2012 RNC ‘Presidential Platform’ Questionnaire Wants to Know How Much You Hate Obama

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A few days ago an interesting document showed up in my mailbox. It was the Official 2012 Republican Presidential Platform survey package.

The package opens with a four page letter from RNC Chairman Reince Priebus who made the following comments while a candidate for the position he now holds:

In the December 1, 2010 RNC candidate forum, Priebus provided a few details about his politics. He stated he believes the RNC is “part of” the Tea Party movement; he believes it is the Republican Party’s mission to “save our country, to save our party and to take back the White House”; believes someone who is “pro-abortion, pro-stimulus, pro-AIG … might not be a Republican” and believes that being pro-life is “paramount” to the Republican Party platform.

The first page of the letter reads in part:

Dear Fellow American,

What issues do you want our Republican presidential campaign to focus on in 2012 as we fight to make Barack Obama a ONE-TERM President?

After compiling and modeling demographic information of thousands of activists in our database, you were selected to represent voters in your area in the OFFICIAL 2012 Presidential Platform Survey.

The feedback you provide on this survey will directly impact the 2012 Republican campaign to elect a President so we can STOP the creeping socialism, massive accumulation of federal debt and economic stagnation that Obama’s policies have wrought on our nation.

If you are interested in the whole thing, here are scans of all the pages:

Page one

Page two

Page three

Page four

Note how at the end of the letter, you are asked to return your completed survey along WITH a donation to the RNC. There is no option to simply return the survey, you HAVE to send money back with it…at least, if you intend to use the form properly.

From there we jump, into the survey itself which is less a survey and more a regurgitation of right wing talking points. For example one of the early questions references Obama’s “radical policies”

Further down, a rather not too subtle question referring to “organizations whose primary function is conducting abortions”. Considering how open the rest of this letter/survey is about its aims its surprising they chose to word it this way instead of just outright asking: “Would you support an effort to defund Planned Parenthood?”

Also notice again, another question about Obama’s left wing radicalism.

Moving along, the last page of the survey poses an interesting group of questions under the title of “values questions”:

Again, it’s not the questions that are surprising as much as it is the wording. Instead of “do you support President Obama’s decision to not defend DOMA” it becomes an “unprecedented decision to ignore federal law”. Notice how they also add “and order HIS justice department”. Not THE Justice Department but HIS Justice Department.

As in, Obama is a madman determined to seize total control of every aspect of the U.S. government if he hasn’t done it already.

Of course on this page we also see the obligatory health care question. You’d have almost expected them to stick the phrase “death panels” in there somewhere but no such luck.

Despite the introduction letter stating the recipients of the survey are “carefully selected” the reality points to a relatively random selection. If you Google “Presidential platform survey” one of the first hits is from a guy who received this survey…who also happens to be a registered Democrat.

Interestingly, most of the other top results are from survey recipients who are ardent supporters of yes, you guessed it: Ron Paul.

This survey came in the mail only a few days after Santorum “suspended” his campaign. Obviously it was put together before he dropped out and although Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul are still technically in the race, Mitt Romney is the nominee, no doubt about it.

It’s unclear how many voters actually received this survey, but it does provide an eye opening glimpse into the tactics of the RNC.

In principal I think surveys like this are a great idea, but I think they should be more neutral in nature and the questions not slanted in any particular direction.

I studied statistics in college and one of the most important things about a written survey is how you word your questions. If you are truly aiming to be neutral and non-biased, you have to carefully craft your wording to ensure you don’t lead recipients towards a particular answer.

In the case of this RNC survey, it appears the authors were intent on guiding recipients to certain responses to reinforce particular beliefs and viewpoints, regardless of the facts (or lack thereof) supporting them.

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127 comments
1 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 2:28:36pm

Trying to tweet, not working. Because I'm on iPad?

What ev, excellent page.

2 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 2:30:07pm

K, tweeted.

3 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 2:49:52pm

These bogus push surveys have been part of their strategic mailings for years now, and they number among the reasons I left the party. I still get regular solicitations and chuckle as I shred them.

4 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:13:45pm

OMG yes, I am totally concerned about radical liberalism, socialism and Obama's unprecedented raping of the economic liberty of America's unborn through Satanic healthcare mandates! Here's my checking account routing information - take as much money as you need GOP, I'll be outside screaming and firing my Desert Eagle in random directions.

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:13:58pm

Promoted!

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:14:12pm

What's the point here? Is it a way of further pushing the agenda, or are they testing how well people respond, and what they'd like to see in future, or what?

And as always: jealous. I'm in a dark blue chunk of a larger blue chunk. No one ever sends me anything. My vote is assumed.

7 ThomasLite  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:25:45pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

And as always: jealous. I'm in a dark blue chunk of a larger blue chunk. No one ever sends me anything. My vote is assumed.

would you prefer they spend time and/or money on you they could have spent convincing a swing voter?

8 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:26:49pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

What's the point here? Is it a way of further pushing the agenda, or are they testing how well people respond, and what they'd like to see in future, or what?

And as always: jealous. I'm in a dark blue chunk of a larger blue chunk. No one ever sends me anything. My vote is assumed.

Yes.

Poke the agenda and test the response to see what gets stronger response. At the same time push for some money to prevent that [redacted] in the White House from being re-elected.

And they're also identifying the passionate. If your eyes didn't glaze over, if you responded (even if only the survey despite the directions), you are tagged. You will be asked to help; money, manning phones, walking for turnout, the works.

9 Digital Display  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:27:51pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

What's the point here? Is it a way of further pushing the agenda, or are they testing how well people respond, and what they'd like to see in future, or what?

And as always: jealous. I'm in a dark blue chunk of a larger blue chunk. No one ever sends me anything. My vote is assumed.

Nobody is going to court you until you become a soccer mom.. Didn't you get the memo?
/

10 erik_t  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:34:34pm
In the case of this RNC survey, it appears the authors were intent on guiding recipients to certain responses to reinforce particular beliefs and viewpoints, regardless of the facts (or lack thereof) supporting them.

I'm not confident that they have the ability to do something like this any other way.

11 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:35:34pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

What's the point here? Is it a way of further pushing the agenda, or are they testing how well people respond, and what they'd like to see in future, or what?

And as always: jealous. I'm in a dark blue chunk of a larger blue chunk. No one ever sends me anything. My vote is assumed.

Have you ever sent any political org or politician money? That's how the fuckers get your scent. I spent $15 dollars on a membership to the Second Amendment Foundation last year so I could get a larger discount on an FFL transfer fee, and now they and the NRA send me crazy ass surveys several times a month.

12 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:47:01pm

Here's the poll questions I'd like to ask:

1.) Do you support in any way the far-right's ridiculous assertion that the Earth is 6,000 years old?

2.) Are you prepared to condemn and not associate with any lunatic that to this day STILL claims that President Obama is a Muslim and was not born in this country?

3.) Do you believe that President Obama actually loves his country and - in his view - is trying to help it, or do you support that fat ass, pill-popping Rush Limbaugh's constant, exasperating claim that the President is deliberately trying to destroy the country?

That is all, and thank you for participating in my survey. Please send it back at your convenience, and there is no need to make a donation of any kind; I did this for our nation's sanity. You are a true patriot.

13 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:53:33pm

So, how much farther down the rabbit hole do the "moderates" in the party have to go before they finally decide that the GOP is no longer listening to them? Seriously, how bugfuck insane does your party have to get before you stop and say to yourself "I don't care how much of a 'moderate' Romney may seem, the party is not worth supporting and I'm not going to vote for it"?

14 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:53:40pm

I hate push polls. They're inherently dishonest. But there's no way to avoid them entirely, since both parties use them. MBFOS

15 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:54:11pm

MBFOS = Magical Balance Fairy Over Shoulder

16 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:55:51pm

Are you a proud member of the 1%?

Do you think Ted Nugent was right?

Would you like to make sure your daughter does not have Planned Parenthood to depend on?

You think that birth certificate was fake?

Do you feel Mitt Romney is the kind of conservative/moderate/liberal we need now?

Do you want to make sure your children do not hear about Darwin until college?

If you answered yes to most of the above... Have You Lost Your Fracking Mind?!?

17 Kragar  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:03:06pm

This seems par for the course. Here is what I posted back in February.

The RNC 2012 Obama Agenda Survey; in which I transcribe the enclosed letter stressing its importance

So, I return home from a day’s work and check the mail to find an official looking yellow envelope labelled “2012 Obama Agenda Survey | Republican National Committee” and “Questionnaire enclosed | Do Not Destroy”. With boundless enthusiasm, I tossed it on the kitchen table and ignored it till this morning.

Upon opening the important documentation, I discovered a 1 page survey, a return envelope, and a 2 page letter from the RNC, which I will now share with you.

18 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:03:09pm

re: #16 Daniel Ballard

Do you think Ted Nugent was right? No. The "Nuge" has even commented in his book, "God, Guns and Rock 'n Roll" that he is a braggart. The fact that he is going to "pay" for the illegal killing of a bear does not make up for the remark about the President.

19 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:05:48pm

re: #16 Daniel Ballard

Are you a proud member of the 1%?

Do you think Ted Nugent was right?

Would you like to make sure your daughter does not have Planned Parenthood to depend on?

You think that birth certificate was fake?

Do you feel Mitt Romney is the kind of conservative/moderate/liberal we need now?

Do you want to make sure your children do not hear about Darwin until college?

If you answered yes to most of the above... Have You Lost Your Fracking Mind?!?

A daughter of the top 1% likely does not need Planned Parenthood. Even before Roe v. Wade, the very rich had access to private doctors who could safely* perform abortions. I know I'm being overly detail oriented, but its what I do.

*: Safely for values of the time, as the risks of any surgery were greater then than now.

20 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:07:04pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Aha, yet an answer "no" to the 1% question still leaves plenty of those fundie conservatives. So maybe it still works. For a rush job. :-)

21 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:08:39pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

I hate push polls. They're inherently dishonest. But there's no way to avoid them entirely, since both parties use them. MBFOS

I think in these cases (DNC/RNC) polls it's not so much about finding out what members of their party thinks. They are letting their voters know what the platform and campaign is going to be about. I never really thought about it before but it's not information collecting, it's information giving at work.

22 Kragar  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:10:31pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I think in these cases (DNC/RNC) polls it's not so much about finding out what members of their party thinks. They are letting their voters know what the platform and campaign is going to be about. I never really thought about it before but it's not information collecting, it's information giving at work.

Framing the argument means controlling what questions get asked and which get tossed out.

23 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:13:49pm

re: #16 Daniel Ballard

1.) Do you think Fox News needs to slant even further to the right to the point where the phrase "off the cliff" wouldn't even suffice?

2.) Pay attention here, I really need to know this one: Do you really, really, really, really believe, and I am SERIOUS HERE, really, really believe that the unemployment rate skyrocketed because of President Obama's election?

3.) There's no way in hell, right, that you believe that the GM bailout as well as TARP started under President Obama? I mean, you do know that President Bush signed those bills into law, RIGHT??!!

4.) Do you believe that a 600-year-old man long ago built a huge boat and put every single species on the planet into it, then survived a massive flood for forty days and nights?

Once again, thank you for participating in my survey. Your dedication to our great nation is admirable providing you answered my questions correctly.

24 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:14:48pm

re: #22 Kragar

Framing the argument means controlling what questions get asked and which get tossed out.

I've always hated the "framing" concept. It used to be really big on DKos. They still use framing but not nearly as much as they used to. Most of the time it just leads to dishonest discourse based on talking points. I really don't think it actually every changes anyone's minds but it does give even the dopiest partisan some talking points so they don't feel stupid.

25 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:15:38pm

re: #9 HoosierHoops

Nobody is going to court you until you become a soccer mom.. Didn't you get the memo?
/

A Stay At Home hard working soccer mom/kid taxi.

26 Lidane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:17:07pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Framing isn't just a concept from DKos. Frank Luntz has built his entire career on teaching people how to frame an argument or phrase things to get an emotional reaction. Lee Atwater used context and framing to great effect when he ran campaigns.

27 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:17:58pm

Romney and Obama need these swing groups to win

This is expected to be a close U.S. presidential election and there’s a general consensus in both camps about who, to paraphrase former President George W. Bush, the “deciders” will be.

The swing groups are constituencies that went for Barack Obama in 2008 and voted Republican in the 2010 congressional elections, or voting blocs in which the premium is passion not preference.

28 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:21:12pm

re: #26 Lidane

Framing isn't just a concept from DKos. Frank Luntz has built his entire career on teaching people how to frame an argument or phrase things to get an emotional reaction. Lee Atwater used context and framing to great effect when he ran campaigns.

I know. It was particularly popular because some lefty author wrote a book about reframing at the time. I forget who it was. It's still not a very decent technique no matter who uses it.

29 Kragar  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:21:37pm

re: #26 Lidane

Framing isn't just a concept from DKos. Frank Luntz has built his entire career on teaching people how to frame an argument or phrase things to get an emotional reaction. Lee Atwater used context and framing to great effect when he ran campaigns.

I think there is necessarily wrong with framing an argument as a rhetorical tool, but attempting to use it as a legitimate argument is just wrong.

30 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:25:34pm

re: #29 Kragar
I can imagine some scenarios where it might be helpful but usually it's just a way to introduce a talking point that vexes the average opponent. We all know how to respond to "if we evolved from apes then why are there still monkeys?" but most normal people have never really heard of that before and would just rather give up the debate and walk away.

31 Kragar  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:27:35pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I can imagine some scenarios where it might be helpful but usually it's just a way to introduce a talking point that vexes the average opponent. We all know how to respond to "if we evolved from apes then why are there still monkeys?" but most normal people have never really heard of that before and would just rather give up the debate and walk away.

Just handle it the old fashioned way.

32 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:29:51pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I know. It was particularly popular because some lefty author wrote a book about reframing at the time. I forget who it was. It's still not a very decent technique no matter who uses it.

His name is George Lakoff. His book was called Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate.

33 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:30:05pm

I think this is what set off the reframing craze: Don't Think of an Elephant!: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate--The Essential Guide for Progressives

Don't Think of an Elephant! is the definitive handbook for understanding what happened in the 2004 election and communicating effectively about key issues facing America today. Author George Lakoff has become a key advisor to the Democratic party, helping them develop their message and frame the political debate.

In this book Lakoff explains how conservatives think, and how to counter their arguments. He outlines in detail the traditional American values that progressives hold, but are often unable to articulate. Lakoff also breaks down the ways in which conservatives have framed the issues, and provides examples of how progressives can reframe the debate.

34 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:30:06pm

Yay my first promotion!

Thank you Charles.

Thanks to Gus as well, your awesome pages have encouraged me to step up my own game.

35 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:30:46pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

His name is George Lakoff. His book was called Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate.

I had to google around a bit to find it. Not very popular anymore.

36 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:31:02pm

This is a debate I'd like to continue, but I must get going.

BBL

37 Lidane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:31:15pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

What's the point here? Is it a way of further pushing the agenda, or are they testing how well people respond, and what they'd like to see in future, or what?

The GOP are stuck with a shitty, unprincipled, unlikable candidate that the base hates. They've made it clear that they're not voting FOR Romney, but AGAINST Obama. It's the same scenario the Dems faced in 2004.

That means that we're going to see even more pandering to the RWNJs than usual, and more emotional arguments meant to get the base riled up and voting, since they openly despise the man at the top of the ticket.

38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:34:13pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

I had to google around a bit to find it. Not very popular anymore.

Lakoff was the first to use this idea, but FNC gave Frank Lutz a much bigger platform than any Lakoff had. While Lakoff did show up on MSNBC a number of times he was never a regular, and in any case MSNBC has a much small audience than Fox News.

BBL for real this time.

39 Lidane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:35:08pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Yes, because a book that came out in 2004 had an influence on Lee Atwater, who died in 1991, or on Frank Luntz, who wrote the GOP memo about how to frame the Contract With America in 1996.

Are you just looking for anything to cling to so you can blame a liberal for something you don't like? A simple Google search could have pointed out that framing the debate started long before 2004.

40 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:38:05pm

re: #39 Lidane

see #28

41 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:38:21pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Lakoff was not the first to use this idea, no. The idea is at least as old as 1950s advertising, and probably predates that.

42 Lidane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:39:26pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

So basically, you're being intellectually lazy by pointing to a liberal book that came out in 2004 instead of bothering to notice that reframing has existed for decades?

Good to know.

43 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:39:36pm

Framing or not, I wonder if Priebus is merely following the flow:

French far-right soars in presidential vote

The anti-immigrant far right emerged as a potentially major force in French politics with a record showing by its candidate Marine Le Pen in the first round of presidential elections.

Le Pen, who rails against European unity and what she says is the Islamization of France, took third place with more than 18 percent of the vote [...]

I know that Paleo-Pat was crowing about this election a few days before-hand.

Will the day come (has it come?) when the GOP won't be distinguishable from a far-right European nationalist party?

44 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:39:42pm

I studied survey design for the social sciences and stats coming on 30 years ago now, but of the things I remember, this survey hits every aspect of poor design on the list.

45 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:40:51pm

re: #44 Innumerate Numerologist

I studied survey design for the social sciences and stats coming on 30 years ago now, but of the things I remember, this survey hits every aspect of poor design on the list.

Except... it's not a real survey.

Rather, it is a propaganda piece.

46 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:41:24pm

Hmmm...let's see...

"Lean Finely Textured Ground Beef"

vs.

"Pink Slime"

You'd have to be willfully stupid or actually stupid to claim reframing doesn't work.

47 erik_t  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:44:56pm

FX, News Corp's entertainment channel, has the following Earth Day broadcast schedule:

Doomsday
The Day the Earth Stood Still
Armageddon
The Day After Tomorrow
2012
2012 again

At least they're consistent.

48 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:47:56pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

A daughter of the top 1% likely does not need Planned Parenthood. Even before Roe v. Wade, the very rich had access to private doctors who could safely* perform abortions. I know I'm being overly detail oriented, but its what I do.

*: Safely for values of the time, as the risks of any surgery were greater then than now.

You are absolutely correct. Money made crossing state lines back in the day easy peasy. We now fight for all women.

49 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:48:19pm

re: #17 Kragar

4) Do you support passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?

If I thought you had the slightest interest in balancing the budget, yes. But I know this is just a talking point that you will ignore if you ever get the power to install it.

I'm afraid the GOPs record stinks when it comes to balancing budgets.

50 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:48:25pm

re: #47 erik_t

I'm surprised Fox News didn't have a specialWiccans for Obama or something.

51 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:49:33pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I think this is what set off the reframing craze: Don't Think of an Elephant!: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate--The Essential Guide for Progressives

It was a response to the framing seen from the Right.

We all frame things when we communicate because everything has ties to our centres of emotions. What he was suggesting, and still suggests is framing things consciously. The Right does it quite successfully while the Left is most concerned with objective analysis.

I don't really agree with him, I think there is a need for both.

52 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:50:05pm
53 Lidane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:50:55pm

re: #50 freetoken

I'm surprised Fox News didn't have a specialWiccans for Obama or something.

They're saving that for Halloween.

54 Kragar  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:51:55pm

Is it wrong that I'm enjoying the fact Netflix now has every episode of Magnum P.I.?

55 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:52:27pm

re: #53 Lidane

They're saving that for Halloween.

October Surprise, right?

///

56 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:53:51pm

re: #45 freetoken

Except... it's not a real survey.

Rather, it is a propaganda piece.

One that says to the Tea Party base "We know you don't like the candidate, but we also know you don't like Obama and so we're gonna tell you what you want to hear so that you'll overlook the candidate when it comes Election Day," while openly demanding "donations."

57 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:55:08pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Lakoff was the first to use this idea, but FNC gave Frank Lutz a much bigger platform than any Lakoff had. While Lakoff did show up on MSNBC a number of times he was never a regular, and in any case MSNBC has a much small audience than Fox News.

BBL for real this time.

Luntz sent a memo to the Republicans in 2003 about how to frame AGW, Lakoff published "Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate" in 2004.

In psych class we were talking about subliminal messaging and framing back in the late '70s.

58 Lidane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 4:57:55pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Lakoff was the first to use this idea

Not even close. At all.

59 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:00:56pm

I got one of these mailings as well about two weeks ago, and was going to do a posting deconstructing the mailing, but I'm glad you did it first. It's amazing that the national GOP thinks that they've got such widespread support that they can push poll this kind of extremist view in someplace like New Jersey.

I don't think this was ever about getting a pulse of the GOP, it's about validating its own extreme positions.

But the part I get a kick out of is that they wrote this with the warning that you needed to return this immediately. Or else what precisely? I'd lose my GOP decoder ring? Wont get push polled again?

And no, I'm not gonna donate to support this extremist agenda pushed and promoted by the GOP either.

60 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:07:43pm
61 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:10:59pm
62 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:11:52pm

I always figured they put these together with F'in Frank Luntz type consultants, with the secondary goal of coaching / directing their rookies. Rookies need affirmation if they are going to sound confident as they speechify, they need to feel that some kind of consensus is behind them. So they have these grim pre decided push polls fly out. Then when they give the results to the rookies to shore up the direction they were going to go anyway, they explain that these are what the people "who really matter because they give us money" think...

63 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:12:14pm

re: #54 Kragar

Is it wrong that I'm enjoying the fact Netflix now has every episode of Magnum P.I.?

It's the moustache, right?

64 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:14:21pm

If you think this is an actual poll, instead of a bald attempt to get money from you, you are too naive to vote.

65 erik_t  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:14:53pm

re: #64 Mostly sane, most of the time.

If you think this is an actual poll, instead of a bald attempt to get money from you, you are too naive to vote.

You misspelled 'core constituency'.

66 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:17:00pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

A daughter of the top 1% likely does not need Planned Parenthood. Even before Roe v. Wade, the very rich had access to private doctors who could safely* perform abortions. I know I'm being overly detail oriented, but its what I do.

*: Safely for values of the time, as the risks of any surgery were greater then than now.

A "daughter of the 1%" may not want her rich parents to know she got pregnant without the permission of Jesus. Therefore the answer is YES: she, just like all other women, might at some point actually need the privacy and services of Planned Parenthood.

67 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:17:51pm

re: #65 erik_t

You misspelled 'core constituency'.

Actually I'm sitting here reading about how much some parents are spending on prom, and the idea of "idiots" is taking shape.

I need to invent a doo-dad, then somehow convince all teens that my doo-dad (which will cost $45) is somehow necessary to really enjoy their prom.

The average cost, per couple, is $1,078. My doo-dad won't raise the price all that much.

68 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:20:34pm

re: #67 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Actually I'm sitting here reading about how much some parents are spending on prom, and the idea of "idiots" is taking shape.

I need to invent a doo-dad, then somehow convince all teens that my doo-dad (which will cost $45) is somehow necessary to really enjoy their prom.

The average cost, per couple, is $1,078. My doo-dad won't raise the price all that much.

How about a one step easy-on condom, or a portable condom applicator?

69 Kragar  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:24:15pm

re: #67 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Actually I'm sitting here reading about how much some parents are spending on prom, and the idea of "idiots" is taking shape.

I need to invent a doo-dad, then somehow convince all teens that my doo-dad (which will cost $45) is somehow necessary to really enjoy their prom.

The average cost, per couple, is $1,078. My doo-dad won't raise the price all that much.

I skipped my prom. Anthrax and Iron Maiden concert.

70 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:25:09pm

Wind turbine blimp aims to replace diesel generators

Look, up in the sky! It's a bird… it's a plane… it's a… wind turbine? Altaeros Energies, a Massachusetts-based company formed by MIT and Harvard grads, has aimed high — literally — in its quest to deliver power to remote, off-the-grid locations, creating a blimp that harnesses the power of the wind at 1,000 feet up.

71 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:25:10pm

re: #68 Innumerate Numerologist

How about a one step easy-on condom, or a portable condom applicator?

I've got it!

How about spray-on condoms, sort of like that spray-on rubber coating like for around the house and for bedliners?

72 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:28:43pm

re: #71 ArthurSlugworth

I've got it!

How about spray-on condoms, sort of like that spray-on rubber coating like for around the house and for bedliners?

Sort of a heavy-duty multi-use condom.

73 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:28:45pm

I was thinking more like some kind of expensive computer software to upload and create a prom scrapbook, which you can post online to show everyone how much awesomer your child looked at prom, which can be the only possible reason for spending $1,000 on one date. Parental pride.

74 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:29:54pm

re: #73 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I was thinking more like some kind of expensive computer software to upload and create a prom scrapbook, which you can post online to show everyone how much awesomer your child looked at prom, which can be the only possible reason for spending $1,000 on one date. Parental pride.

Not a disposable penis-cam?

75 Kragar  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:30:17pm

Aim for the parents, sell wifi equipped underwear that sends an email and text alert if tampered with.

76 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:30:43pm

Speaking of paganism, and sex:


Bulgarian Archaeologists Find Ancient Vase Depicting 'Group Sex'

Bulgarian archaeologists have unearthed an Ancient Greek vase featuring an erotic scene during excavations in the Black Sea town of Sozopol.

[...]

It was discovered in the oldest archaeological layers in Sozopol dating back from the end of the 7th century to the middle of the 6th century BC, announced Prof. Bozhidar Dimitrov, Director of Bulgaria's National History Museum, who described the erotic scene on the vase as depicting "group sex". as cited by Focus.

"This vase, which was unfortunately found in several fragments, presents a very strong erotic scene. Several naked young people, boys and girls, are shown having sex in an unorthodox way. This is the first time such an ancient erotic scene is found in Bulgaria," Dimitrov said, as cited by Focus.

"Such scenes are relatively rare. We have found thousands of ancient vases in Bulgaria but this is the first one of this type. I have seen similar vases in Greece. The Ancient Greeks considered sex a free gift from the gods, it was the Christian church that first proclaimed what is wrong and what is allowed in sex," he stated.

"It was the church that imposed total bans, with the exception of one pose called missionary for a reason; anything else was banned, and considered perverted. For better or worse, the Ancient Greeks did not see it that way," Dimitrov added. [...]

77 elizajane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:32:12pm

re: #66 palomino

A "daughter of the 1%" may not want her rich parents to know she got pregnant without the permission of Jesus. Therefore the answer is YES: she, just like all other women, might at some point actually need the privacy and services of Planned Parenthood.

Yes, but those parents are exactly the ones who don't want their child to have access to Planned Parenthood and are therefore giving their money to the RNC so that PP will be extinguished.

It all seems so unfair. I am a soccer mom! My partner is also a soccer mom! We spend every weekend at a bloody soccer tournament somewhere or other, and yet the RNC never, ever writes to us. Why could that be???

78 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:32:19pm

re: #74 Innumerate Numerologist

Not a disposable penis-cam?

No.

My aunt--a high school principal--told me about the year that some a parent found his son's prom budget, written out. It was fine up until the line items for coke and marijuana.

This is an island community. That year, the parents escorted the kids on and off the ferry. No freewheeling.

79 sean6886politik  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:34:49pm

Who is this radical Liberal they call Obama. I'd like to meet him. He's surely not in the WH.

80 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:35:42pm

re: #78 Mostly sane, most of the time.

No.

My aunt--a high school principal--told me about the year that some a parent found his son's prom budget, written out. It was fine up until the line items for coke and marijuana.

This is an island community. That year, the parents escorted the kids on and off the ferry. No freewheeling.

I thought you wanted to generate a large money maker.

81 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:36:23pm

While we're discussing love letters for the President, has anyone bumped into American Vision News website? Just ran into it today. It's a reconstructionist Christian religious site, and open calls for assassination and armed rebellion jumped out. Those I saw, mostly via google cache, were in the comments. The general tone is a lot less restrained than Freep. Site leadership have strong birther positions and history with YAF. SPLC carries the sponsoring church as a hate group.

82 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:37:03pm

re: #80 Innumerate Numerologist

I thought you wanted to generate a large money maker.

Without being responsible for the collapse of western civilization.

83 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:37:44pm

re: #82 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Without being responsible for the collapse of western civilization.

Details, details.

84 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:38:21pm

re: #82 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Without being responsible for the collapse of western civilization.

I might point out that Rovio might just have that distinction.

Everything was going fine until the birds came.

85 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:38:36pm

re: #75 Kragar

Aim for the parents, sell wifi equipped underwear that sends an email and text alert if tampered with.

Hell, if you're goin' there, might as well bring back the chastity belt. The evangelicals will love ya for it.

86 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:40:35pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

Hell, if you're goin' there, might as well bring back the chastity belt. The evangelicals will love ya for it.

With lots of sparklies on it and maybe a few, um, extensions, add-ons and the like it could be a big hit with the kids.

87 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:40:52pm

re: #12 Everything in Its Right Place

Here's the poll questions I'd like to ask:

1.) Do you support in any way the far-right's ridiculous assertion that the Earth is 6,000 years old?

2.) Are you prepared to condemn and not associate with any lunatic that to this day STILL claims that President Obama is a Muslim and was not born in this country?

3.) Do you believe that President Obama actually loves his country and - in his view - is trying to help it, or do you support that fat ass, pill-popping Rush Limbaugh's constant, exasperating claim that the President is deliberately trying to destroy the country?

That is all, and thank you for participating in my survey. Please send it back at your convenience, and there is no need to make a donation of any kind; I did this for our nation's sanity. You are a true patriot.

You put your finger right on it here. The GOP is the farthest right major ruling party in the developed world. The rest of the 1st world is dominated by parties that are centrist or center-left in comparison to our GOP. Why moderate Americans think that a party controlled by theocrats (the Christian right) and know-nothing populists (the TP) would come back to reality soon is beyond me.

Indeed, the rest of the developed world (Canada, Japan, Australia, S Korea, most of Europe, Israel, etc.) is pretty much befuddled at our lack of programs like comprehensive health care. Why? Because they've all had it for years, decades in most cases, and perceive it as a basic human right. Their perspective: If we can do it, why can't the world's richest nation?

And, among developed countries, Americans are the least likely to believe in evolution, AGW, environmental problems, science in general. The US may be no. 1 in guns and butter. Unfortunately we're far from no. 1 in many quality of life indicators...life expectancy, education, infant mortality, access to medical care, poverty rates, morbid obesity, non-violent crime incarceration, drug use, etc, etc.

88 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:41:06pm

For the record: We spent $50-60 on fabric (I sew), $30 on shoes, $15 on hair clips and jewelry (I also do beading for a hobby), and $10 on a boutonniere.

LDS boys usually already own a suit, so he paid for dinner and a corsage.

A lot less than $1,000.

89 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:44:11pm

re: #77 elizajane

Yes, but those parents are exactly the ones who don't want their child to have access to Planned Parenthood and are therefore giving their money to the RNC so that PP will be extinguished.

It all seems so unfair. I am a soccer mom! My partner is also a soccer mom! We spend every weekend at a bloody soccer tournament somewhere or other, and yet the RNC never, ever writes to us. Why could that be???

"Adam and Eve, not Madam and Eve." So the theocrats have ordered the GOP.

YOU are the future of America, they are the past desperately clinging on, to their homophobia and dream of a purely heterosexual theocracy.

90 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:44:24pm

I realize that we here tend to be all occupied with weighty matters of state and philosophy and politics and religion... but the majority of Americans care about more important things, like...

KIM KARDASHIAN AND KANYE WEST STEP OUT AS A COUPLE IN NYC

and of course the shocker, from Perez himself:

Kim K Spends The Night At Kanye's NYC Pad!

91 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:45:17pm

re: #90 freetoken

I realize that we here tend to be all occupied with weighty matters of state and philosophy and politics and religion... but the majority of Americans care about more important things, like...

KIM KARDASHIAN AND KANYE WEST STEP OUT AS A COUPLE IN NYC

and of course the shocker, from Perez himself:

Kim K Spends The Night At Kanye's NYC Pad!

I'm clutching my pearls. Actually, I could care less.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:46:09pm

re: #7 ThomasLite

would you prefer they spend time and/or money on you they could have spent convincing a swing voter?

Would it kill them to send me a crazy mailer once in WHILE? I could vote Republican at any moment.

93 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:46:52pm

re: #91 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I'm clutching my pearls. Actually, I could care less.

Well, then, you must be a Pippa girl:

Pippa Middleton’s ‘gun situation’: from royal in-law to outlaw?

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:47:01pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

Would it kill them to send me a crazy mailer once in WHILE? I could vote Republican at any moment.

Would you vote for Mia Love? If you lived in Utah, that is.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:47:21pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Have you ever sent any political org or politician money? That's how the fuckers get your scent. I spent $15 dollars on a membership to the Second Amendment Foundation last year so I could get a larger discount on an FFL transfer fee, and now they and the NRA send me crazy ass surveys several times a month.

Yes, I send money when I can. It gets you on some lists, but not the kind of intense blanketing that being in a swing voting area does.

I never see any good political ads, either.

*SULK*

96 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:48:24pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

Would it kill them to send me a crazy mailer once in WHILE? I could vote Republican at any moment.

Sure, but if they sent you a mailer like the one above, what are the chances you'd vote Republican "at any moment" in the near, or not so near, future?

97 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:49:25pm

re: #91 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I'm clutching my pearls. Actually, I could care less.

Really? Because I couldn't care less.

98 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:50:41pm

re: #90 freetoken

Who cares?! Tim Tebow has found him a place in Hoboken. Tim Tebow! In Hoboken. PTL and pass the ammo! /

99 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:52:14pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh... I'll trade...

100 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:53:31pm

re: #91 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I'm clutching my pearls. Actually, I could care less.

Good point.

One obsessively pedantic correction: "I couldn't care less".

The way you said it means you do care, at least a little.

101 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:54:41pm

re: #100 Innumerate Numerologist

Good point.

One obsessively pedantic correction: "I couldn't care less".

The way you said it means you do care, at least a little.

Hmmm.

I could care less, because I do care that teenagers might accidentally mistake one of these two twits for a role model.

102 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:54:41pm

Do you believe life begins at conception?

Uh, no. I think that life began billions of years ago and never stopped. You can't rub two rocks together and get a baby.

103 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:56:45pm

re: #97 palomino

Really? Because I couldn't care less.

You beat me. Look at all the bruises.

104 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:56:59pm

re: #102 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

Uh, no. I think that life began billions of years ago and never stopped. You can't rub two rocks together and get a baby.

And that's where dry-humping comes from.

105 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:59:07pm

re: #104 Oblivious Troll

What? You mean inseminating rocks won't result in an earth elemental army?

I've been doing it wrong all this time. :(

106 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 5:59:42pm

re: #105 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

What? You mean inseminating rocks won't result in an earth elemental army?

I've been doing it wrong all this time. :(

Man on rock. It's the slippery slope they've been warning us about.

107 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:00:05pm

And now for something completely ... different. A pair of panoramic photos I took from Jerusalem.

108 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:00:09pm

re: #105 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

What? You mean inseminating rocks won't result in an earth elemental army?

I've been doing it wrong all this time. :(

Different strokes and all that.

109 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:01:36pm

Bigger news:

CinemaCon 2012: Warner Bros. to Preview 'The Hobbit'

Up to 10 minutes of Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey will be screened in 3D at 48 frames per second during a Warner Bros. slate presentation Tuesday at CinemaCon.

The Hobbit will be one of many films that will be previewed at the theater owners confab, where for the first time in at least a decade, all of the major studios will present preview clips of their upcoming slate. The newly merged Lionsgate and Summit is also in Las Vegas to screen What to Expect When You're Expecting.

Millions of fans around the world are eagerly anticipating the prequel to Jackson’s The Lord of the Rings trilogy, which grossed an estimated $2.9 billion worldwide.

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey will also become the first major motion picture to be made at the high frame rate (HFR) of 48 fps.

Frame rates are the number of images displayed by a projector within one second. 24 frames per second (fps) has long been the standard in cinema, but Jackson, James Cameron and Douglas Trumbull are among the filmmakers who are urging the industry to consider higher frame rates — what they believe will greatly reduce or eliminate motion artifacts. [...]

110 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:02:15pm

re: #106 Oblivious Troll

Man on rock. It's the slippery slope they've been warning us about.

It depends on the type of rock. Now, if it were raining, a slope made of obsidian would be very slippery. I wouldn't advice the man to walk on the slippery slope until it dries off.

Now, a slope made of a'a, probably the man has no intention of walking on it, because although it's not slippery, it would hurt like crazy to walk on, wet, dry, or covered in margarine.

111 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:03:35pm

Worth the read...

Eating man’s best friend
By Ian Boudreau
Sunday, April 22, 2012 19:19 EDT

Hello, my name is Ian and one time I ate a dog.

This is grammatically tricky. I didn’t eat a whole dog, I don’t think – it couldn’t have been that much in one sitting. But it feels wrong to say “I ate some dog,” or worse, “I ate dog” – it seems like an article is missing. “I ate dog meat” is probably most accurate, but to use “meat” in conjunction with a word like a “dog” seems to imply a kind of casual relationship with the practice of eating it...

112 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:05:37pm

And yes, that was a prime example of deliberate obtuseness.

113 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:06:29pm

re: #112 Mostly sane, most of the time.

And yes, that was a prime example of deliberate obtuseness.

You're just the acutest little thing i ever did see.

114 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:06:41pm

re: #108 Innumerate Numerologist

Different strokes and all that.

Your just being gneiss. I really took it for granite.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:14:26pm

re: #68 Innumerate Numerologist

How about a one step easy-on condom, or a portable condom applicator?

That's actually less tacky than the hideous garter custom that prevailed when I was in high school.

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:16:01pm

re: #66 palomino

A "daughter of the 1%" may not want her rich parents to know she got pregnant without the permission of Jesus. Therefore the answer is YES: she, just like all other women, might at some point actually need the privacy and services of Planned Parenthood.

I don't particularly associate the rich with piety. Determination to keep up appearances, yes.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:17:50pm

re: #94 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Would you vote for Mia Love? If you lived in Utah, that is.

I only just heard of her, but a quick Google indicates that she's adorable.
Is she HORRIBLE? If not, I might be motivated to vote for her.

118 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:19:41pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

That's actually less tacky than the hideous garter custom that prevailed when I was in high school.

Part of the unease with using condoms comes during that embarrassing two minutes of loading it up. Either you teach the kids how to make it into a game, or you shorten the time.

119 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:23:43pm

re: #114 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

I'm not really getting the shist of it...

120 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:25:24pm

re: #119 lawhawk

Oh well, tuff luck.

121 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:55:36pm

A very eye-opening post, dragonfire1981. Congrats on the front page promotion.

122 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:43:57pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I can imagine some scenarios where it might be helpful but usually it's just a way to introduce a talking point that vexes the average opponent. We all know how to respond to "if we evolved from apes then why are there still monkeys?" but most normal people have never really heard of that before and would just rather give up the debate and walk away.

I know you're probably long gone, but I disagree.

Framing is what the Israelis & Palestinians do it non-stop. They don't do it to vex each other, they do it to sway international opinion in their respective favors. The new breed of "intellectual" racists & white nationalists both here & abroad are doing it, and they're making headway. The so called "counter-Jihadists" do it with Islam & creeping Sharia to great effect. According to Pew, as of 2010 almost 1 in 5 Americans believe President Obama is a Muslim. As Greg Sargent pointed out in the WaPo at the time, 60% of the respondents "learned" this from the media. It works.

123 Stephen T.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:00:44am

re: #3 Randall Gross

I wish I could get on a mailing list to receive these. I'd fill them out and mail them back with my honest answers. My answers, based on the few questions shown here, would probably be far from what they hoped.

124 Stephen T.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:19:07am

re: #71 ArthurSlugworth

I've got it!

How about spray-on condoms, sort of like that spray-on rubber coating like for around the house and for bedliners?

They were trying to create one.

125 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:37:30am

One day last week, I received an automated unsolicited phone survey. It would be just "3 questions", so I put up with it.

1 -- In your opinion, is President Obama's performance satisfactory? Press 1 for Yes, or 2 for No.

I pressed 1. There were no more questions.

/ Suspecting that survey might be biased.

126 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:11:24am

For some inexplicable reason they sent that exact survey intended for my dad to my house. And I answered every question as honestly as I could. Ha. Pops is officially off the GOP Christmas card list now.

127 funky chicken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 12:06:49pm

I got this "survey" as well, and answered it as honestly as I could. I even wrote a couple of notes in the section that asked for comments. I sent it back with no donation (duh) and no real hope that it will have any effect. Oh well, only took 5 minutes of my time to send a message that their insanity is not setting well with one former donor.


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