Onion: Obama Makes Deal With Republicans to Get Kicked in Balls
The tree of liberty must occasionally be kicked in the balls by patriots
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 8:41:27pm |
Obama Makes Deal With Republicans to Get Kicked in Balls
Also known as "The Budget Control Act of 2011."
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palomino Mon, May 7, 2012 8:44:55pm |
Bipartisanship at last! What a great day for America.
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 8:46:07pm |
OT:
I think we have a winner for "Most Tepid Endorsement of Mitt Romney."
Santorum endorses one-time rival Romney
WASHINGTON (AP) — Rick Santorum is endorsing his one-time bitter rival Mitt Romney in a late-night e-mail to his supporters.
Santorum on Monday urged his supporters to join him in working with the effective Republican nominee to deny President Barack Obama a second term. In his message, Santorum reminded his supporters of areas where he disagreed with Romney during their slog of a primary.
Yet Santorum says that, in his words, "above all else, we both agree that President Obama must be defeated."
During their contest, Santorum bitterly clashed with Romney. At one point, Santorum called Romney the worst Republican in the country to challenge Obama.
The two met on Friday at the office of Santorum's strategist, and Romney sought to assure Santorum of his conservative credentials.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 8:46:22pm |
Too bad Boehner and McConnell never compromise to get kicked in the balls themselves.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 8:48:06pm |
re: #5 Targetpractice
OT:
I think we have a winner for "Most Tepid Endorsement of Mitt Romney."
I think Newt may have won that actually. The same day he was endorsing Mitt, he described Mitt as someone who will lie to you which you know is probably true. Not that Newt is an exemplifies honesty and virtue though.
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 8:50:50pm |
re: #7 HappyWarrior
I think Newt may have won that actually. The same day he was endorsing Mitt, he described Mitt as someone who will lie to you which you know is probably true. Not that Newt is an exemplifies honesty and virtue though.
In that case, it'd be more of a tie, as both are absolutely transparent, Newt looking for a fat check to retire his campaign debt, while Torquemada Jr's looking to keep on the good side of party "moderates."
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jaunte Mon, May 7, 2012 8:51:22pm |
re: #5 Targetpractice
Santorum is delusional:
'The America we know is being fundamentally changed to look more like a European socialist state than the land of opportunity our founding fathers established.
Freedom and personal responsibility are being replaced with big government dependency. The greatest and most productive workers in the world are being hamstrung by excessive regulations making it impossible to compete. Our healthcare system had been socialized, and the worth of each life dictated by some government bureaucrat. Our allies are insulted while our enemies are appeased.* And our religious beliefs and freedom have come under attack."
[Link: www.ricksantorum.com...]
*Some appeasement includes Predator-fired explosive armaments, or personal Seal Team service.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 8:51:55pm |
re: #8 Targetpractice
In that case, it'd be more of a tie, as both are absolutely transparent, Newt looking for a fat check to retire his campaign debt, while Torquemada Jr's looking to keep on the good side of party "moderates."
What I love is even though Mitt's won, he still has alot of ass kissing to do to prove he's a "real conservative." I bet he will be happy when it's all over even if Obama beats him.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 7, 2012 8:53:01pm |
re: #10 HappyWarrior
What I love is even though Mitt's won, he still has alot of ass kissing to do to prove he's a "real conservative." I bet he will be happy when it's all over even if Obama beats him.
That I can agree with.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 8:53:09pm |
re: #9 jaunte
Santorum is delusional:
*Some appeasement includes Predator-fired explosive armaments, or personal Seal Team service.
Enemies are appeased? What planet does this dumbshit live on. It's not just Bin Laden that is dead. It's Qaddafi, the guy in the Cole bombing, and others. Santorum is so full of crap, I sometimes wonder if he actually believes what he spouts.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 7, 2012 8:55:48pm |
re: #12 HappyWarrior
Enemies are appeased? What planet does this dumbshit live on. It's not just Bin Laden that is dead. It's Qaddafi, the guy in the Cole bombing, and others. Santorum is so full of crap, I sometimes wonder if he actually believes what he spouts.
Yeah, I don't really get that either --unless appeasement means not bombing the countries into glass and force converting anyone who might have lived thru it.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 8:58:04pm |
re: #13 ggt
Yeah, I don't really get that either --unless appeasement means not bombing the countries into glass and force converting anyone who might have lived thru it.
I mean how does anyone look at Obama's foreign policy and say he is appeasing. I mean shit, I may not have liked Bush's foreign policy but if I were to suggest that Bush's foreign policy appeasement. I'd be laughed at. I think Santorum is pandering to the idiots in the Republican base who want to believe Obama is this appeaser.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 7, 2012 9:00:57pm |
re: #14 HappyWarrior
I mean how does anyone look at Obama's foreign policy and say he is appeasing. I mean shit, I may not have liked Bush's foreign policy but if I were to suggest that Bush's foreign policy appeasement. I'd be laughed at. I think Santorum is pandering to the idiots in the Republican base who want to believe Obama is this appeaser.
It's the authoritarian paternal types who think you can solve world problems by giving strict orders and following up with bombs if people don't do what you say. I mean, we are American, after-all. The only real superpower --PEOPLE SHOULD LISTEN AND DO WHAT WE SAY!!!
To them, anything less is appeasement.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:03:23pm |
re: #15 ggt
It's the authoritarian paternal types who think you can solve world problems by giving strict orders and following up with bombs if people don't do what you say. I mean, we are American, after-all. The only real superpower --PEOPLE SHOULD LISTEN AND DO WHAT WE SAY!!!
To them, anything less is appeasement.
Yeah I agree with that. Just would think a US Senator would be smart enough to comprehend that it's not that simple. I mean granted it's one with a well deserved reputation as a nutcase. The people of the world have got to be relieved that Santorum has no chance of getting elected president now that Romney's the presumptive nominee.
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palomino Mon, May 7, 2012 9:04:44pm |
re: #10 HappyWarrior
What I love is even though Mitt's won, he still has alot of ass kissing to do to prove he's a "real conservative." I bet he will be happy when it's all over even if Obama beats him.
Makes me pine for the good old days when a gop prez candidate didn't have to debase himself in such a way. Like with Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr., who for the most part didn't have to get into a "Quien es mas macho" pissing match with the base.
Why anyone thinks the GOP will return to those days soon is beyond me. Win (like in 2010) or lose (2006, 2008) the gop just keeps moving rightward.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 9:05:10pm |
re: #14 HappyWarrior
I mean how does anyone look at Obama's foreign policy and say he is appeasing. I mean shit, I may not have liked Bush's foreign policy but if I were to suggest that Bush's foreign policy appeasement. I'd be laughed at. I think Santorum is pandering to the idiots in the Republican base who want to believe Obama is this appeaser.
Let's not fool ourselves. Rick Santorum isn't pandering. This is him. He speaks "idiot" rather fluently and other idiots listen.
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Achilles Tang Mon, May 7, 2012 9:06:22pm |
re: #16 HappyWarrior
Yeah I agree with that. Just would think a US Senator would be
smartprincipled enough to comprehend that it's not that simple.
fixed. goodnight.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:06:47pm |
re: #18 Gus
Let's not fool ourselves. Rick Santorum isn't pandering. This is him. He speaks "idiot" rather fluently and other idiots listen.
Yeah true enough. I know it shouldn't shock me but I am still amazed he was Romney's biggest challenger and lasted as long as he did.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:07:38pm |
re: #17 palomino
Makes me pine for the good old days when a gop prez candidate didn't have to debase himself in such a way. Like with Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr., who for the most part didn't have to get into a "Quien es mas macho" pissing match with the base.
Why anyone thinks the GOP will return to those days soon is beyond me. Win (like in 2010) or lose (2006, 2008) the gop just keeps moving rightward.
I still don't know what a real conservative is but I know I probably don't like it.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 9:07:39pm |
re: #20 HappyWarrior
Yeah true enough. I know it shouldn't shock me but I am still amazed he was Romney's biggest challenger and lasted as long as he did.
It's the new America. Or is that old-new? Or something.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 7, 2012 9:08:30pm |
re: #21 HappyWarrior
I still don't know what a real conservative is but I know I probably don't like it.
Real conservatives invest in Bonds --even when derivatives are going thru the roof.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:10:13pm |
re: #22 Gus
It's the new America. Or is that old-new? Or something.
I don't know. Got a lot of people stuck in the past though who don't want to move forward obviously.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 7, 2012 9:11:10pm |
re: #25 HappyWarrior
I don't know. Got a lot of people stuck in the past though who don't want to move forward obviously.
And think it isn't to late to forestall change that happened 10 years ago.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, May 7, 2012 9:13:17pm |
Mitt Romney is taking credit for the success of the auto industry. No, really.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
"I pushed the idea of a managed bankruptcy, and finally when that was done, and help was given, the companies got back on their feet," Romney said in an interview inside a Cleveland-area auto parts maker. "So, I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry has come back."
But Obama can't take credit for killing Osama. I just don't know what to say about this fucker. Really GOP? This is the best you've got?
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Lidane Mon, May 7, 2012 9:14:21pm |
re: #25 HappyWarrior
I don't know. Got a lot of people stuck in the past though who don't want to move forward obviously.
These are people who still can't accept that the Cold War is over and that the world that existed before Netscape and other internet browsers is gone forever and will never return. They hate change to begin with (since conservatives, by definition, favor the status quo and tradition) and the rapid changes in communications, business, and damn near everything else are scary for them.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:14:46pm |
re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal
Mitt Romney is taking credit for the success of the auto industry. No, really.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
But Obama can't take credit for killing Osama. I just don't know what to say about this fucker. Really GOP? This is the best you've got?
Weren't his exact words "Let Detroit fail." What a narcissistic jerk that guy is. Yeah, Mitt, you're why the industry came back. Stupid egotist needs a humbling at the polls come November.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:15:09pm |
re: #28 Lidane
These are people who still can't accept that the Cold War is over and that the world that existed before Netscape and other internet browsers is gone forever and will never return. They hate change to begin with (since conservatives, by definition, favor the status quo and tradition) and the rapid changes in communications, business, and damn near everything else are scary for them.
Quite true.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 7, 2012 9:15:10pm |
re: #29 HappyWarrior
Weren't his exact words "Let Detroit fail." What a narcissistic jerk that guy is. Yeah, Mitt, you're why the industry came back. Stupid egotist needs a humbling at the polls come November.
Can we blame him for the current state of Detroit?
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freetoken Mon, May 7, 2012 9:15:39pm |
re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal
You beat me to it (the story just came across the OfficialWire feed.)
Anyway, it seems that Mitt wants to be seen as the savior:
Romney has repeatedly made that argument. But he went further on Monday by saying he deserves credit for the recent successes of the auto industry.
Yup.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 9:15:41pm |
re: #25 HappyWarrior
I don't know. Got a lot of people stuck in the past though who don't want to move forward obviously.
Sign of the times I guess. Remember how the old timers used to say "you can't stop progress?"
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, May 7, 2012 9:15:47pm |
re: #16 HappyWarrior
Yeah I agree with that. Just would think a US Senator would be smart enough to comprehend that it's not that simple. I mean granted it's one with a well deserved reputation as a nutcase. The people of the world have got to be relieved that Santorum has no chance of getting elected president now that Romney's the presumptive nominee.
Romney is taking credit for the auto industry's success, No, he really is. I'm not sure the craziest person didn't win the nomination. The most dishonest one certainly did.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:16:23pm |
re: #31 ggt
Can we blame him for the current state of Detroit?
You're not allowed to blame Mitt. Mitt is never wrong unless he was moderate to liberal on an issue. Then it's a glitch in the etch-a-sketch.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 7, 2012 9:16:23pm |
re: #28 Lidane
These are people who still can't accept that the Cold War is over and that the world that existed before Netscape and other internet browsers is gone forever and will never return. They hate change to begin with (since conservatives, by definition, favor the status quo and tradition) and the rapid changes in communications, business, and damn near everything else are scary for them.
People who seem to need the illusion of control in every aspect of their lives. The ones who never smoked pot because even the idea of euphoria scared them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 7, 2012 9:16:29pm |
re: #14 HappyWarrior
I mean how does anyone look at Obama's foreign policy and say he is appeasing. I mean shit, I may not have liked Bush's foreign policy but if I were to suggest that Bush's foreign policy appeasement. I'd be laughed at. I think Santorum is pandering to the idiots in the Republican base who want to believe Obama is this appeaser.
It's not about what you do. It's about what you say. And who you are.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 7, 2012 9:16:46pm |
re: #35 HappyWarrior
You're not allowed to blame Mitt. Mitt is never wrong unless he was moderate to liberal on an issue. Then it's a glitch in the etch-a-sketch.
ah!
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 9:17:20pm |
re: #34 moderatelyradicalliberal
Romney is taking credit for the auto industry's success, No, he really is. I'm not sure the craziest person didn't win the nomination. The most dishonest one certainly did.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 9:18:26pm |
re: #29 HappyWarrior
Weren't his exact words "Let Detroit fail." What a narcissistic jerk that guy is. Yeah, Mitt, you're why the industry came back. Stupid egotist needs a humbling at the polls come November.
The guy's banking on the average voter being too stupid to understand the basics of a "managed bankruptcy," or just forgetting what the financial markets were like at the time. The only way Detroit was going to go through a "managed bankruptcy" was if somebody fronted the money, but with the bottom having fallen out of the market at the time, nobody was going to do so. If the Obama Administration, following on the Bush Administration's wishes, not put forward the money, we'd instead today be looking at a far worse recession, if not a depression.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, May 7, 2012 9:18:44pm |
re: #29 HappyWarrior
Weren't his exact words "Let Detroit fail." What a narcissistic jerk that guy is. Yeah, Mitt, you're why the industry came back. Stupid egotist needs a humbling at the polls come November.
I hope so, but Romney has an MSM that's desperate for horse race in his corner so they will probably ignore this. They certainly won't make as big a deal as they did about Obama taking credit for shit he actually did.
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Lidane Mon, May 7, 2012 9:19:43pm |
re: #34 moderatelyradicalliberal
Romney is taking credit for the auto industry's success, No, he really is. I'm not sure the craziest person didn't win the nomination. The most dishonest one certainly did.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I love how Mr. "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" is now trying to pass himself off as the savior of the auto industry. What a joke.
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darthstar Mon, May 7, 2012 9:20:52pm |
re: #42 Lidane
I love how Mr. "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" is now trying to pass himself off as the savior of the auto industry. What a joke.
Fucker has no sense of shame. I guess his cult doesn't teach about pride.
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freetoken Mon, May 7, 2012 9:20:55pm |
Tonight's Our America:
Tom Farrow, a former FBI agent, is driving through the hollows, hillocks, and cow ponds of Cocke County, on the Appalachian side of Tennessee. Cell phone service blinks in and out between the hills. It's a beautiful place, an interplay of mountains and farmland, but several years ago it teemed with corruption. Back in 2005, Farrow led an undercover team that busted a large cockfighting operation in the aptly named county.
Several cockfighting pits in Cocke County hosted hundreds of gambling spectators. The owners of what Farrow calls the "white collar pit" told the FBI they paid off law enforcement—after all, Farrow explains, a pit that big can't exist for 60 years without law enforcement knowing about it. A few miles away, at what Farrow calls "the blue collar pit," the owners stacked bleachers to the ceiling of a large metal shed for the fights. Farrow remembers, "The [body odor] would be so thick you could cut it with a knife."
[...]
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, May 7, 2012 9:21:07pm |
re: #42 Lidane
I love how Mr. "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" is now trying to pass himself off as the savior of the auto industry. What a joke.
I hope Romney puts lots of money into Michigan that he could be putting into FL and OH because he's dumb enough to think he can get people to forget what he said. But hen again, maybe they are.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 7, 2012 9:22:06pm |
re: #31 ggt
Can we blame him for the current state of Detroit?
No. Detroit has been in a bad way for decades. Mitt Romney didn't cause the problems that have ruined Detroit, and whatever he may have wanted to happen, his actual actions have not made things worse there.
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 9:22:14pm |
re: #42 Lidane
I love how Mr. "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" is now trying to pass himself off as the savior of the auto industry. What a joke.
Historical revisionism that would make even Comrade Stalin go "That's a bit much."
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, May 7, 2012 9:22:43pm |
re: #43 darthstar
Fucker has no sense of shame. I guess his cult doesn't teach about pride.
One one hand I keep thinking Romney is a coward, but on the other hand he's got balls to pull this shit. Or is it a lack of a conscience and a soul?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, May 7, 2012 9:23:42pm |
re: #47 Targetpractice
Historical revisionism that would make even Comrade Stalin go "That's a bit much."
I guess Mitt has done such a good job imitating a wingnut, he's learned the art of creating one's own reality.
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Lidane Mon, May 7, 2012 9:25:20pm |
re: #46 Dark_Falcon
No. Detroit has been in a bad way for decades.
Making shitty, unreliable, gas guzzling cars while also working against improving fuel efficiency standards will do that. Hopefully the Big Three have figured that out by now.
Mitt Romney didn't cause the problems that have ruined Detroit, and whatever he may have wanted to happen, his actual actions have not made things worse there.
That's only because people didn't listen to his idiotic ravings about letting Detroit fail.
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darthstar Mon, May 7, 2012 9:26:30pm |
re: #46 Dark_Falcon
No. Detroit has been in a bad way for decades. Mitt Romney didn't cause the problems that have ruined Detroit, and whatever he may have wanted to happen, his actual actions have not made things worse there.
Mitt's "actual actions" haven't done shit. He's been running for president for seven fucking years. The cocksucker hasn't done anything else since 2005. He hasn't sat in on a board meeting, he hasn't hired or fired anyone, and he hasn't affected policy in any way, shape, or form. He's just been a Top Candidate/American Idolatry Politician/Political Survivor game contestant for going on a decade. Yeah, that's what I want in a leader, a fucking attention whore...Mitt might as well be a Kardashian.
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 9:27:10pm |
re: #50 Lidane
Making shitty, unreliable, gas guzzling cars while also working against improving fuel efficiency standards will do that. Hopefully the Big Three have figured that out by now.
That's only because people didn't listen to his idiotic ravings about letting Detroit fail.
That's what's been hilarious, watching the ODS crowd blow a collective gasket over Detroit pushing things like quality, fuel-economy, and even investing heavily into hybrids and electric cars as "bad" because they've happened in the wake of the bail-out.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 7, 2012 9:27:19pm |
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:27:30pm |
re: #48 moderatelyradicalliberal
One one hand I keep thinking Romney is a coward, but on the other hand he's got balls to pull this shit. Or is it a lack of a conscience and a soul?
I am trying to figure that out. There are times when I hear about guys like Fischer taunting him essentially that I almost want to feel bad for Mitt but then I see him lie and lie about stuff like this and then I remember why I detest this guy and want him nowhere near the White House or any elected position. He's a tough one to figure out. Only Mitt knows what Mitt is actually feeling.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 9:27:39pm |
What the... Klunck...
In surprise move, Netanyahu, Mofaz agree to form unity government, cancel early elections
PM, opposition leader reach dramatic late-night agreement to form national unity government, in which Kadima head Mofaz expected to be appointed deputy prime minister.
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darthstar Mon, May 7, 2012 9:27:52pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 7, 2012 9:29:33pm |
re: #56 darthstar
That was intentional hyperbole.
All right then. I'm just expecting to see a lot of anti-Mormon craziness a-coming. Trying to head it off at the pass.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, May 7, 2012 9:30:44pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, May 7, 2012 9:31:03pm |
re: #54 HappyWarrior
I am trying to figure that out. There are times when I hear about guys like Fischer taunting him essentially that I almost want to feel bad for Mitt but then I see him lie and lie about stuff like this and then I remember why I detest this guy and want him nowhere near the White House or any elected position. He's a tough one to figure out. Only Mitt knows what Mitt is actually feeling.
What are these "feelings" that you speak of? The Rombot3000 has no feelings.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:31:49pm |
re: #60 moderatelyradicalliberal
What are these "feelings" that you speak of? The Rombot3000 has no feelings.
Heh. I know. He's what we called a poseur when I was a teenager.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, May 7, 2012 9:32:12pm |
re: #60 moderatelyradicalliberal
What are these "feelings" that you speak of? The Rombot3000 has no feelings.
Smug is a feeling.
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Lidane Mon, May 7, 2012 9:32:16pm |
re: #52 Targetpractice
That's what's been hilarious, watching the ODS crowd blow a collective gasket over Detroit pushing things like quality, fuel-economy, and even investing heavily into hybrids and electric cars as "bad" because they've happened in the wake of the bail-out.
They would have blown a gasket even without the bailouts.
You know, because pushing for things like quality, fuel efficiency, alternative fuels, and hybrid cars are all socialist, America-hating, feel-good, hippie things that No Real American would want. Or something.
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darthstar Mon, May 7, 2012 9:32:33pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
All right then. I'm just expecting to see a lot of anti-Mormon craziness a-coming. Trying to head it off at the pass.
They're no more fucked up than the Catholics, where I grew up, or the Baptists...actually, the Baptists might be more fucked up than any of the religions out there except for the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 9:33:55pm |
re: #65 freetoken
Politics makes for strange bedfellows.
Somehow I feel better about our system already:
Under the agreement, Kadima will join Netanyahu's government and commit to supporting its policies through the end of its term in late 2013. Mofaz is expected to be appointed deputy prime minister, as well as minister without portfolio.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 7, 2012 9:37:57pm |
re: #67 Gus
Almost sounds like the UK.
That's because Israel uses an adaptation of the British parliamentary system, like many other nations who were formerly British properties.
I suppose we can thank the Iroquois League for saving us.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 9:38:33pm |
re: #69 darthstar
In other words, window dressing.
If they can hold it together until 2013. I am speaking largely by anecdote here since the background on all of this requires volumes of information. Part of me is glad they won't have an election in October since that would have been done under the direction of the PM.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 7, 2012 9:38:53pm |
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freetoken Mon, May 7, 2012 9:39:13pm |
re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist
I suppose we can thank the Iroquois League for saving us.
And the French!
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 9:39:33pm |
re: #72 ggt
Yeah, I still don't like him. Good article tho.
Ditto on that. He's a salesman. The article isn't as harsh as it seems.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, May 7, 2012 9:39:34pm |
re: #62 goddamnedfrank
Smug is a feeling.
That smug bastard has a real chance of being the next president. I don't think this country could survive another Republican in the White House with a GOP Congress. How could memories of the last time faded so fast?
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 7, 2012 9:39:48pm |
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goddamnedfrank Mon, May 7, 2012 9:43:04pm |
re: #75 moderatelyradicalliberal
That smug bastard has a real chance of being the next president. I don't think this country could survive another Republican in the White House with a GOP Congress. How could memories of the last time faded so fast?
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
-Agent K
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:44:30pm |
re: #79 goddamnedfrank
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
-Agent K
Great movie and line.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, May 7, 2012 9:45:32pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 7, 2012 9:46:36pm |
re: #74 Gus
Ditto on that. He's a salesman. The article isn't as harsh as it seems.
Well, I can hardly be hostile towards someone for that, since a salesman is what I am.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 9:48:23pm |
re: #81 ArthurSlugworth
Actually kind of looking forward to MIB3...
I'll see it. Great choice casting Josh Brolin as the Young Agent K considering that Brolin looks like a young Tommy Lee Jones. Kind of funny that the two were in No Country For Old Men together considering this.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 7, 2012 9:49:02pm |
re: #79 goddamnedfrank
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
-Agent K
Quoted for Truth.
In some ways, much of the series The Wire seemed to follow a similar principal: Don't place faith in the system because its largely hopeless, but don't give up on individual people.
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Mocking Jay Mon, May 7, 2012 9:50:23pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
Well, I can hardly be hostile towards someone for that, since a salesman is what I am.
The concept of a self-loathing salesman is inconceivable?
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freetoken Mon, May 7, 2012 9:53:57pm |
Beating the drums of war?
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 9:54:01pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
Well, I can hardly be hostile towards someone for that, since a salesman is what I am.
You know what I meant. It's within the context of being a politician. It's also a colloquialism of sorts or a figure of speech. It isn't meant as a blanket condemnation of salespeople nor their rights and liberties therein. So I'm not calling for a Gulag to hold all salespersons. Just using an old phrase which I'm sure makes all salesmen cringe. I don't use it all the time. Which of course I might add is why they started calling themselves "account executives." ;)
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 9:55:36pm |
re: #86 freetoken
Beating the drums of war?
Baird said he doesn't believe Iran has made that decision yet — but warned the country could move "very quickly" once it does.
Huh what?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 7, 2012 9:58:20pm |
re: #87 Gus
You know what I meant. It's within the context of being a politician. It's also a colloquialism of sorts or a figure of speech. It isn't meant as a blanket condemnation of salespeople nor their rights and liberties therein. So I'm not calling for a Gulag to hold all salespersons. Just using an old phrase which I'm sure makes all salesmen cringe. I don't use it all the time. Which of course I might add is why they started calling themselves "account executives." ;)
All successful politicians are salespeople to a degree: You have to be able to sell enough people on the value of having you hold the office you're running for to get elected.
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Digital Display Mon, May 7, 2012 9:58:30pm |
because of the NBA play-offs I haven't posted today..But have read all the threads..Poor Winston..He learned when I first got him how crazy it is during the Play-offs. Me jumping up screaming with little Winston flying in the air..
Hoopster: Gasp! Don't worry Winston it looks like you might land on the sofa..
Winston: You know I hate you right?
Hoopster: Oh, I'm sorry..Someday you'll understand the play-offs and not sit on my lap..
Winston: Someday? Are you effen insane? What's for dinner?
Hoopster: For you my friend..All the good stuff from the deli..
Winston: Still not sitting on your lap..What is your problem and why are you yelling again?
Hoopster: Play-offs
And little Winston tonight has crawled under the covers asleep with a full tummy while daddy is still yelling at the big screen
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 9:58:47pm |
re: #86 freetoken
Beating the drums of war?
Iran's been a year or less away from nukes since 1979, if you listen to the warmongers.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 10:00:46pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
All successful politicians are salespeople to a degree: You have to be able to sell enough people on the value of having you hold the office you're running for to get elected.
OK. Then to be more accurate...
:)
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 10:03:41pm |
You have to admit. Other than the occasional weird naval chit from Iran, Dinnerjacket's been unusually quiet. There's been some rather big events too within the past 24 hours that have changed the composition of leadership in Iran as well.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 7, 2012 10:03:49pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
All successful politicians are salespeople to a degree: You have to be able to sell enough people on the value of having you hold the office you're running for to get elected.
We are all salespeople.
To lead a successful life we have to sell ourselves, every day. Not literally, of course, but we have to get along.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 10:04:51pm |
There may be a backlash against Ansar Dine.
Mali: Attack On Timbuktu World Heritage Site May Spark Revolt
I hope the locals pick up their guns. Show those bastards no mercy. Don't give them quarter, or leave them any chance to surrender.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 10:06:42pm |
re: #95 ggt
We are all salespeople.
To lead a successful life we have to sell ourselves, every day. Not literally, of course, but we have to get along.
That's a good way of looking at it.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 7, 2012 10:08:46pm |
re: #96 ProGunLiberal
There may be a backlash against Ansar Dine.
Mali: Attack On Timbuktu World Heritage Site May Spark Revolt
I hope the locals pick up their guns. Show those bastards no mercy. Don't give them quarter, or leave them any chance to surrender.
Concur. Though we'll have to see if the revolt works. Al-Qaeda is Stalin-level bad when it comes to the brutality they'll use to control civilian populations in an area they're trying to control. Hopefully the locals are ready for a very ugly fight, because those Vandals aren't going away without a fight.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 10:10:22pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
I personally am hoping that most, if not all of Andar Dine's fighters are put into the sands of Mali.
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 10:11:00pm |
re: #100 Gus
Mostly a power struggle within the conservatives in Iran.
While at the same time, the reformers seem to have virtually given up.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 7, 2012 10:18:48pm |
re: #103 Targetpractice
While at the same time, the reformers seem to have virtually given up.
Yup. The corrupt assholes* have won, for now.
*: While Ahmadinejad is a fanatical nutcase, he's not corrupt. I use the term "asshole" in this case to mean someone who is corrupt and doesn't care that they are ruining their own country.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 10:19:13pm |
As #Sudan bombards civilians in the Nuba Mountains, Nuba rebels with no air force vow to take S. Kordofan | @GlobalPost bit.ly/JayCKn— Jon Hutson (@jonhutson) May 8, 2012
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 10:19:48pm |
Sucks for the Iranians. I think we see another revolution there in our lifetimes for sure.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 10:22:33pm |
re: #55 Gus
What the... Klunck...
In surprise move, Netanyahu, Mofaz agree to form unity government, cancel early elections
PM, opposition leader reach dramatic late-night agreement to form national unity government, in which Kadima head Mofaz expected to be appointed deputy prime minister.
Screenshot, March 3: Mofaz states on Facebook page that he will never join Bibi's government | dd.ht/KJ1oMZ— Didi Remez (@DidiRemez) May 8, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 7, 2012 10:24:21pm |
re: #108 Gus
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Political Principals often prove disposable when the politician holding them is looking at losing their office.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, May 7, 2012 10:25:16pm |
re: #109 Dark_Falcon
Political Principals often prove disposable when the politician holding them is looking at losing their office.
Or trying to gain an office.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 10:29:24pm |
re: #109 Dark_Falcon
Political Principals often prove disposable when the politician holding them is looking at losing their office.
I will never, ever, join Bibi's government!
No wait! Never mind.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 10:36:25pm |
re: #104 Dark_Falcon
Here's to hoping the Summer Sanctions either
a: Push the people to toppling Khameini or
b: Pushes their military into doing a coup.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 10:38:36pm |
re: #112 ProGunLiberal
Here's to hoping the Summer Sanctions either
a: Push the people to toppling Khameini or
b: Pushes their military into doing a coup.
Isn't the military just as bad? From what I remember hearing the most secular part of Iran are the young urban professionals within Tehran.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, May 7, 2012 10:39:47pm |
re: #108 Gus
Is Avigdor Lieberman out?
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 10:44:04pm |
re: #114 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Is Avigdor Lieberman out?
Haven't seen him mentioned. I assume he's always lurking in the background with his devious -- yes that's subjective -- ways. He's was on his way to Germany.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 10:47:53pm |
re: #112 ProGunLiberal
Here's to hoping the Summer Sanctions either
a: Push the people to toppling Khameini or
b: Pushes their military into doing a coup.
I think. Everything will remain normal until after the US elections. Any possible military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities will occur sometime after January 2013. That could set off disruption within Iran or not.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, May 7, 2012 10:48:20pm |
re: #115 Gus
Haven't seen him mentioned. I assume he's always lurking in the background with his devious -- yes that's subjective -- ways. He's was on his way to Germany.
Bleah. To my liberal eye, that guy is poison.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 10:51:54pm |
re: #113 HappyWarrior
The Revolutionary Guards, sure, but there is still the regular military.
Also, this will cut into their money. Yes, I can be cynical.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 10:52:23pm |
Westerwelle is a staunch supporter of the free market and has proposed reforms to curtail the German welfare state and deregulate German labor law. In an interview in February 2003, Westerwelle described trade unions as a "plague on our country" and said union officials were "the pall bearers of the welfare state and of the prosperity in our country". He has called for substantial tax cuts and smaller government, in line with the general direction of his party. In 2001, he was one of the first politicians to push for a biometric passport
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 10:53:52pm |
re: #120 ProGunLiberal
The Revolutionary Guards, sure, but there is still the regular military.
Also, this will cut into their money. Yes, I can be cynical.
Gotcha.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 10:55:29pm |
He made public statements in 2010 about the "welfare state",[20] claiming that promising the people effortless prosperity may lead to "late Roman decadence", in reference to a verdict in the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany regarding Hartz IV. This caused quite a stir in Germany.
His official trips as foreign minister have included his partner Michael Mronz, an event manager, and Ralf Marohn, a partner in his brother's company,[21] also causing controversy. Westerwelle and the FDP defended this by saying that it is normal for foreign ministers to take industry representatives on their trips, ignoring the fact that these particular representatives had a personal relationship with him.
In late November 2010, leaked U.S. diplomatic cables revealed that American diplomats considered Westerwelle an obstacle to deeper transatlantic relations and were skeptical of Westerwelle's abilities, with one cable comparing Westerwelle unfavorably to former German foreign minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher.[22]
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 10:55:33pm |
re: #123 Gus
I swear he was douche in some regard to Libya last year. Also, he one time refused to do an English Interview with the BBC.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 10:56:23pm |
re: #126 ProGunLiberal
I swear he was douche in some regard to Libya last year. Also, he one time refused to do an English Interview with the BBC.
LOL That's funny. I was just about to say this guys sounds like a douche. What a slime ball.
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HappyWarrior Mon, May 7, 2012 10:57:06pm |
Not to judge by looks but he looks like a jerk. His words don't help either.
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freetoken Mon, May 7, 2012 11:03:05pm |
Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez has spent much of his career praising the socialist ideas of famed atheists such as Karl Marx and Fidel Castro. Now in the thick of a prolonged battle against cancer, however, the leftist leader is drawing inspiration from a spiritual leader: Jesus Christ.
Chávez has been praying for divine intervention during increasingly infrequent appearances on television, holding up a crucifix while vowing to overcome his illness. He says living with cancer has made him "more Christian," talk that has spurred speculation that cancer might cut short his bid for re-election in October.
Chávez's voice cracked with emotion as he bade farewell to aides and supporters in Caracas on April 30 before leaving for what he said would be his final round of cancer treatment in Cuba.
"I'm sure our Christ will do it again, continuing making the miracle," Chávez said as he raised his cross to his lips and kissed it, prompting applause from an audience of aides.
[...]
Question of the day: Who is more Christian, Mitt Romney or Hugo Chavez?
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 11:04:23pm |
re: #127 Gus
He also specializes in Pissing into the Wind:
He opposes Google Street View and stated "I will do all I can to prevent it."
And the BBC thing:
"At a press conference on 27 September 2009, after the election, Westerwelle refused to answer a question in English from a BBC reporter, claiming that "it is normal to speak German in Germany"
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 11:04:56pm |
re: #129 freetoken
Neither. They are both assholes.
Although, Chavez doesn't apparently believe in a truly bizarre theology that is somewhere between Scientology and the Southern Baptists.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 11:07:17pm |
re: #128 HappyWarrior
Not to judge by looks but he looks like a jerk. His words don't help either.
Why worry. It's people like him that control our lives.
//
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Dark_Falcon Mon, May 7, 2012 11:08:16pm |
re: #129 freetoken
Don't play that game. "Holier than thou" has an endpoint we don't end liking, and this year that end point was Rick Santorum. God knows what's in Romney and Chavez's hearts and He will judge them at the appropriate time.
Good night, all.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 11:16:02pm |
re: #133 Dark_Falcon
Don't play that game. "Holier than thou" has an endpoint we don't end liking, and this year that end point was Rick Santorum. God knows what's in Romney and Chavez's hearts and He will judge them at the appropriate time.
Good night, all.
I'm lucky in that as an atheist I get to croak without being judged.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 7, 2012 11:16:20pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 7, 2012 11:17:12pm |
"I am not a welfare queen," says Melissa Bruninga-Matteau.That's how she feels compelled to start a conversation about how she, a white woman with a Ph.D. in medieval history and an adjunct professor, came to rely on food stamps and Medicaid. Ms. Bruninga-Matteau, a 43-year-old single mother who teaches two humanities courses at Yavapai College, in Prescott, Ariz., says the stereotype of the people receiving such aid does not reflect reality. Recipients include growing numbers of people like her, the highly educated, whose advanced degrees have not insulated them from financial hardship.
"I find it horrifying that someone who stands in front of college classes and teaches is on welfare," she says.
America!
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 11:17:32pm |
Of course don't fool yourselves here either. The right wing will be doing the Jesus Snoopy Dance upon Hugo Chavez's death.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 7, 2012 11:18:18pm |
Ms. Bruninga-Matteau does not blame Yavapai College for her situation but rather the "systematic defunding of higher education." In Arizona last year, Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, signed a budget that cut the state's allocation to Yavapai's operating budget from $4.3-million to $900,000, which represented a 7.6 percent reduction in the college's operating budget. The cut led to an 18,000-hour reduction in the use of part-time faculty like Ms. Bruninga-Matteau.
Ah Jan Brewer, fuck your black heart, republican insect
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dragonath Mon, May 7, 2012 11:19:15pm |
re: #122 ProGunLiberal
Fortunately the FDP has been getting fried in the last couple of German state elections.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, May 7, 2012 11:19:51pm |
Your Nightly T-Shirt, greeting card, dog shirt, coffee mug . . .
Share if you like
Thank you for your patience, this isn't going to end anytime soon.
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freetoken Mon, May 7, 2012 11:21:16pm |
re: #136 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]
"History", one might surmise, isn't a very lucrative field for employment.
Indeed, all the traditional Humanities are now looked upon as a waste of money, as far as students spending money in college.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 11:21:46pm |
re: #139 Be Zorch, Daddio
Oh, I saw that. Some of those results were a 9.5 on the LOLCAT Funny Scale.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 11:21:48pm |
re: #138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]
Ah Jan Brewer, fuck your black heart, republican insect
I think Arizona should become a country.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 11:22:12pm |
re: #143 Gus
I think Arizona should become a country.
Because as far as I am concerned. Arizona is not America.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 11:24:24pm |
re: #141 freetoken
All we seem to care about it money and circuses nowadays.
Part of what makes me worry. I want someone who likes History. Likelihood of a person being that?
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freetoken Mon, May 7, 2012 11:25:02pm |
Speaking of History, when Richard Carrier writes:
[...]
But the third fatal flaw lies in the entire methodology. All criteria-based methods suffer this same defect, which I call the ‘Threshold Problem’: At what point does meeting any number of criteria warrant the conclusion that some detail is probably historical? [...]
- he may be understating the case. In a world that now sees forensics through scientific eyes, the old ways of Historical studies are struggling. Archeology is a way, for example, of learning about the past, but continually re-interpreting what some human (or group of humans) wrote is problematic as we turn back the clock into the ancient past.
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freetoken Mon, May 7, 2012 11:25:33pm |
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dragonath Mon, May 7, 2012 11:26:53pm |
There's kind of a general weirdness out in the desert West. I think it's centered in the vincinity of Winslow, AZ... or maybe Twin Arrows
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 11:26:57pm |
re: #145 ProGunLiberal
Apparently, the programming didn't like my answer to the question.
It was < .1%
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freetoken Mon, May 7, 2012 11:31:13pm |
re: #151 ProGunLiberal
The less-than and greater-than signs are reserved.
| 154 |
Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 11:31:55pm |
I'm glad UAVs are replacing piloted aircraft. The F-22 is the last of its kind. Good riddance.
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 11:34:57pm |
re: #154 Gus
I'm glad UAVs are replacing piloted aircraft. The F-22 is the last of its kind. Good riddance.
Ah, so you read this story too, huh?
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 11:35:58pm |
re: #153 freetoken
It is supposed to be less than .1%. I think I got it correct.
Or I'm doing my new specialty and being overly cynical.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 11:37:19pm |
re: #155 Targetpractice
Ah, so you read this story too, huh?
Just another general's jet. Who are we kidding. The thing will never see action. 150 million a pop and the piece of shit can't even provide oxygen to the pilot reliably. Was of money but no one will listen. I'm not impressed at all.
| 158 |
ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 11:39:57pm |
re: #157 Gus
On the other hand, I don't trust the little unmanned vehicles with war just yet. Call me a bit old-fashioned.
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 11:42:23pm |
re: #158 ProGunLiberal
On the other hand, I don't trust the little unmanned vehicles with war just yet. Call me a bit old-fashioned.
I don't either, but primarily because I feel that the more detached we become from the business of prosecuting war, the more likely we are to enter it without considering the costs of doing so. When replacing our losses is as easy as calling up the factory and ordering a dozen new machines, what's to stop us from deciding that war is the answer when diplomacy "fails"?
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 11:43:22pm |
re: #158 ProGunLiberal
On the other hand, I don't trust the little unmanned vehicles with war just yet. Call me a bit old-fashioned.
When was the last time we did ACM? You lose two F-22s and that's 300 million right there. Unsustainable. Combat must meet economic feasibility. The F-22 does neither. Lose four and that's 600 million USD. That's a dumb way to fight a war that doesn't exist. It's a show horse.
| 161 |
ProGunLiberal Mon, May 7, 2012 11:49:37pm |
re: #160 Gus
Oh, I agree in regards to the F-22. Quantity is it's own quality, which is a weakness of the F-22.
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Targetpractice Mon, May 7, 2012 11:50:35pm |
re: #160 Gus
When was the last time we did ACM? You lose two F-22s and that's 300 million right there. Unsustainable. Combat must meet economic feasibility. The F-22 does neither. Lose four and that's 600 million USD. That's a dumb way to fight a war that doesn't exist. It's a show horse.
It's a show horse and a hanger queen. Even without the oxygen system problems that they're having, it was already more expensive than its predecessors in terms of maintenance. Just the skin alone requires constant care, as deterioration can compromise the fighter's stealth.
I'm sure every service has their own stories right now, of soldiers, sailors, and pilots being told to keep their lips shut on the disconnect between what they need and what the brass think they need. Brass who right now are focused on keeping their own little fiefdoms in the face of looming budget cuts.
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Gus Mon, May 7, 2012 11:55:47pm |
re: #162 Targetpractice
It's a show horse and a hanger queen. Even without the oxygen system problems that they're having, it was already more expensive than its predecessors in terms of maintenance. Just the skin alone requires constant care, as deterioration can compromise the fighter's stealth.
I'm sure every service has their own stories right now, of soldiers, sailors, and pilots being told to keep their lips shut on the disconnect between what they need and what the brass think they need. Brass who right now are focused on keeping their own little fiefdoms in the face of looming budget cuts.
It's the revolving door as well. The generals in charge of the programs won't say a word. As soon as they retire they'll get a consulting job with Lockheed Martin worth millions. The F-22 in the meantime will never see combat duty. Just another show boat for the politicians and brass. Same with the F-35. We could have done well enough with the Super Hornet and an advanced Harrier. Well enough and beyond and at half the price.
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Gus Tue, May 8, 2012 12:01:32am |
El Cheapo Crusader:
CDR Harold L. Marr VF-211 MiG-17 12 June 1966
LT Eugene J. Chancy VF-211 MiG-17 21 June 1966
LTJG Philip V. Vampatella VF-211 MiG-17 21 June 1966
CDR Richard M. Bellinger VF-162 MiG-21 9 October 1966
CDR Marshall O. Wright VF-211 MiG-17 1 May 1967
CDR Paul H. Speer VF-211 MiG-17 19 May 1967
LTJG Joseph M. Shea VF-211 MiG-17 19 May 1967
LCDR Bobby C. Lee VF-24 MiG-17 19 May 1967
LT Phillip R. Wood VF-24 MiG-17 19 May 1967
LCDR Marion H. Isaacks VF-24 MiG-17 21 July 1967
LCDR Robert L. Kirkwood VF-24 MiG-17 21 July 1967
LCDR Ray G. Hubbard, Jr. VF-211 MiG-17 21 July 1967
LT Richard E. Wyman VF-162 MiG-17 14 December 1967
CDR Lowell R. Myers VF-51 MiG-21 26 June 1968
LCDR John B. Nichols VF-191 MiG-17 9 July 1968
CDR Guy Cane VF-53 MiG-17 29 July 1968
LT Norman K. McCoy, Jr. VF-51 MiG-21 1 August 1968
LT Anthony J. Nargi VF-111 MiG-21 19 September 1968
LT Gerald D. Tucker VF-211 MiG-17 22 April 1972
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ProGunLiberal Tue, May 8, 2012 12:04:55am |
re: #166 Gus
Is that Crusader's shot down, or Crusader kills of opposition?
| 169 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 12:54:28am |
nytol or Dayquil
Allergies are so bad right now.
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 1:10:16am |
Hope you missed me. This is where I been all week, touring with this amazing singer from Finland:
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 3:41:09am |
squeeze another drip into us ft, the thread is gone all flatline on us...
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 4:09:28am |
New video of the Kelly Thomas beating....
Shocking Video Of Kelly Thomas Beating Death Released. Watch With Caution.
[Link: www.pixiq.com...]
The city surveillance video that shows a group of Fullerton police officers beating a homeless mentally ill man to death last year was finally released today, laying to rest any argument that Kelly Thomas was a threat to officers.
The shocking video, which was combined with an audio recorder worn by one of the police officers on the night of July 5, 2011, was shown in court today, then later released to the media.
“Now you see my fists?” Fullerton police officer Manny Ramos asked Thomas while slipping on a pair of latex gloves.
“Yeah, what about them?” Thomas responded.
“They are getting ready to fuck you up,” said Ramos, a burly cop who appears to outweigh Thomas by 100 pounds.
"Well, start punching," Thomas responds, never once displaying any physical aggression towards Ramos.
Video at link....
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, May 8, 2012 4:18:24am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, May 8, 2012 4:19:26am |
re: #176 RogueOne
I don't want to look.
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 4:19:34am |
re: #177 Unlike Some People
I'm turning the 2nd one into my new ringtone.
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 4:20:48am |
re: #178 Unlike Some People
I could only handle a few minutes. I have a busy day today and don't want it to start off with a snuff video.
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 4:34:06am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 4:40:31am |
re: #149 Gus
I'm all for secession.
I don't know. An independent state between Mexico and the US was trouble the last time around.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 4:41:28am |
re: #150 Be Zorch, Daddio
There's kind of a general weirdness out in the desert West. I think it's centered in the vincinity of Winslow, AZ... or maybe Twin Arrows
Are you insinuating that someone likes throwing large objects at Arizona from a great height?
;)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 4:44:03am |
re: #156 ProGunLiberal
It is supposed to be less than .1%. I think I got it correct.
Or I'm doing my new specialty and being overly cynical.
We'll get you cranky, then use Force Lightning to make you look old. At that point you'll be ready to become the new Sith Lizard apprentice in the steps of your contrarian predecessors. At which point you will rail unceasingly at all comments for obscure and often indefensibile reasons.
(evil laugh)
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 4:45:12am |
re: #138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]
Ah Jan Brewer, fuck your black heart, republican insect
One of the reasons I left AZ, I was a college instructor at Norther Arizona University, but I could see that my part-time position was not about to become full-time, it was later cancelled entirely.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 4:52:23am |
Good morning from always sunny Philadelphia.
Gout flare-up subsiding, so I'm at work today rather than working from home. Feline Overlord doing well, but roughly the same as yesterday. Eye drops are annoying him, but being continued.
Side reading right now is a dissertation on the history of feudal law. Delving a little bit into inheritance and such as part of research for a game. Going to toss a very nice, but not too complicated, sucession question into their laps at some point and essentially let them be the judges.
Hmm, and I need to go buy M&Ms since the jar here at work is currently empty.
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 4:58:07am |
re: #187 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Side reading right now is a dissertation on the history of feudal law. Delving a little bit into inheritance and such as part of research for a game. Going to toss a very nice, but not too complicated, sucession question into their laps at some point and essentially let them be the judges.
I liked "World Without End" by Ken Follett for the way that he took a dissertation on feudal inheritance law and turned it into a plot device. Made it very interesting to read about.
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 8, 2012 4:59:58am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 5:04:10am |
re: #188 Expand Your Ground
I liked "World Without End" by Ken Follett for the way that he took a dissertation on feudal inheritance law and turned it into a plot device. Made it very interesting to read about.
Never read that one. Is that one of his novels revolving around the cathedral being built in England?
Probably the best one book approach I've seen for getting a look at feudalism and the related mindset is Tuchman's _A Distant Mirror_. After that there's lots of scholarly and other works that touch on various facets of the period, which was actually quite dynamic in a number of ways.
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:06:30am |
More from the Kelly Thomas hearing.....
Cops Got Scratches Tended To By Paramedic As Kelly Thomas Lay Dying in the Street
[Link: www.fullertonsfuture.org...]
One of the most shocking things to emerge from the Preliminary Trial of Manny Ramos and Jay Cicinelli for the killing of Kelly Thomas are the statements made by Fullerton Fire Department personnel that the cops received attention to their miscellaneous scrapes as Thomas, whose face had just been bashed in, and who was suffocating in his own blood, lay ignored nearby.
Compare and contrast.....
Officer Ramos:
Image: Mannys-Boo-boo.jpg
Kelly Thomas: (graphic)
Image: Kelly-Thomas.jpg
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Decatur Deb Tue, May 8, 2012 5:10:23am |
re: #190 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Never read that one. Is that one of his novels revolving around the cathedral being built in England?
Probably the best one book approach I've seen for getting a look at feudalism and the related mindset is Tuchman's _A Distant Mirror_. After that there's lots of scholarly and other works that touch on various facets of the period, which was actually quite dynamic in a number of ways.
For the technological side, see Cathedral, Forge and Waterwheel.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 5:10:33am |
re: #190 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Never read that one. Is that one of his novels revolving around the cathedral being built in England?
Probably the best one book approach I've seen for getting a look at feudalism and the related mindset is Tuchman's _A Distant Mirror_. After that there's lots of scholarly and other works that touch on various facets of the period, which was actually quite dynamic in a number of ways.
Exactly. Never read "A Distant Mirror", always wanted to, though.
I am a big fan of any kind of historical fiction that weaves characters and plot lines around historical events and figures.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 5:14:19am |
re: #193 Expand Your Ground
Exactly. Never read "A Distant Mirror", always wanted to, though.
I am a big fan of any kind of historical fiction that weaves characters and plot lines around historical events and figures.
Have you read any of the "Flashman" novels? George MacDonald Fraser is the author.
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 5:15:31am |
re: #194 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Have you read any of the "Flashman" novels? George MacDonald Fraser is the author.
I have had those recommended to me as well. Must look into them. Sounds a bit like "Blackadder" in novel form.
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:16:44am |
re: #192 Decatur Deb
I'm heading to Greenville in a couple weeks. I might need a place to crash...get your guest room ready!///
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Decatur Deb Tue, May 8, 2012 5:20:07am |
re: #196 RogueOne
I'm heading to Greenville in a couple weeks. I might need a place to crash...get your guest room ready!///
Greenville AL? What's there?
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 8, 2012 5:20:38am |
Will the human civilization end with a bang, or with a whimper. I think the latter.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:22:37am |
re: #197 Decatur Deb
Greenville AL? What's there?
Restaurant remodel. I have corral gates and a big-ass ladder to deliver. Usually I take it to Detroit and they deliver it from there but this time they want to pay me to take it all the way to the jobsite. I'm thinking I may as well take advantage of being that close to the beach and take a 4 day paid vacation somewhere near Pensacola.
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:23:57am |
re: #197 Decatur Deb
I'll be flying a little American flag in my window and I'll bring a copy of my birth certificate (I'm getting pretty dark already). Anything else I need to have on me when I drive through Alabama? Maybe a couple U of A bumper stickers?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 5:24:48am |
re: #192 Decatur Deb
For the technological side, see Cathedral, Forge and Waterwheel.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Technology is a big one. But a lot of societal adjustments as well. Feudalism developing, and then in concert with the RC Church essentially starting towards re-centralization of power. Lots of legal work as customary (common) law was codified, written down, and joined with the existing civil (usually Roman based) law. And since land ownership was so important lots of jurisprudence on inheritance and providing for widows and orphans. With primogenture mixing in to prevent lands from being divided to the point of being marginal holdings.
Warfare and armies get more complex as you move through the period as well. "Classic" feudalism with vassal knight service and such giving way to paying scutage and most of the forces essentially being paid mercenaries. Household knight entourages being important as well since their loyalty was quite important and they were quite often officeholders in various positions of authority.
Getting below the nobility you get innovations such as the heavy plow as well. That put a lot more land into possible cultivation - once you cleared all the trees off! Great need for manpower, and then the Black Death comes along and makes the common laborer all the more valuable.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 5:26:12am |
re: #195 Expand Your Ground
I have had those recommended to me as well. Must look into them. Sounds a bit like "Blackadder" in novel form.
As a one line description that is sort of accurate. The 2nd or 3rd one is a very well done send up of _The Prisioner of Zenda_.
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darthstar Tue, May 8, 2012 5:26:48am |
Rest in peace, Maurice #wherethewildthingsare— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 8, 2012
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Decatur Deb Tue, May 8, 2012 5:29:01am |
re: #200 RogueOne
I'll be flying a little American flag in my window and I'll bring a copy of my birth certificate (I'm getting pretty dark already). Anything else I need to have on me when I drive through Alabama? Maybe a couple U of A bumper stickers?
Bring Yankee money. Check out the beaches around Mobile, like Daphne Island and Gulf Shores. They might save you a bit of time because they're on the turnpikes. (The secondary road net is pretty mangled by the bays and inlets.) Gulf in that area had great seafood, but there is a lot of concern since the BP spill.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 5:30:24am |
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
"Negative narrative evolving on marriage equality and Obama"
Do you think he should come out in support of it before the elections?
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Decatur Deb Tue, May 8, 2012 5:31:54am |
re: #205 May Day! May Day!
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
"Negative narrative evolving on marriage equality and Obama"
Do you think he should come out in support of it before the elections?
Ambiguity is a political virtue.
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 5:33:40am |
re: #206 Decatur Deb
Ambiguity is a political virtue.
I think that is what McCain was expecting when he took Sarah Palin on: a blank canvas onto which conservative voters could project their ideal of what a True Conservative candidate should be.
Instead he got a loose laser cannon...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 5:34:05am |
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:35:38am |
re: #204 Decatur Deb
I was wondering about Mobile. I've spent some time in Biloxi and Pensacola and loved the beaches but I've never been to Mobile. Think I'd have better luck in Mobile?
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Decatur Deb Tue, May 8, 2012 5:36:26am |
re: #201 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
The big trick in looking at the Middle Ages is to remember they didn't know they were in the middle. Each generation thought of itself as the avant garde. Dante was a radical.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 5:36:41am |
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darthstar Tue, May 8, 2012 5:37:24am |
re: #205 May Day! May Day!
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
"Negative narrative evolving on marriage equality and Obama"
Do you think he should come out in support of it before the elections?
Nah...it could cost him some of the still bigoted states that are in play. (actually, I think that's overblown, but imagine the ads Romney's allies would run if he did stand up for gay marriage now..."President Obama wants your little boy to suck pee pees! I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message.")
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 5:37:40am |
re: #211 May Day! May Day!
Not necessarily. Coming off as wishy washy...
That is the art of it: ambiguous without being wishy washy. Romney suffers from the latter. A skilled politician just says enough to let people fill in the blanks with what they want to hear.
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:38:40am |
re: #211 May Day! May Day!
Not necessarily. Coming off as wishy washy...
I think it's more condescending than wishy-washy. I've been beating on this drum for 4 years.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 5:39:21am |
re: #214 RogueOne
I think it's more condescending than wishy-washy. I've been beating on this drum for 4 years.
What drum?
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 8, 2012 5:39:36am |
re: #209 RogueOne
Are you getting new speedos for the beach or just sticking with your older ones.
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:40:52am |
re: #215 May Day! May Day!
The presidents views on marriage. I don't like having smoke blown up my ass especially when it's done poorly. Say what you believe, consequences be damned.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 5:41:12am |
re: #212 darthstar
Nah...it could cost him some of the still bigoted states that are in play. (actually, I think that's overblown, but imagine the ads Romney's allies would run if he did stand up for gay marriage now..."President Obama wants your little boy to suck pee pees! I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message.")
"Imagine the Romney campaign surprise when the closeted gay GOP voters swung the election to Obama..."///
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:41:23am |
re: #216 Tommy's cone of shame
Luckily I've been on my Man-kini diet for awhile. I'm ready!
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darthstar Tue, May 8, 2012 5:42:07am |
re: #218 May Day! May Day!
"Imagine the Romney campaign surprise when the closeted gay GOP voters swung the election to Obama..."///
They already used that as an excuse to fire Grenell.
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Decatur Deb Tue, May 8, 2012 5:42:15am |
re: #209 RogueOne
I was wondering about Mobile. I've spent some time in Biloxi and Pensacola and loved the beaches but I've never been to Mobile. Think I'd have better luck in Mobile?
Interesting area, though I only know it from a couple weeks relief work after Katrina. If you want to see a (depressed) important fishing community, Bayou la Batre is just south. Gulf Shores starts the good eastern Gulf beaches and seafood. Daphne Island has (had?) an important Gulf environmental center. Mobile itself has some history, esp old houses and French-flavored unique style.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 5:42:16am |
re: #219 RogueOne
Luckily I've been on my Man-kini diet for awhile. I'm ready!
%helpful Borat photo paste%
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garhighway Tue, May 8, 2012 5:42:42am |
OT Prediction:
2012 Presidential election result:
D's take PA, CO, NV.
R's take OH, VA, NC. IA
It comes down to FL.
Romney wins by a very close margin.
Here's a good site to do the electoral math:
[Link: www.270towin.com...]
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darthstar Tue, May 8, 2012 5:43:03am |
re: #219 RogueOne
Luckily I've been on my Man-kini diet for awhile. I'm ready!
I've been swimming every day at lunch for a while now...my wife says I have bikini butt. And she likes it.
(not mankini...the image of Borat doesn't work)
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Decatur Deb Tue, May 8, 2012 5:43:49am |
re: #211 May Day! May Day!
Not necessarily. Coming off as wishy washy...
Santorum is not wishy-washy.
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:44:06am |
re: #221 Decatur Deb
I'll do a little research and decide. I'd like to make it easy to get back to Indy. I'd love to take my wife to Biloxi, it's a beautiful area, but it seems too far out of my way.
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:45:50am |
re: #223 garhighway
OT Prediction:
2012 Presidential election result:
D's take PA, CO, NV.
R's take OH, VA, NC. IAIt comes down to FL.
Romney wins by a very close margin.
Here's a good site to do the electoral math:
[Link: www.270towin.com...]
I was going through the map last week. I think it's going to be really close. While goofing around on 270 I found an easy way that they both end up with 269. I'd LOVE to see that happen.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 5:46:02am |
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darthstar Tue, May 8, 2012 5:46:36am |
Santorum comes out in the middle of the night (to endorse Romney).
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Decatur Deb Tue, May 8, 2012 5:47:23am |
re: #226 RogueOne
I'll do a little research and decide. I'd like to make it easy to get back to Indy. I'd love to take my wife to Biloxi, it's a beautiful area, but it seems too far out of my way.
If she is into botanicals, check out Bellingrath Gardens. (B&B country.)
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RogueOne Tue, May 8, 2012 5:49:21am |
Time for me to get moving. Enjoy the day peoples.
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 5:52:29am |
re: #223 garhighway
OT Prediction:
2012 Presidential election result:
D's take PA, CO, NV.
R's take OH, VA, NC. IAIt comes down to FL.
Romney wins by a very close margin.
Here's a good site to do the electoral math:
[Link: www.270towin.com...]
Sounds very plausible.
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garhighway Tue, May 8, 2012 5:53:36am |
re: #228 RogueOne
I was going through the map last week. I think it's going to be really close. While goofing around on 270 I found an easy way that they both end up with 269. I'd LOVE to see that happen.
269 - 269 would be a nightmare.
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Decatur Deb Tue, May 8, 2012 5:54:24am |
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garhighway Tue, May 8, 2012 5:55:34am |
re: #229 May Day! May Day!
This will be my go-to site:
[Link: electoral-vote.com...]
Your prediction?
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Decatur Deb Tue, May 8, 2012 5:55:38am |
Almost 80f. Time to walk while I can, then pack on the sun-goo and mow.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 5:56:33am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 5:57:17am |
[Link: www.270towin.com...]
Niiice! ///
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garhighway Tue, May 8, 2012 5:58:17am |
re: #235 Decatur Deb
269-269 would be 5-4.
Or it would go to the HR.
Either way, that's a bad way for it to end. We need a result that doesn't lack legitimacy.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 5:59:46am |
re: #240 garhighway
Or it would go to the HR.
Either way, that's a bad way for it to end. We need a result that doesn't lack legitimacy.
It would be proclaimed as a "mandate" in any case.
/
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darthstar Tue, May 8, 2012 6:00:38am |
Let's just have an Obama landslide and stop all this talk of Boehner getting to grandstand over Mitt's coronation.
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garhighway Tue, May 8, 2012 6:00:56am |
re: #241 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
It would be proclaimed as a "mandate" in any case.
/
The quality of our political discourse is bad enough as it is without having major legitimacy issues.
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Amory Blaine Tue, May 8, 2012 6:04:09am |
re: #222 May Day! May Day!
%helpful Borat photo paste%
For some reason I watched that movie yesterday. Had some good laughs.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 6:04:11am |
[Link: www.ekathimerini.com...]
The leader of the Coalition of the Radical Left (SYRIZA), Alexis Tsipras, is due to receive at 2 p.m. the mandate to form a unity government from President Karolos Papoulias.
Tsipras is expected to turn to leftist parties first based on an agenda that rejects the EU-IMF bailout and which calls for Greece to call a moratorium on debt repayment.
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 6:08:41am |
re: #245 May Day! May Day!
[Link: www.ekathimerini.com...]
Good thing I held onto all those old Drachmas, looks like they are going to be needed again soon...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 6:11:02am |
re: #244 Amory Blaine
For some reason I watched that movie yesterday. Had some good laughs.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 6:13:33am |
Morning Lizardim from the cool and wet wild north country. We've been having an abundance of rain here recently, which is a darn good thing, considering the disconcertingly snow-free winter we had. It looks like, despite the false start to the spring that annihilated the apple crop, southern Minnesota's river valleys will be flourishing this summer. I came down sick this weekend and wasn't around here much, but now that I'm back, I see an absolutely shocking volume of derp spewing forth from the rabid right-wingers. I guess what's good for America really is bad for the GOP, and vice versa. Well, screw them, then - I want the good times to roll.
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 8, 2012 6:13:54am |
Maurice Sendak, the children's book author and illustrator who saw the sometimes-dark side of childhood in books like "Where the Wild Things Are" and "In the Night Kitchen," died early Tuesday. He was 83.
Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 6:20:53am |
I'm also endlessly amused by the ferocity of the debate over the Vikings stadium, which is the current big news here. The sports media, of course, are absolutely hysterical about the possibility of us losing our franchise, but get this - the reason why it's even in danger in the first place is because THE VOTERS DON'T WANT IT. If the Vikings and the NFL want to pony up for their own little playground somewhere out there, that's fine, but you can't force the state to pay for it if we don't want to. In fact, the deal was effectively dead a month ago, until the NFL chairman himself personally stepped in and meddled with things. The House did finally approve a highly modified bill late last night, after hacking another $105 million off the taxpayer bill and sticking it on the team. It's now over to the Senate, but unlike the last round, nobody's counting their chickens this time.
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 6:23:13am |
re: #250 thedopefishlives
"Small Government" does not apply to sports, women's choice issues or military spending...
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iossarian Tue, May 8, 2012 6:24:43am |
re: #245 May Day! May Day!
[Link: www.ekathimerini.com...]
The claim seems to be that he's unlikely to be able to form a government, but I haven't really seen any analysis to back that up.
Are you aware of any?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 6:27:32am |
re: #251 Expand Your Ground
"Small Government" does not apply to sports, women's choice issues or military spending...
I was just amused by how shocked and baffled everyone in the sports community was back in April when the bill was killed in committee. It's like, do they truly not understand how much Minnesotans dislike the Vikings? Hell, three-quarters of us are freaking Packers fans!
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lawhawk Tue, May 8, 2012 6:32:54am |
re: #250 thedopefishlives
It's not that the voters don't want it; they don't want the state or locality to pay for it. They've got a good point. Stadiums don't end up making money for the localities and the prestige simply doesn't cover the costs.
Here in NJ, the NJ taxpayers are still on the hook for the bond payments on the old Giants Stadium after the NJSEA agreed to a new stadium being built jointly by the Giants/Jets. Each of the teams ponied up the funds to build the new stadium with the state putting up the funds for enhanced infrastructure around the stadium (new/improved roads and a rail link). But the state will have to keep paying for a stadium that no longer exists.
Not exactly a great deal for taxpayers.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 6:35:24am |
re: #253 thedopefishlives
Hell, three-quarters of us are freaking Packers fans!
who play in a stadium that was built in the late 50's by (wait for it) the city of Green Bay in order to keep the team there
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, May 8, 2012 6:35:39am |
re: #250 thedopefishlives
I'm also endlessly amused by the ferocity of the debate over the Vikings stadium, which is the current big news here. The sports media, of course, are absolutely hysterical about the possibility of us losing our franchise, but get this - the reason why it's even in danger in the first place is because THE VOTERS DON'T WANT IT. If the Vikings and the NFL want to pony up for their own little playground somewhere out there, that's fine, but you can't force the state to pay for it if we don't want to. In fact, the deal was effectively dead a month ago, until the NFL chairman himself personally stepped in and meddled with things. The House did finally approve a highly modified bill late last night, after hacking another $105 million off the taxpayer bill and sticking it on the team. It's now over to the Senate, but unlike the last round, nobody's counting their chickens this time.
The NFL needs to get a clue - no taxpayer money for any privately owned teams. The people do not exist to help you make more money, Mr. Wilf.
If the NFL wants cities and states to pay for stadiums they need to own the teams ala Green Bay.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 6:35:41am |
re: #254 lawhawk
Well, in all fairness, it's quite likely that the voters don't actually want it, either. ;) But you are right, in a strict technical sense, that the voters just don't want to pay for it.
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iossarian Tue, May 8, 2012 6:35:43am |
re: #254 lawhawk
State-financed stadiums are pretty much always a terrible idea in the US, where you're basically putting money into private owners' pockets.
Comparing Europe and the US on this kind of thing, it's not as if Europe is a golden land of community-based happy sports teams, but it's still breathtaking the extent to which fans in the US are happy to get fucked over by the team ownership, time and again. It's basically an abusive relationship.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 6:36:50am |
re: #250 thedopefishlives
I'm also endlessly amused by the ferocity of the debate over the Vikings stadium, which is the current big news here. The sports media, of course, are absolutely hysterical about the possibility of us losing our franchise, but get this - the reason why it's even in danger in the first place is because THE VOTERS DON'T WANT IT. If the Vikings and the NFL want to pony up for their own little playground somewhere out there, that's fine, but you can't force the state to pay for it if we don't want to. In fact, the deal was effectively dead a month ago, until the NFL chairman himself personally stepped in and meddled with things. The House did finally approve a highly modified bill late last night, after hacking another $105 million off the taxpayer bill and sticking it on the team. It's now over to the Senate, but unlike the last round, nobody's counting their chickens this time.
A while back in western Pennsylvania there was a referendum for a sports stadium financing deal. It got shot down by the voters. The local government then essentially created a "Plan B" and financed it with public money anyways. Eventually resulted in the removal of two stadiums (Three Rivers and Pitt) and the creation of three (PNC Park, Heinz Field, and the Peterson Event Center on the Pitt campus.)
I'm sure Minnesota (and Minneapolis) can find much better ways to spend those millions. But part of the fearmongering that the sports executives want to spread and that the politicians will be blamed and removed if the professional franchises leave for another city. With Los Angeles being the standard threat over the last decade for professional football teams.
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iossarian Tue, May 8, 2012 6:37:33am |
re: #255 sattv4u2
Hell, three-quarters of us are freaking Packers fans!
who play in a stadium that was built in the late 50's by (wait for it) the city of Green Bay in order to keep the team there
As noted above - the Packers are a non-profit.
A bit different from coughing up your money to try to persuade some billionaire not to take the team your dad supported away.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 6:38:38am |
re: #260 iossarian
As noted above - the Packers are a non-profit.
A bit different from coughing up your money to try to persuade some billionaire not to take the team your dad supported away.
And the NFL has rules in place to prevent another Green Bay from coming into existence.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 6:38:42am |
re: #259 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
And that is the exact rumor that has been floating around the northlands - "If we don't pay for a new stadium, the Vikings will go to LA." Honestly, we don't care. We just built the Twins a new stadium a few years ago and we're already regretting it. The Vikings can renew their lease on the Metrodome if they really feel like staying, we have no obligation to pay for them.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 6:39:09am |
re: #260 iossarian
As noted above - the Packers are a non-profit.
A bit different from coughing up your money to try to persuade some billionaire not to take the team your dad supported away.
But the point being, the city paid for the stadium to keep the team from moving (coincidently, the threat was to move to Minnesota)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 6:41:12am |
re: #263 sattv4u2
But the point being, the city paid for the stadium to keep the team from moving (coincidently, the threat was to move to Minnesota)
Well, hey, if the City of Minneapolis wants to commit money to buying the Vikings a new stadium, great. In fact, they're already going to shoulder part of the bill. But it's not the State of Minnesota's responsibility.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 6:41:21am |
re: #260 iossarian
As noted above - the Packers are a non-profit
Except,,,
While the team is operated as a non-profit organization, technically it is a for-profit corporation because under Wisconsin law non-profit corporations cannot issue stock.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 6:44:28am |
Basically, what it comes down to is, the Vikings felt like they could get greedy, "let" their lease expire, and assumed that taxpayers would enthusiastically pick up the tab to build them a brand-new stadium they felt they deserved. They weren't counting on how epically they would fail last season, nor on the fact that taxpayers in general don't like coddling sports teams they already see as overpaid and overprivileged. Hopefully, that message got received by somebody, although since the deal is going through (in slightly modified form) I sincerely doubt it.
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iossarian Tue, May 8, 2012 6:48:44am |
re: #265 sattv4u2
As noted above - the Packers are a non-profit
Except,,,
While the team is operated as a non-profit organization, technically it is a for-profit corporation because under Wisconsin law non-profit corporations cannot issue stock.
If you read the whole Wikipedia page, it (and the materials it links to) will educate you on the difference between the Packers and a standard privately-owned team.
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 6:50:10am |
Nothing like waking up to a cold to start your day.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 6:50:29am |
re: #267 iossarian
If you read the whole Wikipedia page, it (and the materials it links to) will educate you on the difference between the Packers and a standard privately-owned team.
I already knew the difference
I was pointing out to you the fact that it's not really a "non profit"
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iossarian Tue, May 8, 2012 6:51:54am |
re: #269 sattv4u2
I already knew the difference
I was pointing out to you the fact that it's not really a "non profit"
Yes, and since you already knew the difference, you also know that the distinction is irrelevant (see Kragar's avatar pic) since the corporation does not pay dividends and distributes its profit to charity. It's only a "for-profit corporation" because non-profits in Wisconsin cannot issue stock.
In short, stop wasting my time.
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AK-47% Tue, May 8, 2012 6:53:31am |
re: #260 iossarian
As noted above - the Packers are a non-profit.
A bit different from coughing up your money to try to persuade some billionaire not to take the team your dad supported away.
This is like the difference between using eminent domain to obtain property for a public project and using it obtain it for private development, using the argument that the government will benefit from the enhanced tax revenues (for which there is no guarantee if it is a private enterprise)
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 6:54:31am |
re: #270 iossarian
see Kragar's avatar pic
In short, stop wasting my time
A) I know what irrelevant means
B) not new here at all. Between the two of us, you'd be considered the "new" one!
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iossarian Tue, May 8, 2012 6:56:37am |
re: #272 sattv4u2
A) I know what irrelevant means
Obviously not, otherwise you wouldn't have brought up the Packer's "for-profit" status, since it's irrelevant legalese. The Packers are non-profit in all but name.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 6:58:26am |
re: #273 iossarian
Obviously not, otherwise you wouldn't have brought up the Packer's "for-profit" status, since it's irrelevant legalese. The Packers are non-profit in all but name.
Yeah ,,,those pesky laws!!
because under Wisconsin law non-profit corporations cannot issue stock.
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 6:58:36am |
re: #272 sattv4u2
see Kragar's avatar pic
In short, stop wasting my timeA) I know what irrelevant means
B) not new here at all. Between the two of us, you'd be considered the "new" one!
Both of you get off my lawn!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 6:58:56am |
Excuse me for a minute, I think I left my fire suit at home. Didn't think I would need it today.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 6:59:47am |
re: #276 thedopefishlives
Excuse me for a minute, I think I left my fire suit at home. Didn't think I would need it today.
YOU started it!!
DAD,, he's poking me!!
/
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 7:01:01am |
re: #276 thedopefishlives
Excuse me for a minute, I think I left my fire suit at home. Didn't think I would need it today.
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iossarian Tue, May 8, 2012 7:02:28am |
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 7:04:14am |
And now for some morning inspiration
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 8, 2012 7:06:31am |
I would have taken the judge’s offer :
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
But we all have our crosses to bear.
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lawhawk Tue, May 8, 2012 7:08:51am |
re: #281 Tommy's cone of shame
There are a number of OWS protesters who were arrested who have opted to reject the plea deals and instead seek trials as per their rights.
It forces the prosecutors to put up the evidence that they broke the law (and devote resources to the cases), or else lose the cases.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 7:11:27am |
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 7:12:22am |
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 8, 2012 7:14:44am |
re: #282 lawhawk
I understand that they want to burden an overly overburdened system. In Albany DA Soares is taking the smart move and just not pressing charges. Soares is up for re-election, and only facing a primary challenger. Repubs don't even bother to run in Albany.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 7:16:29am |
re: #282 lawhawk
There are a number of OWS protesters who were arrested who have opted to reject the plea deals and instead seek trials as per their rights.
It forces the prosecutors to put up the evidence that they broke the law (and devote resources to the cases), or else lose the cases.
And flooding the system with cases is a long-time non-violent protest method.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 7:16:33am |
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, May 8, 2012 7:22:18am |
Dustin Hoffman saves a life
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
I wonder if he did it in character, like Rainman
"Yeah, heart attack definately sucks"
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Eventual Carrion Tue, May 8, 2012 7:23:58am |
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 7:24:36am |
re: #288 Tommy's cone of shame
Dustin Hoffman saves a life
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
I wonder if he did it in character, like Rainman
"Yeah, heart attack definately sucks"
Awesome.
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Interesting Times Tue, May 8, 2012 7:30:18am |
We've allowed this nation to be controlled by morons with defective DNA who think Adam & Eve rode dinosaurs to church. #ENOUGH— Shoq Value (@Shoq) May 8, 2012
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 7:35:55am |
Al-Qaeda plane 'underwear bomb plot' foiled by 'insider'
A plot by al-Qaeda in Yemen to attack a US-bound plane using an updated "underwear" bomb, was foiled by a person who infiltrated a terror cell, US officials say.
Entrapment!
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 7:40:32am |
re: #292 Killgore Trout
Al-Qaeda plane 'underwear bomb plot' foiled by 'insider'
Entrapment!
Obviously they have ties to OWS.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 7:43:22am |
re: #292 Killgore Trout
Al-Qaeda plane 'underwear bomb plot' foiled by 'insider'
Entrapment!
Was it the green grapes, or the purple ones? That's the main question.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 7:44:03am |
Some interesting clues...
Source: Saudi Tip Helped Stop al Qaeda Airliner Bomb Plot
Both King and a senior administration official said the intended user of the bomb is no longer a threat.
That's a pretty cryptic statement. Do the Saudis have him? Did the intell come from Saudi "interrogation" of him? I think it's a safe bet we probably won't hear of him again.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 7:48:20am |
re: #296 Killgore Trout
Some interesting clues...
Source: Saudi Tip Helped Stop al Qaeda Airliner Bomb Plot
That's a pretty cryptic statement. Do the Saudis have him? Did the intell come from Saudi "interrogation" of him? I think it's a safe bet we probably won't hear of him again.
The bomber might have gotten something like "cold feet" and turned himself in. So implying that there is an informer is a way to spread suspicion in the enemy ranks.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 7:50:27am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 7:52:44am |
re: #298 May Day! May Day!
"with defective DNA"
As opposed to Shoq's perfect DNA?
Maybe (s)he has perfect jeans!!
/
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 7:56:33am |
re: #297 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
The bomber might have gotten something like "cold feet" and turned himself in. So implying that there is an informer is a way to spread suspicion in the enemy ranks.
That's a possibility. I'm kind of surprised they found another volunteer for an underwear bomb since the last one went so badly. I suspect that even if the device was viable there might be public statements saying that it would have just horribly mutilated the bomber as a way of discouraging future volunteers.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 8:02:46am |
Heh.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
In the 1980s, the party embraced Hellenic Neopagan beliefs, writing in praise of the Twelve Olympians and describing Marxism and liberalism as "the ideological carriers of Judeo-Christianity."[13][14] Later, however, the party underwent ideological changes, also welcoming Greek Orthodox Christianity.[15]
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Gus Tue, May 8, 2012 8:05:50am |
re: #298 May Day! May Day!
"with defective DNA"
As opposed to Shoq's perfect DNA?
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Interesting Times Tue, May 8, 2012 8:07:34am |
If @Politifact worked, it would brand Mitt's auto bailout claims "Mostly Sociopathic".— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) May 8, 2012
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 8:07:59am |
re: #302 Gus
accelerates liver carcinogenesis in mice
And here all this time I thought it was because my mouse was a heavy drinker!!
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:09:46am |
re: #301 May Day! May Day!
Heh.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Sounds like to me the welcoming of Christianity was their way of broadening their appeal.
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 8:11:25am |
Anti-Gay Activist Calls Bill Limiting Reparative Therapy 'Hateful Toward Children'
Last week the Pacific Justice Institute came out against legislation limiting the discredited and harmful “ex-gay” reparative therapy by decrying the bill as a “gross and outrageous violation against humanity” and an “egregious attack on children and youth,” and today Save California president Randy Thomasson is entering the fray. In an interview with the American Family Association’s OneNewsNow, Thomasson dubbed the measure “hateful toward children” that will particularly impact “molested boys or confused boys.” Despite trying to appear as an advocate for children, Thomasson opposed legal protections for children of same-sex couples, calling them “absolute insanity,” and blamed openly gay fifteen year-old Lawerence King for his own murder by a classmate.
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:12:51am |
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
So why didn't he say it to the crowd? Oh that's right. He's an enabling panderer devoid of courage.
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:14:21am |
re: #307 Kragar
Anti-Gay Activist Calls Bill Limiting Reparative Therapy 'Hateful Toward Children'
What the hell did this guy snort this morning? Sorry buddy, using kids to justify "anti gay therapy" is a load of shit.
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 8:15:24am |
re: #309 HappyWarrior
What the hell did this guy snort this morning? Sorry buddy, using kids to justify "anti gay therapy" is a load of shit.
Any justification for that snake oil therapy is a load of shit.
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:16:35am |
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Interesting Times Tue, May 8, 2012 8:17:37am |
OH NOEZ Obama iz DOOMED Romney takes Ohio!!1!
Obama leads Romney 50-43. That 7 point margin is unchanged from late January when he was ahead by a 49-42 spread. Obama also led 50-41 when PPP polled the state in early November so this makes three polls in a row over the span of six months with him leading by 7-9 points. Obama certainly looks like the favorite in Ohio at this point.
...
The GOP's struggles with women and young voters really show themselves in Ohio. Obama's up 55-36 with women and has a 62-30 advantage with those under 30. If you extend the definition of 'young' voters to those under 45 Obama still holds a massive advantage at 56-35. Romney's winning seniors 49-45 but he needs a much bigger lead than that to make up for his weakness with young people.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:18:16am |
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:20:05am |
re: #312 Interesting Times
Romney's got a lady problem. Only thing keeping Romney kicking is old white dudes. Fortunately for Romney, there's a lot of them.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 8:20:52am |
re: #308 HappyWarrior
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
So why didn't he say it to the crowd? Oh that's right. He's an enabling panderer devoid of courage.
That's a tough situation. Just the fact that the crazy lady spoke at a campaign event about trying Obama for treason made it a news worthy situation no matter what his response was. McCain handled a similar situation much better but it was still bad publicity. But this is the consequences of mainstreaming crazy talk about trials for previous administrations.
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Interesting Times Tue, May 8, 2012 8:21:44am |
Retweet this PETITION: Tell Boehner: Stop spending my tax dollars defending DOMA: dems.me/IFaqjr #BoehnersBigotry— DCCC (@dccc) May 8, 2012
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Gus Tue, May 8, 2012 8:22:35am |
re: #315 Killgore Trout
That's a tough situation. Just the fact that the crazy lady spoke at a campaign event about trying Obama for treason made it a news worthy situation no matter what his response was. McCain handled a similar situation much better but it was still bad publicity. But this is the consequences of mainstreaming crazy talk about trials for previous administrations.
Yes. Clearly this is the fault of the moonbats for what they did during the Bush years.
//
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 8:22:56am |
re: #316 Interesting Times
[Embedded content]
Reince Priebus said that marriage shouldn't be a Federal issue. The GOP can't even agree with themselves.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 8, 2012 8:23:18am |
re: #317 Gus
Yes. Clearly this is the fault of the moonbats for what they did during the Bush years.
//
Good morning, Gus.
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sagehen Tue, May 8, 2012 8:23:19am |
re: #259 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
But part of the fearmongering that the sports executives want to spread and that the politicians will be blamed and removed if the professional franchises leave for another city. With Los Angeles being the standard threat over the last decade for professional football teams.
A pointless threat; they've already got USC, UCLA, and the Rose Bowl, more than sufficient to meet the football needs of a basketball city.
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:24:02am |
re: #315 Killgore Trout
That's a tough situation. Just the fact that the crazy lady spoke at a campaign event about trying Obama for treason made it a news worthy situation no matter what his response was. McCain handled a similar situation much better but it was still bad publicity. But this is the consequences of mainstreaming crazy talk about trials for previous administrations.
He should have did what McCain did. Sorry shows a lack of leadership to me. This isn't the first time he's gone silent when craziness is amok. And crazy talk about presidents was happening long before the previous administration. Remember those who spread the crazy rumor that Clinton was a murderer?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:24:24am |
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 8:24:27am |
re: #317 Gus
Obama is lucky that he didn't have to answer questions from moonbats about trials for the Bush regime. It would have looked bad.
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Gus Tue, May 8, 2012 8:24:58am |
re: #323 Killgore Trout
Obama is lucky that he didn't have to answer questions from moonbats about trials for the Bush regime. It would have looked bad.
Yes. Bush "regime."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 8:25:00am |
re: #315 Killgore Trout
But this is the consequences of mainstreaming crazy talk about trials for previous administrations.
You don't need to repeat your opposition to the rule of law each time, we already got that you oppose it.
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Obdicut Tue, May 8, 2012 8:25:01am |
re: #315 Killgore Trout
Wow, nice half-gainer.
But this is the consequences of mainstreaming crazy talk about trials for previous administrations.
So your position is that if people hadn't talked about trying former administration officials for war crimes, this woman wouldn't have said this? That all the people who are saying Obama is a traitor are only doing so because of the precedent set?
Amazing how it all becomes the liberals fault that way. Nice job.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 8:25:48am |
re: #321 HappyWarrior
He should have did what McCain did. Sorry shows a lack of leadership to me. This isn't the first time he's gone silent when craziness is amok.
Agreed, I think McCain's response was better. I don;t know about lack of leadership but he certainly wasn't thinking on his feet.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 8:26:54am |
Good morning lizards!
I'm still searching for tabasco pepper plants. They are hard to find around here.
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Interesting Times Tue, May 8, 2012 8:26:59am |
We've let STUPID run rampant, fueled by IRRATIONAL FEARS, & used by Religious Fundamentalism. America was founded on ENLIGHTENMENT! #TROGwar— Bill Talley (@Political_Bill) May 8, 2012
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Lidane Tue, May 8, 2012 8:27:04am |
re: #315 Killgore Trout
What a bunch of horseshit. McCain handled the crazy lady well, correcting her and defending Barack Obama from the nonsense. Sure, it might have looked bad at first, but he got kudos for pushing back against the stupid.
Romney is a coward. He should have spoken up. The fact that he didn't is a character test that he failed. Period.
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:28:15am |
re: #327 Killgore Trout
Agreed, I think McCain's response was better. I don;t know about lack of leadership but he certainly wasn't thinking on his feet.
He should have said something. Not saying anything until afterwards shows to me that Mitt is too afraid to call out wingnuttery.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 8:28:38am |
re: #330 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
I'm still searching for tabasco pepper plants. They are hard to find around here.
I buy those little variety packs of chilies and just select the plants that I like best. It's a nice surprise to see what pops up.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:30:07am |
re: #333 HappyWarrior
He should have said something. Not saying anything until afterwards shows to me that Mitt is too afraid to call out wingnuttery.
Mitt is out of his realm. The emotions involved in Presidential Politics seem not to be registering in his brain.
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Obdicut Tue, May 8, 2012 8:30:55am |
re: #335 ggt
Mitt is out of his realm. The emotions involved in Presidential Politics seem not to be registering in his brain.
He does have this almost casual air to him, like he's applying to be CEO, and wants to be courted as much as he wants to court.
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:31:26am |
re: #335 ggt
Mitt is out of his realm. The emotions involved in Presidential Politics seem not to be registering in his brain.
I think he's a wimp. He gets all pissy in defense of corporations but silent when the president is called a traitor. That's cowardice to me.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 8:32:13am |
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 8:32:17am |
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:32:21am |
re: #336 Obdicut
He does have this almost casual air to him, like he's applying to be CEO, and wants to be courted as much as he wants to court.
I really think he sees the presidency as just another resume item for him.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:33:31am |
re: #336 Obdicut
He does have this almost casual air to him, like he's applying to be CEO, and wants to be courted as much as he wants to court.
re: #337 HappyWarrior
I think he's a wimp. He gets all pissy in defense of corporations but silent when the president is called a traitor. That's cowardice to me.
I'm thinking of the Vanity Fair article--he works in the "logic" bubble in public. His public persona is not suited for National Politics. He screwed-up when developing it and now has become it.
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erik_t Tue, May 8, 2012 8:33:35am |
re: #264 thedopefishlives
Well, hey, if the City of Minneapolis wants to commit money to buying the Vikings a new stadium, great. In fact, they're already going to shoulder part of the bill. But it's not the State of Minnesota's responsibility.
It's not particularly popular even in Minneapolis; as I recall, there was much consternation over an attempt to grant an exemption to a legal requirement for a city-wide referendum on funding a stadium.
I'm not following it all that closely, but don't y'all have other things to fund up in the Lesser White North? Maybe, I dunno, some new bridges or something?
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 8:34:09am |
Same-Sex Marriage Backed by Half of Americans
Fifty percent of Americans said they support same-sex marriage, just a pinch lower than last year's survey results, when a majority of Americans (53 percent) favored legalization of same-sex marriage. The first time Gallup posed the same-sex-marriage question was in 1996, when 27 percent said they supported it and 68 percent opposed. Since then, in 2007, 46 percent indicated support, while 44 percent said the same in 2010.
Support seems to fall along political and religious lines with nearly two-thirds of Democrats expressing support, compared with 57 percent of Independents and 22 percent of Republicans in this year's survey.
Though the Catholic Church officially opposes same-sex marriage, 51 percent of Catholics in the U.S. say it should be legal, compared with 38 percent of Protestants and 88 percent of those with no religious identity.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 8:34:09am |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
I buy those little variety packs of chilies and just select the plants that I like best. It's a nice surprise to see what pops up.
I already have 19 plants in the ground. I feel the need for a few more ;)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:34:42am |
re: #342 Gus
My favorite there is Newt!
//
I thought the Thor (?) wig looked like a British court (barrister) wig and thought, yes that fits him.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 8:36:32am |
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:36:37am |
re: #345 Kragar
Nearly doubled in not even two decades since DOMA. By 2024, I predict 70% of Americans will support marriage equality.
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:37:25am |
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lawhawk Tue, May 8, 2012 8:37:57am |
Well, as I suspected yesterday, the foiled underwear bomb plot and the UAV raid that killed a major al Qaeda figure (and who was linked to the USS Cole bombing) were connected.
"I was told by the White House that they are connected, that they are part of the same operation," Representative Peter King told CNN a day after news of the intercepted bomb that authorities said was intended to make its way to an airplane bound for the United States or other Western country.
King and U.S. security officials did not say what happened to the suspected suicide bomber or if he was killed in the strike."The person who actually had the bomb is no longer a threat," King said.
John Brennan, President Barack Obama's top counter terrorism adviser and a former CIA official, told ABC's "Good Morning America" program that authorities are "confident that neither the device nor the intended user of this device pose a threat to us."On Monday, the Obama administration said Middle East authorities had seized an improved underwear bomb within the last 10 days that they said shows al Qaeda's determination to build bombs that can pass through airport security systems.
A day earlier, two Yemeni members of al Qaeda were killed by a missile strike on their car, although Washington and Yemen do not acknowledge U.S. drone attacks on militants in the country.
News of the foiled plot was embargoed by the Administration until after the UAV airstrike, which is a smart move since letting on that the plot was busted might have tipped off those involved in the plot that they were being followed closely by US and foreign intel services.
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sagehen Tue, May 8, 2012 8:38:06am |
re: #350 HappyWarrior
Nearly doubled in not even two decades since DOMA. By 2024, I predict 70% of Americans will support marriage equality.
Not counting Mississippi, who still, to this day, can't muster majority support for letting interracial marriage be legal.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 8:38:36am |
I am getting messages on my work Blackberry from someone named Cathia Daros.
She wrote:
Oi. Quando voce chegar no brasil, me manda msg que que a viagem deu certo. Tudo bem?
Translated from Portuguese to English:
Oi. When you arrive in Brazil, sends me msg that that the trip has been a success. All well?
She must think I'm a secret service agent.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:39:02am |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
I am getting messages on my work Blackberry from someone named Cathia Daros.
She wrote:
Translated from Portuguese to English:
She must think I'm a secret service agent.
You're not?
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Lidane Tue, May 8, 2012 8:39:09am |
re: #348 Kragar
What you don't see is Ron Paul as the Hulk.
Santorum as Captain America is just wrong. Also, Rick Perry as Hawkeye makes me feel insulted on Jeremy Renner's behalf. WTF.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 8:39:18am |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
I am getting messages on my work Blackberry from someone named Cathia Daros.
She wrote:
Translated from Portuguese to English:
She must think I'm a secret service agent.
Just make sure you pay her!
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 8:40:22am |
re: #342 Gus
My favorite there is Newt!
//
The wig is awesome. Maybe he should consider that as a fashion statement.
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Lidane Tue, May 8, 2012 8:40:34am |
re: #345 Kragar
It's just a matter of time, really.
All the religious bigots and homophobes might as well get used to it. Gay marriage will end up being legal in this country.
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 8:41:06am |
re: #356 Lidane
Santorum as Captain America is just wrong. Also, Rick Perry as Hawkeye makes me feel insulted on Jeremy Renner's behalf. WTF.
Michelle Bachmann couldn't trick a 9 month old in a game of peek-a-boo.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 8:41:47am |
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:42:50am |
re: #353 sagehen
Not counting Mississippi, who still, to this day, can't muster majority support for letting interracial marriage be legal.
I know. That's so unbelievable to me. By the way, I found out my grandfather employed Richard Loving of Loving Vs. Virginia fame.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:43:15am |
re: #361 NJDhockeyfan
Should I tell her my name is Bond, James Bond?
It won't matter, she doesn't care.
As long as you PAY HER.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:44:09am |
re: #362 HappyWarrior
I know. That's so unbelievable to me. By the way, I found out my grandfather employed Richard Loving of Loving Vs. Virginia fame.
Loving v Virginia?
When did VA stop Loving?
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 8:44:31am |
Egypt Islamist vows global caliphate in J’lem
“We can see how the dream of the Islamic caliphate is being realized, God willing, by Dr. Mohamed Mursi,” Safwat Higazi told thousands of Brotherhood supporters at a Cairo soccer stadium as Mursi – the movement’s presidential candidate – and other Brotherhood officials nodded in agreement.
“The capital of the caliphate – the capital of the United States of the Arabs – will be Jerusalem, God willing,” Higazi said. “Our capital shall not be in Cairo, Mecca or Medina,” he said, before leading the crowd in chants of “Millions of martyrs march toward Jerusalem.”
Good luck with that.
/
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Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 8:45:06am |
re: #353 sagehen
Not counting Mississippi, who still, to this day, can't muster majority support for letting interracial marriage be legal.
They don't mind interracial marriage as long as its not with a black person.
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HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:45:44am |
re: #364 ggt
Loving v Virginia?
When did VA stop Loving?
When we banned interracial marriage and then gay marriage via Marshall-Newmann. Bob Marshall(Rick Santorum's Virginia equiv)
| 368 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 8:46:04am |
re: #365 Killgore Trout
Egypt Islamist vows global caliphate in J’lem
Good luck with that.
/
United States of the Arabs? They can't do that, USA is already taken!
| 369 |
Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 8:46:49am |
re: #368 NJDhockeyfan
United States of the Arabs? They can't do that, USA is already taken!
USA! USA!
| 370 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:46:56am |
re: #365 Killgore Trout
Egypt Islamist vows global caliphate in J’lem
Good luck with that.
/
I am really confused now.
The US is going to get Jerusalem? I didn't realize we wanted it.
| 371 |
HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:48:03am |
re: #368 NJDhockeyfan
United States of the Arabs? They can't do that, USA is already taken!
Lazy bastards can't flip it- United Arab States. There everyone's happy, except the Ukrainian Astronaut Strippers.
| 372 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 8:48:18am |
The Dems canceled a Unity Party in Wisconsin tomorrow. Following that news there is much seething going on at DKos.
| 373 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 8:48:45am |
[Link: www.nbcsandiego.com...]
Yahoo CEO Scott Thompson is sorry for allowing an inaccuracy about his education to appear in his official bio, but not remorseful enough to heed calls for him to resign.
Thompson apologized for the uproar caused by the misinformation
Hmm,,, back in my day, we called that a lie!
| 374 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:50:02am |
re: #373 sattv4u2
[Link: www.nbcsandiego.com...]
Yahoo CEO Scott Thompson is sorry for allowing an inaccuracy about his education to appear in his official bio, but not remorseful enough to heed calls for him to resign.
Thompson apologized for the uproar caused by the misinformation
Hmm,,, back in my day, we called that a lie!
A lot of people lie about their education and I've never understood it. A lie on job application or resume is an automatic fire. Lawyers can't work around it.
| 375 |
Varek Raith Tue, May 8, 2012 8:50:45am |
| 376 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 8:50:56am |
re: #374 ggt
A lot of people lie about their education and I've never understood it. A lie on job application or resume is an automatic fire. Lawyers can't work around it.
This may go way beyond that
Thompson's bio has periodically listed a bachelor's degree in computer science that he never received. The exaggeration was most recently repeated in documents that Yahoo filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
| 378 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 8:51:24am |
re: #331 Interesting Times
That's *incandescent* enlightenment mind you. None of your LED bulb crap!
| 379 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:51:27am |
re: #376 sattv4u2
This may go way beyond that
Thompson's bio has periodically listed a bachelor's degree in computer science that he never received. The exaggeration was most recently repeated in documents that Yahoo filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Federal lie-ing --double plus not good.
| 380 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 8:51:44am |
| 381 |
erik_t Tue, May 8, 2012 8:51:48am |
re: #375 Varek Raith
Fox News Contributor: Allowing Women To Vote ‘One Of The Greatest Mistakes That America Made’
What war on women?
| 382 |
HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:52:14am |
re: #374 ggt
A lot of people lie about their education and I've never understood it. A lie on job application or resume is an automatic fire. Lawyers can't work around it.
Yeah me neither. On that note, one of my favorite professors said he will write me a letter of recommendation for my federal resume. And I have my ceremony next Friday and commencement Saturday, then family party Sunday.
| 383 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 8:52:17am |
re: #377 ggt
Has Sergey been around lately?
Show Users shows he's here,,, and I saw a post awhile ago from him
| 384 |
Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 8:52:19am |
re: #375 Varek Raith
Fox News Contributor: Allowing Women To Vote ‘One Of The Greatest Mistakes That America Made’
Its only a war on women because women keep fighting back, damn them!
/
| 385 |
Lidane Tue, May 8, 2012 8:52:42am |
Compassionate conservatism at work:
Yesterday, House Republicans moved legislation forward aimed at preventing any reductions in military spending, even if that means cutting much needed programs for the nation’s poorest. The House Armed Services Committee’s bill provides $554 billion for the Pentagon — $29 billion more than DOD had requested — while the GOP-led Budget Committee packaged six bills that would “slice $261 billion from food stamps, Medicaid, social services and other programs for struggling Americans.”
Last night on Fox News, House Majoriy Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) claimed that the Republicans were just trimming the fat from the budget and getting rid of wasteful spending.
So let me get this straight -- giving the DoD billions more than what they asked for is fiscally responsible, but cutting food stamps and other social programs is getting rid of wasteful spending?
It's nice to know the GOP cares. Assholes. =P
| 386 |
Varek Raith Tue, May 8, 2012 8:52:54am |
| 388 |
HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:53:07am |
re: #375 Varek Raith
Fox News Contributor: Allowing Women To Vote ‘One Of The Greatest Mistakes That America Made’
Should have never allowed blacks to vote and landless males too.//
| 389 |
Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 8:53:20am |
re: #372 NJDhockeyfan
I also notice this on the Dkos rec list: Calling BS on "Underwear Bomb Plot": Blatant Fear-Mongering As Conflict Escalates in Yemen
What many of the articles don't mention is that the timing of this latest terrorist plot coincides with a major escalation of our drone campaign in Yemen.
Too much propaganda and fear-mongering. Too little truth.
Inside Job! False flag Operation! Fear Mongers!
Obama has been excellent in the war on terrorism but moonbats are still useless. What a bunch of idiots.
| 390 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:54:09am |
re: #385 Lidane
Compassionate conservatism at work:
So let me get this straight -- giving the DoD billions more than what they asked for is fiscally responsible, but cutting food stamps and other social programs is getting rid of wasteful spending?
It's nice to know the GOP cares. Assholes. =P
AND this helps the economy, how?
| 391 |
Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 8:54:41am |
re: #386 Varek Raith
Romney: ‘I’ll Take A Lot Of Credit’ For The Auto Industry’s Comeback
The one he said shouldn't have happened?
| 392 |
Gus Tue, May 8, 2012 8:54:51am |
To any of you Daily Kos readers lurking now just so you know, you are welcome here and Killgore does not speak for all of us by any means.
| 393 |
Varek Raith Tue, May 8, 2012 8:55:12am |
re: #389 Killgore Trout
I also notice this on the Dkos rec list: Calling BS on "Underwear Bomb Plot": Blatant Fear-Mongering As Conflict Escalates in Yemen
Inside Job! False flag Operation! Fear Mongers!
Obama has been excellent in the war on terrorism but moonbats are still useless. What a bunch of idiots.
I can't even navigate their comments section. Talk about a mess.
| 394 |
Lidane Tue, May 8, 2012 8:55:25am |
re: #386 Varek Raith
Romney: ‘I’ll Take A Lot Of Credit’ For The Auto Industry’s Comeback
I'll give Romney credit too. No one listened to his idiotic ravings about letting Detroit fail and the auto industry recovered.
| 395 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 8:55:38am |
re: #389 Killgore Trout
I also notice this on the Dkos rec list: Calling BS on "Underwear Bomb Plot": Blatant Fear-Mongering As Conflict Escalates in Yemen
Inside Job! False flag Operation! Fear Mongers!
Obama has been excellent in the war on terrorism but moonbats are still useless. What a bunch of idiots.
There were no publicized pre-9/11 warnings b/c (36+ / 0-)
agencies and White House were keeping them buried.Read the 9/11 Commission Report.
My book, TRAITOR: THE WHISTLEBLOWER & THE "AMERICAN TALIBAN," is Amazon's #1 Best Seller in Human Rights Books for February 2012.
by Jesselyn Radack on Tue May 08, 2012 at 06:17:06 AM PDT
Heh.
| 396 |
HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:55:52am |
re: #389 Killgore Trout
I also notice this on the Dkos rec list: Calling BS on "Underwear Bomb Plot": Blatant Fear-Mongering As Conflict Escalates in Yemen
Inside Job! False flag Operation! Fear Mongers!
Obama has been excellent in the war on terrorism but moonbats are still useless. What a bunch of idiots.
You know the saying, jokers to the left, clowns to the right. Now only if Obama sent Mr. Blonde.
| 398 |
Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 8:56:21am |
re: #393 Varek Raith
I can't even navigate their comments section. Talk about a mess.
It's always been a mess, I've never really understood how they navigate it but they do seem to like it that way.
| 399 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 8:56:43am |
re: #397 Lidane
School lunches don't provide jobs?
Let's see --
farmers
food industry
packaging industry
printing industry (labelling)
truckers
school cafeteria workers
cafeteria supply companies
hmm, you are right, no jobs there.
| 400 |
HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:57:26am |
re: #385 Lidane
Compassionate conservatism at work:
So let me get this straight -- giving the DoD billions more than what they asked for is fiscally responsible, but cutting food stamps and other social programs is getting rid of wasteful spending?
It's nice to know the GOP cares. Assholes. =P
Kind of on the same field of Senator Factual Statement holding up on the credit debt issue. What a jerk.
| 401 |
Varek Raith Tue, May 8, 2012 8:57:32am |
| 402 |
HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 8:58:48am |
re: #401 Varek Raith
Fox's Doocy: Maybe Obama Admin Thinks Health Care Law Is Constitutional "Because They Don't Know So Much About The Constitution"
Derp & Friends.
Yeah a Harvard trained lawyer doesn't know about the Constitution but a hackjob on Fox News does. Seriously, Doocy just quit dude.
| 403 |
Lidane Tue, May 8, 2012 8:58:53am |
re: #399 ggt
School lunches don't provide jobs?
Only for the kids who work as janitors in their schools. The rest can fend for themselves.
/2012 GOP
| 404 |
Varek Raith Tue, May 8, 2012 8:59:17am |
Google gets license to operate driverless cars in Nevada
*Makes mental note not to go to Nevada*
/
| 405 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 8:59:22am |
re: #392 Gus
To any of you Daily Kos readers lurking now just so you know, you are welcome here and Killgore does not speak for all of us by any means.
"Obama has been excellent in the war on terrorism"
Yeah,, how offensive of Kilgore!!!
| 406 |
Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 8:59:36am |
| 407 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 8:59:49am |
re: #389 Killgore Trout
She's getting some good calling out, actually:
I'm calling BS on this, and borderline CT. (18+ / 0-)
You're skating the fine boundary between mere complainer-ism and truther CT, right down to your last sentence "too little truth."Quoting Greenwald where he infers that the FBI has "concocted terrorist plots for ages"? Does that include 9/11, or only the cases where they were able to substitute fake explosives for real ones at great risk to themselves?
And your next-to-last paragraph is absurd. Complaining because they pounced the bomb when it was in transit? Really? Would you rather they wait until the last minute, when a bomber has it strapped on and armed to detonate?
As for "the timing coincides," of course it does, we're focusing more effort on Yemen right now. When you sweep the street in front of McDonalds, you pick up more McDonalds wrappers, does that surprise you too?
Sorry, but this "anything they do has got to have nefarious motives" crap is made of the same stuff as "whatever birth certificate Obama provides is probably a fake."
"Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.
by G2geek on Tue May 08, 2012 at 07:20:37 AM PDT
[ Parent ]
| 408 |
Lidane Tue, May 8, 2012 8:59:51am |
re: #402 HappyWarrior
Yeah a Harvard trained lawyer doesn't know about the Constitution but a hackjob on Fox News does. Seriously, Doocy just quit dude.
A Harvard trained lawyer who taught Constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School, at that.
A Faux News drone calling anyone ignorant is laughable. Doocy can get bent.
| 409 |
Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 9:00:09am |
re: #402 HappyWarrior
Yeah a Harvard trained lawyer doesn't know about the Constitution but a hackjob on Fox News does. Seriously, Doocy just quit dude.
Doocy, pronounced Douche-ee
| 410 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:00:30am |
| 411 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 9:00:40am |
re: #396 HappyWarrior
You know the saying, jokers to the left, clowns to the right.
The problem is that everyone thinks that. /
| 413 |
Gus Tue, May 8, 2012 9:00:52am |
re: #405 sattv4u2
"Obama has been excellent in the war on terrorism"Yeah,, how offensive of Kilgore!!!
You're the one that said "offensive".
| 414 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:01:17am |
| 416 |
Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 9:01:47am |
re: #405 sattv4u2
"Obama has been excellent in the war on terrorism"Yeah,, how offensive of Kilgore!!!
Supporting the Dem President and laughing at conspiracy theories that he's staging terror plots to pursue and agenda of continuous neocon wars? Outrageous!
/
| 417 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 9:01:52am |
| 418 |
HappyWarrior Tue, May 8, 2012 9:01:54am |
re: #408 Lidane
A Harvard trained lawyer who taught Constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School, at that.
A Faux News drone calling anyone ignorant is laughable. Doocy can get bent.
Yeah, it's laughable. Be one thing if he disagreed with their interpretation but no Numnuts went the only conservatives understand the Constitution route and liberals are too dumb to understand.
| 419 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 9:02:18am |
| 420 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:02:35am |
I think it is a stuffed animal, what do you think?
| 422 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 9:02:49am |
re: #407 May Day! May Day!
She's getting some good calling out, actually:
This moonbat didn't like that comment.
I'm sorry that Bush and Cheney's (1+ / 0-)
propaganda worked so well on you.BOO! TERRORIST! Time to take away some rights.
'Betting against Facebook since 2012'
by VictorLaszlo on Tue May 08, 2012 at 08:33:36 AM PDT
| 423 |
Varek Raith Tue, May 8, 2012 9:04:01am |
| 424 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:04:43am |
re: #423 Varek Raith
Maurice Sendak, author of 'Where the Wild Things Are,' dead at 83
:(
I hated that book as a kid.
I hope his passing was peaceful.
| 425 |
Killgore Trout Tue, May 8, 2012 9:04:55am |
re: #407 May Day! May Day!
She's getting some good calling out, actually:
There's a bit of pushback. The tip jar is (72+ / 8-). But it's still a conspiracy theory which is supposed to be banned over there. Sadly, this is pretty common among progressives. They don't handle terrorism very well. It just doesn't seem to compute with them. It's one of the reasons that the Paulians still fit in pretty well on the left.
| 426 |
Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 9:05:18am |
Lila Rose: The Church Must 'Rise Up' Because 'This is Our Nation'
Hailed as "the Upton Sinclair of this generation" by her Religious Right elders, Lila Rose has been at the forefront of right-wing video guerrilla activism, targeting groups like Planned Parenthood and then releasing selectively edited footage designed to promote her anti-abortion crusade.
Rose, who believes that all abortions ought to be performed in public, has been the guest on James Robison's "Life Today" television program for the last few days, where the two discussed the need for Christians to take the lead in efforts to outlaw abortion with Robison warning that "the Enemy of life, the Enemy of truth" has politicized the issue in order to intimidate Christians into remaining silent, as Rose declared that it was time for the Church to rise up because "this is our nation":
Dats in duh konstitushun!
| 427 |
lawhawk Tue, May 8, 2012 9:05:35am |
re: #401 Varek Raith
It's quite clear from the Constitution that Congress may enact laws that provide for the general welfare (Art 1, Sec. 8), as well as those laws that are necessary and proper to effectuate the foregoing powers (Art 1, Sec. 8, Cl. 18). It also allows Congress to impose taxes to pay for those things.
Derp indeed.
| 428 |
Lidane Tue, May 8, 2012 9:05:42am |
Speaking of The Avengers, I'm off. Now that school is over and I have some time to myself, I'm heading to the movie theater today.
See ya later, Lizards!
| 429 |
Varek Raith Tue, May 8, 2012 9:05:59am |
re: #428 Lidane
Speaking of The Avengers, I'm off. Now that school is over and I have some time to myself, I'm heading to the movie theater today.
See ya later, Lizards!
Congrats.:)
| 430 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 9:06:17am |
re: #422 NJDhockeyfan
This moonbat didn't like that comment.
Eh, differences of opinion. Moonbats are silly but generally not in the offensive direction. Complaining about the supposed CTs about the government is offensive to just intellect, while complaining about "wookies in the White House" is offensive on every front.
| 432 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:08:17am |
Mystery of horse taming 'solved' by gene study
By Helen BriggsHorses tamed earlier than thought. Horses were domesticated 6,000 years ago on the grasslands of Ukraine, southwest Russia and west Kazakhstan, a genetic study shows.
Domestic horses then spread across Europe and Asia, breeding with wild mares along the way, research published in the journal PNAS suggests.
Horese were tamed right after the Earth was created --who'd thunk it?
/:0
| 433 |
Lidane Tue, May 8, 2012 9:08:17am |
Before I go, one last thing:
Report: Painter Thomas Kinkade died of drug and alcohol overdose
OK. Now I'm gone. See ya later!
| 434 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 9:09:24am |
re: #433 Lidane
Before I go, one last thing:
Report: Painter Thomas Kinkade died of drug and alcohol overdose
OK. Now I'm gone. See ya later!
*one eyebrow goes up*
| 435 |
Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 9:09:44am |
re: #432 ggt
Horese were tamed right after the Earth was created --who'd thunk it?
/:0
We canz have dominionz over all livining tings?
| 436 |
Kragar Tue, May 8, 2012 9:10:03am |
re: #433 Lidane
Before I go, one last thing:
Report: Painter Thomas Kinkade died of drug and alcohol overdose
OK. Now I'm gone. See ya later!
That explains the paintings.
| 437 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:10:49am |
re: #433 Lidane
Before I go, one last thing:
Report: Painter Thomas Kinkade died of drug and alcohol overdose
OK. Now I'm gone. See ya later!
so sad.
| 438 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 9:15:50am |
Delusional much??
(John) Edwards told Toben that he was still popular enough to be tapped as Obama's running mate or win a spot in his Cabinet, Toben said. Toben said he found it "astonishing" that Edwards believed he could still merit such a position of authority considering that tabloids were reporting on his affair, and Toben knew the reports to be true.
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 439 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:16:02am |
Adaptation: Why your brain loves to tune out
Our brains are remarkably good at tuning out all sorts of constants in our everyday lives.
The constant whir of a fan. The sensation of the clothes against your skin. The chair pressing against your legs. Chances are that you were not acutely aware of these until I pointed them out. The reason you had somehow forgotten about their existence? A fundamental brain process that we call adaptation.Our brains are remarkably good at cancelling out all sorts of constants in our everyday lives. The brain is interested in changes that it needs to react or respond to, and so brain cells are charged with looking for any of these differences, no matter how minute. This makes it a waste of time registering things that are not changing, like the sensation of clothes or a chair against your body, so the brain uses adaptation to tune this background out, allowing you to focus on what is new.
ggt puts hands over ears, closes eyes and chantes, "I'm not listening to you"
just trying out my Fox News Drone Hallowing Costume.
How does it look?
| 440 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 9:17:17am |
re: #435 Kragar
We canz have dominionz over all livining tings?
I'd prefer Dominoes pizza right about now!
| 441 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:17:32am |
re: #438 sattv4u2
Delusional much??
(John) Edwards told Toben that he was still popular enough to be tapped as Obama's running mate or win a spot in his Cabinet, Toben said. Toben said he found it "astonishing" that Edwards believed he could still merit such a position of authority considering that tabloids were reporting on his affair, and Toben knew the reports to be true.
[Link: www.google.com...]
malignant narcissist?
Must be the hair --he and Blago
| 442 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:19:54am |
| 443 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 9:21:01am |
| 444 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 9:21:36am |
| 445 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 9:22:27am |
Police investigating Islamic school over curriculum comparing Jews to Nazis
Police are investigating a complaint about a Toronto Muslim school whose curriculum tells boys to exercise so they are “ready for jihad,” refers to “treacherous Jews” and contrasts Islam with “the Jews and the Nazis.”
“Yes, I can confirm for you that a complaint has been made and our Hate Crimes Unit is investigating,” Acting Sergeant Rebecca Boyd, a York Region Police spokeswoman, told the National Post on Monday.
...The complaints concerned the school’s Level 8 curriculum, which describe historical conflicts between Muslims and Jews. It refers to “Jewish plots and treacheries” as well as “crafty” and “treacherous” Jews.
Ugh.
| 446 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 9:22:41am |
re: #444 NJDhockeyfan
Put bacon on it. Instant breakfast!
No thanks. I prefer not to have to chew my coffee!
| 447 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 8, 2012 9:24:11am |
| 448 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 9:26:48am |
re: #445 NJDhockeyfan
The system works.
| 449 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 8, 2012 9:29:02am |
re: #446 sattv4u2
No thanks. I prefer not to have to chew my coffee!
Never had bacon coffee? You haven't lived until you tried it at a vegan coffee house.
| 450 |
Eventual Carrion Tue, May 8, 2012 9:32:46am |
re: #323 Killgore Trout
Obama is lucky that he didn't have to answer questions from moonbats about trials for the Bush regime. It would have looked bad.
You mean ACTUAL crimes that ACTUAL people had been convicted of in our history (convicted by us), rather than spouted lunacy with no basis in fact that even they can articulate. Yeah seems equal.
| 451 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 9:34:49am |
re: #399 ggt
School lunches don't provide jobs?
Let's see --
farmers
food industry
packaging industry
printing industry (labelling)
truckers
school cafeteria workers
cafeteria supply companieshmm, you are right, no jobs there.
But Mitt the Ripper sees... opportunity!
| 452 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, May 8, 2012 9:35:46am |
re: #450 RayFerd
You mean ACTUAL crimes that ACTUAL people had been convicted of in our history (convicted by us), rather than spouted lunacy with no basis in fact that even they can articulate. Yeah seems equal.
In the Resentment Lalaland there is no diff between actual and imaginary. Your pleas fall on deaf ears.
| 453 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 9:38:09am |
| 454 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:39:30am |
re: #453 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Is that what you're calling Ewok hunting nowadays?
I started the family room last night.
Washed the walls, cleaned the wood furniture, and got 1/3 of the way thru the bookshelves. Have to finish today, clean the carpet, the TV and put the room back together.
I don't want to.
| 455 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, May 8, 2012 9:42:54am |
re: #454 ggt
I started the family room last night.
Washed the walls, cleaned the wood furniture, and got 1/3 of the way thru the bookshelves. Have to finish today, clean the carpet, the TV and put the room back together.
I don't want to.
I should get the apartment a thorough cleaning, including the walls and carpets. However, I think I'll delay it until they fix the window frame that has a leak that is causing plaster to bubble in a few spots. I suspect this will be a major repair that will require a bunch of furniture to be moved, and so forth.
At that point I might see if I can get the management copy to eat the bill for at least part of the carpet cleaning (the main room at least) and maybe cut a deal to temporarily shift everything out and get a fresh coat of paint as well.
| 456 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, May 8, 2012 9:48:58am |
re: #455 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I should get the apartment a thorough cleaning, including the walls and carpets. However, I think I'll delay it until they fix the window frame that has a leak that is causing plaster to bubble in a few spots. I suspect this will be a major repair that will require a bunch of furniture to be moved, and so forth.
At that point I might see if I can get the management copy to eat the bill for at least part of the carpet cleaning (the main room at least) and maybe cut a deal to temporarily shift everything out and get a fresh coat of paint as well.
Makes sense.
I have to wash the walls periodically --smoke, dogs, cats, teenager, husband. Vinegar and hot water. You'd be suprised what is on the walls --I am.
Helps with the cigarette/animal/teenager/man smell too!
| 457 |
Eventual Carrion Tue, May 8, 2012 10:17:24am |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
I am getting messages on my work Blackberry from someone named Cathia Daros.
She wrote:
Translated from Portuguese to English:
She must think I'm a secret service agent.
Reply back, "The pooch is humping the sofa, I repeat, the pooch is humping the sofa!"
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Frank says:And all the rest of whom for which to whensoever of partially indeterminate bio-chemical degredation. Seek the path to the sudsy yellow nozzle of their foaming nocturnal parametric digital whole-wheat inter-faith geo-thermal terpsichorean ejectamenta. -- From board tape at Zappa concert, outdoors, at Blossom Music Center, Akron, Ohio, summer 1984. This quote was in the middle of a spoken section of "The Mud Club" in which a dude walks into the club with a blue Mohawk and proceeds to "work the floor, work the wall, work the monitor system. . . ." The band was having monitor feedback problems at the Blossom concert, and there are numerous references to P.A. equipment throughout this ramble. Other than that, the quote is meaningless, I guess. But great imagery!
