TwitterFacebook

Tulsa Shooting Suspects Charged With Murder and Hate Crimes

Racial motives
Crime • Views: 27,286

The two men arrested for a series of shootings of African Americans in Tulsa, Oklahoma, have been charged with murder and hate crimes.

OKLAHOMA CITY (Reuters) - Prosecutors brought murder and hate-crime charges on Friday against two white men arrested in the shootings of four black men and a black woman, three of them fatally, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, a week ago.

Black lawmakers in Oklahoma and civil rights leaders, including the Reverend Jesse Jackson, have pressed authorities to bring the hate-crime charges against Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 33, to acknowledge their racial motive for gunning down unsuspecting victims before dawn on April 6.

Shortly before the killings, England had lamented on his Facebook page that two years had passed since his father was killed by a black man, to whom he referred with a racial slur.

Police have described the shootings as random because the pair of self-employed laborers did not know any of their victims. One witness said the gunman simply pulled his pickup truck to the side of the street and asked for directions before opening fire.

Jump to bottom

173 comments

1 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:47:01am

Vile fucking scumbags ... And as "Un-American" as can be.

2 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:49:53am

Absurd police statement:

Police have described the shootings as random because the pair of self-employed laborers did not know any of their victims.

They may not have known the victims, but these were definitely not "random" shootings.

3 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:52:02am

Hateful killers like this really need to become examples of the full force of law. I say this with the knowledge that Oklahoma has a death penalty. Life in jail for these killers may be what's best for society in general, but that's also a correction officers nightmare.

4 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:53:52am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Absurd police statement:

They may not have known the victims, but these were definitely not "random" shootings.

Apparently 'random' is in the eye of the beholder.

5 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:53:52am

I wonder how many people who defend George Zimmerman based on the "Stand Your Ground" law also defend Pernell Jefferson the African American who shot Jake England's father. Probably not too many. More likely, they'll try to rationalize Jake England's killing spree as a reaction to his father's death.

Damien Neal, the boyfriend of Carl England's daughter, told police the argument began after Neal caught Jefferson attempting to break into his apartment. Neal said he called Carl England after Jefferson left to get a gun.

When Carl England and Neal found Jefferson, Neal said in the account, Carl England struck him with a stick. He said Jefferson responded by shooting Carl England in the chest.

6 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:54:26am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Absurd police statement:

They may not have known the victims, but these were definitely not "random" shootings.

It's probably a technical distinction. The individuals weren't specifically targeted by the gunmen because of some personal connection. They were random targets based on race.

7 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:55:50am

re: #1 _RememberTonyC

Vile fucking scumbags ... And as "Un-American" as can be.

What does 'un-American' mean and why is it bad?
- signed [Canadian from Canuckistan (- un-American)]

8 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:56:17am

re: #7 BoonGoggle

What does 'un-American' mean and why is it bad?
- signed [Canadian from Canuckistan (- un-American)]

Traitor!
/

9 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:57:00am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Absurd police statement:

They may not have known the victims, but these were definitely not "random" shootings.

Random means there is no discernible pattern. It takes about 2 seconds to establish a pattern in this case.

10 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:57:44am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Traitor!
/

I shall pummel the US with apples and attack with beavers.

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:57:50am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Does it refer to initial statements? If so, they might have described it so before the facebook content became known?

12 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:59:06am

re: #10 BoonGoggle

I shall pummel the US with apples and attack with beavers.

Send poutine and national health care.

13 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:59:53am

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Send poutine and national health care.

On second thought, keep the former.

14 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 10:59:59am

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Send poutine and national health care.

And Kids in the Hall.

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:00:03am

re: #9 Mich-again

Random means there is no discernible pattern. It takes about 2 seconds to establish a pattern in this case.

With all the information, yes, but without it might not have been clear to the police initially that the black people were dead specifically because black people were targeted, rather than because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

16 austin_blue  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:00:33am

Philosophy Question:

Why is it only the guy with the gun who gets to Stand His Ground? What if Trayvon thought he was being stalked by a pedophile?

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:01:31am

re: #16 austin_blue

Philosophy Question:

Why is it only the guy with the gun who gets to Stand His Ground? What if Trayvon thought he was being stalked by a pedophile?

The guy who survives gets to "stand his ground".

18 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:02:20am

re: #16 austin_blue

Or just by a random asshole who he thought might do his family harm.

19 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:03:19am

re: #16 austin_blue

Philosophy Question:

Why is it only the guy with the gun who gets to Stand His Ground? What if Trayvon thought he was being stalked by a pedophile?

Thunderdome rules, that's why.

20 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:03:22am

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Send poutine and national health care.

re: #14 The Ghost of a Flea

And Kids in the Hall.

Do you want that gift wrapped or in the raw?

21 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:04:51am

Suspects Charged With Murder and Hate Crimes

One word

GOOD

next time I use that for this case I hope the headline reads

Suspects CONVICTED of Murder and Hate Crimes

22 darthstar  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:05:47am

re: #7 BoonGoggle

What does 'un-American' mean and why is it bad?
- signed [Canadian from Canuckistan (- un-American)]

You're still North American.

But on the serious side, calling heinous attacks such as this 'un-American' is simply a way of separating the actions of a few from the patriotic image of the country as a whole.

23 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:07:00am

re: #22 darthstar

You're still North American.

But on the serious side, calling heinous attacks such as this 'un-American' is simply a way of separating the actions of a few from the patriotic image of the country as a whole.

The All American narrative with the American Dream subtext.

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:07:55am

However when both survive, and both were not engaged in criminal activity, and the conflict with the use of deadly force happened because of a misunderstanding, I suppose both are entitled to SYG protection.

25 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:08:53am

re: #24 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars.

However when both survive, and both were not engaged in criminal activity, and the conflict with the use of deadly force happened because of a misunderstanding, I suppose both are entitled to SYG protection.

Yah, but then it comes down to Rock, Paper, Scissors.

26 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:09:06am

re: #16 austin_blue
Great point.
Or a man like this topic describes. No less scary at all.

27 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:09:43am

re: #17 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars.

The guy who survives gets to "stand his ground".

Great to know that the Old West is making a comeback, huh?

//

28 darthstar  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:12:35am

re: #24 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars.

However when both survive, and both were not engaged in criminal activity, and the conflict with the use of deadly force happened because of a misunderstanding, I suppose both are entitled to SYG protection.

Nope...if both survive then they simply say, "We were just playin' around..." and everyone goes home.

29 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:14:14am

re: #7 BoonGoggle

What does 'un-American' mean and why is it bad?
- signed [Canadian from Canuckistan (- un-American)]

Usage 1: Contradictory to the values and ethics that the user of the word sees as encoded in the history, personages, and documents of the United States of America.

Usage 2: Contrary to the opinions of the user of the word, who views his own belief system as synonymous with what the USA "should be."

30 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:14:23am

re: #28 darthstar

Nope...if both survive then they simply say, "We were just playin' around..." and everyone goes home.

Hard to go home if you have 6 bullets in your legs. /

31 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:14:50am

re: #16 austin_blue

Philosophy Question:

Why is it only the guy with the gun who gets to Stand His Ground? What if Trayvon thought he was being stalked by a pedophile?

Because in the US, guns are so sacred that the guy who has one has moral authority by simple virtue of having one.

32 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:17:21am

re: #31 Renaissance_Man

Because in the US, guns are so sacred that the guy who has one has moral authority by simple virtue of having one.

Well, in this case it's not about the gun as such. It's just probabilistically true that the guy with the gun is more likely to win. But if the other guy throws a knife at him, or if the gun misfires and meanwhile the opponent creatively uses a machete to carve him a new figure, they would still come under SYG protection, despite using other kinds of deadly force.

33 darthstar  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:19:58am

re: #31 Renaissance_Man

Because in the US, guns are so sacred that the guy who has one has moral authority by simple virtue of having one.

It's not that guns are sacred, but if you take them away our penises will go limp!

34 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:21:02am

re: #32 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars.

You change Nics more often than a CIA agent on the run..
/

35 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:21:35am

re: #34 HoosierHoops

You change Nics more often than a CIA agent on the run..
/

Now I have to kill you. /

36 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:22:20am

re: #34 HoosierHoops

No need for sarcasm, because that is actually true. No offense Sergey, but you do change your nic very often.

I've only changed mine twice.

37 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:22:57am

re: #36 ProGunLiberal

No need for sarcasm, because that is actually true. No offense Sergey, but you do change your nic very often.

I've only changed mine twice.

You too. //

38 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:23:28am

STOP PERSECUTING ME!!! [~ Varek Raith]

39 Sionainn  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:24:32am

re: #36 ProGunLiberal

No need for sarcasm, because that is actually true. No offense Sergey, but you do change your nic very often.

I've only changed mine twice.

I always know it's Sergey because his avatar is always the same. I enjoy the various nics because I think they are very clever. Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of imagination, so I've just stuck to my name.

40 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:28:01am

An update on the nerd Trekkie pulled over in IL:

Collinsville police chief backs traffic stop policy
[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

A YouTube video posted in March shows a traffic stop of Ohio resident Terrance Huff by Collinsville Police Officer Michael Reichert as Huff and a friend were traveling from St. Louis. In the 17-minute video, Huff suggests that he was stopped without the officer having probable cause, as required by law, and that Reichert coached his K-9 dog to detect a scent of drugs so that he would have a reason to search Huff's car. No drugs were found and Huff was allowed to leave without receiving a traffic ticket.

"There is no evidence of wrongdoing on this video," Williams said. "This officer did not do anything incorrect or illegal. While some people may think it's distasteful, it's clearly not illegal."

Video in question:

I guess we don't have the right to not be stopped and searched anymore.

41 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:28:17am

re: #36 ProGunLiberal

No need for sarcasm, because that is actually true. No offense Sergey, but you do change your nic very often.

I've only changed mine twice.

No sarcasm.. I was just teasing Sergy..
Are you ready for the big storm?

42 Stanghazi  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:29:45am

OT but my story of the day. I've been pretty stressed lately, to the point where I've got this damn knot in my shoulder and it's killing me. So I go to this Thai massage place this am. It was excellent. I go to pay & the little office girl is there. She has her books on the desk and I see the Sarah Palin book. I look at the others and there is a Catholic studies textbook. Then I notice the framed photo of Sarah & Todd next to her computer monitor.

Kinda lost my relax in 30 seconds flat!!

43 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:30:45am

re: #40 RogueOne

An update on the nerd Trekkie pulled over in IL:

Collinsville police chief backs traffic stop policy
[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

Video in question:

[Embedded content] I guess we don't have the right to not be stopped and searched anymore.

"There is no evidence of wrongdoing on this video," Williams said. "This officer did not do anything incorrect or illegal. While some people may think it's distasteful, it's clearly not illegal."

And that's the point right there, that through laws and court decisions, cops can now treat you like a criminal virtually from the start of an encounter, then when you are finally released, shrug their shoulders and go "We were just following the law." Times I begin to wonder if the loonies claiming we live in a police state aren't all that far off.

44 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:32:27am
45 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:34:47am

Well, that killed the thread. /

46 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:35:14am

re: #45 Millicent Islam

Well, that killed the thread. /

I'm not dead yet!

//

47 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:35:27am

re: #43 Targetpractice

In fairness to the Collinsville PD, the officer in the video was fired for lying on the stand (multiple times) and they were forced to hire him back. OTOH, he was named "Officer of the Month" last month.....

48 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:35:44am

re: #45 Millicent Islam

Well, that killed the thread. /

I was looking for the range of the common Blue Jay.

49 Stanghazi  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:35:56am

re: #44 Millicent Islam

Anyone post this yet?

German Woman Tries to Hold Sexhausted Man Prisoner in Her Apartment

Lol!!

50 Stanghazi  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:36:34am

I was reading!!

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:36:37am

This year the hoax has been as successful as ever:
[Link: www.google.com...]

JERUSALEM — Thousands of Orthodox Christians filled Jerusalem's ancient Church of the Holy Sepulchre and spilled out into the narrow streets on Saturday for the "Holy Fire" ceremony on the eve of Orthodox Easter.
Believers hold that the fire is miraculously sent from heaven to ignite candles held by the Greek Orthodox patriarch in an annual rite dating back to the 4th century that symbolises the resurrection of Jesus.

52 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:37:22am

re: #44 Millicent Islam

Anyone post this yet?

German Woman Tries to Hold Sexhausted Man Prisoner in Her Apartment

FTA: "....insisting that he continue to have sex with her, which he did even after his first escape attempt."

First things first I guess.

53 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:38:14am

re: #48 Gus

I was looking for the range of the common Blue Jay.

I don't know why but this really made me laugh. :) How you doing, Gus?

54 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:38:29am

re: #52 RogueOne

FTA: "...insisting that he continue to have sex with her, which he did even after his first escape attempt."

First things first I guess.

Priorities!

55 darthstar  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:39:48am

re: #52 RogueOne

FTA: "...insisting that he continue to have sex with her, which he did even after his first escape attempt."

First things first I guess.

I'm glad that never happened to me...I'd hate to disappoint someone over and over.

56 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:40:16am

re: #53 Millicent Islam

I don't know why but this really made me laugh. :) How you doing, Gus?

Hey. Bored. Just saw one outside (obviously) -- kind of rare to see one around here. Otherwise I'm hungry; looks like rain; and I have to go get some grub. How's things on your end.

57 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:41:04am

From the sounds of it they didn't just confess, they bragged.

58 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:41:17am
Mexico's rebel Chiapas state is turning its back on Catholicism
The poor and persecuted in the Zapatista bastion embrace Muhammad as well as Marcos

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:42:40am
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- An expert on "canon" law angrily called it "obstruction of justice, cubed" for a Roman Catholic archbishop to have shredded a list of 35 active priests accused of molesting children.
Defense lawyers for Monsignor William Lynn say he prepared such a list in 1994 based on secret archives at the Archdiocese of Philadelphia and gave it to the late Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua. Bevilacqua ordered his top aides to destroy it, according to church documents aired in court.

[Link: www.wsvn.com...]

60 Mattand  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:43:28am

re: #42 Hoodies for Justice. T

OT but my story of the day. I've been pretty stressed lately, to the point where I've got this damn knot in my shoulder and it's killing me. So I go to this Thai massage place this am. It was excellent. I go to pay & the little office girl is there. She has her books on the desk and I see the Sarah Palin book. I look at the others and there is a Catholic studies textbook. Then I notice the framed photo of Sarah & Todd next to her computer monitor.

Kinda lost my relax in 30 seconds flat!!

Was Fox News on the TV and Limbaugh on the radio?

61 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:43:57am

re: #53 Millicent Islam

I don't know why but this really made me laugh. :) How you doing, Gus?

Still crying over what Hilary Rosen said about Ann Romney!

//

[Clutching pearls.]

62 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:44:43am

re: #61 Gus

Still crying over what Hilary Rosen said about Ann Romney!

//

[Clutching pearls.]

Would sir like his fainting couch, perhaps?/

63 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:45:23am

re: #62 Millicent Islam

Would sir like his fainting couch, perhaps?/

I'll also need my fainting coat and slippers.

//

64 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:46:41am

Singular. Coat. As in "his royal fainting coat."

65 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:47:00am

A rash of these stories this weekend. I'll never understand why guys do this:

NC Doc May Have Killed Girlfriend, Colleague, Self in Spree
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Woman who died in NH standoff had dated gunman
[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

Ohio Man Kills Wife, Daughter at Cracker Barrel
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Man sentenced to life for wife's murder at Creve Coeur hospital
[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

Mary Colletta, 30, was stabbed to death on the top deck of the garage at Mercy Hospital St. Louis in Creve Coeur on Aug. 3, 2010. Christopher Colletta, who took the stand in his murder trial, said it was a fit of rage that caused him to stab her 18 times after handing her divorce papers.

66 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:47:08am

re: #63 Gus

I'll also need my fainting coat and slippers.

//

Perhaps some soothing chamomile tea, or a shot of laudanum...

67 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:47:41am

re: #23 BoonGoggle

The All American narrative with the American Dream subtext.

What I think of when I hear the phrase 'American Dream.'

68 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:49:15am

My first marriage ended in divorce. I have pictures of me loading all my stuff up in a U-Haul for my Ex to take. Every picture has me smiling ear-to-ear.

69 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:51:14am

re: #65 RogueOne

A rash of these stories this weekend. I'll never understand why guys do this:

Honor Killings.

70 Mattand  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:51:22am

re: #43 Targetpractice

And that's the point right there, that through laws and court decisions, cops can now treat you like a criminal virtually from the start of an encounter, then when you are finally released, shrug their shoulders and go "We were just following the law." Times I begin to wonder if the loonies claiming we live in a police state aren't all that far off.

Being in a job like law enforcement, it must be incredibly stressful to know that you possibly could end your shift in a body bag. It's a tough job which I in all honesty couldn't perform.

Having said that: I haven't known that many LEOs in my life, but most of them tend to view the Constitution as an annoyance they could do without. And every single one of them knows that they can get away with a lot by uttering the magic phrase "reasonable suspicion."

The recent Supreme Court decision that allows them to basically strip search anyone they feel is going to be as abused as tasers are now.

71 William of Orange  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:52:01am

In hindsight, this link was not appropriate in this thread.

72 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:52:51am

re: #69 The Ghost of a Flea

Honor Killings.

I've always thought of men being the weaker sex when it comes to a break-up. I wonder if there are any studies to prove it.

73 Stanghazi  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:53:36am

re: #60 mattand

Was Fox News on the TV and Limbaugh on the radio?

Hell no! Only this background of tweeting birds.

74 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:54:05am

re: #7 BoonGoggle

What does 'un-American' mean and why is it bad?
- signed [Canadian from Canuckistan (- un-American)]

Un American means "against the values that we hold dear in this country" ... . Stuff like equality and protection of minorities

75 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:54:08am

re: #69 The Ghost of a Flea

Honor Killings.

Still waiting to hear from Geller about this.

76 Mattand  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:55:13am

re: #73 Hoodies for Justice. T

Hell no! Only this background of tweeting birds.

Given the stuff on her desk, I have a vision of a bald eagle draped in an American flag, a la Colbert.

77 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:55:49am

re: #75 Gus

That's awful. I think I might rather be shot dead than have my eyes gouged out.

78 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:56:06am

re: #75 Gus

Still waiting to hear from Geller about this.

I condemn honor killings. They're very un-British.

79 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:56:07am

re: #61 Gus

[Clutching pearls.]

Heh. Reminds me of someone that used to post here a lot.

80 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:56:28am

re: #40 RogueOne

I am sure a policeman bringing the dog to sniff the car during a routine traffic stop would be considered an illegal search. Its the same sort of violation as when drug enforcement cops used to fly over the country side at night using an IR camera to look for barns that were too warm, indicating illegal drug growing lights. That tactic was ruled an illegal search so they had to stop. They can still fly over crops and look for visible signs of crops, but they can't use artificial means. The dog's sense of smell would be considered the same as the IR detectors.

81 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:56:34am

re: #79 Daniel Ballard

Heh. Reminds me of someone that used to post here a lot.

M&Ms?

82 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:56:39am

re: #79 Daniel Ballard

Heh. Reminds me of someone that used to post here a lot.

Who dat?

83 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:57:16am

re: #81 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars.

M&Ms?

Ah.

84 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:57:59am

re: #82 Gus

OhcrapIhaveacrushonsarahpalin

85 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:57:59am

re: #81 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars.

M&Ms?

You new here?

//

86 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:58:06am

re: #70 mattand

Being in a job like law enforcement, it must be incredibly stressful to know that you possibly could end your shift in a body bag. It's a tough job which I in all honesty couldn't perform.

Having said that: I haven't known that many LEOs in my life, but most of them tend to view the Constitution as an annoyance they could do without. And every single one of them knows that they can get away with a lot by uttering the magic phrase "reasonable suspicion."

The recent Supreme Court decision that allows them to basically strip search anyone they feel is going to be as abused as tasers are now.

Human beings are more comfortable with guilt being the assumption and innocence the thing having to be proven. Starting from guilt negates the necessity of proving innocence because why bother? They're guilty.

It removes the requirement of thought because despite the name of our species we generally don't like to think much.

87 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:58:40am

re: #75 Gus

Still waiting to hear from Geller about this.

Ugh, Jimmah and I saw that this morning. How horrible.

88 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 11:59:58am

re: #84 Daniel Ballard

OhcrapIhaveacrushonsarahpalin

Oh. Haven't seen here in ages. Hasn't Tweeted since 12/17.

89 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:00:30pm

re: #87 Millicent Islam

Ugh, Jimmah and I saw that this morning. How horrible.

Nasty. That literally made me think of an eye for an eye. That's what he deserves.

90 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:00:51pm

re: #84 Daniel Ballard

OhcrapIhaveacrushonsarahpalin

We always got along. I wonder what she's up to.

91 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:00:58pm

re: #75 Gus

Still waiting to hear from Geller about this.

You won't. The "honor killing" concept as somehow Muslim...as opposed to patriarchal...is part of her bread and butter. That men in cultures that control women's sexuality do this worldwide, independent of religion or ethnicity...and that their family/friends/society "sympathize" with them such that they're co-conspirators because of societal memes about sexual propriety...doesn't help her pay for her next vodka bottle.

92 Stanghazi  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:01:02pm

re: #87 Millicent Islam

Hey Icey!

93 engineer cat  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:01:53pm

re: #57 Romantic Heretic

From the sounds of it they didn't just confess, they bragged.

they can brag about it from the electric chair

94 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:03:02pm

re: #92 Hoodies for Justice. T

Hey Icey!

Hey cutie! How you doing? What's with this stress you're having?

95 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:03:08pm

Why is playing poker (for money) still illegal in most places?

Police Raid Poker Game, Shoot Caterer
[Link: www.wrcbtv.com...]

96 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:03:24pm

I hope OhCrap is alright. Did she have a twitter?

97 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:03:33pm

re: #91 The Ghost of a Flea

You won't. The "honor killing" concept as somehow Muslim...as opposed to patriarchal...is part of her bread and butter. That men in cultures that control women's sexuality do this worldwide, independent of religion or ethnicity...and that their family/friends/society "sympathize" with them such that they're co-conspirators because of societal memes about sexual propriety...doesn't help her pay for her next vodka bottle.

Bigots are only concerned about crimes committed by a particular race, ethnicity, religion or ideological background. The worse of course being the first three. Ideological concerns tends to only cause minor butthurt.

98 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:04:00pm

re: #88 Gus

Well there is a normal turnover I suppose. Interests and or schedules change. Hopefully for the better. Seems FB has captured the attention of some past frequent posters. I can hardly believe I registered in 08. Time goes so fast!

99 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:04:58pm

re: #96 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars.

I hope OhCrap is alright. Did she have a twitter?

Yep.

100 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:05:17pm

re: #95 RogueOne

Why is playing poker (for money) still illegal in most places?

Police Raid Poker Game, Shoot Caterer
[Link: www.wrcbtv.com...]

Because there are no murderers, thieves and gangsters anymore. Police can't sit without work! /

101 Lidane  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:06:05pm

As someone who has taken on student loans to get a graduate degree, this pisses me off:

Rep. Virginia Foxx On People With Student Loans: ‘I Have Very Little Tolerance’ For Them

Though many politicians sympathize with those who are saddled with exorbitant student debt, Foxx, who chairs the House subcommittee on higher education, had a different take. Appearing on G. Gordon Liddy’s radio show, the North Carolina congresswoman recounted her own experience paying for college, where she worked her way through and graduated after seven years. Foxx then pointed to her own experience as justification for why she has “very little tolerance for people who tell me that they graduate with $200,000 of debt or even $80,000 of debt.” “There’s no reason for that,” she concluded.

She can STFU and get bent. My grad program doesn't give me the luxury of sitting around for seven years. It's a structured two year degree. Law school is usually a three year program. Pharmacy school is 4-5 years. All those programs are expensive as shit, and people often have to pay for them with student loans.

Just because she took seven years to get a bachelor's degree doesn't mean that everyone has that luxury. Fuck her.

102 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:06:14pm

re: #87 Millicent Islam

Ugh, Jimmah and I saw that this morning. How horrible.

Stomach turning horror. Exploitation of these incidents is just morally bankrupt.

How ya been? DL says to say hello too.

103 Stanghazi  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:09:05pm

re: #94 Millicent Islam

Hey cutie! How you doing? What's with this stress you're having?

I'm good! Who knows what the stress is, well other than my company has sent out a revised company directory 3 times THIS MONTH. But really that would be ok, I'm employable, and wouldn't mind a month or 2 off w/unemployment.

104 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:11:37pm

re: #101 Lidane

As someone who has taken on student loans to get a graduate degree, this pisses me off:

Rep. Virginia Foxx On People With Student Loans: ‘I Have Very Little Tolerance’ For Them

She can STFU and get bent. My grad program doesn't give me the luxury of sitting around for seven years. It's a structured two year degree. Law school is usually a three year program. Pharmacy school is 4-5 years. All those programs are expensive as shit, and people often have to pay for them with student loans.

Just because she took seven years to get a bachelor's degree doesn't mean that everyone has that luxury. Fuck her.

Seven years to get a bachelor's?
I got two, a BA and a BSc in less time.

And I paid off my student loans.
What a fuck-nut this woman is.

105 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:11:57pm

re: #101 Lidane

As someone who has taken on student loans to get a graduate degree, this pisses me off:

Rep. Virginia Foxx On People With Student Loans: ‘I Have Very Little Tolerance’ For Them

She can STFU and get bent. My grad program doesn't give me the luxury of sitting around for seven years. It's a structured two year degree. Law school is usually a three year program. Pharmacy school is 4-5 years. All those programs are expensive as shit, and people often have to pay for them with student loans.

Just because she took seven years to get a bachelor's degree doesn't mean that everyone has that luxury. Fuck her.

I'd like to ask her about her opinion on people who use things like Social Security survivor benefits to attain a college education.

106 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:12:34pm

re: #101 Lidane

As someone who has taken on student loans to get a graduate degree, this pisses me off:

Rep. Virginia Foxx On People With Student Loans: ‘I Have Very Little Tolerance’ For Them

She can STFU and get bent. My grad program doesn't give me the luxury of sitting around for seven years. It's a structured two year degree. Law school is usually a three year program. Pharmacy school is 4-5 years. All those programs are expensive as shit, and people often have to pay for them with student loans.

Just because she took seven years to get a bachelor's degree doesn't mean that everyone has that luxury. Fuck her.

How old is she? Somehow I suspect that Rep. Foxx isn't factoring for how cost of living, flat wages, and rising school costs have effected the entire concept of "working through school." Not, I suspect, that she'd care given her history of derp-y statements.

107 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:14:43pm

It's been an eventful weekend already. Time for a nap! Enjoy your day people.


33 Animals Who Are Extremely Disappointed In You
Not angry, just disappointed.
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

20. This Cat
This cat doesn't think you are as clever as you think you are.
Image: enhanced-buzz-6052-1331846120-2.jpg

108 iceweasel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:14:53pm

re: #102 Daniel Ballard

Stomach turning horror. Exploitation of these incidents is just morally bankrupt.

How ya been? DL says to say hello too.

Good! How are you guys? Send our best to DL! I was just in the kitchen rolling out pizza dough. Dinner will be soon!

109 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:15:18pm

re: #101 Lidane

More and more I'm starting to think that secession might be an option. I say this somewhat in jest. Still. I wonder.

110 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:16:27pm

re: #107 RogueOne

It's been an eventful weekend already. Time for a nap! Enjoy your day people.

33 Animals Who Are Extremely Disappointed In You
Not angry, just disappointed.
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Aww. Overload.

111 Lidane  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:16:33pm

re: #106 The Ghost of a Flea

How old is she? Somehow I suspect that Rep. Foxx isn't factoring for how cost of living, flat wages, and rising school costs have effected the entire concept of "working through school." Not, I suspect, that she'd care given her history of derp-y statements.

According to Wiki, she's 69. Got her seven-year bachelor's degree in 1968, a master's in 1972, and an Ed.D. in 1985.

Sorry, but college expenses in the 1960's are nowhere near comparable to what they are now. What I paid in books alone last semester was probably more than what she paid for an entire semester of classes.

112 JeffM70  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:16:55pm

re: #101 Lidane

As the article stated, she obviously doesn't feel the same way about mortgages as she has two of them. I wonder if she considers those as "given" to her. She's a vile woman.

113 Jimmah  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:18:25pm

re: #89 Gus

Nasty. That literally made me think of an eye for an eye. That's what he deserves.

Hi Gus - yeah I would hope that he never gets out of jail, at the very least. He probably will though.

114 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:19:08pm

re: #108 Millicent Islam

Good! How are you guys? Send our best to DL! I was just in the kitchen rolling out pizza dough. Dinner will be soon!

We are fine. Got some good news, I may be inheriting a few bucks. Nothing life changing but enough to add some to my house down payment stash.

My plan to shoot the second to last scene today in my short film PreView (aka Haunted Camera) is probably not going to happen. Got several men with chain saws attacking two dangerously overgrown trees right across the street. Of course the wood chipper is going full throttle. That's indie filming with no studio, no frills. Unless I can call in a favor from a neighborhood guy with a small sound studio... Hmm.

116 Stanghazi  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:20:57pm

re: #111 Lidane

According to Wiki, she's 69. Got her seven-year bachelor's degree in 1968, a master's in 1972, and an Ed.D. in 1985.

Sorry, but college expenses in the 1960's are nowhere near comparable to what they are now. What I paid in books alone last semester was probably more than what she paid for an entire semester of classes.

And this is Virginia Foxx, crazy ball of hate.

117 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:21:03pm

OK. Asked someone about college tuition back in '68. 200 bucks a semester for UC Boulder. So we're talking a lousy 400 bucks a year for UC Boulder.

118 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:23:21pm

re: #117 Gus

OK. Asked someone about college tuition back in '68. 200 bucks a semester for UC Boulder. So we're talking a lousy 400 bucks a year for UC Boulder.

That would be $2,662.80 in today's dollars.

119 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:23:48pm

That college tuition, room and board, text books, etc., skyrocketed isn't a secret.

120 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:24:53pm

re: #118 BoonGoggle

That would be $2,662.80 in today's dollars.

Best guess for University of Colorado at Boulder Tuition is US$ 28,000.00 (2010)

121 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:25:01pm

re: #117 Gus

OK. Asked someone about college tuition back in '68. 200 bucks a semester for UC Boulder. So we're talking a lousy 400 bucks a year for UC Boulder.

Really? My High School tuition back in 68 (freshman) was $325. I did, however, have a 50% sports scholarship

Can't remember what it had gone up to by 71 when I was a senior, but I still had the scholarship, so whatever it was mom/dad only had to fork over half

122 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:25:33pm

re: #111 Lidane

According to Wiki, she's 69. Got her seven-year bachelor's degree in 1968, a master's in 1972, and an Ed.D. in 1985.

Sorry, but college expenses in the 1960's are nowhere near comparable to what they are now. What I paid in books alone last semester was probably more than what she paid for an entire semester of classes.


This is the same Rep that said Health Care was a worse threat than any terrorist in the world
, and referred to the murder of Mathew Shepard by saying "we know that that young man was killed in the commitment of a robbery. It wasn't because he was gay." on the House floor...a straight up lie, given that the criminals used a gay panic defense.

She sucks on monumental scale.

123 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:25:55pm
124 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:26:40pm

re: #118 BoonGoggle

That would be $2,662.80 in today's dollars.

My college is $2,280 a semester for tuition, or $4,560 a year. Now.

125 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:26:47pm

re: #41 HoosierHoops

As ready as I'll ever be. I haven't seen a tornado in my life, so I have expectations.

126 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:28:27pm
127 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:28:31pm

I wonder how much the extra cost is for technology--computers, etc.

128 ProMayaLiberal  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:29:35pm

re: #122 The Ghost of a Flea

She is just a dim-witted piece of crap. And her face even shows crazy. Nasty, horrible woman

129 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:30:01pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

I assume this would work on a tortilla.

Surprisingly, well!!

((hey ,, sometimes ya just gotta make do with what ya got! ))

130 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:31:16pm

re: #128 ProGunLiberal

She is just a dim-witted piece of crap. And her face even shows crazy. Nasty, horrible woman

She does not understand investment.

Welfare and government plans payed for my cousin, who had just had to dump her cheating, lying, thieving husband, to go to college.

She is now an RN who supports her family and...wait for it...pays taxes. Aside from supplying a needed and useful service to the country.

A plan that gets a person to useful, higher-paying employment is GOOD.

131 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:31:48pm

re: #111 Lidane

According to Wiki, she's 69. Got her seven-year bachelor's degree in 1968, a master's in 1972, and an Ed.D. in 1985.

Sorry, but college expenses in the 1960's are nowhere near comparable to what they are now. What I paid in books alone last semester was probably more than what she paid for an entire semester of classes.

Even going to SF Community College was peanuts back in 1990. In-state. Heck. We had one old doctor back near my home town in NJ that used to charge 10 bucks for an office visit.

"Back in my day!!"

132 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:33:00pm

Yes Virginia. Doctors even used to make house calls back in the 60s.

133 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:34:22pm

re: #132 Gus

Yes Virginia. Doctors even used to make house calls back in the 60s.

And accepted chickens as payment!

//

134 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:34:47pm

re: #132 Gus

Yes Virginia. Doctors even used to make house calls back in the 60s.

Doctor Stoller

Black leather satchel and a stethoscope permanently around his neck

135 Jimmah  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:36:30pm

Dinner time! Later folks :)

136 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:37:58pm

Petty's stolen Rickenbacker one of band's many vintage instruments

This story has become a hashtag:

Refresh the page and retweet it from here. (Also, once the page is refreshed, the phone number gets past the [no phone numbers allowed] filter.)

(Also, after the comment is edited, the Twitter style goes away.)

137 Political Atheist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:38:07pm

re: #135 Aye Pod

Nothin' like home made pizza. See ya next time.

138 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:38:34pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

And accepted chickens as payment!

//

Take this slip of paper to the chemist in the morning.

//

139 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:46:25pm

re: #138 Gus

Because he is the only one who can read the receipt. //

140 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:47:05pm

re: #134 sattv4u2

Doctor Stoller

Black leather satchel and a stethoscope permanently around his neck

We are so old.

141 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:47:55pm

re: Hoodies for Justice. T

You're quick on the Tweet.

142 Gus  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:48:05pm

re: #139 PhillyPretzel

Because he is the only one who can read the receipt. //

Pick up a sack of cornpone and a bottle of sarsaparilla while you're in town.

143 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:50:13pm

re: #140 BoonGoggle

We are so old.

If I could lift my walker high enough i'd hit you over the head with it

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN

144 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:51:54pm

re: #143 sattv4u2

I just got my lawn measured and I am getting a fence soon. Yippee. No more *&^%$^ kids on my grass. It might actually grow. wow.

145 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:52:42pm

re: #144 PhillyPretzel

I just got my lawn measured and I am getting a fence soon. Yippee. No more *&^%$^ kids on my grass. It might actually grow. wow.

What happened to your force field?

146 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:53:14pm

re: #145 BoonGoggle

I do not have one. :(

147 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:53:24pm

re: #143 sattv4u2

If I could lift my walker high enough i'd hit you over the head with it

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN

The best strategy when using a walker is to go the ankles and toes first. When they're on the ground you've got your choice of targets, and you don't have to lift as much.

148 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:53:45pm

re: #144 PhillyPretzel

I just got my lawn measured and I am getting a fence soon. Yippee. No more *&^%$^ kids on my grass. It might actually grow. wow.

The grass, or the kids??

149 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:55:00pm

re: #148 sattv4u2

The grass. I do not want the kids. They are the "neighboors"

150 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:55:37pm

re: #146 PhillyPretzel

I do not have one. :(

Oh wow. You're still living in the 21st aren't you?

Come into the 28th like the rest of us.

151 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:56:09pm

re: #150 BoonGoggle

lol

152 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:56:55pm

re: #149 PhillyPretzel

The grass. I do not want the kids. They are the "neighboors"

You can smoke grass, and you can smoke the kids, but one will relax you, the other will raise your blood pressure.

153 Stanghazi  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:57:07pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

You're quick on the Tweet.

Tom Petty's guitars got swiped? This is pretty huge.

154 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:57:38pm

re: #152 BoonGoggle

Rofl

155 austin_blue  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 12:59:23pm

re: #87 Millicent Islam

Ugh, Jimmah and I saw that this morning. How horrible.

Ice! Hope you and Jimmah are well. Had to miss the Edinburgh Harp Festival this year, as She Who Must Be Obeyed was doing Mahler 5.

156 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:01:08pm

re: #24 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars.

However when both survive, and both were not engaged in criminal activity, and the conflict with the use of deadly force happened because of a misunderstanding, I suppose both are entitled to SYG protection.

Yes, that would be the case. But such cases are vanishingly rare. Most shooting by armed citizens who lead otherwise law-abiding lives are are lawful uses of force against dirtbag criminals attempting to commit crimes.

157 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:02:00pm

re: #142 Gus

Pick up a sack of cornpone and a bottle of sarsaparilla while you're in town.

I was visiting a tourist attraction where they gave away old-fashioned candy. Can't remember the name of the stuff, I'll look it up.

Put it in my mouth, waited fifteen seconds to see if it would improve, went over to spit it out.

Trash can was full of pieces of the candy, all probably sucked on for fifteen seconds.

158 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:15:02pm

re: #157 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I was visiting a tourist attraction where they gave away old-fashioned candy. Can't remember the name of the stuff, I'll look it up.

Put it in my mouth, waited fifteen seconds to see if it would improve, went over to spit it out.

Trash can was full of pieces of the candy, all probably sucked on for fifteen seconds.

They didn't offer up any meadow muffins?

159 rwdflynavy  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:16:51pm

Just a quick note to say that Millicent Islam rocks as a NIC!

That is all.

160 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:18:56pm

Horehound candy.

Vile.

161 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:22:00pm

re: #159 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Just a quick note to say that Millicent Islam rocks as a NIC!

That is all.

Quite Concur.

162 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:23:43pm

re: #159 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Nice Pic to go with a neat screen name.

163 rwdflynavy  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:26:54pm

re: #162 PhillyPretzel

Nice Pic to go with a neat screen name.

Thanks! Just found out about that particular Gargoyle on the National Cathedral a couple months ago when I took my eight year old for a tour.

164 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:27:18pm

re: #160 Mostly sane, most of the time.
They did not make it correctly. It is supposed to be sweet and soothing. [Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

165 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:33:08pm

This shows you never issue a physicist a traffic ticket. [Link: autos.yahoo.com...]

166 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:42:47pm

Did I kill another thread? I hope not.

167 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:44:43pm

re: #166 PhillyPretzel

Did I kill another thread? I hope not.

Now there's a new one for you to murder!

168 kirkspencer  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 1:50:41pm

re: #164 PhillyPretzel

They did not make it correctly. It is supposed to be sweet and soothing. [Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

No, it's not. It's going to be bittersweet. Horehound is bitter - boy is it bitter - and you're going to taste it regardless how much sugar you add.

And yes I know that from experience.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 2:01:15pm

re: #15 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars.

With all the information, yes, but without it might not have been clear to the police initially that the black people were dead specifically because black people were targeted, rather than because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This. In a community with a large black population, it might not initially be clear that race was a factor. I can see having a truly 'random' shooting spree in a lot of areas around me claim three black victims without being specifically targeted, simply because that's who'd be out and about.

Given what we now know, of course, that changes.

170 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 2:03:29pm

re: #168 kirkspencer

So the stuff my dad liked was very sweet probably was not horehound. okay.

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 2:03:50pm

re: #7 BoonGoggle

What does 'un-American' mean and why is it bad?
- signed [Canadian from Canuckistan (- un-American)]

It's a way of saying 'this person from within our national community does not uphold the standards and ideals we consider to be American'.

Different from 'non-American', which could simply mean "British" or "Sri Lankan".

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 2:07:11pm

re: #67 Romantic Heretic

What I think of when I hear the phrase 'American Dream.'

[Embedded content]

I think of the song from "Miss Saigon".

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 14, 2012 2:10:42pm

re: #106 The Ghost of a Flea

How old is she? Somehow I suspect that Rep. Foxx isn't factoring for how cost of living, flat wages, and rising school costs have effected the entire concept of "working through school." Not, I suspect, that she'd care given her history of derp-y statements.

When my parents were students, UC Berkeley cost fifty bucks a semester to attend, IIRC. And housing was cheap. I know people who literally worked their way through Berkeley in four years, waitressing evenings.

Those days are long over.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

TwitterFacebook

Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing!
For about 33 cents a day (per month) or 22 cents a day (per year), our subscription option turns off all advertisements at LGF!
Read more...

► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Articles

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Pages

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form
LGF Pages

This button leads to the main index of LGF Pages, our user-submitted articles. You can post your own LGF Pages simply by registering a free account with us.

Create a Page

This is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.

Last updated: 2014-03-07 2:19 pm PST

LGF User's Guide
Recent Pages
Randall Gross
Hands on With Facebook’s Nearby Friends
There's a lot that Facebook allows you to share with your friends. On Thursday, the company added "exact location" to that list. Facebook's new Nearby Friends feature enables you to flip a switch to start broadcasting your location with friends in the area. If you see someone nearby with whom you want to meet up, you can tap a button, and send them ...

14 hours, 41 minutes ago
Views: 93 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
FemNaziBitch
A 12-Year-Old’s Trek of Despair Ends in a Noose at the Border
Noemi Álvarez Quillay took the first steps of the 6,500-mile journey to New York City from the southern highlands of Ecuador on Tuesday, Feb. 4, after darkness fell. A bashful, studious girl, Noemi walked 10 minutes across dirt roads that cut through corn and potato fields, reaching the highway to Quito. She carried a small suitcase. Her grandfather Cipriano Quillay flagged down a ...

14 hours, 43 minutes ago
Views: 298 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
palmerskiss
Debate Discrimination - Houston Chronicle
We're glad to see Mayor Annise Parker finally stand up and propose a human rights commission that will provide local due process for victims of public discrimination. Parker told the Chronicle editorial board that she plans to release a formal version of her proposal within the next few weeks, but sometimes the process is just as important as the result. As the energy ...

1 day, 8 hours ago
Views: 139 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
cycroft
Russ Campbell’s Blog: Bill C-23, Fair Elections Act Seems Now on Solid Ground
Now that a Sen­ate com­mit­tee has rec­om­mended nine changes to Bill C-23, Fair Elec­tions Act, the leg­is­la­tion seems pretty solid. And, since Pierre Poilievre has, ap­par­ently, in­di­cated pri­vately that he's open to changes, an amended ver­sion of the bill will likely be­come law by this sum­mer. We would prob­a­bly have got­ten to this point ear­lier had not the min­is­ter re­spon­si­ble for the bill ...

1 day, 10 hours ago
Views: 105 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
MichaelJ
Live now - 2014 Rip Curl Pro Bells Beach - ASP World Tour
More: 2014 Rip Curl Pro Bells Beach - ASP Iconic Bells Beach in Victoria, Australia once again hosts the world's best surfers for the 41st running of the Bells Beach Contest. New feature in this broadcast: drone cam!

2 days, 6 hours ago
Views: 216 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 3 • Rating: 0
Skip Intro
Why the Temperature of the Yellow Sea Is a Big Deal, and Other Questions About the South Korean Ferry Disaster
The boat ran into trouble several dozen miles from Jindo, an island that sticks out of South Korea's southwestern corner like a little toe. Jindo is surrounded by a group of even smaller islands that are slightly farther afield from the mainland. The ferry was curving around those small islands at the time it issued a distress call. What caused the disaster? We ...

2 days, 11 hours ago
Views: 389 • Comments: 3
Tweets: 25 • Rating: 1
Idle Drifter
Calgary stabbings: How knife crime in Canada can cause ‘moral panic’
What Calgary police chief Rick Hanson called the "worst mass murder" in the city's history didn't end at the barrel of a gun. Instead, the 22-year-old suspect identified on Tuesday as Matthew de Grood is accused of entering the kitchen at a house party, taking "a large knife" and using it to fatally stab four men and one woman, all of whom were students ...

3 days, 22 hours ago
Views: 280 • Comments: 6
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
aagcobb
New York Electoral College: State Joins National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.
Ben Mathis-Lilley, Slate: New York Electoral College: State Joins National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Instead of pushing for a Constitutional amendment, which would have to be ratified in 38 states, advocates ask individual state legislatures to pass an agreement: that they'll pledge all their presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote as soon as enough other states pass the law to ...

4 days, 4 hours ago
Views: 282 • Comments: 7
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 2
Political Atheist
The Insane History of Rockets at Jet Propulsion Laboratories
The Rocket Boys In the late 1930s, a group of Caltech graduate students were booted off campus after blowing up (part of!) their building during a rocket test gone awry. Unwilling to give up on the joy of semi-controlled explosions, the students and a few of their friends headed into the San Gabriel Mountains. They picked a deserted gully -- Arroyo Seco -- ...

5 days, 1 hour ago
Views: 301 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 3
iossarian
Drug Companies Want Your Money
Two thematically-related stories on the BBC at the moment: UK drug company Glaxo 'paid bribes to Polish doctors' UK drug company GlaxoSmithKline is facing a criminal investigation in Poland for allegedly bribing doctors, BBC Panorama has discovered. Tamiflu: Millions wasted on flu drug, claims major report Hundreds of millions of pounds may have been wasted on a drug for flu that works no better ...

5 days, 8 hours ago
Views: 297 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 8 • Rating: 0
 Frank says:

You see, when I was a kid I used to save up for a month, so I could get an R&B album and, the same day, the completed works of Anton Webern. Maybe that means something. Maybe that tells you something about my music. -- Excerpt from the book "Rock and Other Four Letter Words", copyright 1968.