Jon Stewart: Queer Guy for the Straight Ire
This is a pivot to the center … how?
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 3:30:17pm |
Bryan Fishcer is a cankerous boil on the ass of humanity.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 3:51:02pm |
The best response to bigotry like that is exactly what Jon Stewart is doing. Make us just point and laugh at the bigot.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 3:54:49pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, May 3, 2012 4:16:43pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, May 3, 2012 4:23:01pm |
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freetoken Thu, May 3, 2012 4:36:45pm |
Mitt Romney fails to realize that no one can escape the event horizon of stupidity:
For Romney, a warm embrace from Bachmann, a chilly one from Gingrich
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"This is what victory looks like," Bachmann declared at an event in Portsmouth, Va., on Thursday as she took the stage with the presumptive Republican nominee and Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell nearly four months after she dropped her own bid for the White House.
"When you look at 30-plus months of unemployment above 8%; when you look at doubling of America's energy prices at the pump, when you look at debt accumulation in excess of $5 trillion under his watch, there is no question in my mind that Americans will go to the polls and they'll be saying 'Mr. President, you're fired,'" Bachmann said to applause. "Instead, we will soundly stand for someone who believes in America, who believes in our children, who believes in the hope of opportunities for this next generation."
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Oh yes, prolonged unemployment, significant increases in debt, and America's addiction to gasoline - yes, all those look like "victory" to me.
It's all so clear now.
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Mattand Thu, May 3, 2012 4:37:05pm |
re: #2 Daniel Ballard
The best response to bigotry like that is exactly what Jon Stewart is doing. Make us just point and laugh at the bigot.
Too bad he didn't do that with David Barton. Not quite bigotry, but still...
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freetoken Thu, May 3, 2012 4:39:17pm |
No, we don't do things better in this country:
US health care spending highest, Japan lowest: Study
A study of 13 industrialized countries released Thursday showed Japan spends the least on health care, while the United States spends the most without providing superior care for the money.
The United States spent nearly $8,000 per person in 2009 on health care services, more than Australia, Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden or Switzerland.
Japan spent the least -- $2,878 per capita in 2008 -- according to the report by The Commonwealth Fund, a private foundation that promotes improved health care in the United States.
US health care spending amounted to more than 17 per cent of gross domestic product in 2009, while Japan's was under nine per cent of GDP.
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EdDantes Thu, May 3, 2012 4:40:08pm |
I don't know who Bryan Fischer is but that kind of bigotry and hatred is not even sane.When I was young I would see people on t.v complaining that Negroes will be using the same facilities as white folk. Didn't make sense then either.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 4:40:48pm |
So I've been told that 80% of voters vote on the Economy.
Therefore ROMINEE is the hands down winner.
Really?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 4:42:21pm |
re: #10 EdDantes
I don't know who Bryan Fischer is but that kind of bigotry and hatred is not even sane.When I was young I would see people on t.v complaining that Negroes will be using the same facilities as white folk. Didn't make sense then either.
"If he appears blurry it's because he is broadcasting his opinions from 50 years ago" paraphrased from short memory circuits.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 4:48:17pm |
Key points of the final resolution include:
-The right of young people to decide on all matters related to their sexuality
-Access to sexual and reproductive health services, including safe abortion where legal, that respect confidentiality and do not discriminate
-The right of youth to comprehensive sexuality education
-Protection and promotion of young people’s right to control their sexuality free from violence, discrimination and coercion
Of course, Planned Parenthood was involved, so it must be a bad thing.
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EdDantes Thu, May 3, 2012 4:51:44pm |
re: #12 ggt
"If he appears blurry it's because he is broadcasting his opinions from 50 years ago" paraphrased from short memory circuits.
I remember now. He wants to party like it's 1959.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 4:53:24pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 3, 2012 4:55:38pm |
Found a neat trick for making garden pesto. Instead of using garlic bulbs I use a handful of garlic greens instead. Just blitz it with the basil. It also seems to help preserve the bright green color of the basil which will oxidize and turn brownish in a few days.
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 4:57:13pm |
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 4:59:34pm |
re: #5 Charles Johnson
J.T. Ready Gilbert Massacre: Six Grenades Were Found at the Scene
Not just any grenades. Anti-tank rounds which require a launcher to use.
And he and his militia buddies were talking about buying a tank.
If I were ATF/FBI, I would be digging these guys out like ticks to find the launcher.
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Varek Raith Thu, May 3, 2012 5:00:42pm |
re: #21 Kragar
Not just any grenades. Anti-tank rounds which require a launcher to use.
And he and his militia buddies were talking about buying a tank.
If I were ATF/FBI, I would be digging these guys out like ticks to find the launcher.
They're too busy busting inept may day fools.
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 5:02:30pm |
re: #22 Varek Raith
They're too busy busting inept may day fools.
"We didn't sell anything to them. How would we know what they've got?"
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 5:03:47pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:04:14pm |
They are going after Eric Holder, big time.
He is a liability to the Administration.
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Amory Blaine Thu, May 3, 2012 5:04:59pm |
Student abandoned in DEA holding cell drank own urine to survive
Daniel Chong, a 24-year old student at UC San Diego, was taken into custody during a drug raid and abandoned in a holding cell for five days without food or water, according to NBC San Diego.
“They never came back, ignored all my cries and I still don’t know what happened,” he said. “I’m not sure how they could forget me.”
Student forgotten in cell by DEA files $20 million torture lawsuit
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:06:24pm |
re: #26 ggt
They are going after Eric Holder, big time.
He is a liability to the Administration.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 5:06:32pm |
re: #28 Amory Blaine
Student abandoned in DEA holding cell drank own urine to survive
Student forgotten in cell by DEA files $20 million torture lawsuit
Kragar, another news item in our back yard. What's your take?
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Varek Raith Thu, May 3, 2012 5:06:49pm |
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 5:07:45pm |
re: #31 Varek Raith
I need a B-2. For squirrel hunting.
Why should the gubernment deny you of that right??!!
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Amory Blaine Thu, May 3, 2012 5:07:53pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 5:08:10pm |
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 5:08:32pm |
re: #30 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Kragar, another news item in our back yard. What's your take?
I think its fucking pathetic. There is no excuse for that.
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 5:09:33pm |
re: #34 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Darrell Issa, another San Diegan in the news. He's a liability to the US.
Plus we've got Duncan Hunter.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:10:29pm |
re: #34 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Darrell Issa, another San Diegan in the news. He's a liability to the US.
Yeah, this has been a slow brew. I said over a year ago that the GOP was going to try to use this to affect the election. They will throw every stone to bring Obama down. Eric Holder needs to take full responsibility and bow-out.
This is a bigger deal than the MSM wants to admit.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 5:10:48pm |
re: #36 Kragar
I think its fucking pathetic. There is no excuse for that.
I seriously do not get the incompetence.
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dragonfire1981 Thu, May 3, 2012 5:10:53pm |
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 5:10:56pm |
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 5:12:36pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:12:56pm |
This election IMHO is about Civil/Human Rights more than the Economy. I think we are in far more danger of losing rights than we are of collapsing the economy. The above article about the non-waspy last named student is an example.
Private prisons, etc.
Serious stuff -- Wall Street and Congress fucked the economy a change of administration will not fix it.
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 5:14:02pm |
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 5:17:42pm |
Tenacious D featuring Meatloaf and Dio
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 5:20:48pm |
re: #44 ggt
This election IMHO is about Civil/Human Rights more than the Economy. I think we are in far more danger of losing rights than we are of collapsing the economy. The above article about the non-waspy last named student is an example.
Private prisons, etc.
Serious stuff -- Wall Street and Congress fucked the economy a change of administration will not fix it.
I'd like to think that myself but myself I see it as split 50/50. As Clinton once said "it's the economy stupid." I also believe that Krugman's recent prediction should be a warning for some people.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:27:31pm |
re: #47 Gus
I'd like to think that myself but myself I see it as split 50/50. As Clinton once said "it's the economy stupid." I also believe that Krugman's recent prediction should be a warning for some people.
Do you think Americans really believe that a change in administration will help the economy.
I get the feeling the consensus is that the GOP let Wall Street run-amok and spent too much on wars . . .?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 5:29:46pm |
TMZ scoops the Union Tribune. TMZ basically scoops everyone.
Junior Seau's death has been ruled a suicide -- this according to the San Diego County medical examiner's office.
According to the medical examiner, Seau -- who was found unconscious at his Oceanside, CA home yesterday -- died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest.
The medical examiner's office says Seau's family has yet to decide whether to turn the NFL legend's brain over to outside researchers for study.
tmz.com
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 5:30:51pm |
re: #48 ggt
Do you think Americans really believe that a change in administration will help the economy.
I get the feeling the consensus is that the GOP let Wall Street run-amok and spent too much on wars . . .?
You can include issues like abortion and contraception into the mix but there's a limit as to how Obama can and should run this campaign. Yes, it's about social issues but to a limit. It's not about medical marijuana; drones; gay marriage; etc. Some of that may play locally but not for the president. To think otherwise runs counter to polling done for close to 50 years and election results within that same time frame. When you say Wall Street "running amok" you are in fact talking about economic issues.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 5:33:44pm |
Ric Grenell and what the Romney camp did or didn't do may be a useful topic to discuss but it won't win an election. There are other issues that are effectively non-starters.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:34:11pm |
re: #50 Gus
You can include issues like abortion and contraception into the mix but there's a limit as to how Obama can and should run this campaign. Yes, it's about social issues but to a limit. It's not about medical marijuana; drones; gay marriage; etc. Some of that may play locally but not for the president. To think otherwise runs counter to polling done for close to 50 years and election results within that same time frame. When you say Wall Street "running amok" you are in fact talking about economic issues.
Yes, I know.
Conservatives I talk with seem to think that Romey will win on the Economy hands-down. I'm not sure why they think that.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 5:39:59pm |
re: #54 ggt
Yes, I know.
Conservatives I talk with seem to think that Romey will win on the Economy hands-down. I'm not sure why they think that.
Right. I mean they need to continue to paint Romney as the corporate candidate. Which is what he is. Do Americans want a president whose only concern is that of the Fortune 500s; Wall Street fat cats; etc. Or do they want a president that cares about the man or woman on the street? That requires a delicate balance of course since the idea is not really to deconstruct said corporations or banks either. It's all a matter of reform that still needs to be done.
There are also global questions too. How everything seems to be falling apart yet one man can buy a single painting for a whopping 100 million dollars. When it seems like Greece has finally come close to resolving there fiscal problems another one props up like Spain which has now entered a deep recession and record unemployment. The UK has also double dipped. And on and on it goes. The consistent them here though remains the economy and financing.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, May 3, 2012 5:41:18pm |
Stephen King: Tax Me, for F@%&'s Sake!
Cut a check and shut up, they said.
If you want to pay more, pay more, they said.
Tired of hearing about it, they said.
Tough shit for you guys, because I’m not tired of talking about it. I’ve known rich people, and why not, since I’m one of them? The majority would rather douse their dicks with lighter fluid, strike a match, and dance around singing “Disco Inferno” than pay one more cent in taxes to Uncle Sugar.
The whole thing is quite a lovely and lulzy rant, and you should read it.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 5:42:12pm |
And all of this stuff about Chen in China. Right out of the blue and thrown right on our lap during sensitive negotiating with both the USA and China. If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd say he's on Karl Rove's payroll.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:43:41pm |
re: #55 Gus
Right. I mean they need to continue to paint Romney as the corporate candidate. Which is what he is. Do Americans want a president whose only concern is that of the Fortune 500s; Wall Street fat cats; etc. Or do they want a president that cares about the man or woman on the street? That requires a delicate balance of course since the idea is not really to deconstruct said corporations or banks either. It's all a matter of reform that still needs to be done.
There are also global questions too. How everything seems to be falling apart yet one man can buy a single painting for a whopping 100 million dollars. When it seems like Greece has finally come close to resolving there fiscal problems another one props up like Spain which has now entered a deep recession and record unemployment. The UK has also double dipped. And on and on it goes. The consistent them here though remains the economy and financing.
I think I have issues understanding because the economy doesn't stop at the border. Some voters understand that, I'm not sure most do.
Many voters don't compute what is happening in other countries to their own lives. They don't care either. Which is sad and stupid.
Perhaps the best approach is to keep focusing on "how is preventing (insert social issue here) going to help the economy?
And the constant attacks on corporate tax incentives etc.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 5:44:12pm |
I gotta watch myself here. I kind of got in a grumpy -- grumpier -- mood about 2 hours ago.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:44:34pm |
re: #59 Gus
I gotta watch myself here. I kind of got in a grump -- grumpier -- mode about 2 hours ago.
I'm there with you.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 5:46:03pm |
re: #60 ggt
I'm there with you.
Yeah. Growl! That freaking Swiftboat crap and Buzzfeed. Grrrrrrr. Plus looking at all the liberal bloggers on Twitter. They're kind of disorganized and I feel like doing something about that but that's like herding cats.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 5:46:19pm |
re: #56 Spongebath Squaredance
Stephen King: Tax Me, for F@%&'s Sake!
The whole thing is quite a lovely and lulzy rant, and you should read it.
I did and my favorite quote is...
"A lot of those investments are overseas, thanks to the anti-American business policies of the last four administrations."
Count 'em, four. One of the most salient anti partisan facts of recent history IMHO. I'd high five him for that one.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 5:46:24pm |
re: #59 Gus
I gotta watch myself here. I kind of got in a grumpy -- grumpier -- mood about 2 hours ago.
You contrarian. Drink a beer.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 5:48:24pm |
re: #59 Gus
I gotta watch myself here. I kind of got in a grump -- grumpier -- mode about 2 hours ago.
I'd buy us all a drink or a good smoke if I could. Had a tough day myself. I got Tito's in the freezer...
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 5:49:29pm |
re: #64 Daniel Ballard
I'd buy us all a drink or a good smoke if I could. Had a tough day myself. I got Tito's in the freezer...
A Bud and a bud!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:49:54pm |
The Eric Holder thing really worries me. He is a huge liability. The gun-nut circles are really spreading gossip --I haven't researched it --about Holder/Obama wanting to "take away your guns." This is the kind of thing that grows legs with running shoes.
The only out the administration as is to say --it didn't work. It was a failure. It's a tragedy that people died and that we have whistleblowers that brought it to light.
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 3, 2012 5:51:42pm |
Wells Fargo Donates To Mission District Businesses In Wake Of Vandalism
On Wednesday, Wells Fargo released a statement saying it would donate $25,000 toward the cleaning up the mess made during Monday's riot in the Mission.
"Many small businesses in the Valencia Corridor don't have the cash reserves to handle unexpected expenses like vandalism," said Deena Davenport, President of the Valencia Corridor Merchants Association, in a statement released by the bank. "Wells Fargo's generosity will provide timely access to capital to help our merchants open for business again."
The funds are being administered through two neighborhood groups, the Valencia Corridor Merchants Association and the Lower 24th Street Merchants and Neighbors Association.
"This grant will help our local merchants make much-needed repairs like replacing broken windows, removing graffiti and aiding in the general clean up required to open their doors again," said Lower 24th Street Merchants and Neighbors Association President Erick Arguello in the same statement.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:51:42pm |
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 5:53:52pm |
re: #66 ggt
The Eric Holder thing really worries me. He is a huge liability. The gun-nut circles are really spreading gossip --I haven't researched it --about Holder/Obama wanting to "take away your guns." This is the kind of thing that grows legs with running shoes.
The only out the administration as is to say --it didn't work. It was a failure. It's a tragedy that people died and that we have whistleblowers that brought it to light.
Oh and that crap from Russia regarding a threat of a preemptive strike against any US missile defense shields. Which is still a flaky report but still. Still have to figure out what's going on there. Made me think of moving to Australia. That didn't work though. I'd just replace my old crap for new crap and with an Aussie accent.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 5:54:17pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
Wells Fargo Donates To Mission District Businesses In Wake Of Vandalism
On Wednesday, Wells Fargo released a statement saying it would donate $25,000 toward the cleaning up the mess made during Monday's riot in the Mission.
"
That's actually awesome.
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EdDantes Thu, May 3, 2012 5:54:18pm |
re: #66 ggt
Holder should resign. He can start a nice malpractice somewhere.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:54:41pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
Wells Fargo Donates To Mission District Businesses In Wake Of Vandalism
On Wednesday, Wells Fargo released a statement saying it would donate $25,000 toward the cleaning up the mess made during Monday's riot in the Mission.
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They should sue for Wells Fargo to pay for the entire thing. They were the draw for Occupy . . .it's not like they aren't part of the problem.
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 3, 2012 5:54:48pm |
re: #69 Gus
Oh and that crap from Russia regarding a threat of a preemptive strike against any US missile defense shields. Which is still a flaky report but still. Still have to figure out what's going on there. Made me think of moving to Australia. That didn't work though. I'd just replace my old crap for new crap and with an Aussie accent.
Aussie women love American men. Go for it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:55:37pm |
re: #71 EdDantes
Holder should resign. He can start a nice malpractice somewhere.
I honestly think Holder thinks he is bullet-proof on this. He will take the POTUS down with him. Arrogant beyond belief.
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 3, 2012 5:56:07pm |
re: #70 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
That's actually awesome.
Sort of. It's a cheap PR ploy but they were provided with an excellent opportunity. Smart move.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:56:07pm |
re: #69 Gus
Oh and that crap from Russia regarding a threat of a preemptive strike against any US missile defense shields. Which is still a flaky report but still. Still have to figure out what's going on there. Made me think of moving to Australia. That didn't work though. I'd just replace my old crap for new crap and with an Aussie accent.
I know nothing of the Russia issue --how did I miss it?
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Amory Blaine Thu, May 3, 2012 5:56:55pm |
re: #71 EdDantes
Maybe one of our esteemed financial institutes can use his services.
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Charles Johnson Thu, May 3, 2012 5:57:35pm |
Today I found an awesome solution for a programming problem that will save me a lot of time in development. Basically, it lets me completely eliminate one time-consuming step when I update a Javascript or CSS file -- which is very often!
This uses an Apache mod_rewrite trick, combined with some PHP, to automatically force browsers to reload cached JS and CSS files when they're changed. It's one of those solutions that once you find, it seems so obvious.
[Link: stackoverflow.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 5:58:04pm |
re: #78 Charles Johnson
Today I found an awesome solution for a programming problem that will save me a lot of time in development. Basically, it lets me completely eliminate one time-consuming step when I update a Javascript or CSS file -- which is very often!
This uses an Apache mod_rewrite trick, combined with some PHP, to automatically force browsers to reload cached JS and CSS files when they're changed. It's one of those solutions that once you find, it seems so obvious.
[Link: stackoverflow.com...]
THAT IS SO KEWL!
(what did he say?)
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 6:00:19pm |
re: #76 ggt
I know nothing of the Russia issue --how did I miss it?
Russia warns on missile defence deal with Nato and US
Russia says it is prepared to use "destructive force pre-emptively" if the US goes ahead with controversial plans for a missile defence system based in Central Europe.
The warning came after the Russian defence minister said talks on missile defence were nearing a dead end.
Moscow fears that missile interceptors would be a threat to Russia's security.
But the US and Nato say they are intended to protect against attacks from Iran or North Korea.
"A decision to use destructive force pre-emptively will be taken if the situation worsens," chief of the Russian defence staff Gen Nikolai Makarov said...
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, May 3, 2012 6:03:21pm |
re: #74 ggt
I honestly think Holder thinks he is bullet-proof on this. He will take the POTUS down with him. Arrogant beyond belief.
From the article:
There have been at least three House contempt actions against the Executive Branch in the past 30 years.
In 1983, Congress found EPA administrator Anne Gorsuch Burford in contempt for failing to produce subpoenaed documents.
In 1998, the GOP-controlled House Oversight committee found Attorney General Janet Reno in contempt for failing to comply with a subpoena on campaign finance law violations.
In 2008, the Democratic-led House Oversight Committee found former White House counsel Harriet Miers and Chief of Staff John Bolton in contempt for failing to cooperate with an inquiry into whether a purge of federal prosecutors by the Bush administration was politically motivated. Congress went to federal court to seek enforcement of that contempt action, but a compromise was reached with the Executive Branch before any court decision was final.
Do you remember any of these incidents? Me neither. Do you think anybody decided their vote on any of these incident? Me neither. I promise you this will not be the big deal you or the GOP thinks it will be. The right has been howling about Fast and Furious for the last year and not even the moon is listening.
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Charles Johnson Thu, May 3, 2012 6:04:43pm |
The problem is that browsers automatically save local copies of Javascript and CSS files when you visit a web page - "cached" copies. This is a good thing because it speeds up page loading when the browser can just load a previously saved file from the cache instead of getting it over the Internet.
But it's not such a good thing when you edit one of those files to add an earthshaking new feature - because the browser just keeps loading the old one from the cache until it "expires," which can take up to a month. Or more. So visitors won't see the earthshaking new feature until their browsers are forced to reload those edited files.
That's what this solution addresses, with a really nice method that lets me have all the speed benefits of caching, but still automatically forces a reload whenever I release an earthshaking new feature.
It replaces an older, kludgier, and possibly slower method: appending a version number to the file's URL as a query string.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 6:05:37pm |
[Link: www.latimes.com...]re: #83 Charles Johnson
Did that help? :)
I didn't know you knew Greek.
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wrenchwench Thu, May 3, 2012 6:06:57pm |
re: #81 moderatelyradicalliberal
From the article:
Do you remember any of these incidents? Me neither. Do you think anybody decided their vote on any of these incident? Me neither. I promise you this will not be the big deal you or the GOP thinks it will be. The right has been howling about Fast and Furious for the last year and not even the moon is listening.
They've been howling for the past TWO years, and that article was written by an anti-vaxxer kook who has been on a mission to keep F & F in the news.
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EdDantes Thu, May 3, 2012 6:08:19pm |
re: #77 Amory Blaine
Maybe one of our esteemed financial institutes can use his services.
His involvement in the Marc Rich fiasco should have made him a political pariah.
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 3, 2012 6:11:40pm |
re: #72 ggt
They should sue for Wells Fargo to pay for the entire thing. They were the draw for Occupy . . .it's not like they aren't part of the problem.
Originally I wasn't terribly impressed with you idea but I think you're on to something. I have plenty of scorn for the banks and the financial crisis they created. However, OWS brings nothing but misery and destruction. If the banks were smart they'd pay for all the park cleanups, vandalism and police overtime. OWS would be over within a month.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 6:16:03pm |
re: #87 Killgore Trout
Originally I wasn't terribly impressed with you idea but I think you're on to something. I have plenty of scorn for the banks and the financial crisis they created. However, OWS brings nothing but misery and destruction. If the banks were smart they'd pay for all the park cleanups, vandalism and police overtime. OWS would be over within a month.
///Yes because a pat on the head from the rich people and a pittance hand out from them will make people's concern over the issue of growing economic inequality in our country vanish.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, May 3, 2012 6:16:38pm |
re: #89 jamesfirecat
///Yes because a pat on the head from the rich people and a pittance hand out from them will make the issue of growing economic inequality in our country vanish.
Don't feed the pig :)
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goddamnedfrank Thu, May 3, 2012 6:17:46pm |
re: #85 wrenchwench
They've been howling for the past TWO years, and that article was written by an anti-vaxxer kook who has been on a mission to keep F & F in the news.
Issa is off on one of his famous toots, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Holder ain't gonna be held in contempt. Many of the claims in Issa's leaked draft have been proven to be bullshit, Holder has testified before Congress 7 times in the matter, and the few documents that have been withheld pertain to the ongoing investigation. It's telling that Issa leaked this without even showing it to members of the House Oversight Committee first and that both Boehner and Cantor refuse to state their support for charges.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 6:19:11pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
Sort of. It's a cheap PR ploy but they were provided with an excellent opportunity. Smart move.
I see it as taking responsibility in a very small way.
Better if they spoke with all the foreclosed victims, but unfortunately we have to take what we get.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 6:19:23pm |
And today the New York City Municipal Archives Online Gallery won't load.
Give it a shot: [Link: www.nyc.gov...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, May 3, 2012 6:19:35pm |
re: #70 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
That's actually awesome.
Their mortgage fraud was even more awesome!
Seriously, if all a bank needs to do is write a check for a few grand to wipe away the sins of billions of dollars in fraud, easiest check they ever wrote!
Kinda like neo-nazis and klan members offering to clean up highways GOSH THEY'RE SO RESPONSIBLE
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, May 3, 2012 6:20:13pm |
$25,000, cheap! Fuck over a whole country, but pick up some trash and all's well!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, May 3, 2012 6:21:22pm |
A new report from MSNBC, however, provided an inside account of how Wells Fargo’s robo-signing department works. Unqualified employees with salaries ranging from $30,000 to $50,000 are given titles like “vice president of loan documentation” so they can sign foreclosure documents. Actual supervisors institute quotas on employees, forcing them to sign a certain number of foreclosure files each day — sometimes telling them they can’t eat breakfast or take lunch until they’re done. Documents required for homeowners to avoid foreclosure were ignored, left sitting on an unattended fax machine.
The result: the nation’s largest mortgage servicer often improperly foreclosed on homeowners who weren’t past due or owed little interest while pushing the files out the door as fast as possible, as an insider told MSNBC:
Some families apparently were denied loan modifications after only cursory interviews, she said. Other borrowers applying for help sent comprehensive personal financial documents to a fax machine that she discovered had been unattended for weeks. Others landed in foreclosure after owing interest payments of as little as $1.18 a day, according to documents she said she reviewed. [...]
“There was one file where they weren’t even past due and they were in foreclosure status,” the loan processor said. “They’re pushing these files and pushing these files….”
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 3, 2012 6:22:48pm |
re: #92 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
I see it as taking responsibility in a very small way.
Better if they spoke with all the foreclosed victims, but unfortunately we have to take what we get.
Dude, it has nothing to do with taking responsibility. These small businesses have to bank somewhere. It's a $25,000 advertising campaign. OWS has nothing to offer aside from broken windows so it's an easy way to sway public opinion.
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 3, 2012 6:24:15pm |
re: #95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]
$25,000, cheap! Fuck over a whole country, but pick up some trash and all's well!
Agreed. OWS provided a cheap escape. They could do this nationally for a couple million. Game over.
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wrenchwench Thu, May 3, 2012 6:24:45pm |
Later, Lizards.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 6:27:03pm |
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Seems that Santorum and Rubio are the popular choices among Republican voters to be Mitt's running mate. I think he's going to choose a southern conservative to help solidify the base but one that will end up alienating independent and moderate voters.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 6:27:18pm |
re: #95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]
$25,000, cheap! Fuck over a whole country, but pick up some trash and all's well!
There's a line in Leverage from the Double Blind Job and one bad guys "Evil speech of evil" (a speech where they lay out how in their own head their not the villian) in particular which perfectly fits this situation...
Sadly I can't find the quote online but basically the bad guy is talking about the latest multimillion dollar fine to get handed out for some drug ending up killing the people who took it.
"Do you know how many dollars worth of that product got sold first? It was in the billions. So when you do the math, the amount that damage suit adds up to, it's about fifteen percent. It's just a little tip on the side, thank you for trying my medicine!"
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 6:31:42pm |
re: #83 Charles Johnson
Did that help? :)
No, but I don't think it's a need to know for me.
I appreciate the effort!
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, May 3, 2012 6:33:07pm |
re: #88 Charles Johnson
I know, I'm a hopeless geek.
Can you recommend a good resource for C# programming? It's hard getting used to.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 6:34:41pm |
re: #87 Killgore Trout
Originally I wasn't terribly impressed with you idea but I think you're on to something. I have plenty of scorn for the banks and the financial crisis they created. However, OWS brings nothing but misery and destruction. If the banks were smart they'd pay for all the park cleanups, vandalism and police overtime. OWS would be over within a month.
Well, OWS caused me to do the research and make-up my own mind.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 6:35:21pm |
Romney criticizes Obama over China's Human Rights while Bain sells hi-tech surveillance equipment to thembit.ly/IyHZ4r #LGF
— J M Sute (@71LesPaul) May 4, 2012
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 6:36:41pm |
6 Ways Iron Man Is Objectively Better Than Batman
Both Noun-men are easily the best heroes in their universes. They prove that being smart is better than being naturally talented, and also better than being so dumb that you fall into toxic waste vats and don't even know to die from it. Batman beats Superman because when your idea of the perfect hero is "super invincible and he can do anything," you're 7 years old. Which is cool, and we're glad you love comics, but you are 7 years old. Iron Man is better than Captain America because "drug-fueled" and "foreigner-killing" accidentally became everything people hate about America since Cap was invented.
But every time I see two heroes in proximity, I have to decide who'll win, because I've found a way to get paid for remaining a child. Anyways, I've settled on a winner, and the answer is Bat-blasphemous. We'll stick to their recent movies, because that's what most people have seen, and they have two each, so it's fair. Ignoring Batman's entire glorious comics history might seem stupid, but since that's what DC Comics has already done with the recent reboot, we're kind of stuck with it. Besides, if I wanted to be unfair, I'd include Batman & Robin.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 6:38:38pm |
re: #105 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
[Embedded content]
I would have said that differently!
Yeah. He'll say, "well I'm not longer with Bain Capital!" Then the next day he'll talk about the virtues of Bain Capital today and his history with them.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 6:39:14pm |
re: #106 Kragar
The writer has a point, I mean if you cross over the two and they meet, either Bruce isn't smart enough to make himself a suit of armor like Tony's, or well... well there's no "or" there really he tries to make a suit like Tony's but its not as good. Because while Bruce may be a better tactician/strategist, Tony is a better engineer.
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Charles Johnson Thu, May 3, 2012 6:39:26pm |
re: #103 Learned Mother of Zion
Can you recommend a good resource for C# programming? It's hard getting used to.
What are you trying to do in C#?
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 6:40:36pm |
re: #107 Gus
I would have said that differently!
Yeah. He'll say, "well I'm not longer with Bain Capital!" Then the next day he'll talk about the virtues of Bain Capital today and his history with them.
Pretty much.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 6:41:24pm |
The facts are (as I see them) that income discrepancy isn't a matter of "share the wealth" socialism propaganda. It isn't lazy people wanting to get on the dole.
It's a matter of preserving the peace. It is an economic matter. Angry people who have their Constitution right of equal opportunity curtailed by the "elite" thru government and banking, in this country, have the the Constitutional right to revolt.
I can't think of anything more devastating to the economy than an angry mob. The answer isn't gun control, more police,private prisons or tougher laws on immigrants and criminals.
It is entitlements, it is Universal Health Care, it is freedom of choice, it is prosecuting Wall Street and Congressional Criminals.
I can't see any other answer
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Kragar Thu, May 3, 2012 6:41:46pm |
re: #108 jamesfirecat
The writer has a point, I mean if you cross over the two and they meet, either Bruce isn't smart enough to make himself a suit of armor like Tony's, or well... well there's no "or" there really he tries to make a suit like Tony's but its not as good. Because while Bruce may be a better tactician/strategist, Tony is a better engineer.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 6:41:46pm |
Seriously, make the Romney "I'm unemployed" into an ad.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 6:45:59pm |
re: #113 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Seriously, make the Romney "I'm unemployed" into an ad.
And then show how much he was making giving speeches. It's his right to do that but comparing himself to the average unemployed American was laughable if not insulting on his part.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 6:46:37pm |
re: #113 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Seriously, make the Romney "I'm unemployed" into an ad.
Oh we need him in those white pants and that navy blazer. Did you see that video?
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Mich-again Thu, May 3, 2012 6:47:13pm |
re: #115 Gus
Oh we need him in those white pants and that navy blazer. Did you see that video?
The world needs ditchdiggers too, Danny..
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 6:49:44pm |
re: #114 HappyWarrior
And then show how much he was making giving speeches. It's his right to do that but comparing himself to the average unemployed American was laughable if not insulting on his part.
I'd love to know what the, what's it called, Mission Purpose was on Bain Capital's . . .
I can't remember a damn thing anymore.
You know their company Mission Statement --there is always an Objective
i.e. - to maximize shareholder value
-to produce low cost widgets for the teen market
-whatever bullshit produces a warm feeling for the employees and prospective investors.
My husband actually worked for a family owned company whose mission statement said the objective was to increase shareholder value for the stockholders (the family members). At least they were honest, but miserly.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 6:51:56pm |
Gonna make my favorite salad:
Butter lettuce
Scallions
Mushrooms
Japanese cucumbers
grape tomatoes in half
toasted almonds
Dressing: Mayo, Soy, Honey, all whisked together.
Peeps, it is easy and so damn good.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 6:51:59pm |
re: #119 ggt
I'd love to know what the, what's it called, Mission Purpose was on Bain Capital's . . .
I can't remember a damn thing anymore.
You know their company Mission Statement --there is always an Objective
i.e. - to maximize shareholder value
-to produce low cost widgets for the teen market
-whatever bullshit produces a warm feeling for the employees and prospective investors.My husband actually worked for a family owned company whose mission statement said the objective was to increase shareholder value for the stockholders (the family members). At least they were honest, but miserly.
I actually didn't know. Anyhow from the little I know about Romney's time at Bain, I'm just not impressed. I'm impressed more by businessmen who are innovators in their fields. You know people like Jobs. Love Apple or hate Apple, they've had some very innovative products. Bain seems to me that it was Mitt's cash toy.
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b_sharp Thu, May 3, 2012 6:52:57pm |
re: #119 ggt
I'd love to know what the, what's it called, Mission Purpose was on Bain Capital's . . .
I can't remember a damn thing anymore.
You know their company Mission Statement --there is always an Objective
i.e. - to maximize shareholder value
-to produce low cost widgets for the teen market
-whatever bullshit produces a warm feeling for the employees and prospective investors.My husband actually worked for a family owned company whose mission statement said the objective was to increase shareholder value for the stockholders (the family members). At least they were honest, but miserly.
Their purpose was to destroy as many corporations and employees as possible.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 6:53:20pm |
re: #122 b_sharp
Their purpose was to destroy as many corporations and employees as possible.
What a job creator.//
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 6:55:46pm |
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]
Am I supposed to believe that Operation Rescue just "found" the records?
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b_sharp Thu, May 3, 2012 6:55:57pm |
re: #123 HappyWarrior
What a job creator.//
If you want a successful company driven into the ground, Romney's your man.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 6:56:55pm |
re: #125 b_sharp
If you want a successful company driven into the ground, Romney's your man.
Sounds like a good for the Communists.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 6:58:37pm |
re: #25 Kragar
2ND AMENDMENT!!!
Not by the NRA's definition. 40mm grenades are not firearms, they are Destructive Devices, and the NRA does not object to the fact that the AP models are entirely illegal outside of DoD.
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b_sharp Thu, May 3, 2012 6:59:51pm |
re: #126 HappyWarrior
Sounds like a good for the Communists.
Marx wanted the workers to own the means of production, I have no idea how the Communists ended up with the state owning everything.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 7:00:20pm |
re: #129 b_sharp
Marx wanted the workers to own the means of production, I have no idea how the Communists ended up with the state owning everything.
One Party System --tyrants in control?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:00:25pm |
re: #122 b_sharp
Their purpose was to destroy as many corporations and employees as possible.
Horseshit. All that would earn them would have been a bad reputation. Their purpose was (A) Turn failing companies around, or (B) provide capital to allow growing companies to expand.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 7:00:52pm |
re: #117 Gus
Here it is...
Mitt Romney fundraiser at the home of Papa John's founder John Schnatter
[Embedded content]
Is that La Jolla or Rancho Santa Fe?
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:03:41pm |
re: #130 ggt
One Party System --tyrants in control?
Yep and corruption of the philosophy. Speaking of Marx, I read an interesting article in one of the Civil War magazines that the history magazine firm I work at publishes about Marx and the American Civil War. I think many would be surprised to learn that he was a correspondent. He also not surprisingly was a supporter of the Union and admirer of Lincoln.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 7:03:45pm |
There are companies that have either run their course as far as their products being marketable or have been mismanaged near to the ground for many factors.
Sometimes a buy-out is the only way. when management won't re-org. --yes people lose their jobs etc. Companies and individuals have a responsibilty to remain marketable and change can be hard for those entrenched in the far gone status quo.
The idea of cradle to grave companies is long gone. Thus, government seems to be the option for benefits etc.
It's a tough market all round.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:04:20pm |
re: #111 ggt
The facts are (as I see them) that income discrepancy isn't a matter of "share the wealth" socialism propaganda. It isn't lazy people wanting to get on the dole.
It's a matter of preserving the peace. It is an economic matter. Angry people who have their Constitution right of equal opportunity curtailed by the "elite" thru government and banking, in this country, have the the Constitutional right to revolt.
I can't think of anything more devastating to the economy than an angry mob. The answer isn't gun control, more police,private prisons or tougher laws on immigrants and criminals.
It is entitlements, it is Universal Health Care, it is freedom of choice, it is prosecuting Wall Street and Congressional Criminals.
I can't see any other answer
Don't wish for a revolt. You'd find me on the other side of the line, for one.
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 7:05:03pm |
re: #136 Dark_Falcon
Don't wish for a revolt. You'd find me on the other side of the line, for one.
It's not a revolt, it is a steady progression.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 7:05:51pm |
re: #136 Dark_Falcon
Don't wish for a revolt. You'd find me on the other side of the line, for one.
I think I'm stressed over the differences in how to deal with things.
One side wants to be the tough parent, forcing compliance with the law etc.--which is fine if the laws still make sense (war on drugs, immigration etc)
The other side wants to be the pragmatic parent, doing what keeps everyone healthy and calm. (mental health treatment, education, contraception)
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 7:08:04pm |
Anderson Cooper just pwnd this guy from Moveon.org...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:08:57pm |
re: #139 ggt
I think I'm stressed over the differences in how to deal with things.
One side wants to be the tough parent, forcing compliance with the law etc.
The other side wants to be the pragmatic parent, doing what keeps everyone healthy and calm.
I don't really see it that way. After all, Michael Bloomburg is quite liberal, yet he has consistently supported the NYPD whenever it has needed to forcefully deal with 'Occupy'. In a similar vein Pat Quinn of Illinois is moderate-leaning-liberal, but he has now demanded that state employees pay more into their pensions and retire later.
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Charles Johnson Thu, May 3, 2012 7:09:48pm |
Been watching the GOP's war on women's rights develop for years.
Yup, it's real, all right.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:10:54pm |
re: #140 Daniel Ballard
Anderson Cooper just pwnd this guy from Moveon.org...
Factcheck is here being honest and nonpartisan. But the Donks won't see it that way.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 7:12:20pm |
From AC 360
So earlier this year the Dems were going to cut this same fund for preventative care to pay for extended unemployment?! Ahem, that's hard to accept as equitable if true.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:13:26pm |
re: #140 Daniel Ballard
Anderson Cooper just pwnd this guy from Moveon.org...
And you've got to love John Boener giving it to the Dems with the bark on! I like him finding his fangs on this issue.
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b_sharp Thu, May 3, 2012 7:14:06pm |
Blind unquestioning obedience to authority is the ultimate avoidance of civil responsibility.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:14:12pm |
re: #144 Daniel Ballard
From AC 360
So earlier this year the Dems were going to cut this same fund for preventative care to pay for extended unemployment?! Ahem, that's hard to accept as equitable if true.
It's only a "attack on women" when Republicans cut the funds.
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Obdicut Thu, May 3, 2012 7:15:36pm |
re: #143 Dark_Falcon
Factcheck's article there is fucking horrible, actually.
Saying that the Democrats proposed slashing something when they were doing it in order to make deals with the GOP is silly.
They also mix up the tenses-- they accuse Obama of saying that women benefit from the fund, whereas what he actually said:
Women, in particular, will benefit from this Prevention Fund, which would provide for hundreds of thousands of screenings for breast and cervical cancer.
And this is true, as Factcheck acknowledges.
I have no idea how Factcheck, looking at the unprecedented wave of laws against abortion, the opposition to the fair pay for women act, etc. etc. can be blind to the GOP's agenda on women.
I guess it's just more of the stupidity of believing the truth must be somewhere in the middle.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 7:16:10pm |
re: #143 Dark_Falcon
Factcheck is here being honest and nonpartisan. But the Donks won't see it that way.
Fact Check's lie of the year last year was something that was true just because they didn't want to give it to another Republican lie so many years in a row.
They want to be non partisan so hard they don't care about the truth anymore.
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 7:16:22pm |
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
It's only a "attack on women" when Republicans cut the funds.
It's only an attack on women when Republicans want to stick a wand up my va jay jay when I want to have an abortion.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:16:29pm |
re: #142 Charles Johnson
Been watching the GOP's war on women's rights develop for years.
Yup, it's real, all right.
Honestly, what disturbs me is how it seems to me that they've regressed. I can remember as recently as the Bush years when many Republicans would be okay with abortion being legal in the cases of rape and incest but it seems since Obama's been elected, we've seen a rise in those who believe in abortion should be banned no matter what and we should do all we can with the power of the state to make any woman who chooses to get an abortion feel uncomfortable as hell.
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Charles Johnson Thu, May 3, 2012 7:16:33pm |
Politicians from both parties have had to make choices about which bills to support, but only one party has been consistently opposed to every women's rights issue: the GOP.
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Obdicut Thu, May 3, 2012 7:16:42pm |
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
It's only a "attack on women" when Republicans cut the funds.
Is it an attack on women when the GOP sponsors more anti-abortion bills than have ever been sponsored before, attempts to defund planned parenthood, and opposes fair pay for women, Dark?
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 7:16:49pm |
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
Okay but lets not forget the anti abortion laws in state after state. Separate issues. But in the overall, we can see where the point lives
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:16:52pm |
Bear in mind, however, that FactCheck.org is only speaking to how the House GOP wants to fund the extension of lower student loan rates. It is not speaking to abortion or any what we may call 'social issue'.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:17:06pm |
re: #153 Obdicut
Is it an attack on women when the GOP sponsors more anti-abortion bills than have ever been sponsored before, attempts to defund planned parenthood, and opposes fair pay for women, Dark?
Zing.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 7:17:47pm |
re: #144 Daniel Ballard
From AC 360
So earlier this year the Dems were going to cut this same fund for preventative care to pay for extended unemployment?! Ahem, that's hard to accept as equitable if true.
Well. To be honest. White male millionaire Anderson Cooper who works for CNN who also employes Dana Loesch is trying to discredit the notion of a "war on woman" based on this single piece of legislation instead of looking at the overall picture. To that end he's not being honest.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:17:50pm |
re: #154 Daniel Ballard
Okay but lets not forget the anti abortion laws in state after state. Separate issues. But in the overall, we can see where the point lives
re: #155 Dark_Falcon
Bear in mind, however, that FactCheck.org is only speaking to how the House GOP wants to fund the extension of lower student loan rates. It is not speaking to abortion or any what we may call 'social issue'.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 7:17:54pm |
re: #143 Dark_Falcon
Factcheck is here being honest and nonpartisan. But the Donks won't see it that way.
Donks? Go fuck yourself.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 7:19:50pm |
re: #149 jamesfirecat
Fact Check's lie of the year last year was something that was true just because they didn't want to give it to another Republican lie so many years in a row.
How do we then explain the multiple sources of agreement like politifact on that very issue? "Lie of the year" or "whopper" are characterizations of a big damn lie. Convincing seniors the medicare changes slated for people years in the future would happen to them, right away.
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Obdicut Thu, May 3, 2012 7:20:30pm |
re: #158 Dark_Falcon
So what, Dark? The article ends with a veiled suggestion that the 'war on women' is a fiction, and that's what we're responding to. I know that you don't want to deal with the abortion issue, but it's one that is of grave importance, not just to women, but to our society as a whole.
You need to comprehend just how angry the GOP is making women, and just how much it's damaging our country and society for them to be embracing such an anti-science, anti-20th century point of view.
They are hurting the country.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:20:47pm |
re: #159 Assemble!
Donks? Go fuck yourself.
Yeah, Donks as in "Donkeys". I can call said Dems "Jackasses" if you'd prefer that.
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Interesting Times Thu, May 3, 2012 7:21:14pm |
Fuck Anderson Cooper for his idiotic, magical balance fairy cherry-picking and deliberate failure to see the forest for the trees.
re: #148 Obdicut
Saying that the Democrats proposed slashing something when they were doing it in order to make deals with the GOP is silly.
Yes, damnit, yes - it's the GOP's fucking fault these cuts have to be made to begin with! Because fuck women's health if it interferes with subsidies and corporate welfare for the Kochs!!
Idiot, stupid, useless mainstream media for not pointing this out!
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Obdicut Thu, May 3, 2012 7:22:08pm |
re: #160 Daniel Ballard
It's actually the same explanation. Saying that a claim that someone doesn't want to end Medicare just because they'd keep it around in an anemic, mutated form is like saying someone doesn't want to shut down a restaurant, he just wants to burn it to the ground and build an ice-skating rink there, where they will serve popcorn.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 7:22:29pm |
re: #163 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, Donks as in "Donkeys". I can call said Dems "Jackasses" if you'd prefer that.
Whatever. Have fun whining like a baby who's pooped his diapers the next time someone says something nasty about conservatives, as you often do.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 7:22:32pm |
re: #160 Daniel Ballard
How do we then explain the multiple sources of agreement like politifact on that very issue? "Lie of the year" or "whopper" are characterizations of a big damn lie. Convincing seniors the medicare changes slated for people years in the future would happen to them, right away.
The Republican plan will end medicare as we know it.
If you stop making Medicare a government system and instead hand out X amount of dollars and tell people to go buy insurance that ends medicare as we know it, it changes it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Passing the buck down the line to us who aren't currently on the medicare system is just shameless pandering and trying to avoid having anybody realize just what a sucky system it would be.
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Obdicut Thu, May 3, 2012 7:22:34pm |
re: #163 Dark_Falcon
What the fuck is wrong with you tonight? Being an insulting asshole for no reason at all is classless and stupid.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 7:23:19pm |
re: #157 Gus
Anderson has this in his "keeping them honest" show. He is illustrating a specific instance of how hyperbole has been used by the Dems to exaggerate a point. Trouble is push that too far and you hurt your own brand. It's fair to call this stuff out from either side. Necessary AFAIK.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:23:27pm |
Do you folks want to actually discuss the issue or just downding me while shouting "Fuck!" all night? Because if its the latter I've got other things I can do.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:23:37pm |
re: #164 Interesting Times
Fuck Anderson Cooper for his idiotic, magical balance fairy cherry-picking and deliberate failure to see the forest for the trees.
Yes, damnit, yes - it's the GOP's fucking fault these cuts have to be made to begin with! Because fuck women's health if it interferes with subsidies and corporate welfare for the Kochs!!
Idiot, stupid, useless mainstream media for not pointing this out!
Hey budget cuts above all. Not like people actually benefit from these programs. //
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Obdicut Thu, May 3, 2012 7:24:29pm |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
Do you folks want to actually discuss the issue or just downding me while shouting "Fuck!" all night? Because if its the latter I've got other things I can do.
I'm trying to discuss the issue with you, Dark, but you haven't responded to anything substantive I've posted to you.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:24:56pm |
re: #168 Obdicut
What the fuck is wrong with you tonight? Being an insulting asshole for no reason at all is classless and stupid.
Who's being an asshole? I've said "Donks" from time to time here,and others here have called Republicans far worse.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 7:25:09pm |
re: #169 Daniel Ballard
Anderson has this in his "keeping them honest" show. He is illustrating a specific instance of how hyperbole has been used by the Dems to exaggerate a point. Trouble is push that too far and you hurt your own brand. It's fair to call this stuff out from either side. Necessary AFAIK.
It may be true on the specifics of this case but it fails to make a case against a "war on women" by the GOP. We can argue all we want about calling it a "war" or not but that fact remains. Count up all the anti-abortion and contraception legislation in each and every state. Including some in congress.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:25:47pm |
re: #153 Obdicut
Is it an attack on women when the GOP sponsors more anti-abortion bills than have ever been sponsored before, attempts to defund planned parenthood, and opposes fair pay for women, Dark?
It's an attack on abortion, sure enough.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, May 3, 2012 7:25:52pm |
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Amory Blaine Thu, May 3, 2012 7:25:52pm |
Preppy protester: The moment a 19-year-old Mitt Romney demonstrated in favour of Vietnam War draft
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Nice pants.
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jaunte Thu, May 3, 2012 7:26:00pm |
re: #174 Gus
"Organized effort to control women" is so cumbersome, though.
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Obdicut Thu, May 3, 2012 7:26:35pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
Who's being an asshole? I've said "Donks" from time to time here,and others here have called Republicans far worse.
You're being an asshole.
Fuck it. I'm in no mood to satiate your masochism. I'm going to go bring sustenance to my wife as she studies.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 7:26:53pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
It's an attack on abortion, sure enough.
The answer you're giving, "no," would have been quicker to type and more honest.
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Obdicut Thu, May 3, 2012 7:27:15pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
It's an attack on abortion, sure enough.
Defunding planned parenthood is not an attack on abortion, Dark. Please don't goddamn engage in that kind of lie. It's bad for the soul.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 7:27:41pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
Who's being an asshole? I've said "Donks" from time to time here,and others here have called Republicans far worse.
Dark you're better than Tu Quoque, or at least I want you to be.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 7:27:46pm |
re: #167 jamesfirecat
I don't see it like that. It's more like this IMO-Underfunded & under-managed or under regulated you have a disaster. Whether it's single payer, multipayer, medicare, vouchers, Republicans or Democrats making the rules.
Your assumption it will be a disaster reflects your fear of the way it will be run. Well I share that fear.
Where we differ is I also have that fear of how its run right now. Underfunded, under regulated and under-managed. It's falling apart as we watch.
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Interesting Times Thu, May 3, 2012 7:27:54pm |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
Do you folks want to actually discuss the issue or just downding me while shouting "Fuck!" all night? Because if its the latter I've got other things I can do.
Speaking of downdings, why did you give one to this article? What was FACTUALLY wrong about it?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:27:55pm |
re: #177 Amory Blaine
Preppy protester: The moment a 19-year-old Mitt Romney demonstrated in favour of Vietnam War draft
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Nice pants.
Interestingly, that put him squarely opposite Donald Rumsfeld, who had already begun his support for an all-volunteer military.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 7:29:03pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
It's an attack on abortion, sure enough.
Close but no cigar, do you just NOT GET how attacking a woman's right to choose to have an abortion restricts her choices in life where any pregnancy can destroy her ability to work in a standard job for the better part of a year, leaving aside how many hours she'll need to spend looking after the child assuming she doesn't just put it up for adoption?
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:29:42pm |
re: #177 Amory Blaine
Preppy protester: The moment a 19-year-old Mitt Romney demonstrated in favour of Vietnam War draft
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Nice pants.
Why didn't the guy have the balls to sign up? Hell it's one thing to favor a war and not go. It's another to protest in favor of a measure that forces people who may not want to go to go and then go skip out to France. Then again this is the same guy who four years ago equated his sons' helping his campaign out to military service.
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b_sharp Thu, May 3, 2012 7:29:51pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
It's an attack on abortion, sure enough.
An attack on Planned Parenthood is an attack on more than abortion, its an attack on the health of women which can only be viewed as an attack on women and their intrinsic rights.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 7:30:07pm |
Gun control laws are attacks on guns, not gun-owners...
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 7:30:17pm |
re: #183 Daniel Ballard
I don't see it like that. It's more like this IMO-Underfunded & under-managed or under regulated you have a disaster. Whether it's single payer, multipayer, medicare, vouchers, Republicans or Democrats making the rules.
Your assumption it will be a disaster reflects your fear of the way it will be run. Well I share that fear.
Where we differ is I also have that fear of how its run right now. Underfunded, under regulated and under-managed. It's falling apart as we watch.
Amount of money stays the same or increases slowly, costs of medical care have been SHOWN to increase faster than Republicans will increase funding, how the FUCK can it not be a disaster with that set up?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:31:47pm |
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b_sharp Thu, May 3, 2012 7:32:30pm |
re: #179 Obdicut
You're being an asshole.
Fuck it. I'm in no mood to satiate your masochism. I'm going to go bring sustenance to my wife as she studies.
Say hi to her for me.
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 7:33:03pm |
re: #186 jamesfirecat
Federally provided child care will help with the whole raising of the child issue.
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 7:33:24pm |
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 7:33:26pm |
re: #148 Obdicut
I have no idea how Factcheck, looking at the unprecedented wave of laws against abortion, the opposition to the fair pay for women act, etc. etc. can be blind to the GOP's agenda on women.
They and Anderson have called out a specific instance of hyperbole. The kind that can undermine the overall credibility of the larger point. I see no reason to think that sort of specific criticism as off limits.
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dragonath Thu, May 3, 2012 7:33:52pm |
re: #187 HappyWarrior
Weren't university students like Romney given draft deferrals in 1966? How totally craven.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:34:34pm |
re: #186 jamesfirecat
Close but no cigar, do you just NOT GET how attacking a woman's right to choose to have an abortion restricts her choices in life where any pregnancy can destroy her ability to work in a standard job for the better part of a year, leaving aside how many hours she'll need to spend looking after the child assuming she doesn't just put it up for adoption?
The thing is that for the people passing the law, the life of the unborn child outweighs those concerns.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:34:48pm |
re: #196 Be Zorch, Daddio
Weren't University students like Ronmey given draft deferrals in 1966? How totally craven.
Honestly I am not sure.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:35:25pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that for the people passing the law, the life of the unborn child outweighs those concerns.
What if she's raped? And the people passing those laws have zero credibility to complain about "big government" in that case.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 7:36:45pm |
re: #199 HappyWarrior
What if she's raped?
I don't think logic allows for exceptions except for maybe the life of the mother if that's the path one takes.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:37:37pm |
re: #199 HappyWarrior
What if she's raped?
My view is that rape and incest are cases where abortion ought to be allowed.
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Amory Blaine Thu, May 3, 2012 7:37:38pm |
re: #196 Be Zorch, Daddio
Weren't university students like Romney given draft deferrals in 1966? How totally craven.
His pro-war son, meanwhile, never served in south-east Asia because his status as a Mormon missionary exempted him from the draft.
The GOP hopeful spent just one year at Stanford before heading to France for 30 months of missionary work.
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
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Targetpractice Thu, May 3, 2012 7:37:48pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that for the people passing the law, the life of the unborn child outweighs those concerns.
So from the moment of conception, a woman loses control over her own body? The state can force her to carry a pregnancy to term?
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 7:37:49pm |
re: #199 HappyWarrior
What if she's raped?
Alternative answer: she shouldn't have gone out dressed like that...
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 7:38:23pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that for the people passing the law, the life of the unborn child outweighs those concerns.
Yes, but Dark, do you not see how lack of abortion has serious economic impacts for women?
I don't give a flying toss about the reasons they are doing this, abortion doesn't happen (or not happen) in a vaccume, if women can't control when they become pregnant or not or if that pregnancy "takes" or not, they are bound to be seen as an inferior choice in the working community to men of the same general level of experience.
An attack on abortion is thus an attack on women's ability to support themselves in a workplace.
See how its all connected weather they care to admit it or not?
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 7:39:25pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that for the people passing the law, the life of the unborn child outweighs those concerns.
Wake me when they then agree that people can be forced to donate kidneys if someone would die without a transplant.
It's not about morality its about controlling women.
Otherwise these people would also be pushing for mandatory blood donations at the very least.
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bratwurst Thu, May 3, 2012 7:40:12pm |
re: #163 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, Donks as in "Donkeys". I can call said Dems "Jackasses" if you'd prefer that.
Let's be honest about where you got this term. It came from a former lizard who used to brag that he was SUCH an honorable man, he would NEVER post on the stalker blog. Today he is over there posting. I personally would not be trying to emulate this person. I also doubt you would appreciate folks on your side being referred to as "Phants" or something similarly ridiculous.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:40:13pm |
re: #202 Dark_Falcon
My view is that rape and incest are cases where abortion ought to be allowed.
Your view, yes, but what about the legislators doing all they can to guilt trip a woman into not making what is under the law a legal choice. What purpose do vaginal ultrasounds other than to harass women who wish to get abortions? What purpose does making an abortion near impossible to get. No one here likes abortion. What abortion should be is safe and legal as possible.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 7:40:34pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that for the people passing the law, the life of the unborn child outweighs those concerns.
i.e. WAR ON WOMEN you fools
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jaunte Thu, May 3, 2012 7:40:40pm |
re: #206 jamesfirecat
An attack on abortion is thus an attack on women's ability to support themselves in a workplace.
Now you've gotten to the root of it.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 7:43:23pm |
Oh MEN, please please keep telling us uterati what to do.
That is my main hate of all of this. The MEN's attitude on my fucking uterus.
fuck you, you fucked me and were happy.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:44:13pm |
Also, I should add that if these legislators were so concerned about the lives of children. Why would they favor things like health care and education being cut? Oh wait, that's right. These guys think tax cuts are the only thing that works. It's a load of shit. They would have much more credibility in my eyes if they weren't saying cut social programs during every fiscal crisis. No one likes higher taxes but sometimes they're necessary and honestly if it means more better roads, health care, and school e.g. things that benefit the population as a whole, I'm okay with paying a little more.
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allegro Thu, May 3, 2012 7:44:32pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that for the people passing the law, the life of the unborn child outweighs those concerns.
Wrong. If they were concerned about the babies they wouldn't be gutting every assistance program we have. They would be cheering for no co-pay birth control and proper sex education that included TRUE information.
This about domination of women. Babies be damned to them.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 7:45:12pm |
re: #212 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
fuck you, you fucked me and were happy.
Are... are you saying I wasn't good? :(
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 7:45:44pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 7:46:08pm |
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allegro Thu, May 3, 2012 7:46:12pm |
re: #206 jamesfirecat
Yes, but Dark, do you not see how lack of abortion has serious economic impacts for women?
I don't give a flying toss about the reasons they are doing this, abortion doesn't happen (or not happen) in a vaccume, if women can't control when they become pregnant or not or if that pregnancy "takes" or not, they are bound to be seen as an inferior choice in the working community to men of the same general level of experience.
An attack on abortion is thus an attack on women's ability to support themselves in a workplace.
See how its all connected weather they care to admit it or not?
Exactly. That is a feature, not a bug.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:46:41pm |
re: #208 bratwurst
Let's be honest about where you got this term. It came from a former lizard who used to brag that he was SUCH an honorable man, he would NEVER post on the stalker blog. Today he is over there posting. I personally would not be trying to emulate this person. I also doubt you would appreciate folks on your side being referred to as "Phants" or something similarly ridiculous.
Whom are you speaking about?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, May 3, 2012 7:47:09pm |
re: #207 jamesfirecat
Wake me when they then agree that people can be forced to donate kidneys if someone would die without a transplant.
It's not about morality its about controlling women.
Otherwise these people would also be pushing for mandatory blood donations at the very least.
Republican Christianity is terrorism
superstitious savages who believe God is a magic bearded Republican who hates science and loves straight rich white people, and Jesus hates fags and loves making women carry stillborns to term
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:47:47pm |
re: #212 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Well, I've never fucked anyone, and I don't intend to.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, May 3, 2012 7:48:07pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that for the people passing the law, the life of the unborn child outweighs those concerns.
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Interesting Times Thu, May 3, 2012 7:48:13pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
Well, I've never fucked anyone, and I don't intend to.
You do every time you vote Republican.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 7:48:31pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
Well, I've never fucked anyone, and I don't intend to.
...
...
No words... they should have sent a poet...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 7:48:41pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that for the people passing the law, the life of the unborn child outweighs those concerns.
NO, the life of the FETUS does not outweigh MY CIVIL RIGHTS.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 7:50:02pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
Well, I've never fucked anyone, and I don't intend to.
Those words would carry more meaning DF if you didn't keep supporting those who did.
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Gus Thu, May 3, 2012 7:50:12pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
Well, I've never fucked anyone, and I don't intend to.
What if I said something like "we I never intend to own a gun therefore no one else really should need to have a gun."
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 7:50:19pm |
re: #190 jamesfirecat
That (right or not in the end) has nothing to do with the point I made about the lie. Can we address the wisdom of advertising changes set for years later would affect seniors right away, in the heat of a close election?
Then sure lets address how to best keep the medicare promise of care for the elderly that paid in all of their their working lives.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, May 3, 2012 7:50:23pm |
re: #212 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Oh MEN, please please keep telling us uterati what to do.
That is my main hate of all of this. The MEN's attitude on my fucking uterus.
fuck you, you fucked me and were happy.
The Republican party misses the days when they could rape for free
thank your local hippie commie feminists for changing spousal rape laws
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b_sharp Thu, May 3, 2012 7:50:58pm |
re: #212 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Oh MEN, please please keep telling us uterati what to do.
That is my main hate of all of this. The MEN's attitude on my fucking uterus.
fuck you, you fucked me and were happy.
My penis is frequently my weapon (and vulnerability) of choice, so you should be able to wield and protect your vagina however you want.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 7:51:06pm |
Dark, step away.
I relish the day you fall in love, and you will. Everything you've stood for will go out the door. I pray for that day. It will happen.
Your worldview isn't there yet, so chill the fuck out with your blind republican support.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 7:51:45pm |
re: #228 Daniel Ballard
That (right or not in the end) has nothing to do with the point I made about the lie. Can we address the wisdom of advertising changes set for years later would affect seniors right away, in the heat of a close election?
Then sure lets address how to best keep the medicare promise of care for the elderly that paid in all of their their working lives.
The lie was that the Republican plan destoryed Medicare as we know it.
I don't recall the lie of the year being that it would do it right away.
Show me links that prove otherwise.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 7:51:48pm |
re: #202 Dark_Falcon
My view is that rape and incest are cases where abortion ought to be allowed.
Dark, wake-up.
Not all cases of a women not wanting sex are that cut and dried. By the time she got the rape/incest adjudicated the baby would be born.
Everytime a wife has sex with her husband--she really wants too?
Saturday night after he has had a 6-pack or two --yeah, he's going to wear condom --right (wink wink).
Get real, women have been having abortions since the beginning of time, the only difference is that now she doesn't have to risk death or imprisonment.
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bratwurst Thu, May 3, 2012 7:52:17pm |
re: #219 Dark_Falcon
Whom are you speaking about?
The only other person I have EVER seen or heard referring to anyone as a Donk besides you: Steve. He said dozens (if not HUNDREDS) of times that he would never stoop so low as to join the stalker blog. Today he's there. I would recommend finding a different role model.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 7:53:00pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 3, 2012 7:53:39pm |
re: #72 ggt
They should sue for Wells Fargo to pay for the entire thing. They were the draw for Occupy . . .it's not like they aren't part of the problem.
I think Wells is being a little cynical in offering to help out, (PR agenda is obvious), but I can't see why they are legally or morally liable for damage maliciously done by individuals who are not associated with them.
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jaunte Thu, May 3, 2012 7:53:52pm |
Behind closed doors:
"There's always the chance that she could get pregnant and leave the job after we pay for her to take pregnancy leave; we'll have to pay her less just to cover that probability."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 7:54:04pm |
re: #224 Assemble!
...
...
No words... they should have sent a poet...
I could do a haiku on a more poetic topic if you'd like:
Letters of lies and
terror, sent on sticks by
a scumbag now dead.
My little take on the bin Laden letters that were released this week.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:54:57pm |
re: #229 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]
The Republican party misses the days when they could rape for free
thank your local hippie commie feminists for changing spousal rape laws
I've said it before WUB but it still amazes me that NC permitted spousal rape well into my lifetime. There's a lot of other examples like the one you give where we as a society are indebted to radicals for changing the landscape for the better.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 7:55:39pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
I could do a haiku on a more poetic topic if you'd like:
My little take on the bin Laden letters that were released this week.
Needs one more syllable in the middle.
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 7:55:54pm |
re: #212 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Fuck them. Like they even have one fucking idea what it is like to have a biological earthquake like childbirth happen to your body. assholes. Hey, assholes, all us self respecting, public school educated, American women ain't having it. Shut the hell up about something you know NOTHING about. Presumptive boneheads.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 7:56:20pm |
re: #233 jamesfirecat
Here you are.
Then this
The ads also say: “Seniors would be forced to pay $6,400 more.” But that’s not true for today’s seniors — including the gray-haired people pictured in the ads. The $6,400 figure is a fair interpretation of what a Congressional Budget Office report projected — for somebody turning age 65 in the year 2022 or later. Under the Republican plan, anyone age 55 or older would not have been affected at all, save for the repeal of a sweetened prescription-drug benefit contained in the new health care law.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 7:56:24pm |
re: #242 prairiefire
Fuck them. Like they even have one fucking idea what it is like to have a biological earthquake like childbirth happen to your body. assholes. Hey, assholes, all us self respecting, public school educated, American women ain't having it. Shut the hell up about something you know NOTHING about. Presumptive boneheads.
A thousand updings.
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bratwurst Thu, May 3, 2012 7:56:45pm |
re: #242 prairiefire
Fuck them. Like they even have one fucking idea what it is like to have a biological earthquake like childbirth happen to your body. assholes. Hey, assholes, all us self respecting, public school educated, American women ain't having it. Shut the hell up about something you know NOTHING about. Presumptive boneheads.
Tough but fair!
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 7:57:18pm |
re: #242 prairiefire
Fuck them. Like they even have one fucking idea what it is like to have a biological earthquake like childbirth happen to your body. assholes. Hey, assholes, all us self respecting, public school educated, American women ain't having it. Shut the hell up about something you know NOTHING about. Presumptive boneheads.
You tell em.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 7:58:37pm |
re: #241 Assemble!
Needs one more syllable in the middle.
Maybe the comma
Is an extra syllable?
Still shows lack of thought.
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 3, 2012 7:58:58pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 7:59:11pm |
My personal economic conditions start with my reproductive freedom.
Frankly, that is all I am concerned about --can I pay my bills, can I feed my kid, can I raise him the way I want to raise him.
That means controlling my reproduction.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 8:00:13pm |
re: #242 prairiefire
Fuck them. Like they even have one fucking idea what it is like to have a biological earthquake like childbirth happen to your body. assholes. Hey, assholes, all us self respecting, public school educated, American women ain't having it. Shut the hell up about something you know NOTHING about. Presumptive boneheads.
GF, have you heard of/seen Miss Representation
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 8:00:22pm |
re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist
I think Wells is being a little cynical in offering to help out, (PR agenda is obvious), but I can't see why they are legally or morally liable for damage maliciously done by individuals who are not associated with them.
Well, the other small businesses shouldn't have to pay the cost--they are not the reason Occupy was on the street.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 8:00:23pm |
re: #243 Daniel Ballard
Here you are.
Then this
The ads also say: “Seniors would be forced to pay $6,400 more.” But that’s not true for today’s seniors — including the gray-haired people pictured in the ads. The $6,400 figure is a fair interpretation of what a Congressional Budget Office report projected — for somebody turning age 65 in the year 2022 or later. Under the Republican plan, anyone age 55 or older would not have been affected at all, save for the repeal of a sweetened prescription-drug benefit contained in the new health care law.
Fair enough.
It's wrong to say the Ryan plan ends Medicare for todays' seniors.
Instead it kicks the can down the line to the people who don't have the foresight to realize just how much they're getting screwed over by supporting the Ryan plan when it comes to their own senior years.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 8:00:25pm |
re: #248 Killgore Trout
I do plan to go to Griffith Park Observatory for that. With my camera, and a thought to sweet talk my way into getting it mounted on a good telescope.
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 8:00:57pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 8:01:16pm |
re: #241 Assemble!
Needs one more syllable in the middle.
Letters of lies and
terror, sent on sticks by a
scumbag, dead a year.
Better? If so, please upding.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 3, 2012 8:01:17pm |
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 8:01:36pm |
re: #252 jamesfirecat
Thank you.
And it's deadly wrong to underfund the promise we all pay into. Now, or later. We all hope to live long enough to get the care.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, May 3, 2012 8:01:48pm |
re: #202 Dark_Falcon
My view is that rape and incest are cases where abortion ought to be allowed.
Why should the circumstances that led up to conception attach to whatever status the fetus has? This is literally making the offspring pay for the sins of the father, something the fetus has absolutely no control over and would in no way impinge on its personhood after birth.
This is why status via sentience makes much more sense, since it's already the criteria we use to determine the end of personhood, cf Terri Schiavo.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 3, 2012 8:02:30pm |
re: #197 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that for the people passing the law, the life of the unborn child outweighs those concerns.
No. It does not. Their contempt for the life of that child is pretty clearly seen in the complete absence of pro-life groups' involvement--and they're plenty loud when involved, we'd notice them--in any sort of legislation or organizing designed to make sure that child eats, or gets a decent education, or is protected in any way, shape or form from any harm that follows birth.
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 8:02:48pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, May 3, 2012 8:03:03pm |
re: #240 HappyWarrior
I've said it before WUB but it still amazes me that NC permitted spousal rape well into my lifetime. There's a lot of other examples like the one you give where we as a society are indebted to radicals for changing the landscape for the better.
A long time ago, I read this great book called Socialism by Michael Harrington. In it is this comment:
"To be a radical is, in the best and only decent sense of the word, patriotic."
As a veteran of both the Army and the Left, I have tried to live with that rather Thomas Paine like thought in mind :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 3, 2012 8:03:31pm |
re: #208 bratwurst
Let's be honest about where you got this term. It came from a former lizard who used to brag that he was SUCH an honorable man, he would NEVER post on the stalker blog. Today he is over there posting. I personally would not be trying to emulate this person. I also doubt you would appreciate folks on your side being referred to as "Phants" or something similarly ridiculous.
I don't think he coined the term.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 3, 2012 8:03:41pm |
re: #257 Daniel Ballard
And it's deadly wrong to underfund the promise we all pay into. Now, or later. We all hope to live long enough to get the care.
Maybe it wouldn't be under funded if one party refused to EVER raise taxes, IE increase the amount of funds we might have to pay into that promise.
Just a thought.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 8:04:13pm |
re: #258 goddamnedfrank
Why should the circumstances that led up to conception attach to whatever status the fetus has? This is literally making the offspring pay for the sins of the father, something the fetus has absolutely no control over and would in no way impinge on its personhood after birth.
This is why status via sentience makes much more sense, since it's already the criteria we use to determine the end of personhood, cf Terri Schiavo.
Babies are like illegal immigrants. If they get in there illegally, you can throw them out.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 8:04:26pm |
re: #261 William Barnett-Lewis
A long time ago, I read this great book called Socialism by Michael Harrington. In it is this comment:
"To be a radical is, in the best and only decent sense of the word, patriotic."
As a veteran of both the Army and the Left, I have tried to live with that rather Thomas Paine like thought in mind :)
Our system of laws was made by MEN for MEN.
I pisses-off some and confuses even more when those same laws a applied to women.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 8:04:28pm |
re: #252 jamesfirecat
Fair enough.
It's wrong to say the Ryan plan ends Medicare for todays' seniors.
Instead it kicks the can down the line to the people who don't have the foresight to realize just how much they're getting screwed over by supporting the Ryan plan when it comes to their own senior years.
I get my statement every quarter that details how much I've paid in, and what I'll get. That anyone, GOP idijts especially will fuck with MY statement? It really is the 3rd rail, and the only supporters are the uneducated ideologues and private sectors who see a new business profit.
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b_sharp Thu, May 3, 2012 8:05:54pm |
re: #255 Dark_Falcon
Letters of lies and
terror, sent on sticks by a
scumbag, dead a year.Better? If so, please upding.
Bullshit, one on one
Cries lightly for the stabbed
His eye weeping now
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 3, 2012 8:06:26pm |
Haiku smoke screen --
attempt to change the subject thru poetry?
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 8:06:43pm |
re: #249 ggt
My personal economic conditions start with my reproductive freedom.
Frankly, that is all I am concerned about --can I pay my bills, can I feed my kid, can I raise him the way I want to raise him.
That means controlling my reproduction.
Yes! This is so widely understood by American women. The movement against one of a woman's core values is actually quite subversive.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 8:06:59pm |
re: #252 jamesfirecat
Fair enough.
It's wrong to say the Ryan plan ends Medicare for todays' seniors.
Instead it kicks the can down the line to the people who don't have the foresight to realize just how much they're getting screwed over by supporting the Ryan plan when it comes to their own senior years.
"Medicare as we know it" is doomed. It can't be saved; a major overhaul is inevitable.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, May 3, 2012 8:07:19pm |
re: #253 Daniel Ballard
I do plan to go to Griffith Park Observatory for that. With my camera, and a thought to sweet talk my way into getting it mounted on a good telescope.
I may have to get my good tripod back from my son (he uses it for stop motion movies). That and my Nikkor 105/2.5 on my E-PL1 could be fun :) for that kind of full moon.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, May 3, 2012 8:09:07pm |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
"Medicare as we know it" is doomed. It can't be saved; a major overhaul is inevitable.
The overhaul is called breaking the insurance thieves and putting in their place Single Payer. Or, if you will, Medicare for all.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, May 3, 2012 8:11:09pm |
re: #109 Charles Johnson
What are you trying to do in C#?
Same stuff as I used to do in classic ASP, without reinventing the freaking wheel.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 8:11:23pm |
re: #273 William Barnett-Lewis
The overhaul is called breaking the insurance thieves and putting in their place Single Payer. Or, if you will, Medicare for all.
The idea of "breaking" a private company and putting the government in charge is anathema to me. The government is even more likely to be abusive, and it has the ability to use force as well. No thanks.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 8:11:32pm |
re: #263 jamesfirecat
The no new tax pledge is a disaster. As I've said before the Reagan era tax rates are fine with me. I think we should remove the S/S cap. Or at least spike it up considerably. Maybe unearned income should be subject to a medicare tax. We can't fight two+ wars, fund an epic stimulus and expect no new revenues. That is just pure denial.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 8:13:16pm |
re: #276 Daniel Ballard
The no new tax pledge is a disaster. As I've said before the Reagan era tax rates are fine with me. I think we should remove the S/S cap. Or at least spike it up considerably. Maybe unearned income should be subject to a medicare tax. We can't fight two+ wars, fund an epic stimulus and expect no new revenues. That is just pure denial.
Define 'unearned'.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, May 3, 2012 8:13:16pm |
re: #275 Dark_Falcon
The idea of "breaking" a private company and putting the government in charge is anathema to me. The government is even more likely to be abusive, and it has the ability to use force as well. No thanks.
Why? They've been abusing us for decades. Full stop. We pay more and get less than any other first world nation; our corrupt insurance industry is why. They are the perfect example of RICO.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 8:13:32pm |
re: #271 William Barnett-Lewis
I may have to get my good tripod back from my son (he uses it for stop motion movies). That and my Nikkor 105/2.5 on my E-PL1 could be fun :) for that kind of full moon.
It might be fun to collaborate on the side a bit and put a up a Page with photographs of that moon by a few of us.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, May 3, 2012 8:14:08pm |
re: #276 Daniel Ballard
The no new tax pledge is a disaster. As I've said before the Reagan era tax rates are fine with me. I think we should remove the S/S cap. Or at least spike it up considerably. Maybe unearned income should be subject to a medicare tax. We can't fight two+ wars, fund an epic stimulus and expect no new revenues. That is just pure denial.
Even though I fully believe even more is needed, this level of sanity would be a very good starting point.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 3, 2012 8:15:02pm |
re: #251 ggt
Well, the other small businesses shouldn't have to pay the cost--they are not the reason Occupy was on the street.
No, they shouldn't, but the fact is, being really pissed off at big banking does not transfer responsibility for the damage from the actual perpetrators to Wells Fargo.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 8:16:08pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, May 3, 2012 8:16:46pm |
re: #279 Daniel Ballard
It might be fun to collaborate on the side a bit and put a up a Page with photographs of that moon by a few of us.
I like the idea. Hope I have a decent sky that evening. The prediction all weekend is "chance of storm". Now lightning shots are fun, but I'd prefer not to that evening :D
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 8:18:40pm |
re: #276 Daniel Ballard
The no new tax pledge is a disaster. As I've said before the Reagan era tax rates are fine with me. I think we should remove the S/S cap. Or at least spike it up considerably. Maybe unearned income should be subject to a medicare tax. We can't fight two+ wars, fund an epic stimulus and expect no new revenues. That is just pure denial.
Props for Reason!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, May 3, 2012 8:19:54pm |
re: #275 Dark_Falcon
The idea of "breaking" a private company and putting the government in charge is anathema to me. The government is even more likely to be abusive, and it has the ability to use force as well. No thanks.
lucky you. never have to worry about what you paid into the system. Seriously, you see a pension or an inheritance?
Most do not.
You people who are so "patriotic" so easily leave behind your fellow American patriots.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 3, 2012 8:20:52pm |
re: #283 William Barnett-Lewis
I like the idea. Hope I have a decent sky that evening. The prediction all weekend is "chance of storm". Now lightning shots are fun, but I'd prefer not to that evening :D
Nic is blue, not that I'm hard to track down. :-)
Let's go for it. Maybe you'll get a good peek between dramatic clouds.
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 8:21:40pm |
re: #285 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
lucky you. never have to worry about what you paid into the system. Seriously, you see a pension or an inheritance?
Most do not.
You people who are so "patriotic" so easily leave behind your fellow American patriots.
I've never understood this disconnect with "the government". The government is us. We, the people.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, May 3, 2012 8:21:52pm |
Since we're well into OT time here, do I have any gun nuts around? Got silly lucky the other day :)
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palomino Thu, May 3, 2012 8:22:08pm |
re: #163 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, Donks as in "Donkeys". I can call said Dems "Jackasses" if you'd prefer that.
Oh, shut up. Whenever anyone around here uses terms like Repugs, you're the first to jump in and scold them like a schoolmarm under the pretense of keeping the discourse civil.
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Mocking Jay Thu, May 3, 2012 8:23:55pm |
re: #275 Dark_Falcon
The idea of "breaking" a private company and putting the government in charge is anathema to me. The government is even more likely to be abusive, and it has the ability to use force as well. No thanks.
I know, right? Next thing you know people'll be suggesting we put government in charge of things like armies with guns and nuclear missiles and shit. Effin' ridiculous...
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b_sharp Thu, May 3, 2012 8:24:48pm |
re: #288 William Barnett-Lewis
Since we're well into OT time here, do I have any gun nuts around? Got silly lucky the other day :)
I have no gun nut, but I do have a bolt.
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palomino Thu, May 3, 2012 8:27:30pm |
re: #136 Dark_Falcon
Don't wish for a revolt. You'd find me on the other side of the line, for one.
The "other side of the line?" What line would that be?
Sounds as if you've got some neo-confed type fantasies of fighting in another war based on a cultural cleavage in the US. Also sounds like a thinly veiled threat from someone having a meltdown.
Drink a beer, smoke a joint, take a Xanax, whatever works for you. But talking about armed revolution is TP insanity. Didn't expect that from you.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 8:31:02pm |
re: #288 William Barnett-Lewis
Since we're well into OT time here, do I have any gun nuts around? Got silly lucky the other day :)
Tell me upstairs.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 8:31:55pm |
re: #292 palomino
The "other side of the line?" What line would that be?
Sounds as if you've got some neo-confed type fantasies of fighting in another war based on a cultural cleavage in the US. Also sounds like a thinly veiled threat from someone having a meltdown.
Drink a beer, smoke a joint, take a Xanax, whatever works for you. But talking about armed revolution is TP insanity. Didn't expect that from you.
She mentioned 'revolt', not I. I said it was not a thing to wish for.
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palomino Thu, May 3, 2012 8:33:39pm |
re: #294 Dark_Falcon
She mentioned 'revolt', not I. I said it was not a thing to wish for.
I don't think she was talking about an armed revolution. Your response ratcheted up the rhetoric implying she should be afraid of any uprising because you'd be on the other side, fully armed I suppose.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, May 3, 2012 8:33:46pm |
re: #288 William Barnett-Lewis
Since we're well into OT time here, do I have any gun nuts around? Got silly lucky the other day :)
Found a nice condition Ithaca 37 pump in 16 gauge. Little gunshop down in the hippie section (yes, literally) of town. Mislisted on his web site with the pump action rifles, I scooted down there to see if it was real. Yep. Little scruffy, but mechanically perfect. Just about the ultimate pump gun for birds - light, fast handling & 16 won't beat your shoulder up like 12 does but puts 1 oz of shot out there better and further than 20 does. All in all, a great old fart chambering. Takes reloading to afford these days but that's the only way I can afford my .45 colt either :lol:
Best part? $150 out the door. 1957 mfg based on the serial & Modified choke so it's safe with steel shot. I can't wait for Pheasant & Duck season to get here.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 8:35:39pm |
re: #295 palomino
I don't think she was talking about an armed revolution. Your response ratcheted up the rhetoric implying she should be afraid of any uprising because you'd be on the other side, fully armed I suppose.
'Revolt' to me implies violence. I do not accept the idea of a "peaceful revolt".
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palomino Thu, May 3, 2012 8:37:53pm |
re: #131 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit. All that would earn them would have been a bad reputation. Their purpose was (A) Turn failing companies around, or (B) provide capital to allow growing companies to expand.
What planet do you live on? The banks, politicians, mortgage companies, investment firms with their toxic derivatives, etc. Do you think they gave a damn about their reputations? Maybe a little, but certainly not as much as the bottom line.
Corporations are in business to maximize profits in the short term; it's a naive quaint notion to think they care so much about their reputations that they wouldn't do mean things to get really rich.
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prairiefire Thu, May 3, 2012 8:38:01pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
'Revolt' to me implies violence. I do not accept the idea of a "peaceful revolt".
Lord, it's called an election.
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palomino Thu, May 3, 2012 8:39:41pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
'Revolt' to me implies violence. I do not accept the idea of a "peaceful revolt".
Well then maybe it's time that you back off talk of violent revolution and veiled threats to other commenters.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 8:39:47pm |
re: #299 prairiefire
Lord, it's called an election.
Elections are part of the existing democratic process. That's not a 'revolt' by any definition I've heard of.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, May 3, 2012 8:41:04pm |
re: #300 palomino
Well then maybe it's time that you back off talk of violent revolution and veiled threats to other commenters.
I threaten no one and I don't talk about 'violent revolution'. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
Going upstairs...
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palomino Thu, May 3, 2012 8:42:09pm |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
I threaten no one and I don't talk about 'violent revolution'. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
Going upstairs...
Bullshit, it's EXACTLY what you just did. Flip flopping like a Romney-bot, you're getting in full campaign mode, huh?
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Mich-again Thu, May 3, 2012 8:42:44pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
'Revolt' to me implies violence. I do not accept the idea of a "peaceful revolt".
I am part of the peaceful revolt of lifelong Republicans who want nothing to do with the 2012 version of the Tea Party/GOP. I am ashamed at what the GOP has become. It is the John Birch Society in charge now. Good luck.
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palomino Thu, May 3, 2012 8:44:37pm |
re: #304 Mich-again
I am part of the peaceful revolt of lifelong Republicans who want nothing to do with the 2012 version of the Tea Party/GOP. I am ashamed at what the GOP has become. It is the John Birch Society in charge now. Good luck.
The GOP has transformed from a pragmatic problem solving political party into a church, complete with dogma just as strict and irrational.
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Mich-again Thu, May 3, 2012 8:57:59pm |
re: #305 palomino
The GOP has transformed from a pragmatic problem solving political party into a church, complete with dogma just as strict and irrational.
The modern GOP/Tea Party would puke out Nixon, Reagan, and both of the Bush's for being too liberal. They only tolerate Mitt now because they have no other choice. I can't recall either party hating their nominee any worse than the GOP/Tea Party hates on Mitt.
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palomino Thu, May 3, 2012 9:10:32pm |
re: #306 Mich-again
The modern GOP/Tea Party would puke out Nixon, Reagan, and both of the Bush's for being too liberal. They only tolerate Mitt now because they have no other choice. I can't recall either party hating their nominee any worse than the GOP/Tea Party hates on Mitt.
Absolutely, and notice how Republican politicians don't even talk about either of the President Bushes...partly because in retrospect they don't pass the new farther right conservative purity tests.
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funky chicken Thu, May 3, 2012 9:11:15pm |
re: #177 Amory Blaine
Preppy protester: The moment a 19-year-old Mitt Romney demonstrated in favour of Vietnam War draft
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Nice pants.
Demonstrated in favor of the draft? There's a campaign commercial.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, May 4, 2012 1:06:02am |
re: #214 allegro
Wrong. If they were concerned about the babies they wouldn't be gutting every assistance program we have. They would be cheering for no co-pay birth control and proper sex education that included TRUE information.
This about domination of women. Babies be damned to them.
Once they pop out, it's an Ayn Rand world.
…
Btw, Ayn Rand was pro-choice.
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