twitter)

What is Spam?
Here are some common tactics that spam accounts often use:
- Posting harmful links (including links to phishing or malware sites)
- Aggressive following behavior (mass following and mass un-following for attention)
- Abusing the @reply or @mention function to post unwanted messages to users
- Creating multiple accounts (either manually or using automated tools)
- Spamming trending topics to try to grab attention
- Repeatedly posting duplicate updates
- Posting links with unrelated tweets

51 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:43:56pm

re: #45 Mich-again

The frogosphere?

I strongly suspect Frogs for Prosperity of astroturfing

52 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:44:31pm

Crunchy Frog

53 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:46:20pm

2nd sale of the month for me today, and at 20% commission rate no less. Though its shaping up to be a good month for me, I need to see if I can help others out, since the group is having a slow start. But I've got some ideas i intend to bring to bear, and hopefully I can make a positive difference.

54 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:46:27pm

re: #50 Madge

Here: (How to report spam on Twitter)

What is Spam?
Here are some common tactics that spam accounts often use:
- Posting harmful links (including links to phishing or malware sites)
- Aggressive following behavior (mass following and mass un-following for attention)
- Abusing the @reply or @mention function to post unwanted messages to users
- Creating multiple accounts (either manually or using automated tools)
- Spamming trending topics to try to grab attention
- Repeatedly posting duplicate updates
- Posting links with unrelated tweets

Right. And they've gone automated now using a new algorithm. Probably some bugs to iron out. Obviously they've been suspending joke-accounts.

55 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:47:19pm

re: #54 Gus

Right. And they've gone automated now using a new algorithm. Probably some bugs to iron out. Obviously they've been suspending joke-accounts.

Well, it has cut back on the Stalkers, so that's a good thing.

56 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:50:10pm
57 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:52:27pm

There is no monster under your car's hood. It's just your spark plug wires that need to be replaced. Seriously. I'm surprised that atheists would fall for this. Twitter would never close an account for your beliefs.

58 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:53:56pm

My engine won't even turn over! I know exactly what happened. My neighbor stole my engine!... Woops. Distributor cap must have jiggled off. False alarm!

59 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:55:08pm

re: #57 Gus

There is no monster under your car's hood. It's just your spark plug wires that need to be replaced. Seriously. I'm surprised that atheists would fall for this. Twitter would never close an account for your beliefs.

Why not? They're silly enough to believe in a flying monster made of spaghetti, after all.

What?

Oh.

Never mind, I'll go back to my prayer book now.

(/// just in case.)

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:56:10pm

OK, gotta share, because this just made me sad and schmaltzy.

This afternoon, I was tutoring a boy about twelve, who comes to us for writing skills. Black kid, wearing a gray hoodie with the hood up (the kids do not like to come out of them for any reason, and while I make them when I'm in the classroom, because school rules, I let them do whatever is best for their concentration at the tutoring sessions.)

During the 'transition time', which is when we all check in and play word games or hear announcements, the leader looks over my shoulder at him and says, "Bob (not his real name), if you didn't bring enough for everyone, put those away!"

And I glance over to see him grin and put his Skittles back in his backpack.

Just about cried.

61 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 7:56:34pm

re: #57 Gus

There is no monster under your car's hood. It's just your spark plug wires that need to be replaced. Seriously. I'm surprised that atheists would fall for this. Twitter would never close an account for your beliefs.

On the Internet, everyone is a panicky bully, and a male to boot. ;)

62 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:00:32pm

re: #57 Gus

There is no monster under your car's hood. It's just your spark plug wires that need to be replaced. Seriously. I'm surprised that atheists would fall for this. Twitter would never close an account for your beliefs.

They seem to be casting a pretty wide net and if you get caught for no good reason, you can just appeal and they'll put your account back.

63 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:00:45pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

On the Internet, everyone is a panicky bully, and a male to boot. ;)

The atheists are pretty young on average. They tend to fault these kinds of things on authority rather than some stupid mistake like a spam-bot algorithm. I Tweet a lot but most of my Tweets are just links. Rarely do I spend a lot of time sending too many Tweets to others. I anyone emailed a complaint about an atheist to Twitter they'd turn around and tell you "we won't do anything so if you don't like it just block them" more or less.

64 freetoken  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:06:22pm

Quiet night it seems.

This is being typed on my 9 year old PowerBook, given that my iMac's system disk crashed this afternoon. Just wouldn't come back on (indeed the system profiler can't even find it.) Lasted about 3.5 years of daily use, which is about average for hard drives in my experience.

Sad thing is last night after backing up my tax docs to a memory stick I thought of running Time Machine (which I normally keep off and only do aperiodic backups)... alas, now I've lost data.

Computers - after using them since the 1970s I think the time has come for us to move beyond them. They break down more often than we do.

65 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:09:06pm

Thought some folks here might like this interview:

A Conversation With Trayvon Martin’s Mother

My dear friend Kathryn Milofsky arranged for me to speak with Trayvon Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, and her attorney Benjamin Crump, today just before Passover. We had invited Trayvon’s parents to our Passover seder, but as that could not be worked out I was grateful to speak to Ms. Fulton and offer her whatever words of comfort and healing I could muster

I asked her if she felt any anger to George Zimmerman:

I have no time for anger. I don’t want to grant it a place in my heart. I simply want justice. I don’t hate him and I’m not angry at him. But my son died and we deserve to know what happened. It’s not for the police to determine justice. It’s for the courts. And we’ll stand by what the court says. But that’s what I’m focused on. We want an arrest. But it’s not out of anger or hatred. I have too much to do to be sidetracked with any of that. But when your son dies and there isn’t even an arrest, it makes it so much harder.


--snip--

[Link: www.algemeiner.com...]

66 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:09:25pm

re: #63 Gus

Any news about Denver's visitor earlier?

67 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:09:51pm

re: #64 freetoken

I have two email accounts and email important stuff from one to the other just so I will always have a backup wherever and whenever I need it. I figure the Gmail server is more reliable than any piece of hardware I might own.

68 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:10:07pm

Freep is thrilled with the Zimmerman charges

To: traditional1

If you’re white, you have NO CHANCE of fairness when the Race Pimps get their way.

We NEED a CWII to get back to moral, civil, responsible behavior.

61 posted on Wed 11 Apr 2012 05:49:28 PM CDT by ROTB (FReepmail me if you want to join a team seeking the LORD for a Christian revival now in the USA.)

69 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:12:06pm

re: #66 ProGunLiberal

Any news about Denver's visitor earlier?

The tornado? None that I heard. It was just some funnel.

70 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:12:55pm

re: #68 SpaceJesus

Freep is thrilled with the Zimmerman charges

ROTB = Rotund Otuse Tempermental Buffoon

ROTB is also a Company commander in the 111th Couch Commandos: The Fat Fascists

71 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:14:37pm

Al Madrigal is doing an awesome interview about OK's personhood bill.

72 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:14:52pm

re: #69 Gus

Yep, what I was referring to.

re: #68 SpaceJesus

This is why, in the likely event of Obama winning, I expect "The Troubles" scale violence. Because I think many on the right are violent.

73 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:16:20pm

re: #71 Oblivious Troll

Al Madrigal is doing an awesome interview about OK's personhood bill.

"I'm like sperm Hitler."

This is effin fantastic.

74 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:18:41pm

re: #68 SpaceJesus

Freep is thrilled with the Zimmerman charges

OK. Deleted a couple of responses. That's one freaking bozo over there.

75 jaunte  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:22:04pm

Nice:
Twitter, Shutting down spammers

This morning, we filed suit in federal court in San Francisco against five of the most aggressive tool providers and spammers. With this suit, we’re going straight to the source. By shutting down tool providers, we will prevent other spammers from having these services at their disposal. Further, we hope the suit acts as a deterrent to other spammers, demonstrating the strength of our commitment to keep them off Twitter.

76 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:22:49pm

re: #64 freetoken

Computers - after using them since the 1970s I think the time has come for us to move beyond them. They break down more often than we do.

Install updated drivers, reboot and call me in the morning.
/

77 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:25:11pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

That was an awesome story, thanks for sharing that. I have done some volunteer teaching in Detroit elementary schools for about 10 years or so, long story ... I am always humbled how motivated and respectful the kids are. That's why I sign up for the program every year. A quick pick of this years 3rd grade class at John Trix Elementary..

So when I read stupid shit from idiots like John Derbyshire or any typical poster at FoxNews or Brietbart, it really really disgusts me.

78 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:26:28pm

Ok, this is getting embarrassing. The frog frenzy is getting insane and they're making sounds I've never heard before. I just went outside and people are congregating around the house now asking is the sounds are real. no complaints so far, just curiosity but that may change.

79 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:28:29pm

JimRob ain't havin' it:

Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.

The Free Republic mech infantry has officially mobilized their hover rounds and now it's on!

80 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:30:12pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

I'm hoping the Right Wing goes for the Constitution Party. That way, the Right is discredited for a long time to come.

81 jaunte  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:30:18pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

Homosexualist?

82 allegro  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:30:23pm

Michelle Obama is going to be on Colbert tonight. Fun.

83 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:30:59pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

JimRob ain't havin' it:

The Free Republic mech infantry has officially mobilized their hover rounds and now it's on!

It's like a scene in a 50s movie where "grandpa" gets all dressed up in his WWI uniform when there's a local fuss.

"Where are they!? Let me at 'em."

Grumpy old men.

84 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:31:02pm

re: #82 allegro

This will be interesting.

85 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:34:08pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Ok, this is getting embarrassing. The frog frenzy is getting insane and they're making sounds I've never heard before. I just went outside and people are congregating around the house now asking is the sounds are real. no complaints so far, just curiosity but that may change.

Obviously getting their freak on in new ways.

86 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:35:27pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

JimRob ain't havin' it:

The Free Republic mech infantry has officially mobilized their hover rounds and now it's on!

That read like Gabby Johnson from Blazing Saddles except I think Gabby Johnson in that movie was probably a nice guy instead of a bitter, old bigot.

87 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:35:47pm

re: #72 ProGunLiberal

Yep, what I was referring to.

re: #68 SpaceJesus

This is why, in the likely event of Obama winning, I expect "The Troubles" scale violence. Because I think many on the right are violent.

The only way that happens is if Obama wins in some genuinely questionable way (as opposed to OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!11 'QUESTIONABLE'). Many scream on the internet about Obama, but very few would actually being willing to start major trouble.

88 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:36:54pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Ok, this is getting embarrassing. The frog frenzy is getting insane and they're making sounds I've never heard before. I just went outside and people are congregating around the house now asking is the sounds are real. no complaints so far, just curiosity but that may change.

Killgore Trout, Frog Pimp.

//

89 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:38:13pm

For those looking for decent cooking shows...
Rachel Khoo - The Little Paris Kitchen


She's not an awesome line cook but does simple French cooking. No fancy sauces, simple turn and burn bistro fare. Worth stealing from torrents since the fucks in the UK won't let us legally watch here in the states. Steal this show!
90 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:39:35pm

Personally I love how bitter and disappointed the Freepers are that they're going to be stuck with Mitt. Their mythical "true conservative" doesn't and will never exist because purists like that are never happy. Sure, they have this construct of Ronald Reagan but it's just that a construct and not the reality of who President Reagan was and what he did. I wish them four more years of Obama and if they don't already, liberal representation for their states and districts.

91 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:39:41pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

No, the right has been going so steadily insane, and we have already had a number of minor incidents. The talk about guns and violence on the other side have me think that, the other side will start a bloodbath.

I no longer have faith in the other side being civilized. Individual exceptions are made (your one), but I expect the rest to go violent November 7th. I simply have no faith that they know anything else.

92 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:41:09pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

JimRob ain't havin' it:

The Free Republic mech infantry has officially mobilized their hover rounds and now it's on!

Hover APCs, you say? Gimme a hour before they get here, I've got to reconfigure my Turkina back to its primary configuration. Two LB5-X auto cannon ought to tear their airskirts to shreds, leaving them immobile and unable to do anything but shake their fists impotently.

/Battletech geekage

93 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:41:49pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Ok, this is getting embarrassing. The frog frenzy is getting insane and they're making sounds I've never heard before. I just went outside and people are congregating around the house now asking is the sounds are real. no complaints so far, just curiosity but that may change.

When I lived in the house in the Country in Indiana for a few years..Every morning at 4am there were a trillion birds singing outside my window.. I hated them with all my heart

94 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:43:08pm

re: #83 Gus

It's like a scene in a 50s movie where "grandpa" gets all dressed up in his WWI uniform when there a local fuss.

"Where are they!? Let me at 'em."

Grumpy old men.

I'm just laughing. One of the main freeper arguments is that "Romney can't win," which has every potential to become a self fulfilling prophesy. The GOP has been courting, and stoking the anger of these crusty old hateful shits for a long time while ignoring the fact that the very hatred they've inspired has rotted away at the foundational stability of their party. Not only are women running away in droves but they've turned what was a dependable (if deranged) demographic into a worm ridden, structurally unstable crutch threatening to snap under Mitt's weight.

95 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:44:06pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

Sounds like a job for this.

96 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:47:20pm

The funny thing will be if Mitt loses, they will convince themselves that the problem was that Mitt wasn't right wing enough because you know Joe Voter would have loved Santorum and his batshit stances on many issues. These guys all think that the key is emulating Reagan. What they don't get and I would compare it to liberals in the 70's is that the country has changed and that culture wars and tax cuts just aren't going to cut it.

97 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:48:35pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

And as for you, if we're facing a horde of loonies, you better get to your Black Knight. I got you the one with the pulse lasers and the hatchet, so get get right up on the nuts and show them just how 'frank' you can be.

/While I'm just fooling, the Black Knight I described does exist in Battletech. Called the BLK-9KNT, it is a design that fights best at close quarters with a smash mouth style. I chose it because it fit Goddamnfrank's style of posting (meant as a compliment).

98 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:48:38pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

JimRob ain't havin' it:

The Free Republic mech infantry has officially mobilized their hover rounds and now it's on!

Naw...It's inevitable that Romney picks some slackjawed religious neo-confederate idiot as his running mate. Once this happens, freep will vote for the ticket, all the while praying Romney dies on his first day in office.

99 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:48:51pm

Found an interesting story:

When Stand Your Ground Fails

It all began in early 2005, when McNeil and his wife, Anita, hired Brian Epp’s construction company to build a new house in Cobb County, Ga. The McNeils testified that Epp was difficult to work with, which led to heated confrontations. They eventually decided to close on the house early to rid their lives of Epp, whom they found increasingly threatening. At the closing, both parties agreed that Epp would have 10 days to complete the work, after which he would stay away from the property, but he failed to keep up his end of the bargain.

Oh, I have so much anger here. It just proves the South and Southerners in General haven't changed since the early 60's.

100 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:50:26pm

re: #74 Gus

It's pretty much Turner Diaries over at freep now.

101 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:50:33pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

The funny thing will be if Mitt loses, they will convince themselves that the problem was that Mitt wasn't right wing enough

If the medicine aint working, increase the dosage!

102 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:50:36pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

I'm just laughing. One of the main freeper arguments is that "Romney can't win," which has every potential to become a self fulfilling prophesy. The GOP has been courting, and stoking the anger of these crusty old hateful shits for a long time while ignoring the fact that the very hatred they've inspired has rotted away at the foundational stability of their party. Not only are women running away in droves but they've turned what was a dependable (if deranged) demographic into a worm ridden, structurally unstable crutch threatening to snap under Mitt's weight.

Poor ol' Mitt. I admit I kind of liked "liberal Mitt". He reminded me of Huntsman. The Rockefeller Republicans. Definitely more liberal then their southern cousins. Yet, it's almost impossible for a Republican to win a national race without appeasing the proverbial and infamous base. So, he morphed into "wingnut Mitt." Yet one moment he's eating grits and the other he's having a arugula salad. He confuses the shit out of the well known internet wingnuts such as the Freepers. They're heartbroken since they wanted to see Jim DeMint get the nomination.

Myself I would have preferred a real Rockefeller Republican even if it was just to listen to since it would be easier to my ears.

And now? He trots out Ann Romney. She just got a Twitter account started. Her first Tweet?

103 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:50:46pm

re: #68 SpaceJesus

Freep is thrilled with the Zimmerman charges

Definitely.

They're completely rational. They're also supportive of the prosecutor.

The "reasonable conservative" readers at NRO and Dim Hoft's idiot brigade are happy too.

104 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:50:52pm

re: #100 SpaceJesus

It's pretty much Turner Diaries over at freep now.

A pity Party.

105 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:51:08pm

re: #100 SpaceJesus

It's pretty much Turner Diaries over at freep now.

Yeah. They seem to be getting ready for a suicide mission or something.

106 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:51:15pm

re: #100 SpaceJesus

Which is why I am so worried about after November.

107 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:51:43pm

Freeper Akbar!

With my apologies to Muslims.

108 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:52:07pm

re: #98 SpaceJesus

Naw...It's inevitable that Romney picks some slackjawed religious neo-confederate idiot as his running mate. Once this happens, freep will vote for the ticket, all the while praying Romney dies on his first day in office.

Gonna be like McCain and Palin all over again. Not that I feel bad for Romney. He's chosen to destroy whatever credibility he had by being a political coward and a jerk.

109 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:52:26pm

re: #107 Gus

None taken. I understand what your intent was, and you are right. These nuts sound like the Salafis and Qutbists.

110 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:52:38pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

JimRob ain't havin' it:

The Free Republic mech infantry has officially mobilized their hover rounds and now it's on!

He was absolutely hilarious the other day when Santorum dropped out. The guy was practically spitting nails through his monitor.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:52:57pm

re: #102 Gus

Poor ol' Mitt. I admit I kind of liked "liberal Mitt". He reminded me of Huntsman. The Rockefeller Republicans. Definitely more liberal then their southern cousins. Yet, it's almost impossible for a Republican to win a national race without appeasing the proverbial and infamous base. So, he morphed into "wingnut Mitt." Yet one moment he's eating grits and the other he's having a arugula salad. He confuses the shit out of the well known internet wingnuts such as the Freepers. They're heartbroken since they wanted to see Jim DeMint get the nomination.

Myself I would have preferred a real Rockefeller Republican even if it was just to listen to since it would be easier to my ears.

And now? He trots out Ann Romney. She just got a Twitter account started. Her first Tweet?

Oh for Chrissakes, Ann. Yes, raising five boys is hard work. It's even harder if you're working full time, or poor, or both. I'm glad you had a free choice. Most women in this country don't.

For once, honey, could you try talking about how lucky you've been, rather than how good you are?

112 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:53:00pm

Even when I was going through my wingnut lite stage I always thought they were a strange lot. They kind of struck me like what Radar would be like if he gained weight and turned into a wingnut upon retirement.

113 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:53:38pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

The only way that happens is if Obama wins in some genuinely questionable way (as opposed to OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!11 'QUESTIONABLE'). Many scream on the internet about Obama, but very few would actually being willing to start major trouble.

I pray you are correct, though in my darker moments I fear for something akin to PGL's fears as well. There are too many out there that fetishize Pinochet and Franco to be blase' about them.

114 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:54:10pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh for Chrissakes, Ann. Yes, raising five boys is hard work. It's even harder if you're working full time, or poor, or both. I'm glad you had a free choice. Most women in this country don't.

For once, honey, could you try talking about how lucky you've been, rather than how good you are?

Seriously. Mitt's worth about 200 million. We can call 1/5th of a billion.

115 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:55:39pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh for Chrissakes, Ann. Yes, raising five boys is hard work. It's even harder if you're working full time, or poor, or both. I'm glad you had a free choice. Most women in this country don't.

For once, honey, could you try talking about how lucky you've been, rather than how good you are?

My sister has five boys.

She has a blog now about...oh...fart jokes...cleanliness...it's the Wild Wild West over there. Trust me. You don't want to see the bathrooms.

116 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:56:35pm

re: #113 William Barnett-Lewis

I assume until proven otherwise that the the other side will be violent. Between the fire-bombing last week, the Right-Wing Poison surrounding the Trayvon Martin story, and the even the 7/22 attacks, I simply believe the right-wing, with some holdouts, has degenerated into a barbarian horde.

117 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:56:47pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Hover APCs, you say? Gimme a hour before they get here, I've got to reconfigure my Turkina back to its primary configuration. Two LB5-X auto cannon ought to tear their airskirts to shreds, leaving them immobile and unable to do anything but shake their fists impotently.

/Battletech geekage

Hover? Heck with that. Get a company of TL14 Intrepida Grav Tanks...

Image: Trepida.jpg

(Traveller. The real SFRPG.)

118 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:59:25pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

Found an interesting story:

When Stand Your Ground Fails

Oh, I have so much anger here. It just proves the South and Southerners in General haven't changed since the early 60's.

That article is odd. It gives the McNeils' side of the story, and notes McNeil was convicted of murder, but it neither explains the course of his trial nor the grounds of his appeal to the Georgia Supreme Court nor the reasoning the majority of the states justices used in upholding his conviction. Those seem crucial facts, and I argue one cannot draw a honest conclusion about the case without them.

119 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:59:28pm

If you want a few laughs and a dose of schadenfreude, here are JimRob's recent posts at Free Republic all in one place:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

He's totally rational. Heh.

120 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 8:59:31pm

re: #114 Gus

Seriously. Mitt's worth about 200 million. We can call 1/5th of a billion.

Class warfare.///

121 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:01:40pm

I look at this in the context of Mitt:

• He's running for president.
• He makes Ann get a Twitter account.
• She talks about how hard it was to be a stay at home mom.
• For five kids. What were their ages then?
• Mitt, wants to overturn Roe v. Wade.
• I have to take him at his word.
• He also wants to overturn Title X.
• So I think.
• Stay at home mom and married.
• Husband makes 20,000 a year.
• 5 kids.
• Due to the GOP platform they can't get an abortion as needed.
• They also don't qualify for contraception.
• 5 kids; 20 grand a year; and a GOP platform.

122 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:01:51pm

re: #113 William Barnett-Lewis

I pray you are correct, though in my darker moments I fear for something akin to PGL's fears as well. There are too many out there that fetishize Pinochet and Franco to be blase' about them.

Who, Dorkus and his Stalkers? They're all hat and no cattle. Bunch of Internet Tough Guys.

123 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:02:04pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

You might need to control, the SPRING effect on your froggies?....

124 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:03:15pm

re: #123 Dancing along the light of day

Or reduce their numbers.

Capture some and sell them as pets? I know some people like pet frogs, and you get money too!

125 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:03:51pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Class warfare.///

LOL Right. That's not class warfare. That's reality. If some woman came up to me who I knew was worth 200 million and started telling me about how HARD it is to be a stay at home mom for 5 kids. Well, I'd get a chuckle out of that. I'm sure it's as hard as it could get. But the choices are really easy.

126 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:03:57pm

I think from what I've seen of Romney so far, by far his most stupid comment was the firing people joke. I am not dense. I understand bosses have to fire people but to say you like to fire people. That's not the attitude you want from the guy in charge of setting economic policy for the country. Romney's problem isn't that he's wealthy. He could be a mere millionaire and his problem would still be that he thinks that wealth is directly correlated with work ethic. It's a very elitist way of looking at the American worker from a man who is clearly not fit to be president. Hell I wouldn't even want him running a company. He's not a dumb man as far as business is concerned but he only seems to care about what's good for Mitt.

127 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:05:48pm

re: #125 Gus

LOL Right. That's not class warfare. That's reality. If some woman came up to me who I knew was worth 200 million and started telling me about how HARD it is to be a stay at home mom for 5 kids. Well, I'd get a chuckle out of that. I'm sure it's as hard as it could get. But the choices are really easy.

Yeah, I know. I know they're trying to "personalize" the Romneys through this but it would just be nice if Mitt and his family were honest about how fortunate they are compared to pun intended the other 99% of us. I don't care that he's wealthy but I have a big problem with his patronizing attitude.

128 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:07:16pm

Man. I used to have to commute 50 miles each way in the back of a Bentley limo everyday. That sucked.

129 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:07:22pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

But considering Romney's background, his firing people comment makes perfect sense.

He's a person whose company dismantled other companies, and sold off the parts. He understands nothing about job creation, only job destruction. He practiced vulture capitalism.

This is why Romney wanted to see GM and Chrysler go under. Because all he sees is money, not people.

130 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:10:58pm

If America voted had to vote right now on which Romney was best suited to be President, Mitt would get a 1/3, Ann would get 1/3 and Seamus the dog in a cage on the roof would get 1/3.

131 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:12:11pm

re: #129 ProGunLiberal

But considering Romney's background, his firing people comment makes perfect sense.

He's a person whose company dismantled other companies, and sold off the parts. He understands nothing about job creation, only job destruction. He practiced vulture capitalism.

This is why Romney wanted to see GM and Chrysler go under. Because all he sees is money, not people.

Oh I know it makes perfect sense considering Mitt's background but I'm saying that statements like that show what a crappy leader he is. You want someone who prides themselves as a builder of dreams not a destroyer of dreams. Mitt has zero idea what it's like to go home and have to search for work. He's a smug, self-entitled jerk who as you've said only sees money and doesn't see people. As I've said, I've never really been too impressed with his business background either. What he did at Bain wasn't impressive and he shows time and time again that he cares more about platitudes than offering up new ideas. That people actually see this guy as presidential astounds me.

132 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:12:38pm

re: #130 Mich-again

I think it would be 25-25-50 in favor of poor Seamus.

133 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:12:45pm

re: #130 Mich-again

If America voted had to vote right now on which Romney was best suited to be President, Mitt would get a 1/3, Ann would get 1/3 and Seamus the dog in a cage on the roof would get 1/3.

Don't blame me, I voted for Seamus.

134 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:18:28pm

Brutal I tells ya! Brutal! ;)

135 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:18:35pm

re: #103 Lidane

Definitely.

They're completely rational. They're also supportive of the prosecutor.

The "reasonable conservative" readers at NRO and Dim Hoft's idiot brigade are happy too.

This is not surprising. These people liked Stand Your Ground laws because they thought it meant they could shoo any black person that scared them (all black people) and not go to jail for it. They thought they had a Shoot Blacks and Get Out of Jail Free card. If Zimmerman is convicted this means they don't get to shoot scary blacks (all of them) and may end up om jail with a bunch of really scary blacks if they do. First they lost their right to not have a black president and now they may have lost the right to shoot black people. This is a very sad day for them.

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:19:26pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Who, Dorkus and his Stalkers? They're all hat and no cattle. Bunch of Internet Tough Guys.

Take a look at the SPLC's pages on north-east Wisconsin for example. Lot's of freakazoids up there, alas. Some I know of that aren't on their radar as well. We've had a couple of areas up there, township sized, that think they're sovereign nations though no reason to push the issue has come up. When it does there will be casualty lists in the dozens to hundreds.

137 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:21:42pm

I wish I could be disturbed about Zimmerman being made into a hero but that woman and gang of thugs who killed that man and his daughter in Arizona were made into heroes too. What we have here is a problem in that many can't see humanity. And it shows everytime I hear an African American compared to an animal or illegal aliens compared to parasites. These are human beings.

138 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:23:47pm

This DoJ suit against Apple could get interesting...

139 CuriousLurker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:26:20pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

JimRob ain't havin' it:

The Free Republic mech infantry has officially mobilized their hover rounds and now it's on!

*snort* It's all so Calvin and Hobbesian, unfortunately minus the cuteness factor.

140 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:27:14pm

Willard is a shameless blatant liar.

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

“You look at the experience of this administration and the last three and a half years and you can see that something is seriously wrong with his perspective,” said Romney. “Not only have 92 percent of the job losses been among women, but you’ve also seen 800,000 people overall lose jobs, home values decline, the median income of Americans in the last four years has dropped by 10 percent.”

“92 percent of the – of the people who have lost jobs on Barack Obama’s watch have been women,” Steve Doocy asked betraying his level of shock upon returning from the clip.

“Big seems…” said Gretchen Carlson.

“Impossible,” responded fill-in host Eric Bolling. “Impossible,” Carlson agreed.

Not even the FOX people could spin that bullshit.

141 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:28:59pm

re: #140 moderatelyradicalliberal

Willard is a shameless blatant liar.

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

Not even the FOX people could spin that bullshit.

Remember folks, Romney is the "serious" Republican contender for president. But I wonder what his people were thinking when they gave him that information. I mean I know they know as do I that Mitt's desperate to be president but that's a really bad gaffe.

142 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:29:11pm

re: #140 moderatelyradicalliberal

“Not only have 92 percent of the job losses been among women,

That was wishful thinking on Mitt's part, if and when the GOP gets to totally eliminate public schools.

143 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:31:45pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Remember folks, Romney is the "serious" Republican contender for president. But I wonder what his people were thinking when they gave him that information. I mean I know they know as do I that Mitt's desperate to be president but that's a really bad gaffe.

It's not a gaffe, it's just Willard being Willard. He's a bullshitter, a panderer and a fraud. He'll say anything because he has no core. This is the same man who said the president spent too much time at Harvard when he spent more time at Harvard then the president. The clown car made him look good, but he really is awful.

144 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:32:04pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

*snort* It's all so Calvin and Hobbesian, unfortunately minus the cuteness factor.

...

Heck with you traitor! We're going to war. There are no atheists in foxholes! Pray for our Lord and God and country for all those who disagree with us are not true PATRIOTS Freedom fries and the Gates of Vienna as we are...

[Sound of needle scratching across record.]

145 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:33:49pm

re: #143 moderatelyradicalliberal

It's not a gaffe, it's just Willard being Willard. He's a bullshitter, a panderer and a fraud. He'll say anything because he has no core. This is the same man who said the president spent too much time at Harvard when he spent more time at Harvard then the president. The clown car made him look good, but he really is awful.

Forgot about the Harvard quip. Fraud, I really like that term for him. I think he'll be either more tolerable or worse if Obama beats him. I've heard about some politicians getting better once they realize they won't be president but Mitt's a speical kind of bullshitter and fraud, he may not take rejection too well.

146 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:36:13pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Forgot about the Harvard quip. Fraud, I really like that term for him. I think he'll be either more tolerable or worse if Obama beats him. I've heard about some politicians getting better once they realize they won't be president but Mitt's a speical kind of bullshitter and fraud, he may not take rejection too well.

I'm sure he'll sulk a bit, but it's the rabid base of this party that I'm worried about. They don't take losing well at all.

147 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:38:15pm

re: #146 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm sure he'll sulk a bit, but it's the rabid base of this party that I'm worried about. They don't take losing well at all.

They're going to be convinced it's fraud whether Obama wins by one state or twenty. I'm sure ACORN, the Black Panthers, etc will be cited along with other crazy bs.

148 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:38:28pm

re: #99 ProGunLiberal

I took a look at what the Georgia State Supreme Court's majority wrote in upholding McNeil's conviction. Here's their reasoning, which does appear quite sound:

1. Viewed in the light most favorable to the verdict, the evidence reveals that, in September 2005, McNeil contracted to buy an unfinished home from Epp Elevations, a small building company owned by Epp and his wife.   On December 6, 2005, Epp went to McNeil's house to complete required work.   McNeil's son, La'Ron, was home and called McNeil to report that someone was in the backyard.   Believing that Epp was a trespasser, La'Ron confronted Epp and asked him to leave, and an argument ensued during which Epp pointed a knife at La'Ron.   La'Ron called McNeil to report this incident to him.

In response, McNeil headed home in his car.   On the way back he reported to an emergency 911 operator that a man was on his property and had pulled a knife on his son.   Moments later, McNeil told the operator, “I'm at the property now ․ and there's the builder and I may get ready to whip his ass right now.   So get the cops here now.”   As McNeil was pulling into his driveway, he retrieved an automatic handgun from his car's glove compartment, removed it from its case, and loaded it with ammunition.

An eyewitness who was across the street heard McNeil and Epp arguing loudly.   A few minutes later he heard a loud pop and saw smoke and McNeil pointing his hand toward the ground and stepping backward.   Epp was in the yard between McNeil's house and the one next door and walking toward McNeil.   McNeil continued to back up with his hands pointed toward the ground and said “Back up, I am not playing with you.”   Epp increased his speed toward McNeil and McNeil raised his gun and fired at Epp's head.   Epp's hands were at his sides, and the eyewitness did not see him raise his hands or see any weapons in his hands.

Later, an officer arrived at the scene and found Epp on the ground with a fatal gunshot wound to the head.   McNeil informed the officer that Epp had pulled a knife on him and then McNeil shot him.   The officer saw a knife clipped inside the right hand pocket of Epp's pants.   A forensic investigator from the Cobb County Medical Examiner's Office also responded to the scene and noticed that the knife in Epp's pocket was folded.   Dr. Brian Frist, the Chief Medical Examiner of Cobb County, later determined that the abrasions on Epp's face indicated that he had been shot at a distance of less than three feet.   There were no abrasions on Epp's hands to indicate that he had raised his hands to defend himself.

I'll post the last critical bit in the next post.

149 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:42:13pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Forgot about the Harvard quip. Fraud, I really like that term for him. I think he'll be either more tolerable or worse if Obama beats him. I've heard about some politicians getting better once they realize they won't be president but Mitt's a speical kind of bullshitter and fraud, he may not take rejection too well.

He's got a chip on his shoulder because he thinks daddy wasn't dealt with fairly (he wasn't but his chip won't help. Religious hate doesn't work that way.)

150 allegro  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:43:59pm

re: #149 William Barnett-Lewis

He's got a chip on his shoulder because he thinks daddy wasn't dealt with fairly (he wasn't but his chip won't help. Religious hate doesn't work that way.)

I think the source of his chip is that he has never been, nor will he ever be, the man his father was.

151 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:44:09pm

re: #149 William Barnett-Lewis

He's got a chip on his shoulder because he thinks daddy wasn't dealt with fairly (he wasn't but his chip won't help. Religious hate doesn't work that way.)

What did his Dad in when he ran in '68? I've heard about the infamous brainwashing comment. I actually respect his Dad some from the little I know about him. At least, I respect him more so than Mitt since I doubt Mitt would have had the courage to support MLK if he had been in office at that time.

152 CuriousLurker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:44:31pm

re: #144 Gus

...

[Sound of needle scratching across record.]

[Follwed by knock on door...] "Harold? Haaarolld! What are you doing in there?? You have visitors, put down the plastic gun and wipe the Cheeto dust off your cammies."

Then it turns into a Cheech & Chong skit featuring Sergeant Stadanko & Sister Mary Elephant...lol

153 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:44:51pm

The funnest thing about trolling the stalkers is when they totally miss the sarcasm and irony and pile in supporting you.

154 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:45:16pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

I'll post the last critical bit in the next post.

SNIP: There were no abrasions on Epp's hands to indicate that he had raised his hands to defend himself.

IF there is more than that alone, the dude needs a cell on the row, you know what I mean?

155 freetoken  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:52:26pm

Now I get to work through a thousand emails from the past couple of months... sigh. Someone remind me to do weekly backups.

156 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:52:33pm

Continued from #148:

The evidence was sufficient to enable a rational trier of fact to find McNeil guilty of all of the crimes for which he was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt.  Jackson v. Virginia, 443 U.S. 307, 99 S.Ct. 2781, 61 L.Ed.2d 560 (1979).   See also, e.g., Jolley v. State, 254 Ga. 624(1), 331 S.E.2d 516 (1985) (despite claim of self-defense, evidence supported felony murder conviction based on aggravated assault where defendant retrieved pistol in anticipation of confrontation and told victim to leave before shooting him).   Indeed, from the evidence presented, the jury was authorized to conclude that McNeil decided to confront Epp with the specific purpose of “whip[ping] his ass” before Epp even knew that McNeil was on his way to the scene;  that McNeil had time to stop in his driveway, retrieve a gun from his glove compartment, take the gun out of its case, load it, exit from his car, and “argue loudly” with Epp for a few minutes before firing the first shot at him;  and that McNeil lied to police when he claimed that he had shot Epp because Epp had “pulled a knife on him” during the confrontation (because other eyewitness testimony showed that Epp had no weapon in his hands at the time of the shooting, and further testimony showed that Epp's knife was folded and in his pocket after he had been shot).   Because “[w]itness credibility is a matter to be determined by the jury, as is the question of justification;  ․ the jury was free to accept the evidence that the shooting[ ][was] not done in self-defense ․ and to reject any evidence offered by [McNeil] in support of a justification defense.”  (Citation omitted.) Harris v. State, 279 Ga. 304, 306(2), 612 S.E.2d 789 (2005).   As sufficient evidence existed to support the conclusion that McNeil committed the offense of aggravated assault, and felony murder predicated on that aggravated assault, there is no basis for overturning the jury's verdict here.2

Note two critical points missing from the Salon article:

A. The Salon article did not mention McNeil saying to the 911 operator “I'm at the property now ․ and there's the builder and I may get ready to whip his ass right now.   So get the cops here now.” (bolding mine) That sort of confrontational talk can and does get used to contradict claims of self-defense by potentially showing the defendant 'went looking for a fight'. A claim of self-defense is undermined if it can be shown the defendant went into the situation with hostile intent.

2. The article does not mention that McNeil said Epps had pulled a knife on him, which Epps had not in fact done. Even though Epps had pulled a knife on McNeil's son, the fact that Epps had not drawn the knife in his pocket when he was shot and that McNeil initially claimed he had served to undermine McNeil's credibility. People are convicted sometimes because they gave police statements immediately after a fight or a shooting and the facts later were found to be different from that statement. This is why defense lawyers and self-defense experts always recommend that if you have to defend yourself you should talk to a lawyer before giving a statement to the police.

157 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 9:54:09pm

re: #153 Kragar

The funnest thing about trolling the stalkers is when they totally miss the sarcasm and irony and pile in supporting you.

Cato and Walter never scared me. Is that what they want? For me to be scared about them? I really can't. They never scared me. I never even knew half of these people.

159 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:03:15pm

re: #157 Gus

Cato and Walter never scared me. Is that what they want? For me to be scared about them? I really can't. They never scared me. I never even knew half of these people.

I blame it all on their tiny, tiny penises.
/

160 Gus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:09:42pm

re: #159 Kragar

I blame it all on their tiny, tiny penises.
/

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:12:21pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I know. I know they're trying to "personalize" the Romneys through this but it would just be nice if Mitt and his family were honest about how fortunate they are compared to pun intended the other 99% of us. I don't care that he's wealthy but I have a big problem with his patronizing attitude.

They can have all the money they can legally rake in. It's that they keep acting like they don't know that a lot of people don't have as much as they need that makes me itchy.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:12:43pm

re: #130 Mich-again

If America voted had to vote right now on which Romney was best suited to be President, Mitt would get a 1/3, Ann would get 1/3 and Seamus the dog in a cage on the roof would get 1/3.

I would totally vote for Seamus.

163 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:14:37pm

Goodnight, all.

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:16:34pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

I wish I could be disturbed about Zimmerman being made into a hero but that woman and gang of thugs who killed that man and his daughter in Arizona were made into heroes too. What we have here is a problem in that many can't see humanity. And it shows everytime I hear an African American compared to an animal or illegal aliens compared to parasites. These are human beings.

I didn't think that as many people supported Shawna Whatsterbucket and her posse, though. This seems more widespread. Maybe it's just me paying attention.

What's making me MAAANIC is that there seems to be a trend on some of the less savory comment threads of getting all excited about 'blacks' being 3/5 of a person.

First, they seem unclear that the '3/5' referred to unfree persons, not persons of any particular race. Then, they appear unclear about why it appears in the Constitution, or what the point of it was.

I DESPISE these people.

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:17:54pm

re: #157 Gus

Cato and Walter never scared me. Is that what they want? For me to be scared about them? I really can't. They never scared me. I never even knew half of these people.

Cato is not over there, that I'm aware of. The guy who claimed to be him was lyin'.

166 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:18:51pm

re: #160 Gus

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167 Lidane  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:19:40pm

re: #130 Mich-again

If America voted had to vote right now on which Romney was best suited to be President, Mitt would get a 1/3, Ann would get 1/3 and Seamus the dog in a cage on the roof would get 1/3.

Totally voting for the dog. He's the best Romney for the job.

168 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:22:24pm

re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist

I didn't think that as many people supported Shawna Whatsterbucket and her posse, though. This seems more widespread. Maybe it's just me paying attention.

What's making me MAAANIC is that there seems to be a trend on some of the less savory comment threads of getting all excited about 'blacks' being 3/5 of a person.

First, they seem unclear that the '3/5' referred to unfree persons, not persons of any particular race. Then, they appear unclear about why it appears in the Constitution, or what the point of it was.

I DESPISE these people.

Yeah, you're right. There wasn't as much support for her as there has been Zimmerman. And right about the 3/5's rule too.

169 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:22:47pm

re: #157 Gus

Cato and Walter never scared me. Is that what they want? For me to be scared about them? I really can't. They never scared me. I never even knew half of these people.

I miss Cato. Walter? Not so much.

170 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 10:24:36pm

whatever happened to ihaveacrushonsarahpalin

171 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 11:12:10pm

Explosions In The Sky - The Only Moment We Were Alone

172 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 11:13:36pm

Quiz for all of you:

What three nations conducted more than 200 Nuclear Tests/Blasts between 1945-1998.

What country made up an absolute majority of these tests?

173 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 11:15:23pm

re: #172 ProGunLiberal

Quiz for all of you:

What three nations conducted more than 200 Nuclear Tests/Blasts between 1945-1998.

What country made up an absolute majority of these tests?

USA, Russia and I'm going to go with... France? And I do recall reading that France blew up an obscene amount.

174 Four More Tears  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 11:17:39pm

re: #173 Oblivious Troll

USA, Russia and I'm going to go with... France? And I do recall reading that France blew up an obscene amount.

Ah. I see we're #1 with a bullet.

Yay.

175 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 11:17:43pm

re: #173 Oblivious Troll

Yes, you are right.

Britain did 45
PRC did 42
India 4
Pakistan 2

France? 210

The USSR 715, and the US 1032.

France is a little punchy, aren't they?

Video I learned it from:

[Link: www.ctbto.org...]

176 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 11:45:01pm

re: #172 ProGunLiberal

Quiz for all of you:

What three nations conducted more than 200 Nuclear Tests/Blasts between 1945-1998.

What country made up an absolute majority of these tests?

OK, now name the 3 basic types of nuclear bursts.

177 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 11:47:44pm

re: #176 Kragar

OK, now name the 3 basic types of nuclear bursts.

Surface, air, and high-altitude.

178 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 11:48:53pm

re: #177 talon_262

Surface, air, and high-altitude.

In NBC school, we were taught air, surface and subsurface.

179 TedStriker  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 11:50:07pm

re: #178 Kragar

In NBC school, we were taught air, surface and subsurface.

OK...I guess "air" would somewhat cover high-altitude too.

180 Kragar  Wed, Apr 11, 2012 11:59:25pm

re: #179 talon_262

OK...I guess "air" would somewhat cover high-altitude too.

Yeah, an airburst blankets a target with radiation and heat.

Surface blast maximizes explosive damage via the shockwave.

Subsurface kicks up extra soil for more fallout.

A standard MIRV would have its warheads explode in a combination of the 3 types to maximize all three effects.

One of the joys about having a high GT score was I got sent to a bunch of secondary schools while I was in. NBC school still wakes me up sometime. Its an extremely brutal, effective school of warfare which is why every sane nation has severe limitations on its implementation. You don't want to see what chemical weapons can do.

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 12:25:39am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Forgot about the Harvard quip. Fraud, I really like that term for him. I think he'll be either more tolerable or worse if Obama beats him. I've heard about some politicians getting better once they realize they won't be president but Mitt's a special kind of bullshitter and fraud, he may not take rejection too well.

He and Newt will go into orbit around each other and become a new form of binary politician. Smiling faces in front of a hollow center pointing in every direction and changing phases from liberal to conservative, man of the people to business leader, etc. etc. depending on the current orientation.
//

182 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 12:34:46am

Good morning Lizardia from the graveyard shift.

Brought in my ipod today, so I have music at least (currently playing Peter Gabriel's _San Jacinto_.)

Last day on graveyard today (Yay). Off tomorrow and go into limited (come in at 4am) graveyard shift next week.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 12:41:03am

re: #180 Kragar

Yeah, an airburst blankets a target with radiation and heat.

Surface blast maximizes explosive damage via the shockwave.

Subsurface kicks up extra soil for more fallout.

A standard MIRV would have its warheads explode in a combination of the 3 types to maximize all three effects.

One of the joys about having a high GT score was I got sent to a bunch of secondary schools while I was in. NBC school still wakes me up sometime. Its an extremely brutal, effective school of warfare which is why every sane nation has severe limitations on its implementation. You don't want to see what chemical weapons can do.

Beyond a bit of light reading I think the main places I've seen NBC effects discussed is various wargames set in the modern (50s - 90s) age that generally were simulations of NATO-Warsaw Pact going at it in Europe.

With the Warsaw Pact more likely to start chemical warfare in order to mess with NATO airbases and expected air superiority, but NATO more likely to resort to tactical nuclear weapons in order to offset Warsaw Pact armor superiority. And generally one leading to the other, and hopefully the latter not leading to a full-blown exchange.

Very little discussion other than in passing about what all this does to the civilian population in West Germany and downwind from there. Luckily the political leaders in that time period on both sides never saw sufficient necessity to ever bring one of these scenarios into being.

184 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 12:59:33am

Sadly with my system disk failure I lost many links, music links amongst them.

However, I still have a few moldy oldies around:

185 researchok  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 1:20:52am

re: #184 freetoken

Damn.

Well, I'm not giving up my AM coffee.

Seriously, I hope you can recover all that stuff.

186 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:02:14am

re: #185 researchok

Not able to recover anything from the past two months, save for the email which is kept on a server.

187 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:06:08am

These people couldn't care less about hard drive crashes:

An Island’s Other Fear — a Tsunami of Civilization

Had a tsunami developed in the Indian Ocean after a massive earthquake on Wednesday, the world’s most isolated people would have been at serious risk. Perhaps, even, at risk of extinction.

The small tribe on North Sentinel Island continues to resist all contact with the outside world — just as they have for the past 60,000 years. They drive off fishermen, journalists, anthropologists and government officials with their spears and arrows. Their low-lying island, heavily forested and protected by a barrier of coral reefs, is roughly the size of Manhattan.

The tsunami warning on Wednesday was a false alarm. In 2004, however, it was initially feared that North Sentinel had been swamped by the killer tsunami that devastated the nearby Andaman and Nicobar Islands. When the Indian Coast Guard sent a helicopter to check on the Sentinelese, a single naked bowman emerged from the forest and fired arrows to drive the chopper away.

The Sentinelese had survived.

There are very few so-called “uncontacted tribes” still left — notably in the Amazon along the Brazil-Peruvian border and in the rainforests of West Papua.

“Perhaps no people on Earth remain more genuinely isolated than the Sentinelese,” according to Survival International, a group that advocates for the rights and privacy of aboriginal, endangered and uncontacted peoples.

[...]

Fascinating reading.

Here's one of the videos mentioned in the write-up:

188 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:10:15am

The thing I question about that article is this:

The small tribe on North Sentinel Island continues to resist all contact with the outside world — just as they have for the past 60,000 years

Not only does it not make sense (i.e., what would have been the "outside world" 60,000 years ago?) but there is no evidence for it.

If genetic data could be collected we could determine if some of the Andaman island inhabitants are their close relatives, which is likely. Similarly small populations of people in the region have very low fertility, probably due to inbreeding over the centuries. As such, it is highly unlikely the Sentinelese have been there for longer than several centuries.

189 researchok  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:13:31am

re: #186 freetoken

Your stale of woe is a great ad for online backup services.

Or flash drives.

190 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:14:53am

re: #189 researchok

I kept my tax stuff on a flash drive, which I need to finish. But all my browser links and downloaded material from the last couple of months are gone.

191 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:16:52am
192 researchok  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:17:33am

re: #188 freetoken

The thing I question about that article is this:

Not only does it not make sense (i.e., what would have been the "outside world" 60,000 years ago?) but there is no evidence for it.

If genetic data could be collected we could determine if some of the Andaman island inhabitants are their close relatives, which is likely. Similarly small populations of people in the region have very low fertility, probably due to inbreeding over the centuries. As such, it is highly unlikely the Sentinelese have been there for longer than several centuries.

Yeah, a genetic inquiry would be invaluable.

You have to wonder about resistance to diseases, etc., too.

The geneticists would have a field day.

193 researchok  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:18:14am

re: #190 freetoken

That sucks.

You had some great music links for sure.

194 researchok  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:22:08am

re: #191 freetoken

Abrupt end!

195 researchok  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 2:25:16am

Dragons calling- later, all

196 Kragar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 3:21:47am

re: #195 researchok

Dragons calling- later, all

Wait till they inhale, then shoot for the mouth and duck.

197 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 3:25:26am

re: #196 Kragar

Wait till they inhale, then shoot for the mouth and duck.

I heard they were also vulnerable to having thermite or phosphorus grenades tossed down their throats. Though I expect a M2 HMG would also not make them very happy either. (Not that there are many creatures that would *be* happy with having an M2 fired at them.)

198 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 3:32:03am

re: #194 researchok

Abrupt end!

It's part of a much larger work.

199 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 3:32:54am

Well, taxes are finished and paid.

I feel so much better being freed of the burden of carrying all that money.

200 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 3:35:09am

In fact, I feel so much better I'll follow up that last music link with the next movement (you can here the guitar transitioning) of that piece by Saint-Preux:

201 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 3:47:07am

Hmm...

Listening to some nice dubro work right now. (Alison Krauss and Union Station - which means it's Jerry Douglas work.)

Which segues into Elvis Costello. O_o

202 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 5:36:45am

Morning Lizardim from the cold and clear wild north country. At least we managed to break out of the snap freeze, but there's no telling what kind of damage was done. We'll find out by the end of the month what this little Canadian incursion has done, though. Glad to see that Zimmerman is in custody and that formal charges are being filed; hopefully they have enough evidence to make them stick.

203 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:27:28am
MONTEREY, Calif.—When federal prosecutors can't muster enough evidence to bring charges against a person suspected of a crime, they can still use a controversial law to get a conviction anyway: They charge the person with lying.

The law against lying—known in legal circles simply as "1001"—makes it a crime to knowingly make a material false statement in matters of federal jurisdiction. Critics across the political spectrum argue that 1001, a widely used statute in the federal criminal code, is open to abuse. It is charged hundreds of times a year, according to court records and interviews with lawyers and legal scholars.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

204 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:32:53am

re: #203 Johnny Derp

Another reason why you should never talk to the police or federal agents without counsel present.

Which kind of sucks, but as long as they're willing to charge with shit like that, you have to make sure you're covered.

205 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:33:43am

re: #203 Johnny Derp

Never, ever, speak to the police/investigators.....

Image: 220px-Martha_Stewart_2011_Shankbone.JPG

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206 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:34:23am

re: #200 freetoken

Thanks much that is just what I wanted to hear this morning. Cranked up in my living room.

207 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:35:41am

re: #204 Obdicut

A lesson someone should have told Zimmerman. That idiot talked to police for hours the night of the shooting, including letting them give him a voice stress test, guided them on a walk-thru the next day, and then had the bright idea to keep in touch with the prosecutors.

208 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:39:41am

re: #204 Obdicut

Ya can't persuade with your mouth shut, hands in pockets is a crappy way to box, and yup have your attorney present for any and all questioning of you. No sense entering any conflict "unarmed" so to speak.

My instructor always told me to refuse to answer any questions in the immediate aftermath of a real physical conflict or gun fight. Obdi, you might be familiar already but when one reads up on the effects on adrenaline on memory you see what happens. It's very frightening how a person trying to honestly cooperate gets details dead wrong.

209 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:40:37am

re: #207 RogueOne

Well, I'm all for guilty assholes talking to the police at length.

I was just talking to a cop friend about confession getting-- from actually guilty folk. He said that basically:

Ordinary citizens (who have committed a one-time crime) almost always confess within the first 24 hours because it's all weird and stressful to them and they want to just get it off their chest.

Criminals will normally confess if you either sympathize with them or pretend to be impressed by them. Yelling at them is not nearly as effective. A lot of cops can't stomach pretending to be friendly with rapists and face-stabbers, so they wind up yelling and get nowhere.

Smart criminals just say "I want a lawyer" and nothing else, ever.

But so does anyone with resources who knows how the system operates.

He would contact a lawyer immediately if ever arrested, and he's told his kids to.

210 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:41:16am

re: #207 RogueOne

give him a voice stress test

How valid is this?

211 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:42:47am

re: #210 Johnny Derp

How valid is this?

Police Gave George Zimmerman Voice Stress Test
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

212 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:44:20am

re: #211 RogueOne

How valid are the tests?

213 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:45:40am

re: #212 Johnny Derp

How valid are the tests?

I read about their usage pretty often but I have no idea if it's more or less accurate than a standard polygraph.

214 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:48:29am

There's not enough stress going around so the Chinese and the Philippines are playing "naval standoff":

Philippines Dispatches 2nd Boat in Naval Standoff with China
[Link: www.voanews.com...]

215 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 6:56:59am

re: #207 RogueOne

A lesson someone should have told Zimmerman. That idiot talked to police for hours the night of the shooting, including letting them give him a voice stress test, guided them on a walk-thru the next day, and then had the bright idea to keep in touch with the prosecutors.

Í think he assumed tht he just had to let them know who his daddy was and that everything would be taken care of.

And it would have, too, except for those meddlesome liberals and the agenda-driven mainstream media!

216 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:00:26am

re: #215 Expand Your Ground

Yeah, because Florida officials give a crap that his daddy is a retired Justice of the peace from VA.....//

More likely he was brought up to put his faith in the judicial system and, by extension, the police. He's a badge licker. It's a mistake that may cost him his freedom, but I doubt it will be for Murder 2.

217 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:02:58am

re: #216 RogueOne

Manslaughter?

218 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:05:16am

re: #216 RogueOne

Yeah, because Florida officials give a crap that his daddy is a retired Justice of the peace from VA...//

More likely he was brought up to put his faith in the judicial system and, by extension, the police. He's a badge licker. It's a mistake that may cost him his freedom, but I doubt it will be for Murder 2.

Could be. I think he also just likes to talk. He set up that stupid website, called Sean Hannity and was trying to talk to prosecutors without his lawyers. I think maybe he's just dumb and chatty. A bad combination.

219 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:05:44am

re: #217 Johnny Derp

Manslaughter?

I think the Murder 2 is a reach, it would be easier to prove manslaughter.

Although, the more I read the more I'm coming to the conclusion that it was Martin who initiated the contact and started the fight. Unless the prosecution has a witness we haven't heard from that saw Z shove Martin....Zimmerman may walk.

220 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:06:51am

re: #219 RogueOne

Although, the more I read the more I'm coming to the conclusion that it was Martin who initiated the contact and started the fight.

Why did you come to this conclusion?

221 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:06:55am

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Definitely dumb. Even if he's positive he's in the right it was really stupid to help the police make a case against him.

222 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:09:46am

re: #219 RogueOne

I think the Murder 2 is a reach, it would be easier to prove manslaughter.

Although, the more I read the more I'm coming to the conclusion that it was Martin who initiated the contact and started the fight. Unless the prosecution has a witness we haven't heard from that saw Z shove Martin...Zimmerman may walk.

True, I think we should prepare for the possibility that this whole case may get tossed at the pre-trial hearing. I'd prefer, if that happened, the anger be turned towards the state government and towards the SYG law. But I fear that too many will not be able to let go of their anger towards Zimmerman.

223 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:10:05am

morning honcos.

224 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:10:58am

re: #220 Johnny Derp

Why did you come to this conclusion?

The timeline, the girlfriends call, and where he was shot. He was 100 yards from his house, a quick 30 second walk. If the girlfriends call is correct (that he picked up his pace and he was headed home) he had more than enough time to make it. Either Zimmerman is realllllly fast or Martin went back to confront him.

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:11:51am

From what I heard on my radio today, the prosecution against GZ can charge 2nd degree but open the door for a manslaughter conviction.

226 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:13:06am

re: #222 Targetpractice

True, I think we should prepare for the possibility that this whole case may get tossed at the pre-trial hearing. I'd prefer that, if that happened, the anger be turned towards the state government and towards the SYG law. But I fear that too many will not be able to let go of their anger towards Zimmerman.

I don't think Zimmerman is totally "innocent" in all this. It was his gun and he pulled the trigger. He was the one that went out of his way to keep an eye on a kid that wasn't doing anything wrong. I think Martin made a tactical error to confront a guy who was out of line and it spiraled out of control.

227 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:13:38am

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

From what I heard on my radio today, the prosecution against GZ can charge 2nd degree but open the door for a manslaughter conviction.

My understanding is that you have to charge both, 2nd and manslaughter, in order to leave that door open for the jury to convict on the lesser charge.

228 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:14:24am

re: #227 Targetpractice

My understanding is that you have to charge both, 2nd and manslaughter, in order to leave that door open for the jury to convict on the lesser charge.

I'm just telling you what the lawyer on my radio said today.

229 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:15:36am

re: #227 Targetpractice

My understanding is that you have to charge both, 2nd and manslaughter, in order to leave that door open for the jury to convict on the lesser charge.

How can you charge both if they contradict each other? I think juries have power to downgrade charges.

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:15:57am

re: #227 Targetpractice

My understanding is that you have to charge both, 2nd and manslaughter, in order to leave that door open for the jury to convict on the lesser charge.

IIRC, the lawyer said you file a 2nd degree charge but add some paperwork for the jury to find GZ guilty of manslaughter.

231 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:16:24am

re: #226 RogueOne

I don't think Zimmerman is totally "innocent" in all this. It was his gun and he pulled the trigger. He was the one that went out of his way to keep an eye on a kid that wasn't doing anything wrong. I think Martin made a tactical error to confront a guy who was out of line and it spiraled out of control.

Indeed, hence why I think they should have gone gone for manslaughter or even negligent homicide. The reasoning why they went for 2nd degree is currently known only to them, but I fear we might see another Casey Anthony, where the defense chooses not to accept a plea bargain and instead force the prosecution to present a rather weak case to the jury.

232 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:17:21am

re: #231 Targetpractice

Indeed, hence why I think they should have gone gone for manslaughter or even negligent homicide. The reasoning why they went for 2nd degree is currently known only to them, but I fear we might see another Casey Anthony, where the defense chooses not to accept a plea bargain and instead force the prosecution to present a rather weak case to the jury.

His new lawyer also sounds like a true shark.

233 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:17:36am

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, the lawyer said you file a 2nd degree charge but add some paperwork for the jury to find GZ guilty of manslaughter.

Makes sense, though I'm curious as to how the defense will view that.

234 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:18:04am

re: #216 RogueOne

Yeah, because Florida officials give a crap that his daddy is a retired Justice of the peace from VA...//

More likely he was brought up to put his faith in the judicial system and, by extension, the police. He's a badge licker. It's a mistake that may cost him his freedom, but I doubt it will be for Murder 2.

IIRC, his daddy seems to have some clout in Florida and even intervened with the Florida DA to get them to drop any charges

235 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:18:53am

The whole lawyer situation still confuses me. If the first 2 lawyers never met him and didn't talk to him....what made them think they were on his case?

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:19:06am

re: #233 Targetpractice

Makes sense, though I'm curious as to how the defense will view that.

If this case gets thrown out of if GZ is found not guilty, get out the popcorn.

237 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:19:33am

re: #235 RogueOne

The whole lawyer situation still confuses me. If the first 2 lawyers never met him and didn't talk to him...what made them think they were on his case?

I guess they spoke to him over the telephone, but never in person. Which is odd...

238 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:20:11am

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

If this case gets thrown out of if GZ is found not guilty, get out the popcorn.

Like I said above, we need to be prepared to hear that the judge has tossed the case on the grounds that he was engaging in "self-defense" under the SYG law.

239 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:20:14am

re: #237 Expand Your Ground

I guess they spoke to him over the telephone, but never in person. Which is odd...

Dude was in hiding, iirc.

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:21:07am

re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude was in hiding, iirc.

In Jacksonville. 2 hours away.

241 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:21:51am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Like I said above, we need to be prepared to hear that the judge has tossed the case on the grounds that he was engaging in "self-defense" under the SYG law.

The SYG may not even be applicable, it could be basic Self Defense. Has anyone ever established if they were standing when the shot was fired?

242 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:22:10am

There is a wildfire on the Florida/Georgia border. The smoke has made its way here. This is gonna suck.

243 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:22:41am

re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Jacksonville. 2 hours away.

His previous lawyers were making it sound like he was in TX waiting to hit the border.

244 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:22:43am

re: #241 RogueOne

The SYG may not even be applicable, it could be basic Self Defense. Has anyone ever established if they were standing when the shot was fired?

I have now heard 5 different stories.

245 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:22:51am

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

If this case gets thrown out of if GZ is found not guilty, get out the popcorn.

If he had been arrested and charged in February, then very little about this case would have come out. Heck, they probably could've thrown out the case or acquitted him without causing much of a stir. But now it is a national issue.

246 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:25:06am

re: #243 RogueOne

His previous lawyers were making it sound like he was in TX waiting to hit the border.

He should have gone to Mexico, changed his name, sneaked back over the border and then he could have gotten free stuff.
/to soon?

247 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:30:31am
248 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:31:59am

A question for those more legally knowledgeable than I.

Apparently Zimmerman's lawyer is goint to use SYG as a defense.

Since SYG stipulates limits on the amount of investigation that can be conducted, it seems to me that the judge will have to decide at the outset of the trial whether SYG applies - otherwise all the evidence that the special prosecutor has collected (to base her determination to proceed with the case) could be inadmissible?

If the judge rules that the evidence is admissible, in other words says that SYG doesn't apply, what does the defense do then?

And why would the defense use SYG when, obviously, the special prosecutor thinks that there was sufficient reason to investigate beyond Zimmerman's claim of self defense?

249 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:32:43am

Just saw this earlier on the TV and I must say I admire her compassion:

Trayvon Martin mom Sybrina Fulton on Zimmerman shooting: ‘I believe it was an accident’

Trayvon Martin's mom Sybrina Fulton said in an interview on the "Today" show Thursday that she believes it was "an accident" that George Zimmerman shot and killed her son in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26.

"I believe it was an accident," Fulton said. "I believe that it just got out of control, and he couldn't turn the clock back. I would ask him, did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager and that he did not have a weapon? I would ask him that I understand that his family is hurting, but think about our family that lost our teenage son. I mean, it's just very difficult to live with day in and day out. I'm sure his parents can pick up the phone and call him, but we can't pick up the phone and call Trayvon anymore."

Zimmerman, who is being charged with second-degree murder, is currently being held in protective custody at the Seminole County jail, awaiting a court appearance.

Earlier in the interview, Fulton said she is prepared to endure the trial, "even if that means that he may be found not guilty."

"We just want him to be held accountable for what he's done," Fulton said. "And by him not being arrested, that would not have been done. So we are happy that he was arrested so that the committee gives his side of the story."

250 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:35:52am

re: #248 Talking Point Detective

A question for those more legally knowledgeable than I.

Apparently Zimmerman's lawyer is goint to use SYG as a defense.

Since SYG stipulates limits on the amount of investigation that can be conducted, it seems to me that the judge will have to decide at the outset of the trial whether SYG applies - otherwise all the evidence that the special prosecutor has collected (to base her determination to proceed with the case) could be inadmissible?

If the judge rules that the evidence is admissible, in other words says that SYG doesn't apply, what does the defense do then?

And why would the defense use SYG when, obviously, the special prosecutor thinks that there was sufficient reason to investigate beyond Zimmerman's claim of self defense?

SYG prevents an arrest unless probable cause exists to believe that the law is not applicable. So no, it doesn't prevent investigation, it just prevents an arrest, and thus the collection of any evidence that could be obtained via an arrest. I think any evidence of that sort that Zimmerman voluntarily surrendered would not be protected.

251 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:36:17am

re: #248 Talking Point Detective

If GZ went after the guy then SYG doesn't work and the defense deals a plea. The special prosecutor has already pulled her cards off the table saying that too much info has gotten out. BUT the prosecution has to show the defense the evidence they have but the defense doesn't have to show their plan.

252 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:36:20am

re: #226 RogueOne

I think Martin made a tactical error to confront a guy who was out of line and it spiraled out of control.

Was it a "tactical" error on his part to assume guilt without evidence that Martin had committed a crime?

Was it a "tactical" error for him to violate the principles of town watch by: (1) carrying a weapon, (2) following Martin, (3) not being in touch with partners on the phone, (4) not having someone with him?

I have a sinking feeling that you're trying to twist this case to somehow redeem SYG laws, which are very problematic at their very conceptual root.

253 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:36:51am

re: #249 Targetpractice

Just saw this earlier on the TV and I must say I admire her compassion:

Trayvon Martin mom Sybrina Fulton on Zimmerman shooting: ‘I believe it was an accident’

Very classy.

254 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:38:10am

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

What do you mean by 'went after the guy'?

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:38:15am

re: #248 Talking Point Detective

A question for those more legally knowledgeable than I.

Apparently Zimmerman's lawyer is goint to use SYG as a defense.

Since SYG stipulates limits on the amount of investigation that can be conducted, it seems to me that the judge will have to decide at the outset of the trial whether SYG applies - otherwise all the evidence that the special prosecutor has collected (to base her determination to proceed with the case) could be inadmissible?

If the judge rules that the evidence is admissible, in other words says that SYG doesn't apply, what does the defense do then?

And why would the defense use SYG when, obviously, the special prosecutor thinks that there was sufficient reason to investigate beyond Zimmerman's claim of self defense?

I don't think it puts any limits on investigation as such. It can interfere with investigation in the sense that it disallows detention/arrest/charging/prosecution without probable cause. So I assume they would have to show probable cause in court.

256 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:38:59am
257 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:39:05am

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

If GZ went after the guy then SYG doesn't work and the defense deals a plea. The special prosecutor has already pulled her cards off the table saying that too much info has gotten out. BUT the prosecution has to show the defense the evidence they have but the defense doesn't have to show their plan.

If you don't mind, I'll wait to hear from someone who knows something about the actual reality.

Your supposition about whether the law does or "doesn't work" is not based on what the law actually says. Obviously, he "went after the guy," and his freakin' lawyer thinks that SYG applies.

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:39:32am

re: #252 Talking Point Detective

Was it a "tactical" error on his part to assume guilt without evidence that Martin had committed a crime?

Was it a "tactical" error for him to violate the principles of town watch by: (1) carrying a weapon, (2) following Martin, (3) not being in touch with partners on the phone, (4) not having someone with him?

I have a sinking feeling that you're trying to twist this case to somehow redeem SYG laws, which are very problematic at their very conceptual root.

I have written here and been ridiculed for saying politicians write laws without thinking them through. This is what I mean.

259 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:40:47am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

the=them, pimf and penciled

260 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:40:52am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have written here and been ridiculed for saying politicians write laws without thinking them through.

When was this?

261 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:41:30am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Very classy.

She has been all along. What's interesting is that despite what she has said all along, the rightwing is adamant about smearing her. I've already confronted that on multiple occasions. That interview and the one I linked above leave ([Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] them dumbfounded.

262 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:41:48am

re: #260 Obdicut

When was this?

I've been here 6 1/2 years. I can't remember all my comments.

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:42:24am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have written here and been ridiculed for saying politicians write laws without thinking them through. This is what I mean.

In this case, the law was written by the NRA, I have a sneaking supposition that the politicians did not read through them or if they die, were totally unaware of the repercussions and problems inherent in the law

264 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:42:44am

re: #262 Cannadian Club Akbar

Who would have an objection to a someone thinking a law through?

265 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:43:38am

re: #255 Johnny Derp

I don't think it puts any limits on investigation as such. It can interfere with investigation in the sense that it disallows detention/arrest/charging/prosecution without probable cause. So I assume they would have to show probable cause in court.

Ah. Ok. I thought that it stipulated that if there was a lack of "probable cause" no further investigation could be conducted.

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:43:54am

re: #264 Obdicut

Who would have an objection to a someone thinking a law through?

That wasn't the objection. I'm sure I criticized a law someone agreed with. They took offense to me.

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:44:38am

re: #264 Obdicut

Who would have an objection to a someone thinking a law through?

But remember, pass a law, then read the bill.
///

268 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:45:02am

re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar

That wasn't the objection. I'm sure I criticized a law someone agreed with. They took offense to me.

Whenever I've seen you ridiculed, it's generally for attributing things Imaginary Liberals say to things actual people have said. I wonder if this is another example.

269 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:45:20am

re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar

That wasn't the objection. I'm sure I criticized a law someone agreed with. They took offense to me.

Oh, I thought you just said that you were ridiculed for saying politicians write laws without thinking them through.

270 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:45:38am

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar

But remember, pass a law, then read the bill.
///

I'm sorry, what are you talking about?

271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:45:47am

re: #265 Talking Point Detective

Ah. Ok. I thought that it stipulated that if there was a lack of "probable cause" no further investigation could be conducted.

Here's the law:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Here's the relevant item:

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

272 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:46:23am

re: #269 Obdicut

Oh, I thought you just said that you were ridiculed for saying politicians write laws without thinking them through.

Sometimes they write laws as a knee jerk reaction. It happens.

273 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:47:01am

re: #270 Obdicut

I'm sorry, what are you talking about?

Uh, made a joke.

274 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:47:31am

re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sometimes they write laws as a knee jerk reaction. It happens.

I don't think anyone writes laws as a knee-jerk reaction, no. Can you give an example?

I think often politicians use boilerplate legislative language provided to them by lobbying groups like ALEC, the energy lobby, etc.

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:49:36am

re: #274 Obdicut

No. No example. You've never seen politicians write a law based on emotion? And fast?

276 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:50:06am

I'm tired of hearing about Ann Romney already. Not here. But damn what a goofy political stunt.

277 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:50:43am

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. No example. You've never seen politicians write a law based on emotion? And fast?

No, I really haven't. The closest I could get would be the defunding of ACORN based off of the stupid O'Keefe smears, but even then, they were using emotion as an excuse, their actual reason was to hurt a political opponent.

And I've very rarely seen a bill written fast.

278 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:51:34am

re: #274 Obdicut

I don't think anyone writes laws as a knee-jerk reaction, no. Can you give an example?

I think often politicians use boilerplate legislative language provided to them by lobbying groups like ALEC, the energy lobby, etc.

IIRC, that was exactly the case with SYG: it was written by the NRA and put up by a Florida state rep in response to some high-profile carjacking cases.

279 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:53:46am

re: #278 Expand Your Ground

IIRC, that was exactly the case with SYG: it was written by the NRA and put up by a Florida state rep in response to some high-profile carjacking cases.

Yeah, it was an ALEC/NRA jointly written piece, I believe-- and in Florida, and in other places, it's used emotional cases to make the argument for it.

280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:54:34am

re: #276 Gus

I'm tired of hearing about Ann Romney already. Not here. But damn what a goofy political stunt.

Who's Ann Romney? //

281 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:56:42am

re: #278 Expand Your Ground

IIRC, that was exactly the case with SYG: it was written by the NRA and put up by a Florida state rep in response to some high-profile carjacking cases.

We had a huge rash of carjacking cases in the '90's because the rental cars had license plates that started with certain letters and driven by tourist who were robbed. They did change that. Also added security at rest areas.

282 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:56:42am

re: #276 Gus

I'm tired of hearing about Ann Romney already. Not here. But damn what a goofy political stunt.

I hadn't heard about that so I googled.
Ann Romney rejects Democratic pundit’s claim that she ‘never worked a day in her life’

Within minutes, Obama campaign manager Jim Messina tweeted: “I could not disagree with Hilary Rosen any more strongly. Her comments were wrong and family should be off limits. She should apologize.”

David Axelrod, Obama’s top strategist, tweeted: “Also Disappointed in Hilary Rosen’s comments about Ann Romney. They were inappropriate and offensive.”

And Stephanie Cutter, Obama’s deputy campaign manager, tweeted: “Families must be off limits on campaigns, and i personally believe stay at home moms work harder than most of us do.”

Meh, much ado about nothing. I have no reason to think she's not a nice person and see no reason to dislike her.

283 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:58:58am

re: #274 Obdicut


Knee jerk or rushed legislation certainly happens. Anchorage is noted as a place it happens a lot.

The Dangers of "Caylee's Law"

Reforming Sex Offender Laws
California's Chelsea's Law rethinks the way the state manages sex offenders who will return to society.

AP Enterprise: Rushed bills compromise disclosure

Case Studies

Why should we read the bills? Because when Congress rushes to pass complex legislation, the bills are not properly vetted. With more time to examine the legislation, the public can help ferret out wasteful spending, sneaky provisions that were inserted by well-connected special interests and other problematic provisions.

284 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 7:59:20am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

I hadn't heard about that so I googled.
Ann Romney rejects Democratic pundit’s claim that she ‘never worked a day in her life’

Meh, much ado about nothing. I have no reason to think she's not a nice person and see no reason to dislike her.

It's not that I dislike her. I'm just tired of reading about it. People are making too big a deal of this on both sides of the issue. At the same time, those on the left are falling into an easily constructed trap as Rosen has already fallen into.

I'll just wait for my Bentley limo to pick me up for my morning commute to the spa. It's a hard life.

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:01:19am

re: #284 Gus

I'll just wait for my Bentley limo to pick me up for my morning commute to the spa. It's a hard life.

Heh.

286 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:02:39am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. A view of the NYC skyline, as taken from 1WTC (aka the Freedom Tower) as it becomes the tallest building in NYC (on its way to being the tallest in North America when completed).

287 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:02:52am

re: #283 Daniel Ballard

Where did you get the idea I was against reading bills?

I think legislation gets rushed through, but I don't think that it's because it's a knee-jerk reaction. I think most legislation rushed-through was already written and was awaiting its chance to get shoved in.

With more time to examine the legislation, the public can help ferret out wasteful spending, sneaky provisions that were inserted by well-connected special interests and other problematic provisions.

Wait, the public? What percentage of the public do you think is conversant at all with pretty much any bill? Even after months and months and months of debate on the health care bill, the public was ignorant of its most basic foundations.

288 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:03:33am

re: #276 Gus

I'm tired of hearing about Ann Romney already. Not here. But damn what a goofy political stunt.

As bad as the attack on Laura Bush because "never had a real job" becasue she was only a librarian or some such from the Democrat side. Really pointless.

The point is about choice: families should be free to choose the combination of work/family that works for them. If Ann wants to do the full-time mom thing, then it is okay with me.

289 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:03:48am

re: #284 Gus

I'll just wait for my Bentley limo to pick me up for my morning commute to the spa. It's a hard life.

290 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:04:13am

Turn your head and cough.
Tampa doctor faces 33 child porn charges
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:05:45am

re: #288 Expand Your Ground

As bad as the attack on Laura Bush because "never had a real job" becasue she was only a librarian or some such from the Democrat side. Really pointless.

The point is about choice: families should be free to choose the combination of work/family that works for them. If Ann wants to do the full-time mom thing, then it is okay with me.

IIRC, that was Teresa.

292 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:08:33am

re: #290 Cannadian Club Akbar

Turn your head and cough.
Tampa doctor faces 33 child porn charges
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

Don't forget the TSA Officer who was nabbed yesterday:

[Link: shinybadge.com...]

"Joey, Do You like Movies about Gladiators?"

293 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:09:35am

re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, that was Teresa.

Who, as I remember it, was savaged at every turn as the Dem "Marie Antoinette" for what was perceived as her indifference to the suffering of "Real Americans."

294 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:09:52am

re: #292 ReamWorks SKG

Don't forget the TSA Officer who was nabbed yesterday:

[Link: shinybadge.com...]

"Joey, Do You like Movies about Gladiators?"

"Have you ever been in a men's locker room"?

295 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:10:43am

re: #294 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Have you ever been in a men's locker room"?

"Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"

296 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:11:25am

re: #293 Targetpractice

Who, as I remember it, was savaged at every turn as the Dem "Marie Antoinette" for what was perceived as her indifference to the suffering of "Real Americans."

I do remember she went to Wendy's and didn't understand the concept of chili.
:)

297 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:11:31am

re: #284 Gus

It's not that I dislike her. I'm just tired of reading about it. People are making too big a deal of this on both sides of the issue. At the same time, those on the left are falling into an easily constructed trap as Rosen has already fallen into.

I'll just wait for my Bentley limo to pick me up for my morning commute to the spa. It's a hard life.

The wingnuts made a big deal out of the Obama's wealth last time too and his big house on a double lot in Chicago. It is a curiosity why we always elect rich people but it's not really an important issue for me.

298 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:11:55am

re: #295 Targetpractice

"Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"

I loved Midnight Express.

299 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:13:48am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

The wingnuts made a big deal out of the Obama's wealth last time too and his big house on a double lot in Chicago. It is a curiosity why we always elect rich people but it's not really an important issue for me.

Class envy is always a big play in an election year, which is hilarious because it's always two rich dudes trying to argue how they're more humble and an "every man" than their opponent.

300 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:15:02am

re: #276 Gus

I'm tired of hearing about Ann Romney already. Not here. But damn what a goofy political stunt.

A throw away comment by someone we've never heard of who got to go on CNN...wouldn't surprise me if she was paid to lay that egg on Romney's lap.

That said, my mother was a stay-at-home mom...until the youngest of her five kids, my sister and I, got to high school. Then she got bored with an empty house and started running my dad's office - firing his secretary and apparently making our family a shitload more money in the process.

Raising us was easy...never a challenge. We were angels, really.

301 dragonfire1981  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:15:57am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

The wingnuts made a big deal out of the Obama's wealth last time too and his big house on a double lot in Chicago. It is a curiosity why we always elect rich people but it's not really an important issue for me.

Even though you technically don't need a lot of money to run for office, the fact is that if you want to be President, you'd better have money. LOTS of money. The White House is simply an unobtainable goal for someone who is not worth multiple millions.

302 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:16:06am

re: #252 Talking Point Detective

Was it a "tactical" error on his part to assume guilt without evidence that Martin had committed a crime?

Was it a "tactical" error for him to violate the principles of town watch by: (1) carrying a weapon, (2) following Martin, (3) not being in touch with partners on the phone, (4) not having someone with him?

I have a sinking feeling that you're trying to twist this case to somehow redeem SYG laws, which are very problematic at their very conceptual root.

I'm not sure I understand your question. I said Zimmerman shouldn't have been following him and Martin made a tactical error in confronting him.

303 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:16:18am

re: #296 Cannadian Club Akbar

I do remember she went to Wendy's and didn't understand the concept of chili.
:)

I've had Wendy's chili and I can say that Wendy's doesn't understand the concept of chili.

304 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:17:00am

re: #303 darthstar

I've had Wendy's chili and I can say that Wendy's doesn't understand the concept of chili.

True, but their burgers kick ass.

305 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:17:51am

re: #249 Targetpractice

Just saw this earlier on the TV and I must say I admire her compassion:

Trayvon Martin mom Sybrina Fulton on Zimmerman shooting: ‘I believe it was an accident’

That's a very interesting comment. But I don't know if accident is the right word. It's the consequences of being irresponsible with gun ownership and usage.

Let me make this clear: I certainly think George Zimmerman committed a crime. And he was irresponsible and reckless to go carrying a gun. And I believe this even if Zimmerman's story is 100% accurate.

Zimmerman was following this young man and asking him questions. Martin was justifiably offended. He lived only a few blocks away from Zimmerman! It's likely that Martin did become aggressive. Where Zimmerman made a reckless decision was carrying a gun. Because you can end up getting yourself into a corner where you feel you have to use it. If Martin had knocked Zimmerman down, thinking he'd throw a few punches and make his point and then felt Zimmerman's gun, Zimmerman may have believed he had to use it.

The problem is, Trayvon Martin was a high school student. He was expecting nothing more than a shoving match, a little "hallway brawl". He wasn't expecting a wanna-be cop with a gun.

But I disagree it was an "accident". George Zimmerman should not be carrying a gun and confronting people. If he felt he needs to travel somewhere and needs a gun, he should be doing everything to avoid confrontation. Your goal is not to have to use it, not to find a reason to use it.

306 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:17:53am

re: #302 RogueOne

I'm not sure I understand your question. I said Zimmerman shouldn't have been following him and Martin made a tactical error in confronting him.

We don't know that Martin confronted Zimmerman. If Zimmerman was following Martin, then Martin was being confronted by Zimmerman, not the other way around. We only have Zimmerman's former lawyers' word that Martin confronted Zimmerman...and we know how reliable those two fucks were.

307 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:17:56am

re: #300 darthstar

A throw away comment by someone we've never heard of who got to go on CNN...wouldn't surprise me if she was paid to lay that egg on Romney's lap.

That said, my mother was a stay-at-home mom...until the youngest of her five kids, my sister and I, got to high school. Then she got bored with an empty house and started running my dad's office - firing his secretary and apparently making our family a shitload more money in the process.

Raising us was easy...never a challenge. We were angels, really.

I'm sure that's not the way she remembers it...

//

308 dragonfire1981  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:18:12am

re: #301 dragonfire1981

On a related note, here's another reason why I love my home country:

Elections Canada has issued political parties and candidates their spending limits for the May 2 election.

The elections agency released the preliminary figures on Wednesday, based on the preliminary list of electors in Canada's 308 ridings.

The amounts political parties can spend in the ridings varies according to the numbers of voters.

The more voters there are in a riding, the more a party can spend to get its candidate elected. So a party running a candidate in Oak Ridges-Markham in Ontario can shell out $132,251 during the campaign, while parties fielding candidates in the riding of Nunavut can spend $14,860.

There are separate spending limits for the political parties and the individual candidates.

Any party that fields a candidate in each of the 308 ridings can spend just more than $21 million in the election campaign, according to Elections Canada. The spending caps on the parties hovered close to $20 million in 2008.

See we make it illegal to spend a shit ton of money to get elected in Canada. What a novel idea.

309 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:19:01am

re: #307 Targetpractice

I'm sure that's not the way she remembers it...

//

None of us ever got arrested or killed. Beyond that, what could a mother want?

310 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:19:03am

re: #301 dragonfire1981

Even though you technically don't need a lot of money to run for office, the fact is that if you want to be President, you'd better have money. LOTS of money. The White House is simply an unobtainable goal for someone who is not worth multiple millions.

It's very rare for these guys to fund their own campaigns. One of the reasons I don't donate to political campaigns is it just seems absurd for me to send money to millionaires.

311 dragonfire1981  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:20:02am

re: #310 Killgore Trout

It's very rare for these guys to fund their own campaigns. One of the reasons I don't donate to political campaigns is it just seems absurd for me to send money to millionaires.

True, but do you really there are many average Joe Schmoe's who are well connected enough to build up the funds for an effective Presidential campaign?

You don't rub elbows with the rich by being poor.

312 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:20:22am

re: #309 darthstar

None of us ever got arrested or killed. Beyond that, what could a mother want?

Would it kill you to call or send flowers once in a while!!!!
///mom mode off

313 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:21:33am

re: #309 darthstar

None of us ever got arrested or killed. Beyond that, what could a mother want?

In my mother's case, it was for me to stop getting injured so much when I was young, to pay attention in school as I got older, and now it's to stop arguing with her.

314 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:23:07am

re: #300 darthstar

until the youngest of her five kids, my sister and I, got to high school.

Are you a twin?

315 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:23:38am

re: #277 Obdicut

No, I really haven't. The closest I could get would be the defunding of ACORN based off of the stupid O'Keefe smears, but even then, they were using emotion as an excuse, their actual reason was to hurt a political opponent.

And I've very rarely seen a bill written fast.

The Terry Schiavo bill was written quickly, based on (base) emotion. I'll never forget the sight of GWB's loafer stepping out of his limo, back from vacation, to sign it. "Damn, it's going to happen!"

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:23:59am

Alrighty. It's Thursday and that means hot dog with jalapeno relish time. See y'all later or next week.:)

317 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:25:46am

re: #314 wrenchwench

Are you a twin?

Not quite Irish twins. Just over a year apart.

318 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:29:22am
319 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:29:30am

Does this nose look broken?
[Link: webbond.seminolesheriff.org...]

320 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:30:24am

Boom!

321 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:31:29am

re: #319 darthstar

Does this nose look broken?
[Link: webbond.seminolesheriff.org...]

It was mentioned to me that it was "broken" 1.5 months ago. I would say this however. That nose looks like it's never been broken. Otherwise he must have had a pretty good plastic surgeon.

322 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:31:56am

Tennessee...where holding hands is a gateway sexual activity...at least to their fucked up state senate.

323 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:32:15am

re: #319 darthstar

Does this nose look broken?
[Link: webbond.seminolesheriff.org...]

From the photo, I think I see light red lines going across his nose as if he had been wearing a bandage across it. It needs a zoom.

324 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:32:40am

re: #319 darthstar

Does this nose look broken?
[Link: webbond.seminolesheriff.org...]

Probably the angle of the photo, but it does look a little crooked. Other than that, no, I'm not really seeing it.

325 Lidane  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:35:05am

re: #303 darthstar

I've had Wendy's chili and I can say that Wendy's doesn't understand the concept of chili.

Ugh. No kidding. Their idea of chili is vile.

326 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:35:35am

The correct answer, people, is No. The nose does not look broken.

Image: Image1.jpg
That's what a broken nose looks like.

327 Lidane  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:40:19am

re: #322 darthstar

Tennessee...where holding hands is a gateway sexual activity...at least to their fucked up state senate.

This sort of moralistic bullshit doesn't help anyone. WTF.

328 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:40:31am

Zimmerman could have bonked himself over the bridge of his nose with a hard-backed book after the fact. He's a nutter.

329 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:40:39am

re: #326 darthstar

The correct answer, people, is No. The nose does not look broken.

Image: Image1.jpg
That's what a broken nose looks like.

I got my nose broken the day before I was starting a new job. I had to show up wearing a nice suit with 2 black eyes and a busted schnoz.

330 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:41:23am

re: #321 Gus

It's tough to know whether it was or wasn't broken based on that photo alone. One would have the compare the booking photo to a pre-Martin-death photo to know for sure.

Hard to know, and medical records would come into question since he's putting his own condition at issue (eg: claims to have been beaten into the ground, suffered cuts/abrasions, broken nose). Medical records of treatment would come into play.

331 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:41:38am

re: #287 Obdicut

The Read the bill link is why bills should not be rushed. No accusations your way intended. And I agree with the intent to encourage the public to read the bills. Learn something, then maybe say something, as least for those inclined.

332 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:42:07am

Any idea about the ballpark date of the start of the trial?

333 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:43:15am

re: #332 Johnny Derp

Depends on how much pre-trial activity is needed, such as evidenciary hearings, discovery, and a pre-trial hearing on whether Zimmerman can show SYG.

334 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:45:45am

re: #329 RogueOne

I got my nose broken the day before I was starting a new job. I had to show up wearing a nice suit with 2 black eyes and a busted schnoz.

It's always good to set a strong first impression.

335 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:46:22am

Good morning lizards!

The kids got a new puppy yesterday. They are very excited. I hope this helps them forget what happened last week.

336 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:47:28am

re: #332 Johnny Derp

Any idea about the ballpark date of the start of the trial?

There will be a plea bargain. His lawyer is a pretty good defense attorney. In his statement yesterday he alluded to the idea of this not going to trial.

337 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:48:04am

re: #335 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

The kids got a new puppy yesterday. They are very excited. I hope this helps them forget what happened last week.

That sounds ominous.

338 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:48:13am

re: #335 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

The kids got a new puppy yesterday. They are very excited. I hope this helps them forget what happened last week.

What breed? Has it learned to crap in the living room?

339 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:48:37am

re: #336 darthstar

There will be a plea bargain. His lawyer is a pretty good defense attorney. In his statement yesterday he alluded to the idea of this not going to trial.

Supposing so, relatively soon then?

340 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:48:58am

re: #337 prairiefire

That sounds ominous.

If you missed it, their beagle got killed by a neighbor's dogs.

341 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:49:37am

re: #338 darthstar

What breed? Has it learned to crap in the living room?

Yellow Lab mix, 4mo old. It's a beautiful dog and appears to be house trained already.

:)

342 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:50:00am

re: #339 Johnny Derp

Supposing so, relatively soon then?

What...do you have plans to catch a movie this afternoon and want to know if it's a good time to go?

343 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:51:38am

re: #341 NJDhockeyfan

Yellow Lab mix, 4mo old. It's a beautiful dog and appears to be house trained already.

:)

Labs are good kid dogs. Got a name yet?

344 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:52:35am

re: #343 darthstar

Labs are good kid dogs. Got a name yet?

The SPCA had the name 'Monty' and the kids want to keep it.

345 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:54:18am

re: #344 NJDhockeyfan

The SPCA had the name 'Monty' and the kids want to keep it.

Bonus points for rescuing Monty.

346 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:57:05am

re: #332 Johnny Derp

Any idea about the ballpark date of the start of the trial?

This trial?

Jury Selection To Begin In John Edwards Criminal Trial

GREENSBORO, N.C. (AP) — After years of investigation, denials and delays, jury selection was set to begin Thursday for the criminal trial of former presidential candidate John Edwards.

Edwards was expected inside a Greensboro, N.C., courtroom to face six criminal counts related to nearly $1 million in secret payments made by two campaign donors to help hide the married Democrat’s pregnant mistress as he sought the White House in 2008.

The money flowed to Andrew Young, a former campaign aide who initially claimed the baby was his. Young is expected to be a key witness for the prosecution. The mistress, Rielle Hunter, may testify as part of Edwards’ defense.

Following years of adamant public denials, Edwards acknowledged paternity of Hunter’s daughter in 2010.

The trial is expected to last about six weeks.

347 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:59:04am

re: #346 NJDhockeyfan

This trial?

Huh?

348 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:59:18am

re: #341 NJDhockeyfan

Yellow Lab mix, 4mo old. It's a beautiful dog and appears to be house trained already.

:)

Sorry you lost your beagle! Labs are great with kids.

349 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:00:35am

re: #345 darthstar

Bonus points for rescuing Monty.

I put flags up all over the yard this morning. It's time to train another dog how not to leave the yard. The collar shock hurts.

350 Flounder  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:01:38am

re: #349 NJDhockeyfan

ummm, you are supposed to put it on the dog...

351 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:02:33am

re: #350 Tommy's cone of shame

ummm, you are supposed to put it on the dog...

Really? Someone lied to me!

352 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:09:00am
353 blueraven  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:09:59am

World Financial Center Building Evacuated Over Suspicious Package

Building 2 of the World Financial Center in downtown Manhattan — home of the Nomura Group — has been evacuated over a suspicious package, possibly containing a grenade.

354 sagehen  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:10:51am

how does one go about posting a tweet?

(in the meantime:

from @kateharding, 10.32am

"Also, because I can't get over this, please imagine female candidate saying, "My husbands talks to men and tells me about their concerns."

355 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:13:44am

re: #354 sagehen

how does one go about posting a tweet?

(in the meantime:

from @kateharding, 10.32am

"Also, because I can't get over this, please imagine female candidate saying, "My husbands talks to men and tells me about their concerns."

Open. Details. Copy URL. Paste.

356 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:15:29am

Quotes finally finished and out. Enjoy your day people!

357 blueraven  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:15:35am
358 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:16:15am

re: #353 blueraven

World Financial Center Building Evacuated Over Suspicious Package

Probably a bottle of something. Cologne maybe.

359 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:16:35am

re: #357 blueraven

Live feed

[Link: www.myfoxny.com...]

They just said it was a toy grenade.

360 blueraven  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:16:46am

re: #358 Gus

Probably a bottle of something. Cologne maybe.

I just heard "toy grenade"

361 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:17:31am

Cool view of central park. Looks huge!

362 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:18:01am

re: #359 Killgore Trout

They just said it was a toy grenade.

They still sell those?

363 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:19:18am

re: #362 sattv4u2

They still sell those?

I'm sure somebody does. I bet China still makes candy bullets.

364 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:19:29am

re: #361 Killgore Trout

Cool view of central park. Looks huge!

Not to this guy!!

Image: king-kong-on-empire-state-400x300.jpg

365 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:20:11am

re: #362 sattv4u2

They still sell those?

Toy Grenade

Product Features

Includes one toy grenade
Pull the string to watch the grenade shake and rattle
Made of plastic
Fun for pretend army soldier play or theme party favor
Each measures approx. 2" tall

366 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:20:13am

re: #360 blueraven

I just heard "toy grenade"

...

Clearly this was a DRY RUN perpetrated by the MOOSLUMS who will at a later date attack America once again while Barrack HUSSEIN Obama looks the other way as these MOOSLUM terrorist cells grow bigger every day with the help of CAIR and Little Green Dirtballs!!!!!!

367 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:20:24am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

I'm sure somebody does. I bet China still makes candy bullets.

Remember the candy cigarettes ,,,, 20 in a box that looked similar to real ones???

I found a place that still sells them !

368 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:20:27am

re: #359 Killgore Trout

They just said it was a toy grenade.

"It was a pineapple. No, not one of those. Like, the fruit."

369 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:21:49am

re: #355 Gus

Open. Details. Embed This Tweet. Copy URL. Paste.

FTFY.

You are the only Tweeter one needs to follow, because you retweet the good stuff from everybody else.

370 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:22:35am

re: #369 wrenchwench

FTFY.

You are the only Tweeter one needs to follow, because you tweet the good stuff from everybody else.

You don't have to do that anymore. You can though. I only do that with the image Tweets.

371 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:23:18am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

I'm sure somebody does. I bet China still makes candy bullets.

Complete with the daily requirement of lead in every bullet!

372 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:24:32am

re: #370 Gus

You don't have to do that anymore. You can though. I only do that with the image Tweets.

Oh, I missed something then Let me try...

Cool!

373 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:25:50am

re: #372 wrenchwench

Oh, I missed something then Let me try...

Cool!

They're so pathetic. You won't believe how many times I've heard the "Killgore Trout done it" meme from these people.

374 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:26:07am

re: #369 wrenchwench

FTFY.

You are the only Tweeter one needs to follow, because you retweet the good stuff from everybody else.

[Embedded content]

Yeah! Gus is the best Twitter twit ever!
/

375 Tumulus11  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:26:45am

. '2 World Financial Center all clear. Back to work, folks.'

376 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:26:51am

It's morphed into a "novelty grenade" on Twitter.

Grenade lighter perhaps?

377 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:27:10am

re: #374 Simply Sarah

Yeah! Gus is the best Twitter twit ever!
/

I concur.

//

378 darthstar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:27:19am

re: #349 NJDhockeyfan

I put flags up all over the yard this morning. It's time to train another dog how not to leave the yard. The collar shock hurts.

Put the collar on your neighbor.

379 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:27:35am

re: #376 Gus

It's morphed into a "novelty grenade" on Twitter.

Grenade lighter perhaps?

I used to have one of those.

380 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:27:52am

re: #376 Gus

It's morphed into a "novelty grenade" on Twitter.

Grenade lighter perhaps?

Gaborney Sidibe!

381 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:28:18am

re: #373 Gus

They're so pathetic. You won't believe how many times I've heard the "Killgore Trout done it" meme from these people.

Err..."They're so pathetic. You won't believe how many times I've heard the "Killgore Trout done it" meme from these people."

Fix-ed.

382 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:28:31am

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

I used to have one of those.

Did you get rid of it when you realized something like that is likely to get you shot these days?

383 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:29:49am

re: #378 darthstar

Put the collar on your neighbor.

He's never home. I noticed the dogs haven't been in the back yard for a couple days. I have a feeling he took them over to his son's house after animal control put a note on his door to call them.

384 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:30:24am

re: #382 Simply Sarah

Did you get rid of it when you realized something like that is likely to get you shot these days?

Grenade lighter and a bag of Skittles. Just don't do it.

385 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:30:25am

Good to hear that 2WFC was cleared - it's across the way from my office (well, across the WTC site, that is). Heard a few fire engines/police vehicles earlier, but that's not out of the ordinary. Glad that they didn't find anything dangerous.

386 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:31:10am

re: #382 Simply Sarah

Did you get rid of it when you realized something like that is likely to get you shot these days?

I lost it. I had it back in the 80s when stuff like that didn't set people off.

387 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:32:00am

Grenade stickers are semi-popular albeit obscure.

388 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:32:30am

re: #386 NJDhockeyfan

I lost it. I had it back in the 80s when stuff like that didn't set people off.

The 80s: When you could carry a grenade lighter without people caring and could sport funny hairdos without being laughed at.

389 sagehen  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:32:34am

let's see if I'm doing this right.

390 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:33:17am

re: #389 sagehen

let's see if I'm doing this right.

Yep.

391 Flounder  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:33:38am

re: #388 Simply Sarah

The mighty mullet shall make a triumphant return!

392 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:34:01am

Congressmen to Abbas: Medal awarded to Helen Thomas may damage U.S. assistance to PA

The award given to controversial journalist Helen Thomas by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has sparked anger not only in Israel, but in the U.S. Congress as well. Two senior Congressmen sent Abbas a letter denouncing the award and hinting that such a move may hurt U.S. assistance to the PA.

393 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:34:19am

re: #389 sagehen

let's see if I'm doing this right.

[Embedded content]

Nope. That's not a lolcats link at all. Better luck next time.
/

394 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:35:13am

Grenade shaped beverage bottle.

NSFW version [nudity] [also annoying audio]

I bought one of those last time I went to Mexico, which was several years ago. Didn't declare it to customs, although they took a peak into my bag of goodies.

395 dragonfire1981  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:35:30am

I give you wingnut delusion at its finest:

The Hardworking American vs. The Government Parasite

396 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:35:31am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Congressmen to Abbas: Medal awarded to Helen Thomas may damage U.S. assistance to PA

So they'll revoke the award to Hellen and give it (posthumously) to the Toulouse shooter.

397 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:35:32am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Congressmen to Abbas: Medal awarded to Helen Thomas may damage U.S. assistance to PA

Here I thought Hamas doing jack shit about Hezbollah lobbing missiles into Israel would have done that.

398 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:37:32am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Congressmen to Abbas: Medal awarded to Helen Thomas may damage U.S. assistance to PA

I miss the time when I thought Helen Thomas was just a sometimes slightly goofy older reporter lady who had only the goal of sitting in White House press briefings in her life.

399 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:38:31am

From "The Mole":

400 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:39:00am

re: #389 sagehen

let's see if I'm doing this right.

[Embedded content]

Then when you refresh the page, it gets that [Embedded content] look.

401 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:41:03am

re: #395 dragonfire1981

I give you wingnut delusion at its finest:

The Hardworking American vs. The Government Parasite

My favorite is how they accuse everyone they disagree with by saying "you're on welfare!!!!!!" Or any other government assistance. Other than collecting UI once back when I was 23 (about 2 months worth) I've never been on any government entitlement program -- neither federal or state.

402 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:42:39am

re: #395 dragonfire1981

I give you wingnut delusion at its finest:

The Hardworking American vs. The Government Parasite

This idiot thinks people choose to live on government assistance as a lifestyle. That is the most totally sucky lifestyle I can think of.

403 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:43:33am

re: #401 Gus

My favorite is how they accuse everyone they disagree with by saying "you're on welfare!!!" Or any other government assistance. Other than collecting UI once back when I was 23 (about 2 months worth) I've never been on any government entitlement program -- neither federal or state.

UI is not a government entitlement program, you paid for it while you were working.

404 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:45:29am

re: #401 Gus

My favorite is how they accuse everyone they disagree with by saying "you're on welfare!!!" Or any other government assistance. Other than collecting UI once back when I was 23 (about 2 months worth) I've never been on any government entitlement program -- neither federal or state.

Well, I have to take slight issue with how you present this. That is: I don't care if someone is on or has been on any form of government assistance. For starters, everyone gets government assistance, whether they realize/acknowledge it or not, in the form of everything the government does for us. Second, if you need more because things just haven't worked out well for you? Uh, OK? I see no problem with that. I'm not going to judge people for things mostly or totally out of their control.

405 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:48:07am

re: #399 Gus

From "The Mole":

Like I said yesterday, just because "The Mole" hadn't already been tarred and feathered didn't mean Fox didn't know their identity.

406 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:48:41am

re: #403 Learned Mother of Zion

UI is not a government entitlement program, you paid for it while you were working.

Thanks. I'm already aware of this.

407 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:52:00am

re: #404 Simply Sarah

Well, I have to take slight issue with how you present this. That is: I don't care if someone is on or has been on any form of government assistance. For starters, everyone gets government assistance, whether they realize/acknowledge it or not, in the form of everything the government does for us. Second, if you need more because things just haven't worked out well for you? Uh, OK? I see no problem with that. I'm not going to judge people for things mostly or totally out of their control.

Uh. That's not my point. I said that because a) I've been in a position where I should have applied for assitance and b) I've had right-wingers thrown accusations of "collecting welfare checks. But, yeah, uh, I probably should be on assistance right now but I'm not.

408 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:53:36am

re: #407 Gus

Uh. That's not my point. I said that because a) I've been in a position where I should have applied for assitance and b) I've had right-wingers thrown accusations of "collecting welfare checks. But, yeah, uh, I probably should be on assistance right now but I'm not.

Sorry. I just really hate to see people make a point of stating that they've "never been on government assistance", since that tends to imply there's something wrong about it. If anything, I'd say those that have actually been on it are those best equipped to discuss what it's really like.

409 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:56:03am

re: #408 Simply Sarah

Sorry. I just really hate to see people make a point of stating that they've "never been on government assistance", since that tends to imply there's something wrong about it. If anything, I'd say those that have actually been on it are those best equipped to discuss what it's really like.

OK. They do it all the time. "You're on welfare!" Which is a load of crap from these right wingers who as you say are probably using some kind of benefits program, etc. Like this crap.

410 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:56:09am

re: #395 dragonfire1981

I give you wingnut delusion at its finest:

The Hardworking American vs. The Government Parasite

Was, by chance, the article written by one "A. Ryan"?

//

Seriously, that sort of argument from the wingnuts is one that turns my stomach something fierce. That there's only two classes: those who work and those who "steal" from the workers. That black/white mentality is what is ripping America apart more than any talk from the wingers about Obama formenting a "race war" or how the war on women is "fictional." That 49% that the far-Right's gotten their knickers in a knot about not only includes "hardworking Americans" who lost their jobs through no fault of their own, but also the hardworking Americans who put in an honest day's work 5-6 days a week and still can't get above the poverty line.

411 teresa  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:19:23am

Thanks for this, I bought the album (hahaha I had to write that) at Amazon yesterday and it is on the IPod now.
Raitt's talent is unending.


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