Was Richard M. Nixon a Closet Marxist: Forward Together

46th Inaugural Theme, ‘Forward Together’ and its Marxist-Socialist-Communist origins reveal
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In an exclusive to Little Green Footballs this intrepid reporter has located what seems to be evidence of the phrase “Forward Together” used for the 46th Inaugural of America’s president in 1969 and being none other then the alleged anti-Communist, Richard M. Nixon. The inaugural slogan, utilized the word “Forward” — “a word with a long and rich association with European Marxism” and Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” which spanned the years 1949 to 1976. The Washington Times further explains:

Many Communist and radical publications and entities throughout the 19th and 20th centuries had the name “Forward!” or its foreign cognates. Wikipedia has an entire section called “Forward (generic name of socialist publications).”

“The name Forward carries a special meaning in socialist political terminology. It has been frequently used as a name for socialist, communist and other left-wing newspapers and publications,” the online encyclopedia explains.

What follows is a selection of images from the “Forward Together” inaugural theme which begs the question? Was Richard M. Nixon a closet Marxist? What about the use of “Up With People” combined with the “Forward Together” in the inaugural float? Here we not only combine the Marxist “Forward” but “People” as in the People’s Republic of China.

Vicki Lynne Cole (right) with her “Bring Us Together Again” sign on the “Forward Together” theme float.

Nixon Portrait: “Forward Together”

Forward Together Inauguration Broadside, 1969

Forward Together: Welcome 46th Inaugural

Was Richard M. Nixon a closet Marxist? This could perhaps explain his eagerness to meet Mao in his famous visit to the People’s Republic of China and the ease with which he approved the communistic government agency, the Environmental Protection Agency. This is a rather disturbing revelation and may prove that Richard M. Nixon was the first Marxist president ever to be elected in the United States of America — a Republican-Marxist no less. It might also explain the ease with which Nixon handed over South Vietnam to the Red Chinese!

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1 freetoken  Tue, May 1, 2012 11:09:08pm

Love it.

2 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, May 2, 2012 2:14:23am

Not to mention the Forward for Freedom speech of "Red Ronnie" still beloved by marxist conservatives to this day.

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:21:39am

Silly wingnuts, word tricks are for kids.

4 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:24:45am

The entire concept of moving the ball 'forward' in football was obviously planted in there by red agitators. The real original game of patriotic American football involved standing on the ball with one foot (hence, football) while punching the lights out of anyone who dared come near it.

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:27:58am

Ariel Sharon's party is called Kadima. Which is translated as... yeah, you guessed it.

6 palomino  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:28:07am

Once you've fallen for the lie that Obama is a socialist, then everything becomes further evidence of his socialism. Even the use of an innocuous and completely neutral word like forward becomes socialist code. But when a guy like Nixon used forward it was OK because we all know he wasn't a socialist. The argument is a logical trainwreck.

It's kinda like the controversy over Obama bowing to a foreign leader. When other presidents bowed, it was OK. But when Obama bows, it means he hates America.

7 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:30:47am

re: #6 palomino

And combining 'socialist' with 'Marxist' really grinds my gears.

Image: Grinds-my-gears1.jpg

8 freetoken  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:33:26am

I Paged the Australian documentary which was put on Youtube after all:


Mitt Romney and the Mormons

I wonder how this kind of stuff will go this year, whether it will snowball or whither into the ground (which even Karl Rove may not be able to make happen.)

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:38:11am

Whose slogan was "God with us"? I forget.//

10 freetoken  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:41:48am

re: #5 May Day! May Day!

Ariel Sharon's party is called Kadima. Which is translated as... yeah, you guessed it.

"Fig"?

... oh... I thought you wrote Kadota ...

11 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:49:03am

Another Marxist exposed! It turns out that St. Ronald of Reagan's own Vice President, George H. W. Bush, was a closet Marxist too. Here's his 1988 campaign biography for proof:

Looking Forward

12 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:58:39am

Someone should also tell Arsenal that their motto makes them a bunch of Marxists:

Image: ArsenalJersey.jpg

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 4:10:50am
Forza Italia[3] (Forward Italy, FI) was a liberal-conservative,[4][5] Christian democratic,[2] and liberal[6] political party in Italy, with a large social democratic minority,[2] that was led by Silvio Berlusconi, four times Prime Minister of Italy.

Onoz! Obama is a Berlusconi-like right-winger! Omg!

14 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, May 2, 2012 4:24:50am

Retain the purity of American sport - ban the forward pass!

15 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 2, 2012 4:29:52am
16 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 2, 2012 4:34:10am
17 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 2, 2012 4:35:48am
18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 4:41:58am

Two can play that game.

Mitt Romney's phrase: "keep America America".

KKK phrase: "keep America American".

19 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 4:53:49am

re: #18 May Day! May Day!

Yowza.

20 funky chicken  Wed, May 2, 2012 4:55:59am

So that's why Nixon went to China. Gosh, I never saw it before.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 4:57:41am

re: #19 Obdicut

There was some brouhaha a while back. I mean, I wouldn't hang this around his neck, it's just a general nonsense phrase that can be used positively and negatively. But if the wingnuts insist...

22 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 4:58:58am

re: #16 ggt

23 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:07:59am

re: #21 May Day! May Day!

The thing is, Romney's phrase-- combined with his draconian stance on undocumented aliens, and the general racism embraced by the GOP-- actually does sound creepy on its own to me.

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:18:34am
I am sick to death of this garbage. Not voting for Romney does NOT equal voting for Obama.
In 2008 Obama was funded by Russia.
Wikileaks got emails that there was massive vote fraud, McCain knew it and did nothing.
Spain is going to "count" our votes. Can you say RIGGED?

Romney cannot and will not win. Just as McCain didn't.

21 posted on Wed May 02 2012 06:36:22 GMT+0400 (Russische Normalzeit) by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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25 Sionainn  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:19:24am

re: #6 palomino

Once you've fallen for the lie that Obama is a socialist, then everything becomes further evidence of his socialism. Even the use of an innocuous and completely neutral word like forward becomes socialist code. But when a guy like Nixon used forward it was OK because we all know he wasn't a socialist. The argument is a logical trainwreck.

It's kinda like the controversy over Obama bowing to a foreign leader. When other presidents bowed, it was OK. But when Obama bows, it means he hates America.

I was attempting to explain the news of the day to my husband yesterday on our drive home. It had to do with the wingnuts freaking out about Obama using the killing of bin Laden in an ad. At the end of my explanation, my husband said, "I don't get it, that makes no sense at all." Welcome to Wingnut Logic 101, where nothing makes sense.

26 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:28:00am

Esa to decide on Juice mission to Jupiter

Delegates to the European Space Agency are expected to approve a billion-euro mission to Jupiter and its icy moons when they meet in Paris on Wednesday.

The probe, called Juice, would be built in time for a launch in 2022, although it would be a further eight years before it reached the Jovian system.

I love this stuff!

27 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:29:54am
28 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:31:11am

re: #26 ggt

Wait, why would it take eight years to reach Jupiter?

New Horizons only took a little over a year.

29 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:33:03am

Report: Facebook Sets IPO For May 18

Facebook will go public on May 18, a published report says, in one of the most highly anticipated tech initial public offerings since Google went public in August 2004.

The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that the social networking company is set to start its roadshow on Monday, according to people familiar with the matter. The roadshow, a series of meetings with prospective institutional investors, is designed to stir interest in the company's stock.

Ticker symbol: FB

30 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:33:30am

re: #28 Obdicut

Wait, why would it take eight years to reach Jupiter?

New Horizons only took a little over a year.

I love this stuff, but I have no clue as to the science and techie side of it.

31 iossarian  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:42:10am

re: #29 ggt

Report: Facebook Sets IPO For May 18

Ticker symbol: FB

Tech Bubble II: Zuckerman's Revenge

32 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:44:12am

Ahh. Umm. Wasn't this supposed to be that scary ooga-booga antisemitic notion just a few weeks ago?

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

"JEWS WHO PUT SECURITY, ISRAEL FIRST WANT ROMNEY; OTHER JEWS WANT OBAMA"

33 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:46:09am

re: #32 May Day! May Day!

Yep. It also has quite a large shading of "Jews who support Obama aren't real Jews."

34 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:47:14am

re: #33 Obdicut

"other Jews". What a wording.

35 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:49:38am

re: #33 Obdicut

A conservative chimes in:

LOSTLEGENDS
Jews have been leaders in imposing socialism on nations and mostly socialist for generations. They have also been among the leaders in attacking national cultures and pushing sleaze of every description. Pushing social change is a tenet of Judaism. A strong moral background? Where have you been? Jews used to sell their neighbors to the Gestapo during the Holocaust. I've never thought of Jews as having strong morals. Quite the opposite.

A LIKE REPLY
1 day ago in reply to lightguy 8 Likes F

36 iossarian  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:52:05am

re: #35 May Day! May Day!

A conservative chimes in:

What's the semitophilic equivalent of Hispandering?

"Juicing the vote"?

37 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:54:07am

re: #35 May Day! May Day!

A conservative chimes in:

WTF!!!

38 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:56:17am

re: #37 Learned Mother of Zion

OK, that one is a Tea Party Paulite (still a conservative).

39 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 5:57:37am

I was wondering where my page went. Thanks Charles.

Conspiracy cat is paranoid!

40 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:00:06am

re: #32 May Day! May Day!

Ahh. Umm. Wasn't this supposed to be that scary ooga-booga antisemitic notion just a few weeks ago?

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

"JEWS WHO PUT SECURITY, ISRAEL FIRST WANT ROMNEY; OTHER JEWS WANT OBAMA"

What in the... "Israel first" at Bretibart and from Joel Pollak no less? Alan Dershowitz will not be happy about this! No wait. Probably not. MJ Rosenberg is probably grinding his teeth.

41 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:01:56am

re: #40 Gus

Rosenberg went back to his normal crazy self and reverted to the use of the term, citing Breitbrat as an excuse. Thankfully, now he can do it in a well-deserved obscurity.

42 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:02:24am

Nixon is so universally discredited that I'm surprised that the wingnuts have not yet made the argument that he was a leftie like Adolf Hitler.

43 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:02:51am

re: #35 May Day! May Day!

Wow. That's pretty naked antisemitic crap right there.

The comments on that thread are a depressing tour through various forms of anti-semitism.

44 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:03:11am

re: #42 Aye Pod

Nixon is so universally discredited that I'm surprised that the wingnuts have not yet made the argument that he was a leftie like Adolf Hitler.

Doughy pantloads!

45 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:03:28am

re: #38 May Day! May Day!

and the comment has more 'likes' than the comments attacking it do.

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:03:31am

re: #43 Obdicut

To be fair, there's also lots of pushback.

47 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:05:54am

The Great Leap Forward Together

48 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:06:28am

re: #46 May Day! May Day!

Yeah, but some of the main pushback is from that Max Plank guy, who looks like, well, not a troll, but certainly a pugnacious-as-fuck leftie.

There's plenty of other bizarre antisemitic garbage in there, too.

49 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:07:50am

re: #41 May Day! May Day!

Rosenberg went back to his normal crazy self and reverted to the use of the term, citing Breitbrat as an excuse. Thankfully, now he can do it in a well-deserved obscurity.

What a moron… "They did it, too!"

TU QUOQUE IS A FALLACY, YOU DOPE!

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:07:53am
EILEEN_FOR_FREEDOM_LIBERTY
No Jew who is a 'real' Jew...would support the BFF of the Muslim Brotherhood...but then there were those who supported Hitler also!

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

A LIKE REPLY
1 day ago 5 Likes F

TOM21773
Soros worked for Hitler and committed the same atrocities Germans were executed for.

A LIKE REPLY
1 day ago in reply to Eileen_for_Freedom_Liberty 6 Likes F

51 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:08:05am

Yay Drudge Siren!
Great page, Gus. Love it.

52 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:08:24am

Nixon campaigned in favor of the ERA. Of course once in office he didn't do much about it. Not that he could since passage of the ERA largely relied on state legislatures.

I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable Teabillies will not see this as satire.

53 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:09:13am

re: #51 Millicent Islam

Yay Drudge Siren!
Great page, Gus. Love it.

Thanks! Tossed that Drudge siren in at the last minute. Was looking at the page thinking "the needs a Drudge siren!"

54 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:10:03am

re: #47 Gus

The Great Leap Forward Together

Heh.

55 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:11:01am

re: #54 Aye Pod

[Embedded content] Heh.

You have those communist kittens handy?

56 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:14:15am

re: #55 Gus

You have those communist kittens handy?

All present and correct!

57 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:15:01am

re: #56 Aye Pod

All present and correct!

[Embedded content]

Excellent!

58 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:15:40am

The crap about Breitbart.com and MJ Rosenberg deserves an lgf page/front page post.

The primal charge against Jews, from ancient times up until now has always been that they are disloyal. It is as if jew-haters are essentially against pluralism and dissent. This shit has got to stop. 21st century. People are allowed to disagree.

59 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:16:47am

On that note, May Day is now Loyalty Day: [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:17:11am

re: #49 Unlike Some People

What a moron… "They did it, too!"

TUO QUOQUE IS A FALLACY, YOU DOPE!

This is of course after he himself explained at length why the label wasn't accurate in his own sense (supposedly he means "Likud-first" by it).

61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:18:54am

re: #59 Unlike Some People

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of May, in the year of our Lord two thousand twelve, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-sixth.

Beh.

62 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:20:10am

re: #61 May Day! May Day!

Beh.

Would "Common Era" make you happier?

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:20:58am

re: #62 Unlike Some People

AD would do fine, no need to decode it.

64 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:21:11am

I guess my suggestion of 'Unrearward Alone' Was a little too negative.../

65 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:21:47am

re: #63 May Day! May Day!

AD would do fine, no need to decode it.

AD essentially means the same thing as "in the year of our Lord", though.

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:22:38am

re: #65 Unlike Some People

AD essentially means the same thing as "in the year of our Lord", though.

It doesn't, though. Unlike "in the year of our Lord", it has become secularized long ago.

67 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:24:37am

re: #66 May Day! May Day!

It doesn't, though. Unlike "in the year of our Lord", it has become secularized long ago.

I don't know why you think that. If you think that the formal use of "in the year of our Lord" is any less secular than AD, I think you are fantasizing.

Kinda reminds me of the people arguing that the symbol denoting a date of death in encyclopedias is a dagger and not a cross, so it shouldn't offend Muslims or Jews.

68 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:25:40am

gotta dash. later folks :)

69 iossarian  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:25:50am

re: #66 May Day! May Day!

It doesn't, though. Unlike "in the year of our Lord", it has become secularized long ago.

I would like to deflect this discussion of the contextual and subtextual meaning of common phrases by asking whether the practice of counting years since the declaration of independence is common practice in presidential declarations?

Or is this just a SECULAR NEW WORLD ORDER move by the Socialist-in-Chief?

70 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:28:47am

re: #67 Unlike Some People

By the same logic AD is not different from CE, since they denote the very same supposed event.

Moreover, by the same logic then it would make no difference if he spelled it out further: "in the year of our Lord and God Jesus Christ".

The simple fact is that words employed do matter, and specific phrasing can add to the meaning. I think those who think otherwise are deluding themselves.

71 Bulworth  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:31:10am

Also, too Tricky Dick appeased Commie Red China and created the soshulist EPA. /

72 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:36:45am

Heh.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Yup, that's an image of a crucifix over the headlined, "WH Omits 'in the Year of Our Lord.'" Placed in the context of a network that has consistently denounced perceived slights against Christianity as the result of political correctness and secularism run amok, the message is clear: Those godless Marxists are at it again.

But if you click through the image, you discover a report about how the White House has not included the phrase "in the year of our Lord" in a proclamation... declaring May as Jewish American Heritage Month.

73 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:40:46am

re: #72 May Day! May Day!

Heh.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

I don't even want to look. Seems like another case of minutia hunting from the wingnuts. Typo controversy!

74 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:42:13am
75 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:43:24am

re: #70 May Day! May Day!

By the same logic AD is not different from CE, since they denote the very same supposed event.

Uhm, no. CE does not enclose any notion of deference or reverence.

Moreover, by the same logic then it would make no difference if he spelled it out further: "in the year of our Lord and God Jesus Christ".

Again, no. Totally different semantical issue. And please don't throw around the phrase "by the same logic" if you do not, in fact, apply the same logic or treat content indifferently.

The simple fact is that words employed do matter, and specific phrasing can add to the meaning. I think those who think otherwise are deluding themselves.

That's exactly what I am arguing.

76 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:50:33am

Hmm, the Feline Overlord declared this morning that if there is going to be on-going eye trouble he wants an snazzy eyepatch.

(Not really. But he seems to be resting comfortably today. Just annoyed at getting eye drops every 8 hours. The tuna fish has been accepted as proper compensation however.)

Otherwise, another day at work and more coffee needs to be consumed. Last day for a bunch of our contractors as well. They will be headed back to Brazil or other places.

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:53:58am

re: #75 Unlike Some People

Uhm, no. CE does not enclose any notion of deference or reverence.

But it does, by the very fact of choosing to count from the supposed date of birth of that guy, and not any other guy.

Moreover, by the same logic then it would make no difference if he spelled it out further: "in the year of our Lord and God Jesus Christ".

Again, no. Totally different semantical issue. And please don't throw around the phrase "by the same logic" if you do not, in fact, apply the same logic or treat content indifferently.

AD is not equal to spelling out the middle version, yet you claim it is. Just the same, then, mentioning Jesus by name is even more divisive than mere "Lord" (even though they narrate the same thing), but if AD and the middle version are the same in impact, what's the diff between the middle version and the long one?


The simple fact that the WH chose to drop the middle version from the Jewish heritage month declaration shows they understand that its use is not entirely secular. I think they should be consistent and drop it everywhere.

78 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 6:59:03am

re: #42 Aye Pod

Nixon is so universally discredited that I'm surprised that the wingnuts have not yet made the argument that he was a leftie like Adolf Hitler.

Listen to the Paultards sometime. They loathe Nixon for the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts, the EPA, and taking America off the gold standard.

79 darthstar  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:06:00am

Dear god, I loved Up With People in 1972! I really am a commie!

80 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:09:11am

re: #79 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Dear god, I loved Up With People in 1972! I really am a commie!

The Cowsills man!

81 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:13:11am

re: #79 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Dear god, I loved Up With People in 1972! I really am a commie!

They came to our school and did a song or two and talked. I guess I could have paid more attention to them but I was too busy messing around in the bleachers to care.

82 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:15:31am

re: #77 May Day! May Day!

But it does, by the very fact of choosing to count from the supposed date of birth of that guy, and not any other guy.

You are being very intellectual dishonest if you think that counting from a certain date is somehow equivalent or even remotely comparable to worship.

AD is not equal to spelling out the middle version, yet you claim it is.

Uh, yes it is equivalent. It means the same thing. Anno Domini means "in the year of our Lord". The fact that it is conventional to ignore that doesn't change that fact. The fact that you like that conventional ignorance does not suggest another conventional formula is more or less secular.

if AD and the middle version are the same in impact, what's the diff between the middle version and the long one?

You don't really want me to explain to you what "our God Jesus Christ" means, so you are being disingenious. And no, that does not "narrate the same thing". Affirming the reality of Christianity having reigned supreme over historical chronology is not the same as affirming Christianity.

83 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:16:19am

Btw, out for the day. I don't really have time to engage in meaningless bullshit minutiae for hours.

84 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:19:11am

re: #80 Gus

The Cowsills man!

OMG, my sisters loved them. And then the DeFranco Family came out and everything went downhill from there :-)

While I sat in my room listening to Alice Cooper and Black Sabbath. Yeah, I was/am a heathen.

85 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:19:25am

In all seriousness. I always found Up with People kind of scary.

86 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:23:11am

But was he a Muslim? Seriously the writer of the Washington Times article should be embarrassed to call himself a journalist after this joke of an article.

87 darthstar  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:25:18am

re: #74 ggt

More fun on cafepress!

Is that your store? I've got twodogsandacat

88 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:26:53am

Good morning lizards!

NJD nailed Philly real good last night. Chock up one for the good guys.

89 darthstar  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:29:07am

re: #85 Gus

In all seriousness. I always found Up with People kind of scary.

And all their bold colored shirts...actually, President Bush was fond of using them as a backdrop in speeches.

90 darthstar  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:29:51am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

NJD nailed Philly real good last night. Chock up one for the good guys.

You ate a cheesesteak?

91 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:30:27am

re: #89 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

And all their bold colored shirts...actually, President Bush was fond of using them as a backdrop in speeches.

That's funny. The yellow shirts are the shooters.

92 wiffersnapper  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:30:37am

Looks like someone recently read this article:

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

93 darthstar  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:31:27am

re: #83 Unlike Some People

Btw, out for the day. I don't really have time to engage in meaningless bullshit minutiae for hours.

I come here to avoid meaningless bullshit minutiae...holy shit...it's ALL meaningless bullshit minutiae!

94 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:32:59am

re: #92 wiffersnapper

Looks like someone recently read this article:

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

Heh. That's actually a pretty good article.

95 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:33:41am

re: #93 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

I come here to avoid meaningless bullshit minutiae...holy shit...it's ALL meaningless bullshit minutiae!

Define "meaningless".
/

96 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:37:57am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Heh. That's actually a pretty good article.

My company is blocking that website. What's it about?

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:38:05am

re: #82 Unlike Some People

You are being very intellectual dishonest if you think that counting from a certain date is somehow equivalent or even remotely comparable to worship.

Except of course I made no such claim. What I said is that your claim of no deference is false. You're forced to use this system which can never be entirely secular due to its roots, so you're showing deference in any case. You're counting from this date and not from any other date whether you like it or not, and this date has purely religious roots. So the aim is not to achieve some super-secular solution, but to use the sufficiently neutral language. While I myself prefer CE/BCE, AD/BC (in such form) are neutral enough for my tastes (you asked about my preference, remember?).

AD is not equal to spelling out the middle version, yet you claim it is.

Uh, yes it is equivalent. It means the same thing. Anno Domini means "in the year of our Lord". The fact that it is conventional to ignore that doesn't change that fact. The fact that you like that conventional ignorance does not suggest another conventional formula is more or less secular.

Uh, no, in no way it is equivalent to use "AD" and to spell out the whole middle version (or even just to spell out the abbreviation). You once again ignored the fact that word usage matters. It matters e.g. whether one writes "BC" or insists on spelling out "before Christ". "The medium is the message". The middle version is not anywhere as common as AD. You will see even atheists using AD/BC, but hardly the middle version.

You don't really want me to explain to you what "our God Jesus Christ" means, so you are being disingenious.

Except it's the same as saying "in the year of our Lord", since that Lord (and God) is Jesus. So you insist that AD and the middle version have the same meaning, but object to explicit unpacking the middle version, which makes my point. Also, you're being inconsistent, and thus disingenuous, not to mention willing to engage in name-calling over smallest things.

BTW, "the year of our Lord Jesus Christ" is listed as an alternative form of "the year of our Lord".

And no, that does not "narrate the same thing". Affirming the reality of Christianity having reigned supreme over historical chronology is not the same as affirming Christianity.

Except that's not what CE denotes at all. CE is just a fig leaf over AD anyway.

98 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:38:20am

Well, It looks like my prediction about the end of OWS might be wrong. Early reactions seem relatively positive. Lefty blogs seem unbothered by the terrorism and the national MSM is reporting even the more violent protests in Seattle and Oakland as "mostly peaceful" but local press is a bit more unkind. Crowd sizes were respectable. Looks like OWS may continue.

99 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:40:06am

re: #90 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

You ate a cheesesteak?

I love cheesesteak! I also love watching a Philly team lose, especially when one of my teams kicks their ass.

100 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:42:19am

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Well, It looks like my prediction about the end of OWS might be wrong. Early reactions seem relatively positive. Lefty blogs seem unbothered by the terrorism and the national MSM is reporting even the more violent protests in Seattle and Oakland as "mostly peaceful" but local press is a bit more unkind. Crowd sizes were respectable. Looks like OWS may continue.

Well, the conditions that helped trigger OWS and that led to it gaining support haven't really changed. As long as that remains the case, it is very likely that some level of sympathy and support for Occupy will remain.

101 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:42:41am

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Well, It looks like my prediction about the end of OWS might be wrong. Early reactions seem relatively positive. Lefty blogs seem unbothered by the terrorism and the national MSM is reporting even the more violent protests in Seattle and Oakland as "mostly peaceful" but local press is a bit more unkind. Crowd sizes were respectable. Looks like OWS may continue.

I saw that the Ohio anarchists had the G8 meetings and the Republican national convention on their list.

102 lawhawk  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:45:04am

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

Anarchists are not interchangeable with OWS. Some anarchists might be using OWS as cover, but not all OWS are anarchists.

It's a significant distinction.

And it isn't any surprise that anarchists are targeting big gatherings like the national conventions or the G8; it's what they do. They're "professional" agitators.

103 darthstar  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:45:12am

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

I saw that the Ohio anarchists had the G8 meetings and the Republican national convention on their list.

Ohio anarchists? That's like saying Canadian football. And the Republican national convention's in Tampa. Relax a bit. The Ohio anarchists aren't a big threat to our democracy.

104 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:45:55am

re: #103 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Ohio anarchists? That's like saying Canadian football. And the Republican national convention's in Tampa. Relax a bit. The Ohio anarchists aren't a big threat to our democracy.

Pretty soon OWS will be imposing Sharia law upon America!!!!!

105 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:46:18am

re: #96 NJDhockeyfan

My company is blocking that website. What's it about?

It's Cracked which usually does satire comedy stuff but this one is an article on how to spot political BS in press reports. I'll give you the synopsis
5 Ways to Spot a B.S. Political Story in Under 10 Seconds

#5. The Headline Contains the Word "Gaffe"
(usually just reports of outrageous outrages and out of context quotes)
#4. The Headline Ends in a Question Mark

#3. The Headline Contains the Word "Blasts"
(eg: Obama blasts republicans - usually just repetition of desired talking points)

#2. The Headline Is About a "Lawmaker" Saying Something Stupid

(my favorite)

#1. The Headline Includes the Phrase "Blow To"

(eg- Supreme Court Delivers Blow to Obama Administration - Usually just sensationalism and drama)

106 darthstar  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47:13am

re: #102 lawhawk

They're annoying distractions that get labeled by the media and the simple minded as representative of whatever group they decide to stain with their presence...btw, why didn't they show up at any teabagger events? That's right...those people were armed.

107 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47:45am

re: #103 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Ohio anarchists? That's like saying Canadian football. And the Republican national convention's in Tampa. Relax a bit. The Ohio anarchists aren't a big threat to our democracy.

You say that now, but once they team up with the Illinois Nazis you'll be singing a different tune.

108 darthstar  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47:47am

re: #104 Gus

Pretty soon OWS will be imposing Sharia law upon America!!!

The Knack tried that in the seventies...oh, wait...that was Sharona law.

109 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:48:17am

Greetings from Mitzpe Ramon, deep in the Negev,

We're staying here until tomorrow AM, then it's two days in Jerusalem

[Link: www.isrotelexclusivecollection.com...]

What have I missed back in the USA?

110 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:52:21am

re: #109 ReamWorks SKG

Greetings from Mitzpe Ramon, deep in the Negev,

We're staying here until tomorrow AM, then it's two days in Jerusalem

[Link: www.isrotelexclusivecollection.com...]

What have I missed back in the USA?

Well. Snooki's pregnant.

111 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:54:22am

re: #108 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

The Knack tried that in the seventies...oh, wait...that was Sharona law.

Mmm-my Sharia.

112 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 7:56:59am

re: #109 ReamWorks SKG

Greetings from Mitzpe Ramon, deep in the Negev,

We're staying here until tomorrow AM, then it's two days in Jerusalem

[Link: www.isrotelexclusivecollection.com...]

What have I missed back in the USA?

May Day!

113 SidewaysQuark  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:00:42am

I'm going to go ahead and break Godwin's Law here for a minute.

It's been interesting to see conservatism in America collectively lose its freaking minds over the last 4-5 years or so. It's interesting because I've seen individuals and close acquaintances, some of them quite intelligent people, willingly follow the march of the cliff lock and step with the collective insanity of today's Right.

Now, of course, what we have on the right wing of the Republican Party is nowhere remotely close to what the Nazis were, heaven forbid, but seeing the lockstep movement of an ideology has been fascinating, from a morally neutral, sociological point of view. Therein lies the danger of embracing an ideology "X" and sticking by the view that being more "X" is better than getting anywhere near the opposition "Y". Once the human brain classifies "X" as a virtue, there seems to be no pulling back on most people, and I'm beginning to see how some of the most extreme political movements that ever existed, Left and Right, found their feeding grounds.

A terrifying aspect of human nature.

114 Interesting Times  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:04:28am

More herpty-derp from the Romney campaign:

...which leads Garrett to succinctly sum up the entire GOP platform in one tweet:

115 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:05:30am
116 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:07:19am

re: #100 Simply Sarah

Well, the conditions that helped trigger OWS and that led to it gaining support haven't really changed. As long as that remains the case, it is very likely that some level of sympathy and support for Occupy will remain.

I think we will probably differ on the conditions which created OWS. As the economy improves the economic purpose of OWS will become less important. They pretty much abandoned their economic cause anyways. What I think is driving the momentum is that OWS is willing to partner with pretty much anyone else on the "left". Unions, Immigration activists, anti-war, anti-globalization groups, anarchists, etc. That's why I think May Day was a good choice for relaunch. It's a generic expression of leftiness with lots of groups participating. The NATO summit will attract lots of anti-globalization moonbats so that will be a good opportunity too.
I think the increasing violent nature of Occupy and tacit support for the resulting terrorism will prevent OWS from becoming widely popular but the left doesn't seem bothered and will continue to support it.

117 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:08:31am

re: #98 Killgore Trout

The terrorism being..?

Are you calling the rioting and spray-painting terrorism?

118 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:09:35am

re: #115 Learned Mother of Zion

Most of what she says could be recreated by a relatively unsophisticated Eliza-type program.

119 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:10:10am

re: #114 Interesting Times

More herpty-derp from the Romney campaign:

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I guess an equal but opposite regulation to clean air would be a dirty air regulation.

So let's see. If we create a new emissions regulation you would have to remove an equal opposite regulation to say auto paint shops.

Doesn't make sense. You'd be regulating for clean air while removing regulation for other clean air on the opposite end.

120 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:11:28am

re: #117 Obdicut

Not that I support demonization of OWS, but these guys arrested for the bridge plot were a part, no? Plus the white powder guy.

121 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:12:00am

re: #116 Killgore Trout

I think we will probably differ on the conditions which created OWS. As the economy improves the economic purpose of OWS will become less important. They pretty much abandoned their economic cause anyways. What I think is driving the momentum is that OWS is willing to partner with pretty much anyone else on the "left". Unions, Immigration activists, anti-war, anti-globalization groups, anarchists, etc. That's why I think May Day was a good choice for relaunch. It's a generic expression of leftiness with lots of groups participating. The NATO summit will attract lots of anti-globalization moonbats so that will be a good opportunity too.
I think the increasing violent nature of Occupy and tacit support for the resulting terrorism will prevent OWS from becoming widely popular but the left doesn't seem bothered and will continue to support it.

Well, it's not true that people on the left are not bothered by it. I'm certainly bothered by parts of it. But I think what gets it some level of support by "the left", myself included, is the fact that it has really been decades since anything resembling a left wing moment has actually existing inside the U.S. In many ways, OWS is something that the desire for such an organized moment can, rightly or wrongly, be projected upon. We're a bit tired of simply being punching bags for the various radical right wing moments.

122 Interesting Times  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:12:46am

re: #119 Gus

It was such a mind-numbingly stupid, comically absurd statement I wondered if it might be a joke. Then I remembered Garrett Haake is the embedded reporter covering Romney's campaign, not an Onion writer*

*Obligatory "who can tell the difference" statement goes here

123 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:13:15am

re: #120 May Day! May Day!

Not that I support demonization of OWS, but these guys arrested for the bridge plot were a part, no? Plus the white powder guy.

We have two white powder incidents. We have the guy from Vancouver a few months ago and the ones from yesterday. It seems to be a popular tactic.

124 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:14:19am

re: #114 Interesting Times

More herpty-derp from the Romney campaign:

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Who knows with King Pander. Anyhow. He seems to care more about coddling business interests than leadership.

125 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:14:28am

re: #120 May Day! May Day!

Not that I support demonization of OWS, but these guys arrested for the bridge plot were a part, no? Plus the white powder guy.

Sure. I don't really see any support for them, tacit or otherwise, though. Of course, 'tacit support' is one of those weasel-word phrases that you can spin to mean just about anything-- like saying anyone not condemning something is supporting it.

I also don't see how that was the 'result' of an 'increasingly violent nature' of Occupy. The black bloc dudes aren't exactly a new phenomenon.

126 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:15:02am

Uh. There have been "white powder" incidents since 2002.

127 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:15:18am

re: #121 Simply Sarah

I did notice a "fuck you" to the Seattle anarchists at the top of reddit this morning. They aren't really a lefty site but it's nice that somebody is speaking out.

128 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:15:40am

re: #116 Killgore Trout

[snip]
I think the increasing violent nature of Occupy and tacit support for the resulting terrorism will prevent OWS from becoming widely popular but the left doesn't seem bothered and will continue to support it.

They were lone wolves, same as on the right. Can't have it both ways. If not, then your side gets the right wing nutters. So let's see, spray painting sides of buildings and breaking windows compared to shooting people, bombing parade routes, dragging gay men behind pickup trucks until dead, etc...

I'll side with the spray painters and window breakers.

129 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:17:18am

re: #127 Killgore Trout

I did notice a "fuck you" to the Seattle anarchists at the top of reddit this morning. They aren't really a lefty site but it's nice that somebody is speaking out.

Yeah. "Speaking out" on Reddit. That'll change a "movement."

130 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:17:41am

re: #128 RayFerd

They were lone wolves, same as on the right. Can't have it both ways. If not, then your side gets the right wing nutters. So let's see, spray painting sides of buildings and breaking windows compared to shooting people, bombing parade routes, dragging gay men behind pickup trucks until dead, etc...

I'll side with the spray painters and window breakers.

Believe it or not I'm a liberal.

131 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:17:47am

That's like people that think Gates of Vienna will fight Jihadism.

132 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:19:24am

I always found the economic 'message' of Occupy half-assed, but that's mainly because I think AGW is the biggest economic problem the world is facing. I saw very little talk about unsustainablity of the economy while I was checking it out, more focus on inequity of income division. Inequity is a problem, but it's not nearly as large a problem as unsustainability. We could fix income inequality tomorrow and we'd still have a doomed economy.

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:19:42am

re: #125 Obdicut

I think it's an indication the nutters are comfortable enough in thinking of themselves as a part of OWS. What I can't say is how widespread the condemnation among the OWS ppl is about these incidents, I didn't pay attention.

134 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:20:36am

Well. It look like nothing but OWS this morning at LGF. What a boring way to spend the morning.

135 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:21:14am

re: #133 May Day! May Day!

I can only judge by my posse back in San Francisco, who are angry about the black bloc dudes 'ruining everything like usual'. It takes a lot of organizational skill and discipline to actually get the black bloc dudes out of any protest group, though. Anything that's open-invitation is inevitably going to get them coming along.

136 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:22:03am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

We have two white powder incidents. We have the guy from Vancouver a few months ago and the ones from yesterday. It seems to be a popular tactic.

Did you see the pictures of what they found in Seattle?

Police seize 70 items from protesters

Following an emergency order from Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn, Seattle police said they seized about 70 items from protesters which could have been used to damage property or wielded as weapons.

According to a post on SPD’s online “blotter,” the items included metal sign poles, sharpened wooden stakes, screw topped wooden staffs and a corrugated metal barrier with jagged edges. One device appeared to be built of a bunch of cigarette lighters taped together.

The items were taken after McGinn issued a civil emergency proclamation Tuesday afternoon, giving police the authority to confiscate weapons or anything that could be “reasonably perceived” as a weapon from people in the downtown area.

The SPD has posted photos of some of the seized items here.

138 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:22:56am

Since some were questioning the use of FBI informants and fake explosives...
[Link: ktar.com...]

The FBI said suspects bought fake explosives from an undercover employee and put them at the base of a highway bridge over the Cuyahoga Valley National Park, about 15 miles south of downtown Cleveland, on Monday. After leaving the park, they tried to initiate the explosives using a text-message detonation code, and they called the person who provided the bombs to check the code when it failed, according to the FBI affidavit.

This is why the FBI handles investigations this way. If the FBI just watched and let them acquire real explosives there's no way to know if they really intended to use them. It makes a much stronger legal case to have then actually go through with the attack plan without endangering the public.

139 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:23:20am

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Believe it or not I'm a liberal.

I don't, and I'm not. But whatever.

140 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:24:02am

Also:

Mitch McConnell & The Chamber of Commerce Tell The Supreme Court To Double Down On Citizens United

The Supreme Court is currently considering whether to hear a case that will enable it to correct its error in Citizens United and overrule its indefensible decision to allow unlimited corporate and other wealthy donor money to influence elections. Neither the corporate lobby nor the Senate’s top Republican are eager to see this occur, however. Both of them filed briefs in the Supreme Court yesterday urging the justices to not only reaffirm Citizens United, but to do so without even hearing argument in the case.

141 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:24:44am

re: #137 Lidane

Wheee!

Top Romney Economic Adviser Takes Ideas Of Donor Who Wants More Income Inequality ‘Seriously’

Who is this asshole to want inequality. Sounds like a feudal lord. In other words, perfect for Mitt's team.

142 lawhawk  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:25:31am

re: #134 Gus

Well, it is a relatively slow news day. Other than the fact that Assad continues killing Syrians (and the rebels keep fighting back) but Assad has time to talk chess with a grand master as his nation is embroiled in open revolt.

Egyptian security forces clashed with protesters leaving around 10 people dead. Fatouh suspended his campaign in protest.

Islamist presidential candidate Abdel-Moneim Aboul Fotouh announced on his Twitter account that he was suspending his campaign, and said the state “must protect peaceful demonstrations.”
Police and military forces were deployed to halt the violence hours after the clashes erupted, Nile News reported. Many of the protesters were supporters of Hazem Abou Ismail, the Salafi lawyer-turned-cleric who was disqualified from the presidential race because his mother held U.S. citizenship before her death. Abou Ismail has criticized the move as an attempt to sideline him from the race.

Seif Abu Samra, the head of the prosecutor’s office in the Cairo neighborhood of Waili, said that many of the dead had gunshot wounds.
Mursi’s comments reflect the Brotherhood’s ongoing battle with the military council over who is to blame for the country’s woes. The showdown has mired Egypt in political paralysis, with a panel to draft the new constitution disbanded, a $3.2 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund delayed by political wrangling and the constitutional court due to rule May 6 on the legitimacy of the parliament.

143 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:26:17am

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Because a liberal looks at Mitt Romney and thinks he's a moderate.

144 Kronocide  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:26:26am

Nice post Gus, despite the OWSDS concern.

For such an irrelevant bunch of miscreants and outcasts OWS sure does get a lot of coverage.

145 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:26:26am

re: #134 Gus

It'd be nice if people who are focused on the assholishness of OWS could take some time to recognize that the actual GOP is just as, or more, economically and socially radical, and that they have real power. Instead, we're treated to bullshit like claims that Romney is a moderate.

146 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:26:45am

re: #136 NJDhockeyfan

Did you see the pictures of what they found in Seattle?

Police seize 70 items from protesters

No guns? Why no guns? I thought it wasn't a true American protest if there are no guns. I heard that from a TeaParty teabagger.

147 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:26:50am

re: #136 NJDhockeyfan

Did you see the pictures of what they found in Seattle?

Police seize 70 items from protesters

Interesting stuff. I think those TP rolls have road flares in them.

148 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:28:08am

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Believe it or not I'm a liberal.

Well, I consider liberalism to be center-right on economics, so sure, it probably applies to you.

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:29:14am

re: #145 Obdicut

It'd be nice if people who are focused on the assholishness of OWS could take some time to recognize that the actual GOP is just as, or more, economically and socially radical, and that they have real power. Instead, we're treated to bullshit like claims that Romney is a moderate.

Jup, good point. If Romney is a moderate, OWS are saints.

150 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:30:02am

Here, Gus, this is something totally different:

If you visit San Francisco, check out some of my aunt-in-law's (sorta-- my brother's wife's aunt) mosaics.

I really like her stuff.

[Link: www.colettecrutcher.com...]

151 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:30:48am

re: #145 Obdicut

It'd be nice if people who are focused on the assholishness of OWS could take some time to recognize that the actual GOP is just as, or more, economically and socially radical, and that they have real power. Instead, we're treated to bullshit like claims that Romney is a moderate.

It's just a straw man. OWS is presented here as way of throwing these violent acts in our face and then expecting us to respond automatically. This was due to our initial support of OWS. Then these same people will say "if we're silent then we must approve." It's not really about OWS and instead is more of an internal LGF power struggle being pushed by a once popular LGF member that finds himself on the fringes for pushing contrarian views not on principle but as a form of social sport.

152 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:30:51am

Hmm, you could have a lot of fun with "Zero Sum" legislation rules.

Amend the Constitution - you have to take another Amendment out. I assume the big targets of this one would be about anything between the 15th and 19th. Marriage amendment in, income tax out...

It's a stupid concept. Tries to treat the country, environment and the legal system as something static that you just shift slightly to deal with changes. But I guess it's something to fight for when the status quo is the goal and the constant basis for talking points is that this is the way to hold back the tide of barbarians attempting to destroy the country and culture.

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:31:36am

re: #134 Gus

Well. It look like nothing but OWS this morning at LGF. What a boring way to spend the morning.

Ohkay, how 'bout this:

As long as its facilities are not bomb-proof, "the program is too vulnerable, in Iran's view. If the supreme religious leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei wants, he will advance it to the acquisition of a nuclear bomb, but the decision must first be taken. It will happen if Khamenei judges that he is invulnerable to a response. I believe he would be making an enormous mistake, and I don't think he will want to go the extra mile. I think the Iranian leadership is composed of very rational people. But I agree that such a capability, in the hands of Islamic fundamentalists who at particular moments could make different calculations, is dangerous."

IDF chief of staff.

154 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:32:44am

re: #151 Gus

There were only a handful of people that ever 'supported' OWS here, anyway. I never did. I think both in style and substance it was critically flawed. But it's very easy to be a critic; to date, I've yet to mobilize a pro-science groundswell of popular support to educate and inform the public. Maybe after lunch.

155 lawhawk  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:36:53am

South Korea blames North Korea for jamming GPS signals affecting flights in and out of Incheon Airport.

Jamming signals thought to be from North Korea have affected GPS navigation on at least 250 flights, South Korean officials say.

Nine South Korean and nine foreign airlines have been affected since Saturday, the Transport Ministry said.

The flights had to rely on alternative navigation systems but were in no danger, the ministry added.

The South has accused the North - with which it remains technically at war - of similar incidents in the past.

"We've confirmed the GPS [global positioning system] jamming signals have been stemming from the North," Lee Kyung-woo, deputy director at Seoul's Korea Communications Commission, was quoted by Agence-France Presse news agency as saying.

The transport ministry has not set out who was to blame. But director Kim Choon-oh told the agency the GPS disruption was noticeable at Incheon international airport.

156 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:38:22am

It’s not easy being a Wall Street gazillionaire these days
By Greg Sargent

Nick Confessore of the New York Times has a big story in the forthcoming Sunday magazine about Obama’s sour relations with Wall Street and the impact it’s having on fundraising.

Buried in the story is an extraordinary anecdote: Wall Streeters are so upset about Obama’s harsh populist rhetoric that they privattely called on him to make amends with a big speech — like his oration on race — designed to heal the wounds of class warfare in this country.

Obama campaign manager Jim Messina recently met with a group of Wall Street donors, and they gave him an earful:

For the next hour, the donors relayed to Messina what their friends had been saying. They felt unfairly demonized for being wealthy. They felt scapegoated for the recession...

Greg clinches it...

Where to begin? Wall Street excess helped lead to the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, inflicting untold economic suffering on millions and millions of Americans. In both rhetorical and substantive terms, the Obama administration’s response was by any reasonable measure moderate and restrained. Indeed, Obama clearly viewed himself as a buffer between Wall Street and rising populist passion, telling a group of bankers in April of 2009: “My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”

157 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:40:19am

re: #154 Obdicut

Occupy was the small part of the LA May1 marches anyway. The fact they brought vehicles into the march gave it a bigger look. The big march was the immigration/union sponsored march. The "south" wind of the supposed four winds plan. May 1st is always big for Latino rights protests.

158 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:42:28am

Good Grief, step away from the tanning booth lady...

The Mummy Returns?

New Jersey mom arrested after allegedly taking daughter, 5, into tanning booth

She claims that she didn't, but I have to say that with an obvious obsession for tanning like she has it makes it a little harder to believe her.

159 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:42:30am

re: #148 Simply Sarah

Well, I consider liberalism to be center-right on economics, so sure, it probably applies to you.

I wish someone would clean up our language for political labels. Liberal and conservative are confusing enough but American Libertarians hive almost nothing in common with Libertarian philosophy. It's a mess.

160 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:43:11am

re: #158 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Good Grief, step away from the tanning booth lady...

The Mummy Returns?

She claims that she didn't, but I have to say that with an obvious obsession for tanning like she has it makes it a little harder to believe her.

Yikes!

161 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:43:54am

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Yikes!

Yikes is right.

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:44:33am

re: #156 Gus

It’s not easy being a Wall Street gazillionaire these days
By Greg Sargent

Greg clinches it...

There are more than a few folks here in Madison that would love an opportunity to teach Wall Street what the words Decimation and Defenistration actually mean. I don't think they understand just how deep the hatred runs out here in the rust belt. All it's going to take is someone with the charisma of an Obama or Bill Clinton, the Falangist ideology of Santorum and the economics of Laup Nor & it could get very very messy in this country.

163 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:47:26am

Hmm. A little ignorance goes a long way. I didn't know there was a 27th Amendment to the US Constitution. And it had been ratified back in 1992. Interesting, and long, time in getting it made official.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

164 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:47:41am

re: #162 William Barnett-Lewis

There are more than a few folks here in Madison that would love an opportunity to teach Wall Street what the words Decimation and Defenistration actually mean. I don't think they understand just how deep the hatred runs out here in the rust belt. All it's going to take is someone with the charisma of an Obama or Bill Clinton, the Falangist ideology of Santorum and the economics of Laup Nor & it could get very very messy in this country.

Speaking of Luap Nor, one thing that should be pointed out to them is there are no examples of an economy our size being successful on Austrian school economics. Austrian school economics would be a disaster.

165 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:49:36am

re: #163 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Hmm. A little ignorance goes a long way. I didn't know there was a 27th Amendment to the US Constitution. And it had been ratified back in 1992. Interesting, and long, time in getting it made official.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yeah it's pretty wild. Imagine if the Bill of Rights still needed to be ratified.

166 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:55:37am

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Interesting stuff. I think those TP rolls have road flares in them.

I wonder what they expected that roll of lighters to do.

167 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:58:27am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Luap Nor, one thing that should be pointed out to them is there are no examples of an economy our size being successful on Austrian school economics. Austrian school economics would be a disaster.

Nothing like a school of economics that rejects empirical study claiming that the subject is too complex to model behavior with an workable results.

168 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:59:28am

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder what they expected that roll of lighters to do.

I was wondering about that too. I linked to video yesterday of them trying to set stores on fire using what appeared to be bundled road flares. That lighter contraption just looks stupid.

169 Flounder  Wed, May 2, 2012 8:59:50am

re: #107 Simply Sarah

I hate the Illinois Nazis

170 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:00:02am

re: #167 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Nothing like a school of economics that rejects empirical study claiming that the subject is too complex to model behavior with an workable results.

Yep. Anyhow, I've often felt that Luap Nor fans/American libertarians are some of the most idealistic people out there.

171 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:03:33am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Luap Nor, one thing that should be pointed out to them is there are no examples of an economy our size being successful on Austrian school economics. Austrian school economics would be a disaster.

Ugh. I used to argue with a guy who was a dyed-in-the-wool Paultard and devotee of the Mises Institute. He'd post endlessly about praxeology and about how the only function of government was to protect the borders, but that everything else, including police, the courts, and all emergency services should be privatized.

He also thought Somalia was a model system because they don't have a government and they're still around because of an innate social contract or some shit. I had to consistently point out that a bunch of people living in fear of a bunch of tribal warlords with guns aren't actually free.

172 Flounder  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:04:41am

Mother of the Year award goes to:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

173 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:05:26am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Yep. Anyhow, I've often felt that Luap Nor fans/American libertarians are some of the most idealistic people out there.

Idealistic and stupid in equal measure. They're convinced that if you privatize everything, go back on the gold standard, and "let the market decide" that we'd all end up right where we are now, or that we'd magically live in a place where everyone is rich and the world doesn't have any problems.

174 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:05:31am

"Naughty Banks Need a Spanking"
~sez Money Bunny

175 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:05:47am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Yep. Anyhow, I've often felt that Luap Nor fans/American libertarians are some of the most idealistic people out there.

I personally think that some sort of "happy" equilibrium has to be reached. Total idealism seems to drift in fanaticism and/or completely losing touch with reality into some sort of fantasy of how things should be "if only...". On the other extreme total realism (or at least a sort of realpolitik outlook) are some of the worst people you can encounter. Living life as a zero-sum game* is something I don't really contemplate well. Too many social relationships there where trust and goals for general improvement are helpful to both the society and the personality.

* - Wait, isn't "every man for himself" one of the primary tenets of Buddhism?

176 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:11:33am

re: #172 Tommy's cone of shame

Mother of the Year award goes to:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Image: alien_37.jpg

177 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:13:25am

re: #173 Lidane

Maybe I am too cynical, but I just see them as self-absorbed assholes. Granted, I have been so busy with school that I haven't had the time to pick my meds, but I think I have said this when I have been on meds.

178 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:14:41am

re: #177 ProGunLiberal

Maybe I am too cynical, but I just see them as self-absorbed assholes.

That tends to be part and parcel of libertarian thought. "Fuck you, I got mine" tends to be its default state.

179 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:15:33am

Pig poo power the answer to China's porky poser?

(Reuters) - Seven hundred million pigs produce a lot of poo.

China's love of pork presents a mountain of a problem for the environment, 1.4 million metric tons (1.5 million tons) of pig poo a year to be precise, but an Australian company believes it has part of the answer.

Why not turn the pig poo into power?

Using a bioreactor called "PooCareTM" and other technology, the pig manure is converted into biofuel for cooking and heating while the residual goes to farmers as nutrient-rich fertilizers.

"The benefits are energy and fuel for farmers as well as preventing further contamination of the environment," said Ravi Naidu, chief scientist at CRC for Contamination Assessment and Remediation of the Environment (CRC Care), a South Australian-based firm involved in drawing up the technology.

"So it's really a green technology from that perspective," Naidu, a University of South Australia professor, told Reuters.

Pork, the most universal animal.

Mmmmmm...bacon.

180 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:18:44am

Occupy SF Protester Throws Brick Off Roof Hits One of His Own


Bad aim
181 Flounder  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:20:17am

re: #179 NJDhockeyfan

Mad Max knows all about pig poo

182 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:22:14am

Here's the female cop getting hit in the head.
Cheap Shot On Cop

183 RogueOne  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:24:14am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

What is it about people and video cameras? He was filming it right up until it busted him in the head. Did he think he was watching a little tv as the brick was headed right at him?

184 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:24:15am

*sigh*

Pawlenty Attacks Obama’s ‘Arbitrary Deadlines’ In Afghanistan

Tim Pawlenty, national co-chair of the Romney campaign, said on CNN Wednesday morning that Mitt Romney would not have laid out a timetable for withdrawing from Afghanistan, as President Obama detailed Tuesday.Obama announced from Afghanistan that he and Afghan President Karzai signed an agreement detailing the U.S.’s role in Afghanistan after the departure of U.S. troops in 2014.

“Well, Gov. Romney said 2014 may be an appropriate timetable, but let’s not announce it ahead of time for those who don’t have America’s interest at heart,” Pawlenty said. “That’s what President Obama has done. Gov. Romney would have taken a different approach and planned and executed those plans in private.”

185 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:24:54am

re: #183 RogueOne

What is it about people and video cameras? He was filming it right up until it busted him in the head. Did he think he was watching a little tv as the brick was headed right at him?

He should upgrade to a 3D camera.

186 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:26:32am

re: #183 RogueOne

What is it about people and video cameras? He was filming it right up until it busted him in the head. Did he think he was watching a little tv as the brick was headed right at him?

I guess it's a gamble. The guy behind him was also filming and now has a potential viral video. You just have to hope somebody else gets hit.

187 lawhawk  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:28:11am

re: #184 Lidane

The deals can be extended upon mutually agreed upon terms; it's similar to the way the US entered into status of forces agreement with Iraq. The deadline was set by the Bush Administration, the Obama Administration entered into negotiations to extend the time, but refused to give up exclusive rights to try criminal acts by military personnel (the Administration wanted immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts for its forces operating in Iraq). When they couldn't come to terms, the deal in place holds the withdrawal date.

2014 may be a reasonable time frame and both sides can revisit the deal thereafter.

188 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:29:56am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

I guess it's a gamble. The guy behind him was also filming and now has a potential viral video. You just have to hope somebody else gets hit.

They should pass out hard hats near occupied buildings.

189 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:30:45am

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190 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:32:14am

re: #177 ProGunLiberal

Maybe I am too cynical, but I just see them as self-absorbed assholes. Granted, I have been so busy with school that I haven't had the time to pick my meds, but I think I have said this when I have been on meds.

That's part of it but they do sincerely believe and wrongly I should emphasize that a puny government is the best. When are your finals by the way? Times where I kind of miss being an undergrad but I like getting paid too.

191 dragonath  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:32:21am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Maybe it's like Krazy Kat and they secretly love each other...

192 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:41:51am

NYT:

Cuba May Be the Most Feminist Country in Latin America

NEW YORK — Cuba may just be the most feminist country in Latin America.

It ranks No. 3 in the world when it comes to the political participation of women in Parliament, according to a United Nations survey on women in politics. And it’s the only nation in Latin America to rank in the top 20 in the World Economic Forum Global Gender Gap Report 2011.

In sheer numbers and percentages, Cuban women’s advance is notable. Cuba has a high number of female professional and technical workers (60 percent of the total work force in those areas) and in Parliament (43 percent), as well as high levels of primary, secondary and tertiary education enrollment, according to the Gender Gap report.

Beside the beatings, torture, and firing-squads Cuba is a swell place for women to live!

193 lawhawk  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:50:26am

Top 21 members of Congress who look like Muppets. Heh. Scooter isn't orange enough to cover for Sen. Boehner.

194 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 9:53:31am

re: #193 lawhawk

Top 21 members of Congress who look like Muppets. Heh. Scooter isn't orange enough to cover for Sen. Boehner.

Gerry Connolly represent. Seriously funny list.

195 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:00:22am

Unearthed: George Zimmerman’s MySpace Page

The page was unearthed Wednesday by the Miami Herald, which confirmed its authenticity with Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara.

On it, Zimmerman went by the alias Joe G. and username onlytobekingagain. The newspaper noted that this account is different than another one that was disabled last month, which had the username datniggytb.

In a long, rambling “About Me” section of the site, Zimmerman, who would have been in his early 20s when the site was active, wrote that he missed his friends in Manassas, Va., where he grew up and went to high school. But there were things he said he didn’t miss.

“I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book,” Zimmerman wrote. “Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!”

196 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:01:44am

Stalkers are all butthurt about having their twitter accounts suspended
[Link: twitter.com...]

197 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:02:58am
198 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:04:19am

re: #196 Learned Mother of Zion

Stalkers are all butthurt about having their twitter accounts suspended
[Link: twitter.com...]

They need to lie less, maybe then somebody could give a fuck.

199 sagehen  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:04:43am

Oh, this will be helpful:

Next month's "Vanity Fair" has an excerpt from a book about Barak Obama's white ex-girlfriend.

[Link: livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

200 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:06:43am

re: #199 sagehen

Oh, this will be helpful:

Next month's "Vanity Fair" has an excerpt from a book about Barak Obama's white ex-girlfriend.

[Link: livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Maranis's Clemente biography was great. Hopefully his Obama one is decent.

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:07:29am

re: #199 sagehen

He confessed to her that at times “he felt like an imposter. Because he was so white. There was hardly a black bone in his body.”

Of course, things like this should be like honey to those wingnuts who see him as a black radical, yet they will use it to try to create a split between him and black voters (good luck with that).

202 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:10:10am

re: #201 May Day! May Day!

Of course, things like this should be like honey to those wingnuts who see him as a black radical, yet they will use it to try to create a split between him and black voters (good luck with that).

Probably. It's a ridiculous line of attack, since that excerpt simply seems to suggest that, gasp, he was a young man struggling to find his place in the world. That never happens to "real" black kids.

204 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:11:03am
205 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:12:45am
206 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:13:52am

re: #203 Kragar

Georgia Governor Approves Ban On Abortions After 20 Weeks With No Exception For Rape Or Incest

But Mitt Romney told me Obama has the real war on women.// By the way what's up with this stuff? I know the Republicans have been anti abortion for a while now but many of them at least in the past seemed to accept "in case of rape and incest." I can't imagine the mental hell a woman carrying her rapist's child goes through.

207 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:14:52am

re: #196 Learned Mother of Zion

Stalkers are all butthurt about having their twitter accounts suspended
[Link: twitter.com...]

They cut mine off too!

Wait a minute, I never had one...nevermind.

208 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:16:00am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

By the way what's up with this stuff? I know the Republicans have been anti abortion for a while now but many of them at least in the past seemed to accept "in case of rape and incest."

It's an election year and the GOP is going to have a candidate that the religious nutjobs hate because they think he's part of a cult that's just a half-step above Satanic.

Something's got to get the RWNJs to the polls, since it won't be the guy at the top of the ticket. Ergo, we're going to see a lot of this crazed shit just to get the base motivated.

209 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:16:45am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

But Mitt Romney told me Obama has the real war on women.// By the way what's up with this stuff? I know the Republicans have been anti abortion for a while now but many of them at least in the past seemed to accept "in case of rape and incest." I can't imagine the mental hell a woman carrying her rapist's child goes through.

Answer to first half: Welcome to the slide towards further extremism and the chipping away at the right to have an abortion.

About carrying you rapist's child: That is really up to each individual rape victim. Forcing a woman to carry the child is disgusting and wrong, but not all raped women are going to want to abort or even suffer from the getting pregnant aspect.

210 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:17:28am

re: #208 Lidane

It's an election year and the GOP is going to have a candidate that the religious nutjobs hate because they think he's part of a cult that's just a half-step above Satanic.

Something's got to get the RWNJs to the polls, since it won't be the guy at the top of the ticket. Ergo, we're going to see a lot of this crazed shit just to get the base motivated.

Yeah I guess. Just insane. Of course, these are the same idiots who think it was baby killing joy that made USSC rule in favor of Roe.

211 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:17:32am

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

They cut mine off too!

Wait a minute, I never had one...nevermind.

I used twitter for a little while. It's useful on rare occasions but I really can't seem to find a purpose for it. Mostly squabbling and chit chat. It's hard to find interesting news or articles.

212 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:18:02am

Amendment One Pastor: "‘Crack’ Your Four-Year-Old Son’s Limp Wrist" says he was misquoted, taken out of context

By now you may know that my words, from Sunday morning's sermon, about effeminate behavior in children are being completely taken out of context by those in the LGBT community. (Nearly every article is misquoting me.)

Clearly, I would like to have been more careful with exactly what I said, but sometimes I say things without enough clarity. I trust you understood my intent in the context of my total preaching ministry. If you did not, I would be more than happy to meet with you privately to provide clarity. Just reply to this email. I provided clarity to the Fayetteville Observer today, but I cannot be sure they will accurately report my words.

For the record, I want to ensure everyone that I do NOT believe physical force is capable of fixing effeminate behavior or homosexual behavior. Parents should not punch babies or children. (Ultimately only the gospel of Jesus Christ has the power to deliver one from sexual immorality and behavior including effeminacy; )

Transcript of his original statement:

"So your little son starts to act a little girlish when he is four years old and instead of squashing that like a cockroach and saying, “Man up, son, get that dress off you and get outside and dig a ditch, because that is what boys do,” you get out the camera and you start taking pictures of Johnny acting like a female and then you upload it to YouTube and everybody laughs about it and the next thing you know, this dude, this kid is acting out childhood fantasies that should have been squashed.
Can I make it any clearer? Dads, the second you see your son dropping the limp wrist, you walk over there and crack that wrist. Man up. Give him a good punch. Ok? You are not going to act like that. You were made by God to be a male and you are going to be a male. And when your daughter starts acting to Butch you reign her in. And you say, “Oh, no, sweetheart. You can play sports. Play them to the glory of God. But sometimes you are going to act like a girl and walk like a girl and talk like a girl and smell like a girl and that means you are going to be beautiful. You are going to be attractive. You are going to dress yourself up.”
You say, “Can I take charge like that as a parent?”
Yeah, you can. You are authorized. I just gave you a special dispensation this morning to do that."

213 funky chicken  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:19:15am

re: #85 Gus

In all seriousness. I always found Up with People kind of scary.

Yup, creepy.

214 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:19:30am

re: #209 Simply Sarah

Answer to first half: Welcome to the slide towards further extremism and the chipping away at the right to have an abortion.

About carrying you rapist's child: That is really up to each individual rape victim. Forcing a woman to carry the child is disgusting and wrong, but not all raped women are going to want to abort or even suffer from the getting pregnant aspect.

Oh, I agree it's up to the individual which is why forcing is wrong. If some woman wants to carry to full term, that's their right, and I understand the decision. Just as I understand the woman who chooses to abort.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:19:45am

re: #24 May Day! May Day!

How did Spain get involved with this?

216 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:20:22am

re: #212 Kragar

Amendment One Pastor: "‘Crack’ Your Four-Year-Old Son’s Limp Wrist" says he was misquoted, taken out of context

Transcript of his original statement:

This guy is fucked up. By the way, more of the usual bullshit projecting on gay and lesbians. A gay man is only effeminate and a lesbian woman is only masculine.

217 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:20:32am

re: #212 Kragar

What a fucking liar. No surprise, really.

218 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:20:55am

re: #209 Simply Sarah

Answer to first half: Welcome to the slide towards further extremism and the chipping away at the right to have an abortion.

About carrying you rapist's child: That is really up to each individual rape victim. Forcing a woman to carry the child is disgusting and wrong, but not all raped women are going to want to abort or even suffer from the getting pregnant aspect.

God wants to make sure rapists have kids too.

219 funky chicken  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:21:06am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

My son loves Twitter, but he's 15. I think most of the stuff on there matches his maturity level pretty well.

220 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:21:11am

re: #212 Kragar

Amendment One Pastor: "‘Crack’ Your Four-Year-Old Son’s Limp Wrist" says he was misquoted, taken out of context

Transcript of his original statement:

Look, I don't care what the context was for his statements (Although I do admit I was somewhat bothered by the lack of one), what he said can only be taken as, at best, bigoted, sexist, and utterly heteronormative.

221 lawhawk  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:21:33am

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

The rain stayed mainly on the plain in Spain of course. /

222 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:21:44am

re: #217 Obdicut

What a fucking liar. No surprise, really.

I'm guessing he counts on most of his parishioners not being able to actually read.

223 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:23:19am

OK, I interrupted my Skyrim play in mid-Jan, now trying to continue. Awkward.

224 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:24:04am

re: #223 May Day! May Day!

OK, I interrupted my Skyrim play in mid-Jan, now trying to continue. Awkward.

That's all? Newbie. I've dropped games for over a year before picking them back up.
/

225 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:25:15am

re: #223 May Day! May Day!

OK, I interrupted my Skyrim play in mid-Jan, now trying to continue. Awkward.

I'm still busy with TOR for now.

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:25:31am

re: #67 Unlike Some People

I don't know why you think that. If you think that the formal use of "in the year of our Lord" is any less secular than AD, I think you are fantasizing.

Kinda reminds me of the people arguing that the symbol denoting a date of death in encyclopedias is a dagger and not a cross, so it shouldn't offend Muslims or Jews.

It's simply another way that Christianity is deeply woven into the entire culture of the Christian world. I wouldn't say that "AD" is secular, it's simply used in a secular way because if we didn't, we'd have to use that bizarre calender the French revolutionaries put together.

What I actually dislike deeply is "BCE", "CE". Cool, we will still start history from Christ's birth, but we will call it something else to make it sound more inclusive and shit. I use it, but I don't have to like it.

227 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:26:31am

re: #224 Simply Sarah

I still have that Geneforge 3 save I made 4-5 years ago. I have a creeping suspicion I might not try to load it...//

228 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:27:06am

re: #219 funky chicken

My son loves Twitter, but he's 15. I think most of the stuff on there matches his maturity level pretty well.

It depends on how you use it. Twitter has a lot of reach in terms of business in terms of getting a conversation going about your product or service, or in getting traffic to a site or whatever, but it's not an easy road to navigate. Most users are savvy enough to know when they're being sold to and it's extremely easy to lose the plot of your conversation to others.

229 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:27:07am

re: #219 funky chicken

My son loves Twitter, but he's 15. I think most of the stuff on there matches his maturity level pretty well.

I think that's what most people use it for. Chatting with friends, deciding where to meet for lunch, etc.

230 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:29:15am

Mother of accused in bridge bomb plot speaks out

She added that she's been afraid of her son for some time, but did her best to guide him.

"I've tried to minister him, just talk to him and say, 'Josh these people are going to get you into some really bad stuff.'"

His mother said that she took Stafford to and from Occupy movements and that her son was a self-proclaimed anarchist.

"He felt like [with Occupy Cleveland] he was part of a group, something bigger than himself." She describes her son as being violent, at times abusive.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:31:30am

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Well, It looks like my prediction about the end of OWS might be wrong. Early reactions seem relatively positive. Lefty blogs seem unbothered by the terrorism and the national MSM is reporting even the more violent protests in Seattle and Oakland as "mostly peaceful" but local press is a bit more unkind. Crowd sizes were respectable. Looks like OWS may continue.

Occupy Oakland has simply become a rallying point for a loose coalition of folks ranging from normal community activists to baby wannabe anarchists who would have made Emma Goldman lose her lunch, with a lot of more sinister people packed in.

They have no control, and they have no taste. They've become other people's rallying cry.

Here, it's basically over, unless they can come up with a new schtick. Trashing small businesses on May Day does not count as a schtick. The Black Bloc does that just sort of reflexively.

Elsewhere in the country I do not know.

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:32:52am

re: #102 lawhawk

Anarchists are not interchangeable with OWS. Some anarchists might be using OWS as cover, but not all OWS are anarchists.

It's a significant distinction.

Its sort of not, unless OWS can find ways in which to distinguish themselves and their agenda from the people clustering around them.

It could happen, but not, I'm going to guess, in the Bay Area.

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:33:36am

re: #109 ReamWorks SKG

Greetings from Mitzpe Ramon, deep in the Negev,

We're staying here until tomorrow AM, then it's two days in Jerusalem

[Link: www.isrotelexclusivecollection.com...]

What have I missed back in the USA?

Not a lot. How's the weather?

234 gwangung  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:34:22am

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

Its sort of not, unless OWS can find ways in which to distinguish themselves and their agenda from the people clustering around them.

Not that the Tea Party ever needed that distinction from their own wackos.

235 dragonath  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:35:38am

Romney camp criticises British PM's Obama 'love-in' ahead of Olympic visit

If this is true, is the Romney campaign ever thin skinned.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:36:55am

re: #135 Obdicut

I can only judge by my posse back in San Francisco, who are angry about the black bloc dudes 'ruining everything like usual'. It takes a lot of organizational skill and discipline to actually get the black bloc dudes out of any protest group, though. Anything that's open-invitation is inevitably going to get them coming along.

Except that we've been having May Day events for a very long time in SF, and I don't know, maybe I'm blocking it out, but I don't recall this sort of acting out at most of 'em.

237 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:37:22am

Damn washing machine broke. The pump crapped out and it's full of water. I really don't want to spend my afternoon draining it and taking it apart attempting some sort of cheap DIY repair.

238 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:38:18am

re: #235 Be Zorch, Daddio

Romney camp criticises British PM's Obama 'love-in' ahead of Olympic visit

If this is true, is the Romney campaign ever thin skinned.

Oh for fuck's sake. Cameron was polite and gave a complimentary toast during a banquet. Romneybot HQ needs to get over it.

239 jaunte  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:39:34am

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Next project for your pioneer living experiment:
[Link: www.pioneerliving.net...]

240 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:41:25am

re: #235 Be Zorch, Daddio

Romney camp criticises British PM's Obama 'love-in' ahead of Olympic visit

If this is true, is the Romney campaign ever thin skinned.

They need pacifiers over at Romney HQ. By the way so much for the RW myth that foreign leaders don't respect Obama. See that McCain complained in the past too.

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:41:34am

re: #234 gwangung

Not that the Tea Party ever needed that distinction from their own wackos.

True, but the Tea Party was not a grassroots movement, as we pointed out ad nauseam during their heyday. They had an agenda, a plan, and funding.

242 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:41:40am

Completely OT, but if anyone is looking for a computer to buy for your niece or daughter or grand-daughter for graduation, let me know. I've got my gaming rig up for sale to pay the bills, and I can send the info to you.

243 dragonfire1981  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:42:31am

Sign on home of an evangelical in my area: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE ABORTION

244 funky chicken  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:43:28am

re: #220 Simply Sarah

Look, I don't care what the context was for his statements (Although I do admit I was somewhat bothered by the lack of one), what he said can only be taken as, at best, bigoted, sexist, and utterly heteronormative.

I'll just call it advocating for child abuse and move on. My kids grew up doing kid stuff. My son loved to skip and pick flowers when he was little, and my daughter loved to read and play with books and stuffed animals, but wasn't ever into dolls. Both my kids loved the toy kitchen and fake food.

Both are now happy, well adjusted teenagers. Shockingly, neither is homosexual...of course if one was, I wouldn't care.

But this guy is preaching child abuse and probably influencing a lot of parents to mistreat young children for acting like young children.

245 funky chicken  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:44:54am

re: #235 Be Zorch, Daddio

Romney camp criticises British PM's Obama 'love-in' ahead of Olympic visit

If this is true, is the Romney campaign ever thin skinned.

Snort. That's the way to "restore" relations with our international allies.

246 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:44:56am

re: #243 dragonfire1981

Sign on home of an evangelical in my area: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE ABORTION

Apparently no such thing as a rational evangelical either.

247 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:45:38am

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, no. They weren't very high-profile. Now they are. The black-bloc guys tend to flock to what's cool. Halloween also used to be a chill event, now it's all stabby and shootey.

My point wasn't at all that this happens every year, but that it's a well-known bunch that's doing the rioting, and I think they're drawn just because there's lots of media attention for it now, rather than it somehow springing out of Occupy. I don't think Occupy radicalized anyone.

248 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:45:42am

re: #239 jaunte

Next project for your pioneer living experiment:
[Link: www.pioneerliving.net...]

lol. Back to basics!

249 jaunte  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:46:10am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

I think they should market it as an upper-body workout machine.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:47:06am

re: #247 Obdicut

I don't think Occupy radicalized anyone.

I can agree wholeheartedly.

251 allegro  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:49:01am

re: #243 dragonfire1981

Sign on home of an evangelical in my area: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE ABORTION

Should be this sign across the street:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE PREGNANCY.

252 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:49:38am

re: #249 jaunte

I think they should market it as an upper-body workout machine.

My house is a bit over 100 years old. I still have those oversized cement sinks for laundry in the basement. It was built with electricity but I guess the automatic washing machines weren't widely available yet.

253 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:51:10am

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

I am honestly really upset about the way that Halloween got ruined. I guess it was inevitable but there was about a decade where it was just the best party. I think right after '89, when the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence did their charity drive for the victims of the earthquake was the high point.

254 jaunte  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:51:17am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Sounds like you have the right setup. I don't think the hand-washing tubs would fit in my tiny little laundry/mud room.

255 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:53:08am

Assault with a deadly instrument!
Police Looking for Man Who Hit Officer With a Drum

The suspect stepped past the officer then swung what appears to be a metal snare drum into the back of her head. The suspect then “disappeared into the crowd,” Smith said. "But what a despicable act, for someone to pick the smallest officer out there and hit her from behind with a drum."
Police Chief Charlie Beck plans to address the incident at a 3 p.m. press conference today. The suspect is wanted for assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer, Smith said.

With bonus bomb threat....

There was one arrest Downtown, of a 34-year-old woman who allegedly made a false bomb threat outside the Bank of America at Seventh and Figueroa streets, said Lt. Paul Vernon.
After the Bomb Squad determined that the woman did not have a bomb, she was arrested. Bail is set at $20,000.

256 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:54:45am
257 erik_t  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:56:59am

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel

A year ago today, as it happened at LGF

A strange night, that was. Really solidified in my mind that confirmation of news events still comes from formal news agencies, but my news really doesn't.

258 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 10:59:31am

re: #257 erik_t

A strange night, that was. Really solidified in my mind that confirmation of news events still comes from formal news agencies, but my news really doesn't.

People were celebrating outside my apartment on campus. And yeah the story really shows how news has changed.

259 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:01:17am

Wife Of NC Amendment One Supporter: Husband Wrote Bill To Preserve ‘Caucasian Race’

The wife of a sponsor of North Carolina’s Amendment One, a proposed change to the state’s constitution that would ensure legal recognition only for marriage between a man and a woman, reportedly offered an eyebrow-raising explanation for her husband’s support of the measure.

Jodie Brunstetter, the wife of state Sen. Peter Brunstetter (R), has found herself embroiled in controversy after suggesting that her husband’s role in writing the bill — which passed the Republican-controlled general assembly last fall — was racially motivated.

According to the alternative Yes! Weekly, which picked up the remarks from freelance journalist and activist Chad Nance, Jodie Brunstetter told a poll worker in Winston-Salem, N.C. Monday that the reason her husband “wrote Amendment 1 was because the Caucasian race is diminishing and we need to uh, reproduce.”

260 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:03:02am
261 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:05:44am

re: #260 Simply Sarah

She sounds confused. Very confused.

She should have had one of her menfolk at hand to tell her what to say.
/

262 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:05:45am
263 erik_t  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:05:54am
Jodie Brunstetter told a poll worker in Winston-Salem, N.C. Monday that the reason her husband “wrote Amendment 1 was because the Caucasian race is diminishing and we need to uh, reproduce."

Supposing this were a thing that needed to be done, how is this bizarre? Let me count the ways:
1) There are obviously no non-heterosexual non-whites.
2) Obviously, additionally illegalizing gay marriage will make all homosexual people enter heterosexual marriages, since life-long unmarried people do not exist.
3) Obviously, all heterosexual marriages result in children.

264 Lidane  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:05:58am

re: #259 Kragar

Wife Of NC Amendment One Supporter: Husband Wrote Bill To Preserve ‘Caucasian Race’

That sound you hear is her husband's staff having an aneurysm before having to figure out how to spin that.

265 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:06:18am

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel

My favorite
By Skandal
Fox News demands death certificate.

266 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:07:34am

re: #264 Lidane

That sound you hear is her husband's staff having an aneurysm before having to figure out how to spin that.

Drugs. Lots and lots of drugs. And a lack of sleep. And starving.

267 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:08:09am

re: #263 erik_t

Supposing this were a thing that needed to be done, how is this bizarre? Let me count the ways:
1) There are obviously no non-heterosexual non-whites.
2) Obviously, additionally illegalizing gay marriage will make all homosexual people enter heterosexual marriages, since life-long unmarried people do not exist.
3) Obviously, all heterosexual marriages result in children.

4) It would require whites only marry and have children with other whites.

268 erik_t  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:08:54am

re: #267 Kragar

4) It would require whites only marry and have children with other whites.

Isn't... isn't that how it works by default?

/^inf

269 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:08:54am

Let's play guess the excuse. Raise me up for "My remarks were taken out of context by the liberal media."

270 jaunte  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:08:57am

re: #264 Lidane

That sound you hear is her husband's staff having an aneurysm before having to figure out how to spin that.

"Right now I have some heat stroke going on. Um there has been lots of confusion."

It's the classic "I had heat stroke" defense!

271 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:09:46am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Let's play guess the excuse. Raise me up for "My remarks were taken out of context by the liberal media."

All Hail Hypnotoad!

272 wrenchwench  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:11:16am

re: #267 Kragar

4) It would require whites only marry and have children with other whites.

This is just the first step. The other requisite legislation will come [back] later.

273 dragonath  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:11:39am

re: #245 funky chicken

One of the funny things about this is how Romney's "Obama isn't Working" slogan is totally stolen from the British Conservatives' "Labour isn't Working" campaign.

Dweebs.

274 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:12:22am

re: #272 wrenchwench

This is just the first step. The other requisite legislation will come [back] later.

In the election held by land owners from certified pure bloodlines?

275 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:13:19am

re: #273 Be Zorch, Daddio

One of the funny things about this is how Romney's "Obama isn't Working" slogan is totally stolen from the British Conservative's "Labour isn't Working" campaign.

Dweebs.

Did we really expect Team Romney to be original?

276 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:13:39am

Gus let me know this morning that American Stinker was linking to an old LGF article about Obama, so I added an update especially for American Stinker visitors:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

277 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:16:26am

re: #276 Charles Johnson

Gus let me know this morning that American Stinker was linking to an old LGF article about Obama, so I added an update especially for American Stinker visitors:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Interesting, seems like what Obama was saying wasn't that different from Truman's comments made post war on civil rights.

278 wrenchwench  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:16:55am

re: #276 Charles Johnson

Gus let me know this morning that American Stinker was linking to an old LGF article about Obama, so I added an update especially for American Stinker visitors:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Maybe there should be separate updingy thingies for Updates.

279 dragonath  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:17:01am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

Knowing Romney, he probably thinks it's his.

280 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:17:49am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

Did we really expect Team Romney to be original?

Rum, Romney, and Rebellion was a close second.

281 Obdicut  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:19:09am

re: #276 Charles Johnson

We should be enduringly grateful to the black servicemen and women who served in the days before they were treated anything like equals. They served and fought and died for our country, in faith that it would improve, and we owe it to them to make that promise keep coming true.

282 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:19:33am

Breaking news that Junior Seau may have committed suicide this morning.

283 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:20:30am

re: #280 Kragar

Rum, Romney, and Rebellion was a close second.

Don't blame me, I voted for Butler-West.

284 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:22:05am

re: #282 Gus

Breaking news that Junior Seau may have committed suicide this morning.

Junior Seau: Shooting reported at Junior Seau's Oceanside home

285 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:22:19am

re: #282 Gus

Breaking news that Junior Seau may have committed suicide this morning.

Damn sad. I was sad as hell when Mike Flanagan (former Orioles pitcher) did last summer.

286 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:23:35am

re: #284 Kragar

Junior Seau: Shooting reported at Junior Seau's Oceanside home

TMZ is reporting him as dead and as a "suspected suicide."

287 Kragar  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:24:01am

Report of shooting at Junior Seau’s home

A 911 call reporting a possible suicide was made to police at 10 a.m., a dispatcher said.

A crowd including several police officers and neighbors has gathered outside Seau’s two-story home on the south end of The Strand.

288 Patricia Kayden  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:24:52am

Hopefully the Washington Times author who wrote that stupid article reads LGF and sees how silly his conspiracy theory really is. How is anyone supposed to take these people seriously?

289 lawhawk  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:36:38am

re: #286 Gus

He had that suspicious car crash back in 2010 when his car ran off a cliff, but he claimed he fell asleep and wasn't trying to kill himself.

Maybe it really was a suicide attempt back then.

Either way, real sad for his family and friends. He was an NFL legend.

And I hope that they carry out an autopsy and see if his death may have been due to repeated head trauma from the years of tackling and hits - giving even more evidence to the former and current NFL players suing the league over TBIs that have left far too many players incapacitated or debilitated over the years.

290 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:38:02am

Update on the video I linked to earlier...
Jesse Nesbitt, Accused Occupy Brick-Tosser, Previously Arrested for Bottle-Tossing

Nesbitt, 34, was arrested yesterday and booked for felony aggravated assault among other charges following the alleged brick-tossing escapade. If he is indeed the man who winged a heavy object at a city employee, it apparently isn't the first time. Back in November, a 34-year-old Jesse Nesbitt was arrested after allegedly flinging a bottle at a Department of Public Works employee steam-cleaning the occupied bocce ball courts, and informing the worker that "You are not coming in here."

Police claim Nesbitt admitted to hurling the bottle at the DPW employee, stating that occupiers could do their own cleaning up. He was booked on assault charges and for an outstanding warrant for an undisclosed transgression.

291 Gus  Wed, May 2, 2012 11:38:42am

re: #289 lawhawk

He had that suspicious car crash back in 2010 when his car ran off a cliff, but he claimed he fell asleep and wasn't trying to kill himself.

Maybe it really was a suicide attempt back then.

Either way, real sad for his family and friends. He was an NFL legend.

And I hope that they carry out an autopsy and see if his death may have been due to repeated head trauma from the years of tackling and hits - giving even more evidence to the former and current NFL players suing the league over TBIs that have left far too many players incapacitated or debilitated over the years.

Yeah. I remember that crash. It's sad. He was once nearly on top of the world you can say. A name we would hear frequently when he was on top of this game.

292 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 12:00:22pm
293 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 2, 2012 12:07:17pm

re: #292 NJDhockeyfan

I have to wonder how much the Occupiers knew about what they were planing. They seemed pretty open about it and the informant seems to have found out without much trouble. Maybe the others just thought it was empty rhetoric but the tip may have come from a fellow occupier.

294 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 2, 2012 12:22:45pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

I have to wonder how much the Occupiers knew about what they were planing. They seemed pretty open about it and the informant seems to have found out without much trouble. Maybe the others just thought it was empty rhetoric but the tip may have come from a fellow occupier.

You would think so. Obviously the MSM has no interest in reporting this other than the local news sites so we might never know.

295 labman57  Wed, May 2, 2012 3:57:59pm

Hey I get it -- "Forward" suggests progress ... which connotes progressives ... which, as we all know, equals Communists.

Silly "6 degrees of separation" games for simple right wing minds.

Time to break out the tin foil -- right wing Mad Hatters are off their meds again.

Hmmm. "Country First" sounds an awful lot like a Nazi slogan promoting The Fatherland ... in the same warped, delusional manner that "Forward" is connected Marxism ... or fascism ... or communism ... or Satanic worship ... or ....

Who needs facts and evidence when it's so much easier to use innuendo and speculation?
Desperate times call for desperate inferences and accusations, and the Republican Party has become increasingly desperate as November approaches.

296 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 3, 2012 8:51:46am

re: #97 May Day! May Day!

Except of course I made no such claim. What I said is that your claim of no deference is false.

Which is false. There is no "deference".

You're forced to use this system which can never be entirely secular due to its roots, so you're showing deference in any case.

So, no purity = deference. Gotcha.

You're counting from this date and not from any other date whether you like it or not, and this date has purely religious roots.

No, it is not "purely religious".

So the aim is not to achieve some super-secular solution, but to use the sufficiently neutral language.

Yeah, and your criteria are way off.

Uh, no, in no way it is equivalent to use "AD" and to spell out the whole middle version (or even just to spell out the abbreviation). You once again ignored the fact that word usage matters.

I did not ignore it at all. I explicitly and specifically called that usage conventional ignorance, one which, btw, you seem to like in this case, for some weird reason. Other than for this factor (which you haven't sufficiently demonstrated, btw), there is no difference.

It matters e.g. whether one writes "BC" or insists on spelling out "before Christ". "The medium is the message". The middle version is not anywhere as common as AD. You will see even atheists using AD/BC, but hardly the middle version.

And it's bullshit windowdressing.

Except it's the same as saying "in the year of our Lord", since that Lord (and God) is Jesus. So you insist that AD and the middle version have the same meaning, but object to explicit unpacking the middle version, which makes my point.

You don't seem to understand the difference between an acronym and an omission. Fine by me. Doesn't "make your point", however.

Also, you're being inconsistent, and thus disingenuous, not to mention willing to engage in name-calling over smallest things.

I didn't call you a name anywhere. And no, I wasn't being inconsistent nor disingenious. You just seem to have trouble comprehending what I wrote and you seem to play dumb.

BTW, "the year of our Lord Jesus Christ" is listed as an alternative form of "the year of our Lord".

That's nice.

Except that's not what CE denotes at all. CE is just a fig leaf over AD anyway.

You must be intentionally obtuse. That is what I said.

297 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 3, 2012 8:54:08am

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

It's simply another way that Christianity is deeply woven into the entire culture of the Christian world. I wouldn't say that "AD" is secular, it's simply used in a secular way because if we didn't, we'd have to use that bizarre calender the French revolutionaries put together.

What I actually dislike deeply is "BCE", "CE". Cool, we will still start history from Christ's birth, but we will call it something else to make it sound more inclusive and shit. I use it, but I don't have to like it.

Atheists are just mad that they don't have any tradition that dates back thousands of years.

298 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 3, 2012 8:54:20am

re: #296 Unlike Some People

I didn't call you a name anywhere.

That's a plain lie, so you can continue to play your silly gotcha game alone.

299 Gus  Thu, May 3, 2012 8:56:02am

re: #297 Unlike Some People

Atheists are just mad that they don't have any tradition that dates back thousands of years.

Seriously? I'm not mad. I could care less about make believe dates and years. Personally I refuse to date anything AD, CE, EIEIO. It's 2012 and that works for me.

300 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 3, 2012 8:57:12am

re: #299 Gus

Seriously? I'm not mad.

Don't bother. Projection.

301 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:58:08am

re: #298 May Day! May Day!

That's a plain lie, so you can continue to play your silly gotcha game alone.

You may demonstrate where I called you a name. Otherwise I would prefer you stop making false claims about me, thank you.

302 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:01:54am

re: #299 Gus

Seriously? I'm not mad. I could care less about make believe dates and years. Personally I refuse to date anything AD, CE, EIEIO. It's 2012 and that works for me.

Hey, it's fine. If I was too broad there with my statement, too bad. I was obviously refering to cranky atheists who are bent on making it an issue whether it's better to pretend that AD, Anno Domini, or CE refers less to Jesus Christ than the other ones, involving unsubstantiated claims about securalization qua usage.

Not a Christian or Theist myself, btw.

303 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:02:29am

re: #300 May Day! May Day!

Don't bother. Projection.

Also known as the "I know what you are but what am I" defense. Pathetic.

304 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:05:08am

re: #303 Unlike Some People

Also known as the "I know what you are but what am I" defense. Pathetic.

That's your response to a simple explanation of your obviously false "Atheists are just mad that they don't have any tradition that dates back thousands of years" statement, which you also quite obviously made while being mad about something, thus it being a case of projection? Pathetic.

305 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:21:19am

re: #301 Unlike Some People

You may demonstrate where I called you a name. Otherwise I would prefer you stop making false claims about me, thank you.

Oh spare me. I don't care for your excuses for "You are being very intellectual dishonest if", "you are being disingenious" not being name-calling, which it is in my book, since it needlessly impugns my honesty and integrity out of the blue. (I don't care about the first one being a conditional too, since it's uncalled for even if the condition held true: there are other explanations beyond intellectual honesty and dishonesty (and "very" one at that), yet you intentionally chose the worst one).

I enjoy an occassional verbal bullshit sparring as much as the next guy. But dude, that chip on your shoulder, wherever it came from - you gotta get rid of it before we ever engage in productive conversation again. You took a bullshit banter that was not even about any fundamental issues and turned it into a war of words, starting with mildly hostile "fantasizing", and escalating it beyond measure (not without my help, but I'm usually obliging in such matters). I don't know why, but I know I don't enjoy receiving such invective from an otherwise supposedly friendly source over things that don't really matter.


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Orkestra Obsolete Play Blue Monday Using 1930s Instruments - BBC Arts More information: bbc.in New Order's Blue Monday was released on 7 March 1983, and its cutting-edge electronic groove changed pop music forever. But what would it have sounded like if it had been made 50 years earlier? In a ...
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Tune-Yards - ABC 123 (Official Video) 'ABC 123' by Tune-Yards. New album 'I can feel you creep into my private life' is released January 19th 2018: smarturl.it Director: Dear Mr QuistgaardProducer: Abi Atkinson, LS ProductionsCommissioner: Gabe Spierer, Beggars GroupExec Producer: Saskia Whinney, SomesuchDOP: Deepa KeshvalaEditor: ...
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Funding Restrictions Have Made Gun Violence Researchers Get Creative A study published Thursday concludes that a subsequent increase in gun exposure led to more accidental firearm deaths than otherwise would have occurred in the months after the school shooting. "It was the spike [in sales] itself that sort ...
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Recycling Chaos in U.S. As China Bans ‘Foreign Waste’ Like many Portland residents, Satish and Arlene Palshikar are serious recyclers. Their house is coated with recycled bluish-white paint. They recycle their rainwater, compost their food waste and carefully separate the paper and plastic they toss out. But recently, ...
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