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Video: Rachel Maddow vs. Old Republican Guy

A study in condescension
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On Meet the Press today, Rachel Maddow faced off with an old white man (GOP strategist Alex Castellanos), in a perfect illustration of the reason the Republican Party is so unpopular with women and young people.

The obvious condescension is a mask for fear; people like Castellanos are terrified of women like Rachel Maddow.

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91 comments

1 Ghazicide  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:26:37pm

Wow. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

2 erik_t  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:27:11pm

The preview image for the video file is pretty much perfect. Mix of disbelief, disgust and sadness.

3 Kragarghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:28:25pm

Nothing illustrates the point better than a old guy constantly interrupting a woman to tell her what she should think.

4 Kragarghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:36:27pm

I also enjoyed how he made the attempt to distinguish between traditionally male occupations, ignoring the information which points to the salaries for women in those occupations.

5 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:36:34pm

He didn't compare apples to apples.

Do female engineers make less than their male counterparts?

Do female CEO's make less than their male counterparts?

etc.

6 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:36:43pm
7 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:37:35pm

In my mind 'bitch' is not a derogatory term.

It means you are a challenge.

8 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:37:43pm

re: #5 ggt

You are correct. He does not get it.

9 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:37:58pm

What an incredible condescending, dishonest jerk. Got me angry watching that. Damn.

10 erik_t  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:38:39pm

re: #6 Unlike Some People

CNN's Castellanos on Clinton as "white bitch": "[S]ome women, by the way, are named that and it's accurate"

It's really been pathetic to watch CNN attempt to pander to the Fox News demographic without really understanding how to do so. At this point, any given segment might be interchangeable, the only difference being whether the segment grew out of incompetence or malice.

11 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:39:04pm

re: #9 Eclectic Infidel

You and me. I did not watch the whole thing because I would end up throwing my computer at the wall.

12 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:39:09pm

I love how Rachel takes things to the lowest common demoninator --the essence of an argument. "This is a factual issue, this is a style issue . . ."

13 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:39:29pm

re: #6 Unlike Some People

CNN's Castellanos on Clinton as "white bitch": "[S]ome women, by the way, are named that and it's accurate"

His "white hands" commercial:

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[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

What a POS, in the vein of Lee Atwater (before his deathbed repudiation of his tactics).

14 Kragarghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:40:37pm

re: #7 ggt

In my mind 'bitch' is not a derogatory term.

It means you are a challenge.

I always think of it as a verb, and people who engage in that verb.

15 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:41:06pm

re: #14 Kragar

I always think of it as a verb, and people who engage in that verb.

noun -a female dog
verb-a complainer?

16 Kragarghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:42:03pm

re: #15 ggt

noun -a female dog
verb-a complainer?

incessant complaining

17 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:43:26pm

Rachel: "This is not a math is hard debate"
Dinosaur with a mustache: "Yes it is"

LOL!

18 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:44:01pm

re: #16 Kragar

incessant complaining

either one is usually used condenscending response to someone who doesn't want to communicate, but one who wants to win an argument.

When it is used against me, it is almost always by someone who doesn't want to think and is frustrated because I am trying to reach a meeting of the minds, and won't let them win.

19 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:44:33pm

That guy's smile is so creepy.

20 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:44:56pm

re: #19 Obdicut

That guy's smile is so creepy.

everything about him was creepy.

I sincerely get the impression that with these people, Rachel is by default, wrong because she is a Lesbian and a LIberal.

21 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:46:17pm

The obvious condescension is a mask for fear; people like Castellanos are terrified of women like Rachel Maddow.

22 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:46:48pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

The obvious condescension is a mask for fear; people like Castellanos are terrified of women like Rachel Maddow.

YES!!!, we have a winner.

23 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:48:52pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Rachel has a functioning brain; the guy interrupting her does not.

24 sagehen  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:55:12pm

If I were 20 years younger, and a lesbian, and she were single... I'd totally hit that.

On second thought, I wouldn't even have to be a lesbian. If I were 20 years younger and she were single, I'd make an exception from my actual orientation. A brain like that makes up for not having my preferred anatomy.

25 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:55:54pm

re: #24 sagehen

If I were 20 years younger, and a lesbian, and she were single... I'd totally hit that.

On second thought, I wouldn't even have to be a lesbian. If I were 20 years younger and she were single, I'd make an exception from my actual orientation. A brain like that makes up for not having my preferred anatomy.

Which is the point, right?

I was raised that Love has no Boundries.

26 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 1:57:23pm

have a great afternoon all!

27 TooManyJens  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:02:27pm

What an unctuous jackass. I was glad that she straight-up told him, "That's really condescending." Not that he took her words to heart in the slightest, because she's just a woman and needn't be taken seriously. People like that love women as long as we stay in our place and do what they want us to do, but if we dare come to a conclusion that differs from their view of how the world is supposed to be, the knives come out. We're not for thinking; we're not for having our own goals and interests; that's not our purpose.

28 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:04:55pm

I will give the jackoff credit for the facility with which he can pull facts out of his ass.

29 austin_blue  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:10:40pm

re: #28 Romantic Heretic

I will give the jackoff credit for the facility with which he can pull facts out of his ass.

Exactly. He pulls one sliver of one cherry-picked demographic and presents it as "So your entire point is wrong! It must be, because we found an exception!"

Stupid Flanders...

30 TooManyJens  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:15:40pm

The problem with the "men make more than women because men and women make different choices" argument is that it's much easier to make than it is to refute. The refutation is complicated. Yes, there are some simple cases of plain old wage discrimination, but there are also a lot of structural inequities that drive the "choices" men and women make. If a woman is married and has a child, she will almost certainly be largely responsible for the upbringing of that child, because we haven't nearly reached equity among parents in childrearing. So she probably won't be working as many hours. (And why is there the expectation that people will be working more than 40 hours, anyway? Fucking labor rights are shot to hell in this country.) You could say, "that's because of her decision to have a child," but is it really, when a man's choice to become a father doesn't have the same effect on his career? Or look at the grossly sexist atmosphere that drives a lot of women out of the tech industry. Again, you could say that it's women's choice not to be in that industry, but that choice is made in an unfair context. Lots of women's "choices" are influenced by shit that men don't have to put up with.

Now try explaining all this in between the interruptions of some preening asshole on cable news.

31 TooManyJens  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:21:23pm

re: #29 austin_blue

Exactly. He pulls one sliver of one cherry-picked demographic and presents it as "So your entire point is wrong! It must be, because we found an exception!"

I liked the "if you remove the marriage factor..." point he was starting in on. What the fuck? Most women over, IDK, 25 or so are married. They just don't get to have equality? Or maybe women just shouldn't get married, is that it? You just know this guy also calls himself "pro-family."

32 Ghazicide  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:23:30pm

re: #31 TooManyJens

I liked the "if you remove the marriage factor..." point he was starting in on. What the fuck? Most women over, IDK, 25 or so are married. They just don't get to have equality? Or maybe women just shouldn't get married, is that it? You just know this guy also calls himself "pro-family."

Women should shut up and make babies.

33 wrenchwench  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:27:30pm

re: #30 TooManyJens

Welcome, hatchling.

34 Kid Aghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:28:36pm

re: #24 sagehen

If I were 20 years younger, and a lesbian, and she were single... I'd totally hit that.

Well, I'm probably Maddow's age, and I will say that if Rachel was straight, I would walk through hell with a can of gasoline, barefoot on broken glass to get a chance to have sex with her. Her mind is so fucking sexy, the aftertalk would be stimulating.

35 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:31:12pm

This is freaking too much. Republicans, Romney, et al, are a bunch of psychopaths:

36 austin_blue  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:33:05pm

Great read from today's NYT:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

37 Kid Aghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:34:00pm

re: #35 Gus

That tweet is a joke, right? RIGHT??!!

38 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:34:06pm

re: #36 austin_blue

Great read from today's NYT:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Vote Republican!

//

39 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:34:22pm

re: #37 Everything in Its Right Place

That tweet is a joke, right? RIGHT??!!

Nope. Tis real.

40 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:34:59pm

Speaking of clueless, condescending, nasty old GOP men:

41 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:35:26pm

re: #37 Everything in Its Right Place

That tweet is a joke, right? RIGHT??!!

...

“[Romney’s] position on the bailout was exactly what President Obama followed,” Fehrnstrom said. “He said, ‘If you want to save the auto industry, just don’t write them a check. That will seal their doom. What they need to do is go through a managed bankruptcy process.’”

“Consider that the crown jewel,” Fehrnstrom said. “The only economic success that President Obama has had is because he followed Mitt Romney’s advice.”

42 Kid Aghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:36:43pm

re: #35 Gus

So what the fuck was this about?

IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.

Romney, you are a fucking tool.

43 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:37:53pm

re: #35 Gus

This is freaking too much. Republicans, Romney, et al, are a bunch of psychopaths:

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From the NYT article:

Vice President Biden reiterated the president’s bottom-line election-year pitch on Thursday: “Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive.” The opposite might be true, Biden said, if Mitt Romney had been president.

But top Romney adviser Eric Fehrnstrom is also giving credit to his candidate for the auto industry’s success. At a Saturday forum hosted by the Washington Post, Fehrnstrom said that Obama’s auto industry rescue was successful because it was exactly what Romney himself proposed.

“[Romney’s] position on the bailout was exactly what President Obama followed,” Fehrnstrom said. “He said, ‘If you want to save the auto industry, just don’t write them a check. That will seal their doom. What they need to do is go through a managed bankruptcy process.’”

“Consider that the crown jewel,” Fehrnstrom said. “The only economic success that President Obama has had is because he followed Mitt Romney’s advice.”

The Romney campaign has to have huge balls of granite to try to steal credit from the Obama administration carrying out the auto industry bailout...and the RWNJs will still have to hold their noses to pull the lever for him in the fall.

Quite a bit of chutzpah going on there...

44 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:38:27pm

re: #20 ggt

everything about him was creepy.

I sincerely get the impression that with these people, Rachel is by default, wrong because she is a Lesbian and a LIberal.

and a Rhodes Scholar. And in the media. Sacre bleu! The quadruple path of fear!

45 Kid Aghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:38:55pm
“[Romney’s] position on the bailout was exactly what President Obama followed,” Fehrnstrom said. “He said, ‘If you want to save the auto industry, just don’t write them a check. That will seal their doom. What they need to do is go through a managed bankruptcy process.’”

There was not a single private investor that was willing to put up their own capital into GM. Not one.

46 Lidane  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:40:16pm

re: #35 Gus

This is freaking too much. Republicans, Romney, et al, are a bunch of psychopaths:

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Wait -- Mitt "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" Romney wants to take credit for the auto bailout? Haha.

47 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:41:22pm

re: #46 Lidane

Wait -- Mitt "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" Romney wants to take credit for the auto bailout? Haha.

It's easy when you have an Etch-A-Sketch!

48 erik_t  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:41:45pm

re: #35 Gus

This is freaking too much. Republicans, Romney, et al, are a bunch of psychopaths:

The man is a model of efficiency. It's a slow process to flip-flop evolve your views. It's much more expeditious to just flat-out lie about your previous position.

49 Lidane  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:43:55pm

re: #45 Everything in Its Right Place

There was not a single private investor that was willing to put up their own capital into GM. Not one.

Facts have a liberal bias.

50 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:44:50pm

re: #30 TooManyJens

re: #30 TooManyJens

Hi Jen. I've never had kids and still make less than the dudes doing the same shit. Motherhood as an excuse is a LIE.

51 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:45:11pm

re: #45 Everything in Its Right Place

There was not a single private investor that was willing to put up their own capital into GM. Not one.

Hard to do a "managed bankruptcy" when everyone in rwmofo's vaunted private sector who would be able to sink money into it knows they'll either be out that money the moment they put it in (like the other debt holders) or the ROI wouldn't be large enough, fast enough for them; hence, the only viable investor in this situation WAS the federal government.

52 Lidane  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:46:04pm

re: #50 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Hi Jen. I've never had kids and still make less than the dudes doing the same shit. Motherhood as an excuse is a LIE.

Exactly. Motherhood might interrupt a woman's career path, but even women who haven't had kids and who have worked the entire time in their chosen field still make less than similarly qualified men at the same job.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:46:28pm

OK, for the second Sunday in a row, the guy who was supposed to call me for a phone interview about a part-time job has stood me up.

I'm planning to e-mail.

How would you phrase this? I'm still, actually, interested in the gig. But pretending that this isn't happening will make me look a little peculiar.

54 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:47:07pm

I'm so old I can remember when Alex Castellanos was sold to me as the "nice" "moderate" republican

55 Kid Aghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:47:55pm

For real, I was against the GM bailout as well as TARP because I thought (and still think) that it creates an environment where there are no consequences to your actions; you can just dial up your Congress and get a check when you fuck things up.

However, after a lot of reading and thinking about the GM bailout, I came to the conclusion that it was the right thing to do because if GM collapsed, it would have sent a chain reaction throughout the entire auto industry. Believe it or not, a lot (and I mean A LOT) of people do not realize that car companies don't manufacture every single item that goes into a car! GM designs and puts together the cars, but doesn't manufacture the tires, the brakes, the alternators, the batteries, the belts. There are millions of jobs that produce all that stuff, and of course with all those jobs comes a lot of buying power. Good grief, it would have been a nightmare if President Bush had not authorized it, I'll at least give the jackass credit for that.

56 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:48:35pm

re: #54 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I remember a time when Republicans were considered nice people too. Now is not one of those times.

57 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:48:40pm

re: #52 Lidane

Exactly. Motherhood might interrupt a woman's career path, but even women who haven't had kids and who have worked the entire time in their chosen field still make less than similarly qualified men at the same job.

worst things ever: "brogrammer"

58 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:48:51pm

re: #45 Everything in Its Right Place

There was not a single private investor that was willing to put up their own capital into GM. Not one.

Romney is counting on amnesia about how bad the credit crunch really was. The scary thing is this is a viable strategy because lot of people never really understood it to begin with. Add to that the confusion on differences between bankruptcy under chapters 7 and 11 and this is what you get, Romney rewriting history to take credit for everything good that came out of the auto bailout.

59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:50:26pm

re: #56 PhillyPretzel

I remember a time when Republicans were considered nice people too. Now is not one of those times.

I grew up in Washington, I remember republicans who were at least not evil

but I guess the GOP brand is this shit now, and will remain this

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:51:06pm

re: #56 PhillyPretzel

I remember a time when Republicans were considered nice people too. Now is not one of those times.

Some of the nicest people I know are Republicans. Most of them have developed permanent widening of the eyes as they stare at the state of the party, though.

61 Kid Aghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:51:40pm

Here's Romney on the rag about the GM bailout in the NY Times Op-Ed:

Your text to link...

62 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:51:53pm

re: #59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. I know.

63 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:51:59pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Some of the nicest people I know are Republicans. Most of them have developed permanent widening of the eyes as they stare at the state of the party, though.

Image: Deer_in_Headlights.340122251_std.gif

64 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:53:05pm
65 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:53:08pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, for the second Sunday in a row, the guy who was supposed to call me for a phone interview about a part-time job has stood me up.

I'm planning to e-mail.

How would you phrase this? I'm still, actually, interested in the gig. But pretending that this isn't happening will make me look a little peculiar.

Heeeey, did you forget me dude? Nah, don't do that one.

Hello, I understand that you are busy and weekends are time to spend with friends & fam, but we had an appt right? Right?

Good luck, that sucks when the employer is less on track than you.

66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:53:11pm

apparently Klout's offices are a great place to douse in gasoline and torch work due to the fact that they actively recruit "brogrammers"

67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:54:01pm

re: #62 PhillyPretzel

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. I know.

i was referring to office-holding ones in Seattle, not my nice uncle or whatever ;-)

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:54:33pm

re: #63 Gus

is that from the No One Knows video

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:54:46pm

re: #65 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Heeey, did you forget me dude? Nah, don't do that one.

Hello, I understand that you are busy and weekends are time to spend with friends & fam, but we had an appt right? Right?

Good luck, that sucks when the employer is less on track than you.

Well, the difficult part is that he apologized so nicely last time, and in the last exchange of mail he said "I'll call you at 2 PM on Sunday--famous last words."

So this is now embarassing for him, I'm sure, which means I need to be rather delicate in how I handle it on my end.

70 Gus  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 2:55:47pm

re: #68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

is that from the No One Knows video

Maybe? I've seen it before and just scooped it up from Google. Was looking for "deer in the headlights." Next up was the "1,000 yard stare" although that one was originally the "2,000 yard stare."

71 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:01:52pm

re: #52 Lidane

Exactly. Motherhood might interrupt a woman's career path, but even women who haven't had kids and who have worked the entire time in their chosen field still make less than similarly qualified men at the same job.

That's the crucial point that Alex deliberately missed. Also, to put the modern workforce even further in to perspective, the women are on average better educated. They've surpassed men not only in college enrollment but in the attainment of advanced degrees.

As more and more men do the stay at home thing now as a result of women's greater earning power in individual relationships, the continued disparity for the same work done should become more and more noticeable. Factoring in marriage doesn't really explain things anymore.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:02:48pm

re: #70 Gus

Maybe? I've seen it before and just scooped it up from Google. Was looking for "deer in the headlights." Next up was the "1,000 yard stare" although that one was originally the "2,000 yard stare."

I've seen that expression in pictures of child soldiers in Africa. It's uncanny on a grown man. In a little boy, it's...eeeeehhh.

73 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:03:23pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the difficult part is that he apologized so nicely last time, and in the last exchange of mail he said "I'll call you at 2 PM on Sunday--famous last words."

So this is now embarassing for him, I'm sure, which means I need to be rather delicate in how I handle it on my end.

I'm brainstorming.

Email that says "I'm still interested"

That's it.

74 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:04:33pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the difficult part is that he apologized so nicely last time, and in the last exchange of mail he said "I'll call you at 2 PM on Sunday--famous last words."

So this is now embarassing for him, I'm sure, which means I need to be rather delicate in how I handle it on my end.

Say "I'm sorry, I stepped out to go crossbow hunting and must have missed your call." This gives him an out and lets him know you go crossbow hunting.

75 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:05:41pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

Say "I'm sorry, I stepped out to go crossbow hunting and must have missed your call." This gives him an out and lets him know you go crossbow hunting.

For squirrel and rabbit...

76 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:07:43pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the difficult part is that he apologized so nicely last time, and in the last exchange of mail he said "I'll call you at 2 PM on Sunday--famous last words."

So this is now embarassing for him, I'm sure, which means I need to be rather delicate in how I handle it on my end.

With some careful phrasing, you could convey that you have your act together, and are not totally sure you want to work for an outfit that doesn't seem to have it's act together. Interviews work both ways.

77 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:08:11pm

re: #75 ArthurSlugworth

For squirrel and rabbit...

The wolverines kept trying to attack my cousins, what the heck would you do in a situation like that?

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:10:54pm

Is opening with "Third time's the charm?" too obnoxious?

79 Lidane  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:12:52pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

The obvious condescension is a mask for fear; people like Castellanos are terrified of women like Rachel Maddow.

They're terrified of anyone who is smarter and more competent than they are. Castellanos knows he's outmatched in a battle of wits with Rachel so he has to resort to being a sexist, condescending douche instead.

80 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:21:44pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, for the second Sunday in a row, the guy who was supposed to call me for a phone interview about a part-time job has stood me up.

I'm planning to e-mail.

How would you phrase this? I'm still, actually, interested in the gig. But pretending that this isn't happening will make me look a little peculiar.

My mother's take in letters after being ignored 2-3 times was opening it with:

"DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN. Now that I have your attention..."

81 blueraven  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:24:35pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the difficult part is that he apologized so nicely last time, and in the last exchange of mail he said "I'll call you at 2 PM on Sunday--famous last words."

So this is now embarassing for him, I'm sure, which means I need to be rather delicate in how I handle it on my end.

I usually handle these situation with a bit of sarc/empathy

I do hope everything is OK with you...no health emergency, or other unforeseen matter that required your immediate and full attention...

82 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:26:38pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

Is opening with "Third time's the charm?" too obnoxious?

Try: "I'll be out then, can I have a number where I can reach you at 3:00?"

Stephen Potter Rules.

83 TooManyJens  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:39:10pm

re: #50 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Hi Jen. I've never had kids and still make less than the dudes doing the same shit. Motherhood as an excuse is a LIE.

Oh, I believe you. I'm just saying, there are lots of complicated factors behind the simplistic stats they like to cite, which lets people like Castellanos get away with doing the Gish Gallop.

84 Mattand  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 3:56:38pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Some of the nicest people I know are Republicans. Most of them have developed permanent widening of the eyes as they stare at the state of the party, though.

My experience is the opposite, in that while the Republicans I know are nice, the mental gymnastics they use to ignore/justify the current GOP lunacy is simply staggering.

85 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:49:58pm

re: #84 mattand

My experience is the opposite, in that while the Republicans I know are nice, the mental gymnastics they use to ignore/justify the current GOP lunacy is simply staggering.

anyone can be "nice" to your face and still condone evil

isn't that how cars are sold? The salesmen are always "nice"

86 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 4:53:02pm

re: #85 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

anyone can be "nice" to your face and still condone evil

isn't that how cars are sold? The salesmen are always "nice"

Salespeople are always 'nice' when they're selling. The honest ones, like me, are the ones who'll tell you the truth about what the product does and if you really need it.

87 William of Orange  Sun, Apr 29, 2012 6:49:14pm

Funvideo of the day!

This is how athiests deal with Islamic demonstrators. Aussie style!

88 benf_dc  Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:33:15am

Great Diane Rehm segment today on the Violence Against Women Act. There have been a number of shows recently where Rehm and her other guests have just let the Republican talking head go on unchallenged. While not completely over-the-top (Phyllis Schlafly’s performance last month was one for the ages), Charlotte Hays did reveal a great deal of the Republican mindset: these issues are more appropriately dealt with at the local level; rape is now too broadly defined; protective orders can be too easy to obtain; heightened focus on highly-vulnerable communities (foreign domestic workers, Native American women, et al.) is problematic; and on and on.

89 Funky_Gibbon  Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:53:50pm

It takes a brave (and stupid) man to be condescending to Rachel Maddow.

90 Funky_Gibbon  Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:57:51pm

re: #47 Gus

It's easy when you have an Etch-A-Sketch!

What he needs is one of those things from the Men In Black movies that everyone else forget what he said.

91 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Apr 30, 2012 2:52:42pm

I absolutely LOVE Rachel Maddow. She's so classy and smart. I give her cudos for speaking out against the Republican war on women.

Go on, Girl!!


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