Tech Note: LGF Pages Tweaked to Feature More Writers

Keeping the good stuff in front
LGF • Views: 28,901

We have a big change in the way our “Recent Pages” area works. That’s the place in our right sidebar that shows the LGF Pages most recently posted by our writers.

Previously, it would show all the recent Pages in order; but we’ve noticed that some of you are much more prolific posters than others, and sometimes good stuff would scroll off the bottom of the Recent Pages list before getting noticed.

My first idea to address this problem was to impose a limit on the number of Pages that could be posted per day — but as I thought more about it, I realized I didn’t want to do that, because it would stifle a lot of good links to interesting stuff.

Today LGF reader Sergey Romanov suggested a way to reconcile these two goals: instead of limiting the number of Pages each user can post, make the Recent Pages list show only the most recent post from each of the last 10 unique authors.

This approach seems to work well to keep interesting stuff on that list for longer periods of time.

Another new feature, in both the Featured and Recent Pages: if you hover over an author’s name, a popup list will appear with all the info on their previous 5 Pages. This way, even though you only see the most recent Page by any one author, you can quickly see what else they’ve been posting (and how popular it is) by hovering over their name.

Jump to bottom

485 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 7:54:12pm

This is a very good idea. Thank you Charles for seeing the issue, Sergey for suggesting the best fix, and Charles again for making that fix a reality.

2 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:16:17pm

Awesome Idea! Awesome Blog Guru that accepts other's good ideas!

3 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:17:40pm

Is it too early in the thread to post cuteness?

4 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:19:29pm

re: #3 ggt

Never, if it is that cute!

5 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:25:56pm

The Bible can now be taught in Public HS in Arizona?

6 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:32:29pm

re: #5 ggt

The Bible can now be taught in Public HS in Arizona?

[Embedded content]

Just as long as it's got nothing to do with Mexican-American history!

7 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:32:51pm
8 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:34:24pm

re: #6 Shvaughn

Just as long as it's got nothing to do with Mexican-American history!

Which is fully of missionaries and other related Christian topics.

9 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:35:52pm

re: #8 ggt

Which is fully of missionaries and other related Christian topics.

Shh! We might start resenting white people if we talked about that!

10 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:39:08pm

re: #7 ggt

For Real?

'Killer' swan attacks Illinois caretaker until he drowns

I live right near where that happened and I've heard Trumpeter Swans calling from that direction recently. They are very territorial in defense of the eggs and cygnets and for them to overturn a kayak is entirely possible as they are huge birds,

11 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:40:46pm

re: #7 ggt

For Real?

'Killer' swan attacks Illinois caretaker until he drowns

The LA Times picture is not the kind of swan I've heard, BTW. the pictured swan has an orange bill, while Trumpeter Swans have black bills.

12 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:50:37pm

re: #7 ggt

For Real?

'Killer' swan attacks Illinois caretaker until he drowns

Swans can mess you up. They're bigger and stronger than people think, males can be really mean, and they can really get an advantage over a person if they're in water.

It's sort of like how non-Indians think that it's cute that macaques roam around major cities...until you point out that annually there's quite a few maimings and deaths that involve macaques attacking people. They may be twenty pounds, but they're all muscle and mighty tough.

13 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:51:13pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

The LA Times picture is not the kind of swan I've heard, BTW. the pictured swan has an orange bill, while Trumpeter Swans have black bills.

OMG swangate //

14 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:53:57pm

re: #13 Shvaughn

OMG swangate //

Well, was it a black swan or a white swan? Orange beak or non-orange beaked? Male or female? Native born or immigrant?

:0

15 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:56:47pm

re: #13 Shvaughn

OMG swangate //

Just correlating what I heard with what I read. It's not a major detail, but I nitpick small details by nature. The only reason what I heard is significant at all is the the mute swan pictured does not vocalize loud calls much if ever (hence its name), while the Trumpeter Swan can do so and does so often for a variety of reasons.

16 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:01:08pm

Beelzebub has a swan for a pet. It's in the Bible.

17 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:02:14pm

re: #16 EdDantes

Beelzebub has a swan for a pet. It's in the Bible.

I guess they'll be teaching it in Arizona and it will be the premise for legalizing hunting of swans.

/

18 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:05:21pm

re: #17 ggt

I guess they'll be teaching it in Arizona and it will be the premise for legalizing hunting of swans.

/

Actually, hunting swans is legal in some states, subject to licensing and strict kill limits, of course. And in case you wondered, the NRA and other pro-hunting groups actively favor those licensing requirements and limits, as they do remember the fate of the Passenger Pigeon.

19 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:07:15pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Actually, hunting swans is legal in some states, subject to licensing and strict kill limits, of course. And in case you wondered, the NRA and other pro-hunting groups actively favor those licensing requirements and limits, as they do remember the fate of the Passenger Pigeon.

Yes, remember, I am a member.

20 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:09:34pm

re: #19 ggt

Yes, remember, I am a member.

I will remember that. I mostly meant to ensure that my comment on swan hunting being legal in some places did not receive erroneous replies.

21 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:13:13pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

I will remember that. I mostly meant to ensure that my comment on swan hunting being legal in some places did not receive erroneous replies.

I actually did not realize it was legal or necessary to hunt swans in some areas. I thought they were a protected species.

22 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:15:45pm

bbiab

23 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:15:49pm

re: #21 ggt

I actually did not realize it was legal or necessary to hunt swans in some areas. I thought they were a protected species.

Actually, all migratory birds are protected species, and can only be shot in season and subject to strict limits. Swans have greater protections than others, but in some states their numbers are high enough for carefully controlled hunting. North Carolina is one such state, but neither Illinois nor Wisconsin is.

24 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:18:26pm

A pair of trumpeter swans will clear a golf course of dozens, heck even hundreds of Canadian Geese. They're like honey badgers with wings.

25 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:19:49pm

re: #24 Mich-again

Trumpeter swans don't give a shit.

26 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:22:10pm

re: #24 Mich-again

A pair of trumpeter swans will clear a golf course of dozens, heck even hundreds of Canadian Geese. They're like honey badgers with wings.

But they'll clear people away too, if anyone gets near their nest or cygnets. Actually, its very unwise to go near the nest or young of any long-necked waterfowl. Geese, like swans, are fearless in defense of their nests.

27 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:27:58pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Actually, hunting swans is legal in some states, subject to licensing and strict kill limits, of course. And in case you wondered, the NRA and other pro-hunting groups actively favor those licensing requirements and limits, as they do remember the fate of the Passenger Pigeon.

I've seen recipes for roasted swan somewhere...a reproduction of a mighty old cookbook I guess.

I remember them turning up in the story of Alyosha Popovich and Tugarin Zmeyevich.

Wonder what they taste like....

28 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:32:06pm

re: #27 The Ghost of a Flea

Bet they are gamey, like duck!

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:32:34pm
30 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:34:30pm

re: #27 The Ghost of a Flea

I am now curious to find out, and willing to act on it FOR SCIENCE!!!!

Also, we have to do something about Sudan.

The Sudanese parliament declares South Sudan “an enemy” and calls for the overthrow of the government of South Sudan.

The Sudanese Government needs to be brought down. I think the world (save the completely amoral PRC) has had enough of their shit.

31 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:35:18pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

While we're on the topic, Newt was bitten by a penguin at the St. Louis Zoo.

You see, animals can indeed recognize the presence of evil.

/riff off of Ace Ventura

32 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:35:51pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

While we're on the topic, Newt was bitten by a penguin at the St. Louis Zoo.

Get that penguin a broad-spectrum antibiotic and two exorcisms--one Catholic, one Shinto--stat!

33 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:35:52pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

You see, animals can indeed recognize the presence of evil.

/riff off of Ace Ventura

That use of the word evil I can agree with.

:0

34 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:35:54pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

While we're on the topic, Newt was bitten by a penguin at the St. Louis Zoo.

The Penguin was probably pissed off about being in St. Louis.

35 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:35:57pm

re: #30 ProGunLiberal

I am now curious to find out, and willing to act on it FOR SCIENCE!!!

Also, we have to do something about Sudan.

The Sudanese Government needs to be brought down. I think the world (save the completely amoral PRC) has had enough of their shit.

Sorry I offended you before.

36 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:36:17pm

Was it a gay penguin?

37 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:37:31pm

re: #32 The Ghost of a Flea

Get that penguin a broad-spectrum antibiotic and two exorcisms--one Catholic, one Shinto--stat!

He's on the Mississippi already, we'll send him down to Baton Rouge and let Bobby Jindal handle one of those exorcisms.

/kidding, Jindal's proven to be a good egg

38 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:37:59pm

re: #36 Shvaughn

Was it a gay penguin?

It was a socially conservative penguin that was opposed to Skeksis/Hutt intermarriage.

39 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:38:45pm

re: #36 Shvaughn

Was it a gay penguin?

Those two proven to be bisexual. They chase fish in both directions.

/penguin humor

40 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:40:12pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

I'm cooled down, it's fine.

I say the US puts a bounty on the government of Sudan. That government brutalized the South of the nation and Darfur. And has been a base for terrorists (Too many damn groups to list, includes Al-Qaeda and the LRA). End this stupidity now.

41 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:41:26pm

re: #36 Shvaughn

Was it a gay penguin?

Well, it was wearing a tux in the middle of the day . . . .

42 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:41:32pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

While we're on the topic, Newt was bitten by a penguin at the St. Louis Zoo.

Well penguins are libertarians. Seriously the political mascot of the libertarian party is the penguin.

43 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:43:00pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

That offends me. Penguins are cute creatures. Libertarians are arrogant, unfeeling assholes.

44 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:44:22pm

re: #40 ProGunLiberal

I'm cooled down, it's fine.

I say the US puts a bounty on the government of Sudan. That government brutalized the South of the nation and Darfur. And has been a base for terrorists (Too many damn groups to list, includes Al-Qaeda and the LRA). End this stupidity now.

And after its gone, what then? That's a question that needs to be answered before any action is contemplated.

45 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:44:52pm

re: #32 The Ghost of a Flea

Get that penguin a broad-spectrum antibiotic and two exorcisms--one Catholic, one Shinto--stat!

We need an old priest and a young priest!

//

46 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:45:05pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Well penguins are libertarians. Seriously the political mascot of the libertarian party is the penguin.

both black and white?

That's certainly got to mess-up the labelers and other marketing types in the MSM/Politics Industry.

:)

47 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:45:17pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

And after its gone, what then? That's a question that needs to be answered before any action is contemplated.

Yep. I despise the Sudanese government as much as the next guy but the last thing that country needs is a Somalia anarchy like situation.

48 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:46:08pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

And after its gone, what then? That's a question that needs to be answered before any action is contemplated.

IIRC, Sudan is alot like Afghanistan. Deep Tribal Culture that doesn't want to change --no?

49 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:46:38pm

re: #46 ggt

both black and white?

That's certainly got to mess-up the labelers and other marketing types in the MSM/Politics Industry.

:)

The man behind the Democratic donkey and Republican elephant, Thomas Nast is an interesting guy. Huge critic of racism against Black Americans in the nineteenth century but also responsible for some anti Irish and Catholic baiting too. I like donkeys though especially the cute dronkeys in the Shrek movies.

50 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:47:42pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Well penguins are libertarians. Seriously the political mascot of the libertarian party is the penguin.

The Danny DeVito version or the Burgess Meredith?

51 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:48:23pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Fair point.

52 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:49:04pm

re: #34 EdDantes

I'm moving to Bakersfield, so I'm pissed off enough to bite any one.

53 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:49:07pm

re: #50 The Ghost of a Flea

Need to ask, the Danny Devito one, of course.

54 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:49:35pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

The man behind the Democratic donkey and Republican elephant, Thomas Nast is an interesting guy. Huge critic of racism against Black Americans in the nineteenth century but also responsible for some anti Irish and Catholic baiting too. I like donkeys though especially the cute dronkeys in the Shrek movies.

They had donkey crossing signs on Kona --and wild (feral or escaped?) goats grazing on the roadside.

55 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:50:18pm

re: #52 EdDantes

I'm moving to Bakersfield, so I'm pissed off enough to bite any one.

My deepest condolences.

Hope it is a short tour-of-duty.

56 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:50:58pm

re: #50 The Ghost of a Flea

The Danny DeVito version or the Burgess Meredith?

Burgess Meredith, of course.

57 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:51:05pm

re: #50 The Ghost of a Flea

The Danny DeVito version or the Burgess Meredith?

I only remember the DeVito one and him being creepy. But maybe that's because Danny DeVito's kind of a creepy looking dude.

58 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:51:58pm

quick, I need a word, at least 5 letters, with an F and a J in it.

59 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:53:02pm

re: #40 ProGunLiberal

I say the US puts a bounty on the government of Sudan.

Do you ever have clever ideas that don't involve killing people?

60 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:54:08pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

That's libertarians in a nutshell.

61 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:54:31pm

re: #58 ggt

quick, I need a word, at least 5 letters, with an F and a J in it.

fanjet

62 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:55:06pm

re: #60 ProGunLiberal

That's libertarians in a nutshell.

I think most of them have better teeth than I do. Damn bad genetics.

63 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:55:10pm

re: #59 Shvaughn

Yes I do. I just tend to get very fed up with these nutjobs.

You sound like a friend of mine in Colorado. :P

64 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:55:29pm

re: #58 ggt

quick, I need a word, at least 5 letters, with an F and a J in it.

Words with friends?

65 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:55:31pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Aside from the teeth.

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:56:32pm

re: #40 ProGunLiberal

I'm cooled down, it's fine.

I say the US puts a bounty on the government of Sudan. That government brutalized the South of the nation and Darfur. And has been a base for terrorists (Too many damn groups to list, includes Al-Qaeda and the LRA). End this stupidity now.

Why stop there --we could go after the country that used to be Rhodesia too!

There is also Kony . . . ..

We could turn the whole area into a sheet of glass and guess what? More bad guys would pop-up somewhere else. AND the US would be vilified.

It is an international issue and the change has to start from within.

JMHO.

67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:57:03pm

re: #61 EdDantes

fanjet

almost --but thanks! I'll remember that one

68 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:57:24pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Words with friends?

and Strangers!

and Husband.

69 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:57:28pm

re: #65 ProGunLiberal

Aside from the teeth.

Ah yeah. See the problem with libertarians is they're idealistic to a great fault. I actually agree with them on many social issues but economically and foreign policy wise they're out there.

70 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:58:09pm

re: #68 ggt

and Strangers!

My uncle challenged me today on facebook. I suck at it. Now if this were history, I'd be kicking ass and taking names.

71 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:58:13pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Idealistic?

They have "I got mine, fuck you." No ideology. Just a lack empathy combined with greed.

72 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 9:59:43pm

re: #71 ProGunLiberal

Idealistic?

They "I got mine, fuck you." No ideology. Just a lack empathy combined with greed.

Yes, idealistic. When you think that decentralizing everything is a good idea, you're being idealistic. Granted it's not idealism I've ever had but it is idealism. Trust me, I got my degree from a school with a very libertarian economics department. Met some of the most idealistic people ever there. They think that markets can do no wrong and government no right.

73 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:00:50pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

My uncle challenged me today on facebook. I suck at it. Now if this were history, I'd be kicking ass and taking names.

As long as you memorize the acceptible 2 letter words, you'll catch-on. You can google them.

My husband and I used a cheat-sheet when we played Scrabble together to help us learn them.

74 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:03:27pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

And I have nearly the opposite view. I am a Social Democrat, and a particularly vicious one as well. I admit in the past to using religion as weapon against people whose politics I opposed. In one case (in High School) saying a person wasn't Christian because they were Republican (In regards to welfare)

My parents have said I have a Conservative Mindset combined with Liberal Politics. They may be right.

75 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:03:37pm

re: #71 ProGunLiberal

Idealistic?

They have "I got mine, fuck you." No ideology. Just a lack empathy combined with greed.

There actually are idealistic libertarians. It involves some incredible optimism about human nature and a basically magical understanding of the dynamic between power and money, but some people really do think that an unregulated hyper-individualist society is what we should aim for.

They're actually rather sad to deal with, because they seem blind to all of the potential abuses of the system they propose, but are at the same time really prickly about criticism.

76 Kragar  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:06:11pm

A few years back, we took the kids to a botanical garden. We were watching the pond and the kids were laughing, watching the ducks and swans swim by. The kids saw some ducklings and were going over for a look when a swan went apeshit and murdered a duckling right in front of us and then throw the body on shore at us.

That was fun explaining to the kids.

77 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:06:18pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Yes, idealistic. When you think that decentralizing everything is a good idea, you're being idealistic. Granted it's not idealism I've ever had but it is idealism. Trust me, I got my degree from a school with a very libertarian economics department. Met some of the most idealistic people ever there. They think that markets can do no wrong and government no right.

I think there is a tipping point or a convergence that involves population. Smaller populations can handle a freer market, Larger populations need more government involvement.

People need certain safety nets to prevent violence and maintain peace. I have evolved my thinking to equate entitlements to the Soma Tablet.

I'm probably more libertarian in that I don't see the same value of compassion and morality that some seem to. I want to see practical, measurable reasons to implement policy. We can't go broke saving everyone, that would defeat the purpose and cause more violence, IMHO.

Until the "powers that be" get serious about contraception, I don't see any good answers. We have too many people, either we control it as individuals, or the planet will do it for us.

78 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:07:54pm

re: #75 The Ghost of a Flea

There actually are idealistic libertarians. It involves some incredible optimism about human nature and a basically magical understanding of the dynamic between power and money, but some people really do think that an unregulated hyper-individualist society is what we should aim for.

They're actually rather sad to deal with, because they seem blind to all of the potential abuses of the system they propose, but are at the same time really prickly about criticism.

My research into Dodd-Frank basically proves your point. They got the laisse-faire regulations they wanted and had no self-control. Now they are bitching about Dodd-Frank. The industry isn't what it was. It is too large, too many products and too many truly uneducated people with their fingers in the pie. Not

79 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:08:35pm

re: #76 Kragar

A few years back, we took the kids to a botanical garden. We were watching the pond and the kids were laughing, watching the ducks and swans swim by. The kids saw some ducklings and were going over for a look when a swan went apeshit and murdered a duckling right in front of us and then throw the body on shore at us.

That was fun explaining to the kids.

Nature! All cute and cuddly --huh?

:0

80 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:09:48pm

So, Gus' new hobby is eating wingnuts for breakfast, huh?

81 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:10:26pm

re: #76 Kragar

When I was 9, my grade had a sleepover thing at Cheyenne Mountain Zoo. My little group started going through the zoo before it officially opened. They had birds walking around the reptile house.

Did I mention the floor was wet? I slipped and feel.

82 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:10:48pm
83 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:11:31pm
84 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:12:17pm

re: #79 ggt

Nature! All cute and cuddly --huh?

:0

The craziest thing is that sometimes it's red of tooth and claw plus cute and cuddly all at once. That's video of a leopard seal (aka a bear with flippers) graciously trying to feed to cameraman live penguins.

85 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:12:56pm

feijoas

used all 7

against hubby -71 points -first play of the game

ha!

86 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:14:53pm

re: #84 The Ghost of a Flea

It's heartwarming in a really bizarre way, if you think about it.

87 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:15:45pm

re: #84 The Ghost of a Flea

[Embedded content] The craziest thing is that sometimes it's red of tooth and claw plus cute and cuddly all at once. That's video of a leopard seal (aka a bear with flippers) graciously trying to feed to cameraman live penguins.

How kewl is that?

88 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:16:01pm

I found this on Wikipedia:

Tomb of the Unknown Confederate Soldier at Beauvoir in Biloxi, Mississippi

That sort of shit needs to be banned.

89 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:16:19pm

re: #88 ProGunLiberal

I found this on Wikipedia:

That sort of shit needs to be banned.

why?

90 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:19:00pm

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Rick Santorum declines to endorse Mitt Romney

91 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:19:12pm

re: #89 ggt

I don't think that retrograde group of ideals needs to be celebrated.

To the contrary, it must be pounded into the Southern Brain by education that their ancestors were wrong and morally bankrupt. They evidently have not gotten the lesson, as evidenced by the Trayvon shooting.

Celebrating the Confederacy is like celebrating the Nazi Period in Germany.

92 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:20:30pm

re: #88 ProGunLiberal

I found this on Wikipedia:

That sort of shit needs to be banned.

I guess I'm more sympathetic to an unknown soldier memorial--which is about grief for those lost at war who will go unnamed--than I am to other forms of Confederate fetishry.

The kids under the ground aren't the problem: the people that want to romanticize why they died and stuff slavery down the hole of revisionism...they're the problem.

And frankly, I pity the guys who actually fought for the South. A lot of them were basically rubes, goaded with nationalist pride and racism to fight a war that preserved the wealth base of a tiny number of plantation holders.

93 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:21:41pm

re: #75 The Ghost of a Flea

There actually are idealistic libertarians. It involves some incredible optimism about human nature and a basically magical understanding of the dynamic between power and money, but some people really do think that an unregulated hyper-individualist society is what we should aim for.

They're actually rather sad to deal with, because they seem blind to all of the potential abuses of the system they propose, but are at the same time really prickly about criticism.

Yes, thanks for illustrating it better than I can. Yeah, they're idealists and I have to say, some of them mean well and maybe even deep down know their ideas won't work but we are a species that loves the abstract. Hence why Marxism still can draw equally idealistic folks from the other side of the economic spectrum. I myself accept that I live in a mixed economy. I know that there are some things that the government handles better than private enterprise and vice versa and some that both do good work with. I kind of liken it to how I am with my technology. My E-reader is Amazon, my MP3 player is Apple, and my Phone is a Droid. They all co-exist peacefully for me.

94 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:23:46pm

re: #91 ProGunLiberal

I don't think that retrograde group of ideals needs to be celebrated.

To the contrary, it must be pounded into the Southern Brain by education that their ancestors were wrong and morally bankrupt. They evidently have not gotten the lesson, as evidenced by the Trayvon shooting.

Celebrating the Confederacy is like celebrating the Nazi Period in Germany.

The man was a soldier -- I have no problem honoring his service.

Even our own military honors the service of the enemy soldier. It is the higher-ups we have issues with.

95 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:26:54pm

re: #90 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Rick Santorum declines to endorse Mitt Romney

Could be any number of reasons. More than likely he's waiting for Romney to fork over money to help pay off his campaign debts, but it could be that he's afraid of connecting himself to a potential loser while contemplating a '16 run.

Or he could simply be that spiteful, hard to tell.

96 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:28:55pm

re: #90 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Rick Santorum declines to endorse Mitt Romney

Ouch I can honestly say I did not see that coming. I am glad to see his daughter seems to be doing better though. That just may be the best thing about him leaving the race.

97 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:31:08pm

re: #94 ggt

Grrr, I still want to see the South more humiliated for slavery and the Jim Crow atrocities. Again, I hold that Charles Sumner was correct, and has continued to be correct about the American South.

Show me one iota of evidence otherwise. Where certain Southern States are getting better, it is because they are becoming part of the North (Virginia and North Carolina).

98 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:31:53pm

re: #91 ProGunLiberal

I don't think that retrograde group of ideals needs to be celebrated.

To the contrary, it must be pounded into the Southern Brain by education that their ancestors were wrong and morally bankrupt. They evidently have not gotten the lesson, as evidenced by the Trayvon shooting.

Celebrating the Confederacy is like celebrating the Nazi Period in Germany.

To move against a tomb like that would mark you as an asshole in the minds of most people. Desecration of a tomb or grave is seen as dishonoring the dead and their families, and is badly received the world over.

And I'm sorry but I have to ask: Wouldn't doing that sort of thing provide a point of commonality between you and the House of Saud? That's what the Wahabbi's do to old graveyards, after all.

99 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:32:55pm

We have history of honoring soldiers.

Even Kamakazi.

Missouri's Captain, William Callaghan, ordered the burial of the unknown Japanese pilot the following day. A Marine honor guard fired a salute and his body was committed to the deep.

100 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:33:53pm

re: #97 ProGunLiberal

Grrr, I still want to see the South more humiliated for slavery and the Jim Crow atrocities. Again, I hold that Charles Sumner was correct, and has continued to be correct about the American South.

Show me one iota of evidence otherwise. Where certain Southern States are getting better, it is because they are becoming part of the North (Virginia and North Carolina).

humiliation worked really well in Germany after WWI . . . .

/not

101 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:34:04pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

I do see the commonality.

I guess the logic I have is this is the American Equivalent of de-Nazification.

102 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:34:12pm

re: #88 ProGunLiberal

I found this on Wikipedia:

That sort of shit needs to be banned.

Oh. Come. On. Nazi Germany was responsible for untold millions of victims in Russia, but nobody molests Wehrmacht military cemeteries here.

103 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:35:08pm

re: #97 ProGunLiberal

Grrr, I still want to see the South more humiliated for slavery and the Jim Crow atrocities. Again, I hold that Charles Sumner was correct, and has continued to be correct about the American South.

Show me one iota of evidence otherwise. Where certain Southern States are getting better, it is because they are becoming part of the North (Virginia and North Carolina).

Too late. The damage is already done, are there's no way to undo it.

Had things gone differently in the first generation after the Civil War...had the federal government not let Jim Crow drive blacks right back into marginality...we'd probably be a different, happier nation.

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:35:12pm

A soldier is a soldier.

105 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:36:13pm

re: #99 ggt

We have history of honoring soldiers.

Even Kamakazi.

Interesting. Anyhow I despise the CSA as much as the next guy but a monument to an unknown soldier really doesn't bother me. Now making Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis on the same level as MLK and Lincoln, I do. Anyhow I think some of the best revenge on the old CSA can be seen by the man who is living in the White House and the fact that guys like the aforementioned Lincoln and MLK are among the most admired men in American history.

106 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:36:30pm

Solder! OK, added some kind of summary paragraph at the end.

107 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:37:28pm

re: #103 The Ghost of a Flea

Too late. The damage is already done, are there's no way to undo it.

Had things gone differently in the first generation after the Civil War...had the federal government not let Jim Crow drive blacks right back into marginality...we'd probably be a different, happier nation.

Yep. And honestly for all Grant's flaws as a president, he does seem to have been ahead of his time on Civil Rights.

108 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:37:50pm

re: #97 ProGunLiberal

Grrr, I still want to see the South more humiliated for slavery and the Jim Crow atrocities. Again, I hold that Charles Sumner was correct, and has continued to be correct about the American South.

Show me one iota of evidence otherwise. Where certain Southern States are getting better, it is because they are becoming part of the North (Virginia and North Carolina).

The North wasn't exactly the moral high-ground you know.

Why not vilify Rome and Greece for allowing slavery 1000 years ago?

Your frustration is understandable, but we don't need vengeance, we need cooperation.

109 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:39:10pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Interesting. Anyhow I despise the CSA as much as the next guy but a monument to an unknown soldier really doesn't bother me. Now making Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis on the same level as MLK and Lincoln, I do. Anyhow I think some of the best revenge on the old CSA can be seen by the man who is living in the White House and the fact that guys like the aforementioned Lincoln and MLK are among the most admired men in American history.

I agree with that.

110 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:39:53pm

re: #101 ProGunLiberal

I do see the commonality.

I guess the logic I have is this is the American Equivalent of de-Nazification.

I understand, but in this case the people who held slaves and rebelled against the Union are all dead. De-Nazification was against actual Nazis, not against their descendants.

Moreover, de-Nazification did not extend to cemeteries and tombs. Indeed the SS cemetery was not removed, even though the SS committed horrendous deeds.

Grave smashing is the action of the Salfist, PLL. Control your temper, and do not be them.

111 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:39:53pm

re: #108 ggt

Well, CSA was created specifically to save slavery, so celebrating CSA is celebrating slavery. It's proper to vilify CSA.

112 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:41:02pm

This worth adding? It's part of O'Sullivan's defense of Derbyshire:

The paradoxical result is that a piece that begins as a criticism of anti-white racism gradually morphs into something akin to an expression of white racism. It therefore strengthens the anti-white racism it is meant to satirize which, as it happens, is a growing problem in the U.S. — not in the suburbs or backwoods but in the corporate executive suites, the media elites, the courts, the bureaucracy, and of course the entire industry of sensitivity training which used to go under the more honest title of “Political Reeducation” in the gulag. Combined with class snobbery, as it usually is, anti-white racism produces bigotry and discrimination against innocent persons too, less viciously than past discriminations perhaps, but also more unanswerably because it operates under the virtuous disguise of anti-discrimination and social justice.

113 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:41:45pm

re: #112 Gus

Typo: "Many facts remains."

114 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:42:10pm

re: #112 Gus

This worth adding? It's part of O'Sullivan's defense of Derbyshire:

Yeah go for it man. By the way, I always get a kick out of people who are ingrained in the media establishment whining about media elites. It would be like if Mitt Romney ranted about plutocrats.

115 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:42:21pm

re: #112 Gus

This worth adding? It's part of O'Sullivan's defense of Derbyshire:

I don't see it at as adding anything to what you already have.

116 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:42:52pm

re: #111 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Well, CSA was created specifically to save slavery, so celebrating CSA is celebrating slavery. It's proper to vilify CSA.

It should be understood that the CSA was a bad cause fought for by good men (and some bad ones, too (See Forrest, Nathan Bedford)).

117 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:43:11pm

re: #112 Gus

This worth adding? It's part of O'Sullivan's defense of Derbyshire:

Is that recent?

118 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:43:25pm

re: #115 Shvaughn

I don't see it at as adding anything to what you already have.

I know. It's already a little bulky.

119 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:43:27pm

re: #109 ggt

I agree with that.

I really sincerely think the best cure is education and history lessons. As a former history major, I firmly believe that the best way to learn from the past is to read about it and not to make the same mistakes that were made then.

120 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:43:39pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Is that recent?

Yep.

121 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:43:59pm

re: #104 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

A soldier is a soldier.

...and a solider is usually a poor young bastard with little connection to the larger "cause" that moves governments to war.

Kamikaze were mentioned above--when I actually started reading about the propaganda and political education the Japanese implemented in the Meiji (and intensified after the military coup during the Showa Era), it really was painful to understand how those inhuman Japanese troops were moulded.

Tragic and frustrating--also sickly amazing how fast you can bend a culture into a new shape. The things we know to be "true" about Japan--bushido, the divine Emperor, etc--were modern imaginings...vaguely evoking "tradition" but actually invented whole-cloth in their specifics...that were just drilled into the nation's youth.

122 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:44:31pm

I thought this pages post was well written. It relates to the current discussion, I think.

123 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:44:37pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

I can grudgingly see your point.

This is one reason for National Education Standards. So the Lost Cause version of history is no longer taught.

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

True, some like Lee went with State over nation.

124 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:45:37pm

Dear NR,
Three strikes, your out.

125 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:46:09pm

By the way, not every white person in the South is the descendant of Confederates. Shit 70% of my relatives weren't even in the US let alone Virginia in 1861. My few relatives that were here were all proud Union people. IF people want to be proud of their individual great great grandfather who fought with Lee or Jackson, that's their right but when I do cross the line, it's making the CS cause out to be a just one and that's what having the old stars and bars on state flags at state capitols does.

126 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:46:42pm

re: #124 Varek Raith

Dear NR,
Three strikes, your out.

*Leslie Nielsen dance a la Naked Gun*

127 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:47:03pm

re: #121 The Ghost of a Flea

That sounds like the article from earlier about Hyper-Conservative Muslims right now.

128 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:47:13pm

re: #121 The Ghost of a Flea

...and a solider is usually a poor young bastard with little connection to the larger "cause" that moves governments to war.

Kamikaze were mentioned above--when I actually started reading about the propaganda and political education the Japanese implemented in the Meiji (and intensified after the military coup during the Showa Era), it really was painful to understand how those inhuman Japanese troops were moulded.

Tragic and frustrating--also sickly amazing how fast you can bend a culture into a new shape. The things we know to be "true" about Japan--bushido, the divine Emperor, etc--were modern imaginings...vaguely evoking "tradition" but actually invented whole-cloth in their specifics...that were just drilled into the nation's youth.

The atrocities they committed were beyond any sense of reason. I can't read too much about it, it's horrifying and unfortunately not as well known as the Nazi's.

I have no problem with the bomb being dropped on Japan. People really don't have an accurate understanding of why it was done.

129 Lidane  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:48:06pm

This is awesome and needs to happen more often:

How Twitter users turned the tables on the English Defence League

Tommy Robinson took a few seconds on Sunday evening to make an observation about Twitter's homepage. "Welcome to twitter homepage has a picture of a mosque," he wrote. "What a joke #creepingsharia." Of course, Tommy isn't just any old tweeter, but the co-founder of the English Defence League, a far-right protest group. Tweet posted, Robinson no doubt wandered off to do other Sunday evening things; maybe plan a rally or two.

Now, Twitter can be a cruel place. As in any online community, people can be vicious, rude and generally horrible, sometimes just for the hell of it. Yet on some days, it has the ability to give me a warm fuzzy glow and a fill me with a (gentle and unshowy) pride to be British. The Monday morning response to Robinson's hashtag was one of those moments.

In less than 24 hours, #creepingsharia was trending, but what could have become a feed for EDL members and sympathisers to display their hard-hitting "evidence" of the rampant Islamisation of Britain, instead attracted the nimble fingers of sensible and funny tweeters, wittily but firmly telling Robinson and others of his ilk where to shove their ill-informed views. (It's worth pointing out that the "mosque" that started this hashtag, this emblem of creeping sharia law into Britain was in fact the Taj Mahal, the marble mausoleum in India. It's almost as if the very existence of the EDL is based on false information, suspicion and idiocy. Hang on…)

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:48:38pm

re: #118 Gus

Could add a link to McDonald's page at vdare in that big SPLC quote.

131 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:48:44pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

By the way, not every white person in the South is the descendant of Confederates. Shit 70% of my relatives weren't even in the US let alone Virginia in 1861. My few relatives that were here were all proud Union people. IF people want to be proud of their individual great great grandfather who fought with Lee or Jackson, that's their right but when I do cross the line, it's making the CS cause out to be a just one and that's what having the old stars and bars on state flags at state capitols does.

Geneology time!

My dad's side of the family came over from Scotland and Ireland in 1796. They lived in Maryland and DC.
My mom's sied of the family came over from Sweden in 1913. They lived in New York and NJ.

132 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:49:30pm

re: #129 Lidane

This is awesome and needs to happen more often:

How Twitter users turned the tables on the English Defence League

LOL!

Taj Mahal---ROTFLAMO!

133 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:49:50pm

re: #128 ggt

The atrocities they committed were beyond any sense of reason. I can't read too much about it, it's horrifying and unfortunately not as well known as the Nazi's.

I have no problem with the bomb being dropped on Japan. People really don't have an accurate understanding of why it was done.

I know what you mean. I've had to do a little bit of research on Baatan at work(We have a big issue coming out about 1942) and it's just horrifying.The guys who survived Japanese captivity had to be some of the toughest and no disrespect luckiest guys but not only did they have to deal with brutality but also the elements.

134 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:49:53pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

Geneology time!

My dad's side of the family came over from Scotland and Ireland in 1796. They lived in Maryland and DC.
My mom's sied of the family came over from Sweden in 1913. They lived in New York and NJ.

So, do you burn or tan?

135 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:50:05pm

re: #129 Lidane

This is awesome and needs to happen more often:

How Twitter users turned the tables on the English Defence League

Hahahaha!

136 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:50:18pm

re: #122 ggt

I'm not sure Breivik is a white supremacist, rather than a white nationalist, but decided not to raise the issue there. For all we know, he may believe that Asians are superior to whites.

137 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:50:26pm

re: #134 ggt

So, do you burn or tan?

BURN!!!
OUCH!

138 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:51:53pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

Geneology time!

My dad's side of the family came over from Scotland and Ireland in 1796. They lived in Maryland and DC.
My mom's sied of the family came over from Sweden in 1913. They lived in New York and NJ.

Of course, it's far more complicated than that.
You know, Europeans.
:)

139 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:52:18pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I know what you mean. I've had to do a little bit of research on Baatan at work(We have a big issue coming out about 1942) and it's just horrifying.The guys who survived Japanese captivity had to be some of the toughest and no disrespect luckiest guys but not only did they have to deal with brutality but also the elements.

What the Japanese did to the Chinese was even worse.

We had a family friend (recently deceased) who survived Baatan and was also POW in China. His family has done tons of research in to the Pacific side of the war. My FIL also served on the Pacific side and wouldn't talk about it AT ALL.

What little I have learned is enough.

140 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:52:41pm

re: #136 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

I don't see how that matter much though. He is still racist in a way.

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Mom's side fought in the American Revolutionary War (In Maryland Militia), and the American Civil War (For the Union). I am quite proud of it.

141 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:52:52pm

re: #128 ggt

The atrocities they committed were beyond any sense of reason. I can't read too much about it, it's horrifying and unfortunately not as well known as the Nazi's.

I have no problem with the bomb being dropped on Japan. People really don't have an accurate understanding of why it was done.

Hell, lots of Americans still don't understand why it was done. I see CNN comments all the time asserting that we "nuked civilian areas of no military value to show we could", not knowing the Hiroshima was a Japanese area army HQ and the Fat Man bomb at Nagasaki was aimed at a Mitsubishi torpedo factory (an entirely military target liable to destruction without warning). The fault lay with Japan for putting military installations and military production facilities in areas populated by civilians.

142 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:52:57pm

re: #136 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

I'm not sure Breivik is a white supremacist, rather than a white nationalist, but decided not to raise the issue there. For all we know, he may believe that Asians are superior to whites.

I highly doubt that, but I get your point.

143 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:53:33pm

re: #139 ggt

Hoo boy, are you right. Rape of Nanjing for starters.

144 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:54:02pm

re: #140 ProGunLiberal

I don't see how that matter much though. He is still racist in a way.

It matters for a simple reason: ggt said it was well-written. But if it's wrong, it's not so well-written.

145 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:54:31pm

re: #139 ggt

What the Japanese did to the Chinese was even worse.

We had a family friend (recently deceased) who survived Baatan and was also POW in China. His family has done tons of research in to the Pacific side of the war. My FIL also served on the Pacific side and wouldn't talk about it AT ALL.

What little I have learned is enough.

Yeah, if there's a "forgotten war" there's that one. A lot of people don't know that the Japanese were in Manchuria as early as 1931 well before Hitler even got to power and before the Great Purges by Stalin too.

146 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:54:34pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

To be fair it WAS partially done to terrify the Japanese into submission. In conjunction with the Soviet Attack, it worked.

147 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:55:08pm

re: #128 ggt

The atrocities they committed were beyond any sense of reason. I can't read too much about it, it's horrifying and unfortunately not as well known as the Nazi's.

I have no problem with the bomb being dropped on Japan. People really don't have an accurate understanding of why it was done.

One of the more interesting aspects of reading about the lead-up to the Pacific War is realizing that the Japanese government were appropriating the racial and civilization-based rhetoric used by European powers to justify colonialism (and to a lesser extent the US during our westward expansion).

Manifest Destiny plus racial entitlement...it's one hell of a drug.

148 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:55:57pm

re: #142 ggt

Well, according to Rushton et al. Asians beat everybody in IQ, and that's what matters to these folks. He can't be a white supremacist if he admits that Asians are superior to him.

149 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:56:07pm

Done. Links galore.

150 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:56:11pm

The atom bomb is not an instrument of war.
It's an instrument of terror.

151 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:56:14pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Yeah, if there's a "forgotten war" there's that one. A lot of people don't know that the Japanese were in Manchuria as early as 1931 well before Hitler even got to power and before the Great Purges by Stalin too.

I've been told that WWII actually started with the invasion of Manchuria in 1931. Hubby went to Pearl Harbor during our trip. I couldn't bear it, with the Arizona being there and all. It revived a lot of stuff for him and we've been discussing the War ever since.

152 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:56:50pm

re: #150 Varek Raith

The atom bomb is not an instrument of war.
It's an instrument of terror.

It worked.

IIRC, the Japanese military was prepared to sacrifice every man, woman and child on the island rather than surrender.

153 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:57:00pm

Reading through Wikipedia in regards to Civil Rights in the US, I am still surprised at how big an asshole J. Edgar Hoover was, and how misguided the FBI was.

154 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:57:24pm

re: #140 ProGunLiberal

I don't see how that matter much though. He is still racist in a way.

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Mom's side fought in the American Revolutionary War (In Maryland Militia), and the American Civil War (For the Union). I am quite proud of it.

My father's father's family had not yet come to America when the Civil War broke out, but his mother's family had and one of them fought for the Union at the Battle of Franklin. However, most of my ancestors who fought in the Civil War were on my mother's side. She's from North Carolina and they wore Rebel gray (at least two of my ancestors fought in that war for the South).

155 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:58:01pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

Geneology time!

My dad's side of the family came over from Scotland and Ireland in 1796. They lived in Maryland and DC.
My mom's sied of the family came over from Sweden in 1913. They lived in New York and NJ.

Whitey!
Okay, okay.
Mom's side: Yugoslavian and Czechoslovak and we suspect Roma and I hope so because that's what I want my next tattoo to be of. Came to Western Pa in the early 1900's to work in the Coal Mines.

Dad's side: German, Irish, with a dash of Scottish. Went to Pittsburgh between the 1850's and 1880's.

One would think with that pedigree I'd burn in the sun but I actually tan decently. I mean my skin never gets olive colored but no one could call me pale legitimately either.

156 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:58:18pm

re: #148 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Well, according to Rushton et al. Asians beat everybody in IQ, and that's what matters to these folks. He can't be a white supremacist if he admits that Asians are superior to him.

eh, he'd rationalize his way thru that one-like he has everything else.

His delusions do not allow that he could be inferior to anyone but his concept of god.

157 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:59:20pm

re: #153 ProGunLiberal

Reading through Wikipedia in regards to Civil Rights in the US, I am still surprised at how big an asshole J. Edgar Hoover was, and how misguided the FBI was.

It was a different time, different and some very real fears.

IMHO, the problem is that too many people are still living it.

158 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 10:59:51pm

re: #136 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

I'm not sure Breivik is a white supremacist, rather than a white nationalist, but decided not to raise the issue there. For all we know, he may believe that Asians are superior to whites.

Here's a page that describes what his manifesto said about his time in China.

He doesn't sound like he thinks Asians are superior to whites, but he probably places them in a racial hierarchy above darker skinned people.

159 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:00:05pm

re: #146 ProGunLiberal

To be fair it WAS partially done to terrify the Japanese into submission. In conjunction with the Soviet Attack, it worked.

Had to be done. All of the alternatives would have gotten more Americans killed, and may well have killed more Japanese people as well. Japan had to be terrified, because in no other state of mind would they have surrendered.

160 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:00:19pm

Guess where I am.
Image: antares_eder_2000.jpg

161 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:00:52pm

re: #151 ggt

I've been told that WWII actually started with the invasion of Manchuria in 1931. Hubby went to Pearl Harbor during our trip. I couldn't bear it, with the Arizona being there and all. It revived a lot of stuff for him and we've been discussing the War ever since.

I would agree with that assessment. Honestly WWII is why I get a little peeved when I hear the term appeasement thrown around so liberally. Appeasement is what Chamberlain pulled at Munich when he basically told Hitler that he could take Czechoslovakia and the Western powers wouldn't do shit. Being practical about a war isn't appeasement. Selling out a whole nation of people is. On the other hand, I do understand why people weren't eager to rush into a new war after the horrors of WWI.

162 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:01:42pm

re: #112 Gus

This worth adding? It's part of O'Sullivan's defense of Derbyshire:

I suspect one could write volumes about O'Sullivan's opinions and past writings, and his connections to notoriously racist individuals or groups.

163 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:01:59pm

I'm glad that all of my ancestors who fought in the Civil War were not on the pro-slavery side.

164 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:02:17pm

re: #160 Varek Raith

Guess where I am.
Image: antares_eder_2000.jpg

in a delusion? hallucination?

165 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:02:52pm

re: #148 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Well, according to Rushton et al. Asians beat everybody in IQ, and that's what matters to these folks. He can't be a white supremacist if he admits that Asians are superior to him.

The "race realists" actually have a cute little walk-around wherein the Asians win in IQ but have various social and cultural tendencies that make them less efficacious than whites. Basically, they scrape up some old school Occidental/Oriental stuff and make it sounds more science-y.

166 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:03:08pm

re: #156 ggt

Maybe, I don't know. And neither does ausador ;) Breivik's views are odd in many respects, and they're pretty "nuanced" in a quirky way - i.e. vis a vis Jews and Israel and Holocaust denial (which he rejects). So I can see how he can be all like "whites are superior to blacks, but inferior to Asians, and we like it that way and don't want to mingle with anyone". Note however that race takes a secondary role in his screed. It's "cultural conservatism" and opposition to "cultural Marxism" that takes precedence over everything.

167 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:03:51pm

re: #163 Shvaughn

I'm glad that all of my ancestors who fought in the Civil War were not on the pro-slavery side.

I think I had one fight in the war. I've found some limited data. As to which side, I do not know.
Suspect I never will.

168 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:05:18pm

re: #158 Shvaughn

It says nothing about whites being superior too.

169 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:05:23pm

re: #164 ggt

in a delusion? hallucination?

Considering my lack of coffee...
Yes.

170 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:05:45pm

re: #169 Varek Raith

Considering my lack of coffee...
Yes.

So, what do I win?

171 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:06:23pm

I like accuracy.
Even if it's accuracy against things I... dislike.

172 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:06:28pm

re: #163 Shvaughn

I'm glad that all of my ancestors who fought in the Civil War were not on the pro-slavery side.

Some of mine were on the CSA side, but it is not the side I love nor the cause I defend:

173 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:06:48pm

re: #157 ggt

True. But I think J.E. Hoover is a time-proof douche.

re: #155 HappyWarrior

Dad's Side: Most came over in 1850's-1870's, settled in Michigan. Comes from Groenigen Province in the Netherlands, with history in the surrounding region, including into Germany. They are Frisian. My Grandfather's Mom immigrated from Norway in 1920. Came from Fredrikstad, and was about 20-30% Swedish

Mom's Side: Too fucking Complicated to explain. Generally, my mom's side would marry into the shiny new immigrant group that was coming in. The ethnicities included are Irish, Scottish, Scots-Irish, Welsh, English, French, Alsatian, Dutch, German, Swiss, Polish, and Slovakian. However, the records in a lot of places are gone, so there may have been more cobbling.

174 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:07:00pm

re: #168 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

It says nothing about whites being superior too.

I think it boils down to "HIM" being superior and having the right to do and kill whomever he wants for his own reasons.

I wouldn't try to interpret it any other way

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:07:37pm

re: #174 ggt

True, in a way. Breivik is a Breivik supremacist ;)

176 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:07:52pm

re: #170 ggt

So, what do I win?

Image: 3125898045_93a2b50037.jpg

177 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:07:58pm

both my parents were/are American's and I have the birth certificates to prove it!

178 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:08:36pm

re: #177 ggt

both my parents were/are American's and I have the birth certificates to prove it!

Sorry! Your certificate has layers. Try again? (Yes/No/FO)

///

179 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:08:39pm

re: #177 ggt

both my parents were/are American's and I have the birth certificates to prove it!

I thought they were Kenyans.
..............Wrong person

180 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:09:07pm

re: #173 ProGunLiberal

True. But I think J.E. Hoover is a time-proof douche.

re: #155 HappyWarrior

Dad's Side: Most came over in 1850's-1870's, settled in Michigan. Comes from Groenigen Province in the Netherlands, with history in the surrounding region, including into Germany. They are Frisian. My Grandfather's Mom immigrated from Norway in 1920. Came from Fredrikstad, and was about 20-30% Swedish

Mom's Side: Too fucking Complicated to explain. Generally, my mom's side would marry into the shiny new immigrant group that was coming in. The ethnicities included are Irish, Scottish, Scots-Irish, Welsh, English, French, Alsatian, Dutch, German, Swiss, Polish, and Slovakian. However, the records in a lot of places are gone, so there may have been more cobbling.

Heh!
I know what you mean.
I could trace my dad's side back to 1600ish.
My mom's side? 1890s. Way too complicated.

181 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:10:17pm

We are not a white nationalist organization! We are instead a traditional heritage organization.

//

182 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:10:49pm

I'm a pro me organization.
The rest of you all can bugger off!
/

183 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:11:05pm

re: #173 ProGunLiberal

And here's something to stoke your fire:

Pakistan is willing to reopen its Afghan border to NATO truck traffic if a large ($1,000-1,500 per truck) bribe is paid. Apparently the size of the bribe is calculated to be a bit below the additional cost of moving in goods via Central Asian railroads. As NATO forces depart Afghanistan in 2014, Pakistan does not want to miss out on a one-time opportunity to make some money from the heavy traffic generated by NATO forces shipping their equipment home. Pakistani officials see this as a big payday for themselves as little of that money (which could be north of $200 million) will go to anything like public welfare. Instead, the cash will go to politicians and other government officials. That is not unusual in Pakistan, it's the norm.

Political and religious violence in Karachi, Pakistan's largest and wealthiest city, have killed over 300 so far this year. While bad, the violence is down compared to last year, when over 1,700 died. The unrest in Karachi has cost the economy billions of dollars last year and some of those losses continue this year.

And so good news from the same article:

Bangladesh admits that it still has Islamic terror groups operating on its territory. Bangladesh is also negotiating an extradition treaty with India, so India can take some of these terrorists who are wanted for crimes inside India.

184 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:12:38pm

re: #180 Varek Raith

It's the inverse with mine. My dad's side goes to 1750's, max.

Mom's side? The Polish and Slovakian stop in the 1890's, but the males can be usually traced back to about 1600.

In the case of the Swiss, it can be traced to the 1505.

185 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:14:17pm

re: #182 Varek Raith

I'm a pro me organization.
The rest of you all can bugger off!
/

So you're a Varek supremacist, huh.

186 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:14:36pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Uh, bullshit! Afghanistan has become unwinnable due to various circumstances, including Pakistan's interference. Just leave.

That is good news about Bangladesh. Hopefully, they are solving the Farakka Barrage issue too.

187 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:14:54pm

re: #185 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

So you're a Varek supremacist, huh.

Them Varekists and their Varekism.

//

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:15:31pm

Listened to an interview on NPR today with the two people who won the Environmental Award said to be comparable to the Nobel.

Anywah, the one guy said that 2/3 of Chinese people do not have access to potable water. THAT is some scary shit

I can't find the names of the winners on the website. One was from China and one from Kenya. They seem to pushing Water and a Human Right agenda --which scares the shit out of me.

Living in the Midwest it is unthinkable to me.

189 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:15:49pm

re: #173 ProGunLiberal

...
My Grandfather's Mom immigrated from Norway in 1920. Came from Fredrikstad, and was about 20-30% Swedish

Mom's Side: Too fucking Complicated to explain. Generally, my mom's side would marry into the shiny new immigrant group that was coming in. The ethnicities included are Irish, Scottish, Scots-Irish, Welsh, English, French, Alsatian, Dutch, German, Swiss, Polish, and Slovakian. However, the records in a lot of places are gone, so there may have been more cobbling.

I've claimed here before that most of us on LGF are likely related if we're willing to go back at least 10 generations. As for you and I, I suspect it would be less than 10 generations.

190 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:15:51pm

re: #187 Gus

I'm pretty sure they're mortal enemies of Raithism, a heretical splinter group.

191 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:15:59pm

I can't go far back at all. I have seen some photos of my great great grandparents, well at least some of them. We saw my grandfather's grandmother and he had her same gruffness. She was probably a nice woman but you could see that this was a tough lady.

192 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:16:34pm

re: #185 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

So you're a Varek supremacist, huh.

Are you superior to the other undead --or are you an undead supremacist?

193 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:16:58pm

re: #192 ggt

Are you superior to the other undead --or are you an undead supremacist?

Superior.

194 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:17:28pm

re: #189 freetoken

I've found friends' last names in my family tree. My grandpa has been doing genealogy stuff since about 1994-1995 ish.

It shows.

195 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:17:49pm

re: #188 ggt

Anywah, the one guy said that 2/3 of Chinese people do not have access to potable water. THAT is some scary shit

I suspect he meant long-term safe potable water. The problem many Chinese face is that their water supplies are polluted with all sorts of industrial waste. Drinking water laced with heavy metals or pesticides over many years will catch up with one's health.

196 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:17:50pm

BTW if I had to keep going that page would never end. Here's another connection...

The National Policy Institute, Aryan Nations and Tremors

Same address as Alternative Right.

197 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:17:58pm

re: #186 ProGunLiberal

Uh, bullshit! Afghanistan has become unwinnable due to various circumstances, including Pakistan's interference. Just leave.

That is good news about Bangladesh. Hopefully, they are solving the Farakka Barrage issue too.

I'd rather give Russia free locomotive and leave that way. The crooks in Pakistan can take their bribe envelopes and shove them up their asses. Better to pay more and not have those assholes get any. Fuck them.

198 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:18:24pm

re: #189 freetoken

I've claimed here before that most of us on LGF are likely related if we're willing to go back at least 10 generations. As for you and I, I suspect it would be less than 10 generations.

I think there's some truth to that especially with people with British, French, German etc ancestries. Explains why so many of the presidents are related. the CT nuts like to act like it's some creepy conspiracy but it's just the nature of things. Shit it wouldn't shock me if I'm a distant cousin of William Joyce since he was from the same part of Ireland my family was. I always like to tell people I'd rather be related to James though.

199 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:19:05pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

That will do too. And how much of the money will go to the Taliban if we acquiesce to Pakistan's demands?

200 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:19:06pm

All I know is that my mother's ancestor that came to America fought for Napoleon in the Moscow debacle. Actually, a lot is known about that branch of the family--Bavarian.

Dad's family--not so much. Lots of records were lost during the Civil War.

201 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:19:21pm

re: #196 Gus

Yup, the "Alternative Right" was just a new veneer of white-wash on the old boy network of racists.

202 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:19:41pm

re: #200 ggt

All I know is that my mother's ancestor that came to America fought for Napoleon in the Moscow debacle.

SO YOU ARE MY ENEMY!!!!
///

203 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:20:36pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I think there's some truth to that especially with people with British, French, German etc ancestries. Explains why so many of the presidents are related. the CT nuts like to act like it's some creepy conspiracy but it's just the nature of things. Shit it wouldn't shock me if I'm a distant cousin of William Joyce since he was from the same part of Ireland my family was. I always like to tell people I'd rather be related to James though.

I think the European lineage is showing signs of inbreeding -- we need to cross-breed to save ourselves.

(not totally kidding here)

204 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:21:07pm

re: #202 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

SO YOU ARE MY ENEMY!!!
///

nah, he was conscripted --just another soldier lucky to survive.

205 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:21:15pm

re: #201 freetoken

Yup, the "Alternative Right" was just a new veneer of white-wash on the old boy network of racists.

Srdja Trifkovic. Interviewed by Richard Spencer on NPITV.

206 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:22:21pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

The Vikings/Norse mingled among the entire region of NW Europe, from Russia to Scotland, over many centuries. Plus, within Norway or Sweden proper many generations of families kept collapsing the family tree by having nth generation cousins marry (not uncommon worldwide.) Inevitably this means people of Norse decent find they have common ancestors not too far back and the same with most from NW Europe.

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:22:28pm

re: #204 ggt

nah, he was conscripted --just another soldier lucky to survive.

Yeah, constipation happens in those conditions wait you mean Nevermind.

/

208 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:22:39pm

I have to sleep.

Readjusting to adjusting to the time difference between Chicago and the Pacific is just not fun.

209 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:24:00pm

re: #203 ggt

Something I am seriously keeping in mind. My mom's side is diverse. My dad's, on the other hand, stayed in the same very narrow area for a very long time and continued marrying within that small subset group until my Great-Grandma, and then went back to old ways with my grandmother. The teacup sized genetic pool on my dad's side was unable to cope with the Bi-Polar/Autism from my Scandinavian Great-Grandmother.

210 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:24:09pm

re: #206 freetoken

The Vikings/Norse mingled among the entire region of NW Europe, from Russia to Scotland, over many centuries. Plus, within Norway or Sweden proper many generations of families kept collapsing the family tree by having nth generation cousins marry (not uncommon worldwide.) Inevitably this means people of Norse decent find they have common ancestors not too far back and the same with most from NW Europe.

Don't they say that in some places that a huge chunk of the population is a direct descendant of Genghis Khan or is it Kubla.

211 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:24:33pm

It's NPITV dot com. Right now I'm looking at some video they have tere by Saga who is described as:

Saga is a Swedish singer known for her white power numbers. She was at one point a member of the band Symphony of Sorrow.

Between 2000 and 2001 she released three albums covering numerous numbers by the British neo-Nazi punks Skrewdriver. "Ian Stuart was the leader singer and his determination to sing about what he believed in despite the hateful opposition and the corporate music industry which wouldn't play his music unless it fit their agenda [sic]", she says.[1]

She has described Rudolf Hess as "[a] true hero and martyr for our people. If I ever feel depressed over my situation I always compare to his sacrifices and then I always feel better cause I know that he took all those year for me and our folk." "Political systems and such things can change and can be fixed, but if our people dies it is gone forever", she says. "And that would mean that natures finest creation would be wiped out, wiped out forever."[2]

Following accusations that her music influenced Anders Behring Breivik, whose manifesto praised her as "the best and most talented patriotic musician in the English speaking world" and quoted lyrics from her songs,[3] she wrote that "[m]y music is conceived to be a positive step towards celebrating our identity... I have never sought to encourage or promote violence and I never shall. My thoughts are with the Norwegian people at this time and my heart goes out to all those affected by this hideous and utterly pointless atrocity."[4]

"[S]he is all about increased birthrates of European children", comments an anonymous coward at the Godlike Productions forum.[5]

There's a canadian band using the same name, but playing a lot better (and not racist) music.

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:24:48pm

re: #206 freetoken

The Vikings/Norse mingled among the entire region of NW Europe, from Russia to Scotland, over many centuries. Plus, within Norway or Sweden proper many generations of families kept collapsing the family tree by having nth generation cousins marry (not uncommon worldwide.) Inevitably this means people of Norse decent find they have common ancestors not too far back and the same with most from NW Europe.

Dad's family is said to have come to the British Isles with the Normans --meaning they were part of the Norman Invasion. Dad looked more Nordic, but that was 1000 years ago. I have very dark hair, eyes and obviously Irish skin. People seem to think that is unusual.

Does it really matter? WTF?

213 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:25:10pm

Wow.

214 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:25:33pm

re: #203 ggt

I think the European lineage is showing signs of inbreeding -- we need to cross-breed to save ourselves.

(not totally kidding here)

Heh you're not far off but I'd honestly would be shocked if we found intersection between my Slavic and Irish side. But then again maybe they were Wild Geese*
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

215 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:25:37pm

re: #199 ProGunLiberal

That will do too. And how much of the money will go to the Taliban if we acquiesce to Pakistan's demands?

5% at a guess. The ISI uses bribe monies like that as part of their slush funds to subsidize Radical Islamists. So if we pay Pakistan, we are paying the Taliban. The other choice is to pay Putin, who is an asshole but more predictable and significantly less hostile to us. I vote to pay Putin, especially since more the money we pay Russia to haul freight actually goes to where it does good. It's also paying for the extension of the railroad in Afghanistan, some thing that if run all the way to Kabul might really help the country's north and make a Taliban come-back less likely.

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:25:41pm

re: #209 ProGunLiberal

Something I am seriously keeping in mind. My mom's side is diverse. My dad's, on the other hand, stayed in the same very narrow area for a very long time and continued marrying within that small subset group until my Great-Grandma, and then went back to old ways with my grandmother. The teacup sized genetic pool on my dad's side was unable to cope with the Bi-Polar/Autism from my Scandinavian Great-Grandmother.

Like in dogs, mixed-breeds tend to be the healthiest and most stable.

Breviks of the world can't stand that.

217 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:25:46pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Genghis has many descendants, supposedly, but then again so does the vast network of inter-married royal families of Europe, and most of those descendants aren't recognized as royalty (because the children were born to mistresses, etc.)

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:25:49pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Interesting read: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

219 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:26:13pm

re: #206 freetoken

My Grandpa found something odd that he isn't quite sure is factual, but on my mom's side, he found a line that looped from Wales to Russia/Ukraine, to Viking Era Swedish Royalty.

Odd, but I guess possible.

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:26:50pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

Heh you're not far off but I'd honestly would be shocked if we found intersection between my Slavic and Irish side. But then again maybe they were Wild Geese*
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

One of our old British friends (man) said that there are no good looking women in England because the Vikings stole them all.

LOL --he emigrated to the US and married a beautiful black woman. They made a very pretty baby together.

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:27:14pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

There was one, when all of us were Africans.

222 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:27:21pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

I could go with that, big time.

223 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:28:10pm

re: #211 Gus

It's NPITV dot com. Right now I'm looking at some video they have tere by Saga who is described as:

Cached page.

Read the comments.

224 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:29:08pm

re: #221 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

There was one, when all of us were Africans.

Well yeah goes without saying but I'd be shocked if we could trace it through the centuries. Nat Geo apparently offers this DNA test. They look at markers in your DNA and can use that to determine where your family has been. Could be interesting to look at that.

225 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:29:57pm

Saw this on Wikipedia:

It is possible to obtain a copy of an FBI file on oneself, on a living person who gives you permission to do so, or on a deceased individual, through the U.S. Freedom of Information Act. The FBI has generated files on numerous celebrities including Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, John Denver, John Lennon, Jane Fonda, Groucho Marx, Charlie Chaplin, MC5, Lou Costello, Sonny Bono, Bob Dylan, Michael Jackson, Mickey Mantle, and Gene Autry. The FBI also profiled Jack the Ripper in 1988 but his identity still remains unproven today. To quote Howard Zinn, "if I found that the FBI did not have any dossier on me, it would have been tremendously embarrassing and I wouldn't have been able to face my friends."

Who wants to request the FBI report on themselves? I kinda want to.

226 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:30:04pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Well yeah goes without saying but I'd be shocked if we could trace it through the centuries. Nat Geo apparently offers this DNA test. They look at markers in your DNA and can use that to determine where your family has been. Could be interesting to look at that.

I looked into that and then didn't do it.

Does sound interesting, but it doesn't give real detailed info --just the general out line of how genetic info has travelled the globe --IIRC.

227 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:30:17pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I really want to do that.

228 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:31:13pm

re: #226 ggt

I looked into that and then didn't do it.

Does sound interesting, but it doesn't give real detailed info --just the general out line of how genetic info has travelled the globe --IIRC.

Yeah that's something I'll probably do if I get lucky with some money. Damn not getting lucky at the Casino in NM in the Winter heh.

229 Shvaughn  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:32:07pm

re: #225 ProGunLiberal

Saw this on Wikipedia:

Who wants to request the FBI report on themselves? I kinda want to.

Requesting it, if there's not already one on you, is probably a good way to get them to start one.

230 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:33:09pm

Speaking of exotic combinations because ggt brought up her British friend who had a child with a black woman. This singer I saw Saturday night was part Icelandic and Sri Lankan. Really cute and can sing with the best of them too.

231 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:35:12pm

Listen every conquered people who weren't slaughtered were taken and sold as slaves --part of the soldier's bounty. Pretty young girls were very, very salable. Babies were made and sold. They could end-up anywhere --literally. People were more mobile than many think they were. Not quite like today, but there was no birth control, no way to control rape and prostitution. Women were property.

Virginity in the non-royal or wealthy castes only meant something if the girl was pretty and saleable (or saleable in marriage).

Genetic Purity is a joke for everyone not bound to an Island in a remote sea.

232 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:35:38pm

re: #219 ProGunLiberal

The ancient line of Russian royalty has Norse roots. Though later they would fight wars against Swedes, etc., it should be noted that what we think of as Russia today is an agglomeration of many lands comprising many peoples originating from ancient hunter gatherer groups as well as the farming invasion from the south. There is a history, sort of but with missing pieces, of this: The Rus People.

Contemporary genomics isn't as widespread in Russia as it is in the US or NW Europe, but I'm pretty sure that over time DNA testing will reveal many interesting things about "Russians".

233 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:35:47pm

Good night, all.

234 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:37:35pm

I'm off as well.

Have a wonderful evening/morning all!

235 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:38:24pm

re: #212 ggt

I have Darkish-Brown Hair, Hazel Eyes, fairly pale (veins completely tracable from about mid-forearm down), am 6'5", and weigh about 150 lb.

I am a genetic screwball. What ethnicity is that like? Probably a mix.

236 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:38:37pm

Founder of the National Policy Institute:

Louis Andrews

An acolyte of racist publisher William H. Regnery, Louis Andrews has become increasingly important in academic racist circles in recent years. Going back to the 1990s, Andrews has run a website called "Stalking the Wild Taboo" meant "for sociopolitical thinkers unfettered by submission to the power of the pejorative," by which Andrews means for those unafraid of being called racist. More recently, Andrews, a graduate of the College of Charleston who did some graduate work in history at the University of South Carolina, was named managing editor of The Occidental Quarterly, a racist journal published by Regnery's Charles Martel Society, and a director of the National Policy Institute, another hate group that was started recently by Regnery. Andrews has written widely on such matters as race and intelligence, but he also publishes large amounts of work from likeminded allies. Through his company L.R. Andrews, Inc. (www.lrainc.com), he runs Washington Summit Publishers, which reprints a range of classical and modern racist tracts, along with books on eugenics, the discredited "science" of breeding better humans. Washington Summit also sells the works of Kevin MacDonald, which Andrews says show why "anti-Semitism is a naturally expected and powerful phenomenon."

237 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:38:40pm

re: #232 freetoken

The ancient line of Russian royalty has Norse roots. Though later they would fight wars against Swedes, etc., it should be noted that what we think of as Russia today is an agglomeration of many lands comprising many peoples originating from ancient hunter gatherer groups as well as the farming invasion from the south. There is a history, sort of but with missing pieces, of this: The Rus People.

Contemporary genomics isn't as widespread in Russia as it is in the US or NW Europe, but I'm pretty sure that over time DNA testing will reveal many interesting things about "Russians".

You know there's an interesting picture of Nicholas II and George V(I believe) of England on the eve of WWI. The two are wearing a military officer's uniform of the other's nation and the two look virtually identical. It's funny that here in the US we associate inbreeding with poverty and low class but in Europe, Queen Victoria had the well earned title "The Grandmother of Europe." Kaiser Wilhelm was also a first cousin of Nicholas and George.

238 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:39:04pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Well yeah goes without saying but I'd be shocked if we could trace it through the centuries. Nat Geo apparently offers this DNA test. They look at markers in your DNA and can use that to determine where your family has been. Could be interesting to look at that.

NatGeo a little while back participated in an early genomic study for one of their specials.

However, the current series on PBS with Henry Gates shows what most people do today - get tested by companies like 23andMe that test about 700,000 locations on the human DNA, enough to distinguish ancestry at least in generalities, and to test for relationships with high confidence to at least 5th cousins and with moderate confidence to 7th or 8th cousins.

239 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:40:50pm

re: #236 Gus

Founder of the National Policy Institute:

Louis Andrews

You could draw an entire "family tree" of racists and their organizations (including ties to NR). Would make a good image to send around the internet.

240 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:41:07pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

I saw a picture of 2 European Royals (I think the Prussian and English Kings?) on Something Awful. They looked like twins.

re: #238 freetoken

If I marry a European (especially one with family history in the Netherlands), I will do that test. I'm trying to dilute the Autism in my family history.

241 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:42:07pm

Holocaust museum gunman may reflect growing racial turmoil among disaffected U.S. whites

Louis R. Andrews, chairman of a white advocacy group called the National Policy Institute, said he does not support violence, but he expects to see increased racial animosity that will eventually manifest itself in more physical attacks.

"There's no such thing as post-racial," Andrews said, when asked about the claim that Obama's election moved American race relations to a better place. "There's conflict, conflict and continued conflict."

Andrews said he voted for Obama because "I want to see the Republican Party destroyed, so it can be reborn as a party representing the interests of white people, and not entrenched corporate elites."

He kicked the bucket last year.

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:43:37pm

re: #236 Gus

[Link: www.store.npitv.com...]

Tomislav Sunic mingles with neo-Nazis. Taylor, of course.

243 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:43:47pm

re: #240 ProGunLiberal

I saw a picture of 2 European Royals (I think the Prussian and English Kings?) on Something Awful. They looked like twins.

I think all the families were related someway or another. Anyhow, I think the nature of Kings and Queens explains why nationalism's rise is related with the rise of republicanism and why nationalism at least as we know it is a new thing. Being on the autistic spectrum myself though, what does the Netherland have to do with it? I can't even think of any relatives who are even close to being on the spectrum.

244 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:45:21pm

re: #242 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

[Link: www.store.npitv.com...]

Tomislav Sunic mingles with neo-Nazis. Taylor, of course.

I was at one of the pages below just now:

Toward a New Nationalism
2011 Conference HD Video Pack
$9.99

NPI’s 2011 conference in Washington, DC, addressed the consequences of mass immigration into the United States and Europe from cultural, political, and biological perspectives. Presenters included Sam Dickson, James Edwards, Alex Kurtagić, Keith Preston, Byron Roth, Richard Spencer, Tomislav Sunić, Jared Taylor, and others.

* * *

“Nation” is an English word too often misused or taken for granted, its real meaning ignored or obscured.

Nation, in fact, does not refer to a governmental entity officially recognized by the UN, nor even to a plot of land with specified borders.

Nation, from the Latin “nasci” (“to be born”), means a race, a people that shares a common experience, tradition, and, most important, ancestry.

In this way, the National Question is one that should precede others regarding economics, culture, and politics. It is the fundamental questions of who we are and who we are to become.

Standing for the longterm interest of America’s historic majority, The National Policy Institute’s central mission is that of nationalism, properly defined. In its first ever conference, NPI assembled a group of men who come from a variety of intellectual backgrounds but who are united in an abiding concern for the future of Western nations and the civilization to which they gave birth.

245 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:45:40pm

re: #238 freetoken

If I marry a European (especially one with family history in the Netherlands), I will do that test. I'm trying to dilute the Autism in my family history.

Everything I've read about autism and genetics suggests that this is a very complex disease with many possible interactions from various alleles. IOW, it's not as simple as just identifying a few genes or one's ancestry (beyond siblings.)

Even inter-breeding with your most distant relative, probably a San from SW Africa or a known purely native of Australia, is hardly a guarantee of avoiding autism.

246 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:46:24pm

Last one should have looked like this:

re: #238 freetoken

If I marry a European (especially one with family history in the Netherlands), I will do that test. I'm trying to dilute the Autism in my family history.

Everything I've read about autism and genetics suggests that this is a very complex disease with many possible interactions from various alleles. IOW, it's not as simple as just identifying a few genes or one's ancestry (beyond siblings.)

Even inter-breeding with your most distant relative, probably a San from SW Africa or a known purely native of Australia, is hardly a guarantee of avoiding autism.

247 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:47:48pm

re: #244 Gus

Basically, we see a continuum from mainstream conservatism to neo-Nazis.

248 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:50:48pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

My dad's side kept marrying within the small genetic area for so long that I suspect inbreeding occurred in a particularly severe way. My Norwegian Great-Grandmother likely introduced the Autism and Bipolar Disorder now so prevalent in my family. It's interesting to see the mental instability on Dad's side compared to my mom's. And further interesting to note that the mental disorders are more prevalent among descendants of my biological Great-Grandfather than my step Great-Grandfather (My Great-Grandmother divorced and remarried. Another Dutchman, but one with a Ancestry from the entirety of the Netherlands, not just the small northern region of Groenigen).

I think Autism is largely genetic.

249 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:50:50pm

re: #247 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Basically, we see a continuum from mainstream conservatism to neo-Nazis.

I was about to call them Nazis. These are the real Nazis. Not the yahoos we see from time to time like many of the hillbilly Nazis.

250 Gus  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:54:22pm

And VDare was at CPAC. The GOP presidential candidates spoke at CPAC. Many on the right refuse to acknowledge that this repugnant group of people are white nationalists with ties to old school nationalists.

251 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:54:56pm

re: #248 ProGunLiberal

My dad's side kept marrying within the small genetic area for so long that I suspect inbreeding occurred in a particularly severe way. My Norwegian Great-Grandmother likely introduced the Autism and Bipolar Disorder now so prevalent in my family. It's interesting to see the mental instability on Dad's side compared to my mom's. And further interesting to note that the mental disorders are more prevalent among descendants of my biological Great-Grandfather than my step Great-Grandfather (My Great-Grandmother divorced and remarried. Another Dutchman, but one with a Ancestry from the entirety of the Netherlands, not just the small northern region of Groenigen).

I think Autism is largely genetic.

Gotcha. I don't know though. I do believe autism to be genetic but i don't know if it's imbreeding or not that causes it or even if it runs in certain ethnic-national groups. I can't tell which side of the family it comes from since as I said I can't see traits of my Asperger's in any relative.

252 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:56:30pm

re: #250 Gus

And VDare was at CPAC. The GOP presidential candidates spoke at CPAC. Many on the right refuse to acknowledge that this repugnant group of people are white nationalists with ties to old school nationalists.

They had a whole panel at CPAC if memory serves. But yes this is a big problem with many on the right that refuse to acknowledge this. They think it's just the left being "the real racists." It's their problem. The tent's getting smaller and smaller and more and more people are shitting inside and it's starting to stink.

253 freetoken  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:56:32pm

re: #248 ProGunLiberal

Mental illness is difficult to deal with but also from a genetics viewpoint very difficult to pin down. Development (physical as well as familial) plays a big role, probably as big or bigger than genetics.

Everything I've seen about this stuff suggest that these syndromes arise from a large set of changes within a population. Of the 20,000 + suspected "genes" in the human DNA a great many of them may come into play when looking at what we call mental health.

For your benefit it is probably more fruitful to pursue healthy lifestyle with plenty of positive social interaction to reinforce good relationships. That's going to stay with you, while there is nothing you can do about your DNA no matter how little or big a role it plays in your life.

254 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:59:21pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Oh, I can! Dad acts like it, and so does his dad. In addtion, Bipolar seems to be closely related to Autism. Bipolar appears in my Uncle, and in one Half Second Cousin. And possibly more than that.

4 out of 5 males since my Great-Grandfather has had Autism or Bipolar. My cousin is the only exception.

He, however, is a runt at 5'8". The average male height for my family is 6'3.5"

My dad is the shortest at 6"2'.

255 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:03:31am

Sure has a high Tweet to views ratio. :)

256 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:05:27am

re: #255 Gus

You'll be on the front page here tomorrow. I guarantee it.

257 researchok  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:05:36am

re: #255 Gus

If there was a post of the year award, your latest would take.

Really, really solid.

258 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:05:56am

re: #254 ProGunLiberal

Oh, I can! Dad acts like it, and so does his dad. In addtion, Bipolar seems to be closely related to Autism. Bipolar appears in my Uncle, and in one Half Second Cousin. And possibly more than that.

4 out of 5 males since my Great-Grandfather has had Autism or Bipolar. My cousin is the only exception.

He, however, is a runt at 5'8". The average male height for my family is 6'3.5"

My dad is the shortest at 6"2'.

I can't see my Dad being on the spectrum any. Nor can I my grandfather who I knew, my uncles, or any of my brothers. Never knew my Dad's Dad but I doubt he was given the stories I have heard about his personality. I think my youngest brother is most like my Dad of me and my brothers. He's got the gregarious personality and the tendency to be a little hypersensitive.

259 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:06:31am

re: #256 ProGunLiberal

You'll be on the front page here tomorrow. I guarantee it.

Yep. Charles said as much.

260 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:06:49am

re: #259 Gus

Yep. Charles said as much.

Well you've earned it.

261 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:07:15am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Yep. He's on a roll!

262 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:08:43am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

What about Bipolar or Schizophrenia? The three are closely related, and often if on shows up, at least one of the others will too.

That pattern occurred in my family. A Bipolar-Autism Combination.

263 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:10:00am

re: #257 researchok

If there was a post of the year award, your latest would take.

Really, really solid.

Thanks. Wasn't sure what to do at first. So I started typing on Wordpad and using collected links and new research. It actually keep growing as you can see with NPI. These people are awful. In many ways O'Sullivan might be the worst of the bunch considering his stealthiness and connection to VDare whilst Derbyshire was a matter of direct rhetoric. O'Sullivan was a bigger dog back in the old days. And as I mentioned earlier, Buckley booted Brimelow and demoted O'Sullivan.

264 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:11:35am

re: #262 ProGunLiberal

What about Bipolar or Schizophrenia? The three are closely related, and often if on shows up, at least one of the others will too.

That pattern occurred in my family. A Bipolar-Autism Combination.

No, there's definitely some Anxiety though.

265 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:13:18am

Wow. Now some lunatic at VDare is calling Jonah Goldberg a racist.

266 freetoken  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:16:14am

re: #265 Gus

The day of reckoning is at hand for people like Jonah Goldberg - will they finally admit that they've been rowing in the navy of the racists and supremacists? The time has come for Jonah Goldberg and some others to follow Frum and denounce much of the "right wing" and try to pursue a new "conservatism", if they want to continue down an ideological path that can be so labeled.

267 researchok  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:19:52am

re: #263 Gus

Thanks. Wasn't sure what to do at first. So I started typing on Wordpad and using collected links and new research. It actually keep growing as you can see with NPI. These people are awful. In many ways O'Sullivan might be the worst of the bunch considering his stealthiness and connection to VDare whilst Derbyshire was a matter of direct rhetoric. O'Sullivan was a bigger dog back in the old days. And as I mentioned earlier, Buckley booted Brimelow and demoted O'Sullivan.

I have to agree.

The power of the post lies in the flow and and necessary conclusions drawn. There isn't much in the way of editorializing (which makes the piece all that much better)- the reader can only come to the same conclusions you did.

This whole episode highlights the reality that fidelity to cause/ideology- any cause, left or right- is not a way of life. Blind obedience only leads to a blacker world. Like any pathology left untreated, that single mindedness will only escalate and reinforce the blindness.

It isn't as if there are not enough awful examples of what happens when ideology trumps all.

This is a really, really good post- and an even more important object lesson.

268 researchok  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:20:36am

re: #266 freetoken

Well said.

269 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:22:20am

Why is RedEye trending?

270 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:25:16am

re: #266 freetoken

The day of reckoning is at hand for people like Jonah Goldberg - will they finally admit that they've been rowing in the navy of the racists and supremacists? The time has come for Jonah Goldberg and some others to follow Frum and denounce much of the "right wing" and try to pursue a new "conservatism", if they want to continue down an ideological path that can be so labeled.

His move as well as Lowry's. I've never seen anything shocking from Jonah. Other than the goofy liberals are Nazis bullshit. Maybe that was a form of denial because as it turns out. Well. The real cousins of Nazis are right at his door. Nationalism is Nazism in its purist form without the collective. One needn't be a national socialist to be a Nazi. There are hybrids such as libertarian nationalism which exists in Poland currently. Pinochet was a form of that as well.

271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:28:24am

JPost jumped the shark some time ago, but this is a new low:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Jeff Dunetz, the editor-in-chief of the pro-Israel blog “Yid With Lid” and writer for the late Andrew Breitbart’s website Big Journalism, wrote the Post on Monday by email: “Rosenberg still clings to the story that he wasn’t fired, he quit. And there is no evidence that he was fired. However if he did leave on his own he may be the first person in history to quit a $129,568 salary per year job in a rotten economy just because he wanted to start a blog. I believe MJ Rosenberg was hired by MMFA at the request of the White House.”

So they quote stupid Kahanist bloggers as experts now? The whole article is a wingnut derp.

272 freetoken  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:40:44am

re: #270 Gus

His move as well as Lowry's. I've never seen anything shocking from Jonah.

Agree. Stupid? Yes. But shocking and disgusting a la Derbyshire? No. Goldberg is just one of many who have cultured for themselves a little corner of "conservative"-land but who have turned a blind eye to some really, really ugly stuff with which they have allied themselves.

Getting back to the idea of Nazism, I'll repeat what I emphasized months ago, that the term that applies better is fascistic . Nationalism is pretty common, but when it crosses over into a form of ideology that stresses the correctness of purity or the rightness of a mythic identity (i.e., the special "nation") one has marched down that path that led the early 20th century to so much heartache.

273 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:48:43am

re: #271 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

JPost jumped the shark some time ago, but this is a new low:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

So they quote stupid Kahanist bloggers as experts now? The whole article is a wingnut derp.

That's hilarious. Another conspiracy theory.

274 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:52:51am

re: #273 Gus

That's the level of JPost journalism. Ask wingnuts for opinion, print it.

275 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:54:38am

re: #274 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

That's the level of JPost journalism. Ask wingnuts for opinion, print it.

I'm laughing here. So that weirdo from "Occidental Dissent" just sent me a link to his "Little Green Fags" page with the word "Thanks" on it. Then he re-Tweeted me.

276 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:57:29am

re: #275 Gus

He hates NR, so he is having fun.

277 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:57:53am

re: #275 Gus

I'm laughing here. So that weirdo from "Occidental Dissent" just sent me a link to his "Little Green Fags" page with the word "Thanks" on it. Then he re-Tweeted me.

Comment from there:

Lew says:
April 17, 2012 at 5:03 am

Gus is a pathetic loser. That imbecile writes as if he has unearthed a lost Shakespeare play when all he has done is repeated public information.

WTF does these people think they have discovered about these various relationships and interconnections that SPLC/ADL haven’t know about for years?

I also noticed in passing that “Gus” quotes Alex Knepper’s attack on Richard Spencer. Alex Knepper is a gay neocon who used to be Zionist Jew David Frum’s protege.

278 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:58:44am

re: #277 Gus

Lew? ///

279 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:01:00am

re: #278 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Lew? ///

Gotta love it. Lew maybe as in Lew Rockwell? And something about a Jew. Gee. What a surprise.

280 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:05:26am
281 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:08:15am

It is pretty funny though:

Will Gus802 and Media Matters succeed in punking Rich [Lowry] and publicly making him his bitch again? Derb predicted there would be some “creative destruction up ahead in the conservative movement.”

You can't make this shit up.

282 freetoken  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:12:57am

re: #277 Gus

Comment from there:

[wingnut]Lew says:
April 17, 2012 at 5:03 am

Gus is a pathetic loser. That imbecile writes as if he has unearthed a lost Shakespeare play when all he has done is repeated public information.

WTF does these people think they have discovered about these various relationships and interconnections that SPLC/ADL haven’t know about for years?

That idiot Lew doesn't seem to realize that point - that this connection to racists has been known for years - is the whole issue.

IOW, the "right" in this country, the political groups and their publishers/publicists/outlets have long associated with these racists groups and just ignored the consequences, pretending like it didn't matter.

The heat today arises from the fact that it is becoming clear that this relationship does matter, because the political bantering in this country is being strongly tinged by racial hatred that is a reaction to President Obama being elected.

283 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:25:47am

Must be stupid night:

284 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:26:19am

re: #283 Gus

Must be stupid night:

To which I responded:

285 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:33:57am
286 freetoken  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 2:03:37am
287 researchok  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 2:17:31am

re: #286 freetoken

Says file not found

288 freetoken  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 2:29:04am

re: #287 researchok

Still plays for me.

289 freetoken  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 2:36:14am
290 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 2:39:33am

re: #288 freetoken

I get a FNF too.

291 researchok  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 2:41:37am

re: #289 freetoken

Whoever that was can really belt 'em out!

292 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 2:48:11am

Plays for me.

293 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 2:49:14am

You just have to open the link in the new window:

www.artifacting.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/TVThemes/090%20-%20Wagon%20Train%20(1957-1964,%20Music%20By%20Jerome%20Moross).mp3

294 freetoken  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 3:04:18am

re: #291 researchok

Whoever that was can really belt 'em out!

Shirley Bassey.

295 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 3:10:43am

Good morning Lizards. Another warm day in Philly. 60s in the early morning and probably in the 80s by this afternoon. (When I'm trying to sleep a bit from the graveyard shift work. :P )

Need more coffee.

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:36:30am

is it morning?

297 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:38:14am

I have coffee, and I can see across the yard. The dog is not standing by his harness, so it's not-quite-morning.

Good Not-Quite-Morning.

298 Digital Display  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:41:46am

re: #296 ggt

is it morning?

At this moment the Sun is beginning to rise in Oklahoma.. Winston is still under the covers in my bed.. SportsCenter is on and I'm thinking Rice Krispies would taste good..
Good Morning

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:42:25am

re: #296 ggt

is it morning?

arghheh ?

300 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:42:51am

re: #299 ggt

arghheh ?

I meant that as a reply to Deb.

301 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:43:14am

re: #299 ggt

arghheh ?

Don't forget to floss.

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:44:06am

I don't know about inbreeding and mental illness or autism, per se. I do think the worst traits of any genetics are concentrated/compounded in those who keep breeding within a group generation after generation.

How does it work with plants --is it any different than with dogs?

303 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:47:46am
304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:48:35am

emancipation day in D.C.?

why do they get more holiday's than the rest of us?

305 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:49:55am

We keep up with autism lit because of Granddaughter 3. Best guess is still a genetic component triggered by unknown (perhaps environmental) factors.
That's assuming that the word 'autism' refers to one condition with a narrow etiology. The docs haven't got a very good handle on the definitions we're going to need, viz. autism/Asberger's.

306 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:54:22am

I've been hearing a lot about "mitochondrial" and "diet" in the same concept regarding putting disorder/disease into remission.

Anyone got any ideas/links on it?

307 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:55:22am

re: #305 Decatur Deb

We keep up with autism lit because of Granddaughter 3. Best guess is still a genetic component triggered by unknown (perhaps environmental) factors.
That's assuming that the word 'autism' refers to one condition with a narrow etiology. The docs haven't got a very good handle on the definitions we're going to need, viz. autism/Asberger's.

Lately Asberger's seems to be synonymous with "just plain weird". It used to mean something.

308 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 4:56:15am

I hate it when the first morning cuppa is luke-warm.

309 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:00:44am

re: #308 ggt

I hate it when the first morning cuppa is luke-warm.

microwave

310 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:01:49am

re: #309 Expand Your Ground

microwave

ewww! changes the flavor.

311 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:02:28am

re: #306 ggt

I've been hearing a lot about "mitochondrial" and "diet" in the same concept regarding putting disorder/disease into remission.

Anyone got any ideas/links on it?

Our family will give a firm but limited endorsement to the no milk/no gluten experiment. It does not apply to all cases, nor has the mechanism been explained. At the same time, there is no doubt that GD3 quickly goes into headaches and loses it for half a day if she slips off the diet. Her reaction is way stronger than any placebo effect, and was obvious before she had any idea of what a 'diet' was. By age 6 she was completely self-policing on treats-of-opportunity.

A Norwegian doc at Uppsala is the proponent, and thinks it is a metabolic reaction in certain types of autism. Other studies have attacked it. There is no great 'movement' associated with the diet. If it works, do it, if not forget it. Watch for adequate nutrients.

312 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:03:19am

re: #309 Expand Your Ground

microwave

Gaaakkk. French press, made in 2-cup batches.

313 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:04:22am

re: #311 Decatur Deb

Our family will give a firm but limited endorsement to the no milk/no gluten experiment. It does not apply to all cases, nor has the mechanism been explained. At the same time, there is no doubt that GD3 quickly goes into headaches and loses it for half a day if she slips off the diet. Her reaction is way stronger than any placebo effect, and was obvious before she had any idea of what a 'diet' was. By age 6 she was completely self-policing on treats-of-opportunity.

A Norwegian doc at Uppsala is the proponent, and thinks it is a metabolic reaction in certain types of autism. Other studies have attacked it. There is no great 'movement' associated with the diet. If it works, do it, if not forget it. Watch for adequate nutrients.

There is some expensive not covered by insurance blood test people use to determine certain whatevers (yes it is morning). Then tweek their diets until they get the best results.

They say it's a lot of work and research, but the results are worth it.

314 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:05:08am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Gaaakkk. French press, made in 2-cup batches.

oh man! one of the resorts we stayed at for a couple of days was totally upscale and more than a little wierd. One of the good things was french press coffee!

315 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:05:55am

Man, Gus did some awesome work on the Pages --to be promoted today.

316 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:06:15am

re: #314 ggt

oh man! one of the resorts we stayed at for a couple of days was totally upscale and more than a little wierd. One of the good things was french press coffee!

I keep it real by using good proletarian Chock-Full-O' Nuts.

317 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:06:58am

re: #308 ggt

Time to clean the coffee maker!

318 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:07:15am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

I keep it real by using good proletarian Chock-Full-O' Nuts.

ewww!

Been using the 8 o'clock because of coupons.

319 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:07:36am

re: #317 Tommy's cone of shame

Time to clean the coffee maker!

or wait until the whole pot is brewed.

320 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:08:56am

re: #319 ggt

Oh, you can't steal before it is done, weakens the whole batch.

321 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:09:44am

re: #313 ggt

There is some expensive not covered by insurance blood test people use to determine certain whatevers (yes it is morning). Then tweek their diets until they get the best results.

They say it's a lot of work and research, but the results are worth it.

We stumbled on to it by hitting a decent pediatrician. We didn't have to test--the impact in the kid's case is pretty overwhelming. Until we found sources for 'safe' foods, the diet was very intrusive. Now we can find things like a frozen yogurt shop that always stocks one non-dairy.

322 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:12:45am

re: #318 ggt

ewww!

Been using the 8 o'clock because of coupons.

Nostalgia value. Started on CFO'N in New York. They used to have a chain of shops all over town.

323 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:13:04am

Feels like afternoon to me. Time for lunch, but I'll settle for a little instant oatmeal for now.

324 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:13:17am

My middle daughter is on a low-phosphate diet, which excludes egg yolks, milk and most processed food. For ADHD and general behavioral problems.

325 A Mom Anon  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:13:45am

re: #307 ggt

I think part of the issue is that the autism spectrum is not at all narrow. Asperger Syndrome has become more well known(when my son was little,AS was not even known as a diagnosis in the U.S. He was given a diagnosis of PDD-NOS at age 5,pervasive developmental disorder-not otherwise specified)and it's become,IMO overdiagnosed. We have a tendency to do that in this country and then things level out after we learn more.

Simply not enough is known about autism to say it's caused by any one or even a combo of things. I tend to lean towards a genetic predisposition mixed with environmental factors as the explanation I've given my son about his AS. We don't get hung up too much on why or how it happened,though that has it's place. I'm more concerned with how to live in a society that has a pretty hard heart when you're different. We like to talk about being inclusive of people with disabilities of all sorts,but in my family's experience,hoo boy is there a long,long way to go. Especially with people who are not immediately identifiable as having a neurological disorder like some of the less severe types of autism.

326 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:15:39am

re: #325 A Mom Anon

I think part of the issue is that the autism spectrum is not at all narrow. Asperger Syndrome has become more well known(when my son was little,AS was not even known as a diagnosis in the U.S. He was given a diagnosis of PDD-NOS at age 5,pervasive developmental disorder-not otherwise specified)and it's become,IMO overdiagnosed. We have a tendency to do that in this country and then things level out after we learn more.

Simply not enough is known about autism to say it's caused by any one or even a combo of things. I tend to lean towards a genetic predisposition mixed with environmental factors as the explanation I've given my son about his AS. We don't get hung up too much on why or how it happened,though that has it's place. I'm more concerned with how to live in a society that has a pretty hard heart when you're different. We like to talk about being inclusive of people with disabilities of all sorts,but in my family's experience,hoo boy is there a long,long way to go. Especially with people who are not immediately identifiable as having a neurological disorder like some of the less severe types of autism.

I agree. As much as we like to celebrate differences, the human group as a whole still shuns them.

I've always been the square peg so I get a little of it. I can certainly see how anyone diagnosed with any type of disorder that affects behavior would find it intolerable.

327 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:16:53am

re: #324 Expand Your Ground

My middle daughter is on a low-phosphate diet, which excludes egg yolks, milk and most processed food. For ADHD and general behavioral problems.

Don't know of the science or folk-experience on that one. (Nor to what degree ADHD is linked to autism--they are linked to some degree in the politics of statistical presentation.)

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:16:56am

Diet as Treatment used to be snake oil stuff because of lack of empirical evidence. I think we are seeing more and more that it isn't all that whacked.

329 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:19:15am

re: #328 ggt

Diet as Treatment used to be snake oil stuff because of lack of empirical evidence. I think we are seeing more and more that it isn't all that whacked.

Yup--We don't claim it's science. We claim we can switch a massive meltdown on within a short period, if we feel like more human experimentation.

330 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:20:26am

re: #329 Decatur Deb

Yup--We don't claim it's science. We claim we can switch a massive meltdown on within a short period, if we feel like more human experimentation.

I going more and more with the Chinese philosophy regarding a healthy gut. I big part of our immune system is in the intestines. Poops are important.

:)

331 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:21:26am

re: #327 Decatur Deb

Don't know of the science or folk-experience on that one. (Nor to what degree ADHD is linked to autism--they are linked to some degree in the politics of statistical presentation.)

my ex took her to a homeopath who put her on a phosphate-free diet and a bunch of homeopathic remedies.

332 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:21:44am

re: #330 ggt

I going more and more with the Chinese philosophy regarding a healthy gut. I big part of our immune system is in the intestines. poops are important.

:)

Phhfftt, Chinese. The Northern Italians know it's all in the liver (fegato).

333 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:23:36am

The rule of thumb used to be that you filed returns early if you were entitled to a refund. American Express says 64 percent of filers are in this category.

You were always told to wait until the last minute if you owed money to the government. That makes sense: let Washington wait for your dough.

Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]

334 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:24:02am

re: #331 Expand Your Ground

my ex took her to a homeopath who put her on a phosphate-free diet and a bunch of homeopathic remedies.

Reason enough to make them an 'ex'. We are experimental-friendly, but homeopathy is beyond our world.

335 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:24:21am

re: #333 Tommy's cone of shame

The rule of thumb used to be that you filed returns early if you were entitled to a refund. American Express says 64 percent of filers are in this category.

You were always told to wait until the last minute if you owed money to the government. That makes sense: let Washington wait for your dough.

Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]

Absotfruckinglutely!

336 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:25:43am

re: #334 Decatur Deb

Reason enough to make them an 'ex'. We are experimental-friendly, but homeopathy is beyond our world.

Dude, it's like you're not in harmony with the Universe, or something!

337 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:25:44am

re: #334 Decatur Deb

Reason enough to make them an 'ex'. We are experimental-friendly, but homeopathy is beyond our world.

Yeah, I have no use for it.

Just because a homeopathic practitioner has some practical advice on diet, doesn't validate homeopathy.

it's whacked.

338 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:29:46am

re: #337 ggt

Yeah, I have no use for it.

Just because a homeopathic practitioner has some practical advice on diet, doesn't validate homeopathy.

it's whacked.

The problem with diets is that we are able to function for a long while on almost anything non-toxic. The results in our GD case are so sharp that I don't scoff at her mother's non-mainstream approach.

341 freetoken  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:33:44am

re: #302 ggt

I don't know about inbreeding and mental illness or autism, per se. I do think the worst traits of any genetics are concentrated/compounded in those who keep breeding within a group generation after generation.

How does it work with plants --is it any different than with dogs?

Plants are very different than animals in some profound ways, not the least of which is that asexual propagation is not uncommon.

Dog breeding by humans have made them more like us. Funny that.

The more I delve into understanding genetics and genomics the more overwhelming it becomes, at least as far as trying to see the forest for the trees.

Yet, as I cautioned early, everything I've come across tells me that when looking at things like autism that one can't ascribe these phenomena to any one "gene" - life is far to complex of a set of chemical reactions for that to be the case.

In fact, recent findings suggest that humans often have inoperative genes of all kinds, yet still survive and thrive. It turns out that looking at ourselves as a whole organism, that we survive even as flawed genetic machines. Life is extremely resilient, and that DNA/RNA carries inherently billions of years of accumulated failures and successes.

Understanding our flawed nature has helped me realize why us vertebrates are so few, compared to the rest of the animals. And then that the animals are so few compared to the plants and fungi, who in turn are easily outnumbered in kind and sheer quantities by the bacteria and archaea.

342 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:34:35am

re: #337 ggt

Yeah, I have no use for it.

Just because a homeopathic practitioner has some practical advice on diet, doesn't validate homeopathy.

it's whacked.

The things is, sometimes it works. "Sometimes" being not only at rates better than random but for some practitioners works at rates comparable to standard medicine. Worth noting on that is the latter tends to be the ones who don't try to say it works for everything.

Frankly, after the lesson of licorice root and ulcers I make "does it work" the first test, not "should it work" or "this sounds stupid."

343 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:36:33am

re: #342 kirkspencer

The things is, sometimes it works. "Sometimes" being not only at rates better than random but for some practitioners works at rates comparable to standard medicine. Worth noting on that is the latter tends to be the ones who don't try to say it works for everything.

Frankly, after the lesson of licorice root and ulcers I make "does it work" the first test, not "should it work" or "this sounds stupid."

Placebo-effect and Self-Fulfilling Prophecy account for a lot!

Prayer works for some too!

The mind and the immune system are power enough on their own most of the time, if given the correct stimulus. Won't cure cancer, but will prevent it, in other words.

IMHO.

344 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:36:53am

re: #339 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Image: Okay,-not-technically-simultaneous,-but-impressive-nonetheless.png

Perhaps a frightening truth in that. Don't have time to discuss it, but I've thought that the mechanism of the sacrament of Penance (Confession, Reconciliation, etc.) has a psych-twisting effect on the priests. What happens to someone whose experience of sex is dominated entirely by recitations of Failure Mode?

345 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:37:15am

Morning Lizardim from the cold and breezy wild north country. We actually had snow (well, a mix of snow and rain) yesterday morning on my drive in to work. The apple crop is confirmed to have been largely destroyed from last week's frost, at least the early spring apples, with potential losses up to 80% for certain breeds. The derp, alas, clearly continues to flow unabated.

346 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:37:48am

re: #345 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the cold and breezy wild north country. We actually had snow (well, a mix of snow and rain) yesterday morning on my drive in to work. The apple crop is confirmed to have been largely destroyed from last week's frost, at least the early spring apples, with potential losses up to 80% for certain breeds. The derp, alas, clearly continues to flow unabated.

oooh, bad news.

poor apples.

347 freetoken  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:39:50am

This is a story that got lots of play around the net last week:


Study Says DNA’s Power to Predict Illness Is Limited

Now, that particularly NYT write-up got lots of criticism, and rightfully so, as in classic NYT fashion it seems to be "pushing the peanut".

Yet the point remains that our life is far too complicated to reduced to just a "gene" here or there.

348 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:40:21am

re: #345 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the cold and breezy wild north country. We actually had snow (well, a mix of snow and rain) yesterday morning on my drive in to work. The apple crop is confirmed to have been largely destroyed from last week's frost, at least the early spring apples, with potential losses up to 80% for certain breeds. The derp, alas, clearly continues to flow unabated.

OTOH, my personal pear crop has been all but destroyed by lack of chill hours this winter. Apples and pears want 'Goldilocks' conditions.

349 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:40:50am

re: #346 ggt

oooh, bad news.

poor apples.

Yeah, I'm sure the University must be throwing a hissy fit right now. Although on the other hand, they may be able to find a new hardy winter breed depending on what makes it through.

350 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:41:45am

re: #344 Decatur Deb

Could pedo cases be related?

351 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:42:09am

re: #348 Decatur Deb

OTOH, my personal pear crop has been all but destroyed by lack of chill hours this winter. Apples and pears want 'Goldilocks' conditions.

It's just a bad year to be in the fruit business. A warm winter and a snap freeze covers both ends of the spectrum pretty handily.

352 freetoken  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:44:54am

re: #348 Decatur Deb

You might have to switch to varieties like we have in SoCal, which require very low chill-hours.

353 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:45:07am

Cuppa and three were not enough.

going back to bed.

remember.

354 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:48:01am

re: #350 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Could pedo cases be related?

That's what got me there, via a general sense of confessor demoralization. It would be a total bitch to try to do the psychology of that world, though. Popular reaction often jumps on celibacy. I'm thinking that's only a vulnerability, and that listening for hours each week to grand and petty tales of human failure could be far more corrosive. I know the early years of the old seminary training weren't directed to making naifs into realists.

355 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 5:53:49am

re: #352 freetoken

You might have to switch to varieties like we have in SoCal, which require very low chill-hours.

Heh..I'm on my last trees. We are just used to getting a good crop every decade or so. Last year the fruit required propping the branches, this year I'll get a dozen pears or so. (The experiment of wrapping the tiny pears in paper bags was definitely worth it--won't be needing many bags this year.)

356 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:03:33am

Dog says it is well into morning--BBL.

357 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:06:00am

re: #343 ggt

Placebo-effect and Self-Fulfilling Prophecy account for a lot!

Prayer works for some too!

The mind and the immune system are power enough on their own most of the time, if given the correct stimulus. Won't cure cancer, but will prevent it, in other words.

IMHO.

So how do you know if the medicine the doctor is giving you is working because of the medicine or because of placebo effect and self-fulfilling prophecy?

Answer, you run blind tests. Lots of blind tests. And you try to figure out why the medicine works.

When I said that sometimes homeopathic medicine works, I meant it in the same way. There have been some interesting small-scale studies that beg for money to see if the results replicate at larger scale.

I use licorice root. Prior to 1982, the causes of stomach ulcers were "known" to be primarily due to stress and 'excess' stomach acid. In the 1970s Marshall and Warren figured out it was actually bacteria, they got their studies finally accepted in the journals in 1982, and they were ridiculed for about a decade after that.

For centuries a folk medicine for stomach ulcers was to chew some licorice root till it was soft then swallow the pulp, doing this every time the stomach twinged. It worked, but "real" scientists and doctors scoffed that it was placebo effect; self-fulfilling prophecy, a mechanism that allowed the mind (or god) to act via the patient's faith.

It turns out (in studies by the Germans of herbal medicine) that licorice has antibacterial properties, and that the compounds formed with licorice and saliva are somewhat better antibacterials, and these are effective against Helicobater Pyrolidis - the stomach ulcer bug. Of course, the critical element varied in concentration between roots, how much people chewed varied, and not all ulcers are due to h. pyrolidis, so it didn't ALWAYS work, and so the doctors and scientists could scoff.

I'm going to repeat myself. The test is "does it work", not "does it make sense." Homeopathic medicine works for some things at rates comparable to (and anecdotally at rates better than) standard medicine. Let me emphasize SOME things. Take it with skepticism, sure, but don't define skepticism as refusal to believe.

358 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:13:07am

Good morning lizards!

They are building a Trader Joe's here and I went to the website to see their steaks. I couldn't find any.

359 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:25:09am

re: #356 Decatur Deb

Dog says it is well into morning--BBL.

Durned smart dog you have. Although it is illiterate, it talks and has his own agenda!

360 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:27:17am

re: #359 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Durned smart dog you have. Although it is illiterate, it talks and has his own agenda!

It's not THAT smart

It knows it's morning, but no clue as to what hour

361 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:28:06am

Good Morning all,

Just feeling a bit frustrated today. I've been living in Madison Wi since 1993. It's a nice enough city in many ways but it's going through some pretty major growing pains that are exacerbated by the financial problems of the last few years. The mayor, in his third time being elected is doing a Republican Drone impression and had decided Occupy Madison WILL be shutdown at the end of the month no matter what the city council says. Once upon a time he was a radical lefty so I think all the old hippies thought he still was when the voted him in. Oops! The local wingnuts are all crowing about how age=wisdom. :rolleyes: when they screamed hate all through the election.

Our house has been foreclosed - the sheriffs sale will be June 6, we have to be out on June 17 - and the rest of the neighborhood isn't doing a whole lot better. Vacant houses and absent landlords.

Over the past three weeks, there have been 4 shooting incidents within a mile of our house. One known wounded & he was a bystander. But it's enough to make me happy to be moving up to Hayward Wi in June. Feels a bit like we're running away, but I want my son raised in a safer environment than we currently have here. My wife and I both grew up in a smaller town and we're looking forward to living in one that's smaller still. It's a Blue county, unlike many rural areas, so at least we won't feel totally out of sync.

Just needed to rant a bit. Thanks for listening.

362 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:28:42am

re: #360 sattv4u2

It's not THAT smart

It knows it's morning, but no clue as to what hour

Well, neither do I!

363 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:29:17am

re: #361 William Barnett-Lewis

Sorry to hear about the foreclosure, that sucks. It seems you at least have a place to go, though, so that's good news.

364 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:30:57am

re: #361 William Barnett-Lewis

Sorry to hear that. Best of luck in your new surroundings!

365 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:32:05am

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

The first Gallup poll of the general election campaign shows Mitt Romney edging out President Obama, a close result that both parties expect will be the case through much of the next seven months.

The former Massachusetts governor, emerging from a difficult and longer-than-expected Republican nomination battle, has the support of 47% of registered voters nationwide, while the president has the support of 45%. Two percent of voters said they supported another candidate, while 7% were undecided.

366 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:37:39am

re: #358 NJDhockeyfan

They might not have that info up, but here's some calorie/nutrition content info on some of the steak products they carry.

I can't speak to quality of the beef products they carry though. Opinion seems to be mixed.

If you're a beer or wine drinker (or need 'em for gifts), knowing whether they'll be selling beer or wine at the new location might come in handy. They carry a pretty nice selection of wine at those locations that stock wine/beer, and are quite reasonably priced too.

367 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:38:14am

re: #361 William Barnett-Lewis

Sorry to hear that, and here's hoping that the fresh start makes a real difference in peace of mind (which counts for a whole lot IMO).

368 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:41:47am

re: #365 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

From the same article:

Gallup editor-in-chief Frank Newport said the horse-race numbers this early in the election year have not always been a reliable indicator of the final outcome. In 1992, George H.W. Bush led Bill Clinton by double-digits. Jimmy Carter led Ronald Reagan by 8 percentage points at a similar stage in 1980.

But historically, polling below 50% in the first trial heat has been an ominous indicator for incumbent presidents. Obama's approval rating in the latest daily tracking poll is 45%.

There's way too much time for things to change drastically - world events, economics, scandals, etc. could come into play (along with the ominous October, Surprise!)....

Somehow, I think the GOP will find a way to make Nugent's insane comments look downright Churchillian by the time the election rolls up.

369 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:43:18am

re: #366 lawhawk

They might not have that info up, but here's some calorie/nutrition content info on some of the steak products they carry.

I can't speak to quality of the beef products they carry though. Opinion seems to be mixed.

If you're a beer or wine drinker (or need 'em for gifts), knowing whether they'll be selling beer or wine at the new location might come in handy. They carry a pretty nice selection of wine at those locations that stock wine/beer, and are quite reasonably priced too.

We have a Whole Foods store here and the steaks are jaw dropping. They also have a beer/wine bar inside. I never seen a bar in a grocery store before.

370 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:47:48am

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan

We have a Whole Foods store here and the steaks are jaw dropping. They also have a beer/wine bar inside. I never seen a bar in a grocery store before.

You'll like Trader Joe's. Whole Foods is absurdly expensive. Trader Joe's is good quality stuff but much more affordable.

371 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:49:51am

re: #370 Killgore Trout

You'll like Trader Joe's. Whole Foods is absurdly expensive. Trader Joe's is good quality stuff but much more affordable.

You just have to check the labels to make sure the Californinny Liberal amounts are low enough for your conservative diet.
///

372 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:50:15am

Trader Joe's is selling Organic Maple Sugar. Maple syrup and maple sugar are made from boiled down sap taken out of maple trees. What makes this maple sugar any different than other maple sugar besides a fancy title and the price?

373 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:50:32am

re: #361 William Barnett-Lewis

Good luck

374 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:51:32am

re: #365 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Among the independent voters that will ultimately decide the race, Romney has a six-point lead, 45% to 39%, with 12% undecided.

375 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:53:25am

Oh ,, and by the way

Tim Geithner,, just a friendly reminder,, today is the deadline for paying taxes !!

:)

/

376 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:53:49am

The plane carrying the space shuttle flew over my house.
Made my day.

377 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:54:00am

re: #370 Killgore Trout

You'll like Trader Joe's. Whole Foods is absurdly expensive. Trader Joe's is good quality stuff but much more affordable.

That's great. I am looking forward to visiting the store when it opens. Finding a decent steak around here is virtually impossible. We have no butchers down here so we are stuck with whatever the grocery stores have on the shelf.

378 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:54:42am

re: #376 Varek Raith

The plane carrying the space shuttle flew over my house.
Made my day.

Awesome! Get a picture?

379 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:55:07am

re: #376 Varek Raith

The plane carrying the space shuttle flew over my house.
Made my day.

I'm surprised you didn't try to attack it

380 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:58:12am

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

Awesome! Get a picture?

Nope.
Not enough time.
I only saw it because I saw the neighbors in the street pointing in the sky.
Went out and saw it.

381 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:59:20am

re: #380 Varek Raith

Nope.
Not enough time.
I only saw it because I saw the neighbors in the street pointing in the sky.
Went out and saw it.

Last week I saw an AWACS plane fly over my office building.

382 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:00:46am

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

Last week I saw an AWACS plane fly over my office building.

Did your teeth pick up anything???

383 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:02:25am

re: #382 Varek Raith

Did your teeooth pick up anything???

He's a hillbilly!

384 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:06:30am

re: #382 Varek Raith

Did your teeth pick up anything???

No, I had on my tin foil hat.

385 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:12:58am

Douchebag interviews terrorist leader...

Assange premiers new TV program with Nasrallah interview

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange premiered his new television show on Tuesday with an exclusive interview with the outspoken but largely elusive Sayyid Hassan Nasrallah, Lebanese Hezbollah's secretary-general.

During the interview - which was Assange's first for his new program on the Kremlin-funded English-language Russia Television, The World Tomorrow - the Hezbollah leader reiterated his group's support for the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad, despite strong international objection to the Syrian president's violent handling of the anti-government opposition.

Hezbollah “hasn't backed down in the face of Israeli and American pressure," Nasrallah told Assange, who kept Nasrallah's identity secret until the interview was broadcast.

As part of this support, Hezbollah, which calls itself a resistance group in the face of Israeli and US aggression, had encouraged armed rebels to engage in a dialogue with Damascus, an offer that the opposition refused.

386 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:15:06am

Surge in Obesity Sparks Crematorium Blazes
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

The crematorium employee in the western German town of Hamelin took a last look at the coffin before pushing it inside the furnace. This was the third coffin he had processed on the morning of January 13, and the body itself weighed over 200 kilograms (440 pounds). Of that, only two kilograms of ashes were supposed to remain after cremation. But, 15 minutes later, flames shot out of the crematorium's 10-meter-high (33-foot-high) stainless-steel chimney, and parts of it began to melt.

Unable to bring the fire under control, the employee called the fire department. Firemen determined that the smoking chimney was glowing at 600 degrees Celsius (1,100 degrees Fahrenheit). They cooled it from the side and used an infrared camera to track the spread of heat through the building. It took four hours to reduce the body in the furnace to ash.

So much for "the higher the fat content the better it tastes"...

387 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:30:14am

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

Douchebag interviews terrorist leader...

Assange premiers new TV program with Nasrallah interview

What a dick.

388 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:32:21am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

What a dick.

Who is the dick and who is the asshole?

389 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:32:24am

Afghan schoolgirls poisoned in anti-education attack

About 150 Afghan schoolgirls were poisoned on Tuesday after drinking contaminated water at a high school in the country's north, officials said, blaming it on conservative radicals opposed to female education.

*sigh*

390 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:32:40am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

What a dick.

Dick? I thought his name was Julian!?!?

391 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:39:38am

re: #330 ggt

I going more and more with the Chinese philosophy regarding a healthy gut. I big part of our immune system is in the intestines. Poops are important.

:)

Upding for giving poop its props!

392 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:43:22am

re: #388 Learned Mother of Zion

Who is the dick and who is the asshole?

yes

393 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:45:06am

Italian ex-PM Silvio Berlusconi 'hosted nun strippers'

A witness at the trial of Silvio Berlusconi has said strippers dressed as nuns performed for the former Italian prime minister at a party.

Model Imane Fadil said she had been given 2,000 euros (£1,650; $2,614) by Mr Berlusconi the first time she attended a "bunga bunga" party.

She was one of several women who arrived at a Milan courthouse on Monday to testify in Mr Berlusconi's trial.

He is accused of paying for sex with an underage nightclub dancer.

The woman, Moroccan-born Karima el-Mahroug, was 17 when she allegedly had sex with the prime minister.

He is also accused of abusing his powers by getting police to release Ms Mahroug - better known by her stage name Ruby The Heart Stealer - from jail when she was arrested for stealing.

394 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:48:27am

Edwards’ ‘cut’ rate

CHAPEL HILL, NC — Oh, how the mighty ’do has fallen!

Disgraced former senator and presidential candidate John Edwards, reviled for his costy coifs on the campaign trail, now places his strands in the hands of the pros at Supercuts.

Edwards, who in his political heydey went to stylist Joseph Torrenueva, whose Beverly Hills salon charges $300 to $500 per cut, now goes to Supercuts in Raleigh, NC, for a $12.95 job, employees say.

“We just talked about his hair,” said a hairdresser named Leah, who recognized Edwards from a photo.

Haircuts are free in federal prison, where Edwards, 58, could spend up to the next 30 years if he is found guilty of violating campaign-finance laws.

Actually I think his Supercuts haircut looks better than the one for $500.

395 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:50:00am

re: #393 NJDhockeyfan

A witness at the trial of Silvio Berlusconi has said strippers dressed as nuns performed for the former Italian prime minister at a party.

It would have been cooler to have nuns dressed as strippers.

396 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:58:38am

re: #395 Killgore Trout

See 5:25

Will you convert? No no no no...
Will you confess? No no no no...

397 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:59:09am

re: #347 freetoken

This is a story that got lots of play around the net last week:

Study Says DNA’s Power to Predict Illness Is Limited

Now, that particularly NYT write-up got lots of criticism, and rightfully so, as in classic NYT fashion it seems to be "pushing the peanut".

Yet the point remains that our life is far too complicated to reduced to just a "gene" here or there.

Right, and as you mentioned before, there are a lot of "rogue" or "junk" (as they used to be called) pieces of genes that are present that may/may not become activated in any individual. One person could have the exact same "junk" pieces that never gets activated to produce their proteins, and someone else (in the family) could have the exact same "junk" that gets activated and expresses some protein that has negative outcomes for their physical/mental development. Scientific American has been reporting on this for a couple years now since the discovery of these interactions of the "junk" pieces that they ignored just a few short years ago.

398 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:59:18am

Well this is embarrassing for the Secret Service...

Exclusive: Secret Service Bragged About Protecting Obama While Partying At Colombian Brothel

CARTAGENA, Colombia — ABC News has learned exclusively that the Secret Service officials accused of misconduct in Colombia revealed their identities by boasting at a Cartagena brothel that they worked for President Obama.

Partying at the “Pley Club” Wednesday night, eleven members of the president’s advance team allegedly bragged “we work for Obama” and “we’re here to protect him.”

The officials spent the night throwing back expensive whiskey and enlisting the services of the club’s prostitutes, according to a bouncer at the club and a police source.

Sources tell ABC News several of the men agreed to pay for, and received, services from the “highest category” prostitutes available at the club, who charge upwards of $200.

399 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:12:00am

Saw it again just before it landed.
Ah, the one advantage of living near Dulles.
:)

400 Lidane  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:13:04am

Via Balloon Juice:

Commenter Captain Howdy sent in a gem of a blog post from a Republican candidate for Congress who is incensed that “Ron Paul Libertarians” have taken over her local nominating convention and won’t allow prayers or the Pledge of Allegiance.

Here's the blog post he's talking about:

Republican 5th Congressional District Convention, April 2012

The whole thing is worth a read. It's a hoot.

401 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:13:53am

re: #399 Varek Raith

Saw it again just before it landed.
Ah, the one advantage of living near Dulles.
:)

I remember seeing a C-5a or two on approach to Andrews back in the late 80s and wondering how something that large stayed up in the air when going that slow (relatively) - distance does play tricks.

402 Joanne  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:16:22am

I have a question about the Pages change. I'm almost always on an iPhone or iPad (one of the reasons I rarely participate in main page comments, it's too hard to post comments and continue reading where I left off on a device.) I read Pages religiously daily and expand the Featured and Recent sections until I've caught up to where I last left off. I love getting news in one place that I might have to spend hours floating around the Internet to see. This is a great resource!

How will this change function where there is no hover option?

403 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:21:32am

Liberals to Ann Romney: Happy Birthday, bitch. Hope you die.

After GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney wished his wife Ann a happy birthday on Twitter this morning, liberals quickly responded with the new tone-y vitriol we’ve come to expect. They also attacked Mrs. Romney for saying, “It was my early birthday present for someone to be critical of me as a mother.”

404 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:24:02am

Hi-larious response to Gus from one of the Occidental Dissent chimps. To quote the least offensive part:

Fr. John+ says:
April 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm

“Gus@Gus_802@occdissent Fascinating. I already read your page. Homophobia. Racism. Antisemitism. Low IQ. Anything else?

How about your own Christophobia, Caucaphobia, and cock-sucking worship of the Christ-killers? Talk to me, who holds a Doctorate, and speaks three foreign languages, about ‘low IQ.’ You Behemah.

Oooh, look at me, I have a doctorate!!! Means I'm smart and all!/

405 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:25:06am
406 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:26:43am

re: #404 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Talk to me, who holds a Doctorate, and speaks three foreign languages, about ‘low IQ.’ You Behemah.

Ooh, a Jew hater who knows how to say "beast" in Hebrew! Show off.

407 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:27:07am

re: #404 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Hi-larious response to Gus from one of the Occidental Dissent chimps. To quote the least offensive part:

Oooh, look at me, I have a doctorate!!! Means I'm smart and all!/

Those righties are really a class act, no?

408 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:29:19am

NASTY LIBRULS

409 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:31:14am

re: #405 Killgore Trout

Classy.
/

Outrage!
/

410 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:31:45am

I wonder how many of these nasty vitriolic libruls are contributors to/editors of respected and widely-read publications in their political milieu.

I'm starting the over-under at zero.

411 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:32:15am

re: #409 NJDhockeyfan

Outrage!
/

False flag planted comments! No true liberal!

412 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:33:29am

Seven more months of this.... argh....

413 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:33:40am

Serious political movement is serious
One of the Most Stupid Action of Ever ..or Not? :-) Dan We Love You! (OWS)


NSFW (nudity)
414 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:34:12am

Random liberals being assholes?
Outrage!

The National Review employing 3 white nationalists?
Meh.

415 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:35:09am

Perhaps this has been mentioned, but the pages hover feature needs a tweak.

The popup appears under any video visible in the window, and it may be truncated at the top or bottom of the screen.

416 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:36:12am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Serious political movement is serious

Only those political movements that advocate declaring war on fabricated evidence, pressure their legal advisors to acquiesce to illegal action, and pretend that they can reduce government deficits by decreasing revenues can be truly called "serious".

417 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:36:47am

re: #403 NJDhockeyfan

Downdinged for posting false information. The very first tweet mentioned in that post is not from a liberal account, as is obvious from its history. Ergo the rest of the article lacks credibility.

Why do conservatives lie and don't factcheck?

418 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:37:12am

re: #416 iossarian

Only those political movements that advocate declaring war on fabricated evidence, pressure their legal advisors to acquiesce to illegal action, and pretend that they can reduce government deficits by decreasing revenues can be truly called "serious".

Or threatening civil war over 3% tax hike.
Lol.

419 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:37:48am

re: #414 Varek Raith

Random liberals being assholes?
Outrage!

The National Review employing 3 white nationalists?
Meh.

I'm sure we'll have plenty of threads on the National review and conservative web comments today. I don't see anybody here complaining about that.

420 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:38:55am

re: #418 Varek Raith

Or threatening civil war over 3% tax hike.
Lol.

The GOP is "serious" in the same way that one might ask one's doctor: "is it serious?"

421 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:39:07am

re: #400 Lidane

Via Balloon Juice:

Here's the blog post he's talking about:

Republican 5th Congressional District Convention, April 2012

The whole thing is worth a read. It's a hoot.

"This is your Republican Party folks. Do nothing at your peril."

Too late. Damage done. Move along, folks, nothing to see here...

422 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:39:30am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

I'm sure we'll have plenty of threads on the National review and conservative web comments today. I don't see anybody here complaining about that.

Who cares!?
I saw the shuttle fly over my house!

423 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:39:37am

re: #372 NJDhockeyfan

Trader Joe's is selling Organic Maple Sugar. Maple syrup and maple sugar are made from boiled down sap taken out of maple trees. What makes this maple sugar any different than other maple sugar besides a fancy title and the price?

Elves tapped the trees.

424 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:39:47am

re: #417 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Downdinged for posting false information. The very first tweet mentioned in that post is not from a liberal account, as is obvious from its history. Ergo the rest of the article lacks credibility.

Why do conservatives lie and don't factcheck?

You could be right. Only conservatives would post tweets like that. Liberals could never do something even remotely close to it.
/

425 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:40:38am

Yes, I'm giddy.
:P

426 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:40:41am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

I'm sure we'll have plenty of threads on the National review and conservative web comments today. I don't see anybody here complaining about that.

Do both sides have objectionable lunatics? Yes.

Does one side have a monopoly on the lunatics who are also central figures in setting party policy, providing editorial comment and generally steering the movement? Yes. Despite MBF's pleas to the contrary.

427 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:40:44am

re: #424 NJDhockeyfan

You could be right. Only conservatives would post tweets like that. Liberals could never do something even remotely close to it.
/

So, why did you post the obvious misinformation?

428 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:41:52am

re: #425 Varek Raith

Yes, I'm giddy.
:P

We were stuck in a lecture and missed it. Our consolation prize is that an MV-22 just landed in the field next to us for a SpecOps demo today.

429 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:43:52am

re: #427 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

So, why did you post the obvious misinformation?

I'm not seeing any misinformation. The tweets speak for themselves.

430 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:44:08am

re: #427 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

So you think the guy who posted this isn't a liberal?

Pill Clinton ‏ @Pig_Newton Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Hey dick @RickSantorum I hear your daughter's in the hospital from guzzling too much Santorum; Imagine being uninsured you prick.

431 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:44:26am

re: #400 Lidane

Via Balloon Juice:

Here's the blog post he's talking about:

Republican 5th Congressional District Convention, April 2012

The whole thing is worth a read. It's a hoot.

Too bad, Republicans. Hows that saying go? Oh yeah, good old King James Version "for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

Reap that Teabagger whirlwind folks.

432 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:44:43am

re: #429 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not seeing any misinformation. The tweets speak for themselves.

Don't let the derp storm get to you.

433 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:44:57am

re: #429 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not seeing any misinformation. The tweets speak for themselves.

Since I have already pointed out that the very first and most objectionable tweet does not come from a liberal account, I can only conclude that you're simply lying right now.

434 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:45:03am

Lolx5.

435 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:45:25am

re: #426 iossarian

Do both sides have objectionable lunatics? Yes.

Does one side have a monopoly on the lunatics who are also central figures in setting party policy, providing editorial comment and generally steering the movement? Yes. Despite MBF's pleas to the contrary.

I'm not sure you understand the word monopoly.

436 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:45:45am

re: #432 Killgore Trout

Don't let the derp storm get to you.

Thanks for showing your lack of intellectual honesty once again.

437 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:46:05am

Random asshole on twitter.

The NR employing 3 white nationalists.

One of these things is not like the other.

438 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:46:19am

re: #430 Killgore Trout

So you think the guy who posted this isn't a liberal?

I think he's the editor of a major liberal publication, actually. Probably the Guardian.

After all, EVERYTHING BAD MY SIDE DOES IS JUST WHAT THE OTHER SIDE IS DOING.

439 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:46:45am

Or should I post crap from FR as an MBF?

440 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:48:12am

re: #437 Varek Raith

Random asshole on twitter.

The NR employing 3 white nationalists.

One of these things is not like the other.

Seriously, you can smell the desperation.

PLEASE STOP FINDING THESE OBVIOUS RACISTS IN OUR NEWSROOM STAFF

441 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:48:37am

re: #430 Killgore Trout

So you think the guy who posted this isn't a liberal?

No, I'm saying this is not a liberal account, as becomes obvious if you read the rest of its history. I have no idea about the political views of its owner, but the account itself does not show any liberal views. It shows purely inflammatory trollish views on whatever topic du jour, from redsox to anything else.

442 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:49:45am

re: #435 Darth Vader Gargoyle

I'm not sure you understand the word monopoly.

?

Who are the lunatic liberals who both a) have a major role in guiding the political positions of many Democratic voters and b) openly call for the murder and oppression of minority groups / political opponents?

444 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:50:04am

re: #433 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Since I have already pointed out that the very first and most objectionable tweet does not come from a liberal account, I can only conclude that you're simply lying right now.

What about these?

Todd H. Holsopple@TheActualTodd
You know, the words "disingenuous fucks" & "Ann & Mitt Romney" just seem to go hand in hand thinkprogress.org/special/2012/0… #p2 #tcot #teaparty

David Scott@Artistscott
YES... SHE IS A GOP WHORE FOR HER PIMP HUSBAND.... WHO IS A PIMP FOR THE GOP...GOP="GREEDY ONE PERCENT". huff.to/IeLf2G

Quakers perhaps?

445 Lidane  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:51:18am

re: #443 Varek Raith

But! Some liberal on twitter is being an asshole!

Clearly the random asshole on Twitter is more important. Haven't you been paying attention?

We must show that both sides are equally bad! Eleventy!

///

446 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:51:21am

re: #442 iossarian

?

Who are the lunatic liberals who both a) have a major role in guiding the political positions of many Democratic voters and b) openly call for the murder and oppression of minority groups / political opponents?

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson jump immediately to mind.

447 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:52:09am

re: #444 NJDhockeyfan

What about these?

Quakers perhaps?

Sorry, the bar for objectionable content has now been set at calling for the murder of your political opponents.

"Pimp" and "disingenuous fucks" are soooo 19th century. You cad.

448 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:52:18am

Anybody who believed even for a second that this is a "liberal account" are fucking morons.

449 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:52:30am

re: #400 Lidane

Via Balloon Juice:

Here's the blog post he's talking about:

Republican 5th Congressional District Convention, April 2012

The whole thing is worth a read. It's a hoot.

I love how she rags on wearing flag clothing! Hello Tea Party rallies!

450 Lidane  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:52:33am

re: #446 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Links and proof or it didn't happen.

Also, I'd like to know what political office Sharpton and Jackson currently hold which allows them to shape policy and the views of the electorate.

451 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:52:58am

re: #421 Expand Your Ground

"This is your Republican Party folks. Do nothing at your peril."

Too late. Damage done. Move along, folks, nothing to see here...

Damage to my retinas, too, from reading the red-backgrounded page.

452 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:53:06am

Twitchy? LOL

453 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:53:24am

re: #452 Gus

Twitchy? LOL

COFFEE

454 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:53:54am

re: #446 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson jump immediately to mind.

ROFL

455 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:54:10am

re: #450 Lidane

Links and proof or it didn't happen.

Also, I'd like to know what political office Sharpton and Jackson currently hold which allows them to shape policy and the views of the electorate.

Rush doesn't hold political office. Google it yourself.

456 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:54:19am

re: #453 Varek Raith

COFFEE

That's a Michelle "Internment Camps" Malkin venture.

457 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:54:19am

re: #403 NJDhockeyfan

Liberals to Ann Romney: Happy Birthday, bitch. Hope you die.

First, your source is Twitchy, Michelle Malkin's right wing fake news site. Malkin is a major contributor to VDARE, and she's a close friend of white nationalist Peter Brimelow, VDARE's founder. Think that might indicate a source that's questionable?

Second, they present absolutely no evidence that those random tweets come from "liberals."

Third, even if they are from "liberals," the level of nastiness in those tweets, as bad as it is, does not even come close to the comments posted every day at right wing sites ... like Michelle Malkin's Twitchy.com.

458 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:55:11am

re: #456 Gus

That's a Michelle "Internment Camps" Malkin venture.

Oh.
I did not know that.
Interesting.

459 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:55:25am

Al Sharpton!

Mean potty-mouthed libruls!

LEAVE OUR RACIST NEWS EDITORS ALONE!

460 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:55:40am

re: #455 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Rush doesn't hold political office.

He advises people who do, on policies that affect you.

461 Lidane  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:55:50am

re: #454 iossarian

Seriously.

Sharpton and Jackson haven't been relevant in the Democratic party since 1992. Clinton marginalized both of them during his campaign and they've both faded into the background since.

462 AK-47%  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:56:08am

Point is, they have to milk the Ann Romney victimhood thing for all it's worth, after all, is this not a "Liberal War on Women" we are witnessing here?

463 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:56:19am

re: #460 Interesting Times

He advises people who do, on policies that effect you.

Exactly my point.

464 Lidane  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:56:28am

re: #455 Darth Vader Gargoyle

LOL! That's the best you can do? Pathetic.

465 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:57:01am

Another day at LGF, another conservative fail.

466 iossarian  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:57:08am

I have to go now, but I'll take this little gem of a thread and treasure it. Thanks for the memories!

One more AL SHARPTON!!! for old times' sake.

Hee hee.

467 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:57:45am

re: #463 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Exactly my point.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Boehner consulted Limbaugh on the debt deal. Ergo, Limbaugh has a direct influence on GOP policy. The examples you gave are in no way the Dem equivalent, at all, by any stretch of the imagination.

468 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:57:53am

re: #432 Killgore Trout

Don't let the derp storm get to you.

That's funny. I just got up and the only derp I'm seeing is from... Well, I'm sure you can finish that sentence.

469 Lidane  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:58:45am

re: #457 Charles Johnson

First, your source is Twitchy, Michelle Malkin's right wing fake news site. Malkin is a major contributor to VDARE, and she's a close friend of white nationalist Peter Brimelow, VDARE's founder.

She's also written books justifying internment. That ALONE makes her a pathetic figure that no one should take seriously.

Citing her fake news site as a source of "liberal" tweets is just sad. Total fail.

470 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:58:58am

re: #468 Gus

That's funny. I just got up and the only derp I'm seeing is from... Well, I'm sure you can finish that sentence.

And note how they're so condescending, talking to each other over us proles, just like... ohwait nevermind. //

471 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:59:38am

re: #457 Charles Johnson

First, your source is Twitchy, Michelle Malkin's right wing fake news site. Malkin is a major contributor to VDARE, and she's a close friend of white nationalist Peter Brimelow, VDARE's founder. Think that might indicate a source that's questionable?

Second, they present absolutely no evidence that those random tweets come from "liberals."

Third, even if they are from "liberals," the level of nastiness in those tweets, as bad as it is, does not even come close to the comments posted every day at right wing sites ... like Michelle Malkin's Twitchy.com.

I didn't know Twitchy was a Michelle Malkin website. I thought it was a Twitter website. That being said, those tweets are disgusting. If liberals aren't posting them, who is?

472 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:59:59am

re: #470 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

And note how they're so condescending, talking to each other over us proles, just like... ohwait nevermind. //

Eviscerate the proletariat!
/

473 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:01:57am

re: #462 Expand Your Ground

Point is, they have to milk the Ann Romney victimhood thing for all it's worth, after all, is this not a "Liberal War on Women" we are witnessing here?

Lipstick on a pig redeux. Anyone want to mbf the Hillary nut crackers I saw for sale in an AIRPORT ? Babies.

474 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:02:26am

re: #471 NJDhockeyfan

I didn't know Twitchy was a Michelle Malkin website. I thought it was a Twitter website. That being said, those tweets are disgusting. If liberals aren't posting them, who is?

Have you ever heard of trolls? Sergey just posted a comment showing you that at least one of those tweets is from a pure troll, who constantly posts offensive stuff on all kinds of topics.

Sure, there are liberals who are rude and offensive. I don't recall ever denying that. But this attempt at Magical Balance Fairytales is lame.

475 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:05:46am

So, to sum it up. Twitchy found some salty language tweets (which are not criminal, although some are distasteful). Coupled those with a headliner tweet from a non-liberal twitter troll-account that wished death to Ann Romney and accused liberals of wishing death to Ann Romney.

I'm pretty sure apologies will be forthcoming from everyone who has spread this misinformation starting right this second.///

476 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:06:46am

Here's how Michelle Malkin's conservative readers responded to the story of the soldier who committed mass murder in Iraq; from this post: Fox News Commenters React to Afghan Killings: 'A Dead Muslim Is a Good Muslim'

Good. More, please.

[…]

I don’t think he was unbalanced. I think he was getting some payback. It’s nice to see someone on our side who actually wants to hurt the enemy.

[…]

Forget apologies; Pardon that soldier…

Sorry, but the rude comments about Ann Romney are not even in the same ballpark. These people are cheering for mass murder and war crimes.

477 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:08:01am

One of those quoted:

478 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:12:42am

re: #477 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

One of those quoted:

Team? Oh great. More Breitbots. The wingnut-cult. I've come across these freaks before on Twitter. They're a rather strange lot.

479 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:13:56am

re: #478 Gus

The Breitborg?

480 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:15:45am

re: #479 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

The Breitborg?

War! ;)

481 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:16:40am

re: #480 Gus

(Psst: strictly speaking, Buck is correct that the quote has been mangled; though you probably dinged him for something else ;) Just heads up, anyway.)

482 Gus  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:17:38am

re: #481 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

(Psst: strictly speaking, Buck is correct that the quote has been mangled; though you probably dinged him for something else ;) Just heads up, anyway.)

OK. Fixed.

483 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:25:15am

re: #444 NJDhockeyfan

What about these?

Quakers perhaps?

Lone wolf. Or is the right the only ones allowed to use that excuse (35 times over)?

484 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:32:42am

re: #471 NJDhockeyfan

I didn't know Twitchy was a Michelle Malkin website. I thought it was a Twitter website. That being said, those tweets are disgusting. If liberals aren't posting them, who is?

Someone that sports a woody every time it gets re-tweeted/discussed on the Net? Those kind have been around since the Net was knee high to a vacuum tube.

485 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:41:51am

Coming back to that post at Twitchy.com, it couldn't be more obvious that people like Malkin and the mini-Breitbarts and other right wingers are feeling the burn from our posts about the massive deluge of open racism at so many RW sites.

The bottom line is that it's pretty easy to find posts on Twitter bashing anyone and everything, and plenty of tweets that are disgusting. But you usually don't know anything about the person behind those tweets; there are tens of millions of people on Twitter, and plenty of good old-fashioned trolls.

On sites like Breitbart.com and Fox Nation, however, the commenters are responding directly to the content of the site and having conversations with other commenters, and in most cases it's very clear that these are conservatives, or right wingers, or whichever label you want.

Picking out random offensive tweets and claiming they're from "liberals" just because they're saying mean things about Ann Romney is just deceptive, and clearly an attempt to take some of the focus away from the out of control extremism at many right wing websites.

Almost as lame as the "planted comments" excuse.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh