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WaPo: Romney’s High School Anti-Gay Bullying

“He can’t look like that. That’s wrong. Just look at him!”
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The Washington Post has a piece on Mitt Romney’s high school days at an exclusive upper class prep school, featuring a disturbing incident of anti-gay bullying: Mitt Romney’s Prep School Classmates Recall Pranks, but Also Troubling Incidents.

Mitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn’t having it.

“He can’t look like that. That’s wrong. Just look at him!” an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann’s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber’s look, Friedemann recalled.

A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school’s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber’s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

The question, of course, is how much this incident tells us about the Mitt Romney of 2012. At 18 years old, most people do things that seem silly or mean years later. But there’s something especially troubling about this; it seems to reveal a privileged young man with no empathy at all for those who were different.

And the question is, how much has Mitt Romney really changed since those days?

Perhaps even more disturbing: in this incident we see the special treatment granted to people like Romney. He suffered no consequences at all for his sadistic prank.

“It happened very quickly, and to this day it troubles me,” said Buford, the school’s wrestling champion, who said he joined Romney in restraining Lauber. Buford subsequently apologized to Lauber, who was “terrified,” he said. “What a senseless, stupid, idiotic thing to do.”

“It was a hack job,” recalled Maxwell, a childhood friend of Romney who was in the dorm room when the incident occurred. “It was vicious.”

“He was just easy pickins,” said Friedemann, then the student prefect, or student authority leader of Stevens Hall, expressing remorse about his failure to stop it.

The incident transpired in a flash, and Friedemann said Romney then led his cheering schoolmates back to his bay-windowed room in Stevens Hall.

Friedemann, guilt ridden, made a point of not talking about it with his friend and waited to see what form of discipline would befall Romney at the famously strict institution. Nothing happened.

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1 Kragar  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:32:22am

Its good to be the king.

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:35:12am

I was widely considered to be gay in high school. Not that I was at all, I just did not share any interest in "normal" guy things like organized sports or muscle cars.

I was into art, music and literature, and tended to hang out with other simlarly idiosyncratic social outcasts (several of whom later came out as gay).

And although I was interested in women at least theoretically, I was too socially inept to actually have a real girlfriend, and when I did finally sort of find one, she went to a different school.

I do feel a great deal of sympathy for anyone who was picked on for not living up to mediocre, malicious people's standards of appearance and behavior.

3 Obdicut  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:35:35am

I don't find this a big deal. I find his current objection to gays marrying a much bigger deal. But I do find it weird that apparently everyone else can remember this just fine, but it totally escapes him.

4 Kragar  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:37:21am

re: #3 Obdicut

I don't find this a big deal. I find his current objection to gays marrying a much bigger deal. But I do find it weird that apparently everyone else can remember this just fine, but it totally escapes him.

"When I was in high school, the haircuts were all the right length."

5 Gus  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:37:33am

But it is the story involving John Lauber, described as “a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney … walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye” that may cause problems for the former governor. After Romney rounded up some friends, including Matthew Friedmann, who gave his version of the story to the Post, “they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.”

Lauber, who died in 2004, was traumatized by the incident, according to a witness who bumped into him years later at a bar in Chicago O’Hare International Airport. “It was horrible,” Lauber reportedly told David Seed, a witness to the event, who apologized to Lauber for not helping stop it, the Post said.

Source.

What a creep. "Apology" not accepted.

6 Obdicut  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:37:55am

re: #2 Expand Your Ground

Lot of people thought I was gay because I hung out with the girls.

Yeah, that's high school logic for you.

Then in college, I somehow got misidentified as the campus leader of GLADD, so I got a lot of random first-years coming out to me. Which was kind of sweet, really, in the end. I wound up joining GLADD as a token heterosexual.

7 Kragar  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:41:16am

VA GOP: calls for "Armed Revolution" was a metaphor.

The media in Greene County and nearby Charlottesville took note of our report and ran their own stories on McPhee’s call for armed revolution. McPhee got defensive after the local media began investigating. He claimed in a statement posted on the Greene County GOP website yesterday that the “media hype” was all a misunderstanding because he was just speaking metaphorically. When he wrote “armed revolution,” he was really just talking about people speaking out:

~ all this rip roar Media hype..... is all about.....being armed with the voices of We the people.....you must arm yourself with a spoken word to be heard ~ just as the founding fathers spoke out during the revolution......So, Yes, arm yourself with many voices for the people and by the people....as your constitution allows....should the vote fail ....this November or at anytime......

~ Being Armed with Your Voices of We The People is The Only Way if Any Vote Should Fail No Matter Who You Vote for ~

" your voice being heard is the best method "

~ God Bless America ~

What he originally said:

In the coming days and weeks ~ we the people must come to grasp as a common force, our very soul’s, that our future as a sovereign nation is indeed at risk.

If every single individual that you know, would contact 25 other individuals ~ we can make a difference that will be heard across the Commonwealth and in Washington.

The ultimate task for the people is to remain vigilant and aware ~ that the government, their government is out of control, and this moment, this opportunity, must not be forsaken, must not escape us, for we shall not have any coarse but armed revolution should we fail with the power of the vote in November ~ This Republic cannot survive for 4 more years underneath this political socialist ideologue.

8 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:41:27am

re: #3 Obdicut

I don't find this a big deal. I find his current objection to gays marrying a much bigger deal. But I do find it weird that apparently everyone else can remember this just fine, but it totally escapes him.

Must have been too busy clinging to fond memories of sticking his dog atop his car for 12 hour car rides....

9 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:42:08am

Like I said, several of my best high school and college buddies later came out of the closet. I just tended to hang out with idiosyncratic, creative people. For that, I have never had any questions about my sexual identity, I have been full-on hetero as far back as I can remember.

10 Kronocide  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:42:33am

Token heterosexual made me laugh.

I'm glad you posted this Charles. Though we all do things we regret at that age, this is worth pursuing to see if the person in focus has changed... or not.

11 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:42:41am

Funny he has no memory of this whatsever but his classmates remember it well. It's not a big issue but what is a big issue is his campaign coming out in support of a federal amendment against gay marriage.

12 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:44:09am

Not sure what to make of this. If this had happened when he was 14, I would just say, "So what? 14 year olds are basically wild animals. Some learn better, some become criminals and talk-show hosts."
There is a lot of difference between 14 and 18, though, an awful lot. 18 year olds can vote (though not in 1965 when this happened). At the very least, it points to an arrogant, controlling mindset that he would have to have made a conscious effort to alter in later years. I'm willing to accept that he could sincerely make such an effort, but he needs to speak up and say so if he did. He needs to respond to this.

13 jaunte  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:44:23am
14 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:46:06am

I was a college freshman when I was 18. Immature, yes, but not to the point of doing something like this and if I had, I'd own up to it like the classmates have done rather than run away.

15 Gus  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:46:09am

The Post also detailed incidents in which Romney said “Atta girl,” in class to a closeted gay student, and deliberately held a door closed while an sight-impaired teacher walked into it.

Creep.

16 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:46:40am

What we tend to easily forget is the common and trivial to our experience.

17 wrenchwench  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:46:45am

Forcibly cutting someone's hair is a big deal. I think it was even a bigger deal in the sixties, if an assault like that can have varying degrees of importance. It was sometimes an assault on a 'hippie', rather than someone thought to be gay.

18 b_sharp  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:47:03am

re: #5 Gus

But it is the story involving John Lauber, described as “a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney … walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye” that may cause problems for the former governor. After Romney rounded up some friends, including Matthew Friedmann, who gave his version of the story to the Post, “they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.”

Lauber, who died in 2004, was traumatized by the incident, according to a witness who bumped into him years later at a bar in Chicago O’Hare International Airport. “It was horrible,” Lauber reportedly told David Seed, a witness to the event, who apologized to Lauber for not helping stop it, the Post said.

Source.

What a creep. "Apology" not accepted.

I'm mostly concerned by the lack of empathy and the embrace of violence portrayed by this event. People like this find it entertaining to abuse others, using any excuse they can find to justify their behaviour.

19 freetoken  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:47:35am

This, in all likelihood, will not affect these people:

Poll: Romney behind Bush, McCain in evangelical support

Even before he announced his support for same-sex marriage, President Obama was badly trailing Republican Mitt Romney among evangelical Christians, the group most committed to traditional forms of marriage, according to a new poll about the attitudes of religious voters.

Romney led Obama by 68% to 19% among evangelicals in the poll released Thursday by the Public Religion Research Institute and the Religion News Service. The nationwide poll was conducted over four days ending Sunday, well before Obama's remarks about same-sex marriage. (And no questions were asked on that topic.)

The good news for the Obama campaign is that Romney doesn't have as much support yet among evangelicals as Republican John McCain did in the 2008 election, when exit polls showed that he had captured 73% of the evangelical vote. George W. Bush did even better in 2004, when he claimed 79% of evangelicals.

But the poll does suggest erosion for Obama, who received 26% of the evangelical vote in 2008.

[...]

20 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:47:51am
21 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:48:47am

re: #17 wrenchwench

Forcibly cutting someone's hair is a big deal. I think it was even a bigger deal in the sixties, if an assault like that can have varying degrees of importance. It was sometimes an assault on a 'hippie', rather than someone thought to be gay.

I agree - this goes way past a simple prank. It was a sadistic assault.

22 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:49:27am

re: #15 Gus

The Post also detailed incidents in which Romney said “Atta girl,” in class to a closeted gay student, and deliberately held a door closed while an sight-impaired teacher walked into it.

Creep.

Yeah the story about the sight-impaired teacher shows a Mitt Romney who thinks he's better than everyone else.

23 b_sharp  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:49:42am

re: #15 Gus

The Post also detailed incidents in which Romney said “Atta girl,” in class to a closeted gay student, and deliberately held a door closed while an sight-impaired teacher walked into it.

Creep.

I think it's appropriate to use 'prick' here.

24 [deleted]  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:49:58am
25 Gus  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:50:12am

re: #23 Cathartic Expression

I think it's appropriate to use 'prick' here.

Can't argue with that.

26 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:50:32am

Stop the presses!
Mitt Romney apologizes for the ‘dumb things’ he did in prep school

well, sort of......

Mitt Romney has apologized for incidents described in a Washington Post story about his prep school years in Michigan. Some of the events include forcibly cutting a boys' hair and hassling a closeted gay student in English class.
"Back in high school, I did some dumb things," Romney said in an interview on the "Kilmeade and Friends" talk show on Fox News radio Thursday. "And if anybody was hurt by that or offended by that, I apologize." He added: "There is no question I became a very different person since then."
Romney emphasized that he had no idea the boy was gay. "I certainly don't believe that I thought the fellow was homosexual," said Romney in the radio interview. "That was the furthest thing from our minds back in the 1960s." (emphasis added)

weasel

27 b_sharp  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:50:39am

re: #20 ggt

Happy Afternoon!

No it's not. It's only 10:49am.

It says so on the clock right in front of me.

28 freetoken  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:50:42am

re: #18 Cathartic Expression

The act itself strikes me as not unusual for a teenager. I do find it sadly typical that the school did nothing about it. Also typical is Romney as a young person channeling the programming his parents and his religion put in him.

29 b_sharp  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:51:24am

re: #20 ggt

Happy Afternoon!

Shouldn't there be one with a plug?

30 Kragar  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:51:47am

Come on now who hasn't:

Gathered a group of his peers to hold down and forcibly cut another persons hair.

Strapped a small animal in a cage to the roof of his car for hours at a time.

Made a $10k bet over trivial nonsense.

Got an elevator for his cars in his third home.

31 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:52:17am
The question, of course, is how much this incident tells us about the Mitt Romney of 2012. At 18 years old, most people do things that seem silly or mean years later.

Correct, personally I don't think this tells us much of anything about the current Romney more than 45 years later. The boarding school environment and it's bias towards universal conformance with a certain image and comportment is probably equally to blame here. (especially back then when some of the staff were most likely also involved in getting "someone" to do something about it)

This just does not seem to be a fair or relevant reference that can be used to try to ascertain anything about Romney's character today.

32 jaunte  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:52:30am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

"There is no question I became a very different person since then."

What life-changing event caused that to happen, I wonder?

33 Lidane  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:53:13am

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

Not sure what to make of this. If this had happened when he was 14, I would just say, "So what? 14 year olds are basically wild animals. Some learn better, some become criminals and talk-show hosts."

When I first heard about this, I heard "prep school" and assumed that Mitt was maybe 12-13 years old at the time so my initial reaction was that what he did as a kid didn't matter as much as what he'd do as an adult.

That changed once I realized he was 18 when this happened. He's got to answer questions about this, and to clear the air. Saying he doesn't remember much or trying to minimize it won't help him at all.

There is a lot of difference between 14 and 18, though, an awful lot. 18 year olds can vote (though not in 1965 when this happened). At the very least, it points to an arrogant, controlling mindset that he would have to have made a conscious effort to alter in later years. I'm willing to accept that he could sincerely make such an effort, but he needs to speak up and say so if he did. He needs to respond to this.

18 year olds can also go to war, but in Mitt's case he chose to protest for the Vietnam war then head overseas instead of serving. That's also a problem.

34 wrenchwench  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:53:34am

re: #24 MikeySDCA

1965 was too early for "hippie", but your point is a good one.

I grew up in California. By 1965 there were 'flower children' for sure, the predecessors of hippies.

35 wrenchwench  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:55:01am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I agree - this goes way past a simple prank. It was a sadistic assault.

Cue the 'jazzy ponytail' freaks.

36 Obdicut  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:55:13am

re: #31 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I basically agree with you-- and I think it's likely the administration turned a blind eye not because of Romney's father's influence, but just because queer-bashing was totally acceptable back then.

But saying that you don't remember something like this is still pretty weird.

37 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:55:25am

You know, he may be telling the truth when he says he doesn't remember because the incident doesn't seem to have bothered him at all.

38 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:55:55am

re: #34 wrenchwench

I grew up in California. By 1965 there were 'flower children' for sure, the predecessors of hippies.

Beatniks
Maynard G. Krebs ("G" stood for "Walter")

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:56:20am

I see no point in dwelling on this incident other than taking note that it occurred.

I would concentrate more on the fact that if he gets elected, Romney will be forced to bow and scrape to the most fundamentalist conservative idologues in Washington in order to get anything done, even within his own party.

40 jaunte  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:56:29am
41 wrenchwench  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:56:45am

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel

Beatniks
Maynard G. Krebs ("G" stood for "Walter")

Predecessors to the flower children.

42 Kragar  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:57:24am

So much for it being a State's rights issue

Top Romney Adviser: We’ll Campaign On Constitutional Marriage Ban

While just 2 days ago

PRIEBUS: I think Governor Romney and the Republican Party have been pretty clear. We believe marriage is between one man and one woman. We believe, ultimately, that you can’t federalize that kind of mandate, which is why we believe that individual states can make those decisions on their own, and they’re doing that across the country. So we’ve been clear.

43 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:57:53am

Seem to recall that Bob Denver went on to become first Gilligan and then one of Hollywood's more notorious stoners...

44 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:58:10am

re: #27 Cathartic Expression

No it's not. It's only 10:49am.

It says so on the clock right in front of me.

Ok, it's 11:57 here.

It's afternoon somewhere!

45 wrenchwench  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:58:11am

re: #37 HappyWarrior

You know, he may be telling the truth when he says he doesn't remember because the incident doesn't seem to have bothered him at all.

Total lack of empathy makes it possible.

46 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:58:26am

re: #29 Cathartic Expression

Shouldn't there be one with a plug?

duct tape woud suffice --no?

47 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:59:16am

re: #40 jaunte

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Ah the power of selective memory. Honestly, to me, it's funny to look at my Dad and other men of his generations' high school photos. Short hair, tie and suit, look a few years later, long hair and beards. In the current issue of Rolling Stone, there's an article on Duane Allman, picture of him and Gregg in HS and then a couple years later.

48 Kragar  Thu, May 10, 2012 9:59:19am

re: #34 wrenchwench

I grew up in California. By 1965 there were 'flower children' for sure, the predecessors of hippies.

49 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:00:16am

Interesting. In USSR there were various groups of thugs (lyubera and others) who used to beat up neformaly (punks, hippies etc.) and to cut off their hair.

50 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:00:24am

re: #36 Obdicut

I basically agree with you-- and I think it's likely the administration turned a blind eye not because of Romney's father's influence, but just because queer-bashing was totally acceptable back then.

But saying that you don't remember something like this is still pretty weird.

I see it as total male dominance --not a prank, not a statement of protest, but preying on someone weaker to show dominance.

51 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:01:01am

re: #43 Expand Your Ground

Seem to recall that Bob Denver went on to become first Gilligan and then one of Hollywood's more notorious stoners...

His next door neighbor said he used to spend time in the backyard tripping on acid and letting his pet monkey run around.

52 Gus  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:01:16am

re: #49 May Day! May Day!

Interesting. In USSR there were various groups thugs (lyubera and others) who used to beat up neformaly (punks, hippies etc.) and to cut off their hair.

Romney's little stunt reminds me of these guys: Image: tumblr_lrlmf9p7OC1qzozj1.jpg

53 [deleted]  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:01:17am
54 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:01:46am

re: #52 Gus

Romney's little stunt reminds me of these guys: Image: tumblr_lrlmf9p7OC1qzozj1.jpg

aww

55 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:02:21am

My dad, youngest of six has a story when he was 9-10ish in the early 60's coming back from a trip to NYC with his dad and brothers and seeing beatniks and wanting to be like them. My uncles laughed at the "freaks." By decade's end, all of them would be growing their hair out or facial hair. Last fall was my last semester in college so I decided to grow mine out too. Funny times.

56 Gus  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:02:26am

re: #54 May Day! May Day!

aww

Funny how they of all people would have strict grooming values.

//

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:02:46am

re: #2 Expand Your Ground

I was widely considered to be gay in high school. Not that I was at all, I just did not share any interest in "normal" guy things like organized sports or muscle cars.

I was into art, music and literature, and tended to hang out with other simlarly idiosyncratic social outcasts (several of whom later came out as gay).

And although I was interested in women at least theoretically, I was too socially inept to actually have a real girlfriend, and when I did finally sort of find one, she went to a different school.

I do feel a great deal of sympathy for anyone who was picked on for not living up to mediocre, malicious people's standards of appearance and behavior.

I remember these endless conversations with a couple of high school 'friends' who kept insisting that there was a rumor going around school that I was a lesbian, which I must fight by doing X things, mostly involving more makeup, and getting a boyfriend.

They were most horrified that I did not consider the existence of this hypothetical rumor worth dedicating any time to squelching.

58 wrenchwench  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:02:57am

re: #50 ggt

I see it as total male dominance --not a prank, not a statement of protest, but preying on someone weaker to show dominance.

I'm trying not to use the word 'rape'. It's not rape, but it is what you said.

59 Gus  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:03:02am

Someone should hold down Ted Nugent and cut off his long hair.

//

Irony.

60 Kragar  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:03:06am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Ah the power of selective memory. Honestly, to me, it's funny to look at my Dad and other men of his generations' high school photos. Short hair, tie and suit, look a few years later, long hair and beards. In the current issue of Rolling Stone, there's an article on Duane Allman, picture of him and Gregg in HS and then a couple years later.

My Dad was in the Marines from 60-64, was on the boats ready to invade during the Cuban Missile crisis. After he got out, he spent a few years in Washington D.C. as a bartender during the big protest years. Photos look like 2 completely different people.

61 drool  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:03:26am

What Romney said later in years is the telling point. Rather than condemning what he did he dismisses it as a silly high school prank and just "dumb". That speaks volumes.

62 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:03:28am

re: #59 Gus

Someone should hold down Ted Nugent and cut of his long hair.

//

Irony.

Yeah, good luck with that!

LOL

63 Kragar  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:03:42am

re: #50 ggt

I see it as total male dominance --not a prank, not a statement of protest, but preying on someone weaker to show dominance.

"A NON CONFORMIST!!! GET HIM!!!"

64 Four More Tears  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:03:54am

This is great news for John McCain.

65 Gus  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:04:00am

re: #62 ggt

Yeah, good luck with that!

LOL

Dave Mustaine?

Wango tango!

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:04:11am

re: #59 Gus

Someone should hold down Ted Nugent and cut of his long hair.

//

Irony.

Who would want to touch him? There isn't enough soap...

67 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:04:30am

To those who think this is no big thing, Mittens did some truly hateful and viscous things because he thought he was better than everyone else.

Then he went to Bain and destroyed companies and peoples lives because he still thought he was better than everyone else.

Now he want to be allowed to lead the nation because he still has this fantasy that he is better than everyone else.

No.

This is a mirror of who he was and who he is.

A coward and a bully at heart.

That is why this matters, deeply.

68 Gus  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:04:31am

re: #66 May Day! May Day!

Who would want to touch him? There isn't enough soap...

Haz-mat suits.

69 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:05:00am

re: #63 Kragar

"A NON CONFORMIST!!! GET HIM!!!"

Yeah, cowardice. Nothing but insecurity.

70 wrenchwench  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:05:38am

re: #61 drool

What Romney said later in years is the telling point. Rather than condemning what he did he dismisses it as a silly high school prank and just "dumb". That speaks volumes.

Lack of empathy.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:05:40am

re: #17 wrenchwench

Forcibly cutting someone's hair is a big deal. I think it was even a bigger deal in the sixties, if an assault like that can have varying degrees of importance. It was sometimes an assault on a 'hippie', rather than someone thought to be gay.

A guy I know wore his hair long throughout the seventies, while his grandmother deplored it. When he decided to cut it, he and his sister staged a fight at the dinner table which 'escalated' to her chopping off his pony tail with a pair of scissors. His grandmother was thrilled.

Meanwhile, in at least one translation I've read of Aristophanes' plays, the old men denounce the young men for having short hair.

72 abolitionist  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:05:44am

re: #43 Expand Your Ground

Seem to recall that Bob Denver went on to become first Gilligan and then one of Hollywood's more notorious stoners...

Before Gilligan, he was the beatnick sidekick/friend on Dobbie Gilis.

73 Simply Sarah  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:06:02am

Personally, I'm willing to cut an 18 year old a lot of slack on foolish/wrong things they do, since I know I wasn't over doing really stupid stuff by that age. Which isn't to say that excuses his actions, because it doesn't.

What offends me deeply, however, is the fact that Mitt apparently does not see fit to give a real apology for his actions now. That is what indicates to me that a person either hasn't really changed or doesn't care enough to admit it. I did some, at least in my mind, pretty horrible things when I was younger (Up until only a few years, really) and I cannot make up for them, but what I can do is acknowledge what I did, apologize to those I've wronged when possible, and not fucking pretend I didn't do anything wrong. That's what I want. That's probably not anything I'll ever get from Mitt.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:06:03am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Yeah the story about the sight-impaired teacher shows a Mitt Romney who thinks he's better than everyone else.

Bad middos.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:06:33am

re: #45 wrenchwench

Total lack of empathy makes it possible.

That emotion was left out of the most recent Romneybot 6000 OS due to persistent bugs in the flip-flop states being empathy and antipathy causing a facial effect where the left-half would grin, and the right-half would frown.

An unexplained feature was also the Romneybot's continued declaration that he could come out of retirement and start at quarterback for the Packers for another season. As long as he did not have to wear pants.
/

76 allegro  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:06:41am

re: #31 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Correct, personally I don't think this tells us much of anything about the current Romney more than 45 years later. The boarding school environment and it's bias towards universal conformance with a certain image and comportment is probably equally to blame here. (especially back then when some of the staff were most likely also involved in getting "someone" to do something about it)

This just does not seem to be a fair or relevant reference that can be used to try to ascertain anything about Romney's character today.

If it was verbal bullying, I would agree with you. Kids don't realize the hurt that saying ugly things and shunning another kid can do. At 18, I think there should be much better awareness, but even then I could think, yeah, he was immature and could have grown up since.

The fact that it was a violent assault that he took part in as a leader of a pack of young men isn't just thoughtless words. His response today about the incident show no awareness still of the harm really done. It was a nonpology of IF anyone was offended. Are you kidding me? Compare that to the real remorse felt by other participants and the one who failed to stop it. This is the most bothersome thing about the incident today. He still doesn't get it.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:07:12am

re: #30 Kragar

Come on now who hasn't:

Gathered a group of his peers to hold down and forcibly cut another persons hair.

Strapped a small animal in a cage to the roof of his car for hours at a time.

Made a $10k bet over trivial nonsense.

Got an elevator for his cars in his third home.

When I was seven, I think I bet my dad a hundred million trillion billion dollars over something.

He's retiring, and I'm sure he won, so it's probably time to pay up.

78 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:07:17am
79 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:07:24am

re: #60 Kragar

My Dad was in the Marines from 60-64, was on the boats ready to invade during the Cuban Missile crisis. After he got out, he spent a few years in Washington D.C. as a bartender during the big protest years. Photos look like 2 completely different people.

Heh I can imagine.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:09:08am

re: #58 wrenchwench

I'm trying not to use the word 'rape'. It's not rape, but it is what you said.

It's a sexualized assault. That's different from a sexual assault...but there's definitely more to it than just shoving around a classmate.

81 wrenchwench  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:09:12am

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

A guy I know wore his hair long throughout the seventies, while his grandmother deplored it. When he decided to cut it, he and his sister staged a fight at the dinner table which 'escalated' to her chopping off his pony tail with a pair of scissors. His grandmother was thrilled.

Meanwhile, in at least one translation I've read of Aristophanes' plays, the old men denounce the young men for having short hair.

I had an uncle with long hair in the sixties. His mother hated it. He got a really bad case of poison ivy and had to cut it. He cried, she didn't.

82 SmithCommaJohn  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:10:38am

Joffrey Baratheon for President!

83 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:10:56am

I have no problem with long hair --what I have a problem with is long hair that is not styled appropriately for the person and the type of hair. And that a lot of guys with long hair don't seem to brush it, they just gather it up and put in a pony tail.

Grooming --it's a matter of proper grooming.

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:12:16am

"homosexual"

Heh.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:16:17am

re: #82 SmithCommaJohn

Joffrey for President!

"Well, I'm against treason, and I'm also against judging a book by its cover, and I'm ALSO against murdering children ... but seriously, look at that fucking kid. Again, I'm not an advocate of harming children, but if there's any kid in the world who, at face value, was clearly evil, it's that kid, right there. Lord Children of the Corn, His Holiness of the Aryan Brotherhood, or whatever."

"You only say that because he had the good Ned Stark executed," Mertha said.

"He did that? This is the first I've heard of it. I actually don't know anything about this kid, I just ... I mean, look at him. He sucks. And he's objectively evil-looking. If I had to design someone to be the embodiment of slimy evil, he's the guy I'd design. He looks like if vanity, smugness and blond hair had a baby. He's what entitled douchebags bow and pray to at dawn. At all times he looks like he just can't wait to go home and smell his own poop. Slimy, slimy little twerp, I hate him."

86 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:16:42am

re: #67 William Barnett-Lewis

To those who think this is no big thing, Mittens did some truly hateful and viscous things because he thought he was better than everyone else.

Then he went to Bain and destroyed companies and peoples lives because he still thought he was better than everyone else.

Now he want to be allowed to lead the nation because he still has this fantasy that he is better than everyone else.

No.

This is a mirror of who he was and who he is.

A coward and a bully at heart.

That is why this matters, deeply.

And you don't at all find your own made up suppositions as to motive about an incident that happened more than 45 years ago and which we are only hearing about via recollections by people peripherally connected to the event to be suspect as well? No? Not at all?

Gee, it must be nice to be omniscient.

87 wrenchwench  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:28:18am

re: #86 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

And you don't at all find your own made up suppositions as to motive about an incident that happened more than 45 years ago and which we are only hearing about via recollections by people peripherally connected to the event to be suspect as well? No? Not at all?

Gee, it must be nice to be omniscient.

One of the people sharing recollections was a participant. Another spoke to the victim years later, and shared what the victim said about it. That's not peripheral.

88 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 10, 2012 10:42:39am

re: #86 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I remember the hurtful things I did and I am willing to own up to them and repent.

Mittens isn't.

Instead he's lived his whole life that way.

Doesn't take omnisciense to see that he's nothing but a bully and a coward who should not be allowed to have his hands on the football.


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