Breitbart Coroner’s Report: Heart Failure

Caused by hardening of the opinions
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The Los Angeles County coroner’s office announced today that Andrew Breitbart died of heart failure caused by hardening of the arteries.

The office ruled that the cause of Breitbart’s death was heart failure and hypertropic cardiomyopathy with focal coronary atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries.

Coroner’s officials deemed the death “natural,” and toxicology tests detected no illicit drugs in Breitbart’s system. His blood-alcohol level was 0.04%.

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1 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 5:54:24pm
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2 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 5:54:44pm

Jesus, the man was five years older than I am.

Was he being treated for the atherosclerosis?

3 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 5:55:09pm

Waiting for a Friday afternoon to release the results?

I question the timing.
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4 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 5:55:23pm

I think it was hardening of the heart.

5 shecky  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 5:55:52pm

His gluttony for rage couldn't have helped much.

6 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 5:57:56pm

I totally thought his, uh, oomph was enhanced by coke. Seems it was just your day to day right wing hate & the great American quest for fame & fortune.

Be careful haters. He left kids.

7 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 5:58:30pm

Using Ockham's razor, we can deduce that Obama controls the Los Angeles County coroner’s office.

8 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:00:56pm

Let that be the end of it, then. So long Andy.

9 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:05:57pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Let that be the end of it, then. So long Andy.

Nope, the derp lives on...

Paulrevered1776

Will there be a private autopsy?
---
oregontea

Well, did anyone expect any different finding to be released?

If an entire nation can be fooled and intimidated, a coroner in LA ain't no problem.

We will never really be sure.

RIP Andrew.

10 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:07:56pm

Had to downding. I don't think attributing the death of someone not a violent malefactor to "hardening of opinions" is funny or in good taste. But that's my opinion, I could be wrong.

11 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:10:45pm

I just saw this, and its very cool news:

Bald Eagles Nest in Cook County Forest Preserves:

If you were a kid growing up in the Chicago area over the last several decades, chances are you can’t remember ever seeing a bald eagle. That’s because forty years ago, eagles were exceedingly rare in the Midwest, put on the ecological ropes by the pesticide DDT, habitat destruction, and poaching. But after the chemical’s ban in the 1970s, along with increased habitat protections, bald eagle populations began to increase. Over the last decade, eagle flyovers have become increasingly common. Kids today have the best chance in a generation to see our national symbol where we live—and it may be getting even more common in the years to come, thanks to recent developments.

The Forest Preserve District of Cook County just revealed for the first time that a pair of American bald eagles are nesting on forest preserve property in Palos Township, in the southwest suburbs of Chicago. From a tall tree that juts above the woodland canopy with a commanding view of the slough below, the eagles hunt on surrounding waterways, carrying food back to the hatchlings. While Forest Preserve District wildlife biologists haven’t yet verified the number of young in the nest, in early April the parents suddenly began to show intense interest in the nest contents, suggesting the presence of eggs or hatchlings. Last week, the fuzzy heads of hatchlings appeared to surface above the nest rim.

12 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:12:23pm

re: #9 Kragar

Nope, the derp lives on...

Paulrevered1776

Will there be a private autopsy?
---
oregontea

Well, did anyone expect any different finding to be released?

If an entire nation can be fooled and intimidated, a coroner in LA ain't no problem.

We will never really be sure.

RIP Andrew.

There's a couple comments there from folks who saw him in the last year, who state that he didn't look healthy even then. So, I guess there is some small slivers of sanity left in the world.

13 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:12:54pm

I'll stay quiet on this one and simply mourn the passing of a fellow human who I disagreed with.

14 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:13:03pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

Had to downding. I don't think attributing the death of someone not a violent malefactor to "hardening of opinions" is funny or in good taste. But that's my opinion, I could be wrong.

Where are you seeing this?

15 jaunte  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:13:33pm

It's strange reading about the death "from natural causes" of someone so much younger than I.
0.04 blood alcohol level is only about two drinks.

16 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:13:39pm

It was HAARP, what else could harden the arteries inside a mans chest without being detected? Stop the cover-up and demand that the Government admit to using technology derived from captured space aliens to assassinate Breitbart!!1!11

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17 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:13:51pm

On the other hand, when he was alive, Andrew Breitbart didn't hesitate to smear me using any means at hand, and often incited his thousands of followers to do the same.

"Hardening of the opinions" is the mildest possible criticism I could offer of Andrew Breitbart, who had an incredibly negative influence on the right wing Internet (which didn't need any more negative influences).

18 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:14:44pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I'll stay quiet on this one and simply mourn the passing of a fellow human who I disagreed with.

Thanks!!

19 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:14:52pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

On the other hand, when he was alive, Andrew Breitbart didn't hesitate to smear me using any means at hand, and often incited his thousands of followers to do the same.

"Hardening of the opinions" is the mildest possible criticism I could offer of Andrew Breitbart, who had an incredibly negative influence on the right wing Internet (which didn't need any more negative influences).

Fair enough. Upding and BBL.

20 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:17:04pm

More...

IJustWantTruth

No f-ing way his blood alcohol was .04. Complete BS.. Go back and review the events of the night.

The founder of this website's autopsy is posted and the article quotes from the results verbatim. No third party is interviewed. No skeptic quoted. No investigation. No interview of family. No interview of breitbart prior doctors. Comple f-ing zero. I'm having very negative thoughts about the lack of journalism concerning the death of a hero of journalism.

I'm archiving this post. If it doesn't appear here, I am going to social media war.

RAGE! RAGE AGAINST THE DYING OF THE DERP!

21 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:21:56pm

I'm going to re-post

Hitchens last words

And then his last words. As he lay dying, he asked for a pen and paper and tried to write on it. After a while, he finished, held it up, looked at it and saw that it was an illegible assemblage of scribbled, meaningless hieroglyphics. "What's the use?" he said to Steve Wasserman. Then he dozed a little, and then roused himself and uttered a couple of words that were close to inaudible. Steve asked him to repeat them. There were two:

"Capitalism."

"Downfall."

[Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]

Hitch v Breitbart. Are there any quotes?

22 palomino  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:23:45pm

Breitbart didn't die yesterday. It's NOT TOO SOON to criticize or even make a little joke about him.

23 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:29:08pm

re: #22 palomino

Breitbart didn't die yesterday. It's NOT TOO SOON to criticize or even make a little joke about him.

Youtube Video
24 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:29:50pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Do you mourn the passing of every human being? Because sheesh, that's a lot o' mourning.

25 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:31:28pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I'll stay quiet on this one and simply mourn the passing of a fellow human who I disagreed with.

You didn't stay quiet. You took his death and used it as a prop in your performance of "I'm the only reasonable person here."

That's fucking foul.

26 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:33:04pm

Breitbart's existence was like daffodils blowing in the wind. No. Wait.

Same people holding their breath will have a party once Fidel (oh so fearful Fidel) dies.

27 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:33:36pm

re: #24 Obdicut

Do you mourn the passing of every human being? Because sheesh, that's a lot o' mourning.

One might say they care, but the human brain isn't wired that way.

28 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:35:33pm

Bryan Fischer announces that he is a "homo-philiac":

29 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:36:42pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Bryan Fischer announces that he is a "homo-philiac":

That explains the huge collection of research material.
/

30 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:36:56pm

Anyone think it's a coincidence that the LA Coroner made this announcement late in the day on a Friday?

31 efuseakay  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:38:28pm

Ironic....

Youtube Video

Fear Runs Wild In The Veins Of The World
The Hate Turns The Skies Jet Black
Death Is Assured In Future Plans
Why Live If There's Nothing There

32 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:38:51pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Bryan Fischer announces that he is a "homo-philiac":

snerk.

Bryan, you really should check a dictionary before you make up a word. Trust me, -philiac is even worse than -phile. Neither, of course, mean what you're trying to say.

Oh, dear. I get to end the day laughing. It is a good day, after all.

33 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:39:19pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Anyone think it's a coincidence that the LA Coroner made this announcement late in the day on a Friday?

On Hitler's birthday no less!
/

34 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:40:25pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Anyone think it's a coincidence that the LA Coroner made this announcement late in the day on a Friday?

Well, I'm wondering if the cause is similar to Whitney. Arteries. Too young. Hmmm. That's my conspiracy theory.

35 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:42:36pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea's rule of law

A coroner falsifying a report is very, very, very unlikely.

36 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:44:37pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea's rule of law

Well, I'm wondering if the cause is similar to Whitney. Arteries. Too young. Hmmm. That's my conspiracy theory.

The biggest conspiracy of all; No one has told the average person they're not important enough for anyone to spend the time, money or effort on to fool with a grand conspiracy.

37 jaunte  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:45:21pm

It's not unusual.

Hardening of the arteries is a progressive condition that may begin in childhood. Fatty streaks can develop in the aorta (the largest blood vessel supplying blood to both the upper and lower part of the body) shortly after birth. In those people with familial history of high cholesterol, the condition may worsen rapidly in the early 20s and progressively become more severe in the 40s and 50s.

In the United States, approximately 1.5 million heart attacks occur annually, and more than 11 million Americans have been diagnosed as having coronary artery disease. According to the American Heart Association 2004 Heart and Stroke Statistical Update, arteriosclerosis accounts for nearly 75% of all deaths from heart disease.
[Link: www.emedicinehealth.com...]

38 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:46:12pm

No conspiracy - they're just trying to stay out of the weekday news grinder as much as possible. Release it late Friday afternoon and most people never even hear about it.

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:46:16pm

My grandfather died of a heart condition when he was 47. My mother and her siblings, of course, reported this to their doctors and two of them have lived into their 60's with medical intervention.

Heart conditions can be genetic, and his children should be aware of this fact.

40 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:52:31pm

re: #35 Obdicut

Just popping in to confirm the email you got was indeed from me :)

41 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 6:55:24pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

No conspiracy - they're just trying to stay out of the weekday news grinder as much as possible. Release it late Friday afternoon and most people never even hear about it.

AND they keep him out of the news.

42 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:06:42pm

Noticed this story from Charles in the Pages:

Ghosts of a Genocide: The Contentious Ethnic Politics of Bosnia

I'm putting odds of the Serbians destroying the memorial and disinterring the dead at 80%. The Serbs loved what they did in the 90's. I have no faith in Serbians or Serbia at all.

43 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:11:06pm

Why is no one here?

44 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:13:15pm

Contemplating alcoholic beverage. And sushi v burger.

45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:15:51pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

he looks about 60 in that picture

46 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:16:11pm

re: #44 Stanley Sea's rule of law

This is the deadest I have ever seen LGF.

47 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:17:15pm

re: #46 ProGunLiberal

It's 10:15 on a Friday night.

I'm headed out to have a few drinks with my wife.

48 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:20:12pm

re: #46 ProGunLiberal

This is the deadest I have ever seen LGF.

We don't have anything nice to say about Breitbart, so we're not saying much of anything at all.

49 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:20:37pm

re: #48 Shvaughn

We don't have anything nice to say about Breitbart, so we're not saying much of anything at all.

Exactly!

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:21:15pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea's rule of law

Breitbart's existence was like daffodils blowing in the wind. No. Wait.

Same people holding their breath will have a party once Fidel (oh so fearful Fidel) dies.

I'll probably have a couple of drinks for that one, but Fidel affected a whole lot more people's lives than Andrew Breitbart ever managed.

Poor bastard did his best, but never rose to more than a rabble-rouser.

51 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:22:15pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. I admit that I thought he died of Drug use or something similar

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:22:47pm

re: #45 windupbird is in the gravity well

he looks about 60 in that picture

Live hard, yell a lot...

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:24:39pm

re: #51 ProGunLiberal

Yeah. I admit that I thought he died of Drug use or something similar

Wouldn't have surprised me, no. I wonder if that last really weird meltdown--'stop raping people', that one--was because the hardening arteries were affecting his blood flow and screwing him up. In a more peaceable man, it might have been noticed as symptomatic behavior. In him, everyone thought he was just drunk, or wasted.

54 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:25:49pm

Meat world calling. See you peeps tom. Have a fun 4/20.

55 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:26:33pm

re: #46 ProGunLiberal

This is the deadest I have ever seen LGF.

I'm playing video games.

56 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:30:54pm
57 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:32:21pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Why is Dan Riehl searching youtube for gay videos?

58 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:33:25pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Wow, Riehl is an asshole.

59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:44:17pm

re: #58 Shvaughn

Wow, Riehl is an asshole.

it's so cute when old republicans try and troll :D

60 palomino  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:55:24pm

re: #58 Shvaughn

Wow, Riehl is an asshole.

Maybe Riehl sees an opening--he can be the new Breitbart!

61 palomino  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 7:57:09pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I'll stay quiet on this one and simply mourn the passing of a fellow human who I disagreed with.

You're STILL mourning Andrew Breitbart?

62 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:03:00pm

So.... Any 4/20 celebrations underway?

63 nines09  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:03:55pm

Uh oh.....

64 palomino  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:04:08pm

re: #62 Daniel Ballard

So... Any 4/20 celebrations underway?

Yes, indeed. Rolling right along here.

65 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:10:13pm

I mourn the passing of Jesse Helms, a fellow human being who I disagreed with lol troll

66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:11:21pm

I mourn the passing of Father Coughlin as well lolol i am on a blog being serious blog commenter

67 allegro  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:21:01pm

We could mourn the passing of this thread.

68 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:23:08pm

re: #67 allegro

We could mourn the passing of this thread.

Amen.

69 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:25:31pm

He is dead, regardless of the cause. Just let it go Lizards. Because if you hang on to this stone, it will drag you down.

70 austin_blue  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:26:19pm

He had a heart?

I'm shocked.

71 allegro  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:26:56pm

re: #69 Bubblehead II

He is dead, regardless of the cause. Just let it go Lizards. Because if you hang on to this stone, it will drag you down.

If anyone was hanging on this thread would still be alive. It's dead, Jim.

72 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:28:14pm
Youtube Video
73 allegro  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:28:51pm

We could discuss the nitrogen-oxygen feedback mechanism in intertidal gastropods.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:31:13pm

re: #73 allegro

We could discuss the nitrogen-oxygen feedback mechanism in intertidal gastropods.

Go for it. I'll nod, periodically.

75 allegro  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:33:08pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Go for it. I'll nod, periodically.

Once upon a time there was this little snail that got the bends...

76 allegro  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:35:44pm

... and did you know that snails explode if you try to heat them in the microwave?

77 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:36:08pm

re: #75 allegro

Once upon a time there was this little snail that got the bends...

Youtube Video
78 allegro  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:37:34pm

Must go out in the rain for walkies before my dogs explode.

79 Lidane  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:38:04pm

Hardened arteries and heart failure at 43? Wow.

80 Kragar  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:38:59pm

re: #79 Lidane

Hardened arteries and heart failure at 43? Wow.

Drinking crisco will do that to you.

81 labman57  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:42:56pm

Gee, and I assumed that he simply choked on his own vitriol.

82 freetoken  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:45:26pm

re: #79 Lidane

Hardened arteries and heart failure at 43? Wow.

There are some people who are highly predisposed towards atherosclerosis:

Genetic basis of atherosclerosis: insights from mice and humans.

Having said that, lifestyle and especially diet is highly important.

83 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 8:55:37pm

re: #57 Kragar

Why is Dan Riehl searching youtube for gay videos?

Because he lacks any real talent, even for insults, so he just flings lame stuff at Charles.

84 freetoken  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 9:20:40pm

Earlier today I linked to the story about the NC teacher giving a creationism extra credit task:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The story is getting some coverage around the net. Courtesy of a blog dedicated to the Wake County, NC, school district, we have a link to a PDF of the extra credit assignment:
[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]

What strikes me about the assignment isn't that it is inherently wrong to have students learn about what is essentially incorrect views - learning from others' mistakes is valuable, and discussing controversy is educational - but rather the insight in the last paragraph:

Note: Students should be careful where they find their information on internet. Make sure to use reputable websites and sources, especially on the creation topic. Some good sites to visit are Answers In Genesis, Creation Research Society, and the Institute of Creation Research.

Anyone who thinks AiG, CRS, or the ICR are "reputable" clearly has an agenda. There are creationists with websites who are much more honest and transparent, and include a much more coherent understanding of evolution (e.g., Todd Wood), but instead of recommending them (or any of the myriad of standard science sites that analyze creationists' claims) the teacher recommends the con-men of ICR and AiG.

85 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 9:23:01pm

Gee, I have nothing to do.

I know, I should go read that obituary for the 12 year girl that I knew as a toddler that died.

That'll cheer me right up.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 9:24:00pm

re: #85 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Gee, I have nothing to do.

I know, I should go read that obituary for the 12 year girl that I knew as a toddler that died.

That'll cheer me right up.

Oh. So, so sorry to hear that.

87 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 9:24:57pm

Night Lizards (and Charles). As I Stated a short time ago. Let go of the Stone. It will only drag you down and in the end, drown you in the same sea of hate that he resided in.

Andrew was who he was. But now, he is no more. His echo may resonate with some, but over time, this will fade (I hope).

Let's not copy his (and his followers) methods, instead let us look forward, without regard to political considerations or individual preferences as to what is best for the Human Race as a whole.

With that, I head to bed.

88 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 9:25:05pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. So, so sorry to hear that.

Stupid accident. Her mother put up a Facebook post about waking up the morning after she died, and going to see the sunrise, just because.

They did donate her organs.

89 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 9:48:22pm

re: #88 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Stupid accident. Her mother put up a Facebook post about waking up the morning after she died, and going to see the sunrise, just because.

They did donate her organs.

Thankfully I just read that the little boy I've been praying for all day is safely out of surgery for a shunt to relieve hydrocephalic pressure. He'd been misdiagnosed since birth as having autism but kept having seizures. That was in Alabama. Up in Washington state, they actually did a CT. But things will, I hope, get better for him and his family.

There's some kind of parable there about our health care system in there but I'll let someone else figure it out and simply leave you with this that I took while thinking of him earlier today.

[Link: picasaweb.google.com...]

90 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 9:50:12pm

re: #89 William Barnett-Lewis

Thankfully I just read that the little boy I've been praying for all day is safely out of surgery for a shunt to relieve hydrocephalic pressure. He'd been misdiagnosed since birth as having autism but kept having seizures. That was in Alabama. Up in Washington state, they actually did a CT. But things will, I hope, get better for him and his family.

There's some kind of parable there about our health care system in there but I'll let someone else figure it out and simply leave you with this that I took while thinking of him earlier today.

[Link: picasaweb.google.com...]

That's a lovely photo.

91 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 10:00:29pm

Gulf seafood deformities alarm scientists

....Tracy Kuhns and her husband Mike Roberts, commercial fishers from Barataria, Louisiana, are finding eyeless shrimp.

"At the height of the last white shrimp season, in September, one of our friends caught 400 pounds of these," Kuhns told Al Jazeera while showing a sample of the eyeless shrimp.

According to Kuhns, at least 50 per cent of the shrimp caught in that period in Barataria Bay, a popular shrimping area that was heavily impacted by BP's oil and dispersants, were eyeless. Kuhns added: "Disturbingly, not only do the shrimp lack eyes, they even lack eye sockets."

92 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 10:04:04pm

re: #62 Daniel Ballard

So... Any 4/20 celebrations underway?

Since 12:01 last night ;)

Vaping headband in the volcano. Good fun.

93 freetoken  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 10:11:35pm

re: #91 Amory Blaine

According to Kuhns, at least 50 per cent of the shrimp caught in that period in Barataria Bay, a popular shrimping area that was heavily impacted by BP's oil and dispersants, were eyeless. Kuhns added: "Disturbingly, not only do the shrimp lack eyes, they even lack eye sockets."

Evolution! Oh... wait...

94 Lidane  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 10:24:43pm

re: #82 freetoken

I don't doubt there's a genetic part to dying that young from heart failure. A friend of mine from high school just got diagnosed with pulmonary valve stenosis after her grandmother died of heart disease. She had no clue that there was even anything wrong with her heart. She ended up having to undergo a balloon valvuloplasty a few months back.

Still, you're right. Diet and lifestyle, including stress management, can make all the difference.

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 11:01:09pm

re: #92 Amory Blaine

good times

96 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 11:10:36pm

It's sad he died so young. Tragic.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 20, 2012 11:56:38pm

re: #96 Kronocide

It's sad he died so young. Tragic.

He had kids. I feel bad for them.

98 freetoken  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:31:44am
MP3 Audio
99 Kragar  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:49:21am

Men at Work musician Greg Ham found dead

100 AK-47%  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:50:40am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Bryan Fischer announces that he is a "homo-philiac":

[Embedded content]

There's a fine line between stating that your religious beliefs are against the practice of homosexuality and asserting that homosexuals are a threat to society and marriage and must be combatted with legislation and brute force if necessary...

Brian Fisher crossed this line ages ago, but in his mind he is just gently remonstrating them of the Lord's displeasure at their lifestyle...

101 AK-47%  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:53:23am

re: #39 Mostly sane, most of the time.

My grandfather died of a heart condition when he was 47. My mother and her siblings, of course, reported this to their doctors and two of them have lived into their 60's with medical intervention.

Heart conditions can be genetic, and his children should be aware of this fact.

I have just outlived my father, who died of a hear attack just before his 53rd birthday.

He had some other complicating issues: a previous car accident had smashed his legs and left him with a lot of scar tissue. Also made it hard for him to get out and get excercise, and his diet was that of your typical American working-class male of the late 60's. bacon and eggs for breakfast, burgers for lunch, pot roast for dinner, etc...

102 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:55:21am

Good morning.

103 AK-47%  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 1:03:27am

re: #99 Kragar

Men at Work musician Greg Ham found dead

A girlfriend of mine came from Landau, Germany.

We were touring the town and came to a medieval cloister. At which point I asked, "Do you come from the Landau nunnery?"

She hit me.

(And I deserved it.)

104 researchok  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 1:22:17am

Morning, all

105 researchok  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 1:25:24am

re: #98 freetoken

Still painful

106 researchok  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 1:38:06am

re: #82 freetoken

Another reason stem cell research is so important.

107 Aye Pod  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 1:54:07am

re: #61 palomino

You're STILL mourning Andrew Breitbart?

I'm wondering what "mourn" could possibly mean regarding someone you didn't know and didn't like, other than a weak attempt to don the robes of piety. Ugh.

Jimmah, wearing the pyjamas of consternation.

108 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 2:16:26am

I didn't care for him when he was alive, and I don't care that he died. But the autopsy should be a reminder to not just sit in an angry chair all day tapping the keyboard. Life is too short, and it gets even shorter if you don't take care of yourself.

109 freetoken  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 3:31:27am
MP3 Audio
110 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 4:03:41am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I'll stay quiet on this one and simply mourn the passing of a fellow human who I disagreed with.

Why do it twice? /

111 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 4:39:01am
MSNBC Video

Shakes head.
112 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 4:39:38am

BTW, awesome of Charles to allow embeds of more videos.
:)

113 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 4:40:27am

I see from Charles picture choice of Andrew the mourning period is over.

114 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 4:42:10am

re: #113 Tommy's cone of shame

I see from Charles picture choice of Andrew the mourning period is over.

I submit that Breitbart's anger contributed to his medical condition.

115 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 4:52:36am

re: #114 Varek Raith

My doctor says it is your lifestyle choices and your parents genes that contribute the most to heart disease. I'm sure Charles didn't have Andrew's latest head shot, but he is dead with little kids that miss him. I should prolly have a will written, now that I think about it.
This made me laugh, [Link: stlouis.cbslocal.com...]
I would rather have a nutter butter, but hey, oreos are okay too.

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:05:12am

re: #113 Tommy's cone of shame

I see from Charles picture choice of Andrew the mourning period is over.

Yeah, 24 hours since his death passed.

117 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:11:43am

Morning. Anyone see my pearls?

118 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:12:39am

I hate cracking an egg and finding out it is not fresh, cmere doggy!!

119 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:23:51am

Your morning derp:

Secularism in America: Growing American movement raises concerns

WASHINGTON (CNS) -- Arianne Gasser of Canton, Ohio, is proud to call herself a graduate student at a prestigious Catholic university, and she also is proud to call herself an atheist.

The pride she has in her atheist status is part of what inspired her to travel from the Philadelphia area, where she is enrolled at Villanova University, to Washington in March to join thousands of other atheists, agnostics and other nonbelievers for the "Reason Rally," an event that was billed as an assembly to unify secular people nationwide.

[...]

Pecknold, who also is the author of the 2010 book "Christianity and Politics: A Brief Guide to the History," said secularism is a greater threat to humanity than to the Catholic Church because it could lead to great social unrest and fragmentation.

Vilification of Muslims in the United States following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania can be viewed as an example of secularists' intolerance.

[...]

Found by way of: Atheism in America Targeted by Pope; Good Luck with That, Pal

120 Aye Pod  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:26:40am

re: #119 Gus

Vilification of Muslims in the United States following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania can be viewed as an example of secularists' intolerance.

Wow. Did he manage to say that with a straight face?

121 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:29:25am

Secular terrorism on the rise!

122 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:30:29am

re: #120 Aye Pod

Wow. Did he manage to say that with a straight face?

They're all "well trained." I'm sure we could find most of the propagandists at Fox News saying the same thing. Which is not to say there isn't an atheist element in the butthurt anti-Jihad movement such as Pat Condell, Geert Wilders (who was an alleged atheist). But the obvious conclusion is that since this is a Judeo-Christian nation most of the attacks would come from Christians. They've been "at war" with Muslims for thousands of years. Most of us atheists are rather neutral about these things when you come down to it. Or at least prone towards a more rational way of thinking as opposed to letting some sky-monster do the thinking for us.

123 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:31:00am

re: #121 Kronocide

Secular terrorism on the rise!

In which I lob my irony bomb at churches and mosques!

//

124 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:31:14am

Followed by some "ironic mourning."

//

125 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:33:15am

Remembering Hitchens -- by David Frum

Before and after the service, the loudspeakers played The Internationale, the old anthem of the socialist movement. (The lyrics were mercifully sung in the original French, so as to spare us all the incongruity of hearing the words, "Arise ye workers from your slumbers; Arise ye prisoners of want" boomed out a ceremony sponsored by Vanity Fair magazine, names checked at the door by attractive young people in all-black clothes.)

Just started reading this.

126 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 5:40:51am

An example of stupid standardized testing:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The passage is a playful, interesting, satirical story. It can be interpreted in different ways. To ask 'right' and 'wrong' answers about it misses the point of the story.

The whole story is linked in there, and this won't make much sense until you read it, but: I personally think the hare was the wisest, because he knew a pineapple couldn't beat him in a race, whereas the owl may have been being simply literal rather than figurative, and so just observing something trivial.

127 dragonfire1981  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 6:13:00am

Zimmerman gets bail

128 dragonfire1981  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 6:17:30am

I don't know why links I post from my android phone don't work properly. See my most recent page for Zimmerman info.

129 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 6:41:56am

re: #126 Obdicut

An example of stupid standardized testing:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The passage is a playful, interesting, satirical story. It can be interpreted in different ways. To ask 'right' and 'wrong' answers about it misses the point of the story.

The whole story is linked in there, and this won't make much sense until you read it, but: I personally think the hare was the wisest, because he knew a pineapple couldn't beat him in a race, whereas the owl may have been being simply literal rather than figurative, and so just observing something trivial.

Yes, but how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?

130 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 6:48:01am

Looking at the Tempest in the Teapot. It's fascinating to watch propaganda accomplish its goals.

131 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 6:57:03am

re: #130 Gus

Which tempest? Which teapot?

132 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 6:57:40am

re: #131 Obdicut

Which tempest? Which teapot?

Oh. This. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I posted something finally after doing some Googling.

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 6:58:13am

re: #132 Gus

*staying away*

134 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 6:58:40am

re: #133 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

*staying away*

I think I did a fine job. ;)

135 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:00:54am

re: #134 Gus

There seems to be no subject to the discussion. As you point out, it is not known whether anything like that happened (letter by itself doesn't prove it). So when there will be facts, or at least reliable news items, then it may be fruitful to discuss this further.

136 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:02:34am

I welcome warmth, but I categorically do not welcome pollen. Grr.

137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:07:17am

re: #117 Gus

Morning. Anyone see my pearls?

That was my thought too. You know it's always strange to see hawkish, enhancement-interrogation-and-other-tough-measures-like-macing-defending, drone-celebrating, pro-indefinite-detention rugged cynics suddenly being reduced to sentimental moralism when it comes to some pretty vile far right figures.

138 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:07:47am

re: #135 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

There seems to be no subject to the discussion. As you point out, it is not known whether anything like that happened (letter by itself doesn't prove it). So when there will be facts, or at least reliable news items, then it may be fruitful to discuss this further.

Right. The reports I read do indicate that a Palestinian was arrested for an illegal home sale. The PA mayor of Hebron, Khaled Osaily, indicates that it was an illegal sale. The IDF ordered the eviction. The eviction took place under the watch of Israeli police. See Hebron mayor: Home sale was certainly fraudulent. All we have after this is a letter signed by Noam Arnon and David Wilder. That letter itself is the only existing "report" that I could see mentioning anything about a death sentence.

139 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:19:22am

We need some "test subjects" to watch The United West Live Stream - The Awakening 2012

Already hearing about "Islam is fascism" and something about destroying. This is the infamous The Awakening 2012 gathering.

140 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:20:12am

End times.

141 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:21:33am

"Ex terrorist" Kamal Saleem is speaking now.

[Link: theunitedwest.org...]

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:22:28am

re: #139 Gus

I put it on, but I expect a good report from right-wing watch.
So, is Yaalon supposed to appear in person, or as a tape?

143 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:22:59am

re: #140 Gus

End times.

No, I haven't decided when.
Yet.

144 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:23:26am

re: #143 Varek Raith

No, I haven't decided when.
Yet.

Promises, always promises.

145 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:23:32am

re: #142 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

I put it on, but I expect a good report from right-wing watch.
So, is Yaalon supposed to appear in person, or as a tape?

As far as I know in person. RWW is doing a pretty good job live Tweeting this for now.

146 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:24:33am

re: #145 Gus

As far as I know in person. RWW is doing a pretty good job live Tweeting this for now.

I would say, vice-Premier appearing in person is worse than the Premier appearing on tape. No "we didn't know, just sent them the tape" excuse.

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:27:11am

re: #145 Gus

How many millions were killed by Islam, he said?

148 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:27:38am

re: #147 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

How many millions were killed by Islam, he said?

Missed it. Just had to restart my browser.

149 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:28:13am

re: #147 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

How many millions were killed by Islam, he said?

150 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:28:48am

re: #149 Gus

Can I ask you to tweet to RWW that post I wrote awhile back?

151 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:29:18am

re: #150 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

Can I ask you to tweet to RWW that post I wrote awhile back?

Link for that?

152 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:30:00am

re: #149 Gus

Uhhhh....
Errrr....
Dear Wingnuts,

Like, look at the Earth's population from 1AD to 1600AD.

Yeah.
Jackasses.

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:30:27am

re: #151 Gus

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks!

154 bubba zanetti  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:30:47am

re: #81 labman57

Gee, and I assumed that he simply choked on his own vitriol.

But see, you can't dust for vitriol...


//spinaltarp

155 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:31:03am

re: #149 Gus

I await the RW outrage demanding an immediate invasion of Mongolia based on the same sort of criteria.
//

156 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:31:15am

I assume this guy is a fake, right?

157 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:32:07am

re: #156 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

I assume this guy is a fake, right?

Allegedly. This sure is creepy otherwise.

158 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:32:38am

re: #139 Gus

We need some "test subjects" to watch The United West Live Stream - The Awakening 2012

Already hearing about "Islam is fascism" and something about destroying. This is the infamous The Awakening 2012 gathering.

I'd rather watch this:

Youtube Video

Tweeted from here.

I'm seven minutes in, but the bikes are clamoring. And the paperwork is rustling impatiently.

159 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:32:56am

re: #157 Gus

Will google later. So many of those ex-terrorists turn out to be fake.

160 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:33:18am

"We're coming close to the clash of the cultures!"

161 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:33:43am

re: #159 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

Will google later. So many of those ex-terrorists turn out to be fake.

$$

162 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:34:05am
SHOCKING FACT 1,000,000 CHRISTIANS IN FLORIDA DO NOT VOTE!

how in God’s name can this be?

Lol

163 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:34:15am

re: #153 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks!

You need to make more pages, O Capacious Casserole of Canine. And tweet once in a while.

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:34:57am

re: #163 wrenchwench

I have something in mind, if I will dig something out, maybe will.

165 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:35:04am

Frank Gaffney will be speaking today.

166 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:36:41am

OK. Something about prostitution now. Can take a break since I'll assume that's normal evangelical stuff. More or less.

167 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:37:12am

re: #166 Gus

OK. Something about prostitution now. Can take a break since I'll assume that's normal evangelical stuff. More or less.

Sounds ambiguous! ;P

168 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:37:15am
169 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:38:01am

re: #167 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

Sounds ambiguous! ;P

Never underestimate the ability for these people to jump sharks. ;)

170 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:38:18am

re: #168 Gus

Stewie: You know, Mother, life is like a box of chocolates: You never know what you're going to get. Your life, however, is more like a box of active grenades!

171 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:38:26am

Uh. Mainstream media!

172 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:39:06am

Ted Nugent agrees to plead guilty in illegal bear kill

173 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:40:23am

Instead of ranting against porn she should... nah, I won't go there. //

174 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:40:25am

From earlier:

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:41:04am

re: #174 Gus

From earlier:

The Human Centipede school of political geography? /

176 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:41:12am

WTF.

177 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:41:14am

Seems like a rather... conflicting statement.

178 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:41:48am

re: #175 Capacious Casserole of Canine

The Human Centipede school of political geography? /

Thank you for that horrifying mental image so early in my day.

//

179 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:41:58am

God says WTF as well.

180 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:42:17am

re: #179 Varek Raith

God says WTF as well.

It is written.

181 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:42:31am

re: #178 Targetpractice

Thank you for that horrifying mental image so early in my day.

//

You're welcome.

182 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:44:21am

Oh geez.

183 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:44:42am

re: #182 Varek Raith

Oh geez.

You listening? I took a short break.

184 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:45:17am

re: #183 Gus

You listening? I took a short break.

ZOMG! Rap!
Seriously.

185 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:46:13am

Here's the schedule:

[Link: freedomfederation.org...]

186 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:46:34am

The LGBTQ (QIAAP) Agenda: Winning the Battle and Messaging the Masses – Sanctuary

Rena Lindevaldsen – Moderator
Matt Barber
Ryan Sorba
Cynthia Dunbar
Greg Quinlan

187 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:46:39am

This conference sucks, but at least they have a classy anthem.

Youtube Video
188 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:50:25am

re: #142 Capricious Casserole of Calamity

I put it on, but I expect a good report from right-wing watch.
So, is Yaalon supposed to appear in person, or as a tape?

He's listed under "special message" so it might have been a video:

Welcome – Mat Staver
Music – Debbie Hart
Speaker – Lila Rose Topic: Restoring the Sanctity of Human Life
Speaker –Ted Baehr Topic: Redeeming the Media
Speaker – Ken Blackwell Topic: Resurgent Conservatism
Speaker – Representative Daniel Webster
Music – Debbie Hart
Speaker – Representative John Mica
Special Message and Speaker – Moshe Ya’alon
Special Message and Speaker – Hon. Newt Gingrich
Closing, Prayer, Praise & Worship – Speakers – Mat Staver & Lou Engle
Dismiss – Mat Staver

Staver of course is known for Liberty Counsel: SPLC Doing To Us Just What Nazis Did To Jews

189 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:51:50am

Welcome to 1952.

190 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:55:35am

She's not ashamed to be a mom? Very courageous woman.

191 Artist  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:55:39am

re: #189 Gus

Welcome to 1952.

Are you, or have you ever been a COMMUNIST?!

//McCarthy

192 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 7:56:57am

Veteran Utah senator appears set to survive Tea Party challenge

As Utah Republicans head for a state nominating convention on Saturday, a poll suggests that veteran U.S. Senator Orrin Hatch will survive a bid by Tea Party challengers to unseat him as delegates take a more moderate turn.

193 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:01:40am

re: #188 Gus

He's listed under "special message" so it might have been a video:

Staver of course is known for Liberty Counsel: SPLC Doing To Us Just What Nazis Did To Jews

Mat Staver Accuses Obama of Backing 'Forced Abortion Funding' and 'Forced Homosexuality'

194 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:02:06am

Mat Staver at Right Wing Watch

195 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:05:27am

Afghan official: Explosives seized, attack stopped

Afghan security forces have arrested five militants with 10,000 kilograms (22,000 pounds) of explosives that they smuggled in from Pakistan to carry out a massive attack in Kabul, as well as another three suspects allegedly planning to assassinate the vice president, an official said Saturday.

196 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:06:15am

re: #194 Gus

Are those breakout sections televised? Judith Reisman speaks in one of those, and she used to link to the antisemitic conspiracy nut Henry Makow from her site for many years.

197 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:07:42am

re: #195 Killgore Trout

five militants with 10,000 kilograms (22,000 pounds)

4,400 lbs each in a backpack walking over the border IS kinda hard to hide!!

198 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:07:52am

re: #196 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Are those breakout sections televised? Judith Reisman speaks in one of those, and she used to link to the antisemitic conspiracy nut Henry Makow from her site for many years.

I don't think they'll televise that. Seems to be just the main hall being televised.

199 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:16:45am

Ugh. Frank Gaffney is on a panel.

[Link: theunitedwest.org...]

200 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:18:08am

So they are feeding the breakout sessions. Right now it's...

Radical Islam and National Security – Gym

John Stemberger – Moderator
Frank Gaffney
Kamal Saleem

201 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:19:22am

re: #200 Gus

So they are feeding the breakout sessions. Right now it's...

Radical Islam and National Security – Gym

John Stemberger – Moderator
Frank Gaffney
Kamal Saleem

John Stemberger is Pamela Geller's attorney for the Rifqa Bary mess.

202 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:25:34am

re: #201 Gus

John Stemberger is was Pamela Geller's attorney for the Rifqa Bary mess.

203 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:27:17am

re: #200 Gus

I see they show it after all.

204 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:27:29am

Gaffney going through some Major Nidal Malik Hasan-Jihad-Obama conspiracy.

205 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:27:46am

Sharia in Murica!

206 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:30:08am

"Muslim Brotherhood is taking over Egypt with-our-help!"

"Caliphate!"

207 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:31:40am

re: #206 Gus

Ooh, they found the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Mecca?

208 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:32:02am

There he goes. Muslim Brotherhood is an inside job. Inside the government. Both Republicans and Democrats.

He just blamed Grover Norquist.

209 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:35:50am

Now he's pushing some COEXIST conspiracy theory.

210 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:36:12am

re: #167 Capacious Casserole of Canine

LOL

It seems this lowly bicycle mechanic has a tiny bit of influence even in far away Russia!

BTTB [back to the bikes]

211 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:36:19am

Here we go. I detect blaming secularism.

212 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:36:23am

re: #208 Gus

There he goes. Muslim Brotherhood is an inside job. Inside the government. Both Republicans and Democrats.

He just blamed Grover Norquist.

Frank Gaffney is amazing: He's the only man who can get both liberal columnists and NR's Kevin D. Williamson to defend Grover Norquist. Norquist is wrong about many things, but he is no traitor.

213 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:36:59am

Mornin all. Have ya seen this BofA parody site?

[Link: yourbofa.com...]

214 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:37:03am

Chrislam!

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:37:45am

re: #209 Gus

Now he's pushing some COEXIST conspiracy theory.

Caroline Glick's most favorite nutso (aside from herself).

216 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:38:58am

re: #213 Daniel Ballard

Mornin all. Have ya seen this BofA parody site?

[Link: yourbofa.com...]

Heard the story on NPR. Apparently some (local I hope) media was fooled.

217 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:40:20am

re: #216 Stanley Sea's rule of law

The CEO letter is hilarious and sadly true

Dear Fellow American,

Welcome to your Bank of America.

Today, it's time to acknowledge that our Bank isn't working anymore—not just for the market, but for people, our real customers. We've paid $8.58 billion in relief to borrowers and $3.24 billion in fines. We face lawsuits and claims from citizens, companies, and state and local governments. There is even a petition with the Federal Reserve to break up our bank, adding yet more uncertainty to our position. Finally, we've found ourselves front-and-center in the national foreclosure crisis, and deep in unpopular investments like coal, at a time when climate change is a growing societal concern.

As a result, our company’s shares have fallen precipitously, and now trade at one-fifth their 2008 price. Our Bank may, in fact, soon need help keeping afloat—and much as in 2008, you, the American taxpayer, will be asked to provide that assistance.

The institutions you rescued in 2008 have continued much as they always were, engaging in the same practices that brought our economy so close to collapse. To make sure that this time around, things turn out differently, we at Bank of America are launching a forum in which you, the American taxpayer, can prepare for the time that you own us. By sharing ideas, and reading and rating the ideas of others, you can begin charting a course for this Bank—your course.

And when the day comes that you, the American taxpayer, own this Bank, you will be ready to make it a Bank for America—one that brings benefits not to the privileged only, but to all of our customers, and to all of our stakeholders too.

Welcome to your Bank of America.

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:40:30am

re: #214 Gus

We know who he would be railing against in Russia in 1914. With all the same arguments.

219 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:43:31am

Ray Gun!

220 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:44:27am

re: #219 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Ray Gun!

A REAGAN! who Ronald W. Reagan would not have recognized. BBL

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:44:55am

Interesting how some people can swim in millions of dollars just by peddling hate.

222 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:45:49am

re: #221 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Interesting how some people can swim in millions of dollars just by peddling hate.

The Anti-Jihad Industrial Complex is still alive.

223 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:47:02am

What is this, Dave Barton's slideshow? And yeah, 'America under Jesus' is sooo indicative of Judeo-Christianity (now you see it, now you don't).

224 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:51:25am

re: #223 Capacious Casserole of Canine

What is this, Dave Barton's slideshow? And yeah, 'America under Jesus' is sooo indicative of Judeo-Christianity (now you see it, now you don't).

Now back to Sharia!

225 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:52:12am

re: #224 Gus

Islam = Nazism.

226 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:52:54am

Obama sends money to Hamas!

227 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:53:52am

re: #226 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Obama sends money to Hamas!

The connection is complete!

Islam = Nazism. Obama send money to Hamas. Therefore, Obama is a Nazi.

228 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:54:07am

re: #225 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Islam = Nazism.

Radical Islam = Radical everything else

229 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:54:14am

WWIII!

230 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:54:31am

re: #227 Gus

The connection is complete!

Next speaker: vice-premier of Israel. /

231 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:54:57am

re: #226 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Obama sends money to Hamas!

Which reminds me. Here's that Hebron letter: [Link: www.hebron.com...]

232 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:55:39am

re: #228 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Radical Islam = Radical everything else

Like Democrats.

//

233 SpikeDad  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:56:52am

If we post hateful comments about Breitbart we're just as bad as all the right wing news sites and bloggers who take any chance to spew their racist and hate speech.

Guess that's why there is virtually NO hateful speech here in this LGF thread. It's because left and progressive people are BETTER than right wing and Tea Party people. The constant "it's just as bad on the left as on the right" drone from media (left and right) is one of the biggest lies that is spoken in the past 10 years.

Of course, it's a catch 22 since it's also the reason why liberals and progressives are losing elections even in the face of the reality of right-wing policies. They can neither incite nor follow reflexively the hate speech which right wing and conservatives find easy to say and believe.

It makes me very disenchanted and I find little reason for any improvement in the future. Perhaps Obama will get elected but this will be of little value as more places become even more Republicanized.

234 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:57:04am

It really is all connected. There are alliances and common narratives.

235 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:57:39am

re: #234 Gus

It really is all connected. There are alliances and common narratives.

Are you talking about World Events, or Games of Thrones?

236 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:58:46am

re: #235 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Are you talking about World Events, or Games of Thrones?

Factions.

237 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:59:54am

re: #236 Gus

Factions.

That didn't answer the question. Your answer could still apply to both.

238 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:01:12am

re: #237 Mostly sane, most of the time.

That didn't answer the question. Your answer could still apply to both.

No.

239 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:02:25am

Taqiyya!

240 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:03:08am

Fine. Then it all applies to the War of Roses.

241 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:03:15am

re: #239 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Taqiyya!

Tequila!

242 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:05:23am

re: #240 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Fine. Then it all applies to the War of Roses.

The civil war for the throne of England or the 1989 film with Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner??

243 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:05:58am

re: #242 sattv4u2

The civil war for the throne of England or the 1989 film with Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner??

Yorks and Lancasters, although I think Turner and Douglas were just as vicious.

244 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:06:48am

re: #239 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Taqiyya!

Missed that. Q and A coming up next. That should be a lot of fun.

245 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:08:22am

re: #244 Gus

LOL, for some time the camera was focusing on some guy till he noticed it and became grimacing.

246 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:12:52am

re: #245 Capacious Casserole of Canine

LOL, for some time the camera was focusing on some guy till he noticed it and became grimacing.

Have you been listening to the people in the audience? The mic is picking them up. They're freaking out in small moans.

247 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:13:57am

re: #246 Gus

I was just mulling whether to write about this. Stupid cows.

248 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:15:54am

Anti-Jihadist porn.

249 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:16:14am

re: #247 Capacious Casserole of Canine

I was just mulling whether to write about this. Stupid cows.

Bad move by Israel sending a message from Moshe Ya’alon. If he shows up in person I don't know. But that will still be considered incitement. The great circle-jerk cluster fuck will continue.

250 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:17:00am

re: #248 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Anti-Jihadist porn.

Worse than that. They just delved into all out anti-Islam talk. Not just Jihadism.

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:17:56am

re: #249 Gus

Special message indeed = tape, I'm pretty sure.

Cameraman again playing tricks with that funny guy.

252 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:20:48am

Now numb nuts is comparing SCOTUS's Roe v. Wade to bringing Sharia.

253 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:21:22am

Congressmen! They were allowed to swear on the Koran!

254 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:22:15am

"Anyone that swears on a Koran is swearing to abolish the nation he is swearing for..."

255 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:22:25am

Whoa!

256 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:22:52am

Lady just asked "Is out president Barrack HUSSEIN Obama a Muslim?"

257 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:23:04am

Ooooh. Obama a Muslim? Enthusiastic "Yes" from the stupid cow audience.

258 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:24:12am

re: #252 Gus

Now numb nuts is comparing SCOTUS's Roe v. Wade to bringing Sharia.

Yikes.

259 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:24:33am

Gaffney: Obama has been directed to conform to direction placed upon him by the Muslim Brotherhood.

260 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:24:37am

What is this conference guys? Sorry for being late.

261 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:25:16am

Now that fucking idiot "ex terrorist" just pushed the Obama didn't salute the flag urban legend.

262 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:25:27am

THIS IS FUCKED UP.

263 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:26:13am

Man, Obama's such a terrorist sympathizer. That's why he approved Bin Laden's mission to make US think he wasn't one. Gosh Obama may be blessed or cursed depending on how you look at things with some of the biggest morons for critics.

264 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:26:35am

re: #261 Gus

Now that fucking idiot "ex terrorist" just pushed the Obama didn't salute the flag urban legend.

Worse, "he saluted Allah".

265 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:29:15am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

What is this conference guys? Sorry for being late.

+1

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:29:57am

Obama's 'my Muslim faith' legend too. And "Obama praying in Mecca". Stormfront of course would be obsessed with Obama praying before the Wailing Wall.

267 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:30:28am

re: #262 Gus

THIS IS FUCKED UP.

QFT.

268 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:30:51am

Never mind. Still half asleep. So my reading comprehension is low.

Beg your pardon.

269 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:31:09am

re: #266 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Obama's 'my Muslim faith' legend too. And "Obama praying in Mecca". Stormfront of course would be obsessed with Obama praying before the Wailing Wall.

Replace Judaism with Islam but it's okay to do this with Islam because Muslims are you know the root of all evil.

270 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:31:25am

"How did the Muslim religion start and why do they want to take over the world?" - question from the audience.

271 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:33:42am

re: #270 Capacious Casserole of Canine

I'll be disappointed if the answer isn't "satan".

272 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:34:36am

re: #139 Gus

We need some "test subjects" to watch The United West Live Stream - The Awakening 2012

Already hearing about "Islam is fascism" and something about destroying. This is the infamous The Awakening 2012 gathering.

This is what we're talking about.

273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:35:53am

Tea Party! They've turned it into the pure political gathering now. Good job, Netanyahu, you've stepped right in what could be a gentler KKK gathering.

274 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:36:45am

re: #273 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Tea Party! They've turned it into the pure political gathering now. Good job, Netanyahu, you've stepped right in what could be a gentler KKK gathering.

He and his advisers should have known better.

275 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:37:50am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

He and his advisers should have known better.

They do know better. It's no accident.

276 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:38:08am

re: #275 Capacious Casserole of Canine

They do know better. It's no accident.

I am sure.

277 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:39:02am

Honestly, I can't wait for there to be a Muslim president so these people can literally shit their pants. Then again, I think that anti Muslim fear and paranoia would get even worse if we did.

278 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:39:07am

re: #270 Capacious Casserole of Canine

"How did the Muslim religion start and why do they want to take over the world?" - question from the audience.

How did the Muslim religion start? Maybe a little research before the conference is in order.

279 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:39:48am

Who's speaking now? My feed stalled.

280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:40:25am

re: #279 Gus

Who's speaking now? My feed stalled.

Session ended.

281 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:40:52am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

He and his advisers should have known better.

For some twisted shortsighted reason, Bibi wants this. He's a fool.

282 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:40:56am

re: #278 Amory Blaine

How did the Muslim religion start? Maybe a little research before the conference is in order.

Research? Research is for commie college students.

283 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:42:02am

re: #281 Stanley Sea's rule of law

For some twisted shortsighted reason, Bibi wants this. He's a fool.

He hopes his old friend Mitt will win.

284 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:43:05am

Any of you gettin the livestream chat feed?

285 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:43:21am

re: #233 SpikeDad
Great post.

My hope for the future isn't in any particular wing of politics but just that people will strive for logical and data driven solutions to the enormous problems facing mankind. The problem is that politics don't mix with logic and data.

286 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:43:56am

re: #283 Capacious Casserole of Canine

He hopes his old friend Mitt will win.

How do him and Mitt know each other? Didn't know they went way back.

287 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:44:07am

re: #284 Amory Blaine

It's a break now.

288 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:44:50am

re: #284 Amory Blaine

Any of you gettin the livestream chat feed?

No. Is there one? I'd hate to look at that.

289 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:45:47am

re: #288 Gus

It's off the right side of the live video feed. Except no one is really chatting.

290 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:45:58am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

How do him and Mitt know each other? Didn't know they went way back.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

291 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:46:18am

re: #281 Stanley Sea's rule of law

For some twisted shortsighted reason, Bibi wants this. He's a fool.

It's gonna be awkward as hell next time he meets President Obama. I mean damn here is the prime minister of one of our greatest allies attending a conference that accuses our president of supporting terrorism. I just don't get his logic here at all.

292 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:46:40am

re: #289 Amory Blaine

It's off the right side of the live video feed. Except no one is really chatting.

Ah. Not seeing that on my end. Good though. ;)

293 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:47:35am

re: #290 Capacious Casserole of Canine

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Oh GREAT.

294 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:47:42am

re: #290 Capacious Casserole of Canine

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Interesting, I didn't know they went that far back and were that tight.

295 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:49:54am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

It's gonna be awkward as hell next team he meets President Obama. I mean damn here is the president of one of our greatest allies attending a conference that accuses our president of supporting terrorism. I just don't get his logic here at all.

He won't be attending the conference. Vice-premier has sent a tape. Earlier it was planned that Bibi would send a tape, but it seems it was a bit too controversial. Of course, the fact that they downgraded their participation shows that they know exactly what this conference is about. It's still a hostile act.

296 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:53:41am

I wonder how much of the right wing support for Israel is religious in nature and how much of it is for secular reasons. My guess is oh about 100% for religious reasons. Israel would be just another dot on the map in a part of the world they couldn't care less about.

297 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:54:22am
In a telling exchange during a debate in December, Mr. Romney criticized Mr. Gingrich for making a disparaging remark about Palestinians, declaring: “Before I made a statement of that nature, I’d get on the phone to my friend Bibi Netanyahu and say: ‘Would it help if I say this? What would you like me to do?’ “

Classy! /

298 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:56:01am

re: #297 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Classy! /

Nothing to see here!

//

299 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:57:37am

re: #297 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Classy! /

Leadership ala Mitt.

300 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:58:20am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Leadership ala Mitt.

The Etch-A-Sketch candidate.

301 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:58:29am

re: #296 Mich-again

I wonder how much of the right wing support for Israel is religious in nature and how much of it is for secular reasons. My guess is oh about 100% for religious reasons. Israel would be just another dot on the map in a part of the world they couldn't care less about.

Probably mostly religious reasons. Weren't there some who basically said Rabin deserved to get killed for making the peace deal in 1995?

302 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:59:05am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Leadership ala Mitt.

"Bibi, I want to make a racist statement about Palestinians, but I'm not sure if I should do that. What do you think?"//

303 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:00:09am

re: #302 Capacious Casserole of Canine

"Bibi, I want to make a racist statement about Palestinians, but I'm not sure if I should do that. What do you think?"//

"I can't comment on Gingrich's statement other than I wouldn't have put it that way."

//

304 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:00:24am

That's not how I would have said it.

305 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:00:59am

But he's a likeable guy!

//

306 allegro  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:03:15am

re: #302 Capacious Casserole of Canine

"Bibi, I want to make a racist statement about Palestinians, but I'm not sure if I should do that. What do you think?"//

It's pretty standard.

307 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:05:59am

More I see and learn about Mitt the more I am convinced he has no leadership qualities whatsoever. He just says what he thinks people want to hear and then goes back on it if it becomes unpopular.

308 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:06:35am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

More I see and learn about Mitt the more I am convinced he has no leadership qualities whatsoever. He just says what he thinks people want to hear and then goes back on it if it becomes unpopular.

It's pretty standard.

309 HappyWarrior  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:06:54am

re: #308 Capacious Casserole of Canine

It's pretty standard.

'Tis

310 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:06:55am

re: #297 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Classy! /

Romneybot 6000 requires input in order to know which way the flip-flop circuit should go.

311 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:07:14am

re: #308 Capacious Casserole of Canine

It's pretty standard.

He did start a great day care corporation that made jobs.

312 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:07:56am

OT/ So I'm in Pattaya Thailand for a couple weeks for work. Prices are about the same as back home, except for one thing. It costs about $100 to get a load of laundry done. really. My co-workers who have stayed at other hotels say the same thing. There are massage parlors on every block, a million bars, street vendors of every sort and the prostitutes will accost you trying to drum up business but there are no laundrymats anywhere. I have concluded that Americans like me must be over concerned about not smelling bad in public. That is all.

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:08:26am

re: #311 Gus

He did start a great day care corporation that made jobs.

Outstanding!

314 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:09:16am

re: #312 Mich-again

OT/ So I'm in Pattaya Thailand for a couple weeks for work. Prices are about the same as back home, except for one thing. It costs about $100 to get a load of laundry done. really. My co-workers who have stayed at other hotels say the same thing. There are massage parlors on every block, a million bars, street vendors of every sort and the prostitutes will accost you trying to drum up business but there are no laundrymats anywhere. I have concluded that Americans like me must be over concerned about not smelling bad in public. That is all.

Or it's simply that there are easier ways to make a buck than doing laundry?

315 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:10:27am

If Mitt Romney was bald, he couldn't get elected to dogcatcher. He has nothing going for him at all other than the hair. period.

316 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:11:07am

re: #310 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Romneybot 6000 requires input in order to know which way the flip-flop circuit should go.

Dare to Dream

Youtube Video
317 kirkspencer  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:11:29am

re: #315 Mich-again

If Mitt Romney was bald, he couldn't get elected to dogcatcher. He has nothing going for him at all other than the hair. period.

Well, his hair and several hundred million dollars.

Well, his hair, several hundred million dollars, and he's not as crazy as the rest of the Republican candidates.

Well...

318 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:12:47am

re: #317 kirkspencer

Well, his hair and several hundred million dollars.

Well, his hair, several hundred million dollars, and he's not as crazy as the rest of the Republican candidates.

Well...

Don't forget to take the remote control too!
;)

319 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:12:54am

The United West calls itself a non-profit but I can't find anything on them at Guidestar.

320 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:13:40am

re: #317 kirkspencer

Well, his hair and several hundred million dollars.

Well, his hair, several hundred million dollars, and he's not as crazy as the rest of the Republican candidates.

Well...

Hey. He was governor for twice as long as Sarah Palin!

//

321 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:15:19am

Meanwhile:

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Evacuating the Ulpana neighborhood in the West Bank settlement of Beit El could lead to the dissolution of the coalition, Vice Prime Minister Moshe Ya'alon said Saturday at a meeting in Be’er Sheva.

"We have said that we must not remove the neighborhood," said Ya'alon, who is also Israel's strategic affairs minister. "This is a neighborhood of 15 buildings with six apartments in each building, of completely normative people, and all of a sudden they are being told off because a Palestinian claimed the land belongs to him."

[...]

The High Court ruled that the state must evacuate the neighborhood by May 1, but on Wednesday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu asked the State Prosecutor’s Office to examine whether a request can be lodged with the High Court to further delay the evacuation order.

Of course, Yaalon is the same guy who will be speaking to the awakening yahoos.

322 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:16:43am

No wait. They use a different name for filing their 990s. United American Committee.

323 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:17:19am

re: #322 Gus

No wait. They use a different name for filing their 990s. United American Committee.

Hang on. Nix that pending further search.

324 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:19:53am

O.T. Run for your lives! It is almost here!! (you might get wet and melt)

[Link: www.baynews9.com...]

325 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:20:11am

re: #295 Capacious Casserole of Canine

It's rather ridiculously hypocritical of Netanyahu's administration to, on the one hand, pass stringent laws banning outside funding of NGOs that attempt to influence Israeli domestic policy, and then send the vice premier to speak at a political gathering in the US that's immensely hostile to the president and, really, to the secular government of the United States.

326 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:22:50am

Here we go:

SECURITY RESEARCH ASSOCIATES INC

NTEE Category:
X Religion, Spiritual Development
X05 (Research Institutes and/or Public Policy Analysis)
Year Founded:
1981
Ruling Year:
1981

327 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:29:03am

Completely off topic: One of the worst songs I've ever heard.

Youtube Video

Courtesy of Michael J. Nelson, of MST3k fame.

328 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:29:50am

re: #326 Gus

The more I find out about the rampant abuse of 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status, the more I think we ought to just blow it up and start over. What started off as a way for the public to support well-intentioned organizations has become a cheap and easy way for ideologues to get the American taxpayers to subsidize their politics. It is used by both the right and the left so there will be no political movement to end it, but the complete abuse of this tax loophole leaves no other good alternatives to just ending it altogether and starting from scratch.

329 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:30:46am

re: #328 Mich-again

The more I find out about the rampant abuse of 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status, the more I think we ought to just blow it up and start over. What started off as a way for the public to support well-intentioned organizations has become a cheap and easy way for ideologues to get the American taxpayers to subsidize their politics. It is used by both the right and the left so there will be no political movement to end it, but the complete abuse of this tax loophole leaves no other good alternatives to just ending it altogether and starting from scratch.

Amazing isn't it? People think that non-profits are all about helping people or charities.

330 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:32:07am

[Link: www.corporationwiki.com...]

331 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:32:37am

re: #327 Obdicut

Completely off topic: One of the worst songs I've ever heard.

[Embedded content] Courtesy of Michael J. Nelson, of MST3k fame.

Heh.

Youtube Video
332 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:34:38am

Romney's campaign has re-confirmed that Kobach is an 'informal advisor'.

The Obama campaign is doing a ton of outreach and preparatory GOTV stuff with hispanics right now. Having Kobach advising Romney is a complete gift to him, and makes Rubio's plaintive cry for the GOP to be less shitty to immigrants seem very, very unlikely to come true.

333 Obdicut  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:35:05am

re: #331 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Well at least he's happy.

334 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:35:12am

Here's Tom Trento's connections:

[Link: www.corporationwiki.com...]

335 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:39:19am

re: #330 Gus

Image: Yaalon.jpg

336 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:40:45am

re: #335 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Image: Yaalon.jpg

I know. Saw that a while back. Bibi's got to go.

337 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:44:13am

re: #333 Obdicut

Well at least he's happy.

Then again, I guess it wasn't a surprise that he later raped at least two girls, at least one of whom was less than 16 y.o. ...

338 efuseakay  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 10:45:22am

Seems like the ISI has been implicated in another foiled attack...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

The suspects said they were ordered by Pakistani Taliban leaders and members of Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, to transfer the explosives from the Pakistani border city of Peshawar to Kabul for use in terror attacks, the statement said.

Of course, these kinds of "confessions" should be taken with a grain of salt.... but...

339 kirkspencer  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:00:51am

re: #326 Gus

Here we go:

SECURITY RESEARCH ASSOCIATES INC

NTEE Category:
X Religion, Spiritual Development
X05 (Research Institutes and/or Public Policy Analysis)
Year Founded:
1981
Ruling Year:
1981

OK, let's have some fun looking at their 1990 form 990.

In 2009 the company spent a total of 283,670. Of that amount, 149,750 was spent on Research and Communications. (Part IX)

Schedule L is the interested persons transactions report. In it we discover that Tom Trento owns the corporation to which all $149.750 of research and communications was paid.

Interestingly, Tom is the president of RSA (my abbreviation), and claims he puts in 40 hours per week for the non-profit for which he receives no compensation.

340 kirkspencer  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:05:19am

re: #334 Gus

Here's Tom Trento's connections:

[Link: www.corporationwiki.com...]

Gus, what you may have missed is that all those businesses to which he's connected operate out of one office. They're a mix of for-profit and non-profit. Some are considered domestic, some foreign (out of state). That last is part of the City Solutions group which has some based-from offices in Montecito, CA -- but they operate from the office in Lake Worth, FL.

341 Kragar  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:06:43am

Flashback botnet not shrinking, huge numbers of Macs still infected

Contrary to reports by several security companies, the Flashback botnet is not shrinking, the Russian antivirus firm that first reported the massive infection three weeks ago claimed today.

Dr. Web, which earlier this month was the first to report the largest-ever successful malware attack against Apple's OS X, said Friday that the pool of Flashback-infected Macs still hovers around the 650,000 mark, and that infections are continuing.

Also on Friday, Liam O Murchu, manager of operations at Symantec's security response center, confirmed that Dr. Web's numbers were correct.

Both Dr. Web's tally and its contention that infections are ongoing flew in the face of other antivirus companies' assertions. Kaspersky Lab and Symantec, which have each "sinkholed" select domains -- hijacked them before the hackers could use them to issue orders to compromised machines -- used those domains to count the Macs that try to communicate with the malware's command-and-control centers.

Earlier this week, Symantec said the Flashback botnet had shrunk by 60% and was down to 142,000 machines. Yesterday, Kaspersky claimed that its count registered only 30,000 infected Macs.

Not even close, said Dr. Web in a Friday blog post.

"The number is still around 650,000," said Dr. Web.

Now that its been proven you can successfully compromise Macs, expect a lot more hackers to make the attempt. Welcome to the party.

342 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:06:59am

re: #340 kirkspencer

Gus, what you may have missed is that all those businesses to which he's connected operate out of one office. They're a mix of for-profit and non-profit. Some are considered domestic, some foreign (out of state). That last is part of the City Solutions group which has some based-from offices in Montecito, CA -- but they operate from the office in Lake Worth, FL.

I was noticing that during my search. Tom Trento has been involved in numerous start-ups. Both for and non-profit. He seems like a bit of a scam artist of sorts. It involves a lot of friends and family.

343 kirkspencer  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:07:41am

re: #339 kirkspencer

Correction notice. The form 990 I mentioned is the 2009, not 1990, Form 990. (editing time expired.)

344 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:08:21am

re: #343 kirkspencer

Correction notice. The form 990 I mentioned is the 2009, not 1990, Form 990. (editing time expired.)

OK. Was wondering about that.

345 austin_blue  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:08:34am

Trento gets Love from The Usual Suspects:


[Link: www.redcounty.com...]

346 kirkspencer  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:09:24am

re: #342 Gus

I was noticing that during my search. Tom Trento has been involved in numerous start-ups. Both for and non-profit. He seems like a bit of a scam artist of sorts. It involves a lot of friends and family.

yep. Consistently the same friends and family.

The weirdest group to me is the one that's allegedly a non-profit but is in the armored car industry. That makes me think there's an entry error somewhere - mistake or intentional is left for others to determine.

347 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:10:00am

Anybody listening to them now? Can't get to load properly.

348 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:10:29am

re: #347 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Anybody listening to them now? Can't get to load properly.

Same here. Keep trying but the wheel keeps spinning.

349 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:13:10am

re: #339 kirkspencer

The abuse of the 501(c)(3) tax exempt status is so widespread and rampant that its hard to imagine how to even fix it. You would think that the IRS would move in for the kill, but then the IRS is run by bureaucrats who ultimately have to answer to politicians. And politicians from both sides have supporters that claim the exemption so there will be no big push to end the abuse. Eventually though, someone will overplay their hand and get called for the bluff.

350 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:13:17am

re: #341 Kragar

Flashback botnet not shrinking, huge numbers of Macs still infected

Now that its been proven you can successfully compromise Macs, expect a lot more hackers to make the attempt. Welcome to the party.

"Macs are so great because they never get viruses! Wait, why is my computer not acting right?!"

Heh.

351 AK-47%  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:15:38am

re: #115 Tommy's cone of shame

I'm sure Charles didn't have Andrew's latest head shot, but he is dead with little kids that miss him.

I only keep headshots of George Zimmermann.

/

352 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:18:06am

re: #350 Targetpractice

"Macs are so great because they never get viruses! Wait, why is my computer not acting right?!".

And why aren't there 2 buttons on this mouse?

353 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:23:54am

re: #348 Gus

Same here. Keep trying but the wheel keeps spinning.

It started to work on the livestream page.

354 kirkspencer  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:28:44am

re: #349 Mich-again

The abuse of the 501(c)(3) tax exempt status is so widespread and rampant that its hard to imagine how to even fix it. You would think that the IRS would move in for the kill, but then the IRS is run by bureaucrats who ultimately have to answer to politicians. And politicians from both sides have supporters that claim the exemption so there will be no big push to end the abuse. Eventually though, someone will overplay their hand and get called for the bluff.

Actually, I do know how to fix it. Restore the IRS agent strength and untie their investigative hands.

Let's take the specific example I found. There are several triggers that should have brought an audit of both the 501(c)(3) organization AND the company that was paid for the work. Two obvious triggers: more than 10% of expenditure went to an "interested party" and both the non-profit and the payee have the same working address.

The rules are actually pretty good (though complex). There are some I actually think need a bit of loosening, but not while the necessary ones unenforced.

355 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:29:39am

re: #341 Kragar

Oh horrors the world has ended where's my Windows disk!. //

A bug in java that can only run at user level? Wake me when a real threat is written. ;)

356 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:30:27am

"Allah is Lucifer! [...] What do you think about that?"

357 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:30:51am

re: #353 Capacious Casserole of Canine

It started to work on the livestream page.

Yep. Non-stop Islam bashing. Some guy in the audience called Islam the religion of Satan, etc. Someone chuckled near the camera. The answer is the same old same old.

358 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:32:17am

End-times.

359 Kragar  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:32:55am

re: #355 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh horrors the world has ended where's my Windows disk!. //

A bug in java that can only run at user level? Wake me when a real threat is written. ;)

You can learn all about it when you click the link.

Silly silly users.

360 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:37:36am

re: #341 Kragar

Flashback botnet not shrinking, huge numbers of Macs still infected

Now that its been proven you can successfully compromise Macs, expect a lot more hackers to make the attempt. Welcome to the party.

It has always been just as possible to compromise Apple's O.S. as it has been to compromise Microsoft's O.S.. That isn't the point, the only reason hackers have (mainly) stuck to attacking the Microsoft product is because Microsoft has always controlled about 95% or more of the desktop computing market.

Estimates for 2011 claim that Apple has finally claimed more than 5% of the total desktop market with one estimate going as high as 10.7% (although most IT researchers discount that estimate as wildly inaccurate).

Hackers have not bothered hacking Apple's O.S. simply because so few people used it and there was really no possible payday or glory for them in doing so.

Now that Apple's machines have increased their market share in desktops and even partially taken over specialized niches like video processing/editing expect to see many more hackers paying attention to Apple's O.S. as an easy target. Another reason for the sudden attention from hackers is the large share of mobile computing that Apple now owns due to the Iphone and Ipad markets.

Yes, Apple is finally joining the party, but not because of some new vulnerability in their software, it is just that they have grown enough to attract the interest and avarice of the hackers. Let us hope they are ready for the increased attention...

361 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:44:23am

re: #359 Kragar

You can learn all about it when you click the link.

Silly silly users.

I have. It relies on a bug in Java. I don't have Java. Hence I do not have Flashback. End of story.

Sorry.

362 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:44:59am

Stupid cow audience member: "Europe is pretty much Islamicized"

363 Kragar  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:45:03am

re: #360 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Apple's Flashback Trojan tool fixes nothing

For years, I've heard pundits of every kind claim that cybercriminals largely attack Windows over Macs because of the large number of users. One day, should Apple PC market share increase, they argued, Macs would become targets. That thinking is a load of horse poop.

The problem started first by design. Microsoft developed Windows before the popular, public Internet and designed early networking and other features for the corporate network. The simple concept: Make sharing as easy as possible. Years ago, I referred to Windows and supporting productivity apps like Office as Mr. Gates' Neighborhood, playing off the public television kids program Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood. It was a safe place, where people had no locks on their doors or windows and even connected their homes (think of that as Microsoft cross-integrating features). But then the big city -- the Internet -- grew up around the safe neighborhood. Suddenly, those lockless doors and windows and interconnected homes were a liability. Anywhere criminals could get in, they freely moved everywhere.

A decade ago, Microsoft cofounder Bill Gates made security the company's number one priority. Microsoft changed the way it develops software, took an aggressive and proactive approach to security fixes and put in locks, so to speak. But securing the Windows ecosystem was a slow process -- and still is. End users didn't change their behavior right away.
...

As the market slowly moves off XP, Windows botnets are threatened. How much depends on many factors, such as user behavior and development of new attack vectors. Cybercriminals need to look somewhere else, and OS X is easy pickings (same can be said of Android and iOS) since most users don't install anti-malware and a false sense of security leads many to take unnecessary risks.

The Flashback botnet is a huge concern. If not reduced or eliminated quickly, it will spread more Mac malware and lead other cybercriminals to increase their attacks against the OS X platform. If you look at the rise of cyber attacks against Windows there is more correlation to botnets' reach than number of Wintel PC users (that's hard data I'll put together some other time -- it is Saturday!).

This is the turning point, if Flashback is unchecked. Not because Mac market share has increased or OS X is any more vulnerable to exploitation than Windows 7. It's the successful creation of a viable Mac botnet and promise of others.

364 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:47:15am

Good lord.

365 Kragar  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:47:20am

re: #361 William Barnett-Lewis

I have. It relies on a bug in Java. I don't have Java. Hence I do not have Flashback. End of story.

Sorry.

Congrats to you. I'm sure that comes as major consolation to those affected.

366 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:49:07am

re: #354 kirkspencer

And now with all the IT data mining tools that the marketing industry has developed, along with the fact that just about everyone files electronically it shouldn't even take an agent to find stuff like that.

367 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:49:59am

re: #362 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Stupid cow audience member: "Europe is pretty much Islamicized"

Gaffney: "..you're pretty much correct..."

368 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:51:29am

"We're only Israel's friend in the world".

Screw Canada? Could be a new song!

369 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:55:00am

The ex-terrorist guy just turned the story about Sarkozy's and Obama's private talk about Netanyahu into a talk about Jews - "Tell me about it!".

370 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:58:09am

re: #362 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Stupid cow audience member: "Europe is pretty much Islamicized"

Stupid cow sounds about right in this case.

"I heard about it on the internet from James Dobson, so it must be true!"

sigh...freakin idiots. :(

371 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 11:58:34am

re: #367 Capacious Casserole of Canine

My family lives in a very diverse neighborhood in Metro Detroit and my children have very good friends who are Muslims. They are welcome in my home, my children are welcome in theirs. This is the best, maybe the only way to end radicalism. Accept each other as friends and neighbors.

The far right would say, OMG don't let your kids hand out with them! That is to say you shouldn't have any faith that what you taught your children was meaningful. Its defeatist to say the least.

372 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:01:05pm

re: #369 Capacious Casserole of Canine

The ex-terrorist guy just turned the story about Sarkozy's and Obama's private talk about Netanyahu into a talk about Jews - "Tell me about it!".

Meanwhile, down at the farm. Derp.

373 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:09:42pm

Rifqa Bary.

374 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:10:27pm

re: #373 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Rifqa Bary.

I already heard this. This isn't live.

375 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:12:33pm

re: #374 Gus

Figures. Usually after the live feed the recording begins.

376 Gus  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:13:03pm

re: #375 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Figures. Usually after the live feed the recording begins.

Dorks.

377 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:17:37pm

I do not endorse the following link:

[Link: thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com...]

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 12:19:54pm

re: #377 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Also: [Link: thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com...]

379 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 1:09:57pm

re: #101 Expand Your Ground

I have just outlived my father, who died of a hear attack just before his 53rd birthday.

He had some other complicating issues: a previous car accident had smashed his legs and left him with a lot of scar tissue. Also made it hard for him to get out and get excercise, and his diet was that of your typical American working-class male of the late 60's. bacon and eggs for breakfast, burgers for lunch, pot roast for dinner, etc...

My grandfather (raised on a farm in Kansas, born in the late twenties, you do the math!) was once being quizzed by a doctor about his breakfast habits. "How many eggs?" "Half a dozen," said my grandfather.

"OK, six eggs a week isn't that bad."

"No, every morning. With my bacon."

380 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 1:13:00pm

re: #159 Capacious Casserole of Canine

Will google later. So many of those ex-terrorists turn out to be fake.

It's a good living, being an ex-terrorist. Much more profitable than being a terrorist.

381 Integral Doc  Sat, Apr 21, 2012 9:54:42pm

"Oh, Bless His Heart"


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