Obama at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner
The White House Correspondents’ Association dinner is being streamed live at C-SPAN: 2012 White House Correspondents’ Dinner.
President Obama is now at the podium, apparently sans teleprompters.
The White House Correspondents’ Association dinner is being streamed live at C-SPAN: 2012 White House Correspondents’ Dinner.
President Obama is now at the podium, apparently sans teleprompters.
2 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:02:47pm |
"I was just relieved to find out this wasn't a GSA conference."
I laughed out loud.
4 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:08:56pm |
Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.
5 | Lidane Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:09:56pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
LOL you for thinking that we have left-wing economic policies in place now.
6 | Batman Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:10:54pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.
But the Clinton economy was just a delayed reaction to Reaganomics!
7 | Artist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:11:14pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.
Atleast try and post something that resembles reality.
8 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:11:41pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.
What lessons were we supposed to learn from 2001-2009, mofo?
9 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:12:42pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.
The economy has been under recovery despite the consequences of right wing policies. You can thank the first Black President for that.
10 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:13:15pm |
re: #6 Batman
But the Clinton economy was just a delayed reaction to Reaganomics!
Agreed. I'll admit that when the Republican congress crammed the balanced budget down Clinton's throat, that was a good thing.
11 | Charles Johnson Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:13:56pm |
"I had a lot more material prepared, but I have to get the Secret Service home in time for their new curfew."
12 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:14:57pm |
re: #8 Assemble!
What lessons were we supposed to learn from 2001-2009, mofo?
MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?
14 | Batman Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:16:01pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?
Bwahahahahahah. Gas prices here have been stable since 2004. That is to say, very high.
15 | Artist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:16:21pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?
The president does not control gas prices.
16 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:16:59pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?
Did you forget the massive recession we just went through, that started under a right wing president well into his second term?
You're dense, to put it politely.
17 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:17:17pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?
You realize oil is a global commodity, right?
I like how deficits didn't matter until Obama took office, by the way. Nice way to avoid that issue.
19 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:19:48pm |
re: #15 Sonic the Hedgehog
The president does not control gas prices.
Unless they're really high and the President is Republican, right?
20 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:20:04pm |
re: #14 Batman
Bwahahahahahah. Gas prices here have been stable since 2004. That is to say, very high.
You do realize we will never have cheap gas again? Right?
21 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:20:13pm |
re: #10 rwmofo
Agreed. I'll admit that when the Republican congress crammed the balanced budget down Clinton's throat, that was a good thing.
Latent teh ghey reference there. Let's raise the discussion to testicle analogies.
22 | Interesting Times Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:20:21pm |
re: #16 Kronocide
Did you forget the massive recession we just went through, that started under a right wing president well into his second term?
You're dense, to put it politely.
You think this is bad? Check out the dead-thread derp he left here. Aggressively, willfully stupid idiot thinks forced vaginal probes, waiting periods, and giving employers the right to "morally" object to ANY medical procedure are just fine and dandy, because durr hurr, we right-wingers didn't literally declare a war on women!
23 | Artist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:20:34pm |
re: #19 rwmofo
Unless they're really high and the President is Republican, right?
Wrong. I did not imply this at all.
25 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:22:03pm |
re: #19 rwmofo
Unless they're really high and the President is Republican, right?
Very good. So does the President have control over gas prices or not?
26 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:22:40pm |
re: #9 Kronocide
The economy has been under recovery despite the consequences of right wing policies. You can thank the first Black President for that.
If we had gone the total austerity path we would be like European countries wondering why dramatic cuts to government haven't revived the economy and out GDP is shrinking.
Austerity is bullshit.
27 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:22:41pm |
re: #16 Kronocide
Did you forget the massive recession we just went through, that started under a right wing president well into his second term?
You're dense, to put it politely.
No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.
28 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:23:34pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.
It's the fucking WHCD roast and you're here taking a big old dump. Pardon my French but why don't you go fuck yourself.
29 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:23:49pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.
No point, you wingnuts are immune to facts anyway.
30 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:24:00pm |
re: #22 Interesting Times
Wow, doing the Douchey Dance there. Smells like a flounce coming on.
Troll gonna troll.
31 | Artist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:24:10pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.
You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
32 | Interesting Times Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:24:34pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
No supporting data
Here's some supporting data I'm more than happy to shove down your throat. Choke on this too.
34 | What, me worry? Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:25:12pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.
You seriously think that Romney is going to do better than Obama? I hate to think what this country would have looked like if McCain won.
36 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:26:07pm |
re: #34 What, me worry?
You seriously think that Romney is going to do better than Obama? I hate to think what this country would have looked like if McCain won.
He would have had a heart attack and President Palin would be running the show.
37 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:26:37pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
No supporting data - but a quick draw on the name-calling. Typical left-wing response.
You have no supporting data. You blamed high unemployment on Obama completely ignoring the fact that a major recession started under Bush and was well under way. This is not even disputable, but in your case it's forgettable. Did you forget, or are you purposely ignoring this well know fact?
I don't think all the facts have any relation to your rhetoric or your reality.
38 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:27:33pm |
re: #20 moderatelyradicalliberal
You do realize we will never have cheap gas again? Right?
Yeah, just concede defeat without even trying to solve the problem - a problem which can be easily addressed.
40 | Artist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:27:55pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
Yeah, just concede defeat without even trying to solve the problem - a problem which can be easily addressed.
Incorrect again.
41 | allegro Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:28:39pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
Yeah, just concede defeat without even trying to solve the problem - a problem which can be easily addressed.
Hmmm, lemme guess... drill, baby, drill? I guess you missed the part about drilling INCREASING under Obama, right?
42 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:29:19pm |
Cheap gas? Drill baby, drill! Problem fixed you pussies.
Cheap gas is a problem.
43 | Eventual Carrion Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:29:20pm |
re: #8 Assemble!
What lessons were we supposed to learn from 2001-2009, mofo?
That if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing. If a poor person is given something the are leaches on society.
44 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:29:32pm |
re: #36 moderatelyradicalliberal
No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."
45 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:30:24pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
Yeah, just concede defeat without even trying to solve the problem - a problem which can be easily addressed.
Oil is a finite resource moron. That means it runs out eventually. As more and more people use it it runs out faster, becomes harder to procure and gets more expensive. Gas was 99 cents a gallon 15 years ago that will never be true again. Get over it.
46 | What, me worry? Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:30:46pm |
re: #44 rwmofo
No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."
lol Let me guess. Shoot the poor? You know you want to.
47 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:31:30pm |
re: #41 allegro
Hmmm, lemme guess... drill, baby, drill? I guess you missed the part about drilling INCREASING under Obama, right?
I assume you're talking about the one that Obama is currently blocking.
48 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:31:47pm |
Unleash the private sector? I think this is more about unleashing the corporate theocracy. Stupid dupes believing in libertardian claptrap.
49 | allegro Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:31:47pm |
re: #46 What, me worry?
lol Let me guess. Shoot the poor? You know you want to.
I suppose that is more humane then slow starvation and dying from easily treatable diseases.
50 | Sheila Broflovski Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:32:30pm |
re: #47 rwmofo
I assume you're talking about the one that Obama is currently blocking.
MOAR JOBZ FOR CANADIANS!
51 | allegro Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:33:03pm |
re: #47 rwmofo
I assume you're talking about the one that Obama is currently blocking.
Dude, you realize that he can't block Canada from drilling, don't you?
52 | Eventual Carrion Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:33:09pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?
Were you saying that at the time(s) under Bush when gasoline was averaging $4.09 a gal. nationally? Bush said he had no magic wand to bring the price down. Do you think Obama has that wand and is refusing to use it?
53 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:33:14pm |
re: #44 rwmofo
No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."
Who the fuck is "we"? Are you the owner of a billionaire? Do you own a multi national corporation? Damn you wingnuts are stupid. You like policies that benefit the 1% because you actually think you are a part of the 1%. You think you are a member of the club.
LOL @ the wingnut!
54 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:33:52pm |
re: #47 rwmofo
I assume you're talking about the one that Obama is currently blocking.
Oil production has increased under Obama despite Keystone being blocked. Can you reconcile those two facts?
55 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:34:02pm |
re: #46 What, me worry?
lol Let me guess. Shoot the poor? You know you want to.
Go ahead. What else do you have to add here? Run with this one.
56 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:35:33pm |
I feel like I'm talking to a right wing radio show, not a real person.
Is this some kind of Ayn Rand App put out by the JBS?
57 | allegro Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:36:40pm |
re: #56 Kronocide
I feel like I'm talking to a right wing radio show, not a real person.
Is this some kind of Ayn Rand App put out by the JBS?
Must be. It just spews lies and misdirects. Never responds to the facts destroying them.
58 | Interesting Times Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:39:00pm |
Oh look, Koch brothers talking-point-spouting troll rwmofo is too gutless to respond to this:
The bill to reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act of 1994 has passed the Senate, and every single Senator who voted against it was a Republican man.
Typical right-winger :P
59 | What, me worry? Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:41:40pm |
re: #55 rwmofo
Go ahead. What else do you have to add here? Run with this one.
Sorry you didn't get my point. Moderatelyradicaliberal got it with her 1% comment. But it's ok. I know you guys aren't so quick on the uptake.
60 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:42:02pm |
Responding to points by not responding to them and making new points.
When those are responded to make new points.
Don't ever stick to a point and talk it through.
ADD Debate
62 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:43:32pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.
up yours, limpdick :D
63 | Eventual Carrion Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:44:03pm |
64 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:44:27pm |
re: #55 rwmofo
Go ahead. What else do you have to add here? Run with this one.
Kiss your picture of Ronald Reagan before bed
65 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:44:29pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?
Is there some mental malfunction you have that causes you to post things so DERPy that even other conservatives have to downding you?
66 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:44:31pm |
re: #43 RayFerd
That if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing. If a poor person is given something the are leaches on society.
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
67 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:45:13pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
Fortunately this time next year, when our economy is in recovery under a new President, we'll be able to look back and see the consequences of left-wing policies. AKA: A teachable illustration.
And if not, just blame it on Obama, right? "We'd have the economy booming, if not for these damned Democrats!"
68 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:45:19pm |
69 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:46:25pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
On the internet, all trolls are cosmically successful :D
pull reagan's dick, mine's not for sale!
70 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:46:52pm |
GUYS I HAVE THREE DEGREES ALSO I'M A NEUROSURGEON VOTE REPUBLICAN!
71 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:47:13pm |
I HAVE AN ARSENAL OF WEAPONS IN MY MANSION AND THREE LAMBORGHINIS VOTE REPUBLICAN
72 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:47:33pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
What do you do for work?
73 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:47:35pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
Oh, you poor dears, so put upon. How ungrateful we are, the great unwashed masses who get told that we're not paying enough taxes and thinking that we should have some sort of security if we should fall or for our twilight years. How awful we are for thinking that a CEO should not be able to pay a lower tax rate than his secretary.
///
74 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:47:43pm |
LET ME LINK YOU TO A PICTURE OF MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE PLAYBOY WATERMARK
75 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:48:07pm |
GUYS I AM A VERY IMPORTANT REPUBLICAN BUSINESSMAN YOU SHOULD TOTALLY TRUST ME BECAUSE I MAKE A LOT OF SENSE
76 | Eventual Carrion Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:48:59pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
[snip]
But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
You're a 1%? Hanging out here on a Saturday night? Cool. At least you aren't out fucking someone over. Did you at least go out to dinner and make fun of leaving a .10 tip to those overpaid waitstaff?
77 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:49:14pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
Would you please get rid of that Reagan avatar? He was a man of good sense, good sense you mock by associating your nuttiness with his memory.
78 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:49:21pm |
I PROP UP THE BUSINESS WORLD AND BRING PROSPERITY TO THOUSANDS
BELIEVE EVERY WORD I SAY EVEN THOUGH I AM JUST SOME ANONYMOUS GUY ON A BLOG, I AM VERY TRUSTWORTHY VOTE REPUBLICAN
79 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:49:39pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
Oh... rich people work their asses off. Poor people don't.
Not to mention, you seem to know a lot about left wingers.
Did you learn this in college, or somewhere else?
81 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:51:29pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
TELL US ABOUT YOUR BEAUTIFUL WIFE!!!
83 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:52:41pm |
he puts in extra hours, nights and weekends!
you hear that? holy shit! worship His Immaculate Nutsack!
84 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:52:51pm |
85 | allegro Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:53:04pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
Only six years and one Masters? Slacker.
86 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:53:18pm |
re: #77 Dark_Falcon
Would you please get rid of that Reagan avatar? He was a man of good sense, good sense you mock by associating your nuttiness with his memory.
Don't waste your energy worrying over the notion that I might care what you think. I'll do what I want, dickhead.
87 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:53:31pm |
88 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:11pm |
re: #86 rwmofo
Don't waste your energy worrying over the notion that I might care what you think. I'll do what I want, dickhead.
I DO WHAT I WANT!
See. It is Cartman.
89 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:16pm |
re: #86 rwmofo
Don't waste your energy worrying over the notion that I might care what you think. I'll do what I want, dickhead.
Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?
90 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:26pm |
re: #86 rwmofo
Don't waste your energy worrying over the notion that I might care what you think. I'll do what I want, dickhead.
IS HE ALSO A "MOFO"? :D :D
91 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:35pm |
re: #72 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
What do you do for work?
Indeed, I'd love to know what sort of back-breaking labor this poor MBA does, that he feels so set-upon by us common folk. Need to know the right type of cheese to go with the whine.
92 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:41pm |
93 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:46pm |
I love when stupid morons point out to the rest of us that they went to college and got an MBA.
Masters in Bullshit Atavism
Must have flunked Critical Thinking and Debate.
94 | allegro Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:54:47pm |
re: #89 Assemble!
Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?
Attention. It does do that right.
96 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:55:31pm |
re: #92 rwmofo
lawls
Ah, a shit-stirring troll with delusions of grandeur. You assholes are dime a dozen.
97 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:55:31pm |
re: #89 Assemble!
Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?
an audience!
AN AUDIENCE TO TELL ALL ABOUT HIS AMAZING EXPLOITS
I GOT ME A CAR WITH LARGE RIMS, I AM A "MOFO"
98 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:56:02pm |
99 | Eventual Carrion Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:56:20pm |
re: #89 Assemble!
Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?
Ridicule and scorn. It's cheaper here than going down to the S&M parlor downtown.
100 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:56:56pm |
HE'LL DO WHAT HE WANTS ON SOMEONE ELSE'S BLOG, HE'S MOFONALD MOFEAGAN!
GUYS, THIS IS A VERY VALUABLE HUMAN, HE HAS A DEGREE AND WORKS NIGHTS!!!
101 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:57:13pm |
re: #92 rwmofo
lawls
Well, you surely provide plenty of them, or more accurately, WindUpBird produces the laughter by mocking you.
102 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:57:43pm |
Rightwingmotherfucker, at least divulge the type of job you do.
All of us have. Defense contractor? Hedge fund manager? Landscape manager for a school district (nah) Lawyer? (nah) psychologist? (maybe) or WHAT? Seriously you just drop bombs on this blog, you need to let us know more. Or you're toast.
103 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:57:48pm |
104 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:57:53pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
tell us what car you drive
you know you want to!
105 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:58:03pm |
I love it when 'educated' folk are fucking destroyed by the poor peasants with little effort.
106 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:58:32pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
do you have a beautiful house?
107 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:58:47pm |
re: #105 Kronocide
I love it when 'educated' folk are fucking destroyed by the poor peasants with little effort.
Like I said downstairs, nothing is quite as disheartening as watching somebody think they sound "smart" when all they really sound like is a well-educated idiot.
108 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:59:14pm |
rwmofo = Palooka
Palooka will battle anyone, anytime, anywhere - he seems to love it, even though he always takes a beating. After a terrific pounding at the hands of, for example, Kung-Fu Master, he'll just struggle to his feet and wobble back into the ring. His astonishing ability to absorb punishment leads one to suspect that during his long Warrior career Palooka has taken a few too many punches. Often, as an act of mercy, Nanny will step in to stop the fight.
109 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:59:25pm |
110 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 7:59:59pm |
re: #107 Targetpractice
Like I said downstairs, nothing is quite as disheartening as watching somebody think they sound "smart" when all they really sound like is a well-educated idiot.
It's not clear Mr Mofo, if that is his real name, is actually educated.
Minor Quibble... carry on.
111 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:00:13pm |
re: #109 rwmofo
Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?
HE IS A MOFO!!!
HE DOES NOT TAKE THE QUESTIONS, HE DEALS THEM OUT!!
112 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:00:20pm |
re: #109 rwmofo
Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?
What bridge do you hide under, mofo?
113 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:00:47pm |
re: #109 rwmofo
Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?
AM I A SPORT??
OR AM I A TIGER???
HOW ABOUT A CHAMP?? PERHAPS WE ARE "CHAMPS"???
MAYBE A "KIDDO"?
114 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:01:06pm |
re: #109 rwmofo
Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?
LET US MEASURE OUR PENISES!!!!!!
117 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:01:48pm |
re: #113 windupbird is in the gravity well
AM I A SPORT??
OR AM I A TIGER???
HOW ABOUT A CHAMP?? PERHAPS WE ARE "CHAMPS"???
MAYBE A "KIDDO"?
Heh. I don't know. You tell me.
119 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:01:54pm |
re: #110 Kronocide
It's not clear Mr Mofo, if that is his real name, is actually educated.
Minor Quibble... carry on.
That's always the problem with trolls, even the most "intelligent" sounding ones might just be regurgitating what they read at Heritage.
120 | Interesting Times Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:10pm |
YOU MEAN LIBTARDS STOP NAME-CALLING RWMOFO! HE IS VERY BUSY ELECTORALLY FELLATING THE MEN WHO TAKE AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHTS!
121 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:12pm |
SALUTE THE INTERNET BUSINESSMAN
EVERY TROLL IS BILLED AT THE HOURLY RATE
122 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:17pm |
re: #114 windupbird is in the gravity well
LET US MEASURE OUR PENISES!!!
I didn't sign up for this! I just wanted to post stupid comments on a blog!!
123 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:36pm |
124 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:37pm |
125 | allegro Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:02:43pm |
re: #114 windupbird is in the gravity well
LET US MEASURE OUR PENISES!!!
Dammit, you just made me spit perfectly lovely Merlot. Such a waste. Bad bird, bad.
126 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:03:04pm |
re: #125 allegro
Dammit, you just made me spit perfectly lovely Merlot. Such a waste. Bad bird, bad.
hahahaha I'm sorry ^_^
127 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:03:22pm |
I interrupt this pile-on to deliver the following rant:
Do you suppose that before you decide to fertilize with manure on a Saturday afternoon, you might just let the neighbors know, just in case they were planning on, oh, I don't know, using their back yard right then?
128 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:03:28pm |
re: #109 rwmofo
Just curious, sport. What do you bring to the table?
At the very least, Gus does not contribute vapid derp. Objectively reviewing the record, Gus creates lots of actual Pages.
You create derp. A whole lot of it.
Now that I answered your question, counter with Obama stopped Keystone.
129 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:03:55pm |
re: #127 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I interrupt this pile-on to deliver the following rant:
Do you suppose that before you decide to fertilize with manure on a Saturday afternoon, you might just let the neighbors know, just in case they were planning on, oh, I don't know, using their back yard right then?
Yeah, I think it might be nice to give the neighbors a heads-up.
130 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:03:55pm |
re: #125 allegro
Dammit, you just made me spit perfectly lovely Merlot. Such a waste. Bad bird, bad.
but I can't stop!
HE CANNOT STOP ADDICTED TO THE SHINDIG
131 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:04:09pm |
re: #118 Gus
A 16 inch dick. Yourself?
Ha!!! I hope you're paid accordingly. Union dues must be a bitch!
132 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:04:11pm |
re: #106 windupbird is in the gravity well
do you have a beautiful house?
You're asking about his beautiful house, his large automobile, and his beautiful wife? At this rate oyur next question will be: "How did you get here?"
133 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:04:32pm |
re: #127 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I interrupt this pile-on to deliver the following rant:
Do you suppose that before you decide to fertilize with manure on a Saturday afternoon, you might just let the neighbors know, just in case they were planning on, oh, I don't know, using their back yard right then?
Join in! It's fun! Don't feel bad... he's a mofo! He can take it!
134 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:04:37pm |
re: #128 Kronocide
At the very least, Gus does not contribute vapid derp. Objectively reviewing the record, Gus creates lots of actual Pages.
You create derp. A whole lot of it.
Now that I answered your question, counter with Obama stopped Keystone.
CCHHHAAAPPPAAAAQUIIDDDDDIIIICCCCCKKKKKKK
135 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:04:46pm |
136 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:05:06pm |
re: #114 windupbird is in the gravity well
LET US MEASURE OUR PENISES!!!
Long as an MBA, bigger around than a PhD. With Grad School nutz to round out my Mega Sack.
137 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:05:30pm |
re: #128 Kronocide
At the very least, Gus does not contribute vapid derp. Objectively reviewing the record, Gus creates lots of actual Pages.
You create derp. A whole lot of it.
Now that I answered your question, counter with Obama stopped Keystone.
Keystone, the greatest GOP excuse for an actual issue that I've seen in awhile. TransCanada's lobbyist money is definitely well spent.
138 | Digital Display Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:05:56pm |
Hi Lizards! Halftime Report
I had just the most awesome day today..Got invited to a BBQ in the country to watch Basketball..( Moose Connection )
1) When they say a BBQ in the Country in Oklahoma..They ain't shitting you..)
2) I'm not sure what is bigger..A Texas or Oklahoma BBQ..But we could have fed a small African Nation Today..
3) It was great hanging out with a bunch of guys rooting about sports and trash talking and having a great time..It was a great time..Some body would say, ' Fuck you and the Pacers Hoopster!' And we all would be laughing. I really miss those days and these folks are great..
4) Crazy food..I think there was every food available including every kind of Link, brats..sausage whatever..I don't eat that shit but they had different hot links and one so hot it made men cry..After so many beers I kind of tasted one..just a tad and my lips started burning..
So I brought a ton of food home including a tad of the hot link..
This is going to be funny..I'm going to put in on the floor and see if Winston eats it..Maybe put him on Youtube running around screaming..Hey Winston! You're a Mexican Dog! Get over it! Here try some Milk Winston! ( Evil Laugh )
I have the most spoiled dog in the world.. I have to get him back somehow..
/
139 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:06:07pm |
re: #132 Dark_Falcon
pause for musicdorkiness: the mixing on talking heads records is fantastic
140 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:06:28pm |
re: #131 rwmofo
Ha!!! I hope you're paid accordingly. Union dues must be a bitch!
Did you see my post rwmotherfucker?
141 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:06:44pm |
re: #131 rwmofo
Ha!!! I hope you're paid accordingly. Union dues must be a bitch!
You're just annoyed that you can't attend any union functions. Like most social occasions, they exclude nonsense spouting jerks who are too drunk on rage to know they're being laughed at.
142 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:06:45pm |
re: #128 Kronocide
At the very least, Gus does not contribute vapid derp. Objectively reviewing the record, Gus creates lots of actual Pages.
You create derp. A whole lot of it.
Now that I answered your question, counter with Obama stopped Keystone.
Thank you very much.
[Bows]
143 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:06:46pm |
re: #136 Kronocide
Long as an MBA, bigger around than a PhD. With Grad School nutz to round out my Mega Sack.
TURGID WITH ACHIEVEMENT!!!
144 | Eventual Carrion Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:07:26pm |
re: #117 rwmofo
Heh. I don't know. You tell me.
"Spanky" is always good. Kinda gives you the 7th grade giggle double entendre thingy.
145 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:07:58pm |
TUMESCENT WITH ADVANCED EDUCATION!!!
146 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:08:02pm |
re: #139 windupbird is in the gravity well
pause for musicdorkiness: the mixing on talking heads records is fantastic
Musicdorkiness doesn't bother me; its actually something I like about you, WUB.
147 | dell*nix Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:08:11pm |
re: #127 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Why would you do something considerate like that?
148 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:08:12pm |
149 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:09:17pm |
I HAZ TEH MAD SKILZ WITH TEH MBA AND WORK OVERTIMES CAUSE I IZ NOT IN TEH UNIONS WHILE YOU GUYS ALL COLLECT TEH WELFARE CHECKS LIVING FREE FROM THE SWEAT OF MY BROW!!!11TY
150 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:09:28pm |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
Musicdorkiness doesn't bother me; its actually something I like about you, WUB.
I'm sure I can eventually bore you with drum machine talk :D
152 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:10:29pm |
re: #151 Assemble!
Mofo still here or did he go Galt?
WEARETHEPRIESTS OF THE TEMPLES!!!!
OF
SYRINX!!!!
153 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:11:46pm |
re: #152 windupbird is in the gravity well
WEARETHEPRIESTS OF THE TEMPLES!!!
OF
SYRINX!!!
Okay, now you're scaring me...
155 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:12:26pm |
re: #141 Dark_Falcon
Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.
156 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:12:45pm |
re: #151 Assemble!
Mofo still here or did he go Galt?
He's still here. He actually has a special version of John Gault's refractory ray shield that prevents anything sensical from entering his brain.
158 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:19pm |
re: #155 rwmofo
I actually support Gov. Walker, but like him I draw a line between public and private sector unions. You seem to think unions simply exist to provide job security for overpaid goldbricks.
159 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:24pm |
160 | Interesting Times Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:25pm |
re: #155 rwmofo
Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time.
Wisconsin lost 23,900 jobs between March 2011 and March 2012, according to data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. It also lost more private-sector jobs than any other state.
...
While Wisconsin Gov, Scott Walker (R) fights to keep his job in a recall election scheduled for June, he is being forced to confront a harsh reality in his state: It lost more jobs during the past 12 months than any other state in the United States.
161 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:25pm |
re: #155 rwmofo
Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.
Turned around? Wisconsin lost the most jobs of any state in the union last year.
162 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:15:52pm |
re: #155 rwmofo
Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.
Biggest job losses in a year nation wide.
Housing values dropping like a rock.
Poverty in Milwaukee growing faster than anywhere else in the nation.
Some turn around.
That ratbastard Walker gets his pink slip in June. SOLIDARITY!
164 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:16:20pm |
re: #155 rwmofo
Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.
I don't think "turned around" means what you think it means...
[Link: www.google.com...]
165 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:16:43pm |
re: #155 rwmofo
Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.
TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS!! ALSO YOUR EXPERTISE!!! NATURALLY WE WILL ALL BELIEVE YOU!!!
166 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:17:09pm |
re: #160 Interesting Times
THE MASTER OF BUSINESS! WE'VE MASTERED UNEMPLOYMENT!!!
167 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:17:43pm |
A VERY SERIOUS REPUBLICAN IS SPEAKING!!
WE SHOULD ALL LISTEN!!!
168 | allegro Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:18:21pm |
I must say, this is the most extraordinary display of willful ignorance I think I have ever witnessed. I would like to say it's a Poe but I fear it really believes this shit.
169 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:18:35pm |
re: #162 William Barnett-Lewis
Biggest job losses in a year nation wide.
Housing values dropping like a rock.
Poverty in Milwaukee growing faster than anywhere else in the nation.
Or as mofo calls it... POSITIVE RESULTS!!
170 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:18:38pm |
re: #162 William Barnett-Lewis
Biggest job losses in a year nation wide.
Housing values dropping like a rock.
Poverty in Milwaukee growing faster than anywhere else in the nation.
Some turn around.
That ratbastard Walker gets his pink slip in June. SOLIDARITY!
Unlikely. The Dems are divided and Walker leads them both in head to head matchups.
171 | Kragar Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:18:40pm |
re: #166 windupbird is in the gravity well
THE MASTER OF BUSINESS! WE'VE MASTERED UNEMPLOYMENT!!!
172 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:19:16pm |
re: #158 Dark_Falcon
I actually support Gov. Walker, but like him I draw a line between public and private sector unions. You seem to think unions simply exist to provide job security for overpaid goldbricks.
Feel free to quote me. In fact show me where I specifically said this. Oh, right. You got nuthin'.
173 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:20:24pm |
ahahaha "it's turned around!" imagine what sex is like for rwmofo
I AM A LOTHARIO!! *partner is confused as rwmofo sticks his dick in the TV across the room*
174 | blueraven Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:20:28pm |
re: #44 rwmofo
No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."
Like you did from 2001-2008?
2 wars, one totally unnecessary (not paid for)
Simultaneous tax cuts (because Americans should never sacrifice...its unAmerican, or something)
Drug benefits program (not paid for)
The biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression.
Nicely done mofo, nicley done!
//
175 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:20:30pm |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
Unlikely. The Dems are divided and Walker leads them both in head to head matchups.
But I'm going to ask if we can drop the subject of Wisconsin. Rwmofo can't form coherent arguments, and it's not fair to me to have to defend a topic he DERPed into. Let's move on to an equally fruitful place to mock him.
176 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:20:35pm |
re: #155 rwmofo
Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time.
LOL.
While Wisconsin Gov, Scott Walker (R) fights to keep his job in a recall election scheduled for June, he is being forced to confront a harsh reality in his state: It lost more jobs during the past 12 months than any other state in the United States.
What Wisconsin says about labor unions' clout in America
Why recall target Gov. Scott Walker is taking his message to Illinois
Indiana 'right to work' law: what it means for the pro-union Rust Belt
Wisconsin lost 23,900 jobs between March 2011 and March 2012, according to data released Tuesday by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. The state’s lead in job losses is significantly greater than the rest of the 50 states: No other state lost more than 3,500 jobs.The majority of the losses in Wisconsin, 17,800, were in the public sector. However, the state lost more private-sector jobs, 6,100, than any other state. The only other states to report private-sector job losses in the same time period (instead of private-sector gains) were Mississippi and Rhode Island.
I wonder what kind of world a person lives in that such a stark, obvious, easily researched reality is completely replaced by an ideologically imposed fantasy?
177 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:21:07pm |
HAY GUYS! i'M RWMOFO, GONNA DRIVE TO THE STORE!! *sits in the shrubs and makes vroom noises*
179 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:21:47pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
But I'm going to ask if we can drop the subject of Wisconsin.
No. Fucking deal with it.
180 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:22:24pm |
re: #177 windupbird is in the gravity well
HAY GUYS! i'M RWMOFO, GONNA DRIVE TO THE STORE!! *sits in the shrubs and makes vroom noises*
SCREEEEEEECH!!!
181 | What, me worry? Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:22:39pm |
re: #155 rwmofo
Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.
You really want to compare the American unions to the Japanese?
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
For decades, the Japanese government has been trying, and largely failing, to set limits on work and on overtime. The problem of karoshi became prevalent enough to warrant its own word in the boom years of the late 1970s, as the number of Japanese men working more than 60 hours a week soared.
Thirty years later, overtime rules remain so nebulous and so weakly enforced that the United Nations' International Labor Organization has described Japan as a country with no legal limits on the practice.
The consequences show up not only in claims for death and disability from overwork but in suicides attributed to "fatigue from work." Among 2,207 work-related suicides in 2007, the most common reason (672 suicides) was overwork, according to government figures released in June.
182 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:22:47pm |
I'M RWMOFO, GONNA SOLVE THIS RUBIK'S CUBE *attempts to solve a urinal cake*
184 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:24:41pm |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
Unlikely. The Dems are divided and Walker leads them both in head to head matchups.
Barretts pulling ahead in the primary matchup and is concentrating on the General election instead. I think he can make the case that he only lost last time because of Scooter's lies about his intentions. You and I may disagree on those issues, but those are what I see it turning on.
The other big things are education - people statewide are very unhappy with his gutting of state money for schools - and his out of state connections.
Hopefully Barrett will come out with ads much like the presidents current ads where he simply lets Mittens own words hoist him on his right wing petard.
186 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:26:07pm |
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT UNIONS AND HOW THEY UNIONIZE THE THING THAT THEY UNIONIZE
187 | Kronocide Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:26:11pm |
If you don't work a 60 hour week you're a pinko commie pussie who wants everything handed to you. LOL, all you stupid liberals. Ha Ha, I win.
189 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:27:02pm |
192 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:31:39pm |
re: #184 William Barnett-Lewis
Barretts pulling ahead in the primary matchup and is concentrating on the General election instead. I think he can make the case that he only lost last time because of Scooter's lies about his intentions. You and I may disagree on those issues, but those are what I see it turning on.
The other big things are education - people statewide are very unhappy with his gutting of state money for schools - and his out of state connections.
Hopefully Barrett will come out with ads much like the presidents current ads where he simply lets Mittens own words hoist him on his right wing petard.
Well Barrett getting ahead of Falk is good news, as Falk is too much the ideologue to be effective had she been elected. She also released a BOg-class vid smearing Barrett, which is one more reason for her to lose.
Walker, however, did not lie about his intentions. Walker made clear that he would not support right-to-work legislation. Maybe he would have prior to the spring of last year, but he made clear where he is now and that isn't lying. And Wisconsin has been able to avoid massive layoffs of teachers precisely because of their unions being cut back in power.
That's my opinion, your mileage may vary.
193 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:31:51pm |
GUYS I AM NOW GOING TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT MY BUSINESS
194 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:32:58pm |
Is, "Shapeshifters!" a bad thing to yell when you ejaculate?— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) April 29, 2012
Outrage!
195 | Eventual Carrion Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:33:39pm |
re: #193 rwm0f0
GUYS I AM NOW GOING TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT MY BUSINESS
Amway, I knew it!
[punching fist into hand]
196 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:34:40pm |
197 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:37:26pm |
198 | blueraven Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:37:31pm |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
Well Barrett getting ahead of Falk is good news, as Falk is too much the ideologue to be effective had she been elected. She also released a BOg-class vid smearing Barrett, which is one more reason for her to lose.
Walker, however, did not lie about his intentions. Walker made clear that he would not support right-to-work legislation. Maybe he would have prior to the spring of last year, but he made clear where he is now and that isn't lying. And Wisconsin has been able to avoid massive layoffs of teachers precisely because of their unions being cut back in power.
That's my opinion, your mileage may vary.
Walker lied by omission about his intentions. He never said he was going to gut the unions like he has and you know that.
199 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:39:36pm |
For some reason I love this snippet from Boston Magazine's 2003 interview with Romney:
Breakfast is cereal, egg whites, and toast without butter. Lunch: a sandwich at his desk. Ann and Mitt spend their evenings reading, unless one of their favorite TV shows is on: Everybody Loves Raymond, Ed, or, when the Romneys are feeling dangerous, a Seinfeld rerun.
200 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:39:50pm |
WHERE IS MY TWIN BROTHER?!?!?!?!
201 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:40:32pm |
re: #198 blueraven
Walker lied by omission about his intentions. He never said he was going to gut the unions like he has and you know that.
I don't consider that a 'lie by admission'.
202 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:41:26pm |
re: #199 goddamnedfrank
or, when the Romneys are feeling dangerous, a Seinfeld rerun.
OH MY GOD HOW CAN THEY BE SO RECKLESS?!?!?
203 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:41:50pm |
re: #199 goddamnedfrank
toast without butter
204 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:15pm |
Saw finally the Preezy's opening comments to the dinner. Great. Hilarious. Kimmel, you suck.
Rightwingmotherfucker, you are a blog pussy.
good night now!
205 | freetoken Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:16pm |
re: #199 goddamnedfrank
If I were writing a script for a sitcom and wanted a stereotypical character that would be the ideal paragraph to sum up said character.
206 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:17pm |
re: #201 Dark_Falcon
I don't consider that a 'lie by admission'.
?
Why are you incorrecting the word "omission?"
208 | rwmofo Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:40pm |
OK. I'm back just to thank you clowns for kicking my karma over 2000. Heh. It was fun. Say "Hi" to the teleprompter for me.
209 | sagehen Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:42:55pm |
210 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:43:03pm |
re: #208 rwmofo
OK. I'm back just to thank you clowns for kicking my karma over 2000. Heh. It was fun. Say "Hi" to the teleprompter for me.
I LOVE YOU BROTHER
211 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:43:31pm |
re: #204 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Saw finally the Preezy's opening comments to the dinner. Great. Hilarious. Kimmel, you suck.
Rightwingmotherfucker, you are a blog pussy.
good night now!
Kimmel had a few good moments. That's a tough gig. There's a weird balance you have to strike.
212 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:43:44pm |
re: #208 rwmofo
OK. I'm back just to thank you clowns for kicking my karma over 2000. Heh. It was fun. Say "Hi" to the teleprompter for me.
I'm rubber, you are glue. Whatever wingnut.
213 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:45:48pm |
214 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:49:18pm |
215 | blueraven Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:52:35pm |
re: #201 Dark_Falcon
I don't consider that a 'lie by admission'.
Whatever.
The fact remains; it was a lie.
216 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:54:26pm |
re: #215 blueraven
Whatever.
The fact remains; it was a lie.
You claim that to be a fact, but your interpretation is just that: an interpretation. I reject your interpretation and substitute my own.
217 | Amory Blaine Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:57:46pm |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
Unlikely. The Dems are divided and Walker leads them both in head to head matchups.
Dems are only divided until the general.
218 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:00:31pm |
Sorry, but I'm too tired to continue. My narcolepsy has been very bad these past few days, and right now its showing up means I've got to go to bed.
Good night, all.
220 | sagehen Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:03:50pm |
re: #199 goddamnedfrank
For some reason I love this snippet from Boston Magazine's 2003 interview with Romney:
Here's my favorite quote from an interview in that election:
“They were not easy years. You have to understand, I was raised in a lovely neighborhood, as was Mitt, and at BYU, we moved into a $62-a-month basement apartment with a cement floor and lived there two years as students with no income.
“It was tiny. And I didn’t have money to carpet the floor. But you can get remnants, samples, so I glued them together, all different colors. It looked awful, but it was carpeting.
“We were happy, studying hard. Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time.
“The stock came from Mitt’s father. When he took over American Motors, the stock was worth nothing. But he invested Mitt’s birthday money year to year — it wasn’t much, a few thousand, but he put it into American Motors because he believed in himself. Five years later, stock that had been $6 a share was $96 and Mitt cashed it so we could live and pay for education.
“Mitt and I walked to class together, shared housekeeping, had a lot of pasta and tuna fish and learned hard lessons.
(snip)
“We stayed till Mitt graduated in 1971, and when he was accepted at Harvard Law, we came east. He was also accepted at Harvard Business School as part of a joint program that admits 25 a year, so he was getting degrees from Harvard Law and Business schools at the same time.
“Remember, we’d been paying $62 a month rent, but here, rents were $400, and for a dump. This is when we took the now-famous loan that Mitt talks about from his father and bought a $42,000 home in Belmont, and you know? The mortgage payment was less than rent. Mitt saw that the Boston market was behind Chicago, LA and New York. We stayed there seven years and sold it for $90,000, so we not only stayed for free, we made money. As I said, Mitt’s very bright."
"a few thousand dollars", went up by a factor of 16... let's conservatively call that $60k in 1969 dollars. Which is worth close to $400k today. Poor sad Mitt and Ann, having to get by for five years on only 80,000/year of a gift from his dad. Life must have been so very difficult for them.
I wonder what a home that was worth 42k in 1971 is worth now. Is that a million dollar house? For a "struggling" grad student and his wife? I'd also be very interested in knowing what kind of $400/mo (in 1971) apartment she thought was "a dump".
221 | simoom Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:07:13pm |
How do you set the start time on an embeded LGF youtube video again? I keep forgetting what to change the #t=40s into... it's something like &time= or something?
222 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:07:55pm |
“Remember, we’d been paying $62 a month rent, but here, rents were $400, and for a dump. This is when we took the now-famous loan that Mitt talks about from his father and bought a $42,000 home in Belmont, and you know? The mortgage payment was less than rent. Mitt saw that the Boston market was behind Chicago, LA and New York. We stayed there seven years and sold it for $90,000, so we not only stayed for free, we made money. As I said, Mitt’s very bright."
this is the smuggest shit I have ever fucking laid eyes on
so you got a loan from daddy, and that makes you smart?
223 | Amory Blaine Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:10:19pm |
Nothing like pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Very dignifying.
224 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:10:19pm |
re: #221 simoom
How do you set the start time on an embeded LGF youtube video again? I keep forgetting what to change the #t=40s into... it's something like &time= or something?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
225 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:13:48pm |
I suppose I should go back and see rwmofo's responses to me. No wait! I won't bother. Maybe later.
//
226 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:14:04pm |
re: #36 moderatelyradicalliberal
He would have had a heart attack and President Palin would be running the show.
That really was my biggest fear, regarding McCain. Maybe I underestimated his health, but the stakes were awful high.
227 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:15:36pm |
re: #4 rwmofo
I know that you seem to be our resident RW troll an all, but what is significantly different between the economic policies of President Obama and President Bush?
Bring verifiable proof please, if you didn't just dump and run as you usually do.
228 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:15:39pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
Hello, You!
229 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:16:43pm |
re: #44 rwmofo
No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."
Oh, God, it's an early preview. 'Unleash the private sector'. Is this the new version of "Get goverment out of our way"?
230 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:17:36pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
You do realize that, adjusted for inflation, gas prices are fairly stagnant...and something that the President has little real effect on, right?
I'm sure you did know that...
231 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:19:00pm |
re: #86 rwmofo
Don't waste your energy worrying over the notion that I might care what you think. I'll do what I want, dickhead.
OK, that I downdinged, and I don't downding you a lot, mofo.
232 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:19:33pm |
re: #89 Assemble!
Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?
Attention.
I have a student like this right now. But he's in the fourth grade, so it's more explicable.
233 | Amory Blaine Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:19:41pm |
re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist
Unleash the private sector and it will run away to China.
234 | Amory Blaine Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:20:59pm |
Or you could unleash the private sector and strap it to the roof of the car.
235 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:22:51pm |
236 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:23:26pm |
re: #44 rwmofo
Uhh, Free Market Jesus didn't save the world's economies from starting to go into the crapper while Bush was still in office, did he?
237 | sagehen Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:24:16pm |
re: #230 ArthurSlugworth
You do realize that, adjusted for inflation, gas prices are fairly stagnant...and something that the President has little real effect on, right?
I'm sure you did know that...
Except to the extent that the strength of the dollar has some effect on the price of imports... but the dollar's pretty strong now, so I'd say we're keeping the price of gas relatively low (Europeans pay more than double what we do, and only 1/3 of that difference is that they have higher gas tax).
238 | Kragar Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:24:30pm |
Because the food processing industry would love the government to get out of the way.
"New and improved pink slime, now with 50% more rodent feces and insect parts."
239 | prairiefire Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:26:00pm |
240 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:26:12pm |
re: #89 Assemble!
Mofo? What exactly does this community have to offer you?
Sparring partners, for he is the Masta of Disasta!!!
241 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:26:22pm |
re: #236 ArthurSlugworth
Uhh, Free Market Jesus didn't save the world's economies from starting to go into the crapper while Bush was still in office, did he?
I'd like to see the faces from the "free market" when they have to start dealing with private owned oil, gas, or mineral leases outside the Federal leasing schemes. No more baby sitting from the Coast Guard and the US Navy either.
242 | Gus Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:28:17pm |
Build your own damn airport. Build and maintain your own ports. Build your own damn football and baseball stadiums.
Oh yeah. And get your own damn banks to replace the Fed that gives you zero percent interest loans.
243 | Amory Blaine Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:28:25pm |
re: #238 Kragar
I bought these Banquet white meat nuggets the other day. They aren't even filled with what could be described as meat. Each nugget was a foam-like substance that had a vague meat flavor. No meat tissue in the box. Very disgusting.
244 | simoom Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:28:35pm |
re: #224 Gus
Thanks I keep forgetting :P.
Now I can post my favorite moment from the WHCD. I cracked up at the joke, but what really got to me was Michelle's semi-aghast "I can't believe you just went there"-expression, and finally I completely lost it at "... with a lil soy sauce."
245 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:28:53pm |
I'm loving it. Obama's still here, Osama's still dead, and there is wailing and gnashing of teeth in the GOP.
They have only themselves to blame. The current Republican leadership makes Dan Quayle look like Winston Churchill.
As for the really great Republicans; well, my god, Teddy Roosevelt had more manliness in one eyebrow than the present GOP mob could gin up from a truckload of Viagra on the best day of their lives.
246 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:28:57pm |
re: #240 ArthurSlugworth
Sparring partners, for he is the Masta of Disasta!!!
We need a Mofo/Buck cage match. Two nuts enter, one nut leaves.
247 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:30:42pm |
re: #243 Amory Blaine
I bought these Banquet white meat nuggets the other day. They aren't even filled with what could be described as meat. Each nugget was a foam-like substance that had a vague meat flavor. No meat tissue in the box. Very disgusting.
My husband loves those. He freely acknowledges that there is no chicken in the product, but he enjoys eating them.
248 | freetoken Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:31:01pm |
re: #243 Amory Blaine
"Mechanically" is an adverb that probably shows up somewhere on the label, or on their website. "Mechanically separated" meat - that's the term.
The resulting protein slush is then shaped, water reduced (if necessary), flavorings (artificial) added, then breaded and quickly frozen.
This is what Americans' believe is "food".
Meanwhile, I stalk loquats around my town....
249 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:31:08pm |
re: #246 Assemble!
We need a Mofo/Buck cage match. Two nuts enter, one nut leaves.
I like Buck better.
250 | Amory Blaine Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:31:34pm |
re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm not saying I didn't eat them. ;P
251 | freetoken Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:33:55pm |
The loquat season is passing... sigh. Soon they will be all gone.
Perhaps to return next year, if the trees are allowed to stand.
I've been noticing a disturbing trend to cut down trees around here lately. The vulture real estate industry is trying to pick the bones off of the market, I think, and installing really simple, really stupid "landscaping" that appeals to the same type of Americans that buy those "nuggets" in the freezer. Fake food, fake landscapes.
252 | Kragar Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:34:03pm |
re: #243 Amory Blaine
I bought these Banquet white meat nuggets the other day. They aren't even filled with what could be described as meat. Each nugget was a foam-like substance that had a vague meat flavor. No meat tissue in the box. Very disgusting.
There is a process where they grind up dark meat chicken, add an enzyme to break it down so the chemical which makes it dark is removed, then they centrifuge it so they can skim off the residue. They're left with the ground white chicken meat which they form into nuggets, patties, and other chicken products.
253 | freetoken Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:34:35pm |
Nothing horrifies the modern American like a dropped tree leaf.
254 | Amory Blaine Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:36:36pm |
re: #253 freetoken
Nothing horrifies the modern American like a dropped tree leaf.
Sounds like something Hunter Thompson would say.
256 | prairiefire Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:38:24pm |
re: #246 Assemble!
We need a Mofo/Buck cage match. Two nuts enter, one nut leaves.
Who did the painting in your earlier avatar?
257 | palomino Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:39:01pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
MUCH lower unemployment and gas prices. You realize that gas prices have a direct affect on things we consume on a daily basis, right?
You do realize that gas prices were actually higher under Bush in early 2008, right?
Oh, but that doesn't fit the narrative so you ignore it. What a surprise.
What's Romney gonna do to get gas prices down? (Don't say Keystone, that might work in 5 years...what's Romney gonna do NOW? Is it the same triple secret plan Newt promised would bring gas down to $2.50 a gallon?)
259 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:39:31pm |
Romney can redeem himself by picking Dan Quayle as his running mate. Mr. Quayle's stature has risen enormously in recent years. Admittedly this is mostly by comparison with the current lot and by virtue of being out of the public eye but any stature is better than the buffoons who comprise the alternative. He is 65 now and still eligible, having served only one term.
260 | Interesting Times Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:39:49pm |
You can haz derp-cleanser:
My fav meeting of the night, the very brave and badass Sandra Fluke! #MSNBCafterparty twitter.com/McCainBlogette...— Meghan McCain (@McCainBlogette) April 29, 2012
261 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:41:01pm |
I am actually watching TV. Some show called Alcatraz?
Have no clue.
262 | palomino Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:41:27pm |
re: #44 rwmofo
No, the private sector will be unleashed and WE will "run the show."
That's a vague slogan that gives cretins like you a hard-on. But the idea that the private sector has been leashed is absolutely absurd. Investors sure don't feel leashed these days, certainly far less leashed than they did in 2007-2008.
263 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:42:00pm |
264 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:42:31pm |
re: #256 prairiefire
Who did the painting in your earlier avatar?
The Captain America one? I honestly don't know. They were the official sketches from the studio, and they weren't signed.
265 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:44:31pm |
Does there have to be a car chase/crash in every show?
266 | freetoken Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:44:52pm |
re: #254 Amory Blaine
Sounds like something Hunter Thompson would say.
Speaking of which, from 11 and half years ago, Thompson nailed our times well:
[...] I knew better. Of course Bush would win Florida. Losing was out of the question. Here was the whole bloody Family laughing & hooting & sneering at the dumbness of the whole world on National TV.
The old man was the real tip-off. The leer on his face was almost frightening. It was like looking into the eyes of a tall hyena with a living sheep in its mouth. The sheep's fate was sealed, and so was Al Gore's. ... Everything since then has been political flotsam & Gibberish.
The whole Presidential election, in fact, was rigged and fixed from the start. It was a gigantic Media Event, scripted & staged for TV. It happens every four years, at an ever-increasing cost & 90 percent of the money always goes for TV commercials.Of course, nobody would give a damn except politics is beginning to smell like professional football, Dank & Nasty. And that's a problem that could haunt America a lot longer than four years, folks.
[...]
267 | palomino Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:45:30pm |
re: #66 rwmofo
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
You sound really bitter about all this. Nobody forced you to go to biz school, and no one forces you to work the long hours you do. Don't expect anyone to look up to you because you've done the same things millions of other Americans have.
268 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:46:16pm |
re: #265 ggt
Does there have to be a car chase/crash in every show?
Ever notice how every Star Wars movie had to have a chase sequence? That got really tired really quickly.
269 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:46:25pm |
re: #252 Kragar
There is a process where they grind up dark meat chicken, add an enzyme to break it down so the chemical which makes it dark is removed, then they centrifuge it so they can skim off the residue. They're left with the ground white chicken meat which they form into nuggets, patties, and other chicken products.
American's buy white meat. What can you do?
270 | palomino Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:46:44pm |
re: #155 rwmofo
Wrong. I was a dues paying member a long time ago. I'm fully familiar with the pros and cons. It's 2012. Technological advances have produced wonderfully positive results. Look at how the state of Wisconsin has turned around in a VERY short period of time. Look at the consequences of what unions have done to our car companies compared to our Japanese rivals. It's not really that complicated.
Japan and Germany have unionized auto workers. What's your point now?
271 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:47:30pm |
re: #268 Assemble!
Ever notice how every Star Wars movie had to have a chase sequence? That got really tired really quickly.
After the James Bond Boat chase long, drawn-out scene with Roger Moore, I don't need to see any more.
272 | Mich-again Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:49:03pm |
re: #268 Assemble!
Ever notice how every Star Wars movie had to have a chase sequence? That got really tired really quickly.
Ever notice how every Home Alone movie had to have a Marv chase sequence?
273 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:49:15pm |
re: #257 palomino
You do realize that gas prices were actually higher under Bush in early 2008, right?
Oh, but that doesn't fit the narrative so you ignore it. What a surprise.
What's Romney gonna do to get gas prices down? (Don't say Keystone, that might work in 5 years...what's Romney gonna do NOW? Is it the same triple secret plan Newt promised would bring gas down to $2.50 a gallon?)
They keep saying Keystone because it fits with their belief system, namely that the "Invisible Hand" responds only to "signals" and always responds in a certain way to certain signals. So, you okay Keystone and agree to letting the oil companies drill on even more public land for even cheaper prices and boom, the "Invisible Hand" is supposed to drive oil prices down. Then, when you ask for proof, they point to the same day every time, when Bush made his big speech before the White House about opening up more offshore space to leasing and the price of oil fell. What they don't mention is that the same states where this space was opened up immediately reacted by placing bans on that space for oil drilling.
274 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:49:46pm |
re: #272 Mich-again
Ever notice how every Home Alone movie had to have a Marv chase sequence?
I can honestly say I've never watched a Home Alone movie in full.
275 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:50:09pm |
re: #270 palomino
Japan and Germany have unionized auto workers. What's your point now?
The big difference is that both don't have to keep going to the table to negotiate health benefits, because the universal health care provided by the government already takes care of that. Amazing, huh?
276 | b_sharp Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:51:19pm |
What to expect when the 'private sector' takes over:
Monopolies from large companies eating smaller companies. Wages taking a nose dive, while prices remain stable but quality and product size drops. Massive PR campaigns to convince the consumer they're the ones benefiting.
Large scale group hallucinations of kind, honest, socially responsible corporations.
277 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:54:10pm |
It seems that an increasingly greater proportion of the population does not want more oil. What they want is for the energy sector to find another way.
What I don't understand is why those with the bucks (oil companies) don't invest and find another way. Do they really think they won't be dinosaurs in a 100 years?
278 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:55:30pm |
So, (on the TV show) they go into a 50 year-old hidden and abandoned room and all the ancient computer equipment lights still light-up?
279 | prairiefire Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:57:21pm |
re: #264 Assemble!
The Captain America one? I honestly don't know. They were the official sketches from the studio, and they weren't signed.
No! Didn't you have a portrait of a lady with curlers in her hair?
280 | Mich-again Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:57:52pm |
re: #273 Targetpractice
They keep saying Keystone because it fits with their belief system, namely that the "Invisible Hand" responds only to "signals" and always responds in a certain way to certain signals.
The invisible hand responds via the supply versus demand curve.
The problem with relying on a larger supply to bring down prices is the series of natural consequences.. As supplies increase then fuel will cost less, but when fuel costs less miles driven on the same amount of road will increase, which means the amount of traffic will increase which means cars will need to stop and start more often which means consumption will increase. There is a self correction factor. It definitely does not feed itself in a cycle so it won't work long term.
The strategy has to be: Waste less to bring consumption down which will then brings costs down while supplies stay stable. Simple.
281 | palomino Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:58:48pm |
re: #275 Targetpractice
The big difference is that both don't have to keep going to the table to negotiate health benefits, because the universal health care provided by the government already takes care of that. Amazing, huh?
Spot on. What I find really amazing is that we're the only developed nation without universal healthcare.
Actually I find it disgraceful that the world's richest nation sees the health of its citizens as a luxury. As if 40 million of our fellow citizens being uninsured isn't a big deal and has no moral component. After Obamacare gets blocked by the nation's most conservative court in a century, we'll be back at square one, another decade or two from real health care reform.
282 | Mich-again Sat, Apr 28, 2012 9:59:35pm |
re: #275 Targetpractice
The big difference is that both don't have to keep going to the table to negotiate health benefits, because the universal health care provided by the government already takes care of that. Amazing, huh?
Exactly..
283 | Lidane Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:01:27pm |
re: #276 Inconsequential Consequences
What to expect when the 'private sector' takes over:
This, but on steroids:
285 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:02:11pm |
286 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:02:17pm |
re: #281 palomino
Spot on. What I find really amazing is that we're the only developed nation without universal healthcare.
Actually I find it disgraceful that the world's richest nation sees the health of its citizens as a luxury. As if 40 million of our fellow citizens being uninsured isn't a big deal and has no moral component. After Obamacare gets blocked by the nation's most conservative court in a century, we'll be back at square one, another decade or two from real health care reform.
The was an article I read a couple weeks back, when arguments over the ACA were made before SCOTUS, that I thought about making into a page. Basically it was an accounting of how the rest of the First World is responding to the news that such reform is actually being argued as "unconstitutional." The underlying theme was it was absolutely mindboggling to people in Europe that America, the world's only hyperpower, the richest nation on Earth, thought that the law prevented it from providing healthcare to all its citizens.
288 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:04:58pm |
re: #278 ggt
So, (on the TV show) they go into a 50 year-old hidden and abandoned room and all the ancient computer equipment lights still light-up?
Battlefield Earth had that one beat, showing 1000-yr old flight simulators, fighter jets, and even nuclear bombs being fully intact and operational.
290 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:06:18pm |
re: #288 Targetpractice
Battlefield Earth had that one beat, showing 1000-yr old flight simulators, fighter jets, and even nuclear bombs being fully intact and operational.
When they arrived at Atlantis, the Stargate away team found it functional. For some reason that was believable --perhaps because the Atlantians were sooooo far advanced.
291 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:07:47pm |
re: #289 Lidane
Too many to think about.
I know. The whole "corporations" are bad/good argument bothers me a lot. It's the system we now have and it keeps us afloat.
It's the inbalance that disturbs me. Corporations seem to have a global citizenship that individuals don't.
293 | Mich-again Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:09:35pm |
re: #281 palomino
The RW's love to point out how much union labor costs have increased but they forget to mention the biggest chunk of the increases the last decade or so has been for health care costs, not the wages or other benefits.
And the health insurance costs have gone up primarily because the costs incurred by health care indigents, which happens to be the medical insurance status the same RW's demand as a right when they oppose Obamacare.
They demand the right to not pay into a system that requires coverage for all. Who are the real "socialists"?
294 | Kragar Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:10:02pm |
295 | Kruk Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:10:25pm |
re: #290 ggt
When they arrived at Atlantis, the Stargate away team found it functional. For some reason that was believable --perhaps because the Atlantians were sooo far advanced.
So advanced they taught an entire glaxy billions of light years away to speak in 20th Century American English thousands of years ago.
296 | Kragar Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:10:38pm |
297 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:10:40pm |
The world just keeps getting stranger and stranger to me:
South Sudan 'agrees $8bn deal with China'
I feel old.
298 | Kragar Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:11:34pm |
re: #295 Kruk
So advanced they taught an entire glaxy billions of light years away to speak in 20th Century American English thousands of years ago.
At least Farscape and Dr. Who made the attempt to address that.
299 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:13:33pm |
re: #295 Kruk
So advanced they taught an entire glaxy billions of light years away to speak in 20th Century American English thousands of years ago.
Always an issue for Sci-Fi writers. A deus ex machina solution is the only way.
In Stargate, I think they assume the Atlantians are just sooooooo far advanced, language isn't ever a problem for them. Their brains just handle it. Daniel was a exceptionally gifted linquist, so he could pick-up on most alien languages when hummed a few bars.
I always liked the Star Trek Universal Translator, but the winner, IMHO is Douglas Adams, Babble Fish.
300 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:14:09pm |
re: #293 Mich-again
The RW's love to point out how much union labor costs have increased but they forget to mention the biggest chunk of the increases the last decade or so has been for health care costs, not the wages or other benefits.
And the health insurance costs have gone up primarily because the costs incurred by health care indigents, which happens to be the medical insurance status the same RW's demand as a right when they oppose Obamacare.
They demand the right to not pay into a system that requires coverage for all. Who are the real "socialists"?
I've said before that if that should be their "right," then we need to do away with the laws that require ERs to treat any person who walks through their doors, irregardless of ability to pay. How long you think folks would demand real health reform when they couldn't enter the ER without insurance?
301 | sagehen Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:14:37pm |
re: #277 ggt
What I don't understand is why those with the bucks (oil companies) don't invest and find another way. Do they really think they won't be dinosaurs in a 100 years?
Upper management and the Board of Directors, being large shareholders and with no job security, have strong incentives to care much more about short-term stock prices than about long-term strength of the company.
This is also why Wall Street got itself in trouble.
302 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:15:36pm |
re: #301 sagehen
Upper management and the Board of Directors, being large shareholders and with no job security, have strong incentives to care much more about short-term stock prices than about long-term strength of the company.
This is also why Wall Street got itself in trouble.
short-term thinking by so-called conservatives.
I was raised to think long-term by a different era of conservatives. You know, back when dividends were paid and such.
303 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:17:43pm |
I need a literary quote regarding food, I think.
I want to make a t-shirt with a pic of Brat Puppy on the front with a quote bubble. I don't want some lame words tho.
Perhaps some Mark Twain?
304 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:19:44pm |
305 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:20:54pm |
re: #299 ggt
Always an issue for Sci-Fi writers. A deus ex machina solution is the only way.
In Stargate, I think they assume the Atlantians are just sooo far advanced, language isn't ever a problem for them. Their brains just handle it. Daniel was a exceptionally gifted linquist, so he could pick-up on most alien languages hummed a few bars.
I always liked the Star Trek Universal Translator, but the winner, IMHO is Douglas Adams, Babble Fish.
Generally in scifi, aliens only speak in their own native language in two instances: A) when it's important to the plot or B) when the director wants to reinforce the idea that these aliens aren't just humans with bumps on their noses. Sometimes they even treat the language barrier realistically, requiring the translator to gather a large enough "taste" of the language before things like syntax and phonology can be ascertained.
307 | Mich-again Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:25:11pm |
re: #303 ggt
I need a literary quote regarding food, I think.
I want to make a t-shirt with a pic of Brat Puppy on the front with a quote bubble. I don't want some lame words tho.
Perhaps some Mark Twain?
You gonna eat all them fries?
308 | Lidane Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:26:19pm |
re: #299 ggt
Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could evolve purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing".
"But," says man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It proves you exist and so therefore you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white, and gets killed on the next zebra crossing.
309 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:26:41pm |
310 | sagehen Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:28:00pm |
re: #295 Kruk
So advanced they taught an entire glaxy billions of light years away to speak in 20th Century American English thousands of years ago.
I have a theory about that...
The language that we call 20th Century American English has actually been Galactic Standard Trading Language for millennia. The Asgard, being meddlers, have spent more than a thousand years encouraging first the Norse, and then the people of that big Island the Norse berserked on, to bring their language into line with what the rest of the galaxy was already speaking. (at the same time, the Ancients were helping the Romans to spread Latin across a continent, and the Goa'uld were making sure Aramaic took hold on another large swathe of territory.)
311 | Mich-again Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:28:20pm |
re: #300 Targetpractice
I've said before that if that should be their "right," then we need to do away with the laws that require ERs to treat any person who walks through their doors, irregardless of ability to pay. How long you think folks would demand real health reform when they couldn't enter the ER without insurance?
Sorry sir, your credit report failed, the guard will show you to the door.
312 | Mich-again Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:29:19pm |
313 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:30:11pm |
re: #311 Mich-again
Sorry sir, your credit report failed, the guard will show you to the door.
"Please be so kind as not to bleed on the floor on the way out, else we'll have to bill you for the clean-up costs."
314 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:32:19pm |
PERRFECT for dog lovers.
One of the oldest human needs is having someone to wonder where you are when you don't come home at night.
- Margaret Mead
315 | Mich-again Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:32:48pm |
re: #313 Targetpractice
"Please be so kind as not to bleed on the floor on the way out, else we'll have to bill you for the clean-up costs."
The RW will offer low interest loans for the health care indigents with the money they save by eliminating low interest loans for students.
316 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:34:34pm |
re: #310 sagehen
I have a theory about that...
The language that we call 20th Century American English has actually been Galactic Standard Trading Language for millennia. The Asgard, being meddlers, have spent more than a thousand years encouraging first the Norse, and then the people of that big Island the Norse berserked on, to bring their language into line with what the rest of the galaxy was already speaking. (at the same time, the Ancients were helping the Romans to spread Latin across a continent, and the Goa'uld were making sure Aramaic took hold on another large swathe of territory.)
No silly, 20th Century American English is the ultimate and inevitable result of the evolution of all life in the universe.
of course, everyone speaks it --it's G-d's Plan!!!
/:0
317 | Amory Blaine Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:35:16pm |
Anybody else have a bad feeling about this?
318 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:37:25pm |
re: #317 Amory Blaine
Anybody else have a bad feeling about this?
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Bad 80's hair --yeah, gives bad vibes.
319 | austin_blue Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:37:32pm |
From the Transatlantic Sessions, Jerry Douglas on dobro, Ally McBain on fiddle, and my harp bud (through She Who Must Be Obeyed), Catriona McCay on the clarsach playing her tune The Swan LK 243.
It's one of the most beautiful songs ever written. Hope you enjoy:
320 | palomino Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:38:39pm |
re: #286 Targetpractice
The was an article I read a couple weeks back, when arguments over the ACA were made before SCOTUS, that I thought about making into a page. Basically it was an accounting of how the rest of the First World is responding to the news that such reform is actually being argued as "unconstitutional." The underlying theme was it was absolutely mindboggling to people in Europe that America, the world's only hyperpower, the richest nation on Earth, thought that the law prevented it from providing healthcare to all its citizens.
You should put the page up. I've only read one story along those lines, but it echoed what you're saying. It suggested that we're sort of the laughingstock of the rest of the developed world, because we have such a huge uninsured population. In many places around the globe our lack of healthcare is seen as a violation of basic human rights.
Countries like Canada are far from hotbeds of radicalism, but they've had universal healthcare for half a century. And even their Conservative Party supports it.
321 | Kragar Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:39:31pm |
re: #318 ggt
Bad 80's hair --yeah, gives bad vibes.
You haven't seen the horror of the Wendy's training commercials?
322 | Targetpractice Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:41:59pm |
re: #320 palomino
You should put the page up. I've only read one story along those lines, but it echoed what you're saying. It suggested that we're sort of the laughingstock of the rest of the developed world, because we have such a huge uninsured population. In many places around the globe our lack of healthcare is seen as a violation of basic human rights.
Countries like Canada are far from hotbeds of radicalism, but they've had universal healthcare for half a century. And even their Conservative Party supports it.
I'll try to hunt it down later. But it's actually rather shocking how folks in the rest of the world, many of them our closest allies, scratch their heads at the situation we've created in the "greatest country on Earth." A country where 40 million people are without insurance and where tens of millions of those who do have insurance are just a major illness away from bankruptcy.
323 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:42:29pm |
re: #320 palomino
You should put the page up. I've only read one story along those lines, but it echoed what you're saying. It suggested that we're sort of the laughingstock of the rest of the developed world, because we have such a huge uninsured population. In many places around the globe our lack of healthcare is seen as a violation of basic human rights.
Countries like Canada are far from hotbeds of radicalism, but they've had universal healthcare for half a century. And even their Conservative Party supports it.
Seems a portion of American's think that American is about Survival of the Fittest (strange they don't like Evolution--huh?). Which is part-and-parcel with Capitalism.
There is also a big, big aversion to collectivism -- we are an individiualist country, by definition. People don't see much difference between an monarch and a collectivist government --both take power from the individual.
So, trying to get a workable entitlement is sticky business. It has to be done, I hope SCOTUS sees it's way to approving this legislation. We can fight-out problems in the coming years, but we have to get it going first.
324 | Mich-again Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:42:31pm |
re: #310 sagehen
I got this sense of yeah we already won this war they just don't know it yet from watching people from around the world communicate in Thailand for a couple weeks. Everyone from everywhere speaks in some level of broken English. Project that trend out a hundred years or so..
325 | freetoken Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:42:50pm |
Our America, bonus edition, this time from Texas:
The Metroplex Republican Women provided a potluck lunch of neatly assembled sandwiches, stuffed croissants and homemade tomato-basil soup while District 9's two state senate primary candidates -- Todd Smith of Euless and Kelly Hancock of North Richland Hills -- each worked to convince listeners that he was the purest conservative.
In many ways, the Republican candidates who want to succeed retiring Sen. Chris Harris are remarkably similar. Both were born in 1963, are smoothly polite and photogenic.
Both multiterm legislators are anti-abortion, Southern Baptist family men who have been representing Northeast Tarrant County communities in the Texas Legislature.
Both believe in creationism and like the idea of intelligent design being taught in public schools, and neither has embraced vouchers to defray costs of private academies.
[...]
326 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:43:10pm |
re: #279 prairiefire
No! Didn't you have a portrait of a lady with curlers in her hair?
Ummm... no. Never ever.
328 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:43:19pm |
re: #321 Kragar
You haven't seen the horror of the Wendy's training commercials?
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That is just wrong.
329 | austin_blue Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:43:54pm |
re: #316 ggt
No silly, 20th Century American English is the ultimate and inevitable result of the evolution of all life in the universe.
of course, everyone speaks it --it's G-d's Plan!!!
/:0
Fuckin' A dudette! We Rock! We're America, fuck yeah! We rule!
(a half-assed sarc tag here because that actually seems to be the general consensus among the great unwashed)
330 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:48:19pm |
re: #329 austin_blue
Fuckin' A dudette! We Rock! We're America, fuck yeah! We rule!
(a half-assed sarc tag here because that actually seems to be the general consensus among the great unwashed)
I love how any time you want someone to seem alien the answer is almost always an English accent.
331 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:49:33pm |
re: #330 Assemble!
I love how any time you want someone to seem alien the answer is almost always an English accent.
Or how the Greeks all have Scottish accents in movies?
Romans = British.
Is there some rule or something?
332 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:50:35pm |
Watched Deliverance for the first time today.
(well, the TV --with commericals -version)
I guess it would have made more of an impact if I had seen it in the theatre when it came out.
333 | Mocking Jay Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:52:26pm |
re: #331 ggt
Or how the Greeks all have Scottish accents in movies?
Romans = British.
Is there some rule or something?
Tonight we dine (on haggis) in hell!
334 | prairiefire Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:55:53pm |
re: #326 Assemble!
Ummm... no. Never ever.
Dammit, now I don't know who had it. It looked like a mid 20th century, Edward Hopper type paining.
335 | Mich-again Sat, Apr 28, 2012 11:00:08pm |
re: #329 austin_blue
Fuckin' A dudette! We Rock! We're America, fuck yeah! We rule!
(a half-assed sarc tag here because that actually seems to be the general consensus among the great unwashed)
Its past a general consensus. If you live in nowhere land the most important skill (unless you have some genius capacity) is to be able to speak English.
336 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Apr 28, 2012 11:11:03pm |
re: #331 ggt
Or how the Greeks all have Scottish accents in movies?
Romans = British.
Is there some rule or something?
I'm not sure, but it annoys me deeply. I mean, Ciaran Hinds was great in "Rome", but all of these English actors playing Romans...it doesn't quite look right.
338 | freetoken Sat, Apr 28, 2012 11:40:59pm |
Reactionary movements on the rise - a followup to the French primary:
French village embraces an extremist
The drive to this picturesque village nearly 200 miles southeast of Paris winds through forests and farmland where hawks stand guard on roadside fence posts and egrets glide across empty pastures. With a population of just 60, Brachay's residents say they are "the forgotten ones."
One person did remember them: Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right National Front party. The town thanked her with a record 72% vote in her favor during the first round of France's presidential election last Sunday.
[...]
In Brachay, however, villagers such as the Marchands are unrepentant. Most say they will vote for Sarkozy in the next round and hope the National Front will make a strong showing in the legislative elections that follow.The mayor and his wife are angry that they and their neighbors have been ridiculed and denigrated by France's news media.
"There are a lot more of us than they thought," he said. [...]
339 | freetoken Sun, Apr 29, 2012 12:16:18am |
One of the hottest outrageous outrages of the week, as noted for example by an entry at Townhall that has collected over 1300 comments in less than a day: Anti-Bullying Speaker Bashes Christianity, Mocks Students, is from a conference for students a couple of weeks ago at which an activist speaker, Dan Savage, confronted inherent biases in the Bible and how people are very selective in which ones they still keep - here's the video:
Now, I seem to remember it being brought up here when it happened... anyway, the SoCon online industry is trying to whip this thing into something real big.
340 | freetoken Sun, Apr 29, 2012 12:27:42am |
Meanwhile, over on Rupert Murdoch's NYPost, there is a short report on some local (San Diego) craziness:
San Diego dad slashes young son's arms in cemetery 'sacrifice'
Sad story (of more religious psycho behavior), but what caught my eye were the comments already on that story:
One And Done Kenyan (signed in using Hotmail)
Joseph Ramirez....a touching story of a fine Obama supporting father who cares deeply about child healthcare.We need to make people like this legal in this country...right, libbies?
Reply · · 30 minutes agoLogan Andrews· Top Commenter (signed in using Hotmail)
Hey, did you know George Zimmerman is a REGISTERED Democrat?
Reply · 1 · · 19 minutes agoOne And Done Kenyan (signed in using Hotmail)
Logan Andrews: All spics are.
Reply · · 14 minutes agoJack Tarasar · Top Commenter
Another ILLEGAL ALIEN doing his thing. We let this garbage into our once proud country. Now, look at us. we have tens of MILLIONS of these dirt bags. I can cut my OWN lawn, thank you.
Reply · · 14 minutes agoPeter J. McHugh · Top Commenter
I am sorry that the security guard wasn't armed. If he had blown his head off it would be a net gain to the world.
Reply · · 19 minutes ago
and
Keith Larsen · Top Commenter · Queens, New York
Great new immigrants! Why don't we just shut down the border and shoot any Spics coming illegally over the border. And bury them in the sand.
Reply · · 16 minutes ago
That's the type of customers for which Murdoch designs his businesses, though there are still some out there who refuse to acknowledge this.
BTW, neither local news sources of this crime say anything about "illegal":
343 | researchok Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:28:26am |
re: #340 freetoken
It is interesting to note these kind of events never seem to include someone trying to walk on water.
344 | EdDantes Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:52:52am |
I am now in Bakersfield, ca. All services are fast and the people are polite. At 248 pm yesterday I called Bright house (cable and internet provider) for TV and high speed internet service. Both were installed by 418 pm. This would not happen in the San Fran bay area where I moved from.
I told my wife before the move to expect friendlier people. We were not disappointed.
345 | EdDantes Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:11:00am |
Goodnight everyone. And goodnight Mrs. Calabash wherever you are.
346 | Kragar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:23:24am |
Image: 0412wallpaper-week-3-4_1600.jpg
This image was taken in Skaftafell, Iceland, deep underneath a glacier in an ice cave. As the glacier moves it collects dirt and grit but in places where it doesn't it allows light to travel through the turquoise ice, creating this surreal environment.
347 | Kragar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:48:45am |
Scooby Doo Vs Doctor Who:
Scooby Doo
"It turns out the Monster was Old man Jenkins all along!"
Doctor Who
"It turns out Old man Jenkins was the Alien all along!"
348 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:52:22am |
re: #268 Assemble!
Ever notice how every Star Wars movie had to have a chase sequence? That got really tired really quickly.
My favorite reply to the phrase 'cut to the chase' (though one I almost never use):
"I'd rather not. The chase is just an unoriginal special effects fest. The build-up to the chase is where the originality, storytelling, and acting are to be found. I'll often watch the build-up repeatedly once a movie comes out on HBO or Starz and rewatch the chase itself maybe once or twice."
349 | Kragar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:10:15am |
re: #348 Dark_Falcon
My favorite reply to the phrase 'cut to the chase' (though one I almost never use):
"I'd rather not. The chase is just an unoriginal special effects fest. The build-up to the chase is where the originality, storytelling, and acting are to be found. I'll often watch the build-up repeatedly once a movie comes out on HBO or Starz and rewatch the chase itself maybe once or twice."
Every action adventure movie has a chase scene of some sort.
350 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:11:33am |
re: #349 Kragar
Every action adventure movie has a chase scene of some sort.
That's why chases are unoriginal. They can still be fun, but as I've grown older I've largely stopped seeing them as the best part of the movie.
351 | Kragar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:15:22am |
re: #350 Dark_Falcon
That's why chases are unoriginal. They can still be fun, but as I've grown older I've largely stopped seeing them as the best part of the movie.
Like any other part of a story, it relies on the execution, rather than the extravagance.
352 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:19:00am |
re: #349 Kragar
Every action adventure movie has a chase scene of some sort.
I think the best-executed chase scenes are the ones where it's highly environmental--- like in Big Trouble, Little China, when they're trying to get the girls out. It feels more like the panicked mess a real chase would be and less like a scripted event.
353 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:21:01am |
re: #352 Obdicut
I think the best-executed chase scenes are the ones where it's highly environmental--- like in Big Trouble, Little China, when they're trying to get the girls out. It feels more like the panicked mess a real chase would be and less like a scripted event.
I can agree with that.
354 | Kragar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:21:39am |
re: #352 Obdicut
I think the best-executed chase scenes are the ones where it's highly environmental--- like in Big Trouble, Little China, when they're trying to get the girls out. It feels more like the panicked mess a real chase would be and less like a scripted event.
In the last 3 Star Wars films, it was more like watching someone play a computer game than a chase.
355 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:23:39am |
re: #354 Kragar
In the last 3 Star Wars films, it was more like watching someone play a computer game than a chase.
I didn't really see Attack of the Clones as having a chase sequence. I'm likely wrong, though.
356 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:25:29am |
re: #352 Obdicut
I think the best-executed chase scenes are the ones where it's highly environmental--- like in Big Trouble, Little China, when they're trying to get the girls out. It feels more like the panicked mess a real chase would be and less like a scripted event.
Big Trouble in Little China is a better movie than most of the star wars films
"They see your face and well, they'd want to push it in."
357 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:27:02am |
re: #344 EdDantes
I told my wife before the move to expect friendlier people. We were not disappointed.
Except if you're gay, of course. Or have a problem with white supremacist groups.
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]
358 | Kragar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:27:57am |
re: #355 Dark_Falcon
I didn't really see Attack of the Clones as having a chase sequence. I'm likely wrong, though.
Jango Fett chased Obi Wan thru the asteroid belt. Obi Wan and Anakin chased the bounty hunter across Coruscant.
359 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:28:52am |
re: #358 Kragar
Jango Fett chased Obi Wan thru the asteroid belt. Obi Wan and Anakin chased the bounty hunter across Coruscant.
I knew I'd likely be shown to be wrong. Thanks for the refresher.
360 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:29:03am |
that's better
361 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:29:58am |
re: #357 Obdicut
Except if you're gay, of course. Or have a problem with white supremacist groups.
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]
To be fair, 1994 was a while ago.
(Not saying that it's necessarily better now, but it's not really "proof" of your point.)
362 | Kragar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:36:07am |
THE MIGHTY THOR #362 Marvel Comics, 1985 remains the most badass comic book ever written.
363 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:36:44am |
re: #361 Shvaughn
The influx of Hispanics is helping Bakersfield break from its white-refuge past, but unfortunately that doesn't help much with the anti-gay crap. It also has the worst air pollution in the entire US.
[Link: www.webmd.com...]
364 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:39:10am |
re: #363 Obdicut
The influx of Hispanics is helping Bakersfield break from its white-refuge past ...
Yeah, I read that the mother of the "Prussian Blue" twins moved them away from Bakersfield because it wasn't white enough for her.
It's 45.5% Hispanic and only 56.8% White.
365 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:40:00am |
I also can't imagine wanting people to be friendlier than in San Francisco. San Francisco is almost too friendly for my liking. Sometimes when I went out to buy a coffee I didn't need to have an intimate "How's it going" interaction with the guy selling it to me, but it usually happened.
366 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:40:49am |
re: #363 Obdicut
The influx of Hispanics is helping Bakersfield break from its white-refuge past, but unfortunately that doesn't help much with the anti-gay crap. It also has the worst air pollution in the entire US.
[Link: www.webmd.com...]
It is what is. Mexican-Americans still tend to dislike gayness strongly. That will change in time, but assimilation does not happen overnight.
367 | Aye Pod Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:41:09am |
re: #208 rwmofo
OK. I'm back just to thank you clowns for kicking my karma over 2000. Heh. It was fun. Say "Hi" to the teleprompter for me.
Are you gonna take that karma and invest it in commodities? I hear Wingnut Tears are looking very hot for this year...
368 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:41:58am |
re: #364 Shvaughn
Heh. And again we see the problem with the word 'white', as applied to Hispanics. As far as the white-supremacists are concerned, they're not white. So no, a lot of that 56.8% white are actually Hispanic white people.
369 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:45:01am |
re: #368 Obdicut
Heh. And again we see the problem with the word 'white', as applied to Hispanics. As far as the white-supremacists are concerned, they're not white. So no, a lot of that 56.8% white are actually Hispanic white people.
Yep, that's why I quoted both statistics. One alone wouldn't convey the right level of complexity.
371 | Shvaughn Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:45:40am |
re: #368 Obdicut
Heh. And again we see the problem with the word 'white', as applied to Hispanics.
But wait, isn't "white Hispanic" an invention of the liberal media??
//
372 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:45:42am |
re: #366 Dark_Falcon
It is what is. Mexican-Americans still tend to dislike gayness strongly. That will change in time, but assimilation does not happen overnight.
First of all, I said Hispanic; translating 'Hispanic' to "Mexican-American" is just confusing. Second, it's not that Mexican-Americans tend to dislike gayness, it's that people who are highly religious tend to, and Hispanics tend to be highly religious. Among non-religious Hispanics, there's no more antagonism towards homosexuality than among other non-religious types.
373 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:46:18am |
re: #368 Obdicut
Heh. And again we see the problem with the word 'white', as applied to Hispanics. As far as the white-supremacists are concerned, they're not white. So no, a lot of that 56.8% white are actually Hispanic white people.
Said supremacists show the folly of an overemphasis on purity by such actions, though that is not the least of their many follies.
374 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:47:39am |
re: #366 Dark_Falcon
In fact, you're just plain wrong, and so was I.
[Link: pewresearch.org...]
Hispanics are more supportive of gay marriage than either whites or blacks.
Surprising, but heartening.
376 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:48:17am |
re: #373 Dark_Falcon
Said supremacists show the folly of an overemphasis on purity by such actions, though that is not the least of their many follies.
Overemphasis? There's not really any good level of emphasis on 'purity'.
377 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:49:00am |
re: #371 Shvaughn
But wait, isn't "white Hispanic" an invention of the liberal media??
//
Only if his dad's a Jerry, like my grand-dad.
/The above is entirely in jest, though my father's father was of German extraction, being the son of two German immigrants.
379 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:49:07am |
re: #376 Obdicut
Overemphasis? There's not really any good level of emphasis on 'purity'.
Sure there is -- so long as you're talking chemistry, not people.
380 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:49:39am |
re: #374 Obdicut
In fact, you're just plain wrong, and so was I.
[Link: pewresearch.org...]
Hispanics are more supportive of gay marriage than either whites or blacks.
Surprising, but heartening.
That is good news. Sometimes I'm glad to be wrong.
381 | Aye Pod Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:50:30am |
re: #375 Gus
Hi gus! Ice says hi too. We're sorry we mssed the fun here last night. Curse these old fangled UK hours!
382 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:50:42am |
re: #376 Obdicut
Overemphasis? There's not really any good level of emphasis on 'purity'.
If you're talking about race, that's entirely true.
383 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:51:21am |
re: #381 Aye Pod
Hi gus! Ice says hi too. We're sorry we mssed the fun here last night. Curse these old fangled UK hours!
Hey Jimmah. You guys need to tow the UK onto the sunny side of planet Earth.
//
384 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:51:44am |
re: #380 Dark_Falcon
Me too. I have to keep reminding myself that the social conservatism of the Catholic hierarchy isn't actually shared by most of their constituents. Catholics are far more favorably inclined towards gay marriage than protestants-- that anti-gay bigotry in the Protestant world mainly being driven by the evangelicals, Southern Baptists, and charismatic churches, with the Episcopalians and liberal versions of the Lutherans and Presbyterians being pretty cool on the subject.
385 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:54:44am |
re: #381 Aye Pod
Hi gus! Ice says hi too. We're sorry we mssed the fun here last night. Curse these old fangled UK hours!
Eh, we were just handing out a beatdown to a clueless and belligerent troll. For me it was fun until rwmofo dragged Wisconsin into his union-hate. Then it fell to me to get downdinged arguing points he's to dumb and angry to defend. Still, I enjoyed watching WUB smack rwmofo around like a hockey puck, as it was just plain funny to watch.
386 | Aye Pod Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:13:48am |
re: #383 Gus
Hey Jimmah. You guys need to tow the UK onto the sunny side of planet Earth.
//
Too true. Gotta run now - lunch time. Catch you all later.
387 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:15:12am |
NEW POST: 4 Freedoms Amends Code of Conduct After Post on Who "Should Have Been Killed" by Breivik: wp.me/p21TEW-37L— Richard Bartholomew (@Barthsnotes) April 29, 2012
389 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:20:31am |
4 Freedoms Amends Code of Conduct After Post on Who “Should Have Been Killed” by Breivik
Writer was formerly the EDL member Pamela Geller “most trusted”
The anti-Islam 4 Freedoms Community website has updated its Code of Conduct:
2.1 Legality
(b) Unlawful Killing
You must not endorse or encourage people to perform criminal executions. However, you can endorse enforcement of execution by the state (capital punishment) after application of due judicial process.According to a note on the same page, the change was made on 22 April. It was made in response to an inquiry from the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladget about a recent thread on the site; Roberta Moore (posting as “Morrigan Emaleth”) had used this thread to express her disappointment that Anders Brevik had failed to kill Eskil Pedersen, the AUF leader who survived the Utøya massacre by escaping by boat:
It seems Breivik missed one. This is precisely the coward that should have been killed. Cowards can run but eventually they meet their fate. May KARMA play its part now.
Continues.
390 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:26:02am |
re: #387 Gus
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Charles has had a rule covering their scope of their rule for many years. I'd ask why it took them so long to catch up, but I don't think I'd like the answer. The fact that they didn't warn Roberta Moore after the first time she said that. and then ban her after the second time speaks volumes.
BTW, Moore's nic, Morrigan Emaleth, is based on Moorigu, a Celtic war goddess who was supposed to be manifest wherever there was war. A perfect nic for a faux-tough wingnut.
391 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:29:59am |
re: #390 Dark_Falcon
Charles has had a rule covering their scope of their rule for many years. I'd ask why it took them so long to catch up, but I don't think I'd like the answer. The fact that they didn't warn Roberta Moore after the first time she said that. and then ban her after the second time speaks volumes.
BTW, Moore's nic, Morrigan Emaleth, is based on Moorigu, a Celtic war goddess who was supposed to be manifest wherever there was war. A perfect nic for a faux-tough wingnut.
Seems to be a trend with lunatics of this ilk. Always delving into fantasy land. She can probably still join the army and go off and fight in AFPAK but won't. That's another trend as well.
392 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:30:21am |
A little comedic interlude with a catchy tune...
393 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:37:42am |
re: #391 Gus
Seems to be a trend with lunatics of this ilk. Always delving into fantasy land. She can probably still join the army and go off and fight in AFPAK but won't. That's another trend as well.
Those few of wingnut mentalities who were really brave and actually wanted to fight have long since enlisted and done so, or joined law enforcement. But neither the Marines, nor the Army, nor the great majority of police forces has any use for wingnut mentalities, and the enforced contact with reality that is part of those jobs soon knocked the wingnuttiness out of most of them.
Thus, those wingnuts who actually want to fight by and large stop being wingnuts in the process of learning to fight. This is normal, as surviving combat requires a firm grip on reality and being a wingnut (or moonbat) precludes having such a grip.
394 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:38:18am |
re: #66 rwmofo
"...if you give rich people stuff, they will take it and demand respect for taking it and giving nothing..."
This is a great example of how left-wingers look at those of us who go to college for six years (Yeah, I have an MBA), sell our skills which help companies excel, grow and provide goods and services which are in high demand - notwithstanding the extra hours we put in at nights and on weekends in spite of unions demanding we put in no more than the bare minimum (No, I'm not in a union). But we "give nothing." Yeah, right.
This isn't to punch the troll, it's so I can springboard on a common error I see and try to fight.
No, let me punch the troll first. I, too, have six years of college. woohoo, so much for the argument from authority. But I digress.
Believe it or not, work performance and number of hours has been a subject of study for well over a century. In 1909, for example, Sidney Chapman reported his results in his "Hours of Labor" address.
A quick definition here. I'm going to use the non-standard term "good" and "flawed" work. "Good" work is high productivity with a low error rate. As speed of production decreases and/or error rates increase, the work becomes "flawed".
With that noted, I'm going to really simplify the past century or so of studies here - no annotations at this time as I'm pulling this off the top of my head. (It's Sunday morning and I've other things that need done.)
Point one. For most labor type jobs (aka blue collar) employees are able to do good work for about eight hours. After that flaws creep in. On average, workers hit 50% flawed work at around the twelfth hour. In other words, if workers produce 100 unflawed widgets an hour for the first eight hours, by hour 12 they're only producing 50 unflawed widgets. At time and a half the employer's effective cost of labor per widget is tripled.
Point two. For most 'knowledge' jobs (aka white collar) the break is six hours. No, that is not a typo. Six hours is the point at which the brain tends to start demanding a change of venue. The 50% flawed rate starts around 9 hours. However, you can get functional extensions by breaking this up with otherwise undesirable activities such as meetings. Yep, there's actually a reason for those daily excruciating mind-killers; they're restorative (sorta).
The bottom line is that I am no longer impressed, and indeed am the opposite, at any industry where the norm expected and conducted includes hours and hours of overtime. Bluntly, it means the bosses are ignorant and counterproductive. Bragging because you do worse work (though you do not realize it) does not impress me.
Oh, despite saying no annotations, I've got one handy on my desk. This is actually about sleep shortages (a normal consequence of constant overtime). Sleep, Sleep Deprivation, and Human Performance in Continuous Operations. link Working so much you short sleep will allow bursts where the total, even with some of the hours being less than 100%, will still be a lot. But if you sustain that behavior the groups that got their sleep will catch up and outperform you.
Or as one person I know phrases it: You can't sprint a marathon.
395 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:53:39am |
re: #394 kirkspencer
My own life corroborates this: When I worked at Officemax I almost always had to work the Sunday shift, simply because most of the staff there could not or would not do so. As the Officemax where I worked was open from 10am to 7pm on Sundays, this meant a 9 1/2 hour day (employees had to be at the store minutes before it opened and we normally left 30 minutes after closing time, with 1/2 an hour off for lunch). The last hour I was often something of a zombie and if I went to dinner afterward I said very little.
More recently, I've seen this happen to me couple times when I've had to stay late at work to finish something I was working on (I'm not required to do that, but I am loath to leave important work incomplete). After noticing it I cut back on how late I'm stay after 5pm, as that kind of tiredness brings on narcolepsy with a vengeance.
396 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 5:55:29am |
re: #395 Dark_Falcon
My own life corroborates this: When I worked at Officemax I almost always had to work the Sunday shift, simply because most of the staff there could not or would not do so. As the Officemax where I worked was open from 10am to 7pm on Sundays, this meant a 9 1/2 hour day (employees had to be at the store minutes before it opened and we normally left 30 minutes after closing time, with 1/2 an hour off for lunch). The last hour I was often something of a zombie and if I went to dinner afterward I said very little.
More recently, I've seen this happen to me couple times when I've had to stay late at work to finish something I was working on (I'm not required to do that, but I am loath to leave important work incomplete). After noticing it I cut back on how late I'm stay after 5pm, as that kind of tiredness brings on narcolepsy with a vengeance.
Note on the bolded passage: The store in question is still there and doing well, but they have since changed their Sunday hours, closing at 6pm instead of 7.
398 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:03:42am |
399 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:05:56am |
re: #398 Dark_Falcon
What is it this time?
Some MSNBC guy complaining about drones! Which of course bring the Obama WH into the fold by default.
400 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:06:57am |
re: #398 Dark_Falcon
What is it this time?
Emo-progs and puritopians. More specifically: [Link: upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com...]
401 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:18:14am |
re: #400 Gus
Emo-progs and puritopians. More specifically: [Link: upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com...]
Chris Hayes is a moonbat who's never seen a weapons system he liked or could support the use of. Weak, stupid, and sick.
402 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:28:45am |
re: #401 Dark_Falcon
Chris Hayes is a moonbat who's never seen a weapons system he liked or could support the use of. Weak, stupid, and sick.
He's trying to edge into the Glenn-Greenwald-Industrial-Complex. ;) The trend now is to become all hysterical about UAVs. We have two choices with AFPAK. We either stay or go. Sooner or later we will be leaving. However, it's absurd to focus on drones. It's sort of like debating which is worse, getting shot by a .22 or a shotgun. UAVs can utilize low-yield munitions and more precise targeting against enemy targets. Without UAVs we're looking at what? Some F-18 orbiting around and dropping a 2,000 pound JDAM.
It was the Obama administration that decided to expand the use of UAVs. So every time these guys start complaining about UAVs they're criticizing the Obama White House. Their alternative of course is an unelectable candidate like Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, or any other utopian candidate. Focusing on UAVs seems to be quite a stretch and arguing about the minutia. If they're anti-war then they should be arguing for a complete withdrawal from AFPAK and not the use of "drones". If we stay and hypothetically stop using drones that means it would have to be replaced with traditional munitions platforms.
403 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:39:49am |
re: #402 Gus
He's trying to edge into the Glenn-Greenwald-Industrial-Complex. ;) The trend now is to become all hysterical about UAVs. We have two choices with AFPAK. We either stay or go. Sooner or later we will be leaving. However, it's absurd to focus on drones. It's sort of like debating which is worse, getting shot by a .22 or a shotgun. UAVs can utilize low-yield munitions and more precise targeting against enemy targets. Without UAVs we're looking at what? Some F-18 orbiting around and dropping a 2,000 pound JDAM.
It was the Obama administration that decided to expand the use of UAVs. So every time these guys start complaining about UAVs they're criticizing the Obama White House. Their alternative of course is an unelectable candidate like Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, or any other utopian candidate. Focusing on UAVs seems to be quite a stretch and arguing about the minutia. If they're anti-war then they should be arguing for a complete withdrawal from AFPAK and not the use of "drones". If we stay and hypothetically stop using drones that means it would have to be replaced with traditional munitions platforms.
I've a slightly different opinion. If you're bombing people in a nation without that nation's approval, it can be considered an act of war. There are oddities in both Pakistan and Yemen in regard to our use that tells me we're not asking permission there.
It bothers me on several levels.
404 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:43:49am |
re: #403 kirkspencer
I've a slightly different opinion. If you're bombing people in a nation without that nation's approval, it can be considered an act of war. There are oddities in both Pakistan and Yemen in regard to our use that tells me we're not asking permission there.
It bothers me on several levels.
That would happen and has happened regardless of the platform. If we didn't have UAVs then we'd send in something else. Strategy and global goals are the larger question not the delivery.
405 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:47:52am |
re: #404 Gus
That would happen and has happened regardless of the platform. If we didn't have UAVs then we'd send in something else. Strategy and global goals are the larger question not the delivery.
Yes and no. would happen, has happened, but the drones have made it significantly easier.
Not least in that is the fact that so many of the dones are not military.
406 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:48:54am |
re: #403 kirkspencer
I've a slightly different opinion. If you're bombing people in a nation without that nation's approval, it can be considered an act of war. There are oddities in both Pakistan and Yemen in regard to our use that tells me we're not asking permission there.
It bothers me on several levels.
In the case of Pakistan, its mostly been done with a 'wink and a nod'. Which is good enough for me.
407 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:49:39am |
re: #405 kirkspencer
Yes and no. would happen, has happened, but the drones have made it significantly easier.
Not least in that is the fact that so many of the drones are not military.
How do you mean?
408 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:51:48am |
re: #405 kirkspencer
Yes and no. would happen, has happened, but the drones have made it significantly easier.
Not least in that is the fact that so many of the dones are not military.
Yes, it is easier. So one can question the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen however "drones" really have little to do with the larger question if one wanted to choose such a route. Without the CIA drones we would have used either ground troops (special forces), cruises missiles, or a conventional air strike. It still would have happened and likely have resulted in a greater loss of life on both sides. As far as non-military use of force such as the CIA this isn't anything new as we've done so in Southeast Asia, Central and South America, etc.
409 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:59:21am |
410 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:02:29am |
It's like that infamous sighting of Osama bin Laden at that hunting camp. They weren't going to use drones since we didn't have any at the time. The plan was to use ship launched cruise missiles or perhaps an airstrike. The CIA was also involved. The UAE also fell into the picture.
411 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:04:25am |
re: #409 kirkspencer
A large number are CIA.
Eh, that's actually for the better. Easier to keep key details a secret as well. It's also put fresh blood on the CIA's hands and fresh iron in its spine. In a dangerous world, those are good things for an intelligence agency to be seen as having.
412 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:08:36am |
re: #408 Gus
Yes, it is easier. So one can question the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen however "drones" really have little to do with the larger question if one wanted to choose such a route. Without the CIA drones we would have used either ground troops (special forces), cruises missiles, or a conventional air strike. It still would have happened and likely have resulted in a greater loss of life on both sides. As far as non-military use of force such as the CIA this isn't anything new as we've done so in Southeast Asia, Central and South America, etc.
Unproveable statement. And in fact I'd argue it would not have happened.
The problem with using the drones as we do and have is that we are opening a door I don't think we want opened.
In simple it's a parallel to the "no torture" argument: we don't do assassinations.
And yes, I think they're technically assassinations. Are they wartime assassinations (which head into the gray area of sniperdom and such)? Some are, some are not.
413 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:11:28am |
re: #412 kirkspencer
Why do you think it being drones makes a difference?
414 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:12:08am |
re: #412 kirkspencer
What do you see as a gray area about being a sniper?
415 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:12:40am |
re: #412 kirkspencer
Unproveable statement. And in fact I'd argue it would not have happened.
The problem with using the drones as we do and have is that we are opening a door I don't think we want opened.
In simple it's a parallel to the "no torture" argument: we don't do assassinations.
And yes, I think they're technically assassinations. Are they wartime assassinations (which head into the gray area of sniperdom and such)? Some are, some are not.
Sure it would have. It would have been a continuation of US policy since the end of WWII.
416 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:13:27am |
That's like saying "get rid of drones" and we'll "end US meddling" so to speak.
417 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:14:55am |
re: #411 Dark_Falcon
Eh, that's actually for the better. Easier to keep key details a secret as well. It's also put fresh blood on the CIA's hands and fresh iron in its spine. In a dangerous world, those are good things for an intelligence agency to be seen as having.
No. Oh, god, no. Sorry, DF, but that's as poor a reason as the defenses of torture. (note, I'm not accusing you of being in favor of torture. I'm correlating the argument.)
The job of intelligence agencies is intelligence gathering. Some intelligence agencies double-hat as counterintelligence agencies, where the job is denying enemy intelligence in ways that include misdirection and elimination.
There's a long history of this last ability getting blurred and broadened; of expanding to assassination of leaders and poisoning of food supplies and dropping bacteria in water supplies and a host of other things. They're moving from counterintelligence to what today we call asymmetrical warfare, and at war-crime levels at that.
Intel and counterintel are not enhanced with a reputation of blood and iron any more than interrogation are enhanced by fear and pain.
418 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:15:10am |
re: #412 kirkspencer
Unproveable statement. And in fact I'd argue it would not have happened.
The problem with using the drones as we do and have is that we are opening a door I don't think we want opened.
In simple it's a parallel to the "no torture" argument: we don't do assassinations.
And yes, I think they're technically assassinations. Are they wartime assassinations (which head into the gray area of sniperdom and such)? Some are, some are not.
And that's where we disagree: I think we have to do assassinations. There's no other way get rid of some these terror masters and we can't just try to defend against their attacks. Enough attacks will succeed over time to demoralize us, and energize them. If the enemy considers himself at war with and will continually try to attack you, you've got to attack him and kill his forces if you want to live. If that means running international law through a shredder, then so be it.
419 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:18:23am |
re: #417 kirkspencer
No. Oh, god, no. Sorry, DF, but that's as poor a reason as the defenses of torture. (note, I'm not accusing you of being in favor of torture. I'm correlating the argument.)
The job of intelligence agencies is intelligence gathering. Some intelligence agencies double-hat as counterintelligence agencies, where the job is denying enemy intelligence in ways that include misdirection and elimination.
There's a long history of this last ability getting blurred and broadened; of expanding to assassination of leaders and poisoning of food supplies and dropping bacteria in water supplies and a host of other things. They're moving from counterintelligence to what today we call asymmetrical warfare, and at war-crime levels at that.
Intel and counterintel are not enhanced with a reputation of blood and iron any more than interrogation are enhanced by fear and pain.
Do you have a specific example of this?
420 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:18:57am |
re: #417 kirkspencer
I'm sorry, I'm having a great deal of difficulty figuring out why you have a problem with the killing of 'leaders'. Why should the guy who's giving the orders to the guy to make and plant the IEDs have his life held sacrosanct, while the guy who's making the IEDs can be shot?
421 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:20:53am |
Speaking of drones: Drone strike kills four suspected militants in Pakistan
A U.S. drone strike killed four suspected militants in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal region near the Afghan border on Sunday, intelligence officials and witnesses said, the first strike in almost a month.
422 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:25:57am |
re: #420 Obdicut
I'm sorry, I'm having a great deal of difficulty figuring out why you have a problem with the killing of 'leaders'. Why should the guy who's giving the orders to the guy to make and plant the IEDs have his life held sacrosanct, while the guy who's making the IEDs can be shot?
"Shall I shoot the simple soldier boy who deserts and yet not touch a hair on the head of the wily agitator who induces him to desert?"
- Abraham Lincoln
423 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:29:18am |
re: #421 Killgore Trout
Speaking of drones: Drone strike kills four suspected militants in Pakistan
'Suspected militant' is the military equivalent to Florida's Stand Your Ground law.
424 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:31:04am |
Good Morning,
Was just reading about yesterday's anniversary of Operation Tiger. This was the practice landing for D-day that went all murphy on the Army.
[Link: www.npr.org...]
As one person in the article notes, we lost more men practicing for Utah Beach than we lost actually _on_ Utah Beach...
I'll leave the modern day correlation's to those who wish to make them.
425 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:33:44am |
re: #423 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
'Suspected militant' is the military equivalent to Florida's Stand Your Ground law.
I'm not sure I would conflate the two. Otherwise, since the Commander in Chief is behind these drone strikes we're approaching a conclusion that Obama is no better than George Zimmerman.
427 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:37:49am |
Or from Al Jazeera:
Deaths in US drone strike in Pakistan
Three suspected fighters killed in missile strike in North Waziristan, local intelligence officials say.
...The use of the remotely piloted aircraft over Pakistan is opposed by most Pakistani politicians and the public, who
consider drone strikes violations of sovereignty with unacceptable civilian casualties.But despite public opposition, Pakistan appears to have quietly supported the programme, which President Barack Obama ramped up after taking office in 2009.
On January 30, during an online question-and-answer forum sponsored by Google, Obama acknowledged the use of drones to make targeted killings for the first time.
428 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:38:02am |
re: #424 William Barnett-Lewis
Good Morning,
Was just reading about yesterday's anniversary of Operation Tiger. This was the practice landing for D-day that went all murphy on the Army.
[Link: www.npr.org...]
As one person in the article notes, we lost more men practicing for Utah Beach than we lost actually _on_ Utah Beach...
I'll leave the modern day correlation's to those who wish to make them.
Not sure if that's practical. The German S-Boats that executed the torpedo attack on those landing craft had first rate technology for their time and were crewed by real sailors lead by real naval officers. Our current enemy seldom has first rate tech and has no real soldiers or officers.
429 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:38:57am |
re: #425 Gus
I'm not sure I would conflate the two. Otherwise, since the Commander in Chief is behind these drone strikes we're approaching a conclusion that Obama is no better than George Zimmerman.
Obama isn't involved with deciding on a strike by strike basis. I just get tired of hearing 'suspected militant'...if they know the people are militants then fine, but if they only suspect that people are militants, then not so fine. We've been in Afghanistan for 10 years. Today's suspected militants were photographed getting candy bars from US Marines after we took out the Taliban.
431 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:44:27am |
re: #429 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
Obama isn't involved with deciding on a strike by strike basis. I just get tired of hearing 'suspected militant'...if they know the people are militants then fine, but if they only suspect that people are militants, then not so fine. We've been in Afghanistan for 10 years. Today's suspected militants were photographed getting candy bars from US Marines after we took out the Taliban.
To me it just seems almost silly to be advertising a "drone strike" that kills 4 militants -- suspected or otherwise. It's a bit like a police blotter and at that rate this "war" will be over in 100 years. The question for me isn't the method but the overall strategy which I see as futile for the most part. It's like Columbia which is still fighting the FARC. The people that should be fighting the Taliban are the Afghanistan and Pakistan people themselves.
432 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:45:53am |
A very scary movie, don't blink...
[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]
433 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:51:04am |
re: #430 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
The Germans still lost the war.
True, but beside the point. My point was that we face a very different enemy now than the Kriegsmarine of WWII, which makes analogies seriously problematic.
434 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:51:11am |
Response to a barrage of questions instead of doing one-at-a-times.
Let's start with the issue of my problem with assassinations. The practical is the stated reason Reagan put them in EO12333. If you do them you have no moral ground on which to stand when others use them against you. Less obvious but equally problematical is that they're easier. One of the inherent brakes on using military action against a disliked (much less antagonistic) neighbor is that it takes effort to deploy, and it is subject to public scrutiny.
Add the potential. If it becomes easy, at what point does it happen within the nation? Please don't tell me it'll never happen here. While I've long known we have to resist doing easy evil, the argument of "never here" ended with the whole torture game.
Now, why do I think snipers are a gray area? Because we can and do (historically) send snipers against civilians who directly assist or control the military in war. On the one hand they're not military. On the other it is under color of war and they are directly contributing.
Obdi asked why I think it being drones makes a difference. Again, it's a matter of ease. When it was an assassination/sniper team the team still had difficulties. Drones make it even easier. And whether you like it or not they're going to get easier yet. High altitude long endurance UAVs are beginning to deploy, and there's already testing of loading them with a few guided munitions. (GPS guided bombs from 50,000 feet or higher make the explosives redundant.)
Finally, Obdi asked about poisonings and bacteria. The bacterial attack is fairly easy to demonstrate, starting with the (~600BC) Assyrian practice of poisoning wells with rye ergot a few days prior to an attack. When I wrote of poisoning grain, I was thinking of various scenarios (both fiction and emergency response training). I cannot think of an actual case of this.
435 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:53:09am |
Heh...hadn't seen this before.
What it said - What it meant
436 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:57:42am |
re: #434 kirkspencer
Let's start with the issue of my problem with assassinations. The practical is the stated reason Reagan put them in EO12333. If you do them you have no moral ground on which to stand when others use them against you.
Rather than referring to someone else, why can't you just state your objection in your own terms? Since EO12333 doesn't define assassination, it's not really satisfactory as a reference.
And the "It's easier" argument is really a non-starter. At best, it's a slippery slope fallacy. At worst, it's a counter-argument; in general, we want to use things at are easier. Is your argument just that it shouldn't be the intelligence services using these drones, that it should be military and have the oversight military operations do?
Now, why do I think snipers are a gray area? Because we can and do (historically) send snipers against civilians who directly assist or control the military in war. On the one hand they're not military. On the other it is under color of war and they are directly contributing.
Can you give an example? For example, would you consider the Nazi leadership to be 'civilians'? Do you think that the leadership of the countries in WWII were not legitimate targets for the other nations, but only the schmucks getting trenchfoot in the forests were?
437 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 7:59:21am |
re: #433 Dark_Falcon
True, but beside the point. My point was that we face a very different enemy now than the Kriegsmarine of WWII, which makes analogies seriously problematic.
And my point is that we have highly trained technical and well-armed troops. As did the Soviets when they occupied Afghanistan in the 1970s and early 1980s...or the English in 1842
438 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:02:11am |
re: #276 Inconsequential Consequences
What to expect when the 'private sector' takes over:
Monopolies from large companies eating smaller companies. Wages taking a nose dive, while prices remain stable but quality and product size drops. Massive PR campaigns to convince the consumer they're the ones benefiting.
Large scale group hallucinations of kind, honest, socially responsible corporations.
Multinational corporations taking over for governments as the public sector becomes more and more inefficient in comparison.
And all sports replaced by Rollerball.
439 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:09:16am |
re: #437 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
And my point is that we have highly trained technical and well-armed troops. As did the Soviets when they occupied Afghanistan in the 1970s and early 1980s...or the English in 1842
It took Alexander the Great only six months to conquer Persia, the superpower of that age, but it took him nearly three years (from about 330 BC–327 BC) to subdue Afghanistan. And as soon as he died they threw off that subjugation and have been eating empires for breakfast ever since.
440 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:14:13am |
re: #439 William Barnett-Lewis
It took Alexander the Great only six months to conquer Persia, the superpower of that age, but it took him nearly three years (from about 330 BC–327 BC) to subdue Afghanistan. And as soon as he died they threw off that subjugation and have been eating empires for breakfast ever since.
It's not a matter of if we get our asses handed to us, but when. Eventually, Afghanistan will get a benefactor to help their resistance to the US, as they did when we helped them against the Soviets. Far better to let them self-manage now while we can still claim some kind of accomplishment.
441 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:16:22am |
re: #440 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
It's not a matter of if we get our asses handed to us, but when. Eventually, Afghanistan will get a benefactor to help their resistance to the US, as they did when we helped them against the Soviets. Far better to let them self-manage now while we can still claim some kind of accomplishment.
Horseshit.
442 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:18:23am |
re: #440 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
It's not a matter of if we get our asses handed to us, but when. Eventually, Afghanistan will get a benefactor to help their resistance to the US, as they did when we helped them against the Soviets. Far better to let them self-manage now while we can still claim some kind of accomplishment.
Agreed. Right now all we're accomplishing is killing good troopers for absolutely no good reason. I am grateful that myself and all other veterans in my family are out of the Army.
443 | erik_t Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:20:01am |
re: #440 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
Eventually, Afghanistan will get a benefactor to help their resistance to the US, as they did when we helped them against the Soviets.
History repeats itself because of common factors, not because History likes to hear itself talk. What nation has the ability and the interest to influence Afghanistan in a way unfavorable to the United States, and either would not suffer repercussions or would consider the trade to be worth it?
The Cold War is over. Proxy wars seem, to a great extent, to be over. We should GTFO out of Afghanistan, but not because some sort of nebulous shadowy Taliban-supporter is lurking in the wings.
444 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:22:47am |
re: #441 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit.
Sorry DF, but we lost Afganistan the day President Bush turned his attention to Iraq rather than finishing the job. Once that happened, enough of the bad guys slipped off into the mountains to form a cadre that will be recruiting and training young boys till the judgement day. The drones can kill the worst of them & keep them bottled up there but they can't kill them all and they can't change the culture that drives their war against us.
The only way to pacify Afganistan would be to create a peace like that of the moon & Americans, thank God, aren't willing to do that.
BIAB.
445 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:23:00am |
re: #443 erik_t
History repeats itself because of common factors, not because History likes to hear itself talk. What nation has the ability and the interest to influence Afghanistan in a way unfavorable to the United States, and either would not suffer repercussions or would consider the trade to be worth it?
The Cold War is over. Proxy wars seem, to a great extent, to be over. We should GTFO out of Afghanistan, but not because some sort of nebulous shadowy Taliban-supporter is lurking in the wings.
QTF.
446 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:23:10am |
re: #441 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit.
I know...you live in a world where secret assassin man with a price can go in and kill the bad guys, but don't worry...it'll all be better when Jesus comes back.
447 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:24:22am |
re: #427 Gus
Then Pakistan can do something about the Terrorists, and the towns can stop sheltering them. Though the situation in the NWFP is sop confusing, I couldn't tell you heads or tails what is going on.
448 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:26:00am |
re: #443 erik_t
History repeats itself because of common factors, not because History likes to hear itself talk. What nation has the ability and the interest to influence Afghanistan in a way unfavorable to the United States, and either would not suffer repercussions or would consider the trade to be worth it?
The Cold War is over. Proxy wars seem, to a great extent, to be over. We should GTFO out of Afghanistan, but not because some sort of nebulous shadowy Taliban-supporter is lurking in the wings.
True...great line by the way, can I borrow it?...but where one cold war ends, another begins. I don't put it beyond China's interest to keep the US bogged down in a military and fiscal whirl pool. We destroyed the Soviets by letting them bankrupt themselves.
449 | erik_t Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:26:02am |
452 | erik_t Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:27:51am |
re: #448 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
True...great line by the way, can I borrow it?...but where one cold war ends, another begins. I don't put it beyond China's interest to keep the US bogged down in a military and fiscal whirl pool. We destroyed the Soviets by letting them bankrupt themselves.
If China gets the United States bogged down in a fiscal whirlpool, who will fill the orders for China's vast slew of factories? I'm sure China would dearly love for the United States to spend less of its budget on military wares, as we don't buy defense equipment from China.
453 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:28:40am |
re: #436 Obdicut
Rather than referring to someone else, why can't you just state your objection in your own terms? Since EO12333 doesn't define assassination, it's not really satisfactory as a reference.
Obdicut, that's a really annoying habit. You've got a habit of wanting 'own words' when people make reference to something they think makes the issue clear, and when they use their own words you want cites to support or clarify.
Besides, I DID supplement with my own word, or at least paraphrase. As you just said the EO didn't make it clear, and I certainly didn't link to what Reagan (or Carter or Ford before him) said. Instead I said (and notice I'm quoting): " If you do them you have no moral ground on which to stand when others use them against you."
And the "It's easier" argument is really a non-starter. At best, it's a slippery slope fallacy. At worst, it's a counter-argument; in general, we want to use things at are easier.
No, we do not want to use things that are easier. By the way, slippery slope is not a fallacy, it's an argument. It is a fallacy to use it in all cases, but in this case it is indirectly applicable.
Making things easier makes the slope slippery. Adding friction helps prevent that. The more undesirable the bottom of the slope, the more important friction becomes.
Is your argument just that it shouldn't be the intelligence services using these drones, that it should be military and have the oversight military operations do?
Actually, close. I think it might be valid for intel to use armed drones but it should be done with significant oversight. See my posts above about the role of intel and counterintel.
456 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:31:33am |
re: #452 erik_t
If China gets the United States bogged down in a fiscal whirlpool, who will fill the orders for China's vast slew of factories? I'm sure China would dearly love for the United States to spend less of its budget on military wares, as we don't buy defense equipment from China.
After every great societal collapse, someone comes out on top. We delude ourselves if we take it for granted that it will be us.
457 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:32:54am |
(and the rest)
re: #436 Obdicut
Can you give an example? For example, would you consider the Nazi leadership to be 'civilians'? Do you think that the leadership of the countries in WWII were not legitimate targets for the other nations, but only the schmucks getting trenchfoot in the forests were?
Operation Phoenix for the example. And I get the feeling you're not really reading what I write as I said I'm mixed about the targeting of leaders.
Let me give a decent example of many of the problems. Hilda Solis is US Secretary of Labor.
We are currently "at war" with terrorists. Is Secretary Solis a legitimate assassination target?
What if we officially go to war with Iran. Is she then a legitimate target?
What of any state's governor, or for that matter any state's attorney general?
Are they legitimate targets?
458 | erik_t Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:33:34am |
re: #456 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
After every great societal collapse, someone comes out on top. We delude ourselves if we take it for granted that it will be us.
Completely unhinged from the topic at hand. China's leaders have things pretty good right now, and have no interest in pushing towards a mass societal collapse.
459 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:36:14am |
re: #456 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
After every great societal collapse, someone comes out on top. We delude ourselves if we take it for granted that it will be us.
Our delusion is that we think we will never collapse. And thus are willing to keep dancing closer and closer to the precipice chasing the butterflies of legislating morality.
460 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:37:00am |
re: #458 erik_t
Problems are beginning to bubble up though. I, for one, want to see the problems overtake China and drive it into the ground. Then have a scientific experiment to see what happens when brutally oppressed groups begin to backlash against all of China, and how the neighbors they have pissed off (which is nearly all of them) begin to stab them in the back.
I'm hoping for an hour of wolves to humiliate China and put it in its place.
461 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:37:33am |
re: #446 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
I know...you live in a world where secret assassin man with a price can go in and kill the bad guys, but don't worry...it'll all be better when Jesus comes back.
Those posts were me role-playing and I made clear they were not to be taken seriously.
462 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:37:33am |
Okay..re: #458 erik_t
Completely unhinged from the topic at hand. China's leaders have things pretty good right now, and have no interest in pushing towards a mass societal collapse.
Yes, but a good half of America's leaders aren't so forward thinking. I'm more worried about people like Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney than I am Hu Jintao.
463 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:39:42am |
re: #461 Dark_Falcon
Those posts were me role-playing and I made clear they were not to be taken seriously.
Oh, I know secret assassin man...just fucking with you. But I will continue to use your line about 'until Jesus comes back.' That fuckin' shit wasn't role playing, but it was hilarious...from afar.
464 | kirkspencer Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:41:05am |
ugh. Need to go to do stuff the wife demands done. I'll come back to reread further discussion later.
465 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:42:53am |
re: #460 ProGunLiberal
Problems are beginning to bubble up though. I, for one, want to see the problems overtake China and drive it into the ground. Then have a scientific experiment to see what happens when brutally oppressed groups begin to backlash against all of China, and how the neighbors they have pissed off (which is nearly all of them) begin to stab them in the back.
I'm hoping for an hour of wolves to humiliate China and put it in its place.
You're doing it again. "An hour of wolves"* is never a thing to be wished for, unless you like the fact that most of the people ravaged by the wolves are decent people who do not deserve such a fate.
*: The phrase is part of the speech by Aragorn before the Black Gates of Mordor in LotR, RotK, as I remember.
466 | darthstar Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:43:21am |
Okay...things on my list for today:
1. take the dogs for a run
2. mow the lawn
3. finish a bit more laundry
4. go see the SF Giants with some Russian contractors who have been visiting our office for a the last week.
I'd better get started since it's already a quarter to nine.
Oh, and Thank you Staney Sea for the donation!
467 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:43:49am |
re: #464 kirkspencer
ugh. Need to go to do stuff the wife demands done. I'll come back to reread further discussion later.
Now we see the truth: The real drone is kirkspencer!
/entirely kidding
468 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:45:09am |
Well, I certainly don't have a quick answer. These are big, frustrating issues. All I can say is that I will choose Obama to mitigate these issues of war since I believe he is the best qualified and more reasonable choice.
469 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:46:41am |
re: #465 Dark_Falcon
China does need to lose both Tibet and Uyghurstan for their treatment of those minorities. This also helps us. A good chunk of China's mineral resources are in these two areas, and if I am not mistaken, one of those two holds most of the valuable rare earth metals.
China is Paleo-Imperialist, and I despise that.
470 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:47:14am |
re: #466 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
Okay...things on my list for today:
1. take the dogs for a run
2. mow the lawn
3. finish a bit more laundry
4. go see the SF Giants with some Russian contractors who have been visiting our office for a the last week.I'd better get started since it's already a quarter to nine.
Oh, and Thank you Staney Sea for the donation!
You be worthy!! Good luck.
471 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:47:23am |
472 | McSpiff Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:49:41am |
Morning Lizards,re: #446 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)
I know...you live in a world where secret assassin man with a price can go in and kill the bad guys, but don't worry...it'll all be better when Jesus comes back.
Downvoted because this adds nothing to the discussion and because quite frankly you've demonstrated nothing more than a cartoonish level of knowledge about the operations in Afganistan. If you want to have an honest discussion about this, you could do worse than starting with Rand's How Insurgencies End. In a nutshell, the terrain and Afghan society lend itself well to the Taliban, but cutting off the flow of support from Pakistan and a baseline of support to the Afghan National Government + time can lead to a favorable outcome.
473 | allegro Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:50:32am |
re: #460 ProGunLiberal
Problems are beginning to bubble up though. I, for one, want to see the problems overtake China and drive it into the ground. Then have a scientific experiment to see what happens when brutally oppressed groups begin to backlash against all of China, and how the neighbors they have pissed off (which is nearly all of them) begin to stab them in the back.
I'm hoping for an hour of wolves to humiliate China and put it in its place.
You seem to have some very creepy and violent rage issues. I don' think China is what you're talking about here and it's disturbing.
474 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:51:24am |
re: #472 McSpiff
Unfortunately, I think it is too late to deal with. We installed the wrong sort of Government after the invasion, and we allowed Pakistan too much leeway.
475 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:53:17am |
Somebody found this on Something Awful. What story is it referring to?
476 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:54:13am |
re: #472 McSpiff
Morning Lizards,
Downvoted because this adds nothing to the discussion and because quite frankly you've demonstrated nothing more than a cartoonish level of knowledge about the operations in Afganistan. If you want to have an honest discussion about this, you could do worse than starting with Rand's How Insurgencies End. In a nutshell, the terrain and Afghan society lend itself well to the Taliban, but cutting off the flow of support from Pakistan and a baseline of support to the Afghan National Government + time can lead to a favorable outcome.
Thank you for the support.
477 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:54:51am |
re: #475 ProGunLiberal
Somebody found this on Something Awful. What story is it referring to?
Game of Thrones.
478 | ReamWorks SKG Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:55:53am |
Greetings from Barcelona! I think I'm going to institute the siesta at my company every afternoon. It's very civilized.
479 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 29, 2012 8:56:13am |
re: #477 Dark_Falcon
I assume it is relatively accurate?
Although, why did they use a 20+ year old picture of Clinton?
481 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:07:45am |
re: #479 ProGunLiberal
I assume it is relatively accurate?
Although, why did they use a 20+ year old picture of Clinton?
Two major changes: Santorum isn't all that popular in the Midwest and Al Gore did not "have his throne stolen".
482 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:09:22am |
re: #453 kirkspencer
Obdicut, that's a really annoying habit. You've got a habit of wanting 'own words' when people make reference to something they think makes the issue clear, and when they use their own words you want cites to support or clarify.
No, that's not true. I want citations of fact, not of opinion-- except when talking about stuff like experts talking on the economy. In this case, referencing Reagan's executive order isn't enough because it doesn't define what an assassination is, nor does it touch on any of the moral or ethical grounds. It doesn't give a reason, and what I'm asking for is a reason.
Besides, I DID supplement with my own word, or at least paraphrase. As you just said the EO didn't make it clear, and I certainly didn't link to what Reagan (or Carter or Ford before him) said. Instead I said (and notice I'm quoting): " If you do them you have no moral ground on which to stand when others use them against you."
Again, to me that's a non-argument. If we're talking about assassination by using something like a drone to kill a military leader, then I'm fine with that being done to us. If the Germans had had better guidance systems on V2s and were able to target Eisenhower, Churchill, or even the President, I'd say that's a perfectly acceptable attack-- all of those people control the military.
No, we do not want to use things that are easier. By the way, slippery slope is not a fallacy, it's an argument. It is a fallacy to use it in all cases, but in this case it is indirectly applicable.
It is both an argument, and a fallacy. I'm saying the way you're using it is in the manner of a fallacy-- arguing that things will inevitably get worse, without actually making the argument that it's so. The same argument could be used against scopes on rifles.
Making things easier makes the slope slippery. Adding friction helps prevent that. The more undesirable the bottom of the slope, the more important friction becomes.
Analogies are generally more entertaining than informative, that one included. What is the 'bottom of the slope'? Unrestricted warfare?
Actually, close. I think it might be valid for intel to use armed drones but it should be done with significant oversight. See my posts above about the role of intel and counterintel.
Then what is all your talk about assassination in reference to?
Operation Phoenix for the example. And I get the feeling you're not really reading what I write as I said I'm mixed about the targeting of leaders.
If I missed anything, I apologize. Can you point out where you said you're 'mixed', and can you explain why you're mixed about it?
Let me give a decent example of many of the problems. Hilda Solis is US Secretary of Labor.
We are currently "at war" with terrorists. Is Secretary Solis a legitimate assassination target?
No, she's not in control of anything related to the military.
What of any state's governor, or for that matter any state's attorney general?
Are they legitimate targets?
No, again, they're not in charge of the military. (The Governors might be legitimate military targets during an actual invasion of the US, but not otherwise.)
483 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:12:59am |
Breitbart editor and "Harvard law grad" sends attack dogs after the wrong Dan Savage on Twitter.
He's done so twice this morning and is ignoring several people including myself pointing out this error.
SOP for the Breitbots.
484 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:14:08am |
re: #483 Gus
Heh. The real Dan Savage vs. Breitbartians is a completely unfair fight. Savage is smart, and, well, savage.
486 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:16:14am |
I also love all these adults claiming 'bullying'. Do the morons not get that we're talking about bullying in school? Sure, the problems can extend into adult life, but bullying and just insulting people are wildly different things. It shows an absolute ignorance about what bullying is and why it's a problem, to think that Cain is being bullied by Savage saying "Suck my dick".
487 | lawhawk Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:19:44am |
re: #403 kirkspencer
I think we've got permission, within certain limitations.
For instance, with Pakistan, we've got tacit approval from members of the Pakistani military and some within the Pakistani government.
We don't have permission from the tribal groups that are autonomous within the frontier provinces. We don't have the best relationship with the ISI, particularly since we embarrassed the heck out of them with the OBL raid (among other things).
To put it mildly, things are complicated in Pakistan.
Yemen isn't all that different, although the government is even weaker and less capable of holding together its territories. We once again probably have agreements with the Yemeni military (and the prior regime for that matter), but while Pakistan has an actual semi-autonomous region - the frontier provinces that were part and parcel of their independence and historical relationship, the Yemeni regime has historically been weak and an outgrowth of its makeup of different tribal groups.
488 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:20:36am |
Egypt is continuing its slide down the crazy hole:
In a matter of 24 hours: Baradei forms party, Saudi closes embassy, Salafis support Abol Fotouh and clashes erupt at MOD. Calm down, Egypt.
— Mosa'ab Elshamy (@mosaaberizing) April 28, 2012
489 | Gus Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:20:48am |
re: #486 Obdicut
I also love all these adults claiming 'bullying'. Do the morons not get that we're talking about bullying in high school? Sure, the problems can extend into adult life, but bullying and just insulting people are wildly different things. It shows an absolute ignorance about what bullying is and why it's a problem, to think that Cain is being bullied by Savage saying "Suck my dick".
You can see most of the morons in action here.
490 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:21:53am |
491 | lawhawk Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:24:34am |
re: #488 ProGunLiberal
Yet, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis are backing the moderate guy.
The main missionary and political groups of the ultraconservatives, known as Salafis, threw their support behind Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh, a dissident former leader of the Muslim Brotherhood known for his tolerant and inclusive view of Islamic law.
The endorsement goes a long way toward making Mr. Aboul Fotouh the front-runner in a campaign that could shape the ultimate outcome of the revolt that ousted the former strongman, Hosni Mubarak.
Mr. Aboul Fotouh’s liberal understanding of Islamic law on matters of individual freedom and economic equality had already made him the preferred candidate of many Egyptian liberals.
His endorsement on Saturday by the Salafis now makes him the candidate of Egypt’s most determined conservatives, too. Known for their strict focus on Islamic law, the Salafis often talk of reviving medieval Islamic corporal punishments, restricting women’s dress and the sale of alcohol, and cracking down on heretical culture.
493 | ProGunLiberal Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:29:59am |
re: #492 Obdicut
There is something else going on that me (or the rest of us) don't fully grasp. I think their is something insidious going on. The Salafis are incapable of good, so why are they supporting an ostensible moderate. The only thing I can think of is that they think Fotouh is pliable.
494 | lawhawk Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:33:45am |
re: #492 Obdicut
Pragmatism. Some influence is better than none, and maybe they're betting that he's going to allow them to continue operating and proselytizing, something that hadn't been possible with the Sadat and Mubarak regimes.
In a way, it could be that they figure that if they make a concession here - and back Fatouh, they'll get something down the road - or that they'll have a greater opportunity to focus on the parliament. With the Constitution still to be determined, focusing on the Parliament and how the constitution functions may be where they're going. They could realize that they'd be able to limit the power of the president and/or prime minister positions, while maximizing their power and influence via the parliament.
Those are some huge questions to be resolved, but I think that's what they're looking at - to focus on the parliament.
495 | lawhawk Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:34:54am |
re: #493 ProGunLiberal
He's split from the MB and has shown a streak of independence. I don't think he's going back on that, but rather the Salafis and MB are both looking at ways of influencing the process through the parliament.
496 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:38:08am |
re: #494 lawhawk
Heh. Egypt may wind up with an extremist party causing chaos in the legislature while a moderate head tries to be tolerant. What does that remind me of?
497 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:46:33am |
Looks like the anti-government wingnut who shot his wife and daughter shot himself, too.
[Link: mynorthwest.com...]
498 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:57:58am |
re: #492 Obdicut
Why would they support someone like that?
Back the most likely winner, get at least some political capital to spend later perhaps?
499 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:59:05am |
500 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:00:04am |
To Keep the Faith, Don’t Get AnalyticalMany people with religious convictions feel that their faith is rock solid. But a new study finds that prompting people to engage in analytical thinking can cause their religious beliefs to waver, if only a little. Researchers say the findings have potentially significant implications for understanding the cognitive underpinnings of religion.
Psychologists often carve thinking into two broad categories: intuitive thinking, which is fast and effortless (instantly knowing whether someone is angry or sad from the look on her face, for example); and analytic thinking, which is slower and more deliberate (and used for solving math problems and other tricky tasks). Both kinds of thinking have their strengths and weaknesses, and they often seem to interfere with one another. "Recently there's been an emerging consensus among [researchers] … that a lot of religious beliefs are grounded in intuitive processes," says Will Gervais, a graduate student at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver, in Canada and a co-author of the new study, published today in Science.
501 | Tigger2005 Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:06:04am |
The Avengers movie should be cool. But I have to wonder, if Tony Stark has an outfit that gives him god-like powers, why doesn't he provide custom-made suits to Hawkeye and Black Widow? And even to Captain America?
And if you did a Marvel/DC crossover, how do you explain why billionaire Bruce Wayne can make a totally cool bat-suit, but it doesn't give him the ability to fly or shoot energy beams like Tony Stark's suit does?
I demand logic and consistency in my comic book universes!
502 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:11:37am |
re: #344 EdDantes
I am now in Bakersfield, ca. All services are fast and the people are polite. At 248 pm yesterday I called Bright house (cable and internet provider) for TV and high speed internet service. Both were installed by 418 pm. This would not happen in the San Fran bay area where I moved from.
I told my wife before the move to expect friendlier people. We were not disappointed.
On the down side, you're now in Bakersfield.
(I am the daughter of a man who escaped from Fresno to the Bay Area, so my take on these things is much skewed by family tradition. But if you guys are enjoying yourselves, is all good. Keep the AC on.)
503 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:18:30am |
re: #390 Dark_Falcon
Charles has had a rule covering their scope of their rule for many years. I'd ask why it took them so long to catch up, but I don't think I'd like the answer. The fact that they didn't warn Roberta Moore after the first time she said that. and then ban her after the second time speaks volumes.
BTW, Moore's nic, Morrigan Emaleth, is based on Moorigu, a Celtic war goddess who was supposed to be manifest wherever there was war. A perfect nic for a faux-tough wingnut.
I'm baffled as to why they think the Morrigan would consider what they do 'war'.
The 'Emaleth' part seems to be from an Anne Rice novel.
504 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:20:28am |
OK, had a flight, then slept a bit. Any fresh derp today?
505 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:23:09am |
re: #475 ProGunLiberal
Somebody found this on Something Awful. What story is it referring to?
"Always going on about climate change."
ROFL
But comparing Sarah Palin to Danaerys isn't flattering to either of them, frankly.
506 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:23:47am |
Oh yes.
[Link: www.gainesville.com...]
Dove World Outreach Center pastor Terry Jones on Saturday burned copies of the Quran and an image depicting Muhammad in front of his church to protest the imprisonment in Iran of a Christian clergyman.
Reminds me of Image: 18291168.jpg
507 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:25:20am |
re: #432 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
A very scary movie, don't blink...
[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]
too funny!
508 | Charles Johnson Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:29:15am |
Jeez, will you look at the Breitbrats clutching their pearls over Dan Savage today?
They're firing up the right wing virtual lynch mob.
509 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:32:01am |
re: #508 Charles Johnson
He's a big bully, you see, because when an adult insults another adult, we call that 'bullying'. Oh wait, no we don't.
I love how anyone who's even invited by the White House to come to an event becomes an advisor, czar, or their chief expert.
510 | bratwurst Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:38:00am |
Some think that Newt's long, obnoxious farewell may cost him a chance to speak at the convention this summer.
[Link: thehill.com...]
511 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Apr 29, 2012 10:57:46am |
off to brush the dogs.
Have a great one all!
512 | Digital Display Sun, Apr 29, 2012 11:02:51am |
So while it's a bit slow.I posted last night I had just the most awesome day yesterday at a Huge country BBQ in Oklahoma..Enough food to feed a small African nation and a bunch of sports fans watching basketball on the big screen..I was in heaven..So a few thoughts..
My eye caught the ex-college wrestler from OU..You always make a note at a big unfamiliar party.. Who in this room if a fight breaks out do you avoid? The wrestler dude.. It's funny, they always wear a Tee-shirt that is 2 sizes too small to show off the muscles..
The young bucks at the party were loud, opinionated and funny as hell...
Another moment that I won't forget..A bunch of us guys were sitting around smoking cigars and injuries came up..The soft spoken wrestler dude talked about his left ACL operation ( Like I said..The most dangerous man in the room ) and soon there was talk of dozens of injuries from everybody.. Each trying to outdo the other..I smiled..It was classic..
Lot's of dogs in the country..And it drove Winston freaking nuts when I got home..He would not stop sniffing me all night and it was pissing me off..
Do you realize how many marriages would be safe and secure if we had noses like a dog?