Video: Chris Matthews and Barney Frank vs. Hate Group Leader Tony Perkins

Family Research Council bigot on the hot seat
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Religious right hate group leader Tony Perkins really gets grilled in this Chris Matthews segment. Perkins is usually treated by the media as a legitimate commentator on gay issues, and his bigoted caveman views are almost never properly addressed; kudos to Chris Matthews for this one.

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1 The Left  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:29:51pm

"We are teaching them the right way to interact as human beings"

I beg to differ...

2 Gus  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:30:15pm

Tony "KKK Mailing List" Perkins

3 jaunte  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:30:22pm

Dance, Tony, dance.

4 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:30:59pm

Why do they even bother with this guy, anyway? Haters gonna hate and not add much anything of value beyond that.

5 Kragar  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:32:02pm

Tony Perkins is a vile excuse of a person.

6 wrenchwench  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:42:54pm
-6 Article rated by: floppy

Article: Video: Chris Matthews and Barney Frank vs. Hate Group Leader Tony Perkins

Somebody needs some ointment.

7 The Left  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:43:39pm

It's very cool that even Romney felt the need to come out in favour of gay people adopting-- there really is a sea change under way, no matter how much the fundies wish it weren't.

8 jaunte  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:45:38pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

When one has no argument, ointment will have to do.

9 Lidane  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:45:51pm

People like Tony Perkins are relics of the past.

It is inevitable that LGBT people will have marriage equality. You don't put civil rights up for a popular vote. We have never amended the Constitution to deny equality to others. Younger generations are far more open and accepting of LGBT relationships, including marriage. It's going to happen, whether the bigots like it or not.

10 wrenchwench  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:46:54pm

re: #8 jaunte

When one has no argument, ointment will have to do.

Or, as my little sister used to say, 'oinkment'.

11 jaunte  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:47:08pm

This talking point that we don't want to redefine marriage fails as soon as you consider how often we've redefined 'citizen.'

12 Randall Gross  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:48:10pm

OT: Meanwhile funny thing happened on the way to an outing:

13 alexknyc  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:48:32pm

re: #9 Lidane

People like Tony Perkins are relics of the past.

It is inevitable that LGBT people will have marriage equality. You don't put civil rights up for a popular vote. We have never amended the Constitution to deny equality to others. Younger generations are far more open and accepting of LGBT relationships, including marriage. It's going to happen, whether the bigots like it or not.

It's the same demographic shift that will have the GOP go the way of the dodo (and the Whigs) if they don't start thinking about how to win over groups other than middle-aged, straight white males.

Considering I'm one of their target audience, and I'm lukewarm at best to the Romneybot, they may need to upgrade that sales pitch too.

14 wrenchwench  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:49:24pm

re: #11 jaunte

This talking point that we don't want to redefine marriage fails as soon as you consider how often we've redefined 'citizen.'

When Rominee said, '3,000 years of history should not be tossed out so quickly', my first thought was 'and slavery?'

15 Randall Gross  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:49:51pm

Floppy as in bunny I bet.

16 Obdicut  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:50:38pm

He's such a coward, too.

17 Kragar  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:52:52pm

re: #16 Obdicut

He's such a coward, too.

I liked how Barney kept calling him out.

18 Batman  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:54:39pm

re: #12 Randall Gross

OT: Meanwhile funny thing happened on the way to an outing:

I love the comments at the Gawker article. Conservatives are discriminated against when they try to get jobs in Hollywood or the government or education. Lulz.

19 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:54:48pm

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a ...

Romney: Gay marriage stance was ‘not a religious decision’

“As a society, I think we’re better off if we encourage the establishment of homes with a mother and a father,” Romney told KETA-TV in an interview after his Thursday afternoon rally at an Omaha riverside restaurant.

Asked whether religion played a role in his position, Romney responded, “I indicated that’s based entirely upon a civil understanding of the needs of a society like our own.”

Pressed again on whether his faith had “any weight” in the decision, Romney said it did not.

“It’s not a religious decision,” he told KETA-TV. “It’s based upon what I believe is right for the nation and the building of strong generations for the future.”


[...]

The obvious slicing going on here is whether "his" religion is necessary the only one influencing Romney.

The truth is obvious - religion is influencing Romney's decision, but he is trying to position his actions on not being uniquely Mormon.

The question the reporter ought to have asked is if the religion of the SoCons is influencing Romney's position.

20 Kragar  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:57:39pm
21 The Left  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:57:46pm

This is from a couple of days ago, but I didn't see it til now:

On Fox, "Hate Group" Leader Pam Geller Says Obama "Switched Sides" In War On Terror

Sean Hannity invited anti-Muslim "hate group" leader Pam Geller onto his Fox News show to analyze current events again, and Geller used the opportunity to accuse President Obama of being in league with terrorists.

On the May 7 edition of his show, Hannity led a discussion of a Washington Post report that the U.S. has been releasing prisoners in Afghanistan "as part of negotiations with insurgent groups." During the discussion, Geller said that Obama "has basically declared the war on terror over." Hannity interjected, "Two weeks ago." (This accusation is presumably based on the overhyping of a single quote from an anonymous State Department official.)

Geller continued, "Two weeks ago. And frankly, he's not just declared it over, he's switched sides. The very idea that we've been releasing jihadists for years is not an act of appeasement, it's an act of surrender."

22 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 11, 2012 12:57:58pm

Why does Tony Perkins get treated with any medium of respect by the media? As Gus has already alluded to, this guy uses the KKK's mailing list to get support. Tells you all you need to know about him and his supporters.

23 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:00:19pm

re: #21 Millicent Islam

This is from a couple of days ago, but I didn't see it til now:

On Fox, "Hate Group" Leader Pam Geller Says Obama "Switched Sides" In War On Terror

"Switched sides", she's accusing the president of the United States of treason and that asshole Hannity is giving her an audience. Both of them can go to hell. President Obama's done more against terrorism in his little pinky than those two ever will.

24 Kragar  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:00:39pm

re: #19 freetoken

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a ...

Romney: Gay marriage stance was ‘not a religious decision’

The obvious slicing going on here is whether "his" religion is necessary the only one influencing Romney.

The truth is obvious - religion is influencing Romney's decision, but he is trying to position his actions on not being uniquely Mormon.

The question the reporter ought to have asked is if the religion of the SoCons is influencing Romney's position.

Religion asides, is there any actual real reason to object to gay marriage?

Most of the so called "scientific research" into the problems it causes have the same reliability as creationists and global warming debunkers.

It is completely a religious issue.

25 The Left  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:01:08pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

"Switched sides", she's accusing the president of the United States of treason and that asshole Hannity is giving her an audience. Both of them can go to hell. President Obama's done more against terrorism in his little pinky than those two ever will.

She's disgusting.

26 Obdicut  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:02:00pm

re: #24 Kragar

Religion asides, is there any actual real reason to object to gay marriage?.

Well, sure. The fascists' main objection to homosexuality was that it weakened the family and didn't lead to enough soldiers.

Other than that, no.

27 The Left  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:03:22pm

re: #24 Kragar

Religion asides, is there any actual real reason to object to gay marriage?

Most of the so called "scientific research" into the problems it causes have the same reliability as creationists and global warming debunkers.

It is completely a religious issue.

It undermines the social fabric, because two people loving each other and living together provides the worst possible example to children, plus it will automatically make all opposite-marriages null and void.

28 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:03:31pm

re: #25 Millicent Islam

She's disgusting.

She really is something else. Hannity's just as bad.

29 ArchangelMichael  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:03:49pm

re: #21 Millicent Islam

This is from a couple of days ago, but I didn't see it til now:

On Fox, "Hate Group" Leader Pam Geller Says Obama "Switched Sides" In War On Terror

Televised bag of hammers interviewing the normally untelevised bag of crazy.

30 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:03:57pm

re: #24 Kragar

Religion asides, is there any actual real reason to object to gay marriage?

Most of the so called "scientific research" into the problems it causes have the same reliability as creationists and global warming debunkers.

It is completely a religious issue.

Yeah, "Gays are gross and gross things offend me so ergo they shouldn't be legal."

31 The Left  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:04:31pm

re: #29 ArchangelMichael

Televised bag of hammers interviewing the normally untelevised bag of crazy.

Heh. Good one. Also, good to see you!

32 Lidane  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:04:46pm

re: #24 Kragar

Religion asides, is there any actual real reason to object to gay marriage?

No. It's entirely a religious objection.

There is no good or compelling legal argument for denying full marriage equality to LGBT people.

33 ArchangelMichael  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:05:45pm

re: #24 Kragar

Religion asides, is there any actual real reason to object to gay marriage?

Most of the so called "scientific research" into the problems it causes have the same reliability as creationists and global warming debunkers.

It is completely a religious issue.

I've been waiting to hear the secular reasoning. I've heard a few weak talking points but beyond that, crickets.

34 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:06:14pm

re: #32 Lidane

No. It's entirely a religious objection.

There is no good or compelling legal argument for denying full marriage equality to LGBT people.

I'd just make this little change.

35 jaunte  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:12:14pm
36 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:15:44pm

Continuing to look though the Something Awful thread on Arpaio, I am beginning to wonder if he committed Crimes Against Humanity. Actual, literal ones that would plop him in front of the ICC.

37 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:16:58pm

re: #36 ProGunLiberal

Continuing to look though the Something Awful thread on Arpaio, I am beginning to wonder if he committed Crimes Against Humanity. Actual, literal ones that would plop him in front of the ICC.

I don't think he can be brought before ICC since as I recall we're not signatories of that treaty. Or that could be the World Court. It's going to be interesting to see what happens there. Can't stand the guy, seems to think because he's the sheriff he can do whatever the hell he wants.

38 Lidane  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:18:00pm

re: #36 ProGunLiberal

No, not that I'm aware of.

Yes, he's a bastard and a racist and obviously, thoroughly corrupt, but I highly doubt he could be brought before the ICC.

39 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:18:27pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

I think we should sign those treaties personally.

It does seem he is operating his own little fiefdom with Jails that more resemble Iran than a Developed Western Republic.

40 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:20:13pm

A Brit sets out to determine:

How rational is America?

[...]

There is a familiar cliché in the UK media of an overtly religious, backward-looking, anti-intellectual and anti-science America, an America under sustained attack from the forces of irrationality.

It's true that professing atheism in America is still considered to be a brave and transgressive act. American sceptics, atheists, scientists and science educators are engaged in numerous battles. Creationists continue to push for the teaching of "intelligent design" alongside evolution in science classes. Campaigners fight to protect the right to legal and safe abortion, for the use of stem cells in medical research, and against the growing anti-vaccination movement.

At the same time conspiracy theories about a wide range of events from 9/11 to the moon landings remain widespread, and climate change denial continues to be a significant political force. Yet it remains a fact that America was founded on explicitly Enlightenment principles, is a bona fide secular state, will remain for the foreseeable future the number one country for science research in the world and contains a significant proportion of the world's top-rated universities. This contradiction has always interested me.

So on 12 May I'm travelling to America and embarking on a month-long, 6,000 mile road trip, with the aim of making a series of podcasts that present a wide-ranging overview of science and scepticism from an American perspective. I'll be interviewing scientists working on groundbreaking, cutting-edge science, educators combatting the encroachment of anti-science and irrationality into politics and the classroom, and writers attempting to popularise amazing ideas and concepts to the wider public.

[...]

41 AK-47%  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:21:52pm

I am glad that Barney F called perkins out for making assertions and then pretedending he hadn't. He tries to make his interlocutors look like they are persecuting him when he is the one spouting bigotry.

And I liked the reference to Dick Cheney.

42 Lidane  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:24:36pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

I don't think he can be brought before ICC since as I recall we're not signatories of that treaty. Or that could be the World Court.

We're signatories of the Rome Statute of the ICC, but both Republicans and Democrats have signaled that we likely won't ratify the treaty or become a full state party to it. They cite a fair number of constitutional issues, including the argument that signing on to the ICC would mean that SCOTUS would no longer be the final arbiter of American law:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

43 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:26:38pm

re: #42 Lidane

Considering how political the Supreme Court has become, I don't see a big deal here.

44 Lidane  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:29:44pm

re: #43 ProGunLiberal

Considering how political the Supreme Court has become, I don't see a big deal here.

Political or not, SCOTUS is still considered the final arbiter of American law and jurisprudence according to the Constitution. A lot of folks on both sides of the aisle really don't like the idea of losing that, or they think that changing that to accommodate the ICC would require an amendment.

It's a much bigger deal than you might think.

45 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:32:03pm

re: #44 Lidane

I just want to make sure we are adhering to International Law.

46 Lidane  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:35:41pm

re: #45 ProGunLiberal

That's the thing, though -- international law is a tricky proposition, because every country has its own interests to think about. There really isn't one, unified set of laws that is called "international law". It's more a process of navigating treaties and individual agreements between countries so you don't run afoul of their laws while trying to protect your own interests.

Take copyright laws. Our copyright laws are different from Australia's, for example. You can come into the States from Australia with a bunch of books that they consider in the public domain on your computer and still have your computer confiscated by US customs because those books are still under copyright here.

It's not as simple as it might initially appear. There's a lot more at work, and it's a big chess game.

47 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:36:30pm

It looks like Nebraska has another museum:

Bow man opens museum dedicated to creation

BROKEN BOW—Steve Sommer has a passion for challenging the theory of evolution—enough so that he is working tirelessly on a very special museum dedicated to that challenge. The Bone Yard Creation Museum is set to open some time this summer. Steve is shooting for mid to late June, but that is still up in the air. When completed, however, the museum will be quite the attraction. The museum and its counterpart, The Book Pile, is located along west Highway 2 in Broken Bow. “It (the museum) contrasts creative science with evolution—such things as how the earth originated and how you interpret fossils, with two totally different points of view,” Sommer explains. “Evolution says “big bang” around 13 billion years ago, while creationism is a direct interpretation of the Bible, which is in terms of thousands of years.”

Too bad that Brit guy won't be going through Nebraska. He will though hit up the Creation Museum in KY, though I suspect the smaller one in Nebraska would feel a bit homier.

48 Varek Raith  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:37:26pm

re: #20 Kragar

MSNBC Host Kicks Washington Examiner Reporter Off Her Show (VIDEO)

I get that paper for free every morning.
And I don't know why!

49 sagehen  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:37:31pm

re: #12 Randall Gross

OT: Meanwhile funny thing happened on the way to an outing:

[Embedded content]

that's priceless.

"UPDATE: Internet behemoth Matt Drudge, who has just directed his readers to this post, is also commonly understood to be gay.

UPDATE #2: Internet behemoth Matt Drudge, who is commonly understood to be gay, is no longer directing his readers to this post."

50 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:37:37pm

re: #47 freetoken

Oh look, another un-enlightened hick trying to drag the US into the dark ages.

51 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:40:35pm

re: #47 freetoken

It looks like Nebraska has another museum:

Too bad that Brit guy won't be going through Nebraska. He will though hit up the Creation Museum in KY, though I suspect the smaller one in Nebraska would feel a bit homier.

I dunno about you, but I'm kind of tired of Christian Creation Museums. Can't we get some variety here? Maybe a Vaishnavite Creation Museum or something?

52 Varek Raith  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:42:22pm

Hahaha! He got pwnd.

53 AK-47%  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:45:35pm

re: #51 Simply Sarah

I dunno about you, but I'm kind of tired of Christian Creation Museums. Can't we get some variety here? Maybe a Vaishnavite Creation Museum or something?

No, there is only one True Creation, the one in the Bible. The rest are just myths...

/

54 sagehen  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:48:27pm

re: #24 Kragar

Religion asides, is there any actual real reason to object to gay marriage?

Most of the so called "scientific research" into the problems it causes have the same reliability as creationists and global warming debunkers.

It is completely a religious issue.

According to my rabbi, the reason it was forbidden in Leviticus is "tiny little tribe with limited gene pool, high infant mortality rate, and decades of war scheduled that'll need as many troops as we can muster." Plus, "no indoor plumbing, do you know how disgusting it would be to have anal sex and not be able to bathe or shower after?"

i.e., to quote a presidential press secretary of my youth, "That statement is no longer operative."

(p.s. -- King David was allowed a boyfriend on the side, on condition that he breed prolifically. Sadly, his breeding was anything but prolific. Odd, considering how many "wives" he had).

55 AK-47%  Fri, May 11, 2012 1:58:04pm

There is no more emotion more powerful than self-loathing.

Except maybe self-loathing projected onto another individual or group of individuals whose appearance/behavior causes these people to be reimded of their own wretched self-loathing.

And there are certainly self-loathing, repressed homosexuals among Fundamentalist Christians who project their own religion-induced hatred of their hidden longings onto people who are open about their preferences.

A retired Anglican Bishop, John Shelby Spong, made a rather convincing case that St. Paul himself fit that category:

56 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:03:04pm

re: #55 Expand Your Ground

Fundamentalists hate books like that one (as one can see in the reviews.)

Having said that, it is unlikely that one Saul of Tarsus could credibly be analyzed as being this or that kind of person. There is just too little data. Many have tried to show said Saul/Paul hated women and thus may have suffered a bitter divorce himself, but that too is speculative.

57 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:04:54pm

re: #51 Simply Sarah

Well, there are plenty of Alien artifact joints, which might provide an alternative.

58 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:07:39pm

Where Matthews fails is really having someone on who knows the real history of the institution of marriage, unlike Perkins who uses only an idealized form of his modern tradition projected backwards through his religion.

Marriage emerged in many cultures. From what I can tell it usually had something to do with the exchange of property and wealth along with a body (usually the female) going to a partner in the trade.

Polygamy is too widespread to be ignored. While Frank threw that in as an aside, it really needed to be presented better.

59 AK-47%  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:07:52pm

Mostly what Rev Spong is doing is asking us to read the Bible while considering that people back then had very different views of (homo)sexuality, mental illness, (super)natural phenomena, etc, and not to take these too damn literally.

He still maintains that the Scriptures were divinely inspired, but written by people in a concrete historical, social and political setting, one that is often entirely different from our own.

But this sort of argument is wasted on fundamentalist literalist ideologues, especially repressed, self-loathing ones.

60 ArchangelMichael  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:09:00pm

re: #31 Millicent Islam

Heh. Good one. Also, good to see you!

Good to see you again too... or "read" you again I guess would be more like it.

61 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:10:58pm

Playing armchair anthropologist, I surmise that marriage as an institution didn't arise because of the need to propagate, but rather as a way for society to control the flow of wealth and power within its borders.

62 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:12:19pm

re: #59 Expand Your Ground

Mostly what Rev Spong is doing is asking us to read the Bible while considering that people back then had very different views ...

RELATIVIST!!

63 Kragar  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:18:30pm

re: #61 freetoken

Playing armchair anthropologist, I surmise that marriage as an institution didn't arise because of the need to propagate, but rather as a way for society to control the flow of wealth and power within its borders.

Pff, shows how much you know. Its all because Charlton Heston spoke to a pyrotechnic shrubbery while tending sheep.

Thats why we have marriage.

64 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:18:34pm

re: #61 freetoken

Playing armchair anthropologist, I surmise that marriage as an institution didn't arise because of the need to propagate, but rather as a way for society to control the flow of wealth and power within its borders.

Armchair it may be be, but it's a concise summary of what's seen cross-culturally. Sanctity is a distant second to practical matters of property sharing and family alliances when it comes to cross-cultural conceptions of marriage.

65 AK-47%  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:18:57pm

re: #61 freetoken

Playing armchair anthropologist, I surmise that marriage as an institution didn't arise because of the need to propagate, but rather as a way for society to control the flow of wealth and power within its borders.

And it only became important when we started to have property (livestock, land, etc) to pass on to our descendants.

Back when all that we owned was what we carried on our backs and when the entire tribe was responsible for and involved in raising the offspring, questions of paternity were a lot less significant.

66 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:20:07pm

Getting some play today in certain circles:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Mitt Romney earning 50% of the vote and President Obama attracting 43% support. Four percent (4%) would vote for a third party candidate, while another three percent (3%) are undecided.

Can you say "President Romney"?

67 wrenchwench  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:20:12pm

re: #61 freetoken

Playing armchair anthropologist, I surmise that marriage as an institution didn't arise because of the need to propagate, but rather as a way for society to control the flow of wealth and power within its borders.

I believe propagation preceded the institution of marriage by quite a long period of time. Preceded the species, in fact.

68 AK-47%  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:21:17pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

I believe propagation preceded the institution of marriage by quite a long period of time. Preceded the species, in fact.

It started with Adam and Eve, period.

/

69 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:21:36pm

Also finding a fondness amongst right-wing outlets:

BEACH BOYS SINGER
'Obama's a Socialist A-Hole'

70 wrenchwench  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:24:12pm

re: #63 Kragar

Pff, shows how much you know. Its all because Charlton Heston spoke to a pyrotechnic shrubbery while tending sheep.

Thats why we have marriage.

My sister once made a tiny magazine when we were playing "mail" called "The God Squad". One of the headlines on the cover was "Charlton Heston Tells: How to Part Your Swimming Pool".

71 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:24:56pm

re: #69 freetoken

Also finding a fondness amongst right-wing outlets:

BEACH BOYS SINGER
'Obama's a Socialist A-Hole'

Sigh another moron who doesn't know what a socialist is. You'd think one of the Beach Boys would be sympathetic to stupid red baiting after what Reagan's moron of an Interior Secretary did.

72 AK-47%  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:24:59pm

re: #69 freetoken

Also finding a fondness amongst right-wing outlets:

BEACH BOYS SINGER
'Obama's a Socialist A-Hole'

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran...

73 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:28:37pm

re: #66 freetoken

Getting some play today in certain circles:

Can you say "President Romney"?

Interesting- most of the other polls show them more closer or Obama leading. I think each will get at least 45% honestly. It's the remaining 10% that will decide the winner IMO.

74 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:32:27pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

I'm not convince Obama will be re-elected.

75 freetoken  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:33:11pm

The LA Times runs a story on .... loquats!!

Market Watch: Above the ocean in Malibu, a rare orchard of loquats

76 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:33:44pm

re: #74 freetoken

I'm not convince Obama will be re-elected.

Neither am I but we'll see what happens. I think alot will determine on turnout.

77 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:35:42pm

re: #66 freetoken

Getting some play today in certain circles:

Can you say "President Romney"?

Rassmuessen polls are pretty much bullshit. According to Nate Silver they keep they're reputation as a "reliable" pollster by correcting their bullshit projections shortly before elections. They're routinely skewed in favor of Republicans by about 5-10%

78 zora  Fri, May 11, 2012 2:37:28pm

re: #49 sagehen

that's priceless.

"UPDATE: Internet behemoth Matt Drudge, who has just directed his readers to this post, is also commonly understood to be gay.

UPDATE #2: Internet behemoth Matt Drudge, who is commonly understood to be gay, is no longer directing his readers to this post."

Drudge Drops Link After Gawker Questions His Sexuality

[Link: www.observer.com...]

Mr. Daulerio also said he’s not worried about potentially being sued by Mr. Drudge.

“He’s going to sue us because he’s gay?” Mr. Daulerio asked. “Not our fault. Blame God.”

As of this writing, Mr. Drudge has not responded to a request for comment on this story.

79 alexknyc  Fri, May 11, 2012 3:25:16pm

re: #18 Batman

I love the comments at the Gawker article. Conservatives are discriminated against when they try to get jobs in Hollywood or the government or education. Lulz.

I've been in both journalism and education. Conservatives in those fields use the same vocabulary as the gay community does-- coming out as conservative, closeted conservative. I'm actually surprised those conservatives don't have more empathy.

It's not that they're discriminated against per se, but it's well known that people prefer the company of others like them. I'm relatively moderate and people are still shocked that there are other ways to think about an issue besides the way they do.

80 alexknyc  Fri, May 11, 2012 3:26:57pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Why does Tony Perkins get treated with any medium of respect by the media? As Gus has already alluded to, this guy uses the KKK's mailing list to get support. Tells you all you need to know about him and his supporters.

Maybe because showing a frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic is a subconscious way of marginalizing the conservative position?

And, yes, that actually is a non-rhetorical question.

81 alexknyc  Fri, May 11, 2012 3:27:29pm

re: #24 Kragar

Religion asides, is there any actual real reason to object to gay marriage?.

No.

82 alexknyc  Fri, May 11, 2012 3:29:50pm

re: #43 ProGunLiberal

Considering how political the Supreme Court has become, I don't see a big deal here.

Why is it that a court is only "political" when someone disagrees with their decision? Are they then "non-political" when they rule the "right" way?

83 alexknyc  Fri, May 11, 2012 3:32:06pm

re: #66 freetoken

Getting some play today in certain circles:

Can you say "President Romney"?

It's Rassmussen... take it with an entire shaker of salt.

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 11, 2012 6:27:09pm

Tony Perkins has dead rapist shark eyes


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