Lou Engle Calls for the Religious Right to Emulate Confederate Generals

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Wow. Rarely are we privileged to witness such a moronic convergence of right wing bigotry, as Lou Engle of The Call says the religious right should model themselves after the Confederacy to fight “the homosexual agenda.”

Very bad craziness indeed.

During his speech at the Christian Broadcasting Network’s “Week of Prayer” yesterday, Lou Engle asked for support of his upcoming The Call: Virginia prayer rally, saying that Virginia should fight back against Washington D.C., just as Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson did during the Civil War. General Lee “had an anointing or something,” Engle said, “he was able to restrain Washington, he took his stand and held back those forces.” Engle also pointed to Stonewall Jackson for “rallying the Virginians” against the Union as a model to fight the “homosexual agenda” and the demonic “principalities and powers” behind homosexuality. Engle said, “Raise up a stonewall to restrain the agenda that is coming out of D.C.”

Somebody should let ol’ Lou know that the Confederacy lost.

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228 comments
1 erik_t  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:19:17am

Well, this means they'll lose in the end, right? Left broken and humiliated? And then we can wipe out the most awful of their mindsets and institutions?

Sounds good.

2 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:19:49am

Who is our General Sherman?

3 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:21:12am

Note to Lou,

They lost.

4 Obdicut  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:21:35am

The South lost, you fuckheads.

And so will you.

5 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:21:56am

I'm trying to make even the slightest bit of sense of this and I'm not having any success. Seriously, why must they all try and make my head hurt?

6 freetoken  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:21:58am

The ever spiraling mass of idiocy, downward it goes.

7 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:22:06am

Oh they should be like Lee alright, they should just surrender.

8 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:22:59am

This is at least as funny as Bachmann saying they were riding in like the Light Brigade.

9 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:23:44am

That's some breathtaking derp.

10 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:24:56am

re: #9 Learned Mother of Zion

That's some breathtaking derp.

Thats what you get when you only read one book and think David Barton is a historian.

11 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:25:39am

Actually, wait, I think I get it now. He's saying that, just like the Confederacy, the Religious Right should rebel against the forces of progress in order to attempt to maintain their backwards and bigoted ways, including treating some kinds of people as lesser beings. Realizing this, his statement now makes complete sense to me.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:25:39am

re: #3 Kragar

Note to Lou,

They lost.

There weren't any pious Union generals these people could model themselves on? I find that hard to believe.

13 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:25:53am

The lost cause.

Now with homophobia.

14 dragonfire1981  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:26:25am

re: #3 Kragar

Note to Lou,

They lost.

Oh come on now, clearly the South lost because the North was heavily funded by George Soros' ancestors and they had an unfair advantage from the beginning.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:26:33am

Do we have any recorded opinion of Robert E. Lee's on the subject of homosexuality?

16 freetoken  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:27:07am

BTW, this whole "principalities and powers" worldview, which became resurgent in American Christianity with the 20th century rise of Pentecostal/Charismatic churches, and to which Engle refers here, is from the apocalyptic Judaism that immediately predated (and precipitated) the New Testament era.

Yes, Engle et. al. do believe that there are evil supernatural beings controlling the planet and the the "homosexual agenda" is a manifestation of the war these evil supernatural beings are having in what the ancients refer to as "heaven" (by which they meant what we call today "outer space".)

17 dragonath  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:27:09am

I posted this in the other thread, but I get a kick how he references Ephesians 6:12, which says:

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Righteousness... is slaveowners who started a war which killed more than half a million people.

18 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:27:44am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

There weren't any pious Union generals these people could model themselves on? I find that hard to believe.

Grant and Sherman still don't go over well in the South.

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:28:02am

re: #14 dragonfire1981

Oh come on now, clearly the South lost because the North was heavily funded by George Soros' ancestors and they had an unfair advantage from the beginning.

If only the North had realized what was going on. "It's another giant postal order from some Jews in Hungary. What's up with that?"

"Oh, you know, Jews, slavery, they're against it...just cash it. We need the money."

"I dunno man, this feels like the beginning of some kind of conspiracy..."

20 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:29:07am

The Nathan Bedford Forrest model comes to mind:

[Link: www.google.com...]

21 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:29:25am

Not only did they lose but they lost a ton of men in the process but yeah great job Engle in saying in order to win a war you need to emulate the loser.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:30:11am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Not only did they lose but they lost a ton of men in the process but yeah great job Engle in saying in order to win a war you need to emulate the loser.

I honestly wonder if that is some kind of statement. They know they're not going to get what they want, but they see themselves as a mighty army fighting for it anyway.

23 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:31:20am

Of course, my favorite Civil War General was named Hooker.

24 dragonath  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:31:28am

Hell, these are probably the same people who are probably hanging on to the rumor that Lincoln was gay. He who took away southern honor with his demonic agenda!

25 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:31:31am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

I honestly wonder if that is some kind of statement. They know they're not going to get what they want, but they see themselves as a mighty army fighting for it anyway.

I don't know enough about Engle really to say one way or the other. The guy in charge of NOM thinks that younger voters' tendency to support marriage equality is a "youthful fad" or something equally moronic.

26 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:32:04am

re: #24 Be Zorch, Daddio

Hell, these are probably the same people who are probably hanging on to the rumor that Lincoln was gay. He who who took away southern honor with his demonic agenda!

These are the same people who see Lincoln as the terrible tyrant yet whack off at the thought of waterboarding another human.

27 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:32:11am

re: #23 Iwouldprefernotto

Of course, my favorite Civil War General was named Hooker.

By one account the working girls are named for the general, not the other way around.

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:32:12am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

I don't know enough about Engle really to say one way or the other. The guy in charge of NOM thinks that younger voters' tendency to support marriage equality is a "youthful fad" or something equally moronic.

"The young one is going to the electric chair, and the old one thinks that electricity is a passing fad."

(My favorite Lawrence Yep quote of all time.)

29 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:32:39am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Not only did they lose but they lost a ton of men in the process but yeah great job Engle in saying in order to win a war you need to emulate the loser.

The same thinkers who keep telling Romney he needs to emulate Santorum to win the Election.

30 Targetpractice  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:32:55am

Of all the wars America has fought, not only did they pick the most disagreeable of those wars, they picked the losing side to model themselves on. Bravo.

31 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:32:57am

re: #29 Kragar

The same thinkers who keep telling Romney he needs to emulate Santorum to win the Election.

Aye.

32 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:33:43am

Because it was all about Chivalry --right?

33 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:34:34am

re: #32 ggt

Because it was all about Chivalry --right?

Chivalry and the right to own other humans.

34 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:35:43am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Chivalry and the right to own other humans.

And States Rights, as long as the Slaves States rights came first.

35 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:36:16am

re: #34 Kragar

And States Rights, as long as the Slaves States rights came first.

States Rights Uber Alles.

36 freetoken  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:36:20am

I had a great-great grandfather who fought in the Civil War. Well, I may have had others who fought also, but I know of one. He rode in the US Calvary, along with his two brothers. He came back alive (obviously, or I wouldn't be here...), and his two brothers with him. That was a good survival rate for soldiers.

So, as an eligible Son of the Civil War (and BTW had an ancestor who fought in the American Revolution, and held prisoner by the British), I will officially say this to Lou Engle:

Screw you.

37 Targetpractice  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:36:54am

Personally, I generally consider it a major irony that Lee, an icon amongst the South, is only so because Virginia seceded. Had Virginia stayed Union, it very likely would have been Lee and not Grant who led the Union Army to victory.

38 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:37:34am

The thing is that that States Rights taken to the extreme would make us like North and South Pakinstan --no?

Some places would be so bass-ackwards and violent that no one could/would even try to go there.

39 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:37:52am

re: #37 Targetpractice

Personally, I generally consider it a major irony that Lee, an icon amongst the South, is only so because Virginia seceded. Had Virginia stayed Union, it very likely would have been Lee and not Grant who led the Union Army to victory.

And Virginia was one of the last states to secede. Begs to ponder but I think the CSA would have been fucked if Virginia hadn't seceded.

40 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:38:01am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

States Rights Uber Alles.

Unless the state wants to let the queers get married.

41 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:38:40am

re: #40 Simply Sarah

Unless the the state wants to let the queers get married.

Yep.

42 Tigger2005  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:38:46am

It's not so rare, and it's most definitely not a privilege.

43 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:39:13am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

And Virginia was one of the last states to secede. Begs to ponder but I think the CSA would have been fucked if Virginia hadn't seceded.

They were fucked regardless.

44 lawhawk  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:40:08am

Lemme get this straight. These guys want to emulate the South, which lost the Civil War??

The South lost because they didn't have the technological advantages, the numbers, or time, on their side.

The stupidity is just astounding.

These guys must have studied the book of Blutarsky (the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor) for all the logical and historical fallacies rolled into one incomparable derp.

45 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:40:40am

re: #43 Kragar

They were fucked regardless.

Yeah I agree inevitably they were but without Virginians like Lee, war probably ends much quicker. Anyhow regarding Lee, I love how he gets all this love for staying true to Virginia but no one talks about the Virginians who remained true to the Union. Hell, that's how the state of West Virginia was formed in the first place.

46 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:41:32am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Yeah I agree inevitably they were but without Virginians like Lee, war probably ends much quicker. Anyhow regarding Lee, I love how he gets all this love for staying true to Virginia but no one talks about the Virginians who remained true to the Union. Hell, that's how the state of West Virginia was formed in the first place.

And the Free State of Jones.

47 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:41:35am

Next up, Lou Engle declares they'll stand their ground and fight for every inch like the defenders at Normandy.

48 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:41:52am

re: #44 lawhawk

Lemme get this straight. These guys want to emulate the South, which lost the Civil War??

The South lost because they didn't have the technological advantages, the numbers, or time, on their side.

The stupidity is just astounding.

These guys must have studied the book of Blutarsky (the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor) for all the logical and historical fallacies rolled into one incomparable derp.

Well remember the Lost Causers think that while the South lost because of all those aforementioned things, they had the allmighty on their side and their cause was just. Bluto was at least a fun guy to be around I imagine. Lou Engle not so much.

49 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:42:03am

re: #44 lawhawk

Lemme get this straight. These guys want to emulate the South, which lost the Civil War??

The South lost because they didn't have the technological advantages, the numbers, or time, on their side.

The stupidity is just astounding.

These guys must have studied the book of Blutarsky (the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor) for all the logical and historical fallacies rolled into one incomparable derp.

Like I said above, it's not about the South winning, it's about being kindred spirits with them over fighting to protect their ability to have institutionalize bigotry.

50 Eventual Carrion  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:43:58am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

There weren't any pious Union generals these people could model themselves on? I find that hard to believe.

Custer?

51 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:44:29am

re: #46 Decatur Deb

And the Free State of Jones.

I'd like to learn more about that. I actually live fairly close to Harpers Ferry where Brown had his famous raid pre war. Another thing no one really talks about is how the Confederates were none too happy with those who seceded from them. And one of the reasons why Davis was a failure was ultimately because of extreme states righters within the CSA. The whole idea I think was a doomed idea really.

52 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:44:29am

Headache has FINALLY abated --3 days--

Now I'm exhausted.

Off to nap - then taking Mom to dinner -Cat Overlord approves.

Have a great day all!

53 dragonath  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:44:40am

The "Southern Cause" was so stupid. Probably the biggest "cut off nose to spite face" moment in world history. They ended up fighting a war which made the federal government 100x stronger. Nice work, guys.

54 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:45:20am

re: #47 Kragar

Next up, Lou Engle declares they'll stand their ground and fight for every inch like the defenders at Normandy.

This will be our Omaha! This will be our Utah! This will be our Gold! We will not let the forces of the Homosexual Allies break our lines and gain a foothold into the God-fearing heart of America!

55 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:45:29am

re: #50 RayFerd

Custer?

Burnside.

56 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:46:07am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

I'd like to learn more about that. I actually live fairly close to Harpers Ferry where Brown had his famous raid pre war. Another thing no one really talks about is how the Confederates were none too happy with those who seceded from them. And one of the reasons why Davis was a failure was ultimately because of extreme states righters within the CSA. The whole idea I think was a doomed idea really.

My current BFF is from there. She explains it simply as their desire to prey on both combatant armies.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

57 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:46:31am

re: #53 Be Zorch, Daddio

The "Southern Cause" was so stupid. Probably the biggest "cut off nose to spite face" moment in world history. They ended up fighting a war which made the federal government 100x stronger. Nice work, guys.

Right up there with Hannibal's plan to destabilize Rome by crossing the Alps.

58 Lidane  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:47:45am
Engle said, “Raise up a stonewall to restrain the agenda that is coming out of D.C.”

Someone should remind Lou about the Stonewall Inn.

59 freetoken  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:48:11am

The full Engles 38 minute video is available at the CBN site.

RWW did pull a second segment, about abortion.

Engle also tried to link the political ascendency of Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) to a prophecy that Cindy Jacobs, whom he called a “crazy lady” and the “scariest lady in America,” told him about Hispanics ending abortion rights in California, noting that Rubio appeared to be wearing a LIFE wristband on Election Day ....

The Cindy Jacobs thing was covered a week earlier by RWW:

Religious Right Leaders Urge GOP to Fix Relationship with Heaven-Sent Latinos

Anyway, the full Engles video is full of the speaker ranting in a most religious way about dreams and prophecies, etc. Quite the show.

60 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:51:13am

re: #56 Decatur Deb

My current BFF is from there. She explains it simply as their desire to prey on both combatant armies.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Cool, it's available for the kindle. May give it a read.

61 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:51:23am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Yeah I agree inevitably they were but without Virginians like Lee, war probably ends much quicker. Anyhow regarding Lee, I love how he gets all this love for staying true to Virginia but no one talks about the Virginians who remained true to the Union. Hell, that's how the state of West Virginia was formed in the first place.

One of my cats was named after one of those Virginians that remained loyal. (George Thomas) My avatar Feline Overlord's full name is William T Sherman Cat; Destroyer of Vermin.

I wonder how soon until they start tying the St Andrew's Cross CSA Battle flag directly to anti-homosexual efforts. I'm sure that will go over well in the "heritage not hate" circles who claim said flag was hijacked by hate groups like the KKK.

62 dragonath  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:51:23am

Hey, wasn't Billy Graham supporting the gay marrage ban in North Carolina? He comes across just as badly as Engle when all is said and done.

63 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:52:11am

re: #62 Be Zorch, Daddio

Hey, wasn't Billy Graham supporting the gay marrage ban in North Carolina? He comes across just as badly as Engle when all is said and done.

Yeah he came out in support of it.

64 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:53:17am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

There weren't any pious Union generals these people could model themselves on? I find that hard to believe.

O O Howard. But he was also in charge of the Freedman's Bureau right after the war.

65 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:54:26am

Chamberlain was a religious guy. Believe even an ordained minister too.

66 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:55:03am

This is nice to see...
Christian Science Monitor sees traffic, revenues rising after 3 years of Web-first strategy

There has been a lot of learn-as-you go, Yemma told me, adapting the Monitor’s serious “what it means” and “why this matters” style of journalism to the Web’s possibilities.

For instance, lists and quizzes have become a staple of the report but they are on topics like “are you scientifically literate rather than the Kardashians.”

The site backed off heavy video use and “elaborate multi-media presentations that were nice to do but didn’t attract much readership,” Yemma said. Video is back now, used more selectively, done with a production partner and attracting more robust advertising.

67 Lidane  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:55:48am

Honestly, these people are relics of the past. They need to get the hell over the fact that LGBT people exist and that they aren't going to go away, and that LGBT people have civil rights too.

68 freetoken  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:58:23am

BTW, at 27:38 in the full video:

[Link: event.cbn.com...]

Engle directly blames the Joplin tornado on abortion and that it is evidence that God is chastising America for such sin.

Yes, really.

69 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 4, 2012 11:59:00am

re: #68 freetoken

BTW, at 27:38 in the full video:

[Link: event.cbn.com...]

Engle directly blames the Joplin tornado on abortion and that it is evidence that God is chastising America for such sin.

Yes, really.

Crazy preacher is crazy.

70 Digital Display  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:00:47pm

My Day..My Life
When i was real little I spent some time in a foster home in Washington State..Among others..
I saw my first mountain from where we lived..It was just amazing to me..
So one day i made up my mind to go to the mountain..So I left on my journey to the mountain..Just left one day ( people wonder how I can have such a full resume of foster homes )
I walked for hours and hours and the damn mountain never seemed to get any closer..After a while it did seem to just get taller and I walked in wild eyed amazement but deep disappointment in my journey.. I figured a round trip in a couple of hour..I hadn't prepared that many rations to take and of course didn't tell anybody of my quest and now stood on a country road in the middle of nowhere...The mountain seemingly a million miles away
Now as an adult I have faced many mountains and journeys..
Sometimes, like today, I think the next mountain top victory is so far away it will never arrive..But we keep walking..and walking

71 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:02:11pm

re: #70 HoosierHoops

Hang in there.

72 freetoken  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:03:13pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Crazy preacher is crazy.

It's part of a story he tells of a couple who claim to have had a dream from God, and that they were then put on the podium of the church Obama visited on May 29, 2011 so that they could tell the President to end abortion, and so on ...

73 jaunte  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:10:05pm

Why is he hopping around like that? Must be those demonic principalities and powers.

74 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:12:09pm

re: #70 HoosierHoops

Just remember that 40% of all basketball players are socialists.
;)

75 Digital Display  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:18:26pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Hang in there.

Thanks KT..Everything is alright..just a lot of it right now..For instance..I have been going through my plan on what I'm moving to the Lake house..Simple right? I can't bring myself to remove anything of my folks there. I have a very expensive glass and gold dinning room table.. How can I get rid of the family wooden table we have there? A million memories.. Me and my mom when I was a young man sitting there at the table as the sun was coming up looking out the windows drinking coffee and just talking..It is a special kitchen for me..Do I take any tools? Why? Dad had everything.
The list keeps getting longer of stuff i need to sell..
All the couches there are roll outs so you can sleep 10.. I have a 5000 sofa..There is a damn rollout going to the dumpster..I'm taking my bed..I'll give their bed away..

76 EdDantes  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:19:26pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for- Jefferson Smith

77 jaunte  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:24:29pm

Still more from the right wing purity commission:

Mormon-Bashing Bryan Fischer says He’s “More Mormon” than Mitt Romney

78 freetoken  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:26:18pm

re: #77 jaunte

Fischer is say his magical underwear is more powerful than Mitt's magical underwear?

79 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:26:56pm

re: #77 jaunte

Still more from the right wing purity commission:

Mormon-Bashing Bryan Fischer says He’s “More Mormon” than Mitt Romney

This being from a man who claims the Nazis were all homosexuals.

80 jaunte  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:27:21pm

re: #78 freetoken

Quien es Mas Macho Mormon?

81 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:28:05pm

Way OT: I feel like I just got home from seeing the next Star Wars.

82 Digital Display  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:28:15pm

re: #74 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Just remember that 40% of all basketball players are socialists.
;)

That's why basketball in the most popular sport in China.. They probably put Mao's face on the ball..
/ Hi you!

83 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:29:28pm

re: #81 Assemble!

Way OT: I feel like I just got home from seeing the next Star Wars.

One more word and I'll see you spend the rest of your days locked inside an excruciator.

84 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:29:45pm

re: #83 Kragar

One more word and I'll see you spend the rest of your days locked inside an excruciator.

Word.

85 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:30:28pm

re: #84 Assemble!

Word.

Image: 1234931504682.jpg

86 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:31:34pm

re: #85 Kragar

Two scenes after the credits, fyi.

87 freetoken  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:34:05pm

In the meantime:

5 Pa. priests unsuitable for ministry after sex abuse allegations, Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput says

Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput says five priests have been found not suitable for ministry due to substantiated allegations of sexual abuse or boundary violations.

Chaput says three priests will be returned to ministry while another died during the investigation. He also says 17 other cases have been investigated but the findings are not being announced Friday.

The cardinal also offered his profound apology to the victims of clergy abuse.

The announcements come as a former church official stands trial in the city on child-endangerment charges for allegedly helping the archdiocese cover up abuse complaints.

A February 2011 grand jury report that spawned that case alleges that dozens of accused priests were still active in Philadelphia, despite a zero-tolerance policy among U.S. bishops. The accusations ranged from sexual abuse to inappropriate boundary issues.

88 Eventual Carrion  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:35:01pm

re: #78 freetoken

Fischer is say his magical underwear is more powerful than Mitt's magical underwear?

Yes, the stench is powerful strong.

89 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:35:12pm

re: #86 Assemble!

Two scenes after the credits, fyi.

One more word and...

90 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:36:57pm

re: #70 HoosierHoops

You just reminded me of my "mountain" story that I haven't thought of for many years. Maybe it'll cheer you up. As a young kid (8-9) we lived in the suburbs of Athens and the base of on of the many hills that surround the city. Being the only American kid around I had to make my own adventures and tried many times to climb to the top but always had to turn back. One day I woke up early, filled my little adventure canteen with water, put some coins in my pocket and took a roll of Ritz crackers and set out. Once I passed where the houses stopped the road ended, I walked through the olive groves, then the goat pastures and bee hives and stopped to watch the farmers working. Further up I investigated an old abandoned military pillbox bunker. Further up I climbed to the top on an old crumbling two story watch tower made of stone. By mid day I reached an ancient Greek orthodox monastery. There were no roads up there so the monks were always happy to have visitors as long as you purchased a few beeswax candles to place on the altar. I bought some candles and made my offering at the alter (even as a young atheist already) I walked around and looked at the ancient murals. Some defaced with some characters removed ( I assume somebody found them heretical at some point). A few murals were marred by bullet holes, some crumbling, other's poorly repaired. I left the last human presence on the mountain and spent the rest of the day climbing by myself. All the way to the top where I finally got to see the rolling countryside and patchwork of farms on the other side. It must have been winter because it stater to lightly snow, a rare occasion in Greece. I remember the snow flakes blowing towards me looked like the stars when the Melenium Falcon went into Jump Drive in star wars. I got slightly lost on the way home and arrived well after dark. It was well worth the hassle.
I'm surprised how vividly I remember that day. Summiting the mountain made it memorable but what I remember best is the rest of the day and the journey on the way up.
Hope my story wasn't too long/boring. I thought maybe it might cheer you up.

91 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:37:39pm

re: #89 Kragar

One more word and...

No, he's not in the movie...

92 lawhawk  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:37:46pm

re: #81 Assemble!

A pain amplifier awaits if you give away any important plot points.

93 Digital Display  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:38:53pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Great story!

94 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:39:08pm

re: #92 lawhawk

A pain amplifier awaits if you give away any important plot points.

A pain amplifier inside an excruciator!

95 jaunte  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:39:14pm

Phil Plait:
The Heartland Institute sinks to a new low

Heartland Institute: "The people who still believe in man-made global warming are mostly on the radical fringe of society. This is why the most prominent advocates of global warming aren’t scientists. They are murderers, tyrants, and madmen."

"Approximately 97% of climatologists who actually study climate agree that global warming is real, and caused by humans."

96 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:40:49pm

re: #94 Kragar

A pain amplifier inside an excruciator!

Wait, you're sending me to a Justin Bieber concert?

97 freetoken  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:41:27pm

The Kochs are not creationists:

Billionaire gives Smithsonian $35M for dinosaur hall

An energy businessman is donating a record $35 million to the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History to build a new dinosaur hall on the National Mall, the museum complex announced Thursday.

The donation by David H. Koch, the executive vice president of Koch Industries Inc. of Wichita, Kan., is the single largest gift in the museum's 102-year history. The Smithsonian Board of Regents voted Monday to name the new dinosaur hall in Koch's honor.

Koch of New York City, an engineer trained at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is a billionaire. He was the Libertarian Party's vice presidential candidate in 1980 and has been a major donor to conservative political causes targeting President Barack Obama's policies, as well as to educational, medical and cultural groups.

Since the age of 14, when his father took Koch and his brother Charles to New York's American Museum of Natural History, he fell in love with dinosaurs and has visited museums around the world, he said. It's become a hobby, he said, taking him to visit fields in central Africa where paleontologists were unearthing fossils.

"I just was dazzled by the dinosaurs," he said. After serving on the Smithsonian's Natural History Museum board for five years, "it was just obvious to me that the dinosaur halls were incredibly obsolete, and at least one of the exhibits is over 100 years old."

Calling Koch "an energy businessman" is sort of like saying William Hearst was a west coast printer. Not all "businessmen" are equal.

Of course Koch loves fossils... the teeny tiny ones that turned themselves into oil.

98 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:41:29pm

Anti-Gay Pastor Calls Himself the 'Gayest Guy I Know'

Washington state pastor Ken Hutcherson, who is working with the National Organization for Marriage to repeal his state’s marriage equality law, recently embarked on a campaign to “take back the rainbow” from the gay community. Now, Hutcherson even wants pastors to “come out of the closet” and “shout loud and proud, ‘We are gay!’” As Hutcherson explained in an interview with the Christian Post, it is all part of an effort to retake “hijacked” words, arguing that the word “gay” is inappropriate to describe homosexuals like Dan Savage because there is “nothing gay” about them:

99 CuriousLurker  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:42:42pm

re: #70 HoosierHoops

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Great stories, both. Thanks for telling them. ;)

100 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:42:51pm

re: #96 Assemble!

Wait, you're sending me to a Justin Bieber concert?

with back stage passes, escorted by a class from an all girl Junior High School.

101 wrenchwench  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:44:51pm

re: #98 Kragar

Anti-Gay Pastor Calls Himself the 'Gayest Guy I Know'

They should try to retake the word 'asshole'.

102 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:44:56pm

re: #100 Kragar

with back stage passes, escorted by a class from an all girl Junior High School.

the horror...

the horror...

103 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:45:29pm

re: #97 freetoken

The Kochs are not creationists:

Billionaire gives Smithsonian $35M for dinosaur hall

Ah, 35 million for building a GOP retirement hall. DeMint will be glad to know it's going up.
/


Calling Koch "an energy businessman" is sort of like saying William Hearst was a west coast printer. Not all "businessmen" are equal.

Of course Koch loves fossils... the teeny tiny ones that turned themselves into oil.

35 million for a GOP retirement hall. I'm sure DeMint will appreciate it.

104 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:46:35pm

Back for a second.

On Wednesday, I had a minor breakdown when getting help from a teacher. Teacher sent me to the Counseling Center. Counselor says I likely have Depression from the crap in the past 10 months regarding my family and the stuff at OU.

105 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:46:42pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

They should try to retake the word 'asshole'.

Possession is 9/10 of the law.

106 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:48:09pm

Thought for the day:

I asked God for a bike, but then realized God doesn't work that way, so instead I stole a bike and asked God for forgiveness.

Thanks God.

107 dragonath  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:48:58pm

re: #98 Kragar

Somehow fitting, since people like this have hijacked "Christianity"

108 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:51:34pm

re: #104 ProGunLiberal

This adds another dysfunction to my already dysfunctional self. Autism never comes alone, and in my case, I have 5 comorbid problems. They are:

ADHD
Dysgraphia
Oppositional Defiant Disorder
Hypotonia
Clonus


This might give some explanation for the way I act.

109 Obdicut  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:54:12pm

re: #108 ProGunLiberal

ODD is a diagnosis for children. You're not a child anymore.

You have a lot of things going on, but you can't use them to excuse yourself or you will never improve one whit. To understand yourself, sure, but not excuse yourself.

Or we could all excuse ourselves by saying "Hey, I'm only human."

110 engineer cat  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:54:21pm

Romney set standards that he thought represented what's acceptable.

The Romney standard, in short, would see the economy add 500,000 jobs per month. The former Massachusetts governor said that an unemployment rate above 4 percent is unacceptable.
"We should be seeing numbers in the 500,000 jobs created-per-month.

apparently obama is not using the Majik Job Creating Wand properly

111 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:54:55pm

re: #109 Obdicut

Well, it's more of the fact that I have another issue on top of the others existing.

112 Lidane  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:55:02pm

I am officially DONE with grad school.

Youtube Video

All that's left is giving the final presentation to my client on Monday. Other than gearing up for that, I've got no more classes, no more books, nothing. Graduation is next Saturday. Awesome.

Woohoo!!! :D

113 Targetpractice  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:55:44pm

re: #89 Kragar

One more word and...

Lots of things blow up. That too much?

//

114 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:55:49pm

re: #91 Assemble!

No, he's not in the movie...

Next Thor movie needs Sienna Guillory as The Enchantress and Dwayne Johnson as Skurge the Executioner.

115 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:56:20pm

Tennessee Ernie Ford delivers our response:

Youtube Video

(As I suspected, Ernie's east Tennessee forebears were indeed staunch Unionists during the Civil War)

116 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:56:30pm

re: #112 Lidane

I am officially DONE with grad school.

[Embedded content] All that's left is giving the final presentation to my client on Monday. Other than gearing up for that, I've got no more classes, no more books, nothing. Graduation is next Saturday. Awesome.

Woohoo!!! :D

Congratulations! Now you can get a real job.
/

117 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:57:51pm

Here's my mountain: Parnitha

118 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:58:07pm

re: #112 Lidane

I've got no more classes, no more books, no more teachers dirty looks!!

ftfy

damn, I'm old!

119 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:58:45pm

Emulate Confederate generals?

Does he mean they should be shot by their own people, as Jackson was? Or perhaps they should throw away everything for a cause they don't really support, all in the name of some obscure conception of "honor," as Lee did?

120 Lidane  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:59:17pm

re: #118 sattv4u2

Heh. That's why I posted the song. I was singing it in my head the whole way home. :D

121 dragonath  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:59:42pm

re: #108 ProGunLiberal

You really shouldn't define yourself through jargon. There's a whole lot more to this world than that.

Since this is sort of a civil war thread, one of the interesting guys on the Confederate side (to me, anyway) was James Longstreet. Became a Republican after the war and was an ambassador until 1904.

122 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 12:59:47pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Here's my mountain: Parnitha

Here's mine

Image: anthill.gif

123 CuriousLurker  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:00:17pm

re: #112 Lidane

I am officially DONE with grad school.

[Embedded content] All that's left is giving the final presentation to my client on Monday. Other than gearing up for that, I've got no more classes, no more books, nothing. Graduation is next Saturday. Awesome.

Woohoo!!! :D

That's great, you did good. Congrats!

I know you struggled & worked hard, so I'm really proud of you for sticking with it to the end. Hope you reap lots of rewards for your effort soon. ;)

124 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:02:54pm

re: #111 ProGunLiberal

Well, it's more of the fact that I have another issue on top of the others existing.

Granted. What Obdi is trying to say is that your only real option is to decide that your diagnoses don't control you and push through. Now, that's about 1000x easier said than done and may not be possible to the degree you'd like, but that's life. And it is possible.

My list of diagnoses is/was at least as long as that one and yeah, I've had a very rough go of it at times. But I was able to find ways to work through/past/around most of them and I'm now more functional and happier than ever before in my life. You just can't give up or get buried by it all.

125 Mich-again  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:02:54pm

Judging people and hating for Jesus..

Thems some real fine Christians..

126 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:04:35pm

re: #125 Mich-again

Judging people and hating for Jesus..

Thems some real fine Christians..

"Judge not, lest ye be judged." - Some dude

127 Obdicut  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:08:16pm

re: #124 Simply Sarah

In Gaelic, even for moods, you don't say "I am happy," or "I am sad". You say the equivalent of "I have a happiness upon me." likewise, for compulsions, they externalize them. It's a healthy perspective in dealing with emotion, I think, realizing that they're not us, they're a force upon us.

128 Mich-again  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:08:23pm

re: #126 Kragar

"Judge not, lest ye be judged." - Some dude

Arrogance is thinking that God needs you to defend him in Court..

129 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:12:06pm

This is not from the Onion

New Super PAC Aims To Eliminate All Super PACs

ASPFTPEASP appears to be the first committee formed with the mission of self-annihilation. The group’s website lists a two-pronged mission:

America’s Super PACs For the Permanent Elimination of America’s Super PACs will seek to raise awareness of the usage of Super PACs during elections and advise citizens on how to demand (from their respective representatives) that Super PACs be removed from politics.

America’s Super PAC For The Permanent Elimination of America’s Super PACs seeks to call for a constitutional convention where an amendment will be proposed to ensure that corporations are never considered to be people. Why? They’re not. Plain and simple.

130 Obdicut  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:13:59pm

re: #129 Kragar

I would totally do that if I had a bunch of money.

131 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:15:56pm

re: #128 Mich-again

Arrogance is thinking that God needs you to defend him in Court..

For an omnipotent, omniscient supreme being, he certainly seems to come across as an ineffectual whiny bitch who can't even defend himself recently.

As proof, I point to the people who take offense to the above comment while I continue to sit here unstruck by lightning.

132 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:16:12pm

re: #114 Kragar

Next Thor movie needs Sienna Guillory as The Enchantress and Dwayne Johnson as Skurge the Executioner.

I say bring on Surtur.

133 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:16:51pm

re: #130 Obdicut

I would totally do that if I had a bunch of money.

I'll stick with the hookers and blackjack.

134 Eventual Carrion  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:17:08pm

re: #129 Kragar

This is not from the Onion

New Super PAC Aims To Eliminate All Super PACs

I approve of this message.

135 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:18:18pm

re: #129 Kragar

That is actually not a bad idea.

136 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:18:50pm

re: #127 Obdicut

In Gaelic, even for moods, you don't say "I am happy," or "I am sad". You say the equivalent of "I have a happiness upon me." likewise, for compulsions, they externalize them. It's a healthy perspective in dealing with emotion, I think, realizing that they're not us, they're a force upon us.

Well, yes and no. I can't say I fully agree because, to be honest, in my case one of the biggest events in changing my life around towards the happy, stable track it is now on was one night when I had the epiphany that a big part of it was me.

I honestly have trouble explaining it beyond it being me realizing "No, seriously, you are being an idiot about things, dumbass. You are hurting people. Yes, really." and at that moment, it was like something snapped into place. There was regret and sorrow, but it was quickly replaced with a kind of claim I had never felt before. It was an extreme level of claim and peace for a few days, after which it basically reverted to my new normal, which was still claim and peaceful but wasn't quite so "zen". Just like that I in many ways felt like and became a different person.

I suppose though that the key for me was that I stopped feeling sorry for myself and blaming myself (And others) and simple just decided the solution was to fix the problems internally. Something I wish I had been able to work about about 20 years ago, but that's life.

137 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:18:58pm

re: #132 Assemble!

I say bring on Surtur.

He can be the guy the Enchantress tricks Thor into fighting using Skurge to do her dirty work.

138 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:19:38pm

re: #108 ProGunLiberal

This adds another dysfunction to my already dysfunctional self. Autism never comes alone, and in my case, I have 5 comorbid problems. They are:

ADHD
Dysgraphia
Oppositional Defiant Disorder
Hypotonia
Clonus

This might give some explanation for the way I act.

You probably know this, but Clonus is often associated with adverse drug reactions. Serotonin syndrome as a side effect might explain some of the other conditions you describe as well.

139 dragonath  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:20:34pm

re: #137 Kragar

I looooooove Simonson's run on Thor!!

140 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:21:10pm

re: #137 Kragar

He can be the guy the Enchantress tricks Thor into fighting using Skurge to do her dirty work.

I just want to see a Black Widow movie where she sneaks into Fox and Sony's headquarters and steals back the rights to all of those properties.

141 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:21:30pm

re: #139 Be Zorch, Daddio

I looove Simonson's run on Thor!!

Best ever.

142 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:21:56pm

re: #139 Be Zorch, Daddio

I looove Simonson's run on Thor!!

Those were the best days.

143 Obdicut  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:22:21pm

re: #136 Simply Sarah

Well sure, your actions are you. And certainly you could make an argument that emotions-- the output of glands-- are you. But you know what I mean.

144 wrenchwench  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:23:48pm

re: #143 Obdicut

Well sure, your actions are you. And certainly you could make an argument that emotions-- the output of glands-- are you. But you know what I mean.

I has a happy!

145 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:23:52pm

re: #143 Obdicut

Well sure, your actions are you. And certainly you could make an argument that emotions-- the output of glands-- are you. But you know what I mean.

I do. I'm just saying that, for me, seeing the problems as internal was extremely helpful in dealing with them. For others, viewing them as external may work best.

146 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:24:52pm

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

Wikipedia said nothing on that for Clonus. Thanks for telling me. I'm going off the diagnosis I got from High School.

147 Obdicut  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:25:40pm

re: #145 Simply Sarah

I think it's just a different set of internal and external. The way you talked about it being really you hurting people, to me, that isn't related to internal or external.

148 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:27:40pm

re: #147 Obdicut

I think it's just a different set of internal and external. The way you talked about it being really you hurting people, to me, that isn't related to internal or external.

Perhaps, but I also saw my anger as coming from within, rather than projected onto me. Now, could I view it another way as being external? Sure, but that is basically past me now so I see it as neither.

149 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:27:53pm

My thought on reading the post and watching the video?

Amateurs study tactics. Experts study logistics. - Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

Because, for quite a while the South had better generals. It didn't matter because the North was an industrial state with huge production capacity and the railroads to deliver the necessities of war to the front.

150 Obdicut  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:28:52pm

re: #148 Simply Sarah

I think there are different kinds of emotions, some of which are meaningful, others of which are just noise in the signal.

151 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:29:16pm

re: #141 Assemble!

Best ever.

All that is awesome in one cover

Image: thor-362.jpg

152 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:29:45pm

re: #149 Romantic Heretic

My thought on reading the post and watching the video?

Because, for quite a while the South had better generals. It didn't matter because the North was an industrial state with huge production capacity and the railroads to deliver the necessities of war to the front.

Why do you think Rome built so many roads?

153 CuriousLurker  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:29:56pm

Heh, look like someone's still not pleased with Mittens:

154 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:30:55pm

re: #150 Obdicut

I think there are different kinds of emotions, some of which are meaningful, others of which are just noise in the signal.

Well sure. In any case, I'm not even sure we're "debating" anything of much value at this point.

155 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:31:16pm

This is awful - the Falling Bear was hit by a car and killed yesterday.

Image: fallingbear.jpg

156 blueraven  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:31:41pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

Heh, look like someone's still not pleased with Mittens:

[Embedded content]

There is no appeasing these people. He should have known better and stood up to these creeps.

157 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:32:05pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

Heh, look like someone's still not pleased with Mittens:

[Embedded content]

What? The legendary Triple Etch-A-Sketch? Impossible! Not even Mitt has the skill to pull that move off successfully!

158 Obdicut  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:32:07pm

re: #154 Simply Sarah

Well sure. In any case, I'm not even sure we're "debating" anything of much value at this point.

I didn't think we were debating.

159 CuriousLurker  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:32:40pm

re: #156 blueraven

There is no appeasing these people. He should have known better and stood up to these creeps.

I was just thinking the exact same thing.

160 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:33:02pm

re: #158 Obdicut

I didn't think we were debating.

Hence the quotes. I wasn't sure how to frame the line of discussion.

161 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:33:21pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

Heh, look like someone's still not pleased with Mittens:

[Embedded content]

Which is why the "Romney bows to evangelicals" thing doesn't pass the sniff test for me.
Romney defends gay staffer who resigned, calls Grenell ‘very accomplished’
Mitt has slammed Fischer in the past for intolerance and doesn't seem to be trying to woo him. This whole thing was most likely over last week's outrage over the tweets, homophobia probably wasn't a factor.

162 dragonath  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:34:34pm

re: #151 Kragar

That issue was GREAT

My favorite Kirby stuff was the stuff he did on Thor. I even kind of like Colletta's inking.

Uh, Colletta was an interesting dude.

"Marvel Editors... you are the droppings of the creative world"

163 wrenchwench  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:35:16pm

re: #153 CuriousLurker

Heh, look like someone's still not pleased with Mittens:

[Embedded content]

Fischer didn't get the memo: the new 'threw him under the bus' is 'threw him on the roof of the car'.

164 Obdicut  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:36:15pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

This whole thing was most likely over last week's outrage over the tweets, homophobia probably wasn't a factor.

Can you explain your reasoning, rather than asserting it?

165 CuriousLurker  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:38:42pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

I dunno, after this week I've given up trying to understand partisan politics in general and wingnut mentality in particular. I figure all I can do it just avoid it as much as possible in the interests of maintaining sanity & a reasonably positive outlook.

166 Interesting Times  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:39:59pm
167 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:42:26pm

re: #152 Kragar

Why do you think Rome built so many roads?

Plus they were really good for business.

168 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:43:01pm

re: #166 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

So if Mitt DIDN'T criticize Fisher, he would have been wrong, and because he DID criticize him, he was wrong!!

Cool game!!!

169 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:43:28pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Which is why the "Romney bows to evangelicals" thing doesn't pass the sniff test for me.
Romney defends gay staffer who resigned, calls Grenell ‘very accomplished’
Mitt has slammed Fischer in the past for intolerance and doesn't seem to be trying to woo him. This whole thing was most likely over last week's outrage over the tweets, homophobia probably wasn't a factor.

I see. It was all because of the "leftist outrage over the Tweets." Got it.

No wait. He started deleting those before "the left" even brought that up. He seemed to be embarrassed about those Tweets all on his own. Seemed as he knew something was wrong with those.

As far as claiming that the religious right had nothing to do with this. Well. Just more hot air on your part.

170 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:45:34pm

re: #168 sattv4u2

So if Mitt DIDN'T criticize Fisher, he would have been wrong, and because he DID criticize him, he was wrong!!

Cool game!!!

You do realize that LOLGOP is a satirical account right? And that his Tweets are to be thought of within that context. It's sort of like taking Jon Stewart seriously.

171 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:45:44pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Which is why the "Romney bows to evangelicals" thing doesn't pass the sniff test for me.
Romney defends gay staffer who resigned, calls Grenell ‘very accomplished’
Mitt has slammed Fischer in the past for intolerance and doesn't seem to be trying to woo him. This whole thing was most likely over last week's outrage over the tweets, homophobia probably wasn't a factor.

Mitt's campaign was telling the guy to keep his mouth shut during calls he had set up for the campaign, just so they wouldn't attract attention from Fischer and his ilk in the days before this story broke and before it even showed up in twitter.

172 Targetpractice  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:45:46pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Which is why the "Romney bows to evangelicals" thing doesn't pass the sniff test for me.
Romney defends gay staffer who resigned, calls Grenell ‘very accomplished’
Mitt has slammed Fischer in the past for intolerance and doesn't seem to be trying to woo him. This whole thing was most likely over last week's outrage over the tweets, homophobia probably wasn't a factor.

Based upon what? Because Willard comes out, days after it might have mattered, and takes a swipe at Fischer? If Grenell's sexuality and his views on gay rights didn't matter, why couldn't he say as much even a week ago, when it might have mattered? Why did he wait until the Friday newsdump, three days after Grenell marched out the door, to speak up?

173 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:47:35pm

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

My mom and the teachers I have had focused on the Autism near exclusively. I had to go out and look up information for the others. Wikipedia still needs more work.

174 Bulworth  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:49:10pm

Also, too: Lee and Stonewall we're on the wrong side, fighting in defense of slavery. Idiot.

175 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:49:21pm

re: #170 Gus

You do realize that LOLGOP is a satirical account right? And that his Tweets are to be thought of within that context. It's sort of like taking Jon Stewart seriously.

Ahh ,, what do I know

I'm just a,,,, hmmm,, whats the phrase,,,, "freaking moron" !!!

176 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:49:28pm

Look, I said it before and I'll say it again, it could be Romney bowed to homophobic attacks in keeping him under wraps, it could have been that he was responding to the anger over his tweets, or it could have been a combination of both. The first would be awful, but the second really isn't great either since it would suggest vetting wasn't as careful as it should have been and they weren't prepared to deal with the blowback from the left over the tweets.

177 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:50:48pm

JT Ready’s Last Rant: Before The Massacre, The Neo-Nazi Border Vigilante Named Names

Far from disabusing anyone of the idea he was bigot, Ready’s email was filled with invectives about Jews and immigrants. But it detailed the politicians and events he said helped him find his way to extremism over the years.

“I was not born with a Klan robe on,” he wrote. “Contrary to popular belief, my mother did not Sieg Heil! a bottle into my chubby cherub face with Nazi zeal. I was actually raised pretty liberal and in a democrat home with multiculturalism all around us. Zionists even. But all was not right in Disneyland.”

The same lengthy rant he sent by email was also published in a corner of the website Ready maintained for his militia-style border watch group, which he called the U.S. Border Guard. That website disappeared this week following his death. The only thing left was a message that said the site had been “suspended indefinitely out of respect for the family and friends of the deceased.”

In light of these events, TPM is publishing some of the emails key excerpts, which either show his connections with mainstream politicians in Arizona or else demonstrate his awareness that he and his group were being watched by law enforcement.

Some of the events he described in the email have not been independently verified. Others, like his relationship with former state Sen. Russell Pearce, are well documented. Be warned, some of the text below is filled with language that may be offensive. The email was also written in an unusual style with certain internet URLs written in the middle of sentences rather than included as links. Those URLs have been removed for clarity.

178 darthstar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:57:55pm

Remember the Alamo! That's where Jesus was crucified.

179 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:58:44pm

re: #178 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Remember the Alamo! That's where Jesus was crucified.

Confederate Jesus, American Jesus or Texas Jesus?

180 darthstar  Fri, May 4, 2012 1:59:41pm

re: #179 Gus

Confederate Jesus, American Jesus or Texas Jesus?

Illegal Immigrant Jesus.

181 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:00:01pm

re: #179 Gus

Confederate Jesus, American Jesus or Texas Jesus?

Dashboard Jesus

Image: dashboard+jesus.jpg

182 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:00:28pm

re: #180 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Illegal Immigrant Jesus.

I know that guy. Did some yard work for me. Nice guy.

183 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:00:44pm

re: #177 Kragar

I noticed this:

Anti-Tank Grenades Found At Ariz. Neo-Nazi Massacre Site

Can we have an investigation into how he found these things?

184 darthstar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:00:53pm

re: #181 sattv4u2

Dashboard Jesus

Image: dashboard+jesus.jpg

You and your bad links...Blogspot never lets you share...because blogspot hates jesus.

185 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:01:20pm

re: #181 sattv4u2

Dashboard Jesus

Image: dashboard+jesus.jpg

Is he plastic?

186 Obdicut  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:01:54pm

re: #185 Gus

Chocolate.

Youtube Video
187 Jay C  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:02:15pm

Engle also pointed to Stonewall Jackson for “rallying the Virginians” against the Union as a model to fight the “homosexual agenda” and the demonic “principalities and powers” behind homosexuality.

Umm., so Abe Lincoln WAS gay? And not only gay, but a gay Satanist as well? And a gay Satanist traitor, too most likely,, since those "principalities and powers" Engle alludes to are probably FOREIGN "powers" - we all know if they're "demonic" they can't really be AMERICAN! ??

Wow. How come we never read this stuff in history books?

188 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:02:17pm

re: #183 ProGunLiberal

I noticed this:

Anti-Tank Grenades Found At Ariz. Neo-Nazi Massacre Site

Can we have an investigation into how he found these things?

He and his crew had bragged they were looking into buying a tank. One of them got arrested with a truck load of pipe bombs. Someone had better be investigating that whole crew to see what they've gotten their hands on.

189 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:04:51pm

re: #184 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

You and your bad links...Blogspot never lets you share...because blogspot hates jesus.

:(

190 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:05:58pm

Fischer Calls Out Romney: 'How Is He Going to Stand Up to North Korea if He Can Be Pushed around by a Yokel Like Me?'

Today, Fischer asserted that Romney shouldn’t expect voters to trust him to confront China, Russia or North Korea if he cannot stand up to “a conservative radio talk show host in Middle America.” “I don’t think for one minute that Mitt Romney did not want this guy gone,” Fischer continued, “he wanted this guy gone because there was not one word of defense, not a peep, from the Romney camp to defend him.”

Fischer: Let me ask you this question, people have raised this question, if Mitt Romney can be pushed around, intimidated, coerced, coopted by a conservative radio talk show host in Middle America, then how is he going to stand up to the Chinese? How is he going to stand up to Putin? How is he going to stand up to North Korea if he can be pushed around by a yokel like me? I don’t think Romney is realizing the doubts that this begins to raise about his leadership. I don’t think for one minute that Mitt Romney did not want this guy gone; he wanted this guy gone because there was not one word of defense, not a peep, from the Romney camp to defend him. They just went absolutely stone cold silent, they put a bag over Grenell’s head, they even asked him to organize this phone conference and they didn’t even let him speak at the conference that he organized.

Hey Mitt, how is kissing Fischer's ass working out for you?

191 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:07:21pm

re: #185 Gus

Is he plastic?

No
Life size
Flesh and blood

It's a really Really REALLY big dashboard

192 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:08:50pm

re: #187 Jay C

Well, Lincoln was likely an Atheist. At the very least, he certainly was not Christian as we would define him.

There were a few like that. Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe were Deists (outright non-Christian). John, JQ Adams, and Fillmore were Unitarians (most conservative Christians today would call them non-Christian).

193 darthstar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:08:50pm

Heh...

194 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:09:37pm
195 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:10:26pm

re: #193 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Heh...

[Embedded content]

"You better listen and do what we say if you expect to win, but when you do, we're going to rain down shit on you for doing it."

Followed soon with:

"WHY ARE YOU IGNORING US?!"

196 darthstar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:11:14pm

re: #195 Kragar

"You better listen and do what we say if you expect to win, but when you do, we're going to rain down shit on you for doing it."

Followed soon with:

"WHY ARE YOU IGNORING US?!"

Mitt Romney: "Why don't the bigots like me?"

Sorry, Mitt...nobody actually likes you.

197 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:13:17pm

re: #196 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Mitt Romney: "Why don't the bigots like me?"

Sorry, Mitt...nobody actually likes you.

If Romney was a color, it would be beige. If Romney was a flavor of ice cream, it would be beige.

198 darthstar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:14:16pm

re: #197 Kragar

If Romney was a color, it would be beige. If Romney was a flavor of ice cream, it would be beige.

Romney fires beige from the color spectrum because it sounds gay.

199 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:14:37pm

Oh man...

'Fox Mole' scores six-figure book deal

200 jaunte  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:15:28pm

re: #193 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

"Let me ask you this question, people have raised this question, if Mitt Romney can be pushed around, intimidated, coerced, coopted by a conservative radio talk show host in Middle America, then how is he going to stand up to the Chinese? How is he going to stand up to Putin? How is he going to stand up to North Korea if he can be pushed around by a yokel like me? I don’t think Romney is realizing the doubts that this begins to raise about his leadership."

It's amazing that Bryan Fischer, of all people, is now writing ads for the Obama campaign.

201 darthstar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:16:43pm

re: #200 jaunte

It's amazing that Bryan Fischer, of all people, is now writing ads for the Obama campaign.

Yep...And that one is on tape and can be aired repeatedly around the time of the GOP convention.

202 Kragar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:16:57pm

re: #198 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Romney fires beige from the color spectrum because it sounds gay.

Romney has all the sizzle of lukewarm tapwater on a cold griddle.

203 darthstar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:17:18pm

re: #199 Gus

Oh man...

'Fox Mole' scores six-figure book deal

I wanna be a Fox mole...but not a malignant one.

204 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:18:33pm

Wut?

205 darthstar  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:19:30pm

re: #204 Gus

Wut?

[Embedded content]

Nugent is just trying to be civil. He's not very good at it.

206 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:20:03pm

re: #205 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Nugent is just trying to be civil. He's not very good at it.

I'm getting a headache. Feeling weak.

207 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:20:44pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Which is why the "Romney bows to evangelicals" thing doesn't pass the sniff test for me.
Romney defends gay staffer who resigned, calls Grenell ‘very accomplished’
Mitt has slammed Fischer in the past for intolerance and doesn't seem to be trying to woo him. This whole thing was most likely over last week's outrage over the tweets, homophobia probably wasn't a factor.

From the very article you link to, supposedly in support of your argument:

Romney hired Grenell last month as his campaign’s national security and foreign policy spokesman, but Grenell resigned this week because he said the backlash from some conservatives over his sexuality diminished his ability to do his job.

You're hilarious, really. It's all right there in the second paragraph in plain, unambiguous English. However instead of comprehending and accepting Grenell's own reported explanation you totally ignore it and substitute your own completely unsupported fantasy in place of reality. What kind of pig headed ideological filters can possibly explain this kind of behavior, is this simply contrarianism taken to its farthest, most ridiculous extreme?

208 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:22:20pm

re: #203 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

I wanna be a Fox mole...but not a malignant one.

Not me

I wanna be the guy that picks the "ring girls" for the Mayweather/ Cotto fight tomorrow night

We're broadcasting the pre-press conference right now and they have the girls walking the dignitaries/ fighters on stage

211 Amory Blaine  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:27:37pm

re: #199 Gus

He's an opportunist little hack. What was his big scoop? Absolutely nothing.

212 dragonfire1981  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:28:36pm

Would you order this service?

(possibly NSFW)

213 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:28:39pm

re: #211 Amory Blaine

He's an opportunist little hack. What was his big scoop? Absolutely nothing.

That there is a jar in the news lunchroom for coffee donations!!
/

214 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:29:37pm

Mitt Romney has girl trouble

215 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:29:41pm

re: #212 dragonfire1981

Would you order this service?

(possibly NSFW)

iirc, there was a topless drive thru donut shop a few years back. I want to say it was in Cali or Texas

216 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:31:36pm

re: #212 dragonfire1981

Would you order this service?

(possibly NSFW)


police won't investigate until they receive a complaint. So far they have not received one.
They will as soon as "wifey" finds out what "hubby" ordered while "wifey" was out of town

217 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:32:16pm

re: #212 dragonfire1981

Would you order this service?

(possibly NSFW)

Of course not. Those extreme high heels are a Workmans' Comp claim waiting to happen.

218 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:32:55pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Of course not. Those extreme high heels are a Workmans' Comp claim waiting to happen.

"I;ve fallen, and he won't let me up"!!

219 Eventual Carrion  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:33:17pm

re: #188 Kragar

He and his crew had bragged they were looking into buying a tank. One of them got arrested with a truck load of pipe bombs. Someone had better be investigating that whole crew to see what they've gotten their hands on.

Maybe someone was/is, and they were so close that he took this cowardly way out.

220 Cheechako  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:33:43pm

re: #215 sattv4u2

iirc, there was a topless drive thru donut shop a few years back. I want to say it was in Cali or Texas

"Debbie Does Doughnuts" in Ft. Collins, Colorado.
Never stopped to check the menu.

221 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:34:10pm

re: #220 Cheechako

"Debbie Does Doughnuts" in Ft. Collins, Colorado.
Never stopped to check the menu.

Ahh ,, thanks

222 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:34:14pm

re: #204 Gus

But for Nugent, it was just a normal day.

223 Amory Blaine  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:36:11pm

There's a place in Madison called Smut and Eggs. It serves pornography with your breakfast. :)

In most instances, people view porn in private, and presumably don't eat while doing so. The concept of Smut n' Eggs serves as a test of will, a challenge in which only the strong can gobble sausage links and ogle explicit sex acts without a hint of irony. But since not addressing the 800-pound gorilla in the room is rarely an option, the real trick is conducting a porn-related discussion without spoiling everyone's appetite.

224 sattv4u2  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:40:32pm

re: #223 Amory Blaine

There's a place in Madison called Smut and Eggs. It serves pornography with your breakfast. :)

Though the A/V riggings look a little rudimentary, Bennett's shows three different pornos simultaneously, providing a rare opportunity for comparative analysis of set design, cinematography, and makeup in adult cinema

yup,, thats why I watch porn ,,,
/

225 JeffM70  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:41:34pm

re: #169 Gus

I'm sure OWS is somehow behind it, too.

226 Gus  Fri, May 4, 2012 2:45:01pm

Going horizontal. Later.

227 Cynthia Gee  Sat, May 5, 2012 12:06:22pm

So to combat the propagation of disorders of human sexuality, Mr. Engle would have us emulate seditionists and criminals like Lee and Jackson, whose treasonous actions caused the death of hundreds of thousands of their fellow Americans in order that their fellow aristocrats in the South could continue to practice their "peculiar institution" of chattel slavery????
.... and not only that, but he raises Lee and Jackson to the level of "anointed" prophets!!!
This man truly has his priorities upside down, in a manner reminiscent of CS Lewis's observation concerning Satan, who, Lewis posited, "would be quite content to see your chilblains cured if he was allowed, in return, to give you cancer"!

228 Patricia Kayden  Mon, May 7, 2012 4:45:56am

"Somebody should let ol’ Lou know that the Confederacy lost."

Yes, homophobes should emulate losers. Perfect.


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