Obama Campaign Ad: Mitt Romney’s Auto Recovery Edition
The distorted reality of the Rominee
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darthstar Wed, May 9, 2012 6:02:25pm |
Sorry, BoSox fans...Carl Beane is dead. Rest in Peace, Carl.
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 6:04:48pm |
"Can't we talk about some issues of significance?"
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Kragar Wed, May 9, 2012 6:06:10pm |
re: #4 jaunte
"Can't we talk about some issues of significance?"
"Hey, lets talk about the height of trees for a bit!"
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rwmofo Wed, May 9, 2012 6:09:48pm |
This is a great example of how desperate the Media/Democrat party are now. They can't illustrate any actual accomplishments by the Obama administration, so it's "Oh look! A squirrel!" ...and this is a campaign ad? Heh. Hilarious.
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 6:10:20pm |
For all you doubters, I'm taking credit for the Leafs winning the Stanley Cup in 1967. I told my grandpa that they should beat the Canadiens. They did.
Yah me!
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 6:11:23pm |
re: #7 rwmofo
Come on, you've got to stop mailing it in like that.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 9, 2012 6:11:36pm |
Mitt Romney says that he opposed the government bailout of Detroit because the private market would have provided loans so GM and Chrysler could go through managed bankruptcy, but it turns out the firm Romney once led, Bain Capital, turned down the chance to do so. The government's auto task force asked Bain Capitol if it would like to invest in GM's European operations, The New York Times' Jeremy W. Peters reports, but Bain said no thanks. Detroit executives and Obama administration officials say that Romney is wrong: government money was necessary because at the worst of the financial crisis, private companies would not have lent the $80 billion the automakers needed. Based on The Times report, we now know that the government's argument was true in the case of at least one company: the one Romney helped found and shape.
Again, Romney is relying on a fundamental, pervasive public ignorance regarding how utterly frozen the credit markets were in 2009. Most people still don't grasp how bad things were. There was no angel investor to help guide GM through Chapter 11, if they were going to survive and not be totally liquidated it was up to the federal government to do the investing. This is exactly what Romney advised against and for him to take credit for it now is the height of mendacity. The man has no integrity, at all. He stands for nothing beyond his own desire to be President and will tell whatever lie he thinks he can get away with in the moment, no matter how egregious, to get him there.
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nines09 Wed, May 9, 2012 6:12:31pm |
"Mitt Romney. Nothing I say matters anyway. Vote "Not Sure" this November."
Paid for by the Romney Will Make Us All Stupid Campaign Fund.
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Obdicut Wed, May 9, 2012 6:12:44pm |
re: #10 jaunte
He's always been a boring troll. Last thread he dropped a turd in he got lots of attention. I prefer just to downding or tell him he's boring and move on-- he's explicitly stated he's a troll and does this for the lulz, so why please him.
Obama's administration provided the necessary bankruptcy bailout for the automakers, one that Romney explicitly argued against. The ad is clear, Romney's own words are clear, the president's actions are clear.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 9, 2012 6:12:47pm |
re: #10 jaunte
Come on, you've got to stop mailing it in like that.
Whenever something big happens with the Pres rightwingmotherfucker drops a bomb. It's a thermometer for me of the fuck yeah aspect of what happened.
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 6:13:05pm |
re: #7 rwmofo
This is a great example of how desperate the Media/Democrat party are now. They can't illustrate any actual accomplishments by the Obama administration, so it's "Oh look! A squirrel!" ...and this is a campaign ad? Heh. Hilarious.
So, how low is the the oil level?
I think it's the right making a big thing of it.
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Mich-again Wed, May 9, 2012 6:14:18pm |
Mitt's career at Bain Capital amounted to garbage picking in a suit. But even with all those years of experience digging through scraps he made the completely wrong call regarding the auto companies.
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Obdicut Wed, May 9, 2012 6:16:07pm |
re: #17 Mich-again
I was told that Bain turned down an opportunity to finance one of the automakers during the time of the bailout. I haven't yet found concrete support for this story, though.
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 6:16:35pm |
More war on women shenanigans from the Republicans in Kansas:
Kansas Bill Permits Doctors to Refuse to Administer Chemotherapy to Pregnant Cancer Patients
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Mich-again Wed, May 9, 2012 6:19:16pm |
re: #11 goddamnedfrank
Again, Romney is relying on a fundamental, pervasive public ignorance regarding how utterly frozen the credit markets were in 2009. Most people still don't grasp how bad things were. There was no angel investor to help guide GM through Chapter 11, if they were going to survive and not be totally liquidated it was up to the federal government to do the investing. This is exactly what Romney advised against and for him to take credit for it now is the height of mendacity..
Exactly. Mitt wants to compare what did happen to a Utopian alternative reality he dreamt up in hindsight, never mind that his alternative reality had zero chance of ever happening.
This is how scoundrels campaign. They compare an imperfect solution to a perfect one that only exists in their dream world and they present that as how they would have handled things.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 9, 2012 6:19:30pm |
This again is why I have more respect for the hard core Freepers than the average Republican voter. They know and will publicly acknowledge that Romney is a liar, and at least have the common decency to be significantly conflicted about voting for him. For the rest of the party it's a feature, not a bug.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 9, 2012 6:19:42pm |
re: #19 jaunte
More war on women shenanigans from the Republicans in Kansas:
Kansas Bill Permits Doctors to Refuse to Administer Chemotherapy to Pregnant Cancer Patients
Oh geeze. Too much.
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 6:20:41pm |
"If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed."
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 6:22:28pm |
re: #22 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
"People want to politicize this because it’s an election year, but my God do we have to fight about everything? And now we’re going to have a fight over women’s health. Give me a break."
-- John Boehner
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rwmofo Wed, May 9, 2012 6:23:08pm |
This is also a reminder of the problems that can result from unions distancing themselves far away from reality. Fortunately, the positive steps we've seen recently in Wisconsin illustrate the kind of progress that can optimally be implemented on a much larger scale - which will provide tax relief to all of us.
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Mich-again Wed, May 9, 2012 6:23:39pm |
re: #21 goddamnedfrank
This again is why I have more respect for the hard core Freepers than the average Republican voter. They know and will publicly acknowledge that Romney is a liar, and at least have the common decency to be significantly conflicted about voting for him. For the rest of the party it's a feature, not a bug.
Can Romney count on their support in November or will it turn out like it did for Sarkozy in France who tried to cozy up to the far right for support only to have them pull the chair out from under him right before the election because he wasn't far enough to the right..
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_RememberTonyC Wed, May 9, 2012 6:23:44pm |
re: #9 b_sharp
For all you doubters, I'm taking credit for the Leafs winning the Stanley Cup in 1967. I told my grandpa that they should beat the Canadiens. They did.
Yah me!
So you haven't done shit in 45 years ...
/
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 6:25:54pm |
How scoundrels campaign. They compare an imperfect solution to a perfect one that only exists in their dream world.#Romney #Chrysler
— Michelle (@MichelleVista) May 10, 2012
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 9, 2012 6:28:05pm |
re: #24 jaunte
"People want to politicize this because it’s an election year, but my God do we have to fight about everything? And now we’re going to have a fight over women’s health. Give me a break."
-- John Boehner
Thanks, Orangeman.
Reminds me unfondly of the moment when John McCain referred to "the 'health' of the mother", raising his fingers in little scare quotes.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 9, 2012 6:29:37pm |
re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist
Thanks, Orangeman.
Reminds me unfondly of the moment when John McCain referred to "the 'health' of the mother", raising his fingers in little scare quotes.
So fucking out of touch.
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dragonfire1981 Wed, May 9, 2012 6:31:09pm |
"I'm Mitt Romney and I endorse this Flip-flop."
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, May 9, 2012 6:31:47pm |
re: #25 rwmofo
This is also a reminder of the problems that can result from unions distancing themselves far away from reality. Fortunately, the positive steps we've seen recently in Wisconsin illustrate the kind of progress that can optimally be implemented on a much larger scale - which will provide tax relief to all of us.
Destroying jobs, the environment, peoples health care and their constitutional rights so that big corporations and rich scum can pay less taxes are positive steps? Would you please share what ever you're smoking because it's gotta be the good stuff...
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 6:32:04pm |
re: #33 dragonfire1981
"I'm Mitt Romney and I endorse this Flip-flop."
Etch-a-Sketch Man to the rescue.
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 6:32:37pm |
re: #34 William Barnett-Lewis
Reality = management would like to pay labor as little as possible.
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Mich-again Wed, May 9, 2012 6:32:45pm |
re: #25 rwmofo
The main cost disadvantage that the American companies had versus their foreign rivals was the legacy costs and health care costs. The main driver for increased health care costs has been the fact that the ones with health insurance have to cover the costs incurred by the people without health insurance and as more employers dropped health care benefits, the ones who maintained those benefits had to pay more and more. This is why the GOP griping about the cost of Union benefits is mostly BS.
All of the other major Nations that the US Industry competes against have national health care and this ends up holding costs down for the labor.
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 6:33:47pm |
re: #34 William Barnett-Lewis
Destroying jobs, the environment, peoples health care and their constitutional rights so that big corporations and rich scum can pay less taxes are positive steps? Would you please share what ever you're smoking because it's gotta be the good stuff...
I think whatever he's smoking is laced with psilocybin.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 9, 2012 6:34:34pm |
re: #34 William Barnett-Lewis
Destroying jobs, the environment, peoples health care and their constitutional rights so that big corporations and rich scum can pay less taxes are positive steps? Would you please share what ever you're smoking because it's gotta be the good stuff...
I still want to know rightwingmotherfuckers occupation. What's his contribute to society? My guess at this point, exxon mobil. Or maybe local auto shop where fox news is constant.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, May 9, 2012 6:35:08pm |
re: #37 Mich-again
The main cost disadvantage that the American companies had versus their foreign rivals was the legacy costs and health care costs. The main driver for increased health care costs has been the fact that the ones with health insurance have to cover the costs incurred by the people without health insurance and as more employers dropped health care benefits, the ones who maintained those benefits had to pay more and more. This is why the GOP griping about the cost of Union benefits is mostly BS.
All of the other major Nations that the US Industry competes against have national health care and this ends up holding costs down for the labor.
OF course the simplest and cheapest solution to the problem of legacy heath care benefits is:
SINGLE PAYER
But we know that the right wing is allergic to anything so Un-PC as decent care for all citizens.
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 6:36:47pm |
Should I buy another Fox Trotter or an Austrian Warmblood?#QuestionsMittLikes
— Ann T Bush (@AnnTBush) May 10, 2012
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 9, 2012 6:38:11pm |
re: #26 Mich-again
Can Romney count on their support in November or will it turn out like it did for Sarkozy in France who tried to cozy up to the far right for support only to have them pull the chair out from under him right before the election because he wasn't far enough to the right..
Most of them will fall in line because their stupidity trumps their sense of integrity. JimRob will gnash his teeth and pout from his Hoveround, but he can afford not to vote since he lives in California which is going blue no matter what. Plus, if Romney does win JimRob want's to stay in a position of outside criticism, saying "I told you so" as Mitt presides over the death rattle of the Republican brand.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 9, 2012 6:41:13pm |
TPM Livewire
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Gay Former Romney Staffer: Obama 'On The Right Side Of History' livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com
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dragonfire1981 Wed, May 9, 2012 6:45:02pm |
And now the latest from the "imagine that!" department:
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's popularity among women, minorities and independents is giving him an early edge over his likely GOP rival, Mitt Romney, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll.
The Democratic president also earns strong marks on empathy, sincerity, likeability and social issues. But Americans are split over which candidate can best handle the economy, which might open pathways for Romney six months before the November election.
Half of registered voters say they would back Obama in November, while 42 percent favor Romney, the AP-GfK poll found. About a quarter of voters indicated they are persuadable, meaning they are undecided or could change their minds before Election Day.
Forty-one percent of voters say they are certain to vote for Obama, and 32 percent say they are locked in for Romney.
I just can't imagine why blacks, women and minorities aren't interested in voting GOP...
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Bear Wed, May 9, 2012 6:45:16pm |
OT but have you looked at this? I really do not like this but other nations do own/invest in US banks and companies. [Link: ca.news.yahoo.com...]
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Digital Display Wed, May 9, 2012 6:45:32pm |
I'm back to playing music..I suck I'm so rusty..Just suck..So I'm back to playing some each day.And soaring leads in Em. ( One step at a time )
First some words...
When I think of all those night
All those games you played
All those times I tried to leave
But all those times I staid
I still hear your laughter
And it cuts me like a blade
It's a thin line
between what is and what is not
It's a thin line
Between what you need
and what you got..It's a thin line...
I got a foot on either side
It's a thin line
And some backing music..
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danarchy Wed, May 9, 2012 6:48:14pm |
re: #23 jaunte
From that same article:
"The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk."
He didn't advocate the government completely washing their hands of it and letting the free market do what it does. At the time the article was written the CEOs of the car companies were asking for a bailout, not to finance a managed bankruptcy but just to survive. For the next few months they submitted several plans for restructuring without bankruptcy in the end the Obama administration decided a managed bankruptcy would be the best option. Romney "taking credit" is pretty ridiculous, but he is also getting a bad rap on the "Let detroit go bankrupt" thing.
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KingKenrod Wed, May 9, 2012 6:50:44pm |
re: #11 goddamnedfrank
Again, Romney is relying on a fundamental, pervasive public ignorance regarding how utterly frozen the credit markets were in 2009. Most people still don't grasp how bad things were. There was no angel investor to help guide GM through Chapter 11, if they were going to survive and not be totally liquidated it was up to the federal government to do the investing. This is exactly what Romney advised against and for him to take credit for it now is the height of mendacity. The man has no integrity, at all. He stands for nothing beyond his own desire to be President and will tell whatever lie he thinks he can get away with in the moment, no matter how egregious, to get him there.
Romney's plan included federal loan guarantees and federal backing of warranties. That's a big difference from ordinary Chapter 11. We don't know if private funds would have materialized under those conditions.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 9, 2012 6:53:50pm |
re: #47 danarchy
From that same article:
"The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk."
He didn't advocate the government completely washing their hands of it and letting the free market do what it does. At the time the article was written the CEOs of the car companies were asking for a bailout, not to finance a managed bankruptcy but just to survive. For the next few months they submitted several plans for restructuring without bankruptcy in the end the Obama administration decided a managed bankruptcy would be the best option. Romney "taking credit" is pretty ridiculous, but he is also getting a bad rap on the "Let detroit go bankrupt" thing.
That's exactly what he said though, verbatim. Being a businessman he was in the best position to understand that the credit markets were frozen, so frozen that even Bain Capital, when approached, said no thanks. Why shouldn't I believe that he understood that if the government didn't invest in GM that the only other available path forward was Chapter 7, total liquidation of the company with all assets individually auctioned off to the highest bidder?
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ProGunLiberal Wed, May 9, 2012 6:55:18pm |
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 6:58:24pm |
re: #47 danarchy
There just wasn't any private capital jumping at the chance to get into the auto business at the time.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 9, 2012 7:01:13pm |
re: #48 KingKenrod
Romney's plan included federal loan guarantees and federal backing of warranties. That's a big difference from ordinary Chapter 11. We don't know if private funds would have materialized under those conditions.
We also don't know that those weren't the terms offered to Bain. The fact that the credit markets were frozen precluded all kinds of deals because there was no available money being lent under any terms. Also, what is the advantage of providing a federal loan guarantee vs. having the government invest directly? It seems to me that loan guarantees are what left the government in the lurch when Solyndra dissolved.
What Romney was proposing was to socialize all of the risk while privatizing the rewards, that's hardly a free market solution. However it's entirely in line with what Romney did while at Bain, taking loans against pension funds knowing that if the companies failed the States would be on the hook to honor and bail out the highly leveraged accounts.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 9, 2012 7:02:21pm |
re: #12 nines09
"Mitt Romney. Nothing I say matters anyway. Vote "Not Sure" this November."
Paid for by the Romney Will Make Us All Stupid Campaign Fund.
There is at least one really enthused Romney voter out there. However, he's fourteen. (Kid was at my tutoring table yesterday.)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 7:04:51pm |
re: #14 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Whenever something big happens with the Pres rightwingmotherfucker drops a bomb. It's a thermometer for me of the fuck yeah aspect of what happened.
That's not a bomb, its just a DERP. He's not even a good troll.
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danarchy Wed, May 9, 2012 7:05:03pm |
re: #51 jaunte
No but the government certainly could have tried to goose the process with loan guarantees and other incentives. Maybe they tried those and failed, I don't know, but It certainly should have been attempted before fully committing taxpayer money.
Again at the time the article was written the talk was all of government bailouts, not government managed bankruptcy.
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 7:11:16pm |
The cost of the auto bailout to taxpayers is about $14 billion. It probably saved about a million jobs.
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 7:14:16pm |
re: #56 jaunte
The cost of the auto bailout to taxpayers is about $14 billion. It probably saved about a million jobs.
OMG, that's like $14,000/job!
Who the heck is worth $14,000?
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 7:16:49pm |
re: #57 Hanging Chad
Compared to $700 billion for Iraq, it seems like a bargain.
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austin_blue Wed, May 9, 2012 7:19:10pm |
re: #7 rwmofo
This is a great example of how desperate the Media/Democrat party are now. They can't illustrate any actual accomplishments by the Obama administration, so it's "Oh look! A squirrel!" ...and this is a campaign ad? Heh. Hilarious.
Huh. Saved the country from unmitigated economic disaster with the stimulus (even though it wasn't large enough- look how well austerity is working in Europe), passed health care reform, passed equal pay for equal work for women, got out of Iraq, has set a timetable for Afghanistan, aggressively degraded Al Queda and the Taliban in Pakistan, killed OBL, and got rid of DADT and today came out in support of equal protection under the law for ALL Americans.
So, no accomplishments? Or just not any that you like? Big difference. What has Mitt Romney done for us lately?
(crickets)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 7:20:20pm |
re: #61 austin_blue
Romney doesn't currently hold office. What could he have done in 2009-2011, other than give to charity?
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McSpiff Wed, May 9, 2012 7:21:24pm |
re: #62 Dark_Falcon
Romney doesn't currently hold office. What could he have done in 2009-2011, other than give to charity?
Not publicly said stupid shit?
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 7:21:59pm |
re: #59 jaunte
Compared to $700 billion for Iraq, it seems like a bargain.
No connection.
The average wage for each job, taken over a reasonable time period would be much higher than $14,000.
It was a responsible solution to a large problem.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 9, 2012 7:23:15pm |
re: #62 Dark_Falcon
Romney doesn't currently hold office. What could he have done in 2009-2011, other than give to charity?
He could have not been advocating let one of the mainstays of Americas economy collapse.
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Gus Wed, May 9, 2012 7:23:22pm |
re: #7 rwmofo
Ths s grt xmpl f hw dsprt th Md/Dmcrt prt r nw. Th cn't llstrt n ctl ccmplshmnts b th bm dmnstrtn, s t's "h lk! sqrrl!" ...nd ths s cmpgn d? Hh. Hlrs.
What?
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austin_blue Wed, May 9, 2012 7:25:00pm |
re: #62 Dark_Falcon
Romney doesn't currently hold office. What could he have done in 2009-2011, other than give to charity?
Read his post gain:
"This is a great example of how desperate the Media/Democrat party are now. They can't illustrate any actual accomplishments by the Obama administration, so it's "Oh look! A squirrel!" ...and this is a campaign ad? Heh. Hilarious."
See how I responded to the meat of his post? See how I asked him to list accomplishments by Mittens? Did you notice that the Obama ad squarely addresses his Hypocrisy? That ain't yelling "squirrel!!" and that ain't desperation. That's comparing a President with a waffling lightweight.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 7:25:08pm |
re: #65 jamesfirecat
He could have been not advocating let one of the mainstays of Americas economy collapse.
Preview Is Your Friend, young man.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 7:26:35pm |
re: #67 austin_blue
I don't see Romney as a "lightweight", but I take your point. As a Troll Hammer, its a decent post.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 9, 2012 7:28:21pm |
re: #68 Dark_Falcon
Preview Is Your Friend, young man.
Care to address the content of my statement? I mean where do you stand on the auto bailout DF, I can't recall you commenting on it one way or another recently....
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 7:28:58pm |
re: #70 austin_blue
Hahahaha!
Clever boots.
Disemvoweling. An approved anti-troll tactic first rolled out here in 2009, if I remember correctly.
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Gus Wed, May 9, 2012 7:32:18pm |
I like the music in the Obama ad. Romney of course is making a fool out of himself.
In other news. All the counties with universities in North Carolina voted against Amendment 1.
Important information: twitpic.com/9jasc5— Brasilmagic (@Brasilmagic) May 10, 2012
Education pays.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 7:33:10pm |
re: #71 jamesfirecat
Care to address the content of my statement? I mean where do you stand on the auto bailout DF, I can't recall you commenting on it one way or another recently...
No, I was just addressing the grammar. I'm not eager to discuss the topic of the thread. I'll chit-chat, and address other topics if they come up, but I feel no great urge to walk onto the mine field that is the auto-bailout.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 9, 2012 7:34:18pm |
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
No, I was just addressing the grammar. I'm not eager to discuss the topic of the thread. I'll chit-chat, and address other topics if they come up, but I feel no great urge to walk onto the mine field that is the auto-bailout.
What minefiled?
It worked.
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Gus Wed, May 9, 2012 7:36:07pm |
Same-sex marriage had majority support—majorities voted against Amendment One--in seven of North Carolina’s 100 counties. They were Orange County (Chapel Hill, University of North Carolina), where 79% voted no; Durham County (Duke University), 70%, Wake County (Raleigh, state capital, North Carolina State University), 57%; Mecklenburg County (Charlotte), 54%; Chatham County (adjacent to the first three counties listed above), 51%; Buncombe County (Asheville), 51%; and Watauga County (Appalachian State University), 51%.
In addition, the same-sex marriage position came very close to prevailing in Guilford County (Greensboro, High Point), 49.97%; New Hanover County (Wilmington), 49.6%; Dare County (Outer Banks), 48%; and Forsyth County (Winston-Salem), 47%.
In other words, voters in the central counties of the state’s big metropolitan areas and in counties dominated by university towns on balance favored same-sex marriage. These 11 counties account for 42% of the votes cast statewide. Overall 56% for same-sex marriage. The other 89 counties, which cast 58% of the votes, voted 73% against same-sex marriage.
I split that up into 3 paragraphs.
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danarchy Wed, May 9, 2012 7:37:04pm |
re: #49 goddamnedfrank
Headline not withstanding, the content of the article makes it pretty clear he thought the government had a significant role to play in a managed bankruptcy.
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Robert O. Wed, May 9, 2012 7:44:21pm |
re: #78 Gus
Thanks for the stats, the pattern is exactly what I thought. All the respectable metropolitan areas with universities, technology sectors, research centers, financial sectors, were for marriage equality. All the other areas don't...
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 7:53:00pm |
re: #80 Robert O.
Thanks for the stats, the pattern is exactly what I thought. All the respectable metropolitan areas with universities, technology sectors, research centers, financial sectors, were for marriage equality. All the other areas don't...
Those are all dens of ivory tower elites who haven't done an honest day's work.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 7:55:11pm |
re: #80 Robert O.
Thanks for the stats, the pattern is exactly what I thought. All the respectable metropolitan areas with universities, technology sectors, research centers, financial sectors, were for marriage equality. All the other areas don't...
Are you saying rural areas are not respectable? Because your post can be read to mean that.
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 7:59:07pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
Are you saying rural areas are not respectable? Because your post can be read to mean that.
I'm not sure about respectable, but up here, rural tends toward pronounced provincial attitudes.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:00:30pm |
Obdi--you still here
So proper latin would be: Canis est lectum?
doesn't work for a t-shirt
I'll go with Choice Dog.
I like the Pun
Thanks for your help.
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 8:02:27pm |
re: #87 ggt
Obdi--you still here
So proper latin would be: Canis est lectum?
doesn't work for a t-shirt
I'll go with Choice Dog.
I like the Pun
Thanks for your help.
Canus est rectum.
"Don't dog me, bro"
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Obdicut Wed, May 9, 2012 8:03:26pm |
re: #87 ggt
Canis est lectum would mean 'The dog is the bed'. If you mean to say that he's a couch dog in the adjectival sense, then Canis lecti works, that's how it'd be in 'scientific' Latin.
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 8:03:38pm |
re: #90 Gus
That's cool. That's why MY brain is attached to MY hands. //
Each of my brains is attached to each of my hands.
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Gus Wed, May 9, 2012 8:04:22pm |
re: #94 Cathartic Expression
Each of my brains is attached to each of my hands.
Like a cow has stomachs.
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Obdicut Wed, May 9, 2012 8:06:17pm |
re: #95 Gus
At the root of each tentacle of an octopus is a complex mini-brain; it's possible that their neurological structure is such that they really are a consensus organism.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 8:06:36pm |
re: #93 Obdicut
Canis est lectum would mean 'The dog is the bed'. If you mean to say that he's a couch dog in the adjectival sense, then Canis lecti works, that's how it'd be in 'scientific' Latin.
OK, now this is officially the Grammar Thread.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:07:35pm |
re: #44 dragonfire1981
And now the latest from the "imagine that!" department:
I just can't imagine why blacks, women and minorities aren't interested in voting GOP...
That would be tomorrow's t-shirt Rant (Economics 102)
Tonite's is not yet uploaded to cafepress. Although, I still think it applies to your statement.
I'm thinking seriously of switching to zazzle.com. They seem to have a better offering of products.
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Gus Wed, May 9, 2012 8:07:55pm |
re: #96 Obdicut
At the root of each tentacle of an octopus is a complex mini-brain; it's possible that their neurological structure is such that they really are a consensus organism.
Hmm. That's sort of like the male human penis.
//
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Obdicut Wed, May 9, 2012 8:08:28pm |
re: #99 Gus
I think it's more similar to the female human penis.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:08:48pm |
re: #45 Bear
OT but have you looked at this? I really do not like this but other nations do own/invest in US banks and companies. [Link: ca.news.yahoo.com...]
It's a global economy. The Soros -Open Society-fearing Whackos haven't yet figure it out.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 8:13:14pm |
re: #101 ggt
It's a global economy. The Soros -Open Society-fearing Whackos haven't yet figure it out.
It's not just them. There are a lot of people who feel that globalization has worsened their lives.
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Obdicut Wed, May 9, 2012 8:15:19pm |
There are three times as many states that don't directly prohibit sex with animals, than there are states that allow gay marriage.
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 8:16:30pm |
re: #103 Obdicut
There are three times as many states that don't directly prohibit sex with animals, than there are states that allow gay marriage.
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]
Sometimes old goats can be fun.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 9, 2012 8:17:17pm |
re: #62 Dark_Falcon
Romney doesn't currently hold office. What could he have done in 2009-2011, other than give to charity?
He can't have it both ways. If he want's to take credit for decisions he was in no way involved with, and in fact advised against he can account for the rest of his actions during this period.
re: #79 danarchy
Headline not withstanding, the content of the article makes it pretty clear he thought the government had a significant role to play in a managed bankruptcy.
In 2012 Romney made it clear that he still thought Obama should not have stepped in:
A labor union that had contributed millions to Democrats and his election campaign was granted an ownership share of Chrysler and a major stake in GM, two flagships of the industry.The U.S. Department of Treasury — American taxpayers — was asked to become a majority stockholder of GM. And a politically connected and ethically challenged Obama-campaign contributor, the financier Steven Rattner, was asked to preside over all this as auto czar.
This was crony capitalism on a grand scale. The president tells us that without his intervention things in Detroit would be worse. I believe that without his intervention things there would be better.
That's pretty unambiguous, Romney is saying there that the specific structural decisions Obama made with regards to the bankruptcy itself were wrong and that he shouldn't have intervened.
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austin_blue Wed, May 9, 2012 8:19:11pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
It's not just them. There are a lot of people who feel that globalization has worsened their lives.
Railing against globalization is like spitting into the wind or planting ice. Deal with it. You have no choice. All you are going to get is spit back in your face or a harvest of wind.
(Obscure Franklin's Tower reference.)
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Kragar Wed, May 9, 2012 8:22:01pm |
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austin_blue Wed, May 9, 2012 8:23:54pm |
re: #107 Kragar
GOP Freshman Breaks With His Party To Support Planned Parenthood Funding
Oh, he is so fucked.
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Lidane Wed, May 9, 2012 8:25:33pm |
re: #107 Kragar
GOP Freshman Breaks With His Party To Support Planned Parenthood Funding
Good luck to him. Given the batshit crazy GOP base, he won't be re-elected.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:27:02pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
It's not just them. There are a lot of people who feel that globalization has worsened their lives.
Well, it seems to me that fighting change that has already happened is futile. We can't pick-and-choose the change to which we have to adapt.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 8:28:00pm |
re: #108 austin_blue
Oh, he is so fucked.
Maybe not. IL-10 is a moderate district pushed to the left by Illinois Dems redistricting shenanigans (I've called out Texas Republicans for redistricting shenanigans, too, so I can say this without hypocrisy.) Before the redistricting and his election to the Senate, IL-10 was Mark Kirk's district, and he's pro-choice. So Dold may be able to to do this and keep his seat.
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SpaceJesus Wed, May 9, 2012 8:28:27pm |
Freep reacts to the news that Obama's daughters influenced his stance
To: tobyhill
ah... that's sweet.. little carpet munchers. Maybe they'll turn out like Chaz Bono. I guess we can only wait and see.what a bunch of freaks. It's like I'm living in an alternate universe where being a homosexual, communist, lying , drug addict is looked upon as "good" and being a Christian parent that remains faithful and married is ostracized for being "racist and intolerant "
74 posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:29:32 PM by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: tobyhill
Sasha and Malia influenced his stance on same-sex marriage...They are both lesbians then?
Rotten apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it?
81 posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:36:05 PM by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: tobyhill
Right, I am sure their views are simply a reflection of his anyways.
Would he let Sasha and Malia marry each other?
32 posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:50:41 PM by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: tobyhill
So, not only is he gay but his daughters are as well? Breathtaking.
50 posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:06:52 PM by kaehurowing
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[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 8:29:06pm |
re: #109 Lidane
Good luck to him. Given the batshit crazy GOP base, he won't be re-elected.
He has already been renominated, and SoCons are thin on the ground in his district.
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Mich-again Wed, May 9, 2012 8:29:07pm |
re: #106 austin_blue
Railing against globalization is like spitting into the wind or planting ice. Deal with it. You have no choice.
I agree for the most part but there are situations where globalization is not all good. For example if your Nation has strong environmental protection laws and worker safety regulations and another Nation lets factories dump pollution into the air and water and doesn't mind when they kill off workers in unsafe factories, than it doesn't make so much sense to let that other nation import into your market and undermine your own economy. This is a very real problem.
If we are concerned about the environment that we increase costs on our own businesses but then we turn a blind eye and let other nations who don't care about the pollution sell their products here what did we accomplish except undermine our own economic base?
So its not as simple as saying deal with it, you have no choice..
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austin_blue Wed, May 9, 2012 8:29:38pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
Maybe not. IL-10 is a moderate district pushed to the left by Illinois Dems redistricting shenanigans (I've called out Texas Republicans for redistricting shenanigans, too, so I can say this without hypocrisy.) Before the redistricting and his election to the Senate, IL-10 was Mark Kirk's district, and he's pro-choice. So Dold may be able to to do this and keep his seat.
Not without money. And he just forfeited his funds.
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freetoken Wed, May 9, 2012 8:29:44pm |
I couldn't help but notice they used a classic sounding piece of Cha-Cha music for the background.
Cha-cha-cha...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:30:24pm |
re: #108 austin_blue
Oh, he is so fucked.
Depends --he is in the 10th Congressional District --North Shore Suburbs of Chicago.
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 8:31:14pm |
re: #112 SpaceJesus
Freep reacts to the news that Obama's daughters influenced his stance
[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
Freeps have a large empty space where their empathy should be.
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Lidane Wed, May 9, 2012 8:31:57pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
It's not just them. There are a lot of people who feel that globalization has worsened their lives.
It's a bit late to protest that. It's like protesting the passage of time.
Globalization is a consequence of the rapid changes in communications that we've seen over the last 20 years. As soon as it became as easy as turning on your computer to connect with people on the other side of the world, globalization was inevitable. That genie will never go back in the bottle.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 8:32:15pm |
re: #112 SpaceJesus
Flinging hateful insults at schoolgirls. Headline:
Free Republic hits bottom, digs.
Next week's headline:
2 Dozen Free Republic commentators dig up from underground in China, emerging near Nanjing.
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Lidane Wed, May 9, 2012 8:32:47pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
He has already been renominated, and SoCons are thin on the ground in his district.
And he just gave them a fundraising driver and incentive to get out the vote against him.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 8:33:24pm |
re: #115 austin_blue
Not without money. And he just forfeited his funds.
Not as much of them as you might think. Though his district's loss of New Trier Township's GOP organization is going to hurt him.
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Mich-again Wed, May 9, 2012 8:33:31pm |
re: #112 SpaceJesus
Boy the lefties sure have been busy today planting all those hateful racist comments around the wingnutosphere just to make the teabillies look bad.
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Gus Wed, May 9, 2012 8:33:38pm |
re: #112 SpaceJesus
Freep reacts to the news that Obama's daughters influenced his stance
[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
More brain dead drivel from the patriotsphere.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:33:42pm |
re: #121 Lidane
It's a bit late to protest that. It's like protesting the passage of time.
Globalization is a consequence of the rapid changes in communications that we've seen over the last 20 years. As soon as it became as easy as turning on your computer to connect with people on the other side of the world, globalization was inevitable. That genie will never go back in the bottle.
As long as we have electricity . . .
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SpaceJesus Wed, May 9, 2012 8:34:45pm |
re: #122 Dark_Falcon
they would immediately demand to know why there are no good chinamen hanging out underneath their weed-infested backyards
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Lidane Wed, May 9, 2012 8:34:57pm |
re: #119 Cathartic Expression
Freeps have a large empty space where their empathy should be.
Empathy is for weak, pansy-ass libruls and socialists. No True American cares about others, or shows any compassion.
Why do you hate America?
/Freeper
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:35:19pm |
I rather like it
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SpaceJesus Wed, May 9, 2012 8:36:06pm |
re: #126 Mich-again
Yup. Those freep accounts leftists have been secretly using since 1996. Boy do we have Jim Rob fooled.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 8:36:26pm |
re: #129 SpaceJesus
they would immediately demand to know why there are no good chinamen hanging out underneath their weed-infested backyards
Indeed. Then they'd end up in a Chinese prison and they'd wonder why. Bunch of useless, unthinking bigots.
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austin_blue Wed, May 9, 2012 8:36:32pm |
re: #114 Mich-again
I agree for the most part but there are situations where globalization is not all good. For example if your Nation has strong environmental protection laws and worker safety regulations and another Nation lets factories dump pollution into the air and water and doesn't mind when they kill off workers in unsafe factories, than it doesn't make so much sense to let that other nation import into your market and undermine your own economy. This is a very real problem.
If we are concerned about the environment that we increase costs on our own businesses but then we turn a blind eye and let other nations who don't care about the pollution sell their products here?
So its not as simple as saying deal with it, you have no choice..
I don't disagree! But the fact is that other nations don't have worker protection and environmental laws similar to ours and *there is nothing we can do about it*.
Would it be great if there was a planetary even playing field? Of course. But that is *not* the world we live in.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:38:08pm |
re: #134 austin_blue
I don't disagree! But the fact is that other nations don't have worker protection and environmental laws similar to ours and *there is nothing we can do about it*.
Would it be great if there was a planetary even playing field? Of course. But that is *not* the world we live in.
If we don't welcome them into the global marketplace we have NO chance to influence change in their countries.
IIRC there was policy or legislation recently passed that required Chinese companies that did business with the US to work with various US Government Departments to implement change. --?
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austin_blue Wed, May 9, 2012 8:38:39pm |
re: #121 Lidane
It's a bit late to protest that. It's like protesting the passage of time.
Globalization is a consequence of the rapid changes in communications that we've seen over the last 20 years. As soon as it became as easy as turning on your computer to connect with people on the other side of the world, globalization was inevitable. That genie will never go back in the bottle.
Ding ding ding!
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 8:39:31pm |
re: #130 Lidane
Empathy is for weak, pansy-ass libruls and socialists. No True American cares about others, or shows any compassion.
Why do you hate America?
/Freeper
It makes them immoral.
So much for them being better than atheists/pagans/Muslims/Hindus/etc..
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palomino Wed, May 9, 2012 8:39:36pm |
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
No, I was just addressing the grammar. I'm not eager to discuss the topic of the thread. I'll chit-chat, and address other topics if they come up, but I feel no great urge to walk onto the mine field that is the auto-bailout.
OK, I get it, the issue's too controversial. So how do you feel about same sex marriage? No controversy there, right?
Isn't a minefield of sorts the whole purpose of commenters giving a variety of opinions on a blog like this? Within civil bounds of discussion of course.
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 8:40:28pm |
Doubt we will see Romney doing interviews like this anytime soon with Obama: twitpic.com/9jb5m4
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) May 10, 2012
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CarleeCork Wed, May 9, 2012 8:41:46pm |
re: #25 rwmofo
This is also a reminder of the problems that can result from unions distancing themselves far away from reality. Fortunately, the positive steps we've seen recently in Wisconsin illustrate the kind of progress that can optimally be implemented on a much larger scale - which will provide tax relief to all of us.
When will you comment on the disparity between workers and CEO's? Turn off FAUX NOISE and think for yourself.
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Mich-again Wed, May 9, 2012 8:41:52pm |
One observation about globalization.. I spent a couple weeks in Thailand helping a factory there solve some production issues. Their labor is cheap, about $10 per day. But they used 6-8 times as many people as a similar plant in the States would use for the same operations. Contrary to what the folks who know nothing say about what happens in American factories, our workers here are highly productive. As time goes on, their wages will creep up and the extra manpower will have to go away. Another thing is that energy is often a bigger part of the cost of a product than labor and in the developing world where labor is cheap, energy usually isn't.
The companies that made a mad dash to offshore jobs will soon enough begin to realize that the cost advantage will continue shrinking until its gone.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:44:00pm |
re: #143 Mich-again
One observation about globalization.. I spent a couple weeks in Thailand helping a factory there solve some production issues. Their labor is cheap, about $10 per day. But they used 6-8 times as many people as a similar plant in the States would use for the same operations. Contrary to what the folks who know nothing say about what happens in American factories, our workers here are highly productive. As time goes on, their wages will creep up and the extra manpower will have to go away. Another thing is that energy is often a bigger part of the cost of a product than labor and in the developing world where labor is cheap, energy usually isn't.
The companies that made a mad dash to offshore jobs will soon enough begin to realize that the cost advantage will continue shrinking until its gone.
I call that "evolution" of a sorts.
Each group has to make the trek from tribe to advanced society in their own way and in their own time. Prime Directive and all that. Not being flippant, I don't think it can work any other way and be a lasting change.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 9, 2012 8:44:34pm |
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jaunte Wed, May 9, 2012 8:45:26pm |
re: #145 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
His flip flopping is just so... comprehensive.
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austin_blue Wed, May 9, 2012 8:46:06pm |
re: #126 Mich-again
Boy the lefties sure has been busy today planting all those hateful racist comments around the wingnutosphere just to make the teabillies look bad.
No shit, my man. I can't tell you how much work it has been the last twelve hours (through a temporal time fugue program I invented of reproducing myself into twenty separate individuals) posting Evil posts on Wingnut sites to attempt to make them look like total whack jobs.
My virtual fingers are bleeding!!!
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Kragar Wed, May 9, 2012 8:47:01pm |
re: #144 ggt
I call that "evolution" of a sorts.
Each group has to make the trek from tribe to advanced society in their own way and in their own time. Prime Directive and all that. Not being flippant, I don't think it can work any other way and be a lasting change.
The whole prime directive deal is nonsense. Any interaction with a culture influences how it will operate. Either you choose to work with other cultures or you pick isolationism.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 8:48:00pm |
re: #123 Lidane
And he just have them a fundraising driver and incentive to get out the vote against him.
Get out what vote? You can only purge a congressman as a RINO if the Republicans in his district see him as a RINO, and those in Dold's district are unlikely to do so over funding for Planned Parenthood.
The other thing this bill does, and frankly its the bigger thing, is that it neutralizes his Democratic challenger, Brad Schneider,'s ability to charge Dold with being part of a "GOP War on Women". Dold just clearly stated "Ladies, I have no designs upon your uteri.", and given that PP clinics do serve poorer residents of North Chicago* and Zion, this may reduce the desire of those who use such clinics to vote against him. It will likely also keep him out of NARAL's gunsights.
*: North Chicago is a Lake County our suburb of Chicago. There is also a South Chicago, West Chicago, and East Chicago. East Chicago is in Indiana, all the others are in Illinois.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 8:49:20pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:49:24pm |
re: #148 Kragar
The whole prime directive deal is nonsense. Any interaction with a culture influences how it will operate. Either you choose to work with other cultures or you pick isolationism.
sorry, if I didn't make my point clear enough --
I don't believe we can force change --societies have to mature at their own pace.
Interacting with others will make change inevitable.
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austin_blue Wed, May 9, 2012 8:50:15pm |
re: #149 Dark_Falcon
Get out what vote? You can only purge a congressman as a RINO if the Republicans in his district see him as a RINO, and those in Dold's district are unlikely to do so over funding for Planned Parenthood.
The other thing this bill does, and frankly its the bigger thing, is that it neutralizes his Democratic challenger, Brad Schneider,'s ability to charge Dold with being part of a "GOP War on Women". Dold just clearly stated "Ladies, I have no designs upon your uteri.", and given that PP clinics do serve poorer residents of North Chicago* and Zion, this may reduce the desire of those who use such clinics to vote against him. It will likely also keep him out of NARAL's gunsights.
*: North Chicago is a Lake County our suburb of Chicago. There is also a South Chicago, West Chicago, and East Chicago. East Chicago is in Indiana, all the others are in Illinois.
Fair point. You are in Illinois, I'm in Texas. You know the local politics better than I do. I just fear for moderate R's in general.
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Interesting Times Wed, May 9, 2012 8:50:39pm |
This guy needs to be the marriage equality mascot i.imgur.com/AaqUP.jpg— Matt Osborne (@OsborneInk) May 10, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, May 9, 2012 8:50:55pm |
Turner Classic Movies.
Robert Osborne's voice=velvet. Then the old great flick.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 9, 2012 8:52:00pm |
I'm tired and my hands still hurt. I don't have what it takes to contribute tonite.
I'm getting off the computer and going to bed soon.
Have a great one all!
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freetoken Wed, May 9, 2012 8:52:57pm |
One of the creationist idiocies of they day comes from NRO, and is inter-twined with AGW denialism, brought forward by none other than Cato hack Patrick Michaels, who titled his piece "Guilt by Association; Let’s stop conflating the creationist hoi polloi with skeptical climate scientists."
Imagine that, those nasty people which Michaels labels the "left" are trying guilt-by-association on Michaels' buddies.
But wait... let's see what Michaels wrote:
[
...]
Note to the Left on this one: No one — scientist or otherwise — has yet come up with the definitive explanation of the first life forms on earth. There is no conclusive bridge between self-replicating molecules capable of mutation (a definition of life) and the primordial, lifeless, dimly-lit planet Earth of some 3 billion years ago. So even the most erudite thinkers must resort to aliens, life-bearing comets, God — or, in my case, beats-the-heck-out-of-me.
[...]
Wait... what's that again, Michaels throws in "God" making the first, and aliens too?
This is just standard clap from the anti-rationalist atavists.
Michaels is explicitly committing the very faulty, and dishonest, thinking of which he is whining that he and others are unfairly accused!
My solace comes from the comments over there, seeing that the few who have commented on this (hyped on the front page of NRO for a while) are stuck arguing about creationism.
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Mich-again Wed, May 9, 2012 8:53:46pm |
Here is an interesting billboard I saw in Thailand. Mitt and his minions would scoff at it, but it made me say wow! cool billboard..
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freetoken Wed, May 9, 2012 8:55:15pm |
Effectively, Michaels has accomplished inter-twining AGW denialism and creationism on NRO's very own website!
This is hilarious.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 8:58:10pm |
re: #157 Mich-again
Here is an interesting billboard I saw in Thailand. Mitt and his minions would scoff at it, but it made me say wow! cool billboard..
Link did not work.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 9:00:38pm |
re: #152 austin_blue
Fair point. You are in Illinois, I'm in Texas. You know the local politics better than I do. I just fear for moderate R's in general.
It's not an irrational fear.
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freetoken Wed, May 9, 2012 9:01:16pm |
re: #159 Dark_Falcon
Link did not work.
Didn't for me either, but if you go up one level in the URL you find an interesting picture:
[Link: picasaweb.google.com...]
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goddamnedfrank Wed, May 9, 2012 9:01:50pm |
re: #149 Dark_Falcon
Get out what vote? You can only purge a congressman as a RINO if the Republicans in his district see him as a RINO, and those in Dold's district are unlikely to do so over funding for Planned Parenthood.
The other thing this bill does, and frankly its the bigger thing, is that it neutralizes his Democratic challenger, Brad Schneider,'s ability to charge Dold with being part of a "GOP War on Women". Dold just clearly stated "Ladies, I have no designs upon your uteri.", and given that PP clinics do serve poorer residents of North Chicago* and Zion, this may reduce the desire of those who use such clinics to vote against him. It will likely also keep him out of NARAL's gunsights.
*: North Chicago is a Lake County our suburb of Chicago. There is also a South Chicago, West Chicago, and East Chicago. East Chicago is in Indiana, all the others are in Illinois.
The problem Dold is going to face now is that Republicans outside his district are going to be far less likely to send him money. Also Mitt Romney who officially wants to defund PP and who's coattails in Chicago aren't big to begin with isn't going to spend much time or effort supporting him. After redistricting Dold now finds himself in enemy territory with Obama's nationwide campaign HQ camped uncomfortably close.
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darthstar Wed, May 9, 2012 9:03:43pm |
re: #161 freetoken
Didn't for me either, but if you go up one level in the URL you find an interesting picture:
[Link: picasaweb.google.com...]
OMG! Harley Davidsons and Bob Marley are Che Guevara Hitler! I knew there was a connection!
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b_sharp Wed, May 9, 2012 9:04:59pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
Is he stoned or just stupid?
If this is the quality of Rush listener,...
Paul Chrastina · Top Commenter
"Pew: Fully 72% of those who said they regularly listen to Limbaugh were men while just 28% were women."Do the math---
28% of a 20,000,000 weekly audience is 5.6 MILLION WOMEN !
Is not 5.6 MILLION a "huge number of women who choose to listen to Rush".
A weekly audience is a cumulative number for a 7 day period. That makes the audience at any given time 20,000,000/5 (I assume he broadcasts 5 days a week) making the daily audience an average of 4,000,000. 28% of 4,000,000 is 1,120,000 which is a bit less than 5.6 mil.
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darthstar Wed, May 9, 2012 9:05:21pm |
re: #164 freetoken
You forgot Elvis. He's the link.
Ah, yes...right next to the marijuana (of course).
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Mich-again Wed, May 9, 2012 9:06:42pm |
re: #159 Dark_Falcon
re: #163 darthstar
OMG! Harley Davidsons and Bob Marley are Che Guevara Hitler! I knew there was a connection!
Yeah, that place I stayed was chock full of Europeans. The vendors cater to them. Americans were few and far between. I thought the mix of themes was interesting. I think the other picture is open now.. It was locked..
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 9:08:51pm |
re: #162 goddamnedfrank
The problem Dold is going to face now is that Republicans outside his district are going to be far less likely to send him money. Also Mitt Romney who officially wants to defund PP and who's coattails in Chicago aren't big to begin with isn't going to spend much time or effort supporting him. After redistricting Dold now finds himself in enemy territory with Obama's nationwide campaign HQ camped uncomfortably close.
Which is part of why he's doing this. It doesn't matter what it costs him money wise, if Dold plays to social conservatives he's toast. Romney wouldn't be of any help anyways in Obama's home state. Robert Dold's best chance is run as his own man.
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austin_blue Wed, May 9, 2012 9:09:17pm |
re: #166 darthstar
Ah, yes...right next to the marijuana (of course).
Singha, Coca Cola, and Jack Daniels. Appeallng to the masses is a core feature of capitalism.
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Mich-again Wed, May 9, 2012 9:10:13pm |
re: #165 Cathartic Expression
There is an old lady who is the receptionist at a supplier I visit once a week. She is always listening to Rush on her radio at the desk. I told her Tuesday, you know, listening to that idiot yapping all day will make you dumb.. And she was floored but couldn't say anything back to the customer.. ha
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 9:10:57pm |
re: #165 Cathartic Expression
If this is the quality of Rush listener,...
A weekly audience is a cumulative number for a 7 day period. That makes the audience at any given time 20,000,000/5 (I assume he broadcasts 5 days a week) making the daily audience an average of 4,000,000. 28% of 4,000,000 is 1,120,000 which is a bit less than 5.6 mil.
Step right up and be a babe for El Rushbo! Right this way ladies, to be leered at by a fat lunatic who thinks you're all sluts!
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darthstar Wed, May 9, 2012 9:11:06pm |
re: #168 Dark_Falcon
Which is part of why he's doing this. It doesn't matter what it costs him money wise, if Dold plays to social conservatives he's toast. Romney wouldn't be of any help anyways in Obama's home state. Robert Dold's best chance is run as his own man.
You should give him more money...as much as you can. Give Romney money too...lots of it. More. No, I mean a lot more, damnit. Give until your dick goes limp and you can't give any more. That's it. They love it when you give like that...means they don't have to pay that shit off later after they lose.
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freetoken Wed, May 9, 2012 9:13:57pm |
Yes, YECers can change (even if many will not.) A good article to this effect was written a couple of days ago and has rung Ken Ham's bell:
When Ham has to write a blog entry dismissing someone who has left his flock, no doubt that person has hit a bulls-eye.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, May 9, 2012 9:14:19pm |
re: #173 darthstar
Darthstar = Troller
Troller is looking for a response...ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone...ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless - practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters.
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darthstar Wed, May 9, 2012 9:15:15pm |
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Tigger2 Wed, May 9, 2012 9:17:00pm |
re: #25 rwmofo
This is also a reminder of the problems that can result from unions distancing themselves far away from reality. Fortunately, the positive steps we've seen recently in Wisconsin illustrate the kind of progress that can optimally be implemented on a much larger scale - which will provide tax relief to all of us.
Your comments are just stupid as shit.
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darthstar Wed, May 9, 2012 9:17:52pm |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
Darthstar = Troller
Oh, and I know you think you know something about Chicago politics because you live there, but what you said made almost no sense...so I said you should give more money to Dolt. No, more money...that's it...until your dick goes limp from giving...blah blah blah... Because you know that's what you need to do.
It wasn't about trolling. It was about mocking. I enjoy mocking you, DF...mostly because you're such a willing target...but that doesn't mean I don't love you. I do. Not like that, of course...ick...but I do love you.
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darthstar Wed, May 9, 2012 9:18:49pm |
re: #179 Cathartic Expression
And far less useful.
True...I can think of several practical applications for shit.
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prairiefire Wed, May 9, 2012 9:28:32pm |
I am soo happy about President Obama's support for gay marriage.
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darthstar Wed, May 9, 2012 9:30:14pm |
Holy shit...my wife just came out in a dress she bought today...fuckin' gorgeous...I asked how much it cost ($350)...but then she showed me the tag...originally $1200. And did I say it was fuckin' gorgeous on her?
The other two she showed weren't that much...Thank god Niemann Marcus has an outlet.
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darthstar Wed, May 9, 2012 9:30:27pm |
re: #181 prairiefire
I am soo happy about President Obama's support for gay marriage.
It's a good fuckin' day.
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Kragar Wed, May 9, 2012 9:35:44pm |
11 Sounds You Need To Hear Before You Die
Your free sample; a turtle having sex with a shoe.
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Lidane Wed, May 9, 2012 10:05:18pm |
I'm sure the wingnuts will react to this calmly and coherently:
Gay Former Romney Staffer: Obama ‘On The Right Side Of History’
Richard Grenell, the openly gay former Bush administration official who wa Mitt Romney’s national security spokesperson for a couple weeks before resigning under pressure from social conservatives upset with his hiring, praised President Obama for publicly supporting same sex marriage Wednesday. Grenell, who is an advocate for same sex marriage, told Metro Weekly Obama “deserves credit for finally taking a stand in favor of equality.”
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EdDantes Wed, May 9, 2012 10:57:20pm |
I have lamp shades made of human skin. Is that weird?
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EdDantes Wed, May 9, 2012 11:06:27pm |
re: #188 EdDantes
I have lamp shades made of human skin. Is that weird?
I apologize for that. It just occurred to me that that has a demonic Nazi provenance. I'm going to bed now.
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dragonath Wed, May 9, 2012 11:11:23pm |
I was shocked to find that there was a German film made in 1919 that fought the criminalization of homosexuality. Who would have thought?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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AK-47% Wed, May 9, 2012 11:25:55pm |
This gay marriage thing is like the arguments against contraception or the "controvery" surrounding evolution: Why are we still having these discussions in the XXIst century?
To me it is quite clear: as long as you are not infringing on anybody else's rights or safety, then you are free to do whatever the heck pleases you. That is how I define the Pursuit of Happiness.
If gay marriage truly is an abomination against God, then let God settle with them in the afterlife, but in this life, we have to let them do as they please.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 12:25:14am |
I see a lot of conservative crowing about a majority of black North Carolinians having voted in favor of Amendment 1, especially in the context of PBO's announcement in favor of same-sex marriage. It seems suspect to me, though, whether that crowing is justified. I wish OhCrap was here…
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 12:25:48am |
re: #193 freetoken
Do you got e-mail?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 12:36:16am |
Popular sovereignty over civil rights issues in the South… hm…
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AK-47% Thu, May 10, 2012 1:49:43am |
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researchok Thu, May 10, 2012 2:04:58am |
I don't believe he'll take a hit at the ballot box for this, at least not from the minority community.
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freetoken Thu, May 10, 2012 2:12:33am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 2:17:19am |
re: #156 freetoken
One of the creationist idiocies of they day comes from NRO, and is inter-twined with AGW denialism, brought forward by none other than Cato hack Patrick Michaels, who titled his piece "Guilt by Association; Let’s stop conflating the creationist hoi polloi with skeptical climate scientists."
Imagine that, those nasty people which Michaels labels the "left" are trying guilt-by-association on Michaels' buddies.
But wait... let's see what Michaels wrote:
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Wait... what's that again, Michaels throws in "God" making the first, and aliens too?
This is just standard clap from the anti-rationalist atavists.
Michaels is explicitly committing the very faulty, and dishonest, thinking of which he is whining that he and others are unfairly accused!
My solace comes from the comments over there, seeing that the few who have commented on this (hyped on the front page of NRO for a while) are stuck arguing about creationism.
In all fairness, I find his Note only slightly flawed.
Note to the Left on this one: No one — scientist or otherwise — has yet come up with the definitive explanation of the first life forms on earth. There is no conclusive bridge between self-replicating molecules capable of mutation (a definition of life) and the primordial, lifeless, dimly-lit planet Earth of some 3 billion years ago. So even the most erudite thinkers must resort to aliens, life-bearing comets, God — or, in my case, beats-the-heck-out-of-me.
He does list my option, which is "I don't know". His fault is in giving all these options a seemingly equal treatment. We may not know at this time the exact mechanisms, but we're getting there at least.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 2:18:41am |
re: #191 Be Zorch, Daddio
I was shocked to find that there was a German film made in 1919 that fought the criminalization of homosexuality. Who would have thought?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Why were you shocked?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 2:19:57am |
re: #190 EdDantes
I apologize for that. It just occurred to me that that has a demonic Nazi provenance. I'm going to bed now.
That Nazis mass-produced human lampshades is a myth.
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AK-47% Thu, May 10, 2012 2:23:20am |
re: #205 May Day! May Day!
Why were you shocked?
The Post WWI German Weimar Republic was very culturally and artistically progressive. They promoted avant-garde art and film, nudism and free love. The Nazis put a sudden end to all that...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 2:24:04am |
re: #207 Expand Your Ground
Exactly.
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Varek Raith Thu, May 10, 2012 2:33:08am |
Mystery of F-22 illnesses grows
Even as the Air Force searches for the reason pilots are getting sick flying the F-22, a new mystery about the troubled stealth fighter jet has come to light: Why are mechanics on the ground getting sick in the plane as well?
The Air Force has been looking into a number of reports that pilots experienced "hypoxia-like symptoms" aboard F-22s since April 2008. Hypoxia is oxygen deficiency.
The Air Force reports 25 cases of such systems, including 11 since September, when the service cleared the F-22 fleet to return to flight after a four-month grounding.
The fleet was grounded in May 2011 so the service could check the hypoxia reports, but the order was lifted in September under a "return to fly" plan, with equipment modifications and new rules including daily inspections of the life-support systems.
"Early on in the return to fly we had five maintainers that reported hypoxia symptoms," Gen. Daniel Wyman, command surgeon for the Air Combat Command, said during a conference call with reporters Wednesday.
The maintainers are mechanics on the F-22's ground crews who sometimes have to be in the cockpit while the jet's engine is doing a ground run.
"The maintainers, when they are doing their ground run, are not on the mask, they are in the cockpit," Wyman said.
The problem with maintainers getting sick while on the ground throws a wrench into some of the theories about why at least 25 pilots have suffered hypoxia symptoms.
The Air Force experts trying to figure out the cause of the problem have pointed out that the F-22 flies higher and faster than its predecessors, the F-15 and F-16.
There has also been speculation that there perhaps could be a problem with the system that feeds oxygen to the pilot's mask while in flight.
Asked what is causing the symptoms in maintainers on the ground, not wearing a mask, Wyman said, "I can't answer that at this time."
Sunday, two F-22 pilots told CBS's "60 Minutes" that they would not fly the jet any more. One of the reasons they gave was that there is a problem with the carbon filter built into their mask to help remove contaminants from the air they breathe.
Wyman said that "a black dust was noted in some of the breathing hoses near the filters. We analyzed this dust and found it to be activated carbon."
But no activated carbon was found in "30 pilots who had their throat swabbed for testing."
Activated carbon is an inert form of charcoal that has been used in air filters for years.
Nonetheless, the Air Force has decided to remove carbon filters from the F-22 pilot masks.
The Air Force said Tuesday that no disciplinary action will be taken against the pilots for taking their concerns to "60 Minutes."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 2:46:57am |
re: #195 Expand Your Ground
Such a load...
Shows that not only conservatives rewrite history to conform to their agenda.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 2:59:32am |
re: #209 Varek Raith
Something is broken besides the F22. Each service has a hazard reporting system that lets anyone take suspected threats right to the (Pentagon-level) top. If that very-protected route was doing its job, these pilots would never have taken the risk of going to 60 Minutes.
[Link: www.afsec.af.mil...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 10, 2012 3:03:19am |
'One in six cancers worldwide are caused by infection'
By Michelle Roberts
Health editor, BBC News online
One in six cancers - two million a year globally - are caused by largely treatable or preventable infections, new estimates suggest.The Lancet Oncology review, which looked at incidence rates for 27 cancers in 184 countries, found four main infections are responsible.
These four - human papillomaviruses, Helicobacter pylori and hepatitis B and C viruses - account for 1.9m cases of cervical, gut and liver cancers.
Most cases are in the developing world.
The team from the International Agency for Research on Cancer in France says more efforts are needed to tackle these avoidable cases and recognise cancer as a communicable disease.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 10, 2012 3:06:00am |
More men 'have oral cancer virus'
Oral human papillomavirus (HPV) infection is more common among men than women, leading to an increased risk for men of head and neck cancers, a US study suggests.The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) study assessed around 5,500 people aged 14 to 69.
Around 10% of men had oral HPV, compared with 3.6% of women.
HPV causes the majority of cervical cancers, as well as genital and anal - and head and neck cancers.
Smoking and drinking are significant known risk factors for head and neck cancers. But oral HPV infection increases cancer risk by around 50%, according to the research team from Ohio State University Comprehensive Cancer Center
I predict this will be on Fox News as a reason to not allow gay marriage.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 3:07:45am |
re: #195 Expand Your Ground
Here's a lengthy review of Boswell's deceptive practices: [Link: www.learnedhand.com...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 3:13:51am |
re: #207 Expand Your Ground
The Post WWI German Weimar Republic was very culturally and artistically progressive. They promoted avant-garde art and film, nudism and free love. The Nazis put a sudden end to all that...
Hm. I wouldn't subscribe to that wholesale. While a majority of the country can probably be counted as culturally progressive during the Weimar Republic, especially rural areas, more conservative prussian provinces, and even tourist areas like the seaside recreational areas were very, very regressive. Kaiser-era conservatism was by no means dead.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 3:15:00am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 3:15:11am |
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 3:15:19am |
re: #210 May Day! May Day!
Even if his point were true, it'd be of the most mild historical interest. It doesn't matter much what the church did more than a thousand years ago.
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AK-47% Thu, May 10, 2012 3:15:58am |
re: #215 May Day! May Day!
Here's a lengthy review of Boswell's deceptive practices: [Link: www.learnedhand.com...]
Thanks for the further background. I was just passing on a link from a friend.
Did not look into it too closely. I am not too concerned with the historical background. There are some Christians who insist that homosexuality is incompatible with Christianity. Let them.
Religion allows us to be selective in our choice of associations. The law and the Contitution do not.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 3:19:57am |
re: #219 Obdicut
One of the major arguments of social conservatives for marriage inequality is about the old age of the traditional view of marriage. That guy seems to want to mirror that argument about length of time and turn it around in liberals' favor. Not that I agree with his methods or even with the merit of the argument. I think it's an overly simplistic assumption about conservatives's stance being that old automatically means good.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 3:20:18am |
re: #219 Obdicut
Even if his point were true, it'd be of the most mild historical interest. It doesn't matter much what the church did more than a thousand years ago.
It's a matter of perspective. To him, as a gay Catholic, it was important since if the Church's attitude has once been benevolent, it may become such again, and moreover it could be argued to be the more traditional one.
On the other hand even without various critiques the thesis is rather improbable given both testaments' condemnation of homosexuality.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 3:24:55am |
re: #222 May Day! May Day!
I think the most revealing argument from history against any specifc exclusionary stance on marriage from a christian POV is that the early church did not even bother to define liturgical standards on marriage. I used to know this more precisely, but I am pretty sure the church only defined their own standards on marriage relatively late.
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AK-47% Thu, May 10, 2012 3:25:25am |
re: #221 Unlike Some People
. I think it's an overly simplistic assumption about conservatives's stance being that old automatically means good.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 3:27:21am |
It reminds me of Michael D. Quinn's attempt to show that there were same-sex unions in early Mormon history. Quinn is an otherwise brilliant historian, but it seems he fell into the same trap, hunting for indirect hints and interpreting them to conform to his thesis.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 3:31:28am |
The subpriming of commodities
The logic is simple. If by leveraging housing stock — using the stock as collateral — the process of mortgage securitisation encouraged subprime lending to people who (arguably) couldn’t afford them, could leveraging commodities in the same way be encouraging equally uncouth lending practices?
Leave the massive commodity operators aside for a minute — though, that’s not to say they are not being impacted — and consider smaller corporate entities that utilise commodities in their daily manufacturing processes.
It’s always been common practice for commodity inventory to be financed by banks by being pledged as security for the loans in question.
The problem comes if such enterprises, instead of using the inventory for general business purposes, are encouraged to stockpile for the sole purpose of liquidity provision and the opportunity to punt on the underlying commodities themselves. It’s a process which arguably artificially pumps up demand for the underlying inventory.
Bundle all those loans together, meanwhile — ideally into a product that can be sold to buyside investors seeking exposure to commodities — and suddenly you’ve got a direct source of funding for an ever-more speculative game.
When it comes to the larger players, meanwhile, this arguably transcends ‘trade finance’ even further — especially if it involves the setting up of a large number of special purpose vehicles to accomplish the process.
[Link: ftalphaville.ft.com...]
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 3:31:37am |
re: #222 May Day! May Day!
Well, the condemnation in the New Testament comes from an apostle, not Christ-- for Christocentric Christians, that's important.
By the way, I don't know if you noticed on the old threads, but I've been looking into the Mormon polygamy issue for a bit since I realized I don't really know much about it, and I found that, theologically, they've never rejected polygamy, they've just said that the law of the land needs to be followed is an overriding commandment. I may still be wrong on this, there may be later theological work, but certainly at the time the issue was being resolved they didn't reject the practice spiritually, only because it conflicted with the law.
The interesting bit about this to me is that it's another occasion where Mormons, through being honest, actually reveal a problem in many religious outlooks. Just like their practice of offering baptism to the dead gets many outraged when, to me, it's a kinder and gentler thing than the theology of many religions that those same dead are damned to hell for all eternity or, if they're not, accepted God after their death, part of their theological backing of polygamy is based on the concept of marriage persisting into the afterlife.
Most religions have a tough time with marriage and the afterlife. The standard Catholic position is that marriage is unimportant in the afterlife, probably because there's no sex, but I'd dare say the average Catholic probably feels differently. I don't think most people are really okay with the idea of a totally sexless eternity. Maybe that's just me.
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AK-47% Thu, May 10, 2012 3:35:26am |
re: #222 May Day! May Day!
On the other hand even without various critiques the thesis is rather improbable given both testaments' condemnation of homosexuality.
It is also how one reads and views the Bible: if you are aliteralist who believes that the Scriptures were dictated by God and merely written down by human hands, then there is no question.
But if you take the historical-critical approach and look on the Scriptures as being inspired by God but written by people in a particular social and historical context, then one can advance the argument that our understanding of the nature of homosexuality (and insanity and witchcraft, miracles and other "supernatural" events etc.) has changed over the years, as must any interpretation of the Scriptures.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 3:47:32am |
re: #227 Obdicut
Well, the condemnation in the New Testament comes from an apostle, not Christ-- for Christocentric Christians, that's important.
For those Christians who do not see the whole Bible as God's word it may make the difference indeed.
By the way, I don't know if you noticed on the old threads, but I've been looking into the Mormon polygamy issue for a bit since I realized I don't really know much about it, and I found that, theologically, they've never rejected polygamy, they've just said that the law of the land needs to be followed is an overriding commandment. I may still be wrong on this, there may be later theological work, but certainly at the time the issue was being resolved they didn't reject the practice spiritually, only because it conflicted with the law.
The interesting bit about this to me is that it's another occasion where Mormons, through being honest, actually reveal a problem in many religious outlooks. Just like their practice of offering baptism to the dead gets many outraged when, to me, it's a kinder and gentler thing than the theology of many religions that those same dead are damned to hell for all eternity or, if they're not, accepted God after their death, part of their theological backing of polygamy is based on the concept of marriage persisting into the afterlife.
Most religions have a tough time with marriage and the afterlife. The standard Catholic position is that marriage is unimportant in the afterlife, probably because there's no sex, but I'd dare say the average Catholic probably feels differently. I don't think most people are really okay with the idea of a totally sexless eternity. Maybe that's just me.
Mormons don't reject polygamy as immoral. The whole thrust of D&C 132 was that you can't enter in the highest levels of the Celestial kingdom outside of the plural marriage (i.e. monogamy wouldn't do). So only the practice has been revoked, but not the principle.
Interestingly, Book of Mormon itself is anti-polygamy (which is why RLDS could take a principled stand against it early on).
What always puzzled me about the continuation of families in the afterlife is that in LDS view we are all children of God and literal brothers and sisters. Which kinda makes it awkward when your spouse(s) are your siblings, and so are your children.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 3:48:29am |
re: #228 Expand Your Ground
True, but if one starts down that path and is consistent... Well, see Ehrman.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 3:57:10am |
My friend's sixteen year old younger brother, who I'm friends with as well, just sent me an email asking me if there's scientific support for the concept of gaydar.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 4:01:28am |
re: #231 Obdicut
My friend's sixteen year old younger brother, who I'm friends with as well, just sent me an email asking me if there's scientific support for the concept of gaydar.
Teach him about statistical confidence levels and work back.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 4:02:44am |
re: #233 Decatur Deb
Teach him about statistical confidence levels and work back.
I don't actually know the answer.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 4:05:09am |
re: #233 Decatur Deb
By the way, this is probably up your comedic alley:
Society of Amateur Time Travelers Historical Updates for 9 May
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Varek Raith Thu, May 10, 2012 4:07:05am |
re: #236 Obdicut
By the way, this is probably up your comedic alley:
Society of Amateur Time Travelers Historical Updates for 9 May
Lol.
R.I.P.: Society member Terry was killed by his younger self, who was much fitter and owned a katana, when he went back in time and tried to take his old anime DVDs.
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Varek Raith Thu, May 10, 2012 4:09:51am |
Hahaha!
My fav.
Brian attempted to quit the Society in shame after a series of disastrous missteps led to Nazi Germany beating America to the Louisiana Purchase. Those actions have since been redacted from history, along with Brian's resignation.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 4:11:25am |
re: #236 Obdicut
By the way, this is probably up your comedic alley:
Society of Amateur Time Travelers Historical Updates for 9 May
Brilliant stuff. One of the reports recalls a '50s SF story in which big game hunters were allowed to travel back on time safaris to bag a T.Rex. The guides were very careful to permit slug impact only at the dino's moment of 'natural' death. It worked until a falling dino crushed a butterfly in a critical path.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 4:11:58am |
re: #237 Varek Raith
My favorite from this update:
That maniac Leonardo di Vinci was prevented from conquering Renaissance Italy with his attack helicopter again, thanks in part to Society member Steve.
And from a past one:
Society member Martin fixed a minor hiccup in history when he inadvertently introduced the concept of "high fiving" to ancient Greece, leading to a glut of regrettable (but pretty cool) painted pottery and sculpture. That has all been erased.
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Targetpractice Thu, May 10, 2012 4:14:18am |
re: #236 Obdicut
By the way, this is probably up your comedic alley:
Society of Amateur Time Travelers Historical Updates for 9 May
Society member Levi accidentally plunged the world into a technological dark age after he melted the ENIAC while overclocking it to run Quake. Society member Doug was able to undo the damage.
Heh.
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Varek Raith Thu, May 10, 2012 4:16:25am |
XD
Society member Jeff Jr. fixed an unfortunate deviation that resulted in Neil Armstrong delivering a racist and profane tirade upon first setting foot on the moon
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Targetpractice Thu, May 10, 2012 4:17:34am |
re: #239 Decatur Deb
Brilliant stuff. One of the reports recalls a '50s SF story in which big game hunters were allowed to travel back on time safaris to bag a T.Rex. The guides were very careful to permit slug impact only at the dino's moment of 'natural' death. It worked until a falling dino crushed a butterfly in a critical path.
"A Sound of Thunder" by Ray Bradbury.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, May 10, 2012 4:20:06am |
re: #239 Decatur Deb
Brilliant stuff. One of the reports recalls a '50s SF story in which big game hunters were allowed to travel back on time safaris to bag a T.Rex. The guides were very careful to permit slug impact only at the dino's moment of 'natural' death. It worked until a falling dino crushed a butterfly in a critical path.
The SyFy channel did that story as one of their made for T.V. "B" movies...I forget the title though.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 4:21:54am |
re: #227 Obdicut
This should correspond to the current view (the Mormon concept of what constitutes doctrine is pretty incoherent and is tied to current prophets, but McConkie is usually seen as authoritative):
[Link: www.lightplanet.com...]
A key passage:
At that time conditions were such that the Lord by revelation withdrew the command to continue the practice, and President Wilford Woodruff issued the Manifesto directing that it cease. (Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 213-218.) Obviously the holy practice will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man and the ushering in of the millennium. (Isa. 4.)
So Romney's 1 man - 1 woman insistence does not tell the full story.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 4:28:07am |
re: #243 Targetpractice
"A Sound of Thunder" by Ray Bradbury.
Excellent. Now what was the one about the societally-sanctioned league of wealthy headhunters who chased each other down nightly in Central Park?
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Targetpractice Thu, May 10, 2012 4:30:30am |
re: #248 Decatur Deb
Excellent. Now what was the one about the societally-sanctioned league of wealthy headhunters who chased each other down nightly in Central Park?
The 2012 GOP Primaries?
//
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, May 10, 2012 4:31:15am |
I had almost forgotten about "Private Snafu"...
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 4:31:34am |
re: #249 Targetpractice
That was a stretch but since I was drawing a blank on a better reply....+1! You're welcome.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 4:31:40am |
re: #249 Targetpractice
The 2012 GOP Primaries?
//
Could be it--you were allowed to keep the collection of anyone you 'took'.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 10, 2012 4:31:42am |
I think we are all figments of someone else's imagination.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 4:33:14am |
re: #253 ggt
I think we are all figments of someone else's imagination.
Absolutely--that's why LGF meetups would be cosmically dangerous.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 10, 2012 4:33:41am |
re: #254 Decatur Deb
Absolutely--that's why LGF meetups would be cosmically dangerous.
Especially if they occur in Denver.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 4:41:35am |
re: #250 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
I had almost forgotten about "Private Snafu"...
[Embedded content]
There is a little bit of that still surviving in the DoDefense--Preventive Maintenance Monthly.
[Link: dig.library.vcu.edu...]
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 4:46:06am |
Since I've been making fun of the president for blowing smoke during his gay marriage dance the last couple of years I feel an obligation to come out in praise of him for taking a principled stand on a contentious issue....federalism and states rights. It's a shame that his new support of states rights comes up on the wrong side of the gay marriage issue.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 4:47:12am |
re: #257 RogueOne
It's a shame that his new support of states rights comes up on the wrong side of the gay marriage issue.
In what sense?
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 4:49:25am |
re: #258 May Day! May Day!
In what sense?
A. It was a joke....
B. While I don't believe that any level of government should be involved in any relationship involving consenting adults....I think there is a good argument to be made that gay marriage bans violate the 14th amendment equal protections clause.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 4:51:20am |
re: #248 Decatur Deb
Soviet animators had much fun with Bradbury's stories.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 4:53:29am |
re: #259 RogueOne
B. While I don't believe that any level of government should be involved in any relationship involving consenting adults...
Yes, you do. You believe the government should enforce contracts.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 4:55:54am |
re: #261 Obdicut
Yes, you do. You believe the government should enforce contracts.
That's true. How about I rephrase.....I don't think personal-sexual/social unions/relationships between consenting adults need bureaucratic approval. "Make love, not paperwork."
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 4:57:17am |
re: #262 RogueOne
That's true. How about I rephrase...I don't think personal-sexual/social unions/relationships between consenting adults need bureaucratic approval. "Make love, not paperwork."
If those unions are supposed to have any legal repercussions, then obviously they do.
Try again?
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 5:02:08am |
re: #255 ggt
Time to walk the dog--here's a dog find from last night. Hit it while searching your Latin/dog question, but you had already split.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 5:02:47am |
re: #260 May Day! May Day!
Soviet animators had much fun with Bradbury's stories.
[Embedded content]
Thanks--checked the first, will get to the others when I get back. BBL.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:03:24am |
re: #263 Obdicut
I think that's pretty good. If 2 people (or 3, or 4..) want to get together and form their own contractual union then the only role for a bureaucrat would be to referee any contract dispute, not to decide if they were entitled to form the union in the first place.
But, since I'm not going to get my way on that one (govt is never going to get out of the marriage business), the last resort is the 14th Amendment which I believe is the tact Ted Olsen took in CA. I'm all for allowing the states to decide as many issues as possible amongst themselves but in this case I'm having a hard time seeing how the bans get around the equal protections clause.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:05:37am |
edited my last post for clarity. I hurt my back bad enough on tuesday that I took a muscle relaxer and a pain pill (I never take pills, hate them!) this morning. I'm feeling comfortably numb.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 10, 2012 5:06:40am |
re: #264 Decatur Deb
Time to walk the dog--here's a dog find from last night. Hit it while searching your Latin/dog question, but you had already split.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
awesome!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 10, 2012 5:07:29am |
re: #267 RogueOne
edited my last post for clarity. I hurt my back bad enough on tuesday that I took a muscle relaxer and a pain pill (I never take pills, hate them!) this morning. I'm feeling comfortably numb.
muscle relaxers do NOTHING for me.
Glad they are working for you!
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:10:39am |
re: #269 ggt
Well, I'm self medicating too so that helps. I've had those pills for quite awhile, since I had hernia surgery 3 or 4 years ago. Most pills make me heave so I just stay away from them.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 10, 2012 5:11:36am |
re: #270 RogueOne
Well, I'm self medicating too so that helps. I've had those pills for quite awhile, since I had hernia surgery 3 or 4 years ago. Most pills make me heave so I just stay away from them.
NOT GOOD to take pills that old --I'd call the pharmacist to see if they are still safe.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, May 10, 2012 5:12:19am |
back to bed
Have a great morning all!
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Targetpractice Thu, May 10, 2012 5:12:26am |
re: #267 RogueOne
edited my last post for clarity. I hurt my back bad enough on tuesday that I took a muscle relaxer and a pain pill (I never take pills, hate them!) this morning. I'm feeling comfortably numb.
Great, now I'll have that song stuck in my head for the next coupla hours.
//
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AK-47% Thu, May 10, 2012 5:16:48am |
re: #267 RogueOne
edited my last post for clarity. I hurt my back bad enough on tuesday that I took a muscle relaxer and a pain pill (I never take pills, hate them!) this morning. I'm feeling comfortably numb.
I spent a week on those once over a slipped disc.
My wife suffered greatly: all I could do was sit on the sofa with a shit-eating grin on my face. I recall at one point she was looking desperately for something.
I knew exactly where it was, but could not be bothered to tell her, I found it too amusing to watch her turn the place upside down!
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, May 10, 2012 5:17:49am |
re: #245 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
The SyFy channel did that story as one of their made for T.V. "B" movies...I forget the title though.
Found it...under the original title no less, who'd of thunk it?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:20:48am |
re: #274 Expand Your Ground
After my wife had surgery (spinal fusion) they gave her Oxycontin (hillbilly heroin). She took it one time, sat on the couch staring at the wall for 12 hours and never took it again.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, May 10, 2012 5:22:40am |
re: #274 Expand Your Ground
I spent a week on those once over a slipped disc.
My wife suffered greatly: all I could do was sit on the sofa with a shit-eating grin on my face. I recall at one point she was looking desperately for something.
I knew exactly where it was, but could not be bothered to tell her, I found it too amusing to watch her turn the place upside down!
Flexeril and Hydrocodone together can make you just as "Don't give a shit" as the Honey Badger...
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 5:24:14am |
re: #276 RogueOne
After my wife had surgery (spinal fusion) they gave her Oxycontin (hillbilly heroin). She took it one time, sat on the couch staring at the wall for 12 hours and never took it again.
Damn. Limbaugh should not have climbed off this stuff. Would be better if he sat on his yacht the whole day staring into space.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:24:45am |
Someone (who isn't me!///) had access to Oxycontin and had heard all the stories so he decided to see what the hype was all about. He took a pill, crushed it up, and snorted it....took 2 hits off a pipe and within minutes was to screwed up to get out of his chair for hours. Hated it! I don't see how people can do that to themselves day in and day out.
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AK-47% Thu, May 10, 2012 5:25:42am |
re: #277 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Flexeril and Hydrocodone together can make you just as "Don't give a shit" as the Honey Badger...
/
Just not as active.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:26:25am |
re: #278 May Day! May Day!
Damn. Limbaugh should not have climbed off this stuff. Would be better if he sat on his yacht the whole day staring into space.
Well, oxy probably really screwed with his viagra addiction. What's the point of having a 4 hour boner if you can't get off the couch?
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 5:28:20am |
re: #278 May Day! May Day!
I really don't like opiates. My brothers love them. I don't get the appeal. I'd rather have a joint and a cup of coffee.
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AK-47% Thu, May 10, 2012 5:31:06am |
re: #282 Obdicut
I really don't like opiates. My brothers love them. I don't get the appeal. I'd rather have a joint and a cup of coffee.
I'd go for all three. never understood the appeal of cocaine, though.
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AK-47% Thu, May 10, 2012 5:33:03am |
re: #284 Tommy's cone of shame
I know I would like ANY drug.
alcohol has pretty much always been the drug of last resort...
but good weed and coffee, that's the best, with a codeine tablet to take the edge off...
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:33:27am |
re: #283 Expand Your Ground
Cocaine gets shit done! I don't use chemicals (well, very rarely) but there are times when it's handy to have around.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 5:33:31am |
re: #284 Tommy's cone of shame
I can hook you up with some disulfiram.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:34:15am |
Damn, I'm surrounded by reprobates! You're all going to hell ya know.
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, May 10, 2012 5:35:34am |
re: #287 Obdicut
Yikes! no thanks.
Right now I am on fenugreek, three tabs a day.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 5:36:12am |
Coffee & my ladyfriend's cooking.
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AK-47% Thu, May 10, 2012 5:36:44am |
re: #286 RogueOne
Cocaine gets shit done! I don't use chemicals (well, very rarely) but there are times when it's handy to have around.
my experience with coke is that you can work three times as long, but it takes you three times longer to get the same amount of work done.
my case in point was the morning I came into the graphics agecny I used to work at in Frankfurt.
The crew had been up all night snorting coke and working to finish a project for an 8am deadline.
I got there in time to pick up the CD they had burned and deliver it to the customer, but the office (and their brains) were in such a state of chaos that they could not find it!
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:37:57am |
While in Denver I was working along side a mexican crew. Little guys carrying 40' extension ladders straight up and down like they didn't weigh shit, almost jogging while they worked. I congratulated their boss on how hard his guys worked.... About 2 months into the job I was at a get-together in their apartment and one of them brought out a bag with probably a lb of coke and it all started to make sense.....
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 5:41:27am |
OK, I haven't seen this before, but it's a not-bad (for 1986) Soviet take on Stephen King's short story:
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:45:36am |
It's not even 9 a.m. and I already need a nap. My back feels great, I think, I can't really tell.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 5:51:21am |
Your morning kick in your junk:
Puppycides:
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]
Tenn: Cheatham Co. Pet Owner Wants Answers About Dog's Death
[Link: www.newschannel5.com...]
Topeka, KS: Topeka police officer shoots, kills dog
[Link: cjonline.com...]
and a helpful info-graphic:
Law Enforcement Guide to Threatening Canine Behavior
Image: 1x3ez.jpg
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, May 10, 2012 5:54:32am |
Good morning Lizards. The Great Yellow Sphere of Fusion has made an appearance in the skies over Philadelphia.
Tired, but caffeniated this morning.
Feline Overlord woke me up at 4:30am to complain about the level of food in the dish. He has been on a total kick for the ProPlan Turkey in gravy with cheese bits for the last two weeks. Longest run I have ever seen him pull for a single cat food flavor. To the point he's refusing to eat the other flavors. Though he still grants exemptions for eating canned tuna and cooked chicken.
Planning a week's vacation now. Mainly to go visit family (brother) over Memorial Day, but am going to add on a few days and maybe go tourist a spot or two in northern PA or southern NY state.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 5:57:28am |
re: #275 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Found it...under the original title no less, who'd of thunk it?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
That's definetly the '50s short story, but very greatly developed to fill the TVdrama format.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 6:01:23am |
A Bipartisan Coalition of House Members Tried to Defund Obama's Medical Marijuana Raids Yesterday, Failed
[Link: reason.com...]
Yesterday, 163 members of the House of Representatives voted to defund federal raids on medical marijuana where the plant is legal under state law. The amendment was sponsored by three California congressmen—Dana Rohrabacher (R), Tom McClintock (R), Sam Farr (D)—and New York's Maurice Hinchey (D), and was tacked on to Fiscal Year 2013 Commerce, Justice, State Appropriations bill. The amendment, which failed yesterday 163-262, reads as follows:
None of the funds made available in this Act to the Department of Justice may be used, with respect to the States of Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington, to prevent such States from implementing their own State laws that authorize the use, distribution, possession, or cultivation of medical marijuana.
Seventy-three percent of Democrats supported the amendment, but only 29 House Republicans.
They only need 100 more votes! It's that close...
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 6:03:15am |
re: #282 Obdicut
I really don't like opiates. My brothers love them. I don't get the appeal. I'd rather have a joint and a cup of coffee.
Wife has a hard time getting me to take an aspirin. Did 6 months worth of weed in the '70s, but it wasn't worth the hassle.
My only experience with Rx drugs almost killed me--went skydiving a couple days after taking valium for a shoulder lockup. People on the dropzone started averting their eyes from my expected point of impact. Jumpmaster was not happy.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 6:05:26am |
re: #299 Decatur Deb
Wife has a hard time getting me to take an aspirin. Did 6 months worth of weed in the '70s, but it wasn't worth the hassle.
My only experience with Rx drugs almost killed me--went skydiving a couple days after taking valium for a shoulder lockup. People on the dropzone started averting their eyes from my expected point of impact. Jumpmaster was not happy.
Hahaha!, That's never a good sign.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 6:08:19am |
I think this is the 2nd or 3rd study like this I've seen over the last few years:
Study finds NYPD frisks young black men too often
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
The New York Police Department performed more frisk searches of young black men in 2011 than the total number of young black men living in New York City, according to a new analysis of the department's controversial stop and frisk program.
The New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU), a prominent rights group, charged on Wednesday that the program disproportionately targets minorities, particularly young black and Latino men.
Last year the department performed 168,126 on-the-spot searches of black men aged 14 to 24 out of a total population of 158,406, according to an NYCLU analysis of departmental statistics.
The total number of police stops rose from 160,851 in 2003, one year after Mayor Michael Bloomberg took office, to 685,724 in 2011, with only a slight increase in recovered illegal firearms. About 53 percent of those stops resulted in physical searches, according to the NYCLU.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 6:16:17am |
re: #300 RogueOne
Hahaha!, That's never a good sign.
Wife has a hard time getting me to take an aspirin.
Exception is for kidney stones. That'll get you into the emergency room wheedling like a Needle Park junkie. Even then, I can't stand the effect of the take-home pills.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 10, 2012 6:17:56am |
Good morning! Did anyone happen to catch the Los Angeles episode of Baggage Battles on Travel Channel last night? 2 months ago they came to the gold refinery I work for and we refined gold for them on camera. Last night that episode aired. Fun people to work with too.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 6:19:50am |
re: #302 Decatur Deb
Aspirins are the only pills I don't mind taking. I don't like pills and I'm already regretting taking the ones I popped this morning. I'm trying to figure out a couple sets of blueprints and my focus blows.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 6:22:22am |
re: #303 Daniel Ballard
Good morning! Did anyone happen to catch the Los Angeles episode of Baggage Battles on Travel Channel last night? 2 months ago they came to the gold refinery I work for and we refined gold for them on camera. Last night that episode aired. Fun people to work with too.
Free samples?
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 6:22:23am |
re: #302 Decatur Deb
Drugs are weird. Morphine makes me feel crazy but euphoric, my eyes scratch and burn, and I say insane things. Hydromorphone, which is 8 times stronger than morphine, just makes me feel calm, not at all euphoric. But given that so many patients are drug-seeking, the one time I told that to a doctor during this bizarre esophageal pain episode, he said "Yeah, right" and gave me morphine anyway.
I feel bad for docs having to deal with so many drug-seekers, but it makes those of us with unusual responses to painkillers suffer.
Heh. Even ordinary painkillers, like ibuprofen, in a large dose, have a big effect on me: they make me all sentimental, and I get out "Where the Red Fern Grows" and read it while weeping.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 6:25:55am |
re: #306 Obdicut
Drugs are weird. Morphine makes me feel crazy but euphoric, my eyes scratch and burn, and I say insane things. Hydromorphone, which is 8 times stronger than morphine, just makes me feel calm, not at all euphoric. But given that so many patients are drug-seeking, the one time I told that to a doctor during this bizarre esophageal pain episode, he said "Yeah, right" and gave me morphine anyway.
I feel bad for docs having to deal with so many drug-seekers, but it makes those of us with unusual responses to painkillers suffer.
Heh. Even ordinary painkillers, like ibuprofen, in a large dose, have a big effect on me: they make me all sentimental, and I get out "Where the Red Fern Grows" and read it while weeping.
Heh..Son 1 went to our ER recently thinking he was throwing a stone. He was inexperienced enough to tell the triage nurse that he really needed pain meds. He sat there ignored for 3 hrs, felt better, and went home.
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Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 6:26:23am |
Hola Lizards! It looks like the GOP are bound and determined to make friends today:
Republicans To FBI: Put Those Anti-Muslim Materials Back!
A few Republican members of Congress would really like the FBI to stop coddling Muslims.
Right-wing blogs have been complaining for months about the FBI’s decision to purge less than one percent of their counterterrorism training materials which a review found contained inaccurate, and often inflammatory information about Islam. On Wednesday, a few members of Congress joined the fight to get that biased information reinstated.
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) demanded that FBI Director Robert Mueller turn over the names of the subject experts the FBI used to review their counterterrorism training materials. Rep. Howard Cobel (R-NC) also suggested the Obama administration was forcing the FBI to get rid of materials because of political correctness.
Their remarks followed Rep. Allen West’s comment last month which suggested the FBI was committing “cultural suicide” and letting the Muslim Brotherhood influence policy.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 6:27:33am |
re: #303 Daniel Ballard
Good morning! Did anyone happen to catch the Los Angeles episode of Baggage Battles on Travel Channel last night? 2 months ago they came to the gold refinery I work for and we refined gold for them on camera. Last night that episode aired. Fun people to work with too.
This episode of American Chopper was filmed at a bio-diesel plant down the street from me in IN. About 10 seconds in you can see one of my friends (and former employee) in the background (on the left, wearing the lighter colored ball cap).
Shortly after the filming the company went belly up....oops. By the time they did the bike reveal the company had filed for bankruptcy. They did the reveal in FL.
[Link: dsc.discovery.com...]
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 10, 2012 6:29:53am |
re: #309 Obdicut
Thanks for asking. No update apart from some details about tests to be done in two weeks. Right now it's all about pulling together and the waiting for results. The diagnosis was based on blood work, so biopsy etc still to do. Coping with not really knowing for sure yet, but the doctor was preparing family for bad news.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 6:33:06am |
re: #310 RogueOne
One of my fabricator friends hates American Chopper with a passion that will never die. He says the only one of 'em he thinks is a real artist/craftsman/fabricator is Rick, for his hand-made gas-tanks. The others he just says are assembly guys doing a little bedazzling afterwards, ordering front ends and frames and engines and just slotting it all together with a few tweaks.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 6:35:26am |
re: #311 Daniel Ballard
I'm really sorry to hear that. Bone cancer is one of the roughest ones to face, especially at his age. The downslope can be very fast and it can be shocking and really take a toll on loved ones. I know you'll be a great support to your wife and she's lucky to have you.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 10, 2012 6:37:54am |
re: #305 Decatur Deb
Free samples?
Heh. We also make the alloy that gets mixed with gold to take it to 14kt yellow. It's not terribly valuable, and small beads of the stuff can sometimes be found on the floor. One of the camera crew guys found a couple beads and took me aside to carefully give back the bit of metal. "Dude, is this GOLD?!"
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 6:39:27am |
re: #310 RogueOne
The small diesel powerplant is a cool idea. Then there's this approach to green biking:
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 6:41:18am |
re: #312 Obdicut
Your friend is right. I originally liked it because they started off doing the same type of work we did, handrails. I've noticed we even had the same type of mandril tube benders. OTOH, as they gained fame and could afford better equipment they did start to fab their own frames and accessories. A couple of years ago I would have killed to be able to afford their waterjet cutter.
I stopped watching the show years ago. I can't stand bickering IRL, don't know why people want to watch that kind of shit on tv. I do a lot of business with a friends business, a family joint, and they all act the same way as the Tuttles. Always fighting. The old man of the family once pulled a gun on his son in the middle of the shop and one of the sons used their million dollar (no exaggeration) laser cutter to fab a stainless steel meth lab that took the cops a week to take apart.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 6:41:23am |
re: #314 Daniel Ballard
My wife still has a few spools of silver and gold wire lying around from her jewelry-making days. I was out of singles the other night and tipped the pizza delivery guy with 3 grams of silver.
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Varek Raith Thu, May 10, 2012 6:42:47am |
re: #314 Daniel Ballard
Heh. We also make the alloy that gets mixed with gold to take it to 14kt yellow. It's not terribly valuable, and small beads of the stuff can sometimes be found on the floor. One of the camera crew guys found a couple beads and took me aside to carefully give back the bit of metal. "Dude, is this GOLD?!"
You and DL doing ok?
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CuriousLurker Thu, May 10, 2012 6:43:51am |
re: #311 Daniel Ballard
I'm sorry to hear about your father-in-law. Sending good thoughts & prayers to you and your wife. {{RWC & D_L}}
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 10, 2012 6:46:35am |
re: #318 Varek Raith
Yeah, we are ok. Weird to have very bad and very good things happen at the same time. It's a big strong family, a huge plus for coping.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 6:48:50am |
re: #320 Daniel Ballard
Yeah, we are ok. Weird to have very bad and very good things happen at the same time. It's a big strong family, a huge plus for coping.
Good luck to him, and it sounds like there is still some room for luck.
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darthstar Thu, May 10, 2012 6:55:25am |
Personally, I don't care if Mitt was a bully in prep school. He's an asshole now and that's all that matters. Mitt admitted he's a homophobe in the last 24 hours...stories about his being a dick 50 years ago aren't going to make his admission yesterday any more damning. Still, this is an election and the story needs to make its rounds.
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Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 6:56:54am |
re: #322 darthstar
Personally, I don't care if Mitt was a bully in prep school. He's an asshole now and that's all that matters.
Seriously. What he did when he was child doesn't matter, even if it's not surprising to find out he was a bully and a jerk even back then.
I'd say his shitty ideas now matter a lot more.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 6:58:41am |
re: #322 darthstar
..... Still, this is an election and the story needs to make its rounds.
I heard government mandated haircuts is part of his platform.
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darthstar Thu, May 10, 2012 6:59:27am |
Lady Gaga - retweet win.
This one @LadyGaga tweet congratulating the President on same-sex marriage has 25k+ RTs. We can all give up now. twitter.com/#!/ladygaga/st...— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) May 10, 2012
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simoom Thu, May 10, 2012 6:59:47am |
House GOP added a pair of anti-gay-service-member provisions to the annual defense authorization bill:
[Link: www.stripes.com...]
Conservative lawmakers on Wednesday night added a pair of amendments to the annual defense authorization bill designed to offer more protection to those who oppose gay troops serving openly in the military. The first would bar any same-sex wedding ceremonies on military facilities, while the second would prohibit commanders from punishing chaplains for views against homosexuality.
Last year, defense officials ruled that private same-sex weddings could take place on military facilities, but chaplains could not be forced to perform such ceremonies. In addition, military officials have insisted that the “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal has not had any adverse effects on chaplains or troops with religious convictions.
Similar measures were approved by committee Republicans last year, only to fail when they reached the Senate. But supporters said the measures are necessary to protect troops’ religious freedoms and free speech, especially since last September’s repeal.
“The president has repealed ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ and he is now using the military as props to promote the gay agenda,” said Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo., who sponsored the chaplains’ amendment. “This amendment is necessary.”
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Akin said he has received reports of Christian chaplains disciplined and forcibly reassigned because of opposition to openly gay troops, although rights groups have questioned the authenticity of those anecdotal reports.
Both measures were approved largely along party lines. Palazzo’s amendment passed 37-24, while Akin’s measure on chaplains passed by a 36-25 vote.
The House Armed Services Committee passed the full defense authorization bill early Thursday morning.
... Opponents of the protection amendments said they expected the Senate to once again block the proposals.
In related news, they also added an amendment to the Commerce-Justice-Science appropriations bill reaffirming DOMA last night:
[Link: www.washingtonblade.com...]
The U.S. House voted late Wednesday night in favor of a measure that aims to stop the Obama administration from taking any action in violation of the Defense of Marriage Act — even though the administration continues to enforce the law.
In a 245-171 vote, House lawmakers approved the amendment, introduced by freshman Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas), as part of Commerce-Justice-Science appropriations legislation. The amendment reads, “None of the funds made available under this Act, may be used in contravention of the Defense of Marriage Act.”
Ian Thompson, legislative representative for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the amendment in effect does nothing because although the Justice Department is no longer defending DOMA in court, the Obama administration is still enforcing it.
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Huelskamp reportedly said he introduced the amendment not only because the Justice Department stopped defending DOMA in court, but also because of Vice President Joe Biden’s endorsement of same-sex marriage Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
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dragonfire1981 Thu, May 10, 2012 6:59:59am |
Bad cop, bad cop,
Whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
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Varek Raith Thu, May 10, 2012 7:01:52am |
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darthstar Thu, May 10, 2012 7:03:47am |
re: #328 Varek Raith
HAHAHAHA
Fox's Carlson Asks If Obama Is "Demonizing Those Who Disagree" With Marriage Equality
That would explain Gretchen's horns and sulfuric breath.
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Interesting Times Thu, May 10, 2012 7:04:31am |
To those saying Romney's HS incident isn't relevant: He wasn't 10 he was 18. & given his policies I'd say gaybashing is pretty damn relevant— Jessica Valenti (@JessicaValenti) May 10, 2012
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 7:05:31am |
re: #330 Interesting Times
I don't think it's relevant. His current anti-gay policies are. I know plenty of people that bullied gay kids at 18 who now are completely pro-gay.
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Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 7:08:29am |
re: #326 simoom
House GOP added a pair of anti-gay-service-member provisions to the annual defense authorization bill:
[Link: www.stripes.com...]
Of course they did. Because the biggest issue facing the military right now isn't its bloated budget weighed down with a bunch of old, outdated, useless contracts that the Pentagon doesn't want, or the fact that we're still at war. We've got to enshrine anti-gay bigotry at all costs or America will fall!
Idiots.
In related news, they also added an amendment to the Commerce-Justice-Science appropriations reaffirming DOMA last night:
[Link: www.washingtonblade.com...]
Gotta love all that time spent on creating jobs. Way to go, GOP.
Instead of passing a pointless amendment, since the administration is refusing to defend DOMA in court, but still enforcing it as law while it stands, why don't these imbeciles do something more productive with their time?
Oh wait. I'm talking about the House GOP. Never mind.
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darthstar Thu, May 10, 2012 7:08:39am |
re: #331 Obdicut
Yep...but there is an It gets better commercial in there.
Hey kids, #itgetsbetter.The President of the United States has got your back.That's pretty cool.— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 10, 2012
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Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 7:09:07am |
re: #328 Varek Raith
HAHAHAHA
Fox's Carlson Asks If Obama Is "Demonizing Those Who Disagree" With Marriage Equality
Sounds like Dim Hoft's idiocy is making its way to Faux News. What a surprise.
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darthstar Thu, May 10, 2012 7:15:16am |
People who didn't assault a gay kid in high school don't say they have no memory of doing so. They say they didn't do it.— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) May 10, 2012
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lawhawk Thu, May 10, 2012 7:18:49am |
Are people really that fearful that gay marriages will destroy society and life as we know it?
I know, it's a rhetorical question. It's not just fear, but centuries of religious dogma pushing back even though this country is predicated upon equal protection and equal rights.
The issue of gay marriage isn't only about gay marriage. It's about a whole series of related issues - health care and insurance benefits, tax treatment (singles versus married filing jointly), acting as health care proxy, access to health records of the spouse, inheritances, etc.
But those who are yammering loudest about the President's declaration of support for gay marriage don't realize how hypocritical they sound when they're coming off multiple failed marriages.
If you're already married - how exactly does gay marriage interfere with that? It doesn't.
If you're planning on getting married, some other couple's gay marriage isn't going to affect your marriage plans either (unless you're both trying to get married at the same place on the same day - in which case, you better put that deposit down on the catering hall now).
Marriage is a bond between two people. It isn't affecting your rights to get married if you're a heterosexual. You'll still have those rights (along with the right to get divorced - as nearly half of all marriages do these days).
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iossarian Thu, May 10, 2012 7:20:30am |
I had some episodes of douchey behavior towards some people in school, and some people had episodes of douchey behavior towards me.
I don't think that an episode of douchey behavior disqualifies someone from political office, after all, people's personalities change over time (mine certainly has).
On the other hand, this episode does nothing to detract from Romney's overall image as a gigantic overprivileged douche.
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Interesting Times Thu, May 10, 2012 7:22:43am |
re: #331 Obdicut
I don't think it's relevant. His current anti-gay policies are. I know plenty of people that bullied gay kids at 18 who now are completely pro-gay.
But Romney, of course, isn't, so IMO his earlier gay-bashing is relevant from an "unchanging pattern of thought" angle. Isn't it sad that while he's known as an insincere flip-flopper, bigoted, nasty anti-gay attitudes are one thing he hasn't changed? Anyway, that's how I'm looking at it.
On another note, the wingnut Borg Collective is something to behold - in what I can only assume is a diversionary "squirrel!" tactic, they've made #ObamasTeenYears trend. Pity the pathetic little creeps can't use this coordinating power for something good.
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iossarian Thu, May 10, 2012 7:23:01am |
re: #338 lawhawk
Are people really that fearful that gay marriages will destroy society and life as we know it?
It's easier if you stop trying to make any sense of Republicans.
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Varek Raith Thu, May 10, 2012 7:23:43am |
re: #337 Gus
Mornin'...
Romney incorrectly insists marijuana is a ‘gateway drug’
OK grandpa.
Dweeb.
15 miles in the weed!
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Amory Blaine Thu, May 10, 2012 7:25:42am |
IDK. I know a lot of people I wouldn't identify as "religious" who hate gays right along all the other people they hate. They're just bigots.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 7:27:02am |
re: #339 iossarian
I had some episodes of douchey behavior towards some people in school, and some people had episodes of douchey behavior towards me.
I don't think that an episode of douchey behavior disqualifies someone from political office, after all, people's personalities change over time (mine certainly has).
On the other hand, this episode does nothing to detract from Romney's overall image as a gigantic overprivileged douche.
He was probably a douche in prep school because of daddy. Then he goes off to support the Viet Nam war -- I'll assume that came with some anti "draft dodger" feeling -- then high tailed it to a French mansion to play bishop. Yeah, he's a "gigantic overprivileged douche."
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 7:28:58am |
Saying born on third, thinks he hit a triple is pretty apt to Romney.
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Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 7:29:14am |
re: #341 iossarian
It's easier if you stop trying to make any sense of Republicans.
Yeah, this.
I don't even try anymore. At this point, I'm just trying to figure out what the final breaking point will be and when the GOP will either implode or break apart at the seams.
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Kronocide Thu, May 10, 2012 7:30:11am |
re: #338 lawhawk
Are people really that fearful that gay marriages will destroy society and life as we know it?
Yes. And the thought of the butt seks. Fretting about gay marriage always seems to center around the sex.
If you consider marriage primarily for procreation, gay marriage will short your circuits.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, May 10, 2012 7:31:04am |
re: #340 Interesting Times
But Romney, of course, isn't, so IMO his earlier gay-bashing is relevant from an "unchanging pattern of thought" angle. Isn't it sad that while he's known as an insincere flip-flopper, bigoted, nasty anti-gay attitudes are one thing he hasn't changed? Anyway, that's how I'm looking at it.
On another note, the wingnut Borg Collective is something to behold - in what I can only assume is a diversionary "squirrel!" tactic, they've made #ObamasTeenYears trend. Pity the pathetic little creeps can't use this coordinating power for something good.
Wait. Are you saying they have found Romney being *consistent* on something?!?!
STOP THE PRESSES!
//
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 7:32:17am |
re: #328 Varek Raith
HAHAHAHA
Fox's Carlson Asks If Obama Is "Demonizing Those Who Disagree" With Marriage Equality
How on earth does this dumbass get demonizing? He didn't say people who were opposed to gay marriage were bigots, he said after talking it over, he concluded same sex marriage should be legal. Was Dick Cheney demonizing? Seriously Fox just please declare yourself a political news outlet. At least, stop with the pretense you don't have an agenda.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 10, 2012 7:32:47am |
Good morning lizards!
I found some tabasco pepper plants yesterday and now my I have 23 pepper plants in the garden. I think I will stop now. Time to plant corn, green beans, and some other stuff.
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iossarian Thu, May 10, 2012 7:33:41am |
re: #349 HappyWarrior
WAH WAH STOP POINTING OUT MY BIGOTRY
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Kronocide Thu, May 10, 2012 7:35:37am |
re: #351 iossarian
WAH WAH STOP POINTING OUT MY BIGOTRY
The whiny liberal stereotype has long been destroyed by the whiny winger.
The irony is a little schadenfruedy.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 7:35:47am |
re: #351 iossarian
WAH WAH STOP POINTING OUT MY BIGOTRY
Fox News: We distort every word, and then you decide, unless you decide we're hacks then you hate America.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 7:36:00am |
U.S. Military Taught Officers: Use ‘Hiroshima’ Tactics for ‘Total War’ on Islam
The U.S. military taught its future leaders that a “total war” against the world’s 1.4 billion Muslims would be necessary to protect America from Islamic terrorists, according to documents obtained by Danger Room. Among the options considered for that conflict: using the lessons of “Hiroshima” to wipe out whole cities at once, targeting the “civilian population wherever necessary.”
...
International laws protecting civilians in wartime are “no longer relevant,” Dooley continues. And that opens the possibility of applying “the historical precedents of Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki” to Islam’s holiest cities, and bringing about “Mecca and Medina['s] destruction.”
...
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Interesting Times Thu, May 10, 2012 7:36:05am |
re: #351 iossarian
WAH WAH STOP POINTING OUT MY BIGOTRY
This cartoon ausador posted on a page deserves to be seen again:
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 7:36:35am |
re: #352 Kronocide
The whiny liberal stereotype has long been destroyed by the whiny winger.
The irony is a little schadenfruedy.
Honestly, the whiny winger was always there. It's just become more obvious since Obama's become president.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 7:38:01am |
A very long and in its own way fascinating apologetic text defending lies about polygamy and denying parallels to SSM: [Link: www.fairlds.org...]
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 7:38:12am |
re: #355 Interesting Times
This cartoon ausador posted on a page deserves to be seen again:
Pretty much. Seriously right wing Christians, you don't get to tell gay people they can't have equality under the law and then claim you're the ones who are persecuted.
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iossarian Thu, May 10, 2012 7:39:00am |
re: #354 Gus
Ironic that the same people who lap this "war on Islam" shit up will (rightly) condemn various middle east factions for caricaturing all Jews as being hateful warmongers.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, May 10, 2012 7:39:23am |
re: #354 Gus
U.S. Military Taught Officers: Use ‘Hiroshima’ Tactics for ‘Total War’ on Islam
Who the hell is writing that stuff as training materials!
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Kronocide Thu, May 10, 2012 7:39:47am |
re: #354 Gus
That's some evil stuff. Looks like a legit story.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 7:40:04am |
re: #361 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Who the hell is writing that stuff as training materials!
Wingnuts. I know Spencer was doing some work for the FBI.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 7:41:58am |
re: #360 iossarian
Ironic that the same people who lap this "war on Islam" shit up will (rightly) condemn various middle east factions for caricaturing all Jews as being hateful warmongers.
They're okay with being bigots towards Muslims because Islam is "evil." Totally ignoring this is the same mindset that results in what you're talking about.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 7:43:10am |
re: #323 Lidane
Seriously. What he did when he was child doesn't matter, even if it's not surprising to find out he was a bully and a jerk even back then.
I'd say his shitty ideas now matter a lot more.
1. He was 18.
2. It was a hate-crime.
3. He denies it now.
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Kronocide Thu, May 10, 2012 7:43:46am |
Coughlin suggested that al-Qaida helped drive the overthrow of Egyptian strongman Hosni Mubarak and Libyan dictator Muammar Gadhafi. It was part of a scheme by Islamists to conquer the world, he added. And Coughlin mocked those who didn’t see this plot as clearly as he did, accusing them of “complexification.”
Oh cute. Little nutter started a meme.
Page that shit Gus.
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iossarian Thu, May 10, 2012 7:43:50am |
re: #357 May Day! May Day!
A very long and in its own way fascinating apologetic text defending lies about polygamy and denying parallels to SSM: [Link: www.fairlds.org...]
That is quite brilliant in its devotion to rewriting the past.
"We didn't want the state to sanction our relationships, we just wanted to be left alone."
Talk about splitting hairs.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, May 10, 2012 7:44:27am |
re: #363 Gus
Wingnuts. I know Spencer was doing some work for the FBI.
These people seem to have zero empathy. Nuking Mecca or Medina is not going to win a war. It's simply going to cast said war in concrete for eternity. Which unfortunately is what I think these people want. Force the United States into full-on imperial mode by getting it to carry out some irreversible acts.
Have not learned a thing from the Iraq invasion. If someone invaded Arizona to liberate it they would be resisted simply from nationalist pride. Or simply the continual religious agitation if someone bombed (not to mention nuked) Jerusalem. GAH.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 7:44:44am |
re: #361 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Who the hell is writing that stuff as training materials!
Not as serious a consideration as it seems. This is a Lieutenant Colonel doing a class project for a career school, not a top-level consideration. When he graduates, he goes back to preparing slides for the next briefing on tire-wear management.
OTOH, if they're doing it right someone has an obsolete plan to nuke Switzerland deep in his contingency file cabinet.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 7:45:25am |
re: #367 Unlike Some People
1. He was 18.
2. It was a hate-crime.
3. He denies it now.
Obama was what? 9 years old when he had that dog meat? And the right wingers went nuts over it. Here we have Romney at 18. I say we release the hounds and play a short quick round of offense.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 7:46:11am |
re: #369 iossarian
I still sorta like this text because at least it takes on the issue of systemic lying by all those Prophets head on. Polygamy as civil disobedience! LOL.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 7:46:26am |
re: #372 Gus
I called a kid 'fattie' once in 6th grade. I still feel pretty bad about it.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, May 10, 2012 7:47:01am |
re: #371 Decatur Deb
Not as serious a consideration as it seems. This is a Lieutenant Colonel doing a class project for a career school, not a top-level consideration. When he graduates, he goes back to preparing slides for the next briefing on tire-wear management.
OTOH, if they're doing it right someone has an obsolete plan to nuke Switzerland deep in his contingency file cabinet.
The latter is not surprising. Lots of contingency and mental exercises with fairly bizarre scenarios. I recall that some of the War Plans between WW1 and WW2 even included potential wars with England, France, etc.
Hopefully this was a low-level thing that will be shelved or shredded. And thus just a sort of outrageous outrage thing that will be moved on from.
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Interesting Times Thu, May 10, 2012 7:47:26am |
re: #367 Unlike Some People
1. He was 18.
2. It was a hate-crime.
3. He denies it now.
"If anyone for some reason felt bad when I pinned them down & cut off their hair while they cried, well that's unfortunate."— STL Activist Hub (@stlactivisthub) May 10, 2012
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Kronocide Thu, May 10, 2012 7:48:29am |
re: #374 Obdicut
I called a kid 'fattie' once in 6th grade. I still feel pretty bad about it.
I made fun of a fat girl when I was in 5th grade. She chased me down and pushed me and I broke my collar bone.
No, I'm not mad at her. I was being a dick.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 10, 2012 7:49:00am |
re: #374 Obdicut
By owning up to it, you show to be more mature than Mitt. And his offense of course was way worse.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 7:49:34am |
re: #375 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
The latter is not surprising. Lots of contingency and mental exercises with fairly bizarre scenarios. I recall that some of the War Plans between WW1 and WW2 even included potential wars with England, France, etc.
Hopefully this was a low-level thing that will be shelved or shredded. And thus just a sort of outrageous outrage thing that will be moved on from.
Really, this is a military professional school equivalent of "Our Friend the Beaver". When it hits the press someone makes an ideological case on it.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 7:50:07am |
Not surprised Romney was a bully. The described incident fits his character. By the way, I fully expect the RW blogs to complain without realizing the obvious irony of how they flipped their shit on Obama eating dog.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, May 10, 2012 7:52:01am |
re: #380 Decatur Deb
Really, this is a military professional school equivalent of "Our Friend the Beaver". When it hits the press someone makes an ideological case on it.
Though I'd give that paper a failing grade for thinking that nuking targets for civilian kills is going to "win" a war against a religion. They thrive on martyrs.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 7:52:15am |
re: #381 HappyWarrior
Not surprised Romney was a bully. The described incident fits his character. By the way, I fully expect the RW blogs to complain without realizing the obvious irony of how they flipped their shit on Obama eating dog.
Exactamundo. Time for some payback.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 7:53:02am |
re: #383 Gus
Exactamundo. Time for some payback.
Oh. And unlike this, Obama's "dog meat" story was completely irrelevant and not very telling of character.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 7:53:37am |
re: #380 Decatur Deb
Really, this is a military professional school equivalent of "Our Friend the Beaver". When it hits the press someone makes an ideological case on it.
I'm not disturbed when I read about some plan to, say, turn Moscow into nuclear dust because I know we have the same plans re: NYC. It's the ideological, non-sterile, unprofessionally hostile language that should cause some examination.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 7:53:52am |
re: #384 Gus
Oh. And unlike this, Obama's "dog meat" story was completely irrelevant and not very telling of character.
Right. And the age thing.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 7:54:00am |
re: #383 Gus
Yes.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 7:54:42am |
re: #384 Gus
Oh. And unlike this, Obama's "dog meat" story was completely irrelevant and not very telling of character.
Not telling at all. ;)
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 7:55:18am |
re: #382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Though I'd give that paper a failing grade for thinking that nuking targets for civilian kills is going to "win" a war against a religion. They thrive on martyrs.
Yeah, and we don't know what came of it. Thousands of these, of varying quality, are done by mid-grade officers every year. They are discussion pieces, not serious policy considerations.
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jaunte Thu, May 10, 2012 7:56:00am |
re: #384 Gus
Wherever the action was, so was Romney. He wrote the most letters to the girls at the sister school across the lake and successfully petitioned to get placed in the top classes. He was not a natural athlete, but found his place among the jocks by managing the hockey team and leading megaphone cheers for the football team.[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Not just a bully, but a suck-up, too.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 7:56:23am |
Also, Romney didn't come from a troubled family, that could excuse him being a troubled and bigoted teen.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 7:57:35am |
Onoz, leftists attacking a 18 y.o. child! ///
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 7:58:41am |
Romney was a pampered, spoiled, privileged bully.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:00:08am |
re: #391 May Day! May Day!
Also, Romney didn't come from a troubled family, that could excuse him being a troubled and bigoted teen.
I still remember my Dad's story about his father telling never to say the n-word again after he caught my Dad calling my uncle a little n-word. Never knew him but it's that sort of thing that makes me proud to have been named after him.
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Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 8:01:08am |
re: #367 Unlike Some People
1. He was 18.
2. It was a hate-crime.
3. He denies it now.
I missed the fact that he was 18 at the time. That does make a difference. I could forgive a 12 or 13 year old being an entitled douchebag at a prep school, but an 18 year old is an adult.
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Interesting Times Thu, May 10, 2012 8:02:48am |
Mitt's done with the bullying. He's moved on laying people off then denying people marriage, financial aid or health care.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) May 10, 2012
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:03:22am |
Would be interesting if that guy whom he assaulted to cut his hair went off to Viet Nam while Romney high tailed it of to that French mansion to play bishop.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:03:51am |
re: #397 Lidane
I missed the fact that he was 18 at the time. That does make a difference. I could forgive a 12 or 13 year old being an entitled douchebag at a prep school, but an 18 year old is an adult.
Yeah look at this way, you're in middle school at 12-13 and you're a senior in HS or in my case since I was younger, already a college freshman. You can grow as a person but Mitt's still a stuck up jerk
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 8:04:42am |
re: #385 May Day! May Day!
I'm not disturbed when I read about some plan to, say, turn Moscow into nuclear dust because I know we have the same plans re: NYC. It's the ideological, non-sterile, unprofessionally hostile language that should cause some examination.
Nothing compared to WWI and II propaganda. If I went through enough staff college papers I could find enough bits to prove the Defense Dept is a bunch of tree-hugging hippies. Guys study the relationship of child-care facilities to airborne deployment.
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jaunte Thu, May 10, 2012 8:05:47am |
"If anyone for some reason felt bad when I pinned them down & cut off their hair while they cried, well that's unfortunate."
— STL Activist Hub (@stlactivisthub) May 10, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 10, 2012 8:05:55am |
They arrested another scumbag in Florida...
11th suspect arrested in alleged attack plot in Brevard by white supremacists
A dozen alleged white supremacists, including six current and former Brevard County residents, face hate crime and criminal conspiracy charges stemming from an alleged plot to attack a rival, anti-racism group at a rally they expected to happen in downtown Melbourne.
Authorities have arrested another alleged white supremacist in connection with the case broken this week by the FBI's counter terrorism task force and local police, and they're still searching for a 12th suspect who is from Palm Bay.
And, authorities allege in court documents that the leaders of the militia-style American Front group aspired to far bigger and more sinister plots. A former Brevard County resident identified as the group’s ringleader was attempting to make ricin, a deadly toxin that is categorized by the government as a weapon of mass destruction, and “has been planning and preparing the AF for what he believes to be an inevitable race war.”
The investigators — led by the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) in partnership with local law enforcement agencies — say that American Front was led in Central Florida by former Canaveral Groves resident Marcus Faella, 39, who allegedly transformed a remote property in rural St. Cloud into a fortified compound in preparation for the failure of the United States government.
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Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 8:08:33am |
Shocka!
Top Romney Adviser: We’ll Campaign On Constitutional Marriage Ban
Ed Gillespie, senior adviser to Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, told Chuck Todd on MSNBC’s Daily Rundown that the campaign would make President Obama’s support for marriage equality an issue this November and that Romney will actively push for a constitutional amendment to take away the right of states to voluntarily extend marriage equality to same-sex couples.
Gillespie told Todd that same-sex marriage “will be another bright-line difference in this campaign.” He added that the GOP intends to campaign on the issue.
They're going to make it a centerpiece of their campaign? Really?
Wow. Looks like Obama's rope-a-dope skills are still solid.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 8:09:38am |
re: #404 Lidane
Still a bully, eh?
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:10:21am |
re: #404 Lidane
Shocka!
Top Romney Adviser: We’ll Campaign On Constitutional Marriage Ban
They're going to make it a centerpiece of their campaign? Really?
Wow. Looks like Obama's rope-a-dope skills are still solid.
Yeah. What a load of crap. If they need to amend the Constitution for this -- which is a long drawn out process -- that means the Constitution allows for gay marriage.
Next time these bigots tell you about "Constitutional originalism" just give them the finger.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:10:25am |
re: #404 Lidane
Shocka!
Top Romney Adviser: We’ll Campaign On Constitutional Marriage Ban
They're going to make it a centerpiece of their campaign? Really?
Wow. Looks like Obama's rope-a-dope skills are still solid.
Go for it, Ed, please. Your candidate will be promoting denying freedom and equality while Obama will be promoting it. This isn't 2004 where you can get away with that crap.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 8:10:53am |
re: #404 Lidane
I thought they played it fairly well yesterday by not blowing it up into a big deal, looks like they've changed their minds. They need to keep their focus on the top 3 issues, the economy, jobs, and the deficit. Playing this into a "thing" is a tactical mistake.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:12:06am |
I think this guarantees that Romney is choosing a so-con as his running mate too.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 8:12:06am |
re: #404 Lidane
Damn. From 'oh, look, we're inclusive, we're hiring a gay foreign policy guy' to 'gay marriage must be stopped at all possible cost' in just a couple weeks.
This is Romney the moderate.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 8:12:33am |
re: #408 RogueOne
I see you've changed your Obamney av in respect of Obama's leadership on the equality issue! /
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 8:13:40am |
re: #411 May Day! May Day!
I'm still a little drugged, elaborate a bit?
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:14:43am |
re: #410 Obdicut
Damn. From 'oh, look, we're inclusive, we're hiring a gay foreign policy guy' to 'gay marriage must be stopped at all possible cost' in just a couple weeks.
This is Romney the moderate.
He's etching an sketch.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 8:14:56am |
re: #412 RogueOne
I'm still a little drugged, elaborate a bit?
You had an Obamney 2012 avatar signifying they're the same. Do you still think so?
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 10, 2012 8:17:42am |
re: #403 NJDhockeyfan
They arrested another scumbag in Florida...
11th suspect arrested in alleged attack plot in Brevard by white supremacists
Another FBI informant. Hooray!
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Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 8:18:10am |
re: #406 Gus
Yeah. What a load of crap. If they need to amend the Constitution for this -- which is a long drawn out process -- that means the Constitution allows for gay marriage.
When have we ever amended the Constitution to take away equal rights? WTF.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:18:37am |
re: #416 Lidane
When have we ever amended the Constitution to take away equal rights? WTF.
Excellent point.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 8:19:28am |
re: #416 Lidane
When have we ever amended the Constitution to take away equal rights? WTF.
Segregationists are crying. Why didn't they think of it first? /
| 420 |
Killgore Trout Thu, May 10, 2012 8:21:11am |
FBI and DHS looking into Occupiers again
Feds Investigate Ex-Occupy Leader
The agents appear to be probing unspecified suspicious deliveries to the FBI’s state headquarters on State Street between Wall and Grove.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:25:29am |
re: #416 Lidane
When have we ever amended the Constitution to take away equal rights? WTF.
A good point.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 10, 2012 8:25:34am |
re: #420 Killgore Trout
FBI and DHS looking into Occupier again
Feds Investigate Ex-Occupy Leader
“What’s the worst thing I’ve done?” Doomsday said. “Kidnap a reporter and plant a garden?”
I kinda doubt the FBI wants to chat with you about your garden!!
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 10, 2012 8:25:34am |
Egypt seizes rockets believed smuggled from Libya
Egyptian security said on Thursday that it had seized a large weapons cache of surface-to-surface rockets and a mortar, probably smuggled from its western neighbour Libya.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:25:46am |
#Romney: "But He Looked Gay, for Pete's Sake"— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) May 10, 2012
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 10, 2012 8:26:10am |
re: #422 sattv4u2
“What’s the worst thing I’ve done?” Doomsday said. “Kidnap a reporter and plant a garden?”
I kinda doubt the FBI wants to chat with you about your garden!!
Some gardens are more interesting than others.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:26:24am |
Conservatives blast Obama for "appalling blasphemy" and "evil" support of marriage equality bit.ly/JAKfrY— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) May 10, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 10, 2012 8:27:40am |
re: #422 sattv4u2
“What’s the worst thing I’ve done?” Doomsday said. “Kidnap a reporter and plant a garden?”
I kinda doubt the FBI wants to chat with you about your garden!!
An FBI agent and a Homeland Security agent stopped by the house at 92 Atwater St. on Monday, according to neighbor Andres Hammer, who lives upstairs from the ex-occupiers. The Homeland Security agent was looking for Aubin and Tommy Doomsday, another former occupier, Hammer said.
His name is Tommy Doomsday?
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:28:33am |
re: #426 Gus
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They're playing right in Obama's hands. I love it. It's showing that many who oppose gay marriage are motivated more by bigotry than anything.
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wrenchwench Thu, May 10, 2012 8:28:57am |
re: #412 RogueOne
Have you seen this yet?
Two Fullerton officers to stand trial in death of Kelly Thomas
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 10, 2012 8:29:02am |
re: #427 NJDhockeyfan
His name is Tommy Doomsday?
Thats just his protest/ stage name
His REAL name is Fred Doomsday!!
/
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:29:03am |
Today's the Worst Day for Mitt Romney's High School Bullying Story to Come Out
ELSPETH REEVE 9:44 AM ET
What would be the worst possible news for Mitt Romney to have to deal with the day after President Obama announced he supports gay marriage? Romney's already had a gay staffer resign because social conservatives were outraged he'd hire an openly gay person. And having a hypothetical family member come out as gay would probably help him seem more compassionate. But one thing that might project an image Romney really wants to avoid -- heartless outmoded anti-gay conservative -- would be a long profile in The Washington Post about how he bullied a gay kid in high school. At the exact moment Romney doesn't want to talk about gay stuff, the Post's Jason Horowitz reports Romney led a gang of boys who singled out a gay kid, held him down while he cried, and cut off the kid's offensively un-hetero hair. No one ever likes a bully, but it's really a bad time to be an anti-gay bully.
Continues.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 8:30:17am |
re: #429 wrenchwench
Have you seen this yet?
Two Fullerton officers to stand trial in death of Kelly Thomas
The violent extremist police up to its old tricks? /
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:30:27am |
re: #428 HappyWarrior
They're playing right in Obama's hands. I love it. It's showing that many who oppose gay marriage are motivated more by bigotry than anything.
Sort of like the contraception "debate"? I think there are a lot of similarities.
Bottom line. Anyone that opposes gay marriage is a bigot. Anyone that support a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage is a bigot.
Bigot. B-i-g-o-t. That's Romney and those like him.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 8:31:02am |
re: #431 Gus
Um. The best day.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:31:37am |
re: #434 May Day! May Day!
Um. The best day.
For Obama. No. Make that the best day for us non-bigots.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 10, 2012 8:32:03am |
Toronto Islamic school’s anti-Jewish books came from Iran
TORONTO — A Toronto Islamic school’s teaching materials, which have prompted a police hate crimes investigation because of their portrayal of Jews, were originally published by Iranian organizations, records show.
The passages of the East End Madrassah’s texts that drew the most widespread condemnation are excerpts from two books, including one published by the Al Balagh Foundation in Iran.
The other book, which contrasts Islam with “the Jews and the Nazis,” was published by the Mostazafan Foundation of New York, which the U.S. alleges was a front organization for the Iranian government.
Jewish community groups were disappointed to learn that materials from Iran — whose president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is known for his anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial and threats against Israel — had found their way into Canadian school texts.
“As Canadians, we are deeply troubled at the notion that children in our country are learning from materials published by an organization that, according to the FBI, is directly controlled by the Ayatollahs of Iran,” said David Koschitzky, chair of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs.
Shocka!
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dragonfire1981 Thu, May 10, 2012 8:32:40am |
Even though Fox News killed the comment section on the Obama supporting gay marriage story on their site, it's still active on the article at Fox Nation and looks pretty much the same as it did on the main Fox site:
indeed, science has proven otherwise. That is a fact. The human body evolved to use s e x as a method of reproduction. Parts of the human body male gays use for s e x were never meant for it, and is unnatural. Unfortunately for you, the vast majority of the population consider it disgusting.
--
Height of liberal hypocrisy:Obama came out in favor of sodomite "marriage," justifying his position by quoting Christ's Golden Rule from the New Testament...
So, it is okay to quote the New Testament and justify a policy by misinterpreting a moral teaching of Christ... but only to support a LIBERAL CAUSE.
Because any conservative who argues for a policy position based on a moral biblical teaching IS SCREAMED DOWN, BASHED, AND INSULTED!!!
--
Liberalism = hypocrisy = mental illness = cognitive dissonanceOur beloved country has been in a moral decline since the 60s when the radical left women, pulled off their bras and burned them and decided to become men haters, and hippies, and Woodstock drug users. We've been in decline ever since. 54 MILLION unborn babies murdered in their abortion mills since the 70s.
--
I was a flight attendant for 8 years with a major carrier in the US. A lot of us guys were straight and then a few were gay. After working for 8 years and then for the next 10 years remaining friends with some of the gay coworkers, I saw into the lifestyle of the gay community, and it's not what you see on TV!It's not "Will and Grace" or "Modern Family", it's a sexually sick lifestyle. If the media accurately displayed the gay life style "Most Americans" would puke over what they find out.
It is sick, perverted and nasty lifestyle. Four of my coworkers died of aids. It's not some beautiful lifestyle!!
--
Wow! What a shockingly pitiful example of intellectual and moral weakness Obama demonstrated in this "flip-flop".As a middle-age man, Obama has had a lifetime to study and consider the important issues of the day--morality, the Constitution, economics, government operations... He spent years in college and grad school, and then was hired to lecture at a university. And after nearly half a century of education and preparation his core beliefs are so ungrounded in truth and logic that his teen-age children can get him to reverse course?
If Obama's core beliefs are so poorly grounded that a couple kids can get him to do a complete about-face on such a pivotal issue as marriage and family structure, I can only imagine how pathetically weak and ungrounded his arguments are for such values and beliefs as freedom, American exceptionalism, integrity, and hard work.
I didn't hold this man in particularly high regard before. But he's just exposed himself as one of the most intellectually and morally weak men I've ever seen in public life.
No man who is this ridiculously weak in his foundational beliefs is fit to lead a nation, let along the greatest nation on earth. Someone who is this childishly weak in his core beliefs isn’t fit to lead a group of girl scouts. No wonder he doesn't want anyone to see his college transcripts.
--
This is one more act that exposes Obama as a pathetic example of a man, and an empty suit as a leader! And this shameless twist of "values" is a powerful example of how ridiculously weak he is.
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the president like most democrats are GLTBs b1tch, they just forced to say who's his daddy!
the president just gave approval on sodomy? It's ok to take it from behind, i think all those bowing was a practice for bending forward. :-)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 8:33:21am |
re: #436 NJDhockeyfan
It is, indeed. I would've suspected Saudis.
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Interesting Times Thu, May 10, 2012 8:33:39am |
Obama Evolved twitter.com/jillwklausen/s...— Jill Klausen (@jillwklausen) May 10, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 10, 2012 8:34:23am |
re: #438 May Day! May Day!
It is, indeed. I would've suspected Saudis.
Iran had a fire sale on children's school books last year.
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allegro Thu, May 10, 2012 8:34:52am |
re: #431 Gus
Today's the Worst Day for Mitt Romney's High School Bullying Story to Come Out
ELSPETH REEVE 9:44 AM ET
He didn't just bully, he physically and violently assaulted the guy, leading a pack to do it. This is reprehensible. Like others, I think what he says/does/believes today is much more important than what he did at 18, but there's a very ugly pattern that is quite unsavory and I see no change in attitude.
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dragonfire1981 Thu, May 10, 2012 8:34:52am |
re: #426 Gus
Here's Bryan Fisher's statement in full:
President Barack Obama has officially come out in favor of homosexual marriage, he has officially come out in favor of unnatural marriage, he has come out in favor of giving society’s highest recognition to behavior which is immoral, which is unnatural and which is unhealthy, behavior that will kill you if you don’t catch yourself in time. Be encouraged, because this is going to be decisive in this campaign. This thing right here is decisive in this campaign. President Barack Obama just kicked away his re-election chances, they’re gone, toast, out the window, stick a fork in Barack Obama, he stuck a fork in himself, he’s done, he’s toast, if Mitt Romney will hold the line. Mitt Romney just got handed this election. Ladies and gentlemen, do not underestimate what just happened, Barack Obama just handed the election to Mitt Romney.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:35:22am |
re: #437 dragonfire1981
Even though Fox News killed the comment section on the Obama supporting gay marriage story on their site, it's still active on the article at Fox Nation and looks pretty much the same as it did on the main Fox site:
Did they call Cheney gay when he announced his support for gay marriage? Fox News commentators are babies and cowards.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:37:19am |
re: #442 dragonfire1981
Here's Bryan Fisher's statement in full:
Can't wait to see this sob's reaction when Obama wins re-election, maybe he can finally set up his own theocratic hell hole and leave the rest of us alone.
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dragonfire1981 Thu, May 10, 2012 8:37:30am |
re: #441 allegro
He didn't just bully, he physically and violently assaulted the guy, leading a pack to do it. This is reprehensible. Like others, I think what he says/does/believes today is much more important than what he did at 18, but there's a very ugly pattern that is quite unsavory and I see no change in attitude.
All Romney has to do is say that he did it because of his religious beliefs and the right will love him for it.
These are, after all, the same people that want to ALLOW gays to be harassed, under the guise that prohibiting said harassment would infringe on the harassers "religious freedom".
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:38:00am |
FLAMING ASSHOLE: Mitt Romney, rich teenage bully! fb.me/12e7Hixop— Dangerous Minds (@DangerMindsBlog) May 10, 2012
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 8:38:25am |
re: #442 dragonfire1981
Here's Bryan Fisher's statement in full:
That's the self-hypnosis that comes with believing in the vast, silent, moral majority. Obama can lose, but it hangs on employment numbers.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 8:39:52am |
re: #443 HappyWarrior
Did they call Cheney gay when he announced his support for gay marriage? Fox News commentators are babies and cowards.
Related:
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dragonfire1981 Thu, May 10, 2012 8:40:45am |
Here's another right wing statement from the tweet that Gus posted (emphasis mine):
When President Obama publicly declared his support for same-sex marriage yesterday he was displaying his disdain and disrespect for anyone in this country who believes in Judeo-Christian values. Obama thinks that the same-sex marriage movement is so powerful and that we are so weak that his attack on normal marriage will actually help him win a second term.
I need you to help me show him just how wrong he is. Thirty-one states have voted in favor of normal marriage. Tuesday's vote in North Carolina was a landslide for our side. But if he wins a second term our votes may not matter as his appointed judges overrule us and eventually restrict religious liberty in the process.
I don’t think there is anything else I can say. If we won’t stand up now, when will we? Please give whatever you can to help us defeat Obama and his congressional socialist cronies.
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 8:42:07am |
re: #414 May Day! May Day!
Ahh! I get it! Sorry I'm slow. I'm trying to finish typing up a quote that's due in 20 minutes so I can close my eyes for a bit.....
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Interesting Times Thu, May 10, 2012 8:42:09am |
re: #443 HappyWarrior
Did they call Cheney gay when he announced his support for gay marriage? Fox News commentators are babies and cowards.
Right wing goes crazy as Obama embraces gay marriage position of noted lefty Dick Cheney.— Paul Begala (@PaulBegala) May 9, 2012
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RogueOne Thu, May 10, 2012 8:45:28am |
re: #429 wrenchwench
Have you seen this yet?
Two Fullerton officers to stand trial in death of Kelly Thomas
Yes, thank you. I think it's really sad that only 2 of those assholes are facing jail time. None of those people should be allowed to carry a badge and a gun again.
| 453 |
Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:45:47am |
From Twitchy:
Who’s up for hijacking a Democrat Twitter town hall? Submit student loan questions to #AskDems
Right now #AskDems is trending and it's being trolled by right wingers. Got wind of this through this Tweet:
After two months, Michelle Malkin has finally turned Twitchy into America's premier Twitter-based 4chan. twitchy.com/2012/05/10/who...— Jesse Taylor (@jesseltaylor) May 10, 2012
Malkin is a low life.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:45:54am |
re: #451 Interesting Times
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Heh indeed Paul, indeed. And Cheney however motivated he may have been by his daughter here deserves credit. Contrast his response with Alan Keyes. Not a fan of Cheney as a whole but I give credit where credit is due. I do wonder how Cheney reacted to his boss pushing FMA in 2004.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 10, 2012 8:45:57am |
re: #449 dragonfire1981
Here's another right wing statement from the tweet that Gus posted (emphasis mine):
" I don’t think there is anything else I can say. If we won’t stand up now, when will we? Please give whatever you can to help us defeat Obama and his congressional socialist cronies".
Glad you included the follow-on. I was beginning to doubt the statement was genuine without a request for cash.
| 456 |
HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:47:44am |
re: #453 Gus
From Twitchy:
Who’s up for hijacking a Democrat Twitter town hall? Submit student loan questions to #AskDems
Right now #AskDems is trending and it's being trolled by right wingers. Got wind of this through this Tweet:
[Embedded content] Malkin is a low life.
She always was one. Remember her harassing the family of the boy who testified for SCHIP? That should have showed anyone she's a scumbag.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:49:01am |
The never ending work of moderate Republican bigots continues:
Republicans Limit Gay And Lesbian Rights In Defense Bill
Hours after President Obama announced his support for same-sex marriage, Republicans in the House took two steps back for gays and lesbians and approved two measures limiting their rights. The amendments, passed in the House Armed Services Committee, would “protects religious freedom of military chaplains and the conscience and moral principals of service members who are opposed to homosexuality” and prohibit same-sex marriages or a “marriage-like ceremony” that involves a same-sex couples “from being held at any military installation or on any property owned, rented or under the control of the Defense Department.” The measures are now part of the House’s $642 billion National Defense Authorization Act...
| 458 |
Killgore Trout Thu, May 10, 2012 8:50:15am |
From reddit: Obama explaining the Osama Bin Laden operation
Image: w2Rfy.jpg
| 459 |
Interesting Times Thu, May 10, 2012 8:50:24am |
Mitt shares a lot of traits with sociopaths, doesn't he? #justsaying— Jeff Fecke (@jkfecke) May 10, 2012
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:52:00am |
re: #457 Gus
The never ending work of moderate Republican bigots continues:
JOBS! Oh, it's just anti-gay fear mongreling.
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 10, 2012 8:52:48am |
re: #459 Interesting Times
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Meh. I'm not really interested in this story but it might be a public relations winner. Overplaying your hand is a sure way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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jaunte Thu, May 10, 2012 8:53:20am |
re: #442 dragonfire1981
President Barack Obama just kicked away his re-election chances, they’re gone, toast, out the window, stick a fork in Barack Obama, he stuck a fork in himself, he’s done, he’s toast, if Mitt Romney will hold the line. Mitt Romney just got handed this election. Ladies and gentlemen, do not underestimate what just happened, Barack Obama just handed the election to Mitt Romney.
I hope Fischer keeps telling the conservatives that they'll just coast to a victory now. Everybody relax!
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 10, 2012 8:56:10am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
Meh. I'm not really interested in this story but it might be a public relations winner. Overplaying your hand is a sure way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
how DARE you not be interested, because we all know you never get downdinged for something we're not interested in!!
Now go back and apologize
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 8:56:34am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
Meh. I'm not really interested in this story but it might be a public relations winner. Overplaying your hand is a sure way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
What do you think of R campaign vowing to make SSM an (or the) election issue?
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dragonfire1981 Thu, May 10, 2012 8:57:53am |
Hey Gus, any chance you would be willing to work together with me on a page?
If you're interested I'll give you more info.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:58:37am |
re: #465 dragonfire1981
Hey Gus, any chance you would be willing to work together with me on a page?
If you're interested I'll give you more info.
Let me think about it. What's it about?
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 8:59:21am |
re: #463 sattv4u2
how DARE you not be interested, because we all know you never get downdinged for something we're not interested in!!
Now go back and apologize
Bleh, meh, blah, blah
Pew, pew pew.
Yuch.
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HappyWarrior Thu, May 10, 2012 8:59:29am |
re: #464 May Day! May Day!
What do you think of R campaign vowing to make SSM an (or the) election issue?
To me, that's more interesting than this new story. This is something that failed in 2004 and yet they want to try it again. And as already has been said, they're supporting an amendment that takes away equal rights. How telling.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 8:59:47am |
re: #467 Cathartic Expression
Bleh, meh, blah, blah
Pew, pew pew.
Yuch.
There's an ointment for that.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:03:45am |
How DARE Obama take credit for the auto bailout! That was Romney's idea!
Obama campaign launches ad touting auto bailout (by @KLaingTheHill) j.mp/KO0tLi #obama #auto— The Hill (@thehill) May 10, 2012
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 10, 2012 9:04:03am |
re: #467 Cathartic Expression
Bleh, meh, blah, blah
Pew, pew pew.
Yuch.
Isn't there a cat food commercial set to that
Meow Meow Meow meow
Meow Meow Meow meow
Meow Meow Meow meow
Meow Meow Meow meow
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 9:05:08am |
re: #476 sattv4u2
Isn't there a cat food commercial set to that
Meow Meow Meow meow
Meow Meow Meow meow
Meow Meow Meow meow
Meow Meow Meow meow[Embedded content]
Oh Noes, PussyGate!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 9:05:23am |
re: #476 sattv4u2
Isn't there a cat food commercial set to that
Meow Meow Meow meow
Meow Meow Meow meow
Meow Meow Meow meow
Meow Meow Meow meow[Embedded content]
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:05:41am |
re: #477 Cathartic Expression
Bummed out maybe?
Er. Um. Just waiting to find out what the topic is all about.
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Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 9:06:10am |
re: #442 dragonfire1981
More proof that Obama's rope-a-dope skills are still solid.
The election will be decided on far larger issues than marriage equality, but I look forward to the Republicans running openly on bigotry and on denying equality to millions of people.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 9:06:15am |
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 9:06:57am |
re: #479 May Day! May Day!
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Have you ever listened to that and Rachel Maddow at the same time?
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:07:02am |
re: #483 May Day! May Day!
ows
Always. Ever since October 4, 2011. Now that's commitment.
BRB. Gotta wash my hands for the 100th time this morning.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 9:07:51am |
re: #485 Gus
Always. Ever since October 4, 2011. Now that's commitment.
BRB. Gotta wash my hands for the 100th time this morning.
//
Another level of creepy reached?//
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 9:08:35am |
re: #481 Gus
Er. Um. Just waiting to find out what the topic is all about.
YOU KILLED MY (poor attempt at a) PUN! (thread)
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 9:09:03am |
re: #485 Gus
Always. Ever since October 4, 2011. Now that's commitment.
BRB. Gotta wash my hands for the 100th time this morning.
//
I'm not going to ask why.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:09:05am |
Oh shit.
Video of Mitt Romney doing a distasteful impression of a gay man. buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpoliti...— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) May 10, 2012
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:11:10am |
re: #486 May Day! May Day!
Another level of creepy reached?//
BTW. Silence as you know indicates tacit approval.
;)
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 9:11:28am |
re: #489 Gus
Sounds like his regular voice to me. He's got a very light, airy inflection. It is funny to see guys acting weird about the color pink.
I look good in pink.
| 493 |
Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 9:12:34am |
Obama: Romney Wants To ‘Etch A Sketch’ His Auto Bailout Position
President Obama mocked Mitt Romney on Wednesday for saying he deserves credit for Detroit’s resurgence — despite, to this day, opposing the rescue package that experts and officials across party lines say was responsible.
“I think this is one of his Etch-a-Sketch moments,” a laughing Obama told ABC News in an interview that aired on “Good Morning America” Thursday. “I don’t think anybody takes that seriously. People remember his position, which was, ‘Let’s let Detroit go bankrupt.’ Had we followed his advice at that time, Chrysler would have gone under and we would have lost a million jobs throughout the Midwest.”
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 10, 2012 9:12:46am |
U.S. downs test missile with new interceptor
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces said they had destroyed a target in the first successful test of the Navy's newest anti-missile interceptor, designed to protect allies from attacks by countries like North Korea and Iran.
A target ballistic missile was downed near Hawaii late on Wednesday by the latest Raytheon Co-built Standard Missile-3 interceptor, the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency (MDA) said.
The advanced interceptor is key to the next phase of an anti-missile shield being built by the United States in and around Europe.
The United States plans to deploy increasingly capable SM-3 versions up to around 2020 to boost defenses against missiles that could be fired by Iran and North Korea.
"Initial indications are that all components performed as designed," the agency said in an emailed statement.
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 9:14:20am |
re: #492 Obdicut
Sounds like his regular voice to me. He's got a very light, airy inflection. It is funny to see guys acting weird about the color pink.
I look good in pink.
The assignation of colours to boys and girls is a recent event started by department stores to help sales.
For some reason (keep girls icky and separate from boys), we've made the colours inherent in gender.
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wrenchwench Thu, May 10, 2012 9:15:08am |
In Las Cruces, NM, a pit bull killed a 15 month old girl. Her grandmother, who owned the dog and the house where it happened, was trying to protect the girl from the dog and was yelling for help. A helpful neighbor tried to shoot the dog, but shot the grandmother. She's going to be OK. The neighbor did chase down the dog and kill it.
No charges likely in Las Cruces pit bull shooting
Horrible all the way around. If I were the grandmother, I think I'd wish I were dead.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 9:15:23am |
re: #491 Gus
BTW. Silence as you know indicates tacit approval.
;)
Oh!
I suppose my this standard we have people who agree with bigot Romney here?
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 9:15:24am |
re: #492 Obdicut
Sounds like his regular voice to me. He's got a very light, airy inflection. It is funny to see guys acting weird about the color pink.
I look good in pink.
BTW, I wanted to make a really misogynistic joke here. You can probably guess what.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 9:15:28am |
re: #495 Cathartic Expression
Pink used to be the manly color, since it was red junior. It switched sometime shortly after the turn of the century.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:17:48am |
re: #495 Cathartic Expression
The assignation of colours to boys and girls is a recent event started by department stores to help sales.
For some reason (keep girls icky and separate from boys), we've made the colours inherent in gender.
...
If womens weren't raising boys to become beta-males we wouldn't have to worry about them wearing the color pink. Raising alpha-males, the way my mother raised me, creates a child that chooses the color intended for his gender as a "natural born alpha-male." Of course now my problem is that I can't find a girlfriend because all womens seem to want is a beta-male. I'd rather die single as an alpha-male then give in to this beta-male gender treachery!!!!
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Lidane Thu, May 10, 2012 9:17:55am |
No surprise -- they're all from conservatives and/or Republicans:
Worst Twitter Reactions To Obama’s Support For Marriage Equality
I look forward to seeing them push Mitt further and further to the right on this issue all through the election.
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 9:18:00am |
re: #496 wrenchwench
In Las Cruces, NM, a pit bull killed a 15 month old girl. Her grandmother, who owned the dog and the house where it happened, was trying to protect the girl from the dog and was yelling for help. A helpful neighbor tried to shoot the dog, but shot the grandmother. She's going to be OK. The neighbor did chase down the dog and kill it.
No charges likely in Las Cruces pit bull shooting
Horrible all the way around. If I were the grandmother, I think I'd wish I were dead.
Shit. I hate it when a dog causes a youngsters death, you never know if it was the dog or the owners treatment of the dog.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:18:44am |
re: #497 May Day! May Day!
Oh!
I suppose my this standard we have people who agree with bigot Romney here?
I have no idea. They haven't spoken out. ;) ;)
//
EI! EI! Oooooooo.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 10, 2012 9:19:41am |
re: #502 Cathartic Expression
Shit. I hate it when a dog causes a youngsters death, you never know if it was the dog or the owners treatment of the dog.
I came close to experiencing the same thing about 8 years ago with my kids. It's horrifying to think about.
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 9:19:45am |
re: #499 Obdicut
Pink used to be the manly color, since it was red junior. It switched sometime shortly after the turn of the century.
I believe it was right after WWI, but my memory is pretty crappy.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:20:42am |
re: #505 Cathartic Expression
I believe it was right after WWI, but my memory is pretty crappy.
Memory? You mean to tell me you were around right after WWI?
//
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, May 10, 2012 9:21:07am |
re: #505 Cathartic Expression
Color wasn't invented until after WWII
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 10, 2012 9:22:22am |
re: #507 Tommy's cone of shame
Color wasn't invented until after WWII
I told my kids that and they believed me. Heh.
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 9:23:23am |
re: #506 Gus
Memory? You mean to tell me you were around right after WWI?
//
In one of my incarnations.
I was also Cleopatra's Asp at one time.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:24:06am |
Ken Hates Fags
May 10, 2012 at 11:18 am PZ Myers
I’m sure you’ve all been wondering what the views of professional ignoramus Ken Ham are on gay marriage…well, at least those of you who haven’t read the Answers in Genesis articles on homosexuality before. No surprise, Ken Ham is on the side of the haters...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 9:25:04am |
re: #509 Cathartic Expression
In one of my incarnations.
I was also Cleopatra's Asp at one time.
Also Balaam's Ass.
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Obdicut Thu, May 10, 2012 9:26:11am |
re: #509 Cathartic Expression
Cleopatra committed suicide by holding a beast to her ass.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:27:03am |
BREAKING: DOJ sues Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio over alleged abuse of Latinos tpm.ly/J3njgA— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) May 10, 2012
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b_sharp Thu, May 10, 2012 9:27:14am |
re: #512 Obdicut
Cleopatra committed suicide by holding a beast to her ass.
The beast didn't survive the ordeal.
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Gus Thu, May 10, 2012 9:29:38am |
Oh noz! The next thread will only "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!!!!" Off to the Lizard Lounge I goes!
Derp.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 9:30:29am |
So this guy not only wants to stone gays:
[Link: cosmicx.blogspot.de...]
Lt. Col. Shalom Eisner Relieved of Command Duties
I think that Chief of Staff Gantz has made a major error here:[...]
Does Gantz realize how much encouragement he has given to the terror supporters? Does he realize how he has demoralized his troops?
Now Shalom Eisner will have more time to learn Torah. Good for him!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 10, 2012 9:31:08am |
re: #427 NJDhockeyfan
An FBI agent and a Homeland Security agent stopped by the house at 92 Atwater St. on Monday, according to neighbor Andres Hammer, who lives upstairs from the ex-occupiers. The Homeland Security agent was looking for Aubin and Tommy Doomsday, another former occupier, Hammer said.
His name is Tommy Doomsday?
If only he'd gone to medical school...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 10, 2012 9:36:46am |
re: #438 May Day! May Day!
It is, indeed. I would've suspected Saudis.
Maybe the school is Shiite...maybe Iran is offering a better deal...
Although the Saudis love giving away books. I met a lady once who distributed copies of the Koran for free--beautiful editions, hardbound--at an interfaith conference. I asked how she could afford to give them away, and she told me that the Saudis distribute them worldwide. Her husband was the imam of a mosque in Germany, so she'd just call the number and say they needed a few boxes for a conference, and they'd arrive free of charge.
She had a few things to say about the Saudis, but, on the other hand, she pointed out, they weren't making any money off her, and look, beautiful Korans.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, May 10, 2012 9:36:48am |
re: #518 May Day! May Day!
[Link: cosmicx.blogspot.de...]
Tuesday the 18th of Chesvan 21 years since the murder of the holy leader of Israel
Rabbi Meir David Kahane (my God avenge his blood)
Today everybody knows:
Rabbi Kahane was right!
The ascent to his grave on Har HaMenuchot at 4 PM.
The Central Memorial Gathering
Will take place on Tuesday the 18th of Chesvan (15.11.11) at 6:00PM
at the Heichal David Hall
14 Oholiav St. Jerusalem, near the Central Bus Station
With the participation of
MK Dr. Michael Ben Ari
Family, rabbis, and public officials
Those interested in holding a memorial where they live please call 02-5823540
www.rabbikahane.org
Hope to be there!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, May 10, 2012 9:37:29am |
re: #495 Cathartic Expression
The assignation of colours to boys and girls is a recent event started by department stores to help sales.
For some reason (keep girls icky and separate from boys), we've made the colours inherent in gender.
Pink shirts on young men in the 50s was a big thing.
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