For reference, here’s what it’s really like for a dog in a kennel strapped to the roof of a car on a freeway. Turn the volume down, because it’s very loud up there. About 120 dB.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:03:35pm |
Now imagine doing this for a couple hours....
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:04:40pm |
Can we have Mitt in a kennel and driven across country on the roof of a car just so he can show us how its no big deal?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:04:45pm |
To be fair Mitt did this when he was a boy of 40 plus. Didn't Romney laugh while telling this story back in 2007-08?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:04:51pm |
re: #1 jamesfirecat
Now imagine doing this for a couple hours...
More than a couple of hours. This was a 12 hour trip from Boston to Canada.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:05:33pm |
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b_sharp Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:06:13pm |
re: #3 Kragar
Can we have Mitt in a kennel and driven across country on the roof of a car just so he can show us how its no big deal?
As long as we can hose him off.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:06:30pm |
re: #6 Oblivious Troll
Twelve.
Try twelve...
That poor dog. Anyhow, we always had the dog in the back when I was a kid.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:07:18pm |
re: #5 Charles Johnson
More than a couple of hours. This was a 12 hour trip from Boston to Canada.
Wow, I wanted to say "6" but I was afraid that would be turn out to be an over estimation....
Guess things really are always worse than you expect them to be....
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:07:30pm |
re: #4 HappyWarrior
To be fair Mitt did this when he was a boy of 40 plus. Didn't Romney laugh while telling this story back in 2007-08?
Yeah, he did laugh, because if you don't give a shit about animals, it's actually kinda funny...at least to a guy like Romney. This is how he shows he's one of the common folks--he drove a station wagon and hosed down diarrhea. If he wins, I pity the First Dog.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:07:38pm |
re: #6 Oblivious Troll
Twelve.
Try twelve...
How many of the twelve are we wet and chilled to the bone?
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:08:57pm |
re: #6 Oblivious Troll
Twelve.
Try twelve...
Then imagine getting sick halfway through, shitting all over yourself, having Mitt Romney hose you down and then getting put back in the container for the rest of the ride wet.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:09:08pm |
That doesn't look like an airtight (coughbullshit) travel kennel like the one Mitt said they used.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:09:39pm |
re: #14 goddamnedfrank
Then imagine getting sick halfway through, shitting all over yourself, having Mitt Romney hose you down and then getting put back in the container for the rest of the ride wet.
Seems like one hell of a wind chill.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:10:21pm |
re: #11 palomino
Yeah, he did laugh, because if you don't give a shit about animals, it's actually kinda funny...at least to a guy like Romney. This is how he shows he's one of the common folks--he drove a station wagon and hosed down diarrhea. If he wins, I pity the First Dog.
He's such a prick.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:10:55pm |
The thing to learn about Mitt here is an uncaring nature for the plight of those under his control. Things terribly important happen in a Presidents term. How much uncaring can we afford?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:11:57pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:12:18pm |
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:12:35pm |
re: #16 Oblivious Troll
Seems like one hell of a wind chill.
And I don't care if they patted him down with towels, an Irish Setter's coat takes hours to fully dry out.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:13:34pm |
re: #18 Daniel Ballard
The thing to learn about Mitt here is an uncaring nature for the plight of those under his control. Things terribly important happen in a Presidents term. How much uncaring can we afford?
Uncaring may be better. It allows one to act without emotion, focusing on results not feelings.
/playing devil's advocate here
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Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:14:05pm |
I wish this issue would go away and we stick to matters that are verifiable, and there are plenty of those.
My understanding is that the "kennel" was shielded from wind and I'm prepared to accept that without evidence to the contrary. For all I know the dog had diarrhea before they left, and nobody can say different.
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b_sharp Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:14:22pm |
re: #21 goddamnedfrank
And I don't care if they patted him down with towels, an Irish Setter's coat takes hours to fully dry out.
It takes hours to dry using a hot air drier.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:14:39pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:15:21pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:17:16pm |
re: #22 Dark_Falcon
Uncaring may be better. It allows one to act without emotion, focusing on results not feelings.
/playing devil's advocate here
Why is wet, frightened incontinent dog on the roof of your car a desirable result?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:18:17pm |
If Mitt Romney came out and said something like, "Boy, did I ever make a mistake. I learned an important lesson about caring, and I'll never do anything like that again," I'd be praising him tonight.
Instead, he's trying to claim, through his wife, that the dog actually enjoyed this trip.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:18:21pm |
re: #27 jamesfirecat
Why is wet, frightened incontinent dog on the roof of your car a desirable result?
Don't ask me, I don't even know what this meme is or how it got started.
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erik_t Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:19:11pm |
re: #23 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
I wish this issue would go away and we stick to matters that are verifiable, and there are plenty of those.
My understanding is that the "kennel" was shielded from wind and I'm prepared to accept that without evidence to the contrary. For all I know the dog had diarrhea before they left, and nobody can say different.
For that matter, it doesn't tell us anything that we don't already know -- sympathizing with the plight of the less fortunate is not exactly Romneybot's strong suit.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:20:00pm |
Sort of an extreme way to demonstrate you don't want dog hair messing up the interior of your car.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:20:05pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
I think this is the "who let the dogs out" video you were searching for.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:21:40pm |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
Don't ask me, I don't even know what this meme is or how it got started.
The "meme" is that Mitt Romney strapped a dog/ the dog's kennel to the roof of his car for a 12 hour drive. When the dog shits itself in terror halfway through Romney's response is to pull into a gas station spray down the dog/kennel with a hose then put it right back up there for the rest of the ride.
And it got started when Romney admitted the story to the press trying to use it as an example of what a decisive decission maker he is...
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:21:49pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
If Mitt Romney came out and said something like, "Boy, did I ever make a mistake. I learned an important lesson about caring, and I'll never do anything like that again," I'd be praising him tonight.
Instead, he's trying to claim, through his wife, that the dog actually enjoyed this trip.
Well he really has worked hard to create this image of himself as a guy who only cares about himself. You're exactly right, Charles. If he had used this story as a lesson, I highly doubt many people would criticize him for it. Certainly some would but it would make him look like he had an ounce of humanity in him and I guess Mitt thinks showing that means he's showing weakness. It's kind of sad really.
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b_sharp Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:22:17pm |
re: #31 jaunte
Sort of an extreme way to demonstrate you don't want dog hair messing up the interior of your car.
That's why pet hair vacuum cleaners were invented.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:23:02pm |
re: #22 Dark_Falcon
Uncaring may be better. It allows one to act without emotion, focusing on results not feelings.
/playing devil's advocate here
Yes, what we need is a president who just doesn't give a damn about anybody. Brilliant idea!
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:23:26pm |
re: #23 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
My understanding is that the "kennel" was shielded from wind and I'm prepared to accept that without evidence to the contrary. For all I know the dog had diarrhea before they left, and nobody can say different.
It seems axiomatic that if the crate wasn't liquid shit spill proofed then it was definitely capable of letting the wind in. Also, only an asshole would put any dog, especially a sick on on the roof of their car.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:25:34pm |
re: #22 Dark_Falcon
Uncaring may be better. It allows one to act without emotion, focusing on results not feelings.
/playing devil's advocate here
We had that already. It was called the Nixon administration. Ultimately not a huge success.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:26:23pm |
I need to try this with my cat, on the Veterans Expressway (toll road) I can easily hit 90 mph in some sections for miles without any fear of a ticket. Hmm...then again I'm not all that fond of getting stitches and removing him from his travel crate afterwords would likely involve gaining some...
//
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Mocking Jay Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:27:07pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
If Mitt Romney came out and said something like, "Boy, did I ever make a mistake. I learned an important lesson about caring, and I'll never do anything like that again," I'd be praising him tonight.
Instead, he's trying to claim, through his wife, that the dog actually enjoyed this trip.
Heh. Actually...
Romney, when asked whether he would repeat his actions during the family vacation, said he wouldn’t, “certainly not with the attention it’s received.”
What he's learned is that it provides him with terrible political optics, so he would not do that again. You know, he's running for office for Pete's sake... That's what he learned.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:27:26pm |
Though I am sure most of you already saw this, the Swedish Government is in its 2nd huge scandal of the year:
Swedish culture minister Lena Adelsohn Liljeroth is urged to resign after being photographed at Moderna Museet in Stockholm cutting a slice from a cake in the shape of the naked torso of an African tribal woman filled with blood-red sponge.
DF, I have nothing. You say something.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:28:38pm |
Tastes like dog
Image: xlarge_mittromneyfried_ap.jpg
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:28:43pm |
re: #40 Oblivious Troll
Heh. Actually...
What he's learned is that it provides him with terrible political optics, so he would not do that again. You know, he's running for office for Pete's sake... That's what he learned.
Exactly, he learned the same "lesson" when it comes to hiring illegal immigrants to do your gardening. What a robot.
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:29:32pm |
re: #40 Oblivious Troll
Heh. Actually...
What he's learned is that it provides him with terrible political optics, so he would not do that again. You know, he's running for office for Pete's sake... That's what he learned.
Would he refuse to repeat the incident because it was inhumane and deplorable?
Nah, he'd refuse because doing it once made him look bad. Yegods.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:29:55pm |
Romney has already come under considerable fire from animal rights groups over the Seamus incident. ''They're not happy that my dog loves fresh air,'' Romney snapped back.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:29:57pm |
This was the first scandal, and forced the Defense Minister to resign.
On March 6, 2012 Tolgfors received negative attention in the way he dealt with the issue concerning the so-called Project Simoom. Later the same day Tolgfors was registered by Gustav Fridolin to Constitution Committee on plans for a weapons factory in Saudi Arabia.
On March 29, 2012 Tolgfors resigned due of his way to treat this.
This is project Simoom:
Project Simoom is the name of a controversial joint secret project involving Swedish government agency Swedish Defence Research Agency (Totalförsvarets forskningsinstitut or FOI) and Saudi Arabia to create an advanced weapons factory in Saudi Arabia. Documents and details about the project was revealed to the public on 7 March 2012 by Swedish public radio broadcaster Sveriges Radio (SR). The project has been heavily criticized for constituting a possible breach of Swedish arms trade laws, and for its secretive nature. The actions of the Swedish Defence Research Agency and the Swedish government in connection with Project Simoom have also received criticism.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:30:32pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Tastes like dog
Image: xlarge_mittromneyfried_ap.jpg
I'm guessing Romney tastes like chicken...the whitest part of the chicken.
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erik_t Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:30:52pm |
re: #43 palomino
Exactly, he learned the same "lesson" when it comes to hiring illegal immigrants to do your gardening. What a robot.
It bears repeating: for someone who panders so shamelessly, plays political odds so transparently, and has been practicing for a general election since some voters were in elementary school, he's really bad at it. Like, really really bad.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:31:12pm |
re: #43 palomino
Exactly, he learned the same "lesson" when it comes to hiring illegal immigrants to do your gardening. What a robot.
Maybe he's got some autism in him. One of the symptoms is lacking empathy with other people. Note I am not saying that autism= bad, shit as many of you know I have Asperger's Syndrome myself but there's just something different about Mitt. And by the way, I think even Nixon had more humanity than Mitt shows. The Checkers speech showed a human side and when you read his memoirs and he talks about how hard it him to lose two brothers from TB. Not defending his paranoia but I see Nixon's humanity more than I do Romney's.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:32:02pm |
re: #45 jaunte
Romney has already come under considerable fire from animal rights groups over the Seamus incident. ''They're not happy that my dog loves fresh air,'' Romney snapped back.
What a tool.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:32:15pm |
re: #48 erik_t
It bears repeating: for someone who panders so shamelessly, plays political odds so transparently, and has been practicing for a general election since some voters were in elementary school, he's really bad at it. Like, really really bad.
Uh huh. He's as bad at this game as Bill Clinton was good.
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Olsonist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:32:32pm |
I'm in an argument about Breivik and Geller. Can some kind Lizard point me to some relevant LGF articles linking the two? I'm bandwidth challenged just now.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:33:09pm |
re: #49 HappyWarrior
Maybe he's got some autism in him. One of the symptoms is lacking empathy with other people. Note I am not saying that autism= bad, shit as many of you know I have Asperger's Syndrome myself but there's just something different about Mitt. And by the way, I think even Nixon had more humanity than Mitt shows. The Checkers speech showed a human side and when you read his memoirs and he talks about how hard it him to lose two brothers from TB. Not defending his paranoia but I see Nixon's humanity more than I do Romney's.
Definitely, and I agree fully with the last part. No one ever mistook Nixon for an automaton or a laboratory creation.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:33:15pm |
re: #51 Oblivious Troll
Uh huh. He's as bad at this game as Bill Clinton was good.
Yes,
Bill: My fellow Americans, I feel your pain
Romney: My fellow Americans I've never felt pain before and you know what you shouldn't either.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:33:56pm |
re: #50 HappyWarrior
The dog obviously volunteered to be up there; it's just unfair to blame Mitt!
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Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:33:58pm |
I agree that Romney, who is responsible for us knowing of this event, has mangled the response; but I also think that it means nothing to those who support him (same mindset) so it amounts only to fun for his opponents, us, and by making it front and center makes it seem that this is all we got.
He has mangled many other responses, like Nugent, that can have a much more real effect.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:34:41pm |
re: #38 palomino
We had that already. It was called the Nixon administration. Ultimately not a huge success.
Though it would have been if Nixon had just hung the Watergate 'plumbers' out to dry instead.
And Nixon wasn't without emotion, he just did not know how to relate to most people. Interestingly, NBC's Brian Williams recently dug up the fact that one case where Nixon did relate easily was in 1970, when a PR stunt on the importance of saving fuel lead him to be the last president to fly on a commercial airliner on a DC to Cali. flight.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:34:58pm |
re: #52 Olsonist
I would say to go back in the archives, and look at the articles from that time period. Start with 7/22, and go a week or 2 forward.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:35:20pm |
re: #53 palomino
Definitely, and I agree fully with the last part. No one ever mistook Nixon for an automaton or a laboratory creation.
Shakespeare himself couldn't have written a better tragedy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:35:40pm |
re: #23 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
I wish this issue would go away and we stick to matters that are verifiable, and there are plenty of those.
My understanding is that the "kennel" was shielded from wind and I'm prepared to accept that without evidence to the contrary. For all I know the dog had diarrhea before they left, and nobody can say different.
Yeah, tell it to Gail Collins.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:36:23pm |
re: #41 ProGunLiberal
Though I am sure most of you already saw this, the Swedish Government is in its 2nd huge scandal of the year:
DF, I have nothing. You say something.
Silly, stupid? I ain't got much else.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:36:50pm |
You know, I've eaten a cow, but if I found out someone strapped one to the roof of a car till it shat itself in fear, I'd still be disgusted
— Jess Zimmerman (@j_zimms) April 18, 2012
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:36:50pm |
re: #33 jamesfirecat
The "meme" is that Mitt Romney strapped a dog/ the dog's kennel to the roof of his car for a 12 hour drive. When the dog shits itself in terror halfway through Romney's response is to pull into a gas station spray down the dog/kennel with a hose then put it right back up there for the rest of the ride.
And it got started when Romney admitted the story to the press trying to use it as an example of what a decisive decission maker he is...
Which baffles me, because even if you don't think what he did was wrong, I don't know how 'decisive' you have to be to hose shit off your car. This isn't exactly a great moment in problem solving.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:36:59pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Or if Nixon hadn't been paranoid in the first place. He was going to do okay at the election, why jeopardize it with a blatantly illegal action.
I do feel sympathy for him though. He likely had some disorder, considering how paranoid he was.
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erik_t Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:37:17pm |
re: #54 HappyWarrior
Yes,
Bill: My fellow Americans, I feel your pain
Romney: My fellow Americans I've never felt pain before and you know what you shouldn't either.
Meat-organisms who are exceptionally American and are just the right height, my pain subprocessor may have operated with slightly different settings than yours, but rest assured it has regularly operated at peak capacity, just as yours.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:39:08pm |
re: #61 Dark_Falcon
Let me send you a link with a picture. Your jaw will fall off.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:39:26pm |
re: #49 HappyWarrior
Maybe he's got some autism in him. One of the symptoms is lacking empathy with other people. Note I am not saying that autism= bad, shit as many of you know I have Asperger's Syndrome myself but there's just something different about Mitt.
Test for Psychopathy. Mitt hits some of the early traits hard.
1 Glib and Superficial Charm
2 Grandiose Self-Worth
4 Pathological Lying
6 Lack of Remorse or Guilt
7 Shallow Affect
8 Callousness and Lack of Empathy
However I don't think he's a psychopath because he scores zeros on the second half of the test.
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:40:24pm |
re: #54 HappyWarrior
Yes,
Bill: My fellow Americans, I feel your pain
Romney: My fellow Americans I've never felt pain before and you know what you shouldn't either.
Romney: Pain.exe not found. Empathy.exe not found. Please insert Windows CD into drive and press any key.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:40:40pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
Which baffles me, because even if you don't think what he did was wrong, I don't know how 'decisive' you have to be to hose shit off your car. This isn't exactly a great moment in problem solving.
It's sort of the opposite of problem solving.
Problem: the dog strapped to the car roof shit itself in terror.
?Solution?: hose down the dog and cage, keep going with the dog still in the cage, able to again shit itself in terror.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:41:55pm |
re: #49 HappyWarrior
Maybe he's got some autism in him. One of the symptoms is lacking empathy with other people. Note I am not saying that autism= bad, shit as many of you know I have Asperger's Syndrome myself but there's just something different about Mitt. And by the way, I think even Nixon had more humanity than Mitt shows. The Checkers speech showed a human side and when you read his memoirs and he talks about how hard it him to lose two brothers from TB. Not defending his paranoia but I see Nixon's humanity more than I do Romney's.
I think the word you want is, clinically speaking, psychopath.
Crazy and frightening - and real, in about 4 percent of the population....
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:43:12pm |
re: #71 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
I think the word you want is, clinically speaking, psychopath.
Crazy and frightening - and real, in about 4 percent of the population...
What is the difference betwen a psychopath and a sociopath?
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Mocking Jay Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:43:22pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:43:37pm |
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:43:55pm |
re: #49 HappyWarrior
I could believe that today, Nixon would be diagnosed with Autism.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:44:00pm |
re: #71 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
I think the word you want is, clinically speaking, psychopath.
Crazy and frightening - and real, in about 4 percent of the population...
Psycho? Man I don't want to armchair diagnose him but there's just something off about the guy. I mean it's not his party or ideology since I could see likable things about Bush, McCain, Huckabee, and even Santorum at least when I saw him with his little girl. I almost feel kind of bad for Mitt for not being able to show anything resembling humanity.
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EdDantes Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:44:31pm |
Dogs don't like to be in a kennel on the freeway on top of a car. Trust me. I didn't like it is a child.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:44:54pm |
re: #76 HappyWarrior
Psycho? Man I don't want to armchair diagnose him but there's just something off about the guy. I mean it's not his party or ideology since I could see likable things about Bush, McCain, Huckabee, and even Santorum at least when I saw him with his little girl. I almost feel kind of bad for Mitt for not being able to show anything resembling humanity.
OCD to the extreme, which is a form of Anxiety disorder. This can also include Paranoia.
Untreated it can be horrible to the individual and those around them.
Combine it with superior intellectual abilities and a religious upbringing that stresses personal responsibility and you get a person with a LOT OF GUILT.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:45:12pm |
re: #76 HappyWarrior
Psycho? Man I don't want to armchair diagnose him but there's just something off about the guy. I mean it's not his party or ideology since I could see likable things about Bush, McCain, Huckabee, and even Santorum at least when I saw him with his little girl. I almost feel kind of bad for Mitt for not being able to show anything resembling humanity.
Even his father seemed more likable from what I've seen of the man.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:45:12pm |
re: #75 ProGunLiberal
I could believe that today, Nixon would be diagnosed with Autism.
I have heard some say he may have Asperger's. I dunno. I doubt it but that's because I have this conception of people with Asperger's as being terrible public speakers but I use myself always as the measuring stick and you know as I do that Asperger's impacts each individual differently.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:45:55pm |
re: #72 ggt
What is the difference betwen a psychopath and a sociopath?
I believe sociopath is one unable to communicate socially, whereas psychopaths are very good at it. Both may have the same underlying "don't give a shit" attitude however.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:45:57pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Though it would have been if Nixon had just hung the Watergate 'plumbers' out to dry instead.
And Nixon wasn't without emotion, he just did not know how to relate to most people. Interestingly, NBC's Brian Williams recently dug up the fact that one case where Nixon did relate easily was in 1970, when a PR stunt on the importance of saving fuel lead him to be the last president to fly on a commercial airliner on a DC to Cali. flight.
It's pretty bad when we're comparing a guy negatively to Nixon, and not on brain power or leadership skills, but on human emotions like empathy.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:46:45pm |
re: #72 ggt
What is the difference betwen a psychopath and a sociopath?
The difference is that sociopaths are indifferent to the suffering they cause, whereas psychopaths actively enjoy the suffering them inflict. So it might be possible to say Mitt Romney acts in a sociopathic manner at times (though to be fair so do I), but unlike a psychopath he does not enjoy hurting people.
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McSpiff Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:47:09pm |
re: #76 HappyWarrior
Psycho? Man I don't want to armchair diagnose him but there's just something off about the guy. I mean it's not his party or ideology since I could see likable things about Bush, McCain, Huckabee, and even Santorum at least when I saw him with his little girl. I almost feel kind of bad for Mitt for not being able to show anything resembling humanity.
Works for Steven Harper here in Canada...
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:47:20pm |
First Baptist Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress -- who last year called Mormonism a "cult" -- has apparently set aside his concerns to back Mitt Romney.
[Link: trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:47:26pm |
re: #72 ggt
What is the difference betwen a psychopath and a sociopath?
IIRC, nothing. Psychopathy is equivalent to sociopathy, and both are now seen as a subset of behaviors of antisocial personality disorder.
Nixon was definitely a Cluster A.
Antisocial is Cluster B.
I don't see Mitt as having the symptoms, though.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:47:59pm |
re: #76 HappyWarrior
I mean it's not his party or ideology since I could see likable things about Bush, McCain, Huckabee, and even Santorum at least when I saw him with his little girl. I almost feel kind of bad for Mitt for not being able to show anything resembling humanity.
Yeah, he's too cool. Bush - I could see doing a bbq with him. McCain - probably a decent conversation, likewise with Huckabee. Santorum - well, I suppose I could stop by on Christmas and find some good cookies to snack on for an hour or so.
But the Romney's are so distant from that with which I can connect, that I can't see (projection) many people motivated to turn out and vote.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:49:17pm |
re: #83 Dark_Falcon
The difference is that sociopaths are indifferent to the suffering they cause, whereas psychopaths actively enjoy the suffering them inflict. So it might be possible to say Mitt Romney acts in a sociopathic manner at times (though to be fair so do I), but unlike a psychopath he does not enjoy hurting people.
I'm not sure that psychopaths, except in the movies, enjoy inflicting suffering for its own sake. What they enjoy is being able to gain what they want, without suffering a conscience.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:50:09pm |
I once ate a bug. But I was six. And now I can never run for president.
— Roger Simon (@politicoroger) April 18, 2012
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prairiefire Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:51:08pm |
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:52:01pm |
re: #72 ggt
What is the difference betwen a psychopath and a sociopath?
It has a lot to do with the background of the person doing the profiling, kind of an ontological Rorschach test. The best current view I've heard explained by an expert is that psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made. The difference seems kind of like bullshit though because environment obviously plays a role in both, since many elements of the psychopath test rely on personal history and conversely sociopathy is often related to certain innate characteristics like extremely low and high intelligence.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:52:21pm |
Why (Some) Psychopaths Make Great CEOs
There are absolutes in psychopathy and the main absolute is a literal absence of empathy. It’s just not there. In higher-scoring psychopaths, what grows in the vacant field where that empathy should be is a joy in manipulating people, a lack of remorse, a lack of guilt. If you’ve got a little bit of empathy, you’re kind of not a psychopath.
(Not diagnosing Mitt, mind you.)
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prairiefire Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:53:27pm |
re: #87 freetoken
Yeah, he's too cool. Bush - I could see doing a bbq with him. McCain - probably a decent conversation, likewise with Huckabee. Santorum - well, I suppose I could stop by on Christmas and find some good cookies to snack on for an hour or so.
But the Romney's are so distant from that with which I can connect, that I can't see (projection) many people motivated to turn out and vote.
Yeah, but you are a guy. These patriarchal types would not give my nerdy liberal type gal the time of day. Well, maybe the time of day, but they would not ask me to the bbq.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:53:53pm |
re: #93 Oblivious Troll
Why (Some) Psychopaths Make Great CEOs
(Not diagnosing Mitt, mind you.)
It's important not to try to diagnose from a distance, true. Barry Goldwater was wronged in that way in 1964.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:53:53pm |
Mitt seems a lot like some of the wealthy people I knew when growing up. Not getting dog hair in the car, or not smelling the dog, would be supremely important. The dog's comfort, not important at all.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:54:09pm |
re: #87 freetoken
Yeah, he's too cool. Bush - I could see doing a bbq with him. McCain - probably a decent conversation, likewise with Huckabee. Santorum - well, I suppose I could stop by on Christmas and find some good cookies to snack on for an hour or so.
But the Romney's are so distant from that with which I can connect, that I can't see (projection) many people motivated to turn out and vote.
He just never really shows a human side to him and when he does, he just comes off more out of touch. It's certainly not his wealth. Although I am not wealthy, I could relate with a family like the Kennedies because they had this image of this warm and connected family. My extended family reminds me of that.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:54:51pm |
re: #87 freetoken
Yeah, he's too cool. Bush - I could see doing a bbq with him. McCain - probably a decent conversation, likewise with Huckabee. Santorum - well, I suppose I could stop by on Christmas and find some good cookies to snack on for an hour or so.
But the Romney's are so distant from that with which I can connect, that I can't see (projection) many people motivated to turn out and vote.
I'll try to find a link, but recent polls back up your impressions. 75% of those who support Obama say they will be affirmatively voting FOR him. OTOH, 65% of Romney supporters will be voting AGAINST Obama. This does mesh with the poli sci conventional wisdom that reelections are referenda on the president. But the gulf in numbers is so huge that there's probably more to it.
Indeed, the polls show Obama leading on all character traits and qualities except one (and it happens to be a biggie). He and Mitt are essentially tied when it comes to the question of who's more capable of fixing the economy. Other than that, Mitt wouldn't have much of a chance. As it is, he's in the thick of the race because Obama didn't miraculously fix an unfixable economy.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:55:39pm |
re: #94 prairiefire
Yeah, but you are a guy. These patriarchal types would not give my nerdy liberal type gal the time of day. Well, maybe the time of day, but they would not ask me to the bbq.
Bush would, since he's a fairly laid back kind of guy. McCain likely would, but his BBQ would have a lot of retired service men and women and I don't know how at home you'd be in that crowd. I myself would feel inadequate.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:56:53pm |
re: #98 palomino
I'll try to find a link, but recent polls back up your impressions. 75% of those who support Obama say they will be affirmatively voting FOR him. OTOH, 65% of Romney supporters will be voting AGAINST Obama. This does mesh with the poli sci conventional wisdom that reelections are referenda on the president. But the gulf in numbers is so huge that there's probably more to it.
Indeed, the polls show Obama leading on all character traits and qualities except one (and it happens to be a biggie). He and Mitt are essentially tied when it comes to the question of who's more capable of fixing the economy. Other than that, Mitt wouldn't have much of a chance. As it is, he's in the thick of the race because Obama didn't miraculously fix an unfixable economy.
I saw this too. I honestly think he gets too much credit from voters on economics issues. I won't call the man economically illiterate but his proposed policies are more of the same that we've been hearing since the 1980's. Also, I think the only issue he leads on within the economy is controllign the debt. Obama has him beat on controlling unemployment.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:57:46pm |
re: #98 palomino
As it is, he's in the thick of the race because Obama didn't miraculously fix an unfixable economy.
Which illustrates the ignorance of the GOP electorate, since they think, and the candidates pretend, that the president is an absolute ruler.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:58:22pm |
re: #94 prairiefire
Yeah, but you are a guy. These patriarchal types would not give my nerdy liberal type gal the time of day. Well, maybe the time of day, but they would not ask me to the bbq.
Well, they would need someone to cut the cabbage for the coleslaw and then wash the dishes afterwards.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:58:44pm |
re: #100 Oblivious Troll
I hear Huckabee throws a bad-ass BBQ.
And his buddy Ted Nugent kills, skins, butchers and grills all the meat!
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:58:48pm |
Most important question tonight: why did Bill Ayers include the dog-eating passage when he must know Islam forbids it?— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) April 18, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:59:03pm |
re: #100 Oblivious Troll
I hear Huckabee throws a bad-ass BBQ.
I think the food would be good at that one but there would be no beer. Anyhow, maybe it's the placebo effect of my oldest uncle telling me that he was the first candidate he gave money to but Joe Biden reminds me of my uncles. Smart and aware of the world around him but down to earth. If I hadn't known he was a teetottler, Biden would be "the candidate I'd have a beer with." Obama seems like a neat guy too and I liked finding out he was on the right side of the Guinness question.
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prairiefire Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:59:49pm |
re: #99 Dark_Falcon
Bush would, since he's a fairly laid back kind of guy. McCain likely would, but his BBQ would have a lot of retired service men and women and I don't know how at home you'd be in that crowd. I myself would feel inadequate.
I think I would be at home with retired service men and women. I think I am expressing a snap judgement opinion on their part, which to be fair, anyone can be capable of. (myself included)
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prairiefire Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:00:58pm |
re: #103 freetoken
Well, they would need someone to cut the cabbage for the coleslaw and then wash the dishes afterwards.
Wow, I can't believe how fast my finger flew up. Talk about snap judgements!!!
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Mocking Jay Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:01:00pm |
re: #106 HappyWarrior
I think the food would be good at that one but there would be no beer. Anyhow, maybe it's the placebo effect of my oldest uncle telling me that he was the first candidate he gave money to but Joe Biden reminds me of my uncles. Smart and aware of the world around him but down to earth. If I hadn't known he was a teetottler, Biden would be "the candidate I'd have a beer with." Obama seems like a neat guy too and I liked finding out he was on the right side of the Guinness question.
Meh. Guiness.
Though I enjoy a nice Black & Tan from time to time.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:01:40pm |
re: #101 HappyWarrior
I saw this too. I honestly think he gets too much credit from voters on economics issues. I won't call the man economically illiterate but his proposed policies are more of the same that we've been hearing since the 1980's. Also, I think the only issue he leads on within the economy is controllign the debt. Obama has him beat on controlling unemployment.
He thinks the Ryan budget is just mahhhvelous. Even though it doesn't come close to adding up. You simply can't cut taxes, increase military spending AND balance the budget...at least not without gutting the rest of govt spending.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:02:06pm |
re: #105 Gus
It's taquiyya! Obama didn't really eat dog, he threw that in to make us think he's not really a Muslim!!!
OMGG!!!
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:02:31pm |
re: #110 palomino
And even with gutting the rest of the spending, it still adds up to deficit-land.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:02:36pm |
related: what it's like to be a working American in a Republican state
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:02:48pm |
re: #105 Gus
Because the "Evvvill Conspiracy" always has to make a mistake that lets the Good guys swoop in and save the day. It's part of the Guide to Writing Bad Political Fiction.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:02:52pm |
re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist
It's taquiyya! Obama didn't really eat dog, he threw that in to make us think he's not really a Muslim!!!
OMGG!!!
Ha!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:03:29pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:03:43pm |
re: #110 palomino
He thinks the Ryan budget is just mahhhvelous. Even though it doesn't come close to adding up. You simply can't cut taxes, increase military spending AND balance the budget...at least not without gutting the rest of govt spending.
Exactly. I think deep down he knows it's a load of shit but he wants this job so bad that he panders to whatever he thinks is popular. I really think that if there were a strong social democratic tradition in this country that Mitt would have pandered to that at one point in his career because he thinks the answer is telling people what they want to hear and then when that position becomes unpopular turning on it and acting like it never happened.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:05:38pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:08:06pm |
So, I try to sleep last night.
I have Old Man Dog on my left, diagonally between my husband and I, with his head on my pillow, muzzle right up next to my nose. My left arm is intertwined with his legs.
Princess Dog is on her back, also between us.
Brat Puppy is on my other side, with enough room to be sure he doesn't fall off. My right arm is pinned under the covers.
Together, we 4 take up about 3/5 of a king-sized bed.
Old Man Dog starts dreaming. Legs shaking, dream muffled barking in my ear. I try moving my arm to scratch his ears to calm him in his sleep and he shakes his head in that dream state to get rid of the fly or whatever is bothering his head.
Then he starts running faster and barking with more furor. That muffled, dream bark is plenty loud when it is next to you on the pillow.
THEN hubby starts to sleep mumble "Old Man, it's ok. Old Man! It's fine. OLD MAN, THAT IS ENOUGH!"
I have to get up in 4 hours. I lay there, pinned into about a 5th of the bed, unable to move anything but my left arm and think:
"My life could be so much worse."
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:08:22pm |
re: #118 HappyWarrior
Exactly. I think deep down he knows it's a load of shit but he wants this job so bad that he panders to whatever he thinks is popular. I really think that if there were a strong social democratic tradition in this country that Mitt would have pandered to that at one point in his career because he thinks the answer is telling people what they want to hear and then when that position becomes unpopular turning on it and acting like it never happened.
Yes, not only has Mitt been running non-stop for 5 years, but since we're talking psychoanalysis there just might be some unresolved daddy issues that compel him to run. His father was a competent GOP prez candidate in 1968; he later became a punch line because of his unfortunate comments on Vietnam. (He said, "I was brainwashed" when trying to explain his earlier positions on Nam, which he had changed.)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:11:01pm |
re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist
IIRC, nothing. Psychopathy is equivalent to sociopathy, and both are now seen as a subset of behaviors of antisocial personality disorder.
Nixon was definitely a Cluster A.
Antisocial is Cluster B.
I don't see Mitt as having the symptoms, though.
I have a hard time seeing Nixon as one of those personality disorders because I think he truly loved Pat and the girls. I tend to see him more of a depression/anxiety disorder combined with high intelligence and the stress of the reality of the time. He was definitely an introvert as well.
Needless to say, a lot of individuals and the country would have been better off if they had access to the mental health treatment we have today.
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EdDantes Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:11:52pm |
re: #114 jaunte
Wow, indeed. Hubble was worth every dime. I hope we continue to put telescopes up there.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:13:33pm |
re: #121 palomino
Yes, not only has Mitt been running non-stop for 5 years, but since we're talking psychoanalysis there just might be some unresolved daddy issues that compel him to run. His father was a competent GOP prez candidate in 1968; he later became a punch line because of his unfortunate comments on Vietnam. (He said, "I was brainwashed" when trying to explain his earlier positions on Nam, which he had changed.)
I find his Dad interesting because of the likely chance his Dad and my grandfather probably met at one point. He was a NLRB man and George Romney as you know probably was an auto exec. The strangest story I've ever read about Mitt is reading that he actually protested in favor of the draft during Vietnam and then went to France and did his mission. That just strikes me as a good summary of the kind of guy I think Mitt is.
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prairiefire Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:13:36pm |
I was reading in Time magazine that President Clinton said he called up Nixon several times, late at night, to discuss things. Clinton has a letter from Nixon from a bit before Nixon died that means a lot to him.
Sleep tight, Lizards!
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:17:05pm |
Barack Obama: The 50 facts you might not know
6:50PM GMT 07 Nov 2008
He ate dog meat, snake meat, and roasted grasshopper while living in Indonesia
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:17:52pm |
Mitt says he was brainwashed?
Does that mean that HE is the manchurian candidate?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:18:07pm |
re: #122 ggt
I have a hard time seeing Nixon as one of those personality disorders because I think he truly loved Pat and the girls. I tend to see him more of a depression/anxiety disorder combined with high intelligence and the stress of the reality of the time. He was definitely an introvert as well.
Needless to say, a lot of individuals and the country would have been better off if they had access to the mental health treatment we have today.
Paranoid personality disorder doesn't mean that a person is unable to have genuine emotional attachments, but an axiety disorder's also possible. All I know of the man is his public actions and persona, and some general information about him.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:18:24pm |
re: #124 HappyWarrior
I find his Dad interesting because of the likely chance his Dad and my grandfather probably met at one point. He was a NLRB man and George Romney as you know probably was an auto exec. The strangest story I've ever read about Mitt is reading that he actually protested in favor of the draft during Vietnam and then went to France and did his mission. That just strikes me as a good summary of the kind of guy I think Mitt is.
You'd think the Romney legacy would help Mitt in Michigan. But after he basically told Detroit to go bankrupt and die, I don't think his chances there are great, in spite of a bad economy.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:18:26pm |
Top 10 Interesting Facts About Barack Obama
May 19, 2008
He was born in Honolulu, Hawaii but went to live in Indonesia with his mum when the parents divorced. There he was introduced to dog meat, snake meat, and roasted grasshopper.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:19:31pm |
re: #127 ggt
Mitt says he was brainwashed?
Does that mean that HE is the manchurian candidate?
His father said that about earlier views he'd had about the Vietnam War.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:19:51pm |
re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist
Paranoid personality disorder doesn't mean that a person is unable to have genuine emotional attachments, but an axiety disorder's also possible. All I know of the man is his public actions and persona, and some general information about him.
I've actually developed a compassion for both he and LBJ since I've been reading more and more.
I am certainly more cognizant of the importance of mental health treatment and overall health.
I've also learned they had some real reasons to be fearful --compounded by their own illness made the the paranoia inevitable.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:20:08pm |
re: #130 Gus
Top 10 Interesting Facts About Barack Obama
May 19, 2008
Clearly, this was a very well-kept secret.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:20:53pm |
re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist
Paranoid personality disorder doesn't mean that a person is unable to have genuine emotional attachments, but an axiety disorder's also possible. All I know of the man is his public actions and persona, and some general information about him.
I was thinking of sociopathy, people without conscience --see other's as things.
I don't see that in Nixon.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:21:06pm |
re: #131 jaunte
Obama ate David Carradine!
But Bill's code name was "Snake Charmer", not "Snake Meat"!
/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:22:31pm |
I always get the impression that MItt is some sort of "Ken Doll" wannabe.
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:22:49pm |
re: #127 ggt
Mitt says he was brainwashed?
Does that mean that HE is the manchurian candidate?
Just be careful you don't show him the Queen of Diamonds.
/(geek moment)
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:24:37pm |
re: #129 palomino
You'd think the Romney legacy would help Mitt in Michigan. But after he basically told Detroit to go bankrupt and die, I don't think his chances there are great, in spite of a bad economy.
In that way, I think he'd be even weaker in Santorum in the rust belt.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:26:34pm |
re: #135 ggt
I was thinking of sociopathy, people without conscience --see other's as things.
I don't see that in Nixon.
No, I wouldn't say that Nixon was a sociopath at all. Antisocial is only one of a big bunch of personality disorders.
My favorite antisocial personality disorder story comes from a therapist who describes a very, very troubled young man sitting down in his office, and telling his parents with tears in his eyes how sorry he was for the pain he'd caused them, how he wanted to try again, and begging them for the chance to live at home.
His parents were in tears, holding him. The therapist started to slowly, dramatically, applaud.
The parent turn on the therapist...what's the matter with you?
The kid grins at the therapist and says, "It was worth a try."
Most interesting sociopath fact--in prison populations, a much higher percentage of white guys test as sociopaths than black guys.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:28:14pm |
My favorite assignment so far in my MFT classes--diagnosing Charlie Sheen from that famous interview.
The professor told us: "Obviously there's a lot going on here, so try to just focus on the bipolar."
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:30:54pm |
re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I wouldn't say that Nixon was a sociopath at all. Antisocial is only one of a big bunch of personality disorders.
My favorite antisocial personality disorder story comes from a therapist who describes a very, very troubled young man sitting down in his office, and telling his parents with tears in his eyes how sorry he was for the pain he'd caused them, how he wanted to try again, and begging them for the chance to live at home.
His parents were in tears, holding him. The therapist started to slowly, dramatically, applaud.
The parent turn on the therapist...what's the matter with you?
The kid grins at the therapist and says, "It was worth a try."
Most interesting sociopath fact--in prison populations, a much higher percentage of white guys test as sociopaths than black guys.
So basically sociopaths could be said to be master manipulators of other people and their emotions. Yeah I don't see that in Nixon either. I think he was a troubled man with an inferiority complex. I also think he was haunted by what happened with his brothers.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:31:00pm |
I just read an epic smackdown of The Atlantic that I just have to share:
Another Internet Terrorologist(*) in the Thpenther Ackerman mode is vewwy vewwy upset that he doesn't have better visibility into the Abbotabad raid that whacked Bin Laden. No word on whether he's packing his backpack and running away to join the thircus. On the other hand, we can take it to the bank that he's not running away to join the Army (or Marines or SEALs). Or even the Air Force, that noble alternative to military service. But I digress.
More Revisions to the Official Bin Laden Raid Story - Global - The Atlantic Wire.
As John Hudson, the Internet Terrorologist in question, puts it in The Atlantic, a publication legendary for its insistence that Sarah Palin's last kid was some kind of Manchurian Child doppelgänger, "the narrative of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound is getting another revamp."
Let me explain it in terms even the uterus detectives at the Atlantic can understand: those who know aren't talking, and those who are talking don't know.
(Bolding in original)
SNIP
Hudson's second mistake is assuming that other people are telling the truth -- especially journalists. In the rush to get in print in May 2011, no one bothered with accuracy, or with multiple independent sources. They just started typing. "Shaping the narrative," gathering (or making up) facts that fit, hammering facts that didn't into shape, throwing facts they didn't like away. That's how they roll.
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Kronocide Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:32:09pm |
Now Obama fondly ate dogs:
He fondly remembered eating a dog as an adult. RT @BenLaBolt: What's the next attack @EricFerhn and the RNC will surface on a 6-10 year old?
— Chris (@cdc444) April 18, 2012
This could tip the election.... even more towards Obama.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:33:50pm |
Even animals can sometimes have their personality misunderstood:
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:34:46pm |
re: #145 Kronocide
Now Obama fondly ate dogs:
This could tip the election... even more towards Obama.
Maybe Dog Eating Veterans For Truth will have a commercial where they tell us not only did Obama like eating dogs, he killed the dogs he eat and laughed at Mitt Romney while doing so.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:35:37pm |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
Even animals can sometimes have their personality misunderstood:
Okay that second honeybadger one is probably the best of that meme I've seen and I hate that meme.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:36:00pm |
In following the fallout over the "Adam and Eve" and genetics discussions, now for several months, a few things are being reinforced in my mind:
(1) the Institutional fundamentalists (i.e., those leaders of seminaries or congregations) are drawing the circle tight around their little groups, and are ascribing to other professing Christians who accept science (e.g., genetics) an apostasy.
(2) those few self-declared "evangelical" Christians who are trying to rethink their theology in light of recent scientific discoveries that show clearly there were never just two humans contemporaneous from whom, and only from whom, every person descends, are finding themselves being put out of the circle of insiders that believe themselves to be the "true" believers.
(3) a great share of contemporary American public are not paying attention to this issue, even though a majority of Americans likely think there really was a literal Adam and Eve (sometime, somewhere).
Thus, I don't see the current thrust by the Biologos crowd and their allies having much affect, at least immediately, on the landscape of American Christianity. I suspect Rupert Murdoch does more to influence (for his own benefit) that segment of American society in one day than what the academics will be able to do in a lifetime.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:36:14pm |
re: #148 HappyWarrior
Okay that second honeybadger one is probably the best of that meme I've seen and I hate that meme.
Then you took an arrow in the knee.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:37:24pm |
re: #143 HappyWarrior
So basically sociopaths could be said to be master manipulators of other people and their emotions. Yeah I don't see that in Nixon either. I think he was a troubled man with an inferiority complex. I also think he was haunted by what happened with his brothers.
Some sociopaths are skilled manipulators, but they're not all that smart. And not all manipulative people are sociopaths. And there's a lot of argument, still, about how you diagnose this.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:37:49pm |
Pilot sends plane into dive after mistaking Venus for oncoming plane
DAMN PLANET, GET OFF THE ROAD!!!
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:39:34pm |
Is there seriously going to be an issue of what Barack Obama ate as a young boy? The Onion had it right, every single person running in 2040 is fucked because of their facebook account.
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darthstar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:39:49pm |
Almost makes you wonder how miserable it must be for a political party strapped to Mitt Romney for the general election.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:39:56pm |
Romney Actively Sought Nugent Endorsement and Agreed to His Demands to Win It
As Tommy Christopher over at Mediaite points out, presidential candidates can’t be expected to answer for everything their supporters say. However, it’s a different story when the candidate personally seeks an endorsement: “Mitt Romney shouldn’t have to answer for every idiotic thing ever said by a conservative, if only due to time constraints. However, it is fair to ask him if he agrees with those whose endorsements he has actively sought.”
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:42:07pm |
re: #155 jaunte
Romney Actively Sought Nugent Endorsement and Agreed to His Demands to Win It
He actively sought out Nugent's endorsement? This wasn't the first time Nuge appeared on political cesspool but I guess it's not language Romney would have used so that makes it okay in his book.
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darthstar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:42:27pm |
re: #155 jaunte
Romney Actively Sought Nugent Endorsement and Agreed to His Demands to Win It
Romney gets a little scat scratch fever from the Nuge...He could have gotten that from Santorum with only half the stigma.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:42:28pm |
re: #154 darthstar
Almost makes you wonder how miserable it must be for a political party strapped to Mitt Romney for the general election.
I think the two are perfect for each other really at this juncture.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:43:59pm |
How smart is Nugent? This smart:
Nugent Endorses Romney But Prefers "Real" Perry
"If the real Rick Perry had been at those debates, he would still be in the race," Nugent told the Tribune Friday. "It is my firm belief that Rick Perry would have [made] and would make the best president we could choose."
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:44:16pm |
Hey Cletus lookie here. Sez Barrack HUSSEIN Obama used to eat dog when he wuz in Indoneehus.
Damn that's the weirdest thing I ever heard.
So. What you want for supper Celtus? Possum, squirrel, or that roadkill I found the other day.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:44:45pm |
re: #159 jaunte
How smart is Nugent? This smart:
Nugent Endorses Romney But Prefers "Real" Perry
The "real" Rick Perry. I myself prefer the real Slim Shady but he hasn't stood up yet.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:45:26pm |
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Lidane Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:45:28pm |
re: #70 ggt
I'm not watching the video.
I'm not either. Even if it's a fake, staged video I have no interest in imagining what that poor dog went through.
I already have a lot of reasons not to vote for Mitt Romney. The callous cruelty he displayed towards that dog is just another reason why he's unfit to run for office.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:46:33pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:48:28pm |
re: #164 ProGunLiberal
Some very bad news:
Well, there are lots of options with Prostate Cancer. It generally is not a fast growing cancer.
Many older men choose not to go thru treatment because it is likely something else will kill them before the cancer does.
Dear Ole' Dad went thru the seeded radiation and did fine.
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Lidane Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:49:03pm |
re: #153 HappyWarrior
Is there seriously going to be an issue of what Barack Obama ate as a young boy?
Of course there is. A significant portion of this country flipped their shit when a black man got elected POTUS. That's not going to change anytime soon.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:49:22pm |
again the soulless subhumans are in a tizzy over too much truth & logic from an actual we the people loving American. Turning up the heat
— Ted Nugent (@TedNugent) April 18, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:50:56pm |
re: #167 jaunte
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You know for someone who compares the current administration to Nazi Germany, there's something to be said about a man who calls his critics subhumans. What a sad little man. Go crap your pants Ted and cry to someone who gives a damn.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:51:39pm |
re: #167 jaunte
I can't parse what the shit-crusted, adle-brained, ephebophilic dipshit is saying.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:53:08pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:53:59pm |
re: #160 Gus
"Most folk'll never fol-low Glenn Beck!
But then again some Folk'll,
Like Cletus, the Slack-jawed Yokel!"
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:54:16pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:54:41pm |
Hey, Romney, great job seeking out this guy's endorsement. He represents you soooooooooooo well.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:54:58pm |
re: #172 Dark_Falcon
I think it sounds better in its original German.
/Oh yes, I went there.
Was ist das???
/
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:55:55pm |
re: #174 ProGunLiberal
No, I want English.
Preferably in a non-dumbass dialect.
re: #172 Dark_Falcon
You missed some special stuff earlier about Ted Nugent.
Okay, I'll try to translate. Basically, the jackass is saying that everyone who doesn't like what he is saying is a sub-human who can't handle the truth coming from a true American.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:57:10pm |
re: #178 HappyWarrior
See, the way he ordered the sentence confused the hell out of me, which was compounded by his lack of grammar. This says a great deal about his lack of intelligence.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:57:43pm |
So if Nugent lives in the Waco, Texas area and would rather have had Rick Perry as his candidate, why on earth does Mitt want his endorsement?
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:57:56pm |
re: #179 ggt
Were you not here for that? From Wiki:
In 1978, Nugent began a relationship with seventeen-year-old Hawaii native Pele Massa. Due to the age difference they could not marry so Nugent joined Massa's parents in signing documents to make himself her legal guardian, an arrangement that Spin magazine ranked in October 2000 as #63 on their list of the "100 Sleaziest Moments in Rock".
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:58:16pm |
re: #179 ggt
Ted? really?
No, he's been married to the same woman for decades. He has many troubles, but that's not one of them.
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Lidane Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:58:56pm |
re: #183 Dark_Falcon
Let's not pretend that he's an upstanding citizen.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 9:59:47pm |
re: #183 Dark_Falcon
You might want to look up one post from yours.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:00:43pm |
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:01:46pm |
re: #187 ggt
For me it does. Especially when the dude is 30! Not okay! In fact, EWWW!
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:02:24pm |
re: #181 jaunte
So if Nugent lives in the Waco, Texas area and would rather have had Rick Perry as his candidate, why on earth does Mitt want his endorsement?
Let me simplify that: "why on earth does Mitt want his endorsement?"
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:02:34pm |
re: #189 ProGunLiberal
For me it does. Especially when the dude is 30! Not okay! In fact, EWWW!
I was a 17 year old girl.
IMHO, most 17 yo girls are more mature than most 30 year old men.
:0
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:03:00pm |
re: #181 jaunte
So if Nugent lives in the Waco, Texas area and would rather have had Rick Perry as his candidate, why on earth does Mitt want his endorsement?
Waco! Now that got me thinking. Ted Nugent. David Koresh. Ted Nugent.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:03:02pm |
re: #190 jaunte
Let me simplify that: "why on earth does Mitt want his endorsement?"
Because a lot of people follow Ted. His endorsement will help.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:03:15pm |
re: #191 ggt
I was a 17 year old girl.
IMHO, most 17 yo girls are more mature than most 30 year old men.
:0
Hey! Oh wait I'm 25 in July.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:03:19pm |
re: #191 ggt
You are not going to convince me that what he did isn't skeevy as hell.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:04:02pm |
re: #195 ProGunLiberal
You are not going to convince me that what he did isn't skeevy as hell.
If he dumped her when she got past the young girl stage, then yes, but if they have been married ever since --no.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:04:41pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:05:56pm |
re: #187 ggt
17 doesn't count in my book. sorry
I'm not shocked that he was seeing her.
I am horrified that her idiot parents would allow some thirty-year-old rocker to become her legal guardian.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:06:08pm |
re: #199 ggt
Has-been semi-rock-star doesn't seem like a powerful ally.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:06:21pm |
re: #193 ggt
Because a lot of people follow Ted. His endorsement will help.
It's not like anyone who would let a guy like Nugent influence their vote was about to vote for Obama in the first place.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:06:53pm |
re: #201 jaunte
Has-been semi-rock-star doesn't seem like a powerful ally.
I think he's popular in second amendment activist circles, a group that Romney has tried like crazy convincing that he's their ally.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:07:40pm |
re: #203 HappyWarrior
I guess that's it. Nailing down the gun fans.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:08:40pm |
re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm not shocked that he was seeing her.
I am horrified that her idiot parents would allow some thirty-year-old rocker to become her legal guardian.
Priscilla Presley's parents did it. . . .
Melanie Griffith lived with Don Johnson --Tippi Hedron let her.
Strange, I wouldn't do it.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:09:03pm |
re: #204 jaunte
I guess that's it. Nailing down the gun fans.
More for the primary than GE, yes. It's Mitt being Mitt though. Obama has the better musicians and entertainers behind him anyhow. DeNiro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ted Nugent
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:09:18pm |
There's nothing wrong with eating dog meat, but try to explain that to yahoos.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:09:24pm |
re: #201 jaunte
Has-been semi-rock-star doesn't seem like a powerful ally.
Ted is very active in shooting sports and 2nd Amendment Issues.
I don't think he is the best spokesperson, but he does a lot of work in these areas.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:09:53pm |
re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist
That was #63 on the Top 100 Sleaziest Incidents in Rock & Roll History.
I am very scared what #1 is.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:10:03pm |
re: #198 ggt
If he dumped her when she got past the young girl stage, then yes, but if they have been married ever since --no.
He didn't marry her at all. He cheated on his 1st wife with her, and married again after they broke up.
He's also one of those guys who had to be dragging to court for not supporting his out-of-wedlock children.
Skeevy.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:10:57pm |
re: #210 The Ghost of a Flea
He didn't marry her at all. He cheated on his 1st wife with her, and married again after they broke up.
He's also one of those guys who had to be dragging to court for not supporting his out-of-wedlock children.
Skeevy.
ah!
but it still doesn't seem to support the diagnosis of eph--whatever unless he has a string of underage girlfriends/wives.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:11:18pm |
re: #209 ProGunLiberal
That was #63 on the Top 100 Sleaziest Incidents in Rock & Roll History.
I am very scared what #1 is.
Led Zeppelin and seafood.
...
..
.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:11:22pm |
re: #209 ProGunLiberal
That was #63 on the Top 100 Sleaziest Incidents in Rock & Roll History.
I am very scared what #1 is.
The 100 SLEAZIEST MOMENTS IN ROCK:
1. Led Zeppelin's Seafood Fetish: Led Zeppelin are the undisputed gods of rock 'n' roll perversity. Their most infamous moment: a disgusting 1969 incident at Seattle's Edgewater Inn involving fornication with fresh seafood. The event remains the standard by which all rock debauchery has been measured.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:11:30pm |
re: #209 ProGunLiberal
That was #63 on the Top 100 Sleaziest Incidents in Rock & Roll History.
I am very scared what #1 is.
A guess but Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his fourteen year old cousin is probably pretty high up there. Charlie Watts or Bill Wyman of the Stones married a teenage girl I believe. And then her mother married Bill's son. So Bill or Charlie was briefly son-in-law to his own son. Okay, I see in the link now that it was Bill Wyman and Bill's son never married the mother.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:12:03pm |
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:12:41pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:13:18pm |
re: #216 ProGunLiberal
I just found that out.
My brain is crying.
Mind bleach is definitely in order.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:13:24pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:13:55pm |
Ted definitely gets major down dings for making unplanned babies and not being a daddy to them.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:14:47pm |
re: #211 ggt
ah!
but it still doesn't seem to support the diagnosis of eph--whatever unless he has a string of underage girlfriends/wives.
Yeah. I'm not a fan of armchair diagnosis.
Anyway, his Political Cesspool stuff is sufficient such that I don't give a crap about his personal life. I'm horrified at the idea of a politician seeking high office consulting a Neo-Confederate for his blessing (and policy advice about Fish & Wildlife).
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:15:15pm |
re: #207 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
There's nothing wrong with eating dog meat, but try to explain that to yahoos.
Honestly? I'd give the nice long list of various meats consumed in this country, starting with alligator and moving my way down, then ask them why any of those are not considered "wrong" but eating dog is.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:16:04pm |
re: #221 Targetpractice
Honestly? I'd give the nice long list of various meats consumed in this country, starting with alligator and moving my way down, then ask them why any of those are not considered "wrong" but eating dog is.
eating dog and horse in this country is verboten. Very bad juju.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:16:23pm |
re: #221 Targetpractice
Honestly? I'd give the nice long list of various meats consumed in this country, starting with alligator and moving my way down, then ask them why any of those are not considered "wrong" but eating dog is.
Because most Americans have an aversion to eating anything cute and/or fuzzy. Most animals that have been in a Disney cartoon, many Americans don't want on their plate, because that's how they'll always see those animals.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:19:24pm |
re: #222 ggt
eating dog and horse in this country is verboten. Very bad juju.
Yet eating squirrels isn't?
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:20:42pm |
re: #223 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
Because most Americans have an aversion to eating anything cute and fuzzy.
I'm guessing "most Americans" are vegetarians then, because if we're cutting things that were "cute and fuzzy" at one point in their lives off the menu, then we're gonna be left with very little to choose from.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:22:27pm |
Americans don't eat rabbits?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:22:51pm |
re: #207 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
There's nothing wrong with eating dog meat, but try to explain that to yahoos.
I honestly don't think this will be yahoo thing, this will be an 'already hates Obama', or 'hates Obama and is very sheltered' thing.
Remember when everyone was so, so shocked by Sarah Palin doing an interview in front of a turkey slaughter? My friend Niamh, who is the world's most devout Democrat, thought that was moronic. She grew up on a farm. So, turkeys, slaughtered--why freak out?
I don't think it's the guys who hunt possum that will freak out over this, it will be the people who think that meat comes in plastic wrap from the supermarket, and also know that Obama is the devil.
That is, if anyone besides the inner circle of wingnutosphere readers actually even notices this.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:22:55pm |
re: #224 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Yet eating squirrels isn't?
Hey, FBV and I don't eat meat at all.
And I especially don't get how anyone could eat a rodent.
EWWWWWW!
But, OTOH. When the US stopped exporting horse to France, we had a huge horse overpopulation --bad for the horses.
We have a huge dog and cat overpopulation as well. And there are hungry people all over the world that would eat them.
Like I don't understand the moratorium on geese. We have geese out the wazoo in the Chicago area. BIG PROBLEM GEESE. They are like rats and the food pantries and homeless shelters could use that meat.
Yet Meat Slurry and mystery hot dogs are just fine.
I don't have the answers.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:23:53pm |
re: #225 Targetpractice
I'm guessing "most Americans" are vegetarians then, because if we're cutting things that were "cute and fuzzy" at one point in their lives off the menu, then we're gonna be left with very little to choose from.
If that were true, then Led Zeppelin would have had to have sex with... some eggplant.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:24:25pm |
re: #229 freetoken
If that were true, then Led Zeppelin would have had to have sex with... some eggplant.
I've heard some really creepy things about banannas and squash.
:0
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:24:31pm |
re: #211 ggt
ah!
but it still doesn't seem to support the diagnosis of eph--whatever unless he has a string of underage girlfriends/wives.
I think he was just showing off and being stupid.
Hilariously, this is reminding me of an argument I had here in more wingnutty times, about Mohammed's marriage to Aisha.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:24:44pm |
It just wouldn't have been the same... sex with eggplant, that is.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:24:51pm |
re: #228 ggt
Maybe it's some health problem with geese? Some local infections or something? Because there's nothing wrong with eating geese either.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:25:11pm |
I think Americans taboo animals that we develop bonds with. E.g horses and dogs. I understand why. At the same time, I don't give a shit that Obama ate dog meat as a boy.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:25:55pm |
re: #225 Targetpractice
I'm guessing "most Americans" are vegetarians then, because if we're cutting things that were "cute and fuzzy" at one point in their lives off the menu, then we're gonna be left with very little to choose from.
We're talking about people who think that meat comes from a styrofoam tray, wrapped in Saran Wrap; also, most cattle and pigs are not exactly cute at slaughter age and birds are a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
However, some do know where their meat comes from and don't mind eating something that was once cute and fuzzy; I don't hunt, but when I can get my hands on some venison, I'll take it. Rabbit, squirrel, and possum I'm not so big on, but if it came down to it, I'd eat it.
Mmmmmm, deer backstrap...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:26:03pm |
re: #226 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Americans don't eat rabbits?
I believe it is available at Whole Foods.
Someday I will be able to spell that word without looking it up. Too many "f's" and not enough "s's"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:26:39pm |
re: #234 HappyWarrior
Rabbits are pets.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:27:22pm |
I think South Park had an interesting point on this. We (most of us at least) love things like hamburgers, steaks, etc from grown cows but we hear veal and baby cow and we get revolted by that idea. Honestly, I love veal, I'd love to have it in my diet more often but alas it is quite expensive.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:28:45pm |
re: #233 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Maybe it's some health problem with geese? Some local infections or something? Because there's nothing wrong with eating geese either.
No, it's because it's not safe and politically incorrect to declare hunting season in an Urban Area.
Out toward's the country, it is fine.
It's a Urban thing.
I wish there was a way to do it tho. It's a win-win --hunters and homeless.
AS I understand it, the local food pantrys won't even take fresh road killed dear.
An old hunter I know about said he and a butcher friend used to have a relationship with the local sherriff. They'd call the butcher when they had a fresh kill and the two of them would dress it and deliver the meat to the homeless shelter/food pantry. As the area got more populated, they quit accepting the meat. Sad really.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:28:47pm |
re: #237 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Rabbits are pets.
Americans don't eat rabbits that much. At least not where I've lived. I've never had it before. Not to say I wouldn't eat rabbit. I am just saying that we taboo by and large based on animals that we become real close with. I admit that's why eating a dog is a thought that makes me personally uncomfortable.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:28:51pm |
re: #226 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Americans don't eat rabbits?
Depends what Americans. It is a regional or rural food, relatively uncommon nationwide, I'd say. So's alligator, as someone mentioned.
Squirrel, small game like that, once again, is rural. My in-laws eat it a lot, or did when my GILs were younger...my husband's grandparents don't hunt much these days, and buy more meat from the store.
But dog, no, and there's a strongish taboo about horsemeat.
It's a big country though. My students used to try to freak me out by telling me about lengua tacos--apparently some Anglos just scream. Me, I grew up on old-fashioned Jewish food. Tongue's not my favorite thing, but it's not terrifying.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:29:10pm |
re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist
Hilariously, this is reminding me of an argument I had here in more wingnutty times, about Mohammed's marriage to Aisha.
Which brings in another topic recently discussed here. Namely, unreliability of sources about Muhmmad's life, specifically the hadiths.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:29:40pm |
re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist
Depends what Americans. It is a regional or rural food, relatively uncommon nationwide, I'd say. So's alligator, as someone mentioned.
Squirrel, small game like that, once again, is rural. My in-laws eat it a lot, or did when my GILs were younger...my husband's grandparents don't hunt much these days, and buy more meat from the store.
But dog, no, and there's a strongish taboo about horsemeat.
It's a big country though. My students used to try to freak me out by telling me about lengua tacos--apparently some Anglos just scream. Me, I grew up on old-fashioned Jewish food. Tongue's not my favorite thing, but it's not terrifying.
Dogs and horses have traditionally been man's partner. You don't eat what you need to survive.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:30:06pm |
re: #242 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Which brings in another topic recently discussed here. Namely, unreliability of sources about Muhmmad's life, specifically the hadiths.
Yeah, history is a tad fuzzy 1200+ years ago...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:30:08pm |
re: #228 ggt
Hey, FBV and I don't eat meat at all.
And I especially don't get how anyone could eat a rodent.
EWWW!
But, OTOH. When the US stopped exporting horse to France, we had a huge horse overpopulation --bad for the horses.
We have a huge dog and cat overpopulation as well. And there are hungry people all over the world that would eat them.
Like I don't understand the moratorium on geese. We have geese out the wazoo in the Chicago area. BIG PROBLEM GEESE. They are like rats and the food pantries and homeless shelters could use that meat.
Yet Meat Slurry and mystery hot dogs are just fine.
I don't have the answers.
When they give out hunting licenses to thin the deer out in Marin County, the meat goes to the local homeless shelters. Wild venison for dinner at the Salvation Army, until it runs out.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:30:28pm |
re: #243 ggt
Dogs and horses have traditionally been man's partner. You don't eat what you need to survive.
Yet they eat horse in France. I think taboos about eating horses is something that exists strongly in English speaking countries if I am not mistaken.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:30:49pm |
re: #224 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Yet eating squirrels isn't?
Not really, no. It's kind of hick / woodsy, and not something you'll find at a restaurant but it's perfectly acceptable for home or camp cooking. Small game like squirrel and rabbit are good when there's no refrigeration available so no food gets wasted.
In the US it's illegal for the average private hunter to sell game so that's what limits the availability. Also, squirrels are probably a bitch to farm raise, being natural born escape artists. I've heard of commercially licensed trappers selling raccoon carcasses as food though.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:30:52pm |
re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist
When they give out hunting licenses to thin the deer out in Marin County, the meat goes to the local homeless shelters. Wild venison for dinner at the Salvation Army, until it runs out.
That is how it should be.
Well, the hunter should get some too!
But who the heck needs a whole deer? Large families, but still.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:31:28pm |
re: #240 HappyWarrior
I'm just pointing out that if the taboo is based on who can be a pet, then there should be a rabbit taboo too, but there isn't.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:31:48pm |
re: #232 freetoken
It just wouldn't have been the same... sex with eggplant, that is.
OK, disgusting moment from my youth. TMI. Stop reading now.
There was this guy who dated a gal I knew in college. Too old for her. Very creepy. We were all at a party. He was rubbing my shoulders, and telling me about how his ex could fit a whole eggplant up her...well, you know.
I wasn't interested in being freaked out, which was what he was angling for, so I said, "Asian or European eggplant?"
He left me alone after that, for some reason.
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:32:42pm |
re: #235 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
We're talking about people who think that meat comes from a styrofoam tray, wrapped in Saran Wrap; also, most cattle and pigs are not exactly cute at slaughter age and birds are a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
However, some do know where their meat comes from and don't mind eating something that was once cute and fuzzy; I don't hunt, but when I can get my hands on some venison, I'll take it. Rabbit and possum, not so big on.
Mmmm, deer backstrap...
Let's be honest, most folks are willfully ignorant because it's the only way they can look a burger in the eye without puking their guts out. We don't ask what goes into that burger because we don't want to know. The big part of the outrage over "pink slime" was really people finding out that that "cheap" meat they've been buying at the store is "cheap" for a reason.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:32:47pm |
re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, disgusting moment from my youth. TMI. Stop reading now.
There was this guy who dated a gal I knew in college. Too old for her. Very creepy. We were all at a party. He was rubbing my shoulders, and telling me about how his ex could fit a whole eggplant up her...well, you know.
I wasn't interested in being freaked out, which was what he was angling for, so I said, "Asian or European eggplant?"
He left me alone after that, for some reason.
3/10.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:32:50pm |
re: #238 HappyWarrior
I think South Park had an interesting point on this. We (most of us at least) love things like hamburgers, steaks, etc from grown cows but we hear veal and baby cow and we get revolted by that idea. Honestly, I love veal, I'd love to have it in my diet more often but alas it is quite expensive.
I hate veal. Lamb too. I know it's supposed to be better, but I like chewy meat. If you can cut it with a fork, I think it's kind of disturbing.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:32:58pm |
re: #242 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Yep, the Hadiths about that crash into other sources that are more reliable.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:33:02pm |
re: #249 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
I'm just pointing out that if the taboo is based on who can be a pet, then there should be a rabbit taboo too, but there isn't.
Yeah, but most people don't have a rabbit as a pet, or ever have known anyone who did. Not like dogs.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:33:20pm |
re: #248 ggt
That is how it should be.
Well, the hunter should get some too!
But who the heck needs a whole deer? Large families, but still.
That's what chest freezers are for, to have some available year-round.
My dad, when he hunted long ago, used to fill ours with deer and fish (usually bluegill and crappie).
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:33:34pm |
re: #249 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
I'm just pointing out that if the taboo is based on who can be a pet, then there should be a rabbit taboo too, but there isn't.
Oh I know. But I do think if people had as many rabbits as they do cats and dogs then there would be. It's hard to explain. It makes no sense.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:33:56pm |
re: #251 Targetpractice
Let's be honest, most folks are willfully ignorant because it's the only way they can look a burger in the eye without puking their guts out. We don't ask what goes into that burger because we don't want to know. The big part of the outrage over "pink slime" was really people finding out that that "cheap" meat they've been buying at the store is "cheap" for a reason.
Pretty much...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:35:01pm |
re: #251 Targetpractice
The big part of the outrage over "pink slime" was really people finding out that that "cheap" meat they've been buying at the store is "cheap" for a reason.
IMHO outrage was mostly about the name.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:35:03pm |
re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate veal. Lamb too. I know it's supposed to be better, but I like chewy meat. If you can cut it with a fork, I think it's kind of disturbing.
Oh man I love both of those. To each their own though.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:35:55pm |
re: #248 ggt
That is how it should be.
Well, the hunter should get some too!
But who the heck needs a whole deer? Large families, but still.
I think the hunters are permitted to stock up the freezer. But the deer are county property, and they use most of the meat to feed the hungry.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:35:58pm |
re: #255 ggt
Yeah, but most people don't have a rabbit as a pet, or ever have known anyone who did. Not like dogs.
A lot of city folks don't think of rabbits as food, they think of Bugs Bunny.
Cute and fuzzy =/= food to them
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:35:59pm |
Getting Immigration Right
by John O'Sullivan
Until the battle recommences, however, if any indignant xenophobe is thinking of writing an exposé of this conspiracy of English immigrants to impose an “un-American” system of immigration law on the American people, Steve Sailer has already come up with the perfect title: “The Protocols of the Elders of Albion.”
I hope people readily see what he's doing here by using the word "xenophobe." Read the whole thing to get a perspective on O'Sullivan. It's basically Southern Strategy with immigration as a major theme. He's using his status as an immigrant hide behind criticism in short rhetorical spasms.
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:36:13pm |
re: #259 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
IMHO outrage was mostly about the name.
Oh, most definitely. "Slime" being invoked in way to describe a meat product does not generally inspire confidence.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:37:07pm |
Sergey,
fyi--there is a puppy report at #120.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:37:07pm |
re: #255 ggt
Yeah, but most people don't have a rabbit as a pet, or ever have known anyone who did. Not like dogs.
A friend of mine has two rabbits.
The whole family is vegetarian, but I think the rabbits almost became stew a couple of months ago. They ate a hole in the couch.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:37:19pm |
re: #262 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
A lot of city folks don't think of rabbits as food, they think of Bugs Bunny.
Cute and fuzzy =/= food to them
and deer = bambi
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:38:33pm |
Here's another one:
As xenophobes later explained it, Peter Brimelow, an English immigrant, and National Review, a magazine then edited by an English immigrant, had launched the modern American debate on immigration. But then, as the former occasionally quipped, aren’t immigrants supposed to do the dirty jobs that Americans won’t?
What he's doing is using "xenophobe" as a replacement for saying "why you're the racist here" or white racism.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:39:11pm |
re: #267 ggt
and deer = bambi
Yeah chances are if there's a famous cartoon or movie with the animal, I'd wager to say its taboo level rises. Unless it's a meat like pork that is heavily ingrained into our diets.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:39:16pm |
re: #259 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
IMHO outrage was mostly about the name.
I think the pictures of the industrial process had a lot to do with the disgust. Much like people don't want to think about their burger coming from the death of a cow, they don't want to think about what is entailed to process and package food on an industrial level; it's not pretty, nor does it give you a warm fuzzy feeling about your food (which has been crapped out by an assembly line).
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:39:18pm |
Going through that list more, I saw the disgusting stuff with Kid Rock.
Seriously, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock are some of the most debauched assholes in Rock and Roll history. How hypocritical do they have to be to have these sort of political beliefs?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:39:23pm |
re: #266 SanFranciscoZionist
A friend of mine has two rabbits.
The whole family is vegetarian, but I think the rabbits almost became stew a couple of months ago. They ate a hole in the couch.
I know they can be litter trained and people will let them roam the house. I don't know tho. I'm just not a rabbit kind of person. They can be so skiddish and literally die if they are scared. They also shit alot when they are scared.
Stupid animals too. One Mom made her nesting burrow out my back door for a couple of years. If she couldn't smell the dogs, then something was really wrong. I don't think any of the babies made it because my dogs laid scent down everywhere.
THe floppy earred kind are awfully cute tho.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:39:27pm |
re: #259 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
IMHO outrage was mostly about the name.
It's a pretty good approximation of what the shit looks like; if people watched the Dirty Jobs episode where he's at a factory that made stuff like hot dogs or bologna or something, they'd likely never touch the stuff again.
Hearing meat being referred to as a "batter", it's enough to make one a bit queasy; I still eat hot dogs though (and brats too).
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:39:39pm |
re: #265 ggt
Thanks, missed it. YOU LIVE IN A FREAKING ZOO!/
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:39:57pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:40:36pm |
re: #268 Gus
Here's another one:
What he's doing is using "xenophobe" as a replacement for saying "why you're the racist here" or white racism.
I actually think xenophobe is appropriate because it is truly what these whackos are. Anything that is not WASP is majorly scary evil to them.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:41:00pm |
re: #274 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Thanks, missed it. YOU LIVE IN A FREAKING ZOO!/
There is also a Cat Overlord and a Teenage Son. I think it is you and FBV that really seem to enjoy the Puppy reports the most.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:41:03pm |
re: #273 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
Yeah, that old adage about people who make sausages not eating them. (Don't know if true.)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:41:44pm |
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:41:57pm |
re: #276 ggt
I actually think xenophobe is appropriate because it is truly what these whackos are. Anything that is not WASP is majorly scary evil to them.
That's not what he's doing. He is a WASP.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:42:22pm |
re: #266 SanFranciscoZionist
A friend of mine has two rabbits.
The whole family is vegetarian, but I think the rabbits almost became stew a couple of months ago. They ate a hole in the couch.
Are rabbits affectionate with people? Most of the other rodents people keep as pets seem to be, at best, tolerant of handling.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:42:30pm |
re: #272 ggt
I know they can be litter trained and people will let them roam the house. I don't know tho. I'm just not a rabbit kind of person. They can be so skiddish and literally die if they are scared. They also shit alot when they are scared.
Stupid animals too. One Mom made her nesting burrow out my back door for a couple of years. If she couldn't smell the dogs, then something was really wrong. I don't think any of the babies made it because my dogs laid scent down everywhere.
THe floppy earred kind are awfully cute tho.
One of them is quite bold, and will occasionally allow himself to be held. The other is nervous, and will, if you hold her, hold really still and wait to be released. When you let her go, the other rabbit will carefully lick all the human smell off her.
They spend a lot of time under the coffee table.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:42:31pm |
re: #278 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Yeah, that old adage about people who make sausages not eating them. (Don't know if true.)
Ever seen puppies in the womb. I've been lucky enough to assist in a couple of c-section puppy births. Look just like sausage --then you realize they are PUPPIES!!!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:43:11pm |
re: #281 The Ghost of a Flea
Are rabbits affectionate with people? Most of the other rodents people keep as pets seem to be, at best, tolerant of handling.
I think some are, but most of the ones I've met are pretty skitterish. A rat responds better to handling.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:43:20pm |
re: #281 The Ghost of a Flea
Are rabbits affectionate with people? Most of the other rodents people keep as pets seem to be, at best, tolerant of handling.
I think they people that have them think so. I know they will cuddle with the family dogs and cats. Ferrets seem to be people friendly too.
I don't do rodents (or eggplant :0, so I can't tell from personal experience.
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palomino Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:43:42pm |
re: #154 darthstar
Almost makes you wonder how miserable it must be for a political party strapped to Mitt Romney for the general election.
I don't think you meant to say the election is in the bag.
But please, Obama supporters, especially those in swing states, don't get overconfident about November. Sure, Romney's a joke. But if the economy is still relatively weak, independent voters could adopt the attitude, "I generally like Obama, but the economy for me blows, so I'll give the other guy a chance, even though he's a douchebag."
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:44:00pm |
re: #273 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
It's a pretty good approximation of what the shit looks like; if people watched the Dirty Jobs episode where he's at a hot dog factory, they'd likely never touch one again.
Hearing meat being referred to as a "batter", it's enough to make one a bit queasy; I still eat them though (and brats too).
The last few Thanksgivings, the History Channel's had a show called "American Eats" on. And one of the items on there is making of modern hot dogs. And having seen it, I feel a bit more confident in what I'm eating than I did before.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:44:19pm |
re: #261 SanFranciscoZionist
I think the hunters are permitted to stock up the freezer. But the deer are county property, and they use most of the meat to feed the hungry.
I think this is what you're referring to:
From 1976 to 1994, park rangers shot roughly 3,000 nonnative deer in Point Reyes. The Park Service had long maintained that they had donated 90 percent of the carcasses to a homeless shelter in San Francisco, but in 1992 the local newspaper invoked the Freedom of Information Act to show that less than a third of the deer meat actually reached the hungry. The majority of the deer were left to rot where they were shot. Public outcry ensued, and when the new park superintendent took over in 1994, he stopped the culling until an appropriate plan could be formed based on a full environmental impact study. After more than a decade of unchecked population growth, the park this past fall announced the current eradication plan.
I'm pretty sure private hunters are always allowed to keep all the meat they've hunted. At least I've never heard of an enforced donation policy. After all, getting wild, natural food is really the legitimate motive for hunting in the first place, take that away and you're sending people out who just want to kill something.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:44:20pm |
re: #280 Gus
That's not what he's doing. He is a WASP.
I need to stay out of this discussion. Been too busy to really keep-up.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:44:37pm |
re: #287 Targetpractice
The last few Thanksgivings, the History Channel's had a show called "American Eats" on. And one of the items on there is making of modern hot dogs. And having seen it, I feel a bit more confident in what I'm eating than I did before.
Buy Kosher.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:44:38pm |
Then of course there's the fact that the dog meat Obama ate likely did not come from any pet breeds.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:45:36pm |
re: #288 goddamnedfrank
I think this is what you're referring to:
I'm pretty sure private hunters are always allowed to keep all the meat they've hunted. At least I've never heard of an enforced donation policy. After all, getting wild, natural food is really the legitimate motive for hunting in the first place, take that away and you're sending people out who just want to kill something.
I think plenty of hunters would gladly donate their time and shot to support a food pantry. I also think it is more than fair that they get to keep some of the meat.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:46:03pm |
re: #291 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Then of course there's the fact that the dog meat Obama ate likely did not come from any pet breeds.
feral dogs caught in the city?
Or are there actually dog ranches?
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:46:16pm |
re: #273 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
It's a pretty good approximation of what the shit looks like; if people watched the Dirty Jobs episode where he's at a hot dog factory, they'd likely never touch one again.
Hearing meat being referred to as a "batter", it's enough to make one a bit queasy; I still eat them though (and brats too).
Nothing looks good, let alone edible, emerging from an extruder. Everything looks like loose stool.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:46:53pm |
re: #287 Targetpractice
The last few Thanksgivings, the History Channel's had a show called "American Eats" on. And one of the items on there is making of modern hot dogs. And having seen it, I feel a bit more confident in what I'm eating than I did before.
Yeah, a reputable packer is going to keep stuff clean and use good ingredients in their stuff and that's all well and good, but I was referring how strange the finely ground meat "batter" looks for bologna and hot dogs and the like.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:47:05pm |
re: #287 Targetpractice
The last few Thanksgivings, the History Channel's had a show called "American Eats" on. And one of the items on there is making of modern hot dogs. And having seen it, I feel a bit more confident in what I'm eating than I did before.
Our food supply isn't all that bad --and is one of the safest in the world. It just seems really disgusting when you get to the manufacturing part. What it takes to feed millions of people is not so "down on the farm-like"
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:47:54pm |
re: #290 ggt
Buy Kosher.
Loves me a good beef hot dog; Nathan's or Hebrew National. if the price is right.
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:48:13pm |
re: #295 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
Yeah, a reputable packer is going to keep stuff clean and use good ingredients in their stuff and that's all well and good, but I was referring how strange the finely ground meat "batter" looks for bologna and hot dogs and the like.
Well yeah, I'll agree with that. Not that it's gonna stop me from eating them. Bologna with a little spicy mustard, slice of swiss, lettuce, and tomato. Good times.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:48:23pm |
re: #297 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
Loves me a good beef hot dog; Nathan's or Hebrew National. if the price is right.
Costco has the Hebrew Nationals. Those are good dogs.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:48:43pm |
re: #293 ggt
feral dogs caught in the city?
Or are there actually dog ranches?
There are edible breeds, so I'm pretty sure there are some sort of those operations.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:48:53pm |
re: #297 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
Loves me a good beef hot dog; Nathan's or Hebrew National. if the price is right.
COUPONS!!!!!
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:49:05pm |
re: #289 ggt
I need to stay out of this discussion. Been too busy to really keep-up.
It's thinly veiled white nationalism. What he's doing is speaking for white rights when he defends himself from "xenophobic" attacks because he's a white immigrant from England. Because he feels that he is "not allowed to speak" because of his status. In large measure he's claiming white victimhood.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:50:05pm |
re: #302 Gus
It's thinly veiled white nationalism. What he's doing is speaking for white rights when he defends himself from "xenophobic" attacks because he's a white immigrant from England. Because he feels that he is "not allowed to speak" because of his status. In large measure he's claiming white victimhood.
such bullshit --most of the world is working to emulate "white" culture in the form of democracy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:50:19pm |
re: #302 Gus
Zimmerman is the victim of a xenophobe./
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:50:58pm |
re: #299 HappyWarrior
Costco has the Hebrew Nationals. Those are good dogs.
re: #301 ggt
COUPONS!!!
Nearest Costco is about 15-20 miles ffrom me and I'm not a member, but we have a Sam's membership.
Kroger usually runs sales on either Nathan's or Hebrew National, but lately the better buy has been the Oscar Mayer beef dogs.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:51:42pm |
re: #293 ggt
feral dogs caught in the city?
Or are there actually dog ranches?
There are people who raise dogs for butchering and sale, or for their home table. Like pigs, their flexible diet means that you can turn scraps into an edible animal.
The general type you see for sale are pariah dogs, that non-breed that turn up all over Asia and the Pacific. Mind you, long ago there actually were dog breeds amongst the Pacific Islanders that were, arguably, bred primarily to be food...the Hawaiian Poi Dog for example...but to my knowledge those have died out.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:51:45pm |
re: #304 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Zimmerman is the victim of a xenophobe./
Or the plural form.
"You're the real racists xenophobes here!"
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:52:35pm |
Xenophobe will have to be redefined when we make first contact with actual aliens.
:P
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:52:40pm |
re: #308 Gus
Or the plural form.
"You're the real
racistsxenophobes here!"
You hate racists? You're racist against them!
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:52:49pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:53:25pm |
re: #309 Varek Raith
It will still be fear and loathing of "the other".
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:53:51pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:54:23pm |
since we got back from vacation, the Cat Overlord will not leave me alone. He shunned me for years. Now he is hanging out under my desk.
I actually nudged him today to see if he was still alive. Now he is trying to climb onto the desk.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:54:42pm |
re: #313 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
It will still be fear and loathing of "the other".
John O'Sullivan. Defending America from "the others" as "an other."
"You can't pick on me! I'm a British IMMIGRANT!"
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:54:50pm |
re: #313 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
It will still be fear and loathing of "the other".
Nice --isn't religion supposed to address this?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:55:23pm |
re: #315 ggt
since we got back from vacation, the Cat Overlord will not leave me alone. He shunned me for years. Now he is hanging out under my desk.
I actually nudged him today to see if he was still alive. Now he is trying to climb onto the desk.
Tell him that where you've been they eat cats. If he's smart, should help. /
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:55:35pm |
re: #313 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
It will still be fear and loathing of "the other".
In Las Vegas???
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Eventual Carrion Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:55:46pm |
re: #23 Flame Fin Tomini Tang
I wish this issue would go away and we stick to matters that are verifiable, and there are plenty of those.
My understanding is that the "kennel" was shielded from wind and I'm prepared to accept that without evidence to the contrary. For all I know the dog had diarrhea before they left, and nobody can say different.
Just so we are clear here, you believe that Obama was born in the USA?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:55:50pm |
re: #317 ggt
Nice --isn't religion supposed to address this?
For some reason it often makes it worse (not always).
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:55:59pm |
re: #311 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
All aboard...the night train!
[Embedded content]
My favorite "night train" story is actually the part of the Harry Potter series about the Night Bus. If forgot what it was called.
JKRowling had some really kool ideas.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:56:15pm |
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:56:20pm |
This is most of the blather from O'Sullivan:
They, too, had been liberated—in part by the insurgencies Brimelow lists, in part by the most distinguished intellectual rebellion on these issues in recent years. This was Samuel Huntington’s book, Who Are We? exploring the deconstruction of American identity by bilingualism, multiculturalism, and mass immigration. There was an attempt by various academic and multicultural bully-boys to crush Huntington and his thesis with the usual slurs of racism and nativism. But this failed when a list of undeniably distinguished scholars rode gallantly (since some disagreed with him) to his defense. Following that, the topics raised by Huntington became respectable and common fare for such outlets as City Journal and even The Weekly Standard. [A personal note may be in order here: I do not include National Review in this company since the magazine has been strongly in favor of conservative immigration reform since 1992. Contrary to some mythology on this topic, I remain on the magazine’s masthead, I write regularly for it (on immigration among other topics), and I am perfectly content with how it has handled immigration since 1997. In particular, both the magazine and the website played an indispensable role in the defeat of the 2006 and 2007 immigration bills.]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:56:50pm |
re: #318 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Tell him that where you've been they eat cats. If he's smart, should help. /
NO, I'd be scared to tell him that.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:58:08pm |
I didn't even realize O'Sullivan was British until now. Knew Derbyshire was but not O'Sullivan. Brimelow of VDARE is British too right?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:58:45pm |
re: #324 Gus
This is most of the blather from O'Sullivan:
So, let me get this straight. A Brit is telling us his verdict on America? What did they run him out of England and FoxDrones was the only place he could find a job?
Like that other guy who is on Fox --drives me crazy.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:59:02pm |
American identity? There used to be pockets of European immigrants that only spoke their native languages. There were ghettos, neighborhoods, reservations, etc. There wasn't a uniquely defined "American identity."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:59:03pm |
re: #326 HappyWarrior
Malkin is an immigrant too.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:59:42pm |
re: #329 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Malkin is an immigrant too.
Like RC Converts & xsmokers--newbies can be the worst.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:59:48pm |
re: #326 HappyWarrior
I didn't even realize O'Sullivan was British until now. Knew Derbyshire was but not O'Sullivan. Brimelow of VDARE is British too right?
Yes. I think Derbyshire was also an illegal at one point. I'd have to check.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:00:08pm |
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:00:14pm |
re: #329 Capricious Casserole of Calamity
Malkin is an immigrant too.
I thought she was an anchor baby?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:00:27pm |
re: #331 Gus
Yes. I think Derbyshire was also an illegal at one point. I'd have to check.
He was- he even admitted it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:00:59pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:01:20pm |
re: #330 ggt
Like RC Converts & xsmokers--newbies can be the worst.
Actually I think that's true of any convert. You know what they said about the Normans who settled in Ireland? That they became more Irish than the Irish themselves.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:01:56pm |
re: #327 ggt
So, let me get this straight. A Brit is telling us his verdict on America? What did they run him out of England and FoxDrones was the only place he could find a job?
Like that other guy who is on Fox --drives me crazy.
So, if someone from ultra-conservative Uganda came here and gave a verdict --would that be OK?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:02:38pm |
re: #336 HappyWarrior
Actually I think that's true of any convert. You know what they said about the Normans who settled in Ireland? That they became more Irish than the Irish themselves.
Ale and wiskey can have that effect.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:04:39pm |
He mentioned Samuel P. Huntington's book:
Who Are We and immigration
Huntington's last book, Who Are We? The Challenges to America's National Identity, was published in May 2004. Its subject is the meaning of American national identity and the possible cultural threat posed to it by large-scale Latino immigration, which Huntington warns could "divide the United States into two peoples, two cultures, and two languages".
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:04:42pm |
re: #339 ggt
Ale and wiskey can have that effect.
Yep. I think I've actually witnessed the convert's zeal with a guy I kind of know. Converted from Baptist to RCC. Clearly loves being RCC and it seems to make him happy so I guess more power to him but he's gosh awfully defensive of the RCC to the point where those of who like me who were baptized RCC have to have him tone it down.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:05:45pm |
re: #341 HappyWarrior
Yep. I think I've actually witnessed the convert's zeal with a guy I kind of know. Converted from Baptist to RCC. Clearly loves being RCC and it seems to make him happy so I guess more power to him but he's gosh awfully defensive of the RCC to the point where those of who like me who were baptized RCC have to have him tone it down.
They seem to be needing a group identity and really don't get that those of us who were raised in it think they are nuts for converting.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:09:12pm |
re: #342 ggt
They seem to be needing a group identity and really don't get that those of us who were raised in it think they are nuts for converting.
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That's been my observations of converts. It kind of amuses me. But we're all on our own journey in some way of form whether it be spiritual or secular.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:11:18pm |
re: #292 ggt
I think plenty of hunters would gladly donate their time and shot to support a food pantry. I also think it is more than fair that they get to keep some of the meat.
If it's truly a donation sure, but that implies free will. If the argument is that an agreement to give up a certain percentage of the meat should be a legal precondition to paying for and acquiring a deer tag then I've got a problem with it. Mainly that it would create another incentive to poach for the hunter who's only goal is to feed themselves and their family. I'd rather just raise taxes.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:12:15pm |
OK, now I'm upstairs.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:13:10pm |
re: #340 Gus
He mentioned Samuel P. Huntington's book:
Bzzt...
Hypocrisy, double standards, and "but nots" are the price of universalist pretensions. Democracy is promoted, but not if it brings Islamic fundamentalists to power; nonproliferation is preached for Iran and Iraq, but not for Israel; free trade is the elixir of economic growth, but not for agriculture; human rights are an issue for China, but not with Saudi Arabia; aggression against oil-owning Kuwaitis is massively repulsed, but not against non-oil-owning Bosnians. Double standards in practice are the unavoidable price of universal standards of principle —— The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order. -- Samuel_P._Huntington
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:14:32pm |
re: #344 goddamnedfrank
If it's truly a donation sure, but that implies free will. If the argument is that an agreement to give up a certain percentage of the meat should be a legal precondition to paying for and acquiring a deer tag then I've got a problem with it. Mainly that it would create another incentive to poach for the hunter who's only goal is to feed themselves and their family. I'd rather just raise taxes.
No, it's have to be regular hunters. I don't think any of the guys I know would have a problem with it. I was thinking that it would be something like you get to hunt more than your legal alotment, but you have to donate the overage.
There would be a pre-determined alotment etc. I mean, the hunter would only pay to slaughter the one he kept --food pantry or whoever would have to pay for the what they get.
I'm sure it's been worked-out before by others better versed in the subject than me.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:15:59pm |
re: #346 Gus
Bzzt...
old meme/paranoia of your own tools being used against you.
twists and turns, freaking psychotic thinking, IMHO.
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wheat-dogg Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:04:14am |
I'm coming late to the party, because of work and time zone differences. Considering all the comments about Mitt's psychological profile, I feel compelled to say something.
Observation 1: Mitt resembles a few of the very privileged people I met while at my Ivy League uni: completely inauthentic and totally self-absorbed. By this I mean they are charming and glib, but leave you with the impression that all their polite manners were drilled into them as children at home and at boarding school. Underneath that polished exterior lies someone who would not think twice about stabbing you in the back (figuratively speaking) if it meant he or she could benefit from it. Think of Iago as a literary prototype.
Observation 2: Mitt fails at the charming and glib part of #1. He tries, but fails hopelessly. In addition, he seems utterly clueless that his malaprops and weak attempts of "relating to people" are just not working. He's really good at maintaining the outwardly cool and in-control appearance, so any self-doubt, if it exists, must be suppressed pretty deeply.
Observation 3: His lack of awareness of his dog's plight, and misapprehension of why many are upset by the callous treatment of his family pet speaks volumes about his self-absorption and cluelessness. Regardless of what kind of kennel the dog was in, carrying the animal on the roof of one's car is inconceivably stupid. Words fail me.
Conclusion: I don't trust him one iota. It's not his politics, which change with the wind, that puts me off particularly. It's the creepiness factor I get whenever I see or read about him. The man is too plastic and seemingly in control all the time, which makes me wonder what he's like in private life. Does he get angry? Throw things? Cry? Laugh? Act goofy (deliberately, I mean)? Or are all those emotions suppressed behind his plastic persona? Sooner or late, repressed emotions/ behavior find a way out, sometimes in a bad way. He supposedly doesn't drink, doesn't whore around, doesn't smoke. So, what's left to release pent-up emotions and self-doubts? With all the well known pressures of a presidency, how long would it be before Romneybot 2.0 had a BSOD and went wacko?
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sean6886politik Wed, Apr 18, 2012 9:15:41am |
But Ann RMoney, an expert on working Mothers, the economy and what women want, said the dog, "loved it".
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JEA62 Wed, Apr 18, 2012 9:35:36am |
Honestly, can we finally stop with this? We're electing the next leader of the free word. I honestly don't give a ___ that the damn dog rode on the roof of the car or that Obama ate dog meat at 9.
This is freakin' kindergarten level ___.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Apr 18, 2012 9:37:08am |
re: #351 JEA62
Honestly, can we finally stop with this? We're electing the next leader of the free word. I honestly don't give a ___ that the damn dog rode on the roof of the car or that Obama ate dog meat at 9.
This is freakin' kindergarten level ___.
You think the dog incident doesn't characterize Romney in any way?
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wheat-dogg Wed, Apr 18, 2012 10:45:05pm |
re: #351 JEA62
Honestly, can we finally stop with this? We're electing the next leader of the free word. I honestly don't give a ___ that the damn dog rode on the roof of the car or that Obama ate dog meat at 9.
This is freakin' kindergarten level ___.
It's not just the dog on the roof incident. It's the Romneys' explanation and rationalization of the incident that's disturbing. As some others have said here, if Mitt had said, "Well, it was a dumb mistake, and I'll never do it again," I'd cut him some slack. Instead, he acts like it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do; the only bad part was (chuckle!) having to stop halfway to hose down the dog and the kennel.
By the way, he was a grown man of 42ish at the time. He can and should be held accountable for poor judgment.
As for Obama, who was 9 at the time, he ate dog in a part of the world where it is acceptable to eat dog. He didn't slaughter and cook the dog himself.
Of course, if he had eaten -- or better yet, shot and field-dressed -- a moose, it would be just fine, right?
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