War on Women: AZ Gov. Brewer Signs Radical Anti-Abortion Bill

Another step backward for women’s rights in Arizona
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Tonight, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer has signed into law one of the nation’s most radical right wing anti-choice bills: Brewer Signs Bill Banning Most Abortions After 20 Weeks.

Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a bill into law banning most abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy and making numerous other changes to abortion regulations.

The new law will likely go into effect sometime in July, depending on when the Legislature ends its session.

Supporters of House Bill 2036 say it protects women and unborn children, who at this gestational age may feel pain. Opponents say it strips women and their doctors of the ability to decide how to handle situations of fetal abnormalities often discovered later in pregnancy.

“This bill is about protecting maternal health and safety,” said Rep. Kimberly Yee, R-Phoenix, who sponsored the bill. “When a woman has a later-term abortion after 20 weeks … this exponentially increases the risk of death.”

The conservative Center for Arizona Policy was behind the bill. Center president Cathi Herrod thanked Brewer for signing the bill into law.

“HB 2036 provides for the health needs of women considering an abortion, ensuring that women have all the information they need when making this life-changing decision,” Herrod said in a news release. “Abortion not only ends the life of a pre-born child, but it also seriously endangers the health and safety of women.”

But remember: according to the Republican Party’s spinmeisters, that whole “war on women” meme is completely imaginary.

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387 comments
1 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:05:43pm

Carla?


Carla?

2 erik_t  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:06:24pm

Clearly, the Democrat Party wishes to win the 'War on Moms' by aborting all of the precious little babies and keeping there from being any more (real, non-adoptive) moms!!!1

3 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:06:35pm
But remember: according to the Republican Party’s spinmeisters, that whole “war on women” meme is completely imaginary.

How dare you attack Ann Romney and all mothers like that?! I'm outraged!

4 Kragar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:07:03pm

Arizona, doing its best to become a 3rd world country.

5 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:07:51pm

re: #4 Kragar

Arizona, doing its best to become a 3rd world country.

Arizona: The Meth Lab of Democracy.

6 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:09:20pm

Nothing to see here, move along folks, there is no GOP war against womens reproductive choices, none whatsoever. Stop listening to the lamestream media, no, really, just stop...

7 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:10:55pm

re: #6 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Nothing to see here, move along folks, there is no GOP war against womens reproductive choices, none whatsoever. Stop listening to the lamestream media, no, really, just stop...

No rightwing racism either.

Whats worse? n*****s on welfare, homosexual faux "marriage", slaughter of innocent babies ("abortion") or the commie in chief? #tcot

— Rev. Keith Roberts (@GodsLandGodsLaw) April 12, 2012

8 Ming  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:11:53pm

I would have expected that Roe vs. Wade would make Arizona's new law meaningless, but apparently that isn't the way it works. Can someone please explain how the federal and state jurisdictions interact in this case? Can Mississippi pass a state law that makes it illegal to consume alcohol? Can Texas pass a law making it illegal to listen to jazz music? I am really confused.

9 Kragar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:14:38pm

Speaking as a man married to a minority woman with 2 daughters, its shit like this which keeps me in CA despite job offers where I could make more money in AZ, VA, or TX.

10 erik_t  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:14:52pm

re: #7 Kronocide

No rightwing racism either.

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The Reverend is missing his tri-corner and/or pointy hat.

11 blueraven  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:15:24pm

re: #8 Ming

I would have expected that Roe vs. Wade would make Arizona's new law meaningless, but apparently that isn't the way it works. Can someone please explain how the federal and state jurisdictions interact in this case? Can Mississippi pass a state law that makes it illegal to consume alcohol? Can Texas pass a law making it illegal to listen to jazz music? I am really confused.

Well there are plenty of "dry counties" that I know of for sure in TX and GA where no alcohol can be purchased, so I would say Yes. At least they can make it very difficult to obtain.

You cant buy alcohol on Sundays in all of GA.

12 jaunte  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:16:11pm

The women in Arizona can just get things taken care of when they go to Europe to visit their Swiss bank accounts.

13 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:16:33pm

Thank you for keeping this a focus, Charles.
It is DISGUSTING.

14 aagcobb  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:17:22pm

re: #8 Ming

I would have expected that Roe vs. Wade would make Arizona's new law meaningless, but apparently that isn't the way it works. Can someone please explain how the federal and state jurisdictions interact in this case? Can Mississippi pass a state law that makes it illegal to consume alcohol? Can Texas pass a law making it illegal to listen to jazz music? I am really confused.

Alcohol yes, Jazz music, no (protected by 1st Amendment).

15 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:18:30pm

More of that Republican small government. Remember it's just small enough for an uterus.

16 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:19:04pm
“This bill is about protecting maternal health and safety,” said Rep. Kimberly Yee, R-Phoenix, who sponsored the bill. “When a woman has a later-term abortion after 20 weeks … this exponentially increases the risk of death.”

Forcing women to carry to term and deliver is riskier than regulated late term abortion, at least from everything I've read. Unbelievable.

17 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:20:14pm

re: #16 funky chicken

Forcing women to carry to term and deliver is riskier than regulated late term abortion, at least from everything I've read. Unbelievable.

That would make sense but there in lies the trouble.

18 Kragar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:20:33pm

re: #16 funky chicken

Forcing women to carry to term and deliver is riskier than regulated late term abortion, at least from everything I've read. Unbelievable.

If they really cared, they would let a doctor do what best for his patient.

19 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:21:25pm

re: #18 Kragar

If they really cared, they would let a doctor do what best for his patient.

The trust in doctors is why Justice Blackmun ruled in favor of Roe in the first place. But if you listen to the nutters, it was just judicial activists and baby killers.

20 jaunte  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:22:37pm
It also would set up several new requirements: Clinics must post signs saying it is against the law to coerce a woman into having an abortion, physicians must provide additional information about health risks, and the state must create a website with abortion health risks, contact information for adoption agencies and photos or drawings of developing fetuses.

Because, according to the authors of the bill, women are ignorant.

21 Gus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:23:43pm

Wait a minute! I thought the Republican Party invalidated the "war on women" today by way Rosengate?

22 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:23:50pm

re: #16 funky chicken

Forcing women to carry to term and deliver is riskier than regulated late term abortion, at least from everything I've read. Unbelievable.

Remember that these are the same nutters who believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, that having an abortion increases rates of mental illness and suicide.

23 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:24:46pm

I think the whole "Free Baja Arizona" campaign doesn't seem so crazy now

24 justaminute  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:25:02pm

re: #8 Ming

I would have expected that Roe vs. Wade would make Arizona's new law meaningless, but apparently that isn't the way it works. Can someone please explain how the federal and state jurisdictions interact in this case? Can Mississippi pass a state law that makes it illegal to consume alcohol? Can Texas pass a law making it illegal to listen to jazz music? I am really confused.

All I know that here in Oklahoma, our legislature has gone crazy writing laws like these and our female governor always signs them but they get overturned by the courts. I think the federal law Roe v Wade supersedes what the state does. I could be wrong on that, but OK hasn't been really successful in their attempts. But that doesn't keep them from trying though.

25 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:25:49pm

What I've learned from the GOP today: Motherhood is the hardest job ever, and every woman who has sex should be forced to do it.

26 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:30:08pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

More of that Republican small government. Remember it's just small enough for an uterus.

That ain't always very small. I weighed ten pounds when I was born. :D

27 bluecheese  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:30:45pm

somewhat off topic, but still related, an interesting link.

Idaho Abortion Case Is Uneasy For Both Sides

An Idaho woman arrested for inducing her own abortion is taking her case to federal court. Jennie Linn McCormack was charged last year under an obscure Idaho law for ending her pregnancy with RU-486. She joins an increasing number of women who get the so-called abortion pill off the Internet.

snip.

McCormack ran afoul of a 1972 Idaho law that makes it a felony for a woman to perform her own abortion. Not only does the law pre-date Roe v. Wade, it pre-dates RU-486.

interesting read.

28 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:31:20pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

That ain't always very small. I weighed ten pounds when I was born. :D

Shit that's nearly twice as big as I was. Granted I was a month premature.

29 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:32:33pm

re: #27 bluecheese

somewhat off topic, but still related, an interesting link.

Idaho Abortion Case Is Uneasy For Both Sides

interesting read.

I read about this. She's a mother too. I feel for her and her family.

30 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:32:45pm

re: #27 bluecheese

somewhat off topic, but still related, an interesting link.

Idaho Abortion Case Is Uneasy For Both Sides

interesting read.

It's not just an interesting read, it's a splash of cold water in the face of anybody who thinks that banning abortion will just make it go away.

31 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:33:25pm

re: #27 bluecheese

somewhat off topic, but still related, an interesting link.

Idaho Abortion Case Is Uneasy For Both Sides

interesting read.

That law will likely survive a court challenge. In part because its 40 years old and is still extant, but mostly because federal courts have generally ruled that it is constitutional to require that abortions be performed by an MD.

32 allegro  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:41:23pm

It has become an ugly time to be a woman in this country, especially a young woman. It's heartbreaking to think that with all the gains that have been made that this is what it has come to. I honestly do despair for the future of the country with these evil fucks having this much power. Jebus, if there was ever a time to GOTV it's this year.

33 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 8:55:12pm

Because ensuring women get their rights removed is so much more important 9_9

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:05:31pm

re: #33 Interesting Times

Because ensuring women get their rights removed is so much more important 9_9

Women's rights is always something we're going to do after we finish building communism. Or whatever the hell it is this time.

Grim fact.

35 Kragar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:15:48pm

re: #33 Interesting Times

Because ensuring women get their rights removed is so much more important 9_9

Because expanding liberty and personal freedoms means government dictating and intruding on the doctor/patient relationship.

36 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:15:53pm

re: #9 Kragar

Speaking as a man married to a minority woman with 2 daughters, its shit like this which keeps me in CA despite job offers where I could make more money in AZ, VA, or TX.

Come to Northern Va.
We ain't Va.
;)

37 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:21:01pm

Wow. Just read that Corey Booker was taken to the hospital last night after trying to rescue people from a burning building. Guess their budget problems are worse than I thought...

38 Ming  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:21:32pm

re: #9 Kragar

Speaking as a man married to a minority woman with 2 daughters, its shit like this which keeps me in CA despite job offers where I could make more money in AZ, VA, or TX.

I have a home in California, but I spend most of my time working in Arizona, because I couldn't find a job in CA. For years, I've looked down upon California's economy, even though I love the state, and I love going back home every few weeks.

Thank you very much for your comment; it was a pleasure for me to read it and actually feel GOOD about my home state of California! I look forward to spending this weekend in CA.

39 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:33:32pm

Twenty weeks? No fetus is viable at twenty weeks. Not only can't it breathe, but it has no fully functioning forebrain, which is the definition of human death.

Laws like this will change organ donor laws, believe me. Stupid stupid stupid.

But maybe that's the point for the gaspers.

40 jaunte  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:54:19pm

Glowing whale-sized object falls from sky into Connecticut lake

A state trooper and a motorist reported a large object falling out of the sky in Litchfield, Conn. -- a green, glowing, whale-sized object that plunged into Litchfield Lake. State authorities said no go; they failed to locate anything mysterious.

The Republican-American of Waterbury reports that a person driving in Litchfield at about 2 a.m. Tuesday reported that an object the size of a whale fell from the sky and crashed into Bantam Lake. Officials say that at about the same time, a state trooper 10 miles away in Warren called dispatchers to report that something fell out of the sky and landed near Bantam or Morris.

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:55:51pm

re: #9 Kragar

Speaking as a man married to a minority woman with 2 daughters, its shit like this which keeps me in CA despite job offers where I could make more money in AZ, VA, or TX.

a friend of mine has a SO who is of philipino heritage, and they visited family in arizona, and they were legitimately digging up her birth certificate and bringing it along, passports everywhere in case they get leaned on by the stormtroopers for their papers because oh no the brownskin

42 Mich-again  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:58:59pm

snip..

..the great majority of Catholic theologians have continued to maintain the general doctrine that the children's limbo is a state of perfect natural happiness, just the same as it would have been if God had not established the present supernatural order.

not so fast junior, you gotta slog it out here first like the rest of us??

43 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 9:59:59pm

re: #40 jaunte

Glowing whale-sized object falls from sky into Connecticut lake

Was a bowl of petunias spotted at the same time?

//

44 Kragar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:08:37pm

Its 10:00 PM, and I just made a delightful batch of homemade waffles.

Waffle irons rock.

45 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:10:38pm
46 God of Binders with Women  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:11:50pm
“This bill is about protecting maternal health and safety,” said Rep. Kimberly Yee, R-Phoenix, who sponsored the bill. “When a woman has a later-term abortion after 20 weeks … this exponentially increases the risk of death.”

Bullshit.

47 God of Binders with Women  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:13:43pm
“This bill is about protecting maternal health and safety,” said Rep. Kimberly Yee, R-Phoenix, who sponsored the bill. “When a woman has a later-term abortion after 20 weeks … this exponentially increases the risk of death.”

Individual liberty! Limited government!
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48 Kragar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:16:34pm

re: #47 Lord of Republicandoucheistan

Individual liberty! Limited government!
///

They said smaller government, they never said less.

49 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:20:10pm

Irene is going to be retired more than likely-The NHC reviewed the Damage reports and concluded that Irene caused about $15.6 Billion in damage in the US, bumping Rita out of the Top 10 most destructive US Tropical Cyclones.

Only as Weak Hurricane/Strong TS too. Had the models just 36-48 hours earlier been correct, Katrina would have been bumped from it extremely High Perch. It is still well above second place.

In 2012 Dollars, Katrina cost $148 Billion. Andrew cost just $44 Billion.

50 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:20:37pm
51 Lidane  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:29:35pm

re: #48 Kragar

They said smaller government, they never said less.

Government small enough to fit in a woman's uterus.

Yeah, the GOP are all about individual liberty, freedom, and smaller government. What a bunch of bullshit.

52 Lidane  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:42:14pm

re: #9 Kragar

Speaking as a man married to a minority woman with 2 daughters, its shit like this which keeps me in CA despite job offers where I could make more money in AZ, VA, or TX.

And it's shit like this that has me wanting to get the hell out of Texas once I'm financially stable again. It's maddening to be in a state where the party in power actively hates women and minorities and thinks that science and reality are too liberal for their tastes.

53 Ming  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 10:44:10pm

re: #50 austin_blue

Was Newt skydiving?

He just got the bill for Callista's latest expedition to Tiffany's.

54 Kragar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 11:12:33pm

When they say limited government, they mean they want it limited to them doing the governing.

55 Sophia77  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 11:16:28pm

Arrrgghhhhhhhhhh.

56 Kragar  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 11:24:24pm

re: #55 Sophia77

Arrrgghhh.

Perhaps she died while typing...

57 freetoken  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 11:26:28pm
58 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Apr 12, 2012 11:32:12pm

re: #51 Lidane

Government small enough to fit in a woman's uterus.

Yeah, the GOP are all about individual liberty, freedom, and smaller government. What a bunch of bullshit.

Don't worry, pretty soon they'll streamline government interference in your womb by delegating the task to well-remunerated, poorly-regulated, and ideologically blinkered sub-contractors.

60 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:11:41am
61 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:19:33am

re: #60 Varek Raith

MPAA: you can infringe copyright just by embedding a video

Most disturbing.

Does linking to a webpage infringe its copyright?

62 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:24:36am

[Link: www.ted.com...]

63 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:25:24am

re: #61 Kragar

Does linking to a webpage infringe its copyright?

Oy, those who don't understand the intertoobz should not be ruling on it.
:/

64 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:27:39am

re: #63 Varek Raith

Oy, those who don't understand the intertoobz should not be ruling on it.
:/

Kind of like those who don't understand human reproduction, science or education should not be ruling on it?

65 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:29:40am

Is this what elitist talk sounds like?

66 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:31:52am

re: #65 Oblivious Troll

Is this what elitist talk sounds like?

Quite.
*Adjusts monocle*

67 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:33:11am

re: #8 Ming

Can Texas pass a law making it illegal to listen to jazz music? I am really confused.

And like abortion rights, they can just make it very difficult to run a jazz club...

68 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:37:58am

How the hell does Paul attract people who love him this much?

69 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:40:21am

re: #68 Oblivious Troll

How the hell does Paul attract people who love him this much?

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two words: male rape

70 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:42:04am

re: #68 Oblivious Troll

How the hell does Paul attract people who love him this much?

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Weed.

71 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:44:41am

one leads to the other, and both lead to ron paul

72 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 12:44:55am

re: #70 Varek Raith

Weed.

How about the last stage of the game Ron has to fight a Hydra monster that dwells in a pyramid with the Eye of Horus on the top? The Evil Hydra has the heads of Bernanke, Greenspan, Evelyn de Rotshcild, David Rockefeller, Brzezinski, Kissinger, Soros et al. and shoots fiat currency at him. The object - destroy the Hydra, defeat the New World Order and banish the Global Elites to Hell where they belong.

Yep.
Weed.

73 researchok  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:14:52am

Morning, all

74 researchok  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:15:42am

re: #57 freetoken

Says file not found.

75 researchok  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:16:36am

re: #45 freetoken

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Same thing- file not found

76 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:30:57am

NASA's Viking robots found life on Mars 36 years ago

A new analysis of 36-year-old data, resuscitated from printouts, shows that NASA found life on Mars, an international team of mathematicians and scientists have revealed.

The analysis was based on studying the mathematically complexity of the results of a life-detection experiment conducted by NASA's Viking Mars robots in 1976.

The idea is that living systems are more complicated than purely physical ones, a concept that can be represented mathematically.

Further, NASA doesn't need a human expedition to Mars to nail down the claim, neuropharmacologist and biologist Joseph Miller, with the University of Southern California Keck School of Medicine, told Discovery News.

"The ultimate proof is to take a video of a Martian bacteria. They should send a microscope -- watch the bacteria move," Miller said.

"On the basis of what we've done so far, I'd say I'm 99 percent sure there's life there," he added.

77 sagehen  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:59:19am

re: #68 Oblivious Troll

How the hell does Paul attract people who love him this much?

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Wouldn't it be funny if Ron Paul were to sue him for misappropriation of his image?

78 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:02:52am

re: #76 Kragar

NASA's Viking robots found life on Mars 36 years ago

Let's not jump to conclusions???
...
..
.
AWESOME!

79 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:24:27am

re: #78 Varek Raith

Let's not jump to conclusions???
...
..
.
AWESOME!

I'll jump to conclusions: there's no life on Mars.

81 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:32:13am

re: #79 Adam, Eve and Steve

I'll jump to conclusions: there's no life on Mars.

Well, duh.
I eated them.

82 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:35:20am

re: #81 Varek Raith

Well, duh.
I eated them.

You eat bacteria?

83 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:36:32am

re: #82 Adam, Eve and Steve

You eat bacteria?

Not intentionally.

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:37:55am

re: #83 Varek Raith

Not intentionally.

Then you don't know that you eated them all.

85 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:41:37am

re: #84 Adam, Eve and Steve

Then you don't know that you eated them all.

STOP PERSECUTING ME!!!!

;)

86 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:42:34am

re: #82 Adam, Eve and Steve

You eat bacteria?

I drink acidophilus every day...

87 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:44:35am

re: #85 Varek Raith

STOP PERSECUTING ME!!!

;)

YA'LL ARE BRUTALIZIN' ME!!!

88 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:49:15am

re: #85 Varek Raith

STOP PERSECUTING ME!!!

No.

89 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:37:06am
90 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:38:40am

re: #89 Varek Raith

Image: Dead.jpg

Bring it to pet sematary.

91 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:47:28am

Off to an early shift.
Later!

92 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:04:12am

This is why people who don't understand the internet shouldn't be ruling on it:

MPAA: you can infringe copyright just by embedding a video

By their logic, any website that allows for embedded content would be liable for direct infringement every time someone posted a video or photo.

93 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:10:13am

re: #90 Adam, Eve and Steve

Bring it to pet sematary.

I had my young SiL watch that with me last weekend. That's my favorite Easter movie...

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:11:57am

re: #92 Lidane

This is why people who don't understand the internet shouldn't be ruling on it:

MPAA: you can infringe copyright just by embedding a video

By their logic, any website that allows for embedded content would be liable for direct infringement every time someone posted a video or photo.

I think they understand the internet very well.

95 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:22:30am

I saw someone posted the Dershowitz view on the Zimmerman charge, Jonathan Turley agrees in part:

Zimmerman Charged With Murder But Can The State Make The Case For Second Degree Murder?
[Link: jonathanturley.org...]

In Corey’s defense, she is merely giving the state a chance to make the case before a state judge who will first have to decide whether there is a viable affirmative defense under the Stand Your Ground law. It is at that stage that we will be able to see what new evidence Corey has to support the case. I remain doubtful on the chances solely due to the language of the state law and past rulings of state judges — absent more evidence of malice or depravity by Zimmerman. However, I have previously maintained that there was ample evidence to arrest Zimmerman at the scene.

and he hates SYG laws.

96 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:23:08am
Robust Soldier Crab Ball Gate

Yukio-Pegio Gunji, Yuta Nishiyama, Andrew Adamatzky
(Submitted on 8 Apr 2012)
Soldier crabs Mictyris guinotae exhibit pronounced swarming behaviour. The swarms of the crabs tolerant of perturbations. In computer models and laboratory experiments we demonstrate that swarms of soldier crabs can implement logical gates when placed in a geometrically constrained environment.

[Link: arxiv.org...]

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:27:55am

re: #95 RogueOne

I must confess that I am not optimistic on the chances of a conviction unless the special prosecutor has undisclosed evidence to meet the high standard under the state law.

Since he doesn't know what evidence there is, why is he pessimistic?

98 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:30:04am

re: #97 Adam, Eve and Steve

He thinks the charge is to high. He mentions manslaughter as probably being the appropriate charge.

I was surprised to see a second-degree murder charge which requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt that a person was killed, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life. This is a lower standard than the premeditated standard for first degree murder. However, the evidence in the case would seem to more closely resemble manslaughter.

99 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:30:36am

Howdy Honcos!

100 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:31:50am
101 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:32:17am

re: #100 Adam, Eve and Steve

Notice the mans last name?

102 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:32:36am

re: #98 RogueOne

But he doesn't know what evidence there is. He can't know what charge fits better than the prosecutors at this point in time.

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:33:16am

re: #101 RogueOne

?

104 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:35:08am

re: #97 Adam, Eve and Steve

Since he doesn't know what evidence there is, why is he pessimistic?

Because he has a deadline to meet and needs to write something.

The affidavit that was released outright says that there is more evidence than what was presented. This is a high profile case. It makes no sense for the prosecutors to lay out every bit of their case now. If they've got solid information that they think will get a conviction, they're smart to hold on to it until they're actually in a courtroom where it matters.

105 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:35:44am

re: #103 Adam, Eve and Steve

I've made the contention before that SYG laws are a useful way of keeping the poor & minorities out of prison. I posted about 1/2 a dozen examples, that's another.

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:36:41am

re: #105 RogueOne

I've made the contention before that SYG laws are a useful way of keeping the poor & minorities out of prison. I posted about 1/2 a dozen examples, that's another.

Wow. You really are glad that this murderer is not in prison?

107 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:36:59am

re: #101 RogueOne

Notice the mans last name?

So what? Over 95% of Laredo's population is Hispanic. They're right on the Texas-Mexico border:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

108 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:40:42am

re: #95 RogueOne

I saw someone posted the Dershowitz view on the Zimmerman charge, Jonathan Turley agrees in part:

Zimmerman Charged With Murder But Can The State Make The Case For Second Degree Murder?
[Link: jonathanturley.org...]

and he hates SYG laws.

Interesting article. Pretty much goes against the position you've staked on SYG. Have you come around?

109 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:42:55am

re: #105 RogueOne

"Useful"?

110 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:44:17am

re: #106 Adam, Eve and Steve

Didn't say that, but which one? Z or the guy in TX? The guy in TX was put before a jury and they decided he was innocent.

Here's another story about one of the people I posted about last week:

John McNeil
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]

According to McNeil’s testimony, when he pulled up to his house, Epp was next door grabbing something from his truck and stuffing it in his pocket. McNeil quickly grabbed his gun from the glove compartment in plain view of Epp who was coming at him “fast.” McNeil jumped out of the car and fired a warning shot at the ground insisting that Epp back off. Instead of retreating, Epp charged at McNeil while reaching for his pocket, so McNeil fired again, this time fatally striking Epp in the head. (Epp was found to have a folding knife in his pocket, although it was shut.)

The police called it self-defense but the prosecutor, a year later, decided to charge him anyway. Unluckily for Mr. McNeil, GA passed their SYG law after his conviction and he's now spending life in prison.

111 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:45:11am

re: #95 RogueOne

I saw someone posted the Dershowitz view on the Zimmerman charge, Jonathan Turley agrees in part:

Which post?

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:45:19am

re: #110 RogueOne

Didn't say that, but which one? Z or the guy in TX? The guy in TX was put before a jury and they decided he was innocent.

That's why it's no different from a jury acquitting a lyncher.

113 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:46:46am

re: #100 Adam, Eve and Steve

Old one:
Texas Jury Acquits Man Who Forced Teens to Kneel in Front of Him and Fatally Shot One in the Back

Wow. Good old times of juries acquitting lynchers?

Perfect example of the problems with these laws.

Rogue has a real conundrum on his hands.

114 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:47:20am

re: #108 Talking Point Detective

Interesting article. Pretty much goes against the position you've staked on SYG. Have you come around?

I like to read good arguments even when they disagree! But, No, I think he's mistaken on the impact revoking these laws would have on poor/minority defendants.

If you believe, like I do, that our system discriminates against the poor (who can't afford decent attorneys) every roadblock put in the way of prosecutors bringing charges "just because they can" is a good thing.

115 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:48:32am

re: #110 RogueOne

The police called it self-defense but the prosecutor, a year later, decided to charge him anyway. Unluckily for Mr. McNeil, GA passed their SYG law after his conviction and he's now spending life in prison.

Well, if SYG applies here, they should apply it retroactively. If it's not applicable retroactively, then something is wrong with the US law, since laws that make something not-a-crime should be applied retroactively to cases before the law went into effect.

116 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:48:32am

re: #111 Talking Point Detective

Which post?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

117 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:49:27am

re: #113 Talking Point Detective

Perfect example of the problems with these laws.

Rogue has a real conundrum on his hands.

Doncha know, jury decided he's innocent, so he is! Can't argue with the jury! /

118 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:49:31am

re: #115 Adam, Eve and Steve

That's the point. Something is wrong with the US judicial system. It discriminates based on economics.

119 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:50:06am

re: #110 RogueOne

Didn't say that, but which one? Z or the guy in TX? The guy in TX was put before a jury and they decided he was innocent.

Here's another story about one of the people I posted about last week:

John McNeil
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]

The police called it self-defense but the prosecutor, a year later, decided to charge him anyway. Unluckily for Mr. McNeil, GA passed their SYG law after his conviction and he's now spending life in prison.

Assuming that the story you posted fits your description (I haven't read it), once again, you aren't dealing with the reality of how SYG creates exactly the kind of arbitrariness, concentrated in the hands of law enforcement, that you see problematic with the alternatives.

What we had in the Zimmerman case was exactly as Martin's mother described: The police decided on guilt and/or innocence. The only reason that it has gone further is because of a historic level of public outcry.

120 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:50:18am

re: #118 RogueOne

That's the point. Something is wrong with the US judicial system. It discriminates based on economics.

I'm not talking about discrimination based on economics, so that's not the point.

121 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:50:44am

re: #113 Talking Point Detective

Perfect example of the problems with these laws.

Rogue has a real conundrum on his hands.

I take that case as an example of where I'm right. A poor hispanic man living in a trailer wins a murder case in TX? Never happen without SYG.

122 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:51:10am

re: #118 RogueOne

That's the point. Something is wrong with the US judicial system. It discriminates based on economics.

No doubt. Economics and race. But SYG as a way to correct that problem?

Really?

123 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:51:15am

re: #118 RogueOne

The only actual solution to that would be to disallow private defense attorneys, and only allow public defenders to present a defense case.

You don't want that, right?

124 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:51:46am

re: #120 Adam, Eve and Steve

I'm not talking about discrimination based on economics, so that's not the point.

But I am which is why I contend if you want more poor, black/hispanic people in prison...then by all means repeal the SYG laws.

125 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:52:02am

re: #121 RogueOne

I take that case as an example of where I'm right. A poor hispanic man living in a trailer wins a murder case in TX? Never happen without SYG.

What percentage of the jury was Hispanic? If he was tried in Laredo, they were probably all Hispanic, you know.

126 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:52:05am

re: #121 RogueOne

I take that case as an example of where I'm right. A poor hispanic man living in a trailer wins a murder case in TX? Never happen without SYG.

What this case shows is how the law is malicious since it apparently allowed this murderer to escape justice. I don't see how you can argue the 180 to this.

127 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:52:34am

re: #121 RogueOne

I take that case as an example of where I'm right. A poor hispanic man living in a trailer wins a murder case in TX? Never happen without SYG.

A poor Hispanic man living in a city where over 95% of the people around him are also Hispanic wins a murder case. Shocking, yes. But not unheard of.

128 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:52:43am

re: #124 RogueOne

But I am

But I am not. I'm making a specific point about retroactivity, not musing about injustice.

129 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:53:05am

re: #121 RogueOne

I take that case as an example of where I'm right. A poor hispanic man living in a trailer wins a murder case in TX? Never happen without SYG.

Even if that were true, you have to look at all aspects. You have a case where a guy walks away after essentially murdering a kid. There are consequences to these laws. I think that they are a terrible method for correcting biases in our judicial system.

130 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:53:16am

Kneeling in someone's front yard is a threat that warrants a deadly reponse.

Hmm...living in a Ghetto in Warsaw is a threat deadly enough to warrant execution in a gas chamber?

131 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:53:20am

re: #124 RogueOne

But I am which is why I contend if you want more poor, black/hispanic people in prison...then by all means repeal the SYG laws.

That's a really false dichotomy, and it's pretty pathetic you'd use it. Those aren't the only two choices available.

I mean, hell, you could use that same argument to say we ought to repeal all laws criminalizing anything, because they all put more poor, black and hispanic people in prison.

Come on, dude.

132 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:53:53am

re: #123 Obdicut

The only actual solution to that would be to disallow private defense attorneys, and only allow public defenders to present a defense case.

You don't want that, right?

I recognize the problem but I don't know what the answer. Maybe the answer is not having judges/prosecutors elected. All I know is if you're poor and you get charged you're either going to jail or you're forced to take a plea bargain. We've seen over and over again people taking plea deals because they can't "prove" their innocence. That's a horrible way to run a judicial system.

133 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:54:10am

re: #121 RogueOne

I take that case as an example of where I'm right. A poor hispanic man living in a trailer wins a murder case in TX? Never happen without SYG.

Except, you know, in this case, he actually committed murder.

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:56:09am

re: #132 RogueOne

Well, the law that helps to get away with murder is not the answer.

135 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:56:55am

re: #133 Renaissance_Man

Except, you know, in this case, he actually committed murder.

Even with the SYG laws he was prosecuted and the jury said he isn't a murderer.

136 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:57:15am

re: #132 RogueOne

I recognize the problem but I don't know what the answer. Maybe the answer is not having judges/prosecutors elected. All I know is if you're poor and you get charged you're either going to jail or you're forced to take a plea bargain. We've seen over and over again people taking plea deals because they can't "prove" their innocence. That's a horrible way to run a judicial system.

I don't know about anyone else, but you have no disagreement from me that you're talking about real and serious problems. My disagreement that these laws will come anywhere near close to solving those problems at an institutional level - and for each individual case where they might rectify an injustice, there are likely to be quite a number more where they allow an injustice to stand.

137 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:57:16am

re: #132 RogueOne

I recognize the problem but I don't know what the answer. Maybe the answer is not having judges/prosecutors elected. All I know is if you're poor and you get charged you're either going to jail or you're forced to take a plea bargain. We've seen over and over again people taking plea deals because they can't "prove" their innocence. That's a horrible way to run a judicial system.

Lots of poor people also have the charges dismissed without an actual trial and without a plea, or have them dropped due to a witness changing testimony, etc.

When it does go to trial, PDs have a success rate of between 10-20% of acquittal, which is actually pretty significant given the inequality of the resources brought to bear.

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:57:17am

re: #135 RogueOne

Even with the SYG laws he was prosecuted and the jury said he isn't a murderer.

And yet he is. What does that tell us?

139 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:00:24am

re: #136 Talking Point Detective

I completely understand that reasonable people can come to completely different conclusions on this issue. To me it's a question of which is the bigger problem and to me the answer is we're putting way too many actually innocent people in prison. Hence the guy in GA, and the guy earlier this year from IA. Both Black, both charged even when the police said it was self-defense, and both losing everything.

140 S'latch  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:02:14am

I can't agree that it is a "War on Women," per se.

Rep. Kimberly Yee, R-Phoenix, who sponsored this bill appears to be a woman herself.

It is a war on sexual rights and liberties. There are plenty of men who also want more choices in reproductive decisions, and this "war" is against them as well.

141 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:02:19am

re: #139 RogueOne

That was poorly written, to me....but I'm in a hurry. I have to have the spouse at the hospital in an hour for a minor surgery so I have to runnnnn!

Enjoy the day people.

142 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:02:38am

re: #139 RogueOne

To me it's a question of which is the bigger problem and to me the answer is we're putting way too many actually innocent people in prison.

There are reasons for that that go far beyond SYG laws.

The idiotic drug laws we have, for example. Privatized prisons where there is financial incentive to get as many people as possible in the system. Corruption in the courts and in law enforcement. Shitty representation for poorer defendants. And so on.

143 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:02:54am

re: #139 RogueOne

SYG laws aren't going to do shit to reduce the number of minority and poor people in prison, though, so that's a pretty weird reason to like it. The vast majority of people in prison aren't there for homicides of any sort.

If your overriding goal is to reduce the number of innocent people in prison, SYG is about the most back-assward way you could go about achieving that.

144 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:03:28am

re: #139 RogueOne

I completely understand that reasonable people can come to completely different conclusions on this issue. To me it's a question of which is the bigger problem and to me the answer is we're putting way too many actually innocent people in prison. Hence the guy in GA, and the guy earlier this year from IA. Both Black, both charged even when the police said it was self-defense, and both losing everything.

I think that having some numbers as to overall impact is what is missing here. Philosophically, we're coming at this from different angles.

I've seen arguments from black legal scholars that we should explicitly allow for jury nullification. It's an interesting argument.

145 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:05:36am

re: #143 Obdicut

Some weird thinking is going on here. The laws that allegedly "save" maybe dozens of minority citizens a year are a big way to keep minorities out of prisons; and the guy who shot a kneeling 13 y.o. boy in the back is not a murderer because a jury said so. Is this one of those weird libertarian episodes? ;)

146 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:07:08am

re: #143 Obdicut

SYG laws aren't going to do shit to reduce the number of minority and poor people in prison, though, so that's a pretty weird reason to like it. The vast majority of people in prison aren't there for homicides of any sort.

Exactly. Reforming our drug laws would do far more to reduce the number of poor and minority people in prison than SYG laws.

147 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:07:25am

Morning Lizardim. Happy Friday from the warm and stormy wild north country. Well, not stormy yet, but the storms are definitely a-brewin'. Bad news for the Twins and the Rangers, who are supposed to play today under the open sky at Target Field, but I suppose it's better than the tornados that those Texas guys have been dealing with.

148 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:08:03am

re: #141 RogueOne

That was poorly written, to me...but I'm in a hurry. I have to have the spouse at the hospital in an hour for a minor surgery so I have to runnn!

Enjoy the day people.

I got your point. There's no doubt, for me, that you are speaking to very real institutional problems. Lidane argues above (#139) for measures that I think would have more impact on the problems you're speaking about more generally.

149 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:08:19am

re: #145 Adam, Eve and Steve

I can never tell with Rogue's stuff whether he's being serious or what. It does tend to fit in with the 'libertarian' stance of preferring ideology to reality.

150 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:11:10am

re: #145 Adam, Eve and Steve

Some weird thinking is going on here. The laws that allegedly "save" maybe dozens of minority citizens a year are a big way to keep minorities out of prisons; and the guy who shot a kneeling 13 y.o. boy in the back is not a murderer because a jury said so. Is this one of those weird libertarian episodes? ;)

Yes, exactly. To a libertarian, the only possible conclusion when examining any issue, from crime to fine dining to UFO sightings, is that any and all laws and regulations are bad. And the gubmint is worse.

151 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:12:27am

re: #150 Renaissance_Man

To be fair, he argues *for* a law (SYG).

152 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:15:03am

re: #151 Adam, Eve and Steve

To be fair, he argues *for* a law (SYG).

For two reasons - one, to contradict other posters here, and two, because that law nullifies other laws, such as the ones about murdering people.

153 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:17:15am

re: #151 Adam, Eve and Steve

To be fair, he argues *for* a law (SYG).

True - but it's for a law that he believes lessens the authority of government officials - apparently based on a belief that is inherently a good thing.

The problem in that argument, IMO, is that SYG doesn't really reduce the power held in the hands of law enforcement.

154 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:35:49am

Money, drugs, guns and gangs: Child actors shame Mexico's politicians with mockumentary

A video "mockumentary" that shows children as kidnappers, corrupt cops and drug traffickers has sparked a fierce debate in violence-torn Mexico, with some people calling it a needed wake-up call while others described it as political manipulation or even child abuse.

Kids playing the role of businessmen, criminals and corrupt officials are seen robbing, paying bribes and shooting it out in a mock Mexico made up entirely of children, all to the deceptively laid-back tune of the 1970s ballad "Una Manana," or "One Morning."

Produced by a foundation supported by private companies and universities and distributed over the Internet, the video ends with a direct message to the candidates in the Mexico's July 1 presidential race.

A little girl faces the camera and says: "If this is the future that awaits me, I don't want it. Enough of working for your political parties instead of for us. Enough of cosmetic changes."

155 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:41:38am

re: #16 funky chicken

Forcing women to carry to term and deliver is riskier than regulated late term abortion, at least from everything I've read. Unbelievable.

Damn it! Stop bringing facts to our debates!

156 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:46:41am

re: #155 Romantic Heretic

Lying to women about the medical risks of pregnancy vs. abortion is a really shameful aspect of GOP policy.

157 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:58:18am

re: #156 Obdicut

Lying to women about the medical risks of pregnancy vs. abortion is a really shameful aspect of GOP policy.

In a really twisted way, though, it makes sense. Think about it: The GOP is staunchly anti-science. It stands to reason that they wouldn't know a damn thing about it. So they may actually even believe the crap they're espousing, because how would they know any better? They don't believe in science, so they refuse to accept the scientific consensus. They just "know in their gut" that abortion has to be worse than carrying to term, so they run with it.

158 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:00:12am

re: #157 thedopefishlives

True. When you decide that reality is defined through belief and not empirical fact, you're never really lying, or you're always lying. You only ever tell the truth by accident and coincidence, though.

159 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:23:57am
160 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:25:25am

re: #159 Interesting Times

The law of unintended consequences claims another casualty.

161 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:26:30am

Old White Dude Declares An End To Phrase ‘War On Women’

On Thursday, as the Rosen saga unfolded, DNC communications director Brad Woodhouse echoed her plea for peace. “I’m not a fan of the term,” he said in an interview. “I mean, I’m sure I’ve probably used it. We all fall into these easy vernaculars … but we in the DNC have not been running a campaign based on the term ‘war on Women.’ That’s a myth cooked up by Republicans.”

Meet Brad Woodhouse.

162 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:27:43am

re: #161 Gus

What a wimp.

163 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:28:54am

re: #161 Gus

164 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:29:17am

re: #156 Obdicut

Lying to women about the medical risks of pregnancy vs. abortion is a really shameful aspect of GOP policy.

Letting doctors lie to women about their pregnancies is one aspect of this that I find downright evil.

165 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:29:59am

re: #162 Obdicut

What a wimp.

Amazing isn't it? And the white dudes at TPM is posting this claim, which is still just one opinion, by one white dude, Brad Woodhouse, by way of another white dude, Dave Weigel -- who's a conservative.

166 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:30:03am

re: #163 Adam, Eve and Steve

I don't see why he's spending any time on the semantics of 'the war on women' when he's swinging strongly on showing how, well, the GOP has a war on women going on.

167 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:30:23am

re: #163 Adam, Eve and Steve

That's nice. I've Tweeted the same type of rhetoric myself.

168 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:30:38am

re: #165 Gus

I think it was just a messaging flub, since he's doing a perfectly good job in his tweets of demonstrating what the GOP are doing.

169 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:31:16am

re: #166 Obdicut

re: #165 Gus

It's media spin on his words. He is a representative of the DNC and plays it safe. But there is no "plea".

170 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:31:30am

re: #168 Obdicut

I think it was just a messaging flub, since he's doing a perfectly good job in his tweets of demonstrating what the GOP are doing.

Yeah. Still, it indicates a weakness. He's cowering to the Republicans and playing defense when we should be playing offense.

171 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:31:46am

re: #169 Adam, Eve and Steve

re: #165 Gus

It's media spin on his words. He is a representative of the DNC and plays it safe. But there is no "plea".

The media spin here being TPM.

172 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:31:55am

re: #169 Adam, Eve and Steve

Weigel is really an annoying asshole. He seems kinda trollish.

173 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:32:20am

re: #171 Gus

The media spin here being TPM.

TPM is media and it spins too.

174 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:32:22am

re: #159 Interesting Times

Unintended consequences are amusing, but I'm going to be the PC cop here and say that making jokes about the Amish and horse buggys is a bit like making jokes about black people and fried chicken.

175 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:32:26am
176 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:32:57am
177 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:33:40am

Derp!

178 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:34:23am

re: #177 Gus

Derp!

WINNING!

179 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:34:54am

Feel free to drop this tweet on him: Lisa Murkowski calls this a War on Women and so can you.

180 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:35:06am

re: #177 Gus

The fuck is she talking about? I think she is in delusional fugue state.

But, then again, this is the horrible woman who said the Japanese-American internment is a-okay.

181 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:35:12am

re: #178 thedopefishlives

WINNING!

Dorkishness.

Real moms?

182 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:35:49am

re: #177 Gus

re: #178 thedopefishlives

WINNING!

Tiger Mom Blood?

183 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:36:07am

re: #181 Gus

Dorkishness.

Real moms?

Sounds more like a reality TV show than a social media campaign. "Real Moms of the GOP."

184 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:36:33am

re: #181 Gus

Real moms?

Exercise due caution when googling for "real moms".

185 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:37:06am

War on women!

BOO!

Ooga booga! Run for the hills!

186 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:37:36am

re: #181 Gus

Is it the WAR. they're WINNING?

187 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:38:14am

re: #186 Adam, Eve and Steve

Is it the WAR. they're WINNING?

DON'T say that WORD! It's not PATRIOTIC!

188 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:38:15am

re: #185 Gus

Check out the GOP Aunt Lydia who's trolling him:

189 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:38:22am

re: #185 Gus

I can't believe how spineless the DNC is. Why the hell can't we use the rhetoric that has been thrown against us since Reagan?

190 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:38:23am

Call Brooks Bayne, he'll help'em.

191 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:38:40am

re: #186 Adam, Eve and Steve

Is it the WAR. they're WINNING?

Who knows. Reads like some dumb ad copy.

"Real moms enjoy the fresh tasting flavor of..."

192 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:39:22am

re: #185 Gus

War on women!

BOO!

Ooga booga! Run for the hills!

Yes. Because it's so much more ridiculous than their cries of a war on lightbulbs...

193 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:39:26am

re: #191 Gus

Who knows. Reads like some dumb ad copy.

"Real moms enjoy the fresh tasting flavor of..."

ALL FAKE MOMS HATE HER. REAL MOM™!

194 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:39:42am

re: #189 ProGunLiberal

The DNC is always spineless. They've got an incredible talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

195 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:39:50am

re: #188 Interesting Times

Check out the GOP Aunt Lydia who's trolling him:

What a crock. Didn't the GOP want that provision removed entirely to begin with?

196 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:40:26am
197 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:41:31am
198 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:42:04am

Is it headed by Sarah Palin? Because it should be.

199 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:42:38am

re: #194 Lidane

The DNC is always spineless. They've got an incredible talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Reminds me of that scene in "Band of Brothers" during Operation Market Garden. The British tanker refuses to hit a building in order to reveal a German Tiger tank lying in wait behind it. The British tanker refuses exclaiming, "we have orders not to damage private property!" Eventually the Tiger tank takes out the British tank.

War analogy! OK. Movies.

200 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:43:10am

Good Morning. I see the TP/GOP is up to it's usual Pro-Birth/Anti-Life tricks.

201 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:43:15am

re: #196 Lidane

Oh, this should be fun. Mitt Romney is speaking to the NRA today.

Great. Now we have to hear about his sick hunting skills again. He sounds like a camper in Halo who thinks he has leet skillz when he talks about his hunting experiences...

202 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:44:38am

re: #201 Oblivious Troll

Great. Now we have to hear about his sick hunting skills again. He sounds like a camper in Halo who thinks he has leet skillz when he talks about his hunting experiences...

Are you saying that Mittens is like Cartman with better speaking skills?

203 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:48:34am

Speaking of Hitler and Stalin. //

Huh? I remember we were lined up with Stalin when facing Hitler. And variations therein.

204 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:49:14am

re: #202 Gus

Are you saying that Mittens is like Cartman with better speaking skills?

Yeah. You wanna make somethin' of it?

205 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:50:08am

re: #202 Gus

Are you saying that Mittens is like Cartman with better speaking skills?

And here I thought that Limbaugh was Cartman with better speaking skills. Haha.

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:51:42am

Nah, Romney's not anywhere near Cartman. He's a Turd. Or a Douche. Or a Turdouche.

207 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:51:59am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Nice to see that Robert Spitzer has decided to retract his bogus study that claimed his ex-gay treatment helped gays go straight.

Robert Spitzer, the shrink who published the infamous 2001 study claiming people could change their sexual orientation from gay to straight with the help of what he called "ex-gay therapy", has decided he would like to retract all his original claims

Fact is that the study never held up to scrutiny from the scientific community, but it's results have been cited extensively by the anti-gay groups for years.

No doubt they'll still use the claims, even though the study turned out to be wrong.

208 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:52:13am

re: #203 Gus

Huh? I remember we were lined up with Stalin when facing Hitler. And variations therein.

Facts have a liberal bias. Ailes lives in the Bluto Blutarsky world of history.

209 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:53:31am

#WarOnGuns!!!!11ty

210 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:59:14am
211 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:01:32am

re: #210 Gus

What gun problem?

3 dead after woman tells husband she's leaving him at Cracker Barrel in Ohio

She was threatening to break up his family. He had to stand his ground.

///

212 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:02:44am

re: #210 Gus

What gun problem?

3 dead after woman tells husband she's leaving him at Cracker Barrel in Ohio

Stay the fuck out of Cracker Barrel is the lesson I take from that. It's a maxim that won't fail you in life.

214 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:05:24am

re: #210 Gus

What gun problem?

3 dead after woman tells husband she's leaving him at Cracker Barrel in Ohio

If only they had all been armed...

215 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:06:11am

re: #214 Oblivious Troll

If only they had all been armed...

Clearly we need to bomb Iran to prevent this from happening again.

//

216 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:09:47am

re: #215 Gus

Clearly we need to bomb Iran to prevent this from happening again.

//

The only solution is to cut taxes.

217 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:10:30am

re: #216 iossarian

The only solution is to cut taxes.

Pass a Constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

218 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:11:40am

re: #217 Gus

Pass a Constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

I blame bears that stand upright on their hind legs.

219 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:11:52am

re: #215 Gus

Clearly we need to bomb Iran to prevent this from happening again.

//

We must outlaw abortion, birth control, porn, and homosexuality. This will not only create jobs, but stop shootings like this from happening again.

///

220 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:14:35am

re: #219 Lidane

We must outlaw abortion, birth control, porn, and homosexuality. This will not only create jobs, but stop shootings like this from happening again.

///

We must bring back creationism into the classroom because clearly this is the result of the Darwinist commies brain washing our children.

//

221 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:16:18am

drive by comment, sorry, both relating to Charles's opening post.

1: the full bill link

2: While there's a lot in the bill that offends, my particular boggle is that if the mother is a minor then the right to sue for various technical and practical violations of this bill are granted to her, the father, her parents, and (wtf) the maternal grandparents. If the mother is not a minor then the father still gets a say. Unless (usually, not in all cases) the pregnancy was the result of criminal action by that individual.

really? the grandparents? really?

222 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:16:25am

re: #220 Gus

We must bring back creationism into the classroom because clearly this is the result of the Darwinist commies brain washing our children.

//

We need to kill ObamaCare and privatize everything, because this is clearly the result of the job creators not being turned loose to create all those jobs.

223 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:17:58am

re: #222 thedopefishlives

We need to kill ObamaCare and privatize everything, because this is clearly the result of the job creators not being turned loose to create all those jobs.

If people weren't guaranteed health care through ObamaCare then people would be reluctant to shoot each other.

//

224 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:19:08am

re: #222 thedopefishlives

We need to kill ObamaCare and privatize everything, because this is clearly the result of the job creators not being turned loose to create all those jobs.

Also, we must kill off the EPA, the Department of Education, the Federal Reserve, and every other government office that isn't the military. All that creeping secular communist government sharia caused this shooting to happen.

///

225 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:19:43am

re: #223 Gus

If people weren't guaranteed health care through ObamaCare then people would be reluctant to shoot each other.

//

If job creators were free to earn untold beeelions, then they would hire these malcontents and give them something else to do besides shooting each other.

226 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:21:36am

re: #224 Lidane

Also, we must kill off the EPA, the Department of Education, the Federal Reserve, and every other government office that isn't the military. All that creeping secular communist government sharia caused this shooting to happen.

///

Wingnut chain emails. Making Republican Party policy since 1998.

//

227 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:22:48am

BREAKING: White House to ban sport fishing in Murica!!!!11ty

Read this then forward to at least 5 friends.

Stop the assault on God and the Constitution now!!11ty

228 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:23:43am

re: #227 Gus

BREAKING: White House to ban sport fishing in Murica!!!11ty

Read this then forward to at least 5 friends.

Stop the assault on God and the Constitution now!!11ty

Sport fishing banned?! That's it, Minnesota has to secede from the Union. We're goin' to Canada./

229 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:24:05am
230 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:28:24am

Herpity derpity derp derp DERP:

231 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:28:41am

Friday the 13th! - 4/13/2012

4 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 13!!!!!!

We're doomed! Derp.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:29:16am

Good morning lizards!

Last night I saw the Norks missile launch went terribly wrong and fell apart.

I have one thing to say...

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !

233 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:30:20am

re: #230 Interesting Times

Oh geez. Is Dan Riehl an MRA or something? What a pathetic loser.

234 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:30:26am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

235 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:31:28am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

Shorter North Korean missile launch:

236 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:33:51am

re: #230 Interesting Times

Herpity derpity derp derp DERP:

Ha. War on men. One of those "men's rights" dorks.

Yeah. Hey. Stay at home moms is work. To that we all agree. So, we can settle on relative value for that work.

Let's say, $15/hr. We have to settle on time but to make it simple I'll make it $15 X 12 hours a day X 365 which is about $65,570/year. Now, take that and multiply it by 18 years which gives us $1,182,600 of un-earned income for stay at home moms per child.

That should be the required child support for every man that gets a divorce in which the wife get child custody.

Theoretically speaking.

237 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:36:56am

re: #230 Interesting Times

Herpity derpity derp derp DERP:

Completely unsurprising toolishness.

"How dare these lefties undermine my natural position of superiority over weak womankind."

238 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:37:37am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

As I noted in the last thread, but relevant here:

The juiche was strong wrong with that launch.

Those who were responsible have been sacked.
Those who were responsible for the sacking have themselves been sacked.

May the sackers and sackees find themselves a nice quiet corner of the North Korean gulag archipelago to ponder how they managed to waste so many resources on a missile program when they can't feed their own people (that's left up to international humanitarian aid, which the North Korean regime later claims was tribute to the regime, not a handout out of food that the regime so desperately needs).

239 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:41:12am

re: #230 Interesting Times

Herpity derpity derp derp DERP:

240 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:42:51am

I absolutely love ABL. She's awesome.

241 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:43:15am

Has the DCCC rebuked the DNC?

242 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:44:16am

How failed North Korea rocket could lead to a fresh nuclear test

The UN Security Council is likely to rap North Korea for its rocket launch, and a defiant North Korea could respond with a nuclear test – following a pattern that has played out before.
...
“They will propagandize it as scientific achievement,” predicts Kim Tae-woo, a long-time defense analyst and president of the Korea Institute for National Unification. “They will say it has been successful. It is propaganda for their own people.”
...
“North Korea will get angry at the action of the UN, and they will use that as an excuse for another nuclear test,” says Mr. Kim.

243 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:47:15am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

How failed North Korea rocket could lead to a fresh nuclear test

Their previous nuke tests have followed the last two missile tests. I bet we will see another one soon.

244 jaunte  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:47:49am

re: #236 Gus


Joe Walsh sez: "not proved!"

245 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:49:01am

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

Their previous nuke tests have followed the last two missile tests. I bet we will see another one soon.

It's all so stupid and seems mostly for internal propaganda and serves no other purpose.

246 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:51:19am

It must be weird to live in a country where a tight-knit group of political and military leaders cook up excuses for expensive and unnecessary war efforts, in order to distract the general population from the unbridgeable gap that exists between them and society's elite.

247 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:51:46am

re: #245 Killgore Trout

It's all so stupid and seems mostly for internal propaganda and serves no other purpose.

It's a good sales tool for customers like Iran and Pakistan.

248 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:52:59am

Profiting from the sale of war machinery to other countries. What could be more despicable?

249 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:53:08am

North Korea should get with the program. With a few tweaks and adjustments they should be able to buy their weapons systems from Boeing and Lockheed. They can use Saudi Arabia as a model. Where they get to buy their weapons from the USA and maintain their oppressive regime.

250 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:53:21am

BTW...the animal control officer called me yesterday. The neighbor's dogs are gone forever.

251 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:54:03am

re: #248 iossarian

Not feeding your own countrymen and maintaining a gulag archipelago for political prisoners?

252 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:54:21am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

BTW...the animal control officer called me yesterday. The neighbor's dogs are gone forever.

Good news. I'm sorry that it had to go this far before Animal Control stepped in.

253 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:54:55am

North Korea missile test failed! Time to fabricate a new hysterical talking point since this one was anti-climatic.

254 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:55:09am

re: #249 Gus

They'd have to overcome the problem that North Korea is still technically at war with the US and UN member nations (the ceasefire agreement ending the Korean war wasn't an armistice).

255 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:55:12am

re: #251 lawhawk

Not feeding your own countrymen and maintaining a gulag archipelago for political prisoners?

Yes - countries which don't provide for the general welfare of their population and intern people without trial are greatly to be condemned.

256 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:56:12am

re: #254 lawhawk

They'd have to overcome the problem that North Korea is still technically at war with the US and UN member nations (the ceasefire agreement ending the Korean war wasn't an armistice).

That can be easily done. It would be a win-win for all of us!

//

257 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:56:58am
258 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:57:24am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Good news. I'm sorry that it had to go this far before Animal Control stepped in.

After telling him his dogs killed my dog she told him he had two choices. His response was "I'll pay the bill." She said money wasn't the issue and his choices were give the dogs up to be euthanized or face the judge and get banned for owning a dog forever.

259 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:57:30am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

BTW...the animal control officer called me yesterday. The neighbor's dogs are gone forever.

Good news. Sorry it took the death of your daughter's beagle to make it happen, though.

260 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:57:48am

re: #256 Gus

That can be easily done. It would be a win-win for all of us!

//

Us: We are willing to offer you the olive branch of peace and $1B in weapons contracts.

Them: We are happy to negotiate, but unfortunately we have no money or oil.

Us: No money or oil you say? Smells like endless war to me...

261 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:58:17am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Good news. I'm sorry that it had to go this far before Animal Control stepped in.

Agreed. I hate to see someones pet put down, but I also hate to see neighbors (and THEIR pets) held hostage by out of control canines (not to mention their owners)

262 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:59:16am

re: #260 iossarian

Us: We are willing to offer you the olive branch of peace and $1B in weapons contracts.

Them: We are happy to negotiate, but unfortunately we have no money or oil.

Us: No money or oil you say? Smells like endless war to me...

Maybe that's the ticket. Instead of offering them food we should offer them weapons. Much like we do with other countries. ;)

263 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:59:28am

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

After telling him his dogs killed my dog she told him he had two choices. His response was "I'll pay the bill." She said money wasn't the issue and his choices were give the dogs up to be euthanized or face the judge and get banned for owning a dog forever.

Around here, his dogs would have been given a 12 gauge euthanasia on the spot.

264 allegro  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:03:05am

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

After telling him his dogs killed my dog she told him he had two choices. His response was "I'll pay the bill." She said money wasn't the issue and his choices were give the dogs up to be euthanized or face the judge and get banned for owning a dog forever.

It hurts to see three dogs dead due to the irresponsibility of an owner. I would prefer to see that "or" be an "and" so that he isn't responsible for the deaths of more dogs, including his own.

265 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:04:38am

re: #264 allegro

It hurts to see three dogs dead due to the irresponsibility of an owner. I would prefer to see that "or" be an "and" so that he isn't responsible for the deaths of more dogs, including his own.

Maybe being given the choice of having his dogs put down or being banned from owning dogs will serve as a wake-up call to be a more responsible owner.

I wouldn't hold my breath though.

266 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:06:44am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Good news. I'm sorry that it had to go this far before Animal Control stepped in.

Yeah, the dogs' lives could've been spared if their owner had given enough of a damn about them to find them another home when it first became clear they were a danger to others. What a selfish prick.

267 allegro  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:07:37am

Speaking of pets, my adopted stray Buddy is right now undergoing his was-a-boy procedure. May your good thoughts be with him.

Image: buddy.JPG

268 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:11:59am

re: #263 William Barnett-Lewis

Around here, his dogs would have been given a 12 gauge euthanasia on the spot.

Yeah, unfortunately, a person close to me tried that approach and wound up doing community service on a misdemeanor charge. The prosecutor actually wanted to drop the case, but the animal rights activists went berserk and it was an election year... Sigh.

269 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:14:57am

Man I am so glad I didn't move to that ass backward state.

270 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:15:00am

re: #268 thedopefishlives

Yeah, unfortunately, a person close to me tried that approach and wound up doing community service on a misdemeanor charge. The prosecutor actually wanted to drop the case, but the animal rights activists went berserk and it was an election year... Sigh.

Hard coded in Wisconsin law, thankfully.

271 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:18:25am

re: #266 CuriousLurker

Yeah, the dogs' lives could've been spared if their owner had given enough of a damn about them to find them another home when it first became clear they were a danger to others. What a selfish prick.

Don't even have to do that

Just make sure the dog isn't allowed to roam the neighborhood unescorted

272 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:19:17am
273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:19:36am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

BTW...the animal control officer called me yesterday. The neighbor's dogs are gone forever.

I hope your neighbor is not a threatening asocial psycho?

274 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:20:14am

re: #270 William Barnett-Lewis

Hard coded in Wisconsin law, thankfully.

The same would've likely happened back in my home state of Texas, law or no law.

275 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:20:48am

I'm about to give PETA a big fuck you and adopt a bully pitbull.

276 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:21:19am

re: #267 allegro

Speaking of pets, my adopted stray Buddy is right now undergoing his was-a-boy procedure. May your good thoughts be with him.

Image: buddy.JPG

Have had that done to half a dozen dogs we've had

McDuff (our westie) was the latest (about 2 years ago)

Got him home and after awhile he went to lick where a dog usually licks. he abruptly stopped, looked at me with a "HEY,.,, WTF" look on his face

277 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:21:26am

Grand Prix to go ahead as planned in oppressive ME nation, FIA confirms

The decision comes after speculation about the event in the Gulf state, in which civil unrest has continued since protests in February 2011.

The FIA has been under pressure to call off the race amid security concerns.

But a statement said it was "satisfied that all the proper security measures are in place for the running of a Formula 1 world championship event".

And F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone has said in an interview with BBC F1 presenter Jake Humphrey that he would be "very surprised if we have problems".

Protesters in Bahrain have called for the race to be cancelled. It is closely tied with the ruling royal family, who are being pressured to improve human rights and make reforms by the majority Shia population, who accuse the minority ruling Sunnis of discrimination.

Pressure has built in recent weeks as riots have continued in Shia neighbourhoods.

In a statement on Friday Amnesty International said a "blind eye" should not be turned to the "ongoing human rights crisis in the country"...

278 allegro  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:22:29am

re: #271 sattv4u2

Don't even have to do that

Just make sure the dog isn't allowed to roam the neighborhood unescorted

Shit happens and dogs can get out at times. (See above, Buddy, who now knows how to pop the screen door open for a jackrabbit run to the other end of the park with Mom on his quick little heels) An aggressive dog, especially one as aggressive as these dogs clearly were, really is a danger to have in a populated area. These dogs need serious training and a strong hand to control in a way that they can't be a danger to anyone and themselves.

279 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:22:43am

re: #263 William Barnett-Lewis

Around here, his dogs would have been given a 12 gauge euthanasia on the spot.

I was ready for them if they got loose.

280 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:22:57am

re: #273 Adam, Eve and Steve

I hope your neighbor is not a threatening asocial psycho?

No,, but HIS neighbor is!!!

//

281 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:23:21am

re: #275 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I'm about to give PETA a big fuck you and adopt a bully pitbull.

The above-mentioned court case is one of the reasons I hate animal rights activists. I'm sorry, but I still think people are more important than animals, and if it comes down to the life of someone I care about or the life of their neighbor's dog - well, I choose my loved one.

282 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:25:26am

re: #271 sattv4u2

Don't even have to do that

Just make sure the dog isn't allowed to roam the neighborhood unescorted

Yeah, but based on what NJDh has said about the situation, it seems the guy couldn't even be bothered to do that much. Irresponsible pet owners suck. They not only get their pets & other animals killed, they also risk getting people (especially kids) maimed or killed.

283 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:27:50am

re: #282 CuriousLurker

Yeah, but based on what NJDh has said about the situation, it seems the guy couldn't even be bothered to do that much. Irresponsible pet owners suck. They not only get their pets & other animals killed, they also risk getting people (especially kids) maimed or killed.

Over the years i've had 2 of our dogs attacked by neighborhood dogs (one here in Atlanta ,, one back in Boston)

In both instances our dog was on a leash walking with my wife. In both instances the attacking dogs had been left to roam the neighborhood unattended, even though BOTH had fenced back yards

284 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:30:28am

re: #282 CuriousLurker

Yeah, but based on what NJDh has said about the situation, it seems the guy couldn't even be bothered to do that much. Irresponsible pet owners suck. They not only get their pets & other animals killed, they also risk getting people (especially kids) maimed or killed.

Not to play too much to stereotypes, but it seems to be a "redneck thing" to keep an aggressive breed of dog with little training and no intention of being able to control it. I know someone in my neighborhood who has the redneck trifecta - a big-ass American flag in the yard, a jacked-up truck painted in camouflage, and an extremely aggressive dog. I don't know the breed, as I've never actually seen it, but whenever we walk through that neighborhood we can hear it barking at us. We always walk a little faster going past that house.

285 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:32:10am

re: #283 sattv4u2

Over the years i've had 2 of our dogs attacked by neighborhood dogs (one here in Atlanta ,, one back in Boston)

In both instances our dog was on a leash walking with my wife. In both instances the attacking dogs had been left to roam the neighborhood unattended, even though BOTH had fenced back yards

Sorry to hear that. Yeah, dogs will get out. As a kid I had a border collie who could jump a fence, and a beagle who could dig her way under one. Luckily neither was the least bit dangerous, but the beagle ended up getting hit by a car and killed.

In Texas there's also always the risk of rabies, even when they stay IN the yard.

286 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:34:16am

re: #284 thedopefishlives

but it seems to be a "redneck thing" to keep an aggressive breed of dog with little training and no intention of being able to control it.

You haven't been to many inner city neighborhoods lately, I see
When I was back in Boston and worked in the Jamaica Plains, Roxbury, Mattapan (et al) neighborhoods they were full of pit bulls

287 allegro  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:35:08am

re: #283 sattv4u2

Over the years i've had 2 of our dogs attacked by neighborhood dogs (one here in Atlanta ,, one back in Boston)

In both instances our dog was on a leash walking with my wife. In both instances the attacking dogs had been left to roam the neighborhood unattended, even though BOTH had fenced back yards

My boys were attacked this way a couple of weeks ago by a neighbors pit who she let outside without tying him up. I was PISSED. She knows this dog is aggressive - hell, I knew he was the way he reacted when we walked by when he was chained. I was not amenable to her later apology due to her deliberate choice to let him out along with her other big dog who joined in the attack unchained. That makes it not an accident as she claimed but depraved indifference. Fortunately, they backed off when I started kicking them back so my boys suffered only minimal damage.

288 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:36:59am

re: #284 thedopefishlives

Not to play too much to stereotypes, but it seems to be a "redneck thing" to keep an aggressive breed of dog with little training and no intention of being able to control it. I know someone in my neighborhood who has the redneck trifecta - a big-ass American flag in the yard, a jacked-up truck painted in camouflage, and an extremely aggressive dog. I don't know the breed, as I've never actually seen it, but whenever we walk through that neighborhood we can hear it barking at us. We always walk a little faster going past that house.

IMO, it's more of a machismo thing. Back in TX it was often as you mentioned, but also other "tough guy" types. Here on the East Coast, it's often drug dealers & gangsters. I guess in their cases it's more cheap occupational insurance.

289 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:37:07am
HILARY ROSEN, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, first, can we just get rid of this word "war" on women? The Obama campaign does not use it. President Obama does not use it. This is something that the Republicans are accusing people of using, but they're actually the one spreading it.

With respect to economic issues, I think actually that Mitt Romney is right, that ultimately, women care more about the economic well-being of their families and the like. But there's -- but he doesn't connect on that issue either.

What you have is Mitt Romney running around the country saying, "Well, you know, my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues. And when I listen to my wife, that's what I'm hearing."

Guess what? His wife has actually never worked a day in her life. She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school, and how do we -- why we worry about their future.

So I think it's -- yes, it's about these positions and, yes, I think there will be a war of words about the positions, but there's something much more fundamental about Mitt Romney. Because he seems so old-fashioned when it comes to women. And I think that comes across. And I think that that's going to hurt him over the long term. He just doesn't really see us as equal.

Reading the actual quote in context, it's not that bad.

290 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:39:45am

re: #288 CuriousLurker

IMO, it's more of a machismo thing. Back in TX it was often as you mentioned, but also other "tough guy" types. Here on the East Coast, it's often drug dealers & gangsters. I guess in their cases it's more cheap occupational insurance.

I think you have the right of it there.

291 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:40:50am

re: #289 Kronocide

Reading the actual quote in context, it's not that bad.

Now she says Anne Romney doesn't understand the plight of working women because of her wealth. One problem: Rosen made significant coin working for the RIAA so should be disqualified by her own logic. Democrat millionaires attacking Republican millionaires for being millionaires. Millionaires.

292 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:41:38am

re: #291 Darth Vader Gargoyle

She made it working, I think is the key there, right?

293 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:43:41am

re: #292 Obdicut

She made it working, I think is the key there, right?

I think you mean working outside the home right?
//

294 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:44:21am

re: #291 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Now she says Anne Romney doesn't understand the plight of working women because of her wealth. One problem: Rosen made significant coin working for the RIAA so should be disqualified by her own logic. Democrat millionaires attacking Republican millionaires for being millionaires. Millionaires.

She wasn't attacking Ann Romney. She was saying she was unqualified to speak for working women because she hasn't worked a day in her life.

Saying she hasn't worked a day in her life may be problematic, but her key point that Ann Romney is not qualified to speak to the plight of working women has merit, and is not an attack.

295 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:44:32am

re: #287 allegro

My boys were attacked this way a couple of weeks ago by a neighbors pit who she let outside without tying him up. I was PISSED. She knows this dog is aggressive - hell, I knew he was the way he reacted when we walked by when he was chained. I was not amenable to her later apology due to her deliberate choice to let him out along with her other big dog who joined in the attack unchained. That makes it not an accident as she claimed but depraved indifference. Fortunately, they backed off when I started kicking them back so my boys suffered only minimal damage.

That's why my dad carries pepper spray with him whenever he takes his walks with his dog. He's had to use it a couple of times with pits.

296 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:45:13am

re: #287 allegro

My boys were attacked this way a couple of weeks ago by a neighbors pit who she let outside without tying him up. I was PISSED. She knows this dog is aggressive - hell, I knew he was the way he reacted when we walked by when he was chained. I was not amenable to her later apology due to her deliberate choice to let him out along with her other big dog who joined in the attack unchained. That makes it not an accident as she claimed but depraved indifference. Fortunately, they backed off when I started kicking them back so my boys suffered only minimal damage.

Are your boys okay? Did you call animal control? WTF is wrong with people?!?

297 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:46:25am

re: #291 Darth Vader Gargoyle

You're also equating Hilary Rosen's as wealthy compared to Ann Romney. Do you know how wealthy Rosen is?

298 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:46:45am

re: #293 Darth Vader Gargoyle

I think you mean working outside the home right?
//

Well, no. In common vernacular, we refer to 'working' as 'working at a job'. The challenges faced by women in the workplace-- especially mothers in the workplace-- are very different than women running the household.

299 allegro  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:47:23am

re: #293 Darth Vader Gargoyle

I think you mean working outside the home right?
//

We're going to have to stop saying "working moms" now as well and instead use the awkward "working outside of the home moms." I do get the issue and the very real need to acknowledge the contribution of moms everywhere but we ALL know what "working" means in this context. It's why we now have the common term "stay at home moms" to differentiate the statuses.

300 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:47:35am

re: #294 Kronocide

She wasn't attacking Ann Romney. She was saying she was unqualified to speak for working women because she hasn't worked a day in her life.

Saying she hasn't worked a day in her life may be problematic, but her key point that Ann Romney is not qualified to speak to the plight of working women has merit, and is not an attack.

Of course she attacked Ann Romney. Try this on for size "Kronocide hasn't worked a day in his/her life". Seems rather attacky to me.

301 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:48:31am

re: #300 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Of course she attacked Ann Romney. Try this on for size "Kronocide hasn't worked a day in his/her life". Seems rather attacky to me.

Even in the broadest reading of it, it was a misstatement, not an attack.

302 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:48:36am

re: #300 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Of course she attacked Ann Romney. Try this on for size "Kronocide hasn't worked a day in his/her life". Seems rather attacky to me.

Do you know why Rosen was talking about Ann Romney's work experience? What prompted it?

303 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:49:10am

re: #298 Obdicut

Well, no. In common vernacular, we refer to 'working' as 'working at a job'. The challenges faced by women in the workplace-- especially mothers in the workplace-- are very different than women running the household.

I disagree, I learned a long time ago when discussing a wife's occupation with her husband to clarify working outside of the home vice, "does your wife work?".

304 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:49:17am

re: #297 Kronocide

You're also equating Hilary Rosen's as wealthy compared to Ann Romney. Do you know how wealthy Rosen is?

Yeah

The country club Rosen belongs to only has gold PLATED silverwear!!

paupers!
//

305 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:50:01am

re: #303 Darth Vader Gargoyle

I disagree, I learned a long time ago when discussing a wife's occupation with her husband to clarify working outside of the home vice, "does your wife work?".

Well, disagree as much as you like, but we use the term 'working mothers' to mean 'women who are employed, as well as being mothers'.

Do you actually disagree with that?

306 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:50:25am

Rosen is a political strategist. She really should have known better.

307 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:50:30am

re: #297 Kronocide

You're also equating Hilary Rosen's as wealthy compared to Ann Romney. Do you know how wealthy Rosen is?

I know she had a 7 figure income at RIAA for several years. Can't imagine she hasn't continued to make pretty good coin.

308 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:51:10am
309 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:51:18am

re: #305 Obdicut

Well, disagree as much as you like, but we use the term 'working mothers' to mean 'women who are employed, as well as being mothers'.

Do you actually disagree with that?

Does your wife work Obdicut? Mine does, but doesn't have a job outside of the home.

310 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:51:33am
311 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:52:07am
312 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:52:39am

re: #311 Gus

Image: Mitt-Romney-GOP-Homes.jpg

Your class warfare is delicious!

313 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:52:55am

re: #309 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Does your wife work Obdicut? Mine does, but doesn't have a job outside of the home.

My wife is a student, and PhD candidate. She doesn't work.

Is there some reason you're dodging the direct question I just asked?

We use the term 'working mothers' to mean 'women who are employed, as well as being mothers'.

Do you actually disagree with that?

Is everyone who's a father automatically 'working' now too? Are we calculating the unemployment rate all wrong?

315 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:53:56am

re: #307 Darth Vader Gargoyle

I know she had a 7 figure income at RIAA for several years. Can't imagine she hasn't continued to make pretty good coin.

Yep, for five years. Of course the 11 years working up to that weren't 7 figure years. And the years she worked at other places before getting there weren't.

But you betcha, she's just another millionaire so never knew what work might be.

316 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:54:11am

re: #312 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Your class warfare is delicious!

Pass the smelling salts! Someone's insulted Thirst and Howell the 3rd!

//

317 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:54:16am

re: #313 Obdicut

My wife is a student, and PhD candidate. She doesn't work.

Is there some reason you're dodging the direct question I just asked?

We use the term 'working mothers' to mean 'women who are employed, as well as being mothers'.

Do you actually disagree with that?

Is everyone who's a father automatically 'working' now too? Are we calculating the unemployment rate all wrong?

Unfortunately Hilary Rosen didn't say that Ann Romney isn't a working mother.

318 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:54:23am

re: #312 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Your class warfare is delicious!

Give me a break.

319 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:54:30am

Can I just take this opportunity to say that I like to fire people, my wife drives a couple of Cadillacs, I am friends with several NASCAR team owners, I don't consider $375K to be very much money to make in a year, and that cheap rain jacket looks really cheap on you, you cheapskate?

Oh, and my wife doesn't consider our family to be wealthy.

(Who wants a $100M IRA, anyway? Know what I mean?)

320 allegro  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:54:37am

re: #296 Sionainn

Are your boys okay? Did you call animal control? WTF is wrong with people?!?

Yeah, the boys are fine. Buddy got bit enough to scrape some hair off but it didn't break the skin enough to draw blood. I jumped in the middle fast and at least the dogs had some respect for my intervention. I didn't call Animal Control but I did report it to the park management (I live in an RV resort) just for a heads up should this ever happen again. There are probably as many dogs in this park as people and if any other little guys get attacked the park will demand their removal. I think it put the fear of eviction in the woman since she has kept the dogs inside or well chained since.

321 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:54:53am

re: #316 Gus

Pass the smelling salts! Someone's insulted Thirst and Howell the 3rd!

//

I'm in the military, so just Thirst.

322 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:54:57am

re: #309 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Does your wife work Obdicut? Mine does, but doesn't have a job outside of the home.

My wife trained as an RN so she could work when absolutely necessary for our survival. The decades she spent at home, raising the 4 kids, were an unalloyed joy--sort of like Disney World without the long lines.

323 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:55:09am

re: #317 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Unfortunately Hilary Rosen didn't say that Ann Romney isn't a working mother.

I'm talking to you now, though, not Hilary Rosen.

Does the phrase 'working mother' mean "A mother who also is employed"?

I'm generally pretty straight with you, it's weird that you won't answer this question.

324 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:56:00am

re: #306 Oblivious Troll

Rosen is a political strategist. She really should have known better.

Exactly. Her "strategy" was so bad it almost bumped the Zimmerman story off the radar and prompted a personal responses from the President and the First Lady. It was a major fail and continuing to defend it is counter productive.

325 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:56:16am

re: #323 Obdicut

I'm talking to you now, though, not Hilary Rosen.

Does the phrase 'working mother' mean "A mother who also is employed"?

I'm generally pretty straight with you, it's weird that you won't answer this question.

Yes it does. Rosen didn't use that term. If she had she could have avoided the kerfuffle.

326 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:57:01am

re: #324 Killgore Trout

Exactly. Her "strategy" was so bad it almost bumped the Zimmerman story off the radar and prompted a personal responses from the President and the First Lady. It was a major fail and continuing to defend it is counter productive.

It was a mistake and she apologized. Pretending that means she didn't have a valid point will prove counterproductive.

327 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:57:07am

re: #317 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Unfortunately Hilary Rosen didn't say that Ann Romney isn't a working mother.

I think you're mostly right, with a caveat. Saying that stay-at-home mothers "haven't worked a day in their lives" is not acceptable.

The caveat, of course, is that Ann Romney has no first-hand experience of what it means to be a "working person" who has to carefully budget for such things as school outings and sports equipment for her kids.

328 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:57:11am

re: #325 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Yes it does. Rosen didn't use that term. If she had she could have avoided the kerfuffle.

Sure. So basically, the kerfluffle is about a misstatement. People are being massively PC while avoiding the actual point. It's pretty sad.

329 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:58:20am

re: #300 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Of course she attacked Ann Romney. Try this on for size "Kronocide hasn't worked a day in his/her life". Seems rather attacky to me.

Context is everything, so is the subject. The fact that I've had to work everyday of my life would make the statement ridiculous, it could be meant to be an attack on me. When saying it about a woman who is married to a man worth $200m, much less ridiculous. It's actually plausible. The statement may be factually wrong.

But the key point is not whether Ann Romney worked a day in her life, it's whether she can represent the plight of the common woman. It was reinforced by the more problematic statement she's never worked a day in her life. Really, it's pretty ridiculous to say that it's an attack on Romney, even more ridiculous to say it's an attack on moms (such as the right wing pundits have done).

Writing it off as millionaires criticizing millionaires is somewhat MBFish and completely missing the point. Rosen did not say 'Ann doesn't know what she is talking about but I do.'

330 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:58:57am

re: #328 Obdicut

Sure. So basically, the kerfluffle is about a misstatement. People are being massively PC while avoiding the actual point. It's pretty sad.

It's that rarest of things - a "poor choice of words" which was actually just that!

331 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:59:01am

BRB. I have to go brush the Arabian horses and tell my butler to take the Ferrari to the shop. That's hard work you know.

//

332 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:59:03am

re: #324 Killgore Trout

Exactly. Her "strategy" was so bad it almost bumped the Zimmerman story off the radar and prompted a personal responses from the President and the First Lady. It was a major fail and continuing to defend it is counter productive.

I'm torn. I see bumping Zimmerman out of the limelight as a feature, not a bug.

333 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:00:01am

re: #328 Obdicut

Sure. So basically, the kerfluffle is about a misstatement. People are being massively PC while avoiding the actual point. It's pretty sad.

Also, I love the word kerfuffle.

334 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:00:13am

It's hard work being a Kardashian. I tend to think of them as severe pop-stars.

//

335 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:00:31am

re: #304 sattv4u2

Yeah

The country club Rosen belongs to only has gold PLATED silverwear!!

paupers!
//

do you have any idea of what you're talking about? You're driving a distraction based on an MBF fairy pretext.

336 iossarian  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:00:51am

BTW, I think it's likely that the Romneys had help for looking after the kids.

337 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:01:24am

re: #335 Kronocide

do you have any idea of what you're talking about? You're driving a distraction based on an MBF fairy pretext.

What part of "//" didn't you understand?

338 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:01:41am

re: #333 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Also, I love the word kerfuffle.

Sounds like a German dish with exotic fungi.

339 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:02:17am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Sounds like a German dish with exotic fungi.

Or a breakfast dish at IHOP!

340 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:03:06am

re: #324 Killgore Trout

Exactly. Her "strategy" was so bad it almost bumped the Zimmerman story off the radar and prompted a personal responses from the President and the First Lady. It was a major fail and continuing to defend it is counter productive.

Pointing out in the blogs that Rosen was right and Ann Romney does not represent an average working woman is completely legitimate, since it's true. However, politically Rosen made the wise decision (apology). Case closed. Let's continue discussing the Republican war on women.

341 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:04:11am

re: #339 sattv4u2

Or a breakfast dish at IHOP!

They do souffles at the International House of Prayer?

[Link: www.ihop.org...]

342 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:04:33am

re: #324 Killgore Trout

Exactly. Her "strategy" was so bad it almost bumped the Zimmerman story off the radar and prompted a personal responses from the President and the First Lady. It was a major fail and continuing to defend it is counter productive.

There's not much to defend. It's pretty much a yawner.

I was guilty of the same thing they did: I listened to the sound bites first, but got around later to the real exchange. This is a kerfuffle.

343 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:04:41am

re: #341 Decatur Deb

The do souffles at the International House of Prayer?

[Link: www.ihop.org...]

Praise The Lord And Pass The Syrup

344 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:05:52am

re: #340 Adam, Eve and Steve

Pointing out in the blogs that Rosen was right and Ann Romney does not represent an average working woman is completely legitimate, since it's true. However, politically Rosen made the wise decision (apology). Case closed. Let's continue discussing the Republican war on women.

Nein! We are not finished hanging this minor CNN talking head around Obama's neck!

345 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:06:24am

re: #344 Oblivious Troll

Or claiming that it constitutes 'spewing hate and bigotry'.

346 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:06:27am

re: #337 sattv4u2

What part of "//" didn't you understand?

So when you're sarcastic it means that you don't have to be accountable for the real meaning of the sarcasm?

What does Rosen's wealth have to do with this?

347 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:07:09am

About yesterday, the pit went after my kids when they were 2 yo. When she showed up last Thursday to get my puppy after the attack the pit came after her. Yesterday he told her that the dogs were friendly with people.

When he brought the dogs to the vet one of them went after someone's dog when they pulled up then inside one of the dogs tried to attack the secretary when she was filling out paperwork.

348 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:09:55am

re: #337 sattv4u2

What part of "//" didn't you understand?

Either your joke had a meaning or it didn't.

349 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:11:20am

Rosen saying she hasn't had to work a day in her life about a woman who is married to a $200m man is a reasonable response to the $200m man implying his wife is his adviser on women's issues. Ann Romney may have worked, and she may work really hard on raising her children. But she also has many more choices than the average woman does.

Saying she hasn't worked a day in her life in many other contexts would be an attack.

350 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:11:52am

If mothering is such hard work, why don't we mandate paid maternity leave like 178 other countries do?

351 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:12:42am

re: #346 Kronocide

re: #346 Kronocide

Meant that Rosen isn't as wealthy as the Romneys

Doesn't mean she isn't wealthy!


OUTRAGE!!

(geezzz)

352 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:12:44am

re: #287 allegro

My boys were attacked this way a couple of weeks ago by a neighbors pit who she let outside without tying him up. I was PISSED. She knows this dog is aggressive - hell, I knew he was the way he reacted when we walked by when he was chained. I was not amenable to her later apology due to her deliberate choice to let him out along with her other big dog who joined in the attack unchained. That makes it not an accident as she claimed but depraved indifference. Fortunately, they backed off when I started kicking them back so my boys suffered only minimal damage.

Those dogs are immediately euthanized and the owner is arrested in this area. What is the law there?

353 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:14:34am

re: #351 sattv4u2

Why does Rosen's wealth have anything to do with it?

354 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:15:01am

re: #351 sattv4u2

re: #346 Kronocide

Meant that Rosen isn't as wealthy as the Romneys

Doesn't mean she isn't wealthy!

OUTRAGE!!

(geezzz)

But Rosen's wealth or lack thereof is irrelevant.

355 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:15:38am

re: #353 Kronocide

Why does Rosen's wealth have anything to do with it?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I dunno

356 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:15:39am

re: #345 Obdicut

Or claiming that it constitutes 'spewing hate and bigotry'.

After nearly 5 years of spewing hatred and bigotry towards the Michelle and Barack Obama at longs last we've found one example, Hilary Rosen, that is equal to all of what was said to them before! This truly hurt not only Ann Romney but all stay at home moms but all women and men across the United States of America!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

357 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:16:38am

re: #354 Adam, Eve and Steve

But Rosen's wealth or lack thereof is irrelevant.

I'm not the one that introduced it

Go bark up someone else's tree!!

358 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:17:38am

re: #350 Oblivious Troll

If mothering is such hard work, why don't we mandate paid maternity leave like 178 other countries do?

Because socialism Democrats class warfare think of the producers, that's why.

359 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:17:41am

When are taxes due anyway, seem folks are getting testy!?

360 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:17:57am

re: #357 sattv4u2

I'm not the one that introduced it

Go bark up someone else's tree!!

You're writing about it for some reason as if this was an issue. To my knowledge nobody puts up Rosen as a representative of working women.

361 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:19:28am

re: #355 sattv4u2

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I dunno

You can't seem to ever communicate directly.

362 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:20:00am

re: #360 Adam, Eve and Steve

You're writing about it for some reason as if this was an issue. To my knowledge nobody puts up Rosen as a representative of working women.

I made an offhand JOKING comment,, ONE comment

CHARLES,,, please DELETE # 304

Seems as if it rankled some

363 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:20:32am

re: #362 sattv4u2

I made an offhand JOKING comment,, ONE comment

CHARLES,,, please DELETE # 304

Seems as if it rankled some

You seem angry. //

364 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:20:37am

re: #361 Kronocide

You can't seem to ever communicate directly.

You've been talking to my wife, huh!

365 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:21:03am

re: #361 Kronocide

You can't seem to ever communicate directly.

huh?

366 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:21:11am

re: #362 sattv4u2

I made an offhand JOKING comment,, ONE comment

CHARLES,,, please DELETE # 304

Seems as if it rankled some

Actually, you seem pretty rankled.

367 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:21:42am

re: #366 Kronocide

Actually, you seem pretty rankled.

Yeah,, I really should have ironed my jeans before I came to work today!

368 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:21:48am

Friday the 13th!

Bwahahaha...

369 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:22:03am

re: #364 sattv4u2

We are like two ships passing in the night!

370 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:22:08am

re: #296 Sionainn

Are your boys okay? Did you call animal control? WTF is wrong with people?!?

They're stupid and don't know how to properly care for a dog. Also, a bunch of asshole breeders worked hard to emphasize aggression in the pit bull breed, leading to a bunch of dogs that will attack people and other animals.

371 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:22:32am

re: #363 Adam, Eve and Steve

You seem angry. //

Thats because my country club only has plastic silverware!

372 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:22:48am

re: #363 Adam, Eve and Steve

You seem angry. //

(Eliza voice) Why do you think he sounds angry?.

373 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:22:57am

Why are you liberals conservatives so angry? //

374 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:23:36am

up up up

375 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:23:38am

We are leading parallel lives!

376 darthstar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:24:11am

Cory Booker is getting his own meme today...sheesh, the Newark Mayor just ran into a burning building and saved a woman, then tweeted about it...it's not like he did anything heroic.

When Chuck Norris has nightmares, Cory Booker turns on the light & sits with him until he falls back asleep. #CoryBookerStories

Still, some of the tweets are fun.

377 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:24:14am

re: #374 Adam, Eve and Steve

up up up

Dan Riehl wins the intertoobs again!

378 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:24:39am

re: #376 darthstar

Cory Booker is getting his own meme today...sheesh, the Newark Mayor just ran into a burning building and saved a woman, then tweeted about it...it's not like he did anything heroic.

Still, some of the tweets are fun.

Does this mean he'll get a key to the city?

//

379 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:25:26am

re: #369 Tommy's cone of shame

We are like to ships passing in the night!

;)

380 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:25:36am

re: #376 darthstar

They wanted to name a bridge after Chuck Norris, they didn't realize, nobody crosses Chuck Norris!

381 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:25:40am

re: #371 sattv4u2

Thats because my country club only has plastic silverware!

Speaking of which, today is the start of the 2-day Tri-state BBQ Festival. That's just like the Venice Biennale, except that it happens every year and involves pigs. MMmmm...beer tent.

382 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:35:25am

re: #376 darthstar

Cory Booker is getting his own meme today...sheesh, the Newark Mayor just ran into a burning building and saved a woman, then tweeted about it...it's not like he did anything heroic.

Still, some of the tweets are fun.

I follow him. I live right next door to Newark and I have yet to speak to anyone from there who likes him—I always get a grimace when I mention his name. He's seen (again, this is only by the people I've spoken with) as an opportunistic self-promoter.

He's an "outsider" (originally from D.C.), so not fully trusted to begin with, and his constant tweeting & on-camera face time make people feel that he doesn't really care about Newark and is only using it as a stepping stone in his quest for higher office.

IOW, he's the consummate politician, heh.

383 allegro  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:39:35am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

Those dogs are immediately euthanized and the owner is arrested in this area. What is the law there?

I'm honestly not sure about the laws though I imagine had I made a complaint some suffering would have ensued. For a single event that I was able to stop before my dogs or I were hurt and, as far as I know, there have been no other incidences here in the park with others, I am willing to cautiously let it go this time. Another incident and there will be an unfortunate price that I would hate to see paid.

What's actually a bit funny, for lack of a better word, two days later I was walking my kids and ANOTHER dog attacked Buddy. This one had been tied but pulled the stake right out of the ground. Buddy gave as good as he got and it was only a minor scuffle but damn. The owners gushed apologies especially since they had witnessed the previous attack. I didn't get too upset because this one really was an accident on their part.

384 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:48:31am

re: #383 allegro

I'm honestly not sure about the laws though I imagine had I made a complaint some suffering would have ensued. For a single event that I was able to stop before my dogs or I were hurt and, as far as I know, there have been no other incidences here in the park with others, I am willing to cautiously let it go this time. Another incident and there will be an unfortunate price that I would hate to see paid.

What's actually a bit funny, for lack of a better word, two days later I was walking my kids and ANOTHER dog attacked Buddy. This one had been tied but pulled the stake right out of the ground. Buddy gave as good as he got and it was only a minor scuffle but damn. The owners gushed apologies especially since they had witnessed the previous attack. I didn't get too upset because this one really was an accident on their part.

An older dog I used to have was attacked by German Shepherd one time when the people who were walking their dog broke the leash and ran into are yard. My wife look outside when she heard the commotion and saw the Shepherd tossing my dog around like a chew toy. My dog survived and I also treated this as an accident. Sometime shit happens. The neighbor's dogs went too far and he is definitely responsible.

385 sunnygal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 10:27:46am

Not only does the bill not provide for abortions when there are severe abnormalities, undiscoverable until later in the pregnancy, it requires that the gestation be calculated from the first day of the woman's last period, which is two weeks before a pregnancy usually occurs, meaning abortions are prohibited after 18 weeks.

I am so sick of these right-wing religious wackos dictating social policy. And, women are most often those at the receiving end of these intrusive laws. If you are sick of it, too, please show up at your state's march or rally on Saturday, April 28. Enough is enough. Enough is enough.

386 labman57  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:15:24pm

Perhaps these medically illiterate legislators viewed the movie Minority Report a few too many times.

Once again, socially conservative (read "regressive") politicians are demonstrating their unwillingness to do their homework before taking a stand on important policy positions affecting entire subsets of Americans. Lord knows we don't want to be informed about the fundamentals of human biology when creating legislation that would impact the health and well-being of women.

So for women living in Arizona who wish to have an abortion, Governor Palpatine's advise to you is: BYOCH*

* bring your own coat hanger

Of course, the "life begins at the end of the menstrual cycle" component of this bill is also extremely problematic -- the implication is that any female who ovulates and does not engage in intercourse in an effort to become pregnant is guilty of premeditated murder. Have a period, go to prison.

387 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:21:36pm

re: #16 funky chicken

Forcing women to carry to term and deliver is riskier than regulated late term abortion, at least from everything I've read. Unbelievable.

gender traitors are a kick, aren't they?

don't worry ladies! The nice republicans will make sure all your decisions are made for you!


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