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1 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:02:45pm

Gawd, I love this President LOL

2 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:02:47pm

"I was just relieved to find out this wasn't a GSA conference."

I laughed out loud.

3 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:05:22pm

OH NO HE DIDN'T!!!!!!

4 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:08:56pm

Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.

5 Lidane  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:09:56pm

re: #4 rwmofo

LOL you for thinking that we have left-wing economic policies in place now.

6 Batman  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:10:54pm

re: #4 rwmofo

Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.

But the Clinton economy was just a delayed reaction to Reaganomics!

7 Artist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:11:14pm

re: #4 rwmofo

Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.

Atleast try and post something that resembles reality.

8 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:11:41pm

re: #4 rwmofo

Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.

What lessons were we supposed to learn from 2001-2009, mofo?

9 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:12:42pm

re: #4 rwmofo

Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.

The economy has been under recovery despite the consequences of right wing policies. You can thank the first Black President for that.

10 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:13:15pm

re: #6 Batman

But the Clinton economy was just a delayed reaction to Reaganomics!

Agreed. I'll admit that when the Republican congress crammed the balanced budget down Clinton's throat, that was a good thing.

11 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:13:56pm

"I had a lot more material prepared, but I have to get the Secret Service home in time for their new curfew."

12 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:14:57pm

re: #8 Assemble!

What lessons were we supposed to learn from 2001-2009, mofo?

MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?

13 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:15:40pm

OMG Kimmel segment LOL.

14 Batman  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:16:01pm

re: #12 rwmofo

MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?

Bwahahahahahah. Gas prices here have been stable since 2004. That is to say, very high.

15 Artist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:16:21pm

re: #12 rwmofo

MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?

The president does not control gas prices.

16 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:16:59pm

re: #12 rwmofo

MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?

Did you forget the massive recession we just went through, that started under a right wing president well into his second term?

You're dense, to put it politely.

17 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:17:17pm

re: #12 rwmofo

MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?

You realize oil is a global commodity, right?

I like how deficits didn't matter until Obama took office, by the way. Nice way to avoid that issue.

18 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:18:36pm

Douchey McDoucherson

19 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:19:48pm

re: #15 Sonic the Hedgehog

The president does not control gas prices.

Unless they're really high and the President is Republican, right?

20 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:20:04pm

re: #14 Batman

Bwahahahahahah. Gas prices here have been stable since 2004. That is to say, very high.

You do realize we will never have cheap gas again? Right?

21 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:20:13pm

re: #10 rwmofo

Agreed. I'll admit that when the Republican congress crammed the balanced budget down Clinton's throat, that was a good thing.

Latent teh ghey reference there. Let's raise the discussion to testicle analogies.

22 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:20:21pm

re: #16 Kronocide

Did you forget the massive recession we just went through, that started under a right wing president well into his second term?

You're dense, to put it politely.

You think this is bad? Check out the dead-thread derp he left here. Aggressively, willfully stupid idiot thinks forced vaginal probes, waiting periods, and giving employers the right to "morally" object to ANY medical procedure are just fine and dandy, because durr hurr, we right-wingers didn't literally declare a war on women!

23 Artist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:20:34pm

re: #19 rwmofo

Unless they're really high and the President is Republican, right?

Wrong. I did not imply this at all.

24 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:22:02pm

LOL The Chris Christie stuff was funny!

25 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:22:03pm

re: #19 rwmofo

Unless they're really high and the President is Republican, right?

Very good. So does the President have control over gas prices or not?

26 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:22:40pm

re: #9 Kronocide

The economy has been under recovery despite the consequences of right wing policies. You can thank the first Black President for that.

If we had gone the total austerity path we would be like European countries wondering why dramatic cuts to government haven't revived the economy and out GDP is shrinking.

Austerity is bullshit.

27 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:22:41pm

re: #16 Kronocide

Did you forget the massive recession we just went through, that started under a right wing president well into his second term?

You're dense, to put it politely.

No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.

28 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:23:34pm

re: #27 rwmofo

No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.

It's the fucking WHCD roast and you're here taking a big old dump. Pardon my French but why don't you go fuck yourself.

29 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:23:49pm

re: #27 rwmofo

No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.

No point, you wingnuts are immune to facts anyway.

30 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:24:00pm

re: #22 Interesting Times

Wow, doing the Douchey Dance there. Smells like a flounce coming on.

Troll gonna troll.

31 Artist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:24:10pm

re: #27 rwmofo

No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.

You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

32 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:24:34pm

re: #27 rwmofo

No supporting data

Here's some supporting data I'm more than happy to shove down your throat. Choke on this too.

33 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:25:08pm

Bleh

34 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:25:12pm

re: #27 rwmofo

No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.

You seriously think that Romney is going to do better than Obama? I hate to think what this country would have looked like if McCain won.

35 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:26:02pm

Boom!

36 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:26:07pm

re: #34 What, me worry?

You seriously think that Romney is going to do better than Obama? I hate to think what this country would have looked like if McCain won.

He would have had a heart attack and President Palin would be running the show.

37 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:26:37pm

re: #27 rwmofo

No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.

You have no supporting data. You blamed high unemployment on Obama completely ignoring the fact that a major recession started under Bush and was well under way. This is not even disputable, but in your case it's forgettable. Did you forget, or are you purposely ignoring this well know fact?

I don't think all the facts have any relation to your rhetoric or your reality.

38 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:27:33pm

re: #20 moderatelyradicalliberal

You do realize we will never have cheap gas again? Right?

Yeah, just concede defeat without even trying to solve the problem - a problem which can be easily addressed.

39 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:27:45pm

Maddow is correct!

40 Artist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:27:55pm

re: #38 rwmofo

Yeah, just concede defeat without even trying to solve the problem - a problem which can be easily addressed.

Incorrect again.

41 allegro  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:28:39pm

re: #38 rwmofo

Yeah, just concede defeat without even trying to solve the problem - a problem which can be easily addressed.

Hmmm, lemme guess... drill, baby, drill? I guess you missed the part about drilling INCREASING under Obama, right?

42 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:29:19pm

Cheap gas? Drill baby, drill! Problem fixed you pussies.

Cheap gas is a problem.

43 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:29:20pm

re: #8 Assemble!

What lessons were we supposed to learn from 2001-2009, mofo?

That if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing. If a poor person is given something the are leaches on society.

44 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:29:32pm

re: #36 moderatelyradicalliberal

No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."

45 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:30:24pm

re: #38 rwmofo

Yeah, just concede defeat without even trying to solve the problem - a problem which can be easily addressed.

Oil is a finite resource moron. That means it runs out eventually. As more and more people use it it runs out faster, becomes harder to procure and gets more expensive. Gas was 99 cents a gallon 15 years ago that will never be true again. Get over it.

46 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:30:46pm

re: #44 rwmofo

No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."

lol Let me guess. Shoot the poor? You know you want to.

47 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:31:30pm

re: #41 allegro

Hmmm, lemme guess... drill, baby, drill? I guess you missed the part about drilling INCREASING under Obama, right?

I assume you're talking about the one that Obama is currently blocking.

48 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:31:47pm

Unleash the private sector? I think this is more about unleashing the corporate theocracy. Stupid dupes believing in libertardian claptrap.

49 allegro  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:31:47pm

re: #46 What, me worry?

lol Let me guess. Shoot the poor? You know you want to.

I suppose that is more humane then slow starvation and dying from easily treatable diseases.

50 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:32:30pm

re: #47 rwmofo

I assume you're talking about the one that Obama is currently blocking.

MOAR JOBZ FOR CANADIANS!

51 allegro  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:33:03pm

re: #47 rwmofo

I assume you're talking about the one that Obama is currently blocking.

Dude, you realize that he can't block Canada from drilling, don't you?

52 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:33:09pm

re: #12 rwmofo

MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?

Were you saying that at the time(s) under Bush when gasoline was averaging $4.09 a gal. nationally? Bush said he had no magic wand to bring the price down. Do you think Obama has that wand and is refusing to use it?

53 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:33:14pm

re: #44 rwmofo

No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."

Who the fuck is "we"? Are you the owner of a billionaire? Do you own a multi national corporation? Damn you wingnuts are stupid. You like policies that benefit the 1% because you actually think you are a part of the 1%. You think you are a member of the club.

LOL @ the wingnut!

54 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:33:52pm

re: #47 rwmofo

I assume you're talking about the one that Obama is currently blocking.

Oil production has increased under Obama despite Keystone being blocked. Can you reconcile those two facts?

55 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:34:02pm

re: #46 What, me worry?

lol Let me guess. Shoot the poor? You know you want to.

Go ahead. What else do you have to add here? Run with this one.

56 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:35:33pm

I feel like I'm talking to a right wing radio show, not a real person.

Is this some kind of Ayn Rand App put out by the JBS?

57 allegro  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:36:40pm

re: #56 Kronocide

I feel like I'm talking to a right wing radio show, not a real person.

Is this some kind of Ayn Rand App put out by the JBS?

Must be. It just spews lies and misdirects. Never responds to the facts destroying them.

58 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:39:00pm

Oh look, Koch brothers talking-point-spouting troll rwmofo is too gutless to respond to this:

The bill to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act of 1994 has passed the Senate, and every single Senator who voted against it was a Republican man.

Typical right-winger :P

59 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:41:40pm

re: #55 rwmofo

Go ahead. What else do you have to add here? Run with this one.

Sorry you didn't get my point. Moderatelyradicaliberal got it with her 1% comment. But it's ok. I know you guys aren't so quick on the uptake.

60 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:42:02pm

Responding to points by not responding to them and making new points.

When those are responded to make new points.

Don't ever stick to a point and talk it through.

ADD Debate

61 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:42:49pm

rwmofo = the Eric Cartman of LGF

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:43:32pm

re: #4 rwmofo

Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.

up yours, limpdick :D

63 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:44:03pm

re: #61 Kronocide

rwmofo = the Eric Cartman of LGF

Fuck you guys, I'm goin' 'ome!

64 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:44:27pm

re: #55 rwmofo

Go ahead. What else do you have to add here? Run with this one.

Kiss your picture of Ronald Reagan before bed

65 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:44:29pm

re: #12 rwmofo

MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?

Is there some mental malfunction you have that causes you to post things so DERPy that even other conservatives have to downding you?

66 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:44:31pm

re: #43 RayFerd

That if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing. If a poor person is given something the are leaches on society.

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."

This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

67 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:45:13pm

re: #4 rwmofo

Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.

And if not, just blame it on Obama, right? "We'd have the economy booming, if not for these damned Democrats!"

68 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:45:19pm

re: #61 Kronocide

rwmofo = the Eric Cartman of LGF

That's unfair: Eric Cartman has actual friends.

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:46:25pm

re: #66 rwmofo

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."

This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

On the internet, all trolls are cosmically successful :D

pull reagan's dick, mine's not for sale!

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:46:52pm

GUYS I HAVE THREE DEGREES ALSO I'M A NEUROSURGEON VOTE REPUBLICAN!

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:47:13pm

I HAVE AN ARSENAL OF WEAPONS IN MY MANSION AND THREE LAMBORGHINIS VOTE REPUBLICAN

72 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:47:33pm

re: #66 rwmofo

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."

This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

What do you do for work?

73 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:47:35pm

re: #66 rwmofo

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."

This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

Oh, you poor dears, so put upon. How ungrateful we are, the great unwashed masses who get told that we're not paying enough taxes and thinking that we should have some sort of security if we should fall or for our twilight years. How awful we are for thinking that a CEO should not be able to pay a lower tax rate than his secretary.

///

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:47:43pm

LET ME LINK YOU TO A PICTURE OF MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE PLAYBOY WATERMARK

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:48:07pm

GUYS I AM A VERY IMPORTANT REPUBLICAN BUSINESSMAN YOU SHOULD TOTALLY TRUST ME BECAUSE I MAKE A LOT OF SENSE

76 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:48:59pm

re: #66 rwmofo

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
[snip]
But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

You're a 1%? Hanging out here on a Saturday night? Cool. At least you aren't out fucking someone over. Did you at least go out to dinner and make fun of leaving a .10 tip to those overpaid waitstaff?

77 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:49:14pm

re: #66 rwmofo

Would you please get rid of that Reagan avatar? He was a man of good sense, good sense you mock by associating your nuttiness with his memory.

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:49:21pm

I PROP UP THE BUSINESS WORLD AND BRING PROSPERITY TO THOUSANDS


BELIEVE EVERY WORD I SAY EVEN THOUGH I AM JUST SOME ANONYMOUS GUY ON A BLOG, I AM VERY TRUSTWORTHY VOTE REPUBLICAN

79 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:49:39pm

re: #66 rwmofo

Oh... rich people work their asses off. Poor people don't.

Not to mention, you seem to know a lot about left wingers.

Did you learn this in college, or somewhere else?

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:50:05pm

BUY GOLD

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:51:29pm

re: #66 rwmofo

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."

This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

TELL US ABOUT YOUR BEAUTIFUL WIFE!!!

82 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:52:23pm

re: #81 windupbird is in the gravity well

TELL US ABOUT YOUR BEAUTIFUL WIFE!!!

SKILZ!

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:52:41pm

he puts in extra hours, nights and weekends!


you hear that? holy shit! worship His Immaculate Nutsack!

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:52:51pm

re: #82 Gus

SKILZ!

I GOT ME A DEGREEEE!!!

85 allegro  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:53:04pm

re: #66 rwmofo

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."

This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

Only six years and one Masters? Slacker.

86 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:53:18pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Would you please get rid of that Reagan avatar? He was a man of good sense, good sense you mock by associating your nuttiness with his memory.

Don't waste your energy worrying over the notion that I might care what you think. I'll do what I want, dickhead.

87 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:53:31pm

re: #84 windupbird is in the gravity well

I GOT ME A DEGREEE!!!

That man has a duhgree...

88 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:11pm

re: #86 rwmofo

Don't waste your energy worrying over the notion that I might care what you think. I'll do what I want, dickhead.

I DO WHAT I WANT!

See. It is Cartman.

89 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:16pm

re: #86 rwmofo

Don't waste your energy worrying over the notion that I might care what you think. I'll do what I want, dickhead.

Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?

90 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:26pm

re: #86 rwmofo

Don't waste your energy worrying over the notion that I might care what you think. I'll do what I want, dickhead.

IS HE ALSO A "MOFO"? :D :D

91 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:35pm

re: #72 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

What do you do for work?

Indeed, I'd love to know what sort of back-breaking labor this poor MBA does, that he feels so set-upon by us common folk. Need to know the right type of cheese to go with the whine.

92 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:41pm

re: #89 Assemble!

Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?

lawls

93 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:46pm

I love when stupid morons point out to the rest of us that they went to college and got an MBA.

Masters in Bullshit Atavism

Must have flunked Critical Thinking and Debate.

94 allegro  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:47pm

re: #89 Assemble!

Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?

Attention. It does do that right.

95 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:55:06pm

RWMOFO ->

96 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:55:31pm

re: #92 rwmofo

lawls

Ah, a shit-stirring troll with delusions of grandeur. You assholes are dime a dozen.

97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:55:31pm

re: #89 Assemble!

Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?

an audience!

AN AUDIENCE TO TELL ALL ABOUT HIS AMAZING EXPLOITS


I GOT ME A CAR WITH LARGE RIMS, I AM A "MOFO"

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:56:02pm

re: #92 rwmofo

lawls

IS THAT "INTERNET SLANG"????

99 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:56:20pm

re: #89 Assemble!

Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?

Ridicule and scorn. It's cheaper here than going down to the S&M parlor downtown.

100 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:56:56pm

HE'LL DO WHAT HE WANTS ON SOMEONE ELSE'S BLOG, HE'S MOFONALD MOFEAGAN!


GUYS, THIS IS A VERY VALUABLE HUMAN, HE HAS A DEGREE AND WORKS NIGHTS!!!

101 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:57:13pm

re: #92 rwmofo

lawls

Well, you surely provide plenty of them, or more accurately, WindUpBird produces the laughter by mocking you.

102 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:57:43pm

Rightwingmotherfucker, at least divulge the type of job you do.

All of us have. Defense contractor? Hedge fund manager? Landscape manager for a school district (nah) Lawyer? (nah) psychologist? (maybe) or WHAT? Seriously you just drop bombs on this blog, you need to let us know more. Or you're toast.

103 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:57:48pm

re: #92 rwmofo

lawls

Troll and proud of it. Good for you, mofo! Good for you!

104 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:57:53pm

re: #66 rwmofo

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."

This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

tell us what car you drive


you know you want to!

105 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:58:03pm

I love it when 'educated' folk are fucking destroyed by the poor peasants with little effort.

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:58:32pm

re: #66 rwmofo

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."

This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

do you have a beautiful house?

107 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:58:47pm

re: #105 Kronocide

I love it when 'educated' folk are fucking destroyed by the poor peasants with little effort.

Like I said downstairs, nothing is quite as disheartening as watching somebody think they sound "smart" when all they really sound like is a well-educated idiot.

108 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:59:14pm

rwmofo = Palooka

Palooka will battle anyone, anytime, anywhere - he seems to love it, even though he always takes a beating. After a terrific pounding at the hands of, for example, Kung-Fu Master, he'll just struggle to his feet and wobble back into the ring. His astonishing ability to absorb punishment leads one to suspect that during his long Warrior career Palooka has taken a few too many punches. Often, as an act of mercy, Nanny will step in to stop the fight.

109 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:59:25pm

re: #82 Gus

SKILZ!

Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?

110 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:59:59pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Like I said downstairs, nothing is quite as disheartening as watching somebody think they sound "smart" when all they really sound like is a well-educated idiot.

It's not clear Mr Mofo, if that is his real name, is actually educated.

Minor Quibble... carry on.

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:00:13pm

re: #109 rwmofo

Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?

HE IS A MOFO!!!

HE DOES NOT TAKE THE QUESTIONS, HE DEALS THEM OUT!!

112 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:00:20pm

re: #109 rwmofo

Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?

What bridge do you hide under, mofo?

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:00:47pm

re: #109 rwmofo

Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?

AM I A SPORT??

OR AM I A TIGER???

HOW ABOUT A CHAMP?? PERHAPS WE ARE "CHAMPS"???

MAYBE A "KIDDO"?

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:01:06pm

re: #109 rwmofo

Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?

LET US MEASURE OUR PENISES!!!!!!

115 Artist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:01:31pm

re: #109 rwmofo

Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?

Lovable goofiness.

116 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:01:34pm

re: #114 windupbird is in the gravity well

LET US MEASURE OUR PENISES!!!

Don't get me started!

//

117 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:01:48pm

re: #113 windupbird is in the gravity well

AM I A SPORT??

OR AM I A TIGER???

HOW ABOUT A CHAMP?? PERHAPS WE ARE "CHAMPS"???

MAYBE A "KIDDO"?

Heh. I don't know. You tell me.

118 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:01:54pm

re: #109 rwmofo

Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?

A 16 inch dick. Yourself?

119 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:01:54pm

re: #110 Kronocide

It's not clear Mr Mofo, if that is his real name, is actually educated.

Minor Quibble... carry on.

That's always the problem with trolls, even the most "intelligent" sounding ones might just be regurgitating what they read at Heritage.

120 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:10pm

YOU MEAN LIBTARDS STOP NAME-CALLING RWMOFO! HE IS VERY BUSY ELECTORALLY FELLATING THE MEN WHO TAKE AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHTS!

121 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:12pm

SALUTE THE INTERNET BUSINESSMAN

EVERY TROLL IS BILLED AT THE HOURLY RATE

122 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:17pm

re: #114 windupbird is in the gravity well

LET US MEASURE OUR PENISES!!!

I didn't sign up for this! I just wanted to post stupid comments on a blog!!

123 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:36pm

re: #117 rwmofo

Heh. I don't know. You tell me.

You ignored my question. Why?

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:37pm

re: #117 rwmofo

Heh. I don't know. You tell me.

YOU ARE THE AUTHORITY!!!!!!

125 allegro  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:43pm

re: #114 windupbird is in the gravity well

LET US MEASURE OUR PENISES!!!

Dammit, you just made me spit perfectly lovely Merlot. Such a waste. Bad bird, bad.

126 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:03:04pm

re: #125 allegro

Dammit, you just made me spit perfectly lovely Merlot. Such a waste. Bad bird, bad.

hahahaha I'm sorry ^_^

127 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:03:22pm

I interrupt this pile-on to deliver the following rant:

Do you suppose that before you decide to fertilize with manure on a Saturday afternoon, you might just let the neighbors know, just in case they were planning on, oh, I don't know, using their back yard right then?

128 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:03:28pm

re: #109 rwmofo

Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?

At the very least, Gus does not contribute vapid derp. Objectively reviewing the record, Gus creates lots of actual Pages.

You create derp. A whole lot of it.

Now that I answered your question, counter with Obama stopped Keystone.

129 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:03:55pm

re: #127 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I interrupt this pile-on to deliver the following rant:

Do you suppose that before you decide to fertilize with manure on a Saturday afternoon, you might just let the neighbors know, just in case they were planning on, oh, I don't know, using their back yard right then?

Yeah, I think it might be nice to give the neighbors a heads-up.

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:03:55pm

re: #125 allegro

Dammit, you just made me spit perfectly lovely Merlot. Such a waste. Bad bird, bad.

but I can't stop!

HE CANNOT STOP ADDICTED TO THE SHINDIG

131 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:04:09pm

re: #118 Gus

A 16 inch dick. Yourself?

Ha!!! I hope you're paid accordingly. Union dues must be a bitch!

132 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:04:11pm

re: #106 windupbird is in the gravity well

do you have a beautiful house?

You're asking about his beautiful house, his large automobile, and his beautiful wife? At this rate oyur next question will be: "How did you get here?"

133 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:04:32pm

re: #127 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I interrupt this pile-on to deliver the following rant:

Do you suppose that before you decide to fertilize with manure on a Saturday afternoon, you might just let the neighbors know, just in case they were planning on, oh, I don't know, using their back yard right then?

Join in! It's fun! Don't feel bad... he's a mofo! He can take it!

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:04:37pm

re: #128 Kronocide

At the very least, Gus does not contribute vapid derp. Objectively reviewing the record, Gus creates lots of actual Pages.

You create derp. A whole lot of it.

Now that I answered your question, counter with Obama stopped Keystone.

CCHHHAAAPPPAAAAQUIIDDDDDIIIICCCCCKKKKKKK

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:04:46pm

re: #131 rwmofo

Ha!!! I hope you're paid accordingly. Union dues must be a bitch!

chappaquiddick

136 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:05:06pm

re: #114 windupbird is in the gravity well

LET US MEASURE OUR PENISES!!!

Long as an MBA, bigger around than a PhD. With Grad School nutz to round out my Mega Sack.

137 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:05:30pm

re: #128 Kronocide

At the very least, Gus does not contribute vapid derp. Objectively reviewing the record, Gus creates lots of actual Pages.

You create derp. A whole lot of it.

Now that I answered your question, counter with Obama stopped Keystone.

Keystone, the greatest GOP excuse for an actual issue that I've seen in awhile. TransCanada's lobbyist money is definitely well spent.

138 Digital Display  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:05:56pm

Hi Lizards! Halftime Report
I had just the most awesome day today..Got invited to a BBQ in the country to watch Basketball..( Moose Connection )
1) When they say a BBQ in the Country in Oklahoma..They ain't shitting you..)
2) I'm not sure what is bigger..A Texas or Oklahoma BBQ..But we could have fed a small African Nation Today..
3) It was great hanging out with a bunch of guys rooting about sports and trash talking and having a great time..It was a great time..Some body would say, ' Fuck you and the Pacers Hoopster!' And we all would be laughing. I really miss those days and these folks are great..
4) Crazy food..I think there was every food available including every kind of Link, brats..sausage whatever..I don't eat that shit but they had different hot links and one so hot it made men cry..After so many beers I kind of tasted one..just a tad and my lips started burning..
So I brought a ton of food home including a tad of the hot link..
This is going to be funny..I'm going to put in on the floor and see if Winston eats it..Maybe put him on Youtube running around screaming..Hey Winston! You're a Mexican Dog! Get over it! Here try some Milk Winston! ( Evil Laugh )
I have the most spoiled dog in the world.. I have to get him back somehow..
/

139 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:06:07pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

pause for musicdorkiness: the mixing on talking heads records is fantastic

140 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:06:28pm

re: #131 rwmofo

Ha!!! I hope you're paid accordingly. Union dues must be a bitch!

Did you see my post rwmotherfucker?

141 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:06:44pm

re: #131 rwmofo

Ha!!! I hope you're paid accordingly. Union dues must be a bitch!

You're just annoyed that you can't attend any union functions. Like most social occasions, they exclude nonsense spouting jerks who are too drunk on rage to know they're being laughed at.

142 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:06:45pm

re: #128 Kronocide

At the very least, Gus does not contribute vapid derp. Objectively reviewing the record, Gus creates lots of actual Pages.

You create derp. A whole lot of it.

Now that I answered your question, counter with Obama stopped Keystone.

Thank you very much.

[Bows]

143 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:06:46pm

re: #136 Kronocide

Long as an MBA, bigger around than a PhD. With Grad School nutz to round out my Mega Sack.

TURGID WITH ACHIEVEMENT!!!

144 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:07:26pm

re: #117 rwmofo

Heh. I don't know. You tell me.

"Spanky" is always good. Kinda gives you the 7th grade giggle double entendre thingy.

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:07:58pm

TUMESCENT WITH ADVANCED EDUCATION!!!

146 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:08:02pm

re: #139 windupbird is in the gravity well

pause for musicdorkiness: the mixing on talking heads records is fantastic

Musicdorkiness doesn't bother me; its actually something I like about you, WUB.

147 dell*nix  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:08:11pm

re: #127 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Why would you do something considerate like that?

148 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:08:12pm

re: #140 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Did you see my post rwmotherfucker?

149 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:09:17pm

I HAZ TEH MAD SKILZ WITH TEH MBA AND WORK OVERTIMES CAUSE I IZ NOT IN TEH UNIONS WHILE YOU GUYS ALL COLLECT TEH WELFARE CHECKS LIVING FREE FROM THE SWEAT OF MY BROW!!!11TY

150 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:09:28pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Musicdorkiness doesn't bother me; its actually something I like about you, WUB.

I'm sure I can eventually bore you with drum machine talk :D

151 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:10:03pm

Mofo still here or did he go Galt?

152 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:10:29pm

re: #151 Assemble!

Mofo still here or did he go Galt?

WEARETHEPRIESTS OF THE TEMPLES!!!!

OF

SYRINX!!!!

153 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:11:46pm

re: #152 windupbird is in the gravity well

WEARETHEPRIESTS OF THE TEMPLES!!!

OF

SYRINX!!!

Okay, now you're scaring me...

154 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:12:00pm

We can tease him back out with a dog joke.

155 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:12:26pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.

156 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:12:45pm

re: #151 Assemble!

Mofo still here or did he go Galt?

He's still here. He actually has a special version of John Gault's refractory ray shield that prevents anything sensical from entering his brain.

157 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:13:23pm

re: #151 Assemble!

Mofo still here or did he go Galt?

John GOUT

158 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:19pm

re: #155 rwmofo

I actually support Gov. Walker, but like him I draw a line between public and private sector unions. You seem to think unions simply exist to provide job security for overpaid goldbricks.

159 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:24pm

re: #153 Assemble!

Okay, now you're scaring me...

I have Caress of Steel on vinyl!

160 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:25pm

re: #155 rwmofo

Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time.

Why yes, yes they have:

Wisconsin lost 23,900 jobs between March 2011 and March 2012, according to data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. It also lost more private-sector jobs than any other state.
...
While Wisconsin Gov, Scott Walker (R) fights to keep his job in a recall election scheduled for June, he is being forced to confront a harsh reality in his state: It lost more jobs during the past 12 months than any other state in the United States.

161 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:25pm

re: #155 rwmofo

Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.

Turned around? Wisconsin lost the most jobs of any state in the union last year.

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:52pm

re: #155 rwmofo

Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.

Biggest job losses in a year nation wide.
Housing values dropping like a rock.
Poverty in Milwaukee growing faster than anywhere else in the nation.
Some turn around.
That ratbastard Walker gets his pink slip in June. SOLIDARITY!

163 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:58pm

re: #148 Assemble!

[Embedded content]

Heh.

164 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:16:20pm

re: #155 rwmofo

Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.

I don't think "turned around" means what you think it means...

[Link: www.google.com...]

165 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:16:43pm

re: #155 rwmofo

Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.

TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS!! ALSO YOUR EXPERTISE!!! NATURALLY WE WILL ALL BELIEVE YOU!!!

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:17:09pm

re: #160 Interesting Times

THE MASTER OF BUSINESS! WE'VE MASTERED UNEMPLOYMENT!!!

167 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:17:43pm

A VERY SERIOUS REPUBLICAN IS SPEAKING!!

WE SHOULD ALL LISTEN!!!

168 allegro  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:18:21pm

I must say, this is the most extraordinary display of willful ignorance I think I have ever witnessed. I would like to say it's a Poe but I fear it really believes this shit.

169 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:18:35pm

re: #162 William Barnett-Lewis

Biggest job losses in a year nation wide.
Housing values dropping like a rock.
Poverty in Milwaukee growing faster than anywhere else in the nation.

Or as mofo calls it... POSITIVE RESULTS!!

170 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:18:38pm

re: #162 William Barnett-Lewis

Biggest job losses in a year nation wide.
Housing values dropping like a rock.
Poverty in Milwaukee growing faster than anywhere else in the nation.
Some turn around.
That ratbastard Walker gets his pink slip in June. SOLIDARITY!

Unlikely. The Dems are divided and Walker leads them both in head to head matchups.

171 Kragar  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:18:40pm

re: #166 windupbird is in the gravity well

THE MASTER OF BUSINESS! WE'VE MASTERED UNEMPLOYMENT!!!

Image: 35mdvc.jpg

172 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:19:16pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

I actually support Gov. Walker, but like him I draw a line between public and private sector unions. You seem to think unions simply exist to provide job security for overpaid goldbricks.

Feel free to quote me. In fact show me where I specifically said this. Oh, right. You got nuthin'.

173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:20:24pm

ahahaha "it's turned around!" imagine what sex is like for rwmofo


I AM A LOTHARIO!! *partner is confused as rwmofo sticks his dick in the TV across the room*

174 blueraven  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:20:28pm

re: #44 rwmofo

No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."

Like you did from 2001-2008?

2 wars, one totally unnecessary (not paid for)
Simultaneous tax cuts (because Americans should never sacrifice...its unAmerican, or something)
Drug benefits program (not paid for)
The biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression.

Nicely done mofo, nicley done!
//

175 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:20:30pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Unlikely. The Dems are divided and Walker leads them both in head to head matchups.

But I'm going to ask if we can drop the subject of Wisconsin. Rwmofo can't form coherent arguments, and it's not fair to me to have to defend a topic he DERPed into. Let's move on to an equally fruitful place to mock him.

176 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:20:35pm

re: #155 rwmofo

Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time.

LOL.

While Wisconsin Gov, Scott Walker (R) fights to keep his job in a recall election scheduled for June, he is being forced to confront a harsh reality in his state: It lost more jobs during the past 12 months than any other state in the United States.

What Wisconsin says about labor unions' clout in America
Why recall target Gov. Scott Walker is taking his message to Illinois
Indiana 'right to work' law: what it means for the pro-union Rust Belt
Wisconsin lost 23,900 jobs between March 2011 and March 2012, according to data released Tuesday by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. The state’s lead in job losses is significantly greater than the rest of the 50 states: No other state lost more than 3,500 jobs.

The majority of the losses in Wisconsin, 17,800, were in the public sector. However, the state lost more private-sector jobs, 6,100, than any other state. The only other states to report private-sector job losses in the same time period (instead of private-sector gains) were Mississippi and Rhode Island.

I wonder what kind of world a person lives in that such a stark, obvious, easily researched reality is completely replaced by an ideologically imposed fantasy?

177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:21:07pm

HAY GUYS! i'M RWMOFO, GONNA DRIVE TO THE STORE!! *sits in the shrubs and makes vroom noises*

178 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:21:41pm
179 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:21:47pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

But I'm going to ask if we can drop the subject of Wisconsin.

No. Fucking deal with it.

180 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:22:24pm

re: #177 windupbird is in the gravity well

HAY GUYS! i'M RWMOFO, GONNA DRIVE TO THE STORE!! *sits in the shrubs and makes vroom noises*

SCREEEEEEECH!!!

181 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:22:39pm

re: #155 rwmofo

Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.

You really want to compare the American unions to the Japanese?

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

For decades, the Japanese government has been trying, and largely failing, to set limits on work and on overtime. The problem of karoshi became prevalent enough to warrant its own word in the boom years of the late 1970s, as the number of Japanese men working more than 60 hours a week soared.

Thirty years later, overtime rules remain so nebulous and so weakly enforced that the United Nations' International Labor Organization has described Japan as a country with no legal limits on the practice.

The consequences show up not only in claims for death and disability from overwork but in suicides attributed to "fatigue from work." Among 2,207 work-related suicides in 2007, the most common reason (672 suicides) was overwork, according to government figures released in June.

182 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:22:47pm

I'M RWMOFO, GONNA SOLVE THIS RUBIK'S CUBE *attempts to solve a urinal cake*

183 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:24:05pm
184 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:24:41pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Unlikely. The Dems are divided and Walker leads them both in head to head matchups.

Barretts pulling ahead in the primary matchup and is concentrating on the General election instead. I think he can make the case that he only lost last time because of Scooter's lies about his intentions. You and I may disagree on those issues, but those are what I see it turning on.

The other big things are education - people statewide are very unhappy with his gutting of state money for schools - and his out of state connections.

Hopefully Barrett will come out with ads much like the presidents current ads where he simply lets Mittens own words hoist him on his right wing petard.

185 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:25:20pm

IT'S ME!

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:26:07pm

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT UNIONS AND HOW THEY UNIONIZE THE THING THAT THEY UNIONIZE

187 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:26:11pm

If you don't work a 60 hour week you're a pinko commie pussie who wants everything handed to you. LOL, all you stupid liberals. Ha Ha, I win.

188 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:26:36pm

re: #185 rwm0f0

IT'S ME!

Suck Mah Bawz!

189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:27:02pm

re: #188 Kronocide

Suck Mah Bawz!

HAVE YOU HEARD THE GOOD NEWS? RONALD REAGAN HAS RISEN!!!

190 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:27:16pm
191 Kronocide  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:27:24pm

Mah Bawz aint gonna suck demselvz.

192 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:31:39pm

re: #184 William Barnett-Lewis

Barretts pulling ahead in the primary matchup and is concentrating on the General election instead. I think he can make the case that he only lost last time because of Scooter's lies about his intentions. You and I may disagree on those issues, but those are what I see it turning on.

The other big things are education - people statewide are very unhappy with his gutting of state money for schools - and his out of state connections.

Hopefully Barrett will come out with ads much like the presidents current ads where he simply lets Mittens own words hoist him on his right wing petard.

Well Barrett getting ahead of Falk is good news, as Falk is too much the ideologue to be effective had she been elected. She also released a BOg-class vid smearing Barrett, which is one more reason for her to lose.

Walker, however, did not lie about his intentions. Walker made clear that he would not support right-to-work legislation. Maybe he would have prior to the spring of last year, but he made clear where he is now and that isn't lying. And Wisconsin has been able to avoid massive layoffs of teachers precisely because of their unions being cut back in power.

That's my opinion, your mileage may vary.

193 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:31:51pm

GUYS I AM NOW GOING TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT MY BUSINESS

194 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:32:58pm

Outrage!

195 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:33:39pm

re: #193 rwm0f0

GUYS I AM NOW GOING TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT MY BUSINESS

Amway, I knew it!

[punching fist into hand]

196 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:34:40pm

re: #195 RayFerd

Amway, I knew it!

[punching fist into hand]

Newman!

197 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:37:26pm

re: #195 RayFerd

Amway, I knew it!

[punching fist into hand]

BUY MY SOAP

198 blueraven  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:37:31pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Well Barrett getting ahead of Falk is good news, as Falk is too much the ideologue to be effective had she been elected. She also released a BOg-class vid smearing Barrett, which is one more reason for her to lose.

Walker, however, did not lie about his intentions. Walker made clear that he would not support right-to-work legislation. Maybe he would have prior to the spring of last year, but he made clear where he is now and that isn't lying. And Wisconsin has been able to avoid massive layoffs of teachers precisely because of their unions being cut back in power.

That's my opinion, your mileage may vary.

Walker lied by omission about his intentions. He never said he was going to gut the unions like he has and you know that.

199 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:39:36pm

For some reason I love this snippet from Boston Magazine's 2003 interview with Romney:

Breakfast is cereal, egg whites, and toast without butter. Lunch: a sandwich at his desk. Ann and Mitt spend their evenings reading, unless one of their favorite TV shows is on: Everybody Loves Raymond, Ed, or, when the Romneys are feeling dangerous, a Seinfeld rerun.

200 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:39:50pm

WHERE IS MY TWIN BROTHER?!?!?!?!

201 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:40:32pm

re: #198 blueraven

Walker lied by omission about his intentions. He never said he was going to gut the unions like he has and you know that.

I don't consider that a 'lie by admission'.

202 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:41:26pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

or, when the Romneys are feeling dangerous, a Seinfeld rerun.

OH MY GOD HOW CAN THEY BE SO RECKLESS?!?!?

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:41:50pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

toast without butter

204 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:15pm

Saw finally the Preezy's opening comments to the dinner. Great. Hilarious. Kimmel, you suck.

Rightwingmotherfucker, you are a blog pussy.

good night now!

205 freetoken  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:16pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

If I were writing a script for a sitcom and wanted a stereotypical character that would be the ideal paragraph to sum up said character.

206 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:17pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

I don't consider that a 'lie by admission'.

?

Why are you incorrecting the word "omission?"

207 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:25pm

NO MA'AM


DRY

208 rwmofo  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:40pm

OK. I'm back just to thank you clowns for kicking my karma over 2000. Heh. It was fun. Say "Hi" to the teleprompter for me.

209 sagehen  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:55pm

re: #114 rwm0f0

LET US MEASURE OUR PENISES!!!

Which one? I have three jars full...

210 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:43:03pm

re: #208 rwmofo

OK. I'm back just to thank you clowns for kicking my karma over 2000. Heh. It was fun. Say "Hi" to the teleprompter for me.

I LOVE YOU BROTHER

211 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:43:31pm

re: #204 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Saw finally the Preezy's opening comments to the dinner. Great. Hilarious. Kimmel, you suck.

Rightwingmotherfucker, you are a blog pussy.

good night now!

Kimmel had a few good moments. That's a tough gig. There's a weird balance you have to strike.

212 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:43:44pm

re: #208 rwmofo

OK. I'm back just to thank you clowns for kicking my karma over 2000. Heh. It was fun. Say "Hi" to the teleprompter for me.

I'm rubber, you are glue. Whatever wingnut.

213 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:45:48pm

re: #206 Assemble!

?

Why are you incorrecting the word "omission?"

Narcolepsy.

214 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:49:18pm

re: #207 rwm0f0

NO MA'AM

DRY

And none of that fancy RYE bread for me, I'm all about the WONDER.

215 blueraven  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:52:35pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

I don't consider that a 'lie by admission'.

Whatever.

The fact remains; it was a lie.

216 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:54:26pm

re: #215 blueraven

Whatever.

The fact remains; it was a lie.

You claim that to be a fact, but your interpretation is just that: an interpretation. I reject your interpretation and substitute my own.

217 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:57:46pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Unlikely. The Dems are divided and Walker leads them both in head to head matchups.

Dems are only divided until the general.

218 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:00:31pm

Sorry, but I'm too tired to continue. My narcolepsy has been very bad these past few days, and right now its showing up means I've got to go to bed.

Good night, all.

219 austin_blue  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:03:21pm

Damn. I missed the troll.

220 sagehen  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:03:50pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

For some reason I love this snippet from Boston Magazine's 2003 interview with Romney:

Here's my favorite quote from an interview in that election:

“They were not easy years. You have to understand, I was raised in a lovely neighborhood, as was Mitt, and at BYU, we moved into a $62-a-month basement apartment with a cement floor and lived there two years as students with no income.

“It was tiny. And I didn’t have money to carpet the floor. But you can get remnants, samples, so I glued them together, all different colors. It looked awful, but it was carpeting.

“We were happy, studying hard. Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time.

“The stock came from Mitt’s father. When he took over American Motors, the stock was worth nothing. But he invested Mitt’s birthday money year to year — it wasn’t much, a few thousand, but he put it into American Motors because he believed in himself. Five years later, stock that had been $6 a share was $96 and Mitt cashed it so we could live and pay for education.

“Mitt and I walked to class together, shared housekeeping, had a lot of pasta and tuna fish and learned hard lessons.

(snip)

“We stayed till Mitt graduated in 1971, and when he was accepted at Harvard Law, we came east. He was also accepted at Harvard Business School as part of a joint program that admits 25 a year, so he was getting degrees from Harvard Law and Business schools at the same time.

“Remember, we’d been paying $62 a month rent, but here, rents were $400, and for a dump. This is when we took the now-famous loan that Mitt talks about from his father and bought a $42,000 home in Belmont, and you know? The mortgage payment was less than rent. Mitt saw that the Boston market was behind Chicago, LA and New York. We stayed there seven years and sold it for $90,000, so we not only stayed for free, we made money. As I said, Mitt’s very bright."

"a few thousand dollars", went up by a factor of 16... let's conservatively call that $60k in 1969 dollars. Which is worth close to $400k today. Poor sad Mitt and Ann, having to get by for five years on only 80,000/year of a gift from his dad. Life must have been so very difficult for them.

I wonder what a home that was worth 42k in 1971 is worth now. Is that a million dollar house? For a "struggling" grad student and his wife? I'd also be very interested in knowing what kind of $400/mo (in 1971) apartment she thought was "a dump".

221 simoom  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:07:13pm

How do you set the start time on an embeded LGF youtube video again? I keep forgetting what to change the #t=40s into... it's something like &time= or something?

222 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:07:55pm
“Remember, we’d been paying $62 a month rent, but here, rents were $400, and for a dump. This is when we took the now-famous loan that Mitt talks about from his father and bought a $42,000 home in Belmont, and you know? The mortgage payment was less than rent. Mitt saw that the Boston market was behind Chicago, LA and New York. We stayed there seven years and sold it for $90,000, so we not only stayed for free, we made money. As I said, Mitt’s very bright."

this is the smuggest shit I have ever fucking laid eyes on


so you got a loan from daddy, and that makes you smart?

223 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:10:19pm

Nothing like pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Very dignifying.

224 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:10:19pm

re: #221 simoom

How do you set the start time on an embeded LGF youtube video again? I keep forgetting what to change the #t=40s into... it's something like &time= or something?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

225 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:13:48pm

I suppose I should go back and see rwmofo's responses to me. No wait! I won't bother. Maybe later.

//

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:14:04pm

re: #36 moderatelyradicalliberal

He would have had a heart attack and President Palin would be running the show.

That really was my biggest fear, regarding McCain. Maybe I underestimated his health, but the stakes were awful high.

227 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:15:36pm

re: #4 rwmofo

I know that you seem to be our resident RW troll an all, but what is significantly different between the economic policies of President Obama and President Bush?

Bring verifiable proof please, if you didn't just dump and run as you usually do.

228 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:15:39pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

Hello, You!

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:16:43pm

re: #44 rwmofo

No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."

Oh, God, it's an early preview. 'Unleash the private sector'. Is this the new version of "Get goverment out of our way"?

230 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:17:36pm

re: #12 rwmofo

You do realize that, adjusted for inflation, gas prices are fairly stagnant...and something that the President has little real effect on, right?

I'm sure you did know that...

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:19:00pm

re: #86 rwmofo

Don't waste your energy worrying over the notion that I might care what you think. I'll do what I want, dickhead.

OK, that I downdinged, and I don't downding you a lot, mofo.

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:19:33pm

re: #89 Assemble!

Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?

Attention.

I have a student like this right now. But he's in the fourth grade, so it's more explicable.

233 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:19:41pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

Unleash the private sector and it will run away to China.

234 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:20:59pm

Or you could unleash the private sector and strap it to the roof of the car.

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:22:51pm

re: #228 Dancing along the light of day

Hello, You!

Hey!

236 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:23:26pm

re: #44 rwmofo

Uhh, Free Market Jesus didn't save the world's economies from starting to go into the crapper while Bush was still in office, did he?

237 sagehen  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:24:16pm

re: #230 ArthurSlugworth

You do realize that, adjusted for inflation, gas prices are fairly stagnant...and something that the President has little real effect on, right?

I'm sure you did know that...

Except to the extent that the strength of the dollar has some effect on the price of imports... but the dollar's pretty strong now, so I'd say we're keeping the price of gas relatively low (Europeans pay more than double what we do, and only 1/3 of that difference is that they have higher gas tax).

238 Kragar  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:24:30pm

Because the food processing industry would love the government to get out of the way.

"New and improved pink slime, now with 50% more rodent feces and insect parts."

239 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:26:00pm

re: #228 Dancing along the light of day

re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist

240 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:26:12pm

re: #89 Assemble!

Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?

Sparring partners, for he is the Masta of Disasta!!!

241 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:26:22pm

re: #236 ArthurSlugworth

Uhh, Free Market Jesus didn't save the world's economies from starting to go into the crapper while Bush was still in office, did he?

I'd like to see the faces from the "free market" when they have to start dealing with private owned oil, gas, or mineral leases outside the Federal leasing schemes. No more baby sitting from the Coast Guard and the US Navy either.

242 Gus  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:28:17pm

Build your own damn airport. Build and maintain your own ports. Build your own damn football and baseball stadiums.

Oh yeah. And get your own damn banks to replace the Fed that gives you zero percent interest loans.

243 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:28:25pm

re: #238 Kragar

I bought these Banquet white meat nuggets the other day. They aren't even filled with what could be described as meat. Each nugget was a foam-like substance that had a vague meat flavor. No meat tissue in the box. Very disgusting.

244 simoom  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:28:35pm

re: #224 Gus

Thanks I keep forgetting :P.

Now I can post my favorite moment from the WHCD. I cracked up at the joke, but what really got to me was Michelle's semi-aghast "I can't believe you just went there"-expression, and finally I completely lost it at "... with a lil soy sauce."

245 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:28:53pm

I'm loving it. Obama's still here, Osama's still dead, and there is wailing and gnashing of teeth in the GOP.
They have only themselves to blame. The current Republican leadership makes Dan Quayle look like Winston Churchill.
As for the really great Republicans; well, my god, Teddy Roosevelt had more manliness in one eyebrow than the present GOP mob could gin up from a truckload of Viagra on the best day of their lives.

246 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:28:57pm

re: #240 ArthurSlugworth

Sparring partners, for he is the Masta of Disasta!!!

We need a Mofo/Buck cage match. Two nuts enter, one nut leaves.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:30:42pm

re: #243 Amory Blaine

I bought these Banquet white meat nuggets the other day. They aren't even filled with what could be described as meat. Each nugget was a foam-like substance that had a vague meat flavor. No meat tissue in the box. Very disgusting.

My husband loves those. He freely acknowledges that there is no chicken in the product, but he enjoys eating them.

248 freetoken  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:31:01pm

re: #243 Amory Blaine

"Mechanically" is an adverb that probably shows up somewhere on the label, or on their website. "Mechanically separated" meat - that's the term.

The resulting protein slush is then shaped, water reduced (if necessary), flavorings (artificial) added, then breaded and quickly frozen.

This is what Americans' believe is "food".

Meanwhile, I stalk loquats around my town....

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:31:08pm

re: #246 Assemble!

We need a Mofo/Buck cage match. Two nuts enter, one nut leaves.

I like Buck better.

250 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:31:34pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not saying I didn't eat them. ;P

251 freetoken  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:33:55pm

The loquat season is passing... sigh. Soon they will be all gone.

Perhaps to return next year, if the trees are allowed to stand.

I've been noticing a disturbing trend to cut down trees around here lately. The vulture real estate industry is trying to pick the bones off of the market, I think, and installing really simple, really stupid "landscaping" that appeals to the same type of Americans that buy those "nuggets" in the freezer. Fake food, fake landscapes.

252 Kragar  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:34:03pm

re: #243 Amory Blaine

I bought these Banquet white meat nuggets the other day. They aren't even filled with what could be described as meat. Each nugget was a foam-like substance that had a vague meat flavor. No meat tissue in the box. Very disgusting.

There is a process where they grind up dark meat chicken, add an enzyme to break it down so the chemical which makes it dark is removed, then they centrifuge it so they can skim off the residue. They're left with the ground white chicken meat which they form into nuggets, patties, and other chicken products.

253 freetoken  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:34:35pm

Nothing horrifies the modern American like a dropped tree leaf.

254 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:36:36pm

re: #253 freetoken

Nothing horrifies the modern American like a dropped tree leaf.

Sounds like something Hunter Thompson would say.

255 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:37:37pm

How's life all?

256 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:38:24pm

re: #246 Assemble!

We need a Mofo/Buck cage match. Two nuts enter, one nut leaves.

Who did the painting in your earlier avatar?

257 palomino  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:39:01pm

re: #12 rwmofo

MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?

You do realize that gas prices were actually higher under Bush in early 2008, right?

Oh, but that doesn't fit the narrative so you ignore it. What a surprise.

What's Romney gonna do to get gas prices down? (Don't say Keystone, that might work in 5 years...what's Romney gonna do NOW? Is it the same triple secret plan Newt promised would bring gas down to $2.50 a gallon?)

258 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:39:15pm

"Still Get Whoopins":

259 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:39:31pm

Romney can redeem himself by picking Dan Quayle as his running mate. Mr. Quayle's stature has risen enormously in recent years. Admittedly this is mostly by comparison with the current lot and by virtue of being out of the public eye but any stature is better than the buffoons who comprise the alternative. He is 65 now and still eligible, having served only one term.

260 Interesting Times  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:39:49pm

You can haz derp-cleanser:

261 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:41:01pm

I am actually watching TV. Some show called Alcatraz?

Have no clue.

262 palomino  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:41:27pm

re: #44 rwmofo

No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."

That's a vague slogan that gives cretins like you a hard-on. But the idea that the private sector has been leashed is absolutely absurd. Investors sure don't feel leashed these days, certainly far less leashed than they did in 2007-2008.

263 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:42:00pm

re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey!

WOOT!

264 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:42:31pm

re: #256 prairiefire

Who did the painting in your earlier avatar?

The Captain America one? I honestly don't know. They were the official sketches from the studio, and they weren't signed.

265 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:44:31pm

Does there have to be a car chase/crash in every show?

266 freetoken  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:44:52pm

re: #254 Amory Blaine

Sounds like something Hunter Thompson would say.

Speaking of which, from 11 and half years ago, Thompson nailed our times well:

[...] I knew better. Of course Bush would win Florida. Losing was out of the question. Here was the whole bloody Family laughing & hooting & sneering at the dumbness of the whole world on National TV.

The old man was the real tip-off. The leer on his face was almost frightening. It was like looking into the eyes of a tall hyena with a living sheep in its mouth. The sheep's fate was sealed, and so was Al Gore's. ... Everything since then has been political flotsam & Gibberish.


The whole Presidential election, in fact, was rigged and fixed from the start. It was a gigantic Media Event, scripted & staged for TV. It happens every four years, at an ever-increasing cost & 90 percent of the money always goes for TV commercials.

Of course, nobody would give a damn except politics is beginning to smell like professional football, Dank & Nasty. And that's a problem that could haunt America a lot longer than four years, folks.

[...]

267 palomino  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:45:30pm

re: #66 rwmofo

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."

This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

You sound really bitter about all this. Nobody forced you to go to biz school, and no one forces you to work the long hours you do. Don't expect anyone to look up to you because you've done the same things millions of other Americans have.

268 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:46:16pm

re: #265 ggt

Does there have to be a car chase/crash in every show?

Ever notice how every Star Wars movie had to have a chase sequence? That got really tired really quickly.

269 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:46:25pm

re: #252 Kragar

There is a process where they grind up dark meat chicken, add an enzyme to break it down so the chemical which makes it dark is removed, then they centrifuge it so they can skim off the residue. They're left with the ground white chicken meat which they form into nuggets, patties, and other chicken products.

American's buy white meat. What can you do?

270 palomino  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:46:44pm

re: #155 rwmofo

Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.

Japan and Germany have unionized auto workers. What's your point now?

271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:47:30pm

re: #268 Assemble!

Ever notice how every Star Wars movie had to have a chase sequence? That got really tired really quickly.

After the James Bond Boat chase long, drawn-out scene with Roger Moore, I don't need to see any more.

272 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:49:03pm

re: #268 Assemble!

Ever notice how every Star Wars movie had to have a chase sequence? That got really tired really quickly.

Ever notice how every Home Alone movie had to have a Marv chase sequence?

273 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:49:15pm

re: #257 palomino

You do realize that gas prices were actually higher under Bush in early 2008, right?

Oh, but that doesn't fit the narrative so you ignore it. What a surprise.

What's Romney gonna do to get gas prices down? (Don't say Keystone, that might work in 5 years...what's Romney gonna do NOW? Is it the same triple secret plan Newt promised would bring gas down to $2.50 a gallon?)

They keep saying Keystone because it fits with their belief system, namely that the "Invisible Hand" responds only to "signals" and always responds in a certain way to certain signals. So, you okay Keystone and agree to letting the oil companies drill on even more public land for even cheaper prices and boom, the "Invisible Hand" is supposed to drive oil prices down. Then, when you ask for proof, they point to the same day every time, when Bush made his big speech before the White House about opening up more offshore space to leasing and the price of oil fell. What they don't mention is that the same states where this space was opened up immediately reacted by placing bans on that space for oil drilling.

274 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:49:46pm

re: #272 Mich-again

Ever notice how every Home Alone movie had to have a Marv chase sequence?

I can honestly say I've never watched a Home Alone movie in full.

275 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:50:09pm

re: #270 palomino

Japan and Germany have unionized auto workers. What's your point now?

The big difference is that both don't have to keep going to the table to negotiate health benefits, because the universal health care provided by the government already takes care of that. Amazing, huh?

276 b_sharp  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:51:19pm

What to expect when the 'private sector' takes over:

Monopolies from large companies eating smaller companies. Wages taking a nose dive, while prices remain stable but quality and product size drops. Massive PR campaigns to convince the consumer they're the ones benefiting.

Large scale group hallucinations of kind, honest, socially responsible corporations.

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:54:10pm

It seems that an increasingly greater proportion of the population does not want more oil. What they want is for the energy sector to find another way.

What I don't understand is why those with the bucks (oil companies) don't invest and find another way. Do they really think they won't be dinosaurs in a 100 years?

278 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:55:30pm

So, (on the TV show) they go into a 50 year-old hidden and abandoned room and all the ancient computer equipment lights still light-up?

279 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:57:21pm

re: #264 Assemble!

The Captain America one? I honestly don't know. They were the official sketches from the studio, and they weren't signed.

No! Didn't you have a portrait of a lady with curlers in her hair?

280 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:57:52pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

They keep saying Keystone because it fits with their belief system, namely that the "Invisible Hand" responds only to "signals" and always responds in a certain way to certain signals.

The invisible hand responds via the supply versus demand curve.

The problem with relying on a larger supply to bring down prices is the series of natural consequences.. As supplies increase then fuel will cost less, but when fuel costs less miles driven on the same amount of road will increase, which means the amount of traffic will increase which means cars will need to stop and start more often which means consumption will increase. There is a self correction factor. It definitely does not feed itself in a cycle so it won't work long term.

The strategy has to be: Waste less to bring consumption down which will then brings costs down while supplies stay stable. Simple.

281 palomino  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:58:48pm

re: #275 Targetpractice

The big difference is that both don't have to keep going to the table to negotiate health benefits, because the universal health care provided by the government already takes care of that. Amazing, huh?

Spot on. What I find really amazing is that we're the only developed nation without universal healthcare.

Actually I find it disgraceful that the world's richest nation sees the health of its citizens as a luxury. As if 40 million of our fellow citizens being uninsured isn't a big deal and has no moral component. After Obamacare gets blocked by the nation's most conservative court in a century, we'll be back at square one, another decade or two from real health care reform.

282 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:59:35pm

re: #275 Targetpractice

The big difference is that both don't have to keep going to the table to negotiate health benefits, because the universal health care provided by the government already takes care of that. Amazing, huh?

Exactly..

283 Lidane  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:01:27pm

re: #276 Inconsequential Consequences

What to expect when the 'private sector' takes over:

This, but on steroids:

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284 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:01:39pm

Yeah, TV is now off.

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:02:11pm

re: #283 Lidane

This, but on steroids:

Image: map.jpg

How many jobs does that represent?

286 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:02:17pm

re: #281 palomino

Spot on. What I find really amazing is that we're the only developed nation without universal healthcare.

Actually I find it disgraceful that the world's richest nation sees the health of its citizens as a luxury. As if 40 million of our fellow citizens being uninsured isn't a big deal and has no moral component. After Obamacare gets blocked by the nation's most conservative court in a century, we'll be back at square one, another decade or two from real health care reform.

The was an article I read a couple weeks back, when arguments over the ACA were made before SCOTUS, that I thought about making into a page. Basically it was an accounting of how the rest of the First World is responding to the news that such reform is actually being argued as "unconstitutional." The underlying theme was it was absolutely mindboggling to people in Europe that America, the world's only hyperpower, the richest nation on Earth, thought that the law prevented it from providing healthcare to all its citizens.

287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:04:22pm

THIS is so much better!

288 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:04:58pm

re: #278 ggt

So, (on the TV show) they go into a 50 year-old hidden and abandoned room and all the ancient computer equipment lights still light-up?

Battlefield Earth had that one beat, showing 1000-yr old flight simulators, fighter jets, and even nuclear bombs being fully intact and operational.

289 Lidane  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:06:10pm

re: #285 ggt

How many jobs does that represent?

Too many to think about.

290 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:06:18pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

Battlefield Earth had that one beat, showing 1000-yr old flight simulators, fighter jets, and even nuclear bombs being fully intact and operational.

When they arrived at Atlantis, the Stargate away team found it functional. For some reason that was believable --perhaps because the Atlantians were sooooo far advanced.

291 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:07:47pm

re: #289 Lidane

Too many to think about.

I know. The whole "corporations" are bad/good argument bothers me a lot. It's the system we now have and it keeps us afloat.

It's the inbalance that disturbs me. Corporations seem to have a global citizenship that individuals don't.

292 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:08:52pm
293 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:09:35pm

re: #281 palomino

The RW's love to point out how much union labor costs have increased but they forget to mention the biggest chunk of the increases the last decade or so has been for health care costs, not the wages or other benefits.

And the health insurance costs have gone up primarily because the costs incurred by health care indigents, which happens to be the medical insurance status the same RW's demand as a right when they oppose Obamacare.

They demand the right to not pay into a system that requires coverage for all. Who are the real "socialists"?

294 Kragar  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:10:02pm

re: #292 ggt

teehee

Ripoff.

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295 Kruk  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:10:25pm

re: #290 ggt

When they arrived at Atlantis, the Stargate away team found it functional. For some reason that was believable --perhaps because the Atlantians were sooo far advanced.

So advanced they taught an entire glaxy billions of light years away to speak in 20th Century American English thousands of years ago.

296 Kragar  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:10:38pm
297 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:10:40pm

The world just keeps getting stranger and stranger to me:

South Sudan 'agrees $8bn deal with China'

I feel old.

298 Kragar  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:11:34pm

re: #295 Kruk

So advanced they taught an entire glaxy billions of light years away to speak in 20th Century American English thousands of years ago.

At least Farscape and Dr. Who made the attempt to address that.

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:13:33pm

re: #295 Kruk

So advanced they taught an entire glaxy billions of light years away to speak in 20th Century American English thousands of years ago.

Always an issue for Sci-Fi writers. A deus ex machina solution is the only way.

In Stargate, I think they assume the Atlantians are just sooooooo far advanced, language isn't ever a problem for them. Their brains just handle it. Daniel was a exceptionally gifted linquist, so he could pick-up on most alien languages when hummed a few bars.

I always liked the Star Trek Universal Translator, but the winner, IMHO is Douglas Adams, Babble Fish.

300 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:14:09pm

re: #293 Mich-again

The RW's love to point out how much union labor costs have increased but they forget to mention the biggest chunk of the increases the last decade or so has been for health care costs, not the wages or other benefits.

And the health insurance costs have gone up primarily because the costs incurred by health care indigents, which happens to be the medical insurance status the same RW's demand as a right when they oppose Obamacare.

They demand the right to not pay into a system that requires coverage for all. Who are the real "socialists"?

I've said before that if that should be their "right," then we need to do away with the laws that require ERs to treat any person who walks through their doors, irregardless of ability to pay. How long you think folks would demand real health reform when they couldn't enter the ER without insurance?

301 sagehen  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:14:37pm

re: #277 ggt

What I don't understand is why those with the bucks (oil companies) don't invest and find another way. Do they really think they won't be dinosaurs in a 100 years?

Upper management and the Board of Directors, being large shareholders and with no job security, have strong incentives to care much more about short-term stock prices than about long-term strength of the company.

This is also why Wall Street got itself in trouble.

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:15:36pm

re: #301 sagehen

Upper management and the Board of Directors, being large shareholders and with no job security, have strong incentives to care much more about short-term stock prices than about long-term strength of the company.

This is also why Wall Street got itself in trouble.

short-term thinking by so-called conservatives.

I was raised to think long-term by a different era of conservatives. You know, back when dividends were paid and such.

303 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:17:43pm

I need a literary quote regarding food, I think.

I want to make a t-shirt with a pic of Brat Puppy on the front with a quote bubble. I don't want some lame words tho.

Perhaps some Mark Twain?

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:19:44pm

This might be cute

or

this?

wonder if Mark Twain is copyright free.

305 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:20:54pm

re: #299 ggt

Always an issue for Sci-Fi writers. A deus ex machina solution is the only way.

In Stargate, I think they assume the Atlantians are just sooo far advanced, language isn't ever a problem for them. Their brains just handle it. Daniel was a exceptionally gifted linquist, so he could pick-up on most alien languages hummed a few bars.

I always liked the Star Trek Universal Translator, but the winner, IMHO is Douglas Adams, Babble Fish.

Generally in scifi, aliens only speak in their own native language in two instances: A) when it's important to the plot or B) when the director wants to reinforce the idea that these aliens aren't just humans with bumps on their noses. Sometimes they even treat the language barrier realistically, requiring the translator to gather a large enough "taste" of the language before things like syntax and phonology can be ascertained.

306 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:22:19pm

This would work for Old Man Dog.

307 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:25:11pm

re: #303 ggt

I need a literary quote regarding food, I think.

I want to make a t-shirt with a pic of Brat Puppy on the front with a quote bubble. I don't want some lame words tho.

Perhaps some Mark Twain?

You gonna eat all them fries?

308 Lidane  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:26:19pm

re: #299 ggt

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could evolve purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing".

"But," says man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It proves you exist and so therefore you don't. QED."

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white, and gets killed on the next zebra crossing.

309 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:26:41pm

re: #307 Mich-again

You gonna eat all them fries?

You want credit for that one?

310 sagehen  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:28:00pm

re: #295 Kruk

So advanced they taught an entire glaxy billions of light years away to speak in 20th Century American English thousands of years ago.

I have a theory about that...

The language that we call 20th Century American English has actually been Galactic Standard Trading Language for millennia. The Asgard, being meddlers, have spent more than a thousand years encouraging first the Norse, and then the people of that big Island the Norse berserked on, to bring their language into line with what the rest of the galaxy was already speaking. (at the same time, the Ancients were helping the Romans to spread Latin across a continent, and the Goa'uld were making sure Aramaic took hold on another large swathe of territory.)

311 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:28:20pm

re: #300 Targetpractice

I've said before that if that should be their "right," then we need to do away with the laws that require ERs to treat any person who walks through their doors, irregardless of ability to pay. How long you think folks would demand real health reform when they couldn't enter the ER without insurance?

Sorry sir, your credit report failed, the guard will show you to the door.

312 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:29:19pm

re: #309 ggt

You want credit for that one?

Ha. Thats what Bark! means in dog language.

313 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:30:11pm

re: #311 Mich-again

Sorry sir, your credit report failed, the guard will show you to the door.

"Please be so kind as not to bleed on the floor on the way out, else we'll have to bill you for the clean-up costs."

314 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:32:19pm

PERRFECT for dog lovers.


One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night.

- Margaret Mead

315 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:32:48pm

re: #313 Targetpractice

"Please be so kind as not to bleed on the floor on the way out, else we'll have to bill you for the clean-up costs."

The RW will offer low interest loans for the health care indigents with the money they save by eliminating low interest loans for students.

316 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:34:34pm

re: #310 sagehen

I have a theory about that...

The language that we call 20th Century American English has actually been Galactic Standard Trading Language for millennia. The Asgard, being meddlers, have spent more than a thousand years encouraging first the Norse, and then the people of that big Island the Norse berserked on, to bring their language into line with what the rest of the galaxy was already speaking. (at the same time, the Ancients were helping the Romans to spread Latin across a continent, and the Goa'uld were making sure Aramaic took hold on another large swathe of territory.)

No silly, 20th Century American English is the ultimate and inevitable result of the evolution of all life in the universe.

of course, everyone speaks it --it's G-d's Plan!!!

/:0

317 Amory Blaine  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:35:16pm

Anybody else have a bad feeling about this?

318 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:37:25pm

re: #317 Amory Blaine

Anybody else have a bad feeling about this?

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Bad 80's hair --yeah, gives bad vibes.

319 austin_blue  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:37:32pm

From the Transatlantic Sessions, Jerry Douglas on dobro, Ally McBain on fiddle, and my harp bud (through She Who Must Be Obeyed), Catriona McCay on the clarsach playing her tune The Swan LK 243.

It's one of the most beautiful songs ever written. Hope you enjoy:

320 palomino  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:38:39pm

re: #286 Targetpractice

The was an article I read a couple weeks back, when arguments over the ACA were made before SCOTUS, that I thought about making into a page. Basically it was an accounting of how the rest of the First World is responding to the news that such reform is actually being argued as "unconstitutional." The underlying theme was it was absolutely mindboggling to people in Europe that America, the world's only hyperpower, the richest nation on Earth, thought that the law prevented it from providing healthcare to all its citizens.

You should put the page up. I've only read one story along those lines, but it echoed what you're saying. It suggested that we're sort of the laughingstock of the rest of the developed world, because we have such a huge uninsured population. In many places around the globe our lack of healthcare is seen as a violation of basic human rights.

Countries like Canada are far from hotbeds of radicalism, but they've had universal healthcare for half a century. And even their Conservative Party supports it.

321 Kragar  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:39:31pm

re: #318 ggt

Bad 80's hair --yeah, gives bad vibes.

You haven't seen the horror of the Wendy's training commercials?

322 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:41:59pm

re: #320 palomino

You should put the page up. I've only read one story along those lines, but it echoed what you're saying. It suggested that we're sort of the laughingstock of the rest of the developed world, because we have such a huge uninsured population. In many places around the globe our lack of healthcare is seen as a violation of basic human rights.

Countries like Canada are far from hotbeds of radicalism, but they've had universal healthcare for half a century. And even their Conservative Party supports it.

I'll try to hunt it down later. But it's actually rather shocking how folks in the rest of the world, many of them our closest allies, scratch their heads at the situation we've created in the "greatest country on Earth." A country where 40 million people are without insurance and where tens of millions of those who do have insurance are just a major illness away from bankruptcy.

323 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:42:29pm

re: #320 palomino

You should put the page up. I've only read one story along those lines, but it echoed what you're saying. It suggested that we're sort of the laughingstock of the rest of the developed world, because we have such a huge uninsured population. In many places around the globe our lack of healthcare is seen as a violation of basic human rights.

Countries like Canada are far from hotbeds of radicalism, but they've had universal healthcare for half a century. And even their Conservative Party supports it.

Seems a portion of American's think that American is about Survival of the Fittest (strange they don't like Evolution--huh?). Which is part-and-parcel with Capitalism.

There is also a big, big aversion to collectivism -- we are an individiualist country, by definition. People don't see much difference between an monarch and a collectivist government --both take power from the individual.

So, trying to get a workable entitlement is sticky business. It has to be done, I hope SCOTUS sees it's way to approving this legislation. We can fight-out problems in the coming years, but we have to get it going first.

324 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:42:31pm

re: #310 sagehen

I got this sense of yeah we already won this war they just don't know it yet from watching people from around the world communicate in Thailand for a couple weeks. Everyone from everywhere speaks in some level of broken English. Project that trend out a hundred years or so..

325 freetoken  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:42:50pm

Our America, bonus edition, this time from Texas:

The Metroplex Republican Women provided a potluck lunch of neatly assembled sandwiches, stuffed croissants and homemade tomato-basil soup while District 9's two state senate primary candidates -- Todd Smith of Euless and Kelly Hancock of North Richland Hills -- each worked to convince listeners that he was the purest conservative.

In many ways, the Republican candidates who want to succeed retiring Sen. Chris Harris are remarkably similar. Both were born in 1963, are smoothly polite and photogenic.

Both multiterm legislators are anti-abortion, Southern Baptist family men who have been representing Northeast Tarrant County communities in the Texas Legislature.

Both believe in creationism and like the idea of intelligent design being taught in public schools, and neither has embraced vouchers to defray costs of private academies.

[...]

326 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:43:10pm

re: #279 prairiefire

No! Didn't you have a portrait of a lady with curlers in her hair?

Ummm... no. Never ever.

327 freetoken  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:43:16pm

linky:

[Link: www.star-telegram.com...]

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:43:19pm

re: #321 Kragar

You haven't seen the horror of the Wendy's training commercials?

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That is just wrong.

329 austin_blue  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:43:54pm

re: #316 ggt

No silly, 20th Century American English is the ultimate and inevitable result of the evolution of all life in the universe.

of course, everyone speaks it --it's G-d's Plan!!!

/:0

Fuckin' A dudette! We Rock! We're America, fuck yeah! We rule!

(a half-assed sarc tag here because that actually seems to be the general consensus among the great unwashed)

330 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:48:19pm

re: #329 austin_blue

Fuckin' A dudette! We Rock! We're America, fuck yeah! We rule!

(a half-assed sarc tag here because that actually seems to be the general consensus among the great unwashed)

I love how any time you want someone to seem alien the answer is almost always an English accent.

331 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:49:33pm

re: #330 Assemble!

I love how any time you want someone to seem alien the answer is almost always an English accent.

Or how the Greeks all have Scottish accents in movies?

Romans = British.

Is there some rule or something?

332 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:50:35pm

Watched Deliverance for the first time today.

(well, the TV --with commericals -version)

I guess it would have made more of an impact if I had seen it in the theatre when it came out.

333 Mocking Jay  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:52:26pm

re: #331 ggt

Or how the Greeks all have Scottish accents in movies?

Romans = British.

Is there some rule or something?

Tonight we dine (on haggis) in hell!

334 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:55:53pm

re: #326 Assemble!

Ummm... no. Never ever.

Dammit, now I don't know who had it. It looked like a mid 20th century, Edward Hopper type paining.

335 Mich-again  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 11:00:08pm

re: #329 austin_blue

Fuckin' A dudette! We Rock! We're America, fuck yeah! We rule!

(a half-assed sarc tag here because that actually seems to be the general consensus among the great unwashed)

Its past a general consensus. If you live in nowhere land the most important skill (unless you have some genius capacity) is to be able to speak English.

336 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 11:11:03pm

re: #331 ggt

Or how the Greeks all have Scottish accents in movies?

Romans = British.

Is there some rule or something?

I'm not sure, but it annoys me deeply. I mean, Ciaran Hinds was great in "Rome", but all of these English actors playing Romans...it doesn't quite look right.

337 freetoken  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 11:35:48pm
338 freetoken  Sat, Apr 28, 2012 11:40:59pm

Reactionary movements on the rise - a followup to the French primary:

French village embraces an extremist

The drive to this picturesque village nearly 200 miles southeast of Paris winds through forests and farmland where hawks stand guard on roadside fence posts and egrets glide across empty pastures. With a population of just 60, Brachay's residents say they are "the forgotten ones."

One person did remember them: Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right National Front party. The town thanked her with a record 72% vote in her favor during the first round of France's presidential election last Sunday.

[...]
In Brachay, however, villagers such as the Marchands are unrepentant. Most say they will vote for Sarkozy in the next round and hope the National Front will make a strong showing in the legislative elections that follow.

The mayor and his wife are angry that they and their neighbors have been ridiculed and denigrated by France's news media.

"There are a lot more of us than they thought," he said. [...]

339 freetoken  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 12:16:18am

One of the hottest outrageous outrages of the week, as noted for example by an entry at Townhall that has collected over 1300 comments in less than a day: Anti-Bullying Speaker Bashes Christianity, Mocks Students, is from a conference for students a couple of weeks ago at which an activist speaker, Dan Savage, confronted inherent biases in the Bible and how people are very selective in which ones they still keep - here's the video:

Now, I seem to remember it being brought up here when it happened... anyway, the SoCon online industry is trying to whip this thing into something real big.

340 freetoken  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 12:27:42am

Meanwhile, over on Rupert Murdoch's NYPost, there is a short report on some local (San Diego) craziness:

San Diego dad slashes young son's arms in cemetery 'sacrifice'

Sad story (of more religious psycho behavior), but what caught my eye were the comments already on that story:

One And Done Kenyan (signed in using Hotmail)
Joseph Ramirez....a touching story of a fine Obama supporting father who cares deeply about child healthcare.

We need to make people like this legal in this country...right, libbies?
Reply · · 30 minutes ago

Logan Andrews· Top Commenter (signed in using Hotmail)
Hey, did you know George Zimmerman is a REGISTERED Democrat?
Reply · 1 · · 19 minutes ago

One And Done Kenyan (signed in using Hotmail)
Logan Andrews: All spics are.
Reply · · 14 minutes ago

Jack Tarasar · Top Commenter
Another ILLEGAL ALIEN doing his thing. We let this garbage into our once proud country. Now, look at us. we have tens of MILLIONS of these dirt bags. I can cut my OWN lawn, thank you.
Reply · · 14 minutes ago

Peter J. McHugh · Top Commenter
I am sorry that the security guard wasn't armed. If he had blown his head off it would be a net gain to the world.
Reply · · 19 minutes ago

and

Keith Larsen · Top Commenter · Queens, New York
Great new immigrants! Why don't we just shut down the border and shoot any Spics coming illegally over the border. And bury them in the sand.
Reply · · 16 minutes ago

That's the type of customers for which Murdoch designs his businesses, though there are still some out there who refuse to acknowledge this.

BTW, neither local news sources of this crime say anything about "illegal":

Father Accused of Trying to Sacrifice His Son

Woman saves child from sacrifice in cemetery

341 freetoken  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:06:01am
342 researchok  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:21:13am

Morning, all

343 researchok  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:28:26am

re: #340 freetoken

It is interesting to note these kind of events never seem to include someone trying to walk on water.

344 EdDantes  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:52:52am

I am now in Bakersfield, ca. All services are fast and the people are polite. At 248 pm yesterday I called Bright house (cable and internet provider) for TV and high speed internet service. Both were installed by 418 pm. This would not happen in the San Fran bay area where I moved from.

I told my wife before the move to expect friendlier people. We were not disappointed.

345 EdDantes  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:11:00am

Goodnight everyone. And goodnight Mrs. Calabash wherever you are.

346 Kragar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:23:24am

Image: 0412wallpaper-week-3-4_1600.jpg

This image was taken in Skaftafell, Iceland, deep underneath a glacier in an ice cave. As the glacier moves it collects dirt and grit but in places where it doesn't it allows light to travel through the turquoise ice, creating this surreal environment.

More here

347 Kragar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:48:45am

Scooby Doo Vs Doctor Who:

Scooby Doo
"It turns out the Monster was Old man Jenkins all along!"

Doctor Who
"It turns out Old man Jenkins was the Alien all along!"

348 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:52:22am

re: #268 Assemble!

Ever notice how every Star Wars movie had to have a chase sequence? That got really tired really quickly.

My favorite reply to the phrase 'cut to the chase' (though one I almost never use):

"I'd rather not. The chase is just an unoriginal special effects fest. The build-up to the chase is where the originality, storytelling, and acting are to be found. I'll often watch the build-up repeatedly once a movie comes out on HBO or Starz and rewatch the chase itself maybe once or twice."

349 Kragar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:10:15am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

My favorite reply to the phrase 'cut to the chase' (though one I almost never use):

"I'd rather not. The chase is just an unoriginal special effects fest. The build-up to the chase is where the originality, storytelling, and acting are to be found. I'll often watch the build-up repeatedly once a movie comes out on HBO or Starz and rewatch the chase itself maybe once or twice."

Every action adventure movie has a chase scene of some sort.

350 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:11:33am

re: #349 Kragar

Every action adventure movie has a chase scene of some sort.

That's why chases are unoriginal. They can still be fun, but as I've grown older I've largely stopped seeing them as the best part of the movie.

351 Kragar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:15:22am

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

That's why chases are unoriginal. They can still be fun, but as I've grown older I've largely stopped seeing them as the best part of the movie.

Like any other part of a story, it relies on the execution, rather than the extravagance.

352 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:19:00am

re: #349 Kragar

Every action adventure movie has a chase scene of some sort.

I think the best-executed chase scenes are the ones where it's highly environmental--- like in Big Trouble, Little China, when they're trying to get the girls out. It feels more like the panicked mess a real chase would be and less like a scripted event.

353 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:21:01am

re: #352 Obdicut

I think the best-executed chase scenes are the ones where it's highly environmental--- like in Big Trouble, Little China, when they're trying to get the girls out. It feels more like the panicked mess a real chase would be and less like a scripted event.

I can agree with that.

354 Kragar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:21:39am

re: #352 Obdicut

I think the best-executed chase scenes are the ones where it's highly environmental--- like in Big Trouble, Little China, when they're trying to get the girls out. It feels more like the panicked mess a real chase would be and less like a scripted event.

In the last 3 Star Wars films, it was more like watching someone play a computer game than a chase.

355 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:23:39am

re: #354 Kragar

In the last 3 Star Wars films, it was more like watching someone play a computer game than a chase.

I didn't really see Attack of the Clones as having a chase sequence. I'm likely wrong, though.

356 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:25:29am

re: #352 Obdicut

I think the best-executed chase scenes are the ones where it's highly environmental--- like in Big Trouble, Little China, when they're trying to get the girls out. It feels more like the panicked mess a real chase would be and less like a scripted event.

Big Trouble in Little China is a better movie than most of the star wars films


"They see your face and well, they'd want to push it in."

357 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:27:02am

re: #344 EdDantes

I told my wife before the move to expect friendlier people. We were not disappointed.

Except if you're gay, of course. Or have a problem with white supremacist groups.

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

358 Kragar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:27:57am

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

I didn't really see Attack of the Clones as having a chase sequence. I'm likely wrong, though.

Jango Fett chased Obi Wan thru the asteroid belt. Obi Wan and Anakin chased the bounty hunter across Coruscant.

359 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:28:52am

re: #358 Kragar

Jango Fett chased Obi Wan thru the asteroid belt. Obi Wan and Anakin chased the bounty hunter across Coruscant.

I knew I'd likely be shown to be wrong. Thanks for the refresher.

360 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:29:03am

that's better

361 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:29:58am

re: #357 Obdicut

Except if you're gay, of course. Or have a problem with white supremacist groups.

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

To be fair, 1994 was a while ago.

(Not saying that it's necessarily better now, but it's not really "proof" of your point.)

362 Kragar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:36:07am

THE MIGHTY THOR #362 Marvel Comics, 1985 remains the most badass comic book ever written.

Image: thor%20four.jpg

363 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:36:44am

re: #361 Shvaughn

The influx of Hispanics is helping Bakersfield break from its white-refuge past, but unfortunately that doesn't help much with the anti-gay crap. It also has the worst air pollution in the entire US.

[Link: www.webmd.com...]

364 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:39:10am

re: #363 Obdicut

The influx of Hispanics is helping Bakersfield break from its white-refuge past ...

Yeah, I read that the mother of the "Prussian Blue" twins moved them away from Bakersfield because it wasn't white enough for her.

It's 45.5% Hispanic and only 56.8% White.

365 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:40:00am

I also can't imagine wanting people to be friendlier than in San Francisco. San Francisco is almost too friendly for my liking. Sometimes when I went out to buy a coffee I didn't need to have an intimate "How's it going" interaction with the guy selling it to me, but it usually happened.

366 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:40:49am

re: #363 Obdicut

The influx of Hispanics is helping Bakersfield break from its white-refuge past, but unfortunately that doesn't help much with the anti-gay crap. It also has the worst air pollution in the entire US.

[Link: www.webmd.com...]

It is what is. Mexican-Americans still tend to dislike gayness strongly. That will change in time, but assimilation does not happen overnight.

367 Aye Pod  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:41:09am

re: #208 rwmofo

OK. I'm back just to thank you clowns for kicking my karma over 2000. Heh. It was fun. Say "Hi" to the teleprompter for me.

Are you gonna take that karma and invest it in commodities? I hear Wingnut Tears are looking very hot for this year...

368 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:41:58am

re: #364 Shvaughn

Heh. And again we see the problem with the word 'white', as applied to Hispanics. As far as the white-supremacists are concerned, they're not white. So no, a lot of that 56.8% white are actually Hispanic white people.

369 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:45:01am

re: #368 Obdicut

Heh. And again we see the problem with the word 'white', as applied to Hispanics. As far as the white-supremacists are concerned, they're not white. So no, a lot of that 56.8% white are actually Hispanic white people.

Yep, that's why I quoted both statistics. One alone wouldn't convey the right level of complexity.

370 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:45:39am

Bakersfield!

[Dobro slide.]

371 Shvaughn  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:45:40am

re: #368 Obdicut

Heh. And again we see the problem with the word 'white', as applied to Hispanics.

But wait, isn't "white Hispanic" an invention of the liberal media??

//

372 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:45:42am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

It is what is. Mexican-Americans still tend to dislike gayness strongly. That will change in time, but assimilation does not happen overnight.

First of all, I said Hispanic; translating 'Hispanic' to "Mexican-American" is just confusing. Second, it's not that Mexican-Americans tend to dislike gayness, it's that people who are highly religious tend to, and Hispanics tend to be highly religious. Among non-religious Hispanics, there's no more antagonism towards homosexuality than among other non-religious types.

373 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:46:18am

re: #368 Obdicut

Heh. And again we see the problem with the word 'white', as applied to Hispanics. As far as the white-supremacists are concerned, they're not white. So no, a lot of that 56.8% white are actually Hispanic white people.

Said supremacists show the folly of an overemphasis on purity by such actions, though that is not the least of their many follies.

374 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:47:39am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

In fact, you're just plain wrong, and so was I.

[Link: pewresearch.org...]

Hispanics are more supportive of gay marriage than either whites or blacks.

Surprising, but heartening.

375 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:47:57am
376 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:48:17am

re: #373 Dark_Falcon

Said supremacists show the folly of an overemphasis on purity by such actions, though that is not the least of their many follies.

Overemphasis? There's not really any good level of emphasis on 'purity'.

377 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:49:00am

re: #371 Shvaughn

But wait, isn't "white Hispanic" an invention of the liberal media??

//

Only if his dad's a Jerry, like my grand-dad.

/The above is entirely in jest, though my father's father was of German extraction, being the son of two German immigrants.

378 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:49:05am

[Faints]

379 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:49:07am

re: #376 Obdicut

Overemphasis? There's not really any good level of emphasis on 'purity'.

Sure there is -- so long as you're talking chemistry, not people.

380 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:49:39am

re: #374 Obdicut

In fact, you're just plain wrong, and so was I.

[Link: pewresearch.org...]

Hispanics are more supportive of gay marriage than either whites or blacks.

Surprising, but heartening.

That is good news. Sometimes I'm glad to be wrong.

381 Aye Pod  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:50:30am

re: #375 Gus

Image: spinachbunny.jpg

Hi gus! Ice says hi too. We're sorry we mssed the fun here last night. Curse these old fangled UK hours!

382 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:50:42am

re: #376 Obdicut

Overemphasis? There's not really any good level of emphasis on 'purity'.

If you're talking about race, that's entirely true.

383 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:51:21am

re: #381 Aye Pod

Hi gus! Ice says hi too. We're sorry we mssed the fun here last night. Curse these old fangled UK hours!

Hey Jimmah. You guys need to tow the UK onto the sunny side of planet Earth.

//

384 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:51:44am

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

Me too. I have to keep reminding myself that the social conservatism of the Catholic hierarchy isn't actually shared by most of their constituents. Catholics are far more favorably inclined towards gay marriage than protestants-- that anti-gay bigotry in the Protestant world mainly being driven by the evangelicals, Southern Baptists, and charismatic churches, with the Episcopalians and liberal versions of the Lutherans and Presbyterians being pretty cool on the subject.

385 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:54:44am

re: #381 Aye Pod

Hi gus! Ice says hi too. We're sorry we mssed the fun here last night. Curse these old fangled UK hours!

Eh, we were just handing out a beatdown to a clueless and belligerent troll. For me it was fun until rwmofo dragged Wisconsin into his union-hate. Then it fell to me to get downdinged arguing points he's to dumb and angry to defend. Still, I enjoyed watching WUB smack rwmofo around like a hockey puck, as it was just plain funny to watch.

386 Aye Pod  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:13:48am

re: #383 Gus

Hey Jimmah. You guys need to tow the UK onto the sunny side of planet Earth.

//

Too true. Gotta run now - lunch time. Catch you all later.

387 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:15:12am
388 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:16:33am

I think he nailed it.

389 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:20:31am

4 Freedoms Amends Code of Conduct After Post on Who “Should Have Been Killed” by Breivik

Writer was formerly the EDL member Pamela Geller “most trusted”

The anti-Islam 4 Freedoms Community website has updated its Code of Conduct:

2.1 Legality

(b) Unlawful Killing
You must not endorse or encourage people to perform criminal executions. However, you can endorse enforcement of execution by the state (capital punishment) after application of due judicial process.

According to a note on the same page, the change was made on 22 April. It was made in response to an inquiry from the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladget about a recent thread on the site; Roberta Moore (posting as “Morrigan Emaleth”) had used this thread to express her disappointment that Anders Brevik had failed to kill Eskil Pedersen, the AUF leader who survived the Utøya massacre by escaping by boat:

It seems Breivik missed one. This is precisely the coward that should have been killed. Cowards can run but eventually they meet their fate. May KARMA play its part now.

Continues.

390 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:26:02am

re: #387 Gus

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Charles has had a rule covering their scope of their rule for many years. I'd ask why it took them so long to catch up, but I don't think I'd like the answer. The fact that they didn't warn Roberta Moore after the first time she said that. and then ban her after the second time speaks volumes.

BTW, Moore's nic, Morrigan Emaleth, is based on Moorigu, a Celtic war goddess who was supposed to be manifest wherever there was war. A perfect nic for a faux-tough wingnut.

391 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:29:59am

re: #390 Dark_Falcon

Charles has had a rule covering their scope of their rule for many years. I'd ask why it took them so long to catch up, but I don't think I'd like the answer. The fact that they didn't warn Roberta Moore after the first time she said that. and then ban her after the second time speaks volumes.

BTW, Moore's nic, Morrigan Emaleth, is based on Moorigu, a Celtic war goddess who was supposed to be manifest wherever there was war. A perfect nic for a faux-tough wingnut.

Seems to be a trend with lunatics of this ilk. Always delving into fantasy land. She can probably still join the army and go off and fight in AFPAK but won't. That's another trend as well.

392 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:30:21am

A little comedic interlude with a catchy tune...

393 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:37:42am

re: #391 Gus

Seems to be a trend with lunatics of this ilk. Always delving into fantasy land. She can probably still join the army and go off and fight in AFPAK but won't. That's another trend as well.

Those few of wingnut mentalities who were really brave and actually wanted to fight have long since enlisted and done so, or joined law enforcement. But neither the Marines, nor the Army, nor the great majority of police forces has any use for wingnut mentalities, and the enforced contact with reality that is part of those jobs soon knocked the wingnuttiness out of most of them.

Thus, those wingnuts who actually want to fight by and large stop being wingnuts in the process of learning to fight. This is normal, as surviving combat requires a firm grip on reality and being a wingnut (or moonbat) precludes having such a grip.

394 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:38:18am

re: #66 rwmofo

"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."

This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.

This isn't to punch the troll, it's so I can springboard on a common error I see and try to fight.

No, let me punch the troll first. I, too, have six years of college. woohoo, so much for the argument from authority. But I digress.

Believe it or not, work performance and number of hours has been a subject of study for well over a century. In 1909, for example, Sidney Chapman reported his results in his "Hours of Labor" address.

A quick definition here. I'm going to use the non-standard term "good" and "flawed" work. "Good" work is high productivity with a low error rate. As speed of production decreases and/or error rates increase, the work becomes "flawed".

With that noted, I'm going to really simplify the past century or so of studies here - no annotations at this time as I'm pulling this off the top of my head. (It's Sunday morning and I've other things that need done.)

Point one. For most labor type jobs (aka blue collar) employees are able to do good work for about eight hours. After that flaws creep in. On average, workers hit 50% flawed work at around the twelfth hour. In other words, if workers produce 100 unflawed widgets an hour for the first eight hours, by hour 12 they're only producing 50 unflawed widgets. At time and a half the employer's effective cost of labor per widget is tripled.

Point two. For most 'knowledge' jobs (aka white collar) the break is six hours. No, that is not a typo. Six hours is the point at which the brain tends to start demanding a change of venue. The 50% flawed rate starts around 9 hours. However, you can get functional extensions by breaking this up with otherwise undesirable activities such as meetings. Yep, there's actually a reason for those daily excruciating mind-killers; they're restorative (sorta).

The bottom line is that I am no longer impressed, and indeed am the opposite, at any industry where the norm expected and conducted includes hours and hours of overtime. Bluntly, it means the bosses are ignorant and counterproductive. Bragging because you do worse work (though you do not realize it) does not impress me.

Oh, despite saying no annotations, I've got one handy on my desk. This is actually about sleep shortages (a normal consequence of constant overtime). Sleep, Sleep Deprivation, and Human Performance in Continuous Operations. link Working so much you short sleep will allow bursts where the total, even with some of the hours being less than 100%, will still be a lot. But if you sustain that behavior the groups that got their sleep will catch up and outperform you.

Or as one person I know phrases it: You can't sprint a marathon.

395 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:53:39am

re: #394 kirkspencer

My own life corroborates this: When I worked at Officemax I almost always had to work the Sunday shift, simply because most of the staff there could not or would not do so. As the Officemax where I worked was open from 10am to 7pm on Sundays, this meant a 9 1/2 hour day (employees had to be at the store minutes before it opened and we normally left 30 minutes after closing time, with 1/2 an hour off for lunch). The last hour I was often something of a zombie and if I went to dinner afterward I said very little.

More recently, I've seen this happen to me couple times when I've had to stay late at work to finish something I was working on (I'm not required to do that, but I am loath to leave important work incomplete). After noticing it I cut back on how late I'm stay after 5pm, as that kind of tiredness brings on narcolepsy with a vengeance.

396 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:55:29am

re: #395 Dark_Falcon

My own life corroborates this: When I worked at Officemax I almost always had to work the Sunday shift, simply because most of the staff there could not or would not do so. As the Officemax where I worked was open from 10am to 7pm on Sundays, this meant a 9 1/2 hour day (employees had to be at the store minutes before it opened and we normally left 30 minutes after closing time, with 1/2 an hour off for lunch). The last hour I was often something of a zombie and if I went to dinner afterward I said very little.

More recently, I've seen this happen to me couple times when I've had to stay late at work to finish something I was working on (I'm not required to do that, but I am loath to leave important work incomplete). After noticing it I cut back on how late I'm stay after 5pm, as that kind of tiredness brings on narcolepsy with a vengeance.

Note on the bolded passage: The store in question is still there and doing well, but they have since changed their Sunday hours, closing at 6pm instead of 7.

397 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:57:20am

Another Twitter crisis.

Humans.

398 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:03:42am

re: #397 Gus

Another Twitter crisis.

Humans.

What is it this time?

399 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:05:56am

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

What is it this time?

Some MSNBC guy complaining about drones! Which of course bring the Obama WH into the fold by default.

400 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:06:57am

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

What is it this time?

Emo-progs and puritopians. More specifically: [Link: upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com...]

401 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:18:14am

re: #400 Gus

Emo-progs and puritopians. More specifically: [Link: upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com...]

Chris Hayes is a moonbat who's never seen a weapons system he liked or could support the use of. Weak, stupid, and sick.

402 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:28:45am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Chris Hayes is a moonbat who's never seen a weapons system he liked or could support the use of. Weak, stupid, and sick.

He's trying to edge into the Glenn-Greenwald-Industrial-Complex. ;) The trend now is to become all hysterical about UAVs. We have two choices with AFPAK. We either stay or go. Sooner or later we will be leaving. However, it's absurd to focus on drones. It's sort of like debating which is worse, getting shot by a .22 or a shotgun. UAVs can utilize low-yield munitions and more precise targeting against enemy targets. Without UAVs we're looking at what? Some F-18 orbiting around and dropping a 2,000 pound JDAM.

It was the Obama administration that decided to expand the use of UAVs. So every time these guys start complaining about UAVs they're criticizing the Obama White House. Their alternative of course is an unelectable candidate like Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, or any other utopian candidate. Focusing on UAVs seems to be quite a stretch and arguing about the minutia. If they're anti-war then they should be arguing for a complete withdrawal from AFPAK and not the use of "drones". If we stay and hypothetically stop using drones that means it would have to be replaced with traditional munitions platforms.

403 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:39:49am

re: #402 Gus

He's trying to edge into the Glenn-Greenwald-Industrial-Complex. ;) The trend now is to become all hysterical about UAVs. We have two choices with AFPAK. We either stay or go. Sooner or later we will be leaving. However, it's absurd to focus on drones. It's sort of like debating which is worse, getting shot by a .22 or a shotgun. UAVs can utilize low-yield munitions and more precise targeting against enemy targets. Without UAVs we're looking at what? Some F-18 orbiting around and dropping a 2,000 pound JDAM.

It was the Obama administration that decided to expand the use of UAVs. So every time these guys start complaining about UAVs they're criticizing the Obama White House. Their alternative of course is an unelectable candidate like Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, or any other utopian candidate. Focusing on UAVs seems to be quite a stretch and arguing about the minutia. If they're anti-war then they should be arguing for a complete withdrawal from AFPAK and not the use of "drones". If we stay and hypothetically stop using drones that means it would have to be replaced with traditional munitions platforms.

I've a slightly different opinion. If you're bombing people in a nation without that nation's approval, it can be considered an act of war. There are oddities in both Pakistan and Yemen in regard to our use that tells me we're not asking permission there.

It bothers me on several levels.

404 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:43:49am

re: #403 kirkspencer

I've a slightly different opinion. If you're bombing people in a nation without that nation's approval, it can be considered an act of war. There are oddities in both Pakistan and Yemen in regard to our use that tells me we're not asking permission there.

It bothers me on several levels.

That would happen and has happened regardless of the platform. If we didn't have UAVs then we'd send in something else. Strategy and global goals are the larger question not the delivery.

405 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:47:52am

re: #404 Gus

That would happen and has happened regardless of the platform. If we didn't have UAVs then we'd send in something else. Strategy and global goals are the larger question not the delivery.

Yes and no. would happen, has happened, but the drones have made it significantly easier.

Not least in that is the fact that so many of the dones are not military.

406 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:48:54am

re: #403 kirkspencer

I've a slightly different opinion. If you're bombing people in a nation without that nation's approval, it can be considered an act of war. There are oddities in both Pakistan and Yemen in regard to our use that tells me we're not asking permission there.

It bothers me on several levels.

In the case of Pakistan, its mostly been done with a 'wink and a nod'. Which is good enough for me.

407 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:49:39am

re: #405 kirkspencer

Yes and no. would happen, has happened, but the drones have made it significantly easier.

Not least in that is the fact that so many of the drones are not military.

How do you mean?

408 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:51:48am

re: #405 kirkspencer

Yes and no. would happen, has happened, but the drones have made it significantly easier.

Not least in that is the fact that so many of the dones are not military.

Yes, it is easier. So one can question the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen however "drones" really have little to do with the larger question if one wanted to choose such a route. Without the CIA drones we would have used either ground troops (special forces), cruises missiles, or a conventional air strike. It still would have happened and likely have resulted in a greater loss of life on both sides. As far as non-military use of force such as the CIA this isn't anything new as we've done so in Southeast Asia, Central and South America, etc.

409 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:59:21am

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

How do you mean?

A large number are CIA.

410 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:02:29am

It's like that infamous sighting of Osama bin Laden at that hunting camp. They weren't going to use drones since we didn't have any at the time. The plan was to use ship launched cruise missiles or perhaps an airstrike. The CIA was also involved. The UAE also fell into the picture.

411 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:04:25am

re: #409 kirkspencer

A large number are CIA.

Eh, that's actually for the better. Easier to keep key details a secret as well. It's also put fresh blood on the CIA's hands and fresh iron in its spine. In a dangerous world, those are good things for an intelligence agency to be seen as having.

412 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:08:36am

re: #408 Gus

Yes, it is easier. So one can question the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen however "drones" really have little to do with the larger question if one wanted to choose such a route. Without the CIA drones we would have used either ground troops (special forces), cruises missiles, or a conventional air strike. It still would have happened and likely have resulted in a greater loss of life on both sides. As far as non-military use of force such as the CIA this isn't anything new as we've done so in Southeast Asia, Central and South America, etc.

Unproveable statement. And in fact I'd argue it would not have happened.

The problem with using the drones as we do and have is that we are opening a door I don't think we want opened.

In simple it's a parallel to the "no torture" argument: we don't do assassinations.

And yes, I think they're technically assassinations. Are they wartime assassinations (which head into the gray area of sniperdom and such)? Some are, some are not.

413 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:11:28am

re: #412 kirkspencer

Why do you think it being drones makes a difference?

414 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:12:08am

re: #412 kirkspencer

What do you see as a gray area about being a sniper?

415 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:12:40am

re: #412 kirkspencer

Unproveable statement. And in fact I'd argue it would not have happened.

The problem with using the drones as we do and have is that we are opening a door I don't think we want opened.

In simple it's a parallel to the "no torture" argument: we don't do assassinations.

And yes, I think they're technically assassinations. Are they wartime assassinations (which head into the gray area of sniperdom and such)? Some are, some are not.

Sure it would have. It would have been a continuation of US policy since the end of WWII.

416 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:13:27am

That's like saying "get rid of drones" and we'll "end US meddling" so to speak.

417 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:14:55am

re: #411 Dark_Falcon

Eh, that's actually for the better. Easier to keep key details a secret as well. It's also put fresh blood on the CIA's hands and fresh iron in its spine. In a dangerous world, those are good things for an intelligence agency to be seen as having.

No. Oh, god, no. Sorry, DF, but that's as poor a reason as the defenses of torture. (note, I'm not accusing you of being in favor of torture. I'm correlating the argument.)

The job of intelligence agencies is intelligence gathering. Some intelligence agencies double-hat as counterintelligence agencies, where the job is denying enemy intelligence in ways that include misdirection and elimination.

There's a long history of this last ability getting blurred and broadened; of expanding to assassination of leaders and poisoning of food supplies and dropping bacteria in water supplies and a host of other things. They're moving from counterintelligence to what today we call asymmetrical warfare, and at war-crime levels at that.

Intel and counterintel are not enhanced with a reputation of blood and iron any more than interrogation are enhanced by fear and pain.

418 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:15:10am

re: #412 kirkspencer

Unproveable statement. And in fact I'd argue it would not have happened.

The problem with using the drones as we do and have is that we are opening a door I don't think we want opened.

In simple it's a parallel to the "no torture" argument: we don't do assassinations.

And yes, I think they're technically assassinations. Are they wartime assassinations (which head into the gray area of sniperdom and such)? Some are, some are not.

And that's where we disagree: I think we have to do assassinations. There's no other way get rid of some these terror masters and we can't just try to defend against their attacks. Enough attacks will succeed over time to demoralize us, and energize them. If the enemy considers himself at war with and will continually try to attack you, you've got to attack him and kill his forces if you want to live. If that means running international law through a shredder, then so be it.

419 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:18:23am

re: #417 kirkspencer

No. Oh, god, no. Sorry, DF, but that's as poor a reason as the defenses of torture. (note, I'm not accusing you of being in favor of torture. I'm correlating the argument.)

The job of intelligence agencies is intelligence gathering. Some intelligence agencies double-hat as counterintelligence agencies, where the job is denying enemy intelligence in ways that include misdirection and elimination.

There's a long history of this last ability getting blurred and broadened; of expanding to assassination of leaders and poisoning of food supplies and dropping bacteria in water supplies and a host of other things. They're moving from counterintelligence to what today we call asymmetrical warfare, and at war-crime levels at that.

Intel and counterintel are not enhanced with a reputation of blood and iron any more than interrogation are enhanced by fear and pain.

Do you have a specific example of this?

420 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:18:57am

re: #417 kirkspencer

I'm sorry, I'm having a great deal of difficulty figuring out why you have a problem with the killing of 'leaders'. Why should the guy who's giving the orders to the guy to make and plant the IEDs have his life held sacrosanct, while the guy who's making the IEDs can be shot?

421 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:20:53am

Speaking of drones: Drone strike kills four suspected militants in Pakistan

A U.S. drone strike killed four suspected militants in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal region near the Afghan border on Sunday, intelligence officials and witnesses said, the first strike in almost a month.

422 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:25:57am

re: #420 Obdicut

I'm sorry, I'm having a great deal of difficulty figuring out why you have a problem with the killing of 'leaders'. Why should the guy who's giving the orders to the guy to make and plant the IEDs have his life held sacrosanct, while the guy who's making the IEDs can be shot?

"Shall I shoot the simple soldier boy who deserts and yet not touch a hair on the head of the wily agitator who induces him to desert?"

- Abraham Lincoln

423 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:29:18am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

Speaking of drones: Drone strike kills four suspected militants in Pakistan

'Suspected militant' is the military equivalent to Florida's Stand Your Ground law.

424 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:31:04am

Good Morning,

Was just reading about yesterday's anniversary of Operation Tiger. This was the practice landing for D-day that went all murphy on the Army.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

As one person in the article notes, we lost more men practicing for Utah Beach than we lost actually _on_ Utah Beach...

I'll leave the modern day correlation's to those who wish to make them.

425 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:33:44am

re: #423 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

'Suspected militant' is the military equivalent to Florida's Stand Your Ground law.

I'm not sure I would conflate the two. Otherwise, since the Commander in Chief is behind these drone strikes we're approaching a conclusion that Obama is no better than George Zimmerman.

426 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:34:48am

re: #424 William Barnett-Lewis

It looked good on paper.

427 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:37:49am

Or from Al Jazeera:

Deaths in US drone strike in Pakistan
Three suspected fighters killed in missile strike in North Waziristan, local intelligence officials say.

...The use of the remotely piloted aircraft over Pakistan is opposed by most Pakistani politicians and the public, who
consider drone strikes violations of sovereignty with unacceptable civilian casualties.

But despite public opposition, Pakistan appears to have quietly supported the programme, which President Barack Obama ramped up after taking office in 2009.

On January 30, during an online question-and-answer forum sponsored by Google, Obama acknowledged the use of drones to make targeted killings for the first time.

428 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:38:02am

re: #424 William Barnett-Lewis

Good Morning,

Was just reading about yesterday's anniversary of Operation Tiger. This was the practice landing for D-day that went all murphy on the Army.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

As one person in the article notes, we lost more men practicing for Utah Beach than we lost actually _on_ Utah Beach...

I'll leave the modern day correlation's to those who wish to make them.

Not sure if that's practical. The German S-Boats that executed the torpedo attack on those landing craft had first rate technology for their time and were crewed by real sailors lead by real naval officers. Our current enemy seldom has first rate tech and has no real soldiers or officers.

429 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:38:57am

re: #425 Gus

I'm not sure I would conflate the two. Otherwise, since the Commander in Chief is behind these drone strikes we're approaching a conclusion that Obama is no better than George Zimmerman.

Obama isn't involved with deciding on a strike by strike basis. I just get tired of hearing 'suspected militant'...if they know the people are militants then fine, but if they only suspect that people are militants, then not so fine. We've been in Afghanistan for 10 years. Today's suspected militants were photographed getting candy bars from US Marines after we took out the Taliban.

430 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:41:12am

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

The Germans still lost the war.

431 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:44:27am

re: #429 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Obama isn't involved with deciding on a strike by strike basis. I just get tired of hearing 'suspected militant'...if they know the people are militants then fine, but if they only suspect that people are militants, then not so fine. We've been in Afghanistan for 10 years. Today's suspected militants were photographed getting candy bars from US Marines after we took out the Taliban.

To me it just seems almost silly to be advertising a "drone strike" that kills 4 militants -- suspected or otherwise. It's a bit like a police blotter and at that rate this "war" will be over in 100 years. The question for me isn't the method but the overall strategy which I see as futile for the most part. It's like Columbia which is still fighting the FARC. The people that should be fighting the Taliban are the Afghanistan and Pakistan people themselves.

432 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:45:53am

A very scary movie, don't blink...

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

433 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:51:04am

re: #430 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

The Germans still lost the war.

True, but beside the point. My point was that we face a very different enemy now than the Kriegsmarine of WWII, which makes analogies seriously problematic.

434 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:51:11am

Response to a barrage of questions instead of doing one-at-a-times.

Let's start with the issue of my problem with assassinations. The practical is the stated reason Reagan put them in EO12333. If you do them you have no moral ground on which to stand when others use them against you. Less obvious but equally problematical is that they're easier. One of the inherent brakes on using military action against a disliked (much less antagonistic) neighbor is that it takes effort to deploy, and it is subject to public scrutiny.

Add the potential. If it becomes easy, at what point does it happen within the nation? Please don't tell me it'll never happen here. While I've long known we have to resist doing easy evil, the argument of "never here" ended with the whole torture game.

Now, why do I think snipers are a gray area? Because we can and do (historically) send snipers against civilians who directly assist or control the military in war. On the one hand they're not military. On the other it is under color of war and they are directly contributing.

Obdi asked why I think it being drones makes a difference. Again, it's a matter of ease. When it was an assassination/sniper team the team still had difficulties. Drones make it even easier. And whether you like it or not they're going to get easier yet. High altitude long endurance UAVs are beginning to deploy, and there's already testing of loading them with a few guided munitions. (GPS guided bombs from 50,000 feet or higher make the explosives redundant.)

Finally, Obdi asked about poisonings and bacteria. The bacterial attack is fairly easy to demonstrate, starting with the (~600BC) Assyrian practice of poisoning wells with rye ergot a few days prior to an attack. When I wrote of poisoning grain, I was thinking of various scenarios (both fiction and emergency response training). I cannot think of an actual case of this.

435 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:53:09am

Heh...hadn't seen this before.

What it said - What it meant

436 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:57:42am

re: #434 kirkspencer

Let's start with the issue of my problem with assassinations. The practical is the stated reason Reagan put them in EO12333. If you do them you have no moral ground on which to stand when others use them against you.

Rather than referring to someone else, why can't you just state your objection in your own terms? Since EO12333 doesn't define assassination, it's not really satisfactory as a reference.

And the "It's easier" argument is really a non-starter. At best, it's a slippery slope fallacy. At worst, it's a counter-argument; in general, we want to use things at are easier. Is your argument just that it shouldn't be the intelligence services using these drones, that it should be military and have the oversight military operations do?

Now, why do I think snipers are a gray area? Because we can and do (historically) send snipers against civilians who directly assist or control the military in war. On the one hand they're not military. On the other it is under color of war and they are directly contributing.

Can you give an example? For example, would you consider the Nazi leadership to be 'civilians'? Do you think that the leadership of the countries in WWII were not legitimate targets for the other nations, but only the schmucks getting trenchfoot in the forests were?

437 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:59:21am

re: #433 Dark_Falcon

True, but beside the point. My point was that we face a very different enemy now than the Kriegsmarine of WWII, which makes analogies seriously problematic.

And my point is that we have highly trained technical and well-armed troops. As did the Soviets when they occupied Afghanistan in the 1970s and early 1980s...or the English in 1842

438 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:02:11am

re: #276 Inconsequential Consequences

What to expect when the 'private sector' takes over:

Monopolies from large companies eating smaller companies. Wages taking a nose dive, while prices remain stable but quality and product size drops. Massive PR campaigns to convince the consumer they're the ones benefiting.

Large scale group hallucinations of kind, honest, socially responsible corporations.

Multinational corporations taking over for governments as the public sector becomes more and more inefficient in comparison.

And all sports replaced by Rollerball.

439 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:09:16am

re: #437 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

And my point is that we have highly trained technical and well-armed troops. As did the Soviets when they occupied Afghanistan in the 1970s and early 1980s...or the English in 1842

It took Alexander the Great only six months to conquer Persia, the superpower of that age, but it took him nearly three years (from about 330 BC–327 BC) to subdue Afghanistan. And as soon as he died they threw off that subjugation and have been eating empires for breakfast ever since.

440 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:14:13am

re: #439 William Barnett-Lewis

It took Alexander the Great only six months to conquer Persia, the superpower of that age, but it took him nearly three years (from about 330 BC–327 BC) to subdue Afghanistan. And as soon as he died they threw off that subjugation and have been eating empires for breakfast ever since.

It's not a matter of if we get our asses handed to us, but when. Eventually, Afghanistan will get a benefactor to help their resistance to the US, as they did when we helped them against the Soviets. Far better to let them self-manage now while we can still claim some kind of accomplishment.

441 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:16:22am

re: #440 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

It's not a matter of if we get our asses handed to us, but when. Eventually, Afghanistan will get a benefactor to help their resistance to the US, as they did when we helped them against the Soviets. Far better to let them self-manage now while we can still claim some kind of accomplishment.

Horseshit.

442 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:18:23am

re: #440 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

It's not a matter of if we get our asses handed to us, but when. Eventually, Afghanistan will get a benefactor to help their resistance to the US, as they did when we helped them against the Soviets. Far better to let them self-manage now while we can still claim some kind of accomplishment.

Agreed. Right now all we're accomplishing is killing good troopers for absolutely no good reason. I am grateful that myself and all other veterans in my family are out of the Army.

443 erik_t  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:20:01am

re: #440 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Eventually, Afghanistan will get a benefactor to help their resistance to the US, as they did when we helped them against the Soviets.

History repeats itself because of common factors, not because History likes to hear itself talk. What nation has the ability and the interest to influence Afghanistan in a way unfavorable to the United States, and either would not suffer repercussions or would consider the trade to be worth it?

The Cold War is over. Proxy wars seem, to a great extent, to be over. We should GTFO out of Afghanistan, but not because some sort of nebulous shadowy Taliban-supporter is lurking in the wings.

444 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:22:47am

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit.

Sorry DF, but we lost Afganistan the day President Bush turned his attention to Iraq rather than finishing the job. Once that happened, enough of the bad guys slipped off into the mountains to form a cadre that will be recruiting and training young boys till the judgement day. The drones can kill the worst of them & keep them bottled up there but they can't kill them all and they can't change the culture that drives their war against us.

The only way to pacify Afganistan would be to create a peace like that of the moon & Americans, thank God, aren't willing to do that.

BIAB.

445 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:23:00am

re: #443 erik_t

History repeats itself because of common factors, not because History likes to hear itself talk. What nation has the ability and the interest to influence Afghanistan in a way unfavorable to the United States, and either would not suffer repercussions or would consider the trade to be worth it?

The Cold War is over. Proxy wars seem, to a great extent, to be over. We should GTFO out of Afghanistan, but not because some sort of nebulous shadowy Taliban-supporter is lurking in the wings.

QTF.

446 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:23:10am

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit.

I know...you live in a world where secret assassin man with a price can go in and kill the bad guys, but don't worry...it'll all be better when Jesus comes back.

447 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:24:22am

re: #427 Gus

Then Pakistan can do something about the Terrorists, and the towns can stop sheltering them. Though the situation in the NWFP is sop confusing, I couldn't tell you heads or tails what is going on.

448 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:26:00am

re: #443 erik_t

History repeats itself because of common factors, not because History likes to hear itself talk. What nation has the ability and the interest to influence Afghanistan in a way unfavorable to the United States, and either would not suffer repercussions or would consider the trade to be worth it?

The Cold War is over. Proxy wars seem, to a great extent, to be over. We should GTFO out of Afghanistan, but not because some sort of nebulous shadowy Taliban-supporter is lurking in the wings.

True...great line by the way, can I borrow it?...but where one cold war ends, another begins. I don't put it beyond China's interest to keep the US bogged down in a military and fiscal whirl pool. We destroyed the Soviets by letting them bankrupt themselves.

449 erik_t  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:26:02am

re: #445 Dark_Falcon

QTF.

Questionable Taste in Fudge.

450 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:27:07am

re: #449 erik_t

Questionable Taste in Fudge.

Quit Talking French!

451 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:27:51am

re: #449 erik_t

Questionable Taste in Fudge.

Quit Thinking Fucking

452 erik_t  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:27:51am

re: #448 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

True...great line by the way, can I borrow it?...but where one cold war ends, another begins. I don't put it beyond China's interest to keep the US bogged down in a military and fiscal whirl pool. We destroyed the Soviets by letting them bankrupt themselves.

If China gets the United States bogged down in a fiscal whirlpool, who will fill the orders for China's vast slew of factories? I'm sure China would dearly love for the United States to spend less of its budget on military wares, as we don't buy defense equipment from China.

453 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:28:40am

re: #436 Obdicut

Rather than referring to someone else, why can't you just state your objection in your own terms? Since EO12333 doesn't define assassination, it's not really satisfactory as a reference.

Obdicut, that's a really annoying habit. You've got a habit of wanting 'own words' when people make reference to something they think makes the issue clear, and when they use their own words you want cites to support or clarify.

Besides, I DID supplement with my own word, or at least paraphrase. As you just said the EO didn't make it clear, and I certainly didn't link to what Reagan (or Carter or Ford before him) said. Instead I said (and notice I'm quoting): " If you do them you have no moral ground on which to stand when others use them against you."

And the "It's easier" argument is really a non-starter. At best, it's a slippery slope fallacy. At worst, it's a counter-argument; in general, we want to use things at are easier.

No, we do not want to use things that are easier. By the way, slippery slope is not a fallacy, it's an argument. It is a fallacy to use it in all cases, but in this case it is indirectly applicable.

Making things easier makes the slope slippery. Adding friction helps prevent that. The more undesirable the bottom of the slope, the more important friction becomes.

Is your argument just that it shouldn't be the intelligence services using these drones, that it should be military and have the oversight military operations do?

Actually, close. I think it might be valid for intel to use armed drones but it should be done with significant oversight. See my posts above about the role of intel and counterintel.

454 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:28:45am

re: #451 Gus

Quit Quick Thinking Fucking

Fixed to make it more flattering.

455 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:30:15am
456 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:31:33am

re: #452 erik_t

If China gets the United States bogged down in a fiscal whirlpool, who will fill the orders for China's vast slew of factories? I'm sure China would dearly love for the United States to spend less of its budget on military wares, as we don't buy defense equipment from China.

After every great societal collapse, someone comes out on top. We delude ourselves if we take it for granted that it will be us.

457 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:32:54am

(and the rest)
re: #436 Obdicut
Can you give an example? For example, would you consider the Nazi leadership to be 'civilians'? Do you think that the leadership of the countries in WWII were not legitimate targets for the other nations, but only the schmucks getting trenchfoot in the forests were?

Operation Phoenix for the example. And I get the feeling you're not really reading what I write as I said I'm mixed about the targeting of leaders.

Let me give a decent example of many of the problems. Hilda Solis is US Secretary of Labor.

We are currently "at war" with terrorists. Is Secretary Solis a legitimate assassination target?

What if we officially go to war with Iran. Is she then a legitimate target?

What of any state's governor, or for that matter any state's attorney general?

Are they legitimate targets?

458 erik_t  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:33:34am

re: #456 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

After every great societal collapse, someone comes out on top. We delude ourselves if we take it for granted that it will be us.

Completely unhinged from the topic at hand. China's leaders have things pretty good right now, and have no interest in pushing towards a mass societal collapse.

459 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:36:14am

re: #456 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

After every great societal collapse, someone comes out on top. We delude ourselves if we take it for granted that it will be us.

Our delusion is that we think we will never collapse. And thus are willing to keep dancing closer and closer to the precipice chasing the butterflies of legislating morality.

460 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:37:00am

re: #458 erik_t

Problems are beginning to bubble up though. I, for one, want to see the problems overtake China and drive it into the ground. Then have a scientific experiment to see what happens when brutally oppressed groups begin to backlash against all of China, and how the neighbors they have pissed off (which is nearly all of them) begin to stab them in the back.

I'm hoping for an hour of wolves to humiliate China and put it in its place.

461 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:37:33am

re: #446 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

I know...you live in a world where secret assassin man with a price can go in and kill the bad guys, but don't worry...it'll all be better when Jesus comes back.

Those posts were me role-playing and I made clear they were not to be taken seriously.

462 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:37:33am

Okay..re: #458 erik_t

Completely unhinged from the topic at hand. China's leaders have things pretty good right now, and have no interest in pushing towards a mass societal collapse.

Yes, but a good half of America's leaders aren't so forward thinking. I'm more worried about people like Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney than I am Hu Jintao.

463 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:39:42am

re: #461 Dark_Falcon

Those posts were me role-playing and I made clear they were not to be taken seriously.

Oh, I know secret assassin man...just fucking with you. But I will continue to use your line about 'until Jesus comes back.' That fuckin' shit wasn't role playing, but it was hilarious...from afar.

464 kirkspencer  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:41:05am

ugh. Need to go to do stuff the wife demands done. I'll come back to reread further discussion later.

465 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:42:53am

re: #460 ProGunLiberal

Problems are beginning to bubble up though. I, for one, want to see the problems overtake China and drive it into the ground. Then have a scientific experiment to see what happens when brutally oppressed groups begin to backlash against all of China, and how the neighbors they have pissed off (which is nearly all of them) begin to stab them in the back.

I'm hoping for an hour of wolves to humiliate China and put it in its place.

You're doing it again. "An hour of wolves"* is never a thing to be wished for, unless you like the fact that most of the people ravaged by the wolves are decent people who do not deserve such a fate.

*: The phrase is part of the speech by Aragorn before the Black Gates of Mordor in LotR, RotK, as I remember.

466 darthstar  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:43:21am

Okay...things on my list for today:
1. take the dogs for a run
2. mow the lawn
3. finish a bit more laundry
4. go see the SF Giants with some Russian contractors who have been visiting our office for a the last week.

I'd better get started since it's already a quarter to nine.

Oh, and Thank you Staney Sea for the donation!

467 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:43:49am

re: #464 kirkspencer

ugh. Need to go to do stuff the wife demands done. I'll come back to reread further discussion later.

Now we see the truth: The real drone is kirkspencer!

/entirely kidding

468 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:45:09am

Well, I certainly don't have a quick answer. These are big, frustrating issues. All I can say is that I will choose Obama to mitigate these issues of war since I believe he is the best qualified and more reasonable choice.

469 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:46:41am

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

China does need to lose both Tibet and Uyghurstan for their treatment of those minorities. This also helps us. A good chunk of China's mineral resources are in these two areas, and if I am not mistaken, one of those two holds most of the valuable rare earth metals.

China is Paleo-Imperialist, and I despise that.

470 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:47:14am

re: #466 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Okay...things on my list for today:
1. take the dogs for a run
2. mow the lawn
3. finish a bit more laundry
4. go see the SF Giants with some Russian contractors who have been visiting our office for a the last week.

I'd better get started since it's already a quarter to nine.

Oh, and Thank you Staney Sea for the donation!

You be worthy!! Good luck.

472 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:49:41am

Morning Lizards,re: #446 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

I know...you live in a world where secret assassin man with a price can go in and kill the bad guys, but don't worry...it'll all be better when Jesus comes back.

Downvoted because this adds nothing to the discussion and because quite frankly you've demonstrated nothing more than a cartoonish level of knowledge about the operations in Afganistan. If you want to have an honest discussion about this, you could do worse than starting with Rand's How Insurgencies End. In a nutshell, the terrain and Afghan society lend itself well to the Taliban, but cutting off the flow of support from Pakistan and a baseline of support to the Afghan National Government + time can lead to a favorable outcome.

473 allegro  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:50:32am

re: #460 ProGunLiberal

Problems are beginning to bubble up though. I, for one, want to see the problems overtake China and drive it into the ground. Then have a scientific experiment to see what happens when brutally oppressed groups begin to backlash against all of China, and how the neighbors they have pissed off (which is nearly all of them) begin to stab them in the back.

I'm hoping for an hour of wolves to humiliate China and put it in its place.

You seem to have some very creepy and violent rage issues. I don' think China is what you're talking about here and it's disturbing.

474 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:51:24am

re: #472 McSpiff

Unfortunately, I think it is too late to deal with. We installed the wrong sort of Government after the invasion, and we allowed Pakistan too much leeway.

475 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:53:17am

Somebody found this on Something Awful. What story is it referring to?

Image: WliZh.jpg

476 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:54:13am

re: #472 McSpiff

Morning Lizards,

Downvoted because this adds nothing to the discussion and because quite frankly you've demonstrated nothing more than a cartoonish level of knowledge about the operations in Afganistan. If you want to have an honest discussion about this, you could do worse than starting with Rand's How Insurgencies End. In a nutshell, the terrain and Afghan society lend itself well to the Taliban, but cutting off the flow of support from Pakistan and a baseline of support to the Afghan National Government + time can lead to a favorable outcome.

Thank you for the support.

477 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:54:51am

re: #475 ProGunLiberal

Somebody found this on Something Awful. What story is it referring to?

Image: WliZh.jpg

Game of Thrones.

478 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:55:53am

Greetings from Barcelona! I think I'm going to institute the siesta at my company every afternoon. It's very civilized.

Image: 6975274660_018f74e5e8_b.jpg

479 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:56:13am

re: #477 Dark_Falcon

I assume it is relatively accurate?

Although, why did they use a 20+ year old picture of Clinton?

480 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:06:18am
481 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:07:45am

re: #479 ProGunLiberal

I assume it is relatively accurate?

Although, why did they use a 20+ year old picture of Clinton?

Two major changes: Santorum isn't all that popular in the Midwest and Al Gore did not "have his throne stolen".

482 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:09:22am

re: #453 kirkspencer

Obdicut, that's a really annoying habit. You've got a habit of wanting 'own words' when people make reference to something they think makes the issue clear, and when they use their own words you want cites to support or clarify.

No, that's not true. I want citations of fact, not of opinion-- except when talking about stuff like experts talking on the economy. In this case, referencing Reagan's executive order isn't enough because it doesn't define what an assassination is, nor does it touch on any of the moral or ethical grounds. It doesn't give a reason, and what I'm asking for is a reason.

Besides, I DID supplement with my own word, or at least paraphrase. As you just said the EO didn't make it clear, and I certainly didn't link to what Reagan (or Carter or Ford before him) said. Instead I said (and notice I'm quoting): " If you do them you have no moral ground on which to stand when others use them against you."

Again, to me that's a non-argument. If we're talking about assassination by using something like a drone to kill a military leader, then I'm fine with that being done to us. If the Germans had had better guidance systems on V2s and were able to target Eisenhower, Churchill, or even the President, I'd say that's a perfectly acceptable attack-- all of those people control the military.

No, we do not want to use things that are easier. By the way, slippery slope is not a fallacy, it's an argument. It is a fallacy to use it in all cases, but in this case it is indirectly applicable.

It is both an argument, and a fallacy. I'm saying the way you're using it is in the manner of a fallacy-- arguing that things will inevitably get worse, without actually making the argument that it's so. The same argument could be used against scopes on rifles.

Making things easier makes the slope slippery. Adding friction helps prevent that. The more undesirable the bottom of the slope, the more important friction becomes.

Analogies are generally more entertaining than informative, that one included. What is the 'bottom of the slope'? Unrestricted warfare?

Actually, close. I think it might be valid for intel to use armed drones but it should be done with significant oversight. See my posts above about the role of intel and counterintel.

Then what is all your talk about assassination in reference to?

Operation Phoenix for the example. And I get the feeling you're not really reading what I write as I said I'm mixed about the targeting of leaders.

If I missed anything, I apologize. Can you point out where you said you're 'mixed', and can you explain why you're mixed about it?

Let me give a decent example of many of the problems. Hilda Solis is US Secretary of Labor.

We are currently "at war" with terrorists. Is Secretary Solis a legitimate assassination target?

No, she's not in control of anything related to the military.

What of any state's governor, or for that matter any state's attorney general?

Are they legitimate targets?

No, again, they're not in charge of the military. (The Governors might be legitimate military targets during an actual invasion of the US, but not otherwise.)

483 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:12:59am

Breitbart editor and "Harvard law grad" sends attack dogs after the wrong Dan Savage on Twitter.

He's done so twice this morning and is ignoring several people including myself pointing out this error.

SOP for the Breitbots.

484 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:14:08am

re: #483 Gus

Heh. The real Dan Savage vs. Breitbartians is a completely unfair fight. Savage is smart, and, well, savage.

485 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:15:55am

BBL

486 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:16:14am

I also love all these adults claiming 'bullying'. Do the morons not get that we're talking about bullying in school? Sure, the problems can extend into adult life, but bullying and just insulting people are wildly different things. It shows an absolute ignorance about what bullying is and why it's a problem, to think that Cain is being bullied by Savage saying "Suck my dick".

487 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:19:44am

re: #403 kirkspencer

I think we've got permission, within certain limitations.

For instance, with Pakistan, we've got tacit approval from members of the Pakistani military and some within the Pakistani government.

We don't have permission from the tribal groups that are autonomous within the frontier provinces. We don't have the best relationship with the ISI, particularly since we embarrassed the heck out of them with the OBL raid (among other things).

To put it mildly, things are complicated in Pakistan.

Yemen isn't all that different, although the government is even weaker and less capable of holding together its territories. We once again probably have agreements with the Yemeni military (and the prior regime for that matter), but while Pakistan has an actual semi-autonomous region - the frontier provinces that were part and parcel of their independence and historical relationship, the Yemeni regime has historically been weak and an outgrowth of its makeup of different tribal groups.

488 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:20:36am

Egypt is continuing its slide down the crazy hole:

489 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:20:48am

re: #486 Obdicut

I also love all these adults claiming 'bullying'. Do the morons not get that we're talking about bullying in high school? Sure, the problems can extend into adult life, but bullying and just insulting people are wildly different things. It shows an absolute ignorance about what bullying is and why it's a problem, to think that Cain is being bullied by Savage saying "Suck my dick".

You can see most of the morons in action here.

490 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:21:53am
491 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:24:34am

re: #488 ProGunLiberal

Yet, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis are backing the moderate guy.

The main missionary and political groups of the ultraconservatives, known as Salafis, threw their support behind Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh, a dissident former leader of the Muslim Brotherhood known for his tolerant and inclusive view of Islamic law.

The endorsement goes a long way toward making Mr. Aboul Fotouh the front-runner in a campaign that could shape the ultimate outcome of the revolt that ousted the former strongman, Hosni Mubarak.

Mr. Aboul Fotouh’s liberal understanding of Islamic law on matters of individual freedom and economic equality had already made him the preferred candidate of many Egyptian liberals.

His endorsement on Saturday by the Salafis now makes him the candidate of Egypt’s most determined conservatives, too. Known for their strict focus on Islamic law, the Salafis often talk of reviving medieval Islamic corporal punishments, restricting women’s dress and the sale of alcohol, and cracking down on heretical culture.

492 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:27:54am

re: #491 lawhawk

Why would they support someone like that?

493 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:29:59am

re: #492 Obdicut

There is something else going on that me (or the rest of us) don't fully grasp. I think their is something insidious going on. The Salafis are incapable of good, so why are they supporting an ostensible moderate. The only thing I can think of is that they think Fotouh is pliable.

494 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:33:45am

re: #492 Obdicut

Pragmatism. Some influence is better than none, and maybe they're betting that he's going to allow them to continue operating and proselytizing, something that hadn't been possible with the Sadat and Mubarak regimes.

In a way, it could be that they figure that if they make a concession here - and back Fatouh, they'll get something down the road - or that they'll have a greater opportunity to focus on the parliament. With the Constitution still to be determined, focusing on the Parliament and how the constitution functions may be where they're going. They could realize that they'd be able to limit the power of the president and/or prime minister positions, while maximizing their power and influence via the parliament.

Those are some huge questions to be resolved, but I think that's what they're looking at - to focus on the parliament.

495 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:34:54am

re: #493 ProGunLiberal

He's split from the MB and has shown a streak of independence. I don't think he's going back on that, but rather the Salafis and MB are both looking at ways of influencing the process through the parliament.

496 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:38:08am

re: #494 lawhawk

Heh. Egypt may wind up with an extremist party causing chaos in the legislature while a moderate head tries to be tolerant. What does that remind me of?

497 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:46:33am

Looks like the anti-government wingnut who shot his wife and daughter shot himself, too.

[Link: mynorthwest.com...]

498 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:57:58am

re: #492 Obdicut

Why would they support someone like that?

Back the most likely winner, get at least some political capital to spend later perhaps?

499 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:59:05am

Morning all!

Heard of this magazine?

How is it?

500 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:00:04am
To Keep the Faith, Don’t Get Analytical

Many people with religious convictions feel that their faith is rock solid. But a new study finds that prompting people to engage in analytical thinking can cause their religious beliefs to waver, if only a little. Researchers say the findings have potentially significant implications for understanding the cognitive underpinnings of religion.

Psychologists often carve thinking into two broad categories: intuitive thinking, which is fast and effortless (instantly knowing whether someone is angry or sad from the look on her face, for example); and analytic thinking, which is slower and more deliberate (and used for solving math problems and other tricky tasks). Both kinds of thinking have their strengths and weaknesses, and they often seem to interfere with one another. "Recently there's been an emerging consensus among [researchers] … that a lot of religious beliefs are grounded in intuitive processes," says Will Gervais, a graduate student at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver, in Canada and a co-author of the new study, published today in Science.

501 Tigger2005  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:06:04am

The Avengers movie should be cool. But I have to wonder, if Tony Stark has an outfit that gives him god-like powers, why doesn't he provide custom-made suits to Hawkeye and Black Widow? And even to Captain America?

And if you did a Marvel/DC crossover, how do you explain why billionaire Bruce Wayne can make a totally cool bat-suit, but it doesn't give him the ability to fly or shoot energy beams like Tony Stark's suit does?

I demand logic and consistency in my comic book universes!

502 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:11:37am

re: #344 EdDantes

I am now in Bakersfield, ca. All services are fast and the people are polite. At 248 pm yesterday I called Bright house (cable and internet provider) for TV and high speed internet service. Both were installed by 418 pm. This would not happen in the San Fran bay area where I moved from.

I told my wife before the move to expect friendlier people. We were not disappointed.

On the down side, you're now in Bakersfield.

(I am the daughter of a man who escaped from Fresno to the Bay Area, so my take on these things is much skewed by family tradition. But if you guys are enjoying yourselves, is all good. Keep the AC on.)

503 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:18:30am

re: #390 Dark_Falcon

Charles has had a rule covering their scope of their rule for many years. I'd ask why it took them so long to catch up, but I don't think I'd like the answer. The fact that they didn't warn Roberta Moore after the first time she said that. and then ban her after the second time speaks volumes.

BTW, Moore's nic, Morrigan Emaleth, is based on Moorigu, a Celtic war goddess who was supposed to be manifest wherever there was war. A perfect nic for a faux-tough wingnut.

I'm baffled as to why they think the Morrigan would consider what they do 'war'.

The 'Emaleth' part seems to be from an Anne Rice novel.

504 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:20:28am

OK, had a flight, then slept a bit. Any fresh derp today?

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:23:09am

re: #475 ProGunLiberal

Somebody found this on Something Awful. What story is it referring to?

Image: WliZh.jpg

"Always going on about climate change."

ROFL

But comparing Sarah Palin to Danaerys isn't flattering to either of them, frankly.

506 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:23:47am

Oh yes.

[Link: www.gainesville.com...]

Dove World Outreach Center pastor Terry Jones on Saturday burned copies of the Quran and an image depicting Muhammad in front of his church to protest the imprisonment in Iran of a Christian clergyman.

Reminds me of Image: 18291168.jpg

507 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:25:20am

re: #432 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

A very scary movie, don't blink...

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

too funny!

508 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:29:15am

Jeez, will you look at the Breitbrats clutching their pearls over Dan Savage today?

They're firing up the right wing virtual lynch mob.

509 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:32:01am

re: #508 Charles Johnson

He's a big bully, you see, because when an adult insults another adult, we call that 'bullying'. Oh wait, no we don't.

I love how anyone who's even invited by the White House to come to an event becomes an advisor, czar, or their chief expert.

510 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:38:00am

Some think that Newt's long, obnoxious farewell may cost him a chance to speak at the convention this summer.

[Link: thehill.com...]

511 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:57:46am

off to brush the dogs.

Have a great one all!

512 Digital Display  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 11:02:51am

So while it's a bit slow.I posted last night I had just the most awesome day yesterday at a Huge country BBQ in Oklahoma..Enough food to feed a small African nation and a bunch of sports fans watching basketball on the big screen..I was in heaven..So a few thoughts..
My eye caught the ex-college wrestler from OU..You always make a note at a big unfamiliar party.. Who in this room if a fight breaks out do you avoid? The wrestler dude.. It's funny, they always wear a Tee-shirt that is 2 sizes too small to show off the muscles..
The young bucks at the party were loud, opinionated and funny as hell...
Another moment that I won't forget..A bunch of us guys were sitting around smoking cigars and injuries came up..The soft spoken wrestler dude talked about his left ACL operation ( Like I said..The most dangerous man in the room ) and soon there was talk of dozens of injuries from everybody.. Each trying to outdo the other..I smiled..It was classic..
Lot's of dogs in the country..And it drove Winston freaking nuts when I got home..He would not stop sniffing me all night and it was pissing me off..
Do you realize how many marriages would be safe and secure if we had noses like a dog?


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