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Roger Ailes on Soledad O’Brien: ‘That Girl That’s Named After a Prison’

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It’s interesting to see the same weird, bigoted memes emerge simultaneously at both the top and the bottom of the right wing food chain.

Emerging from the bottom, a comment posted at Breitbart.com in their ongoing series of attacks on CNN anchor Soledad O’Brien:

“Soledad.” One helluva sexy name — that is, until you’re reminded of that maximum security prison she was named after.

And from the top, Fox News chief Roger Ailes: Soledad O’Brien Was ‘Named After a Prison’.

Roger Ailes made a jaw-dropping comment about CNN’s Soledad O’Brien during a college lecture on Thursday night.

The Fox News chief was speaking to journalism students at the University of North Carolina. In the question-and-answer segment of the talk, he referred to O’Brien as “that girl that’s named after a prison.”

Ailes was referring to the Soledad Correctional Facility in Monterey County, California. CNN responded to the remark on Friday. An insider told The Huffington Post, “Roger is wrong. Soledad is named after the Virgin Mary, ‘Maria de la Soledad.’ It’s a name her parents gave her in part because they met at Daily Mass.”

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326 comments

1 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:37:34pm

As the daughter and granddaughter of Catholics, I'm actually pretty pissed off about this. Also his use of 'girl' to refer to a forty-five-year-old journalist.

2 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:37:48pm

Of course, that means Roger was named after a British slang term for having sex.

3 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:37:54pm

Why does the right-wing hate the Virgin Mary?

//

4 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:38:14pm

The sheer amount of bile and hate these people live with on a daily basis is just sad.

5 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:39:39pm

re: #2 Kragar

Of course, that means Roger was named after a British slang term for having sex.

Well, he could be named 'John Thomas".

6 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:41:15pm

And what about that potato dish she's named after?

Now I'm hungry.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:42:31pm

La Misión de María Santísima, Nuestra Señora Dolorosísima de la Soledad

The padres named it after the prison over the hill.

8 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:43:58pm

Stupid.

9 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:44:03pm

OH EM GEE SHE IS NAMED AFTER A PRISON AND ALSO AFTER THE CHIEF ANTAGONIST IN ORWELL'S NINTEEN EIGHTY-FOUR WHICH I HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY READ BUT MY FRIEND ON PRISONPLANET.COM MADE ME A COOL FORUM AVATAR THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT BIG BROTHER WHICH IS HOW YOU CAN TELL I'M NOT A SHEEPLE

10 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:44:28pm

If Ailes was trying to be funny, we call that an epic fail. If he was serious, we also call that an epic fail.

11 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:44:36pm
13 Mentis Fugit  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:46:33pm

re: #2 Kragar

Of course, that means Roger was named after a British slang term for having sex.

And Ailes, meaning "to become ill."

Therefore, Roger Ailes = Fucking Sick.

I like this game.

14 blueraven  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:47:22pm

I blame Mitt Romney!

15 jaunte  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:48:28pm
It’s interesting to see the same weird, bigoted memes emerge...
“that girl that’s named after a prison.”

The voracious appetite for this kind of mean-spirited dopiness among the right wing is always surprising.

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:50:20pm

re: #10 _RememberTonyC

If Ailes was trying to be funny, we call that an epic fail. If he was serious, we also call that an epic fail.

One presumes he knows better, but it's 'a funny', both because it allows them to be dismissive of her, obnoxious about her funny non-Anglo name, and because it raises echoes of the 'black people give their kids funny stupid names, she was probably named after the prison because people in her family were in there, har har' kind of joke that too many of Ailes' commenters like.

I don't think I read too much in here.

17 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:50:24pm

re: #15 jaunte

The voracious appetite for this kind of mean-spirited dopiness among the right wing is always surprising.

Do you live in a gated hippie commune? Mean-spirited dopiness is the first requirement in the rwnj specification.

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:51:24pm
19 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:52:31pm

And when the boss is toxic, the corporate culture remains toxic. Rotten top (Ailes) to bottom (comments). I think I know what ails them. Ailes.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:52:38pm
21 Kruk  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:52:43pm

There's a saying about glass houses and stones. The conservatives have:

-Dick Armey
-Dick Cheney
-John Bohener
-The Kochs
-The Bush
-Teabaggers

23 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:53:39pm

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

One presumes he knows better, but it's 'a funny', both because it allows them to be dismissive of her, obnoxious about her funny non-Anglo name, and because it raises echoes of the 'black people give their kids funny stupid names, she was probably named after the prison because people in her family were in there, har har' kind of joke that too many of Ailes' commenters like.

I don't think I read too much in here.

you're right ..... and his sense of humor leaves much to be desired ...

24 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:53:51pm
25 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:54:16pm

re: #21 Kruk

There's a saying about glass houses and stones. The conservatives have:

-Dick Armey
-Dick Cheney
-John Bohener
-The Kochs
-The Bush
-Teabaggers

Dick Armey before he dicks you ....

26 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:54:33pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

As the daughter and granddaughter of Catholics, I'm actually pretty pissed off about this. Also his use of 'girl' to refer to a forty-five-year-old journalist.

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

One presumes he knows better, but it's 'a funny', both because it allows them to be dismissive of her, obnoxious about her funny non-Anglo name, and because it raises echoes of the 'black people give their kids funny stupid names, she was probably named after the prison because people in her family were in there, har har' kind of joke that too many of Ailes' commenters like.

I don't think I read too much in here.

The feminine version of "boy" that bigots and racists love to demean black men with.

Just say the N-word, Roger; you know you want to.

27 Batman  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:54:36pm

re: #21 Kruk

What about Newt? Too bad he never got better. Ahem.

28 darthstar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:54:53pm

These guys are the reason the Virgin Mary couldn't get pre-natal care.

29 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:54:58pm
30 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:55:29pm

In Japan they name cities after beers and motorcycles!

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:55:49pm

re: #22 Gus


Looks like the singer Soledad Pastorutti from Argentina was also named after the same prison!

There's something about Soledad Prison that brings out the poet in everyone. Folks look at that bleak bunch of concrete blocks and think, "I have GOT to name my daughter after that godforsaken correctional facility."

32 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:55:49pm

Breaking: Roger Ailes insults Catholics.

33 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:58:27pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

As the daughter and granddaughter of Catholics, I'm actually pretty pissed off about this. Also his use of 'girl' to refer to a forty-five-year-old journalist.

Yeah, that struck me, too.

34 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:58:36pm
35 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:00:24pm

re: #33 Bulworth

Yeah, that struck me, too.

To be a bit fair to the devil, she does pull off the "everybody's kid sister' bit to very good effect.

36 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:02:35pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

To be a bit fair to the devil, she does pull off the "everybody's kid sister' bit to very good effect.

I know you're playing devil's advocate here, but the cynic in me thinks that ain't what Ailes was riffing on with that "girl" comment of his.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:03:05pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

To be a bit fair to the devil, she does pull off the "everybody's kid sister' bit to very good effect.

Well, yes, and she's young enough to be his daughter, but I'm not in a charitable mood. If he'd called her a girl while saying something nice, maybe.

38 makeitstop  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:03:08pm

Sorry to go OT so soon (and apologies is this has been brought up), but...

Nazis get their own lobbyist on Capitol Hill

39 jaunte  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:03:17pm

News about that planet that's named after an ancient Greek sky deity:
Hubble Reveals Curious Auroras on Uranus

40 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:03:24pm

Lou Gehrig died from Lou Gehrig's disease.. Whats the chance of that? /

41 darthstar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:04:19pm

re: #40 Mich-again

Lou Gehrig died from Lou Gehrig's disease.. Whats the chance of that? /

I heard he got it from having unprotected sex with Lou Gehrig.

42 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:04:32pm

Off to the opening concert of the BBQ festival. Gotta see a man about a pig. BBL

43 darthstar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:05:28pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

Off to the opening concert of the BBQ festival. Gotta see a man about a pig. BBL

mmm....pig.

44 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:05:54pm

“Soledad.” One helluva sexy name — that is, until you’re reminded of that maximum security prison she was named after.

hey, the last president was named after george of the jungle, wasn't he?

45 darthstar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:06:52pm

re: #44 engineer cat

“Soledad.” One helluva sexy name — that is, until you’re reminded of that maximum security prison she was named after.

hey, the last president was named after george of the jungle, wasn't he?

Nope...he was named after ground cover.

46 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:07:00pm

Wonder how the RWNJ discovered there was a prison by that name to compare her to?

47 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:07:31pm

re: #43 darthstar

mmm...pig.

This year is going to be a good one--National TV coverage, 70 competitors, and the winner goes to the Nationals. Myron Mixon is here, the Mickey Mantle of charcoal.

48 Kruk  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:07:36pm

re: #38 makeitstop

Sorry to go OT so soon (and apologies is this has been brought up), but...

Nazis get their own lobbyist on Capitol Hill

That lobbyist's mother must be so proud...

49 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:09:26pm

Tornado on the ground in OK, according to CNN. Of course, it's Breaking News, so this may have happened four or five hours ago for all I know...

Seriously, though, be safe Okie lizards.

50 Gus  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:10:34pm

Bigot.

51 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:20:00pm

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

One presumes he knows better, but it's 'a funny', both because it allows them to be dismissive of her, obnoxious about her funny non-Anglo name, and because it raises echoes of the 'black people give their kids funny stupid names, she was probably named after the prison because people in her family were in there, har har' kind of joke that too many of Ailes' commenters like.

I don't think I read too much in here.

That's how I read it. Remember that the Breitbart.com comment I posted was in a thread full of overtly racist comments too.

52 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:23:51pm

CNN is laughing now knowing that when Soledad's contract comes up for renewal her threatening to leave to go to Fox News is likely a bluff./

53 blueraven  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:24:09pm

I'm sure this will be all over twitter, the cable news and spark a searing debate about Mitt Romney's position on "girls" named Soledad.

//

54 dragonfire1981  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:25:07pm

If I was journalism professor, Ailes would be the LAST person I'd want speaking to my students.

55 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:25:58pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

Oh I don't know. It would prompt one hell of a discussion around professional ethics.

56 dragonfire1981  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:26:09pm

Quick, someone fnd a right winger named Alcatraz!

57 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:28:04pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

If I was journalism professor, Ailes would be the LAST person I'd want speaking to my students.

But then you'd miss out on all that tasty journalistic balance.

58 darthstar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:28:07pm

re: #52 Petero1818

CNN is laughing now knowing that when Soledad's contract comes up for renewal her threatening to leave to go to Fox News is likely a bluff./

She's too smart for Fox. MSNBC would take her though.

59 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:28:56pm

re: #58 darthstar

She's too smart for Fox. MSNBC would take her though.

She needs to be more blonde.

60 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:31:51pm

WOW! A tornado just went by here in Norman, OK. I know you aren't supposed to be outside watching but I couldn't help myself.

61 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:32:29pm

re: #60 HoosierHoops

WOW! A tornado just went by here in Norman, OK.

So what city did you start in?
/

62 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:33:11pm

re: #60 HoosierHoops

Yeah, same here. I got the rain, but I didn't see the Tornado. Apparently, there may have been 2 of them.

I'm safe.

63 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:33:14pm

re: #60 HoosierHoops

Damn dude be careful!

64 RadicalModerate  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:34:11pm

His comments about the FoxNews "mole" are pretty jawdroppingly stupid as well.

He condemned the Fox News mole, the former employee who was fired after writing anonymous posts about the network. “The mole shows a culture that believes in theft, a lack of loyalty, turning on his colleagues, lying to management, and there are some real, ethical, serious questions about it,” Ailes said.

And we know that NewsCorp would never, EVER engage in any unethical activites.

Right, Roger?

65 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:34:34pm

re: #60 HoosierHoops

WOW! A tornado just went by here in Norman, OK. I know you aren't supposed to be outside watching but I couldn't help myself.

Way to totally ignore my sound advice. :P

re: #49 Oblivious Troll

Tornado on the ground in OK, according to CNN. Of course, it's Breaking News, so this may have happened four or five hours ago for all I know...

Seriously, though, be safe Okie lizards.

66 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:34:39pm

Its not the first time Roger Ailes has used the lame tactic to insult someone with a play on words with their name..

In early 2007, Ailes joked about the similarity of Obama's name to a certain terrorist's. "It is true that Barack Obama is on the move," Ailes said in a speech to news executives. "I don't know if it's true that President Bush called Musharraf and said, 'Why can't we catch this guy?'" References to Obama's middle name were soon being bandied about on Fox & Friends, the morning happy-talk show that Ailes uses as one of his primary vehicles to inject his venom into the media bloodstream.

67 sagehen  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:35:10pm

re: #44 engineer cat

“Soledad.” One helluva sexy name — that is, until you’re reminded of that maximum security prison she was named after.

hey, the last president was named after george of the jungle, wasn't he?

no, Curious George.

See, lefties used to call Bush a monkey, so it can't be racist!!

68 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:35:28pm

re: #62 ProGunLiberal

Yeah, same here. I got the rain, but I didn't see the Tornado. Apparently, there may have been 2 of them.

I'm safe.

Good Bro...I saw it go by the water tower off Lindsey Street.

69 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:35:43pm

re: #66 Mich-again

To be fair, I've made some jokes about the name "Willard."

70 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:35:57pm

re: #65 Oblivious Troll

I was worse.

I went Driving. It hit the North End of Campus. I'm going to go out and see the effects in a bit.

71 darthstar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:37:07pm

re: #69 ReamWorks SKG

To be fair, I've made some jokes about the name "Willard."

Willard's a rat.

Image: Willard_1971.jpg

72 makeitstop  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:38:15pm

re: #64 RadicalModerate

His comments about the FoxNews "mole" are pretty jawdroppingly stupid as well.

And we know that NewsCorp would never, EVER engage in any unethical activites.

Right, Roger?

The Gawker post where he identifies himself is pretty interesting. You can almost pick out the Fox News employees in the comments with your eyes closed.

73 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:39:26pm

HH glad you are ok.

74 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:39:34pm

Roger Ailes = Serial Ogre

75 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:39:59pm

re: #60 HoosierHoops

WOW! A tornado just went by here in Norman, OK. I know you aren't supposed to be outside watching but I couldn't help myself.

Tornados ain't shit. I guarantee you cut a tornado in the face he'll be all ...

Tornados are snitches.

76 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:40:47pm

re: #70 ProGunLiberal

I think I registered a 8.3 on the Derpometer. What do you all think?

77 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:47:26pm

If you don't have your hang glider with you when you run off to see a tornado, you're not really being adventurous.

78 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:50:24pm

re: #68 HoosierHoops

Good Bro...I saw it go by the water tower off Lindsey Street.

I'm too round for a tornado to pick up.

79 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:52:24pm

Someday soon the GOP will realize that Fox News led conservatives right off the rails and into the ditch. And then they will probably make up a conspiracy theory blaming George Soros et al for being the ones who were really pulling the strings at Fox News..

80 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:52:39pm

re: #60 HoosierHoops

WOW! A tornado just went by here in Norman, OK. I know you aren't supposed to be outside watching but I couldn't help myself.

I remember looking out a basement window at like 8 to 10 years old or so and seeing that cloud looking like it was out there hunting for us. It ended up jumping over the hill like the always did but still it was a weird feeling.

Lost a whole lot of trees that day but no buildings.

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:54:25pm

you mean this greasy republican piece of shit acts like a piece of shit?

who could have seen that coming

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:54:58pm

re: #79 Mich-again

Someday soon the GOP will realize that Fox News led conservatives right off the rails and into the ditch. And then they will probably make up a conspiracy theory blaming George Soros et al for being the ones who were really pulling the strings at Fox News..

There are times when I really do wonder if Murdoch's real purpose in life is to destroy the American republic via Fox News & Fox Entertainment...

83 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:55:56pm

re: #72 makeitstop

The Gawker post where he identifies himself is pretty interesting. You can almost pick out the Fox News employees in the comments with your eyes closed.

I find the first comment there by a FOX employee fascinating. It's more or less what I expected, but it's nice to see it confirmed - the newsroom is, by and large, ordinary people, who rationalise to themselves that selling fear and hatred to nuts is an okay way to make a living, and do so with full awareness that that's what they're doing. And shrug helplessly when the truly hideous decisions come down from on high.

84 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:57:01pm

Okay, I need to spell this out.

What...
The...
Fuck...?

On Monday, Romney will be the beneficiary of a fundraiser that is being hosted for him by Fred Malek. Who is Malek? He is the former President of Marriott Hotels and Northwest Airlines; former assistant to U.S. Presidents Richard Nixon and H.W. Bush; and former National Finance Committee Co-Chair for John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign.
Fred Malek is also part of a group of men who were arrested after killing and barbecuing a dog in a city park in Peoria, IL.
....
In 1959, Malek and four other men in their 20s were arrested at 2 a.m. in a Peoria park when police found them covered in blood. Police found a skinned animal on a spit. Malek said he had nothing to do with the dog killing.

85 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:58:44pm

re: #83 Renaissance_Man

I find the first comment there by a FOX employee fascinating. It's more or less what I expected, but it's nice to see it confirmed - the newsroom is, by and large, ordinary people, who rationalise to themselves that selling fear and hatred to nuts is an okay way to make a living, and do so with full awareness that that's what they're doing. And shrug helplessly when the truly hideous decisions come down from on high.

at the end of their life, they can reflect about how they chose poorly regarding employment, and the sum total of all their effort equaled making people a little bit more stupid and hateful


(or maybe well, if they rose through the ranks of swine to become another fox heavyweight peddling evil)

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 2:59:47pm

re: #84 Oblivious Troll


He was in the nixon administration, the dog got off lucky

87 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:04:53pm
88 darthstar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:07:39pm

re: #87 Kragar

Newt Gingrich rents donor list to raise cash

Newt would rent out Callista if he could.

89 andres  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:08:23pm

re: #76 ProGunLiberal

Not among my top 5 most reckless way to defy the weather. My top 5 include:

* Surfing during a category 4 hurricane.
* Going for a walk during the calm period of a hurricane.
* Walking beside a river hours after a hurricane.
* Run out of the house during an earthquake.

90 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:08:50pm

re: #84 Oblivious Troll

Okay, I need to spell this out.

What...
The...
Fuck...?

Fred Malek is Nixon's notorious "Jew-counter". Niiice...

91 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:13:44pm

Definition of AIL

transitive verb
: to give physical or emotional pain, discomfort, or trouble to

intransitive verb
: to have something the matter; especially : to suffer ill health

So putting an 'es' at the end just means it is plural?

92 RadicalModerate  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:13:48pm

I see that Romney decided to kick off the "non-primary" part of his presidential campaign by speaking to the most paranoid, conspiracy-minded group that he could find:

In an address to the National Rifle Association's convention billed by Romney's advisers as a launch of his general election campaign, Romney said Obama's attack on freedom is to blame for the country's slow economic recovery from recession.

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:15:33pm

these kids rule

they even got the synth patch nailed for the song, righteous and adorable

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:19:05pm

re: #93 windupbird is in the gravity well

these kids rule

[Embedded content] they even got the synth patch nailed for the song, righteous and adorable

Aww. Замечательно.

95 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:19:48pm
96 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:21:05pm

re: #13 Mentis Fugit

And Ailes, meaning "to become ill."

Therefore, Roger Ailes = Fucking Sick.

I like this game.

GMTA

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:21:15pm

re: #93 windupbird is in the gravity well

I'm glad they did Sonne as well:

98 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:23:06pm
99 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:27:34pm

re: #93 windupbird is in the gravity well

these kids rule

[Embedded content] they even got the synth patch nailed for the song, righteous and adorable

re: #97 Adam, Eve and Steve

I'm glad they did Sonne as well:

[Embedded content]

Just like the first time I saw the Ramones! When it's time for lyrics, the guitar has to stop.

100 jaunte  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:28:07pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Laurent Lamy: Uranus’ magnetosphere is “very poorly known.”

101 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:34:01pm

Aren't right wingers for prisons? Where do they think all the people police arrest end up? Shouldn't it be like a badge of honor to have a prison named after someone? Even though their assertion is another in a long string of lies.

102 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:38:23pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Auroras Seen Dancing Around On Uranus
heh

Silly scientists... those aren't "Auroras".

What we're seeing on Uranus are sugar plum fairies dancing:

103 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:44:41pm

re: #102 freetoken

Silly scientists... those aren't "Auroras".

What we're seeing on Uranus are sugar plum fairies dancing:

[Embedded content]

Thats science!

104 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:47:44pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

As the daughter and granddaughter of Catholics, I'm actually pretty pissed off about this. Also his use of 'girl' to refer to a forty-five-year-old journalist.

He is a PIG.

105 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:55:26pm

Gosh could Ailes be any more of a dick? Stay classy Roger. By the way, I always thought Soledad was a beautiful name. Didn't know it was religious in origin.

106 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:57:42pm

Ooohhh... thunder. I think it's about to pour rain here. The RADAR tells me so. We don't get thunder here too often.

107 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 3:58:57pm

re: #89 andres

I did Number 4 during the incedent last semester.

The Tornado did a "n" shaped track, sort of.

108 Mattand  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:00:39pm
In the question-and-answer segment of the talk, he referred to O’Brien as “that girl that’s named after a prison.”

Okay, Roger, and your surname is a verb for something that's ill with disease. What's your fucking point?

I swear to God, listening to a American modern conservative is like listening to angry three-year-old. It's like what Rachel Maddow has been pointing out lately; the whole "insist your opponent has the same problems as you do, whether or not it's true."

Interesting window into how conservative memes are generated, at any rate.

109 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:01:10pm

re: #106 freetoken

Passed it on south to you! Nice lightning too!

110 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:01:34pm

re: #108 mattand

Okay, Roger, and your surname is a verb for something that's ill with disease. What's your fucking point?

I swear to God, listening to a American modern conservative is like listening to angry three-year-old. It's like what Rachel Maddow has been pointing out lately; the whole "insist your opponent has the same problems as you do, whether or not it's true."

Interesting window into how conservative memes are generated, at any rate.

That's an awesome description really.

111 Mattand  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:02:53pm

re: #13 Mentis Fugit

Sorry, didn't see you covered the "ail" thing so early in the thread. Oh well, great minds and all that...

112 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:02:55pm

re: #106 freetoken

You must be in OK then. Where?

113 eneri  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:03:52pm

I have wondered for a while if they get weekly memo? All of them discuss (rant) about the same things, even use the same words.

114 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:06:06pm

For some reason, Romney blathered about contraception to the NRA (huh?) and managed to leave out his own record on the topic.

[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

A 2002 Massachusetts law imposed the same requirement on religiously affiliated hospitals in the state, and as governor, Romney neither abolished it nor objected to it on grounds of religious liberty.

115 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:06:17pm

re: #112 ProGunLiberal

You must be in OK then. Where?

Oh no, I'm in San Diego county. We're getting a late (for us) rain.

116 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:07:34pm

re: #114 Obdicut

For some reason, Romney blathered about contraception to the NRA (huh?) and managed to leave out his own record on the topic.

[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I bet the NRA was pissed. Why isn't he telling us about how Obama's taking away our guns?

117 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:08:40pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

I bet the NRA was pissed. Why isn't he telling us about how Obama's taking away our guns?

No, the NRA's position is that Obama's tactic of not taking away anyone's guns is a sure-fire sign that he has a secret plan to take away everyone's guns.

118 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:09:17pm

re: #117 Obdicut

No, the NRA's position is that Obama's tactic of not taking away anyone's guns is a sure-fire sign that he has a secret plan to take away everyone's guns.

That's right. I had forgotten Wayne LaPierre's moronic statements at CPAC.

119 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:11:25pm

According to MSN, a trending story today:

Brother-sister couple fail in fight against anti-incest laws

The European Court of Human Rights has decided to keep incest in Germany illegal, citing the damages inbreeding can cause to offspring. The ECHR was prodded into making such a seemingly obvious statement because of a brother-sister couple who says their home country of Germany had no right to penalize their relationship. The pair did not grow up together, but met in their 20s after the brother, who had been adopted, tracked down his biological family, and they now have four children, two of whom are described as having "disabilities." Surprisingly, if the court had overturned the ban, it would not be the first European effort to decriminalize incest: France doesn't prosecute such relationships, and Sweden allows half-siblings to marry.

I wonder if the SoCons could get Mitt to make a campaign issue out of this...

120 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:12:10pm

Irene was retired today from the list of Hurricanes, after its run last year that caused $15.6 Billion in the US, and $3.1 Billion in the Caribbean (including Puerto Rico), for a total of $18.6 Billion.

121 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:12:43pm

The French love Obama.
Obama loves the French.
The French don't prosecute consensual incest.


Therefore, Obama is trying to shove incest down our throats!

122 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:13:14pm

re: #119 freetoken

According to MSN, a trending story today:

Brother-sister couple fail in fight against anti-incest laws

I wonder if the SoCons could get Mitt to make a campaign issue out of this...

Noticed several days ago. Totally stupid, of course. Consensual sexual relations between adults, period.

Now, when they lead to disabled babies being born it's another thing, there could be laws punishing those instances. But not the relations themselves.

123 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:14:10pm

re: #122 Adam, Eve and Steve

Noticed several days ago. Totally stupid, of course. Consensual sexual relations between adults, period.

Now, when they lead to disabled babies being born it's another thing, there could be laws punishing those instances. But not the relations themselves.

According to the story, they've already had two children with "disabilities".

124 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:14:32pm

re: #123 freetoken

According to the story, they've already had two children with "disabilities".

I know.

125 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:14:40pm

Is dark... but where is the rain?

Big Thundercloud is deceiving me.

126 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:15:47pm

re: #124 Adam, Eve and Steve

It's difficult to restrict incest on the grounds that it can produce disabled children without also setting precedent for banning, say, two genetically-congenitally deaf people having children together.

127 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:15:52pm

re: #125 freetoken

Is dark... but where is the rain?

Big Thundercloud is deceiving me.

I just drove through the first cell. Freeway flooded in places, wind blowing like crazy, tree limbs in the lanes and everyone was hydroplaning.

But I made it!

128 funky chicken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:16:03pm

re: #92 RadicalModerate

I do wish they would enumerate whose freedom Obama has attacked.

129 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:16:21pm

re: #122 Adam, Eve and Steve

Noticed several days ago. Totally stupid, of course. Consensual sexual relations between adults, period.

Now, when they lead to disabled babies being born it's another thing, there could be laws punishing those instances. But not the relations themselves.

Wait... what do you mean by "laws punishing those instances" it sounds like you're going to end up punishing people who have already just gone through the horror of having a disadvantaged child which strikes me as a touch heartless....


Wouldn't it be more humane (but granted more awkward) just to insist that if brother and sister couple want to get married she has to get her tubes tied or something?

130 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:16:45pm

Mitt filed a tax extention. ha.

131 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:17:44pm

re: #126 Obdicut

It's difficult to restrict incest on the grounds that it can produce disabled children without also setting precedent for banning, say, two genetically-congenitally deaf people having children together.

Good point, and this can be further debated, legitimately so. The point stands: consensual sexual relations between adults should be legal.

132 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:18:14pm

re: #126 Obdicut

It's difficult to restrict incest on the grounds that it can produce disabled children without also setting precedent for banning, say, two genetically-congenitally deaf people having children together.

Actually its a bit more awkward than that, because last time I checked thanks to cochlear implants and all we're getting pretty good at curing genetically passed on deafness....

Of course then you have the issue of parents who don't want their kids to get the implants made more awkward by the fact that they need to get them early in life (well before they're of legal age) to get the real benefit out of them...

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:18:38pm

re: #129 jamesfirecat

Again, another good point. I'm not dogmatic on the secondary points.

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:19:50pm

re: #129 jamesfirecat

Note however, that we're not talking about marriage.

135 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:22:08pm

BTW, the first time I began reading that story, I immediately thought "Must have been reared apart". And of course they were.

136 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:22:18pm

re: #131 Adam, Eve and Steve

I think there's societal argument for disallowing 'normal' incest, because it normally involves a power imbalance of some sort. But these people didn't grow up together. Biologically, they weren't programmed to avoid this-- we gain our aversion to incest by being raised together.

However, having children together was massively irresponsible. On the other hand, I do feel that way about people with known significant genetic defects who choose to have children.

It's all a big sticky mess, and the only thing I think is that jail time is probably not going to improve anything for anyone.

137 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:23:23pm

re: #125 freetoken

Headed your way! We had almost an inch.
Clouds are now scudding through blueing skies.
( I LOVE the word scudding!)

138 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:23:49pm

re: #135 Adam, Eve and Steve

BTW, the first time I began reading that story, I immediately thought "Must have been reared apart". And of course they were.

Could be a lot of that going around.

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:24:00pm

re: #136 Obdicut

Power balance is not an argument to outlaw incest unless you also want to outlaw a middle-aged millionaire bonking 18 y.o. women.

140 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:24:35pm

re: #135 Adam, Eve and Steve

BTW, the first time I began reading that story, I immediately thought "Must have been reared apart". And of course they were.

Yeah, I remember reading somewhere that when we're first born growing up, women around us give off this hormone that causes us to be resistant to becoming sexually attracted to them. Does anybody else recall coming across something like that?

141 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:24:50pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

Could be a lot of that going around.

I read that sexual attraction between siblings reared apart is especially strong.

142 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:25:11pm

re: #139 Adam, Eve and Steve

Or any other Dominant/submissive relationship.

143 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:26:44pm

re: #141 Adam, Eve and Steve

I read that sexual attraction between siblings reared apart is especially strong.

As a woman with three brothers, I find that sort of horrifying. Good argument for interracial relationships.

144 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:27:19pm

re: #139 Adam, Eve and Steve

Power balance is not an argument to outlaw incest unless you also want to outlaw a middle-aged millionaire bonking 18 y.o. women.

Well, it's a very different sort of power imbalance. There isn't anything like a familial relation. I'm not saying all relationships involving a power imbalance ought to be prohibited, but that you can argue that familial relations would constitute ones that do.

The main reason I care about it is for parent-child incest, where it's far more likely to have begun in coercion and continue in the shadow of that coercion, and that can be impossible to prove due to, well, the coercion.

145 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:29:09pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

As a woman with three brothers, I find that sort of horrifying. Good argument for interracial relationships.

I don't have any sisters, so the idea of incest has always just been academic to me. It does seem weird to me given that the way I view my brothers is distinctly different than any other human beings.

They are goddamn awesome, and I'm glad to have 'em.

146 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:29:56pm
anrachan asked: Yo, how do I know if I am changing people's hearts, or if they are just learning to keep their racist mouths shut because I'll be an asshole if they don't?

Yo, honestly, both of those scenarios actually constitute progress, so don’t trip too hard trying to figure out which is happening.

147 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:30:45pm

re: #137 Dancing along the light of day

Headed your way!

I wish it worked that way. Rainfall is highly irregular and local rain down here is strongly influenced by the elevation and relationship to the hills. Where I am at sort of fits into a wedge of slightly lower rainfall than just a mile or two to the east of me, or to the north.

148 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:33:04pm

re: #144 Obdicut

I'm not saying all relationships involving a power imbalance ought to be prohibited, but that you can argue that familial relations would constitute ones that do.

I don't see why that would be so, though. Posing a possibility that there can be no consent between close relatives does not amount to showing that it is true. And until this vague concept is proven, there is no case for denying consenting adults their rights.

The main reason I care about it is for parent-child incest, where it's far more likely to have begun in coercion and continue in the shadow of that coercion, and that can be impossible to prove due to, well, the coercion.

I don't foresee epidemic outbursts of such cases. Shit that always happened will continue to happen. And punishing people who do it without any sort of abuse because of a vague possibility of such a scenario is not fair.

149 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:35:06pm

re: #145 Obdicut

I don't have any sisters, so the idea of incest has always just been academic to me. It does seem weird to me given that the way I view my brothers is distinctly different than any other human beings.

They are goddamn awesome, and I'm glad to have 'em.

My brothers are mostly awesome, my three sisters are OK but tend towards evil. Especially one of 'em. I don't totally blame her though, I know her (our) mother. My 55 year old brother recently started asking me questions about our childhood to try to figure out his weird emotional reactions to things. Better late than never!

150 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:35:42pm

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

One presumes he knows better, but it's 'a funny', both because it allows them to be dismissive of her, obnoxious about her funny non-Anglo name, and because it raises echoes of the 'black people give their kids funny stupid names, she was probably named after the prison because people in her family were in there, har har' kind of joke that too many of Ailes' commenters like.

I don't think I read too much in here.

I don't think you do either. Ms. O'Brien is a strong, educated, successful woman and the only people degraded by the cheap shots are those firing them at her. Soledad is a beautiful name, both in sound and in meaning, and no amount of wingnut nastiness can make it any less so.

Sadly, she had to learn to deal with this sort of thing along ago:

Survival of the Fittest
I'm 11. My sister Estela is 14. We're at a photo studio in Smithtown, N.Y., not that far from where we live. The photographer says, "Forgive me if I'm offending you, but are you black?" I turn the comment over in my head. I'm trying to figure out why these nice-sounding words make me feel small and embarrassed. Estela, light years ahead of me, starts to shred the guy. "Offend us? Offend us? By asking if we are black?" He's white, and we're two mixed-race girls trying to get our picture taken as an anniversary present for our parents. It's 1977. I'm this cheery, optimistic kid who suddenly feels quite sunk. [...]

151 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:38:20pm

re: #148 Adam, Eve and Steve

I don't see why that would be so, though. Posing a possibility that there can be no consent between close relatives does not amount to showing that it is true. And until this vague concept is proven, there is no case for denying consenting adults their rights.

I didn't say there couldn't be consent between close relatives, though.

I don't foresee epidemic outbursts of such cases. Shit that always happened will continue to happen. And punishing people who do it without any sort of abuse because of a vague possibility of such a scenario is not fair.

I don't think it's possible for there to be parent-child incest that's without abuse, actually. If you do, we disagree strongly on that. I don't think that it's a vague possibility that, if incest were fully legal, there would be parent-child relationships that were coercive, either.

152 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:42:31pm

re: #151 Obdicut

I didn't say there couldn't be consent between close relatives, though.

I don't think it's possible for there to be parent-child incest that's without abuse, actually. If you do, we disagree strongly on that. I don't think that it's a vague possibility that, if incest were fully legal, there would be parent-child relationships that were coercive, either.

The only possible parent child incest situation I could even mentally imagine that wouldn't involve abuse would be the kind where the child was conceived by the parent who was a teenager at the time and then gave the child up for adoption and thus had NOTHING at all do to with raising them and they meet up again a few decades down the line without realizing their genetic relationship ahead of time.

But yeah if you were involved in raising a child you can't have any sort of sexual relationship with that child without it being all sorts of sick and wrong...

153 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:44:16pm

re: #152 jamesfirecat

Oh, sure, there's the corner case where the actual relationship isn't known to each other. That's true.

154 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:45:21pm

Hah! That's awesome, my friend Geeta is covering a goddamn Kraftwerk show for All Things Considered.

I had no clue they were still around!

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:46:33pm

re: #151 Obdicut

I don't think it's possible for there to be parent-child incest that's without abuse, actually.

Well, unless you can prove it, it's just a speculative position that should not be a basis for any laws.

Not even in cases where the parent did not raise the child (I'm not talking about random encounter)?

If you do, we disagree strongly on that. I don't think that it's a vague possibility that, if incest were fully legal, there would be parent-child relationships that were coercive, either.

I didn't say the above a vague possibility, though. The vague possibility is such a relationship + non-reporting of abuse as a child because of continued coercion.

My main point though is that those who engage in such relationship with consent while adults should be left alone, regardless of a possibility that some other people engage in it through coercion. Nobody canceled presumption of innocence. Actual lack of consent (basically, rape) should be proven in each case.

156 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:46:45pm

Back in doomer mode...


Worry About U.S. Water, Air Pollution at Historical Lows

Americans currently express record-low concern about both air pollution and pollution of drinking water. Thirty-six percent say they worry a great deal about air pollution and 48% about pollution of drinking water. Both figures are down more than 20 percentage points from the year 2000.

These results are based on Gallup's annual Environment poll, conducted March 8-11. The trends are part of a broader decline in worry about environmental threats documented in the poll.

Gallup asked Americans to say how much they worry about each of seven environmental problems. All show significantly less worry today than in 2000, when worry was at or near its high point for each item. The declines in concern about drinking-water pollution and air pollution are the largest for the problems included in this year's poll.

[...]

Americans' concerns about environmental problems have dropped in recent years, coincident with their drop in support for various environmental policies and the higher priority they assign to economic growth than to environmental protection.

There are two likely explanations for the declining concern. First, Americans are a bit more positive now than they have been in the past about the quality of the environment. Second, the economic downturn has forced Americans to focus more on bread-and-butter economic issues than quality-of-life issues. It may be no coincidence that environmental concern was highest in 2000, when the U.S. was enjoying one of the strongest economies in recent memory, and that environmental concern has reached new lows recently, after the worst financial downturn in the last 25 years.

157 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:47:33pm

re: #150 CuriousLurker

I don't think you do either. Ms. O'Brien is a strong, educated, successful woman and the only people degraded by the cheap shots are those firing them at her. Soledad is a beautiful name, both in sound and in meaning, and no amount of wingnut nastiness can make it any less so.

Sadly, she had to learn to deal with this sort of thing along ago:

Thanks so much for finding that. The things I miss, terribly I guess, from unsubscribing to the paper are the comics and Parade. Oh and the opinion section, but here in conserv town, it was getting unbearable.

158 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:48:24pm

re: #157 Hoodies for Justice. T


reading now

159 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:48:44pm

re: #155 Adam, Eve and Steve

Well, unless you can prove it, it's just a speculative position that should not be a basis for any laws.

I can prove it of every single case of parent-child incest that gets examined. Doesn't that count for anything? It's also what you'd expect, given human psychology.

I didn't say the above a vague possibility, though. The vague possibility is such a relationship + non-reporting of abuse as a child because of continued coercion.

That's not a vague possibility, though. Why do you feel it is? I can cite a ton of case studies of adult incest victims whose abuse began as children.

160 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:51:51pm
161 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:51:53pm

I saw a bunch of tweets this morning about something Patrick Frey (Patterico) posted on Twitter last night, but I couldn't be arsed to read it - I already knew what it was, more pitiful attempts to argue that all those racism comments I've been quoting are "planted" by liberals.

Anyway, I finally got to read what Patrick is calling his "SIX FACTS" that I'm obligated to respond to. Or else, something.

Good grief. What a nimrod. So I replied:

You can imagine what followed.

Our conversation concluded with Patrick threatening to write a post exposing me as the evil mastermind behind the vast comment-planting conspiracy, in league with the mysterious Killgore Trout, or something.

162 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:52:51pm

re: #157 Hoodies for Justice. T

Thanks so much for finding that. The things I miss, terribly I guess, from unsubscribing to the paper are the comics and Parade. Oh and the opinion section, but here in conserv town, it was getting unbearable.

You're welcome. I hadn't even thought of Parade in years. It was nice to see it again, brought back lots of memories of Sunday mornings...sleeping in; having a big late morning family breakfast of pancakes, eggs, sausage, bacon, etc. prepared by dad; divvying up the Sunday paper and fighting over who gets which section first...

163 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:53:08pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

Something happened once, therefore it happens all the time. More likely explanations-- that many conservatives are actually racist, anti-Muslim, etc.-- should be dismissed out of hand, because one time, this thing happened.

164 Artist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:54:22pm

re: #163 Obdicut

Something happened once, therefore it happens all the time. More likely explanations-- that many conservatives are actually racist, anti-Muslim, etc.-- should be dismissed out of hand, because one time, this thing happened.

Sure are a lot of "one times," there.

165 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:54:33pm

re: #159 Obdicut

I can prove it of every single case of parent-child incest that gets examined. Doesn't that count for anything? It's also what you'd expect, given human psychology.

How can you prove it, and examined in what context? What percentage of all cases gets examined? Because if it gets examined solely because of dysfunction, it tells us nothing about possible non-dysfunctional relationships.

That's not a vague possibility, though. Why do you feel it is? I can cite a ton of case studies of adult incest victims whose abuse began as children.

Um, again, I didn't argue that there aren't cases of adult incest victims whose abuse began as children. The "vague possibility" pertains to such a case (child abuse; which is obviously illegal regardless of incest) + non-reporting of it when the victim becomes an adult and continues such relationship against his or her will. Note that since I say possibility, I obviosuly agree that there are *some* such cases. What is their percentage, however?

166 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:58:31pm

re: #165 Adam, Eve and Steve

How can you prove it, and examined in what context? What percentage of all cases gets examined? Because if it gets examined solely because of dysfunction, it tells us nothing about possible non-dysfunctional relationships.

How is this argument inapplicable to relationships between adults and children?

The "vague possibility" pertains to such a case (child abuse; which is obviously illegal regardless of incest) + non-reporting of it when the victim becomes an adult and continues such relationship against his or her will.

I'm still not sure why you call that a vague possibility and then say you're sure it exists. A vague possibility is something that may not happen at all.

Do you mean for each individual case, it'd be a 'vague possibility' that a parent-child incestuous relationship was coercive?

167 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:58:55pm

re: #163 Obdicut

Something happened once, therefore it happens all the time. More likely explanations-- that many conservatives are actually racist, anti-Muslim, etc.-- should be dismissed out of hand, because one time, this thing happened.

This is a tactic Andrew Breitbart pioneered - the demand for answers to absurd questions, repeated over and over. I refuse to play, and instead point and laugh. I set up a macro for the tag #PlantedCommentsLOL and I'll just use it every time one of these idiots starts up again.

And I won't be rehashing the story of Killgore Trout's now legendary drunken racist comment-posting (not planting) spree yet again, at Patterico's demand. He knows he's bullshitting and so do I.

168 jaunte  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:59:28pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

As I recall the single Killgore Trout incendiary comments incident, he clearly let everyone know who he was and why he was making the comments, to see if anyone would police them.

169 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:59:53pm

To the post...Hateful Ailes and Fox. What a cesspool.

Commenting on things I read here today. Ailes the name, ya, that fits. He ails himself, and he definitely ails us.

And the workers at Fox who tolerate what's going on with zero morality or empathy? To make a buck, keep up with the Joneses. We as Americans (and probably humans) tolerate cheating, lying, slimy behavior, just to get ahead. I see it every single day.

I will go to my grave consciously not engaging in it, and as I see it the consequence is being a little bit less of a money maker.

170 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 4:59:53pm

re: #163 Obdicut

Something happened once, therefore it happens all the time. More likely explanations-- that many conservatives are actually racist, anti-Muslim, etc.-- should be dismissed out of hand, because one time, this thing happened.

Personally, I'm not sure that I'd want to admit that my site or sites that I'm defending seem to be packed full of liberal socks whose job it is to make the Right look racist. Hell, if that were really my argument, I'd consider shutting my site down. Or, at the very least, doing something to police all those socks, like deleting their comments and banning them.

Seriously, if the "logic" is that all racist comments or even that the bulk of them are "false flag" posts made by liberal agitators, then what does it say of the people running the sites/blogs that they not only allow these posts to stay, but allow the most prolific of the posters to remain in good standing?

171 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:00:28pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Yeah, it's the all-to-frequent argument of incompetence from the 'right-wing' media.

172 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:02:21pm

re: #162 CuriousLurker

You're welcome. I hadn't even thought of Parade in years. It was nice to see it again, brought back lots of memories of Sunday mornings...sleeping in; having a big late morning family breakfast of pancakes, eggs, sausage, bacon, etc. prepared by dad; divvying up the Sunday paper and fighting over who gets which section first...

One time when I was a kid, my parents placed the Parade with the African starving child on the cover next to me. Till I finished my plate. Oh Americana!

173 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:02:39pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

Double dog dare? Does that actually work with grown-ups?

*pictures two heads of state having a stand-off in which one of them shouts at the other, "I double dog dare you!!"...falls out of chair laughing*

174 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:07:30pm

re: #173 CuriousLurker

Double dog dare? Does that actually work with grown-ups?

*pictures two heads of state having a stand-off in which one of them shouts at the other, "I double dog dare you!!"...falls out of chair laughing*

Next up: The "nanny, nanny, boo, boo" tweet, followed by him sending CJ a photo of a chicken and typing clucking noises.

175 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:08:22pm

re: #168 jaunte

As I recall the single Killgore Trout incendiary comment incident, he clearly let everyone know who he was and why he was making the comments, to see if anyone would police them.

Of course - that's what makes this ridiculous. Nothing was ever planted by Killgore Trout, he used his own name and made it clear what he was doing and why, and even more to the point - I didn't put him up to it, or plan it with him. If he'd asked before getting all up in it, in fact, I would have advised against it.

It was kind of an obnoxious stunt, but it certainly got their attention. Hot Air tightened up their moderation a little after that, a tacit admission that KT had a point. The overt racism problem on right wing blogs was getting out of control.

And it's only gotten worse since then.

176 darthstar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:09:33pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

If it was 'planting' he would have done it under an anonymous handle. He was posting to point out their lack of moderation.

Ignoring their questions makes more sense. The only people enjoying their baiting are themselves.

177 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:10:06pm

re: #172 Hoodies for Justice. T

One time when I was a kid, my parents placed the Parade with the African starving child on the cover next to me. Till I finished my plate. Oh Americana!

Heh, ouch!

178 jaunte  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:10:40pm

I wonder which liberal mole started the League of the South.

179 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:11:18pm

re: #178 jaunte

I wonder which liberal mole started the League of the South.

Sounds like a good tweet.

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:11:19pm

i heard from patterico that Nixon was a liberal plant

181 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:12:07pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Of course - that's what makes this ridiculous. Nothing was ever planted by Killgore Trout, he used his own name and made it clear what he was doing and why, and even more to the point - I didn't put him up to it, or plan it with him. If he'd asked before getting all up in it, in fact, I would have advised against it.

It was kind of an obnoxious stunt, but it certainly got their attention. Hot Air tightened up their moderation a little after that, a tacit admission that KT had a point. The overt racism problem on right wing blogs was getting out of control.

And it's only gotten worse since then.

Because since then, they just point to his stunt and go "See, we already know you 'plant' such things, how do we know that this isn't further 'plants'?!"

Sometimes, proving a point just helps those ignoring it bury their heads even further in the sand.

182 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:12:50pm

re: #173 CuriousLurker

Double dog dare? Does that actually work with grown-ups?

*pictures two heads of state having a stand-off in which one of them shouts at the other, "I double dog dare you!!"...falls out of chair laughing*

I know, I started laughing when I saw that one. And it got retweeted a bunch of times by his wingnut followers. Twitter kind of felt like an elementary schoolyard for a while, but it was actually useful - I got some more names to put in the global filter.

183 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:14:32pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

And it's only gotten worse since then.

As demonstrated by this elaborate attempt to deny and deflect, which was retweeted by a few who missed the Great Twitter Ban Fest. I reported a few of them.

184 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:14:46pm

And by the way, I notice that Twitter is still suspending stalker accounts. Those tools managed to get themselves on a watch list of some kind.

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:14:51pm

re: #114 Obdicut

For some reason, Romney blathered about contraception to the NRA (huh?) and managed to leave out his own record on the topic.

[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

The NRA has an opinion on contraception?

186 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:15:38pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

The NRA has an opinion on contraception?

Over your dead bodies or something.

187 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:17:17pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

The NRA has an opinion on contraception?

Romney's gonna be hating himself for the next 8 months. Every word out of his mouth is gonna come back to haunt him.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:17:34pm

re: #123 freetoken

According to the story, they've already had two children with "disabilities".

They may have, but I doubt it's because they're siblings, unless there's a long history of inbreeding, or they have some very specific problem they're both carriers for. One generation isn't enough to start producing babies with three eyes.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:18:56pm

re: #129 jamesfirecat

Wait... what do you mean by "laws punishing those instances" it sounds like you're going to end up punishing people who have already just gone through the horror of having a disadvantaged child which strikes me as a touch heartless...

Wouldn't it be more humane (but granted more awkward) just to insist that if brother and sister couple want to get married she has to get her tubes tied or something?

If you're going to do that, you leave open a very slippery slope for forcing the sterilization of people with all sorts of minor problems that might afflict their children.

Also, whatcha gonna do if siblings just shack up?

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:18:59pm

wow patterico doesn't have many followers! this guy's supposed to be a heavyweight?

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:19:31pm

re: #166 Obdicut

How is this argument inapplicable to relationships between adults and children?

Because there is no analogy between an average child's and average adult's psychology (I'm not taking borderline cases which arise from the necessarily somewhat arbitrary delimitation of the age of consent). We can derive the average harm from child abuse because of what we know about children and adults. But you would actually have to show that adults engaging in such relationships do it because of coercion as a matter of principle (on average). Peer-reviewed studies, etc.

I'm still not sure why you call that a vague possibility and then say you're sure it exists. A vague possibility is something that may not happen at all.

Do you mean for each individual case, it'd be a 'vague possibility' that a parent-child incestuous relationship was coercive?

What I mean is that it should be demonstrated that it's not enough to enforce child abuse laws, and that it's necessary to crack down on each adult incestuous power-differential relationship just because it is possible that it may have been started as child abuse. So I'm asking again: what percentage of incestuous relationships began as child abuse and continued into adult coercive relationships? And what percentage started in adulthood?

192 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:20:11pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. I'm really leery about the 'for the good of the childrens!' argument against incest, since it really would allow you to forbid lots of people from reproducing at all, and even more from reproducing with certain other people.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:21:27pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

Could be a lot of that going around.

Yeah. You know how some crazy percentage of men in Asia and parts of Europe are descended from Genghis Khan? Someday, some crazy percentage of people are going to be descended from some early-twenty-first-century crooked sperm bank owner.

Less impressive than being descended from the Great Khan, I might add.

194 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:21:54pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

And by the way, I notice that Twitter is still suspending stalker accounts. Those tools managed to get themselves on a watch list of some kind.

Damn, Twitter dropped the hammer on them real good.

195 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:22:26pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

If you're going to do that, you leave open a very slippery slope for forcing the sterilization of people with all sorts of minor problems that might afflict their children.

Also, whatcha gonna do if siblings just shack up?

That's why I suggested it'd be awkward (in the sense of hard to enforce, sorry if that didn't come across) in my post.

For better or worse government has more important things to do than dictate who can and can't breed with one another.

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:22:43pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

Damn, Twitter dropped the hammer on them real good.

twitter is the new playground

sometimes kids need a timeout :D

197 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:24:19pm

You know what's sad?
I registered my Twitter account strictly to head off the stalker blog freaks.
So, again, if you see my nic following you, it's not me.

198 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:25:01pm

re: #191 Adam, Eve and Steve

Because there is no analogy between an average child's and average adult's psychology (I'm not taking borderline cases which arise from the necessarily somewhat arbitrary delimitation of the age of consent). We can derive the average harm from child abuse because of what we know about children and adults.

But that's the same knowledge we use to show that incestuous relationships tend to be damaging as well; what we know about the way that siblings relate to each other.

But you would actually have to show that adults engaging in such relationships do it because of coercion as a matter of principle (on average). Peer-reviewed studies, etc.

But why, if you're supposing that there's all these invisible cases of incest that are perfectly okay, couldn't someone say the same thing about adult-child relationships? By calling into question the psychiatric records showing that sibling incest is damaging by contending that such relationships are only examined when pathological, that seems to me to open up the exact same line of argument for relationships with children.

If you're going to make the assumption that nothing in the record can be relied upon because there could be cases of incest that are outside the record and unreported that are positive, it's pretty impossible to disprove that.

What I mean is that it should be demonstrated that it's not enough to enforce child abuse laws, and that it's necessary to crack down on each adult incestuous power-differential relationship just because it is possible that it may have been started as child abuse.

I'd say the large number of incest cases that continue into adulthood, and the large number of incest cases that are only revealed long afterwards, do demonstrate that.

So I'm asking again: what percentage of incestuous relationships began as child abuse and continued into adult coercive relationships? And what percentage started in adulthood?

If you're rejecting the psychiatric record, there's no way to attain those numbers.

199 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:25:32pm

re: #197 Varek Raith

You know what's sad?
I registered my Twitter account strictly to head off the stalker blog freaks.
So, again, if you see my nic following you, it's not me.

I haven't even bothered. So if you see me "following" you, feel free to nuke'em.

200 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:26:42pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Romney's gonna be hating himself for the next 8 months. Every word out of his mouth is gonna come back to haunt him.

Maybe the second sentence, but are you serious about the first?//

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:28:16pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. You know how some crazy percentage of men in Asia and parts of Europe are descended from Genghis Khan? Someday, some crazy percentage of people are going to be descended from some early-twenty-first-century crooked sperm bank owner.

Less impressive than being descended from the Great Khan, I might add.

It's alright if he himself is the GK descendant ;)

202 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:29:36pm

re: #200 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

Maybe the second sentence, but are you serious about the first?//

Times I wish I had some bad-ass Photoshop skills, because I'd love to make a joke poster for Romney based off the one for Me, Myself, & Irene.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:34:34pm

re: #195 jamesfirecat

That's why I suggested it'd be awkward (in the sense of hard to enforce, sorry if that didn't come across) in my post.

For better or worse government has more important things to do than dictate who can and can't breed with one another.

That.

Fundamentally, this just kind of ain't no one's business. We're talking about consenting adults. They may be taboo-breaking adults who squick the rest of us the hell out, but I have a hard time figuring out why that should be illegal, per se. And really, in terms of inbreeding, one sibling pairing is nothing, unless they're already really genetically messed up.

As the king says in "The 500 Hats of Bartholomew Cubbins", "It happened to happen, and was not very likely to happen again."

204 jaunte  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:36:38pm
205 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:41:36pm

///So how long before this thread becomes proof that Charles and the rest of his lizard buddies can't get enough incest.

(I kid of course.... I'm sure it's happened already)

206 darthstar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:41:50pm

re: #204 jaunte

But there's no co-pay for the condoms that come with a Mojito.

207 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:42:27pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, whatcha gonna do if siblings just shack up?

So ,,, family reunions are NOT recommended pick up places !?!?!

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:42:40pm

re: #205 jamesfirecat

///So how long before this thread becomes proof that Charles and the rest of his lizard buddies can't get enough incest.

(I kid of course... I'm sure it's happened already)

Oh, yes, they'll be on it as we speak. Plus, some cracks about cousin marriages in Islamic countries will be issued...

209 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:43:04pm

re: #199 Targetpractice

I haven't even bothered. So if you see me "following" you, feel free to nuke'em.

Heh, I don't even use it.
I'm just territorial with my baddass nic.
/

210 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:43:31pm

re: #207 sattv4u2

Also, whatcha gonna do if siblings just shack up?

So ,,, family reunions are NOT recommended pick up places !?!?!

Haven't seen you for a while.
How goes the signal business???

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:44:10pm

re: #207 sattv4u2

Also, whatcha gonna do if siblings just shack up?

So ,,, family reunions are NOT recommended pick up places !?!?!

Jebediah Springfield: People, our search is over! On this site we shall build a new town where we can worship freely, govern justly, and grow vast fields of hemp for making rope and blankets.

Shelbyville Manhattan: Yes! And marry our cousins.

Jebediah Springfield: I was- wha... what are you talking about, Shelbyville? Why would we want to marry our cousins?

Shelbyville Manhattan: Because they're so attractive. I... I thought that was the whole point of this journey.

Jebediah Springfield: Absolutely not!

Shelbyville Manhattan: I tell you, I won't live in a town that robs men of the right to marry their cousins!

212 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:44:36pm

re: #209 Varek Raith

Heh, I don't even use it.
I'm just territorial with my baddass nic.
/

In Klingon "Varek Raith" translates to "He Who Cowers At Cats"

213 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:45:17pm

re: #212 sattv4u2

In Klingon "Varek Raith" translates to "He Who Cowers At Cats"

As any wise person should.
;)

214 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:45:36pm

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

I also don't have any cousins. I have a 2nd cousin. He's very nice but quite boring.

215 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:45:46pm

re: #205 jamesfirecat

///So how long before this thread becomes proof that Charles and the rest of his lizard buddies can't get enough incest.

(I kid of course... I'm sure it's happened already)

1. Fact - Many in Charles' Loozard Legion are hooked on Game of Thrones...

216 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:46:03pm

re: #210 Varek Raith

Haven't seen you for a while.
How goes the signal business???

too busy!!

Corporate finally gave the okay to hire one more engineer

That stated, even if that person were to start tomorrow it's at least a 3 month training period before they're able to do a solo shift

217 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:47:50pm
218 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:48:01pm

re: #216 sattv4u2

too busy!!

Corporate finally gave the okay to hire one more engineer

That stated, even if that person were to start tomorrow it's at least a 3 month training period before they're able to do a solo shift

Image: coffee-injection.jpg

219 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:48:14pm

re: #214 Obdicut

He's very nice but quite boring.

heh ,, he has a 2nd cousin that he says the same thing about!

220 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:48:45pm

re: #218 Varek Raith

Image: coffee-injection.jpg

LOL

Just heated up a cup as we speak

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:49:26pm

re: #214 Obdicut

I also don't have any cousins. I have a 2nd cousin. He's very nice but quite boring.

My first cousins are extremely attractive, much like Shelbyville Manhattan's. But you know, I'm taken, they're taken, the one who isn't taken doesn't like girls, and also, IIIIIICCCCCCK, OMG, GROSS.

So there you are.

222 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:50:03pm

Hot cousins are God's way of testing you.
/

223 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:52:41pm

re: #222 Varek Raith

Hot cousins are God's way of testing you.
/

So is an all you can eat restaurant!

224 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:53:36pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

He's very nice but quite boring.

heh ,, he has a 2nd cousin that he says the same thing about!

No, he doesn't, which makes me feel vaguely guilty every once in awhile.

225 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:53:47pm

re: #223 sattv4u2

So is an all you can eat restaurant!

226 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:54:20pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

As any wise person should.
;)

Indeed. The gray-furred one's plans to assassinate me have failed thus far, but he seems determined.

//

227 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:54:27pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

Our conversation concluded with Patrick threatening to write a post exposing me as the evil mastermind behind the vast comment-planting conspiracy, in league with the mysterious Killgore Trout, or something.

I could use an evil mastermind. I'd like that.

228 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:55:12pm

Silly scientist actually thinks the Daily Fail ought not misrepresent his research:

SU professor discovers a potential new way to study climate, and finds himself in the storm over global warming

229 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:56:21pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

I could use an evil mastermind. I'd like that.

Sorry, but the best we have is a ill-mannered apprentice

230 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:56:24pm

re: #198 Obdicut

But that's the same knowledge we use to show that incestuous relationships tend to be damaging as well; what we know about the way that siblings relate to each other.

But why, if you're supposing that there's all these invisible cases of incest that are perfectly okay, couldn't someone say the same thing about adult-child relationships? By calling into question the psychiatric records showing that sibling incest is damaging by contending that such relationships are only examined when pathological, that seems to me to open up the exact same line of argument for relationships with children.

Nope, because with children the harm can be derived from more general principles, which also happen to be more obvious. It's not necessary to base this on psychiatric record of actual cases. There's simply no analogy between adult and children-adult "relationships". Besides, in adult relationships you have to go an extra-step, because you're denying consenting (prima facie) adults their rights.

Also, it's not the state's role to regulate the supposedly abusive relationships between consenting (prima facie) adults on its own. It's not up to the state to divorce an abusive husband from his wife, even though their relationship can be visibly dysfunctional. It's still up to her to leave him and ask the state for protection, if necessary.

If you're going to make the assumption that nothing in the record can be relied upon because there could be cases of incest that are outside the record and unreported that are positive, it's pretty impossible to disprove that.

But this objection doesn't make your argument more valid. No, it's still not sufficient to analyze only abusive incestuous relationships, because by definition you will conclude that they're abusive. And possible non-abusive relationships can be hidden for numerous plausible/obvious reasons, starting with illegality of incest and ending with social taboo. No study that doesn't at least attempt in seeking out non-dysfunctional couples (even if it fails despite the best efforts), but relies simply on the record that is biased towards dysfunction is not a firm base for legal restrictions.

I'd say the large number of incest cases that continue into adulthood, and the large number of incest cases that are only revealed long afterwards, do demonstrate that.

1. [citation needed] 2. Percentage?

If you're rejecting the psychiatric record, there's no way to attain those numbers.

And therefore no cause to deny consenting (prima facie) adults their relationships. Anyway, what are percentages of the categories in the prev. comment in the record?

231 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:59:16pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

(followed by an all too short sleep period followed by the long quiet drive back in in the early a.m.)

Try the veal, and tip your waitresses,,

232 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:59:32pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Of course - that's what makes this ridiculous. Nothing was ever planted by Killgore Trout, he used his own name and made it clear what he was doing and why, and even more to the point - I didn't put him up to it, or plan it with him. If he'd asked before getting all up in it, in fact, I would have advised against it.

It was kind of an obnoxious stunt, but it certainly got their attention. Hot Air tightened up their moderation a little after that, a tacit admission that KT had a point. The overt racism problem on right wing blogs was getting out of control.

And it's only gotten worse since then.

Agreed. It was stupid but it did produce results. I did provide the wingnuts with a scapegoat for all the racist comments on their websites but they would have claimed false flag anyways. There was a time when the Koskidz used to accuse me of planting anti-semitic diaries too. Idiots always find someone else to blame to avoid dealing with the real problems.

233 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 5:59:48pm

re: #229 sattv4u2

Sorry, but the best we have is a ill-mannered apprentice

Sold!

234 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:02:28pm

re: #231 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

(followed by an all too short sleep period followed by the long quiet drive back in in the early a.m.)

Try the veal, and tip your waitresses,,

Waitress tipping, is that the human version of cow tipping?

235 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:03:23pm

I do really love my local neighborhood mom and pop hardware store. I still have to wire the automatic vent system for the greenhouse before the weather heats up. A helpful employee spent over an hour with me figuring it out and explaining it to me. All the conduit, wiring and the tutorial only cost me about 50 bucks. Now that's service!

236 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:05:27pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Addendum: Sorry again for being a pain in the ass.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:05:49pm

re: #234 BoonGoggle

Waitress tipping, is that the human version of cow tipping?

"Our date involves cruelty to Muggle animals?"

"I guess."

"Fake Harry Potter, I think I love you."

238 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:07:25pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

The mom-n-pop stores are some of my fond memories of Japan - these kinds of commercial arrangements do cement the local community.

Around here the small stores all tend to be either trendy knickknack outlets, or re-sale joints.

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:08:22pm

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

"Our date involves cruelty to Muggle animals?"

"I guess."

"Fake Harry Potter, I think I love you."

(Best Harry Potter spoof/fanfic ever. Can't find it again, alas. Draco Malfoy develops the hots for Harry, and, unable to reconcile this with his previous loathing, decides he is in an alternate universe. Thus leading to the great and awesome line, from the school nurse, "For the last time, young Malfoy, you are not in an alternate universe. You are just having hormones.")

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:09:03pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

(Best Harry Potter spoof/fanfic ever. Can't find it again, alas. Draco Malfoy develops the hots for Harry, and, unable to reconcile this with his previous loathing, decides he is in an alternate universe. Thus leading to the great and awesome line, from the school nurse, "For the last time, young Malfoy, you are not in an alternate universe. You are just having hormones.")

And, well, they go cow tipping together.

241 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:11:06pm

re: #240 SanFranciscoZionist

And, well, they go cow tipping together.

Every summer I go cow tipping.

Then I throw sleeping chickens into the air.

242 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:19:13pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout


32 years ago my wife and I moved into a neighborhood that was built in the 1950's. I would go to the large hardware stores looking for electrical, plumbing, etc., and I would come up empty. I discovered that 3 blocks away was a hardware store that specialized in the needs of that neighbor hood. Every employee was a retired member of those trades and I went there faithfully for parts and advice. After 50 years of service to their community it became a furniture store.

243 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:19:23pm

K, I'm out.

244 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:21:38pm

re: #230 Adam, Eve and Steve

You can derive the harm between siblings from general principles as well, though.

I'd say there's no analogy between relationships not between siblings, and those between siblings, as well.

And therefore no cause to deny consenting (prima facie) adults their relationships. Anyway, what are percentages of the categories in the prev. comment in the record?

Well, this conversation is kicking up my PTSD, so I'm going to drop it now. Sorry.

I really don't get how you can be asking me for percentages of a figure you're saying has got to be incorrect anyway, since only the pathological versions get reported on. But I really can't focus on this any longer without getting super-depressed.

245 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:23:07pm

re: #243 Adam, Eve and Steve

K, I'm out.

NTTAWWT.

Personally I lock my closets.

246 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:42:22pm

From the "No Shit, Sherlock" files:

There is a University wide volunteer thingy called Big Event. It would usually happen tomorrow.

It is either being moved to next week, or cancelled all together.

247 jaunte  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:42:33pm
248 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:50:27pm

re: #247 jaunte

Keith Moon

The legendary drummer for The Who, Keith Moon would be 65 if he were still alive today. Sadly, Moon died in 1978 at the age of 32. His destructive lifestyle earned him the nickname “Moon the Loon” – and an early demise. The drummer died after taking 32 sedative tablets in the same London apartment in which Cass Elliot had died a little under four years earlier. Moon died a couple of weeks after the release of ‘Who Are You.’

(AP)

249 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:52:53pm

re: #247 jaunte

Not the Onion:

Olympics Organizers Ask Keith Moon to Play Closing Ceremony

Be a hell of a story if he shows up.

250 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 6:57:26pm

Holy shit

251 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:01:34pm

re: #250 Hoodies for Justice. T

The secret service compromised by nookie? What a sound!

252 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:01:58pm

re: #250 Hoodies for Justice. T

You have got to be fucking kidding. We really didn't need this.

253 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:05:48pm

re: #252 ProGunLiberal

I have always considered the secret service as the modern "Untouchable."
But apparently they can be touched.

254 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:06:41pm

re: #253 EdDantes

I have always considered the secret service as the modern "Untouchable."
But apparently they can be touched.

Depends on the spot they want touched...

/too soon?

255 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:07:06pm
256 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:09:20pm

re: #250 Hoodies for Justice. T

Holy shit

re: #251 EdDantes

The secret service compromised by nookie? What a sound!

re: #253 EdDantes

I have always considered the secret service as the modern "Untouchable."
But apparently they can be touched.

Goes to show that even Secret Service agents can be stupid and that their genitals can override their good sense.

Cue the RWNJs bleating that this is proof that having to protect President Obama has "corrupted" the Secret Service in 5, 4, 3...

257 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:11:52pm

re: #255 ProGunLiberal

Since the JFK assassination I have had expectations of the secret service. Anyone willing to take a bullet to protect a president always seemed like a noble knight with a higher purpose. It is disappointing if true.

258 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:11:55pm

Yesterday I was offended by the suggestion that I don't work (you should see my facebook wall this morning; most of my friends are also SAH mothers.)

Now, I'm offending by a crusty old man calling a 45 year old degreed professional a "girl."

259 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:15:37pm

re: #257 EdDantes

Since the JFK assassination I have had expectations of the secret service. Anyone willing to take a bullet to protect a president always seemed like a noble knight with a higher purpose. It is disappointing if true.

People need to be wary of putting others on a pedestal, because, sooner or later, they're likely to be disillusioned and disheartened.

Even Secret Service agents are human, full of foibles and flaws.

260 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:16:14pm

re: #258 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Yesterday I was offended by the suggestion that I don't work (you should see my facebook wall this morning; most of my friends are also SAH mothers.)

Now, I'm offending by a crusty old man calling a 45 year old degreed professional a "girl."

Don't worry I'm sure this blatantly misogynistic statement will get just as much media attention as a comment originally intended to be a political point about how wealthy one woman in particular is....

///And for that matter I'm also sure I'll win the lottery tommorrow.

///In fact I'm so sure I won't even bother with buying a ticket!

261 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:18:22pm

re: #259 talon_262

People need to be wary of putting others on a pedestal, because, sooner or later, they're likely to be disillusioned and disheartened.

Even Secret Service agents are human, full of foibles and flaws.

Have you seen Columbian women? Geez, they're men, not robots!

262 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:18:54pm

re: #260 jamesfirecat

Don't worry I'm sure this blatantly misogynistic statement will get just as much media attention as a comment originally intended to be a political point about how wealthy one woman in particular is...

///And for that matter I'm also sure I'll win the lottery tommorrow.

///In fact I'm so sure I won't even bother with buying a ticket!

And I'm sure that I'll have lots of opportunities to be offended during this election.

I tried to find a little ire about the Moon thing, but I'm just giggling instead. Keith Moon would probably have found it funny, too.

263 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:22:43pm

re: #253 EdDantes

I have always considered the secret service as the modern "Untouchable."
But apparently they can be touched.

This goes back to my negative theory that everyone now a days is able to be compromised if they benefit somehow.

But SHIT, the best law enforcement job in the word? The Secret Service?

264 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:25:29pm

re: #257 EdDantes

Since the JFK assassination I have had expectations of the secret service. Anyone willing to take a bullet to protect a president always seemed like a noble knight with a higher purpose. It is disappointing if true.

President Obama is saying, WTF, I can't get a fucking break any which way.

265 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:26:20pm

re: #263 Hoodies for Justice. T

This goes back to my negative theory that everyone now a days is able to be compromised if they benefit somehow.

But SHIT, the best law enforcement job in the word? The Secret Service?

Best? Don't most of them go around looking for fake $20's?

/

266 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:27:24pm

re: #259 talon_262

People need to be wary of putting others on a pedestal, because, sooner or later, they're likely to be disillusioned and disheartened.

Even Secret Service agents are human, full of foibles and flaws.

Yah, but I would assume they are at the pinnacle of law enforcement success. And would act accordingly.

Fucking A people, they went wild in Columbia! It's actually hilarious in a way.

267 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:27:28pm

re: #263 Hoodies for Justice. T

Poster boy for secret service dedication and heroism : Timothy McCarthy. God Bless him.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

268 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:31:37pm

Is Matthew Continetti a huge douchebag? I only ask because he's on Bill Maher and he comes across as a huge douchebag to me.

269 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:32:11pm

re: #267 EdDantes

The video of that is amazing. He holds himself even while you can see his body is screaming at him to dive out of the way.

270 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:32:29pm

re: #267 EdDantes

Poster boy for secret service dedication and heroism : Timothy McCarthy. God Bless him.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yep. Didn't the guy in the Kennedy motorcade recently write a book about how awful it was?

271 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:35:50pm
272 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:39:33pm

re: #270 Hoodies for Justice. T

I saw him on 60 minutes about 20 years ago feeling guilty about not being able to protect the president. I didn't know he wrote a book. If I were president, I would want him and McCarthy on my detail.

273 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:43:10pm

re: #263 Hoodies for Justice. T

I am as cynical as they come. Maybe that is why I admire those who will sacrifice themselves for a greater cause. I'm all fucked up.

274 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:46:03pm

re: #272 EdDantes

I saw him on 60 minutes about 20 years ago feeling guilty about not being able to protect the president. I didn't know he wrote a book. If I were president, I would want him and McCarthy on my detail.

As I would assume anyone on the current detail would compare.

Fricken privileged kids! or something.

btw, the judge here in San Diego tossed the appeal of the tea party marine, he's fighting the Marine ruling that he gets kicked out. His tea party lawyer and the ACLU are going to take it to a higher court. I read today that his original postings, that he deleted after getting flack, were pretty damn bad against Obama. He'd never salute him etc.

Does anyone remember protesting the Iraq war? We were so ruined and unpatriotic. Now? No problem.

275 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:50:12pm

re: #274 Hoodies for Justice. T

Tea Party + ACLU = does not compute. :)

276 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:53:56pm

re: #275 EdDantes

Tea Party + ACLU = does not compute. :)

Yah. It's pretty fucked up. The tea party atty is named Kreep. He's major tea party, birther.

Here's the story. The ACLU's part is free speech.

I want to get the Marine and Kreep on the record thanking the ACLU.

[Link: www.utsandiego.com...]

277 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:54:17pm

U.S. Secret Service agents recalled from Colombia

Donovan declined to disclose details about the nature of the alleged misconduct. But Jon Adler, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, said the accusations relate to at least one agent having involvement with prostitutes in Cartagena.

ಠ_ಠ

278 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:58:08pm

Cartagena is the Riviera of Columbia!

279 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:01:15pm

re: #278 Hoodies for Justice. T

There is a Cartagena, Spain. Both names are derived from ancient Carthage.

280 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:06:08pm

re: #279 EdDantes

There is a Cartagena, Spain. Both names are derived from ancient Carthage.

Spain was under Carthaginian control prior to the Punic Wars.

281 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:06:31pm

re: #261 Oblivious Troll

Have you seen Columbian women? Geez, they're men, not robots!

re: #266 Hoodies for Justice. T

Yah, but I would assume they are at the pinnacle of law enforcement success. And would act accordingly.

Fucking A people, they went wild in Columbia! It's actually hilarious in a way.

It's hilarious, but it's also grist for the RWNJ mill for assholes who are eternally looking for absolutely anything to bash President Obama with just because some Secret Service agents on his advance protection detail couldn't keep it in their pants for a few days.

I don't begrudge anyone from having some fun when they can, but when you're a fucking Secret Service agent responsible for the safety of the POTUS, it would behoove you to be on your very best behavior when you're on the job. It also doesn't help that some of these agents are married too...

ARRRGGGHHHH

282 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:10:00pm

re: #280 Kragar

Another source of conflict with Rome.

283 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:11:03pm

Good night, all. Be excellent to each other!

284 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:12:44pm
285 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:14:11pm

re: #284 Interesting Times

FAP FAP FAP

SKEET SKEET SKEET

/every sperm is sacred!

286 spiderx  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:17:40pm

Soledad O'Brien is a pretty damn good journalist. Maybe Roger Aisles feels bad that all he has at FOX news is a bunch of hacks and propagandists.

287 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:18:19pm

re: #282 EdDantes

Another source of conflict with Rome.

The first war was to see who would be the primary power in the Med.

The second war was Carthage's attempt to renegotiate the treaty which ended the first.

The third war was Rome being tired of Carthage's shit.

And thats several decades of Roman history in a nutshell.

288 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:20:07pm

re: #287 Kragar

Cathargo delenda est.

Now, I'm really gone.

289 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:20:39pm

I wonder if Hoosier saw the tornado in Norman today.

290 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:21:35pm
291 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:22:23pm

All this crazy politics makes one long for some soledad.

292 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:23:36pm

re: #290 Ojoe

Soledad Mission, California:

Image: 3414137-Restored_Mission_Soledad_Soledad.jpg

They named a mission after the prison!?
/

293 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:23:59pm

re: #289 prairiefire

I wonder if Hoosier saw the tornado in Norman today.

Yes..Barely..It was rain wrapped going down Lindsey Street. Saturday around 4pm it is going to be bad for the plain States

294 Flavia  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:26:05pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

As the daughter and granddaughter of Catholics, I'm actually pretty pissed off about this. Also his use of 'girl' to refer to a forty-five-year-old journalist.

Couldn't have said it better myself (Except maybe the "daughter" part). My FIRST response was "I'm JEWISH & I know better than this!!!"

& then, being such a George Takei fan, I naturally thought of this:

295 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:26:18pm

re: #292 Kragar

Actually, I've been to the mission. It is way, way in the middle of nowhere & the Franciscans named it for Our Lady of Solitude because they got a LOT of solitude there.

It's very beautiful that way. No distractions.

296 Kragar  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:27:59pm

North Korea officially ignores rocket launch

Quickly after the failed launch of the Kwangmyongsong-2 rocket, two things became abundantly clear: We, the foreign press corps brought in to cover the launch, knew far less about it than our colleagues outside of North Korea, and the only people we would be informing about anything today would be our government-assigned guides/minders.

297 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:31:22pm

re: #296 Kragar

Well, it failed, massively, and as I heard it today, the NK prove their strength by beating up on the SK. Should be interesting...

298 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:31:40pm

re: #293 HoosierHoops

Yes..Barely..It was rain wrapped going down Lindsey Street. Saturday around 4pm it is going to be bad for the plain States

We just had a pretty big one come through Cal. On your way. 3 days, watch out.

299 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:33:50pm

Here's footage as a substitute, for the NK launch:

301 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:37:17pm

re: #293 HoosierHoops

Yes..Barely..It was rain wrapped going down Lindsey Street. Saturday around 4pm it is going to be bad for the plain States

We are staying home tomorrow. No need to go out in bad weather.[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

302 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:42:49pm

re: #301 prairiefire

We are staying home tomorrow. No need to go out in bad weather.[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Oh Boy..Another Super Cell storm is heading straight for Norman.. It will be here soon..

303 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:45:39pm

re: #302 HoosierHoops

I see it outside my window.

304 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:47:38pm

re: #302 HoosierHoops

Please be safe?

305 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:52:09pm

re: #304 Dancing along the light of day

Please be safe?

Thanks And PGL you be safe also.. The news says the storm is coming straight at Norman...

306 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:54:04pm

Gah, you guys be safe.

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:54:07pm

re: #295 Ojoe

Actually, I've been to the mission. It is way, way in the middle of nowhere & the Franciscans named it for Our Lady of Solitude because they got a LOT of solitude there.

It's very beautiful that way. No distractions.

It is the thirteenth of the California missions, established in 1791. And given that California was pretty much the far side of the moon in those years, for some particular place to inspire being named 'Soledad' is saying something.

308 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:00:53pm

You'd press it. Admit it.

309 wheat-dogg  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:01:11pm

The prison's official name is "Correctional Training Facility," according to Wikipedia. It's unofficial name comes from its location outside Soledad, California, which in turn got its name from a Catholic mission.

310 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:01:33pm

re: #301 prairiefire

We are staying home tomorrow. No need to go out in bad weather.[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Here's the SPC warning for Saturday (tomorrow):

[Link: www.spc.noaa.gov...]

The only tornado report from today is from the Norman, OK area, which ironically is where the SPC is located.

311 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:02:07pm

re: #310 freetoken

And, our Hoopster!

312 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:05:13pm

re: #308 Oblivious Troll

313 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:18:21pm

What a jerk. A cowardly, misogynistic, r-w jerk wad. That is all.

314 Cheechako  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:25:01pm

Here's a good site to monitor severe weather. Just zoom in on your area. Even has links to live video sites from the storm chasers.


Tornado Videos

315 Digital Display  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:28:42pm

re: #314 Cheechako

Here's a good site to monitor severe weather. Just zoom in on your area. Even has links to live video sites from the storm chasers.

Tornado Videos

Great link! The supercell is now 10 minutes away with golf ball size hail.. The lightning show is awesome as it approaches.. Expect to lose power soon..

316 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:39:17pm

This brings back memories:

Google BBS Terminal

It's hilarious to look back and see what the internet looked like before Netscape. Haha.

317 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:53:16pm

re: #316 Lidane

Oh, I miss those days. I remember the different bbs systems I used, and the computers of the 80's then 90's. Life was simpler back then, but ironically the topics on BBSs in those days were surprisingly similar to today's. There were always the religions discussions, the evolution wars, politics, etc.

318 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:54:46pm

re: #316 Lidane

This brings back memories:

Google BBS Terminal

It's hilarious to look back and see what the internet looked like before Netscape. Haha.

Gee grandma, tell us another story!

///

319 Lidane  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:56:24pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

Gee grandma, tell us another story!

///

I'd tell you to get off my damn lawn, but I'm not that old yet. And I don't have a lawn. Heh.

320 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:59:17pm

Eh, I've got no room to take. I still remember the days when you spent 5 minutes waiting for a jpeg to load, only for your computer to say "Fuck it" halfway through. Or leaving your computer on all day just to download a 10MB file.

321 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:59:36pm

Oooh... just had some lightning and thunder. Rarity for a spring storm in San Diego.

322 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 10:08:57pm

re: #321 freetoken

Windier that heck here, brace yourself!

323 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 10:15:13pm

re: #321 freetoken

In fact, it is BOOMING here!
I might go hide under a pilow.

324 freetoken  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 10:16:11pm

re: #323 Dancing along the light of day

Some tiny hail just fell from a small cell here. RADAR tells me though that this is the last storm cell of the night.

325 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 13, 2012 10:17:09pm

Radar might lie...

326 labman57  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 6:48:00pm

Ailes has opted to adopt the same tactics routinely used by his political commentators -- replace substantive, cogent analysis with snarky, irrational, fabricated B.S.


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