Video: Rachel Maddow Destroys the Right Wing Myth That Women Don’t Get Paid Less
Exhaustively laying out the case that women are paid less than men for the same work
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Apr 30, 2012 10:51:56pm |
The video the other day of her being condescended to, and lied to by the plump grinning GOP shill no doubt prompted this.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Mon, Apr 30, 2012 10:55:39pm |
Yeah, she put together a fantastic refutation of Castellano's claims which hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of penetrating The Bubble.
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Targetpractice Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:02:02pm |
And to think, had the GOP just left it at the compromise, taken their "victory" and called it a day, they might have succeeded in salvaging something of their reputation amongst women voters.
Instead, it's just turtles all the way down between now and November.
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freetoken Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:02:28pm |
OT, except for it's another emerging right wing myth, a WaPo blog tries to set the idiots correct:
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:03:19pm |
re: #5 freetoken
OT, except for it's another emerging right wing myth, a WaPo blog tries to set the idiots correct:
Free.. my first time back in months and you have to explode my head?
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freetoken Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:04:59pm |
re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote
Free.. my first time back in months and you have to explode my head?
My speciality.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:05:13pm |
re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote
Free.. my first time back in months and you have to explode my head?
Smooch!And another Smooch!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:09:44pm |
re: #7 freetoken
My speciality.
Here are some comments from that page, illustrating the nature of the right in all of its glory:
First a huffy wingnut decides to lecture on things he knows nothing of at all.
esbo
Wind farms do cause global warming because they slow down the air currents which cool the earth.
Try sticking some windmills in your air conditioning ducts and you will notice they will not work as well.
The article itself has so much poor science in it it is not worth bothering with, there is little mixing, and night effect is cancelled by the day effect
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lauren2010
4/30/2012 9:42 PM EDT
Let me guess. You are not a scientist, are you?
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Followed by a true melange of almost everything wrong with America.
esbo
4/30/2012 9:55 PM EDT
I will tell you one thing, I am right, a scientist is just a tag people give themselves. I deal in facts and I am right. I actually have a degree in electronics with grades B in the qualifying subjects of maths physics ad chemistry ( from a crap (state) school.
Let me guess, you are a woman? (lol), well nothing wrong with that except you are a stupid woman, as bad as a stupid man (I'm not sexist).
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:09:55pm |
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Kragarghazi Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:09:58pm |
The wingnut solution to global warming: Keep your freezer door open.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:11:59pm |
re: #11 Kragar
The wingnut solution to global warming: Keep your freezer door open.
Clever on many fronts... including forgetting the hot back of the freezer and the footprint made by running it.
Why is it that rightwingers have so much difficulty with energy conservation?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:15:11pm |
re: #12 LudwigVanQuixote
Make an effort. Turn the lights off when you leave the room. The water heater when you go on vacation, it's not hard!
Kiss LVQ when you can!
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Targetpractice Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:15:37pm |
re: #12 LudwigVanQuixote
Clever on many fronts... including forgetting the hot back of the freezer and the footprint made by running it.
Why is it that rightwingers have so much difficulty with energy conservation?
That's what always gets me about it, they bitch up a storm about the focus on conservation and "green" energy, except when they get their electricity bill and find out that that new "energy-efficient" freezer is saving them a bundle.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:16:05pm |
And with that... I must to bed. Much work tomorrow.
It was nice to see people here again. I hope to be back soon. If I get stuck in another work hole, I still think about you guys and miss you.
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abolitionist Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:16:37pm |
re: #12 LudwigVanQuixote
Clever on many fronts... including forgetting the hot back of the freezer and the footprint made by running it.
Why is it that rightwingers have so much difficulty with energy conservation?
Because there's math involved?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:17:26pm |
re: #13 Dancing along the light of day
Make an effort. Turn the lights off when you leave the room. The water heater when you go on vacation, it's not hard!
Kiss LVQ when you can!
How shall I kiss myself? But thank you. You've always been a sweety.
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Lidanghazi Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:17:40pm |
re: #12 LudwigVanQuixote
Why is it that rightwingers have so much difficulty with the 20th and 21st Centuries?
FTFY
Also, good to see you again, LVQ.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:18:02pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:18:12pm |
re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote
Softly, as I would, if I could. Your lady can do it for me!
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dragonath Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:22:31pm |
re: #16 abolitionist
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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Kragarghazi Mon, Apr 30, 2012 11:24:51pm |
re: #21 Be Zorch, Daddio
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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freetoken Tue, May 1, 2012 2:12:40am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 2:25:07am |
re: #25 freetoken
You should find time and post your Jesus stuff in several parts.
I've been reading the second response by Carrier and am convinced that Ehrman has not been playing with a full deck in his book and the responses. Not because of some natural deceitfulness, but apparently because he's too defensive/jealous in relation to this field and emotions take the upper hand. Seen this before.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 2:31:02am |
Happy Workers' Day, comrades!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 2:34:58am |
Factory owner! Be fat and proud!
Hit the proletarian in his boorish snout!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 2:40:43am |
re: #29 I'm a Mavrik!
Woman! Stop hanging around the factory!
Prostitution pays more and is more satisfactory!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 2:45:01am |
re: #30 I'm a Mavrik!
Wielding a shovel is not our way!
Simple theft pays more anyway.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 2:51:44am |
re: #32 I'm a Mavrik!
Watching striptease while munching on lobsters.
I'm one of those lucky stock market brokers.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 2:55:05am |
re: #33 I'm a Mavrik!
Some bozos are lying in the dirt.
Don't lie together with them, it might hurt.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 2:56:49am |
re: #34 I'm a Mavrik!
Aristocrat in his Lincoln rides full of hope.
And you, proletarian, go piss up a rope.
/Fin.
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freetoken Tue, May 1, 2012 3:01:24am |
re: #26 I'm a Mavrik!
I've been reading the second response by Carrier and am convinced that Ehrman has not been playing with a full deck in his book and the responses.
IMO Ehrman has fallen into a trap, of trying to be a popular writer covering what is essentially a subject with so many technical issues that without a background in the subject a reader couldn't understand a real discussion of the issue.
This happens in all sorts of fields - it's the most common problem in describing climate change to the masses; same with other contentious technical issues.
Ehrman relies so much on arguments from authority that the book as little meat. Only Hoffman, who has taken Ehrman's side in this, is coming off as more... uppity, if I may use that term.
I don't have anything really to offer - certainly in Ehrman's and Hoffman's eyes I'm not qualified to comment on the subject. Yet I can discern logically poor arguments rather directly (as anyone could if they simply look at what is on offer rather than wanting to see something else.)
Ultimately this field suffers from a lack of new empirical data.
There just hasn't been enough 1st century discoveries to help settle some matters. The DSS help set the stage for some of Judea in the period, but that is understandably only a slice of the society at that time, one that no doubt fits into the picture but can also skew our results.
What is needed is discovery of Roman records from Palestine from the first century, to get a better understanding of the population's beliefs.
The destruction of 68 to 73AD reset that society, and frankly reset ours too. My contention is that we would not "Christianity" as we know it without the Romans destroying the Jewish society at that time.
Unfortunately part of the destruction appears to have erased many records.
And, given that Palestine was a bit of the boondocks as far as the Roman empire was concerned not too many Roman writers were really concerned with it.
And, given how little non-religious writing appears to have been done by the Jews of that period, I suspect the likelihood of us discovering something new from the Jewish perspective of that era is very low.
Remaining archeology to be done is in Syria and Lebanon, where Christianity took root after the fall of Jerusalem. Unfortunately those two countries have in these days been not open to the extensive archeological research that is needed, for obvious political records.
Egyptian sands alway seem to spill forth some old papyri now and then, but I suspect that a great deal gets destroyed or end up in private hands who simply don't want to share to the public. An amazing amount of antiquities lie behind lock doors.
So Ehrman can keep writing his popular fluff, and his publisher will make sure it gets enough airing to sells enough books.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 4:01:55am |
re: #35 May Day! May Day!
In case anyone wonders, this is a satirical inversion of the early Bolshevik agitprop - [Link: ru.wikipedia.org...]
It's a bit funnier when you know the original.
It does capture some of the Tea Party spirit ;)
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Obdicut Tue, May 1, 2012 4:04:15am |
Plus side: I have an interview for a new job that sounds hella intriguing.
Donwside: The interview is at 8 PM on Thursday, and lasts two hours. I better brush up on the long version of things.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, May 1, 2012 4:25:11am |
re: #12 LudwigVanQuixote
Clever on many fronts... including forgetting the hot back of the freezer and the footprint made by running it.
Why is it that rightwingers have so much difficulty with energy conservation?
Because the back areas and downstairs are the realm of the servants?
As long as the meals are on time, the fires are lit, and the port brought after the bell is rung all is right with the world, is it not?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, May 1, 2012 4:32:35am |
re: #38 May Day! May Day!
In case anyone wonders, this is a satirical inversion of the early Bolshevik agitprop - [Link: ru.wikipedia.org...]
It's a bit funnier when you know the original.
It does capture some of the Tea Party spirit ;)
Interesting none the less.
1. Artistic color use - very effective use of just black and red.
2. Little details - noting what currencies are being displayed. A thief wearing a cell phone on his belt, etc.
Do the captions rhyme in Russian? The English translations you provided do, or come close, in most of them.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, May 1, 2012 4:35:04am |
Good morning Lizards from rainy and sorta quiet Philadelphia.
Holiday at the plants in Brazil and Germany, so it will probably be a fairly quiet work day. So I can play catch up with various tasks and do some planning.
With the projects winding down there is now a lot of excess equipment on the leased project floor to be collected and then stored somewhere. Phones, monitors, etc. And not a lot of time to get it moved.
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dragonfire1981 Tue, May 1, 2012 4:46:59am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 4:49:39am |
re: #42 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Yeah, they rhyme. The translations are mostly close, esp. the first ones.
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dragonfire1981 Tue, May 1, 2012 4:51:09am |
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 1, 2012 5:20:55am |
Very sad headline,
Number of US newborns with drug withdrawal triples
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I thought FAS was bad, hopefully the kids won't have long term consequences, but I think the odds are against them.
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Sionainn Tue, May 1, 2012 5:23:15am |
re: #47 Tommy's cone of shame
Very sad headline,
Number of US newborns with drug withdrawal triples
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I thought FAS was bad, hopefully the kids won't have long term consequences, but I think the odds are against them.
A friend of mine and her husband currently have custody of her husband's 3-month-old grandchild. He was born drug addicted and is still being weaned off the crap that his mother took. It's very sad...
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 1, 2012 5:26:12am |
re: #48 Sionainn
Addiction is a tough thing. Last Friday was my three year sobriety date. I remember when I was given an ultimatum, get help or get out. I actually considered living in my car.
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ghazidor Tue, May 1, 2012 5:29:52am |
Overpass where a minivan flew off killing seven described as having a "two foot curb" and a "Four foot fence" in the articles on the crash...
[Link: usnews.msnbc.msn.com...]
When the fence is about even with the height of the curb because of the lowered walkway I don't see it as being much of an obstacle to a car leaving the roadway, do you?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 1, 2012 5:30:04am |
Hey all!
I awoke in bed this morning and all three dogs were sitting in close proximity staring down at my face.
I swear, it was like War of the Worlds.
How is your morining?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 1, 2012 5:32:05am |
re: #52 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Overpass where a minivan flew off killing seven described as having a "two foot curb" and a "Four foot fence" in the articles on the crash...
[Link: usnews.msnbc.msn.com...]
When the fence is about even with the height of the curb because of the lowered walkway I don't see it as being much of an obstacle to a car leaving the roadway, do you?
looks like the whole "top" of that mini-van just broke off.
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 1, 2012 5:32:16am |
re: #52 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Some more info:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
New York also has issues with vehicles vaulting off of bridges due to snowbanks.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 1, 2012 5:32:35am |
re: #49 Tommy's cone of shame
Addiction is a tough thing. Last Friday was my three year sobriety date. I remember when I was given an ultimatum, get help or get out. I actually considered living in my car.
Congratulations! Keep Coming Back!
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Eventual Carrion Tue, May 1, 2012 5:39:32am |
re: #9 LudwigVanQuixote
Here are some comments from that page, illustrating the nature of the right in all of its glory:
First a huffy wingnut decides to lecture on things he knows nothing of at all.
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A sane person replies...
Followed by a true melange of almost everything wrong with America.
[snip]
Let me guess, you are a woman? (lol), well nothing wrong with that except you are a stupid woman, as bad as a stupid man (I'm not sexist).
Well he says he is not a sexist so I guess I will give him the benefit of the doubt, but from what he wrote I would say he is a fucking idiot. Guess that is something.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 1, 2012 5:41:06am |
WHY are political and religious figures who campaign against gay rights so often implicated in sexual encounters with same-sex partners?
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In recent years, Ted Haggard, an evangelical leader who preached that homosexuality was a sin, resigned after a scandal involving a former male prostitute; Larry Craig, a United States senator who opposed including sexual orientation in hate-crime legislation, was arrested on suspicion of lewd conduct in a men’s bathroom; and Glenn Murphy Jr., a leader of the Young Republican National Convention and an opponent of same-sex marriage, pleaded guilty to a lesser charge after being accused of sexually assaulting another man.One theory is that homosexual urges, when repressed out of shame or fear, can be expressed as homophobia. Freud famously called this process a “reaction formation” — the angry battle against the outward symbol of feelings that are inwardly being stifled. Even Mr. Haggard seemed to endorse this idea when, apologizing after his scandal for his anti-gay rhetoric, he said, “I think I was partially so vehement because of my own war.”
It’s a compelling theory — and now there is scientific reason to believe it.
Yep! Like I've always said about these guys: "I think the lady doth protest too much."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 1, 2012 5:52:23am |
Ya Think?
Rupert Murdoch 'not a fit person' to lead News Corp - MPs
The MPs were "misled repeatedly", says chairman John WhittingdaleContinue
Rupert Murdoch "is not a fit person to exercise the stewardship of a major international company", MPs have said.The culture committee questioned journalists and bosses at the now-closed News of the World, as well as police and lawyers for hacking victims.
Its report has concluded that Mr Murdoch exhibited "wilful blindness" to what was going on in News Corporation.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 1, 2012 5:56:16am |
re: #58 ggt
Yep! Like I've always said about these guys: "I think the lady doth protest too much."
It's one of those things that's intuitively obvious, but hard to really nail down and quantify.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, May 1, 2012 6:00:18am |
re: #53 ggt
Hey all!
I awoke in bed this morning and all three dogs were sitting in close proximity staring down at my face.
I swear, it was like War of the Worlds.
How is your morining?
Drizzly and the Feline Overlord appears to be ailing today.
When I got up he crawled under the warm blanket and went to sleep. I am going to have to go check on him at lunch time. That's not his normal somewhat energetic morning "wake-up, get up, give me food" routine.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 1, 2012 6:01:22am |
re: #61 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Drizzly and the Feline Overlord appears to be ailing today.
When I got up he crawled under the warm blanket and went to sleep. I am going to have to go check on him at lunch time. That's not his normal somewhat energetic morning "wake-up, get up, give me food" routine.
ooooh, hopefully it is just a minor upset tummy.
look for hairball under said blanket.
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kirghazi Tue, May 1, 2012 6:01:38am |
re: #59 ggt
Ya Think?
heh. "Party line vote." Which means less given their multi-party parliament. Oh, look, in fact: Everybody BUT the conservative party voted for the clause.
This could be major in a number of ways.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 1, 2012 6:02:04am |
re: #61 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Drizzly and the Feline Overlord appears to be ailing today.
When I got up he crawled under the warm blanket and went to sleep. I am going to have to go check on him at lunch time. That's not his normal somewhat energetic morning "wake-up, get up, give me food" routine.
Poor Feline Overlord. I hope he's okay.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, May 1, 2012 6:03:55am |
re: #62 ggt
oooh, hopefully it is just a minor upset tummy.
look for hairball under said blanket.
That's a possibility. And better than something more serious.
Might be a good day to crack open a can of tuna for him. A little tuna water and then the fish might help. He generally likes eating it and he has not had a can in a few weeks.
If he is still snoozing under the blanket and acting lethargic it might be a vet visit. Had another cat acting somewhat like that and he turned out to be seriously clogged up.
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iossarian Tue, May 1, 2012 6:08:22am |
re: #63 kirkspencer
heh. "Party line vote." Which means less given their multi-party parliament. Oh, look, in fact: Everybody BUT the conservative party voted for the clause.
This could be major in a number of ways.
Louise Mensch can fuck off. Classic "women's lib went far enough for me to succeed, so I'm going to pull the ladder up behind me now if you don't mind" conservative lackey.
See also: blonde Faux News bimbo who was rabidly against maternity leave until she got pregnant, and then suddenly it was just the right thing to do, you know?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 1, 2012 6:08:26am |
Speaking of warm blankets. I think I may have to return to mine.
Got up early because of headache, now am tired again.
Have a great morning all!
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JRCMYP Tue, May 1, 2012 6:14:16am |
Rachel Maddow is brilliant. And I love that she called him out on his condescending shit. Bravo Rachel. I mean, could he have been more an example of what's still wrong with gender relations in this country?? I'm surprised he didn't give her a cool cloth for her forehead and told her not to get too worked up or she'd faint.
And I have to agree with her. I had no idea that Republicans didn't believe that women made less than men for each dollar earned. I was shocked to hear him say that, essentially, women earn less because they don't want to work hard enough or go into the jobs that require the big brains. Holy hell. Really? What a flaming asshole.
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Lidanghazi Tue, May 1, 2012 6:16:18am |
re: #67 ggt
I wish I could return to mine. This is crunch week for me. My project partner and I have to put together a presentation for Friday. On top of that, we've got our final presentation to our client next week. And graduation is on May 12th. Lots to do in the next few days. Sleep's going to be a foreign concept for a while.
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lawhawk Tue, May 1, 2012 6:25:00am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Happy May Day everyone. All those April showers that the NYC metro didn't get, we're getting now. So, thus far there's no OWS to be seen. No camera crews around the WTC on the northern side (where most commuters are btw). Maybe the rain and wind are delaying the actions until the noontime hour and into the evening rush hour. In any event, if there's action to be had/found, I'll see about covering it in person.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, May 1, 2012 6:34:06am |
re: #70 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Happy May Day everyone. All those April showers that the NYC metro didn't get, we're getting now. So, thus far there's no OWS to be seen. No camera crews around the WTC on the northern side (where most commuters are btw). Maybe the rain and wind are delaying the actions until the noontime hour and into the evening rush hour. In any event, if there's action to be had/found, I'll see about covering it in person.
And greetings to you from the west coast. The news is full of street closures etc for the May Day demonstrations. Downtown LA will be a mess if the protesters have their way. And yes, I'll bring my 7D with me to work. Many of the jewelers with street facing booths or stores are going to remain closed. Surely a day where my patience for partisans will be tested.
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Stephen T. Tue, May 1, 2012 6:38:14am |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 1, 2012 6:39:19am |
re: #71 Daniel Ballard
And greetings to you from the west coast. The news is full of street closures etc for the May Day demonstrations. Downtown LA will be a mess if the protesters have their way. And yes, I'll bring my 7D with me to work. Many of the jewelers with street facing booths or stores are going to remain closed. Surely a day where my patience for partisans will be tested.
Some May Day protesters have already started vandalizing SF.
Vandalizing protesters go on rampage in SF's Mission District
SAN FRANCISCO — Police in riot gear were on alert outside the Mission District station Monday night after a rowdy group of protesters splattered the station entrance with paint and smashed windows with crowbars.
A group of approximately 50 protesters, many of them dressed in black, targeted the station with the attack at around 9:15 p.m., Sgt. Daryl Fong said. Vandals wielding crowbars smashed windows and threw paint at the station, located in the 600 block of Valencia Street, according to police.
After initially focusing on the station, the group moved down Valencia Street smashing car windshields and windows to nearby businesses. A BMW SUV was reportedly be lit on fire with a flare, causing extensive damage to the vehicle.
No information regarding possible detentions or arrests was immediately available.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, May 1, 2012 6:39:20am |
re: #70 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Happy May Day everyone. All those April showers that the NYC metro didn't get, we're getting now. So, thus far there's no OWS to be seen. No camera crews around the WTC on the northern side (where most commuters are btw). Maybe the rain and wind are delaying the actions until the noontime hour and into the evening rush hour. In any event, if there's action to be had/found, I'll see about covering it in person.
Looks like the Philadelphia thing today is a rally in West Philly, not Center City for noon today. And that doesn't look like OWS, but more likely an umbrella of protests collecting in a single spot. Worker and social justice oriented with all the "power to the people" trappings from the one web-site I saw.
I might saunter past City Hall at lunch in any case to see if there is anything going on though.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 1, 2012 6:47:37am |
White powder envelopes close NYC bank branches
Four of the mailed envelopes contained an identical note, which included the language "Happy May Day," the spokesman said.
The incident comes on the eve of a planned day of protests organized by the Occupy Wall Street movement and labor groups across the country. According to a website called maydaynyc.org, demonstrations are planned in New York City against "the corporations who rule our city."
Ed Needham, a member of Occupy Wall Street's New York media team, said he had found no connection between the incident and his movement. "It doesn't sound like something that we would do," he said.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 1, 2012 6:48:52am |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
WTF is wrong with these people? Is this supposed to help gain support for their cause?
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 1, 2012 6:50:39am |
re: #76 NJDhockeyfan
WTF is wrong with these people? Is this supposed to help gain support for their cause?
It's always hard to tell what they think they're going to accomplish with this shit.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 1, 2012 6:51:37am |
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
A city official said two of the letters sent to banks read in part: “This is a reminder that you are not in control. Just in case you needed some incentive to stop working. We have a little surprise for you. Think fast.” They ended with, “Happy May Day.”
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Lidanghazi Tue, May 1, 2012 6:54:11am |
Austin doesn't look like it's going to have anything close to the massive stuff going on in CA. The only explicit Occupy-endorsed anything is a rally against foreclosures this morning. The rest seems to be tied up in International Worker's Day itself, since there's some sort of picnic this afternoon, then a march from the UT campus to the state capitol, then some events downtown.
If their FB events pages are anything to go by, turnout won't be anything huge. There will be some folks there, of course, but my guess is that most people will be focused on work and/or school instead.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 1, 2012 6:54:29am |
Students to Leave Class to Conduct Occupy-Style Event
Students from Sequoia High School and Woodside High School are planning to leave school during their lunch hour today for a student strike against the 1 percent.
They will convene at Red Morton Park for a picnic and afternoon of speaking out, information sharing and free education. Occupy Redwood City will be on hand to assist them with literature and statistics.
“It’s really important that they start being politically active,” said James Lee of Occupy Redwood City. “[These students] are 18 or going to be 18, so they’re the next generation of voters.”
For extra credit they will be taught how to bust up windows and shit in bank hallways.
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Gus Tue, May 1, 2012 6:54:39am |
I bring to you! Drumroll please...
. @CBSNews John Miller: 5 "self proclaimed anarchists" arrested in FBI sting. Theyre charged w plotting to blow up bridge in Cleveland area.— CBS Radio News (@CBSRadioNews) May 1, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 1, 2012 6:55:19am |
re: #82 Gus
I bring to you! Drumroll please...
5 "self proclaimed anarchists" arrested in FBI sting. Theyre charged w plotting to blow up bridge in Cleveland area.
[Embedded content]
Holy shit!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 1, 2012 6:58:31am |
re: #85 Gus
Yeah. Just saw that.
Five 'anarchists' arrested for attempting to blow up Ohio bridge
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Five individuals described by authorities as anarchists were arrested Monday for allegedly attempting to blow up a bridge in the Cleveland area, FOX News Channel reported.
According to sources, the FBI and the federal Joint Terrorism Task Force are involved in the investigation.
It is unknown if the bridge incident was connected to Occupy Wall Street's plans for nationwide protests Tuesday.
A press conference is scheduled at 10:00am.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 1, 2012 6:59:56am |
It's not like certain right-wingers aren't ready to lie at any opportunity, so who knows? Case in point:
Anyone else notice that @Lizardoid's friend & Holocaust revisionist Sergey Romanov doesn't post at #LGF with his real name any more?— BRC_807 (@Gus_807) April 28, 2012
@Lizardoid Calling this co-author (me) of a 500+pp anti-denial bk a denier = good example of #LGF stalker lies. lgf.bz/sgY4GH— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) May 1, 2012
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Gus Tue, May 1, 2012 6:59:57am |
re: #86 NJDhockeyfan
Five 'anarchists' arrested for attempting to blow up Ohio bridge
That's some crazy shit right there.
Now I really wish I was on some Caribbean island.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 1, 2012 7:01:30am |
re: #88 Gus
That's some crazy shit right there.
Now I really wish I was on some Caribbean island.
I hope it's the only one.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 1, 2012 7:02:46am |
re: #88 Gus
That's some crazy shit right there.
Now I really wish I was on some Caribbean island.
More info:
(CBS News) Five "self-proclaimed anarchists" have been arrested after a months-long sting operation, charged with plotting to blow up a bridge in the Cleveland area, the FBI announced today.
CBS News senior correspondent John Miller reports the group had been involved in a series of escalating plots that ended with their arrest last night by FBI agents.
The sting operation supplied the anarchists with what they thought were "explosives" and bomb-making materials.
At no time during the case was the public in danger, the FBI said.
According to law enforcement sources, the five were not connected to international terrorism.
"The initial plot involved the use of smoke grenades to distract law enforcement in order for the co-conspirators to topple financial institution signs atop high rise buildings in downtown Cleveland," according to the complaint.
The FBI says the accused over the course of several months discussed various targets in and around the Cleveland, Ohio metropolitan area over the course of several months, with the Route 82 Brecksville-Northfield High Level Bridge being selected as the target. The bridge crosses over Cuyahoga Valley National Park from Brecksville to Sagamore Hills.
The defendants then conspired to obtain C-4 explosives, contained in two improvised explosive devices (IEDs), to be remotely detonated.
"The individuals charged in this plot were intent on using violence to express their ideological views," said FBI Special Agent Stephen D. Anthony.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 1, 2012 7:04:07am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 1, 2012 7:05:11am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 1, 2012 7:07:18am |
"The initial plot involved the use of smoke grenades to distract law enforcement in order for the co-conspirators to topple financial institution signs atop high rise buildings in downtown Cleveland,"
I liked them better when they were sitting around parks, repeating phrases and twinkling their fingers!
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 1, 2012 7:08:02am |
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Gus Tue, May 1, 2012 7:09:34am |
re: #91 Killgore Trout
Entrapment! False flag!
/
Thought you would be interested in that report. Stupid anarchists. Of course it's more than stupid here.
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Eventual Carrion Tue, May 1, 2012 7:10:47am |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
It's always hard to tell what they think they're going to accomplish with this shit.
Maybe to discredit the movement. You know, like a repub voting for the worst dem candidate in an open primary.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 1, 2012 7:11:11am |
re: #95 Gus
Thought you would be interested in that report. Stupid anarchists. Of course it's more than stupid here.
Anarchists are pretty harmless until they get organized.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 1, 2012 7:11:54am |
re: #98 Killgore Trout
Anarchists are pretty harmless until they get
organized.bomb-making materials
ftfy
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Sionainn Tue, May 1, 2012 7:12:35am |
re: #49 Tommy's cone of shame
Addiction is a tough thing. Last Friday was my three year sobriety date. I remember when I was given an ultimatum, get help or get out. I actually considered living in my car.
Yes, it's rough. I've had my battles with the bottle.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 1, 2012 7:13:35am |
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 1, 2012 7:14:47am |
I haven't even finished my first coffee and already two terrorist plots for May Day. I'm getting that sinking feeling.
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prairiefire Tue, May 1, 2012 7:15:45am |
The PayDay Lenders in Missouri are trying to deter the petition work to get a cap on PayDay loans on the ballot. They are too late, as we will hit the 36,000 signature mark for the 6th district by Thursday. We are the last district to get the sigs to submit the ballot initiative to the Sec. Of State. PayDay lenders make $700 on a $300 loan in Missouri.
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Interesting Times in Benghazi Tue, May 1, 2012 7:15:52am |
Science! ;)
True story. #p2 #tfy twitter.com/AngryBlackLady...— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) May 1, 2012
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 1, 2012 7:16:42am |
re: #102 Killgore Trout
I haven't even finished my first coffee and already two terrorist plots for May Day. I'm getting that sinking feeling.
NYC banks got white powder envelopes
"This is a reminder that you are not in control," said a message that arrived with the envelopes. "Just in case you needed some incentive to stop working we have a little surprise for you. Think fast you have seconds."
Not exactly a Having "A Great Time,, Wish You Were Here" type greeting
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CuriousLurker Tue, May 1, 2012 7:18:19am |
Drive-by - new wingnut outrage/conspiracy alert:
Coroner Investigating Breitbart Death Dies From Possible Arsenic Poisoning beforeitsnews.com/story/2076/596/
— AZ Dreamer (@tasteofaz) April 30, 2012
Gotta run. Later.
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Sionainn Tue, May 1, 2012 7:19:15am |
re: #101 sattv4u2
One Day At a Time!
Having children pretty much did it for me. I realized that there was no way in hell I could properly raise children if I was drunk. Also, because of their genetic luck of the draw, I want them to be raised knowing that alcohol is not a good idea for them.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 1, 2012 7:19:51am |
Law enforcement has its hands full.
NYPD Visits Activists' Homes For A Little Pre-May Day Interrogation
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Eventual Carrion Tue, May 1, 2012 7:20:52am |
re: #81 NJDhockeyfan
Students to Leave Class to Conduct Occupy-Style Event
For extra credit they will be taught how to bust up windows and shit in bank hallways.
Better than teaching them to shoot people and plant bombs on parade routes.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 1, 2012 7:21:46am |
re: #107 Sionainn
Having children pretty much did it for me. I realized that there was no way in hell I could properly raise children if I was drunk. Also, because of their genetic luck of the draw, I want them to be raised knowing that alcohol is not a good idea for them.
Wonderful
We never knew dad drank till he came home one night sober!! (half /)
He hit bottom and (like #49 above) was given a last ultimatum from the family!
That was 24 years ago. He hasn't had a drop since
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, May 1, 2012 7:21:57am |
re: #109 RayFerd
Better than teaching them to shoot people and plant bombs on parade routes.
I was kind of hoping for calculus, constructing a decent sentence, or home ec or shop.
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Gus Tue, May 1, 2012 7:23:05am |
Significantly larger numbers at NewsCorp building, 51st St and 6th Ave. #M1NYC #OWS twitter.com/CSMuncyPhoto/s...— C.S. Muncy (@CSMuncyPhoto) May 1, 2012
It's not all bad news of course.
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lawhawk Tue, May 1, 2012 7:24:20am |
re: #87 May Day! May Day!
And you are posting with your real name. Hover over your nom du jour, and sure enough Sergey Romanov appears. Funny how that works.
Not just a lie, but a bad one at that.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 1, 2012 7:25:38am |
re: #112 Gus
[Embedded content] It's not all bad news of course.
Unless you were one of those shop or car owners in San Fran!
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
a roving band of "anarchists" smashing car windows and store fronts in San Francisco's Mission District.
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Sionainn Tue, May 1, 2012 7:26:36am |
re: #110 sattv4u2
Wonderful
We never knew dad drank till he came home one night sober!! (half /)
He hit bottom and (like #49 above) was given a last ultimatum from the family!
That was 24 years ago. He hasn't had a drop since
It was hidden and not talked about when I was growing up. I think my choices would have been different had I been educated about addiction as a child. That's why I'm starting young with my two and making sure that we aren't drinking so they don't grow up thinking that's a normal thing to do.
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darthstar Tue, May 1, 2012 7:30:23am |
re: #106 CuriousLurker
Drive-by - new wingnut outrage/conspiracy alert:
[Embedded content] Gotta run. Later.
President Obama also didn't mention Andrew Breitbart at the WHC dinner...coincidence? I think not!
//
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, May 1, 2012 7:41:12am |
re: #115 Sionainn
It was hidden and not talked about when I was growing up. I think my choices would have been different had I been educated about addiction as a child. That's why I'm starting young with my two and making sure that we aren't drinking so they don't grow up thinking that's a normal thing to do.
Interesting. Whereas we will have a beer or a cocktail in front of our son. A glass of wine with dinner and perhaps a sherry after. But getting plastered is looked down on. There have been some people in our families that have had trouble but I don't see going neo-prohibitionist as the way to prevent that from happening again. Teaching appreciation and appropriate behavior seems, to me, to be more effective in the long run. But then I'm a euro socialist so what do I know ;)
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 1, 2012 7:43:47am |
re: #117 William Barnett-Lewis
I don't see going neo-prohibitionist as the way to prevent that from happening again
Sionainn pointed out above that she/he has had her/his own problems with the bottle, so showing her/his kids that he/she can control that is probably wise
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lawhawk Tue, May 1, 2012 7:44:18am |
Anarchists charged in a terror plot. In Cleveland.
They first thought about knocking down bank signs, but then started looking into more extreme acts - blowing up a bridge and proceeded to the point of obtaining what they thought were explosives.
The more I see about the anarchists and terror plots, the more I think we're seeing a repeat of events from the turn of the century. The 19th into the 20th century that is. It's the same themes at work, and the usual suspects as well.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, May 1, 2012 7:45:03am |
re: #76 NJDhockeyfan
WTF is wrong with these people? Is this supposed to help gain support for their cause?
What is "their cause?"
Interesting that the article strongly suggests links between the letters and Occupy (without any evidence). One has to wonder if Killgore isn't moonlighting, working for Reuters.
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Obdicut Tue, May 1, 2012 7:45:05am |
re: #119 lawhawk
Let's hope for fewer kangaroo courts for anarchists this time around.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 1, 2012 7:46:13am |
re: #121 Obdicut
Let's hope for fewer kangaroo courts for anarchists this time around.
Why do you hate kangaroos?
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 1, 2012 7:46:48am |
Must be Israeli's trying to blow up the bridge like they did the twin towers.( @timcast live at ustre.am/FdJZ/1)— autopilot28 (@autopilot281) May 1, 2012
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Obdicut Tue, May 1, 2012 7:47:50am |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
That guy has a whole 1 follower. Please make him priority number one, Killgore.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 1, 2012 7:48:25am |
Here's a live feed from NY
[Link: www.ustream.tv...]
The twitter comments are just about what you'd expect
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Gus Tue, May 1, 2012 7:49:39am |
Real American Shoots Gay-Homo Pro-'Amendment One' Sign, With Bullets Of Love bit.ly/JE157D— Wonkette (@Wonkette) May 1, 2012
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HappyBenghazi Tue, May 1, 2012 7:50:26am |
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
Ha, poor Rupert.
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Gus Tue, May 1, 2012 8:01:43am |
Joe Hill, born Joel Emmanuel Hägglund in Gävle, Sweden, and also known as Joseph Hillström (October 7, 1879 – November 19, 1915) was a Swedish-American labor activist, songwriter, and member of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW, also known as the "Wobblies"). A native Swedish speaker, he learned English during the early 1900s, while working various jobs from New York to San Francisco. Hill, as an immigrant worker frequently facing unemployment and underemployment, became a popular song writer and cartoonist for the radical union. His most famous songs include "The Preacher and the Slave", "The Tramp", "There is Power in a Union", "The Rebel Girl", and "Casey Jones—the Union Scab", which generally express the harsh but combative life of itinerant workers, and the perceived necessity of organizing to improve conditions for working people...
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HappyBenghazi Tue, May 1, 2012 8:05:03am |
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Sionainn Tue, May 1, 2012 8:05:22am |
re: #117 William Barnett-Lewis
Interesting. Whereas we will have a beer or a cocktail in front of our son. A glass of wine with dinner and perhaps a sherry after. But getting plastered is looked down on. There have been some people in our families that have had trouble but I don't see going neo-prohibitionist as the way to prevent that from happening again. Teaching appreciation and appropriate behavior seems, to me, to be more effective in the long run. But then I'm a euro socialist so what do I know ;)
They are being taught that for some people, alcohol is no good, that one can become addicted very easily and that they are likely those kind of people based on genetics, and that other people don't have a problem with it so it's okay for them to drink.
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Sionainn Tue, May 1, 2012 8:06:19am |
re: #118 sattv4u2
I don't see going neo-prohibitionist as the way to prevent that from happening again
Sionainn pointed out above that she/he has had her/his own problems with the bottle, so showing her/his kids that he/she can control that is probably wise
Just so you know, I'm a woman. ;-)
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 1, 2012 8:06:47am |
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Sionainn Tue, May 1, 2012 8:07:56am |
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Simply Sarah Tue, May 1, 2012 8:10:08am |
re: #133 sattv4u2
Thanks
That saves a LOT of typing!!
Just use gender neutral pronouns! Zie went to the store with hir best friend.
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HappyBenghazi Tue, May 1, 2012 8:11:22am |
Apparently Obama's Bin Laden ad struck a nerve. Gosh I know it bothers some of the wingnuts that Obama got Bin Laden but why shouldn't it be an accomplishment? If the mission had failed, Romney would be going after Obama for that. I think they're just pissed that they lost the national security stronger party argument.
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Gus Tue, May 1, 2012 8:11:42am |
re: #130 HappyWarrior
Dubliners had a good version of the song. I also have Joan Baez's. Anyhow I think if people knew what Hill was up against, they wouldn't spout out stupid talking points about the evil unions. John L. Lewis in my grandparents' household was as and maybe more revered than FDR.
How soon people forget; how we take things for granted. It was only about 100 years ago which is but a flash in time. The 40 hour work week is but a small part. Amongst many changes that helped us progress a nation and a world community. Labor which was treated like cattle with no regard to safety and many simple forms of human decency.
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Obdicut Tue, May 1, 2012 8:13:04am |
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Gus Tue, May 1, 2012 8:13:13am |
re: #136 HappyWarrior
Apparently Obama's Bin Laden ad struck a nerve. Gosh I know it bothers some of the wingnuts that Obama got Bin Laden but why shouldn't it be an accomplishment? If the mission had failed, Romney would be going after Obama for that. I think they're just pissed that they lost the national security stronger party argument.
Democrat + Black President / Osama bin Laden = Butthurt
These are the same people that co-opted every single military operation for close to 8 years. Many still do.
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HappyBenghazi Tue, May 1, 2012 8:16:06am |
re: #137 Gus
How soon people forget; how we take things for granted. It was only about 100 years ago which is but a flash in time. The 40 hour work week is but a small part. Amongst many changes that helped us progress a nation and a world community. Labor which was treated like cattle with no regard to safety and many simple forms of human decency.
Yep. There's a lot to be thankful to labor for and too many forget. It amuses me that people flip their shit over "greedy union workers" but are conspicuously quiet on corporate greed and policies that coddle the very wealthy. I am not anti rich but we don't need policies that coddle them either and that's exactly what insisting on tax cuts for the wealthy no matter what is.
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 1, 2012 8:18:10am |
Attempted Anarchy in Albany NY,
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Fail
Oh yeah it was an "accident"
On May day? I don't think so.
/
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Gus Tue, May 1, 2012 8:22:41am |
One year ago TODAY twitter.com/thinkprogress/...— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) May 1, 2012
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Daniel Ballard Tue, May 1, 2012 8:28:01am |
From the Occupy LA site. An interesting approach. Hint to myself-Stay the hell away from the red zone. Unless I can get up for a view and use my long lens anyway.
Central Hub March Tactical Parameters
Submitted by Lyssa Strata on Sun, 04/29/2012 - 1:19pm
Red:
This attracts anti-capitalists, anti-fascists and other more militant comrades of a revolutionary bent. We encourage affinity groups to work together in a show of disciplined and organized resistance. This is the zone that is predisposed to standing their ground against the police.
Yellow:
This zone typically caters to people who are in between red and green, who are conscience of police repression and direct or mass actions but recognize some element of risk and would like to be cautious of escalation.
Green:
This attracts individuals who prefer a quieter, safer environment. Some of these groups may include the undocumented, differently-abled, children, families or anyone not wanting to come into direct confrontation with the police.
These zones do not serve to limit any individual’s actions but exist to facilitate a positive experience. In case the march is escalated by police repression, Pershing Square is considered a green zone for those who may feel uncomfortable.
IN CASE OF POLICE INTERACTION:
Do not panic.
Do not talk to the police.
Do not intervene in the actions of others.
If you feel unsafe, move away.
Provocateurs and Police Agents will spread false information and attempt to escalate the situation. Remain calm, do not panic. Do not spread information that has not been verified.
Remember, in the face of the adversary, WE SHOW FULL SOLIDARITY.
Tags:
#M1GS
strike
mayday
May1st
OLA
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gwangung Tue, May 1, 2012 8:57:06am |
re: #136 HappyWarrior
Apparently Obama's Bin Laden ad struck a nerve. Gosh I know it bothers some of the wingnuts that Obama got Bin Laden but why shouldn't it be an accomplishment? If the mission had failed, Romney would be going after Obama for that.
Quite fairly, in my book.
You fail, you can get criticized.
You succeed, you can get praised.
Why is there a problem with that?
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