GOP: passing laws mandating invasive pre-abortion procedures, opposition to birth control, Planned Parenthood and family planning in general, gutting laws on domestic abuse.

Democrats: saying nasty things about Ann Romney.

re: #1 Expand Your Ground

Also: It's actual elected GOP officials doing the former. And random pundits doing the latter.

Happy Equal Pay Day!

April 17 is “Equal Pay Day,” because an American woman would have to work from the first of the year until April 17 to match the earning of the average American man. This three-and-a-half months of additional labor represents the 77 cents that women earn per dollar that men earn.

re: #1 Expand Your Ground

GOP: passing laws mandating invasive pre-abortion procedures, opposition to birth control, Planned Parenthood and family planning in general, gutting laws on domestic abuse.

Democrats: saying nasty things about Ann Romney.

You forgot GOP saying very very nasty things about Michelle Obama.

Related:

POLL: Among women 18-29, Obama leads Romney 70-25 thkpr.gs/HVBWEm

— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) April 17, 2012

re: #5 Interesting Times

Related:

Romneybot OS is experiencing a cascade memory buffer overflow in politicalcareer.dll

Forbes author Gloria Feldt takes on the latest bit of anti-feminist douchebaggery from Katie Roiphe:

Will Equal Pay Make You Submissive in Bed?

re: #6 Kragar

Romneybot OS is experiencing a cascade memory buffer overflow in politicalcareer.dll

Error: Division by zero.

re: #6 Kragar

Romneybot OS is experiencing a cascade memory buffer overflow in politicalcareer.dll

(Demographic) Segmentation Fault

Romney campaign denounces Nugent.... no, not really.

“Divisive language is offensive no matter what side of the political aisle it comes from,” said Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul. “Mitt Romney believes everyone needs to be civil.”

Weasel.

re: #7 Lidane

Forbes author Gloria Feldt takes on the latest bit of anti-feminist douchebaggery from Katie Roiphe:

Will Equal Pay Make You Submissive in Bed?

Katie Roiphe, like Molly Jong Fast, rebelling against Mommy while taking advantage of Mommy's creds in the literary industry to get their crap published.

re: #10 makeitstop

Romney campaign denounces Nugent... no, not really.

Related:

Mitt Romney has requested an extension on saying anything brave until his second term.

— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) April 17, 2012

re: #10 makeitstop

Romney campaign denounces Nugent... no, not really.

Weasel.

So their response to Ted Nugent advocating violence is to play the Magical Balance Fairy and say that everyone needs to be civil.

Pathetic.

re: #5 Interesting Times

Related:

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That's nice.

Now we have to get them to vote.

re: #10 makeitstop

This spineless wimp needs to take a stand on something once in his damn life for something other than being a greedy miser.

re: #7 Lidane

Who is this Katie Roiphe person? I heard of the article, but I have no idea who she is.

Romney wrestles
with how to turn
his wealth into
a political asset

Godzilla Wrestles With How To Turn His Tendency To Step On Humans Into A Political Asset

may find appeal in resentful cyborg replicant population

Inevitable from @FoxNation: "Ted Nugent Under Investigation But Not Black Panthers?" bit.ly/JAsHrB

— Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) April 17, 2012

I'm surprised Romney can say anything with Nuge's dick in his mouth.

re: #17 Lidane

OMG. Too funny. There it is again. Argumentum ad New Black Pantherum.

Ted Nugent just said "Mitt Romney knows what I'm saying is true." Unless @MittRomney says otherwise, I guess we have to believe him

— American Bridge (@American_Bridge) April 17, 2012

re: #17 Lidane

I can't imagine, or maybe I can imagine, the tenor of the comments for this.

re: #21 Bulworth

I can't imagine, or maybe I can imagine, the tenor of the comments for this.

...

Race war! Hurr hurr! Kenya! OBUMMER! Alsharptonjessejacksonobamamuslimcommunisttakeover!!!

re: #20 Lidane

Well, Mitt's reply can simply be " I wouldn't have used those exact words..."

“Divisive language is offensive no matter what side of the political aisle it comes from,” said Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul. “Mitt Romney believes everyone needs to be civil.”

also, he thinks puppies are very nice, but only if you like that sort of thing

re: #10 makeitstop

Romney campaign denounces Nugent... no, not really.

Weasel.

Offensive language on both sides of the aisle, but especially from the Democrat party, is offensive.

re: #15 ProGunLiberal

Who is this Katie Roiphe person? I heard of the article, but I have no idea who she is.

Kaite Roiphe is the daughter of Anne Roiphe, an author of feminist issues from the '80's.

Threats and voter intimidation are offensive from either side of the aisle, but especially from the new Black Panther Party.

Since this topic came up last night, I thought I'd share a few article links from today's science stream:

Gene Hunt Is On for Mental Disabilities in Children

Medical geneticists are giving genome sequencing its first big test in the clinic by applying it to some of their most baffling cases. By the end of this year, hundreds of children with unexplained forms of intellectual disability and developmental delay will have had their genomes decoded as part of the first large-scale, national clinical sequencing projects.

[...]

About 2% of children experience some form of intellectual disability. Many have disorders such as Down’s syndrome and fragile X syndrome, which are linked to known genetic abnormalities and so are easily diagnosed. Others have experienced environmental risk factors, such as fetal alcohol exposure, that rule out a simple genetic explanation. However, a large proportion of intellectual disability cases are thought to be the work of single, as-yet-unidentified mutations.

Scientists estimate that about 1,000 genes are involved in the function of the healthy brain. “There are so many genes that can go wrong and give you intellectual disability,” says André Reis, a medical geneticist at Erlangen University Hospital in Germany. Reis’s group, the German Mental Retardation Network, has already sequenced the exomes — the 1–2% of the genome that contains instructions for building proteins — of about 50 patients with severe intellectual disability.

[...]

The work is also throwing up a fresh challenge: how can scientists be sure that a specific mutation is the cause of a particular form of mental disability? “It’s not clear what is the threshold of evidence at which you can say this is the causal variant in this patient,” says Daniel MacArthur, a geneticist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. In a recent Science paper, his team estimated that the average healthy genome contains about 100 gene-disabling mutations. Such ‘background noise’ could lead scientists astray in their hunt for causal mutations.

[...]

The entire article is worth reading.

This issue brings with it several moral questions, one of which is broached in the article:

The first clinical sequencing projects are also grappling with what they should or shouldn’t tell patients. “We don’t want people coming into our clinic for intellectual disability and coming out with a cancer gene; this is not what they came for,” says Reis.

I disagree with Dr. Reis. Whatever is discovered about one's genetic makeup ought to be available to the patient.

On any given week there are numerous stories on this topic. More:

Study of half siblings provides genetic clues to autism

When a child has autism, siblings are also at risk for the disorder. New research from Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis shows that the genetic reach of the disorder often extends to half siblings as well.

On the surface, the finding may not be surprising — half siblings share about 25 percent of their genes. But the discovery is giving scientists new clues to how autism is inherited.

The study is published online in the journal Molecular Psychiatry. [...]

BREAKING: Blue Cross Blue Shield ends financial support for ALEC, the right-wing group behind "Stand Your Ground" laws thkpr.gs/I2Kzed

— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) April 17, 2012

re: #29 freetoken

I imagined this would be the case. I think the likelihood is lower for half-siblings though. It looks like my idea might have something to it.

re: #10 makeitstop

Romney campaign denounces Nugent... no, not really.

Weasel.

Didn't Obama get roasted on a spit by the Right for similar language in the wake of the Giffords shooting? That call for civility while faulting both sides?

KEEP THOSE LADY PARTS AWAY FROM OUR CAREER PATHS yfrog.com/mgxblp

— Scott Jon Siegel (@numberless) April 17, 2012

Fischer: 'Capitalism is Built on the Teaching of Jesus Himself'

This is something we have been writing about for a while and our colleague Peter Montgomery was even quoted in the NPR piece, so it was pretty interesting to see Bryan Fischer suddenly join the movement today on his radio program when he declared that the "secret of capitalism" came right out of Mark 10:45, which says that "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

In fact, said Fischer, the entire concept of capitalism "is built on the teaching of Jesus himself" and this passage is even the source for the idea that the customer is always right:

re: #32 Targetpractice

Didn't Obama get roasted on a spit by the Right for similar language in the wake of the Giffords shooting? That call for civility while faulting both sides?

Probably. I seem to remember he was pretty slow with ditch Rev. Wright. This should be a no-brainer from Mitt's campaign but politicians are cautious about a misstep or poorly worded statement. They'll probably come out with a stronger statement soon. This is all pretty standard.

re: #34 Kragar

Thank you for verbalizing my response that way.

I see an avalanche of derp.

re: #35 Killgore Trout

This is all pretty standard.

You could replace about 50% of your posts these days by saying this.

It'd even be rather meta.

re: #32 Targetpractice

You remember dead on regarding that incident.

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Probably. I seem to remember he was pretty slow with ditch Rev. Wright.

Incorrect, he distanced himself from "Goddamn" comments immediately.

re: #35 Killgore Trout

When Wright's comments were aired in the national media, Obama distanced himself from them, saying to Charles Gibson of ABC News, "It's as if we took the five dumbest things that I've ever said or you've ever said in our lives and compressed them and put them out there — I think that people's reaction would, understandably, be upset."[26] At the same time, Obama stated that "words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."[27] Obama later added, "Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt as comfortable staying at the church."[28]

re: #34 Kragar

Fischer: 'Capitalism is Built on the Teaching of Jesus Himself'

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Praise Free Market Jaysus!!!

ALEC is apparently backing off from Voter ID & SYG laws:

[Link: www.alec.org...]

“We are eliminating the ALEC Public Safety and Elections task force that dealt with non-economic issues, and reinvesting these resources in the task forces that focus on the economy. The remaining budgetary and economic issues will be reassigned.

“While we recognize there are other critical, non-economic issues that are vitally important to millions of Americans, we believe we must concentrate on initiatives that spur competitiveness and innovation and put more Americans back to work."

re: #37 Obdicut

You could replace about 50% of your posts these days by saying this.

It'd even be rather meta.

We've all seen these scenarios play out many times before. You shouldn't find it surprising to see it again.

re: #42 Lidane

ALEC is apparently backing off from Voter ID & SYG laws:

[Link: www.alec.org...]

Translation: RUN AWAY!

re: #41 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge

I have one of Al Franken's books. In this particular one, there is a cartoon of Free-Market Jesus as a parody.

It's not parody anymore.

re: #43 Killgore Trout

We've all seen these scenarios play out many times before. You shouldn't find it surprising to see it again.

Except, as Sergey has already pointed out, you're wrong. The comparison is a faulty one anyway.

Your desire to see balance where there is one-- now that's something I've seen play out many times before. I always find it surprising when an apparently intelligent person indulges in it, though.

re: #44 Varek Raith

You forgot the clip:

Pat Robertson On Global Warming: "How Many SUVs ... Are There On Mars?"
...

re: #40 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Jeremiah Wright controversy is an American political issue that gained national attention in March 2008 when ABC News, after reviewing dozens of U.S. Presidential candidate Barack Obama's pastor Jeremiah Wright's sermons,[1] excerpted parts which were subject to intense media scrutiny.[2][3] Wright is a retired senior pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago and former pastor of President Obama.[4] Obama denounced the statements in question, but after critics continued to press the issue of his relationship with Wright he gave a speech titled "A More Perfect Union", in which he sought to place Dr. Wright's comments in a historical and sociological context. In the speech, Obama again denounced Wright's remarks, but did not disown him as a person. The controversy began to fade, but was renewed in late April when Wright made a series of media appearances, including an interview on Bill Moyers Journal, a speech at the NAACP and a speech at the National Press Club.[5] After the last of these, Obama spoke more forcefully against his former pastor, saying that he was "outraged" and "saddened" by his behavior, and in May he resigned his membership in the church.[6]
...
On May 31, 2008, Barack and Michelle Obama announced that they had withdrawn their membership in Trinity United Church of Christ stating that "Our relations with Trinity have been strained by the divisive statements of Reverend Wright, which sharply conflict with our own views".[6][14]

It played out for about three months.

re: #39 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Incorrect, he distanced himself from "Goddamn" comments immediately.

"I seem to remember" is one of those magical phrases one uses when they can't be bothered with actually remembering something or looking it up to make sure what they're saying is right.

re: #48 Varek Raith

Pat Robertson On Global Warming: "How Many SUVs ... Are There On Mars?"
...

Drowning is impossible. Ask any fish.

Petty's guitars found!!!

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Not to mention that Obama hadn't sought the endorsement of Reverend Wright, nor had a conversation with him about what was necessary in order to achieve it.

re: #52 Hoodies for Justice. T

Yay!

re: #46 Obdicut

Heh. One = none.

The english language is awesome.

OT, but some sad news just went up on Levon Helm's web site.

Levon is in the final stages of his battle with cancer. Please send your prayers and love to him as he makes his way through this part of his journey.

Levon had himself quite a run, and he'll be irreplacable.

re: #52 Hoodies for Justice. T

Petty's guitars found!!!

And hopefully the perps are cooling their heels in a cell...

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Once again: he denounced the statements immediately with the force that was warranted at the time, and he distanced himself from Wright, while not throwing him under the bus as a person, which the way a decent person would do it, since although Wright's "Goddamn America" comments were inflammatory and wrong, they were hardly downright evil when put in context of both the larger speech as well as plight of blacks in the US. It would have stayed this way too, had not Wright acted like a total punk and begin his weird speaking tour, ending in the infamous press-con.

Nugent's statements are not anywhere close to Wright's. They're an indirect threat to the President.

re: #7 Lidane

Forbes author Gloria Feldt takes on the latest bit of anti-feminist douchebaggery from Katie Roiphe:

Will Equal Pay Make You Submissive in Bed?

If it did, would there be a problem?

Yeah, imagine that, Obama didn't immediately throw a man he had respected for so long under the bus for some hot but hardly threatening rhetoric. One would think that this would say something positive about Obama as a person.

KT has achieved his Zen MBF for the day.

Interesting.

Wright's "Good damn America" sermons = Nugents "I'm gonna kill someone or myself, something, something, Obama, Demoncrats derp."

Another day in MBF world.

re: #60 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Oh, but Romney and Nugent have a long-standing relationship. Obviously. Otherwise Killgore's comparison wouldn't work. And Nugent's comments were selected from a long period of time, rather than being things he's said recently-- otherwise the comparison, again, would be a really dumb one.

re: #61 Varek Raith

KT has achieved his Zen MBF for the day.

How can a fairy achieve balance when it can only fly using one wing? Think on this truth.

re: #63 Obdicut

Sure. It's just the nature of the comments that breaks the analogy. Nugent's are much worse.

re: #64 Kragar

No wings, and it flies:

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re: #66 Obdicut

No wings, and it flies:

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re: #65 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

There's many ways in which it is a terrible comparison. It's a buffet of rhetorical mistmatch.

It really makes me wonder about Romney when he does something as bizarre as seek out Ted Nugent's endorsement. Is he just completely unaware of his ties to white supremacists, let alone his own tendency towards racist and violent statements?

Or does he really not care, is it actually a cynical calculation?

re: #58 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Once again: he denounced the statements immediately....

Footnotes from the Wiki article...

1^ a b c Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11 Brian Ross and Rehab el-Buri, ABC News, March 13, 2008

3 ^ Adubato, Steve (March 21, 2008). "Obama's reaction to Wright too little, too late". MSNBC.

There might be an earlier statement from him but it probably took him a few days if not a week or so from the first report or Wrights statements to Obama's condemnation. Campaigns are cautious about how they deal with this stuff. That's how strategists, consultants and speech writers earn their pay. Mitt's people are all sending memos and having meetings just like any other candidate deciding how best to deal with this.

Try this on for size. Imagine if it was 2004. During the height of the faux-patriot Iraq War anti-Jihadist Bush-is-God war-porn waterboarding derpitude America fuck-yeh. From out of the blue an anti-war left wing rock idol announces...

If George Bush becomes the president in November, again, I will be either be dead or in jail by this time next year.

But then Nugent is a white, god-fearing male, right?

re: #11 Learned Mother of Zion

Katie Roiphe, like Molly Jong Fast, rebelling against Mommy while taking advantage of Mommy's creds in the literary industry to get their crap published.

Nancy Friday's books certainly document that women were fantasizing about submission and spanking back in the 1970s, when pay equity was much further away than it is now.

Then there's the entire bodice-ripper genre, plus all of Victorian pornography--if you're going to argue that submission fantasies are linked to women's power in the workplace, you're gonna have to do a lot more serious proving than it sounds like Roiphe is bothering with.

re: #68 Obdicut

There's many ways in which it is a terrible comparison. It's a buffet of rhetorical mistmatch.

It really makes me wonder about Romney when he does something as bizarre as seek out Ted Nugent's endorsement. Is he just completely unaware of his ties to white supremacists, let alone his own tendency towards racist and violent statements?

Or does he really not care, is it actually a cynical calculation?

I don't see how that endorsement actually benefits Romney in any tangible way.

What, those couple hundred people who still think Nugent is the least bit relevant are gonna sway the election? I doubt it.

And add the fact that Nuge made demands in return for this endorsement (and Romney willingly gave them up), and the weirdness is compounded.

re: #15 ProGunLiberal

This spineless wimp needs to take a stand on something once in his damn life for something other than being a greedy miser.

re: #7 Lidane

Who is this Katie Roiphe person? I heard of the article, but I have no idea who she is.

Anne Roiphe's daughter, one of a crop of 1990s quasi-feminist writers rebelling against the Second Wave and thinking themselves very clever.

My generation kind of sucked at feminism, to be perfectly honest.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Why are you looking that, previous to this incident, Nugent has already publicly associated with white supremacists, said crazily nasty shit about Obama, and used massively violent rhetoric?

These statements of Nugent's aren't exceptional. This is the kind of shit Nugent says. It's a little more than usual, that's all.

Things which make you go hmmm?

Pandora has the lyrics for the song "Mahna Mahna"

Rick Santorum declines to endorse Mitt Romney

Rick Santorum pointedly declined Monday night to endorse presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney, instead pointing out that he has not backed a candidate in the race and urging his supporters to vote their conscience.

“As far as how you vote, that’s up to you,” Santorum told thousands of supporters during a conference call. “I haven’t supported any candidate at this point, so that’s really up to you.”

re: #76 Kragar

Things which make you go hmmm? be de bedepeep.

Pandora has the lyrics for the song "Mahna Mahna"

FTFY.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Ah, here we go: On My Faith and My Church
Barack Obama
Posted: March 14

The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days.

That makes is the day after ABC covered the story although it was probably circulating for a while before that. So it took him 2-3 days, maybe a week after the story first surfaced. It's not a big deal, that's just how it works. Within the next few days Mitt will probably make a statement too. Not shocking.

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Anne Roiphe's daughter, one of a crop of 1990s quasi-feminist writers rebelling against the Second Wave and thinking themselves very clever.

My generation kind of sucked at feminism, to be perfectly honest.

Oh, so they are hipsters.

I hate hipsters.

Quote of the Day: Ted Nugent Threatens Barack Obama
The washed-up rocker and Romney endorser says he'll be in jail or dead if the president is reelected.

re: #80 ProGunLiberal

Oh, so they are hipsters.

I hate hipsters.

I hated hipsters before it was cool to hate hipsters.

re: #79 Killgore Trout

How long do you think it'll take for Romney to address that Nugent has appeared on Political Cesspool?

That was reported widely in 2010 or so, I think.

So it's been more than a couple of days, yeah?

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Footnotes from the Wiki article...

There might be an earlier statement from him but it probably took him a few days if not a week or so from the first report or Wrights statements to Obama's condemnation. Campaigns are cautious about how they deal with this stuff. That's how strategists, consultants and speech writers earn their pay. Mitt's people are all sending memos and having meetings just like any other candidate deciding how best to deal with this.

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

Originally published March 15, 2008 at 12:00 AM | Page modified March 15, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Obama decries pastor's remarks

The presidential candidate took pains Friday to distance himself from statements made by his former spiritual mentor.

*sigh*

So, three months just magically became three days. It's a miracle!

/

re: #82 Kragar

I hated hipsters before it was cool to hate hipsters.

Posers! I was hating Zoidberg before it was cool!

re: #86 Varek Raith

Posers! I was hating Zoidberg before it was cool!

(V)(;,,;)(V)

re: #84 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Friday = March 14. The next day.

re: #70 Gus

Try this on for size. Imagine if it was 2004. During the height of the faux-patriot Iraq War anti-Jihadist Bush-is-God war-porn waterboarding derpitude America fuck-yeh. From out of the blue an anti-war left wing rock idol announces...

Have the Dixie Chicks sales numbers recovered yet?

I remember the Bush years quite well. People would have been calling for Nugent's head. For him to be arrested...

"How dare you threaten the president of the United States of America during this time of WAR!"

"How dare you say such a thing you treasonous scum bag!"

They would have called for a public execution or something.

DURING THIS TIME OF WAR!!!!

No wait. Doesn't count anymore.

re: #85 makeitstop

So, three months just magically became three days. It's a miracle!

/

Time dilation.

And now, for some really tragic news of the day:

Strike threat at Hostess could kill off Twinkies

The maker of Twinkies and Wonder Bread heads to court Tuesday to try to throw out its union contracts, in a battle that leaves the iconic baker's future very much in doubt.

Hostess Brands, which makes Ding Dongs and a variety of other sweet treats, is asking the bankruptcy court in White Plains, N.Y. to tear up labor agreements, which would, among other things, allow Hostess to change how it funds union pensions. The hearing is expected to last two days.

The International Brotherhood of Teamsters and the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers, together represent more than three-quarters of the 18,500 workers at the company.

The Teamsters have vowed to strike if the judge agrees with management's request and dumps the labor deals.

But both management and the unions agree that the company is unlikely to survive a strike.

[...]

No more twinkies.

Not sure the world is ready for this.

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Anne Roiphe's daughter, one of a crop of 1990s quasi-feminist writers rebelling against the Second Wave and thinking themselves very clever.

My generation kind of sucked at feminism, to be perfectly honest.

Her first book, "The Morning After", basically argued that date rape on campus was more 'complicated' than 'feminists' were allowing for. Camille Paglia wet herself anointing Roiphe as the first intellectual among the Xers. (She's backed off from that, since Roiphe then went into the more profitable Gen-X occupation of writing dull memoirs about how spayshul her life was. If I had to nominate a Gen-X intellectual, it would probably be Ta-Nehisi Coates, but he doesn't write about the importance of male desire and female desire for male desire being acknowledged as the most important thing in the history of the world, so Paglia probably doesn't care.)

re: #89 William Barnett-Lewis

Have the Dixie Chicks sales numbers recovered yet?

Got me. I never understood that hoopla myself.

re: #92 freetoken

And now, for some really tragic news of the day:

Strike threat at Hostess could kill off Twinkies

No more twinkies.

Not sure the world is ready for this.

S'okay. We'll just eat the ones they made back in '95.

/

re: #89 William Barnett-Lewis

Have the Dixie Chicks sales numbers recovered yet?

They barely appear on the radio, and they had a string of number one hits.

McGraw and Hill, for contrast, are known to be relatively liberal, kept their mouths shut, and are still in heavy rotation.

re: #92 freetoken

And now, for some really tragic news of the day:

Strike threat at Hostess could kill off Twinkies

No more twinkies.

Not sure the world is ready for this.

Zingers master plan finally unfolds.

re: #94 Gus

Got me. I never understood that hoopla myself.

Never understood what a "Dixie Chicks" was anyway.

re: #92 freetoken

And now, for some really tragic news of the day:

Strike threat at Hostess could kill off Twinkies

No more twinkies.

Not sure the world is ready for this.

To quote someone, I can't recall who, if you can go broke selling Twinkies at a time when Americans are possibly fatter than any population in history, you probably deserve to go broke.

But I'm also not sure I'm ready to face a world without Twinkies.

re: #84 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

From your article....

Last month, in a meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland, Obama, D-Ill., said Wright was "like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with."

So it looks like he started back peddling, without actually denouncing, a month earlier. That's why it dragged on so long. He was slow to fully react and people kept finding new sermons.

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Anne Roiphe's daughter, one of a crop of 1990s quasi-feminist writers rebelling against the Second Wave and thinking themselves very clever.

My generation kind of sucked at feminism, to be perfectly honest.

Ugh, yes. There were a lot of really bad "feminist" writers in the 90s. It was terrible. I got more out of the Riot Grrl scene and the female musicians of the time than I ever did from any of the published writers in the 90s.

re: #92 freetoken

And now, for some really tragic news of the day:

Strike threat at Hostess could kill off Twinkies

No more twinkies.

Not sure the world is ready for this.

WTF am I supposed to stockpile in the bunker?!?!?

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Footnotes from the Wiki article...

1^ a b c Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11 Brian Ross and Rehab el-Buri, ABC News, March 13, 2008

3 ^ Adubato, Steve (March 21, 2008). "Obama's reaction to Wright too little, too late". MSNBC.

There might be an earlier statement from him but it probably took him a few days if not a week or so from the first report or Wrights statements to Obama's condemnation. Campaigns are cautious about how they deal with this stuff. That's how strategists, consultants and speech writers earn their pay. Mitt's people are all sending memos and having meetings just like any other candidate deciding how best to deal with this.

Too bad you didn't go look at footnote number four on that article:

4^ Johnson, Alex (2008-03-14). "Obama Strongly Denounces his ex-Pastor". MSNBC. Retrieved 2008-04-28.

That's the next day.

re: #98 freetoken

Never understood what a "Dixie Chicks" was anyway.

Porn... Wait, I'm thinking Dick-see Chix, nevermind.

re: #100 Killgore Trout

How do you get 'without actually denouncing'?

I love that somehow, people still think it's cool to talk about Reverend Wright.

re: #106 Obdicut

I love that someone, people still think it's cool to talk about Reverend Wright.

Seems to be as good a de-railing mechanism as any.
/

re: #106 Obdicut

I love that someone, people still think it's cool to talk about Reverend Wright.

Fear not. Looks like in a couple of week Mitt Romney will really denounce Ted Nugent.

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re: #108 Gus

He'll have to travel back in the past to denounce him for all the previous shit he's said that's been widely reported, though. I'm not sure professor Derbyshire will be done with his time machine in the next couple weeks, but then, how can you really tell when a time machine was completed?

re: #107 makeitstop

Seems to be as good a de-railing mechanism as any.
/

...

Unlike you people I'm not really OUTRAGED about Mitt Romney not denouncing what Nugent said. Seems to SOP and Obama took weeks before he denounced Wright. More fauxtrage from the Moonbats.

re: #108 Gus

I think Romney is an Auton.

re: #100 Killgore Trout

From your article...

So it looks like he started back peddling, without actually denouncing, a month earlier. That's why it dragged on so long. He was slow to fully react and people kept finding new sermons.

If you read the wiki article, he somewhat distanced himself back in 2007. He just didn't know about the more inflammatory stuff, like this "god damn America". It came out on March 13, 2008, the next day Obama denounced it. That's it.

Nugent: "I Will Stand By" Inflammatory Attack On Obama Administration

National Rifle Association board member and Washington Times columnist Ted Nugent refused to back down from his recent inflammatory comments about the Obama administration in a radio interview with CNN contributor Dana Loesch on The Dana Show. Nugent told Loesch that "I will stand by my speech" and said that he was being attacked with the "Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals playbook."

re: #108 Gus

Fear not. Looks like in a couple of week Mitt Romney will really denounce Ted Nugent.

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Yeah, it's pretty normal.
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re: #113 Kragar

Nugent: "I Will Stand By" Inflammatory Attack On Obama Administration

WRIGHT!!!

re: #113 Kragar

Nugent: "I Will Stand By" Inflammatory Attack On Obama Administration

ALINSKY! Eleventy!

Palin: "Drill, Baby, Drill And Frack, Baby, Frack" Are "Very Important" Energy Policies

...
Or porno flicks.

re: #113 Kragar

The Party Van is coming to pick him up.

re: #116 Lidane

WILLIAM AYERS11111!!!

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

That assumes the story ABC was the first to report the story. According to this timeline Rolling Stone reported it in their February issue and Obama's statement was on March 14th.

re: #113 Kragar

Nugent: "I Will Stand By" Inflammatory Attack On Obama Administration

'Washington Times columnist?' BWAHAHA

re: #106 Obdicut

I love that somehow, people still think it's cool to talk about Reverend Wright.

No OWS news to use for derailing.

As soon as the Nuge mentioned coyote piss, you knew Dana Loesch would be interested.

re: #121 makeitstop

Are they still owned by the Moonies?

re: #120 Killgore Trout

That assumes the story ABC was the first to report the story. According to this timeline Rolling Stone reported it in their February issue and Obama's statement was on March 14th.

You know, when you have to be nudged to be accurate every step of the way, after a while it gets pretty boring. But maybe that's just your tactic?

Feb. 22, 2007

Rolling Stone magazine publishes a profile of Obama that includes Wright using profanity to condemn American racism.

re: #102 Varek Raith

WTF am I supposed to stockpile in the bunker?!?!?

Stockpile Twinkies NOW. Even if the apocalypse never comes, you'll have a supply of Twinkies, and since they will survive a direct nuclear strike, how long you keep them is not all that important.

re: #117 Varek Raith

Palin: "Drill, Baby, Drill And Frack, Baby, Frack" Are "Very Important" Energy Policies

...
Or porno flicks.

The latter was big on Caprica before the fall.

Road project uncovers dinosaur eggs in Russia

but the khalisi has hatched the dragon eggs!

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

Can I be the boring boring bore-o-meister from Borington in Drab County, USA, and point out that twinkies actually do go bad in about 25 days?

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

re: #125 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

You know, when you have to be nudged to be accurate every step of the way, after a while it gets pretty boring. But maybe that's just your tactic?

lol. I didn't even catch the year. Obama's response was much slower than I remembered.

re: #130 Killgore Trout

lol. I didn't even catch the year. Obama's response was much slower that I remembered.

Dude, you're either drunk or ... . Either way, I don't have much more to say.

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Maybe you need another cup of coffee at this point.

I'm not really defending Romney, but what else is he going to say? He can't denounce Nugent's statements. He can't even backhandedly, half-denounce them. If he does, nobody will vote for him. I mean, John McCain disagreed with a voter hating on Obama, and look how that worked out for him.

Sure, we can say that Romney, if he had any spine or courage or self-respect, wouldn't be in the running to represent the Republican Party. That's probably true. But he's supposed to represent the views and ideals of the Republican Party here. And what the Republican voters want isn't fiscal conservatism. It isn't small government. It isn't even lower taxes. The only thing the Republican base wants is pure, unbridled hate towards Democrats, foreigners, liberals and especially Obama. Nothing else matters.

Is that wrong? Sure. Would a man with any sense of honour want to represent that ideal? No. But someone's gotta be the Republican nominee.

re: #129 Obdicut

Can I bet the boring boring bore-o-meister from Borington in Drab County, USA, and point out that twinkies actually do go bad in about 25 days?

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

*Shakes head*

re: #129 Obdicut

Can I bet the boring boring bore-o-meister from Borington in Drab County, USA, and point out that twinkies actually do go bad in about 25 days?

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

Has anyone asked Joad Cressbeckler what he thinks about an America without Twinkies?

I out for the evening.
Later.

re: #129 Obdicut

Can I bet the boring boring bore-o-meister from Borington in Drab County, USA, and point out that twinkies actually do go bad in about 25 days?

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

Next, you're going to try and tell us Obama isn't a Muslim socialist from Kenya.

re: #131 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Dude, you're either drunk or ... . Either way, I don't have much more to say.

Well, you could tell me again about how immediate Obama's response was.
/Seriously, not a big deal
Which brings me back to my original statement that campaigns are sometimes slow to react. They strategize, carefully craft statements and responses, hope for a distraction, etc. Mitt will probably have something to say once his people decide how he feels about this. Probably within the next few days.

So to recap: Obama denounced Wright's comments and distanced himself the next day after the inflammatory sermon was shown on TV. But there is no analogy between Wright's kooky sermon and hateful threat from Nugent, so we can expect the denunciation on the same day.

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Well, you could tell me again about how immediate Obama's response was.
/Seriously, not a big deal
Which brings me back to my original statement that campaigns are sometimes slow to react. They strategize, carefully craft statements and responses, hope for a distraction, etc. Mitt will probably have something to say once his people decide how he feels about this. Probably within the next few days.

Can I just comment that my level of interest in what Mitt Romney has to say about Ted Nugent could almost not go lower?

re: #133 Renaissance_Man

If he does, nobody will vote for him.

You mean, someone might actually vote for him?

re: #137 Kragar

Next, you're going to try and tell us Obama isn't a Muslim socialist from Kenya.

I bet he'll even try to say Obama actually isn't the secret love child of Malcolm X!

I guess another OT post isn't gonna hurt anything...

Foreclosure Frenzy: Bank Of America Sues Bank Of America

Weird.

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Well, you could tell me again about how immediate Obama's response was.

Next day fits.

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Nugent threatened the life of the President. That is way the hell worse than what Rev. Wright did. Way worse.

Not only is the MBF here wrong, it is really offensive.

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

Can I just comment that my level of interest in what Mitt Romney has to say about Ted Nugent could almost not go lower?

Agreed. When he does say something it's not going to be interesting, surprising or important.

re: #146 Killgore Trout

Agreed. When he does say something it's not going to be interesting, surprising or important.

The question is whether and when.

re: #147 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

The question is whether and when.

If he gets a distraction in the press he might not say anything. A few slow news days is all it should take.

re: #120 Killgore Trout

That assumes the story ABC was the first to report the story. According to this timeline Rolling Stone reported it in their February issue and Obama's statement was on March 14th.

The Ben Wallace-Wells article in Rolling Stone didn't quote the god damn America speech.

And there is the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a sprawling, profane bear of a preacher, a kind of black ministerial institution, with his own radio shows and guest preaching gigs across the country. Wright takes the pulpit here one Sunday and solemnly, sonorously declares that he will recite ten essential facts about the United States. "Fact number one: We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he intones. "Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!" There is thumping applause; Wright has a cadence and power that make Obama sound like John Kerry. Now the reverend begins to preach. "We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!" The crowd whoops and amens as Wright builds to his climax: "And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS SH*T!"

Obama is quoted in that article as well:

MR. GIBSON: And if you knew he got rough in sermons, why did it take you more than a year to publicly disassociate yourself from his remarks?

SENATOR OBAMA: Well, understand that I hadn't seen the remarks that ended up playing on youTube repeatedly. This was a set of remarks that had been quoted in Rolling Stone Magazine and we looked at them and I thought that they would be a distraction since he had just put them forward.

But, Charlie, I've discussed this extensively. Reverend Wright is somebody who made controversial statements but they were not of the sort that we saw that offended so many Americans. And that's why I specifically said that these comments were objectionable; they're not comments that I believe in. (emphasis added)

Now you can shift here and say that the god damn America statement doesn't matter, but that's exactly the statement you are asserting was unchallenged for days, when in fact Obama denounced Wright the very next day after it was published in the press.

You are an incredibly lazy researcher.

re: #146 Killgore Trout

Agreed. When he does say something it's not going to be interesting, surprising or important.

re: #148 Killgore Trout

If he gets a distraction in the press he might not say anything.

Presumably, you would be OK with it.

Yeah, yeah. Who cares what his response will be anyway.

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re: #147 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

re: #148 Killgore Trout

It's cute you two think he will condemn Nugent. Nugent is more or less representative of the barbaric nature of the Republican Party.

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

You are an incredibly lazy researcher.

re: #152 ProGunLiberal

re: #148 Killgore Trout

It's cute you two think he will condemn Nugent.

When did I say that?

re: #151 Gus

Yeah, yeah. Who cares what his response will be anyway.

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Yeah, it's not like Nuge threatened a sitting president or anything.

Needs moar ///

re: #155 makeitstop

Yeah, it's not like Nuge threatened a sitting president or anything.

Needs moar ///

Yeah. It's not like if this happened with BUSH DURING THIS TIME OF WAR AGAINST MOOSLAMIC EXTREMISM!!1111ty

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re: #152 ProGunLiberal

re: #148 Killgore Trout

It's cute you two think he will condemn Nugent. Nugent is more or less representative of the barbaric nature of the Republican Party.

when it's Id vs Superego, i'm betting on the Id

re: #154 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Ah, sorry, had an odd interpretation of what you said. Still stands in regards to KT.

His habit of MBF-ing is really beginning to grate on my nerves.

re: #156 Gus

Yeah. It's not like if this happened with BUSH DURING THIS TIME OF WAR AGAINST MOOSLAMIC EXTREMISM!!1111ty

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If it had--if the Dixie Chicks had actually said just what Nugent said--I wouldn't have considered it a Democrat's problem to respond to it at all.

My advice to Romney: "I believe the Secret Service is looking into that. NEXT!"

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

If it had--if the Dixie Chicks had actually said just what Nugent said--I wouldn't have considered it a Democrat's problem to respond to it at all.

My advice to Romney: "I believe the Secret Service is looking into that. NEXT!"

Nope. Not good enough.

Of course, he still has the power to make this really stupid and horrible by opening his mouth further...and probably will, because it's that kind of an election.

GOPers Struggle To Say Anything Good About Romney

Fourteen GOP conservatives sat together Tuesday on a Capitol Hill panel to field questions from a few dozen reporters and other attendees about the political issues of the day. When asked, predictably, to provide their thoughts about Mitt Romney, they turned decidedly lukewarm.

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) summed up the conservative mood with a joke that won laughter from the audience, but might have hit too close to home for many in the GOP.

“Whether you’re liberal, whether you’re very conservative,” he said, “you ought to be excited [about Romney] because he’s been on your side at one time or another.”

In a more serious moment, Gohmert acknowledged that the right is stuck with Romney, and needs to make the best of it.

“I’m not as excited as I am desperate,” he said. “It’s a desperate situation. We’ve got to get this White House in the hands of a new president.”

"Vote Romney, because the GOP is shit out of anything else."

For all of Mitt's milquetoast response wrt Nugent, he sure seems on fire against some sort of vast "left wing" media conspiracy.

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Which brings me back to my original statement that campaigns are sometimes slow to react. They strategize, carefully craft statements and responses, hope for a distraction, etc. Mitt will probably have something to say once his people decide how he feels about this. Probably within the next few days.

If Obama managed to say something about a relatively unimportant sermon by a former pastor the next day after shit hit the fan, surely Mitt can be even more responsible and denounce those who threaten the President like right fucking now?

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

But Romney sought out Nugent's endorsement. Doesn't that make it matter a little? I mean, unless you think that's a false report.

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, I'm to cynical for that. Nugent endorsed Romney, then called for the Death of the sitting President.

Tie Romney to Nugent, and watch him squirm.

re: #164 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

But you're overlooking the war Mitt is having to fight against the vast left wing media conspiracy. He's only got so much energy, you know.

re: #164 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

If Obama managed to say something about a relatively unimportant sermon by a former pastor the next day after shit hit the fan, surely Mitt can be even more responsible and denounce those who threaten the President like right fucking now?

Maybe Ann could send a Tweet.

re: #168 wrenchwench

Maybe Ann could send a Tweet.

Why do you hate moms??

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re: #168 wrenchwench

Maybe Ann could send a Tweet.

How dare you bring her into this?! Pass the smelling salts!

So far not a peep from NR about their deep ties to the likes of VDARE.

However, we do have another article from them about the dangers of Shariah, the sacrificial Ann Romney, and how evil James Hansen is.

At least Ted Nugent didn't say anything about Ann Romney. If the did, then that would have been a real issue.

61+ Women Rush Limbaugh Has Labeled "Babe"

Just as proof is for gin and maths, babe is for pig and Ruth. //

re: #172 freetoken

At least Ted Nugent didn't say anything about Ann Romney. If the did, then that would have been a real issue.

Tweet that. Fix "the did" first. ;)

re: #172 freetoken

At least Ted Nugent didn't say anything about Ann Romney. If the did, then that would have been a real issue.

Oooh yeah.

O'Sullivan responds: [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

re: #174 Gus

Not sure I can contextualize enough given the character limits.

re: #176 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Hehe... Gus is part of the vast left wing McCarthyite movement.

re: #145 ProGunLiberal

Nugent threatened the life of the President. That is way the hell worse than what Rev. Wright did. Way worse.

Not only is the MBF here wrong, it is really offensive.

I'm sure Nuge was just saying that once the Usurper is re-elected, he will bare his fangs, send his Islamo-Facist/Acorn/NBP jack-booted thugs out to seize all the god-fearing Americans' weapons, and the Nuge will either die in the firefight for his arsenal or be sent to prison if he's captured alive. All perfectly sane and not a threat to the President at all./

re: #176 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

O'Sullivan responds: [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Bologna. He claims he resigned in 2007? His name was still on the 990s all the way until 2010. That's 3 years.

Found out more on Nugent. Somebody on SA found an article. This was in said article:

In 1978, Nugent began a relationship with seventeen-year-old Hawaii native Pele Massa. Due to the age difference they could not marry so Nugent joined Massa's parents in signing documents to make himself her legal guardian, an arrangement that Spin magazine ranked in October 2000 as #63 on their list of the "100 Sleaziest Moments in Rock"

I am dry-heaving.

This Conversation Between Ted Nugent and Dana Loesch Will Melt Your Brain

Loesch: You're a scapegoat. They're trying to suggest that you said something that you emphatically did not say.

Nugent: Absolutely ... I have never in my life threatened anyone's life. I am incapable of threatening anyone's life. Because, I'm about positive change.

Asked whether the Secret Service had contacted him, Nugent replied, "The Secret Service are my buddies. They work for me. I pay their salaries." At no point did the interview sound like a conversation between two sane people.

re: #176 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

O'Sullivan responds: [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

He finds the whole idea of white nationalism quite silly.

Jonathan Capeheart:

Now, it might be tempting to write Nugent off as a right-wing gun totting crank. After all, who talks like that and expects to be taken seriously in the realm of presidential politics? But what makes Nugent’s nuttery alarming is that it has the tacit endorsement of Romney.

See, Romney sought out the rocker’s support. Nugent made the announcement via Twitter on March 2.

after a long heart&soul conversation with MittRomney today I concluded this goodman will properly represent we the people & I endorsed him

Team Romney was so excited about the Nugent nod that Tagg Romney pom-pomed it via Twitter.

Ted Nugent endorsed my Dad today. Ted Nugent? How cool is that?! He joins Kid Rock as great Detroit musicians on team Mitt!

So, we have a guy who says incendiary things. A guy whose support was actively sought by the candidate. A guy whose support was championed by said candidate’s son. But now that it is called on to disavow and condemn Nugent’s poisonous words, all the outrage that Team Romney fired upon Rosen seems to be depleted.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

It will be interesting to see Romney pivot away from a guy who wanted us to nuke the Iraqis.

Peter himself has always denied that V-Dare is a white nationalist website.

Well, that settles it. /

re: #183 Charles Johnson

He finds the whole idea of white nationalism quite silly.

Yep. Another one. "Peter himself has always denied that V-Dare is a white nationalist website... [Besides! White nationalism is quite silly.]"

re: #186 Gus

I hope Brimelow has something to say about this too.

re: #181 ProGunLiberal

There is a certain word I would like to use regard Nugent. Can I use it?

re: #188 ProGunLiberal

Probably not.

re: #188 ProGunLiberal

There is a certain word I would like to use regard Nugent. Can I use it?

Not bigoted?

re: #190 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Not bigoted, but I think true, considering he had a relationship with an under-aged woman.

re: #92 freetoken

And now, for some really tragic news of the day:

Strike threat at Hostess could kill off Twinkies

No more twinkies.

Not sure the world is ready for this.

Not trying to bag on unions here, but some do have a propensity for cutting their noses off to spite their faces, because I saw it happen with the UAW local at the former Peterbilt plant here in Nashville.

In part because the union was unwilling to compromise on insurance costs and pension contributions, PACCAR shut the plant down after 40+ years, moved the bulk of that plant's production to their non-union Peterbilt plant in Denton, TX, and put about 1000+ people permanently out of work (not to mention all the job and financial losses incurred by their local suppliers).

I worked as a Pinkerton guard at that plant for six years (1996-2002) and saw one strike there firsthand that stretched on for 6-8 months (1998); there were two more strikes/lockouts in the intervening 10 years or so before the end. While I had good relations with most of the employees I dealt with, salaried and hourly, some of the worst were usually the union reps, especially the higher-ups. You've never seen people who thought that they were King Shit like some of them; egos the size of the trucks built there.

re: #191 ProGunLiberal

Not bigoted, but I think true, considering he had a relationship with an under-aged woman.

Nope. You're probably going to use the wrong word.

re: #191 ProGunLiberal

Not bigoted, but I think true, considering he had a relationship with an under-aged woman.

Ephebophile?

re: #186 Gus

Yep. Another one. "Peter himself has always denied that V-Dare is a white nationalist website... [Besides! White nationalism is quite silly.]"

"America was defined — almost explicitly, sometimes very explicitly — as a white nation, for white people, and what that means is that there is virtually no figure, no law, no policy, no event in the history of the old, white America that can survive the transition to the new and non-white version. Whether we will want to call the new updated version ‘America’ at all is another question entirely."
— Sam Francis, VDARE.com, July 21, 2003

"Who are these silly people claiming that our website which obsesses over a white nation for white people is a white nationalist website!"

re: #192 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge

In this case I believe the union is simply trying to not leave any penny on the table. It looks pretty bleak for the company even if the unions gave in to all the demands, so I suspect the union wants to keep its claim on as much of the remains as possible, once in bankruptcy court and the assets get divided up.

re: #194 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Your are getting real close. This is so skeevy. I didn't think my opinion of Nugent could go any lower.

I was dead wrong.

re: #197 ProGunLiberal

Well, you'd be using the wrong word, then.

Hey man. Why worry. Ted Nugent's comments are JUST SILLY.

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Looks like Obama is winning the war on women.

re: #199 Gus

Hey man. Why worry. Ted Nugent's comments are JUST SILLY.

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It's pretty standard.

Nugent: Absolutely ... I have never in my life threatened anyone's life. I am incapable of threatening anyone's life. Because, I'm about positive change.

Other Nugent quotes:

"Obama's a piece of shit, and I told him to suck on my machine gun."

Referring to Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm (in office 2003-11), during performances he would frequently interject "Jennifer Granholm, kiss my ass" into his songs, and shoot an arrow at her likeness

On Iraq: "Our failure has been not to Nagasaki them."

Positive change...

re: #200 aagcobb

Looks like Obama is winning the war on women.

Women lose to Obama? //

Come on man. Hilary Rosen's comments about Ann Romney were JUST SILLY!

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re: #198 Obdicut

Why exactly though? He was doing something that would have Chris Hansen there.

This guy is more repulsive than any other significant Republican I can think of.

re: #205 ProGunLiberal

Why exactly though?

Because it's a medical term, not a legal term.

re: #191 ProGunLiberal

Not bigoted, but I think true, considering he had a relationship with an under-aged woman.

"Cradle robber", that Ted loves jailbait, something along those lines?

The things you learn...

A small number of Italian and German states introduced an age of consent in the 16th century, setting it at 12 years. Towards the end of the 18th century, other European countries also began to enact age of consent laws. The first French Constitution established an age of consent of 11 years in 1791, which was raised to 13 in 1863. Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons, initially set the age of consent at 10–12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century.[5] Historically, the English common law set the age of consent to range from 10 to 12.[6]

In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10–12, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only 7. A New York Times article states that it was still aged 7 in Delaware in 1895.[7] Female reformers and advocates of social purity initiated a campaign in 1885 to petition legislators to raise the legal age of consent to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raised the age of consent to 16–18 by 1920.[8][9]

re: #207 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge

Yeah, basically.

re: #208 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

And yet they say the modern world is slouching towards Gomorrah. We're Puritans.

re: #188 ProGunLiberal

There is a certain word I would like to use regard Nugent. Can I use it?

Just remember that his politics are as astute as his music is beautiful, then move on.

re: #205 ProGunLiberal

Because pedophile means liking pre-pubescent children, and a 17 year old is not a pre-pubescent child.

Maybe next time you could look up 'ephebophile'.

re: #192 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge

Not trying to bag on unions here, but some do have a propensity for cutting their noses off to spite their faces, because I saw it happen with the UAW local at the former Peterbilt plant here in Nashville.

In part because the union was unwilling to compromise on insurance costs and pension contributions, PACCAR shut the plant down after 40+ years, moved the bulk of that plant's production to their non-union Peterbilt plant in Denton, TX, and put about 1000+ people permanently out of work (not to mention all the job and financial losses incurred by their local suppliers).

I worked as a Pinkerton guard at that plant for six years (1996-2002) and saw one strike there firsthand that stretched on for 6-8 months (1998); there were two more strikes/lockouts in the intervening 10 years or so before the end. While I had good relations with most of the employees I dealt with, salaried and hourly, some of the worst were usually the union reps, especially the higher-ups. You've never seen people who thought that they were King Shit like some of them; egos the size of the trucks built there.

No offense intended, but I can't look fairly at the opinion of a Pinkerton guard about anything having to do with striking union members. You know the history. Yes, union bigwigs have the same rate of corruption and assholery as all other bigwigs, but I can't get past the association with things like the Everett Massacre. Yes, it was almost 100 years ago... sorry...

re: #211 Decatur Deb

As the bard once said:

You got to pretend your face is a Maserati
It's a Maserati
It's a Maserati
It's a gettin' hotty
It's a Maserati, Maserati, Maserati
It's a fast one too man, that thing's turbocharged
You feel like a little fuel injection honey?
I'll tell ya about it, I'll tell you about it
I'll check out the hood scoop
I gotta get that hood scoop off
shine and shine and buff
I gotta buff it up, buff it up
buff it up, buff it up, buff it up

re: #210 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

And yet they say the modern world is slouching towards Gomorrah. We're Puritans.

Nah. We've simply extended childhood protections to match our life expectancies and educational needs. Twelve was not an outrageous age of "consent" when a woman's life expectancy was 25. (In those days no one, of any age or sex, was doing much consenting.)

Romm's trying too hard with the catchy article titles:

Must-See Video: Has Global Warming Caused A Quantum Jump In Extreme Weather?

re: #212 Obdicut

Yep, your right. Sorry about that.

I thought the word (both of them) meant something different. Still makes him an awful human being.

re: #176 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

O'Sullivan responds: [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Anyone can look at these again.

VDare Overview Page 9

VDare Form 990 Page 7

re: #218 Gus

A response stressing this point is forthcoming, yes? ;)

re: #219 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

A response stressing this point is forthcoming, yes? ;)

Oh. I don't know. Maybe. Let me see if I can dig up something.

re: #218 Gus

Stupid question: can a person be on a board of directors while not knowing about this? Because that will be the defense.

re: #221 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Stupid question: can a person be on a board of directors while not knowing about this? Because that will be the defense.

I'm sure they could.

re: #221 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

It would mean the person who submitted the papers knowingly misrepresented the organization on the Form 990.

Probably an imprisonable offense if done repeatedly. Tax laws have a long tradition of being useful in that way....

re: #221 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Yes, but it would be criminal of the organization that was doing that.

re: #213 wrenchwench

No offense intended, but I can't look fairly at the opinion of a Pinkerton guard about anything having to do with striking union members. You know the history. Yes, union bigwigs have the same rate of corruption and assholery as all other bigwigs, but I can't get past the association with things like the Everett Massacre. Yes, it was almost 100 years ago... sorry...

Had I just said "guard" without the "Pinkerton" qualifier, would you have said the same thing?

And, yes, I do know quite a bit of the Pinkerton history, something that the company whitewashed and sterilized in their corporate history for decades. By the time I joined the company, Pinkerton had be thoroughly corporatized.

re: #223 freetoken

re: #224 Obdicut

Ooh, either way win/win. Who can press the charges? IRS?

re: #221 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Stupid question: can a person be on a board of directors while not knowing about this? Because that will be the defense.

In any event. He was on the board of VDare regardless. And he still showed up in the 990s up until 2010. He "encouraged" Peter Brimelow at NR. He knew what was going on. That last piece about Derbyshire is revealing of his true nature.

Angry Black Lady:
Fox News Lies: Obama learned disdain for women from Marxist father

A conservative Fox News contributor insisted on Monday that President Barack Obama had a “disdain” for women that he learned from his “Marxist” father and “communist” mentor.

Fox News contributor Sandy Rios, who is vice president of the conservative political action committee Family-PAC Federal, told host Sean Hannity that Obama did not disagree with CNN contributor Hilary Rosen’s assertion that Ann Romney had “never worked a day in her life.”

“His father was a Marxist, his mentor was Marxist,” Rios explained. “The Marxist theory on women is that they should work just like men. There’s a total dripping disdain for women who stay at home and take care of their children. … This is not an accident. This is what they believe. They hold people like Ann Romney and others of us that have stayed home with our children in complete disregard and disdain.”

re: #226 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

The company has tax fraud if they declared they paid him but really didn't. If they actually paid him, then he's committed fraud.

If it's just a document stating who the officers are, it depends what office it was sent to. I'm sorry, I'm doing multiple FTP uploads right now and don't have time to look at the stuff in particular.

re: #226 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

If Brimelow, who is the sole listed "officer", is the one who submitted the docs, it would be up to the feds to charge some sort of offense, of breaking the law wrt non-profit orgs.

However, I've always had the impression that unless there are large sums of money involved then the feds just won't spend the time.

re: #229 Obdicut

Note: He's only committed fraud if he was paid and didn't declare it.

Most likely scenario, if he was paid, was he's just lying now about having resigned.

re: #125 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

You know, when you have to be nudged to be accurate every step of the way, after a while it gets pretty boring. But maybe that's just your tactic?

Yeah, it's pretty normal.

The 2010 form shows him as a director, but he was not paid. There's a zero in that column.

But it also says he spends about an hour a week at the job.

CNN contributor Dana Loesch: Women ‘get raped’ for supporting the left

CNN contributor and blogger Dana Loesch said Monday at the Tea Party Tax Day rally in Chicago that women “get raped” for supporting liberals and progressives like the “Occupy Wall Street” movement.

“What did women receive for supporting the left?” she asked the crowd. “You’ve seen it here with your Occupy movement, haven’t you? They get raped.”

re: #234 Charles Johnson

Minimum formal time I gather? Some others have the same in that table.

re: #234 Charles Johnson

Isn't that just perfunctory, as part of having to have a name down the list? I assume Brimelow needed to put something and the nominal 1 hour it is.

re: #233 Charles Johnson

Okay. So it's just either him lying about him having resigned from being a 'director', or they lied on that form. Even if they didn't pay him, it's still a fraudulent claim.

Though probably he's just lying now.

re: #178 freetoken

Hehe... Gus is part of the vast left wing McCarthyite movement.

But I thought McCarthy was right!

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re: #239 Shvaughn

But I thought McCarthy was right!

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Bam! You win the internets.

I'll also note that Brimelow is having one of his very often fund raising drives now for his site. However, if he has misrepresented the organization on the tax forms, then the organization may fail to meet the qualifications for being a non-profit, and thus the claim of "tax deductibility" on the VDARE donation page is also false.

re: #240 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Bam! You win the internets.

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re: #238 Obdicut

Okay. So it's just either him lying about him having resigned from being a 'director', or they lied on that form. Even if they didn't pay him, it's still a fraudulent claim.

Though probably he's just lying now.

That's thing. He says he "told" Brimelow that he resigned in 2007 yet he still shows up as director in the 2008, 2009, and 2010 990s. I'm looking right at them.

NRO is not firing O'Sullivan as of now. So the story still has legs. Somebody lied and it's good to push this point.

re: #243 Gus

That's thing. He says he "told" Brimelow that he resigned in 2007 yet he still shows up as director in the 2008, 2009, and 2010 990s. I'm looking right at them.

His defense will be that Brimelow did not take him off the list for some reason.

re: #245 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

His defense will be that Brimelow did not take him off the list for some reason.

Then it's his word against a 990 form. ;)

re: #213 wrenchwench

No offense intended, but I can't look fairly at the opinion of a Pinkerton guard about anything having to do with striking union members. You know the history. Yes, union bigwigs have the same rate of corruption and assholery as all other bigwigs, but I can't get past the association with things like the Everett Massacre. Yes, it was almost 100 years ago... sorry...

BTW, plant management explicitly kept us Pinkertons away from the picket lines (at least in '98, when I was there) and hired another "specialist" firm to deal with that (read between the lines what you will). We had to man CCTV cameras peppered around the inside and outside of all the plant buildings 24/7 that they had installed, but for the most part, we just did our normal duties (which included entry/exit checks of employees and freight, as well as rounds after hours).

re: #225 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge

Had I just said "guard" without the "Pinkerton" qualifier, would you have said the same thing?

And, yes, I do know quite a bit of the Pinkerton history, something that the company whitewashed and sterilized in their corporate history for decades. By the time I joined the company, Pinkerton had be thoroughly corporatized.

If I didn't already know that you used to work for Pinkerton (from some comment long ago) and you hadn't said so now, no, I would not have had the same reaction. Like I said, I can't be fair about it. And I doubt the union people you dealt with could be fair about it either. It doesn't help that Pinkerton has whitewashed their history.

From reading your comments over the years, I know you're a decent guy, and I don't think of you as a Pinkerton or an ex-Pinkerton, but when you say that you were one, and talk about working at a plant during a strike, I can't ignore the association.

I promise not to associate you with the Everett Massacre, though!

re: #246 Gus

Then it's his word against a 990 form. ;)

Well, the form is compatible with his word (that's why my first question was - can a person be on the board without knowing it). As of now, we know that either Brimelow or O'Sullivan lied/defrauded. The question is who.

re: #247 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge

Really, I hope I didn't offend you. Some associations can't be unlearned. They should have changed their name during the whitewashing.

Romney warns of 'left-wing conspiracy'

"There will be an effort by the quote vast left-wing conspiracy to work together to put out their message and to attack me," said Romney, according to CNN. "They're going to do everything they can to divert from the message people care about, which is a growing economy that creates more jobs and rising incomes. That's what people care about."

re: #251 Kragar

Romney warns of 'left-wing conspiracy'

This is all pretty standard.

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