Another Horrifying Deluge of Anti-Gay Hatred and Open Racism at Fox News

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This Fox News comment thread is headed for some kind of record. It’s the ultimate firehose of hatred, now approaching 7,000 comments overflowing with homophobia and outright racism: Obama Backs Gay Marriage, Answering Speculation on ‘Evolving’ Position | Fox News.

WARNING: extreme hate speech. The comments are pouring in too fast to keep up; this is just a tiny selection from the deluge. Here you see the Fox News audience, responding to years of programming.

I’m surprised he didn’t go one step further in approving of inter-species marriage, seeing as how he’s married to a baboon, or is she a really tall chimpanze? Anyway, if it’s cool in kenya, why not here???

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Obama thinks everyone should get screw’d up the a$$, no matter what gender they are.

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NiggyThe Panderer’s failure of the day!!! Keep failing NigBama!!!

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LOL! 0bama’s ol’ lady has a face ugly enough to stamp out gorilla cookies, a sham marriage, sham birth certificate and a deceased gayloverOFcourse he is in favor. Maybe now 0bama can do the first honest thing in his life and marry another dude…that’s what 0bama REALLY wants.

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Homosexuality and lesbianism are personal sin issues trying to pass themselves off as ‘rights’.

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THIS IS A GREAT DAY FOR ALL GOOD AMERICANS!!! THE END OF AN ERROR IS UPON US!!! HE ALREADY HAD THE VOTE OF EVERY DEVIANT WHO SUPPORTS GAY MARRIAGE, SO HE GAINED ZERO BY THIS POLITICALLY FOOLISH MOVE…BUT HE JUST LOST THE CRITICAL 2-3% IN THE MIDDLE< GURANTEEING HE GETS DEFEATED IN NOVEMBER!!! “HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN”

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Democratic code for “I gots your backside Polesuckers”
“FOREWORD into OBAMA 2012!”

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Obama is living proof that repeatedly beating your head on a prayer rug will cause brain damage!

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Let’s see now…30 states already have laws against s0d0mites getting married. So Oblamya comes out in support of it. Figures.
Nice move Barry. This flip-flop will cost you more than a few votes. I don’t think any of the pole_smokin’ nancys were gonna vote Republican anyway.

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Another issue he is on the Wrong side of…
I’m glad he Came Out… Now America knows What kind of Deviant Behavior he Supports!!!

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LOL! What surprise. Everything this anti American COMMUNIST does and everything out of his MOUTH is the exact OPPOSITE of common decency and morality. Everything he does is the OPPOSITE of common sense and reason!

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What a complete and utter DISASTER and DIGRACE this man is to this nation! Family is the FOUNDATION of success this nation was BUILT ON! And this DISGRACE wants to TEAR IT DOWN and make a mockery of the American Family!

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Children are supposed to be raised by a man and a woman. Letting sick people who practice homosexuality, raise children is hurting not only our society, but it’s hurting these children, and that has to stop.

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FACT: homoFAGGOTS molesting has been on the rise since middle of 2009.
is this a coincidence?

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obama…now that you come out for gay marriage, would you mind getting the phuckback to work and start worrying about unemployment, our $13 trillion dollar debt, holder’s war on the citizenry, and solving our domestic energy problems…in other words, “don’t be a DICK”

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Can anyone say election year!!! The only way this COWARD can get back in is if he get the Pole Smokers and Carpet Munchers and Illegals to vote for him!! Then as soon as he gets re elected every thing will change!! This man is a liar and a coward we need him gone.

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So at the wedding ceremony do the faggots_exchange cock_rings?

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My guess is this clears the deck for Lakqisha and LaShasa to bring home their white girlfriends…JMO

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Obama better come out and support fathers marrying their adult daughters. Equal is Equal right?

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Unwittingly (does he ever do it any other way?), Soetero can now pander to the NASCAR people…
“Hey, y’all, I’m the pole-sitter in this race!”

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When Obama sits down to issue executive orders he does not think he is violating the Constitution, rather he says to himself, “I’m sodomizin dis bit ch!”

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I sure am glad that my grand mother is not alive to see this.
The first blk president of the US, stopping at nothing to be reelected.
next week he will have Mrs. Obama walking the streets of DC selling her assets for a vote. you have to wonder where it will end.

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There will be much celebration among_faggots around the world. Emergency rooms worldwide are preparing for the associated spike in anaI prolapses that will surely follow.

(h/t: Dragonfire.)

UPDATE at 5/9/12 2:50:28 pm

And just like that, Fox News makes all 9,000+ hateful, deranged comments disappear. They’re all gone now.

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310 comments
1 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, May 9, 2012 1:58:56pm

Only 7,000? They are just warming up.

2 Kaessa  Wed, May 9, 2012 1:59:30pm

They're going to explode!

3 EdDantes  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:01:30pm

Perhaps news websites should not allow comments.

4 PhillyPretzel  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:01:33pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

I agree. Just wait until the floodgates open. Oy vey will it be something to behold. //

5 Bulworth  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:02:12pm

The combination of Sharia and teh gay is just driving these poor folks around the bend. That and Hands Off My Healthcare! Death Panels! //

6 Mattand  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:02:40pm

Man, Charles, your hands must be numb from planting all of those comments. You need to write some sort of EZ Hate automatic script.

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:02:56pm

re: #3 EdDantes

Perhaps news websites should not allow comments.

I think you're kind of missing the point, though. This is no accident. It's the Fox News business model.

8 The Left  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:03:56pm

THE WINGULARITY HAS BEEN BREACHED!

Youtube Video

DUCK AND COVER!
9 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:04:28pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I think you're kind of missing the point, though. This is no accident. It's the Fox News business model.

Sooner or latter, it's going to bite them in the ass. This or phone hacking.

10 nines09  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:04:29pm

It's an open cesspool. Fox executives must be so proud to give birth to so much blind hatred. Very proud.

11 Targetpractice  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:04:44pm

The question that we're all wondering: Where does Killgore find the time to run so many sock accounts?

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12 Mattand  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:06:47pm

re: #3 EdDantes

Perhaps news websites should not allow comments.

Check out the comment section on any philly.com article when you get the chance. It's not Fox News level, but it ain't for lack of trying.

13 mikec6666  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:07:35pm

I never read the comments on any site except this one, and maybe some on Buzzfeed. Otherwise I quickly lose all hope for humanity.

14 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:08:50pm

Steam is shooting out of the religious right's spokesholes...

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

15 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:09:56pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

Only 7,000? They are just warming up.

re: #2 Kaessa

They're going to explode!

I'll be more worried once they're OVER 9000!!!

/Goku has nothing on RWNJs

16 EdDantes  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:12:03pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

If a news organization allows comments that can be used to put them in a bad light, they should not allow comments. Un-vetted persons are not allowed on the air and when those in the employ of the networks transgress network standards, they can be fired.

17 Targetpractice  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:12:15pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Steam is shooting out of the religious right's spokesholes...

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

Not mentioned: None of them were in any danger of supporting his reelection to begin with and all likely would, if given a chance, chuck Romney over the gunwale for their theocrat of choice in a New York minute.

18 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:14:52pm

Sorry to say that upon Obama's re-election there are going to be isolated incidents of treasonous violence scattered all over this country. Sure most of them just talk a big game from behind a keyboard, but there is no doubt based upon their comments that some of them are actually crazy and "worked-up" enough to carry through on some of their threats.

The real problem and pity is that the poor schleps who will be the targets of this insensible and irrational hatred have absolutely nothing to do with making Federal policy. They will just be local police officers, security firm employees, and civil service workers trying to earn a living just like everyone else.

Sad that many people in national internet/broadcast media positions keep feeding the fringe's irrational paranoia in the quest for more contributions of the almighty dollar.

19 Kragar  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:15:59pm

Colorado Governor Calls Special Session For Civil Unions Consideration

Last night, the Republican leadership in the Colorado House sacrificed more than 30 bills to stonewall civil unions from coming up for a vote. Today, Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) announced he would call the legislature back for a special session starting this Friday to address the unfinished business, including the civil unions bill. In his remarks, Hickenlooper said that sexual orientation is not a choice, “everyone deserves the same legal rights in this country,” and that “this is a circumstance where we’re depriving people of civil rights for no reason.” Though he admitted he can’t force the bill’s passage, he said that “we’re going to continue to push for an open discussion” in hopes that it allows people to begin to “moderate their positions.” The special session could begin as soon as Friday and last for several days, and the governor made it clear that it would be paid for out of escrow, not taxpayer funds.

20 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:16:31pm

re: #16 EdDantes

If a news organization allows comments that can be used to put them in a bad light, they should not allow comments. Un-vetted persons are not allowed on the air and when those in the employ of the networks transgress network standards, they can be fired.

I agree, but I don't believe Fox News is operating with that kind of ethical standard.

21 allegro  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:17:32pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I agree, but I don't believe Fox News is operating with that kind of ethical standard.

Wow. You used "Fox news" and "ethical standards" in the same sentence. That takes skill.

22 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:17:49pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I'm wondering why the President came out with his announcement now, especially given that over-all only 50% of Americans agree with him.

One possibility is that it is hoped that the kind of hyperbolic reaction, like that to which you linked, will force more self-identified independents and somnial Republicans to realize how tight the GOP really is with fundamentalists, and thus causing a shift in sympathies toward him and the Democratic Party.

It seems to me like quite the gamble.

23 Talking Point Detective  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:18:29pm

re: #12 mattand

Check out the comment section on any philly.com article when you get the chance. It's not Fox News level, but it ain't for lack of trying.

Philly.com goes about as far as conceivable given that it is fairly heavily moderated.

24 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:20:02pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I agree, but I don't believe Fox News is operating with that kind of ethical standard.

I agree, but Fox News is operating without any kind of even remotely ethical standard...

FTFY... ;)

25 Talking Point Detective  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:20:03pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I agree, but I don't believe Fox News is operating with that kind of ethical standard.

I think they've made it plainly obvious that they aren't. They have a very explicit business model that is based on exploiting extremism. How could anyone argue otherwise?

26 Talking Point Detective  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:20:57pm

re: #22 freetoken

I'm wondering why the President came out with his announcement now, especially given that over-all only 50% of Americans agree with him.

One possibility is that it is hoped that the kind of hyperbolic reaction, like that to which you linked, will force more self-identified independents and somnial Republicans to realize how tight the GOP really is with fundamentalists, and thus causing a shift in sympathies toward him and the Democratic Party.

It seems to me like quite the gamble.

The recent polls show fairly strong support among independents - who have always been a primary target of Obama's policy formation.

27 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:21:55pm

re: #26 Talking Point Detective

IIRC, the last polls numbers showed 57% of the self-identified Independents as supporting gay marriage. That's not a big margin.

28 Talking Point Detective  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:24:37pm

re: #27 freetoken

IIRC, the last polls numbers showed 57% of the self-identified Independents as supporting gay marriage. That's not a big margin.

No - but it's a marginal gain with a very important constituency. It's not like he'll lose anyone who would be voting for him otherwise. Nothing to lose and a tiny bit to gain. There must be some kind of relevant "grains of sand build mountains" metaphor.

29 allegro  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:27:42pm

re: #22 freetoken

I'm wondering why the President came out with his announcement now, especially given that over-all only 50% of Americans agree with him.

One possibility is that it is hoped that the kind of hyperbolic reaction, like that to which you linked, will force more self-identified independents and somnial Republicans to realize how tight the GOP really is with fundamentalists, and thus causing a shift in sympathies toward him and the Democratic Party.

It seems to me like quite the gamble.

It could be because it's the Right Thing to Do. Why now? Maybe he's ready now to fight that battle. He did health care as far as it would go for the moment, he got rid of DADT, we're out of Iraq, he's announced getting out of Afghanistan, Bin Laden is dead along with many of the other bad guys...

30 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:29:31pm

re: #28 Talking Point Detective

Evangelical pastor tells Obama he's disappointed

The evangelical pastor who President Barack Obama calls his spiritual adviser says he's disappointed in the president's decision to endorse same-sex marriage.

The Rev. Joel Hunter of Florida told The Associated Press that Obama called him before ABC News broadcast the announcement Wednesday.

Hunter says he told the president he disagreed with his interpretation of what the Bible says about marriage. Hunter says the president reassured him he would protect the religious freedom of churches who oppose gay marriage.

Hunter says the announcement makes it harder for him to support Obama, but he will continue to do so.

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I suspect that the President will lose some support here and there.

31 wrenchwench  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:29:53pm
32 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:31:33pm

Meanwhile, for comparison, from Yahoo:

The impostor supports legal sodomy. How can any sane person vote for this fraud?

Obama is a closet gay just like his muslim brothers

New Obama banner ad " No Gay Left Behind".

JAN, 2013, Good by Obama, Its back to the GETTOS where you belong!
Take Biden and the other trash in your adminstration with you!

All Mitt has to do now is walk around with human feces to keep reminding people where Obama stands on this issue. Visual aids are always effective.

Of corse he would Anti-Christ is his middle name.No vote from me!!!!!

I thought Muslims condemned Homosexuality?

Albert DOrazio is a f*gg-ot. he just said so. look what you did obama, you lost thousands of votes just to please this f$gg-ot. good, maybe the world wont end on december 21. impeach this idiot, before he takes away all of our rights and turns us into Europe.

33 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:31:43pm

re: #22 freetoken

I'm wondering why the President came out with his announcement now, especially given that over-all only 50% of Americans agree with him.

One possibility is that it is hoped that the kind of hyperbolic reaction, like that to which you linked, will force more self-identified independents and somnial Republicans to realize how tight the GOP really is with fundamentalists, and thus causing a shift in sympathies toward him and the Democratic Party.

It seems to me like quite the gamble.

Obama is already doomed with the anti-gay crowd anyway for not supporting DOMA strongly enough and ending DADT. The people that this pisses off would almost universally never have voted for him anyway. Meanwhile the far left moonbats, libertarians, and anarchists can no longer whine so loudly about Obama's lack of support for gay rights and suggest that people should support luap nor instead.

34 Bulworth  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:32:02pm

Have we reached peak wingnut?

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:32:56pm

re: #34 Bulworth

Have we reached peak wingnut?

No, I'm fairly sure that peak wingnut will be reached after Obama wins his second term.

36 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:33:20pm

I'm reminded of the quote from the West Wing.

"If they're going to label you a family-hating progressive communist no matter what you do, you might as well go ahead and make some progressive moves"

[paraphrased]

37 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:34:45pm

re: #34 Bulworth

Have we reached peak wingnut?

You mock, but I think "peak wingnut" is a scary concept when you consider how well-armed and off the reservation some of these folks are.

38 Robert O.  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:36:42pm

One of the biggest ironies I have noted is that anti-gay bigots think of gay sex far more graphically and far more often than any actual gay people I know.

39 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:37:04pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

No, I'm fairly sure that peak wingnut will be reached after Obama wins his second term.

Yeah, not long after I am sure, probably around December 21.

40 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:37:29pm

The DOW went down! It's because Obama supports gay marriage!

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41 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:37:44pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't know which Yahoo entry to which you are referring, but I find that the Yahoo news service re-distribution to have so many comments that it is difficult to know where to begin.

In the ABC Yahoo news stream, this headline story:

[Link: gma.yahoo.com...]

has almost 18,000 comments.

Generally speaking, Yahoo does filter content and delete entries.

It really is no different compared with Fox News site.

42 Talking Point Detective  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:39:23pm

re: #30 freetoken

Evangelical pastor tells Obama he's disappointed

I suspect that the President will lose some support here and there.

Again - I find it hard to believe that anyone who was intending to vote for him would be dissuaded by his stance on gay marriage. Is it possible that some independent might say..."Well, I was thinking of voting for him, but his gay marriage statement was decisive for me changing my vote?" But I think it's really, really unlikely.

On the other hand, he's boxing the Republicans further into a rhetorical corner that does not have general support among indies. That is a marginal gain with an important constituency.

43 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:40:27pm

.re: #37 EastSider

You mock, but I think "peak wingnut" is a scary concept when you consider how well-armed and off the reservation some of these folks are.

Not trying to overly PC here, but you might want to rethink using that term in the future. It does have some negative connotations to it along the same vein as Tar baby.

* Edited to remove a link that I had meant to post.

44 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:41:24pm

Well haters do pay the price for their attitude. That's an awful way to live, hating and despising and angry at imaginary threats. Those are the least livable skulls around.

Time wounds all heels.

45 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:41:59pm

re: #42 Talking Point Detective

It's some Democrats he'll lose. They just won't vote.

And yes, some "independents" too.

That Yahoo story I linked has many comments, many anti-Obama comments, and that is expected. Do all those who claim that they will now not vote for Obama write the truth? No, but some fraction of them do.

46 Robert O.  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:42:02pm

It is likely that four states (MD, ME, MN and NJ) will be holding referendums shortly. In at least three of these, there is fairly good chance the public will side with marriage equality. The NC vote was a foregone conclusion, the President would never have swayed 11% (half of 22%) of the votes to flip. I note that other than fundamentalist Christians and the elderly, the demographic currently most hostile to marriage equality are African Americans. Since the President still has a lot of influence with this group, and there are lots of African Americans in MD and NJ, making them more pro-equality could be crucial if the vote is close.

47 AK-47%  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:43:14pm

re: #38 Robert O.

One of the biggest ironies I have noted is that anti-gay bigots think of gay sex far more graphically and far more often than any actual gay people I know.

I really enjoyed a cartoon entitled "The Gay Agenda".

It showed two guys sitting at a table, and the text read:
"8:00 work. 12:00 lunch. 1:00 more work. 6:00 dinner. 8:00 a movie maybe? 11:00 reading, then sleep..."

Which is about as much of a gay agenda as I have encountered among gay couples I know.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:43:42pm

re: #38 Robert O.

One of the biggest ironies I have noted is that anti-gay bigots think of gay sex far more graphically and far more often than any actual gay people I know.

It's noticeable, isn't it?

There's also the part where they graphically explain to me just how sodomy works, and then wait for me to freak out. They go ballistic when they get a calm response to that.

49 Kragar  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:43:59pm

Romney: ‘I Know Other People Have Differing Views’

50 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:44:29pm

re: #22 freetoken

I'm wondering why the President came out with his announcement now, especially given that over-all only 50% of Americans agree with him.

One possibility is that it is hoped that the kind of hyperbolic reaction, like that to which you linked, will force more self-identified independents and somnial Republicans to realize how tight the GOP really is with fundamentalists, and thus causing a shift in sympathies toward him and the Democratic Party.

It seems to me like quite the gamble.

Perhaps genuine outrage at the law? Maybe that was what changed his mind, as the status quo took a big turn for the worse.

51 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:45:19pm

re: #42 Talking Point Detective

Again - I find it hard to believe that anyone who was intending to vote for him would be dissuaded by his stance on gay marriage..

African Americans come to mind. Generally they are strongly against gay marriage. They're certainly not going to flip for Romney, but they might stay home.

Secondly, this could energize the republican base. Although it would be hard to argue that this was the "last straw" for any denizen of wingnuttia. I saw a quote from PPP that the majority of folks who opposed gay marriage had previously assumed (incorrectly) that Obama supported it.

Thirdly, This will energize Obama's base. He's been getting sniped from the left a bunch lately, and this improves his bona fides.

Overall, I think we're looking at an electoral wash. Though this should put some $ in Obama's campaign in the next 24 hours.


Oh, and there is the bit about being on the right side of history. He didn't use his typical, lofty and presidential rhetoric today (showed it as a personal decision). I imagine that that language will come in a full speech on the topic eventually (before or after the election, I'm not sure). But at some point you can bet that an Obama quote on SSM is going to be carved into a rock and placed in a prominent position in this country. And good on him for it.

52 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:45:58pm

re: #43 Bubblehead II

Humor Break.

Pound of cocaine found in 82-year-old woman's car

This is why you should always take a newly purchased used car in for a "free bust" by the local P.D.

Not trying to overly PC here, but you might want to rethink using that term in the future. It does have some negative connotations to it along the same vein as Tar baby

fair point. I will avoid it in the future, thanks. I don't know any Native Americans myself, but that's no excuse. Thanks for the comment.

53 EdDantes  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:46:09pm

re: #40 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

The DOW went down! It's because Obama supports gay marriage!

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( I recognize the sarc :) As a very young man back in the last century, I figured out that the traders are a bunch of scared rabbits. They poop little pellets when the even the most inconsequential, benign, baby shit news presents itself. I don't look at the DOW (short term) as anything but a bunch of depends -wearing traders feeding on transient fear or euphoria that has nothing to do with health of our economy. I fart in their general direction.
That's all I gotta say about that.

54 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:46:49pm

re: #50 Daniel Ballard

Perhaps genuine outrage at the law? Maybe that was what changed his mind, as the status quo took a big turn for the worse.

No, I doubt that is it. Obama has a record of making statements about this issue, and his beliefs on the topic. And, note that he called Joel Hunter ahead of time.

Obama didn't appear outraged.

I wonder if this LA Times take has any merit?

Obama's turnabout on gay marriage: Evolution or intelligent design?

55 Talking Point Detective  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:47:19pm

re: #45 freetoken

It's some Democrats he'll lose. They just won't vote.

And yes, some "independents" too.

That Yahoo story I linked has many comments, many anti-Obama comments, and that is expected. Do all those who claim that they will now not vote for Obama write the truth? No, but some fraction of them do.

No way to know for sure. I'm just not feelin' it. I think that the number of votes lost among Democrats (or independents) from this would be absolutely miniscule. I just think that there are very, very few people who would be turned away from religious or moral objection to gay marriage that would consider voting for Obama in the first place. Some might not like it - but to change their vote based on that issue?

But even if it weren't true that hardly anyone would choose not to vote for Obama because of this, again, I think it's pretty obvious that there's a marginal gain with independents, and that is a target constituency for him. Always has been - much to my chagrin, actually.

56 Targetpractice  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:47:59pm

re: #49 Kragar

Romney: ‘I Know Other People Have Differing Views’

"Yes it's true. *pause* This man has no dick."

57 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:49:07pm

Wow.

9,000+ comments in a couple of hours on this Fox News article -- now all gone.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

58 brennant  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:49:20pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

"Yes it's true. *pause* This man has no dick."

Well, that's what I heard!

59 PhillyPretzel  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:50:12pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Hmm. I think they may be covering up something. //

60 EdDantes  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:50:16pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

re: #56 Targetpractice

Must we invoke Ghostbusters?

61 brennant  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:50:33pm

re: #60 EdDantes

re: #56 Targetpractice

Must we invoke Ghostbusters?

Yes. Yes we must.

Don't cross the streams.

62 wrenchwench  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:51:12pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Wow.

9,000+ comments in a couple of hours on this Fox News article -- now all gone.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Won't that clog the intertubes?

63 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:51:13pm

re: #50 Daniel Ballard

Perhaps genuine outrage at the law? Maybe that was what changed his mind, as the status quo took a big turn for the worse.

re: timing.

First off, I think this was planned. I said in a previous thread that it was plausible for Biden to let slip a statement. However when he and another White House official make a statement, then that's a sign that this was coordinated.

For why they chose now? NC just voted. If Obama had done this at any point in the past 6 months, it has two major negative impacts: it unites the republicans in the primary against him on a social issue, and it sets up NC as a referendum on Obama's position (which he knew would be a loss).

Now he's "reacting" to NC, proves himself to the left, gets some $ in his coffers, and can debate (and win) on the issue against Romney in the primaries. If the thing was going to be done no matter what, the timing is about as ripe as it gets politically.

64 EdDantes  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:51:49pm

re: #61 brennant

He slimed me.

65 Targetpractice  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:51:56pm

re: #60 EdDantes

re: #56 Targetpractice

Must we invoke Ghostbusters?

"Back off, man. I'm a scientist!"

66 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:52:51pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Wow.

9,000+ comments in a couple of hours on this Fox News article -- now all gone.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Flushed to toilet and closed the lid I see.

67 brennant  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:52:59pm

re: #64 EdDantes

He slimed me.

My uncle thought he was St. Jerome.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:53:38pm

re: #51 EastSider

African Americans come to mind. Generally they are strongly against gay marriage. They're certainly not going to flip for Romney, but they might stay home.

This is a population that's continued to vote for Democrats in the 90%s, despite a consistent rise in Democratic politician's support for LGBT rights and the GOP's relentless positioning of themselves as the 'family values' party.

And the first black president in U.S. history is the Democratic incumbent.

I'll be surprised as hell if this loses him an even slightly significant percentage of the black vote. My impression, and I could be wrong, is that the black voter may vote against same-sex marriage if asked on a ballot what she thinks, but she doesn't make it a litmus test for politicians.

69 EdDantes  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:54:39pm

re: #67 brennant

Is your Uncle Joe Biden?
/ducks

70 ArchangelMichael  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:55:36pm

9000 hateful comments.

Symmetrical kook stack. Like the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947.

Yes Ray, no human being could make comments like those.

71 Sionainn  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:55:48pm

re: #49 Kragar

Romney: ‘I Know Other People Have Differing Views’

Same ol', same ol' from Mr. Wishy Washy.

72 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:56:16pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

This is a population that's continued to vote for Democrats in the 90%s, despite a consistent rise in Democratic politician's support for LGBT rights and the GOP's relentless positioning of themselves as the 'family values' party.

And the first black president in U.S. history is the Democratic incumbent.

I'll be surprised as hell if this loses him an even slightly significant percentage of the black vote. My impression, and I could be wrong, is that the black voter may vote against same-sex marriage if asked on a ballot what they think, but she doesn't make it a litmus test for politicians.

I agree with your hypothesis. And I can almost guarantee that we'll see polling on this within the next 48 hours.

Q: How does Barack Obama's support of SSM affect your willingness to vote for him?

A: Less Likely
B: More Likely
C: Does not change

cross tabs on independents, African Americans, and in swing states. My prediction: ~20% in the less likely bucket, though further questions reveal that those folks weren't voting for him anyway.

73 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:56:28pm

re: #49 Kragar

Romney: ‘I Know Other People Have Differing Views’

Is he running for President of the US or the Neutral Planet?

74 brennant  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:57:13pm

re: #69 EdDantes

Image: 3401898489.gif

75 ArchangelMichael  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:57:38pm

re: #73 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Is he running for President of the US or the Neutral Planet?

"All I know is my gut says... maybe."

76 Talking Point Detective  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:57:40pm

re: #51 EastSider

African Americans come to mind. Generally they are strongly against gay marriage. They're certainly not going to flip for Romney, but they might stay home.

I don't see it. That is a nice theoretical argument - in my experience, it doesn't fit with reality, however. African Americans voting Democratic, and for Obama in the past, getting turned into non-supporters on this issue? Not feelin' it.

Secondly, this could energize the republican base. Although it would be hard to argue that this was the "last straw" for any denizen of wingnuttia. I saw a quote from PPP that the majority of folks who opposed gay marriage had previously assumed (incorrectly) that Obama supported it.

You see this issue substantially energizing an element of the base that wasn't already energized? I don't see how that would work. Anyone who would be energized on this issue would likely already be energized on abortion, racial issues, welfare, small government, the "war on Christmas," etc.

Thirdly, This will energize Obama's base. He's been getting sniped from the left a bunch lately, and this improves his bona fides.

I think that is a plausible outcome.

Overall, I think we're looking at an electoral wash. Though this should put some $ in Obama's campaign in the next 24 hours.

There I basically agree. But again, it may provide a marginal gain with independents: a very important target constituency for him, historically.

77 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:57:43pm

re: #52 EastSider

Thanks. The Native Americans in this area don't look kindly on that type of remark. I suspect those in the central U.S. don't either.

78 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:58:30pm

re: #73 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Is he running for President of the US or the Neutral Planet?

He's eventually going to have to take a side on an issue.

Exhibit A: Here's Obama taking a side on an issue.
Exhibit B: Here's Romney dithering about trying not to piss people off.

79 PhillyPretzel  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:58:32pm

re: #73 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I agree. And how is the feline overlord doing?

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:59:14pm

Well, this will cheer my father up. He was moping over North Carolina.

81 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 2:59:49pm

re: #76 Talking Point Detective

I think you and SFZ are right on the African American vote. Good points.

82 Targetpractice  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:00:46pm

re: #78 EastSider

He's eventually going to have to take a side on an issue.

Exhibit A: Here's Obama taking a side on an issue.
Exhibit B: Here's Romney dithering about trying not to piss people off.

It's more like

Exhibit B1: Romney getting caught flat-footed, mumbling middling comment that pleases nobody.
Exhibit B2: Romney trying to look "decisive" the very next day after he gets run through the wringer by the far-right for not dancing to their tune.

83 EdDantes  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:01:24pm

Good day everyone. I must comb my Yak. Later.

84 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:01:50pm

re: #79 PhillyPretzel

I agree. And how is the feline overlord doing?

Almost off the steroid eye-drops. Still on the antibiotic ones for a few days. Goes in for a check-up Friday morning. Will (hopefully) reduce his blood pressure pill dosage back down then as well. The pupil he was bleeding into seems to be slowly clearing. I can see a bit more blue than I could yesterday. Whether he has sight in that eye is still unclear to me - I'll ask the vet on Friday.

Beyond all that he's eating well and sleeping a lot. Just like normal.

85 PhillyPretzel  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:03:16pm

re: #84 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That is good.

86 Robert O.  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:03:17pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

No doubt, they couldn't keep up with deleting offensive comments at the rate they were generated.

On the other hand, I have noticed that gay marriage and gay rights is one topic where there is a sizable crowd pushing back at Fox News. This is not your typical "Obama is a socialist/communist" matter. There are genuinely libertarians who don't really like the ultra-religious bigots, and unlike economic conservatives such as Romney, they do push back. Of course, there are also liberals and moderates scattered here and there just to annoy the religious Teabaggers.

87 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:04:17pm

These are some bitter people. My favorites are the ones who think the nation is doomed because of this. Grow a pair fuckheads.

88 Sionainn  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:05:23pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Wow.

9,000+ comments in a couple of hours on this Fox News article -- now all gone.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

No worries. They can just go to Fox Nation and post their crap over there.

89 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:06:46pm

What's most clear so far:

Obama is steering the bus on this campaign, and Romney is having a tough time keeping up.

I suppose this was to be expected after it took Mitt 7 months and $100M to finish up a Republican primary among the weakest field in recent memory. The last two Republican campaigns have got to scare those on the right who are looking for an effective political organization come election season.

90 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:09:45pm

Bbiaw. Meat world things to take of.

91 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:12:35pm

re: #89 EastSider

What's most clear so far:

Obama is steering the bus on this campaign, and Romney is having a tough time keeping up.

I suppose this was to be expected after it took Mitt 7 months and $100M to finish up a Republican primary among the weakest field in recent memory. The last two Republican campaigns have got to scare those on the right who are looking for an effective political organization come election season.

The Republicans are either going to adapt to the new reality of a more socially moderate to liberal America or they're going to be screwed. They need someone like Eisenhower who is almost universally respected despite being more moderate. I don't see anyone like that in the party right now. The problem is the activists and rank and file think they're losing because they're not conservative enough. This clearly isn't the case.

92 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:17:19pm

Try this bit of wingnut logic on the President's announcment, from a Freeper of course:

To: Olog-hai

Taqiya...

He can’t further the cause of Islam if he can’t get elected.
And he can’t get elected without his homosexual donors.

Much like taking snapshots of a hammer in it’s backstroke,
one would never understand how the nail is getting deeper into the board.


3 posted on Wed May 09 2012 14:05:37 GMT-0700 (PDT) by MrB

It's all so clear now.

93 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:19:00pm

re: #92 freetoken

Try this bit of wingnut logic on the President's announcment, from a Freeper of course:

It's all so clear now.

I see. So gay marriage is the quickest route to the eventual Caliphate.

Makes sense.

//

94 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:19:41pm

re: #92 freetoken

Try this bit of wingnut logic on the President's announcment, from a Freeper of course:

It's all so clear now.

So, he's advanced the cause of homosexual Islam! Seriously the ferepers are fucking stupid as hell with this crap. Hey idiots if he were this devout Muslim you claim he is, he'd be more closer to your view on homosexuality than not. But I know, let's lump everything bad in the same boat because we're simplistic idiots who can't comprehend the idea of nuance.

95 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:20:00pm

re: #93 Gus

I see. So gay marriage is the quickest route to the eventual Caliphate.

Makes sense.

//

Sharia Showtunes law!

96 Kragar  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:20:20pm

First you get the homosexual marriage, then you get the sharia law. Thats how it works.

97 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:21:04pm

The unholy alliance of gays, socialists, and Jihadis. Obama, you magnificent bastard.

98 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:21:35pm

re: #93 Gus

Yes, not only is Obama using his atheism to promote Islam in America, apparently now the gateway to the Islamification of America is gay marriage.

This is all so clear.

99 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:21:41pm

Step 1. Come out for gay marriage
Step 2. ???
Step 3. CREEPING SHARIA!!!!!

100 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:22:25pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Sharia Showtunes law!

There's no business like Sharia business like no business I know
Everything about it is appealing, everything that traffic will allow
Nowhere could you get that happy feeling when you are stealing that extra bow

There's no people like Sharia people, they smile when they are low
Even with a turkey that you know will fold, you may be stranded out in the cold
Still you wouldn't change it for a sack of gold, let's go on with the Sharia

The butcher, the baker, the grocer, the clerk
Are secretly unhappy men because
The butcher, the baker, the grocer, the clerk
Get paid for what they do but no applause.
They'd gladly bid their dreary jobs goodbye for anything Muslim and why?

There's no business like Sharia business and I tell you it's so
Traveling through the country is so thrilling, standing out in front on opening nights
Smiling as you watch the Mosque a filling, and there's your billing out there in lights...

101 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:22:57pm

re: #100 Gus

There's no business like Sharia business like no business I know
Everything about it is appealing, everything that traffic will allow
Nowhere could you get that happy feeling when you are stealing that extra bow

There's no people like Sharia people, they smile when they are low
Even with a turkey that you know will fold, you may be stranded out in the cold
Still you wouldn't change it for a sack of gold, let's go on with the Sharia

The butcher, the baker, the grocer, the clerk
Are secretly unhappy men because
The butcher, the baker, the grocer, the clerk
Get paid for what they do but no applause.
They'd gladly bid their dreary jobs goodbye for anything Muslim and why?

There's no business like Sharia business and I tell you it's so
Traveling through the country is so thrilling, standing out in front on opening nights
Smiling as you watch the Mosque a filling, and there's your billing out there in lights...

Anything Goes even gay Shariah Law.

102 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:23:12pm

re: #99 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Step 1. Come out for gay marriage
Step 2. ???
Step 3. CREEPING SHARIA!!!

You mock, but asking wingnuts to enunciate step 2 is an effective debate tactic.

103 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:23:59pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Anything Goes even gay Shariah Law.

When do the wingnuts realize that they have more in common with the Taliban than Obama does?

104 Kragar  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:24:18pm

re: #102 EastSider

You mock, but asking wingnuts to enunciate step 2 is an effective debate tactic.

Step 2: Audit the Fed

105 SpikeDad  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:24:40pm

re: #3 EdDantes

It's the same on every news site that allows comments. Although not approaching the disgusting racist level that News Corp sites reach, most local news website seem overflowing with predominantly right wing and Tea Party types leaving their hateful speech.

Anonymity allows these cowards true feels to be published. And don't kid yourself, they've always been there at the same levels. It's only the rise of the Tea Party and Fox News which has allowed previously hidden opinions to become socially "acceptable", at least in their world view.

106 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:32:17pm

Someone mentioned Fox Nation.

Their article on today's announcement was originally: ‘Obama Flip Flops, Declares War On Marriage’
as caught by Mediaite:
[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

FoxNation later dropped the "War" part.

BTW, the comments are still going strong over there, even if the Fox News story was flushed of comments:

[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

107 jaunte  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:32:39pm
108 palomino  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:32:40pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

It's noticeable, isn't it?

There's also the part where they graphically explain to me just how sodomy works, and then wait for me to freak out. They go ballistic when they get a calm response to that.

Why would anyone feel the need to explain to you how sodomy works? Wouldn't they just assume, that since you're an intelligent adult, you already know?

109 jaunte  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:34:38pm
110 brennant  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:35:47pm

re: #109 jaunte

ha!

111 palomino  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:36:43pm

re: #110 brennant

Sounds like Limbaugh singlehandedly has run a more effective campaign against traditional marriage.

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:36:50pm

re: #108 palomino

Why would anyone feel the need to explain to you how sodomy works? Wouldn't they just assume, that since you're an intelligent adult, you already know?

But the ick factor! The ick factor! Maybe if they can describe anal sex in the most graphic, scatalogical, disturbing, lovingly detailed fashion they can, I'll get what's wrong with gay people!

The terrifying thing is, several folks have actually done this to me over the years. Sometimes while I'm eating.

113 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:38:32pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

But the ick factor! The ick factor! Maybe if they can describe anal sex in the most graphic, scatalogical, disturbing, lovingly detailed fashion they can, I'll get what's wrong with gay people!

They should have nominated Santorum, then.

114 Obdicut  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:39:03pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

I generally conversationally reply that I know some gay guys who-- for whatever reason-- prefer just mutual blowjobs, and ask them if they find blowjobs disgusting.

Generally gets them a little red-faced and confused.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:39:08pm

My psychopharmacology teacher has just sent me a powerpoint about adolescent mental health issues and medication.

The first slide has a picture of Justin Bieber on it.

There seem to be so many possibilities behind how she decided on that one that I'm just not sure what to think, or how to get on to slide two.

116 palomino  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:43:16pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

But the ick factor! The ick factor! Maybe if they can describe anal sex in the most graphic, scatalogical, disturbing, lovingly detailed fashion they can, I'll get what's wrong with gay people!

The terrifying thing is, several folks have actually done this to me over the years. Sometimes while I'm eating.

Not that sodomy needs defending, but please remind those folks that about one-fourth of gay male couples don't even practice anal intercourse, while about one-fourth of heterosexual couples do practice anal sex.

Sex is never as cut and dried as the moralists would like to pretend.

117 sattv4u2  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:44:22pm

re: #116 palomino

Sex is never as cut and dried as the moralists would like to pretend.

You mean there's more to it than Saturday night, lights off, missionary position ??
/

118 EastSider  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:44:27pm

re: #116 palomino

Sex is never as cut and dried as the moralists would like to pretend.

They're not pretending, that's how they do it.

They're just pissed other people are having more fun.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:45:29pm

re: #116 palomino

Not that sodomy needs defending, but please remind those folks that about one-fourth of gay male couples don't even practice anal intercourse, while about one-fourth of heterosexual couples do practice anal sex.

Sex is never as cut and dried as the moralists would like to pretend.

More importantly, why the hell should I care? I understand there are straight couples who dress up as the French Maid and the Naughty Gendarme, and that makes me shudder, but it's actually not my business. Nor do I spend a moment thinking about it unless someone is kind enough to get drunk at a party and tell me how it saved their marriage. (Which happened once, but I'm only mildly scarred for life.)

120 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:45:34pm

re: #117 sattv4u2

Sex is never as cut and dried as the moralists would like to pretend.

You mean there's more to it than Saturday night, lights off, missionary position ??
/

Every Saturday night?

121 sattv4u2  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:46:10pm

re: #118 EastSider

They're not pretending, that's how they do it.

They're just pissed other people are having more fun.

fun!? FUN !!!?!?!?

Procreation only! NO FUN ALLOWED !!

122 Kragar  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:46:31pm

re: #117 sattv4u2

Sex is never as cut and dried as the moralists would like to pretend.

You mean there's more to it than Saturday night, lights off, missionary position ??
/

There is Evangelical foreplay.

"BRACE YOURSELF!"

123 sattv4u2  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:46:55pm

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Every Saturday night?

whether you want to or not,,, yes!

124 sattv4u2  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:52:45pm

re: #122 Kragar

There is Evangelical foreplay.

"BRACE YOURSELF!"

Praise The Lord And Pass The Holy Lubricant

125 brennant  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:53:39pm

re: #124 sattv4u2

Praise The Lord And Pass The Holy Lubricant

On the count of five...

Three sir.

On the count of three...

126 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:53:59pm

re: #34 Bulworth

Have we reached peak wingnut?

No. We have not.

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:55:34pm

re: #37 EastSider

You mock, but I think "peak wingnut" is a scary concept when you consider how well-armed and off the reservation some of these folks are.

They forget, at their peril, that leftists have 2nd Amendment rights as well.

128 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:55:57pm

re: #126 moderatelyradicalliberal

No. We have not.

Obama's still coming for your guns!!!! - NRA

129 Kragar  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:57:02pm

re: #127 William Barnett-Lewis

They forget, at their peril, that leftists have 2nd Amendment rights as well.

"HAHA, Liberals can't shoot, but we must be ready to defend ourselves in case they attempt to take us over like the Soviets or Chinese Communists."

130 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:57:16pm

CalculatedRisk points out that the loss of public sector jobs is one reason why unemployment figures are so high:

Articles on Government Employment

[...]

The public sector grew during Mr. Bush's term (up 900,000 jobs), but the public sector has declined since Obama took office (down 607,000 jobs). These job losses are at the state and local level, although the Federal government has been losing jobs over the last year. These job losses have been a significant drag on overall employment. [...]

And then he goes on to link to two recent articles, one from the FT, the other from the WSJ, neither of which are known for being left-wing publications, that give the numbers of how severe the loss the public employment has been.

This is a fact that Mitt Romney avoids, because his wingnut puppet-masters to which he must bow have as one (of their many) untenable religious beliefs that "government" anything is evil, especially government workers.

131 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:57:42pm
132 Lidane  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:58:14pm

re: #124 sattv4u2

Praise The Lord And Pass The Holy Lubricant

Youtube Video
133 palomino  Wed, May 9, 2012 3:59:06pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

More importantly, why the hell should I care? I understand there are straight couples who dress up as the French Maid and the Naughty Gendarme, and that makes me shudder, but it's actually not my business. Nor do I spend a moment thinking about it unless someone is kind enough to get drunk at a party and tell me how it saved their marriage. (Which happened once, but I'm only mildly scarred for life.)

Only because it further underscores the right's hypocrisy on this issue. They say that sodomy is the underlying sin that justifies their homophobia, yet ignore the fact that many gay men don't do the icky thing and lots of straight people do. Other than that, though, you're right: shouldn't matter at all since it's private and consensual.

134 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:00:48pm

Someone's trying to become relevant...

135 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:01:37pm

United Airlines Flight 232 - Sioux City, Iowa

Heroic pilot dies of brain cancer

ST. CHARLES, Ill. - Dennis Fitch, the pilot who helped save 184 people when a Denver-to-Chicago flight crashed in Iowa in 1989, has died.

Fitch was a commercial airline pilot. He is best known for saving 184 out of 296 people on-board the United Airlines Flight 232 in Sioux City, Iowa when all flight controls were lost. Even though he was injured from being on board the flight, he returned to his flying duties.

He was commended by President George H. W. Bush due to his heroic actions.

He served as a safety consultant to NASA as a member of the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel and was also president of his own aviation consulting firm.

Fitch died at his home in St. Charles, Ill. of brain cancer on Monday at the age of 69...

136 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:02:46pm

Anyone else think the DNC should move their convention to a friendlier state?

137 Lidane  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:03:22pm

re: #133 palomino

They say that sodomy is the underlying sin that justifies their homophobia, yet ignore the fact that many gay men don't do the icky thing and lots of straight people do.

They also ignore the fact that sodomy was traditionally defined as anything other than the missionary position, and that sodomy laws used to apply to straight couples too.

138 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:03:50pm

re: #136 darthstar

Anyone else think the DNC should move their convention to a friendlier state?

Negative.

139 simoom  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:04:50pm

I was watching the Fox panel discussing the gay marriage announcement and it was surprisingly subdued, but then on the tail end Bret Baier mentions how he's being inundated with FNC viewer emails complaining about President Obama's use of the word "my" in the phrase "when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage". I then thought to myself, "Wut?? Oh, it must be on Drudge."

And sure enough, it is.

140 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:05:24pm

re: #135 Gus

United Airlines Flight 232 - Sioux City, Iowa

Heroic pilot dies of brain cancer

The United instructor who manned the throttle.

I remember reading a few years ago that they were never able to replicate what they did in real life in their DC-10 simulators. God bless them all.

141 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:07:16pm

re: #136 darthstar

Anyone else think the DNC should move their convention to a friendlier state?

NC is a toss-up state, and RCP's poll aggregate has Obama ahead by 2.4%.

142 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:07:57pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

NC is a toss-up state, and RCP's poll aggregate has Obama ahead by 2.4%.

Yeah...I was just being snarky...I think he can win NC even with the gay marriage thing.

143 simoom  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:08:36pm

George Takei reacts:

[Link: www.allegiancemusical.com...]

Today marks the first time in history a President of the United States has stated his support for marriage equality. I am thrilled by this news, and I commend the President for taking what many pundits inevitably will say was an “unnecessary” risk in an election year. Such an assessment, however, sadly only underscores the second-class status many LGBT Americans experience daily, knowing that their rights and lives are nothing more than a political tool to be hauled out to rally the base, for or against.

It is time to stop the politics and address the basic question of fairness, for that is what this is about. We cannot say we are a nation that stands for equality, while in the same breath denying basic rights of happiness, financial parity, and state-recognized companionship to millions. Nor can we any longer trot out the tired notion that civil unions and marriages are the same. For if they were, we would not call them by different names. Separate can never be equal–a lesson we learned during the Civil Rights era that we have yet to apply to the struggle for LGBT rights today.

The President has done the right thing, and history will remember him for it. But for today, I am all smiles. On behalf of the LGBT community, and all those who support our cause, thank you, President Obama.

Today, I can proudly feel wholly American.

–George Takei

144 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:09:53pm

re: #134 darthstar

Someone's trying to become relevant...

[Embedded content]

Move over George Carlin!

145 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:11:02pm

re: #142 darthstar

Yeah...I was just being snarky...I think he can win NC even with the gay marriage thing.

The convention should be worth at least a temporary bump there, unless the Dems let someone turn it into a circus--looking at you, OWS.

146 ArchangelMichael  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:11:31pm

re: #134 darthstar

Someone's trying to become relevant...

[Embedded content]

@AnnCoulter LOLWUT!?!?!

147 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:12:10pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

NC is a toss-up state, and RCP's poll aggregate has Obama ahead by 2.4%.

There's that. I saw that this morning and didn't think it through. Why punish the people that voted against Amendment 1 is a first thought. Others being a change of venue for such a large event would be a nightmare on several levels including facilities, catering, lodging, etc. We'd be looking at re-book fees, flights, breaking of contracts, etc. Total cost would be in the millions. Then there would be the distraction of such a movement since no one at the DNC is going to say, "hey we're not going to have our convention in NC." Last thing we need is a "move the DNC convention" circus at this point in the game.

148 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:12:45pm

Oh my god, she called the president and veep gay. She's about as funny as a third grader.

149 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:12:53pm
David Corn @DavidCornDC

White House official tells me Obama thinking about making gay-marriage stmnt for months, talking much with Ms. O. motherjones.com/politics/2012/…

I believe this 100%. FLOTUS is awesome.

150 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:13:53pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Oh my god, she called the president and veep gay. She's about as funny as a third grader.

And she's supposedly an ally of GOProud.

151 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:14:39pm

re: #149 moderatelyradicalliberal

I believe this 100%. FLOTUS is awesome.

Makes me you and her like her more, will surely make the haters hate her more but you can tell alot a man by who his enemies are.

152 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:14:47pm

re: #150 darthstar

And she's supposedly an ally of GOProud.

Any statements from GOProud?

153 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:15:21pm

re: #150 darthstar

And she's supposedly an ally of GOProud.

Supposedly. Remember she called Edwards a faggot too. She's not nearly as funny as she seems to think she is.

154 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:15:32pm

re: #150 darthstar

And she's supposedly an ally of GOProud.

Let me know what that dork GayPatriot is saying on Twitter.

//

155 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:16:44pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Any statements from GOProud?

Yep...same shit as LCR...

“It is good to see that after intense political pressure that President Obama has finally come around to the Dick Cheney position on marriage equality. I am sure, however, the President’s newly discovered support for marriage is cold comfort to the gay couples in North Carolina. The President waited until after North Carolina passed a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.”

“This is hardly a profile in courage by President Obama. For years now, President Obama has tried his hardest to have it both ways on this issue.

“The real kudos here goes to LGBT activists and their allies who finally forced the President into yielding on this issue.”

156 Targetpractice  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:18:16pm

re: #155 darthstar

Yep...same shit as LCR...

Translation: Our own party just kicked us hard in the nads, so we're gonna take it out on Obama for no other reason than because we're bitter.

157 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:18:23pm

re: #155 darthstar

Yep...same shit as LCR...

Obviously more GOP than proud.

158 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:18:35pm

My name is fitting today re: President Obama's statement.

Then I realize my fellow Americans leave hateful messages like above.

159 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:19:12pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Makes me you and her like her more, will surely make the haters hate her more but you can tell alot a man by who his enemies are.

And bu who he marries. As we say in the South, President Obama married well.

160 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:19:34pm

re: #155 darthstar

Yep...same shit as LCR...

They give Cheney credit but ignore the fact that Cheney was silent when his boss pushed a federal ban on gay marriage. And even if the president had come out for gay marriage before NC, the thing still would have passed. GOProud is just being bitter I think because they know their party leadership exempting Cheney is very backass backwards on this issue including their supposedly socially moderate nominee who doesn't even support civil unions.

161 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:20:07pm

re: #159 moderatelyradicalliberal

And bu who he marries. As we say in the South, President Obama married well.

She's awesome. Haters will hate. And we will laugh.

162 Patricia Kayden  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:21:50pm

Good for LGF for exposing the racism/homophobia at FOXNEWS, but I just skip over the comments since my delicate constitution cannot absorb so much tripe.

Why doesn't FOXNEWS simply require commenters to register and then moderate all comments? Wouldn't that make sense since they seem to have a recurring problem with nauseating comments? I am not aware of any left wing blogs (and I read alot of them) having this kind of problem.

163 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:22:30pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

She's awesome. Haters will hate. And we will laugh.

I gotta say. I'm still get a kick out of a dark skinned black woman from the South Side of Chicago as First Lady. I think it's more extraordinary than a black president.

164 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:23:42pm

re: #162 Patricia Kayden

Good for LGF for exposing the racism/homophobia at FOXNEWS, but I just skip over the comments since my delicate constitution cannot absorb so much tripe.

Why doesn't FOXNEWS simply require commenters to register and then moderate all comments? Wouldn't that make sense since they seem to have a recurring problem with nauseating comments? I am not aware of any left wing blogs (and I read alot of them) having this kind of problem.

Because FOX News' business model is to give these people a space to be the assholes they are. It's part of their niche marketing.

165 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:24:36pm

re: #162 Patricia Kayden

Good for LGF for exposing the racism/homophobia at FOXNEWS, but I just skip over the comments since my delicate constitution cannot absorb so much tripe.

Why doesn't FOXNEWS simply require commenters to register and then moderate all comments? Wouldn't that make sense since they seem to have a recurring problem with nauseating comments? I am not aware of any left wing blogs (and I read alot of them) having this kind of problem.

Their blogmeisters are paid professional money to know that. The situation satisfies them.

166 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:30:03pm

re: #149 moderatelyradicalliberal

I believe this 100%. FLOTUS is awesome.

The bottom line is they are for all Americans, see them every day. How could our leadership exclude some? Yah, I know.

167 simoom  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:30:21pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

They give Cheney credit but ignore the fact that Cheney was silent when his boss pushed a federal ban on gay marriage. And even if the president had come out for gay marriage before NC, the thing still would have passed. GOProud is just being bitter I think because they know their party leadership exempting Cheney is very backass backwards on this issue including their supposedly socially moderate nominee who doesn't even support civil unions.

Also:

[Link: projects.newsobserver.com...]

March 16, 2012

President Barack Obama today came out against the proposed constitutional amendment on North Carolina's May 8th ballot banning same sex marriages and civil unions, weighing into a fight in a key battleground state.

His campaign issued a statement saying the amendment was discriminatory.

“While the president does not weigh in on every single ballot measure in every state, the record is clear that the President has long opposed divisive and discriminatory efforts to deny rights and benefits to same sex couples,” said Cameron French, his North Carolina campaign spokesman.

“That’s what the North Carolina ballot initiative would do – it would single out and discriminate against committed gay and lesbian couples – and that’s why the President does not support it.”

168 krypto  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:30:26pm

The first thought I had when I read about this was, "Obama just lost the vote of everyone who was going to vote against him anyway."

169 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:32:03pm

I got a new follower on twitter today...she has a web page (HOTCUM_ORGY dot info)...I'm guessing she's an oral hygienist.

170 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:32:45pm

re: #167 simoom

Good find.

171 Obdicut  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:33:39pm

re: #169 darthstar

She's a traditional Latinist-- Orgies were actually lavish dinner parties more than sex-a-thons. So I'm sure she's just into Roman-style potluck.

172 PhillyPretzel  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:33:42pm

One of my neighbors commented that when the GOP picks Mitt in the convention Obama will win a second term as President. Today's news practically makes it a fact.

173 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:35:25pm

re: #171 Obdicut

She's a traditional Latinist-- Orgies were actually lavish dinner parties more than sex-a-thons. So I'm sure she's just into Roman-style potluck.

Don't know the translation of 'hotcum', but it's inflection looks like 3rd declension.

174 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:36:29pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Don't know the translation of 'hotcum', but it's inflection looks like 3rd declention.

She graduated hotcum laud loud.

175 freetoken  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:37:23pm

re: #162 Patricia Kayden

Why doesn't FOXNEWS simply require commenters to register and then moderate all comments? Wouldn't that make sense since they seem to have a recurring problem with nauseating comments? I am not aware of any left wing blogs (and I read alot of them) having this kind of problem.

FoxNews Inc. was created by Rupert Murdoch because he saw that there was an untapped market in the US for "news" that was aimed at a portion of the American populace that did not like the New York based (read "liberal") media.

That is why he got Roger Ailes to run the cable channel.

Fox News keeps its audience by appealing to the taste of its audience, just like any other media corporation.

That the segment of the population to which Fox is targeted includes the atavists, racists, and miscreants is not an issue for Murdoch. He simply takes their money. FoxNation and such run outlandish titles on their articles (see upstream, my post) as a wink-wink to their audience to reassure them that Fox understands their feelings.

176 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:39:20pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Make that 2nd declension. Been a while.

177 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:39:54pm
And now it’s the Republicans’ turn. As Fox News anchor Shepard Smith suggested in reporting the president’s shift, Republicans are “on the wrong side of history.” Indeed. But they have plenty of time to make amends. Republicans should be ashamed enough that theirs is the party that stood in the way of interracial marriage and civil rights. Is that really a legacy the GOP wants to continue into the 21st century? It seems to me the GOP has a choice between courting the open-minded next generation of voters, or continuing to be marred by scandals in which anti-gay Republican after anti-gay Republican is embarrassingly outed and shamed. Apparently this is a tough choice for the GOP, which would rather keep implicitly firing up bigotry than stand firm for equality.

[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]

Sally Kohn

178 Obdicut  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:41:01pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

You were just thinking of the genitive plural of the 3rd declension. Happens all the time.

179 Aye Pod  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:42:40pm

Some of the crazy at Weasel Zippers:

Has anyone told him the ratio of Black to any other color of voter yet?
He does realize that they make up about 13% of America.. I know it seems like more with all the noise and trouble they cause. But by themselves they can not and will not be able to keep obama in the White House.

_____________________________________________________

This is what they want more then anything is to rule over all of us.. to make us suffer to do worse to us then was done to their ancestors.
It makes me sick.. These people should be in jail for HATE speech. They should be in jail for voter intimidation, for trying to cause riots and for putting a bounty on a innocent mans head…
These people make me sick.. These people make me angry and worst of all these people make me look at regular black people and think, if they get the chance they would kill me or chain me to a pole and work me like a slave..

__________________________________________________________

I have a little Niece who will be two this June and she can throw some fits.
Still she is more mature then those we currently have in and about our White House.
She is a much better dresser then the wookie that’s for sure.

[Link: weaselzippers.us...]

180 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:44:51pm

re: #179 Aye Pod

Is that you Jimmah? Hi to you & Icy!!

181 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:44:59pm

re: #177 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

[Link: blogs.reuters.com...]

Sally Kohn

One day people are going to learn that modern conservatism literally means being behind the curve on social change and then appealing to people who are pissed about social change after the change has been made. That's what the Southern Strategy and the rise of the Religious Right were all about. To do anything differently would be to stop being the conservative movement and the Republican Party. This is who and what they are. Why don't people get that?

182 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:47:57pm

Denis Leary
@denisleary
"Racism isn't born, folks. It's taught. I have a 2 yr old son. Know what he hates? Naps. End of list." - Me, 1992. True now as it was then.

183 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:48:15pm

re: #179 Aye Pod

Weasel Zippers slime.

184 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:48:30pm

re: #169 darthstar

I got a new follower on twitter today...she has a web page (HOTCUM_ORGY dot info)...I'm guessing she's an oral hygienist.

She might be wanting someone to give her a pearl necklace...

/awful, I know...I blame ZZ Top ;-P

185 bmiller11757  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:49:59pm

re: #184 ArthurSlugworth

She might be wanting someone to give her a pearl necklace...

/awful, I know...I blame ZZ Top ;-P

groan...

186 PhillyPretzel  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:52:13pm

re: #182 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

And Oscar Hammerstein II understood that too. You've Got to be Carefully Taught was in South Pacific.

187 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:54:33pm

re: #186 PhillyPretzel

And Oscar Hammerstein II understood that too. You've Got to be Carefully Taught was in South Pacific.

by the age of 5 or 6 or 7 or 8,
to hate the people your parents hate
you have to be carefully taught . . .

yup


just a drive-by

taking brat puppy to class

later all

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:55:46pm

re: #178 Obdicut

You were just thinking of the genitive plural of the 3rd declension. Happens all the time.

So Sofa Dog would be:

lectus canis

or lecti canis?

check-in later.

189 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:58:05pm

Ballllliiiiiiiii hiiiiiigh...

190 Obdicut  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:59:14pm

re: #188 ggt

If you mean he's the dog of the sofa, he'd be Lecti Canis, which would also be a pun meaning he's a 'choice dog'. But if you just made an adjective out of couch, it'd just be Lectus Canis, but Latin doesn't really do that.

191 Aye Pod  Wed, May 9, 2012 4:59:45pm

re: #180 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Is that you Jimmah? Hi to you & Icy!!

Hi there Stanley! Good to see you - ice says 'Hi' too :)

192 Aye Pod  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:02:16pm

re: #183 Gus

Weasel Zippers slime.

"Scouring the bowels of the internet" - lol - they so clearly ARE those bowels.

193 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:03:36pm

Jessica
@vdaze
I don't know why the wingnuts are so upset. We all know that once Teh Gays get married, they'll stop having sex. THINK, PEOPLE. THINK!

194 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:03:50pm

re: #192 Aye Pod

"Scouring the bowels of the internet" - lol - they so clearly ARE those bowels.

He still left those links to the neo-Nazi site, New Nation, in his comments. He knows about this too. Whatever. Right-wing business model.

195 calochortus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:04:12pm

What I don't get is why anyone thinks marriage is about nothing but sex. Yes, sex is a fine thing, but if that's all you want it's easier to just pick up someone in a bar or something. Marriage is so much more. Society is better when people can make long term commitments to those they love. I'm really not all that interested in what is going on in other peoples' bedrooms.

196 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:06:26pm

re: #195 calochortus

What I don't get is why anyone thinks marriage is about nothing but sex. Yes, sex is a fine thing, but if that's all you want it's easier to just pick up someone in a bar or something. Marriage is so much more. Society is better when people can make long term commitments to those they love. I'm really not all that interested in what is going on in other peoples' bedrooms.

If you can search & find spacejesus' post from earlier, his fb friend posted an eloquent screed on marriage.

197 garhighway  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:06:39pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

More importantly, why the hell should I care? I understand there are straight couples who dress up as the French Maid and the Naughty Gendarme, and that makes me shudder, but it's actually not my business. Nor do I spend a moment thinking about it unless someone is kind enough to get drunk at a party and tell me how it saved their marriage. (Which happened once, but I'm only mildly scarred for life.)

Even more fun is the French Gendarme and the Naughty Maid.

198 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:06:50pm

I was Rhodope’s happiness.
Those who played with me
Called me lovely Stephanos.
Rhodope shed tears when I perished,
And buried me like a human.
I am the dog Stephanos,
And Rhodope set up a tomb for me.

[Link: thesocietypages.org...]

199 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:07:13pm

re: #195 calochortus

What I don't get is why anyone thinks marriage is about nothing but sex. Yes, sex is a fine thing, but if that's all you want it's easier to just pick up someone in a bar or something. Marriage is so much more. Society is better when people can make long term commitments to those they love. I'm really not all that interested in what is going on in other peoples' bedrooms.

Nah, since the human gene pool is so sparse, it's best to go for sex with as many random people as possible.

200 Aye Pod  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:07:28pm

Jimmah-ice productions is launching our first foray into Pharmaceuticals.

Ahem...

"This world, a world where opinions can differ from one's own, can be a scary place for a wingnut. But with Dr Butthurt's Downding Ointment it doesn't have to be so painful."

Youtube Video
201 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:08:36pm

Watching O'Reilly for grins and giggles to see how that asshole addresses this issue. Right now he's stirring fear of the black man.

202 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:08:59pm

re: #200 Aye Pod

Jimmah-ice productions is launching our first foray into Pharmaceuticals.

Ahem...

"This world, a world where opinions can differ from one's own, can be a scary place for a wingnut. But with Dr Butthurt's Downding Ointment it doesn't have to be so painful."

I'll take two tubes, one for each hand.

203 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:09:35pm

re: #201 darthstar

Watching O'Reilly for grins and giggles to see how that asshole addresses this issue. Right now he's stirring fear of the black man.

Gay black man?

204 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:10:14pm

re: #201 darthstar

Watching O'Reilly for grins and giggles to see how that asshole addresses this issue. Right now he's stirring fear of the black man.

See #194.

205 calochortus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:11:39pm

re: #196 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

If you can search & find spacejesus' post from earlier, his fb friend posted an eloquent screed on marriage.

As it happens, I did see it (and updinged it.) It was very touching and sweet.

206 calochortus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:13:10pm

re: #199 b_sharp

That sounds like a male perspective. Women need to be more selective...

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:13:17pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

I was Rhodope’s happiness.
Those who played with me
Called me lovely Stephanos.
Rhodope shed tears when I perished,
And buried me like a human.
I am the dog Stephanos,
And Rhodope set up a tomb for me.

[Link: thesocietypages.org...]

That is delightful.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:15:39pm

re: #199 b_sharp

Nah, since the human gene pool is so sparse, it's best to go for sex with as many random people as possible.

We had a discussion on NaNoWriMo a while back about someone's science fiction story, which featured a bunch of kids, the only ones left on a planet, pairing off. My comment was that if they're actually the only remnant of humanity left, they can form pairs all they want, but for reproduction's sake, given the incredibly limited gene pool, it might be best if the girls didn't have all their children by the same boys. If you're going to get no more genetic material, you want to stir what you've got a thoroughly as you can.

209 Aye Pod  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:15:57pm

re: #203 b_sharp

Gay black man?

Fear of a Gay Black Planet?

210 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:16:01pm

re: #206 calochortus

That sounds like a male perspective. Women need to be more selective...

That was my well known and patented sarcastic comment.

211 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:16:27pm

re: #200 Aye Pod

Jimmah-ice productions is launching our first foray into Pharmaceuticals.

Ahem...

"This world, a world where opinions can differ from one's own, can be a scary place for a wingnut. But with Dr Butthurt's Downding Ointment it doesn't have to be so painful."

[Embedded content]

Oh so excellent!!!

212 Kragar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:16:49pm

CNN interviews Tony Perkins

Youtube Video
213 calochortus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:16:55pm

re: #210 b_sharp

I did actually suspect that.

214 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:17:33pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

We had a discussion on NaNoWriMo a while back about someone's science fiction story, which featured a bunch of kids, the only ones left on a planet, pairing off. My comment was that if they're actually the only remnant of humanity left, they can form pairs all they want, but for reproduction's sake, given the incredibly limited gene pool, it might be best if the girls didn't have all their children by the same boys. If you're going to get no more genetic material, you want to stir what you've got a thoroughly as you can.

Exactly. With 7 billion people our 'pool' is hardly sparse.

215 Aye Pod  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:19:23pm

re: #211 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Oh so excellent!!!

I look forward to deploying it in a 'live' situation :D

216 austin_blue  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:19:49pm

Biden's statement over the weekend was clearly to introduce the subject. When it was met by a collective "Meh." by most people, Obama felt it safe to show his Evolving Position.

I just wish he had mentioned that whole "equal protection under the law" thingy in the Constitution, which is clearly being violated by several of the Several States. Like mine.

217 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:21:09pm

re: #215 Aye Pod

I look forward to deploying it in a 'live' situation :D

Well your usual morning time works!

218 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:23:33pm

15,656 days.

219 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:24:20pm

O'Reilly got Dick Morris on to address the Obama statement. Dick Morris sounds like he's one undercover cop in a restroom away from being outed himself.

220 Aye Pod  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:24:49pm

re: #217 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Well your usual morning time works!

True :) Sadly though it's late here again, so it's nighty-night from me and ice. Hope to see you on here again soon!

221 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:27:08pm

re: #218 Gus

15,656 days.

You sure that's not 15,666 days? (10 leap years)...OMG SATAN!

222 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:29:06pm

re: #221 darthstar

You sure that's not 15,666 days? (10 leap years)...OMG SATAN!

Never mind...it's 15,656

223 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:29:07pm

Goodnight Lizards.

Try not to eat (very many of ) the young ons.

We may need them.

Sleep Well.

224 Lidane  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:29:15pm

re: #219 darthstar

O'Reilly got Dick Morris on to address the Obama statement. Dick Morris sounds like he's one undercover cop in a restroom away from being outed himself.

Morris is a stooge and an irrelevant hack. Fuck him.

225 Kragar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:30:34pm
daveweigel ‏ @daveweigel

Okay, Biden. Now say something about decriminalizing pot.

226 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:30:40pm

re: #224 Lidane

Morris is a stooge and an irrelevant hack. Fuck him.

Indeed...after one minute, they moved on to ranting about China...so O'Reilly really doesn't want to talk about this, obviously.

227 Big Joe  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:31:14pm

re: #225 Kragar

I think Biden is strongly against that.

228 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:35:34pm
229 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:36:50pm
230 smashin grab  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:37:04pm

its this garbage that is precisely why the prez has been playin, the reichwing. the more these KKKlowns expose themselves, the more reasonable people all over the world, will push back.... and better this will make willard paint himself with this crowd more than ever.... by they way, willards rally yesterday had only 500 people.

231 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:38:48pm

Alan Colmes testes finally dropped.

[Link: www.politicususa.com...]

232 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:38:54pm

re: #228 darthstar

Downding

233 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:39:41pm

re: #231 darthstar

Alan Colmes testes finally dropped.

[Link: www.politicususa.com...]

Beat ya!

//

234 wrenchwench  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:40:26pm

re: #230 smashin grab

Welcome, hatchling.

(I missed your actual hatching post.)

235 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:40:34pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

[Embedded content] Downding

I would expect nothing less from you.

236 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:40:47pm

re: #233 Gus

Beat ya!

//

Yep...good timing.

237 wrenchwench  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:40:53pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

[Embedded content] Downding

There's an ointment for that.

238 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:42:06pm

re: #237 wrenchwench

There's an ointment for that.

Try the new Dr. Butthurt's Downding Ointment™!

Now in spearmint flavor.

239 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:42:18pm

re: #237 wrenchwench

There's an ointment for that.

Now banned in all 11 Confederate states.

240 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:42:49pm

re: #238 Gus

Try the new Dr. Butthurt's Downding Ointment™!

Now in spearmint flavor.

The definition of butthurt: standing behind Romney on the wrong side of history.

241 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:42:52pm

re: #237 wrenchwench

There's an ointment for that.

I need none. But Darth's foray into Mormon-bashing merited a stern reply. Doesn't matter if you don't like Mitt Romney, talking about him in connection with polygamy is a dog-whistle.

242 Lidane  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:43:18pm

re: #231 darthstar

Alan Colmes testes finally dropped.

[Link: www.politicususa.com...]

It won't last. He knows who signs his paychecks.

243 lawhawk  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:44:23pm

re: #238 Gus

You'd do much better with Boudreau's Butt Paste. 9 out of 10 babies approve.

244 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:44:38pm

re: #240 darthstar

The definition of butthurt: standing behind Romney on the wrong side of history.

Butthurt is defined as irrational hostility, it has nothing to do with "sides of history".

245 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:45:03pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

I need none. But Darth's foray into Mormon-bashing merited a stern reply. Doesn't matter if you don't like Mitt Romney, talking about him in connection with polygamy is a dog-whistle.

In reply to some bigot saying Obama would advocate polygamy because he supports marriage equality. Context, dude...context. And yes, I was making a joke based on a historical Mormon tradition (albeit one not in practice anymore). Deal with it.

246 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:45:37pm

re: #244 Dark_Falcon

Butthurt is defined as irrational hostility, it has nothing to do with "sides of history".

Irrational hostility is downdinging an obvious joke.

247 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:45:46pm

Arf! Arf, arf!

Aarrff!

248 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:46:10pm

re: #247 b_sharp

Arf! Arf, arf!

Aarrff!

Meow.

249 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:46:33pm

re: #248 darthstar

Meow.

CAT!

250 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:46:59pm

re: #247 b_sharp

Arf! Arf, arf!

Aarrff!

Top of the roof with you.

251 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:47:03pm

Not to be out-done by Fox, Freep chimes in on this momentous occasion

0h0m0 is desperate and acting like an incensed fighting fagot!

Now, “some” decent blacks will sit home in November!

The militant fagots just cut their own throats by forcing the cowardly fagot to come clean, er, come DIRTY is a new expression that should be used in the 0h0m0 era!

The fags also got Romney’s contribution to an anti-fag marriage organization and gave it to the a fag co-chairthing of the 0kaka reelection campaign! (just heard FOX recounting this felony!)

This thread should be pinged to the 0h0m0sexual Agenda Ping List.

47 posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 2:59:13 PM by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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252 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:47:29pm
253 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:47:55pm

re: #251 SpaceJesus

Not to be out-done by Fox, Freep chimes in on this momentous occasion

Retards can't even spell 'faggot'

254 Mich-again  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:47:56pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Yeah I agree. People should try to model the behavior they wish to see in others and that goes for politics too. The pendulum can only stop in the center..

255 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:48:31pm

As anyone here ever heard (obscure) the Steve Elkington interview w/Jim Rome whe he "hey mate, I saw a cat!"

256 wrenchwench  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:48:48pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

I need none. But Darth's foray into Mormon-bashing merited a stern reply. Doesn't matter if you don't like Mitt Romney, talking about him in connection with polygamy is a dog-whistle.

It is reasonable to say that polygamy is closer to Romney than it is to Obama. But you're right that there is a bit of dog whistle there.

257 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:49:06pm

re: #251 SpaceJesus

Free Republic proves yet again that it is a hive of scum and villainy of such stupendous depravity ans to make Mos Eisley seem like Salt Lake City by comparison.

258 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:49:27pm

re: #253 darthstar

spelling is the least of their worries. these people live in a state of abject horror and conspiracy that almost makes me sorry for them.

259 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:49:47pm

almost

260 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:50:06pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

It is reasonable to say that polygamy is closer to Romney than it is to Obama. But you're right that there is a bit of dog whistle there.

Not much of a whistle though...more of a 'sshhoooh" I never could put my lips together and blow. (h/t Marilyn)

261 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:50:58pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

I like it when you say 'depravity'...

262 Gus  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:51:05pm
263 wrenchwench  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:51:07pm

re: #260 darthstar

Not much of a whistle though...more of a 'sshhoooh" I never could put my lips together and blow. (h/t Marilyn)

As long as you don't try it while you're eating...

264 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:51:28pm

re: #253 darthstar

Retards can't even spell 'faggot'

That was the French version. Suckers!

265 wrenchwench  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:51:28pm

re: #260 darthstar

Not much of a whistle though...more of a 'sshhoooh" I never could put my lips together and blow. (h/t Marilyn)

That was Lauren Bacall, I believe.

266 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:51:34pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

I need none. But Darth's foray into Mormon-bashing merited a stern reply. Doesn't matter if you don't like Mitt Romney, talking about him in connection with polygamy is a dog-whistle.

Gotta agree with DF here. Not that I didn't LOL, but it doesn't make it right.

267 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:51:35pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

As long as you don't try it while you're eating...

Or drinking milk.

268 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:51:44pm

re: #260 darthstar

Not much of a whistle though...more of a 'sshhoooh" I never could put my lips together and blow. (h/t Marilyn)

As a kid I could hear dog whistles, as can my daughter.

269 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:52:14pm

re: #265 wrenchwench

That was Lauren Bacall, I believe.

Ooh...another heart throb (and a much more sensuous one at that)

270 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:52:28pm

re: #258 SpaceJesus

spelling is the least of their worries. these people live in a state of abject horror and conspiracy that almost makes me sorry for them.

If they didn't have that they'd just be losers. Their hate gives them a pseudo-cause, letting them feel that they are the Chosen Few, sent to do battle against the Black Hordes of Obamunism.

271 Obdicut  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:52:28pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Dark, I believe the Mormon position on polygamy is not that it is wrong, but that Mormons should obey the law of the land and are excommunicated if they do not. Mormon theology leaves the door open for re-instituting polygamy at a later date. I believe that the accedance was explicitly stated as a 'render unto Caeser moment', and there's certainly plenty of textual support for Polygamy in the texts of Mormons.

To the credit of Mormons, they believe that marriages persist into the afterlife; if you think about it, this means that you have to accommodate polygamy (and polyandry, which, to their detriment, they don't) in a spiritual sense.

272 wrenchwench  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:52:52pm

re: #269 darthstar

Ooh...another heart throb (and a much more sensuous one at that)

I agree.

273 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:52:52pm

re: #266 William Barnett-Lewis

Gotta agree with DF here. Not that I didn't LOL, but it doesn't make it right.

If I wanted to be right I wouldn't be on the internet.

274 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:52:58pm

re: #269 darthstar

Ooh...another heart throb (and a much more sensuous one at that)

It ain't the heart that throbs, me boy.

275 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:53:36pm

re: #274 b_sharp

It ain't the heart that throbs, me boy.

This is true.

276 wrenchwench  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:53:57pm

Later, throbbing lizards.

277 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:54:10pm

re: #275 darthstar

This is true.

Would I lie to you?

278 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:54:33pm

re: #277 b_sharp

Would I lie to you?

In a second.

279 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:54:44pm

re: #268 b_sharp

As a kid I could hear dog whistles, as can my daughter.

I still can if they are blown loudly. Those high-octave ringtones are quite painful to me on the rare times I hear them. It's even worse for my mother. My sister, however, did not inherit my mother's high frequency hearing, so such sounds don't bother her anymore.

280 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:55:04pm

Regarding Free Republic: I have a lot more respect for people who are open and honest about their hatred and scapegoating of gays vs. those who attempt camouflage, deny it exists while dousing it with Febreeze.

281 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:55:13pm

re: #278 darthstar

In a second.

Yah, well, only for your own good.

282 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:55:48pm
283 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:55:55pm

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

Regarding Free Republic: I have a lot more respect for people who are open and honest about their hatred and scapegoating of gays vs. those who attempt camouflage, deny it exists while dousing it with Febreeze.

I have no respect for either.

284 lawhawk  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:55:57pm

Hmm... that would make a great band name... Throbbin' Nobbin...

285 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:57:08pm

re: #281 b_sharp

Hows the grandson? Missed any updates.

Get your gutter mind back to GPa land!

286 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:57:23pm

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

Regarding Free Republic: I have a lot more respect for people who are open and honest about their hatred and scapegoating of gays vs. those who attempt camouflage, deny it exists while dousing it with Febreeze.

There's a lot to that idea: It is possible to respect someone who openly names you his enemy and charges you with a sword, but there can be no respect for him/her that claims you as a friend and then stabs you in the back with a knife.

287 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:57:44pm

re: #284 lawhawk

Hmm... that would make a great band name... Throbbin' Nobbin...

There was a band called Throbbing Gristle in the late 70s and early 80s...pretty cool electronic improvisation.

Here is one of their more mainstream songs..."Hot on the Heels of Love"

Youtube Video
288 Obdicut  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:58:17pm

re: #266 William Barnett-Lewis

I'm generally a 'stick up for Mormons when they're being unfairly bashed as compared to other Christians' guy, but as I've started to look into this issue, all of the proclamations, etc. from the Mormon church I can find on this issue explicitly said that the reason they were stopping polygamy was to prevent the destruction of the church by the state, that mormons should obey the law of the land, but none of them said that it was revealed polygamy was actually wrong in any way.

For the average, lay Mormon, I think obviously polygamy is far away from anything they want or think about (more than they're forced to by stereotyping). But in terms of actual theology, I can't find any support for the idea that the Mormon church has changed it's views on the rightnness of polygamy itself, just the rightness of doing it when it's illegal.

I don't think this is something horrible or even negative about the Mormon Church (though the practice of polygamy is rarely a good one, whatever the abstract of it may be) but it is, as far as I can tell, true.

289 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:58:49pm

re: #287 darthstar

There was a band called Throbbing Gristle in the late 70s and early 80s...pretty cool electronic improvisation.

Here is one of their more mainstream songs..."Hot on the Heels of Love"

[Embedded content]

And "Persuasion" - brilliant song.

Youtube Video
290 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 5:59:56pm

re: #289 darthstar

And "Persuasion" - brilliant song.

[Embedded content]

Oh, and their shows were originally done in art galleries, with black and white porn displayed on a screen behind them...yeah, they didn't get much radio play.

291 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:01:01pm

re: #285 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Hows the grandson? Missed any updates.

Get your gutter mind back to GPa land!

He's doing quite well now. Once he was changed to silicone from latex, and the daughter started producing he became much happier. We get to watch him for a few hours on the weekend while his mom spends time with my older grandkid.

I'm going to place him on the floor and see if he'll chase a string.

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:01:45pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

It is reasonable to say that polygamy is closer to Romney than it is to Obama. But you're right that there is a bit of dog whistle there.

Not that I've ever been able to sort out the matter--too much din from the wingnuts--but it seems to me highly possible that Obama's got a polygamist as close or closer on the family line. Certainly all of the Obama men up to the POTUS seem to have married early and often.

But I have hopes that, while this will not be a great election, it can at least be an election in which we don't spend a lot of time worrying about whose great-grandfather was a polygamist.

293 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:02:06pm

re: #282 darthstar

[Embedded content]

I think that's the political strategy here. The public is evenly divided o gay marriage so at first glance there's not much political leverage t be gained by endorsing it. Obama is going to alienate as many people as he attracts, However, the historical trend shows the public becoming more accepting of the idea so Obama gets to position himself as forward thinking while Mitt is forced to position himself as a relic of the past. One of the biggest pitfalls of "conservatism" is the tendency to just be a counterweight to progress. It's not going to work out well for them.

294 darthstar  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:03:51pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

In four months, this will be a non issue for most voters as they learn their friends and family members aren't as upset by it as Republicans want them to be.

295 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:05:37pm

re: #288 Obdicut

I'm generally a 'stick up for Mormons when they're being unfairly bashed as compared to other Christians' guy, but as I've started to look into this issue, all of the proclamations, etc. from the Mormon church I can find on this issue explicitly said that the reason they were stopping polygamy was to prevent the destruction of the church by the state, that mormons should obey the law of the land, but none of them said that it was revealed polygamy was actually wrong in any way.

For the average, lay Mormon, I think obviously polygamy is far away from anything they want or think about (more than they're forced to by stereotyping). But in terms of actual theology, I can't find any support for the idea that the Mormon church has changed it's views on the rightnness of polygamy itself, just the rightness of doing it when it's illegal.

I don't think this is something horrible or even negative about the Mormon Church (though the practice of polygamy is rarely a good one, whatever the abstract of it may be) but it is, as far as I can tell, true.

And what I see is women as a type of property, a kind of "good use" item. It will take a bit for me to lose this mindset. I read under the banner of heaven.

296 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:06:33pm

re: #291 b_sharp

He's doing quite well now. Once he was changed to silicone from latex, and the daughter started producing he became much happier. We get to watch him for a few hours on the weekend while his mom spends time with my older grandkid.

I'm going to place him on the floor and see if he'll chase a string.

Lol. Good Grampy!

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:07:17pm

re: #288 Obdicut

But in terms of actual theology, I can't find any support for the idea that the Mormon church has changed it's views on the rightnness of polygamy itself, just the rightness of doing it when it's illegal.

I don't think this is something horrible or even negative about the Mormon Church (though the practice of polygamy is rarely a good one, whatever the abstract of it may be) but it is, as far as I can tell, true.

The Talmudic statement is 'the law of the land is the law'.

Apparently the Mormons agree.

298 Obdicut  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:14:39pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that statement has clear limits, or Judaism would have died out in the many countries that it was criminalized in Europe, instead of producing crypto-Jews.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:14:57pm

re: #295 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

And what I see is women as a type of property, a kind of "good use" item. It will take a bit for me to lose this mindset. I read under the banner of heaven.

Wives can also be treated as property when there's only one of 'em, and that also goes back a good long way.

I'm not particularly enthused about polygamy, but the plain truth of the matter is that the LDS church agreed to stop the practice over a hundred years ago. As far as I know, they're not trying to bring it back, outside of a couple of fringe spin-off groups that the church cannot be reasonably expected to control.

This is kind of over.

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:16:17pm

re: #298 Obdicut

I think that statement has clear limits, or Judaism would have died out in the many countries that it was criminalized in Europe, instead of producing crypto-Jews.

Certain limits, yes, but laws relating to how many wives you have are comfortably within those limits.

301 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:16:39pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

Wives can also be treated as property when there's only one of 'em, and that also goes back a good long way.

I'm not particularly enthused about polygamy, but the plain truth of the matter is that the LDS church agreed to stop the practice over a hundred years ago. As far as I know, they're not trying to bring it back, outside of a couple of fringe spin-off groups that the church cannot be reasonably expected to control.

This is kind of over.

As in most practices, it's all in the way it's applied.

302 Obdicut  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:17:25pm

re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist

Certain limits, yes, but laws relating to how many wives you have are comfortably within those limits.

Sure. And, as I said, for the average Mormon, I think the issue is a total nonstarter. This is just more me, having defended Mormonism on the subject, finally really looking into it and finding to my surprise that they didn't, as I had thought, reject it theologically. As far as I can tell, that is-- maybe there was a clarification later on, but I haven't found it.

303 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:20:30pm

re: #302 Obdicut

Sure. And, as I said, for the average Mormon, I think the issue is a total nonstarter. This is just more me, having defended Mormonism on the subject, finally really looking into it and finding to my surprise that they didn't, as I had thought, reject it theologically. As far as I can tell, that is-- maybe there was a clarification later on, but I haven't found it.

I had never assumed they did, although I can't say I'd given it much thought. I thought it was just a deal cut to allow Utah's statehood, and reduce tensions with the Feds.

304 Obdicut  Wed, May 9, 2012 6:21:13pm

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I don't know why I assumed they did. Mistake on my part.

305 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, May 9, 2012 8:01:41pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

I was Rhodope’s happiness.
Those who played with me
Called me lovely Stephanos.
Rhodope shed tears when I perished,
And buried me like a human.
I am the dog Stephanos,
And Rhodope set up a tomb for me.

[Link: thesocietypages.org...]

While he spoke
an old hound, lying near, picked up his ears
and lifted up his muzzle. This was Argos,
trained as a puppy by Odysseus,
but never taken on a hunt before
his master sailed for Troy. The young men, afterward,
hunted wild goats with him, and hare, and deer,
but he had grown old in his master’s absence.
Treated as rubbish now, he lay at last
upon a mass of dung before the gates - 
manure of mules and cows, piled there until
fieldhands could spread it on the king’s estate.
Abandoned there, and half destroyed with flies,
old Argos lay.

But when he knew he heard
Odysseus’ voice nearby, he did his best
to wag his tail, nose down, with flattened ears,
having no strength to move nearer his master.
And the man looked away,
wiping a salt tear from his cheek; but he
hid this from Eumaios. Then he said:

“I marvel that they leave this hound to lie
here on the dung pile;
he would have been a fine dog, from the look of him,
though I can’t say as to his power and speed
when he was young. You find the same good build
in house dogs, table dogs landowners keep
all for style.”

And you replied, Eumaios:

“A hunter owned him - but the man is dead
in some far place. If this old hound could show
the form he had when Lord Odysseus left him,
going to Troy, you’d see him swift and strong.
He never shrank from any savage thing
he’d brought to bay in the deep woods; on the scent
no other dog kept up with him. Now misery
has him in leash. His owner died abroad,
and here the women slaves will take no care of him.
You know how servants are: without a master
they have no will to labor, or excel.
For Zeus who views the wide world takes away
half the manhood of a man, that day
he goes into captivity and slavery.”

Eumaios crossed the court and went straight forward
into the megaron among the suitors;
but death and darkness in that instant closed
the eyes of Argos, who had seen his master,
Odysseus, after twenty years.
”

— Homer, Odyssey book XVII, trans. Robert Fitzgerald

306 Hawaii69  Wed, May 9, 2012 8:07:41pm

I think this entry is mis-titled. I think for something to qualify as "horrifying" in needs to be unexpectd, or suprising. This is just par for the course.

307 Hawaii69  Wed, May 9, 2012 8:09:21pm

Lets try that again:

"I think for something to qualify as 'horrifying' it needs to be unexpected, or suprising. This is just par for the course"

308 Mickey Blumental  Wed, May 9, 2012 10:16:55pm

Well, I think that Obama's support of same-sex marriage is proof that he is indeed a stealth jihadist muslim. They're totally into that gay rights shit.

309 otoc  Thu, May 10, 2012 3:47:56am

Thanks Charles. You've gotten my attention after a few posts of this type.

I know it takes time to track comment entries but to make this have better statistical value it would be nice to know how comments track from selected liberal sources.

Then we could say that Fox readers who comment have a higher chance of being bigoted or racist than, say, NYT readers who comment.

310 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:49:59pm

re: #309 otoc

Problem is, I don't know of any liberal sources that have comments sections that even come close in terms of outright dim-witted hate speech like this. I don't think it's a fair comparison to put this kind of stuff next to, say, Democratic Underground threads, which can sometimes be offensive but almost never cross the line into racism and hate. (At least, not that I've seen.)


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