50% of Americans Support Gay Marriage, but Only 22% of Republicans

The numbers say it all
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The latest Gallup poll finds that 50% of Americans are in favor of legalizing gay marriage.

That number would be much higher, but the reactionary right wing is pulling down the curve.

PRINCETON, NJ — Fifty percent of Americans believe same-sex marriages should be recognized by law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages — down slightly from 53% last year, but marking only the second time in Gallup’s history of tracking this question that at least half of Americans have supported legal same-sex marriage. Forty-eight percent say such marriages should not be legal. …

Last’s year’s Values and Beliefs survey marked the first time in Gallup’s history of tracking this issue that a majority favored legalization. Prior to last year, the highest level of support had been 46%, measured in 2007. In 1996, when Gallup first asked the question, 27% supported it, while 68% were opposed.

The issue of same-sex marriage sharply divides the American public along political and religious lines. Almost two-thirds of Democrats support legalizing it, compared with 57% of independents and 22% of Republicans.

These numbers tell the whole story; and this is the reason why Mitt Romney’s openly gay foreign policy adviser Richard Grenell had to go.

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80 comments

1 iossarian  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:47:19am

When our descendants look back and contemplate 2012 Republicans, I hope that laughter is at least part of their reaction.

2 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:48:02am

So to go OT so quickly, but what the flying fuck is going on in Libya?

3 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:48:30am

re: #1 iossarian

When our descendants look back and contemplate 2012 Republicans, I hope that laughter is at least part of their reaction.

It would already be part of my reaction if it wasn't otherwise so terrifying.

4 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:48:31am
5 dragonfire1981  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:49:20am

So will Mitt Romney take credit for this too?

6 dragonfire1981  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:50:47am

Reposted from the earlier thread in reference to "purity balls"

With the purity ball thing, it kind of looks similar to me. The father is responsible for his daughter’s chastity, he locks it up in this little box, and on her wedding day he hands the box and the key to the husband and the husband gets to unlock her sexuality.

It doesn’t make for a whole lot of agency on the young woman’s part. But I do think that in these families, these are really profound and important relationships. While a lot of us stand on the outside and say, “That’s incestuous,” or “That’s creepy,” when you’re inside that world, it’s part of an important relationship a daughter has with her father. So, while it’s founded on some ideas that I think are really retrograde and dangerous about men controlling female sexuality, it looks very different from inside that community.

I've often wondered about the outside perceptions of things like purity pledges and whatnot. I've also heard the idea that a girls first "date" should be with her father. He should take her to dinner and show her how a man is supposed to treat a lady, so she'll know when she's found a good guy.

7 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:51:05am

That number will be even higher by the end of the decade.

8 dragonfire1981  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:51:31am

I feel like I can already hear the victory yells from the right wingers on this. They are no doubt planning a celebration and a feast.

9 Obdicut  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:52:15am

Mitt Romney supported Prop 8, and has signed NOM's pledge. He's right out there in the extreme with his party.

10 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:52:22am

re: #6 dragonfire1981

Reposted from the earlier thread in reference to "purity balls"

I've often wondered about the outside perceptions of things like purity pledges and whatnot. I've also heard the idea that a girls first "date" should be with her father. He should take her to dinner and show her how a man is supposed to treat a lady, so she'll know when she's found a good guy.

reposting my response:

re: #59 dragonfire1981

I've often wondered about the outside perceptions of things like purity pledges and whatnot. I've also heard the idea that a girls first "date" should be with her father. He should take her to dinner and show her how a man is supposed to treat a lady, so she'll know when she's found a good guy.

If she doesn't know by the time she is of dating age . . .

How does Dad treat Mom or the Lady in his life.

LIttle pictures have big eyes and perfectly functioning brains.

This ritual tribal behavior only reinforces Patriarchal stereotypes.

Virgins, hetero sex, homo sex, --all of this has so much to do with the economy.

It's about Power.

11 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:54:48am

re: #6 dragonfire1981

Reposted from the earlier thread in reference to "purity balls"

I've often wondered about the outside perceptions of things like purity pledges and whatnot. I've also heard the idea that a girls first "date" should be with her father. He should take her to dinner and show her how a man is supposed to treat a lady, so she'll know when she's found a good guy.

I'll join in reposting stuff too!

While the internal community may have some distorted perspective in which this sort of thing seems OK or even good, that doesn't change the fact that the perspective is still distorted.

Basically: Sure, there is value in understanding how this sort of stuff is viewed inside a community, but fucked up is fucked up.

12 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:54:53am

Wonder what the breakdown is by age group?

I gotta go,

Have a great one all!

13 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:58:02am

re: #12 ggt

Wonder what the breakdown is by age group?

I gotta go,

Have a great one all!

Support I imagine his higher with younger people as a whole.

14 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:59:37am

Here is what I am referring to:

Libyan civil war: The office of the interim prime minister comes under attack in Tripoli. Most people inside the building flee, including the finance minister and the deputy prime minister. Prime minister Abdurrahim El-Keib is unaccounted for.

Before we start clutching pearls, let's point out that the First 5-7 years after the Treaty of Paris were very dysfunctional for the US.

15 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:03:38am

re: #14 ProGunLiberal

Here is what I am referring to:

[Embedded content] Before we start clutching pearls, let's point out that the First 5-7 years after the Treaty of Paris were very dysfunctional for the US.

BBC: Libya PM office attacked by gunmen in Tripoli

At least two security officials have been killed after ex-rebels attacked the office of the Libyan prime minister in the capital, Tripoli.

A witness said pick-up trucks mounted with anti-aircraft guns surrounded the building and a gun battle ensued.

A government official later said the fighting had ceased.

The attackers are said to be former rebels who fought to topple Col Gaddafi last year, who are demanding pay-outs promised under a reward scheme.
Most people inside the building fled, including the finance minister and the deputy prime minister.

16 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:08:06am

OT: I've pretty much firmed up my vacation plans this month. I'm heading to the Lake House on the 16th ( God Willing ) With Winston.. It's been years since I've been there and I inherited from my folks this year.
So this is my future lizards. Winston and I will have domain over 20 acres of woods and grazing land. A cool house, A fireplace in the woods to read by, Jumping into the boat before dawn and just driving for hours..Little Winston with his floaty on propped up like on the Bow of the Titanic, I'm the king of the World! You know how to drive this boat Hoopster? No really..We can go faster...:)
Then we are going to the Indy 500 for memorial day weekend to Paulie's House. I'm pretty jacked up today

17 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:09:16am

I am sure that there are similar gaps between the GOP and the general public on themes like abortion, contraception, teaching of sexual education and evolution, taxation, etc...

This was the Most Dangerious Game Mitt had to play to get nominated.

Can he come back from the brink?

18 erik_t  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:13:29am

re: #9 Obdicut

Mitt Romney supported Prop 8, and has signed NOM's pledge. He's right out there in the extreme with his party.

He's running for office for Pete's sakes, he can't have illegals unpopular political donations.

19 Cinnabar  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:18:48am

re: #11 Simply Sarah

I'll join in reposting stuff too!

Basically: Sure, there is value in understanding how this sort of stuff is viewed inside a community, but fucked up is fucked up.

If you have any doubts, try reversing the sexes. Consider the case of mothers taking their sons to purity balls, to show them how women are supposed to be treated.

Oh, yes -- and getting the little heart-and-key party favors.

20 wrenchwench  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:23:10am

OK, I'll repost something too.

50 simoom Tue, May 8, 2012 10:21:00am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

He also signed NOM's 2012 5-point Presidential Pledge. Here's the PDF with Romney's signature:

[Link: [Link: www.nomblog.com...]...]

I, Mitt Romney, pledge to the American people that if elected President, I will:

One, support sending a federal constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman to the states for ratification.

Two, nominate to the U.S. Supreme Court and federal bench judges who are committed to restraint and to applying the original meaning of the Constitution, appoint an attorney general similarly committed, and thus reject the idea our Founding Fathers inserted a right to gay marriage into our Constitution.

Three, defend the federal Defense of Marriage Act vigorously in court.

Four, establish a presidential commission on religious liberty to investigate and document reports of American who have been harassed or threatened for exercising key civil rights to organize, to speak, to donate or to vote for marriage and to propose new protections, if need.

Five, advance legislation to return to the people of the District of Columbia their right to vote on marriage.

Enshrining discrimination in the Constitution is one of the most offensive things I can think of.

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:23:16am

re: #11 Simply Sarah

This is just a throwback to an era when a daugther's intact virginity was a seen as a tradeable commodity.

The tradition of the engagement ring stems from that era, it was a "deposit" on her honor and recompensation in in the event lost her virginity while still engaged and the wedding then did not take place.

But it also shows the degree of obsession that these people have about sex and sexuality: instead of expressing it through extreme promiscuousness, they express it through extreme prudery.

22 Flounder  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:30:01am

And now for something completely different:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I hate truck nutz, this arrest is a good start.

23 Varek Raith  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:31:14am

re: #22 Tommy's cone of shame

And now for something completely different:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I hate truck nutz, this arrest is a good start.

Ha!

24 Gus  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:32:36am

The alleged party of liberty and freedom against liberty and freedom for others.

25 bratwurst  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:33:47am

re: #24 Gus

The alleged party of liberty and freedom

And small government...except when it comes to genitalia.

26 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:34:12am

re: #24 Gus

The alleged party of liberty and freedom against liberty and freedom for others.

They think it's freedom and liberty to discriminate. Which is why Paul and son among others hate the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:34:19am

So as long as they are not flesh colored and anatomically correct are they acceptable?

28 Gus  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:34:49am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

They think it's freedom and liberty to discriminate. Which is why Paul and son among others hate the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Yeah. You know Republicans. It's all freedom and liberty is only about GUNZ!!!

29 S'latch  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:34:53am

Maybe the 74% of Republicans who oppose same-sex marriage are not True Conservatives.

Marriage is a contract.

Conservatives generally support the right to contract freely.

Freedom of contract means the freedom of individuals and corporations to form contracts without government restrictions. The freedom to contract is the underpinning of laissez-faire economics.

30 Gus  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:35:51am

So if corporations are people what happens when we have two gay corporations that want to merge? What would the Republicans say?

//

31 dragonfire1981  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:36:07am
Senate Republicans Tuesday afternoon blocked the advancement of a Democratic bill to extend the current student loan interest rate over objections to how the measure will be funded.

Members voted 52 to 45 to block cloture on the bill, which would hold Stafford student loan interest rates for an estimated 7.4 million students at 3.4 percent instead of allowing them to double in July. The Democrats' $6 billion bill would be funded by closing a tax loophole, thereby raising Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes on select wealthy stockholders of private companies—hence the Republican opposition.

Fiscal responsibility!

32 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:36:35am

re: #30 Gus

So if corporations are people what happens when we have two gay corporations that want to merge? What would the Republicans say?

//

Bain's getting married?

33 dragonfire1981  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:36:41am

re: #28 Gus

Yeah. You know Republicans. It's all freedom and liberty is only about GUNZ!!!

And Jesus. Can't forget Jesus.

34 Interesting Times  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:36:50am

re: #25 bratwurst

And small government...except when it comes to genitalia.

Republicans, Get In My Vagina!

35 Bulworth  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:36:56am

re: #24 Gus

The alleged party of liberty and freedom against liberty and freedom for others.

I am just shocked, absolutely shocked by this finding in this poll. /

36 Targetpractice  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:37:37am

re: #31 dragonfire1981

And coming shortly, the party-line House vote that will send their bill to the Senate, which pays for the extension via cuts to the ACA, which the Senate GOP will push as "fiscal responsibility."

37 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:37:54am

re: #31 dragonfire1981

And then they cry that Obama takes the issue to campuses. There;s a reason why younger voters distrust Republicans and that stunt is why.

38 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:39:17am

re: #29 Lawrence Schmerel

Free Market economics plays a secondary role compared to a very Dominionist view.

To wit: out "unique" position is due to the fact that we are God's favored nation. We enjoy his favor because our laws reflect (their fundamentalist interpretation of) his divine laws and commandments.

If we start allowing things that are against (their view of) God's divine will, such as allowing gay marriage, abortions, contraception, prostitution, drug use, obscenity or pornography, progressive taxation, etc., then we are risking losing favor with God and will be cast on the scrap heap of history along with all the other failed empires of history...

And that is why these people see no room for compromise or even practical expediency: God is watching us fornicate...

39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:40:19am

re: #29 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the 74% of Republicans who oppose same-sex marriage are not True Conservatives.

Marriage is a contract.

Conservatives generally support the right to contract freely.

Freedom of contract means the freedom of individuals and corporations to form contracts without government restrictions. The freedom to contract is the underpinning of laissez-faire economics.

I know a conservatarian who thinks this way, but as long as the state has anything to do with marriage, the "people should decide" whether gays can marry. His solution: state should get out of marriage business.

40 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:40:59am

re: #22 Tommy's cone of shame

And now for something completely different:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I hate truck nutz, this arrest is a good start.

"He was arrested and held in jail on $237.50 bond for driving without a license. The deputy also issued a warning citation for obscene display."

41 Gus  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:41:37am

Republicans need to realize that supporting gay marriage won't turn them gay. Neither will they burn in an imaginary hell for supporting said marriages.

42 Gus  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:42:40am

Once you allow gay marriage people will start demanding to marry horses. Livestock! Sheep! It's a slippery slope I tells ya'!!!!!!

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:43:23am

Gay marriage will enable pedophilia. //

44 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:43:25am

Wingnuts spring into action: Rep. King suggests administration may have misled public on bomb plot, calls for review

The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee suggested Tuesday that the Obama administration may have misled the public in keeping the lid on the latest Al Qaeda-affiliate bomb plot, and called for a review into the way the government handles top-secret information.
"I think we have to find a better way in the future to see or at least do (a review on) how we can tell the public, what we should tell the public," Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., told Fox News. King described the challenge as walking a "fine line," but said that if officials are trying to keep a secret, they should "do it in a way not to mislead the public."

Impeach the traitor!
/

45 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:43:45am

re: #42 Gus

It's a slippery slope I tells ya'!!!

Not without some lubrication.

46 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:44:54am

re: #41 Gus

Republicans need to realize that supporting gay marriage won't turn them gay. Neither will they burn in an imaginary hell for supporting said marriages.

see post #38: they might not burn in hell, but our beloved country will fall from grace with God, and no True Patriot can let that happen.

47 freetoken  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:45:54am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

They just hate that the President is not filling their idealized stereotype of him as a UN-loving, commie-loving, terrorist-appeasing Muslim.

48 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:46:51am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts spring into action: Rep. King suggests administration may have misled public on bomb plot, calls for review

Impeach the traitor!
/

Why do these people want to compromise national security and ongoing investigations? Do they want to enable terrorists?

49 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:47:22am

re: #47 freetoken

They just hate that the President is not filling their idealized stereotype of him as a UN-loving, commie-loving, terrorist-appeasing Muslim.

Yeah it's getting ridiculous here. I know they want to believe he's an appeaser but you're entitled only to your opinion not the facts.

50 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:49:13am

re: #48 Expand Your Ground

Why do these people want to compromise national security and ongoing investigations? Do they want to enable terrorists?

Not really. They just want to make a mess for the president and they're pissed that successfully breaking up the bomb plot generates good publicity for him.

51 lawhawk  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:50:21am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

That's even as officials note that the guy who leaked the intel necessary for the raid that killed Quso is the same one who provided intel on the underwear bomb plot.

It's possible that the Administration didn't mislead at all - they may have signed off on a plan to infiltrate and stop the bomb plot without knowing when and how it would be stopped, all while knowing that opsec would be compromised if they said anything other than a general denial of any plots (giving AQ false information so as not to tip them off that they've been compromised).

I'd say that the Administration did the right thing here. Operational security can and does include misinformation - that can include omission of information. We need the President and the national security apparatus to be able to conduct these operations with security precautions in peace that might otherwise jeopardize the missions at hand.

53 Gus  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:55:49am

WRT to the previous thread. TPM's headline is pretty funny...

Romney Puzzles Republicans By Claiming Credit For Auto Bailout

54 Targetpractice  Tue, May 8, 2012 11:59:51am

re: #53 Gus

WRT to the previous thread. TPM's headline is pretty funny...

Romney Puzzles Republicans By Claiming Credit For Auto Bailout

They're puzzled only because, like most Romney "victories," they can't figure out what part he played.

55 wrenchwench  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:05:02pm
56 Gus  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:05:25pm

ForWARd!

57 freetoken  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:06:39pm

File under "What Theocracy?", from the BBC:

North Carolina voting on gay unions ban

[...]

Joe Easterling, who described himself as a devout Christian, told the Associated Press he voted for the amendment.

"I think it is important that the state of North Carolina's laws are compatible with the laws of nature but, more importantly, with the laws of God," Mr Easterling said.

Another supporter told the Charlotte Observer: "Our church has taken a stand on this."

[...]

58 Varek Raith  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:07:13pm

re: #56 Gus

ForWARd!

Commie.

59 freetoken  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:09:14pm

re: #56 Gus

ForWARd!

Not only that, but the anagram is: Ford War !

Obama wants to make war on one of America's car companies!!

60 freetoken  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:12:08pm

Another part of Obama's plot to bring PR into American statehood, thus ensuring Democratic Party entrenched majorities, and to make America communist?


Puerto Rico Aims To Become Fully Bilingual By 2022

The governor of Puerto Rico is trying to do what more than a century of American citizenship has failed to accomplish: teach Puerto Ricans to speak English as well as they do Spanish.

Gov. Luis Fortuno has proposed an ambitious plan to give public school students a fully bilingual education within 10 years: He wants to require all schools to teach all courses in English while still offering Spanish grammar and literature classes.

The U.S. territory has had a long and contentious relationship with the English language, and many Puerto Ricans are skeptical about embracing it, fearing they will lose a key part of their identity and find themselves a step closer to statehood, a status that only about half of islanders have backed in recent polls.

61 Flounder  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:12:44pm

Before I leave for the day, I think Lawhawk and Ooog are familiar from this area and maybe of interest:

Marylou Whitney and her husband, John Hendrickson, have called an end to the annual Whitney Gala, a lavish affair held every summer the night before the Whitney Stakes at the Saratoga Race Course.

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

and President Obama visited future President Cuomo in Albany NY today

Using the University at Albany's nanotechnology center as a backdrop, President Barack Obama delivered a speech about the U.S. economy that touted a combination of private and public funds that go into the high-tech school.

He also fired a broadside at Republicans in Congress who he blamed for inaction on White House proposals he said would spur economic growth.

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

62 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:12:54pm

re: #59 freetoken

Not only that, but the anagram is: Ford War !

Obama wants to make war on one of America's car companies!!

Subcompacts unite!

63 erik_t  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:13:40pm

re: #60 freetoken

Another part of Obama's plot to bring PR into American statehood, thus ensuring Democratic Party entrenched majorities, and to make America communist?

Puerto Rico Aims To Become Fully Bilingual By 2022

Clearly Obama wants to make Puerto Ricans more like real 'Murricans, as this will distract everyone else from the fact that he's not a real 'Murrican.

64 freetoken  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:15:54pm

Shhh....

12-month stretch ending in April is warmest on record, NOAA says

The previous 12 months were the warmest in the U.S. since record keeping began in 1895, government scientists reported Tuesday, with the period averaging 55.7 degrees Fahrenheit — nearly three degrees warmer than the average May-April.

[...]

65 dragonath  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:16:16pm

Puerto Rico is actually pretty hardcore Republican. Boy, would they be in for a shock if and when they decide to join the union.

66 freetoken  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:23:20pm

Mitt Romney could take credit for lowering heating bills, no?

12-month period (May 2011-April 2012)

The 12-month period (May 2011-April 2012), which includes several warm periods for the country — second hottest summer, fourth warmest winter, and warmest March — was the warmest consecutive 12-month period for the contiguous United States. Twenty-two states were record warm for the 12-month period, and an additional 19 states were top ten warm. The 12-month running average temperature for the contiguous U.S. was 55.7 degrees F, which is 2.8 degrees F above the 20th century average.

67 celticdragon  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:24:35pm

re: #41 Gus

Republicans need to realize that supporting gay marriage won't turn them gay. Neither will they burn in an imaginary hell for supporting said marriages.

Theo conservatives like Rod Dreher start going into bizarre BS like this when you try to engage them on the subject>>>

Maybe Daniel and I are wrong about this; I certainly hope we are. I don’t think we are, and in any case, I don’t see why we should keep quiet about what we really think because it might discourage people. It has been my view since around 2008 that trads should focus all our activism and attention on erecting defensible perimeters for our liberties and the liberties of our institutions in a SSM environment. When the Senate Republicans, in the wake of George W. Bush’s re-election, couldn’t even get the Federal Marriage Amendment out of the Senate — and when our born-again Christian president wouldn’t fight for it, even though marriage trads had been key to the turnout that re-elected him — I knew then that we weren’t going to win this thing in the long run. Study after study confirms what I’ve seen anecdotally in my experience: the opposition to same-sex marriage is heavily concentrated among older people. Young people not only don’t share traditional beliefs on the issue, many of them aren’t even capable (or rather, willing) to take seriously the case for traditional marriage, even to reasonably disagree with it. Again, I urge you to read Daniel McCarthy’s essay, which draws heavily on the 1940s historical sociology of Carle C. Zimmerman. The push for same-sex marriage didn’t come from nowhere.

People like Rod and Maggie Gallagher have very different views on what constitutes religious freedom then what I was taught in school in my civics classes, it seems. He is utterly impenetrable on the subect beyond declaring that gay marriage is threat to his religious freedom. I still cannot figure out what the hell he even means, byond the occasional anecdote of some some priest getting hauled before a civil court in Europe. He seems to remain blissfully unaware that there is something called a 1st Amendment in this country.

68 Targetpractice  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:29:27pm

Well, this came as a bit of a shock to me, didn't know the local paper was embroiled in a "national controversy":

Virginian-Pilot: Pilot stands by handling of attack on staff members

Apparently Fox News "broke the story" a few days ago, and O'Reilly ran a segment last night, about a couple of VP reporters getting attacked by a mob in downtown Norfolk. They got wind of it from a editorial columnist at the Pilot, who's belching fire and brimstone over the paper not making the attack frontpage news the next day after it happened.

The accusation is that, because the reporters were white and the mob described as black, it was a "hate crime" and the liberals running the paper are running a cover-up to avoid acknowledging that "black-on-white" crime happens in the wake of the Trayvon controversy.

69 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:31:34pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

Well, this came as a bit of a shock to me, didn't know the local paper was embroiled in a "national controversy":

Virginian-Pilot: Pilot stands by handling of attack on staff members

Apparently Fox News "broke the story" a few days ago, and O'Reilly ran a segment last night, about a couple of VP reporters getting attacked by a mob in downtown Norfolk. They got wind of it from a editorial columnist at the Pilot, who's belching fire and brimstone over the paper not making the attack frontpage news the next day after it happened.

The accusation is that, because the reporters were white and the mob described as black, it was a "hate crime" and the liberals running the paper are running a cover-up to avoid acknowledging that "black-on-white" crime happens in the wake of the Trayvon controversy.

Screwed up. Typical Fox trying to stir racial tensions up though.

70 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:34:21pm

re: #67 celticdragon

Theo conservatives like Rod Dreher start going into bizarre BS like this when you try to engage them on the subject>>>

People like Rod and Maggie Gallagher have very different views on what constitutes religious freedom then what I was taught in school in my civics classes, it seems. He is utterly impenetrable on the subect beyond declaring that gay marriage is threat to his religious freedom. I still cannot figure out what the hell he even means, byond the occasional anecdote of some some priest getting hauled before a civil court in Europe. He seems to remain blissfully unaware that there is something called a 1st Amendment in this country.

"The push for same-sex marriage didn’t come from nowhere."

Gee, ya think? I thought we all woke up one day and suddenly out of blue you had fags that wanted to get married rather than get arrested, n***ers that wanted to get equal treatment, girls that were all uppity, trannies that wanted to get called he and she when their birth record clearly shows they were she and he, cripples that wanted to be treated like they were humans, etc. and apologies to all the assholes I didn't mention. It was out of the blue and it was terrifying.
/

71 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:35:05pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Bain's getting married?

Bain is a Black Widow. Marries another corporation and then kills it for the inheritance and insurance.
/

72 Bulworth  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:35:42pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

And then they cry that Obama takes the issue to campuses. There;s a reason why younger voters distrust Republicans and that stunt is why.

Obama is "spiking the ball" over student loans!


Obama is spiking the ball over this latest terrorist plot thwarted!


Obama is spiking the ball over the recovery of the U.S. auto industry!


Obama is spiking the ball over the killing of OBL!

73 dragonath  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:37:58pm

re: #65 Be Zorch, Daddio

Eep... Correction. it's actually "New Progressive Party" which is formally aligned with the Republican party. However, it takes a special kind of winger mentality to strip hate crime protections for LGBT people, which has been winding it's way through the NPP legislature .


Gov. Fortuno is another evangelical who turns a blind eye to discrimination, and he's a Romney supporter too.

74 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:38:50pm

re: #70 Simply Sarah

"The push for same-sex marriage didn’t come from nowhere."

Gee, ya think? I thought we all woke up one day and suddenly out of blue you had fags that wanted to get married rather than get arrested, n***ers that wanted to get equal treatment, girls that were all uppity, trannies that wanted to get called he and she when their birth record clearly shows they were she and he, cripples that wanted to be treated like they were humans, etc. and apologies to all the assholes I didn't mention. It was out of the blue and it was terrifying.
/

It's like the idea of equality scares him that much. That's why you see all the bullshiting about gay marriage having a "negative" impact on society. I find it laughable when Newt Gingrich, twice divorced is bemoaning the state of marriage in this country.

75 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:40:20pm

re: #9 Obdicut

As a mormon Mitt also donated to the fight for prop 8. See Prop 8: The Mormon proposition.

76 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 8, 2012 12:43:29pm

re: #70 Simply Sarah

"The push for same-sex marriage didn’t come from nowhere."

Gee, ya think? I thought we all woke up one day and suddenly out of blue you had fags that wanted to get married rather than get arrested, n***ers that wanted to get equal treatment, girls that were all uppity, trannies that wanted to get called he and she when their birth record clearly shows they were she and he, cripples that wanted to be treated like they were humans, etc. and apologies to all the assholes I didn't mention. It was out of the blue and it was terrifying.
/

Well,it is kinda hard to see what is happening around you through all that sand they have their heads planted in.

77 Patricia Kayden  Tue, May 8, 2012 2:09:57pm

This poll shows that Obama has nothing to lose by endorsing marriage equality. He's not going to get the conservative Repub vote anyways, but will show that he can lead on this issue with Dems and Independents.

78 Ming  Tue, May 8, 2012 10:10:21pm

I hope Obama clarifies his own position on gay marriage soon. If he doesn't, we'll have something that seems to defy the laws of physics: on this one issue, same-sex marriage, Mitt Romney will have a clear, open, and honest position (he's against it), and Barack Obama will have a wishy-washy position. It would be a shame if Romney were thus able to position himself as a person of integrity.

I trust that Barack Obama has reflected considerably on the question of same-sex marriage, and I'm sure he has many worthwhile things to say on the subject. The entire country is moving towards acceptance of same-sex marriage. If Obama feels that it's OK for individual states to grant same-sex marriage rights, he should say so.

79 im_gumby_damnit  Wed, May 9, 2012 8:55:57am

I wish our President would have spoken out against the NC amendment before the vote. It wouldn't have changed the outcome, but the timing would have been important and he would have shown real leadership and courage on the issue. If he supports gay marriage, and I think he does, he should say so and polls be damned.

80 Obdicut  Thu, May 10, 2012 3:33:03am

re: #79 im_gumby_damnit

I wish our President would have spoken out against the NC amendment before the vote.

He did.


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