Charles JohnsonFollow @Green_FootballsThere’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby
It’s a deal, it’s a deal
— Tom Waits, “God’s Away On Business”
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, May 11, 2012 10:28:45pm |
Cheddar's cheap.
How about some of the expensive stuff in the expensive section.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, May 11, 2012 11:15:38pm |
Just now reading the page on Mittens etch-a-sketching away his comments on adoption. As someone who has, literally, gone bankrupt twice from the costs of one single adoption (first time directly, second time medically and other indirect costs) well, it makes me hurt for my son.
Then there is fucking Mittens. Epic cowardice. I think that if I were to ever meet him in person, all I would like to do is hand him a white feather. That meme would suffice, I think, for saying all I would like to say to him.
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, May 11, 2012 11:27:46pm |
Just a note before i go to bed (after a long, hard day):
USA Today: Auto legend Carroll Shelby, father of Cobra, dies
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freetoken Fri, May 11, 2012 11:51:35pm |
Saint-Preux's "Prelude pour piano" :
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 1:26:19am |
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AK-47% Sat, May 12, 2012 1:29:10am |
From the mouths of babes.
Feel free to make up a page on this, anyone.
I am off for the weekend and will have no time:
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EdDantes Sat, May 12, 2012 1:35:21am |
I will not link to the "cheese shop" sketch because of the python haters and everyone has seen it.
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EdDantes Sat, May 12, 2012 1:36:45am |
re: #6 ArthurSlugworth
The auto legends are dying and there is no one to replace them.
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 1:48:03am |
re: #12 Expand Your Ground
The good news is because of sane spending policies, Canada now has a budget surplus.
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 1:49:51am |
re: #14 EdDantes
I hear Pee Wee Herman is upgrading.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 2:10:22am |
re: #18 researchok
Mostly because of reduction in spending
Really? Why are you discounting the extreme differences in bank regulation between our two countries?
And the Canadian government themselves credits their stimulus spending-- running short-term deficits-- as the reason they came out of the recession so well.
[Link: www.budget.gc.ca...]
Canada's Economic Action Plan is working. In the first year of implementation alone, almost $32 billion in stimulus spending and tax relief was delivered, and the Government remains on track to deliver a further $28 billion in support for the recovery.
These investments have been effective in shielding Canadians from the worst of the global recession. Over 28,500 projects have been completed or are underway, generating significant employment in local communities and contributing to the creation of about 540,000 jobs across Canada since July 2009.
I can't find any support for your position; can you provide any?
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Kragar Sat, May 12, 2012 2:12:12am |
With all those movie remakes and franchises being restarted, know which series deserves a reboot?
Darkman.
There, I said it. Motherfucking Darkman.
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:13:19am |
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 2:19:11am |
re: #21 researchok
Seriously, a WSJ opinion piece?
If you're talking about long-term trends, then obviously, obviously controlling a deficit requires having sane spending as well as sane revenue streams. It's never either/or-- it's never just spending, or just taxes, and anyone selling either as the sole solution is being an obvious idjit.
But, in the context of the recession, you'll agree that Canada purposefully increased spending, running deficits, in order to promote a climb out of the recession?
Also, since Canadian government spending is much higher than here in the US, is the author's conclusions in that piece that we should raise government spending here in the US?
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:20:33am |
Obdi, I'm not an expert like yourself.
Unfortunately, I have to rely on what others say.
How to Cut Government Spending: Lessons from Canada
The Federal Government plans to balance its budget by 2014/2015.
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:21:19am |
re: #22 Obdicut
And what exactly was erroneous about the WSJ piece?
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 2:24:43am |
re: #23 researchok
Why do you keep doing the passive-aggressive "I am not an expert like you" thing every time we have a conversation? It's really annoying. Neither of us are experts. I'm asking you to support your position.
I'm fine with the idea that our government spending should be at Canadian levels. Canadian government levels of spending are much higher than our own. Therefore, from your statements, I conclude you're saying we should raise taxes and spending. Yes?
And what exactly was erroneous about the WSJ piece?
I have no idea; it's subscription only, and since the Wall Street Journal has flushed all its credibility away after being bought by Murdoch, especially in the opinion pages, I wouldn't waste money on it.
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:32:29am |
Obdi, you are misusing the passive/aggressive thing. That may or may not be displacement or projection you are displaying.
In point of fact, whether by design or on purpose, you do present yourself as an expert on many things.
I have no idea if you are or are not but inasmuch as I am not an expert on many things I will acquiesce to your assertions.
That Murdoch owns the WSJ is not a cogent or rational argument as to the validity of the piece in question.
I will say I am happy to note you know concur that spending cuts in some form are necessary for national fiscal health.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 2:36:30am |
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:37:42am |
re: #27 Unlike Some People
I should have said by accident or design.
Thank you for pointing out my error.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 2:38:45am |
re: #26 researchok
Obdi, you are misusing the passive/aggressive thing. That may or may not be displacement or projection you are displaying.
Since it may or may not be, it's rather useless to say that, isn't it?
I'm not misusing it. You're attempting to say that I'm acting like an expert-- even though I'm not-- while yourself are being humble. It's annoying-- I've never claimed to be an expert-- and you should cut it out.
I have no idea if you are or are not but inasmuch as I am not an expert on many things I will acquiesce to your assertions.
But when you say this, you don't acquiesce. I don't want you to-- I want you to support your own argument-- but you also don't. You just keep on' truckin' with your original statements.
That Murdoch owns the WSJ is not a cogent or rational argument as to the validity of the piece in question.
That it is appearing in the opinion section of the WSJ, and pieces in the opinion section of the WSJ are very often extreme right-wing (fiscally) hack jobs, is.
I will say I am happy to note you know concur that spending cuts in some form are necessary for national fiscal health.
But I didn't. I said the conclusion to draw from what you're positing-- that Canada is an economic model to follow-- we should raise government spending, since their spending is higher than ours.
Can you point out where I said spending cuts are necessary for fiscal health? It'd be a rather stupid statement, since 'cuts' on their own are never a positive or a negative; it entirely depends on what you're cutting, and what you're going to incur by doing so.
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:44:52am |
re: #29 Obdicut
I have supported my argument.
You have chosen not reply to the arguments/articles presented in the various links I posted
As for the WSJ article, you have yet to explain why i the opinions in the article are in err.
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:46:17am |
And yes, I am for increased taxes as well as spending cuts.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 2:47:49am |
re: #30 researchok
I have supported my argument.
You haven't dealt with any of the problems in your 'argument'-- or rather, your conclusions-- I've pointed out: that Canada's government spending and taxation are higher than ours.
Why isn't the logical response to your argument that we should raise both taxes and spending to match Canada's rates? Isn't what you're saying that we should follow their lead?
As for the WSJ article, you have yet to explain why i the opinions in the article are in err.
Do you understand it's a subscription-only article and I can't read it?
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 2:49:45am |
re: #31 researchok
And yes, I am for increased taxes as well as spending cuts.
Why aren't you for increasing spending, if you want us to follow the Canadian model? Their level of government spending is higher than ours.
And, funnily enough, though I can't read the article, I can read the comments on that WSJ one. This one may help you:
Perhaps Mr. Barnes does not know enough about Canada's finances.
Yes, in the 1990s Canada cut the spending on entitlements but it also increased citzens' tax type obligations, such as social security type pension premiums and various payments towards the supposedly free medical care. In Canada these are not called taxes, but premiums, contributions and the like. Need I say that they are collected by Canada's federal and provincial governments simultaneously with income taxes?
Also during the Canadian restructuring of the 1990s and just before, social security pensions were cut via a change in the benefit formula and a federal consumption tax was introduced.
Did I say that a Canadian who pays income tax in USA may deduct it from his Canadian tax obligations but still has to fork out alot of money to Canada and his Province in respectof his USA income? Well he does, he does -- because the income tax in Canada is still much higher than in the USA.
Medical costs, however, are under much better control by the Canadian and provincial governments than in the USA. Much better, mainly via very effective rationing. In some provinces it takes 2 or 3 years to see a specialist and about the same time to be assigned a primary care physician.
If you die before, as some people do and their ill-mannered relatives complain about it, well.... I am sure the government apreciates the saving.
Yes, if , God forbid, your cancer is galloping then you get more urgent care. But do you want to reach such priviledged status?
And with all those high taxes, Canadian military is far less than 10% of the American - while Canada has about 10% of the US population.
Hmmmm. Perhaps Mr. Barnes does not know enough about Canada.
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:51:02am |
WSJ
When Jean Chretien became prime minister in 1993, Canada faced a fiscal and economic breakdown. The government's share of the economy had climbed to 53% in 1992, from 28% in 1960. Deficits had tripled as a percentage of gross domestic product over the prior two decades. Government debt was nearly 70% of GDP and growing rapidly. Interest payments on the debt took up 35 cents of every tax dollar.
Mr. Chretien and his finance minister, Paul Martin, took decisive action. "Canadians have told us that they want the deficit brought down by reducing government spending, not by raising taxes, and we agree," Mr. Martin said. The new administration slashed spending. Unemployment benefits were cut by nearly 40%. The ratio of spending cuts to tax increases was nearly 7-to-1. Federal employment was reduced by 14%. Canada's national railway and air-traffic-control system were privatized.
The economy rebounded. Between 1995 and 1998, a $36.6 billion deficit turned into a $3 billion surplus. Canada's debt-to-GDP ratio was cut in half in a decade. Canada now has faster economic growth than America (3.3% in 2010, compared to 2.9% in the U.S.), a lower jobless rate (7.2% in June, when the U.S. rate was 9.2%), a deficit-to-GDP ratio that's a quarter of ours, and a stronger dollar.
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Former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien, left, and Finance Minister Paul Martin in 1998.
What's most remarkable about the Canadian turnaround: It was led by liberals. Mr. Chretien and Mr. Martin were leaders of the Liberal Party. Yet they responded to the clear wishes of Canadians and, to the surprise of the political class, shifted to the right. Or to the center, the two leaders would say.
Today the United States is in a situation almost identical to Canada's in the 1990s. Government spending is surging, a huge deficit and national debt are setting peacetime records, interest payments are soaring, the economy is stagnant, and unemployment is stuck at around 9%. Yet one thing is missing: Liberals in America refuse to lead.
Led by President Obama, liberals have held back, leaving conservatives to lead and then stymieing conservative proposals because they rely on spending cuts. Liberals have sought to protect domestic programs, including entitlements, from even small cuts.
It's increased spending that is largely responsible for deficits exceeding $1 trillion for three consecutive years and thus for the rise in the national debt's percentage of GDP from 40% in 2008 to 62% in 2011 and toward an estimated 72% next year. The public, in the 2010 election and in poll after poll, is insisting on spending cuts.
But the president has declined to present a specific plan of his own. The 2012 budget he sent to Congress in February is inoperative. His tack now is to comment on the debt-reduction plans of others. Just this week, the White House said Mr. Obama would veto the "cut, cap and balance" proposal approved by the House and attached to the $2.4 trillion hike in the debt limit the president has asked for.
Earlier, the president attacked the Republican budget passed by the House. And in five days of negotiations with congressional leaders last week, he backed away from some of the spending reductions that had been agreed to in talks led by Vice President Biden. Mr. Obama had already taken major spending programs, like his health-care program, the $53 billion rapid rail project, and funding for "green jobs," off the table.
cont'd
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:51:58am |
cont'd
As the Aug. 2 deadline for a debt-limit increase nears, Mr. Obama has combined a very public role with an absence of upfront leadership. He's had three press conferences in the past month without offering clear guidance. But since he has no plan, he's less of a target for criticism, and he has tried to limit his accountability.
At his session with reporters last week he minimized the severity of the debt problem. "Here's the good news," he said. "It turns out we don't have to do anything radical to solve this problem. Contrary to what some folks say, we're not Greece. We're not Portugal."
The fiscal trouble was caused over the past decade, Mr. Obama explained, by the Bush tax cuts, "a prescription drug program for seniors that was not paid for," the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and "a bad recession that required a Recovery Act and stimulus spending and helping states . . . and there's interest on top of that." In other words, it wasn't Mr. Obama's fault.
What the president left out were the biggest drivers of spending and debt—entitlements. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects Medicare, Medicaid and other health-care spending to jump to 9.5% of GDP over the next two decades from 5.6% in 2011. The CBO says Medicare will run out of money in 2020.
Like Mr. Obama, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi downplays the fiscal difficulty and recommends against offering a plan. "Once you put another proposal on the table, you're conceding that there must be some big problem," she said in April.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is also a minimizer. He said this spring that changes in Social Security shouldn't be considered until the program fails. "Two decades from now, I'm willing to take a look at it," Mr. Reid said.
As America struggles over spending and debt, Canadians watch with wonderment. A new book, "The Canadian Century: Moving Out of America's Shadow," points to a role reversal—a strong Canada and a weak America.
In the foreword, former Canadian Ambassador to the U.S. Allan Gottleib writes: "If we want to see what would have become of Canada had we not lived through the difficult changes, we need look no further than Washington, D.C., where unreformed entitlements and undisciplined borrowing are hobbling America's power to be a world leader."
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:53:02am |
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 2:53:54am |
re: #36 researchok
From the comments?
Well, you are true to form!
Can you explain directly, rather than passively, what you mean by "You are true to form", please?
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 2:54:50am |
re: #34 researchok
This statement, from that article, is false in so many ways it's hard to count them:
Today the United States is in a situation almost identical to Canada's in the 1990s.
Do you agree with that statement?
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:56:42am |
You hadn't read the WSJ article- yet you assumed the commenter was correct.
Kind of like assuming the article is useless because it is in the WSJ.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 2:58:44am |
re: #39 researchok
You hadn't read the WSJ article- yet you assumed the commenter was correct.
No, I didn't. I provided it to you as a critique of the article, since you're seeking one and I was unable to provide one.
That's a rather serious accusation you're making against me-- one of basically complete partisan blindness. Do you really have that poor an opinion of me?
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 2:59:42am |
re: #38 Obdicut
If you want me to say the situation is exactly the same, I can't. No two situations are exactly the same.
In any event, the issue is how Canada has achieved budget surpluses and is on track to balance her budget within the next few years, by way of responsible spending- and responsible taxation.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 3:03:10am |
re: #41 researchok
If you want me to say the situation is exactly the same, I can't. No two situations are exactly the same.
I don't. I want you to consider the massive differences between us and Canada, such as:
1. Their much more regulated and centralized banking system.
2. Their national health insurance-- this is very important, given one of the criticisms the author makes in that article of US spending is the high level of government medical spending.
3. The extreme differences in the way mortgages are treated in Canada-- not as vehicles for equity.
4. The much, much lower levels of spending on the military.
In any event, the issue is how Canada has achieved budget surpluses and is on track to balance her budget within the next few years, by way of responsible spending- and responsible taxation.
Sure. So, again-- since Canada has higher levels of spending than the US, why isn't the conclusion we should draw from this that we should raise spending (and taxation) to match Canadian levels?
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 3:04:29am |
re: #40 Obdicut
No, I didn't. I provided it to you as a critique of the article, since you're seeking one and I was unable to provide one.
That's a rather serious accusation you're making against me-- one of basically complete partisan blindness. Do you really have that poor an opinion of me?
It is not an accusation- it is a fact.
I said
That Murdoch owns the WSJ is not a cogent or rational argument as to the validity of the piece in question.
You replied
That it is appearing in the opinion section of the WSJ, and pieces in the opinion section of the WSJ are very often extreme right-wing (fiscally) hack jobs, is.
You also noted
...the Wall Street Journal has flushed all its credibility away after being bought by Murdoch, especially in the opinion pages,
Is that a fact or just your opinion? Does that refer to everything the WSJ publishes or just some of what the WSJ publishes?
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 3:07:05am |
re: #42 Obdicut
Sure. So, again-- since Canada has higher levels of spending than the US, why isn't the conclusion we should draw from this that we should raise spending (and taxation) to match Canadian levels?
Because by every measure, notwithstanding higher spending, it is the spending cuts that are driving Canada's budget surpluses and eventual return to a balanced budget- something not seen here in a while.
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 3:08:32am |
As usual obdi, the is has been a most enlightening conversation .
However, I'm running behind so I've got to bail now.
We can pick this up later if you like.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 3:08:48am |
re: #43 researchok
It is not an accusation- it is a fact.
So not, like, your opinion, then?
Is that a fact or just your opinion? Does that refer to everything the WSJ publishes or just some of what the WSJ publishes?
Dude, what are you talking about? Of course it's my opinion. So what?
How does me thinking that the large number of crappy right-wing pieces that have appeared in the opinion pages of the WSJ makes it unreliable as a source for good macroeconomic commentary make it a 'fact' that I'm a blind partisan?
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 3:10:43am |
re: #44 researchok
Because by every measure, notwithstanding higher spending, it is the spending cuts that are driving Canada's budget surpluses and eventual return to a balanced budget- something not seen here in a while.
By every measure? What about the issues that I raised? Just dismissed with no thought put to them?
Argument through assertion isn't much of an argument.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 3:12:23am |
We should cut spending because Canada did that but we shouldn't do anything else Canada does that obviously have massive effects on their economy and government because oh wait a squirrel.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, May 12, 2012 3:12:53am |
re: #46 Obdicut
the wall street journal's op-eds are like fox news at a 7th grade reading level as opposed to a 4th grade viewing level
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, May 12, 2012 3:15:29am |
2. Their national health insurance-- this is very important, given one of the criticisms the author makes in that article of US spending is the high level of government medical spending.
2. Their national health insurance-- this is very important, given one of the criticisms the author makes in that article of US spending is the high level of government medical spending.
2. Their national health insurance-- this is very important, given one of the criticisms the author makes in that article of US spending is the high level of government medical spending.
2. Their national health insurance-- this is very important, given one of the criticisms the author makes in that article of US spending is the high level of government medical spending.
IN CASE IT WASN'T CLEAR, I AGREE
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 3:24:24am |
Facebook Co-Founder Saverin Gives Up U.S. Citizenship Before IPO
France Entrepreneurs Flee From Hollande Wealth Rejection
Oh noes, all of our 1%ers are fleeing the First World nations as they are turning into socialist hellholes!
See also
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 3:44:45am |
re: #51 Unlike Some People
Facebook Co-Founder Saverin Gives Up U.S. Citizenship Before IPO
France Entrepreneurs Flee From Hollande Wealth Rejection
Oh noes, all of our 1%ers are fleeing the First World nations as they are turning into socialist hellholes!
See also
Rich people moving away to avoid taxes? Singapore seems to be a destination of preference?
They can run, but they can't hide. Open Society seems like a better and better idea to me the more global we become. I think I'm too old to be really enthusiastic about it, yet it seems inevitable.
So much of today reminds me of stories of the Wild West --those who can seeking their version of freedom in 3rd world countries or in places they can be top dog without competition.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 3:58:58am |
belated.
I went to bed at 7 last night and just woke-up.
am a little behind.
Thanks for your patience --share if you like.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 4:13:00am |
Why won't we teach our young people about basic biology?
"That’s how you get terrifying statistics like this one from the Guttmacher report: In the survey, “60 percent underestimated the effectiveness of oral contraceptives and 40 percent held the fatalistic view that using birth control does not matter.” Overall, “more than half of young men and a quarter of young women received low scores on contraceptive knowledge.” It’s also how you get figures like the one from the CDC that found that 31.4 percent of pregnant teens didn’t use contraception because they “thought they could not get pregnant at the time.”
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Amory Blaine Sat, May 12, 2012 4:17:34am |
My dad showed me some dirty magazine when I was like 12 with a whole compliment of photos depicting various advanced stages of genital diseases. Elephantitus of the testicles, syphilis etc. A very effective biology class indeed.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 4:20:27am |
No embed code, so cannot page efficiently…
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 4:21:17am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 4:40:26am |
abstinence doesn't happen --duh
In L.A. Pregnancy 'Hot Spot,' An On-Campus Clinic
Medrano says they do talk about abstinence with the teens.
"But I would say that 90 percent of the time, abstinence just isn't working for them," she says. "Abstinence doesn't happen, especially when they're in a relationship."
Medrano says the year before the partnership with Planned Parenthood started in 2008, there were 32 pregnancies on campus. There were only three the following year.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, May 12, 2012 4:46:05am |
re: #15 researchok
The good news is because of sane spending policies, Canada now has a budget surplus.
Yeah, building more jails and filling them with new inmates and buying multirole fighters for too high a price did wonders for the budget.
I'll be honest. I think the people currently forming the ruling party in Parliament are lying through their fucking teeth when they release stuff like this. Their record since the first time shows that their only interest is getting and keeping power. There is nothing, and I do mean nothing, they will not do in pursuit of that goal.
Their policy has been exactly the sort of thing that the GOP wants to do. Tax cuts for the wealthy, cuts to the social safety net and as I noted above, increased spending on defence and prisons.
I don't believe this report for a second.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 4:48:01am |
This would be so enlightening --doncha' think?
The Case For A Presidential Science Debate
This is SCIENCE FRIDAY. I'm Ira Flatow. Every member of the House of Representatives and a few from the Senate, about a third of the Senate, I believe, is up for re-election this year. There will be hundreds of debates, local and national. Candidates will be asked questions about unemployment, the deficit, gay marriage, budget cutting. But will any of them be asked about their opinions or their knowledge of science and technology?
We have politicians who claim global warming is a hoax, others who don't believe in evolution. Shouldn't we want to know what the candidates know about the basic things in science? Will any moderators of the inevitable presidential debates even ask one question about science?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 5:06:21am |
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Varek Raith Sat, May 12, 2012 5:07:16am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 5:25:12am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 5:27:22am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 5:33:17am |
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 5:34:16am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 5:34:39am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 5:36:19am |
fin
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researchok Sat, May 12, 2012 5:37:47am |
re: #48 Obdicut
What I did say:
re: #38 Obdicut
If you want me to say the situation is exactly the same, I can't. No two situations are exactly the same.
In any event, the issue is how Canada has achieved budget surpluses and is on track to balance her budget within the next few years, by way of responsible spending- and responsible taxation.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 5:52:24am |
re: #51 Unlike Some People
Facebook Co-Founder Saverin Gives Up U.S. Citizenship Before IPO
France Entrepreneurs Flee From Hollande Wealth Rejection
Oh noes, all of our 1%ers are fleeing the First World nations as they are turning into socialist hellholes!
I also love the tacit assumption here that for some reason, the nations these rich folks are migrating from are now worse off – because now they cannot tax those people whom they hadn't taxed before, either?
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 5:52:34am |
re: #74 researchok
If you want me to say the situation is exactly the same, I can't. No two situations are exactly the same.
But I responded to that. The situations aren't exactly the same, they aren't even generally the same. One of the ways they're very different is that Canada had a much, much higher level of spending, and cut it down to just a much higher level of spending.
Taking about 'cuts' without regard to the level from which they're being made is just pointless, except for the total truism that if you currently have a deficit, cutting spending would (simplistically) reduce that deficit.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 6:03:43am |
The fallout from the JPMorgan fiasco promises to be interesting…
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:05:28am |
re: #78 Unlike Some People
The fallout from the JPMorgan fiasco promises to be interesting…
Yeah, with all the complaining about Dodd-Frank and "regulations", they continue to prove they aren't trustworthy and NEED to be regulated.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 6:06:06am |
re: #79 ggt
And it shows they're still relying on questionable math to give them the answers they want, rather than the reality of risk.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:07:24am |
re: #80 Obdicut
And it shows they're still relying on questionable math to give them the answers they want, rather than the reality of risk.
They don't seem to understand that you can't play with and lose other people's money and not be blamed for it.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 6:10:33am |
re: #79 ggt
NEED to be regulated.
Regulation destroys economic sectors!
Your wild-west comment further up was on to something. IMHO they should all migrate to Somalia.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:12:07am |
re: #82 Unlike Some People
Your wild-west comment further up was on to something. IMHO they should all migrate to Somalia.
So much of what I hear from the GOP sounds like the scene from The GodFather??
In which a group was talking in Cuba about how hard it is to find a government that will allow them to do business they way they want to . . . .
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 6:14:02am |
re: #83 ggt
If "the government" does your bidding… is it not you, then, who is the actual government?
Seems like corporatism is just fascism with roles of private & public sectors reversed.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:15:25am |
re: #84 Unlike Some People
If "the government" does your bidding… is it not you, then, who is the actual government?
Seems like corporatism is just fascism with roles of private & public sectors reversed.
Well, first, we have to decide on a definition of fascism . . .
:0
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:16:34am |
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:19:08am |
re: #87 ggt
James Brown will never be free -- royalties must be paid!
How dare they! These must be distributed for free to the people! Profits must not be made!
//
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:20:00am |
Derp.
Obama goes full Etch-A-Sketch on aberrant sexual behavior. Now selling pro-transvestite gear on website. ow.ly/aRMv4— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) May 12, 2012
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 6:20:53am |
re: #89 Gus
My wife is wearing boy's jeans and one of my dress shirts. Is she a transvestite?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:21:31am |
re: #90 Obdicut
My wife is wearing boy's jeans and one of my dress shirts. Is she a transvestite?
And does she look good?
Or I should say, it probably depends on if Bryan thinks she looks good . . . .
/gah
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:24:14am |
Also. What happened with JP Morgan is "post regulation" or new regulations. Apparently they left "a big enough loophole that a Mack truck could drive right through it." This means back to the drawing board with congress in both the House and the Senate.
Remember this while you're at it. All regulations will be subject to the current political wind with either Republicans or Democrats holding the reins. Regulation is subject to political influence. Also, much like this "Mack truck" all new regulation are interpreted so as to find a new loop hole. Create a new regulation and they'll find another loophole of financial product gimmick.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:25:22am |
re: #92 Gus
Also. What happened with JP Morgan is "post regulation" or new regulations. Apparently they left "a big enough loophole that a Mack truck could drive right through it." This means back to the drawing board with congress in both the House and the Senate.
Remember this while you're at it. All regulations will be subject to the current political wind with either Republicans or Democrats holding the reins. Regulation is subject to political influence. Also, much like this "Mack truck" all new regulation are interpreted so as to find a new loop hole. Create a new regulation and they'll find another loophole of financial
productgimmick.
The article posted yesterday said that the financial transactions would not be allowed under the Volker Rule (sp?) --so this was old stuff--no?
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:26:36am |
re: #90 Obdicut
My wife is wearing boy's jeans and one of my dress shirts. Is she a transvestite?
Nope. Transvestite is a spectrum. As well as LGBT, and using the identifier "transgender" lumps in a wide group of people in itself.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:27:05am |
re: #93 ggt
The article posted yesterday said that the financial transactions would not be allowed under the Volker Rule (sp?) --so this was old stuff--no?
They describe the loophole:
The loophole is known as portfolio hedging, a strategy that essentially allows banks to view an investment portfolio as a whole and take actions to offset the risks of the entire portfolio. That contrasts with the traditional definition of hedging, which matches an individual security or trading position with an inversely related investment — so when one goes up, the other goes down.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:28:09am |
re: #95 Gus
They describe the loophole:
Gus, I have to apologize. It is WAY TOO EARLY in the am for me to wrap my head around creative accounting.
I'll have to discuss it later with you.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:28:52am |
re: #96 ggt
Gus, I have to apologize. It is WAY TOO EARLY in the am for me to wrap my head around creative accounting.
I'll have to discuss it later with you.
I'm barely keeping up. Did a quick search and found this already which seems to work. Another stinking loophole.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:30:06am |
Invest in transvestite gear! lol Right. A t-shirt that says "LGBT". Fischer talks as though being a TV is illegal or something. Like he wants to arrest all LGBT people. Of course he does.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:30:34am |
re: #97 Gus
I'm barely keeping up. Did a quick search and found this already which seems to work. Another stinking loophole.
Well, toddlers, adults will find all the places you forgot to put safety locks.
The best way to child-proof your home is to let the kids in first and the'll show you where to put them!
Unfortunately, it doesn't work so well after they have electrocuted themselves.
:0
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 6:31:03am |
re: #85 ggt
Well, first, we have to decide on a definition of fascism . . .
:0
It's what liberals do at summer camp. I read it on the innertubes.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 6:31:59am |
re: #98 Gus
Well, yeah. The alternative to pro-transvestite is anti-transvestite.
I'll give him credit for this: He's more honest than a guy like Romney, who tries to pass himself off as moderate, but, in the end, is another guy who wants to take civil rights away from gay people.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 6:32:57am |
re: #94 Gus
Nope. Transvestite is a spectrum....snip
It starts at pale-blue dress shirts and chinos.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:33:30am |
Heard the NPR interview with this author about her new book.
Demographics are changing and the GOP will have to cope, one way or another.
Interesting stuff.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, May 12, 2012 6:33:56am |
re: #99 ggt
That is true. My nephews when they were much younger got into a lot of things my kid sister thought they would never go.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:35:25am |
re: #102 Decatur Deb
It starts at pale-blue dress shirts and chinos.
It starts with floods masking as chino pants.
//
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 6:36:15am |
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:36:46am |
re: #106 Decatur Deb
Seriously, what are 'floods'?
When your pant inseams are way to short. Due to washing machine shrinkage.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:37:18am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:37:49am |
re: #108 Gus
When your pant inseams are way to short. Due to washing machine shrinkage.
and the fact that kids grow fast and don't get new clothes --usually because they are too nerdy to realize they look stupid.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 6:40:12am |
re: #108 Gus
When your pant inseams are way to short. Due to washing machine shrinkage.
Not a fashion plate. After ten years in military school--seminary my wardrobe looked like a 1940s movie. Ironically(?) my second teenaged job was in a garment district photography house.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 6:42:41am |
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:42:48am |
re: #115 Decatur Deb
Not a fashion plate. After ten years in military school--seminary my wardrobe looked like a 1940s movie. Ironically(?) my second teenaged job was in a garment district photography house.
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition! ;) I'm not familiar with all of it. I went through my "Miami Vice" phase and for a time was thinking about fashion design at Academy of Art in San Francisco. That just lasted a couple of years.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 6:45:31am |
re: #117 Gus
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition! ;) I'm not familiar with all of it. I went through my "Miami Vice" phase and for a time was thinking about fashion design at Academy of Art in San Francisco. That just lasted a couple of years.
They kept me in the darkroom the first year or so. There are very strange people in fashion studio darkrooms.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 6:45:51am |
re: #92 Gus
"[JPMorgan Chase] Fought Rule to Bar Types of Deals That Cost It $2 Billion"
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PhillyPretzel Sat, May 12, 2012 6:46:25am |
re: #118 Decatur Deb
And the folks are stranger in front of the camera. /
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 6:47:00am |
re: #119 Unlike Some People
The myth of rational self-interest.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:47:13am |
re: #119 Unlike Some People
"[JPMorgan Chase] Fought Rule to Bar Types of Deals That Cost It $2 Billion"
Yep. And they'll likely go begging to the Fed for a loan. If they can't cover their loses. They lost 2 billion with these investment and yesterday their stock lost 13 billion in value. Total loss is about 15 billion.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 6:47:55am |
re: #92 Gus
Also, much like this "Mack truck" all new regulation are interpreted so as to find a new loop hole. Create a new regulation and they'll find another loophole of financial
productgimmick.
Whether there is any regulation, how it's exactly formulated and how it's actually enforced, still matters, though.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:48:06am |
re: #118 Decatur Deb
They kept me in the darkroom the first year or so. There are very strange people in fashion studio darkrooms.
I dabbled in darkroom stuff when I was younger. Nothing major. Some darkroom my sister had set-up that was handed down to my brother.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 6:48:24am |
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:48:50am |
re: #123 Unlike Some People
Whether there is any regulation, how it's exactly formulated and how it's actually enforced, still matters, though.
That's part of the problem. Not enough people to enforce since the SEC is poorly maintained. Most of it is run by insiders. That's just the SEC.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 6:48:58am |
re: #120 PhillyPretzel
And the folks are stranger in front of the camera. /
We shot Sears and other catalogs, so our models ran to the quasi-normal midwesterners. Girls were frighteningly thin.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 6:49:58am |
re: #101 Obdicut
Well, yeah. The alternative to pro-transvestite is anti-transvestite.
I am neutral-transvestite.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 6:50:24am |
re: #124 Gus
I dabbled in darkroom stuff when I was younger. Nothing major. Some darkroom my sister had set-up that was handed down to my brother.
We did B&W and E2-E4 Ektachrome, 4x5 was small for us.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, May 12, 2012 6:51:21am |
re: #127 Decatur Deb
King of Prussia Mall has a model talent office and some of the girls who go in there look like they just came out of a WWII concentration camp. That is scary.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:52:07am |
re: #129 Decatur Deb
We did B&W and E2-E4 Ektachrome, 4x5 was small for us.
Was that for Sears AND Roebuck?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 6:52:45am |
re: #126 Gus
That's part of the problem. Not enough people to enforce since the SEC is poorly maintained. Most of it is run by insiders. That's just the SEC.
Is it, though? Elsewhere I read/heard that it's not enough insiders, that it's too many lawyers and not enough traders/bankers/analysts.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:54:07am |
re: #132 Unlike Some People
Is it, though? Elsewhere I read/heard that it's not enough insiders, that it's too many lawyers and not enough traders/bankers/analysts.
I don't know. They all have dinner at the same places for the most part. But it's like USDA inspectors. Not enough people on the ground.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 6:54:42am |
re: #131 Gus
Was that for Sears AND Roebuck?
Think they were still called that. Also JCP, Mont. Ward and Eaton from Canada. Big house, about 120 people. We shot one world-class set a year for the cover, the rest was meat and potatoes.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:54:53am |
re: #132 Unlike Some People
Is it, though? Elsewhere I read/heard that it's not enough insiders, that it's too many lawyers and not enough traders/bankers/analysts.
There are not enough of any of them with the education and experience to truly understand what they are playing with.
Lots of chiefs and not enough indians, IMHO.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 6:55:09am |
re: #103 ggt
Heard the NPR interview with this author about her new book.
Demographics are changing and the GOP will have to cope, one way or another.
My guess is they won't. How could they? They would have to reverse course in order for that to happen, and reversing course becomes increasingly impossible in the current GOP climate.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:55:23am |
Another one hot off the press...
When Will They Learn?
By JOE NOCERA
Published: May 11, 2012
“It plays right into the hands of a bunch of pundits out there,” sighed Jamie Dimon, the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase, on Thursday...
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 12, 2012 6:55:57am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 12, 2012 6:57:20am |
I'm off for a while.
Have a great morning all!
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:57:27am |
re: #137 Gus
Another one hot off the press...
When Will They Learn?
By JOE NOCERA
Published: May 11, 2012
...
For much of the last three years, as the Obama administration and Congress have grappled with how to rein in a financial system that had lost both its moorings and its ethical compass, no one has been more vocal in his opposition to a more regulated banking system than Dimon. He has complained repeatedly about higher capital requirements. He has said that some proposed regulations were “anti-American.” He has consistently flayed the Dodd-Frank financial reform legislation, which was ultimately Congress’s attempt to prevent another Lehman Brothers-style meltdown.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 12, 2012 6:57:52am |
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:58:30am |
“I’m very close to thinking the United States shouldn’t be in Basel any more. I would not have agreed to rules that are blatantly anti-American,” he said. “Our regulators should go there and say: ‘If it’s not in the interests of the United States, we’re not doing it’.” -- Jamie Dimon
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 12, 2012 6:59:38am |
re: #139 PhillyPretzel
L L Bean does that too.
When I lived in Boston I used to love going to their outlet store in Freeport Maine
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, May 12, 2012 6:59:49am |
"Garlic is to salad as insanity is to art."
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 6:59:57am |
Also see...
The Biggest Borrowers From Uncle Ben Bernanke
It comes as little surprise that America’s biggest banks are among the heaviest borrowers from the Federal Reserve’s unprecedented liquidity facilities during the financial crisis that doled out more than $1.2 trillion. An analysis of thousands of documents by Bloomberg News shows just how big the outlays to some of the world’s largest financial firms really were, including the 20 that follow and saw their outstanding loans peak at more than $25 billion. Read Full Story
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 7:00:02am |
re: #138 sattv4u2
re: #130 PhillyPretzel
Don't know if they still do it, but Wal Mart used employees (or their kids) as "models' in their ads. They'd even include the kids (employees) names
"This is little Suzy ,,, daughter of sales associate William"
That's a whole different kind of shooting. We were high production, and it was easier for the stylists to pack a skinny kid into the clothing that had been sent from out-of-state. The clothing was literally torn apart and rebuilt around the wearer.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:01:42am |
re: #149 jaunte
Gambling addict says what?
Un-American ooga booga!!!
Jim: Hello Ben. Yeah. It's me, Jim Dimon. Can I borrow 2 billion dollars?
Ben: Sure thing Jim. When do you need it? 24 hours work?
//
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 7:03:26am |
It's not really gambling when you are cheating your losses are always covered.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:03:57am |
re: #151 Unlike Some People
It's not really gambling when
you are cheatingyour losses are always covered.
Exactly. Therein lies part (a major part) of the problem.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 7:04:45am |
re: #152 Gus
God does not approve of gambling. Hence, we must rig the game!
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 7:05:40am |
re: #152 Gus
Exactly. Therein lies part (a major part) of the problem.
I'm sure the people responsible will be sacked.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:09:11am |
re: #154 Decatur Deb
I'm sure the people responsible will be sacked.
Anyone but the guys on top. It'll be some low rung analyst. "See! It was this guys fault in the end!" Dimon is obviously being defensive. According to his previous rhetoric he wanted to have the ability to make these flaky investments and will continue to do as such until prevented by law -- which of course he deems as being "un-American!!!!"
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 12, 2012 7:10:50am |
re: #3 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Cheddar's cheap.
How about some of the expensive stuff in the expensive section.
But that would be going after the 1%-er mice!
;)
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 7:11:32am |
re: #156 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
But that would be going after the 1%-er mice!
;)
1% mice send other mice to get their cheese. It usually takes two.
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 7:13:55am |
Karl Rove is upset about 'media bias' against Romney.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:14:20am |
re: #158 jaunte
Karl Rove is upset about 'media bias' against Romney.
Noooooo! You're following me again. ;)
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:14:39am |
Derp.
Starting the weekend w/ @foxandfriends - tune in 9AM for my take on Obama & #SSM, his celebrity fundraising, & media bias against Romney.— Karl Rove (@KarlRove) May 12, 2012
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 7:16:05am |
re: #154 Decatur Deb
I'm sure the people responsible will be sacked.
I've said this before: I think the problem is not so much to save bigwhigs (see, for instance, handling of the Savings and loan crisis), but that the problem is really so big that the Feds fear crashing the economy for good if they deal with the rot.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 7:18:34am |
re: #161 Unlike Some People
I've said this before: I think the problem is not so much to save bigwhigs (see, for instance, handling of the Savings and loan crisis), but that the problem is really so big that the Feds fear crashing the economy for good if they deal with the rot.
We need to preserve the Best and Brightest. Without them their companies could crash.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 7:19:39am |
re: #163 Decatur Deb
We need to preserve the Best and Brightest. Without them their companies could crash.
Ship them all off to Somalia, Singapore, Belize, Antarctica, or Staten Island, IMHO.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 7:20:52am |
re: #164 Unlike Some People
Ship them all off to Somalia, Singapore, Belize, Antarctica, or Staten Island, IMHO.
Not Staten Island--that nest of secessionists!!
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:21:29am |
Romney’s Liberty University Speech Protested From The Air
LYNCHBURG, VA – The student loan debate was (literally) in the air as Mitt Romney prepared to make his commencement address at Liberty University here. As the graduation ceremony at this evangelical Christian university began, a single-engined plane flew circles around the commencement towing a banner reading “GOP = HIGHER SCHOOL DEBT.”...
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 7:22:00am |
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:23:45am |
Jerry Falwell influencing American politics from the grave.
Damn.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 7:23:50am |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:24:02am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 12, 2012 7:25:52am |
re: #166 Gus
a single-engined plane flew circles around the commencement towing a banner reading “GOP = HIGHER SCHOOL DEBT.”...
Cost them more to rent the plane/ make the banner than what an increase on a loan payment would be!!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:26:04am |
re: #160 Gus
Derp.
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Don't sell Rove short. He's smart and effective, and he'll land some hard blows on Obama before election day.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:27:16am |
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 12, 2012 7:28:06am |
re: #174 sattv4u2
a single-engined plane flew circles around the commencement towing a banner reading “GOP = HIGHER SCHOOL DEBT.”...
Cost them more to rent the plane/ make the banner than what an increase on a loan payment would be!!
Think they're referring to a class of student loan whose interest is designed to double without quick congressional action.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 7:29:16am |
re: #174 sattv4u2
Tell us about your recent trip to the forest, and how it kind of sucked because you couldn't see it through all those trees there.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:29:17am |
re: #175 Dark_Falcon
Don't sell Rove short. He's smart and effective, and he'll land some hard blows on Obama before election day.
Rove is preaching to the choir.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:30:15am |
re: #166 Gus
The fact that the GOP had put forth a bill to prevent the rate increase didn't register, apparently. Both sides put forth ideas, now Congress will negotiate a compromise. But first, it seems that both sides need to posture and call the others names. I'd play the vid of Bowling for Soup's High School Never Ends, but this is more grade school type stuff to my thinking.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:31:49am |
re: #178 Obdicut
Tell us about your recent trip to the forest, and how it kind of sucked because you couldn't see it through all those trees there.
Well, I went to the Morton Arboretum recently. Does that count? :D
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 12, 2012 7:32:13am |
re: #178 Obdicut
Tell us about your recent trip to the forest, and how it kind of sucked because you couldn't see it through all those trees there.
Look ,,, shiny things!!!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:34:13am |
re: #179 Gus
Rove is preaching to the choir.
Of course he is. But presidential campaigns always feature a good deal of that, because its the choir (base) you're depending on to knock on doors and man phone banks.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 7:36:00am |
Romney really, really does not want to talk about those pesky social issues. Might it have to do with the fact that his only potentials allies on that are Evangelicals?
Romney was expected to reach out to evangelicals by speaking generally of Judeo-Christian values, but advisers say the address will not in any way be a speech about Mormonism.
According to excerpts released by the campaign, it will be highly personal, with stories about his 18 grandchildren and how he "never once regretted missing any experience or opportunity in business" to be with his wife and five sons.
Romney advisers say he also will avoid explicit mention of same-sex marriage.
In an interview Friday with WBTV, the CBS affiliate in Charlotte, N.C., he repeated his belief that marriage is between a man and a woman, but then added, "I just don't think that this becomes a hot political issue dividing our nation. Instead, I believe we should respect the viewpoints of various people and move on."
Romney says the campaign's focus should be on the economy.
But many conservative Christians are far from being ready to move on. In fact, on Sunday, evangelical pastors across the nation are expected to make their feelings about gay marriage very clear from the pulpit.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 7:37:46am |
re: #180 Dark_Falcon
And how was the GOP proposing to pay for the freeze?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 7:37:55am |
(CNN) – Although Mitt Romney’s commencement address Saturday at Liberty University is expected to focus mainly on non-policy related topics, he is expected to discuss his position on same-sex marriage in his speech to the evangelical Christian college.A Romney campaign official, speaking on background in a conference call with reporters, said the presumptive Republican presidential nominee will share some of his life experiences and lessons.
“He will talk about personal responsibility, the dignity of hard work, and the commitments of family,” the official said. “Marriage isn’t the focus of the speech but he will mention the fact that marriage is an enduring institution which deserves to be defended.”
[…]
The businessman and former Massachusetts governor criticized the president this week for fundraising off the issue of same-sex marriage, saying it wasn’t an issue that should be made into a pitch for donations.
“I don’t think the matter of marriage is really a fundraising matter, either for the president, and it is certainly not for me,” Romney said Thursday on Fox News.
He added, “I hope the issue as tender and sensitive as the marriage issue is not a source of fundraising for either of us.”
On Friday, Romney campaigned in North Carolina, which recently passed a referendum that constitutionally bans same-sex marriage. In his speech, Romney focused on the economy in his remarks at the Charlotte Pipe and Foundry Company.
[Link: wtvr.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:38:24am |
re: #186 Obdicut
And how was the GOP proposing to pay for the freeze?
They proposed cutting money from a health fund that is part of Obamacare.
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 7:39:11am |
GOP Blocks Senate Debate on Student Loan Bill
...Democrats would finance the $6 billion bill: by raising Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes on high-earning stock holders of some privately owned corporations.
...
Republicans demanded a vote on their own alternative. It would block the rate increase but pay for it by killing a preventive health fund created by President Barack Obama's 2010 health care overhaul.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 12, 2012 7:39:12am |
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:39:12am |
Senate Republicans block proposal to keep student loan rates low
The GOP derails Obama's plan in a dispute over how to pay for it. Democrats want to tax wealthier earners; Republicans favor axing a public health fund.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 7:41:17am |
re: #188 Dark_Falcon
They proposed cutting money from a health fund that is part of Obamacare.
And how would they replace what that health fund is supposed to do?
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:42:21am |
Republicans block proposal to keep student loan rates low??? More liberal spin for the Democrat Party controlled LA Times doing their bidding for the Barack HUSSEIN Obama!!!!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:43:51am |
re: #194 Obdicut
And how would they replace what that health fund is supposed to do?
They do not intend to.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 7:44:52am |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
They do not intend to.
Why not? What is the health fund supposed to do, and why do they think that the nation is better off without it?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:47:14am |
re: #195 Gus
If you want to go after some who thinks like that, then go after this:
COMMENTARY | CBS News reported Friday that President Barack Obama held a fundraiser in Los Angeles at the home of movie actor George Clooney Thursday, and raised about $15 million.
Yet the most troubling part of the report was the following words, "The star of the evening, the president, arrived at LAX in his private jet, Air Force One."
The mainstream media had better get this straight -- Air Force One is not the "private jet" of the president, period. We are supposed to live in a country where presidents don't conduct themselves like kings, and the establishment media enables this "king" mentality with such reporting. Continued references like this are a big turn off to voters, especially to those who are struggling. And the president needs to also keep that in mind because he's had an issue about what is his and isn't this week.
If Air Force One belongs to Obama, why do taxpayers pay the brunt of the $179,750 per hour for the operating costs of this plane, per Defense Department calculations as reported by WSOC-TV? Individuals or corporations who own private jets pay all of the operating costs. By CBS News' logic, Obama should be paying all of these costs. On his presidential salary of $400,000 per year, that wouldn't be enough to run the plane three hours.
As for the president himself, when he came out for same sex marriage earlier this week, he made an interesting reference to the military during his interview with ABC, remarking, "those soldiers or airmen or Marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf," as reported by The Weekly Standard.
Warning, It's Yahoo, written by a yahoo.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 12, 2012 7:47:31am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48:04am |
The campaign video for Francois Hollande, France's new president, set to Jay-Z and Kanye's "N***** in Paris"
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Kronocide Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48:06am |
re: #197 Obdicut
Why not? What is the health fund supposed to do, and why do they think that the nation is better off without it?
Resistance and rejection of Obamacare is entirely driven by ideology and money.
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darthstar Sat, May 12, 2012 7:49:37am |
re: #166 Gus
Romney said, "I'm sure they mean to support me, because the poor don't have planes. So yes, Higher Education Costs...I'm all for them. Just get twenty thousand bucks from your parents. And if your parents are anything like mine, you'll find that money in the boathouse in bails wrapped in plastic."
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:50:05am |
re: #197 Obdicut
Why not? What is the health fund supposed to do, and why do they think that the nation is better off without it?
I'll focus on the 'why not', because I have to leave in 15 minutes:
'Why not' is because they believe in putting the priority on national defense, which means cuts to domestic spending. A smaller part of the issue is hostility to anything that is part of the Obamacare package.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:50:43am |
re: #203 darthstar
Romney said, "I'm sure they mean to support me, because the poor don't have planes. So yes, Higher Education Costs...I'm all for them. Just get twenty thousand bucks from your parents. And if your parents are anything like mine, you'll find that money in the boathouse in bails wrapped in plastic."
A plane just flew over Romney's Liberty University speech. Romney says "it must've been a supporter because the poor don't own planes."— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) May 12, 2012
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 12, 2012 7:50:55am |
Speaking of shiny things,,,
The tube in transmitter #12 ain't replacing itself (despite me giving it two hours now to do so!!!)
BBIAB
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 7:51:56am |
re: #202 sattv4u2
again,, shiny things!
Keeping picking up those pennies, but don't go near any dollar coins you see, 'cause I'll knock you down to grab 'em.
///
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 7:52:45am |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
'Why not' is because they believe in putting the priority on national defense, which means cuts to domestic spending.
That's not an answer. I asked what the program did, and why they felt like the nation would be better off without it. if you're just blankly saying that the GOP is opposed to all domestic spending, that they might just cut anything without actually considering the outcome of doing so, then you're giving them a rather large blanket condemnation, given how severely stupid that behavior would be.
It is true that it appears to mostly be what they're up to, except for preserving domestic spending like subsidies for fossil fuels and other such expenditures.
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darthstar Sat, May 12, 2012 7:53:20am |
re: #206 sattv4u2
Speaking of shiny things,,,
The tube in transmitter #12 ain't replacing itself (despite me giving it two hours now to do so!!!)
BBIAB
You still use vacuum tubes?
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 7:53:24am |
Sorry. But I'm just going to ignore the Republican argument here this morning.
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darthstar Sat, May 12, 2012 7:54:38am |
re: #209 Gus
Video Features Mitt Romney Making Case That Dead Straight Parent Is Better Than Live Gay One
The more he tries to explain his way out of the hole he dug for himself, the more Mitt Romney sounds like Dark_Falcon.
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Varek Raith Sat, May 12, 2012 7:54:50am |
re: #90 Obdicut
My wife is wearing boy's jeans and one of my dress shirts. Is she a transvestite?
Giggity!
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erik_t Sat, May 12, 2012 7:55:12am |
The local anti-gay-marriage push poll advertisements have reached a new high, or low. 'Do children need a mom and a dad?'
Well, of course!
Errrr... wait.
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 7:56:48am |
On Wednesday, the House Armed Services Committee took a close look at President Barack Obama's proposed $525.4 billion defense spending plan and decided that simply wasn't enough. The GOP-controlled committee voted to authorize nearly $4 billion more than what the Pentagon had requested for 2013.
The U.S. accounts for about 41% of the world's total defense spending.
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darthstar Sat, May 12, 2012 7:57:01am |
Really, Dark...I thought you'd be flattered by being compared to your candidate. You can tell me I sound like Obama. I'm okay with that. Hell, you can even say I sound like Biden...he's also a smart man.
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erik_t Sat, May 12, 2012 7:57:50am |
re: #203 darthstar
Romney said, "...and if your parents are anything like mine, you'll find that money in the boathouse in bails wrapped in plastic."
There's always money in the banana stand.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 7:57:50am |
re: #212 darthstar
Well, Romney has always supported Romney, whereas Dark previously said Obama was preferable to Romney. So in that way, Romney comes out ahead in terms of consistency.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 7:58:01am |
Romney praising Jerry Falwell at Liberty U.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 7:58:11am |
re: #217 Dark_Falcon
How is the comparison automatically an insult? Who is being insulted, you or Romney?
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erik_t Sat, May 12, 2012 7:58:36am |
re: #221 Obdicut
How is the comparison automatically an insult? Who is being insulted, you or Romney?
Kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it?
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darthstar Sat, May 12, 2012 7:59:20am |
re: #217 Dark_Falcon
Fling an insult, get a downding.
I was being honest. Your comment on defense spending = domestic cuts makes as much sense as Mitt Romney's arguments on gays and adoption.
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darthstar Sat, May 12, 2012 8:00:15am |
re: #220 Unlike Some People
Romney praising Jerry Falwell at Liberty U.
Well, he's dead, so he can't fellate him anymore.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 12, 2012 8:02:20am |
re: #210 darthstar
You still use vacuum tubes?
We have three (out of 28) that still have those. All the rest are MCL TWT's
All three are back-ups to fulltime services we do, so taking one "offline" for a couple of hours isn't a big deal
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 8:02:28am |
Romnney: "Marriage is the relationship between one man and one woman"
CHEERS from the audience, applause
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:02:37am |
re: #220 Unlike Some People
Romney praising Jerry Falwell at Liberty U.
Seriously? No surprise really. This is the Republican Party.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:03:11am |
re: #226 Unlike Some People
Romnney: "Marriage is the relationship between one man and one woman"
CHEERS from the audience, applause
More of that marriage creationism.
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erik_t Sat, May 12, 2012 8:03:32am |
re: #226 Unlike Some People
Romnney: "Marriage is the relationship between one man and one woman"
CHEERS from the audience, applause
Not 'a'? 'The'?
Could you pander any harder, you fucking ass?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 12, 2012 8:03:54am |
re: #221 Obdicut
How is the comparison automatically an insult? Who is being insulted, you or Romney?
I don't care for Darth's tone, that's how.
And now, I have to go. BBL
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 8:04:21am |
re: #226 Unlike Some People
"Life is incomplete without some group to oppress."
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darthstar Sat, May 12, 2012 8:05:20am |
re: #226 Unlike Some People
Romnney: "Marriage is the relationship between one man and one woman"
CHEERS from the audience, applause
Is it a commencement speech or a political rally? Commencement speeches are supposed to be about looking forward to life's lessons, the challenges that lie ahead, and having the courage to face them with dignity and grace. Let me know if he mentions the auto-bailout. Because if he does, he's going to get roasted for not writing a speech for Liberty.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 12, 2012 8:05:35am |
re: #226 Unlike Some People
Romnney: "Marriage is the relationship between one man and one woman"
CHEERS from the audience, applause
...until the man finds another woman he prefers more.
/
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darthstar Sat, May 12, 2012 8:06:07am |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
I don't care for Darth's tone, that's how.
And now, I have to go. BBL
I always get downdinged when I sing off key...it's okay, really.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, May 12, 2012 8:06:50am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 8:06:54am |
re: #229 erik_t
Not 'a'? 'The'?
Could you pander any harder, you fucking ass?
Might have been "a". Quick amateurish transcribing on the fly.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:07:05am |
Going to Liberty U has been a Republican tradition since Ronald Reagan opened the door to these religious demagogues and con-men.
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Varek Raith Sat, May 12, 2012 8:07:42am |
The Soviet Union did that. Screwed domestic spending in favor of military spending. As I recall, that did not work out very well.
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 8:10:45am |
MT @Sarah_Boxer: #Romney today: "From the beginning, this nation has trusted in God, not man" <> "He Sayeth, fire workers and make millions"
— Barracks O'Bama (@P0TUS) May 12, 2012
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 8:11:54am |
Romney line about the greatness of America gets less applause than line about same-sex marriage not being marriage.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 8:12:21am |
re: #241 jaunte
I don't remember God creating the Constitution, or God hitting the beaches at Normandy, or God getting women the right to vote.
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Varek Raith Sat, May 12, 2012 8:12:46am |
re: #243 Obdicut
I don't remember God creating the Constitution, or God hitting the beaches at Normandy, or God getting women the right to vote.
Because you hate Murika!
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 8:13:29am |
re: #243 Obdicut
"From the beginning, this nation has trusted in God, not man" is a notably meaningless, feel-good statement.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 8:13:58am |
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darthstar Sat, May 12, 2012 8:14:41am |
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 8:14:59am |
re: #246 Unlike Some People
"The Supreme Court judge hides his face in shame."
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:18:23am |
re: #248 jaunte
"The Supreme Court judge hides his face in shame."
Mr. Hollywood
He represents your entertainment business in America. It is very apparent that there is a liberal slant with Hollywood. He looks down at the judge and pregnant woman with ridicule and amusement.
Eleventy!!
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Romantic Heretic Sat, May 12, 2012 8:18:34am |
re: #168 Unlike Some People
Reminds me of the Japanese Navy's Sho-Go plan inn WWII. That was ridiculously complicated as well and they got their butts handed to them.
Although that had a lot to do with unbelievable courage and skill on the part of Taffy 3.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:18:50am |
Supreme Court Judge
Judges at this level have great power and often the destiny of a nation is influenced greatly by their actions. This judge hides his face in shame as he considers some of the court decisions that have done great damage to our country. On his wrist watch the time reads 11:59 to signify that there is little time remaining.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:19:32am |
New From JMG: Mitt Romney Denounces Gay Marriage During Speech To Young Fascists: "The American culture promotes... bit.ly/JNJqtq— JoeMyGod (@JoeMyGod) May 12, 2012
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Varek Raith Sat, May 12, 2012 8:19:33am |
re: #246 Unlike Some People
Better.
Image: mcnaughton-fine-art-one-nation-under-god-parody-jesus-cthulhu-blood-monsters.jpg
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 8:19:42am |
re: #249 Gus
The artist's rendering of the 'college student' is carrying a copy of the Five Thousand Year Leap.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 8:21:05am |
re: #253 Varek Raith
Better.
Image: mcnaughton-fine-art-one-nation-under-god-parody-jesus-cthulhu-blood-monsters.jpg
Hahaha, that's hilarious! Where is it from and why isn't annotated with various quotations from the Necronomicon?
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:21:48am |
50% of Americans support gay marriage.Other 50% is divorced.— Denis Leary (@denisleary) May 8, 2012
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Varek Raith Sat, May 12, 2012 8:22:20am |
re: #255 Unlike Some People
Hahaha, that's hilarious! Where is it from and why isn't annotated with various quotations from the Necronomicon?
[Link: www.shortpacked.com...]
Hover over stuff. Lol.
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 8:23:42am |
re: #252 Gus
Let's play spot the logical fallacy!
"The American culture promotes personal responsibility, the dignity of work, the value of education, the merit of service, devotion to a purpose greater than self, and, at the foundation, the pre-eminence of the family. The power of these values is evidenced by a Brookings Institution study that Senator Rick Santorum brought to my attention. For those who graduate from high school, get a full-time job, and marry before they have their first child, the probability that they will be poor is 2%. But, if those things are absent, 76% will be poor. Culture matters.
"As fundamental as these principles are, they may become topics of democratic debate. So it is today with the enduring institution of marriage. Marriage is a relationship between one man and one woman. The protection of religious freedom has also become a matter of debate. It strikes me as odd that the free exercise of religious faith is sometimes treated as a problem, something America is stuck with instead of blessed with. Perhaps religious conscience upsets the designs of those who feel that the highest wisdom and authority comes from government."
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Kronocide Sat, May 12, 2012 8:26:52am |
re: #259 jaunte
Logical Fallacy Salad with a Fundamentalist Vinaigrette.
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Obdicut Sat, May 12, 2012 8:27:23am |
re: #259 jaunte
Therefore, if we don't let gay people marry, they're much more likely to be poor. Therefore, we should allow gay marriage.
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Varek Raith Sat, May 12, 2012 8:28:04am |
re: #261 Obdicut
Therefore, if we don't let gay people marry, they're much more likely to be poor. Therefore, we should allow gay marriage.
MY MIND!
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:28:23am |
re: #259 jaunte
Let's play spot the logical fallacy!
Can't get anymore wingnutty than that. The money quote:
Perhaps religious conscience upsets the designs of those who feel that the highest wisdom and authority comes from government.
Of course "religious conscience" is subjective since he is speaking from a mainstream Christian fundamentalist reading -- despite him being a Mormon.
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 8:28:41am |
re: #261 Obdicut
Why does logical conclusion hate religious freedom?
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:29:25am |
In any event. Believe that "the bible" defines marriage between a man and a woman and that this was "handed down by God" make one what I call a marriage creationist.
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Varek Raith Sat, May 12, 2012 8:29:50am |
My religion allows me to zzzaaappp stupid people.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 8:30:58am |
It's a big tent. And whoever doesn't fit into the tent: They have lots of closets standing right outside the tent.
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Kronocide Sat, May 12, 2012 8:32:50am |
You're either with the Bible or you're a freakin Commie. Which is it, God or Stalin?
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:36:38am |
re: #268 Kronocide
You're either with the Bible or you're a freakin Commie. Which is it, God or Stalin?
The Taliban would agree.
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Kronocide Sat, May 12, 2012 8:38:43am |
re: #269 Gus
The Taliban would agree.
Ha ha, which Taliban? The one over there, or the AmericaFUCKYEAHistan version?
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:40:11am |
re: #270 Kronocide
Ha ha, which Taliban? The one over there, or the AmericaFUCKYEAHistan version?
I'm comfortable in evaluating Mitt Romney as a bigger theocon than either Bush or McCain.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, May 12, 2012 8:47:24am |
Not liberty u
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:47:47am |
Whining from GOProud:
Gay Republicans Slam Romney For Speaking At Liberty
LYNCHBURG, VA – The gay consevative group GOProud is not happy Mitt Romney chose to speak at Liberty University Saturday...
Read their statement at the link. I have zero sympathy for these gay Republicans.
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Kronocide Sat, May 12, 2012 8:49:50am |
re: #271 Gus
I'm comfortable in evaluating Mitt Romney as a bigger theocon than either Bush or McCain.
He is. It's what makes GOP candidates grow.
We shall see if Limbaugh's repeated truism holds true: conservatives who run to the right are successful, leftists who run to the center are more successful. This country is conservative!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 8:50:22am |
No Liberty for U
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 8:51:38am |
Ha! More.
Governor @MittRomney, Pres. George W. Bush knew not to attack #marriage equality when there were #LGBT kids in the crowd graduating. Shame.— LogCabinRepublicans (@LogCabinGOP) May 12, 2012
Now they complain?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 12, 2012 8:56:38am |
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 12, 2012 9:08:50am |
Saw at another website:
Quote o' the Day
"The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data.'"
—Unknown
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(Made me laugh.)
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, May 12, 2012 9:11:45am |
re: #265 Gus
In any event. Believe that "the bible" defines marriage between a man and a woman and that this was "handed down by God" make one what I call a marriage creationist.
Last I checked the Bible defines marriage as between a man, a woman, and another woman that's younger and more fertile.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 9:19:39am |
re: #281 The Ghost of a Flea
Last I checked the Bible defines marriage as between a man, a woman, and another woman that's younger and more fertile.
...
Jesus was kissed by Judas, a homo...Do you choose Jesus, a celibate, or Judas, a homo?
//
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, May 12, 2012 9:22:27am |
re: #283 Obdicut
Try and prove the heterosexuality of Jesus.
Silly. Everybody knows that Jesus made babies with Mary Magdalene.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 9:25:52am |
Does Mitt Romney still have a high school bully inside? latimes.com/news/politics/...— David Horsey (@davidhorsey) May 12, 2012
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The Left Sat, May 12, 2012 9:27:10am |
And to think yesterday I gave Romney some credit for supporting gay people's right to adopt:
Mitt Romney's Support Of Same-Sex Adoption Lasts One Day
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, May 12, 2012 9:27:52am |
re: #273 Gus
Whining from GOProud:
Gay Republicans Slam Romney For Speaking At Liberty
Read their statement at the link. I have zero sympathy for these gay Republicans.
Fuck GOProud. Don't they see that Mitt is doing exactly what they are doing? Ingratiating himself with people who are normally inclined to hate him by bashing people they hate more. Evangelicals don't like Mormons and Mitt Romney wants to be liked by them. Gays are hated by right wingers and GOProud wants to be liked them. I would think they would be sympathetic to Romney's plight.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 9:28:23am |
re: #286 Millicent Islam
It's very telling how quickly Romney is walking back any shred of progressive actions or words his social conservative base is catching him doing or saying.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, May 12, 2012 9:29:42am |
re: #286 Millicent Islam
And to think yesterday I gave Romney some credit for supporting gay people's right to adopt:
Mitt Romney's Support Of Same-Sex Adoption Lasts One Day
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
That's the thing about GOPers, the American people have to stop giving them any credit. When they get in power they will be doing all of the destructive, stupid and hateful shit that your liberal friends warned you they would.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 9:37:18am |
Good thing Liberty University is a non-partisan, tax free educational institution.
//
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The Left Sat, May 12, 2012 9:39:00am |
re: #286 Millicent Islam
It's very telling how quickly Romney is walking back any shred of progressive actions or words his social conservative base is catching him doing or saying.
Oh yeah, completely!
#286 Millicent Islam
And to think yesterday I gave Romney some credit for supporting gay people's right to adopt:
Mitt Romney's Support Of Same-Sex Adoption Lasts One Day
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
That's the thing about GOPers, the American people have to stop giving them any credit. When they get in power they will be doing all of the destructive, stupid and hateful shit that your liberal friends warned you they would.
I'm under no illusions about what the GOP will do when in power--at the time I was amazed that Mitt came out in favour of gay adoption. It's telling that his first response was so mild. Even though the fundies wail, the times are definitely changing.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 9:41:41am |
re: #293 Millicent Islam
Your javascript must be turned off or f'd up.
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The Left Sat, May 12, 2012 9:46:49am |
re: #293 Millicent Islam
Your javascript must be turned off or f'd up
Thanks! I did just update it the other day, that must be it. Everytime I try to upding I get bounced to the front page.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 9:48:17am |
Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.
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The Left Sat, May 12, 2012 9:49:06am |
Gus
Burp.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 9:51:24am |
re: #298 Millicent Islam
Gus
Burp.
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Noah's curse!!!!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 9:51:50am |
re: #296 Millicent Islam
You can just quote someone by using blockquote tags btw.
[blockquote]like this[/blockquote]
But substitute [ ] with < >
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 9:52:44am |
Anti-miscegenation laws in the United States: After American independence
In the 18th, 19th, and early 20th century, many American states passed anti-miscegenation laws, which were often defended by invoking racist interpretations of the Bible, particularly of the stories of Phinehas and of the "Curse of Ham".[13] In 1776, seven out of the Thirteen Colonies that declared their independence enforced laws against interracial marriage. Although slavery was gradually abolished in the North after independence, this at first had little impact on the enforcement of anti-miscegenation laws. An exception was Pennsylvania, which repealed its anti-miscegenation law in 1780, together with some of the other restrictions placed on free blacks, when it enacted a bill for the gradual abolition of slavery in the state. Later, in 1843, Massachusetts repealed its anti-miscegenation law after abolitionists protested against it. However, as the US expanded, all the new slave states as well as many new free states such as Illinois[14] and California[15] enacted such laws.
Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, Texas, South Carolina and Alabama legalized interracial marriage for some years during the Reconstruction period. Anti-miscegenation laws rested unenforced, were overturned by courts or repealed by the state government (in Arkansas[16] and Louisiana[17]). However, after conservative white Democrats took power in the South during Redemption, anti-miscegenation laws were once more enforced, and in addition Jim Crow laws were enacted in the South which also enforced other forms of racial segregation.[18]
A number of northern and western states permanently repealed their anti-miscegenation laws during the 19th century. This, however, did little to halt anti-miscegenation sentiments in the rest of the country. Newly established western states continued to enact laws banning interracial marriage in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Between 1913 and 1948, 30 out of the then 48 states enforced anti-miscegenation laws.[19] Only Connecticut, New Hampshire, New York, New Jersey, Vermont, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Alaska, Hawaii, and the federal District of Columbia never enacted them.
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The Left Sat, May 12, 2012 9:54:40am |
Some butthurt from the weekly Standard:
Businessman Frank Vandersloot, the CEO of Melaleuca, has been targeted by the Obama campaign after donating money to Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. "Three weeks ago, an Obama campaign website, 'Keeping GOP Honest,' took the extraordinary step of publicly naming and assailing eight private citizens backing Mr. Romney," Kim Strassel of the Wall Street Journal reported. "Titled 'Behind the curtain: a brief history of Romney's donors,' the post accused the eight of being 'wealthy individuals with less-than-reputable records.' Mr. VanderSloot was one of the eight, smeared particularly as being 'litigious, combative and a bitter foe of the gay rights movement.'"
The attacks are working. Vandersloot revealed in an interview on Fox News that his business practice is being hurt by the attacks from the Obama team.
"Those people that I know well weren't affected by this [attack]," said Vandersloot. "But for people who didn't know me, who are members of our business or customers, and they were reading this, then we got a barrage of phone calls of people cancelling their customer memberships with us."
"Really?," the Fox News host asked. "How many did that?"
"A couple hundred that we can track," Vandersloot replied.
Again, the host asked, "Really? Do you have any grounds to sue?"
"I suppose we do," Vandersloot said.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 9:58:31am |
Thinking of God helps people to assert self-control—even if they're atheists
Proven by science!!!!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, May 12, 2012 10:02:01am |
re: #304 Millicent Islam
Some butthurt from the weekly Standard:
Businessman Frank Vandersloot, the CEO of Melaleuca, has been targeted by the Obama campaign after donating money to Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. "Three weeks ago, an Obama campaign website, 'Keeping GOP Honest,' took the extraordinary step of publicly naming and assailing eight private citizens backing Mr. Romney," Kim Strassel of the Wall Street Journal reported. "Titled 'Behind the curtain: a brief history of Romney's donors,' the post accused the eight of being 'wealthy individuals with less-than-reputable records.' Mr. VanderSloot was one of the eight, smeared particularly as being 'litigious, combative and a bitter foe of the gay rights movement.'"
The attacks are working. Vandersloot revealed in an interview on Fox News that his business practice is being hurt by the attacks from the Obama team.
"Those people that I know well weren't affected by this [attack]," said Vandersloot. "But for people who didn't know me, who are members of our business or customers, and they were reading this, then we got a barrage of phone calls of people cancelling their customer memberships with us."
"Really?," the Fox News host asked. "How many did that?"
"A couple hundred that we can track," Vandersloot replied.
Again, the host asked, "Really? Do you have any grounds to sue?"
"I suppose we do," Vandersloot said.
Fuck you, Vandersloot. Cry me a river you WATB.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 10:02:27am |
re: #304 Millicent Islam
Did you read Romney's butthurt today from Liberty Jerry Falwell University?
"The American culture promotes personal responsibility, the dignity of work, the value of education, the merit of service, devotion to a purpose greater than self, and, at the foundation, the pre-eminence of the family. The power of these values is evidenced by a Brookings Institution study that Senator Rick Santorum brought to my attention. For those who graduate from high school, get a full-time job, and marry before they have their first child, the probability that they will be poor is 2%. But, if those things are absent, 76% will be poor. Culture matters.
"As fundamental as these principles are, they may become topics of democratic debate. So it is today with the enduring institution of marriage. Marriage is a relationship between one man and one woman. The protection of religious freedom has also become a matter of debate. It strikes me as odd that the free exercise of religious faith is sometimes treated as a problem, something America is stuck with instead of blessed with. Perhaps religious conscience upsets the designs of those who feel that the highest wisdom and authority comes from government."
Opposing Romney's and wingnut haters "religious conscience" is Communism!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, May 12, 2012 10:05:13am |
re: #308 Gus
Did you read Romney's butthurt today from Liberty Jerry Falwell University?
Opposing Romney's and wingnut haters "religious conscience" is Communism!
The butthurt is strong with these people.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 10:06:29am |
Just in case I didn't make myself clear earlier. Karl Rove is an asshole. That is all.
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wrenchwench Sat, May 12, 2012 10:11:41am |
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prairiefire Sat, May 12, 2012 10:16:25am |
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 10:19:08am |
re: #305 Unlike Some People
Thinking of God helps people to assert self-control—even if they're atheists
Proven by science!!!
It doesn't have to be the Christian/Jewish/Muslim god to work, it can be any authority you give the power of observation to. Had these students been told there were cameras focused on them specifically to catch them engaging in prohibited activities, their ability to control themselves would be enhanced. However, it's important to note that controlling these activities are voluntary and non-voluntary activities like those associated with OCD and psychopathies aren't that easily controlled.
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 10:19:37am |
re: #310 Gus
Just in case I didn't make myself clear earlier. Karl Rove is an asshole. That is all.
You don't say.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 10:20:32am |
re: #314 Cathartic Expression
An ex of mine once told me about how in her childhood she thought of God as the ultimate surveillance program.
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wrenchwench Sat, May 12, 2012 10:21:53am |
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 10:22:19am |
re: #316 Unlike Some People
An ex of mine once told me about how in her childhood she thought of God as the ultimate surveillance program.
She's right. It's an effective control program. That's why god had to be omniscient and omnipresent.
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 10:23:15am |
Mr. Obama, you have shaken your fist at God & called him a liar. Sin can never be sanctified. You are no leader, sir #GayMarriageFraud
— Matt Barber (@jmattbarber) May 12, 2012
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 10:23:37am |
re: #317 wrenchwench
Now I'm too intimidated to ever make pancakes again.
Print out pics and place them on your own pancakes. No one will know the difference.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 10:24:06am |
re: #317 wrenchwench
Now I'm too intimidated to ever make pancakes again.
I've been told that cooking takes love, and that love takes the willingness to not care.
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wrenchwench Sat, May 12, 2012 10:25:34am |
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Eventual Carrion Sat, May 12, 2012 10:26:06am |
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wrenchwench Sat, May 12, 2012 10:26:25am |
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 10:26:56am |
re: #319 jaunte
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I did exactly the same to the Easter Bunny and now I don't ever find any Easter eggs.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 10:29:19am |
Top GOP Pollster to GOP: Reverse On Gay Issues
Not fucking likely. See #136.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 10:29:33am |
re: #318 Cathartic Expression
She's right. It's an effective control program. That's why god had to be omniscient and omnipresent.
Not true! It was known that He was "omniscient and omnipresent" because He told them so!
//
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jaunte Sat, May 12, 2012 10:31:09am |
re: #324 wrenchwench
It's kind of funny that people like Matt Barber speak up in defense of what God will do, care about, or feel insulted by, in the certain knowledge that He won't contradict them. Seems rather faithless.
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 10:31:23am |
re: #327 Gus
Not true! It was known that He was "omniscient and omnipresent" because He told them so!
//
That weren't no god whispering in their ears, it was the hallucinogenic incense.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 10:33:10am |
re: #330 Cathartic Expression
That weren't no god whispering in their ears, it was the hallucinogenic incense.
Lies! You can't prove that I'm wrong therefore I'm right!
//
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 10:34:29am |
re: #329 jaunte
It's kind of funny that people like Matt Barber speak up in defense of what God will do, care about, or feel insulted by, in the certain knowledge that He won't contradict them. Seems rather faithless.
That's because Barber has the most recent 'Decoder Ring 2000' beta, with free updates.
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 10:35:58am |
re: #331 Gus
Lies! You can't prove that I'm wrong therefore I'm right!
//
I also can't prove you're intelligent, therefore you're brainless.
(I'm not talking about Gus here)
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 10:36:03am |
re: #332 Cathartic Expression
That's because Barber has the most recent 'Decoder Ring 2000' beta, with free updates.
I'm always amazed at how many low-lives, charlatans, and con-men that He is willing to talk to.
//
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 10:38:00am |
All knowing intelligent super-being that live in the nebulous other-world. Creator of the universe, from atoms to black holes. The inventor of sight, hearing and language...
Also talked with Jerry Falwell on a regular basis.
//
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 10:38:47am |
re: #334 Gus
I'm always amazed at how many low-lives, charlatans, and con-men that He is willing to talk to.
//
I'm always amazed by how many re-borns see/feel/intuit god while on drugs.
I'm including my brother in this. I have yet to talk him down.
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Gus Sat, May 12, 2012 10:44:11am |
re: #336 Cathartic Expression
I'm always amazed by how many re-borns see/feel/intuit god while on drugs.
I'm including my brother in this. I have yet to talk him down.
Hard to believe that's it's the 21st century and we're debating about the Biblical reasoning behind a ban on gay marriage.
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 10:49:01am |
re: #337 Gus
Hard to believe that's it's the 21st century and we're debating about the Biblical reasoning behind a ban on gay marriage.
Religious beliefs strengthen in times of stress. It's a remnant from our reliance on our parents, whom we view as all powerful when we're infants. You notice how hard the right is working on increasing the perceived level of stress in the world, that's how they get what they want.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, May 12, 2012 10:58:24am |
re: #326 Unlike Some People
Top GOP Pollster to GOP: Reverse On Gay Issues
Not fucking likely. See #136.
The GOP cannot win elections without gay bigots. What is so difficult about this to understand? If there is one thing I have learned over the last 3 years it is the extent to which half of the GOP seems to be oblivious to the all encompassing bigotry and hatred of the other half of the GOP. They really think the haters are fringe. The crazy 27% of the general population is over half of the Republican population and the other half seems to just now be noticing.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, May 12, 2012 10:59:17am |
re: #340 moderatelyradicalliberal
The GOP cannot win elections without gay bigots. What is so difficult about this to understand? If there is one thing I have learned over the last 3 years it is the extent to which half of the GOP seems to be oblivious to the all encompassing bigotry and hatred of the other half of the GOP. They really think the haters are fringe. The crazy 27% of the general population is over half of the Republican population and the other half seems to just now be noticing.
I mean anti-gay bigots.
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sagehen Sat, May 12, 2012 11:00:31am |
re: #302 Gus
Anti-miscegenation laws in the United States: After American independence
That article just demolished one of my points of pride in my homestate... when California struck down its anti-miscegenation laws in 1948, I thought it was the first.
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bratwurst Sat, May 12, 2012 11:01:12am |
PRANK GOES TOO FAR: Mitt Romney holds down Ron Paul, trims his ear hair #RomneyBully— Steve Young (@PANTSSteve) May 12, 2012
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Interesting Times Sat, May 12, 2012 11:16:18am |
Liberty U: Where kids don't learn HOW to think, only WHAT to think. #IndoctrinatedYouth— Path2Enlightenment (@Path2Enlighten) May 12, 2012
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allegro Sat, May 12, 2012 11:24:04am |
re: #344 Interesting Times
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More like what to parrot. Thinking doesn't enter into it.
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 11:35:10am |
re: #345 allegro
More like what to parrot. Thinking doesn't enter into it.
If you preoccupy the mind with a task like memorization, it tends toward and internalizes that ability. Critical thinking skills, if not taught at the same time, will tend not to be internalized. The pathways, which can vary from tens of thousands to millions of connections, with the higher number of connections will be favoured over those with fewer.
It's easy to see from this that once those pathways built by the memorization training will take over when critical analysis is attempted.
(I know, nobody really cares about this, but it clarifies my own thinking)
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, May 12, 2012 11:41:35am |
Funny.
A lot of fundamentalist christians use arguments from eugenics against same-sex marriage.
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allegro Sat, May 12, 2012 11:42:37am |
re: #346 Cathartic Expression
If you preoccupy the mind with a task like memorization, it tends toward and internalizes that ability. Critical thinking skills, if not taught at the same time, will tend not to be internalized. The pathways, which can vary from tens of thousands to millions of connections, with the higher number of connections will be favoured over those with fewer.
It's easy to see from this that once those pathways built by the memorization training will take over when critical analysis is attempted.
(I know, nobody really cares about this, but it clarifies my own thinking)
Excellent analysis.
This is a seriously big deal to me as a retired science educator. My students would come into Bio101 with a few memorized facts but no real thinking about the creativity that it took for those facts to be discovered. For instance, Watson and Crick who finally untangled the structure of DNA. I loved seeing how their attitudes about science changed after reading The Double Helix that I required. Great book that is fun and exciting reading, even for those who were never into science. One of my final assignments in the course was to develop a sci-fi movie/book concept based on what they had learned throughout the course, asking them to think outside of the box and apply the basic principals to a "what if?" scenario. Funnest papers of the year to grade.
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bratwurst Sat, May 12, 2012 11:43:19am |
re: #347 Unlike Some People
Funny.
A lot of fundamentalist christians use arguments from eugenics against same-sex marriage.
They also pound the "marriage is for making babies" argument, but never seem to promote the idea of revoking the marriage licenses of childless couples.
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b_sharp Sat, May 12, 2012 11:52:21am |
re: #348 allegro
Excellent analysis.
This is a seriously big deal to me as a retired science educator. My students would come into Bio101 with a few memorized facts but no real thinking about the creativity that it took for those facts to be discovered. For instance, Watson and Crick who finally untangled the structure of DNA. I loved seeing how their attitudes about science changed after reading The Double Helix that I required. Great book that is fun and exciting reading, even for those who were never into science. One of my final assignments in the course was to develop a sci-fi movie/book concept based on what they had learned throughout the course, asking them to think outside of the box and apply the basic principals to a "what if?" scenario. Funnest papers of the year to grade.
Contrary to what I've heard on RW talk radio, teachers have the most important, and unfortunately, scrutinized jobs involving kids possible.
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allegro Sat, May 12, 2012 12:06:10pm |
re: #350 Cathartic Expression
Contrary to what I've heard on RW talk radio, teachers have the most important, and unfortunately, scrutinized jobs involving kids possible.
Absolutely. Fortunately for me, I taught at the university level so I didn't have the same bullshit to deal with. I wouldn't have lasted a year in the public school system.
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