WaPo Blogger Jennifer Rubin Suddenly Notices That the Right Is Anti-Gay

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The next big rift in the base of the Republican Party may be caused by Mitt Romney’s choice of the openly gay Richard Grenell as foreign policy spokesman. Washington Post blogger Jennifer Rubin is properly appalled at the hateful language of people like Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association, but where was she when all the Republican presidential candidates eagerly consented to be interviewed by Fischer?

Anti-Gay Voices Should Be Rebutted - Right Turn.

And Bryan Fischer is only the most egregious example of the GOP’s fear mongering on gay rights. One of the sustaining principles of today’s reactionary right wing is homosexual panic.

It would be a positive thing for the party and our country if it was crystal clear there is no place in civil discourse for those fanning the flames of hatred toward gays and egging on fellow conservatives to discriminate against gays in hiring. Unfortunately, not everyone on the right agrees.

Understatement of the weekend.

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1 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:05:57pm

Epiphanies are not guaranteed to come at the speed of light.

2 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:08:01pm

The rift with the SoCons will become more manifest as Romney allows himself to become more of his old self. I don’t expect that to be quick or total, but I can see Mitt very carefully practicing putting people in place before November that he would not do back in February.

4 erik_t  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:09:38pm

Big tent!!!

5 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:10:09pm

This is the same Grenell who has been cleaning up his own past online postings, no?

6 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:10:28pm

re: #5 freetoken

This is the same Grenell who has been cleaning up his own past online postings, no?

Yep.

7 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:12:15pm
Reuters veteran Irwin Arieff told The Huffington Post that he’s “appalled to hear that the Romney campaign has hired Mr. Grenell in any capacity.” In an email response, Arieff, who worked over two decades at Reuters, including seven years covering the U.N, said he found Grenell “to be the most dishonest and deceptive press person I ever worked with.”

“He often lied, even more frequently offered half answers or withheld information that would weaken his case or reflect poorly on his ideological point of view,” Arieff said. “He was always argumentative with the press, castigating reporters for asking questions he did not like, and calling them to criticize them for writing articles he did not like.”

Arieff said Grenell “frequently called my superiors — or got Amb. [John] Bolton — to call my editorial superiors to complain about stories, even if they had no errors and were right on target but simply did not fit in with his and/or Bolton’s political views.” Later, Arieff said that Grenell “was above all a conservative ideologue, who did all he could to twist the press coverage of the U.S. Mission to the United Nations to conform with his and Amb. Bolton’s political line.”

8 Kragar  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:12:23pm

re: #4 erik_t

Big tent!!!

Having a revival meeting preaching damnation and hellfire, with a whites only sign hung out front.

9 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:14:01pm

re: #8 Kragar

Having a revival meeting preaching damnation and hellfire, with a whites only sign hung out front.

Don’t shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.

10 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:18:10pm

Read what the True Conservatives over at The Blaze have to say in comments to an article about Grenell’s hiring, for example:

GIRLNURSE
Posted on April 22, 2012 at 3:14pm
@RANGERP: You know…keep talking you are seriously convincing me. I was going to vote Romney but hearing God in my heart, this article, and now you….I do not think I can vote for this heathen with a clear conscience. It looks like I might sit this one out…maybe America does need 4 more years of Bo to let them see how serious this really is…

11 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:19:06pm

Mitt Romney - heathen.

12 erik_t  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:19:48pm

re: #11 freetoken

Mitt Romney - heathen.

It’s going to be really rough when the Democrats start with the hateful religion-based attack ads.

Er.

13 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:21:16pm

More:

YAHSHUARULES
Posted on April 22, 2012 at 4:03pm
THAT IS THE LAST STRAW! For all you who are yelling about how the country is on the verge of destruction so what is a little compromise of allowing a homosexual to be given a prominent position on a suposedly conservative moral candidate’s team…REASON THIS COUNTRY IS CLOSE TO DESTRUCTION is because we have COMPROMISED BIBLICAL JUDEAO/CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES IT WAS FOUNDED ON. Your concern over anything other then returning to the Founders Vision and Principles is a waste of time. Until “Nature’s God (The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob) and Natures Law” (10 commandments) is put back this country is doomed. There is no good without God. Man’s best effort without God is filthy rags. Humanism, Secularism, Relativism, Amorality have got us here. For your information support of Homosexuality is a COMMUNIST MANIFESTO PLANK! It is part of the grinding down and dumbing down and corrupting of America. Its crap like this from Romney which makes me wonder if he is any better then Obama. I will not vote nor can I vote for anyone who supports the queer agenda. I trust in the Almighty and that HIS WILL BE DONE! I will not compromise again. To many times voting for the lesser of two evils and still every time we got evil!
Shame on Romney, where is his decency and morality now! He is supporting and furthering the destruction of this country. Don’t believe me then watch this and will talk:
AGENDA GRINDING DOWN OF AMERICA:

Youtube Video
14 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:21:45pm
So who has a problem with an openly gay justice — “conservatives” or Lewis?

Oh Jennifer, is it time to break out the venn diagrams again?

15 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:23:13pm

Those lifted comments are indicative of the bed in which Romney has chosen to lay. He, and he alone, is responsible for wooing that far right for his support.

16 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:23:52pm

re: #13 freetoken

More:

Bullshit.

Loaded to overflowing in a manure spreader.

Travelling down an eight lane highway.

With the PTO engaged.

17 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:23:55pm

Check it out…

CPAC 2012 moves away from gay conservatives and closer to the politics of hate

Yep. That’s on the Fox News website.

18 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:28:29pm

Like I said awhile back, the schism is turning into a chasm, as the party base and the party stalwarts realize that Romney can’t be something for everyone, and that the crazy shit he had to say to get the nomination won’t win him the presidency.

19 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:35:12pm

OT since it is slow:
If you want an easy savory pastry I just tried this recipe and it turned out nice. For the ale I used an IPA and the cheese I used gruyère, and everything else just as the recipe specifies.

[Link: www.101cookbooks.com…]

20 TedStriker  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:44:34pm

re: #13 freetoken

More:

Sounds like someone needs a Black Helicopter to bring them some meds…

21 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:45:13pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

Like I said awhile back, the schism is turning into a chasm, as the party base and the party stalwarts realize that Romney can’t be something for everyone, and that the crazy shit he had to say to get the nomination won’t win him the presidency.

Etch-a-Sketch time! *Shake shake shake*

22 TedStriker  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:46:39pm

re: #17 Gus

Check it out…

CPAC 2012 moves away from gay conservatives and closer to the politics of hate

Yep. That’s on the Fox News website.

Watch requests for Ms. Hoover to contribute stories to Fox dry up and disappear like a fart in the wind.

Notice the lack of a “Comments” button on that op-ed…

23 Kragar  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:49:43pm

re: #21 Shvaughn

Etch-a-Sketch time! *Shake shake shake*

Youtube Video
24 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:51:59pm

To really, truly appreciate the topic of this post, look at this picture:

Image: ArIN7SbCQAArtfU.gif

Yes, that’s right - 52% of Republicans think gay/lesbian relations should be ILLEGAL.

25 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 6:53:15pm

re: #22 ArthurSlugworth

Watch requests for Ms. Hoover to contribute stories to Fox dry up and disappear like a fart in the wind.

Notice the lack of a “Comments” button on that op-ed…

That was back in February, and she’s still on the O’Reilly Factor on a regular basis. Looks like the wingnuts didn’t fixate on her, likely because she was too small a fish.

26 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:03:21pm

re: #2 freetoken

The rift with the SoCons will become more manifest as Romney allows himself to become more of his old self. I don’t expect that to be quick or total, but I can see Mitt very carefully practicing putting people in place before November that he would not do back in February.

Yeah, maybe he’s got a Sista Souljah moment in him. OTOH, he seems like he’s got all the spine of a typical jellyfish. I think his strategy is largely to be bland, competent and the alternative to the guy who hasn’t miraculously fixed our economy.

27 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:04:58pm

re: #11 freetoken

Mitt Romney - heathen.

No way. He chose the mormon way of life, I don’t want him in my club. Us heathens like to party, I just can’t see RoboMitt at a kegger.

28 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:05:34pm

re: #24 Interesting Times

To really, truly appreciate the topic of this post, look at this picture:

Image: ArIN7SbCQAArtfU.gif

Yes, that’s right - 52% of Republicans think gay/lesbian relations should be ILLEGAL.

Yeah, this is one of those issues where there’s relatively little space between Dems and Independents, and then a huge gulf between those two groups and the GOP. Which is why the GOP will lose this issue, in most of the country at least, in the long run.

29 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:08:32pm

re: #19 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

OT since it is slow:
If you want an easy savory pastry I just tried this recipe and it turned out nice. For the ale I used an IPA and the cheese I used gruyère, and everything else just as the recipe specifies.

[Link: www.101cookbooks.com…]

Cheesy beer biscuits, yum.

30 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:08:44pm
31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:11:04pm

re: #26 palomino

Yeah, maybe he’s got a Sista Souljah moment in him. OTOH, he seems like he’s got all the spine of a typical jellyfish. I think his strategy is largely to be bland, competent and the alternative to the guy who hasn’t miraculously fixed our economy.

An outright “Sister Souljah moment” really isn’t Mitt’s thing; he’s more likely to use others to try to weaken the haters first, after which he can join the ‘consensus’ against the haters. This weakens the impact of the moment, but does potentially offer a way to kick the people sent forth under the bus if the haters defeat them.

32 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:11:08pm

re: #26 palomino

Yeah, maybe he’s got a Sista Souljah moment in him. OTOH, he seems like he’s got all the spine of a typical jellyfish. I think his strategy is largely to be bland, competent and the alternative to the guy who hasn’t miraculously fixed our economy.

Pretty much. He’s gonna try to openly avoid the socon bits, instead letting the party agitators do the work for him. And when he’s questioned about them, dismissively say that it’s all Obama’s doing, that he’s just focused on the economy.

33 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:13:00pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

And then he has to dodge questions about the economy, like if he supports Paul Ryan’s plan and stands by his commitment to defense budget, which would mean reducing the federal government to just the military.

34 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:14:39pm

re: #24 Interesting Times

To really, truly appreciate the topic of this post, look at this picture:

Image: ArIN7SbCQAArtfU.gif

Yes, that’s right - 52% of Republicans think gay/lesbian relations should be ILLEGAL.

Many of the same ilk here:
Poll: 46% Of Mississippi Republicans Think Interracial Marriage Should Be Illegal

35 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:15:46pm

re: #33 Obdicut

And then he has to dodge questions about the economy, like if he supports Paul Ryan’s plan and stands by his commitment to defense budget, which would mean reducing the federal government to just the military.

I’ll have to look, but I think he was largely silent on the last outing of the Ryan Plan, while the GOP at large eventually dropped back to the “It’s getting people talking about these ‘problems,’” where “problems” is the GOP’s perceived need to jettison Medicare and Social Security in favor of “market-driven alternatives.”

36 TheSwedish  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:19:48pm

As these remarks about Rachel Maddow show, Mr. Grenell is himself anti - gay ([Link: bit.ly…] I doubt the mainstream media will call out Grenell on this (after all, they were invisible when David Vitter said something similar about her), but we can, and should, start in the blogosphere.

37 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:21:52pm

Well, having taken the Wayback Machine for a spin, I found what Romney was saying last year about the Ryan Plan:

Romney On GOP Budget: Ryan And I ‘Are On The Same Page’

Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) plan to fundamentally change the workings of Medicare and Medicaid? Count Mitt Romney in.

“He is setting the right tone for finally getting spending and entitlements under control,” Romney told TPM in a statement. “Anyone who has read my book knows that we are on the same page.”

In his book, Romney suggests turning Medicaid from a single-payer program to a managed care system and/or allowing recipients to opt-out of the program entirely and receive their benefits in the form of a voucher that would be used to cover privately-obtained care.

38 Ming  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:25:41pm

It will be interesting to see what position Romney takes on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Will he be in favor of reinstating it in the military? If he’s not in favor of reinstating DADT, will he be willing to admit that Obama accomplished something in working with Congress, and the Pentagon, to eliminate DADT for good? Will Romney avoid the DADT issue completely?

39 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:27:01pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

An outright “Sister Souljah moment” really isn’t Mitt’s thing; he’s more likely to use others to try to weaken the haters first, after which he can join the ‘consensus’ against the haters. This weakens the impact of the moment, but does potentially offer a way to kick the people sent forth under the bus if the haters defeat them.

Yeah, Clinton had the gift of “feeling your pain” that few politicians do. You’re probably right: Mitt should stay in his comfort zone, robotic though it may be, rather than trying to be something he’s not—inspirational, a great orator, etc.

40 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:27:44pm

OMG! Moderates!

41 erik_t  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:28:05pm

re: #39 palomino

Yeah, Clinton had the gift of “feeling your pain” that few politicians do. You’re probably right: Mitt should stay in his comfort zone, robotic though it may be, rather than trying to be something he’s not—inspirational, a great orator, etc.

Does Mitt Romney have a public comfort zone? Outside of the boardroom, he doesn’t really exude competence in, well, much of anything.

42 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:32:35pm

re: #38 Ming

It will be interesting to see what position Romney takes on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Will he be in favor of reinstating it in the military? If he’s not in favor of reinstating DADT, will he be willing to admit that Obama accomplished something in working with Congress, and the Pentagon, to eliminate DADT for good? Will Romney avoid the DADT issue completely?

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Crazytown, TX) actually said something funny, almost witty, the other day that sorta relates to this topic…”I think everyone, liberal or conservative, can find something to like about Romney because at one time or another he’s been on your side.”

He actually said this AFTER Romney had sewn up the nod, but that doesn’t really matter—few people take Gohmert seriously (he’s like Bachmann without the brains) and Romney doesn’t exactly need articulate surrogates running around TX drumming up votes. TX won’t be in play for another decade or so, then the demo changes will kick in.

I don’t really think the question is so much which side Romney will take on DADT, but whether he will take a side at all…maybe he’ll take both sides or neither. Seems to be working for him so far. He’s the tabula rasa candidate.

43 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:32:38pm

Instead of marginalizing and dismissing the moderate Muslims Republicans maybe we should support them and wish them well.
/Just a radical thought

44 erik_t  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:33:09pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Instead of marginalizing and dismissing the moderate Muslims Republicans maybe we should support them and wish them well.
/Just a radical thought

The who?

45 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:33:51pm

re: #38 Ming

It will be interesting to see what position Romney takes on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Will he be in favor of reinstating it in the military? If he’s not in favor of reinstating DADT, will he be willing to admit that Obama accomplished something in working with Congress, and the Pentagon, to eliminate DADT for good? Will Romney avoid the DADT issue completely?

Unless he’s changed his position since last year, he’s okay with it being overturned, but didn’t like happening “during a war.”

46 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:34:08pm

re: #44 erik_t

The who?

Who’s on first.

47 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:35:19pm

re: #39 palomino

Yeah, Clinton had the gift of “feeling your pain” that few politicians do. You’re probably right: Mitt should stay in his comfort zone, robotic though it may be, rather than trying to be something he’s not—inspirational, a great orator, etc.

Where mitt would really shine right now is on the GSA’s failures. A badly organized agency like that is a natural target for him, as he often reorganized businesses to remove organizational dysfunction, both as a business consultant and later as a venture capitalist. Mitt should put out a general plan for a GSA overhaul, emphasizing his skills in that arena. Especially helpful is that when it comes to a federal agency he won’t have to hide from the fact that his reorgs often required downsizing: Downsizing a dysfunctional federal agency is a winner with voters.

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:36:15pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Who’s on first.

No, actually, the Daleks had exterminated first, so now he’s on second holding them off with his screwdriver.

49 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:36:22pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Instead of marginalizing and dismissing the moderate Muslims Republicans maybe we should support them and wish them well.
/Just a radical thought

Just as soon as I get done feeding the dodos and passenger pigeons.

//

50 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:38:05pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Instead of marginalizing and dismissing the moderate Muslims Republicans maybe we should support them and wish them well.
/Just a radical thought

The moderate Republican you speak of is an endangered species. There is no longer a robust moderate Rockefeller/Ford/Bush Sr./Dole wing in the party.

51 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:39:42pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

Where mitt would really shine right now is on the GSA’s failures. A badly organized agency like that is a natural target for him, as he often reorganized businesses to remove organizational dysfunction, both as a business consultant and later as a venture capitalist. Mitt should put out a general plan for a GSA overhaul, emphasizing his skills in that arena. Especially helpful is that when it comes to a federal agency he won’t have to hide from the fact that his reorgs often required downsizing: Downsizing a dysfunctional federal agency is a winner with voters.

Not if they don’t even know what that federal agency is or what it does. It’s like the Solyndra “scandal”: it shows up all over right wing blogs, in a self-reinforcing loop, but no one else really cares.

Moreover, I think Romney wants to cultivate an image as a guy who’s got great business acumen, not as a guy who’s gonna come in with a samurai sword and start shredding things. Fair or not, the image of him as a corporate vulture is not something he wants to highlight.

52 erik_t  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:46:53pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

Where mitt would really shine right now is on the GSA’s failures. A badly organized agency like that is a natural target for him, as he often reorganized businesses to remove organizational dysfunction, both as a business consultant and later as a venture capitalist. Mitt should put out a general plan for a GSA overhaul, emphasizing his skills in that arena. Especially helpful is that when it comes to a federal agency he won’t have to hide from the fact that his reorgs often required downsizing: Downsizing a dysfunctional federal agency is a winner with voters.

I assume you can explain how the GSA is a badly run organization due to executive improprieties, while Best Buy is successful and growing despite executive improprieties.

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:48:04pm

re: #51 palomino

Not if they don’t even know what that federal agency is or what it does. It’s like the Solyndra “scandal”: it shows up all over right wing blogs, in a self-reinforcing loop, but no one else really cares.

Moreover, I think Romney wants to cultivate an image as a guy who’s got great business acumen, not as a guy who’s gonna come in with a samurai sword and start shredding things. Fair or not, the image of him as a corporate vulture is not something he wants to highlight.

To be fair, the GSA scandal isn’t just a Fox News “OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!1”; CNN has picked it up and run with it, as has the Washington Post. The overall picture is of a severely dysfunctional agency, and that’s a view Mitt can use.

54 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:48:57pm

re: #52 erik_t

I assume you can explain how the GSA is a badly run organization due to executive improprieties, while Best Buy is successful and growing despite executive improprieties.

Big business is inherently good (see the year 2008), while even democratic government (despite being one of the hallmarks of civilization) is inherently bad.

55 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:50:52pm

re: #52 erik_t

I assume you can explain how the GSA is a badly run organization due to executive improprieties, while Best Buy is successful and growing despite executive improprieties.

I did not say anything about executive improprieties, and neither should Mitt Romney. He should be making the case “I am the one who can fix this dysfunctional agency, making it run better and saving the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.” Obama shouldn’t even by mentioned in that speech.

56 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:51:48pm

“Don’t Let The Bastards Keep You Down”

Youtube Video
57 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:52:02pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

Where mitt would really shine right now is on the GSA’s failures. A badly organized agency like that is a natural target for him, as he often reorganized businesses to remove organizational dysfunction, both as a business consultant and later as a venture capitalist. Mitt should put out a general plan for a GSA overhaul, emphasizing his skills in that arena. Especially helpful is that when it comes to a federal agency he won’t have to hide from the fact that his reorgs often required downsizing: Downsizing a dysfunctional federal agency is a winner with voters.

Jesus Christ, you really believe this too. Mitt’s track record is to fire all of the experienced managers and employees and bring in a bunch of well meaning know nothings, then flip the property in a few years after it’s been laden with debt. It was win win for him because the debt went to pay for his own firms consulting fees, even if the firm failed there was no risk incurred. Problem is that the government isn’t a business, it can’t be flipped, it’s ours whether the GOP accepts this or not and there’s no escaping the risk for us. Also, the entire Republican lower taxes mindset ignores the fact that no business ever seeks to limit or lower its ability to generate income. So if you want to run the government like a business then the whole “starve the beast” mentality is at odds with the fact that all successful businesses seek to increase their income, to grow. In order to grow you need experience at all levels, and not some slick, good looking CEO with a history of profiting off of destruction.

At some point you’re going to have to confront the fact that your entire ideology is based on a mountain of cognitive dissonance.

58 erik_t  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:52:39pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

I did not say anything about executive improprieties, and neither should Mitt Romney. He should be making the case “I am the one who can fix this dysfunctional agency, making it run better and saving the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.” Obama shouldn’t even by mentioned in that speech.

I… what? Why is the GSA a story of disfunction if not for the recent top-level scandal?

Are you even aware of why the GSA is in the news, or do you just see it as a way for your tribe to get a leg up?

59 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:52:51pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, the GSA scandal isn’t just a Fox News “OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!1”; CNN has picked it up and run with it, as has the Washington Post. The overall picture is of a severely dysfunctional agency, and that’s a view Mitt can use.

So one dysfunctional agency that most Americans have never heard of will be a strong arrow in Mitt’s quiver? Very doubtful, as there’s really no precedent for such an issue being decisive in a prez election. The slow recovery is what will doom Obama, just as it did Bush Sr., Carter, Herbert Hoover.

Obama’s admin. has had few scandals of any import. If all the gop has is solyndra, gsa, and some horny drunk secret service agents, that won’t get the job done. Like him or not, Obama is pretty squeaky clean compared with say Clinton or Nixon or LBJ or Reagan.

60 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:55:31pm

On the plus side, Earth Day is nearly over and I have yet to read a story today about wingnuts wasting natural resources to mark the occasion.

61 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:56:45pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

I did not say anything about executive improprieties, and neither should Mitt Romney. He should be making the case “I am the one who can fix this dysfunctional agency, making it run better and saving the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.” Obama shouldn’t even by mentioned in that speech.

Here’s the problem: people know what Best Buy is; they’ve never heard of the GSA, and thus don’t care.

62 Lidane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:58:07pm

From Rubin’s article:

Romney’s remarks should serve as a guide for conservatives.

Wow. She’s delusional as well as naive. Not only is she just now noticing that the right hates gay people, but she thinks that conservatives are going to listen to Mitt Romney? Ha! Good luck with that.

63 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:58:38pm

re: #58 erik_t

I… what? Why is the GSA a story of disfunction if not for the recent top-level scandal?

Are you even aware of why the GSA is in the news, or do you just see it as a way for your tribe to get a leg up?

Oh yea, who know not what I know! In the course of my work i have spoken to many who have worked with the GSA, and many are the nasty stories I have heard. Service Disabled Veteran status ignored, defective bidding practices, and inability to to procure new types of of items without a over-long bureaucratic process: the GSA has all of these and more. Believe me: I know what I’m talking about.

64 erik_t  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:00:37pm

Thank God, we will now have dueling allegories.

Fuck this, I’m out. Good night, everyone.

65 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:01:04pm

re: #62 Lidane

From Rubin’s article:

Wow. She’s delusional as well as naive. Not only is she just now noticing that the right hates gay people, but she thinks that conservatives are going to listen to Mitt Romney? Ha! Good luck with that.

Exactly…How convenient! Well, she’s a team player and wouldn’t want to rock the boat with compassion or respect for gays BEFORE the competitive part of the primary season had ended.

66 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:03:00pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

Oh yea, who know not what I know! In the course of my work i have spoken to many who have worked with the GSA, and many are the nasty stories I have heard. Service Disabled Veteran status ignored, defective bidding practices, and inability to to procure new types of of items without a over-long bureaucratic process: the GSA has all of these and more. Believe me: I know what I’m talking about.

So Obama came in and ruined a well functioning GSA?

67 HappyWarrior  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:03:18pm

Does she not remember 2004 at all when Republican controlled state legislatures put bans on gay marriage as a means of getting out the vote? Conservatism in this country has had an adversarial relationship with gay rights. For Rubin to act like this is new news is dishonesty and cognitive dissonance at its worst.

68 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:07:29pm

Hi Steve! Glad to see you’re doing well.
/G’nite, y’all

69 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:09:11pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Hi Steve! Glad to see you’re doing well.
/G’nite, y’all

Who’s Steve?

70 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:09:57pm

re: #66 palomino

So Obama came in and ruined a well functioning GSA?

For the second time; No. The GSA was seriously messed up under George W. Bush, and it got worse in 2008-2010 without a permanent Administrator (I don’t blame Obama for that, as it wasn’t a high-priority nomination and so had to wait till after his health care bill passed). My argument is not that Barak Obama caused the GSA to be dysfunctional, my argument is that the GSA is dysfunctional and Mitt Romney is the man to fix it. Blame assignment is not part of the argument.

71 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:15:15pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

When has Romney ever demonstrated he can fix a dysfunctional government department?

72 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:15:19pm

Black churchgoers break with leading Democrats on marriage amendment

Bishop Phillip Davis had not planned to talk about marriage and politics, but five minutes into his sermon at Nations Ford Community Church in Charlotte he changed his mind.

Not only should the 6,000 members of the overwhelmingly African-American congregation pray with one voice, he said, come May 8 they should vote with one, too.

“You know, we got this amendment on the ballot,” Davis said, walking to the back of the church stage, then throwing his arm around a member of the men’s choir as laughter grew.

“If I was your pastor, and I was married to him, how many of y’all would be here today? ”

Thirty-one states – in 31 tries – have approved amendments to block gay unions. Based on the polls, North Carolina is a good bet to extend the streak May 8, due in part to African-American congregations like Nations Ford.

A March 23 survey by Public Policy Polling of Raleigh showed that black voters statewide support the measure 61 percent to 30 percent. Whites: 58-38 percent in favor.

More than 80 percent of the state’s African-Americans voters are Democrats. Their support for the amendment represents a rare break with the party’s leaders and civil rights groups.


[…]

Yet, most of the state’s African-Americans appear ready to rely on the Bible as their voting guide. They cite Genesis and the Gospels as defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman, and quote from Leviticus in the Old Testament and Paul in the New, which call same-gender sex abominable, perverse and shameful.

As such, the marriage amendment has hammered a wedge between two enduring traits of African-American believers – a tradition of political and social activism, and a streak of moral conservatism, especially when it comes to gays and lesbians.

[…]

This is just one example of why President Obama, even if he were inclined to, does not come out strongly in support of gay marriage.

America is first and foremost a religious nation, and secondly a democratic one.

73 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:16:05pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

For the second time; No. The GSA was seriously messed up under George W. Bush, and it got worse in 2008-2010 without a permanent Administrator (I don’t blame Obama for that, as it wasn’t a high-priority nomination and so had to wait till after his health care bill passed). My argument is not that Barak Obama caused the GSA to be dysfunctional, my argument is that the GSA is dysfunctional and Mitt Romney is the man to fix it. Blame assignment is not part of the argument.

I didn’t read what you said the first time. Don’t get all huffy!/

Is it possible Obama didn’t appoint anyone because he was blocked? I think the GOP did a little of that over the past 3 years.

My point is that the GSA is unknown to most voters. Your argument makes sense for the economy as a whole in terms of Romney’s message—indeed, it’s his strongest message and really his only one other than Obama hates America, which I assume we’ll hear a little less of directly from him, now that he’s courting moderates and indies. But talk of the GSA specifically is really just for wonks.

74 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:16:36pm

re: #71 Obdicut

When has Romney ever demonstrated he can fix a dysfunctional government department?

Romneycare?

75 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:17:21pm

Yes. Because it’s not really Republicans that are marginalizing their moderates. It’s the liberals fault.

Apparently this also makes Jennifer Rubin a moderate too.

Pass the smelling salts.

76 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:18:51pm

re: #73 palomino

I didn’t read what you said the first time. Don’t get all huffy!/

Sorry, but it seemed like you weren’t listening, and had just decided I was being wingnutty. If that was not your intent then I’m sorry for snapping at you.

77 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:19:54pm

re: #72 freetoken

Black churchgoers break with leading Democrats on marriage amendment

This is just one example of why President Obama, even if he were inclined to, does not come out strongly in support of gay marriage.

America is first and foremost a religious nation, and secondly a democratic one.

I generally agree with the observation about religion. But the stats on gay marriage are moving in a favorable direction across racial and ethnic and class lines, just not across age lines. So eventually the religiously intolerant will lose on this issue. In most of the country.

78 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:21:22pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t read what you said the first time. Don’t get all huffy!/

Sorry, but it seemed like you weren’t listening, and had just decided I was being wingnutty. If that was not your intent then I’m sorry for snapping at you.

I missed what you said the first time. But no biggie…no harm, no foul.

79 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:22:13pm

re: #71 Obdicut

When has Romney ever demonstrated he can fix a dysfunctional government department?

I’m waiting for him to name a company that he personally helped bring back from the brink and make profitable.

80 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:23:52pm

re: #77 palomino

I generally agree with the observation about religion. But the stats on gay marriage are moving in a favorable direction across racial and ethnic and class lines, just not across age lines. So eventually the religiously intolerant will lose on this issue. In most of the country.

Yes, but not yet. In the medium-term, North Carolina is going to continue to oppose gay unions. Homosexuals will not be allowed to marry in that state because a majority of the state’s voters do not want them to do so for religious reasons.

81 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:25:48pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Instead of marginalizing and dismissing the moderate Muslims Republicans maybe we should support them and wish them well.
/Just a radical thought

LOL, if Rubin is a moderate Republican, then we’re gonna have to redefine what constitutes a moderate Muslim.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:25:56pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but not yet. In the medium-term, North Carolina is going to continue to oppose gay unions. Homosexuals will not be allowed to marry in that state because a majority of the state’s voters do not want them to do so for religious reasons.

Nate Silver says Mississippi will be the last state to legalize same-sex marriage. In 2024. He said that a while ago. I wonder if he’s made any revisions.

83 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:31:05pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Nate Silver says Mississippi will be the last state to legalize same-sex marriage. In 2024. He said that a while ago. I wonder if he’s made any revisions.

That prediction seems optimistic, since 46% of Mississippi Republicans still believe interracial marriage should be illegal.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:32:24pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

That prediction seems optimistic, since 46% of Mississippi Republicans still believe interracial marriage should be illegal.

And yet, it is legal.

I dunno. Nate crunches the numbers. I just report.

85 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:32:38pm

re: #69 palomino

Who’s Steve?

Probably someone in New Mexico.

86 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:33:04pm

It has struck for some time that a sure way to make an income in this country is to enter into the Jesus business.

Perhaps I should start small, say with a daily devotional. I wonder what I could pick as a name for it…

Oh…

Your Daily Loquat

87 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:33:29pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but not yet. In the medium-term, North Carolina is going to continue to oppose gay unions. Homosexuals will not be allowed to marry in that state because a majority of the state’s voters do not want them to do so for religious reasons.

That’s why I said “eventually” and “in most of the country”. But the pace of change over the last decade has been astonishing. In 2000, there were no states with civil unions or gay marriage. Now there are 9 with gay marriage and another 11 with civil union. (20 out of 50 isn’t bad over a 12 year period.)

I don’t expect that in the South soon. Most southern states have gone in the opposite direction, adding amendments to their state constitutions explicitly forbidding both same sex marriage and any form of civil union. (Nate Silver is too optimistic when he says all states will have it by 2025, with Miss. being the last to pass it.)

But I do expect the whole west coast, much of the upper Midwest and all of the northeast to legalize it soon. Over the last year polls consistently show that an overall majority now support gay marriage…for the first time in our history. The only group opposed is 65+, so the numbers aren’t in the favor of the homophobes, be they religiously motivated or not.

88 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:36:36pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

And yet, it is legal.

I dunno. Nate crunches the numbers. I just report.

It’s legal because of the Supreme Court, not public opinion.

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but not yet. In the medium-term, North Carolina is going to continue to oppose gay unions. Homosexuals will not be allowed to marry in that state because a majority of the state’s voters do not want them to do so for religious reasons.

This is exactly why public opinion should have nothing to do with rights, and why rights should never be subject to a vote.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:38:34pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

It’s legal because of the Supreme Court, not public opinion.

Indeed.

90 palomino  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:40:51pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

It’s legal because of the Supreme Court, not public opinion.

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

This is exactly why public opinion should have nothing to do with rights, and why rights should never be subject to a vote.

I think Nate Silver is predicting that all state legislatures will pass gay marriage by 2025. And that such laws will be driven by changing public opinion in every state (NY, MA, WA, etc. so far), with Miss. moving the slowest—no surprise there. But I think he’s way too optimistic about the South.

91 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:41:53pm

Huntsman gaslights GOP, compares the party to communist China

Huntsman, the former Utah governor and once President Barack Obama’s Ambassador to China, expressed disappointment that the Republican Party disinvited him from a Florida fundraiser in March after he publicly called for a third party.

“This is what they do in China on party matters if you talk off script,” he said.

92 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:46:16pm

re: #91 Gus

JON GOES ROGUE!!

93 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:46:59pm

re: #91 Gus

Huntsman gaslights GOP, compares the party to communist China

If you call for a third party, you’re not going to be welcome in either major party, nor should you be. If you are going to be a Republican, then a certain amount of loyalty is expected. I’m going to side with the Florida GOP on this one.

94 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:47:55pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

If you call for a third party, you’re not going to be welcome in either major party, nor should you be. If you are going to be a Republican, then a certain amount of loyalty is expected. I’m going to side with the Florida GOP on this one.

Right. I’m sure they dis-invited Ron Paul too.

95 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:48:15pm

Which further proves Huntsman’s point.

96 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:58:14pm

Speaking of the Jesus industry, Sergey and I have been having a running conversation late at nights about Ehrman’s latest book (Did Jesus Exist), which is having a bit of a fall out in the various atheist/agnostic camps (mythicists versus historicists).

Yet I can’t help but notice how Ehrman, and his publisher, have learned well from the Jesus industry experts in how to market their product. Ehrman shows up in a video made by the publisher to push the book:

Youtube Video

Expertly done to craft attention but also to get viewers to believe that Ehrman is indeed the last word on this. Notice how he refers to himself as a historian and thus he can assure the viewer of the existence of an actual Jesus of Nazareth. It is of course just pure fallacy, logically, but right out of a marketing playbook.

97 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:00:48pm

That’s such a slick video.

98 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:02:22pm

Ehrman (and his publisher) know quite well there is large potential market in the disillusioned evangelical crowd, who are rabid book buyers.

99 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:05:41pm

Oh, how I wish at one of the Republican “debates” a questioner would have asked “Did the Angel Moroni really exist?”

100 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:12:19pm

re: #98 freetoken

Ehrman (and his publisher) know quite well there is large potential market in the disillusioned evangelical crowd, who are rabid book buyers.

I would assume Ehrman would be controversial himself.

101 CarleeCork  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:17:24pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but not yet. In the medium-term, North Carolina is going to continue to oppose gay unions. Homosexuals will not be allowed to marry in that state because a majority of the state’s voters do not want them to do so for religious reasons.

A violation of The Constitution.

102 sagehen  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:17:24pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, the GSA scandal isn’t just a Fox News “OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!1”; CNN has picked it up and run with it, as has the Washington Post. The overall picture is of a severely dysfunctional agency, and that’s a view Mitt can use.

Maybe you’re not aware, the reason the GSA is severely dysfunctional is because the Bush admin packed it with political appointees chosen for ideology rather than competence. They burrowed in at the end of the admin, and now have civil service protection.

That was one of the scandals the Dems went after as soon as they took Congress in ‘06 and held the Oversight Committee gavel — they were doing all kinds of political work (Hatch Act violations), but the evidence was only sufficient to catch a few of the top people. Lurita Doan only had to resign; David Safavian went to prison. There’s still scads of mid-level and low-level people who don’t truly believe it’s government’s role to serve the governed.

103 Lidane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:19:58pm

re: #91 Gus

I can’t help but wonder if Huntsman will end up replacing Hillary Clinton at State should Barack Obama win a second term. It’s not like he’s going to win any future elections with the GOP, since the Republicans are determined to pander to the ignorant, the bigots, and the RWNJs, and he’s already got the diplomatic bonafides.

104 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:21:27pm

re: #100 Gus

I would assume Ehrman would be controversial himself.

Oh, he is, very controversial in some religious circles as well as to the mythicist crowd.

Since Ehrman was once one of their own, American evangelicals wrestle with Ehrman, because either he is an example that one can “lose one’s salvation”, or he has something to be heard.

Ehrman and his publisher benefits either way, though, in that the more notoriety he gets the more books he will sell. Either someone will hate him, but feel they have to read his book to prove him wrong, or someone will be intrigued by him and want to read his book. In either case, it’s another book off the shelf.

105 Lidane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:21:50pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Homosexuals will not be allowed to marry in that state because a majority of the state’s voters do not want them to do so for religious reasons.

Tough shit for them. They need to get over it.

Civil rights are not up for popular vote. If they were, we’d still have Jim Crow laws in force right now.

106 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:22:52pm

Well, according to the CNN new alert, GZ just posted bail and was released.

107 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:24:49pm

re: #103 Lidane

Thing is, and this has been pointed out by a couple of analysts/pundits, Jon Huntsman really does rate rather “conservative” on scales which actually evaluate past actions and statements.

His temperament, though, is not populist. Very much not populist. So the populism movements couldn’t connect with him.

Now, Jon may be trying to rebrand himself as a populist, with this call for a third party. If he can rebrand himself successfully then maybe he’ll have a chance for a future run.

Yet, I don’t see him in any Obama administration.

108 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:25:21pm

re: #105 Lidane

Tough shit for them. They need to get over it.

Civil rights are not up for popular vote. If they were, we’d still have Jim Crow laws in force right now.

Intended as a statement of fact, no more. The state courts are unlikely to oppose it and the 4th Circuit is not nearly as liberal as the 9th Circuit.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:26:53pm

re: #107 freetoken

Thing is, and this has been pointed out by a couple of analysts/pundits, Jon Huntsman really does rate rather “conservative” on scales which actually evaluate past actions and statements.

His temperament, though, is not populist. Very much not populist. So the populism movements couldn’t connect with him.

Now, Jon may be trying to rebrand himself as a populist, with this call for a third party. If he can rebrand himself successfully then maybe he’ll have a chance for a future run.

Yet, I don’t see him in any Obama administration.

Obama has always fashioned himself as close to the people. Huntsman is more the detached scholar-governor. Think Adlai Stevenson.

110 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:29:29pm

re: #103 Lidane

I can’t help but wonder if H

111 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:30:38pm

Cripes. Connx. sucks here. Later.

112 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:31:01pm

You ever want to just take a sledge hammer to your computer?

113 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:31:30pm

re: #103 Lidane

I can’t help but wonder if Huntsman will end up replacing Hillary Clinton at State should Barack Obama win a second term. It’s not like he’s going to win any future elections with the GOP, since the Republicans are determined to pander to the ignorant, the bigots, and the RWNJs, and he’s already got the diplomatic bonafides.

I suppose he could replace Clinton if she retires, as rumored, after the election. Susan Rice is a good contender for that position. As far as any optimism for the Republican Party I certainly don’t have any and no amount of snark from anyone will change my mind otherwise. Republicans will try an bury the social issues for the rest of the year just as ALEC has announced it is reducing their focus on social issues. Game plan now is for Romney to move toward the center for the general election but not too far to scare off the base. Most hard corps Republicans won’t care about Grenell since he was already in the Bush WH for a couple of year. They’ll just tell themselves “love the sinner hate the sin.” There won’t be any impact really. Then there’s the women’s issues.

114 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:31:54pm

re: #103 Lidane

I can’t help but wonder if Huntsman%2

115 Gus  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:32:20pm

WTH

116 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:34:11pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Certainly Huntsman was the most cerebral of the candidates for the GOP nomination this year.

He never struck me as being detached, or even aloof. But it was pretty clear that he believed in himself more than in das populi in front of which he was “debating”. This was so obvious when he would speak Chinese on stage - nothing could have said “I’m more world-wise and educated than you clods” more clearly.

117 Lidane  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:49:07pm

re: #116 freetoken

This was so obvious when he would speak Chinese on stage - nothing could have said “I’m more world-wise and educated than you clods” more clearly.

Not only that, but speaking Chinese on stage was a deliberate way to annoy the English Only bigots and the people who called him a Manchurian Candidate and secret commie because he willingly went to China.

118 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:50:53pm

Testing:

SoundCloud
119 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 10:20:05pm

The plus side of SoundCloud embedding is that one can bring over one of their playlists:

SoundCloud

Bummer about no volume control, though.

120 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 10:21:40pm

CliChe’ Guevara

Oh how I love business speak.

121 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 10:23:43pm

Haven’t found a whole lot in their library that is really appealing to me, but there is this, one of the best “salsa” dance tunes IMO, for those who like to dance the melody or the clave (unlike the slavish 4-count pallid imitation of partner dancing a la DWTS routines of “salsa”.)

SoundCloud
122 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 10:25:11pm

Though I wonder if The New Swing Sextet agreed for SoundCloud to host that.

123 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 10:29:26pm

re: #120 Kronocide

CliChe’ Guevara

Oh how I love business speak.

He, speaking of “Che”, here is another one by TNSS, called “Che Che” - another great dance tune:

SoundCloud
124 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 10:33:58pm

Fox News (Not Fox Nation) has a story up on Michelle Obama (Michelle Obama becoming the most televised first lady). Given that its FNC, the comments are the usual racist sewer:

novel_concepts 2 minutes ago

Of course she is the most televised first lady in U.S. history. First of all, in her own mind she is much more important than her big eared freak of a husband. Additionally, the networks love featuring her because she looks like a science project gone wrong…that being, what would happen if you breed Patrick Ewing with Sasquatch. You end up with this ghastly freak of a human. Her rump always looks like two rhinos fighting under a blanket.

She is almost as big of a joke as a human as her husband is as the president. Lord…
show more
1 person liked this.

cut_2_the_chase 8 minutes ago

Obama tries to hog all the air time he can get, thinking that people really love him, and now his wife is doing the same thing. They aren’t stupid, they are just mistaken - - the only people who fawn over them are the ones who are unable to reason even on the lowest level. (Liberals) I would hate to know that the only people who thought I was great were those kind of people.
2 people liked this.

t_party_4ever 15 minutes ago

I don’t believe in evolution, but in Michelle’s case I will make an exception. That ni99er is still an ape!
2 people liked this.

cut_2_the_chase 10 minutes ago in reply to t_party_4ever

From one white man to another …. you are an idiot.
1 person liked this.

Arizondautch 0 minutes ago in reply to cut_2_the_chase

And, your a traitor to your race !

TIKKUN613 15 minutes ago

It’s appropriate that she appears on Comedy central, her husbands entire Presidency is a joke.
As to he excessive face time, she knows she only has 8 more months as 1st lady, she is trying
to inflict us with eight years of her fugliness in the time that is left.
Then again, maybe she’s simply as narcissistic as ovomit.

t_party_4ever 18 minutes ago

Is Wild Kingdom the show where Michelle proved they can train a ni99er ape to hate America?
3 people liked this.

t_party_4ever 21 minutes ago

The only channel Michelle Obama belongs on is Animal Planet. That’s the only channel any ni99er belongs on.
But especially gorillas like her.
2 people liked this.

obamabaggersuck 22 minutes ago

1st cuunt is trying to prove Sasquatches exist…
2 people liked this.

lhoward 21 minutes ago in reply to obamabaggersuck

Spottings are up…especially on the east coast.

125 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 10:45:48pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Oh, c’mon. We all know it’s the omnipresent Kilgore Trout who is planting those comments.

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 10:49:47pm

I support gay marriage, but not actively or openly. I think that is the case with many supporters.

But opponents of gay marriage are often very vocal and even aggressive about their opposition.

That does put a lot of politicians off.


And I think there is a fine line between expressing the fact that your religious beliefs do not accept homosexual practices and stating that gays are a threat to marriage and society and must be combatted with legislation and with brute force if necessary.

But people like Bryan Fischer have long since crossed that line, although they are convinced that they are just gently reminding gays of God’s Will…

127 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:03:05pm

re: #126 Expand Your Ground


Bryan Fischer is being propped up by mainstream conservatives, he is not fringe, guys like him are essential to Republicans

basically, you have bomb throwers like Fischer who play to the useful cow-dumb republican religious base, who are quietly supported by mainstream republicans (tribalism, enemy of my enemy is my friend, etc) because without the base the republican machine doesn’t function

the current climate is much like the 80’s, but faster: the GOP needs hate-preachers to survive, but needs the content to come fast and furious, the internet is a bigger pipe than cable TV or the 700 club


Ronald Reagan glad-handed these people to get us where we are, praise white Jesus!

128 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:06:04pm

re: #127 windupbird is in the gravity well

Ronald Reagan glad-handed these people to get us where we are, praise white Jesus!

But they never forgave Reagan for abandoning them once he got into office (and once Nancy’s house astrologer adviser her that the time was propitious to do so).

Which is why they have made a great effort to insinuate their people into the hightest levels of politics, government administration, media and education.

129 dragonath  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:23:08pm

I was reading about the French election, I had no idea that Sarkozy was making an issue about Halal meat.

Le Sigh.

130 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:27:22pm

re: #129 Beware the Green Dragon!

I was reading about the French election, I had no idea that Sarkozy was making an issue about Halal meat.

Le Sigh.

Well, with Le Pen le surging sarkozy had to go le extreme.

Le Sigh, indeed.

131 freetoken  Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:43:20pm

I knew the Jesus industry was big, but even I was surprised when I browsed the online Library catolog of the Link+ system (an association of libraries) for “Jesus Christ - historicity” and discovered they had 656 entries available:

[Link: csul.iii.com…]

132 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 12:28:13am

re: #131 freetoken

I was a teenager when all the Jesus freaks and born-agains were active. I also had a very good history teacher who taught us about the modern historical method and the importance of relying on original sources.

So while i was rading the gospels, I also went out and found a historical work on jesus, one which corrupted my world view and has left me a non-believing Christian (one who affirms the importance of Christ’s message but does not believe in his resurrection or that he is the Son of God) ever since

[Link: www.amazon.de…]

133 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 12:56:31am

re: #132 Expand Your Ground

Marcello Craveri (born 1914) was an Italian biblical scholar. Born in Turin, he earned his doctorate in 1940 and then saw military service.

His most widely read work probably is The Life of Jesus published in 1966, and in paperback English translation in 1967. On the biblical evidence, and the then-available evidence from the Dead Sea Scrolls, Craveri concluded that the claims to divinity made by the historical Jesus were strictly limited and not unusual for a Jew of that generation. Much of the stronger claims, and the emphasis on the redeeming power of Christ’s death on the Cross, could be seen as reworkings by St. Paul, who was probably influenced strongly by the Graeco-Roman traditions.

That’s pretty much the standard academic line today, I think, except for the postmodernists.

134 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 1:10:28am

re: #133 freetoken

That’s pretty much the standard academic line today, I think, except for the postmodernists.

It was a mind-blowing concept for a teenager in the early 70’s who had been raised on Catholicism…

135 researchok  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 1:23:47am

Morning, all

136 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 1:45:43am

A beautiful little piece by the little known (at least here in the US) Anatoly Lyadov:

MP3 Audio
137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 2:38:49am

re: #131 freetoken

Freetoken, are you here?

138 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 2:55:01am

re: #137 Sergey Romanov

Freetoken, are you here?

Well… briefly in these wee hours of the morning.

Any particular reason?

I have noticed that on the Amazon page for Ehrman’s latest book that the comments are multiplying and going into all sorts of tangents. If anything, this latest foray by Ehrman to broadside the mythicists is stirring up interest (and animosity) in this area.

Thinking about doing a Page on it, but the topic is so exhaustive I don’t think it would be a very good read, because of the need to provide all the background information. You probably noticed that upstream I dinged Ehrman’s promo video.

All of this leads into one of my contentions about what is going on in the US - that we as a society are in a period of de-Christianizing our own national myths and this is causing great angst among the remnant believers, who still make up the majority of the over-middle-aged crowd.

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 2:57:45am

re: #138 freetoken

Yesterday you said the debates were intense on Carrier’s response - any particular places beyond Carrier and McGrath?

I acquired Ehrman’s book and will be reading it after Forged.

140 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:03:22am

re: #139 Sergey Romanov

Carrier and McGrath’s blogs seem to be a central nexuses (nexus/nexi ?), but Ehrman has his own blog now (complete with paywall), and Coyne weighed in:
[Link: whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com…]
but the Coyne crowd includes many who aren’t so sophisticated in this area.

The Amazon comments are what they are.

Also on FTB, the comments on Hallquist’s columns I don’t find to be more helpful than what is on Carrier’s.

141 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:15:48am

re: #139 Sergey Romanov

You might also be interested in the interview Ehrman did with David Crumm, a self described “mainstream Protestant”, just published:

David Crumm Interviews Bart Ehrman on “Did Jesus Exist?”

I really don’t appreciate the way Ehrman is representing this discussion. He’s sounding more and more like someone with an air of authoritarianism, sort of like he would have had when he was a self-described “Evangelical”.

142 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:18:10am

re: #141 freetoken

Ironically, it’s not towards the religious that he’s now being preachy.

It’s really a shame. His earlier work on biblical authorship is pretty straightforward.

Motive is, of course, nearly impossible to determine, but in some ways this all seems mighty kayfabe.

143 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:21:13am

re: #142 Obdicut

Kayfabe - great term.

The old Vince McMahon (father of the current one) would market this as Bart the Butcher vs. Richard the Lion-hearted.

144 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:37:26am

BTW, I notice that the CNN online story about Ehrman’s book is up to, get this, 8,523 comments.

Paydirt.

[Link: religion.blogs.cnn.com…]

145 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:41:39am

re: #141 freetoken

Thanks. Every individual in this debate is rather flawed. Well, as usual. The key is to read them all. This is perhaps the difference from evolution/creationism debate - you’re unlikely to get any useful insights from a creationist (unless it’s Todd Wood), while you sure can from someone defending a marginal historical hypothesis if they’re experts.

146 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:43:55am

re: #145 Lukewarm Fusion

From my severely inexpert position, it still seemed pretty clear when Carrier’s charges had a lot of substance to them, and where he was going in circles and fudging his own stuff— e.g. the ‘brothers of the lord’ bit.

147 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:50:59am

And one strikingly weird thing: for someone who’s positing Bayesian analysis as the dominant method for historical scholarship, Carrier doesn’t seem really comfortable with math.

148 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:51:09am

re: #146 Obdicut

Sure. That was somewhat weird, “overapplication” of pure formal logic to the situation where some common sense is needed. Sure, he has shown that this place does not necessarily mean a relative, but it’s still more probable that it means a relative.

Although his point about possible interpolation is still a valid one. The burden of proof is still on him, but the ease with which such interpolations were made does leave the state of evidence in a shaky state. That’s why I’d formulate my position as “historicity of Jesus is proved by preponderance of evidence, but not beyond the reasonable doubt”.

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:52:14am

re: #147 Obdicut

Why do you think so?

150 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:55:24am

re: #149 Lukewarm Fusion

Did you read the thread I posted the other day? In one case, he just made a basic math error, which is obviously excusable because everyone does it, but in the case of the brother’s names probability thingy he started talking about Bayesian analysis— but that’s a problem that’s totally unrelated to Bayesian analysis. It’s just standard probability stuff. And he got confused doing that, as well, and admitted it, though he said the person he was talking to was also confused.

151 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:55:29am

re: #145 Lukewarm Fusion

This is much worse than debating creationists. The problem here is that “history” is not strictly a science and totally amenable to the scientific method. “History”, even if there is a subset of it labeled “historical science” (or some synonym), encompasses as a discipline something much more vague.

I suppose someone who is truly avant garde would dismiss the very concept of “history” and thus see this Carrier-Ehrman debate as meaningless.

Yet one thing is true, and that is the non-fundamentalist religion crowd appears to be appreciating Ehrman sticking up for the idea of an actual, literal, walking and breathing Jesus of Nazareth/Judea, even if such a person was a flawed, and wrong, apocalyptic preacher of the day.

I appreciate the desire to keep history as a concept, and that figures presumed to be historical ought not be mythologized away.

The trouble I have with many mythicists is that they really seem to have a problem with the continuity of religious thought in Palestine of that day. It seems hard for some of them to accept that the very earliest forms of Christianity sprung from the field of apocalyptic (and perhaps ascetic) Judaism.

One just has to compare the first six chapters of the Didache with parts of the Manual of the Discipline to see a religious connection, even though the two are separated by around 200 years, and the former considered core primitive Christianity and the latter ascetic Judaism.

152 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:56:50am

re: #150 Obdicut

I don’t remember about the basic math problem… probably missed it.

153 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:58:08am

re: #147 Obdicut

And one strikingly weird thing: for someone who’s positing Bayesian analysis as the dominant method for historical scholarship, Carrier doesn’t seem really comfortable with math.

Is Carrier even aware that Bayes Theorem itself has at times been swirled in controversy (at least the type of controversy that arises when one tries to deal with mathematics)?

154 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:58:24am

re: #152 Lukewarm Fusion

Well, it’s not important. The thinking that a standard probability problem was Bayesian is weirder, especially from a dude who’s all about the Bayesian.

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:58:49am

re: #150 Obdicut

Ah, now I remember reading something about a mistake in his formula. It was in that mini-scuffle with Mueller et al.

156 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 3:59:39am

re: #153 freetoken

Is Carrier even aware that Bayes Theorem itself has at times been swirled in controversy (at least the type of controversy that arises when one tries to deal with mathematics)?

I dunno. I don’t know if he identifies as a subjectivist or an objectivist (note: special meaning for Bayesian, not related to Rand). The one time I saw him use it, it really seemed like he arbitrarily decided the probability of one of the inputs.

157 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:04:51am

Then again, as I mentioned yesterday, on my first skimming of the Jesus book I caught this basic mistake about Jesus not being named by his name in the Gemara. Kind of weird coming from such a scholar as Ehrman, who certainly should know better. For me that’s worse that Carrier’s math errors.

158 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:06:45am

re: #156 Obdicut

… The one time I saw him use it, it really seemed like he arbitrarily decided the probability of one of the inputs.

This is the core problem Carrier will have: Bayes Theorem doesn’t help in defining the actual a priori “probability” of any physical phenomenon in the universe. Bayes Theorem tells us how probabilities relate, quantitatively, but it can’t help us decide reality.

I fear that Carrier is trying to apply Bayes Theorem to what is essentially an infinitely digressing loop of philosophical problems. The best he can do is define the problem but until one can figure out how to measure the probabilities in real life it becomes nothing but a paper exercise in defining priors.

159 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:08:38am

I see you’re all speaking in weird tongues.

160 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:09:07am

re: #159 Varek Raith

Glossolalia never really went out of style.

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:11:48am

I don’t have a dog in this particular fight. The historical interest in early Christianity is of course legitimate and I have read a book or two regarding this area simply out of curiousity.

Stepping back and in the larger scope of things, does this really change much?

Stronger scholarship seems to break both ways - more towards proving Jesus as an actual historical figure (which, however, will still not prove the divinity that is all-important to many). And not proving he is historical probably does not shake faith in this divinity either.

OTOH, this same scholarship also leads into further evidence that early Christianity is basically a splinter cult from a whole spectrum of Judaism cults that existed at that time. So Christianity does not spring up as an exception to a monolithic train of thought - it’s simply a survivor out of an evolutionary “bush” of religious and spiritual thought. Furthermore, doesn’t the same scholarship also generally show the works declared canon to be cherrypicked in order to serve the needs and desires of those those formulating the early church and eventual hierarchies? In other words, even early on things were being chosen in order to build control structures, not simply to espouse a philosophy of behavior.

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:16:31am

re: #157 Lukewarm Fusion

Then again, as I mentioned yesterday, on my first skimming of the Jesus book I caught this basic mistake about Jesus not being named by his name in the Gemara. Kind of weird coming from such a scholar as Ehrman, who certainly should know better. For me that’s worse that Carrier’s math errors.

I just checked through google books and this passage actually travels through his books at least since 2005. Which is kind of embarrassing.

163 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:19:47am

re: #161 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Yeah, that’s my feeling on it. To me, the possibilities are either:

There was an actual dude named Jesus who walked around in some of the places attributed to him and said some things maybe related to some of the things he was reported to, but most of what he did and said is mythologized, or

There wasn’t, and it’s all mythologized.

I don’t see any real definite distinctions between the two. To me, it’s similar but inferior to the question of whether Homer actually existed, and, if he existed, was actually an author or just a codifier.

164 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:20:46am

re: #161 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

And again, Ehrman’s early work on exactly what you’re talking about— the picking of the stories, the determination of canon, interpolation and the like— is solid, mainstream stuff.

165 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:22:20am

re: #163 Obdicut

What would you say about Muhammad then, in light of there being early non-Muslims sources mentioning him (although these sources are disputed by some), but the whole mass of hadiths being quite unsatisfactory evidence when it comes to details of his life?

166 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:23:10am

re: #164 Obdicut

And again, Ehrman’s early work on exactly what you’re talking about— the picking of the stories, the determination of canon, interpolation and the like— is solid, mainstream stuff.

As is quite enthusiastically admitted even by Carrier.

167 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:26:45am

Uh oh.

[Link: www.hurriyetdailynews.com…]

Turkey has blocked the participation of Israel in a key NATO summit that will take place in Chicago on May 20 and 21, despite calls from influential allies including the United States, Western diplomatic have sources told the Hürriyet Daily News. The veto was conveyed to the NATO bodies by Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu during the Alliance’s meeting last week in Brussels.

“There will be no Israeli presence at the NATO meeting unless they issue a formal apology and pay compensation for the Turkish citizens their commandos killed in international waters” a senior Turkish official told the Daily News.

168 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:29:37am

re: #165 Lukewarm Fusion

I’d say similar stuff, though, since it’s closer in time and we have more sources— and because Muhammed interacted in a more ‘worldly’ fashion— there’s a lot more evidence about Muhammed’s actual existence. But there’s immense amounts of mythologizing as well, both at the time and post facto.

Hell, the same problem, in much lesser form, even exists with Joseph Smith. We know, of course, that he existed, and we know some facts about him, but the most interesting stuff— the stuff about his actual creation of the religion— is the most obscured. The people who signed the testament to having seen the golden plates, hefted them, etc— what bearing should that have? Does it indicate that Smith created some sort of artifact to fool them, or what?

169 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:34:04am

re: #168 Obdicut

magic spectacles…

170 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:41:07am

re: #168 Obdicut

That’s why I’m so interested in Mormonism, it many ways it provides a model of how to start a successful religion with miraculous claims. E.g. there are early descriptions of rather ordinary events that decades later evolve into claims of miracles supported by witnesses (e.g. Brigham Young’s transfiguration into Joseph Smith). And the best part is that it’s documented all the way.

In regard to the plates it doesn’t seem that there was any specific artifact, beyond whatever Smith might have hidden under a piece of cloth, which could have been anything. Holy lies + “religious experiences” (“visions”) seem to account for the “witnesses”.

171 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:42:52am

re: #170 Lukewarm Fusion

Don’t forget Scientology. All documented in L. Ron Hubbard’s novels…

172 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:43:21am

re: #167 Lukewarm Fusion

If you want a real challenge, check out Western academics investigating Australian Aboriginal religious beliefs. Dealing with people who view time as non-linear, reality as mutable according to belief, and for whom any character or being, including divine ones, must change over time is entertainingly problematic. Compound that with the fact that some of their myths seem to correspond to real-world ancient events and conditions— or that there’s just such a preponderance of myths that it’s coincidence— and you really have a fun time.

173 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:43:57am

re: #171 Expand Your Ground

Don’t forget Scientology. All documented in L. Ron Hubbard’s novels…

Not sure his novels are directly tied to his teachings…

174 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:47:11am

Here it is (pdf): The Making of a Mormon Myth: The 1844 Transfiguration of Brigham Young

And that’s already recent times, so for miraculous claims about Jesus or Muhammad to spring up didn’t require much of anything.

175 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:49:13am

re: #173 Lukewarm Fusion

Not sure his novels are directly tied to his teachings…

If you are a true Scientologist, then they are as good as gospel.

was just reading this article from an old New Yorker about how the line between history and fiction was a lot more blurred than it is today

Just The Facts, Ma’am

176 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:49:57am

Super ironic comment at freerepublic about this myth: “Adults believe this stuff????”

177 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:54:29am

re: #170 Lukewarm Fusion

Without the very real persecution I doubt that Mormonism would have been forged into as solid a movement that it became. Martyrdom definitely reinforces beliefs.

178 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:55:30am

re: #176 Lukewarm Fusion

There’s an episode of Spurlock’s 30 days where an evangelical Christian lives with a Muslim family for 30 days. It’s tense, fraught, depressing, and uplifting. The first Imam that he talks to is a real fucking jackass, who basically ridicules him for believing in a ‘dead god’— Jesus being dead and resurrected. To his credit, the Christian doesn’t rise to the bait and just looks angry. Later, he meets a much more catholic (heh) imam who he becomes good friends with.

I recommend watching it.

179 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:56:34am

re: #177 freetoken

Without the very real persecution I doubt that Mormonism would have been forged into as solid a movement that it became. Martyrdom definitely reinforces beliefs.

Same can be said for early Christianity as well, at least in its spread throughout Europe.

180 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:56:44am

re: #177 freetoken

Failure also produces strong religions, for some reason. See the Millterites.

181 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:57:53am

re: #180 Obdicut

Low expectations?/

182 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:57:55am

re: #180 Obdicut

Failure also produces strong religions, for some reason. See the Millterites.

I believe there was a lot of infighting between the “tastes great” and “less filling factions” as well…

183 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:26:47am

re: #182 Expand Your Ground

Y U KILLED THREAD?

184 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:28:43am

re: #183 Lukewarm Fusion

Everyone went out to get some macrobrews.

185 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:30:26am

I forgot my thermos of coffee this morning. Had to go downstairs to the coffee shop.

186 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:31:01am

re: #185 Learned Mother of Zion

How’s work?

187 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:41:21am

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188 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:44:33am

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189 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:45:23am

Morning Lizardim from the mild and mostly sunny wild north country. This week commences my campaign of mass herbicide, as I work to take back my yard from the dandelions that have totally taken over since the beginning of my tenure as lord of the land. I’ll probably wind up having to re-seed at least part of it, but we’ll see how things turn out as the summer progresses.

190 iossarian  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:47:56am

re: #189 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the mild and mostly sunny wild north country. This week commences my campaign of mass herbicide, as I work to take back my yard from the dandelions that have totally taken over since the beginning of my tenure as lord of the land. I’ll probably wind up having to re-seed at least part of it, but we’ll see how things turn out as the summer progresses.

You cannot defeat the Great Lord Dandelion. But good luck trying.

Interesting trivia point: the French call dandelions “pissenlits” - lit. “piss in the bed”.

191 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:48:47am

re: #190 iossarian

You cannot defeat the Great Lord Dandelion. But good luck trying.

Interesting trivia point: the French call dandelions “pissenlits” - lit. “piss in the bed”.

Well, probably not during this year’s growth cycle. But I know his weakness now, and when the fall comes, I will be ready. He will not live to see another spring. *insert evil laughter*

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:57:47am

re: #164 Obdicut

And again, Ehrman’s early work on exactly what you’re talking about— the picking of the stories, the determination of canon, interpolation and the like— is solid, mainstream stuff.

It might well be that what I’ve ready is one of his early works.

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:04:42am

re: #189 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the mild and mostly sunny wild north country. This week commences my campaign of mass herbicide, as I work to take back my yard from the dandelions that have totally taken over since the beginning of my tenure as lord of the land. I’ll probably wind up having to re-seed at least part of it, but we’ll see how things turn out as the summer progresses.

Lots of salad…

My mother *weeded* the yard of dandelions by hand for years. Years. I think it was a combination of neurosis and personal exercise program.

I had a neighbor who hebicided his yard for everything, and then yapped at me for not treating/killing my dandelion crop. So I mowed for his benefit later that day*. And I’m not sure what (if anything) he said to any other neighbor within 50 yards who had dandelions blooming as well.

*- I knew fully well that mowing wasn’t going to affect things. You chop off the blooming or recently pollinated flower and it will go to seed anyways.

194 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:06:03am

re: #186 Lukewarm Fusion

How’s work?

Still learning the processes around here.

195 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:07:44am

Hey all!

I really want to state the obvious. Of course, RW pundits are going to start changing their tune. Like MItt, as soon as it it clear he has the nomination and they now have to compete for votes with Obama they will start pandering to the moderates.

They have the Extreme Right Wing Whacko vote.

How is everyone?

196 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:07:54am

re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Lots of salad…

My mother *weeded* the yard of dandelions by hand for years. Years. I think it was a combination of neurosis and personal exercise program.

I had a neighbor who hebicided his yard for everything, and then yapped at me for not treating/killing my dandelion crop. So I mowed for his benefit later that day*. And I’m not sure what (if anything) he said to any other neighbor within 50 yards who had dandelions blooming as well.

*- I knew fully well that mowing wasn’t going to affect things. You chop off the blooming or recently pollinated flower and it will go to seed anyways.

My neighborhood, in general, is obsessive about their own yards, but thankfully, no one’s said a word to me about mine. It’s more of a personal preference thing, as I don’t like dandelions and my wife wants me to spray down the thistles that have taken root alongside the dandelions and other assorted broadleaf weeds. I did have a neighbor who would make a point of chewing me out if I let my yard get even a micron longer than what she liked. So, of course, I let it grow pretty much the entire summer. I think I mowed that yard maybe twice that year.

197 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:08:35am

re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Lots of salad…

My mother *weeded* the yard of dandelions by hand for years.

heh,,,I remember tagging along (okay,, being co-opted to go help) with my Italian grandmother to pick them in public parks, etc

The old joke was “How do you get the Italians to leave our town,, plant dandelions along the railroad tracks”

198 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:08:43am

re: #190 iossarian

You cannot defeat the Great Lord Dandelion. But good luck trying.

Interesting trivia point: the French call dandelions “pissenlits” - lit. “piss in the bed”.

ROUND-UP!

199 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:09:25am

re: #197 sattv4u2


Lots of salad…

My mother *weeded* the yard of dandelions by hand for years.

heh,,,I remember tagging along (okay,, being co-opted to go help) with my Italian grandmother to pick them in public parks, etc

The old joke was “How do you get the Italians to leave our town,, plant dandelions along the railroad tracks”

My Dad used to weed by hand with a martini in the other hand.

heh

200 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:09:39am

re: #195 ggt

The wacko contingent is so radicalized they will be freaking out over every moderate compromise. Mitt is risking…

201 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:09:51am

re: #199 ggt

My Dad used to weed by hand with a martini in hand.

heh

Your dad was Dean Martin!?!?

202 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:09:54am

re: #198 ggt

ROUND-UP!

Heh, I’ve seen people actually use Round-Up in their yards. I know because, in addition to there being no weeds, there are also circular patches of dead grass.

203 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:10:05am

Necessary Daily Cuteness!

204 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:10:55am

re: #202 thedopefishlives

Heh, I’ve seen people actually use Round-Up in their yards. I know because, in addition to there being no weeds, there are also circular patches of dead grass.

Hey, don’t knock it, it works.

There is a technique —use too much and you get that circular dead patch for about 3 years.

205 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:12:24am

re: #204 ggt

Hey, don’t knock it, it works.

There is a technique —use to much and you get that circular dead patch for about 3 years.

I decided to go with Weed-B-Gon and play it safe. That way, I could just spray the whole yard indiscriminately and it actually goes quicker than running around trying to spot-treat everything. I do have a bottle of Round-Up that I use for areas like the cracks in the driveway, under the porch, etc.

206 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:13:11am

As much as we complain!

150 Million Adults Worldwide Would Migrate to the U.S.
Potential migrants most likely to be Chinese, Nigerian, and Indian
by Jon Clifton
WASHINGTON, D.C. — About 13% of the world’s adults — or more than 640 million people — say they would like to leave their country permanently. Roughly 150 million of them say they would like to move to the U.S. — giving it the undisputed title as the world’s most desired destination for potential migrants since Gallup started tracking these patterns in 2007.

207 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:13:41am

re: #205 thedopefishlives

I decided to go with Weed-B-Gon and play it safe. That way, I could just spray the whole yard indiscriminately and it actually goes quicker than running around trying to spot-treat everything. I do have a bottle of Round-Up that I use for areas like the cracks in the driveway, under the porch, etc.

a drop at the base is all you need!

Kills Dandelions Dead!

208 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:15:01am

Jon Huntsman Trashes GOP, Expresses Campaign Regrets

209 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:15:37am

re: #206 ggt

As much as we complain!

O_o

210 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:16:18am

re: #208 Varek Raith

Jon Huntsman Trashes GOP, Expresses Campaign Regrets

Wow. My estimation of Huntsman just went way up.

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:16:21am

re: #196 thedopefishlives

My neighborhood, in general, is obsessive about their own yards, but thankfully, no one’s said a word to me about mine. It’s more of a personal preference thing, as I don’t like dandelions and my wife wants me to spray down the thistles that have taken root alongside the dandelions and other assorted broadleaf weeds. I did have a neighbor who would make a point of chewing me out if I let my yard get even a micron longer than what she liked. So, of course, I let it grow pretty much the entire summer. I think I mowed that yard maybe twice that year.

Mowing wasn’t really the big issue. I had rocky/clay soil that didn’t grow much well. Early spring was wild onion in the front and violets in the shade in the back. Followed by the dandelions all over. And then the plantain and a few other broadleaf weeds. The grass just sort of filled in a straggly way. It took about 30 minutes or less to mow due to the fairly small size of the yard.

I drove the neighbors nuts by not trimming my privet hedges often enough. And then every 3-4 years I cut them down to about 6” tall. Which was ugly and disturbed them*, without them understanding that it’s the only way to bring an overgrown hedge back under control. Plus it’s good for the hedge as a way to get at and take out really old growth.

Since I lived downhill from the street and half the neighbors the hedge was a needed privacy thing. Though I was working towards altering things by the time I moved. (Daylily in 2-3 places and growing morning glories up the side of the house on a wire mesh every year to shade a south facing brick wall. The latter seeded all over the place, including the yard.)

*- It also looked like I had surrounded my yard with punji stakes.

212 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:16:37am

re: #202 thedopefishlives

Don’t know where you live or how much “yard” you’re talking about, but when I 1st moved here I used to do it myself (the spraying/ spreading at various times of the year ,,,, pre emergence ,,,post emergence,,,nutrients ,,,, fertilizers ,,, pesticides)

Between the front of the house and the back yard, I have a bout an acre that needs to be treated. For the cost/ time I now have a service come in 5 times a year at $60 a pop. When I added up all the money I spent on all the different over the counter stuff I bought, the $60 is a bargain

213 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:16:40am

I counted.

I’ve been gone 17 days and nights this month. 6 airports, 8 hotel rooms.

My back hurts, I have dog hair dust bunnies in every corner of the house, the dogs are very confused and the cat is not happy.

Between hormones and time-zone changes, I feel like I’m living a Sci-Fi Novel.

214 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:17:15am

re: #210 thedopefishlives

Wow. My estimation of Huntsman just went way up.

I always thought he was on the wrong team.

Can we have Dr. Rice, Powell and Huntsman form a new party?

215 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:17:46am

re: #213 ggt

I counted.

I’ve been gone 17 days and nights this month. 6 airports, 8 hotel rooms.

My back hurts, I have dog hair dust bunnies in every corner of the house, the dogs are very confused and the cat is not happy.

Between hormones and time-zone changes, I feel like I’m living a Sci-Fi Novel.

Where did ya go?

216 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:17:57am

*cough cough*

217 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:18:16am

re: #216 Lukewarm Fusion

*cough cough*

Have you seen a doctor about that cough?

218 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:18:26am

re: #212 sattv4u2

Don’t know where you live or how much “yard” you’re talking about, but when I 1st moved here I used to do it myself (the spraying/ spreading at various times of the year ,,, pre emergence ,,,post emergence,,,nutrients ,,, fertilizers ,,, pesticides)

Between the front of the house and the back yard, I have a bout an acre that needs to be treated. For the cost/ time I now have a service come in 5 times a year at $60 a pop. When I added up all the money I spent on all the different over the counter stuff I bought, the $60 is a bargain

I’m contemplating it. My front yard isn’t that bad; it took me about an hour to treat 2500 sq. ft., and that was the largest portion of the front yard, so I could probably keep up with that with little trouble. The back yard, on the other hand, is an overgrown wilderness that I don’t even know if it’s worth taming.

219 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:18:50am

re: #213 ggt

I counted.

I’ve been gone 17 days and nights this month. 6 airports, 8 hotel rooms.

My back hurts, I have dog hair dust bunnies in every corner of the house, the dogs are very confused and the cat is not happy.

Between hormones and time-zone changes, I feel like I’m living a Sci-Fi Novel.

Maybe you’re just tired from all the counting!!!

220 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:18:52am

The ICC hearing will begin shortly.

*cough*

221 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:19:14am

re: #212 sattv4u2

Don’t know where you live or how much “yard” you’re talking about, but when I 1st moved here I used to do it myself (the spraying/ spreading at various times of the year ,,, pre emergence ,,,post emergence,,,nutrients ,,, fertilizers ,,, pesticides)

Between the front of the house and the back yard, I have a bout an acre that needs to be treated. For the cost/ time I now have a service come in 5 times a year at $60 a pop. When I added up all the money I spent on all the different over the counter stuff I bought, the $60 is a bargain

My Dad started doing that when he was about 50. Just got tired of doing the work himself.

An added benefit was that the dog we had at the time learned our property lines by the change in “smell” between ours treated and the neighbors on all sides non-treaded and never crossed the property line. She also never let another animal cross it either!

222 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:19:51am

re: #218 thedopefishlives

I’m contemplating it. My front yard isn’t that bad; it took me about an hour to treat 2500 sq. ft., and that was the largest portion of the front yard, so I could probably keep up with that with little trouble. The back yard, on the other hand, is an overgrown wilderness that I don’t even know if it’s worth taming.

Mow it and see if a service will give you a free estimate. Most here do

223 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:19:59am

re: #215 Varek Raith

Where did ya go?

St Louis, Hawaii, Lexington, Nashville.

224 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:20:21am
225 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:20:35am

re: #223 ggt

St Louis, Hawaii, Lexington, Nashville.

One of these things is not like the other.
:)

226 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:21:09am

re: #211 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Well, at my previous residence, the neighbor in question was a cranky old lady who had a thing against men. She objected to the soon-to-be Mrs. Fish coming over at all odd hours of the night, she objected to the fact that I “drove too fast” through the neighborhood, she objected to the way I maintained the yard, she basically objected to my entire existence in that house. It was a happy day when I bought my new place and we moved out for good.

227 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:21:18am

My Dear Ole’ Dad also didn’t pay the bill for lawn treatment until the next Spring. He wanted to make sure the lawn would come back and there would be no weeds.

Pissed-them-off, but they kept doing it year after year.

228 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:21:56am

re: #210 thedopefishlives

I really appreciate what he’s saying, but when the chips were down, he didn’t say a lot of what he could, during the primaries. I know he’s saying he regrets that, but this seems a consistent pattern from a lot of people in the GOP: after you’re out of power or your bid fails, then you say “I was never comfortable with this/I think we’re heading in the wrong direction.”

What is needed is for people who are current and active in the GOP to say that. Otherwise, it can be dismissed as what the people who fail say.

229 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:22:07am

re: #222 sattv4u2

Mow it and see if a service will give you a free estimate. Most here do

I keep it mowed. I’m still thinking about whether I want to bring in a service. Most of the people in the neighborhood use one. I just don’t know if it’s worth that much to me.

230 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:22:07am

re: #225 Varek Raith

One of these things is not like the other.
:)

St Louis has a NL baseball team?

231 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:22:09am

re: #225 Varek Raith

One of these things is not like the other.
:)

Yes, we were in Hawaii on Zombie Jesus Day.

My kid told me what day it was and I immediately thought of you!

:)

232 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:22:52am

re: #228 Obdicut

I really appreciate what he’s saying, but when the chips were down, he didn’t say a lot of what he could, during the primaries. I know he’s saying he regrets that, but this seems a consistent pattern from a lot of people in the GOP: after you’re out of power or your bid fails, then you say “I was never comfortable with this/I think we’re heading in the wrong direction.”

What is needed is for people who are current and active in the GOP to say that. Otherwise, it can be dismissed as what the people who fail say.

The point is well taken.

233 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:24:21am

Ah well

Day off, and i’m out of coffee

1st stop,, QT for a large one

2nd stop,, Publix for a 1/2 pound of beans

234 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:25:00am

re: #210 thedopefishlives

Wow. My estimation of Huntsman just went way up.

He’ll be a blue dog the next time he’s elected to anything.

235 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:26:01am

Romneybot 6000 is currently doing the analysis of how far the flip-flop gate can shift the other way before the nut vote opts to just skip the whole process instead of choosing him anyway as the lesser of two evils.

I expect the GOP Central Committee and the state equivalents are going to work now on having sufficient side issues and referendums involving litmus test and “red meat” so that the nut vote will come out and then vote Romney anyways since they are already there in the booth and he is the GOP candidate.

236 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:27:02am

My opinion about Huntsman tumbled when he tried to exploit the racist pseudo-Paul anti-Huntsman clip.

237 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:28:19am

re: #232 thedopefishlives

The point is well taken.

A lot of by the wayside howling by Republican former candidates and officials about how the course is wrong. But yells of that sort from steerage or those already tossed overboard are not going to have much effect.

238 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:29:04am

needs a caption!

239 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:29:33am

re: #238 ggt

needs a caption!

“Waldo is here.”

240 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:29:34am

re: #238 ggt

needs a caption!

Dobby.

241 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:29:39am

I was probably working out at the Y while Huntsman was speaking there.

242 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:31:25am

re: #241 Obdicut

I was probably working out at the Y while Huntsman was speaking there.

I wish we had a good Y. When I was in Ohio, we joined and it was great! The one here is not so good.

243 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:33:10am

re: #238 ggt

needs a caption!

“You know the cat was in on it too!”

244 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:33:17am

re: #242 ggt

The 92 street Y is pretty freaking incredible, in terms of the speakers they have. and the gym is really nice; a good mix of old and young, and an actual boxing room, which is very, very rare.

245 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:33:23am

re: #238 ggt

needs a caption!

“Did you know that this table isn’t level?”

246 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:34:11am

re: #238 ggt

needs a caption!

Soon.

247 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:35:03am

re: #238 ggt

needs a caption!

“If… if you’re a thief… go away! I bite! Honest!”

248 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:35:32am

Ok, how do you unfriend someone on facebook?

249 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:35:50am

re: #238 ggt

needs a caption!

“Fido is watching you masturbate.”

250 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:37:09am

re: #248 ggt

Ok, how do you unfriend someone on facebook?

You post “I break with thee… I break with thee.. I break with thee..” and then throw dog-poop on their Wall.
;)

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:37:53am

re: #248 ggt

Ok, how do you unfriend someone on facebook?

Be an annoying jerk //

252 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:39:40am

SERIOUSLY! I need techie help. What menu do I pull down to find “unfriend”?

253 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:41:21am

Hooray for Huntsman! Looks like more Republicans are doing some soul searching and willing to speak up. I think it’s too late for this election cycle but I hope they return to being a serious political party soon. I think it’ll happen.

254 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:41:29am

re: #252 ggt

SERIOUSLY! I need techie help. What menu do I pull down to find “unfriend”?

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

255 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:41:54am

[Snicker]

256 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:41:57am

re: #248 ggt

Ok, how do you unfriend someone on facebook?

Image: animal-memes-022.jpg

257 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:41:59am

re: #252 ggt

SERIOUSLY! I need techie help. What menu do I pull down to find “unfriend”?

Sorry, I’m no help. Never used facebook.

258 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:42:49am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Hooray for Huntsman! Looks like more Republicans are doing some soul searching and willing to speak up. I think it’s too late for this election cycle but I hope they return to being a serious political party soon. I think it’ll happen.

Then why is he talking third party and being slammed? I don’t think he will remain in GOP for long.

259 Political Atheist  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:43:10am

re: #252 ggt

Click on the annoying persons profile pic, then click the friends tab. Unfriend is at the bottom.

260 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:43:11am

re: #252 ggt

SERIOUSLY! I need techie help. What menu do I pull down to find “unfriend”?

Hover over the person’s name, there should be a button in the bottom-right corner of the popup that tells you what group they’re in - for most people, that’ll probably say “Friends”. You click on that button, it’ll show you a list of options, at the bottom is “Unfriend”.

261 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:45:34am

re: #256 Varek Raith

Image: animal-memes-022.jpg

So Varek, I presume Sith do not “unfriend”. Do they just send a condolence card to the funeral?

262 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:47:41am

1. “Reasonable” Huntsman the least popular primary candidate who got less voices that Paul or Santorum.

2. ???

3. Hooray! The GOP will soon be sane again!

263 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:48:17am

re: #254 Gus

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

You are Awesome!

264 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:48:20am

re: #262 Lukewarm Fusion

1. “Reasonable” Huntsman the least popular primary candidate who got less voices that Paul or Santorum.

2. ???

3. Hooray! The GOP will soon be sane again!

Let’s not jump to conclusions OK?

//

265 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:49:21am

re: #264 Gus

Let’s not jump to conclusions OK?

//

Let’s, and say we did not.

266 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:50:04am

re: #265 Lukewarm Fusion

Let’s, and say we did not.

So what you’re really saying is that this changes nothing? Ahhhh. Good point.

//

267 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:50:14am

re: #262 Lukewarm Fusion

1. “Reasonable” Huntsman the least popular primary candidate who got less voices that Paul or Santorum.

2. ???

3. Hooray! The GOP will soon be sane again!

It’s pretty standard.

268 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:50:21am

Srsly, I unfriended a flounced Lizard who was stalking me on FB, then got a load of emails “Why did you unfriend me? WAHHH!” then blocked the emails. I don’t think this person was savvy enough to join the stalkers, but maybe I’m wrong. Those assholes got a bunch of targeted spam sent to my email.

269 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:50:23am

Visited the Hermitage in Nashville.

Beautiful House, grounds. But the contrast between the house and the slave cabin was too sobering.

270 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:50:57am

re: #264 Gus

Let’s not jump to conclusions OK?

//

jumping can be fun.

271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:52:14am

re: #268 Learned Mother of Zion

Srsly, I unfriended a flounced Lizard who was stalking me on FB, then got a load of emails “Why did you unfriend me? WAHHH!” then blocked the emails. I don’t think this person was savvy enough to join the stalkers, but maybe I’m wrong. Those assholes got a bunch of targeted spam sent to my email.

LGF is sooo irrelevant that they must stalk every member.

272 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:53:26am

re: #271 Lukewarm Fusion

LGF is sooo irrelevant that they must stalk every member.

I’ve never been stalked.

Should I feel left out?

273 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:53:46am

re: #258 Lukewarm Fusion

Then why is he talking third party and being slammed? I don’t think he will remain in GOP for long.

Maybe not. But he’s bold enough to speak up, which more Republicans seem to be doing these days. After the next elections the party is going to have to make adjustments.

274 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:53:59am

re: #272 ggt

Maybe you just have competent stalkers.

275 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:54:49am

re: #273 Killgore Trout

Maybe not. But he’s bold enough to speak up, which more Republicans seem to be doing these days. After the next elections the party is going to have to make adjustments.

They’ll double down on the Wackiness. As they will conclude they weren’t extreme enough.

276 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:55:15am

re: #273 Killgore Trout

More and more Republicans who are leaving office, or who failed their primary bids, are speaking out.

Can you name a prominent Republican who doesn’t fit into those categories who is speaking out? The closest I can think of is Rubio, and his own speaking out is a very muffled, muted one mostly related to appearance rather than policy.

277 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:56:10am

re: #272 ggt

I’ve never been stalked.

Should I feel left out?

You just didn’t notice. E.g. they have a whole thread on their blog about your comment asking about all the strays that are killed in the US and mulling over the possibility of exporting them.

278 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:56:55am

re: #277 Lukewarm Fusion

That’s so weird. So very, very weird.

279 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:57:12am

re: #277 Lukewarm Fusion

You just didn’t notice. E.g. they have a whole thread on their blog about your comment asking about all the strays that are killed in the US and mulling over the possibility of exporting them.

LOL! I don’t go over to those sites.

You’ll just have to tell me about it.

:0

280 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:57:18am

re: #272 ggt

I’ve never been stalked.

Should I feel left out?

It’s okay, I don’t have a stalker either. Or if I do, my activities are so mundane that they’ve probably bored themselves to death by now.

281 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:57:40am

re: #273 Killgore Trout

Maybe not. But he’s bold enough to speak up, which more Republicans seem to be doing these days. After the next elections the party is going to have to make adjustments.

If Obama wins, which is far from certain. And even then the “we should be even more conservative now” voices are unlikely to go away.

282 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:57:53am

I’m not saying you brought it upon yourself but there was that time you promoted incest and sided with Stalin. Again, I’m not saying you brought it upon yourself…

Derp.

283 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:58:01am

re: #278 Obdicut

That’s so weird. So very, very weird.

Especially because As I Recall, I was thinking about the homeless and poor in this country. I bet there are a few recent immigrants who would buy dog meat.

284 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 6:59:16am

re: #279 ggt

LOL! I don’t go over to those sites.

You’ll just have to tell me about it.

:0

Eh, you’re better off not knowing. Most are pathological cases who will lie without flinching. It’s a creepy quality.

285 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:01:33am

Regarding Jumping.

When I was little, and my family travelled, we almost always stayed at Holiday Inns. We got the standard room with two double/full beds.

I thought it was great fun to jump back-and-forth from bed to bed.

Parents thought it was a great way for me to burn off the trapped-in-the-car excess energy.

I couldn’t imagine what that would do to my knees and ankles if I did it today.

286 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:02:40am

re: #277 Lukewarm Fusion

You just didn’t notice. E.g. they have a whole thread on their blog about your comment asking about all the strays that are killed in the US and mulling over the possibility of exporting them.

Hey. You just made another thread for them.

Sergey support the export of American strays for overseas consumption thus supporting GGT. Derpity derp!

Brown acid is a powerful drug.

287 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:03:38am

re: #286 Gus

2 threads! Gus supports Sergey in supporting ggt in…

288 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:04:07am

re: #286 Gus

Hey. You just made another thread for them.

Brown acid is a powerful drug.

re: #287 Lukewarm Fusion

2 threads! Gus supports Sergey in supporting ggt in…

I’m feeling relevant.

/

289 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:05:12am

re: #287 Lukewarm Fusion

2 threads! Gus supports Sergey in supporting ggt in…

Neo-Marxist, dog-consuming Obamunists being led by Tranzi Progressives are imposing on mah rights to get laid!!!!

//

290 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:05:21am

re: #286 Gus

Hey. You just made another thread for them.

Sergey support the export of American strays for overseas consumption thus supporting GGT. Derpity derp!

Brown acid is a powerful drug.

“If you have taken the blue acid, please report to the Red Cross tent.”

291 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:05:24am

yumpa

292 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:05:42am

re: #283 ggt

Especially because As I Recall, I was thinking about the homeless and poor in this country. I bet there are a few recent immigrants who would buy dog meat.

Since the Canada geese are a threat to aviation, they should be collected and butchered and their meat given away to the poor. There’s no taboo on goose meat.

293 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:06:09am

re: #284 Lukewarm Fusion

I used to work with a person like that. It was really weird. You could see her trying out the lie, and then committing herself to it. She wouldn’t get invited out to lunch by someone who was going with a few other people, and she’d say, later “X didn’t invite me,” and then “X told me I couldn’t come to lunch” and then “X, Y, and Z didn’t invite me to lunch so they could spend all lunch talking about me.”

She lied about things that were demonstrable, too, which is similar. Just like it’s really, really easy to show you’re not a Stalinist— in fact, an anti-Stalinist, if anything— but morons claim that you are, she’d claim that someone was late to work all the time (when I was getting emails from that person right at the start of work) or that someone had filed an HR complaint about me (HR, baffled, verified there was no such complaint).

She got promoted once while I was there, which was the clear sign to get the fuck out of that company.

294 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:08:08am

re: #292 Learned Mother of Zion

Since the Canada geese are a threat to aviation, they should be collected and butchered and their meat given away to the poor. There’s no taboo on goose meat.

They are basically rats in the Chicago Suburbs.

Not being safe to discharge a firearm in suburban areas, they are not hunted here.

There has to be a way to cull the flock and feed the homeless!

Damn shame, IMHO.

295 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:08:10am

re: #13 freetoken

More:

Man, that is weapons grade crazy.

296 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:10:08am

Click on the image at Daily Kos to get the full size view.

The Romneys as hobos.

297 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:10:17am

re: #293 Obdicut

I used to work with a person like that. It was really weird. You could see her trying out the lie, and then committing herself to it. She wouldn’t get invited out to lunch by someone who was going with a few other people, and she’d say, later “X didn’t invite me,” and then “X told me I couldn’t come to lunch” and then “X, Y, and Z didn’t invite me to lunch so they could spend all lunch talking about me.”

She lied about things that were demonstrable, too, which is similar. Just like it’s really, really easy to show you’re not a Stalinist— in fact, an anti-Stalinist, if anything— but morons claim that you are, she’d claim that someone was late to work all the time (when I was getting emails from that person right at the start of work) or that someone had filed an HR complaint about me (HR, baffled, verified there was no such complaint).

She got promoted once while I was there, which was the clear sign to get the fuck out of that company.

Yeah, it’s sad when an organization does that and it’s not too uncommon.

298 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:11:50am

FYI

Yoot is not a word in Words with Friends and Strangers.

It should be!

299 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:14:34am

I’m so old and technology challenged, I needed help getting my boarding pass at the Southwest computer.

“Punch in this code (the one in big BLUE letters on my computer confirmation print-out) and then hit Enter.”

300 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:17:34am

re: #299 ggt

I’m so old and technology challenged, I needed help getting my boarding pass at the Southwest computer.

“Punch in this code (the one in big BLUE letters on my computer confirmation print-out) and then hit Enter.”

In your defense, I sometimes think the airlines deliberately design their user interfaces to be obtuse. Even I get flummoxed by them from time to time. Although that may just be because of the general stress and annoyance of flying.

301 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:18:14am

re: #285 ggt

Parents thought it was a great way for me to burn off the trapped-in-the-car excess energy.
My parents would just get into the right lane and have us run by the car for a few miles!

302 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:18:38am

re: #299 ggt

I’m so old and technology challenged, I needed help getting my boarding pass at the Southwest computer.

“Punch in this code (the one in big BLUE letters on my computer confirmation print-out) and then hit Enter.”

Hit “enter.”

OK. “E-n-t-e-r.” Nothing’s happening!

303 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:19:13am

Normally, when we return from travelling, we first unpack by the washer and dryer, sort and start laundry.

Last night, I went right up to bed.

304 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:19:15am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We’re going through yet another season of extremes. Thus far this year, we’ve seen far less rain and snow than normal - and were more than eight inches of rain below normal.

So what happens? We get a Nor’easter that puts down about 3 inches in the span of a couple of hours causing flooding and erosion issues.

We’ll still be well below where we should be with rainfall, but at least the wildfire hazard has been mitigated for a while.

And to add to the extremes? Parts of PA, NY and New England may see the highest amounts of snowfall this late in the spring. After a winter where the biggest snow was the October freak-o-blizzard (which caused billions in damage due to fully laden trees taking out power lines from NJ up into New England), we had pretty much nothing else to speak of - until now.

Expect a whole lot more of this going forward….

305 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:19:46am

re: #300 thedopefishlives

In your defense, I sometimes think the airlines deliberately design their user interfaces to be obtuse. Even I get flummoxed by them from time to time. Although that may just be because of the general stress and annoyance of flying.

You are kind.

306 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:20:46am

re: #300 thedopefishlives

Oh ,, (now that I’m back) one last suggestion re: treating your back yard/ lawn problems

So as not to commit to a service, you could have them do it one time just to get a head of it then keep it up yourself through the summer. May cost you a few dollars more for a “one time” (the services like to lock you into a year round contract) but it may be worth it as they generally have better chemicals/ equipment than the over-the-counter stuff

307 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:21:06am

re: #304 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We’re going through yet another season of extremes. Thus far this year, we’ve seen far less rain and snow than normal - and were more than eight inches of rain below normal.

So what happens? We get a Nor’easter that puts down about 3 inches in the span of a couple of hours causing flooding and erosion issues.

We’ll still be well below where we should be with rainfall, but at least the wildfire hazard has been mitigated for a while.

And to add to the extremes? Parts of PA, NY and New England may see the highest amounts of snowfall this late in the spring. After a winter where the biggest snow was the October freak-o-blizzard (which caused billions in damage due to fully laden trees taking out power lines from NJ up into New England), we had pretty much nothing else to speak of - until now.

Expect a whole lot more of this going forward…

Weather was unseasonably coolish in Nashville. While outside the hotel, in the time-out area reserved for smokers, other smokers would comment how cold it was. I would just look at them and say “I’m from Chicago”.

They mostly left me alone after that.

308 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:21:45am

re: #292 Learned Mother of Zion

Since the Canada geese are a threat to aviation, they should be collected and butchered and their meat given away to the poor. There’s no taboo on goose meat.

Given where they graze (corporate park lawns, golf courses, etc.) I’m not sure I want goose meat collected or given out until there has been some considerable analysis done. Even if this is simply a modest proposal.

309 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:21:57am

re: #306 sattv4u2

Oh ,, (now that I’m back) one last suggestion re: treating your back yard/ lawn problems

So as not to commit to a service, you could have them do it one time just to get a head of it then keep it up yourself through the summer. May cost you a few dollars more for a “one time” (the services like to lock you into a year round contract) but it may be worth it as they generally have better chemicals/ equipment than the over-the-counter stuff

I thought it was a “one-time” deal —no?

310 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:22:03am

re: #306 sattv4u2

Oh ,, (now that I’m back) one last suggestion re: treating your back yard/ lawn problems

So as not to commit to a service, you could have them do it one time just to get a head of it then keep it up yourself through the summer. May cost you a few dollars more for a “one time” (the services like to lock you into a year round contract) but it may be worth it as they generally have better chemicals/ equipment than the over-the-counter stuff

This is true, but my father just got his certification as a professional applicator, so I may be able to make some use of that, if it becomes necessary.

311 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:22:27am

re: #308 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Given where they graze (corporate park lawns, golf courses, etc.) I’m not sure I want goose meat collected or given out until there has been some considerable analysis done. Even if this is simply a modest proposal.

From what I understand, all is good.

312 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:24:25am

re: #309 ggt

I thought it was a “one-time” deal —no?

No. We have a contract. They come 5 (I think,, maybe 6) times a year and spray the entire property
$60 a pop to treat just under an acre

313 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:25:31am

Poor babies.

314 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:26:15am

re: #302 Gus

Hit “enter.”

OK. “E-n-t-e-r.” Nothing’s happening!

Have you found the “ANY” key yet?

315 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:26:35am

First the Nightmare, Then the News

“What I don’t understand,” Bo said, “is why the whole case has to be taken up again in the minutest detail. He has admitted he did it — couldn’t they just pass sentence?” It’s a good question. The murders were politically motivated. Why give him a platform? The endless reports, what do they lead to except numbness, a kind of horror-struck paralysis?

316 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:28:35am

re: #313 Gus

Poor babies.

First World problems.

317 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:28:35am

re: #313 Gus

Poor babies.

My heart goes out to them. /

318 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:29:49am

GUS

You seeing anything like this on Twitter about Zimmerman?

[Link: twitchy.com…]

319 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:30:23am

re: #318 sattv4u2

GUS

You seeing anything like this on Twitter about Zimmerman?

[Link: twitchy.com…]

I won’t look. I thought Zimmerman was already out on bail.

320 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:30:28am

RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!

321 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:31:22am

re: #319 Gus

I won’t look. I thought Zimmerman was already out on bail.

That’s what’s prompted the outrage, and the calls to ‘kill” him

322 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:31:36am

re: #313 Gus

Poor babies.

Which reminds me, there’s this new show on HBO, “Girls,” which is about the trials and tribulations of a group of privileged rich white girls, struggling to survive in NYC on their unpaid internships, in the studio apartment paid for by their rich parents.

323 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:31:46am

re: #321 sattv4u2

That’s what’s prompted the outrage, and the calls to ‘kill” him

What do you want me to do about it?

324 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:31:49am

re: #320 ggt

RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!

Well, mine is, but I don’t complain.

325 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:32:35am

re: #323 Gus

What do you want me to do about it?

Condemn./

326 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:32:45am

re: #323 Gus

What do you want me to do about it?

I don’t believe I asked you to do anything about it. I asked if you were seeing any of it. You seem to be plugged into Twitter (I don’t have it) so I was just asking a question

327 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:33:05am

re: #323 Gus

What do you want me to do about it?

Make it all go away!

328 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:33:16am

re: #326 sattv4u2

I don’t believe I asked you to do anything about it. I asked if you were seeing any of it. You seem to be plugged into Twitter (I don’t have it) so I was just asking a question

I don’t follow people like that. My feed is pretty cool and rather mixed.

329 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:34:09am

re: #322 Learned Mother of Zion

I’m glad we got our apartment when we did, and it’s under rent stabilization.

330 Stephen T.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:34:11am

re: #38 Ming

It will be interesting to see what position Romney takes on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Will he be in favor of reinstating it in the military? If he’s not in favor of reinstating DADT, will he be willing to admit that Obama accomplished something in working with Congress, and the Pentagon, to eliminate DADT for good? Will Romney avoid the DADT issue completely?

It should be noted that most social conservatives don’t wish a return to the days of DADT. Instead, they want to go back to before the DADT compromise was achieved. Social conservatives want gays to be banned from all military service. Some social conservatives want gays to be banned from all forms of employment.

331 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:34:47am

re: #326 sattv4u2

I don’t believe I asked you to do anything about it. I asked if you were seeing any of it. You seem to be plugged into Twitter (I don’t have it) so I was just asking a question

Here’s the zimmerman hashtag
[Link: twitter.com…]

There’s a bit of that going on.

332 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:34:50am

re: #330 Stephen T.

It should be noted that most social conservatives don’t wish a return to the days of DADT. Instead, they want to go back to before the DADT compromise was achieved. Social conservatives want gays to be banned from all military service. Some social conservatives want gays to be banned from all forms of employment.

Most just want gays banned.

333 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:35:18am

re: #325 Lukewarm Fusion

Condemn./

I don’t condemn therefore I must approve!

//

334 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:35:46am

re: #331 Killgore Trout

Here’s the zimmerman hashtag
[Link: twitter.com…]

There’s a bit of that going on.

This is why we can’t have nice things!

335 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:37:35am

re: #322 Learned Mother of Zion

Which reminds me, there’s this new show on HBO, “Girls,” which is about the trials and tribulations of a group of privileged rich white girls, struggling to survive in NYC on their unpaid internships, in the studio apartment paid for by their rich parents.

Gag me with a (silver) spoon.

336 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:37:52am

re: #333 Gus

I don’t condemn therefore I must approve!

//

Disclaimer: Gus and I are just joking around. That’s not what anybody here suggested. Although it happened in the past.

337 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:38:16am

re: #326 sattv4u2

People are also calling for the deaths of Bieber,

and Madonna.

338 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:38:56am

re: #337 Obdicut

Morons, all

339 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:39:34am

re: #333 Gus

I don’t condemn therefore I must approve!

//

I think it’s depressing that there are people out there who actually think this way. Perhaps not here, but I’ve been hanging out on JREF lately and “debating” with some of the conspiracy theory loons, and they follow this type of “logic”. It can be maddening at times.

340 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:39:43am

re: #337 Obdicut

People are also calling for the deaths of Bieber,

and Madonna.

It’s pretty standard.
/

341 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:40:33am

re: #337 Obdicut

Yep, tho those are off-the-cuff joke wishes, while those towards GZ are mostly real (I presume).

342 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:40:37am

And here’s a rather mixed message:

343 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:42:07am

re: #341 Lukewarm Fusion

Well, yeah. There’s a lot of people that approve of vigilantism and would like to see Zimmerman shot. They’re stupid assholes, and hypocrites to boot given that Zimmerman was acting like a vigilante asshole when he shot Martin.

This is the problem with vigilantism; it’s never-ending. That’s why laws encouraging vigilantism— like the SYG law— are so damn dangerous.

344 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:42:18am

re: #342 Obdicut

And here’s a rather mixed message:

[Embedded content]

I need that one deciphered.

345 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:42:25am

re: #342 Obdicut

And here’s a rather mixed message:

I’m sure that Twitchy will be on that next.

//

346 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:43:29am

re: #344 ggt

I need that one deciphered.

It’s telling you to kill black people and not to drink— presumably alcohol.

He looks like a severely crazy person, judging from his other tweets.

347 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:43:38am

Twitchy has already been caught passing off non-liberal tweets as liberal. Be very wary of that resource.

348 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:44:29am

re: #347 Lukewarm Fusion

Twitchy has already been caught passing off non-liberal tweets as liberal. Be very wary of that resource.

That site is a Michelle Malkin production.

349 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:45:38am

re: #348 Learned Mother of Zion

Ah, so it is.

[Link: michellemalkin.com…]

I wonder how many people will fall for it and treat it as a reliable source?

Probably a lot.

350 Interesting Times  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:46:18am

re: #347 Lukewarm Fusion

Twitchy has already been caught passing off non-liberal tweets as liberal. Be very wary of that and any other resource owned by racist supporter of internment Michelle Malkin.

Enhanced.

351 McSpiff  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:47:05am

Just booked my first trip home since Christmas. I’m surprised by how happy this makes me..

352 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:47:07am

re: #348 Learned Mother of Zion

That site is a Michelle Malkin production.

I’ll wait for her condemnation of the white nationalist/supremacist site that she writes for, VDare.

353 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:47:43am

re: #350 Interesting Times

Enhanced.

She’s not white! Non-whites can’t be racists! *sound of memes colliding* Oh wait…

354 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:48:33am

re: #353 Lukewarm Fusion

She’s not white! Non-whites can’t be racists! *sound of memes colliding* Oh wait…

She is a beard for white racists.

355 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:48:53am

re: #352 Gus

I’ll wait for her condemnation of the white nationalist/supremacist site that she writes for, VDare.

Don’t hold your breath. I let my CPR certificate expire some years back.

356 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:49:17am

re: #354 Learned Mother of Zion

She is a beard for white racists.

[stupid joke deleted]

357 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:50:21am

re: #356 Lukewarm Fusion

[stupid joke deleted]

[Lame rejoinder to stupid joke deleted, replaced with picture of frog]

Image: Imitator-poison-dart-frog-Dendrobates-imitator-Joe-Milmoe.jpg

358 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:50:58am

re: #351 McSpiff

Just booked my first trip home since Christmas. I’m surprised by how happy this makes me..

Congrats!

359 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:52:32am

re: #357 Obdicut

[Lame rejoinder to stupid joke deleted, replaced with picture of frog]

Image: Imitator-poison-dart-frog-Dendrobates-imitator-Joe-Milmoe.jpg

(replaced with a picture of a larger frog eating that frog)

Image: Cambodia_Frog_Eating_Frog.JPG

360 Interesting Times  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:53:30am
361 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:55:01am

re: #359 sattv4u2

(replaced with a picture of a larger frog eating that frog)

Image: Cambodia_Frog_Eating_Frog.JPG

cannibal frogs?

362 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:55:31am

re: #52 erik_t

I assume you can explain how the GSA is a badly run organization due to executive improprieties, while Best Buy is successful and growing despite executive improprieties.

Counterpoint: Best Buy feels Amazon squeeze, to close 50 big-box stores

The retailer’s fiscal fourth-quarter sales fall well below expectations. Is Best Buy becoming a showroom for online retailers like Amazon?
by Larry Dignan March 29, 2012

363 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:55:56am

re: #359 sattv4u2

(replaced with a picture of a larger frog eating that frog)

Image: Cambodia_Frog_Eating_Frog.JPG

It’s a frog eat frog world out there.

364 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:56:21am

re: #363 Learned Mother of Zion

It’s a frog eat frog world out there.

You think they’d be worried about prions!

365 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 7:59:44am

Moderates!

Rep. Allen West: Extremist Muslims Are Influencing Our National Strategy

The FBI made the move after Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) complained about some passages, including one that advised agents to “never attempt to shake hands with an Asian” and another that said agents should expect “outbursts” from Arab minds.

West said that by removing such passages, the FBI was committing “cultural suicide” and allowing groups like the Muslim Brotherhood to influence U.S. policy.

366 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:00:38am

I’ve been in 8 hotels in the past month. At the last one the bell-hop wanted to give me the usual tour of the room and hallway to show me where the ice maker is. I handed him his tip and told him that all Hotels were the same, I was sure I could figure-it-out.

I don’t understand how people travel for a living.

I was ready to hurt people.

367 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:00:40am

Speaking of Twitchy…

368 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:01:03am

Yeah. Silence on the Sailer Strategy. That doesn’t mean anything.

//

369 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:01:19am

re: #365 Gus

Moderates!

Rep. Allen West: Extremist Muslims Are Influencing Our National Strategy

Acid is bad for you, Rep. West. Seriously what idiot looks at Obama’s foreign policy and concludes that it’s influenced by Muslim extremists. Is it the anti Al Queda initiatives that makes West think this?

370 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:01:36am

re: #365 Gus

Moderates!

Rep. Allen West: Extremist Muslims Are Influencing Our National Strategy

Yeah, because whacko’s like you want to enact policy that would extend your power and limit theirs!

It’s more like influence thru fear reaction.

371 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:02:32am

Ugh, this is making the rounds this morning…
Officials: Trayvon case cited in racial beating

372 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:04:20am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Should have gone with the “twinkie defense”.

Why the “ugh”?

373 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:04:27am

re: #368 Gus

Yeah. Silence on the Sailer Strategy. That doesn’t mean anything.

//

Enlighten a poor noob, what is the Sailer Strategy?

374 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:05:52am

re: #373 thedopefishlives

Enlighten a poor noob, what is the Sailer Strategy?

Election 2010 And The Unmentionable Sailer Strategy: White Vote Still Key

Scroll down. I’ll look for more…

375 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:06:59am

The Sailer Strategy Updated: Three Steps To Save America
By Steve Sailer on October 9, 2011 at 11:42pm

Last week, I critiqued Ron Unz’s recent article in The American Conservative, which argued that what we at VDARE.com call “The Sailer Strategy”—that the Republican Party should and can only win, not through “outreach”/minority pandering, but by “inreach”/mobilizing its own (white) base—wouldn’t really work and that a better way to prevent immigration overload would be to raise the minimum wage…

376 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:08:17am

re: #374 Gus

re: #375 Gus

What the *expletive deleted*.

377 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:08:35am

re: #376 thedopefishlives

re: #375 Gus

What the *expletive deleted*.

Yep. Pretty much.

378 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:12:20am

re: #377 Gus

Yep. Pretty much.

I have a Facebook friend who is hyper-sensitive to issues of race. I usually tended to think he was overreacting in some cases. I’m starting to think that maybe he’s right after all.

379 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:17:52am

Going thru photos from the past month.

One is a silouette of my teenager at the top of the world—something like 10,000 ft on a volcano.

Sitting in what looks like the lotus position.

Can you guess what he is doing?

380 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:19:50am

re: #379 ggt

Going thru photos from the past month.

One is a silouette of my teenager at the top of the world—something like 10,000 ft on a volcano.

Sitting in what looks like the lotus position.

Can you guess what he is doing?

Eating?

381 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:22:58am

re: #379 ggt

Using his iPad?

382 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:23:15am

Good morning lizards from a cold and rainy Virginia.

383 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:23:24am

re: #379 ggt

Going thru photos from the past month.

One is a silouette of my teenager at the top of the world—something like 10,000 ft on a volcano.

Sitting in what looks like the lotus position.

Can you guess what he is doing?

Texting?

384 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:23:27am

re: #379 ggt

Going thru photos from the past month.

One is a silouette of my teenager at the top of the world—something like 10,000 ft on a volcano.

Sitting in what looks like the lotus position.

Can you guess what he is doing?

Shivering? (I hear it’s not very warm up there on that point of the Big Island.)

385 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:24:27am

re: #383 Learned Mother of Zion

Texting?

WINNER!

386 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:25:44am

Not this again. Seems to happen in some variation every couple years.

Brazil actor playing Judas dies from accidental hanging
A Brazilian actor has died after accidentally hanging himself while playing Judas in an Easter Passion play.

387 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:26:38am

re: #378 thedopefishlives

I have a Facebook friend who is hyper-sensitive to issues of race. I usually tended to think he was overreacting in some cases. I’m starting to think that maybe he’s right after all.

I used to substitute my particular sensitive point when I heard statements about race. Then I’d ask myself I felt about it.

Usually, I determined that the person was not so hyper-sensitive.

388 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:29:20am

I’m off to take my morning nap.

It’s time, I’m getting cranky.

Have a great one all!

389 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:31:59am

Suspected cyber attack hits Iran oil industry

DUBAI - Iran is investigating a suspected cyber attack on its main oil export terminal and on the Oil Ministry itself, Iranian industry sources said on Monday.

A virus was detected inside the control systems of Kharg Island, the country’s largest crude oil export facility, but the terminal remained operational, a source at the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) said.

The virus, which is likely to be compared to the Stuxnet computer worm which reportedly affected Iranian nuclear facilities in 2009-10, struck late on Sunday.

Heh.

390 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:34:31am

re: #389 NJDhockeyfan

Don’t you want lower oil prices?

391 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:35:14am
392 iossarian  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:38:59am

re: #390 Obdicut

Don’t you want lower oil prices?

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS

393 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:40:55am

Couple held at gunpoint, arrested after buying home

The Kalonji family had just closed on a foreclosed home and were told by their real estate agent they should go over to the house and change the locks.

But when Jean Kalonji and his wife, Angelica, started working at the home, an armed man and another person who appeared to be the man’s son allegedly confronted them.

“He say to put the hands up and get out from the house, otherwise he would shoot us,” the husband told Channel 2.

The neighbors didn’t believe the couple when they told them they had bought the home and called the Newton County Sheriff’s Office. The Kalonjis didn’t have the closing papers with them, so deputies arrested them, charged them with loitering and prowling and took them to jail.

394 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:41:43am

re: #393 makeitstop

Vigilantism weee!

395 Stanghazi  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:42:20am

re: #393 makeitstop

Couple held at gunpoint, arrested after buying home

That is just horrible.

396 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:43:10am

re: #394 Obdicut

Aided and abetted by law enforcement being incompetent.

397 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:46:26am

re: #390 Obdicut

Iraqi oil production is expected to rise above 3 million bbl per day on a regular basis for the first time in 30 years this quarter. They’re expecting to get 2.75 million bbl per day from the southern fields alone.

They’re looking to double that production within a few years.

Not likely sufficient to make up for the Iranian shortfall, but helpful in stabilizing oil prices.

What isn’t helpful in stabilizing oil prices - conflict between Sudan and South Sudan (disputed oil/gas fields partially to blame); ongoing unrest and corruption in Nigeria; Iran; environmental woes at various oil fields - including most recently at the North Sea (Gulf Coast via Deepwater Horizon/Macondo spill), etc.

398 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:49:10am

*sigh*

Who knew that wanting to teach real science in science class was the same as being brutally oppressed by a totalitarian regime?

Former Texas SBOE Member: Opposition to Teaching Creationism in Science Classrooms Is Like ‘Pre-Holocaust Germany’

399 Gus  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:49:45am

re: #393 makeitstop

Couple held at gunpoint, arrested after buying home

Nothing to see here!

//

400 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:53:58am

Also, who knew that a cheesy marketing campaign for some candy was evil?

Tony Perkins laments that ‘Mike and Ike’ are gay and ‘sexualizing candy’

As part of a new advertising campaign for the candy, “Mike and Ike” have announced that they are divorcing so Ike can pursue a career in the arts and Mike can fulfill his dream of becoming a “music legend.”

Advertisers hope that the “fight” between Mike and Ike can win the candy more attention among consumers, and it already grabbed the attention of Family Research Council president Tony Perkins, who is upset that Mike and Ike are a gay couple.

401 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:57:10am

File this under WTF were they thinking?

Oreo cookies in breastfeeding controversy

It’s a move that’s delighted some and horrified others: Kraft Foods inadvertently released an ad showing a baby suckling at a partially exposed breast and looking intently at the Oreo cookie in his hand.

The ad is entitled “Basic Instinct” and contains the tag line “Milk’s favourite cookie.”

Cheil Worldwide, an advertising agency in South Korea, created the ad and meant it to only be viewed at an advertising forum. They claim it was never supposed to go public. But as luck would have it, the photo has gone viral. The agency is also disputing rumours that the ad was already running in South Korean publications.

402 bratwurst  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:59:11am
403 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:59:51am

re: #400 Lidane

Also, who knew that a cheesy marketing campaign for some candy was evil?

Tony Perkins laments that ‘Mike and Ike’ are gay and ‘sexualizing candy’

And Perkins is just one of those personalities that goes out looking for fights (or simply items that can be used to beat the drum and wave the bloody shirt about in order to draw attention and funds.)

404 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 8:59:59am

re: #402 bratwurst

Who are the 3%?

405 Simply Sarah  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:00:13am

re: #400 Lidane

Also, who knew that a cheesy marketing campaign for some candy was evil?

Tony Perkins laments that ‘Mike and Ike’ are gay and ‘sexualizing candy’

Hmm…I’ve liked Mike and Ikes since I was a little kid and in the end it turns out I also like women (But also men, but especially also women). Coincidence or long running confectionery homosexual plot?

406 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:01:17am

re: #405 Simply Sarah

Hmm…I’ve liked Mike and Ikes since I was a little kid and in the end it turns out I also like women (But also men, but especially also women). Coincidence or long running confectionery homosexual plot?

The Muppets needs to be hired to do a “Mike and Ike” ad where they can argue about which is their favorite. And it should be aired simply to see if it makes Perkins’ head explode.

407 Simply Sarah  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:01:38am

re: #404 NJDhockeyfan

Who are the 3%?

They thought they were being asked about the psychic.

408 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:02:00am

re: #400 Lidane

Also, who knew that a cheesy marketing campaign for some candy was evil?

Tony Perkins laments that ‘Mike and Ike’ are gay and ‘sexualizing candy’

By the way, what does he have to say about the somewhat related “Good and Fruity” products?
///

409 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:03:08am

re: #401 NJDhockeyfan

Honestly, I think that one is rather clever. it’s Viral Marketing 101. Create an image that you know will be controversial, “accidentally” let it slip out, then try to minimize it by saying that it wasn’t meant to be public.

Sure, it’s a way to generate outrageous outrage and boost sales, but come on. Is an image of a baby breast feeding really so bad? Besides, it’s funny. You could interpret it to mean that eating the Oreo cookie is a basic instinct no matter where the milk you enjoy it with comes from. Heh.

410 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:04:42am

re: #408 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

By the way, what does he have to say about the somewhat related “Good and Fruity” products?
///

Who else is old enough to remember when “Good and Plenty” was the nastiest thing you would find in your Halloween bag?

411 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:05:33am

re: #409 Lidane

Breastfeeding is unnatural. Also, God forbid people will think about boobs and nipples! *clutches pearls*

412 Stanghazi  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:05:36am

re: #409 Lidane

Honestly, I think that one is rather clever. it’s Viral Marketing 101. Create an image that you know will be controversial, “accidentally” let it slip out, then try to minimize it by saying that it wasn’t meant to be public.

Sure, it’s a way to generate outrageous outrage and boost sales, but come on. Is an image of a baby breast feeding really so bad? Besides, it’s funny. You could interpret it to mean that eating the Oreo cookie is a basic instinct no matter where the milk you enjoy it with comes from. Heh.

It’s that old fear of the breast. Ridiculous - I think the ad is great

413 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:05:57am

re: #410 Learned Mother of Zion

Nah, I lived in the country, so there were always people that would put apples in, which, for a kid, counts as nasty.

One place gave out little bottles of delicious cider, though. Man, that was good.

414 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:06:15am

re: #408 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

By the way, what does he have to say about the somewhat related “Good and Fruity” products?
///

More to the point, what’s his opinion on Hot Tamales? I happen to think they’re delicious.

415 Simply Sarah  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:06:48am

re: #410 Learned Mother of Zion

Who else is old enough to remember when “Good and Plenty” was the nastiest thing you would find in your Halloween bag?

I dunno if that’s really and “old enough” type thing. I’m pretty sure they’re still the nastiest thing you find in your Halloween bag.

416 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:07:45am

Report: Blast in Norway Dairy Plant, Deaths Feared

A Norwegian news agency reports that there has been an explosion at a dairy plant in the country’s southeast, and that several people are feared dead.

The blast occurred Monday afternoon in Fredrikstad.

Rescue service spokesman Ola Vaage told the NTB news agency that several people are feared to have died or been seriously injured in the blast.

Rescue workers, ambulances and a helicopter have been dispatched to the scene.

It was not immediately clear what caused the explosion.

417 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:08:06am

re: #410 Learned Mother of Zion

Who else is old enough to remember when “Good and Plenty” was the nastiest thing you would find in your Halloween bag?

Ha! That and the Necco wafers. I hated getting Good & Plenty and Necco wafers. The only thing worse was the busybody parents who thought they were being cute and/or clever by giving out boxes of raisins at Halloween.

418 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:09:29am

re: #393 makeitstop

Couple held at gunpoint, arrested after buying home

I would think that the neighbors should have some kind of legal repercussions coming. They had to know the house was in foreclosure, if they were the neighbors.

419 Simply Sarah  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:09:41am

re: #417 Lidane

Ha! That and the Necco wafers. I hated getting Good & Plenty and Necco wafers. The only thing worse was the busybody parents who thought they were being cute and/or clever by giving out boxes of raisins at Halloween.

Really? I have a bit of a soft spot for the old fashioned chalkiness of Necco wafers.

420 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:09:50am

re: #417 Lidane

Ha! That and the Necco wafers. I hated getting Good & Plenty and Necco wafers. The only thing worse was the busybody parents who thought they were being cute and/or clever by giving out boxes of raisins at Halloween.

I recall going by their factory often as a kid

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421 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:09:55am

re: #410 Learned Mother of Zion

Who else is old enough to remember when “Good and Plenty” was the nastiest thing you would find in your Halloween bag?

I used to like those. Of course I grew up on my eating grandfather’s licorice.

422 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:10:33am

re: #417 Lidane

Ha! That and the Necco wafers. I hated getting Good & Plenty and Necco wafers. The only thing worse was the busybody parents who thought they were being cute and/or clever by giving out boxes of raisins at Halloween.

Well, aren’t dead zombie grapes sort of appropriate for Halloween?
;)

423 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:10:38am

re: #421 NJDhockeyfan

I used to like those. Of course I grew up on my eating grandfather’s licorice.

Is that code for something!?!?
//

424 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:11:14am

re: #417 Lidane

Ha! That and the Necco wafers. I hated getting Good & Plenty and Necco wafers. The only thing worse was the busybody parents who thought they were being cute and/or clever by giving out boxes of raisins at Halloween.

I loved the chocolate Neccos. I’d pick those out and give the rest of them to my sister.

425 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:11:51am

re: #418 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I would think that the neighbors should have some kind of legal repercussions coming. They had to know the house was in foreclosure, if they were the neighbors.

Well, they certainly got relations with the new owners off on the right foot!
//

426 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:11:57am

re: #400 Lidane

Also, who knew that a cheesy marketing campaign for some candy was evil?

Tony Perkins laments that ‘Mike and Ike’ are gay and ‘sexualizing candy’

Lol.

427 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:12:14am

I’ve never liked licorice, anise, fennel, or anything with that flavor.

My mom gave out apples one year. Then she switched to bags of popcorn. Our house got skipped a lot.

428 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:12:42am

re: #427 wrenchwench

I like fennel when it’s baked or otherwise cooked, but not in candy or just fresh.

429 Simply Sarah  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:12:57am

re: #427 wrenchwench

I’ve never liked licorice, anise, fennel, or anything with that flavor.

My mom gave out apples one year. Then she switched to bags of popcorn. Our house got skipped a lot.

All part of her plan to save money next Halloween?

430 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:13:38am

re: #427 wrenchwench

I’ve never liked licorice, anise, fennel, or anything with that flavor.

My mom gave out apples one year. Then she switched to bags of popcorn. Our house got skipped a lot.

Ever try Ouzo?

431 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:14:23am

re: #427 wrenchwench

I’ve never liked licorice, anise, fennel, or anything with that flavor.

My mom gave out apples one year. Then she switched to bags of popcorn. Our house got skipped a lot.

We always had some around. I grew to like it

432 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:14:26am

re: #427 wrenchwench

I’ve never liked licorice, anise, fennel, or anything with that flavor.

My mom gave out apples one year. Then she switched to bags of popcorn. Our house got skipped a lot.

I’m picky about eating apples. Main reason I never liked getting them. On top of that the “psychos put razor blades in apples!” meme was alive even back in the 70s.

Popcorn balls were sort of neat as a change-up to regular stuff. Sort of like how I liked getting SweetTarts or Smarties as well as chocolate.

433 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:14:30am

re: #427 wrenchwench

I’ve never liked licorice, anise, fennel, or anything with that flavor.

My mom gave out apples one year. Then she switched to bags of popcorn. Our house got skipped a lot.

My kids never celebrated Halloween, but they used to get the same (kosher-certified) nasty snacks in their Purim bags.

Since my kids are all grown up, I only give out adult treats on Purim. Alcohol is mandatory.

434 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:15:27am

re: #419 Simply Sarah

Really? I have a bit of a soft spot for the old fashioned chalkiness of Necco wafers.

I’ve never liked them. I’m also the freak kid who hated Lucky Charms because the marshmallows were chalky and made my teeth hurt. Hehe.

435 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:15:40am

re: #433 Learned Mother of Zion

My kids never celebrated Halloween, but they used to get the same (kosher-certified) nasty snacks in their Purim bags.

Since my kids are all grown up, I only give out adult treats on Purim. Alcohol is mandatory.

I never give out anything one Halloween that I wouldn’t eat myself.

I think Bit o Honey is a cruel joke begun by a person who didn’t like children.

436 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:16:39am

re: #430 NJDhockeyfan

Ever try Ouzo?

Ouzo is awesome. I don’t have it that often, but I definitely like it.

437 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:16:56am

re: #430 NJDhockeyfan

Ever try Ouzo?

Yes, hated it. Raki (the Turkish version) is even worse.

438 Simply Sarah  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:17:19am

re: #434 Lidane

I’ve never liked them. I’m also the freak kid who hated Lucky Charms because the marshmallows were chalky and made my teeth hurt. Hehe.

I couldn’t really stand Lucky Charms, despite my attempts to try. The “marshmallows” in that stuff are, like you say, pretty garbage.

439 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:17:24am

re: #435 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I never give out anything one Halloween that I wouldn’t eat myself.

I think Bit o Honey is a cruel joke begun by a person who didn’t like children.

I just figured the person giving those out was a dentist!

440 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:17:42am

re: #435 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I think Bit o Honey is a cruel joke begun by a person who didn’t like children.

My mother loves Bit o Honey candies. She’d always have them around when I was a kid.

441 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:19:07am

re: #440 Lidane

My mother loves Bit o Honey candies. She’d always have them around when I was a kid.

Didn’t mind them other than picking the wax paper bits that wouldn’t peel off cleanly out of my teeth afterwards.

Which was a weakness with a lot of the taffy-like products that were wrapped that way.

442 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:20:48am

re: #438 Simply Sarah

I couldn’t really stand Lucky Charms, despite my attempts to try. The “marshmallows” in that stuff are, like you say, pretty garbage.

I never bought sugary cereals for my kids while they were growing up. We had cheerios, cornflakes, and rice krispies. BTW even the non sugar coated breakfast cereals are full of sugar. We didn’t have a TV either.

When we visited my mother’s, she always gave them “froot loops” in the little boxes, and let them eat in front of the TV.

443 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:21:55am

re: #432 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I’m picky about eating apples. Main reason I never liked getting them. On top of that the “psychos put razor blades in apples!” meme was alive even back in the 70s.

Popcorn balls were sort of neat as a change-up to regular stuff. Sort of like how I liked getting SweetTarts or Smarties as well as chocolate.

This was in the 60’s, right before razor blades showed up.

They weren’t popcorn balls, just bags of popcorn. Salted, I think, but no butter.

Mom was a good cook until she started putting ground soybeans in her spaghetti sauce and stuff like that.

444 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:22:03am

You can buy the old classic candies here.

Do you remember retro candies like Wax Lips, Ice Cube Chocolates, Bonomo’s Turkish Taffy, Candy Cigarettes, Candy Buttons on paper tape, Wax Syrup Bottles, Sky Bars, Zagnut, Necco Wafers, Teaberry Gum or Chick-o-Sticks?

At the Old Time Candy Company choose Candy you ate as a kid® Decade Boxes or pack your own retro candy assortment on our Pack-a-Bag page. How about a whole box of Goo Goo Clusters or a bulk bag of Walnettos?

Walk the candy aisles. Go ahead… take your time and you will see many candies you ate as a kid. Begin walking!

445 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:22:52am

re: #439 sattv4u2

I just figured the person giving those out was a dentist!

I accidently left a Kraft caramel out once that was unwrapped and the cat tried to eat it. I came back into the room as she was succeeding in levering it back out of her mouth.

She looked at it some more with the “what sort of fiendish trap is this thing” look. Then licked it 8-9 times before giving it up as a bad job and flouncing out of the room with dignity intact.

Since cat’s supposed have a disabled gene that affects their taste of sweetness I am curious what attracted her to it - possibly some sort of dairy/milk smell indicating delicious fat content?

446 Simply Sarah  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:24:17am

re: #442 Learned Mother of Zion

I never bought sugary cereals for my kids while they were growing up. We had cheerios, cornflakes, and rice krispies. BTW even the non sugar coated breakfast cereals are full of sugar. We didn’t have a TV either.

When we visited my mother’s, she always gave them “froot loops” in the little boxes, and let them eat in front of the TV.

My parents were mostly the same way with us, at least up until a point. Eventually I think the unending TV commercials probably made us bug them enough that they’d occasionally get us one of those sugary cereals. And, of course, said cereals often ended up having 90% of the box’s contents being thrown out because it turns out eating pure sugar + artificial colours and flavours for breakfast isn’t really all that appetizing.

447 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:24:34am

re: #442 Learned Mother of Zion

I never bought sugary cereals for my kids while they were growing up. We had cheerios, cornflakes, and rice krispies. BTW even the non sugar coated breakfast cereals are full of sugar. We didn’t have a TV either.

When we visited my mother’s, she always gave them “froot loops” in the little boxes, and let them eat in front of the TV.

Isn’t part of being “grandma” the ability to allow the things and activities forbidden at home?

448 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:24:38am

re: #430 NJDhockeyfan

Ever try Ouzo?

Oddly enough, I really like Retsina, which most non-Greeks with intact taste buds hate.

449 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:24:55am

re: #445 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

One of my cats loves fruit, which I really don’t think he should, given that they can’t taste sweet stuff.

450 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:25:09am

re: #447 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Isn’t part of being “grandma” the ability to allow the things and activities forbidden at home?

Heh. Spoil ‘em rotten is my motto.

451 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:26:37am

re: #450 Learned Mother of Zion

Heh. Spoil ‘em rotten is my motto.

Well, they are destined to be your revenge on your children.

452 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:26:58am

re: #450 Learned Mother of Zion

Heh. Spoil ‘em rotten is my motto.

My mother has one rule: Do not throw gravel in my koi pond.

This is because she has to get it back out again if they do.

I remember she had rules when I was a child. I distinctly do.

453 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:27:36am

re: #442 Learned Mother of Zion

When we visited my mother’s, she always gave them “froot loops” in the little boxes, and let them eat in front of the TV.

In my house, my mom would buy the assortment packs of cereal in the little boxes. Every now and then I’d get a full box of something, like Cookie Crisp or Cap’n Crunch, but for the most part breakfast was in those little boxes of cereal, or oatmeal, or eggs if I woke up early enough before school.

454 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:28:57am

re: #435 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I never give out anything one Halloween that I wouldn’t eat myself.

That’s our philosophy now. It has to be, since we live up a steep hill on a scary gravel driveway, and the only trick or treaters who have made it to our door in the last nine years were the kid across the street and his goofy mom last year.

455 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:29:03am

re: #447 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Isn’t part of being “grandma” the ability to allow the things and activities forbidden at home?

So is being the “cool aunt”. I do that with my cousins and their kids. I take them for an afternoon once in a while, go see a movie I wouldn’t otherwise pay for, ply them with candy and ice cream, then drop them off. Haha.

456 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:29:03am

re: #453 Lidane

In my house, my mom would buy the assortment packs of cereal in the little boxes. Every now and then I’d get a full box of something, like Cookie Crisp or Cap’n Crunch, but for the most part breakfast was in those little boxes of cereal, or oatmeal, or eggs if I woke up early enough before school.

I never bought the assortment packs because they were so expensive, but we had them when I was growing up because my dad liked to eat them for lunch at work.

457 Flounder  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:30:12am

I Still buy sugary cereals, especially Capn’ Crunch. Even got a free t-shirt! (no it wasn’t in the box)

458 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:30:55am

re: #456 Learned Mother of Zion

I never bought the assortment packs because they were so expensive, but we had them when I was growing up because my dad liked to eat them for lunch at work.

I use them for travel snacks on long trips.

My husband believes breakfast must be cooked.

We have cold cereal when he’s on a business trip.

459 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:32:11am

re: #456 Learned Mother of Zion

I never bought the assortment packs because they were so expensive, but we had them when I was growing up because my dad liked to eat them for lunch at work.

Mom bought them because she liked having them around too. She didn’t eat cereal much, but the little boxes were a way for her to have a bowl of something in the house that was more to her tastes without having a huge box of something that would end up going to waste otherwise.

460 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:34:24am

BTW—The marshmallows in Lucky Charms are actually dehydrated ice cream. If you ever see “Astronaut Ice Cream” for sale, it’s pretty much the same stuff.

461 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:35:33am

re: #459 Lidane

Mom bought them because she liked having them around too. She didn’t eat cereal much, but the little boxes were a way for her to have a bowl of something in the house that was more to her tastes without having a huge box of something that would end up going to waste otherwise.

Zedushka will never buy anything that his mother would have considered “extravagant” even though it is more economical when you have two old people living alone instead of a house full of kids.

For example, he will buy the 28oz can of baked beans instead of the smaller, single-serving size. Then once the can is open he has to eat the whole thing by himself because I hate baked beans.

462 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:35:38am

re: #460 Mostly sane, most of the time.

BTW—The marshmallows in Lucky Charms are actually dehydrated ice cream. If you ever see “Astronaut Ice Cream” for sale, it’s pretty much the same stuff.

I generally don’t go on the NASA web site for food sales!!
/

463 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:37:45am

re: #462 sattv4u2

I generally don’t go on the NASA web site for sales!!
/

Moe: “Say, Barn, uh, remember when I said I’d have to send away to NASA to calculate your bar tab?”

Barney: “Oh ho. Oh yeah. You had a good laugh, Moe.”

Moe: “The results came back today. You owe me seventy billion dollars.”

464 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:38:29am

re: #462 sattv4u2

I generally don’t go on the NASA web site for food sales!!
/

I’ve been to just about every kid’s science museum we have access to (Portland, Seattle, Vancouver BC). It’s always in the gift shop, and the kids ask for it, and I ask if I can just buy them a box of Lucky Charms.

Then we all forget about it and I buy some chem mini-set instead, because I’m a sucker for science toys.

465 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:39:34am

Twice a year, the White House opens the gates on its garden - allowing tours to folks. Interesting views of the gardens (including the vegetable gardens that have gotten flak from the right wing over the years).

The raised beds do look pretty damned good, but it’s also interesting to see the Rose Garden without the crowds/ceremonies, as well as other spaces that aren’t easily viewed from the street (beyond the fencing).

One of these years, I’m going to have to get on a WH/Capitol tour.

466 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:40:24am

re: #465 lawhawk

One of these years, I’m going to have to get on a WH/Capitol tour

Do it

BT/DT,, great take

467 Simply Sarah  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:40:29am

re: #464 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I’ve been to just about every kid’s science museum we have access to (Portland, Seattle, Vancouver BC). It’s always in the gift shop, and the kids ask for it, and I ask if I can just buy them a box of Lucky Charms.

Then we all forget about it and I buy some chem mini-set instead, because I’m a sucker for science toys.

The worst part being that it’s not even actually something astronauts take into space with them. It’s 110% marketing.

468 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:41:45am

This will be fun to watch this summer….

Here we go: Cynthia McKinney is running for Congress again

A tough slog for Democrats in Georgia may be getting even tougher, thanks to one of their old friends: Cynthia McKinney has filed paperwork to run for Congress in Georgia’s 4th District as a member of the Green Party.

The incumbent, Hank “capsized Guam” Johnson, has made more than his fair share of gaffes since defeating McKinney in 2006 and entering Congress. But compared to her, he’s a statesman of the highest order.

Still, it took a runoff for Johnson to beat her in that year’s primary, and even then she won 41 percent of the vote. This will be a general election, and 41 percent of the Democratic vote would be enough to keep Johnson from winning a majority. The GOP candidate last time out, Liz Carter, won 25 percent against Johnson. Neither she nor any other Republican will win this heavily Democratic district. But the GOP candidate will get enough votes to make it tough for Johnson to beat McKinney — or (shudder) vice-versa — without a runoff. McKinney would need just a quarter of the vote, or about one-third of those who usually vote for Democrats.

LOL!

469 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:44:21am

An Outraged Bryan Fischer Issues a List of Demands for Mitt Romney

Last week, it was announced that Mitt Romney‘s campaign had hired Richard Grenell to serve as its foreign policy and national security spokesman. Grenell happens to be openly gay, which has predictably raised the ire of Bryan Fischer, who has had a long-running grudge against Romney.

So, of course, Fischer has now written a new column calling the move a “deliberate poke in the eye to the pro-family community” and demanding that Romney answer some specific questions and take several specific steps to “contain the collateral damage from this spectacularly misbegotten decision”:

470 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:45:07am

re: #465 lawhawk

Twice a year, the White House opens the gates on its garden - allowing tours to folks. Interesting views of the gardens (including the vegetable gardens that have gotten flak from the right wing over the years).

The raised beds do look pretty damned good, but it’s also interesting to see the Rose Garden without the crowds/ceremonies, as well as other spaces that aren’t easily viewed from the street (beyond the fencing).

One of these years, I’m going to have to get on a WH/Capitol tour.

To go on the WH tour, you have to get tickets from your congressman, then you can take nothing more than a cell phone and keys, and no, they don’t provide storage facilities if you happen to be a tourist and toting a backpack because you are from, you know, out of town.

471 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:45:50am

re: #469 Kragar

An Outraged Bryan Fischer Issues a List of Demands for Mitt Romney

Summary: “Who run Romney Town?”

472 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:45:50am

re: #470 Mostly sane, most of the time.

To go on the WH tour, you have to get tickets from your congressman, then you can take nothing more than a cell phone and keys, and no, they don’t provide storage facilities if you happen to be a tourist and toting a backpack because you are from, you know, out of town.

Also, take Metro.
You ain’t gonna find parking.

473 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:46:36am

re: #472 Varek Raith

Also, take Metro.
You ain’t gonna find parking.

Yup. Specifically got a hotel on the Metro line for this reason.

474 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:47:09am

re: #472 Varek Raith

Also, take Metro.
You ain’t gonna find parking.

If you look long enough you can find one. It might require lots of walking though.

475 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:47:20am

re: #470 Mostly sane, most of the time.

To go on the WH tour, you have to get tickets from your congressman, then you can take nothing more than a cell phone and keys, and no, they don’t provide storage facilities if you happen to be a tourist and toting a backpack because you are from, you know, out of town.

Don’t you also have to have some form of ID on you? I’d think they’d want a driver’s license or some way of knowing who you are.

476 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:47:36am

re: #393 makeitstop

Couple held at gunpoint, arrested after buying home

Dammit! Those neighbors are stealing my moniker!!!

477 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:47:43am

Fischer: ‘The Environmental Movement is Fundamentally Anti-Human’ and Satanic

That’s why I want you to understand that the environmental movement is fundamentally anti-human, it is fundamentally anti-human. And this bears the imprint of the Father of Lies because the Father of Lies, remember hates human beings. Why? Because we are made in the image of God. He wants to stamp out human beings because we remind him God. Well, environmentalists have the same exact agenda: they want to wipe humanity off the face of the globe. Do not be deceived about this; this is the ultimate goal of the environmentalists.

I thought they wanted clean air, clean water, and sustaining the environment to allow more generations to grow and survive, but it turns out that was all just a cunning ruse to lead us to extinction.

478 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:48:14am

re: #475 Lidane

Don’t you also have to have some form of ID on you? I’d think they’d want a driver’s license or some way of knowing who you are.

Wallet, I believe, yes.

I took one look at the requirements, and decided against it. We did see the helicopter on the lawn, though.

479 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:48:18am

re: #470 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I know the process - it’s just finding time/date that could potentially work, and that they don’t exactly make it easy if you’re a tourist lugging around your gear all day. It’s still worth it. Will have to plan that one out…

480 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:48:32am

re: #475 Lidane

Don’t you also have to have some form of ID on you? I’d think they’d want a driver’s license or some way of knowing who you are.

DL or any other gov’t issued photo ID, yes

481 Flounder  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:50:11am

SARANAC LAKE (AP) — Scat-sniffing dogs are giving Adirondack researchers clues to upstate New York’s moose population.

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com…]

The hard part is getting the dog to stop eating the poo.

482 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:52:06am

re: #467 Simply Sarah

The worst part being that it’s not even actually something astronauts take into space with them. It’s 110% marketing.

Space Food Sticks! At least they really went into space.

Youtube Video

OMG, they’re still available.

483 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:52:23am

re: #469 Kragar

An Outraged Bryan Fischer Issues a List of Demands for Mitt Romney

This is the opening shot in the battle between Mitt and the Socon Republican base.

484 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:53:09am

Tennessee House Passes Bill To Allow Criminal Prosecution For Harming Embryos

I await the first arrest for smoking in the presence of a pregnant woman. Second hand smoke is a killer.

485 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:54:16am

re: #484 Kragar

Tennessee House Passes Bill To Allow Criminal Prosecution For Harming Embryos

I await the first arrest for smoking in the presence of a pregnant woman. Second hand smoke is a killer.

Or charging a bartender for serving an alcoholic drink to a pregnant woman.

486 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:55:43am

re: #485 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Or charging a bartender for serving an alcoholic drink to a pregnant woman.

Thats how she got that way in the 1st place!!

//

487 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:56:17am

re: #484 Kragar

Tennessee House Passes Bill To Allow Criminal Prosecution For Harming Embryos

Best to take all embryos into protective custody to prevent any potential threats to them.

488 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:56:22am

re: #477 Kragar

Fischer: ‘The Environmental Movement is Fundamentally Anti-Human’ and Satanic

So much for man being a steward of nature. Who knew that caring for the environment meant that you were a Satanist?

Also, I’ve never understood the whole fixation on a devil, or demons, or Hell. It doesn’t make sense to me.

I thought they wanted clean air, clean water, and sustaining the environment to allow more generations to grow and survive, but it turns out that was all just a cunning ruse to lead us to extinction.

Ha! Shows what you know. Caring for the environment and wanting clean air, clean water, and conservation are all secret plots to destroy humanity.

489 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:56:44am

re: #485 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Or charging a bartender for serving an alcoholic drink to a pregnant woman.

Better arrest anyone playing loud music near a pregnant woman as well.

490 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:56:45am

MSM picking up on the twitter death threat story
Tweets call for death of Zimmerman, judge in Martin case

491 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:58:14am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

MSM picking up on the twitter death threat story
Tweets call for death of Zimmerman, judge in Martin case

That’s some fucked up shit.

492 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:58:25am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

MSM picking up on the twitter death threat story
Tweets call for death of Zimmerman, judge in Martin case

Those tweets are really pretty standard./

493 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:58:54am

How is this fundamentally different from the policies we’ve had in place for the last three years?

RNC Spokeswoman: Republican Economic Platform Will Be The Bush Program, ‘Just Updated’

494 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 9:59:07am

re: #490 Killgore Trout

MSM picking up on the twitter death threat story
Tweets call for death of Zimmerman, judge in Martin case

Yes,, I just saw that on the local news (WXIA Atlanta is the 11 Alive link you posted)

Until then, I didn’t know it was the judge also. Someone should be getting a knock on their door soon!

495 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:00:14am

re: #491 NJDhockeyfan

That’s some fucked up shit.

I scrolled though some of the twitter feeds. It’s all pretty depressing.

496 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:00:16am

White killer whale adult spotted for first time in wild

Scientists have made what they believe to be the first sighting of an adult white orca, or killer whale.

The adult male, which they have nicknamed Iceberg, was spotted off the coast of Kamchatka in eastern Russia.

It appears to be healthy and leading a normal life in its pod.

White whales of various species are occasionally seen; but the only known white orcas have been young, including one with a rare genetic condition that died in a Canadian aquarium in 1972.

Cool!

497 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:01:15am

re: #496 NJDhockeyfan

It appears to be healthy and leading a normal life in its pod.

Working ,,, going to a movie now and then,,, grocery shopping ,, a little gardening,,,,

498 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:01:48am

Image: earth%20day%20snl.jpg

499 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:04:14am

re: #493 Lidane

How is this fundamentally different from the policies we’ve had in place for the last three years?

RNC Spokeswoman: Republican Economic Platform Will Be The Bush Program, ‘Just Updated’

That’s a winning idea. Tax cuts and high defense spending + ???????= fail.

500 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:04:51am

re: #499 HappyWarrior

That’s a winning idea. Tax cuts and high defense spending + ???= fail.

Image: military.jpg

501 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:05:28am

re: #500 Varek Raith

Image: military.jpg

We’re #1
We’re #1
We’re #1
We’re #1

502 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:05:30am
I await the first arrest for smoking in the presence of a pregnant woman. Second hand smoke is a killer.

Best to take all embryos into protective custody to prevent any potential threats to them.

Better arrest anyone playing loud music near a pregnant woman as well.

Alternately, they arrest the woman for smoking, drinking, and being in a place with loud music.

503 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:06:26am

re: #500 Varek Raith

Image: military.jpg

Yeah we spend a ton. Funny how the supposedly fiscally responsible Republicans ignore that and think the only problem is social spending.

504 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:07:03am

re: #484 Kragar

Tennessee House Passes Bill To Allow Criminal Prosecution For Harming Embryos

I await the first arrest for smoking in the presence of a pregnant woman. Second hand smoke is a killer.

Just imagine when they arrest a woman for drinking a cup of Starbucks coffee while pregnant.

505 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:08:42am

re: #504 Lidane

Just imagine when they arrest a woman for drinking a cup of Starbucks coffee while pregnant.

That alone should be an offense!!

Bleecchhh!
/

506 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:08:55am

Cue the wingnut outrage in 3…2…1…

Dana Rohrabacher, California Rep., Barred From Entering Afghanistan By Hamid Karzai

Afghan President Hamid Karzai may not be able to silence his critics in Washington, but he can stop them from entering his country. On Friday, Karzai barred Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) from traveling to Afghanistan with his fellow congressmen. Rohrabacher, a longtime critic of Karzai, called the move a “pretty desperate” attempt to prevent his views from being aired in front of the Afghan people.

“The nature of his own regime is corrupt and he doesn’t want anyone to be able to say it,” Rohrabacher told The Huffington Post from Qatar, where he was awaiting a flight back to the United States on Monday.

Rohrabacher was scheduled to visit Afghanistan as part of a congressional delegation, which he joined at the last minute when another member of Congress dropped out. But according to Tara Setmayer, Rohrabacher’s communications director, Karzai threatened to bar the entire group if the California Republican attempted to make the trip.

507 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:10:14am

re: #505 sattv4u2

That alone should be an offense!!

Bleecchhh!
/

I never got the attraction of Starbucks. IMHO it’s a triumph of marketing over flavor.

Starbucks always tasted just like 7/11 coffee did, back when 7/11 coffee was abject swill.

508 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:10:39am

Gah. Hit the quote button by accident. Sry.

509 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:10:59am

re: #507 makeitstop

I never got the attraction of Starbucks. IMHO it’s a triumph of marketing over flavor.

Starbucks always tasted just like 7/11 coffee did, back when 7/11 coffee was abject swill.

At least 7/11 coffee is cheap.

510 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:11:44am

re: #507 makeitstop

I never got the attraction of Starbucks. IMHO it’s a triumph of marketing over flavor.

Starbucks always tasted just like 7/11 coffee did, back when 7/11 coffee was abject swill.

Starbucks is expensive and overrated. My wife makes better coffee every morning.

511 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:11:59am

re: #504 Lidane

Just imagine when they arrest a woman for drinking a cup of Starbucks coffee while pregnant.

Is it bad for the baby?

Seriously, I wouldn’t know.

512 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:12:03am

Huntsman on China-GOP comparison: I was “waxing philosophical”

Former presidential candidate Jon Huntsman on Monday clarified remarks he made the previous night comparing the Republican party to communist China, arguing in an appearance on MSNBC that he had merely been “waxing philosophical” and that his comments had been taken out of context.

“You get these blogs out there, you know, Bottom-feeder, Buzzsaw, Buzzfeed, whatever they are [snicker], and they take a sentence out of context and it becomes a headline and pretty soon mainstream newspapers pick up on that,” Huntsman said in an interview with “Morning Joe.”

Buzzfeed reported Sunday night that the former Republican presidential candidate, in an interview at the 92nd Street Y, “took a battle axe to his own party, comparing it to China’s Communist Party and criticizing its standard bearer.”

“I said, you know, if you’re not on-script and you get knocked out of an event like that - the parties are supposed to be big-tent, you’re supposed to bring in all ideas - and I said, I thought for a moment about what they do in China if you’re off-script. The party, they knock you out. We shouldn’t be doing that here, we should be accommodating all voices,” Huntsman said Monday.

[…]

“This is what they do in China on party matters if you talk off script,” Huntsman said of the rescinded invite at the 92nd Street Y Sunday night, according to Buzzfeed.

During the same interview, the former ambassador to China also criticized the GOP candidates broadly for their foreign policy, particularly with respect to the world’s second largest economy — though he did not mention presumptive nominee Mitt Romney by name.

“I don’t know what world these people are living in,” said Huntsman, who backed the former Massachusetts governor immediately after dropping out of the race in January.

Referring to the crop of candidates who shared a debate stage with him last summer, he said he asked himself “is this the best we can do?”

513 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:12:17am

re: #507 makeitstop

I never got the attraction of Starbucks. IMHO it’s a triumph of marketing over flavor.

Starbucks always tasted just like 7/11 coffee did, back when 7/11 coffee was abject swill.

Exactly

They just put one (a Starbucks kiosk) in the chain grocery store I frequent! Right at the entrance, you walk in and all I smell is burnt coffee. Thank God the kiosk isn’t anywhere near the fresh veggie/ meat/ fish/ deli section.

514 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:12:20am

re: #507 makeitstop

I never got the attraction of Starbucks. IMHO it’s a triumph of marketing over flavor.

Oh, definitely. I can’t drink Starbucks at all. It’s terrible. There’s a reason they have to load it down with sweetened syrups, milk, whipped cream, and all sorts of crazy stuff to make it palatable.

Personally, I’m a fan of buying a decent bag of coffee and making it myself with a French press. Way more economical in the long run, and I get better quality stuff.

515 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:12:43am

re: #507 makeitstop

I never got the attraction of Starbucks. IMHO it’s a triumph of marketing over flavor.

Starbucks always tasted just like 7/11 coffee did, back when 7/11 coffee was abject swill.

Starbucks tastes burnt!

I love Gevalia coffee.

516 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:12:51am

I love it - “Buzzsaw, Bottomfeeder, …”

517 Lidane  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:13:19am

re: #511 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Is it bad for the baby?

Seriously, I wouldn’t know.

I’ve been told that caffeine is verboten during pregnancy. I’ve never had kids, so I can’t explain why, but I know my best friend was cranky as hell during each of her pregnancies because she had to drink root beer and decaf coffee.

518 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:13:39am

re: #515 Learned Mother of Zion

Starbucks tastes burnt!

I love Gevalia coffee.

Zaccly,,, from #513,, “you walk in and all I smell is burnt coffee”

519 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:13:39am

Even though there’s a Starbucks in the same development as my office, I just get some before home and once I get to work. Cheaper and just as good.

520 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:13:39am

re: #512 freetoken

Huntsman on China-GOP comparison: I was “waxing philosophical”

He should know better than to say anything that can be used against him by vindictive pinheads.

521 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:14:23am

FWIW:

Here is why mean old Karzai won’t let Dana come surf in Kandahar:

According to the Guardian, Rohrabacher “has been in discussion with Afghan leaders for several months about a less centralised form of government” and Afghan government officials in January criticized Rohrabacher for meeting with Afghan opposition leaders in Berlin.

According to a State Department cable released by Wikileaks, Rohrabacher as early as 2003 pushed Karzai to incorporate more warlords into his government, telling the Afghan president that he preferred “a federalist decentralization of power.” The Guardian reports that Rohrabacher “became personal friends with many of the commanders” fighting the Soviet Union in the 1980s.

Did he ever! Here he is in 1996:

The potential rise to power of the Taliban does not alarm Rohrabacher, because the Taliban could provide stability in an area where chaos was creating a real threat to the U.S. Rohrabacher says that under the previous situation Afghanistan was becoming a major source of drugs and a haven for terrorists “an anarchistic state of narco-terrorism.” In contrast, the Taliban leaders have already shown that they intend to establish a disciplined, moral society.

Rohrabacher calls the sensational media reporting of the “harsh” imposition of strict Islamic behavior, with the underlying implication that this somehow threatens the West, “nonsense.” He says the Taliban are devout traditionalists, not terrorists or revolutionaries, and, in contrast to the Iranians, they do not seem intent on exporting their beliefs.

He continued mooning over them just a few months before the 9/11 attacks.

“On April 11, 2001, Rohrabacher traveled with [Khaled] Saffuri and others from Washington, D.C. to meet in Qatar with Taliban leader Mullah Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil. The regime that was protecting bin Laden from U.S. intelligence operations wanted Rohrabacher to help increase U.S. aid to it, at the time already more than $100 million annually. Rohrabacher emerged from those meetings to tell Middle East news media that the meeting had been “frank and open” and that the Taliban leaders were “thoughtful and inquisitive” as well as “flexible.”

[Link: wonkette.com…]

522 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:14:25am

re: #519 HappyWarrior

Even though there’s a Starbucks in the same development as my office, I just get some before home and once I get to work. Cheaper and just as good.

Lucky you !! {wink wink,, nudge nudge}

523 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:14:37am

I drank wine and coffee throughout each one of my 9 pregnancies, and all I can say, my kids all love wine and coffee.

524 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:14:55am

re: #512 freetoken

Huntsman on China-GOP comparison: I was “waxing philosophical”

Honestly what did he expect? It’s going to raise eyebrows when you compare your party to the CCP.

525 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:15:49am
Understatement of the weekend.

Actually that quote from Charles was the understatement of the week and the original quote was the understatement of the decade.

526 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:15:57am

re: #522 sattv4u2

Lucky you !! {wink wink,, nudge nudge}

Ha good catch. I need more. It sucks here weather wise. Cold and wet is no way to go through life.

527 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:16:04am

What I hated was the no cold medicine, including during nursing.

I’m not a cheerful sufferer.

I whined like a leaky balloon.

528 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:16:04am

I’ve never seen the attraction of coffee. I think maybe I’ve tried a sip a decade, and thats about it.

529 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:17:05am

re: #528 Kragar

I’ve never seen the attraction of coffee. I think maybe I’ve tried a sip a decade, and thats about it.

More into tea?

530 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:18:15am

re: #509 Varek Raith

At least 7/11 coffee is cheap.

And they’ve actually improved their coffee to the point that I’d drink it over Starbucks any day.

But gimme a fresh pot of Bustelo over coffee to go any day.

531 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:18:25am

re: #529 HappyWarrior

More into tea?

Iced, no sugar, heavy lemon.

532 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:18:45am

re: #318 sattv4u2

GUS

You seeing anything like this on Twitter about Zimmerman?

[Link: twitchy.com…]

Again with the random tweets from Michelle Malkin’s site, Twitchy?

What is it about this dumb tactic that appeals to you right wingers?

533 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:19:02am

I make better coffee with Maxwell House than Starbucks ever could.
:P

534 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:19:03am

re: #531 Kragar

Iced, no sugar, heavy lemon.

Only tea I drink is iced tea unless I am ill.

535 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:19:47am

re: #513 sattv4u2

Exactly

They just put one (a Starbucks kiosk) in the chain grocery store I frequent! Right at the entrance, you walk in and all I smell is burnt coffee. Thank God the kiosk isn’t anywhere near the fresh veggie/ meat/ fish/ deli section.

There’s an area in NYC that has three of them on one block.

It’s right by NYU, so I guess that explains it.

536 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:20:38am

re: #531 Kragar

Iced, no sugar, heavy lemon.

Ah smart man.

537 freetoken  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:21:21am

See, I told you it was possible to change the past:


Quantum physics mimics spooky action into the past

538 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:21:29am

Dana and friends: Image: dana-rohrabacher-mujahideen.jpg

539 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:21:55am

re: #532 Charles Johnson

Again with the random tweets from Michelle Malkin’s site, Twitchy?

What is it about this dumb tactic that appeals to you right wingers?

What are you talking about? I saw a headline and opened it. It lists Tweets calling for GZ’s killing. It’s now being picked up by news outlets, including as KT linked, the local NBC Atlanta affiliate

I asked GUS if he saw any tweets of that nature, as I do not have Twitter

540 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:22:42am

He really could be a good Talibani: Image: Rohrabacher_300x200.jpg

541 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:23:02am

re: #539 sattv4u2

What are you talking about? I saw a headline and opened it. It lists Tweets calling for GZ’s killing. It’s now being picked up by news outlets, including as KT linked, the local NBC Atlanta affiliate

I asked GUS if he saw any tweets of that nature, as I do not have Twitter

Twitchy:Twitter::DeadLouse:LittleGreenFootballs

542 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:23:20am

re: #539 sattv4u2

What are you talking about? I saw a headline and opened it. It lists Tweets calling for GZ’s killing. It’s now being picked up by news outlets, including as KT linked, the local NBC Atlanta affiliate

I asked GUS if he saw any tweets of that nature, as I do not have Twitter

I’d appreciate if you’d leave that BS at the wingnut sites where you find it.

543 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:23:36am

re: #535 makeitstop

There’s an area in NYC that has three of them on one block.

It’s right by NYU, so I guess that explains it.

My local Fred Meyer insisted on putting the Hippie section (Organic stuff, homeopathic medicines, and, of course, smelly candles) right near the produce and the bakery.

I’m sensitive to odors, and I’ve always hated smelling, essentially, a soapy perfume-y smell as I’m going to buy bread and apples. Gag.

544 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:24:31am

re: #542 Charles Johnson

I’d appreciate if you’d leave that BS at the wingnut sites where you find it.

Fine. I had no idea what the site was

Please delete 318

545 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:25:26am

re: #515 Learned Mother of Zion

Starbucks in Seattle knows how to brew a good cup of coffee. It can’t do so anywhere else. Maybe it’s due to the Seattle coffee scene and so many better competitors, or the need to burn the heck out of the coffee to make it consistent, or maybe it’s just that the workers at Starbucks don’t clean the gear as well as they should, so the bitter bits stick around from batch to batch.

I’ve had Starbucks roast and brewed it at home and it’s a damned sight better than the stuff in the chain’s stores. That, to me, says it’s a store-problem.

In any event, if I’m on the road, I’ll take either McDonalds or Dunkin’ Donuts over Starbucks every time (or Tim Hortons (hears a who) if I’m heading into New England or Canada). Better, cheaper, and faster.

546 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:26:34am

re: #521 Lukewarm Fusion

My take and I am open to other opinions is that the main and perhaps only reason we are still in Afghanistan is that there needs to be some form of stabling force to keep some semblance of law and order around long enough until the massive mining operations can be established in Afghanistan. Its not a secret that Afghanistan is a treasure trove of elements and scarce metals that the world desparately needs to maintain economic growth and to build a new renewable infrastructure.

The government there is racing to establish the contracts and mining rights for what looks to be a trillion! dollars worth of known reserves. Some might be upset that all those mining contracts are being granted to Chinese and Indian firms, but the fact is that when the mines begin operations, all of the world economy will benefit from the influx of new supplies.

Its naive to think we are still there just to secure freedom of the tribal people. They really don’t need us one way or the other, and and if we were really concerned with freedom and human rights there are dozens of other places we should be sending troops to right now instead of Afghanistan.

Its all about the mining operations. And in the big picture it really is a good cause. Not sure why this isn’t more well known.

547 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:26:51am

re: #545 lawhawk

Starbucks in Seattle knows how to brew a good cup of coffee. It can’t do so anywhere else. Maybe it’s due to the Seattle coffee scene and so many better competitors, or the need to burn the heck out of the coffee to make it consistent, or maybe it’s just that the workers at Starbucks don’t clean the gear as well as they should, so the bitter bits stick around from batch to batch.

I’ve had Starbucks roast and brewed it at home and it’s a damned sight better than the stuff in the chain’s stores. That, to me, says it’s a store-problem.

In any event, if I’m on the road, I’ll take either McDonalds or Dunkin’ Donuts over Starbucks every time (or Tim Hortons (hears a who) if I’m heading into New England or Canada). Better, cheaper, and faster.

Best coffee I ever had was at a WaWa in eastern PA, along the I-80.

548 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:28:01am

re: #521 Lukewarm Fusion

And this all comes just as Afghanistan and the US government finalized a long term strategic relationship deal.

Details of the pact have yet to be released. But over the past year, top generals and Pentagon officials have sketched — in congressional testimony, interviews and forum discussions — an outline of how the U.S. will operate after the accord takes effect, following the departure of most U.S. troops in 2014. U.S. and Afghan troops will live together on joint bases formally operated by the Afghans. The U.S. mission for training Afghan soldiers and police will continue until 2017 or so, although for financial reasons, the size of those Afghan troops under U.S. mentorship will shrink after 2014. Starting immediately, Afghans will have significant if incomplete influence over U.S. commando raids.

But these mentorship missions will not be the most important ones the U.S. executes in Afghanistan after 2014. They’re merely the visible ones. And they’re the cost of getting to the missions the U.S. considers most important.


To be blunt: Afghanistan is valuable to the United States because it’s the most logical place from which to conduct a war in Pakistan that’s primarily fought by armed drones and occasionally special operations forces. It’s not really valuable in and of itself. The U.S. interests in Afghanistan, as defined by the Obama administration, are to keep Afghanistan from internal collapse so al-Qaida doesn’t return. President Hamid Karzai’s government is corrupt? Yawn. Dealing with that is an expensive diversion from the core issue.

The core issue, as the Obama team sees it, is that there’s a residual al-Qaida presence next door, in the Pakistani tribal areas. Because Pakistan won’t let U.S. troops overtly operate on its territory, the U.S. basically needs to rent some nearby property. Afghanistan doesn’t have much to offer the rest of the world — minerals, maybe? — but it has a lot of land abutting Pakistan.

549 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:28:55am

re: #546 Mich-again

I really don’t think the mines have any chance of coming into operation soon. The infrastructure to support them doesn’t exist, the security for them won’t exist.

550 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:29:07am

The other side of the story:

In the years after the Soviets fled Afghanistan in 1989, Rohrabacher says, his “passion” was to bring back the country’s exiled king, Muhammad Zahir Shah, the only figure he believed could unite Afghans. Instead, by 1996, the Taliban had captured Kabul, and Rohrabacher began actively working to undermine them. At one point he hitched a ride in a UN supply plane to the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif with the aim of organizing a coalition of anti-Taliban warlords such as Massoud and the Uzbek militia commander Abdul Rashid Dostum. “I was flying all over the world,” he says. “And I was on my own. You know, I was a real freelancer on that one.”

Indeed, the congressman “was seen as having his own foreign policy,” says Marvin Weinbaum, a former Afghanistan and Pakistan analyst at the State Department and now a scholar at the Middle East Institute. “He saw all sorts of nefarious plots that we were hatching with the Taliban. He was certainly out to discredit the [Clinton] State Department.” Following a 2001 meeting with the Taliban’s foreign minister in Qatar, US critics accused Rohrabacher of breaching the Logan Act, which prohibits American citizens from making unofficial diplomatic overtures.

In the fall of 2001, Rohrabacher’s friend Massoud was assassinated by a pair of Al Qaeda operatives. Upon hearing the news, Rohrabacher wept in his office. Then he phoned the Bush White House in a frenzy: He believed Massoud’s murder was the prelude to a major terrorist attack and requested an immediate audience with then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice. He got an appointment for the next day—September 11.

In the aftermath of the attacks, Rohrabacher was in demand. In meetings with Rice, as well as Pentagon and CIA officials, he says, he argued that the Northern Alliance and a small US team should oust the Taliban—the more heavy-handed operation favored by some military leaders wouldn’t work. Rohrabacher’s aides, meanwhile, worked the phones with their Afghan contacts, gathering intelligence on the Taliban’s movements. “I had everybody’s sat-phone number,” says Al Santoli, a former foreign policy aide to Rohrabacher. “I spent as much time at the Pentagon as I did in the congressional office.”

[Link: motherjones.com…]

551 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:30:07am

re: #547 Learned Mother of Zion

WaWa makes a good cup of coffee (and they’ve got a whole selection of flavored coffees too - their mochas have extra caffeine too). Thanks for reminding me :)

552 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:31:18am

re: #549 Obdicut

I really don’t think the mines have any chance of coming into operation soon. The infrastructure to support them doesn’t exist, the security for them won’t exist.

I disagree. The Chinese are grabbing up mining rights left and right. They are not known for being mere speculators. Wait and watch. Its not that hard to secure a perimeter once established. Especially when you have a near unlimited number of security guards.

553 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:32:30am

re: #551 lawhawk

WaWa makes a good cup of coffee (and they’ve got a whole selection of flavored coffees too - their mochas have extra caffeine too). Thanks for reminding me :)

Reminds me of Sienfeld,,, Kramer ordering Chinese food,, wants extra MSG!

554 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:34:04am

re: #547 Learned Mother of Zion

Best coffee I ever had was at a WaWa in eastern PA, along the I-80.

When I lived in Flagstaff, Arizona in the mid 80’s, there were Macyites and LaBellavians among coffee afficionados. Macy’s coffee shop sold fancy blends for a buck fifty a cup and upwards, no refills. LaBellaVia sold a bottomless cup for 75 cents.

I never went into mcy’s unless I had a date who wanted to go there…

555 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:34:20am

GOP elite holds off the tea partiers

The 2012 meeting of the Republican national command shows just how little has actually changed in the Grand Old Party since the tea-party movement helped Republicans capture the U.S. House majority two years ago and announced that they were a powerful force in American politics.

While tea-party activists have won county chairmanships and seats on state central committees, few (if any) activists have clinched slots on the Republican Party’s 168-member governing committee. That’s not to say that tea-partiers have disappeared or that they won’t get their moment in the sun — but it may take years for them to climb the party ladder the same way as everyone else.

GOP elders sympathize with the movement’s ideas and want to channel whatever energy the decentralized groups offer for November. But when asked about the tea-party’s influence in interviews here, the movement was always spoken of in the third person and as one constituency in the larger Republican coalition, sort of like defense hawks or fiscal conservatives.

Youtube Video
556 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:34:33am

re: #552 Mich-again

It’s not just a perimeter you have to create, unless you’re teleporting the stuff you take out of there. The entire supply line has to be protected. And the infrastructure would have to be built.

It may happen, but it’ll surprise the hell out of me if it actually becomes viable.

557 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:35:59am

re: #553 sattv4u2

Reminds me of Sienfeld,,, Kramer ordering Chinese food,, wants extra MSG!

When I worked at an internet company in the late 90s, we used to order Krank2O (caffeinated water) and brew our coffee with it.

14-hour days were not uncommon in that shop, and no one seemed to mind if they had the coffee.

558 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:36:17am

re: #548 lawhawk

And this all comes just as Afghanistan and the US government finalized a long term strategic relationship deal.

Afghanistan has a lot of mineral resources, but it lacks the physical, economic and political infrastructure to give anyone an incentive to pursue extracting them…

559 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:37:13am

re: #556 Obdicut

It’s not just a perimeter you have to create, unless you’re teleporting the stuff you take out of there. The entire supply line has to be protected. And the infrastructure would have to be built.

It may happen, but it’ll surprise the hell out of me if it actually becomes viable.

The supply chain is always the traditional weak point for any undertaking.

560 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:38:05am

re: #557 makeitstop

When I worked at an internet company in the late 90s, we used to order Krank2O (caffeinated water) and brew our coffee with it.

14-hour days were not uncommon in that shop, and no one seemed to mind if they had the coffee.

That’s what our place is

We go through a LOT of coffee. I’ll have to look into the Krank2o. Does it give you the jitters when added to coffee?

561 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:38:38am

Classy! /

Defense of enhanced interrogation

On April 17, 2007, while defending the Bush administration’s program of extraordinary rendition. During a House hearing on trans-atlantic relations, Rohrabacher stated that the unfair treatment of one innocent suspect is an acceptable “unfortunate consequence” of holding others who would otherwise be free to commit terror acts. After he received boos and groans from the gallery, Rohrabacher responded, “Well, I hope it’s your families, I hope it’s your families that suffer the consequences”, and “I hope it’s your family members that die”. Rohrabacher was subsequently interrupted by protesters wearing orange jumpsuits who were removed from the gallery. For his comment that imprisoning and torturing one innocent person was a fair price to pay for locking up 50 terrorists who would “go out and plant a bomb and kill 20,000 people,” Rohrabacher was named Countdown with Keith Olbermann’s “Worst Person in the World” on April 25.[49][50]

562 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:39:52am

Egypt will not license eight US NGOs

Egypt has refused to license eight US civil groups, including the election-monitoring Carter Center, amid a crackdown on foreign NGOs and a month before presidential polls, state media reported Monday.

Should they continue operating, the groups would be “subject to Egyptian law” which bans non-governmental organizations from operating without licenses or from receiving foreign funds, the official MENA news agency reported.

The news agency quoted a government source as saying it refused to license the groups because their activities were “inconsistent with the state’s sovereignty on its lands.”

563 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:40:04am

re: #553 sattv4u2

Reminds me of Sienfeld,,, Kramer ordering Chinese food,, wants extra MSG!

I am in week two of a work stint in Thailand. And after haveing eaten bland Chinese food every so often back in the States, I’ll opt for the Thai food every time from now on. Kinda the same thing only completely different. it has real flavor and a bite, not just an OK I’m full now review..

564 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:42:35am

re: #563 Mich-again

I am in week two of a work stint in Thailand. And after haveing eaten bland Chinese food every so often back in the States, I’ll opt for the Thai food every time from now on. Kinda the same thing only completely different. it has real flavor and a bite, not just an OK I’m full now review..

Yeah ,, I can’t do the American “Chinese Food’ anymore either

565 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:44:20am

How WWII codes on Twitter thwarted French vote law

The #RadioLondres hashtag was the top France trend on Twitter during the first-round presidential vote, in homage to World War II codes broadcast to Resistance fighters in Nazi-occupied France from the BBC in London.

But French citizens have written a new codebook in a subversive bid to get round laws that mean anyone announcing vote predictions before polls closed at 8:00 pm (1800 GMT) could be fined up to 75,000 euros (100,000 dollars).

“Tune in to #RadioLondres so as not to know the figures we don’t want to know before 8:00 pm,” said one ironic tweet.

566 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:46:14am

re: #564 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, I can’t do the American “Chinese Food’ anymore either

Americanized Japanese food is right out.

Yes, I’m looking at you “authentic” Japanese steakhouse.

567 Kragar  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:47:39am

Concerned Women for America not that concerned about women in America

The far-right group Concerned Women for America has continued its campaign against the Violence Against Women Act, calling it “a boondoggle for feminists” and alleging that it supports the “homosexual agenda” by ensuring that LGBT victims aren’t turned away from shelters. Republicans in Congress have been working to block reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, even though the law has been a success in helping spouses report domestic abuse and incidences of domestic violence have been on the decline since it was signed into law.

568 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:47:43am

re: #558 Expand Your Ground

Afghanistan has a lot of mineral resources, but it lacks the physical, economic and political infrastructure to give anyone an incentive to pursue extracting them…

Except for India and China. Two nations with a billion or so people. Really? Does anyone think some taliban here and there are going to stop China from getting their money out of the mining rights they outbid India for. The Silk Road is right there. I think the Taliban will think twice or three times about F*ing with the Chinese supply routes. Anyway, we’ll see how it all works out. Like I said, its not a news secret that the government of Afghanistan is awarding mining contracts left and right. I’m just surprised no one seems to see that this in all likelihood has a lot to do with why we are still there long after we left Iraq.

569 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:49:30am

re: #568 Mich-again

the Taliban will think twice or three times about F*ing with the Chinese

is awarding ming contracts

A dynasty in the making!?!?!

//

570 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:49:58am

re: #567 Kragar

Concerned Women for America not that concerned about women in America

CWA has a long history of homophobia.I guess it’s “enabling” homosexuality if you think LGBT women shouldn’t be turned away. Goddamn bigots.

571 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:50:16am

re: #560 sattv4u2

That’s what our place is

We go through a LOT of coffee. I’ll have to look into the Krank2o. Does it give you the jitters when added to coffee?

Yeah, it did. We got used to it after a while, though.

572 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:50:42am

re: #564 sattv4u2

Good Thai and Vietnamese food will trump “chinese” food any day of the week… Less reliance on heavy sauces and jam packed with flavor.

573 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:51:30am

re: #564 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, I can’t do the American “Chinese Food’ anymore either

You know the stupid meme where people post a picture of a meal they are about to eat to show the world how good it looks? Yesterday I emailed wifey a picture of a plate I cleaned off just so she could see how good whatever it was really was. ha

574 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 10:57:23am

Ah well

wifeys and sons cars aren’t going to change their own oil, no matter how long I procrastinate

BBL

575 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 11:03:17am

re: #556 Obdicut

It’s not just a perimeter you have to create, unless you’re teleporting the stuff you take out of there. The entire supply line has to be protected. And the infrastructure would have to be built.

It may happen, but it’ll surprise the hell out of me if it actually becomes viable.

Which pretty much will be rail I suspect. You could arguably think about moving large amounts of ore a fair distance by truck, but that is generally special operations and very well-maintained road beds even then. (Plus, if you’re moving by truck you’re going to draw bandits (or equivalent) after parts, fuel, etc.

So, given that, what is the current state of Afghanistan’s rail network, and does it extend to the proposed mining locations?

576 Mich-again  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 11:12:39am

re: #575 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Start reading here at Wikipedia to get a flavor.. Like I said, its not a big secret..

577 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 23, 2012 11:24:53am

re: #318 sattv4u2

GUS

You seeing anything like this on Twitter about Zimmerman?

[Link: twitchy.com…]

Right wing talking point parrot.

It’s never been more obvious.


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