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Ted Nugent: ‘If Obama Becomes President, I’ll Either Be Dead or in Jail’

“We need to chop their heads off in November”
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Here’s good ol’ Ted Nugent (a frequent guest on the vile white supremacist radio show Political Cesspool, which also regularly features David Duke), spewing deranged hatred at President Obama and pledging, “If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”

(h/t: Right Wing Watch.)

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424 comments

1 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:06:24am

Or crapping himself.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:07:04am

Oh if only.//

3 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:07:20am
I will either be dead or in jail

DUI or dope bust?

4 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:07:52am

‘If Obama Becomes President, I’ll Either Be Dead or in Jail’

Challenge accepted!

as a side note: Why doesn't the Nuge have a gig as the celebrity spokeman for Depends?

5 erik_t  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:09:04am

And nothing of value was lost.

6 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:10:23am

Yeah, I'll believe it just as soon as all those celebs who said they'd leave the country if Bush was reelected pack their bags and GTFO.

7 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:10:27am

So Obama becomes President and the Nuge ends up behind bars or shuffles off to join the choir invisible...

the downside being?

8 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:12:54am

He should be behind bars for crimes against the guitar anyway.
/

9 jaunte  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:13:28am
"I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

Do you promise?

10 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:13:41am

You too can help defy the tyrannical "emperor" by voting for America's first CEO this November...

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:14:24am

We're such callous and hard-hearted bastards. /

12 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:14:40am

re: #7 Kragar

So Obama becomes President and the Nuge ends up behind bars or shuffles off to join the choir invisible...

the downside being?

I don't know why everyone's gasping over this statement. These two possibilities don't bother me one bit.

13 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:14:47am

I'm thinking he's insane enough to arrange a suicide by cop so that he can 'prove' Obama is a Kenyan-Islamist-Socialist dictator.

15 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:18:43am

re: #13 Romantic Heretic

I'm thinking he's insane enough to arrange a suicide by cop so that he can 'prove' Obama is a Kenyan-Islamist-Socialist dictator.

He's insane enough to want somebody else to die but he don't wanna die.

17 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:19:43am

If Nuge hasn't already been carted off to prison, why does he think that he'll be carted off if Obama is reelected? Obama will have carte blanche to eliminate his political enemies (though who knows if Obama even considers Nuge to be anything more than a musical nuisance, if even that).?

18 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:20:25am

re: #16 Oblivious Troll

Nah, I think that's a bad idea.

I agree, though its funny from a "stop giving him ideas!" point of view.

19 Michael McBacon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:22:16am

The Indonesia remark fits right in with the White Supremacist schtick.

20 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:26:36am

He'll be in jail because the american family association will finally discover the lyrics to Wango Tango?

21 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:27:22am

re: #18 Kragar

I agree, though its funny from a "stop giving him ideas!" point of view.

Am I wrong to think that some pro-gun Americans see past the bubble and realize he hasn't actually done a thing to restrict gun rights?

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:28:23am

Why do celebrities make personal threats about what they will do to themselves--and think we'll care?

23 aagcobb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:31:17am

re: #21 Oblivious Troll

Am I wrong to think that some pro-gun Americans see past the bubble and realize he hasn't actually done a thing to restrict gun rights?

You forget that the NRA President revealed that not doing anything to restrict gun rights is all part of Obama's evil plan to restrict gun rights.

24 aagcobb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:32:44am

Can you imagine the explosion of racist outrage that would occur in the wingnutosphere if a rap artist said the same thing about Romney?

25 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:35:23am

He sure talks big for an old guy off his rocker.

26 bluecheese  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:36:46am

re: #14 Kragar

a question for Obama: If the NRA is going to pretend that you’re aggressively pursuing gun control anyway, then why not actually do it?

they would shoot him over that shit. they'll prolly try anyway.

gun nuts are some crazy fucking people. they do not need any encouragement.

nope. Obama aint gonna touch gun legislation with any kinda pole. no way. no how.

27 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:38:19am

re: #22 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Why do celebrities make personal threats about what they will do to themselves--and think we'll care?

Their inflated self image tells them they are so important the masses will have no choice but to do as they say.

28 Batman  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:42:31am

It's like it says in Revelation: upon winning a second term, the Obama Beast gains the ability to pass any kind of laws and no one can do anything about it. It is written that he not only takes away guns, but puts every christian in FEMA camps and replaces Congress with a council of muslim extremists. The book does clearly indicate that there will be a glorious uprising in God's name, led by a mysterious figure known only as "The Nuge." Unfortunately, there's no indication as to whether this man ends up dead or in prison.

29 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:44:08am

re: #28 Batman

and replaces Congress with a council of secular muslim extremists.

FTFY.

30 Michael McBacon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:45:28am

re: #29 wrenchwench

Oxymorons seem to be lost on morons.

31 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:45:34am

I wish I could upding myself, 'cause I'm just too witty by half.

32 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:46:07am
33 Lidane  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:46:22am

re: #10 Oblivious Troll

You too can help defy the tyrannical "emperor" by voting for America's first second CEO this November...

Remember -- Dubya had an MBA and was the how-to guy who was going to whip government into shape and run it like a business. Or something.

34 aagcobb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:47:38am

re: #33 Lidane

Remember -- Dubya had an MBA and was the how-to guy who was going to whip government into shape and run it like a business. Or something.

Yep, he ran it like it was Enron.

35 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:47:46am

re: #32 Kragar

No, by the junior students at a British boarding school. Must have been hell in there.

36 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:47:54am

re: #32 Kragar

Speakers At Boston’s Tea Party Event Scream At Protesters: ‘We Will Not Be Silenced By Faggots’

They were being silenced by bundles of wood?
/

Lit cigarillos.

37 Lidane  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:48:39am

re: #34 aagcobb

Yep, he ran it like it was Enron.

He never promised it would run like a successful business. Heh.

38 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:50:02am

Charles, if I may, I want to propose an idea of how to stop bumping off of the pages from the "Recent" list without limiting the no. of posts.

After all, we're not concerned with how many pages people actually post, but only with prolific posters not bumping off more rare posters off the list too quickly. But then the only thing that needs to be limited is the number of slots in the "Recent" list per user. 1, maybe 2 max.

I.e. if user A posts 15 pages and the limit is 2, his last two posted articles will be on the top of the list, until another poster comes along and posts his or her n pages, which then will be on top, but taking no more than 2 slots.

This will not discourage participation both by prolific and rare posters. What do you think?

39 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:52:12am

re: #32 Kragar

Speakers At Boston’s Tea Party Event Scream At Protesters: ‘We Will Not Be Silenced By Faggots’

They were being silenced by bundles of wood?
/

But the left are the real bigots.

40 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:52:15am

re: #38 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

The optimal variant could be to limit each user to 1 slot in the sidebar *but* also provide a link next to each name which would dynamically show n latest articles by the user.

41 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:52:22am

re: #38 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

I second this.

42 Lidane  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:52:27am

re: #14 Kragar

a question for Obama: If the NRA is going to pretend that you’re aggressively pursuing gun control anyway, then why not actually do it?

Dear hack,

Stop offering up shitty ideas. There are enough of them out there already.

No love,
Me

43 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:52:34am

re: #38 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Charles, if I may, I want to propose an idea of how to stop bumping off of the pages from the "Recent" list without limiting the no. of posts.

After all, we're not concerned with how many pages people actually post, but only with prolific posters not bumping off more rare posters off the list too quickly. But then the only thing that needs to be limited is the number of slots in the "Recent" list per use. 1, maybe 2 max.

I.e. of user A posts 15 pages and the limit is 2, his last two posted articles will be on the top of the list, until another poster comes along and posts his or her n pages, which then will be on top, but taking no more than 2 slots.

This will not discourage participation both by prolific and rare posters. What do you think?

Won't help, rare posters will still get booted off quickly.

44 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:52:46am

Wingnut promises to lose his last remaining morsel of shit if Obama is re-elected, hints at violence.

45 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:53:09am

re: #40 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

The optimal variant could be to limit each user to 1 slot in the sidebar *but* also provide a link next to each name which would dynamically show n latest articles by the user.

This makes more sense.

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:53:25am

re: #43 b_sharp

Won't help, rare posters will still get booted off quickly.

I don't think so.

47 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:54:07am

re: #43 b_sharp

Won't help, rare posters will still get booted off quickly.

We don't have too many prolific posters and they usually post at specific times.

48 erik_t  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:56:59am

re: #44 Aye Pod

Wingnut promises to lose his last remaining morsel of shit if Obama is re-elected, hints at violence.

I understand Nugent lost his last remaining morsel of shit sometime in the late 1960s.

49 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:58:05am

re: #40 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

The optimal variant could be to limit each user to 1 slot in the sidebar *but* also provide a link next to each name which would dynamically show n latest articles by the user.

As it is now if you click on one link from a user, you will see the most recent 5 pages.

50 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:58:05am

re: #48 erik_t

I understand Nugent lost his last remaining morsel of shit sometime in the late 1960s.

His bank of shit is overdrawn. It's a problem affecting a great many wingnuts.

51 Interesting Times  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:58:46am

re: #48 erik_t

I understand Nugent lost his last remaining morsel of shit

I believe it went into his pants:

"I got 30 days' notice of the physical, I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. [presumably to foul his lab tests] A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up."

52 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:59:07am

re: #48 erik_t

I understand Nugent lost his last remaining morsel of shit sometime in the late 1960s.

Was that one of the options in the book "1001 Ways to Dodge the Draft" written by, a member of the Fugs (I forget his name)

53 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:59:10am

re: #49 Learned Mother of Zion

Yeah, but to make it so you don't have to go to another page - just a dynamic div with the latest headlines.

54 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:59:29am

My post just got eated.

It was a brilliant reposte to Sergey's point, and I can't remember what it said.

56 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:01:17pm

Damn I wish there was such a thing as a gold magnet. I just lost an earring back on the carpet and can't find the little bugger.

57 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:02:13pm

re: #52 Learned Mother of Zion

Was that one of the options in the book "1001 Ways to Dodge the Draft" written by, a member of the Fugs (I forget his name)

Was he the Fug ugly one?

58 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:03:53pm

If I get any more bored, I'll start leaking.

59 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:05:15pm

Get the fuck away from here you ugly little alien buggers.

60 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:06:15pm
"I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."

Either one works fine for me, you disgusting POS.

It makes me want to puke that I ever liked this pig's music and put a money in his pocket buying his records when I was a kid.

61 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:06:25pm

re: #48 erik_t

I understand Nugent lost his last remaining morsel of shit sometime in the late 1960s.

I'll bet his parents always told him to save some shit to eat later.

62 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:06:31pm

re: #58 b_sharp

So you didn't get the memo about the brown acid?

63 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:07:17pm

I didn't think it possible, but he actually gives the soul patch a bad name.

64 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:07:47pm

re: #62 Obdicut

So you didn't get the memo about the brown acid?

No.
Was the memo telling me to avoid the brown, or take extra?

65 kirkspencer  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:08:09pm

My wife heard the Nuge and asked: "Did he just make an assassination declaration?"

66 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:09:22pm

re: #65 kirkspencer

My wife heard the Nuge and asked: "Did he just make an assassination declaration?"

He didn't actually say anything, but he did blow something out of his ass.

67 darthstar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:09:59pm

Someone needs to tell the Nuge that Barack Obama is already the president and he needs to make his decision now.

68 allegro  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:10:49pm

re: #65 kirkspencer

My wife heard the Nuge and asked: "Did he just make an assassination declaration?"

Oh please, he was just JOKING! Can't you lefties take a fucking joke?!

////

69 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:11:02pm

re: #63 Talking Point Detective

I didn't think it possible, but he actually gives the soul patch a bad name.

I was thinking the same thing about the ponytail. But I thought the thing on his chin was from lunch.

70 Lidane  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:11:09pm

I seem to recall quite a few celebrities threatening to leave the United States if Dubya got re-elected and they're still here.

Nuge doesn't have the balls to back up his words.

71 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:11:39pm

re: #67 darthstar

Someone needs to tell the Nuge that Barack Obama is already the president and he needs to make his decision now.

Someone needs to tell the Nuge that he will eventually have to back all his bravado up with action or lose his sycophants.

72 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:11:42pm

re: #38 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Or how about changing the "recent pages" list to a list of the 10 or so people that recently posted pages. Each poser listed could have a few of their page titles shown by default with a arrow to expand the list of their posts.

73 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:11:51pm

No fool like an old fool. Nuge is 63.

74 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:12:01pm

David Barton's Relentless Dishonesty

It is honestly getting to the point where we now have to check nearly every factual assertion that Barton makes because so many of them turn out to be fundamentally false.

75 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:13:01pm

Testing another Comedy Central video, Ugly Americans:

76 allegro  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:13:24pm

re: #74 Kragar

David Barton's Relentless Dishonesty

Why check? Just assume they're all false and ignore him.

77 erik_t  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:13:39pm

Washingtonians are possibly less than ecstatic at the opportunity to be represented by Dennis Kucinich.

The possibility of a Kucinich run here [Washington state] "horrified" state Democratic Party Chairman Dwight Pelz, who has repeatedly discouraged the idea.

"Dennis Kucinich has to decide what his legacy is going to be. Will he be remembered as a principled member of Congress or the narcissist who lost two Congressional races in two states the same year?" Pelz said.

You either laughed, or you're lying because we all know you laughed.

78 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:13:44pm

re: #72 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

Or how about changing the "recent pages" list to a list of the 10 or so people that recently posted pages. Each poser listed could have a few of their page titles shown by default with a arrow to expand the list of their posts.

That's basically my proposal.

79 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:13:55pm

re: #72 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

Or how about changing the "recent pages" list to a list of the 10 or so people that recently posted pages. Each poser listed could have a few of their page titles shown by default with a arrow to expand the list of their posts.

Or just the most recent one from each of the 10 most recent Page posters. They can chase their own off the list.

80 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:14:35pm

re: #70 Lidane

I seem to recall quite a few celebrities threatening to leave the United States if Dubya got re-elected and they're still here.

Nuge doesn't have the balls to back up his words.

Back in the old days I swore that if Reagan was elected there would be a nuke war and I'd head to the mountains. I even bought a 4X4 and had my brother and his gf convinced to join us.

I sucked out.

81 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:15:49pm

Herman Cain's 'Army of Davids'

Not even a company of Davids.

82 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:17:30pm

re: #81 Oblivious Troll

Herman Cain's 'Army of Davids'

Not even a company of Davids.

One of the speakers at his Davidian gathering was supposed to be Dinesh D'Souza - `nuff said.

83 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:17:56pm

re: #74 Kragar

David Barton's Relentless Dishonesty

I got that impression a decade ago, when Barton was sharing a stage with Ken Ham at an Answers In Genesis assembly nearby --that a friend invited me to.

84 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:18:48pm

re: #83 abolitionist

I got that impression a decade ago, when Barton was sharing a stage with Ken Ham at an Answers In Genesis assembly nearby --that a friend invited me to.

And you went?

85 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:19:01pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

These are good ideas. I especially like the idea of having only one recent Page per author, with their name popping up a list of their last 5 previous posts. That sounds like a doable thing.

86 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:20:44pm

re: #84 b_sharp

And you went?

She invited me. We were engaged briefy.

87 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:21:10pm

re: #68 allegro

Oh please, he was just JOKING! Can't you lefties take a fucking joke?!

///

No, we take our fucking extra seriously.

88 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:21:12pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I think Sergey's original two is a good idea-- maybe expand the total number of pages shown to accommodate it. But sometimes people post highly-related pages, which are interesting to look at together.

89 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:22:19pm

re: #86 abolitionist

She invited me. We were engaged briefy.

So it was sexually motivated. I'd go too.

90 nines09  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:23:56pm

Ted said he never did drugs or alcohol. I think he's a prime example of someone who gorges on their own ego. Or a good enough reason to have a drink now and then. He was a dick 30 years ago and he's a dick today. Never bought a single record by Smelly so I never helped his ego trip.

91 nines09  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:25:10pm

re: #24 aagcobb

Can you imagine the explosion of racist outrage that would occur in the wingnutosphere if a rap artist said the same thing about Romney?

They'd have a fucking canary.

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:26:46pm

re: #91 Krathing Daeng

They'd have a fucking canary.

93 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:27:25pm

Sinead does a good job singing Mother with Roger.

94 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:28:12pm

Hrm. One of my QA guys doesn't quite get it. He just greenlighted a build for Gold Master, and now he's submitting bugs on it.

It's one of those days.

95 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:28:40pm

re: #91 Krathing Daeng

They'd have a fucking canary.

"A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush."

I'm not really sure about that.

96 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:30:42pm

re: #94 Obdicut

Hrm. One of my QA guys doesn't quite get it. He just greenlighted a build for Gold Master, and now he's submitting bugs on it.

It's one of those days.

Buggy release (supposedly stable) version? Not good.

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:30:46pm

re: #94 Obdicut

Hrm. One of my QA guys doesn't quite get it. He just greenlighted a build for Gold Master, and now he's submitting bugs on it.

It's one of those days.

His time arrow is just opposite to yours.

98 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:31:10pm

re: #97 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

His time arrow is just opposite to yours.

He sucks entropy?

99 dragonfire1981  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:31:19pm

Ok, trying this again since I failed this morning.

How many of you consider this image offensive?

Image: tumblr_lmls63oByQ1qhds96o1_400.jpg

100 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:31:30pm

re: #98 b_sharp

He sucks entropy?

I don't know about entropy...

101 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:31:47pm

re: #89 b_sharp

So it was sexually motivated. I'd go too.

Crocodile Song

102 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:31:51pm

re: #92 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

[Embedded content]

Are you the one on the left?

103 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:31:55pm

re: #96 b_sharp

Well it hasn't gone anywhere yet. this is like fifteen minutes after he said "Gold master!"

I'm just wondering if he knows what Gold Master actually means, or if he thinks it's just a cool word.

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:32:50pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

Are you the one on the left?

I'm the puppeteer. Bwahahaha.

105 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:33:38pm

re: #99 dragonfire1981

Ok, trying this again since I failed this morning.

How many of you consider this image offensive?

Image: tumblr_lmls63oByQ1qhds96o1_400.jpg

Nothing wrong with the image, however, the implication the left doesn't value children is annoying.

106 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:34:10pm

re: #32 Kragar

Speakers At Boston’s Tea Party Event Scream At Protesters: ‘We Will Not Be Silenced By Faggots’

They were being silenced by bundles of wood?
/

Well the teabag party is all about Freedomz so I'm sure they totally meant it in government-spending is out of control way. /

107 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:34:14pm

re: #99 dragonfire1981

Ok, trying this again since I failed this morning.

How many of you consider this image offensive?

Image: tumblr_lmls63oByQ1qhds96o1_400.jpg

To my intelligence.

108 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:34:53pm

re: #103 Obdicut

Well it hasn't gone anywhere yet. this is like fifteen minutes after he said "Gold master!"

I'm just wondering if he knows what Gold Master actually means, or if he thinks it's just a cool word.

Time for a new memo, methinks.

109 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:35:46pm

Hugging and Kissing Banned From Egyptian Public TV

A group of Islamic supervisors of the Egyptian Public Broadcaster will be in charge of removing 'immoral ' footage from films the network has in its archives. The ban will apply to scenes featuring hugging, kissing and belly dancing. As reported by the daily Kuwait al-Anba, which quotes sources from inside the Network, such a decision could bring about either the removal of important scenes from movies that are an integral part of Egypt's cinema or their complete ban from any TV programming. Such movies have been aired several times in the past already. The daily believes that the setting up of a supervising authority on cinema and TV content is a clear indication of the ground which the Islamic parties have been gaining in post- Mubarak Egypt. According to the daily's sources, censorship will be applied to the last 50 years of filmmaking.

Dancing? Somebody notify Kevin Bacon!

110 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:35:58pm

re: #107 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

To my intelligence.

I was going to reply to your entropy comment, but my ideas just fell apart.

111 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:37:43pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Hugging and Kissing Banned From Egyptian Public TV

Dancing? Somebody notify Kevin Bacon!

Come on people, it's the 21st century!
We can put put frikkin lasers on sharks but we can't dance. That's a tad stupid isn't it?

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:37:46pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Ah yes, their own "nipple" scandal.

113 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:38:31pm

re: #99 dragonfire1981

Ok, trying this again since I failed this morning.

How many of you consider this image offensive?

Image: tumblr_lmls63oByQ1qhds96o1_400.jpg

Should I post an add saying call me about my old couch as well?

114 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:39:35pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Hugging and Kissing Banned From Egyptian Public TV

Dancing? Somebody notify Kevin Bacon!

It is 'gateway sexuality', ask any god fearing christians (but we are nothing like those mooslims).

115 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:39:38pm

re: #111 b_sharp

Come on people, it's the 21st century!
We can put put frikkin lasers on sharks but we can't dance. That's a tad stupid isn't it?

It's not a good sign. For now it's just the state owned tv channel but I wouldn't be surprised to see the morality panel start to expand its power.

116 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:39:44pm

re: #101 abolitionist

Crocodile Song

The wife is a big Pearls Before Swine fan so I'm going to show her this for sure.

117 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:42:31pm

re: #114 RayFerd

It is 'gateway sexuality', ask any god fearing christians (but we are nothing like those mooslims).

Dancing leads to fucking and we can't have that. Only Daddy is allowed to enjoy himself in bed.

118 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:43:24pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

It's not a good sign. For now it's just the state owned tv channel but I wouldn't be surprised to see the morality panel start to expand its power.

I really do not understand the authoritarian mindset.

119 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:51:19pm

re: #118 b_sharp

I really do not understand the authoritarian mindset.

I think it's part of human nature. Everybody has a touch of it and you see it all over the place. Richard Dawkins thinks raising children as Christians should be considered child abuse. Christian groups want to control the airwaves to protect the morality of children. Catholic league doesn't want crappy artists to pee on a crucifix. CAIR doesn't want you to draw Mohammed. etc. Everybody wants to be the censor.

120 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:53:51pm

re: #114 RayFerd

It is 'gateway sexuality', ask any god fearing christians (but we are nothing like those mooslims).

Heh, as a kid I remember watching "I love Lucy" and how Lucy & Ricky always slept in separate beds.

121 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:54:04pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Egypt aint the "Love Shack" :

"Huggin' and a kissin', dancin' and a lovin', wearin' next to nothing
Cause it's hot as an oven"

122 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:55:13pm

re: #121 EdDantes

Egypt aint the "Love Shack" :

"Huggin' and a kissin', dancin' and a lovin', wearin' next to nothing
Cause it's hot as an oven"

Upding for B-52 ref.

123 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:57:26pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

I think it's part of human nature. Everybody has a touch of it and you see it all over the place. Richard Dawkins thinks raising children as Christians should be considered child abuse. Christian groups want to control the airwaves to protect the morality of children. Catholic league doesn't want crappy artists to pee on a crucifix. CAIR doesn't want you to draw Mohammed. etc. Everybody wants to be the censor.

Yah, you're right. I should have narrowed it down a bit. I don't understand the absolute authority foundation for morals.

124 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:58:08pm

re: #122 b_sharp

Upding for B-52 ref.

Even though I'm a life-long Rock and Roller, the B-52's were one of my guilty pleasures.

125 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:59:27pm

re: #124 EdDantes

Even though I'm a life-long Rock and Roller, the B-52's were one of my guilty pleasures.

Same here. Well, two of them were.

126 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:00:31pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

I think it's part of human nature. Everybody has a touch of it and you see it all over the place. Richard Dawkins thinks raising children as Christians should be considered child abuse. Christian groups want to control the airwaves to protect the morality of children. Catholic league doesn't want crappy artists to pee on a crucifix. CAIR doesn't want you to draw Mohammed. etc. Everybody wants to be the censor.

Really?

127 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:01:32pm

re: #123 b_sharp

Yah, you're right. I should have narrowed it down a bit. I don't understand the absolute authority foundation for morals.

Actually his pants are slighty on fire here.

128 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:07:56pm

The never ending onslaught of anti-ME propaganda continues.

129 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:08:15pm

re: #127 Gus

Actually his pants are slighty on fire here.

Richard doesn't, but I've heard that idea from atheists many times.

130 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:09:59pm

Hey, Ted constantly proves how much of a "real man" he is by shooting anything that walks, crawls, or flies with a high powered rifle. If you can't trust someone that is excited by killing totally defenseless, unsuspecting, and non-threatening animals from long range for direction on your political beliefs then whom else could you possibly trust?

///

131 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:10:09pm

OT.

GSA scandal reduced to a single headline:

"Government Wastes Money!"

132 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:10:21pm

The Assyrian International News Agency is a privately funded, independent news agency which provides news and analysis on Assyrian and Assyrian-related issues. It was founded by Peter BetBasoo and Firas Jatou in 1995.

Yes. That's Peter BetBasoo at Frontpage magazine.

133 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:11:44pm

re: #130 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Hey, Ted constantly proves how much of a "real man" he is by shooting anything that walks, crawls, or flies with a high powered rifle. If you can't trust someone that is excited by killing totally defenseless, unsuspecting, and non-threatening animals from long range for direction on your political beliefs then whom else could you possibly trust?

///

Daveeeyyyy...Davy Crockett, king of the wild frontier.

Davy used his bare hands.

134 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:11:46pm

Arab Spring democracy on the march: Hugging and kissing banned from Egyptian public TV
Posted by Robert Spencer on April 16, 2012 2:07 AM | 39 Comments

135 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:12:10pm

re: #126 Gus

Really?

[Embedded content]

I hadn't realized he backtacked on that. I got it from an old interview with him, I think from Channel 4. It was on a park bench.

136 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:16:54pm

re: #133 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Daveeeyyy...Davy Crockett, king of the wild frontier.

Davy used his bare hands.

"Killed him a bear when he was only three!11!!!eleventy1!"

Not sure I would trust Davy either, he must have been quite the psychopath to kill a bear at only three years old... :p

///

137 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:17:42pm

re: #133 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Daveeeyyy...Davy Crockett, king of the wild frontier.

Davy used his bare hands.

Killed him a bear when he was only three.

138 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:18:02pm
139 leftynyc  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:18:11pm

re: #56 b_sharp

Damn I wish there was such a thing as a gold magnet. I just lost an earring back on the carpet and can't find the little bugger.

If I do that in the office I use the pencil eraser on the top of any old fashioned pencil. Works great in a pinch.

140 A Mom Anon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:19:01pm

Just. Oh. Sigh. There's nothing sadder than an overcompensating gun fondler.

141 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:19:07pm

re: #139 leftynyc

What's a pencil? /

142 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:19:12pm

Half assed new report from some wingnut news site started by some guy that wrote for Frontpage. And it's being promoted by Weasel Zippers and Jihad Watch. Uh huh. Give me a freaking break.

143 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:19:18pm

re: #134 Gus

And? Tennessee is doing the same. They are both fucking stupid.

144 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:19:52pm

re: #131 EdDantes

OT.

GSA scandal reduced to a single headline:

"Government Wastes Money!"

Hate to break it to folks, but that's a feature, not a bug.

145 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:20:08pm

re: #141 lawhawk

What's a pencil? /

It is a stylus used to make cuneiform marks on soft clay.

146 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:20:13pm

re: #143 ProGunLiberal

And? Tennessee is doing the same. They are both fucking stupid.

I doubt Egypt is doing this. It's either being hyped up or they're not doing it at all. Just the usual wingnut BS.

147 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:20:16pm

re: #136 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

"Killed him a bear when he was only three!11!!!eleventy1!"

Not sure I would trust Davy either, he must have been quite the psychopath to kill a bear at only three years old... :p

///

What the history books fail to tell us is it was a Teddy bear sent by his great great great great (X 6) grand daughter through time for his birthday. He panicked and stabbed it with a wooden stick 42 times.

148 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:21:09pm

re: #139 leftynyc

If I do that in the office I use the pencil eraser on the top of any old fashioned pencil. Works great in a pinch.

We have no shortage of backs, but they're not gold.

149 Poiks  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:22:03pm

re: #22 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Why do celebrities make personal threats about what they will do to themselves--and think we'll care?

I thought he was trying to make the nation more upbeat. Certainly it worked for ME, especially given the 9-point Obama lead in CNN's most recent poll.

150 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:23:05pm

re: #148 b_sharp

We have no shortage of backs, but they're not gold.

Try walking around barefoot on the carpet. I always find something to step on when I do that.

151 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:25:47pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

Hate to break it to folks, but that's a feature, not a bug.

You obviously write software. :)

152 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:28:11pm

re: #151 EdDantes

You obviously write software. :)

Nah, just have two parents in the military. Government spending is always one of two things: "underfunded" and "wasted." Most often it ends up the latter because if you only spend what you needed that year, the government bean-counters assume you don't really need the rest of the money and cut it, meaning you don't have it when you really do need it.

153 Mattand  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:29:10pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

I hadn't realized he backtacked on that. I got it from an old interview with him, I think from Channel 4. It was on a park bench.

And another "atheists are just like the religious" meme dies a deserved death.

154 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:29:24pm

re: #150 Kragar

Try walking around barefoot on the carpet. I always find something to step on when I do that.

I'm sure one of the cats will find it eventually. I always go barefoot, but the only things I find are the needles my wife drops when she's pinning up clothes to sew.

Well I did find a darning needle when I was 11.

155 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:29:35pm
156 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:35:31pm

re: #153 mattand

And another "atheists are just like the religious" meme dies a deserved death.

I'm an atheist and my appreciation for Dawkins is somewhat limited. He routinely refers to raising religious children as child abuse. I understand his basic concept but his wording is unnecessarily inflammatory. If he really doesn't intend it to be treated as literal child abuse he probably shouldn't use the term.

157 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:38:05pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

You should read his brilliant books, The Selfish Gene and The Extended Phenotype. They're excellently-written and very lucid.

158 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:38:43pm

Deception most foul!

You Think That's Kobe Beef? That's a Lie!

It is now illegal to import (or even hand carry for personal consumption) any Japanese beef. Before 2010 you could import only boneless fresh Japanese beef, but none was real Kobe. Under Japanese law, Kobe beef can only came from Hyogo prefecture (of which Kobe is the capital city), where no slaughterhouses were approved for export by the USDA.

159 Lidane  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:42:35pm

re: #157 Obdicut

I really like The Greatest Show on Earth. It's a great read.

I'm really interested in his latest book, but between finishing school and trying to pay the bills, I just can't spare the time or money. Maybe once school is done and I'm back to working full time again I'll give it a go.

160 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:43:25pm

re: #155 Gus

Try something more recent. Egypt Porn Ban: Court Orders Censorship Of Pornographic Websites

An Egyptian court has ordered the government to ban pornographic Internet websites in order to protect society and its values.

The decision and a similar initiative in parliament has fed into fears by liberal and secular Egyptians that their country is moving down the path to fundamentalist Islam, following a sweeping victory by Islamists in parliamentary elections.

Things have changed since the Islamists won big in the elections. It's something to keep an eye on and Egypt's liberals and secularists are the most concerned. It's not a wingnut conspiracy.

161 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:44:28pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Try something more recent. Egypt Porn Ban: Court Orders Censorship Of Pornographic Websites

Things have changed since the Islamists won big in the elections. It's something to keep an eye on and Egypt's liberals and secularists are the most concerned. It's not a wingnut conspiracy.

I saw that. It's their business. Sorry but the Egyptians don't need your help.

162 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:46:05pm

re: #157 Obdicut

You should read his brilliant books, The Selfish Gene and The Extended Phenotype. They're excellently-written and very lucid.

No thanks. I'm already an atheist and not particularly interested in Dawkins. I still haven't read much Hitchens either. He's a brilliant thinker but reading about atheism is exceedingly boring to me.

163 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:46:49pm

Well. This is boring. BBL

164 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:47:05pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

No thanks. I'm already an atheist and not particularly interested in Dawkins.

Um. They're his books about biology. Since, you know, he is one of the world's most pre-eminent biologists, and achieved awesomeness in it.

165 Lidane  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:48:46pm

A deadbeat dad says what?

Joe Walsh Challenged Duckworth To A Debate At The Same Time That She Was Serving Army Duty

Last Friday, Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) challenged his Democratic opponent — Iraq war veteran Tammy Duckworth — to a debate. Walsh posted an announcement on his campaign website which stated that the congressman would be hosting a town hall on Sunday, and that he “has invited his opponent Tammy Duckworth to join him because he believes the voters deserve to have the ability to directly compare their competing views on the issues.”

Unfortunately, she was unable to attend. Why? Because Duckworth, who serves in the Army National Guard, was on duty this past weekend. As VoteVets told ThinkProgress, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Duckworth was legally prohibited from appearing at any campaign events while on duty.

166 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:49:18pm

Outer Space

167 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:49:22pm

re: #161 Gus

I saw that. It's their business. Sorry but the Egyptians don't need your help.

Maybe he could go to their conservative web sites and plant some porn in the comments. That would help!

168 Lidane  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:49:24pm

re: #164 Obdicut

Um. They're his books about biology. Since, you know, he is one of the world's most pre-eminent biologists, and achieved awesomeness in it.

Oh, but didn't you know? All his books are about atheism. Or something.

169 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:50:55pm

The Selfish Gene


Brilliant book, amazingly readable. He's really got the talent for expressing highly complex concept in an accessible way.

170 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:51:29pm

re: #165 Lidane

The biggest scumbag in the US House right now.

And that is saying alot, considering there is some very stiff competition.

171 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:51:58pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

Same in the civilian world: If you don't exceed your budget you can expect a cut.

172 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:52:04pm

re: #163 Gus

Well. This is boring. BBL

That's too bad because here's a Lebanese paper reporting the same story: 60’s too sexy for modern Egypt

Not content to stamp out current examples of the “moral deviancy” that they claim is ruining their country, Egyptian authorities have begun doing retroactive censorship. Religious and political figures have started going through the archives of the Masapero Library – which houses Egyptian movies from the 50’s and 60’s – in order to get rid of the scenes where people are seen “kissing and dancing,” according to this article.

Some of the country’s greatest cultural gifts to the Arab world are on the cutting block, including films featuring famous belly dancers Najwa Fouad, Tahia Carioca, and Samia Gamal as well as movies starring Farid al-Atrash, Sabah and the iconic Abdul Halim Hafez.

The effort to de-fun Egypt’s heritage is being led by the ironically-named Freedom and Justice and Al-Nour Parties.

Now, it came as no surprise when they decided to ban internet porn last week, but this is a new and unsettling low. If mild stuff from the 60’s is being deemed offensive, imagine what’s next.

Here's the arabic source article
[Link: www.almadapaper.net...]

It might be true, it might not. Let's see what happens.

173 erik_t  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:53:17pm

Keep digging, Romneybot and the Romneybotettes.

WALLACE: [Romney] also says that he would get rid of Planned Parenthood -- federal funding for Planned Parenthood. [...]

GILLESPIE: My point -- look, people can disagree with that, but it's not fair to say not having federal funding for Planned Parenthood is defunding Planned Parenthood.

174 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:53:31pm

Nagwa Fouad

175 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:54:03pm

And:

The Extended Phenotype

A really, really interesting building on his biological theories, showing how taxonomy is complicated by interdependence. It also re-establishes in a extremely robust way the theory of the gene being the unit of replication.

177 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:54:40pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

So, they think us westerners are deviated preverts?

178 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:56:36pm

re: #154 b_sharp
Wait till this evening...turnout the lights...get on your hands and knees with a flashlight...ah...what were we talking about??
...Oh yeah...close the blinds...and you should see the reflection off the
gold...or not!

179 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:56:44pm

re: #177 EdDantes

So, they think us westerners are deviated preverts?

re: #177 EdDantes

So, they think us westerners are deviated preverts?

That wouldn't be so bad but they think they're own Egyptian culture and heritage is deviant. They can't destroy our culture but they can destroy their own.

180 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:57:17pm

re: #173 erik_t

Keep digging, Romneybot and the Romneybotettes.

GILLESPIE: My point -- look, people can disagree with that, but it's not fair to say not having federal funding for Planned Parenthood is defunding Planned Parenthood.

How is taking away funding not "defunding"? And who really gives a shit if it's "fair" to say so?

181 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:58:55pm

re: #158 Oblivious Troll

Deception most foul!

You Think That's Kobe Beef? That's a Lie!

Oh there is gonna be a foodie fight now! Just give me good angus anyway. Angus Prime Beef rocks.

182 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:59:15pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

They're saying that because PP is funded in other ways, that it's not defunding it. It's narrowly true for one way of looking at it, but misses the main point: Without those funds, PP would have to close a lot of clinics. It'd certainly hurt PP and make them smaller. Whether it'd be enough to critically doom them-- maybe, maybe not.

183 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:00:47pm

re: #182 Obdicut

They're saying that because PP is funded in other ways, that it's not defunding it. It's narrowly true for one way of looking at it, but misses the main point: Without those funds, PP would have to close a lot of clinics. It'd certainly hurt PP and make them smaller. Whether it'd be enough to critically doom them-- maybe, maybe not.

Add to that the fact that the ultimate goal IS to critically doom them -- that's certainly what the anti-choice forces want. Their goal is for PP to go the same way as ACORN.

184 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:01:25pm

re: #158 Oblivious Troll

Deception most foul!

You Think That's Kobe Beef? That's a Lie!

The extra years of inactivity and forced feeding are what makes it so tasty. It's veal-plus.//

185 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:01:49pm

re: #182 Obdicut

They're saying that because PP is funded in other ways, that it's not defunding it. It's narrowly true for one way of looking at it, but misses the main point: Without those funds, PP would have to close a lot of clinics. It'd certainly hurt PP and make them smaller. Whether it'd be enough to critically doom them-- maybe, maybe not.

It may be enough to critically doom some patients who depend on them.

186 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:01:55pm

re: #182 Obdicut

They're saying that because PP is funded in other ways, that it's not defunding it. It's narrowly true for one way of looking at it, but misses the main point: Without those funds, PP would have to close a lot of clinics. It'd certainly hurt PP and make them smaller. Whether it'd be enough to critically doom them-- maybe, maybe not.

As we're seeing in Texas, the plan is to yank the funding sources one by one. Once the federal funds go, it's easier to go after the state and then local funds.

187 erik_t  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:03:20pm

re: #182 Obdicut

They're saying that because PP is funded in other ways, that it's not defunding it. It's narrowly true for one way of looking at it, but misses the main point: Without those funds, PP would have to close a lot of clinics. It'd certainly hurt PP and make them smaller. Whether it'd be enough to critically doom them-- maybe, maybe not.

In the context of a campaign for a federal official, any non-federal funding seems entirely irrelevant. If Romney wishes to have no federal dollars go to Planned Parenthood, in every meaningful sense he wishes to defund Planned Parenthood.

188 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:03:43pm

Old Mittens is getting awful cocky.

Romney tells Obama to 'start packing' in interview with Diane Sawyer

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

What an arrogant douchebag. Has any candidate ever talked like this?

189 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:04:18pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Try something more recent. Egypt Porn Ban: Court Orders Censorship Of Pornographic Websites

Things have changed since the Islamists won big in the elections. It's something to keep an eye on and Egypt's liberals and secularists are the most concerned. It's not a wingnut conspiracy.

Perhaps Egypt's liberals & secularists would be better off making strong, organized moves towards addressing things such as corruption & bribery, poverty, women's rights, etc. instead of worrying about censorship of internet pornography. Part of what made the MB popular to begin with was their provision of social services.

But, hey, what's democracy without p0rn? //

190 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:05:06pm

re: #187 erik_t

In the context of a campaign for a federal official, any non-federal funding seems entirely irrelevant. If Romney wishes to have no federal dollars go to Planned Parenthood, in every meaningful sense he wishes to defund Planned Parenthood.

Apparently Mitt thinks that everyone is as dumb as the GOP base and don't know this.

191 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:05:22pm

re: #188 moderatelyradicalliberal

Old Mittens is getting awful cocky.

Romney tells Obama to 'start packing' in interview with Diane Sawyer

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

What an arrogant douchebag. Has any candidate ever talked like this?

Trying to put on the "tough guy" act for the base. What Willard hasn't figured out is that they're not buying it.

192 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:06:12pm
193 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:06:24pm

re: #181 Daniel Ballard

Oh there is gonna be a foodie fight now! Just give me good angus anyway. Angus Prime Beef rocks.

The real food hipsters are into water buffalo meat.

(I made that up, but don't be surprised if it comes true)

194 blueraven  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:06:27pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

That's too bad because here's a Lebanese paper reporting the same story: 60’s too sexy for modern Egypt

Here's the arabic source article
[Link: www.almadapaper.net...]

It might be true, it might not. Let's see what happens.

Even if it is true, they are not the first. I am a classic move buff and I love the pre code movies from the late 20s and early thirtys. But some didnt like those movies very much.

...between the introduction of sound in the late 1920s[1] and the enforcement of the Motion Picture Production Code (usually labeled, albeit inaccurately after 1934, as the "Hays Code") censorship guidelines. Although the Code was adopted in 1930, oversight was poor and it did not become rigorously enforced until July 1, 1934. Before that date, movie content was restricted more by local laws, negotiations between the Studio Relations Committee (SRC) and the major studios, and popular opinion than strict adherence to the Hays Code, which was often ignored by Hollywood filmmakers.

As a result, films in the late 1920s and early 1930s included sexual innuendo, miscegenation, illegal drug use, infidelity, abortion, intense violence and homosexuality. Strong women dominated films such as Female, Baby Face, and Red-Headed Woman. Gangsters in films like The Public Enemy, Little Caesar, and Scarface were more heroic than evil. Along with featuring stronger female characters, films examined female subject matters that were not revisited until much later in Hollywood history...

...Beginning in late 1933, and escalating throughout the first half of 1934, American Roman Catholics launched a campaign against what they deemed the immorality of American cinema. This, plus a potential government takeover of film censorship and social research seeming to indicate that so-called "bad" movies could promote bad behavior, was enough pressure to force the studios to capitulate to greater oversight.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

195 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:06:31pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

Trying to put on the "tough guy" act for the base. What Willard hasn't figured out is that they're not buying it.

What the hell? That's pretty egregious.

196 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:08:06pm

re: #181 Daniel Ballard

Oh there is gonna be a foodie fight now! Just give me good angus anyway. Angus Prime Beef rocks.

Grass fed Highlander. There is nothing special about an Angus, just another overly fat (aka "Prime" rating) corn fed cow. Take it and let it only eat grass? Now that's good eating.

197 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:08:25pm

re: #189 CuriousLurker

Perhaps Egypt's liberals & secularists would be better off making strong, organized moves towards addressing things such as corruption & bribery, poverty, women's rights, etc. instead of worrying about censorship of internet pornography. Part of what made the MB popular to begin with was their provision of social services.

But, hey, what's democracy without p0rn? //

The liberals and secularists were steamrolled in the elections. I don't think the problem was messaging or their policies. The MB was much better organized and already had political infrastructure in place. I really don't think the liberals stood a chance.

198 blueraven  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:08:56pm

re: #195 Obdicut

What the hell? That's pretty egregious.

He loves to fire people and kick them out of their homes.
/half

199 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:09:27pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

Trying to put on the "tough guy" act for the base. What Willard hasn't figured out is that they're not buying it.

I'm sure the president is shacking in his boots.

//

200 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:09:34pm

re: #177 EdDantes

So, they think us westerners are deviated preverts?

Ok. I am anyway.

201 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:10:17pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

Trying to put on the "tough guy" act for the base. What Willard hasn't figured out is that they're not buying it.

I'm noting an uptick in .sigs at even moderate gun sites to the effect of this one: "I'd rather eat glass than vote for Romney". The really far right ones hate Obama while also thinking Mittens is even worse. Kind of funny to me ;)

202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:11:07pm

I'VE GOT YOU IN A STRANGLEHOLD BABEH

Scott Weinrich could eat your weak rock for lunch, nuge, go back to your republican clown show

203 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:11:30pm

re: #201 William Barnett-Lewis

I'm noting an uptick in .sigs at even moderate gun sites to the effect of this one: "I'd rather eat glass than vote for Romney". The really far right ones hate Obama while also thinking Mittens is even worse. Kind of funny to me ;)

Maybe that's because unlike Obama, Romney has actually signed laws restricting gun rights and they know it.

204 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:11:46pm

re: #195 Obdicut

What the hell? That's pretty egregious.

Apparently, one of the Romneybot's programmers uploaded "ConfidentAsshole.exe" without making sure it was out of the beta stage.

205 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:12:39pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

Apparently, one of the Romneybot's programmers uploaded "ConfidentAsshole.exe" without making sure it was out of the beta stage.

More like "OverConfidentAsshole.exe".

206 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:13:56pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

Apparently, one of the Romneybot's programmers uploaded "ConfidentAsshole.exe" without making sure it was out of the beta stage.

Romney said

We don't divide America based upon success and wealth and other dimensions of that nature. We're one nation under God ....

So we divide America based upon religion. We'll see how that works out for him.

207 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:14:55pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

Romney said

So we divide America based upon religion. We'll see how that works out for him.

One would think Willard would avoid too much of the God talk when his own party's not exactly sure he worships the same one they do.

208 Stoatly  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:18:45pm
209 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:20:38pm

re: #200 EdDantes

Ok. I am anyway.

You're either not the only one, or if you are, you sure do buy a LOT of Porn!!
//

210 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:23:36pm

re: #196 William Barnett-Lewis

Grass fed Highlander. There is nothing special about an Angus, just another overly fat (aka "Prime" rating) corn fed cow. Take it and let it only eat grass? Now that's good eating.

And when you're done eating, you can smoke the rest.

211 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:23:59pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

Oh, I so want to point out Mormon Theology on this.

I admit I get tweaked about Mormonism for one reason. Their view on women. Essentially, a woman can only get to the highest levels of heaven if they are married. To me, that says that they think women are somehow worth less than men. With all of my friends actually being women, this pisses me off to no end.

Are there issues right now is Islam regarding women? Yes. However, at the core, the religion realizes women are humans too. Mormonism has a distinct issue with this. Along other things.

212 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:24:27pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

The liberals and secularists were steamrolled in the elections. I don't think the problem was messaging or their policies. The MB was much better organized and already had political infrastructure in place. I really don't think the liberals stood a chance.

Well, then I suggest that the liberals and secularists get their shit together posthaste and demonstrate that they can do something useful beyond organizing protests. Egypt is a poor country and basic necessities are often in short supply. If I have children who are hungry and need an education, I'm going to turn to the people who can provide that. If I am sick or my husband is hurt, we're going to turn to people who can provide us with free medical care so we can continue working and trying to scrape by. Ditto for clean water, electricity, etc.

Here is not there, they are not us...they have their own set of very serious problems and I'm sure internet censorship is pretty low on their list of Important Things to Worry About. They're going to try to survive and take care of their families as best they can given their current circumstances. I know would do the same, and I'll bet you and everyone else here would also.

213 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:25:58pm

re: #212 CuriousLurker

Here is not there, they are not us

but I thought We Are The World!!!

((I'm so cornfusseled))

214 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:26:04pm

re: #211 ProGunLiberal

Oh, I so want to point out Mormon Theology on this.

I admit I get tweaked about Mormonism for one reason. Their view on women. Essentially, a woman can only get to the highest levels of heaven if they are married. To me, that says that they think women are somehow worth less than men. With all of my friends actually being women, this pisses me off to no end.

Are there issues right now is Islam regarding women? Yes. However, at the core, the religion realizes women are humans too. Mormonism has a distinct issue with this. Along other things.

Did anyone point out that men can't get to the highest levels of heaven without being married, either?

215 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:29:13pm

re: #214 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Did anyone point out that men can't get to the highest levels of heaven without being married, either?

If you're in heaven what does it matter if you aren't on the top floor? Is that where the mattresses are kept?

216 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:29:20pm

re: #212 CuriousLurker

What I find fascinating is that MB and Al-Nour want to pursue the same free-market hokum that has caused so much misery elsewhere. They have nearly no worry of actually helping impoverished Egyptians. They are basically saying that forcing religion will somehow making Egypt richer. This magical thinking, at best.

At worst, we have a bunch of snake oil salesmen.

217 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:29:23pm

re: #214 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Did anyone point out that men can't get to the highest levels of heaven without being married, either?

...Not just married but TEMPLE married...and the wife is still pumping out baabies..spirit babies and sex and all that sort of thing ...

218 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:30:37pm

re: #214 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Did anyone point out that men can't get to the highest levels of heaven without being married, either?

levels of heaven! HOW HIGH CAN YOU GET?!?!?!

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:31:03pm

re: #215 b_sharp

If you're in heaven what does it matter if you aren't on the top floor? Is that where the mattresses are kept?

they all want the high score

220 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:31:12pm

re: #218 windupbird is in the gravity well

only three floors....sorry!

221 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:32:46pm

re: #220 reloadingisnotahobby

only three floors...sorry!

Which floor contains the electronics?

222 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:33:11pm

re: #211 ProGunLiberal

Oh, I so want to point out Mormon Theology on this.

I admit I get tweaked about Mormonism for one reason. Their view on women. Essentially, a woman can only get to the highest levels of heaven if they are married. To me, that says that they think women are somehow worth less than men. With all of my friends actually being women, this pisses me off to no end.

Are there issues right now is Islam regarding women? Yes. However, at the core, the religion realizes women are humans too. Mormonism has a distinct issue with this. Along other things.

I was raised Catholic. They have some women issues too. I am now an atheist. You look to me like someone in a glass house throwing stones.

223 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:33:46pm

re: #213 sattv4u2

Here is not there, they are not us

but I thought We Are The World!!!

((I'm so cornfusseled))

It has it's limits. For example, I'd prefer that Ted Nugent confine himself to wingnutistan and stay the hell out of my world.

224 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:33:48pm

re: #221 b_sharp

Which floor contains the electronics?

...can I get back to you on that?

225 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:34:28pm

re: #209 sattv4u2

You're either not the only one, or if you are, you sure do buy a LOT of Porn!!
//

Someone must keep the industry flourishing. It's my patriotic duty.

226 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:35:35pm

re: #209 sattv4u2

You're either not the only one, or if you are, you sure do buy a LOT of Porn!!
//

Porn is shovel ready.

227 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:35:50pm

re: #225 EdDantes

Someone must keep the industry flourishing. It's my patriotic duty.

Not buying porn means you're letting the terrorists win.

228 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:39:08pm

re: #177 EdDantes

So, they think us westerners are deviated preverts?

Of course, some of us are!

229 palomino  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:39:48pm

Is it wrong of me to hope that, regardless of the election results, Ted Nugent ends up both dead and in jail?

230 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:40:39pm

re: #228 Dancing along the light of day

re: #177 EdDantes

So, they think us westerners are deviated preverts?

Of course, some of us are!

Not me, I'm a preverted deviant.

231 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:40:49pm

re: #208 Stoatly

[Embedded content]

She sounds and looks like a new Chrissie Hynde.

232 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:41:09pm

re: #229 palomino

Is it wrong of me to hope that, regardless of the election results, Ted Nugent ends up both dead and in jail?

Yes.

233 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:41:40pm

re: #229 palomino

Is it wrong of me to hope that, regardless of the election results, Ted Nugent ends up both dead and in jail?

Someone else has to be harmed for that to happen.

234 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:42:33pm

re: #233 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Someone else has to be harmed for that to happen.

Not if he shits himself to death as a form of protest.

235 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:42:36pm

re: #225 EdDantes

Someone must keep the industry flourishing. It's my patriotic duty.

I rise up and salute you!!

ummm,, wait ,, that doesn't sound right!

236 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:43:20pm

re: #230 b_sharp

...P0rn is for those with no imagination...according to my wife
... ah... ah..Morgan..Morgan Fairchild..yea that's it!!

237 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:44:12pm

re: #229 palomino

Is it wrong of me to hope that, regardless of the election results, Ted Nugent ends up both dead and in jail?

Yes. Ted Nugent is a harmless celebrity just like Alec Baldwin, ie., who have more opinions than smarts. I wish no harm on those creative persons who have no appreciable influence on the general public.

238 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:44:46pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

She sounds and looks like a new Chrissie Hynde.

Here's the new Chrissie Hynde! (Although I'm still fine with the one we've got...)

239 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:46:06pm

re: #237 EdDantes

... and Alec can make money reminding everyone of the fact
he IS an asshole...What's in your wallet!

240 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:47:39pm

re: #239 reloadingisnotahobby

... and Alec can make money reminding everyone of the fact
he IS an asshole...What's in your wallet!

Well, it's not an Alec Baldwin size condom.

241 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:47:41pm

re: #216 ProGunLiberal

I think it's pretty clear that you didn't bother to read the article I referenced, so I'll just say that what the MB does or doesn't do isn't up to us.

Your knee-jerk hatred of everything fundie isn't helpful. I don't care for fundies of any stripe either, but I don't think they're all evil and I know how to deal with them without flying into a vein throbbing, spittle-flecked rage (though I can do that quite well too, if the situation requires it.)

242 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:47:46pm

re: #238 makeitstop

Here's the new Chrissie Hynde! (Although I'm still fine with the one we've got...)

[Embedded content]

That's after she's had her coffee. :)

Or she's a new Joan Jett.

243 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:48:13pm

re: #233 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Someone else has to be harmed for that to happen.

Not at all. He could be arrested for poaching, and then contract stage IV assholism while in prison.

244 Lidane  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:48:55pm

re: #188 moderatelyradicalliberal

Old Mittens is getting awful cocky.

Romney tells Obama to 'start packing' in interview with Diane Sawyer

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

What an arrogant douchebag. Has any candidate ever talked like this?

Dear Mitt,

Let's do lunch. I'll tell you all about inevitable candidacies.

Sincerely,
Hillary Clinton

245 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:49:43pm

re: #241 CuriousLurker

(though I can do that quite well too, if the situation requires it.)

That's one of the things I love about you.

246 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:51:46pm

Exclusive: Romney Sells Inauguration Access, Nine Months Early

The offer, in a fundraising email circulated by a top Georgia supporter to fellow Republicans and obtained by BuzzFeed, is one of several goodies offered to those who contribute more than $50,000 to the joint fundraising committee known as "Romney Victory," a program whose outlines were first reported by POLITICO.

Those donors will be named "Founding Members" of Romney Victory and invited to a California retreat with Romney and offered "yet to be determined access at the Republican National Convention in Tampa in August."

They will also "have preferred status at the first Presidential Inaugural retreat," the email says.

The copy of the email obtained by BuzzFeed was forwarded by Richard Stormont, a former executive at the Marriott hotel chain, on whose board Romney sat.

247 Lidane  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:52:35pm

Kansas State Senators Flooded With Out-Of-State Anti-Sharia Emails

“I had a large number of emails — like in the thousands — during the last couple weeks of session (before the current break),” said Sen. Jeff King, R-Independence.

King said he had to instruct his assistant to funnel them into a separate folder and further separate the emails that actually came from his constituents, which he said narrowed the number to “dozens.”

Sen. Tim Owens, R-Overland Park, recently said his inbox also was full of anti-Sharia emails, most of them from out-of-state.

248 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:53:18pm
249 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:56:13pm

re: #241 CuriousLurker

I did read what you had said. And you are right about the Social Services. However, there economic politics will do nothing to help Egypt. Free-Market Politics have never worked. I see this as a racket to keep them in power.

Keep the economy in poor condition/or make sure wealth mostly goes to the top. Then have Social Services groups by the party keep the poor at just the bare minimum for survival, gaining their votes. While at the same time riling these people up against "enemies," like the Copts.

My dealings with Fundamentalist Christians in the past have made me bitterly cynical about any action any fundamentalist of any religion does. I assume they have bad intent.

250 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:56:38pm

re: #246 Kragar

Thank you for the campaign ad, Romney!

251 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:58:31pm

Yo Ted Nugent, better get your affairs in order!
CNN Poll & Page

252 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 2:59:07pm

re: #245 wrenchwench

That's one of the things I love about you.

Heh, I save those up for special occasions. You should see me wig out in person—I have a really strong, loud voice and have been told I can make the walls shake. One of my exes said when I get really angry I'm like a tiger with a bee up its ass. Not a pretty picture, but fairly accurate. LOL

In all seriousness though, I don't like to get that angry. It's exhausting and always leaves me feeling like I failed somehow.

253 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:06:09pm

Good Afternoon Lizards
Dear Algebra. Stop asking us to find your X
She's not coming back..

254 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:06:49pm

re: #252 CuriousLurker

Still amazed at how un-cynical you are compared to me. Or maybe I am misreading it.

When I get angry, it tends to be hard to force me out of it. Usually, a person just needs to let me run myself down by just letting me attack the thing I am pissy at until I get tired of doing so,

255 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:07:12pm

re: #253 HoosierHoops

Hey, Hoops. Good to see you. Hope you've been well.

256 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:07:46pm

re: #253 HoosierHoops

Good Afternoon Lizards
Dear Algebra. Stop asking us to find your X
She's not coming back..

But Y?

257 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:08:05pm

re: #253 HoosierHoops

Well played.

A snarky picture with the same concept.

258 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:08:09pm

Hey all,

I'm really disappointed in Ted. I used like the guy, craziness can be cool, but I can't support this shit.

How is your life today?

259 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:08:37pm

re: #253 HoosierHoops

Good Afternoon Lizards
Dear Algebra. Stop asking us to find your X
She's not coming back..

If you're lucky, she's not stalking you!
Hey Hoops!

260 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:08:46pm

re: #256 Kragar

ANNND, here's the pun thread.

261 Mattand  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:09:48pm

re: #252 CuriousLurker

Heh, I save those up for special occasions. You should see me wig out in person—I have a really strong, loud voice and have been told I can make the walls shake. One of my exes said when I get really angry I'm like a tiger with a bee up its ass. Not a pretty picture, but fairly accurate. LOL

In all seriousness though, I don't like to get that angry. It's exhausting and always leaves me feeling like I failed somehow.

In my personal experience, people rarely listen to me unless I'm yelling. I have a real lack of charisma issue, apparently.

262 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:10:09pm

re: #242 wrenchwench

That's after she's had her coffee. :)

Or she's a new Joan Jett.

When Brody winds up, she sounds more like Courtney Love than any of them.

263 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:10:42pm

re: #255 CuriousLurker

Hey, Hoops. Good to see you. Hope you've been well.

Hi You! My life is going to change this year.. I'm moving back home.
/Snoopy dance
Be Well CL!

264 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:11:37pm

re: #257 ProGunLiberal

Well played.

A snarky picture with the same concept.

And, of course, x is 5 in real life.

You should all know that without a calculator.

3-4-5 is one of the perfect right triangles.

265 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:12:00pm

I listened to the NPR author interview today about this book regarding Sharia Law. Written by a British Human Rights attorney. Very interesting. I really liked the author, who is a Muslim.

266 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:12:06pm

re: #246 Kragar

Exclusive: Romney Sells Inauguration Access, Nine Months Early

What's a 'Presidential Inaugural retreat?'

Is that where Mittens and his supporters get together and divide up the country?

267 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:12:35pm

I just saw this story on Think Progress:

Oklahoma State Senator Justifies Need For ‘Open Carry’ Gun Law Due To Threat From Wild Turkeys

I got nothin.

re: #263 HoosierHoops

Not before graduation though!! Do you know what events you might be at, aside from cleaning up dead trees?

268 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:13:06pm

re: #259 Dancing along the light of day

If you're lucky, she's not stalking you!
Hey Hoops!

Hi You..Thanks for the email.. I'll reply Tuesday...
You are a sweetheart..

269 Tigger2005  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:13:20pm

The Nuge has that "Cat Scratch Fever" which causes insanity I believe.

I miss the good old days when you could count on rock'n'rollers to be peace-loving stoners. Except for Elvis of course.

270 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:13:41pm

re: #264 Mostly sane, most of the time.

True, but sometimes purposely obtuse answers are good. I would have given partial credit for that.

271 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:14:20pm

re: #268 HoosierHoops

Hi You..Thanks for the email.. I'll reply Tuesday...
You are a sweetheart..

And I thought I was a slow typer!!!!

272 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:14:28pm

re: #265 ggt

No surprise here:

In his new book, Heaven on Earth, Kadri turns his sights east, to centuries of Shariah law. The first parts of his book describe how early Islamic scholars codified — and then modified — the code that would govern how people lead their daily lives. Kadri then turns to the modern day, reflecting on the lawmakers who are trying to prohibit Shariah law in a dozen states, as well as his encounters with scholars and imams in India, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt, Turkey and Iran — the very people who strictly interpret the religious and moral code of Islam today. And some of those modern interpretations, he says, are much more rigid — and much more draconian — than the code set forth during the early years of Islamic law.

273 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:15:13pm

I never understood the finding x problems. I never really cared where or what x was. Why would I?

274 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:15:39pm

re: #254 ProGunLiberal

Still amazed at how un-cynical you are compared to me. Or maybe I am misreading it.

When I get angry, it tends to be hard to force me out of it. Usually, a person just needs to let me run myself down by just letting me attack the thing I am pissy at until I get tired of doing so,

If 17 years driving a taxi didn't make me cynical, nothing will. For me cynicism is death, darkness, the absence of hope. That's not a place I choose to live, though I do visit occasionally.

Anger is only useful if you can control & direct it effectively.

275 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:16:01pm

re: #273 ggt

I never understood the finding x problems. I never really cared where or what x was. Why would I?

Find X Duh, Its right there.

276 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:16:13pm

re: #270 ProGunLiberal

True, but sometimes purposely obtuse answers are good. I would have given partial credit for that.

I thought it was a perfectly right answer, myself.

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:16:38pm

re: #275 Kragar

Find X

I'd rather find chocolate.

278 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:18:34pm

re: #267 ProGunLiberal

I just saw this story on Think Progress:

Oklahoma State Senator Justifies Need For ‘Open Carry’ Gun Law Due To Threat From Wild Turkeys

I got nothin.

Turkeys, like geese, are pretty damn mean when so inclined.

But trying to shoot a turkey with a pistol sounds like a recipe for disaster, particularly if it's close enough to be attacking. That a job for bird shot, not a damn pistol

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:19:26pm

re: #274 CuriousLurker

If 17 years driving a taxi didn't make me cynical, nothing will. For me cynicism is death, darkness, the absence of hope. That's not a place I choose to live, though I do visit occasionally.

Anger is only useful if you can control & direct it effectively.

Anger is often a default, socially acceptable (for some reason) response. Or a cover for a non-socially acceptable emotion--fear or frustration. Someone told me once that when men are frustrated, they get angry. So instead of responding to their anger, it is better to try to ask them why they are frustrated and engage a different part of the brain to communicate effectively.

280 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:19:30pm

re: #254 ProGunLiberal

Usually, a person just needs to let me run myself down by just letting me attack the thing I am pissy at until I get tired of doing so,

So,, said "person" has to put up with your "pissy"ness till you wear yourself out!

hmmm,,, glad I didn't take that approach while raising my son!!

281 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:20:00pm

re: #275 Kragar

Find X

X, in reality, is Lamont Cranston, wealthy man about town.

282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:20:39pm

re: #281 The Ghost of a Flea

X, in reality, is Lamont Cranston, wealthy man about town.

I thought it was James Bond's Boss.

283 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:20:44pm

re: #278 The Ghost of a Flea

That is certainly one part of it (though a gun person might need to explain the birdshot thing).

There is humor here that I cannot quite find words for.

284 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:22:47pm

re: #283 ProGunLiberal

That is certainly one part of it (though a gun person might need to explain the birdshot thing).

There is humor here that I cannot quite find words for.

I'll take a shot :)

Shotgun cartridges shoot a bunch of pellets or beebees which come out in a spray formation and are more likely to hit a moving, smaller target like a bird.

A single bullet is really likely to miss and if it doesn't, tear the hell out of the bird and leave nothing to eat.

did I get that right?

285 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:23:02pm

re: #281 The Ghost of a Flea

re: #282 ggt

I thought it was James Bond's Boss.

"M" ,,,, not "x"

286 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:23:15pm

re: #280 sattv4u2

Usually, my anger is directed at a thing. But I get your point.

However, CL did point out that, for anger to be useful, it must be controlled. To be honest, I have some trouble with that. It will be hard and take some time, but I will continue to try and gain complete control over my emotions.

287 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:23:18pm

re: #252 CuriousLurker

Heh, I save those up for special occasions. You should see me wig out in person—I have a really strong, loud voice and have been told I can make the walls shake. One of my exes said when I get really angry I'm like a tiger with a bee up its ass. Not a pretty picture, but fairly accurate. LOL

In all seriousness though, I don't like to get that angry. It's exhausting and always leaves me feeling like I failed somehow.

Yeah. Winning is avoiding the situations and people who bring that out. But when they come to you, it's healthy to unleash the tiger, if calm reasoning is already not an option.

288 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:23:52pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

re: #282 ggt

"M" ,,, not "x"

Fine!

289 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:24:28pm

re: #286 ProGunLiberal

Usually, my anger is directed at a thing. But I get your point.

However, CL did point out that, for anger to be useful, it must be controlled. To be honest, I have some trouble with that. It will be hard and take some time, but I will continue to try and gain complete control over my emotions.

Martial Arts!

Yoga!

290 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:24:56pm

re: #286 ProGunLiberal

Usually, my anger is directed at a thing. But I get your point.

However, CL did point out that, for anger to be useful, it must be controlled. To be honest, I have some trouble with that. It will be hard and take some time, but I will continue to try and gain complete control over my emotions.

You'll never have "complete control" over emotions (or they wouldn't be emotions)
What you can/ must control is your reaction to that emotion

291 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:25:21pm

re: #288 ggt

Fine!

"M"edium!!

:0

292 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:26:18pm

re: #284 ggt

Also. how big a fuckup does one have to be to be afraid of cock?

293 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:27:03pm

re: #283 ProGunLiberal

That is certainly one part of it (though a gun person might need to explain the birdshot thing).

There is humor here that I cannot quite find words for.

There's a kind of bleak humor to the "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" logic being applied. The solution to every issue is a pistol.

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:28:18pm

re: #272 ProGunLiberal

No surprise here:

He also travelled to countries as diverse and India, Pakistan and Syria and described the various interpretations of Sharia, which are as various as interpretations of Christian ideas about law.

One thing I didn't think of regarding the anti-sharia laws many states (10?) have passed. I always against them because I thought they were unnecessary because of the Establishment Clause. He said they coud prevent someone's Last Will and Testament wishes about how their remains are treated. A judge would be prevented from carrying out a persons wishes regarding their funeral etc. That would wrong in anyone's eyes, I would hope.

So they are not only unnecessary, but possibly unconstitutional

295 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:29:26pm

re: #292 ProGunLiberal

Also. how big a fuckup does one have to be to be afraid of cock?

I dunno, I wouldn't want one commin' after me. Birds can be damn mean and can really hurt you.

People around here have been bit by geese and have to get stitches and tetnus shots.

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:29:58pm

re: #290 sattv4u2

You'll never have "complete control" over emotions (or they wouldn't be emotions)
What you can/ must control is your reaction to that emotion

All we have control over is WHAT WE SAY and WHAT WE DO.

297 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:30:14pm

re: #286 ProGunLiberal

Usually, my anger is directed at a thing. But I get your point.

However, CL did point out that, for anger to be useful, it must be controlled. To be honest, I have some trouble with that. It will be hard and take some time, but I will continue to try and gain complete control over my emotions.

Since you were talking about guns, uncontrolled anger is a sawed-off shotgun that has shells filled with birdshot; controlled anger is an assault rifle with a scope.

298 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:35:57pm

I'm outta here for a while.

Have a great afternoon/evening everyone.

299 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:36:21pm

re: #284 ggt

I'll take a shot :)

Shotgun cartridges shoot a bunch of pellets or beebees which come out in a spray formation and are more likely to hit a moving, smaller target like a bird.

A single bullet is really likely to miss and if it doesn't, tear the hell out of the bird and leave nothing to eat.

did I get that right?

Also, bird shot would lose a lot of it's power to harm over a short distance, so you don't have to worry as much about backstops or what happens if the bullet goes through the bird. Ergo less likely that anybody around (that can't be seen, even) gets a severe wound, and you're less likely to wound yourself in a life-threatening way.

When you draw a bead on something, you need to think about the ramifications of missing, where's the bullet's going if it passes through the target, and whether there's anything that could get between the muzzle and the target (because you're trying to hit a moving target, or there are other people/things moving that could cross into your aim).

300 palomino  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:37:51pm

re: #237 EdDantes

Yes. Ted Nugent is a harmless celebrity just like Alec Baldwin, ie., who have more opinions than smarts. I wish no harm on those creative persons who have no appreciable influence on the general public.

Come on, people, it was a joke...as is virtually every question that begins, "Is it wrong for me to..."

Furthermore, virtually all Nugent's comments on politics involve death to
politicians: Hillary "is a bitch who can take a ride on my machine gun." Obama "is a piece of shit who can suck on my machine gun." Etc, etc. He goes way beyond a dumb liberal or conservative who just criticizes the other side.

Nugent's insane, vile, dangerous--and his festishitic love of guns is pathological. His comments on being dead or in jail should be of concern to anyone who recognize these facts.

301 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:38:07pm

OK - I finally figured out the MySQL query for that Recent Pages stuff we were discussing this morning, folks, and the Recent Pages list now shows only the most recent Page by each of the last 10 authors. The author's name, as always, leads to the LGF Pages index for all their posts.

Still working on it...

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:38:43pm

re: #299 The Ghost of a Flea

Also, bird shot would lose a lot of it's power to harm over a short distance, so you don't have to worry as much about backstops or what happens if the bullet goes through the bird. Ergo less likely that anybody around (that can't be seen, even) gets a severe wound, and you're likely to wound yourself in a life-threatening way.

When you draw a bead on something, you need to think about the ramifications of missing, where's the bullet's going if it passes through the target, and whether there's anything that could get between the muzzle and the target (because you're trying to hit a moving target, or there are other people/things moving that could cross into your aim).

Friendly Fire?

303 jaunte  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:39:46pm

Gallup: Six in 10 favor 'Buffett Rule'

Gallup reports that six in 10 Americans -- 60%-37% -- favor the proposal that would require millionaires to pay at least the same tax rate as middle-class Americans, around 30%.

Obama's Buffett Rule on taxes for rich blocked in Senate

Senate Republicans on Monday blocked President Barack Obama's "Buffett Rule" legislation, which would have put a 30 percent minimum income tax on millionaires.

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:40:01pm

re: #300 palomino

Come on, people, it was a joke...as is virtually every question that begins, "Is it wrong for me to..."

Furthermore, virtually all Nugent's comments on politics involve death to
politicians: Hillary "is a bitch who can take a ride on my machine gun." Obama "is a piece of shit who can suck on my machine gun." Etc, etc. He goes way beyond a dumb liberal or conservative who just criticizes the other side.

Nugent's insane, vile, dangerous--and his festishitic love of guns is pathological. His comments on being dead or in jail should be of concern to anyone who recognize these facts.

I think there are alot on the Right who don't take rhetoric seriously. They seem to refuse to accept the power of words.

305 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:43:54pm

re: #301 Charles Johnson

You are very good to us, Charles!
THANK YOU!

306 palomino  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:44:08pm

re: #304 ggt

I think there are alot on the Right who don't take rhetoric seriously. They seem to refuse to accept the power of words.

Exactly...constant threats of violence towards our elected leaders couldn't possibly have a negative impact, right?

No way it could move rhetoric in a more violent, divisive way. And it would never affect the way the fringe thinks, or actually motivate people in the direction of murder./////

307 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:48:02pm

re: #303 jaunte

We have all sorts of stuff to use against them! :D

308 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:49:32pm
309 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:50:14pm

re: #302 ggt

Friendly Fire?

Firing discipline in a chaotic situation is a very good skill to have. If you start getting field-dependent--that is focusing on the target and losing track of the environment--you increase the chance of someone else getting hurt or having an accident yourself because you didn't "see" something.

310 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:50:29pm
311 jaunte  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:50:34pm
On Thursday, the House plans to vote on a plan by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., to provide 20 percent tax deductions to all businesses with fewer than 500 workers — a threshold that includes 99.9 percent of all U.S. companies.

Republicans say that plan would spur job creation, while Democrats call it a giveaway to business because firms would not have to hire employees to receive the reduction.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I'm not sure how this reduced tax revenue plan addresses the deficit.

312 compound_Idaho  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:51:32pm

re: #295 ggt

I dunno, I wouldn't want one commin' after me. Birds can be damn mean and can really hurt you.

People around here have been bit by geese and have to get stitches and tetnus shots.

Father Of Two Drowns In Pond Near Des Plaines
DES PLAINES, Ill. (CBS) – A man who neighbors say was devoted to caring for the swans of a Des Plaines area apartment complex might have paid for that devotion with his life.

[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]

313 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:52:21pm

re: #311 jaunte

I'm not sure how this reduced tax revenue plan addresses the deficit.

Really would like a Democrat in the House stand up and demand that these deductions be "paid for." If only to see Cantor's eyes spin in their sockets.

314 palomino  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:53:57pm

re: #311 jaunte

I'm not sure how this reduced tax revenue plan addresses the deficit.

It doesn't, and neither does the Ryan Plan, which would magically cut taxes, increase military spending and balance the budget.

The GOP has gone farther to the right than at any point in its history. If you have any regard for the rest of the world, it should tell you something that the GOP is by far the most right-wing major party in any developed country.

315 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:55:33pm

re: #313 Targetpractice

It really sucks that Dems in the House (or Senate, for that matter) don't have the cajones to do it.

316 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:57:05pm

Oh, the little thing in Colombia may be a bit bigger than originally thought:

The U.S. military's top officer Martin Dempsey speaks of being "embarrassed" and tells a Pentagon news conference "we let the boss down" in relation to allegations that secret service agents habitually associated with prostitutes in Colombia. Pentagon spokesman George E. Little tells reporters that the number of military staff involved could be more than the five originally reported.

317 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:57:35pm

re: #304 ggt

I think there are alot on the Right who don't take rhetoric seriously. They seem to refuse to accept the power of words.

Technically, they're still using rhetoric, but it's demagogy.

The spooky part is the ontology behind the rhetoric: it's like post-modernism plus tribalism. Reality is formed by their consensus as a group, and therefore the formal elements that give rhetoric weight--ethos, logos, pathos--are all skewed in fun-house mirror fashion.

318 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:57:46pm

re: #315 ProGunLiberal

It really sucks that Dems in the House (or Senate, for that matter) don't have the cajones to do it.

The Dems don't seem to have the cajones to do much of anything. This is how broken our system is, where one party is paralyzed by fear of being seen as the "bad guy" while the other doesn't give a shit and is proud of it.

319 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:58:06pm

re: #256 Kragar

But Y?

It got lost, but refused to ask for directions.

320 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:03:37pm

CL, you still here? I forgot that you drove a cab for 17 years. You have a book in you, I can just imagine.

321 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:05:47pm

re: #320 Hoodies for Justice. T

CL, you still here? I forgot that you drove a cab for 17 years. You have a book in you, I can just imagine.

"Tonight I took nothing but left turns"
"This afternoon a fare had me drive thru McDonalds,,, didn't even offer to buy me some fries"
"I think someone left a package of fish under the seat"

//

322 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:06:56pm

re: #321 sattv4u2

"Tonight I took nothing but left turns"
"This afternoon a fare had me drive thru McDonalds,,, didn't even offer to buy me some fries"
"I think someone left a package of fish under the seat"

//

Oh I imagine much much more exciting what happened in the back seat stories.

323 God of Binders with Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:07:09pm

re: #202 windupbird is in the gravity well

I'VE GOT YOU IN A STRANGLEHOLD BABEH

At almost eighteen minutes in length, that song has and always will be a "gentleman's entertainment provider's" hardest way to make $20 for a lap dance.

324 God of Binders with Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:08:36pm

re: #320 Hoodies for Justice. T

CL, you still here? I forgot that you drove a cab for 17 years. You have a book in you, I can just imagine.

Wonder if CL has any Travis Bickle-like stories.

325 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:08:41pm

re: #322 Hoodies for Justice. T

Oh I imagine much much more exciting what happened in the back seat stories.

[Link: www.hbo.com...]

326 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:10:29pm

re: #325 sattv4u2

[Link: www.hbo.com...]

Ooh, that looks good. But added CL commentary would be best.

327 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:16:47pm

Oh Diane Sawyer.

328 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:17:24pm

re: #327 Hoodies for Justice. T

Oh Diane Sawyer.

I didn't know she was Irish!!
/

329 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:17:31pm

re: #265 ggt

I listened to the NPR author interview today about this book regarding Sharia Law. Written by a British Human Rights attorney. Very interesting. I really liked the author, who is a Muslim.

Just listening now.

Flame Fin Tomini Tang would benefit from a listen.

330 chaosium  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:17:38pm

re: #17 lawhawk

If Nuge hasn't already been carted off to prison, why does he think that he'll be carted off if Obama is reelected? Obama will have carte blanche to eliminate his political enemies (though who knows if Obama even considers Nuge to be anything more than a musical nuisance, if even that).?

Like every chickenhawk, Nugent is a coward.

331 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:24:16pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons (on my day off, no less!!!)

332 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:25:27pm

nugent

is not just a major asshole

he's also a b flat full diminished added 11th asshole

333 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:29:28pm

It will be interesting to see how this gets resolved:

Media Outlets Sue To Unseal Zimmerman Court File

The New York Times and the AP lead the push for the court record to be made public.

334 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:30:44pm

re: #320 Hoodies for Justice. T

CL, you still here? I forgot that you drove a cab for 17 years. You have a book in you, I can just imagine.

Sorry, I'm in & out. Doing laundry, coding, and trying to keep one eye on you guys in between.

Stories? Oh boy, do I have stories. I learned way, way more about about human nature than I ever wanted to know. But you know what? Most people are pretty decent & honest. The problem is that the assholes you run into always seem to be industrial grade ones, and it only takes one of them to cancel out the good vibes of like 10 nice people.

Then there are the crazies. Hoo, boy. The problem with them is you never realize it till they're already in the car. Usually at night. I'd usually just go along with whatever their trip was: circle the block checking for KGB agents before dropping them off at home; talking to the guy who said his neck was broken so he couldn't make any sudden moves, how he saw President Clinton get assassinated in Dallas, and how I'd better pull over to the Jack in the Box becuase HE NEEDS A SODA RIGHT NOW; it goes on and on.

Sad people, happy people, funny people, angry people, stupid people, kind people, rude people, drunk people, drugged out people (dangerous), scary people, people who want to do you harm, people cheating on their spouses, people checking up on spouses they suspect of cheating, ex-cons just coming out of prison, military people, foreign people.

It's a pretty fun job, actually.

335 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:32:00pm

I have stories..Now that I know I'm moving into my folks lakehouse this year, Thoughts and memories have been rushing in..
It's a beautiful place but no TV, phones, music was ever allowed there.. That's the way it's always been..Growing up when we went there you could fish, swim, hike or boat..But never a TV or phone was allowed there...
I recall the quiet nights we sat around the front room with my folks reading books...Those are special moments.
I am moving in my 73" HD Samsung, Broadband Internet and a phone and over the top Stereo System.. Sorry Mom and Dad..It's a different world now.
I'll never forget

336 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:32:04pm

re: #330 chaosium

This is a guy who did this:

In a July 15, 1990, Detroit Free Press interview, Nugent crowed about how he managed to dodge the draft. He claims that 30 days before his draft board physical, he disavowed personal hygiene. The last ten days he ingested nothing but junk food and Pepsi, and with a week to go until the physical, he stopped using the bathroom altogether. When the big day came, he had been living in excrement-caked and urine-stained pants. Always the hero, however, Nugent reassured the Free Press, “But if I would have gone over there, I’d have been killed, or I’d have killed all the Hippies in the foxholes. I would have killed everybody.

to avoid the draft. He is scum.

337 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:32:04pm

re: #324 Everything in Its Right Place

Wonder if CL has any Travis Bickle-like stories.

Every cab driver does. ;)

Okay, back to the laundry. BBIAB

338 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:32:15pm

re: #5 erik_t

And nothing of value was lost.

That's pretty much it, at the end of the day.

339 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:33:47pm

Ted Nugent is an idiot. If he ever had an original thought it would die of loneliness.

340 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:34:52pm

re: #336 ProGunLiberal

Let's compare this scumbag to JFK (Yes, its from Cracked, but it get the point home):

Plagued with a bad back his entire life, Kennedy was disqualified from service in the army. Instead of using this as an excuse to pursue the decidedly more sane strategy of staying the fuck away from explody things, Kennedy had his dad pull a few strings so he could sneak his way into the navy, where he eventually became a lieutenant. Just to get some perspective, Bill Clinton dodged the draft, Grover Cleveland paid someone else to go in his place when he was drafted, but Kennedy beat the system by forcing his way into the navy. Once there he handled himself like a gravel eating shit-miner, instead of the rich Boston pretty boy he actually was.

341 sagehen  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:36:09pm

I wish I could have made this up:

Newt Gingrich bitten by a penguin

342 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:37:07pm

And now if you reload LGF, when you hover over the author names in the Recent Pages list a popup list appears, with the author's five previous Pages.

343 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:37:57pm

re: #334 CuriousLurker

Sorry, I'm in & out. Doing laundry, coding, and trying to keep one eye on you guys in between.

Stories? Oh boy, do I have stories. I learned way, way more about about human nature than I ever wanted to know. But you know what? Most people are pretty decent & honest. The problem is that the assholes you run into always seem to be industrial grade ones, and it only takes one of them to cancel out the good vibes of like 10 nice people.

Then there are the crazies. Hoo, boy. The problem with them is you never realize it till they're already in the car. Usually at night. I'd usually just go along with whatever their trip was: circle the block checking for KGB agents before dropping them off at home; talking to the guy who said his neck was broken so he couldn't make any sudden moves, how he saw President Clinton get assassinated in Dallas, and how I'd better pull over to the Jack in the Box becuase HE NEEDS A SODA RIGHT NOW; it goes on and on.

Sad people, happy people, funny people, angry people, stupid people, kind people, rude people, drunk people, drugged out people (dangerous), scary people, people who want to do you harm, people cheating on their spouses, people checking up on spouses they suspect of cheating, ex-cons just coming out of prison, military people, foreign people.

It's a pretty fun job, actually.

Hell yeah!!!

344 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:38:20pm

re: #341 sagehen

I wish I could have made this up:

Newt Gingrich bitten by a penguin

It's because he left it for a sparrow.

345 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:38:40pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

And now if you reload LGF, when you hover over the author names in the Recent Pages list a popup list appears, with the author's five previous Pages.

Sahweet!

346 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:40:10pm

To the Nugent at hand, I just read the quote to housemates, and like others above, they likened it to a threat to the President.

347 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:40:22pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

And now if you reload LGF, when you hover over the author names in the Recent Pages list a popup list appears, with the author's five previous Pages.

That's really great--I don't do many pages, and it should make it easier to find and update one I redo occasionally.

348 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:40:45pm

In other news, Obama is less forgiving than Taylor Swift.

Obama still thinks Kanye is a jackass

349 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:41:13pm

Okay, only in Recent Pages. Not in Featured Pages. That makes sense.

350 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:42:23pm

re: #273 ggt

I never understood the finding x problems. I never really cared where or what x was. Why would I?

'Cause X marks the spot.

351 palomino  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:42:47pm

re: #332 engineer cat

nugent

is not just a major asshole

he's also a b flat full diminished added 11th asshole

And a dangerous asshole at that. When people talk about chopping off heads, and then dying or going to jail based on the results of an election, yeah, I think danger is involved. Liberal celebs back in 2004 threatened to move to Canada if Bush won. A few did, including Johnny Depp (although he went to France instead). Anyway, do Nugent's threats sound anywhere near as benign?

352 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:42:50pm

re: #346 Hoodies for Justice. T

To the Nugent at hand, I just read the quote to housemates, and like others above, they likened it to a threat to the President.

Honestly just read it as a RW persecution fetish--"I'm innocent, but they're coming for all us truthtalkers."

He's still a shit and his music stinks.

353 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:43:33pm

re: #278 The Ghost of a Flea

Turkeys, like geese, are pretty damn mean when so inclined.

But trying to shoot a turkey with a pistol sounds like a recipe for disaster, particularly if it's close enough to be attacking. That a job for bird shot, not a damn pistol

Just grab it by the neck and choke it.

354 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:44:25pm
355 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:44:29pm

re: #341 sagehen

I wish I could have made this up:

Newt Gingrich bitten by a penguin

name of ionescu's stage version of the 2012 election

356 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:44:50pm

re: #211 ProGunLiberal

Oh, I so want to point out Mormon Theology on this.

I admit I get tweaked about Mormonism for one reason. Their view on women. Essentially, a woman can only get to the highest levels of heaven if they are married. To me, that says that they think women are somehow worth less than men. With all of my friends actually being women, this pisses me off to no end.

Are there issues right now is Islam regarding women? Yes. However, at the core, the religion realizes women are humans too. Mormonism has a distinct issue with this. Along other things.

Yeah, except a man can only get to the highest levels of heaven only if he is married too. Duh.

With this disposed of, let's look at the traditional religions' treatment of women, starting with prohibition for them being clerics, and continuing with all sorts of rules that are designed to make them a lower class of human beings in earthly life.

357 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:44:54pm

re: #353 b_sharp

Just grab it by the neck and choke it.

Just carry a can of cranberry sauce. No permit required.

358 darthstar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:45:26pm

Headed to the ballgame...probably will order something like garlic fries...so I took an hour this afternoon to prep my self by burning off some calories...but it was pretty out so I took a picture.
Image: 528976_10150756599633024_669978023_226949727_462059448_n.jpg

359 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:48:18pm

re: #297 CuriousLurker

Since you were talking about guns, uncontrolled anger is a sawed-off shotgun that has shells filled with birdshot; controlled anger is an assault rifle with a scope.

Controlled anger is a blowgun used with poisoned darts.

360 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:48:52pm

re: #347 Decatur Deb

That's really great--I don't do many pages, and it should make it easier to find and update one I redo occasionally.

Your own Pages are easy to find in your Dashboard. Let's see, where do you find your Dashboard... oh yeah, upper left corner, underneath Account Settings.

361 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:49:42pm

re: #359 b_sharp

Controlled anger is a blowgun used with poisoned darts.

Yeah, I like that better. ;)

362 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:49:47pm

re: #359 b_sharp

Controlled anger is a blowgun used with poisoned darts.

Uncontrolled anger is inhaling on it when you should exhale.

363 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:49:56pm

re: #360 wrenchwench

Your own Pages are easy to find in your Dashboard. Let's see, where do you find your Dashboard... oh yeah, upper left corner, underneath Account Settings.

Think I went there once. "Dashboard" makes me think of Studebakers.

364 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:50:18pm

re: #358 darthstar

Headed to the ballgame...probably will order something like garlic fries...so I took an hour this afternoon to prep my self by burning off some calories...but it was pretty out so I took a picture.
Image: 528976_10150756599633024_669978023_226949727_462059448_n.jpg

You look kind of skinny and metallic.

365 sagehen  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:50:22pm

re: #354 ProGunLiberal

Here is what I am referring to.

awwww... look at our little girl all growed up....

366 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:50:37pm
367 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:51:10pm

I will never go to an F1 Grand Prix race. They are supporting King Hamad of Bahrain, and are not protesting this:

368 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:52:16pm

Okay, more! You guys are smart.

Uncontrolled anger is...?

369 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:52:19pm

re: #359 b_sharp

Controlled anger is a blowgun used with poisoned darts.

Controlled anger is a NEO asteroid whose velocity is minutely readjusted.

Precision is the enemy of accuracy.

370 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:52:23pm

re: #335 HoosierHoops

I have stories..Now that I know I'm moving into my folks lakehouse this year, Thoughts and memories have been rushing in..
It's a beautiful place but no TV, phones, music was ever allowed there.. That's the way it's always been..Growing up when we went there you could fish, swim, hike or boat..But never a TV or phone was allowed there...
I recall the quiet nights we sat around the front room with my folks reading books...Those are special moments.
I am moving in my 73" HD Samsung, Broadband Internet and a phone and over the top Stereo System.. Sorry Mom and Dad..It's a different world now.
I'll never forget

How are you going to support yourself?

371 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:52:51pm

re: #368 CuriousLurker

Okay, more! You guys are smart.

Uncontrolled anger is...?

Oops, I meant controlled.

372 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:52:56pm

re: #365 sagehen

I personally prefer this one.

Now, I shall be on a different tangent. :P

373 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:54:04pm

re: #370 b_sharp

How are you going to support yourself?

I believe that he is now capable of being a Gentleman of Leisure.

Which means taking Winston on a walk.

374 sagehen  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:54:18pm

re: #368 CuriousLurker

Okay, more! You guys are smart.

Uncontrolled anger is...?

Babylon 5, Episode 3.11, Ceremonies of Dark and Light:

Lennier: I see they trained you well back home.
Marcus Cole: Well, they said I was carrying around a lot of repressed anger.
Lennier: And?
Marcus Cole: I'm not repressed anymore!

375 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:56:00pm

re: #371 CuriousLurker

Oops, I meant controlled.

A potent evil eye that makes the recipient step back.

That's all I've got.

376 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:57:10pm

re: #364 Mostly sane, most of the time.

You look kind of skinny and metallic.

I dunno, those love handles kind of stand out.

377 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 4:59:39pm

re: #373 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I believe that he is now capable of being a Gentleman of Leisure.

Which means taking Winston on a walk.

Must be nice.

378 carver  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:00:05pm

re: #368 CuriousLurker
Uncontrolled anger is psychopathic.

379 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:01:04pm

re: #368 CuriousLurker

Okay, more! You guys are smart.

Uncontrolled anger is...?

A sign of immaturity.

380 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:01:13pm

re: #373 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I believe that he is now capable of being a Gentleman of Leisure.

Which means taking Winston on a walk.

We now know where the first annual Lizard Gathering will be held.

381 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:01:54pm

re: #368 CuriousLurker

Okay, more! You guys are smart.

Uncontrolled anger is...?

382 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:02:03pm

Happy Emancipation Day.

My new favorite holiday. I just found out about it on Saturday. I'm off to mail my taxes a day early!

383 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:02:38pm

re: #371 CuriousLurker

Oops, I meant controlled.

Controlled anger is bananas at 10 paces.

384 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:02:54pm

re: #380 b_sharp

We now know where the first annual Lizard Gathering will be held.

IM IN

385 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:03:23pm

re: #359 b_sharp

Controlled anger is a blowgun used with poisoned darts.

revenge is a dish best eaten without the blowgun nearby

386 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:04:42pm

I think I like this new approach for the Recent Pages list. Thanks for suggesting it, Sergey!

Much better than putting a limit on the Pages you can post; this way more people's Pages get to show up, and if you post several in a row, they can still be seen by hovering over your name.

387 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:05:33pm

re: #370 b_sharp

How are you going to support yourself?

My folks were pretty rich..We are expecting to get a lot of cash and I have a retirement coming to cash in..Maybe someday I'll be a pizza delivery boy just for some money. I never thought I'd be retired so early...
I'd work the rest of my life in a coal mine just to have Mom and Dad back.. But here we are..This summer I'll be down at the boat dock blogging with Little Winston running around playing...

388 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:06:55pm

re: #368 CuriousLurker

Okay, more! You guys are smart.

Uncontrolled anger is...?

Probably not exactly what you're looking for but my favorite:
You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by your anger.

389 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:07:02pm

re: #387 HoosierHoops

My folks were pretty rich..We are expecting to get a lot of cash and I have a retirement coming to cash in..Maybe someday I've be a pizza delivery boy just for some money. I never thought I'd be retired so early...
I'd work the rest of my life in a coal mine just to have Mom and Dad back.. But here we are..This summer I'll be down at the boat dock blogging with Little Winston running around playing...

How's the relationship shaping up?

390 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:07:13pm

re: #385 engineer cat

revenge is a dish best eaten without the blowgun nearby

"Revenge is a dish best served with mayonnaise and those little cheesy things on sticks." - Osric the Loopy, Governor of Corania (appointed 756.M41, removed from office by the Officio Assassinorum 764.M41)

391 Mattand  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:07:29pm

re: #336 ProGunLiberal

This is a guy who did this:

to avoid the draft. He is scum.

Funny how Huckabee or Romney or those wacky kids at Fox News never bring that up.

392 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:07:58pm

re: #387 HoosierHoops

My folks were pretty rich..We are expecting to get a lot of cash and I have a retirement coming to cash in..Maybe someday I've be a pizza delivery boy just for some money. I never thought I'd be retired so early...
I'd work the rest of my life in a coal mine just to have Mom and Dad back.. But here we are..This summer I'll be down at the boat dock blogging with Little Winston running around playing...

Find some useful un-remunerative work that you love--immediately.

393 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:09:07pm

re: #386 Charles Johnson

The hovering list adds a new element - I, for example, never bother to check up on users' older recent pages, so now I can see if I missed anything interesting *and* stay a lazy bastid at the same time.

394 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:09:16pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

Probably not exactly what you're looking for but my favorite:
You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by your anger.

Good one. True.

395 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:10:52pm

Dinner here, gotta run. But Sullivan just posted Caine's acarcade on his blog. I heard the story on All Things Considered last week.

YOU MUST WATCH THIS!!!

[Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]

396 aagcobb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:14:34pm

re: #248 Kragar

Herman Cain Rally at the Capitol Fails Spectacularly

It would've done better if he had invited Stephen Colbert.

397 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:17:56pm

re: #389 b_sharp

How's the relationship shaping up?

I posted about this extensively last night..It's really complex..But we are adults..I think we will always be friends. We are flying out there for a vacation this summer...I think she will be blown away but her whole life is in Oklahoma..Family, Job, House.

398 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:22:53pm

One of Mr. Poppers'?


Newt nipped by zoo penguin, gets Band-Aid

Newt was nipped on the finger by a penguin during a private tour of the famous St. Louis zoo on Friday before he spoke to the National Rifle Association convention, zoo officials confirmed on Monday. [...]

399 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:27:10pm

re: #396 aagcobb

It would've done better if he had invited Stephen Colbert.

how soon until all republican media events are produced by his show?

400 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:28:42pm

re: #398 freetoken

One of Mr. Poppers'?

Newt nipped by zoo penguin, gets Band-Aid

Medicare will cover that.

401 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:29:18pm

re: #336 ProGunLiberal

This is a guy who did this:

to avoid the draft. He is scum.

A rank coward. Literally...

402 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:32:18pm

re: #397 HoosierHoops

I posted about this extensively last night..It's really complex..But we are adults..I think we will always be friends. We are flying out there for a vacation this summer...I think she will be blown away but her whole life is in Oklahoma..Family, Job, House.

Sorry to hear that my friend. I was hoping for a more uplifting resolution.
I guess all you can do is make sure she knows how you feel about her and let her decide.

I am seriously jealous of your house on the lake, it's something I've always wanted. Unfortunately, houses that sold for a 1/4mil just 5 years ago are now 1mil.

403 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:36:28pm

Will we do something like this someday?

Argentina nationalises YPF


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Argentina has nationalised YPF, the former and once again state oil company, as a matter of “public interest”, Argentine and Spanish media are reporting.

Reports say the Republic of Argentina will take a 26 per cent stake held by the Eskenazi family and a 24 per cent stake out of the 57 per cent of YPF held by Respol of Spain. The Spanish government warned Argentina last week that any action against Spanish companies would be taken as an action against Spain and would have “consequences”.

404 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:38:53pm

re: #364 Mostly sane, most of the time.

You look kind of skinny and metallic.

He was a coat hanger at one time, but he got older.

405 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:39:59pm

re: #404 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

He was a coat hanger at one time, but he got older.

All hangers start out as paperclips.

406 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:40:05pm

re: #370 b_sharp

How are you going to support yourself?

Winston's dog-show winnings and his Zionist check of course.
;)

407 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:47:04pm

re: #402 b_sharp

Sorry to hear that my friend. I was hoping for a more uplifting resolution.
I guess all you can do is make sure she knows how you feel about her and let her decide.

I am seriously jealous of your house on the lake, it's something I've always wanted. Unfortunately, houses that sold for a 1/4mil just 5 years ago are now 1mil.

Thanks...I never saw this coming.
My Folks bought this place 40 years ago with 20 acres of property..
Every summer something was a project to fix it up..My Brother and I know this well...All we wanted to do was play...Those are great memories..

408 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:48:54pm

re: #405 b_sharp

All hangers start out as paperclips.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Avram Davidson for the win.

409 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:53:01pm

re: #408 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Avram Davidson for the win.

I've been reading Science Fiction since 1962, something was bound to get stuck in my head.

410 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:57:31pm

re: #409 b_sharp

I've been reading Science Fiction since 1962, something was bound to get stuck in my head.

Do you watch Mad Men? One of the characters moonlights as a Science Fiction author, pretty successful. Very interesting twist/addition to the story, being he's writing about robots in 1966.

411 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 6:00:43pm

re: #410 Hoodies for Justice. T

Do you watch Mad Men? One of the characters moonlights as a Science Fiction author, pretty successful. Very interesting twist/addition to the story, being he's writing about robots in 1966.

Nope, never heard of it. I don't watch much TV and since the tube is controlled by wifey, I watch what she watches.

412 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 6:07:24pm

re: #411 b_sharp

Nope, never heard of it. I don't watch much TV and since the tube is controlled by wifey, I watch what she watches.

I watch real housewives too.

413 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 6:16:19pm

re: #412 Hoodies for Justice. T

I watch real housewives too.

Actually my wife hates reality TV, prefers action movies over chick flicks and football over figure skating. Weird I know, but I never have to watch crap when I do watch.

414 jaunte  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 6:16:40pm

re: #410 Hoodies for Justice. T

I like the way he dealt with being told to stop writing.

415 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 6:25:16pm

re: #414 jaunte

I like the way he dealt with being told to stop writing.

Bigger and better. Is there a nom de plume he could actually be portraying? Anyone who was in advertising who made it as science fic writer?

416 jaunte  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 6:27:26pm

re: #415 Hoodies for Justice. T

Frederik Pohl worked as a copywriter at a NY ad agency in the mid-40's.

417 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 6:29:27pm

re: #416 jaunte

Frederik Pohl worked as a copywriter at a NY ad agency in the mid-40's.

He has one of the world's shortest unpronounceable last names.

418 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 6:32:15pm

re: #416 jaunte

Frederik Pohl worked as a copywriter at a NY ad agency in the mid-40's.

Hmmm, he was a commie too. Ken was first to smoke the joint at Don's party. Does it fit?

(love MM)

419 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 6:50:25pm

re: #316 ProGunLiberal

Oh, the little thing in Colombia may be a bit bigger than originally thought:

The U.S. military's top officer Martin Dempsey speaks of being "embarrassed" and tells a Pentagon news conference "we let the boss down" in relation to allegations that secret service agents habitually associated with prostitutes in Colombia. Pentagon spokesman George E. Little tells reporters that the number of military staff involved could be more than the five originally reported.

Military personnel utilizing prostitutes, why I never. When did this prostitution visiting by military personnel get started? I am no military historian but I think it has been going on FOREVER, as in since the world has had professions (as in prostitution being the oldest). Sure the guy(s) shouldn't have acted out and caused an uproar, but come on. If it was their down time then they spent it the way they saw fit. If they would have been doing it when they were suppose to be on duty that would be another story. From the info I have so far they just got caught because the working girls stayed past the hotels strict "save face with the catholics" rule (the reason I see for that rule, you can do it but don't be seen).

420 sagehen  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 7:19:05pm

re: #419 RayFerd

Military personnel utilizing prostitutes, why I never. When did this prostitution visiting by military personnel get started? I am no military historian but I think it has been going on FOREVER, as in since the world has had professions (as in prostitution being the oldest). Sure the guy(s) shouldn't have acted out and caused an uproar, but come on. If it was their down time then they spent it the way they saw fit. If they would have been doing it when they were suppose to be on duty that would be another story. From the info I have so far they just got caught because the working girls stayed past the hotels strict "save face with the catholics" rule (the reason I see for that rule, you can do it but don't be seen).

When the Secret Service is in a foreign country, doing advance work for a Presidential visit to a multi-national summit -- there's no such thing as "down time".

And how do we know for sure who the whores were really working for? Maybe they took pictures, maybe they were hoping to get extortion material on someone who'd have sensitive information.

421 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 7:19:21pm

re: #419 RayFerd

Military personnel utilizing prostitutes, why I never. When did this prostitution visiting by military personnel get started? I am no military historian but I think it has been going on FOREVER, as in since the world has had professions (as in prostitution being the oldest). Sure the guy(s) shouldn't have acted out and caused an uproar, but come on. If it was their down time then they spent it the way they saw fit. If they would have been doing it when they were suppose to be on duty that would be another story. From the info I have so far they just got caught because the working girls stayed past the hotels strict "save face with the catholics" rule (the reason I see for that rule, you can do it but don't be seen).

It's not really about the soldiers, and if they had not been part of an advance team for the president the military would indeed have likely looked the other way. But they were part of the president's advance team, and letting a prostitute into the same rooms they use to process intel puts the president at risk, as intelligence services and criminal gangs have often used prostitutes as spies or bug planters.

422 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 7:22:40pm

re: #421 Dark_Falcon

Exactly. It's not a moral fail. It's a professional fail.

423 Decider  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:46:44pm

If I were the Obama camp I would be more concerned if Ted Nugent was on MY side.

424 labman57  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:35:22pm

Sounds like a veiled threat to attack the POTUS -- if Obama wins, Teddy will go after him ... unsuccessfully ... and end up either dead or in jail as a result.


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