Quote of the Day: 'We Republicans Don't Have a Lot of Songs to Choose From'

Quote of the Day: ‘We Republicans Don’t Have a Lot of Songs to Choose From’

Ain’t it the truth

PoliticsMay 2012 • Views: 34,463

When Wisconsin GOP Senate Candidate Jeff Fitzgerald decided to use a song by the Dropkick Murphys as walk-on music, the band was not amused.

“The stupidity and irony of this is laughable,” the band wrote. “A Wisconsin Republican U.S. Senate candidate - and crony of anti-Union Governor Scott Walker - using a Dropkick Murphys song as an intro is like a white supremacist coming out to gangsta rap!”

This complaint led Fitzgerald to utter today’s quote of the day:

“I like their music, and that’s the song from ‘The Departed.’ I always liked the beginning of that song. My last name is Fitzgerald,” he said. “We Republicans don’t have a lot of songs we can choose from.”

There’s always Toby Keith.

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249 comments

jamesfirecat Mon, May 14, 2012 12:31:36pm

This guy should be forced to have Dropkick Murphy's "Which side are you on" blasted at all of his events for poetic justice.

Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 12:32:09pm

They could go for accuracy:

Youtube Video

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:32:57pm

"There’s always Toby Keith." LOL

Flounder Mon, May 14, 2012 12:34:07pm

!!!!SLAYER!!!!!
(fist pumping devil horns)
Sorry, it has been a long day.

erik_t Mon, May 14, 2012 12:34:24pm

I'm surprised they don't go all-out and just blast copyright-expired patriotic music at every event.

Might as well.

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:35:55pm

I think the outrage of artists over the use of their songs is understandable, but pointless. Democrats could quote Limbaugh, Republicans can play Neil Young walk-on music. Does anybody mistake the playing of music for a political endorsement by the band? I can't get too excited about this.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 14, 2012 12:36:01pm

I see a market niche for an aspiring rock band.

Obdicut Mon, May 14, 2012 12:36:02pm

re: #5 erik_t

There's some good folksy stuff from during the red scare about how much commies suck. They could use that.

Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 12:36:12pm

re: #4 Tommy's cone of shame

!!!SLAYER!!!
(fist pumping devil horns)
Sorry, it has been a long day.

Youtube Video

HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 12:36:22pm

"Stick a boot up your ass and call it the American way" versus "Still stuck in Folsom prison, that's why I can't be free." Yeah, doesn't take a genius to know that the better musicians typically lean left.

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:36:29pm

Hey, Slasher - is that your dog in the avatar?

dragonath Mon, May 14, 2012 12:37:29pm

Youtube Video

Re-elect Mayor Goldie Wilson. Progress is his middle name!!

Lidane Mon, May 14, 2012 12:37:35pm

What kind of idiot suggests a Dropkick Murphys song for a Republican? Have they ever bothered to listen to the band at all?

Not only that, but "I'm Shipping Up to Boston", which is the song Fitzgerald used, has lyrics by Woody Guthrie. You'd think the right would hate that on principle.

Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 12:37:38pm

Of course, the obvious for the GOP

Youtube Video

freetoken Mon, May 14, 2012 12:37:40pm

“We Republicans don’t have a lot of songs we can choose from.”

Oh... nonsense.

There's always the old favorite:

MP3 Audio

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:37:44pm

@jamesfirecat: what is so objectionable about my post?

Varek Raith Mon, May 14, 2012 12:37:47pm

re: #6 Ascher

I think the outrage of artists over the use of their songs is understandable, but pointless. Democrats could quote Limbaugh, Republicans can play Neil Young walk-on music. Does anybody mistake the playing of music for a political endorsement by the band? I can't get too excited about this.

Pointless? Methinks not.

Lidane Mon, May 14, 2012 12:38:52pm

re: #6 Ascher

So artists don't have the right to object over how someone uses their work?

Flounder Mon, May 14, 2012 12:39:01pm

re: #11 Ascher

Yes, long story, but my dog Amedeus received a bad bite from the neighbor's dog, needed two dozen staples and "the cone of shame"
He is better now, barky little effer, but I love him.

SLAYER WOO HOOO!!!
Kragar Awesome song!!!!!!!!!

Varek Raith Mon, May 14, 2012 12:39:04pm

re: #16 Ascher

@jamesfirecat: what is so objectionable about my post?

Because it's not pointless for them to be outraged by the theft of their music. I thought the GOP was the law and order types!
:P

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:39:14pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

Pointless? Methinks not.

Why? They are free to object publicly, but music that is being used legally is sort of fair game, is it not?

HAL2010 Mon, May 14, 2012 12:39:18pm

Presenting the official song of all women in regards to Republicans.:

Youtube Video

jamesfirecat Mon, May 14, 2012 12:39:37pm

re: #16 Ascher

@jamesfirecat: what is so objectionable about my post?

I was writing a response to it but needed some time to get my thoughts in order properly.

I feel that if a band's music is going to be associated with a candidate the band had best approved of it/have gotten paid for it. After all, the song is their property right?

erik_t Mon, May 14, 2012 12:40:07pm

re: #6 Ascher

I think the outrage of artists over the use of their songs is understandable, but pointless. Democrats could quote Limbaugh, Republicans can play Neil Young walk-on music. Does anybody mistake the playing of music for a political endorsement by the band? I can't get too excited about this.

Fucking copyright, how does it work?

Decatur Deb Mon, May 14, 2012 12:40:52pm

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Lidane Mon, May 14, 2012 12:41:07pm

re: #21 Ascher

Why? They are free to object publicly, but music that is being used legally is sort of fair game, is it not?

Their copyrighted song was used without their permission. That's where the objection lies.

Simply Sarah Mon, May 14, 2012 12:41:18pm

re: #13 Lidane

What kind of idiot suggests a Dropkick Murphys song for a Republican? Have they ever bothered to listen to the band at all?

Not only that, but "I'm Shipping Up to Boston", which is the song Fitzgerald used, has lyrics by Woody Guthrie. You'd think the right would hate that on principle.

Well, it goes even beyond that. What makes it so amazing is that here you have an ally of Scott Walker using a song from a band that is not just liberal, not just highly outspoken in support of labour/unions, but that has been in open and direct opposition to Walker. It's hilarious.

Flounder Mon, May 14, 2012 12:41:18pm

...fragments of what used to be,
skeletons of society...

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:41:34pm

re: #18 Lidane
I never said that. In fact, I said their outrage is understandable. I just don't see the point. They should feel free to make a statement, or write a song lamenting the abuse of their material. But nobody has stolen anything, or done anyting wrong or illegal. I might question the choice of a Democrat to play Ted Nugent at a rally, and Nugent would flip his shit. But it's all just so much whinging, in my opinion.

Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 12:41:52pm

re: #21 Ascher

Why? They are free to object publicly, but music that is being used legally is sort of fair game, is it not?

Unless being used for commercial purposes, in which case they are due royalties. Its considered intellectual property, so they can object legally if its being used in a campaign, whether for a product or a candidate.

jamesfirecat Mon, May 14, 2012 12:42:36pm

re: #29 Ascher

I never said that. In fact, I said their outrage is understandable. I just don't see the point. They should feel free to make a statement, or write a song lamenting the abuse of their material. But nobody has stolen anything, or done anyting wrong or illegal. I might question the choice of a Democrat to play Ted Nugent at a rally, and Nugent would flip his shit. But it's all just so much whinging, in my opinion.

See post 24 and then work on removing your foot from your mouth.

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:42:49pm

re: #14 Kragar

Of course, the obvious for the GOP

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Here's one for the Republicans. Make that for Mitt Romney. Ted Nugent singing about his lust for a 13 year old girl.

Youtube Video

Jailtbait - GOP approved

A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 14, 2012 12:43:02pm

The GOP has all Lawrence Welk's songs available.. Why not use them?

Kronocide Mon, May 14, 2012 12:43:13pm

Don't forget Hank Williams Jr

HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 12:43:57pm

Maybe they dislike candidates using their music without permission. If you had written a song, you would be pissed too to see someone using it without asking like that.

Simply Sarah Mon, May 14, 2012 12:44:03pm

re: #34 Kronocide

Don't forget Hank Williams Jr

I'd really rather we could.

Lidane Mon, May 14, 2012 12:44:05pm

re: #27 Simply Sarah

Well, it goes even beyond that. What makes it so amazing is that here you have an ally of Scott Walker using a song from a band that is not just liberal, not just highly outspoken in support of labour/unions, but that has been in open and direct opposition to Walker. It's hilarious.

That too. The Dropkick Murphys were so against Walker and his anti-union efforts that they wrote a song about it. They opposed him completely.

What the fuck kind of moron uses them as a campaign intro song if you're an ally of Scott Walker? WTF.

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:44:05pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

I was writing a response to it but needed some time to get my thoughts in order properly.

I feel that if a band's music is going to be associated with a candidate the band had best approved of it/have gotten paid for it. After all, the song is their property right?

Thanks for the response. I really don't think it's their property beyond whatever copyright claims they have under the law. Poets and authors don't really charge around from classroom to classroom making sure their work is not misinterpreted, do they? Again, I think that the band can and should state publicly that the playing of their music should not be taken as an endorsement; they certainly have the platform to get the message out.

Flounder Mon, May 14, 2012 12:44:21pm

or Billy Ray Cyrus

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:44:36pm

re: #33 HoosierHoops

The GOP has all Lawrence Welk's songs available.. Why not use them?

Pat Boone!

blueraven Mon, May 14, 2012 12:44:59pm

re: #6 Ascher

I think the outrage of artists over the use of their songs is understandable, but pointless. Democrats could quote Limbaugh, Republicans can play Neil Young walk-on music. Does anybody mistake the playing of music for a political endorsement by the band? I can't get too excited about this.

I beg to differ. If I were a songwriter and some candidate with political views to the extreme of mine used one of my songs, I would not like it one bit. It certainly can be construed as endorsement.

jamesfirecat Mon, May 14, 2012 12:45:05pm

re: #38 Ascher

Thanks for the response. I really don't think it's their property beyond whatever copyright claims they have under the law. Poets and authors don't really charge around from classroom to classroom making sure their work is not misinterpreted, do they? Again, I think that the band can and should state publicly that the playing of their music should not be taken as an endorsement; they certainly have the platform to get the message out.

Once again see post 24, a law was in fact broken by playing Dropkick Murphy's song at a rally without their permission.

Decatur Deb Mon, May 14, 2012 12:45:22pm

re: #40 Gus

Pat Boone!

#25

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:45:57pm

re: #43 Decatur Deb

#25

Complete with water soluble tats. Ha!

freetoken Mon, May 14, 2012 12:46:05pm

Another one that would be a sure hit with today's GOP:

THE STAR-SPANGLED CROSS AND THE PURE FIELD OF WHITE
Words and music by Subaltern

The Star-Spangled Cross and the pure field of white
Is the banner we give to the breeze,
'Tis an emblem of Freedom unfurled in the right,
O'er our homes and our lands and our seas.

CHORUS: We'll stand by the Cross
And the pure field of white,
While a shred's left to float on the air:
Our trust is in God, who can help us in fight,
And defend those who ask Him in prayer.

For years we have cringed to the uplifted rod,
For years have demanded our right,
Our voice shouts defiance, our trust is in God,
And the strong arm that gives us our might.

CHORUS

Our hills and our vales with the death shriek may ring,
And our forests may swarm with the foe,
But still to the breeze our proud banner we'll fling,
And to Vict'ry or Death we will go.

CHORUS

Fields of pure white, indeed.

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:46:14pm

I am generally happy to be educated; I make no claim to know everything. Tempers generally on lgf seem to be pretty short, these days.

Lidane Mon, May 14, 2012 12:46:34pm

re: #29 Ascher

I never said that. In fact, I said their outrage is understandable. I just don't see the point.

The point is that not only do they own their copyrights, but they ALSO publicly and vehemently opposed Scott Walker and the Wisconsin GOP in their anti-union efforts. They even wrote music against it.

A Wisconsin Republican using a song by the Dropkick Murphys is stupid. They should have known better.

HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 12:46:35pm

re: #37 Lidane

That too. The Dropkick Murphys were so against Walker and his anti-union efforts that they wrote a song about it. They opposed him completely.

What the fuck kind of moron uses them as a campaign intro song if you're an ally of Scott Walker? WTF.

A tone deaf one? Anyhow, I think Fitz just liked the sound. Kind of like Reagan and Born In the USA.

Decatur Deb Mon, May 14, 2012 12:46:38pm

re: #44 Gus

Complete with water soluble tats. Ha!

Come off during swimming-pool baptisms.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 12:46:47pm

re: #9 Kragar

heard the new Gojira yet?

Youtube Video

m-m-m-m-m-m-m-masssssive

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 12:47:24pm

re: #47 Lidane

The point is that not only do they own their copyrights, but they ALSO publicly and vehemently opposed Scott Walker and the Wisconsin GOP in their anti-union efforts. They even wrote music against it.

A Wisconsin Republican using a song by the Dropkick Murphys is stupid. They should have known better.

they're always so out of touch

WAIT ARTISTS HAVE LIBERAL POLITICS?!?!?!

Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 12:47:44pm

Luckily, I have already found my campaign theme music

Youtube Video

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 12:48:08pm

re: #46 Ascher

I am generally happy to be educated; I make no claim to know everything. Tempers generally on lgf seem to be pretty short, these days.

when everything in the economy is turning to shit and a lot of my friends are unemployed and saddled with crippling debt, yeah, it makes me a bit prickly

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:48:29pm

GOP Music Policy

There will be no music! Music leads to dancing and may lead to sex acts outside of marriage either inside our outside of the venue. Music must be avoided at all costs. If music is to be played music of the type that may lead to the gyration of hips and/or other different body parts must be avoided. Music from the negroid cultures must be avoided at all costs.

Bulworth Mon, May 14, 2012 12:49:42pm

“We Republicans don’t have a lot of songs we can choose from.”

Everybody hates us

We're persecuted

Another example of the Liberal Media Hollywood Entertainment Industry bias against us

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:50:09pm

re: #53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

when everything in the economy is turning to shit and a lot of my friends are unemployed and saddled with crippling debt, yeah, it makes me a bit prickly

I'm up to my nose in college-related debt and have not had a permanent job since 2006. So I would politely request that folks find another dog to kick.

Lidane Mon, May 14, 2012 12:50:11pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

A tone deaf one? Anyhow, I think Fitz just liked the sound. Kind of like Reagan and Born In the USA.

And just like Reagan, Fitzgerald clearly doesn't have anyone around him to correct the mistake.

Nobody on his campaign could do a Google search about the Dropkick Murphys or approach the band directly before using the song? WTF.

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:50:19pm

Here's an example:

Youtube Video

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 12:50:27pm

re: #6 Ascher

I think the outrage of artists over the use of their songs is understandable, but pointless. Democrats could quote Limbaugh, Republicans can play Neil Young walk-on music. Does anybody mistake the playing of music for a political endorsement by the band? I can't get too excited about this.

You cannot be serious.

I'm an artist, art is my life, it's an extension of my personality. If a Republican were lifting my art to use to promote their politics (which are always opposite mine, and particularly disgusting, bigoted and inhuman these days), I'd be furious and doing everything in my power to stop them

jamesfirecat Mon, May 14, 2012 12:50:46pm

re: #56 Ascher

I'm up to my nose in college-related debt and have not had a permanent job since 2006. So I would politely request that folks find another dog to kick.

We'll be happy to stop correcting you as soon as you stop being wrong.

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:50:50pm

re: #58 Gus

Here's an example:

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Hmm. That actually might be a little too sexual for Republicans.

sagehen Mon, May 14, 2012 12:51:26pm

re: #38 Ascher

Thanks for the response. I really don't think it's their property beyond whatever copyright claims they have under the law. Poets and authors don't really charge around from classroom to classroom making sure their work is not misinterpreted, do they? Again, I think that the band can and should state publicly that the playing of their music should not be taken as an endorsement; they certainly have the platform to get the message out.

If you want to use somebody's song, you can hire a band to play it and send a check via ASCAP and there's nothing they can do about it.

If you want to use their recording of their performance, you need permission.

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:51:52pm

re: #59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

You cannot be serious.

I'm an artist, art is my life, it's an extension of my personality. If a Republican were lifting my art to use to promote their politics (which are always opposite mine, and particularly disgusting, bigoted and inhuman these days), I'd be furious and doing everything in my power to stop them

I understand, and I thank you for taking the time to explain this from the artist's perspective. Personally, I would never extrapolate the playing of a song to an endorsement by the artist of the venue or people present in the venue.

Bulworth Mon, May 14, 2012 12:51:54pm

My favorite musician response to RWNJ has to be Curt Smith from Tears For Fears who asked Faux Noise to "stop using our music on your evil f$cking station".

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 12:52:04pm

re: #56 Ascher

I'm up to my nose in college-related debt and have not had a permanent job since 2006. So I would politely request that folks find another dog to kick.

I wasn't referring to you, just my general demeanor on LGF for the past year or two ;-)

but seriously, if you don't understand how an artist could be pissed at their heartfelt work being used to promote the enemy, I don't know what to tell you except maybe talk to artists and actually understand what they go through for their work?

HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 12:52:26pm

re: #57 Lidane

And just like Reagan, Fitzgerald clearly doesn't have anyone around him to correct the mistake.

Nobody on his campaign could do a Google search about the Dropkick Murphys or approach the band directly before using the song? WTF.

Yeah, they're idiots.

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:52:32pm

Youtube Video

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:52:51pm

Is Paul Williams a Republican?

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:53:12pm

re: #60 jamesfirecat
I have no problem being corrected; I welcome it. If the tone were a little less snippy, it would be a lot more like an adult conversation rather than a 7th grade cafeteria.

iossarian Mon, May 14, 2012 12:53:15pm

re: #57 Lidane

And just like Reagan, Fitzgerald clearly doesn't have anyone around him to correct the mistake.

Nobody on his campaign could do a Google search about the Dropkick Murphys or approach the band directly before using the song? WTF.

Oh, they know what the song implications are (if they don't they shouldn't be allowed to operate heavy machinery, let alone run for office).

It's just that they and their supporters are well-practiced at enjoying the tribal rush that comes from listening to popular music while blocking out the annoyingly anti-conservative messages that the lyrics provide.

Simply Sarah Mon, May 14, 2012 12:53:20pm

re: #53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

when everything in the economy is turning to shit and a lot of my friends are unemployed and saddled with crippling debt, yeah, it makes me a bit prickly

Very understandable. That being said, I do think zie has a bit of a point that people seem a bit overeager to jump on people with a hail of downdings when the poster may simply be misinformed/outside of the general consensus here, even on something like music.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 12:53:59pm

re: #63 Ascher

I understand, and I thank you for taking the time to explain this from the artist's perspective. Personally, I would never extrapolate the playing of a song to an endorsement by the artist of the venue or people present in the venue.

it's more that the Republican is enriched by it

everything is association, I would be equally pissed if my work was used to promote the KKK

Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 12:54:09pm

re: #67 Gus

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Try this version:

Youtube Video

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:55:04pm

re: #73 Kragar

Try this version:

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Perfect! But that blonde lady needs a hair cut! You hold her down and I'll cut!

Charles Johnson Mon, May 14, 2012 12:55:08pm

Republicans do have Ted Nugent, of course. But you notice that they never use his music - because it's mostly about Ted's dick and how often he uses it. "Wango Tango" just doesn't seem appropriate for a Romney rally.

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:55:14pm

re: #65 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I wasn't referring to you, just my general demeanor on LGF for the past year or two ;-)

but seriously, if you don't understand how an artist could be pissed at their heartfelt work being used to promote the enemy, I don't know what to tell you except maybe talk to artists and actually understand what they go through for their work?

I do understand, especially now that you have laid it out for me. As a non-artist and political layperson, I have a hard time connecting to the emotional content you describe. But I appreciate it better now, and am happy to change my position. In fact, these types of conversations are why I come here. Thanks.

b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 12:56:08pm

re: #58 Gus

Here's an example:

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Deus ex machina.

SpaceJesus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:56:19pm

I loved Dropkick growing up. Good on them.

Obdicut Mon, May 14, 2012 12:56:31pm

re: #60 jamesfirecat

We'll be happy to stop correcting you as soon as you stop being wrong.

In this case, he is, but I do think most of the time politicians actually legitimately license songs to play from the copyright holders. That's been the case in some of these-- the power the artist has it to make a stink about it, not actual legal power to stop them from duly licensing it.

I'm not an expert, but I seem to recall it shaking out that way on some other uses.

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:56:43pm

re: #77 Cathartic Expression

Deus ex machina.

Works on Family Guy.

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:57:01pm

Wait!

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 12:57:25pm

Musak

Lidane Mon, May 14, 2012 12:57:32pm

Sorry to go OT, but this happened:

RNC Chairman Responds To JPMorgan’s Massive Loss By Saying ‘We Need Less’ Financial Regulation

Is this kind of terminal stupid just endemic on the right? WTF.

wrenchwench Mon, May 14, 2012 12:57:56pm

Youtube Video

Don't be fooled by the Republican, don't pity the Democratic, vote John Lee Hooker and everything gone be mellow, knocked out, copastatic.

Obdicut Mon, May 14, 2012 12:58:36pm

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

even if Petty's management does send Bachmann a cease and desist letter, the law may be on the her side if the songwriter licensed the performance rights to "American Girl" with the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers or Broadcast Music Inc. (According to a 2008 report on the subject, "the vast majority" of artists do.)

"Buying an ASCAP or BMI license allows a venue (or a campaign, if it purchases a traveling blanket license) to play any of about 8 million songs during their events. Though it might be a nice courtesy, the licensees are not obligated to call the artist to discuss," writes Politico's Suz Redfearn.

Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 12:59:20pm

I haven't listened to Paul Williams in a while.

Youtube Video

shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 12:59:51pm

re: #85 Obdicut

Thanks. All I do is keep on learning - I never bothered with copyright law when i went to law school.

freetoken Mon, May 14, 2012 12:59:58pm

re: #68 Gus

Is Paul Williams a Republican?

//

Ironically, Williams is President of ASCAP:
[Link: www.ascap.com...]

and thus would be an authority on the use of other's music.

Simply Sarah Mon, May 14, 2012 1:00:05pm

re: #79 Obdicut

In this case, he is, but I do think most of the time politicians actually legitimately license songs to play from the copyright holders. That's been the case in some of these-- the power the artist has it to make a stink about it, not actual legal power to stop them from duly licensing it.

I'm not an expert, but I seem to recall it shaking out that way on some other uses.

Yes, I believe that's correct. While there are cases of campaigns actually using songs they haven't secured a license for, most of the time they stop using it because, as you say, the artist(s) hammers them for it publicly and it's just doesn't make sense to continue to use it. Although there may be some cases were the artist has the ability to void the license after the fact/for the future, but that would really depend on how it's all set up.

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:00:41pm

re: #86 Kragar

I haven't listened to Paul Williams in a while.

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Mmmhmmm. I'm in my bell bottoms getting into my AMC Hornet.

Decatur Deb Mon, May 14, 2012 1:01:02pm

TP/GOP should just stick to 'Dixie'. It's in the public domain.

Eventual Carrion Mon, May 14, 2012 1:01:30pm

re: #46 Ascher

I am generally happy to be educated; I make no claim to know everything. Tempers generally on lgf seem to be pretty short, these days.

You think our tempers are short. Go download some copyrighted music and see how RIAA's tempers are.

Patricia Kayden Mon, May 14, 2012 1:01:35pm

Country music is still pretty GOP-friendly, no? I would think they could use pretty much any country song, except those by the Dixie Chicks.

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:01:52pm

re: #86 Kragar

I haven't listened to Paul Williams in a while.

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iossarian Mon, May 14, 2012 1:02:06pm

re: #91 Decatur Deb

TP/GOP should just stick to 'Dixie'. It's in the public domain.

They could also play "Your Racist Friend" by The Specials, but they might be surprised to discover that racism is actually portrayed negatively in that particular song.

b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:02:40pm

re: #90 Gus

Mmmhmmm. I'm in my bell bottoms getting into my AMC Hornet.

//

Bell bottoms are coming back.

I hope most AMC models do not.

Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:02:47pm

re: #90 Gus

Mmmhmmm. I'm in my bell bottoms getting into my AMC Hornet.

//

Paul Williams on the Tonight Show, 1973

Youtube Video

Decatur Deb Mon, May 14, 2012 1:02:54pm

re: #93 Patricia Kayden

Country music is still pretty GOP-friendly, no? I would think they could use pretty much any country song, except those by the Dixie Chicks.

Willie begs to disagree.

Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:04:12pm

re: #97 Kragar

Paul Williams on the Tonight Show, 1973

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Seen Pia Zadora lateley?

100

sagehen Mon, May 14, 2012 1:04:15pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Willie begs to disagree.

As does Johnny Cash.

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Simply Sarah Mon, May 14, 2012 1:04:15pm

re: #83 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but this happened:

RNC Chairman Responds To JPMorgan’s Massive Loss By Saying ‘We Need Less’ Financial Regulation

Is this kind of terminal stupid just endemic on the right? WTF.

Let's try extending that to some other situations:
"Well, we couldn't save that house from burning down. Clearly the solution is to close the firehouse."
"I'm not strong enough to do my construction job. I should work out less."
"We still have car accidents, so we should just scrap any safety requirements for vehicles."

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:05:12pm

re: #97 Kragar

Paul Williams on the Tonight Show, 1973

[Embedded content]

That's pretty cool though. ;)

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 1:05:17pm

re: #92 RayFerd

I download copyrighted music all the time. I pay for it, and thereby acquire certain rights to it. I play it at parties; generally there are lot of gay people at these parties. If the artist objects to my audience, or to me, what's the situation in your opinion?

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iossarian Mon, May 14, 2012 1:05:58pm

re: #93 Patricia Kayden

Country music is still pretty GOP-friendly, no? I would think they could use pretty much any country song, except those by the Dixie Chicks.

Gah. Country Rock. Avoid.

I don't know much about politics,
Don't know the difference between Iraq and Iran*,
But I've got my pickup truck.
I remember when it was just me and my daddy,
Fishin' in the creek.
Why are things so bad nowadays?
Must be all them foreign folk.
Don't even speak English.
Whoah-oah-oah America!!!

* Actual Country Rock lyric.

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Decatur Deb Mon, May 14, 2012 1:06:43pm

re: #103 Ascher

I download copyrighted music all the time. I pay for it, and thereby acquire certain rights to it. I play it at parties; generally there are lot of gay people at these parties. If the artist objects to my audience, or to me, what's the situation in your opinion?

Your parties are better than mine. Best I can do is a church organist.

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Simply Sarah Mon, May 14, 2012 1:06:46pm

re: #103 Ascher

I download copyrighted music all the time. I pay for it, and thereby acquire certain rights to it. I play it at parties; generally there are lot of gay people at these parties. If the artist objects to my audience, or to me, what's the situation in your opinion?

Actually, if you're doing it at sizable parties they could theoretically go after you for not securing a license for performance usage.

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HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 1:07:02pm

re: #104 iossarian

Gah. Country Rock. Avoid.

* Actual Country Rock lyric.

Country Rock? Man when I think country rock, I think Gram Parsons. That's terrabad song writing right there though.

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 1:07:16pm

re: #101 Simply Sarah

Let's try extending that to some other situations:
"Well, we couldn't save that house from burning down. Clearly the solution is to close the firehouse."
"I'm not strong enough to do my construction job. I should work out less."
"We still have car accidents, so we should just scrap any safety requirements for vehicles."

The whole GOP has been rolling unstoppably downhill on this issue since the first administration of the second Bush; what choice does he have but to say: This is the right direction! We need to go faster!

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Simply Sarah Mon, May 14, 2012 1:08:03pm

re: #108 Ascher

The whole GOP has been rolling unstoppably downhill on this issue since the first administration of the second Bush; what choice does he have but to say: This is the right direction! We need to go faster!

They do not seem to grasp the gravity of the situation.

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 1:08:14pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Your parties are better than mine. Best I can do is a church organist.

My wife has some very neat friends at work. And we have some very cool neighbours.

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iossarian Mon, May 14, 2012 1:08:15pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Country Rock? Man when I think country rock, I think Gram Parsons.

That's what I think of "country rock" - the soft-rock America is wonderful why can't everyone just be white and happy bullshit. Maybe it's a bad name for it.

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:08:28pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Country Rock? Man when I think country rock, I think Gram Parsons. That's terrabad song writing right there though.

Where does Bobby Bare fit in?

Youtube Video

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 1:08:49pm

re: #109 Simply Sarah

They do not seem to grasp the gravity of the situation.

In fact - the gravity of the situation has a firm grasp on them? Nice one, Sarah!

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HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 1:09:30pm

re: #112 Kragar

Where does Bobby Bare fit in?

[Embedded content]

Can't watch, at work, no sound.

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:09:31pm

re: #99 Gus

Seen Pia Zadora lateley?

Like the rest of us, she's getting old.

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Decatur Deb Mon, May 14, 2012 1:09:39pm

re: #110 Ascher

My wife has some very neat friends at work. And we have some very cool neighbours.

Two guys on my block might be gay. They keep an awfully neat lawn.

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 1:10:12pm

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Two guys on my block might be gay. They keep an awfully neat lawn.

Are you sure that is real life, and not American Dad?

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bratwurst Mon, May 14, 2012 1:10:22pm

re: #101 Simply Sarah

Let's try extending that to some other situations:
"Well, we couldn't save that house from burning down. Clearly the solution is to close the firehouse."
"I'm not strong enough to do my construction job. I should work out less."
"We still have car accidents, so we should just scrap any safety requirements for vehicles."

"Gun registration doesn't help solve all gun crimes, we should scrap it all together."

Oh wait...a few nitwits actually DO have this point of view...I'm looking at you, Liddy.

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:11:21pm

re: #115 Cathartic Expression

Like the rest of us, she's getting old.

Was she a singer?

Youtube Video

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 1:11:38pm

Gotta run - I'll be back later to accept more abuse ;)

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Decatur Deb Mon, May 14, 2012 1:12:13pm

re: #117 Ascher

Are you sure that is real life, and not American Dad?

Baja Alabama. What is this 'real life'...?

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:12:24pm

re: #119 Gus

Was she a singer?

[Embedded content] //

She thinks so.

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HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 1:12:28pm

re: #111 iossarian

That's what I think of "country rock" - the soft-rock America is wonderful why can't everyone just be white and happy bullshit. Maybe it's a bad name for it.

Yeah it's all good, I just think of guys like Parsons when I hear the phrase.I call the above "annoying more patriot than thou country."

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Romantic Heretic Mon, May 14, 2012 1:12:51pm

I'm thinking this would be perfect for them. They're in favour of Law 'n Order for the same reason drug lords like tough drug laws. It's good for business.

Youtube Video

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Decatur Deb Mon, May 14, 2012 1:13:04pm

re: #120 Ascher

Gotta run - I'll be back later to accept more abuse ;)

We take Visa and PayPal.

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freetoken Mon, May 14, 2012 1:14:25pm

Missouri honored... him?

Rush Limbaugh honored at Missouri's Capitol

Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh has been inducted into the Hall of Famous Missourians.

Limbaugh, a native of Cape Girardeau, was honored Monday during a ceremony at the Missouri Capitol that was open to the media but not the general public.

As a member of the Hall of Famous Missourians, Limbaugh will have a bronze bust displayed in the Capitol alongside the likes of President Harry Truman, Mark Twain, Walt Disney, George Washington Carver and Stan Musial.

Republican Missouri House Speaker Steven Tilley selected Limbaugh for the honor but kept the timing of the ceremony secret until shortly before it was to start. Tilley has been trying to avoid a public spectacle for the event after Limbaugh's selection was criticized by Democrats, some women's groups and other political opponents.

Note to Missouri House Speaker Tilley: Truman, Twain, Disney, Carver - these guys didn't have to be inducted in secret because they were recognized as important and did good things (even if some are also criticized.)

Rush Limbaugh - not so good.

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Eventual Carrion Mon, May 14, 2012 1:15:12pm

re: #103 Ascher

I download copyrighted music all the time. I pay for it, and thereby acquire certain rights to it. I play it at parties; generally there are lot of gay people at these parties. If the artist objects to my audience, or to me, what's the situation in your opinion?

I said download it, I said nothing about paying for it (in fact the insinuation was that it was not paid for, pirated, taken without consent, you know kinda like the situation we have been talking about).

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HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 1:18:15pm

re: #126 freetoken

Missouri honored... him?

Rush Limbaugh honored at Missouri's Capitol

Note to Missouri House Speaker Tilley: Truman, Twain, Disney, Carver - these guys didn't have to be inducted in secret because they were recognized as important and did good things (even if some are also criticized.)

Rush Limbaugh - not so good.

One is not like the other? Really this is like honoring Father Coughlin, another arrogant ass with a microphone.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 1:19:21pm

re: #104 iossarian

The Thomas Kincade of music

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Romantic Heretic Mon, May 14, 2012 1:19:52pm

re: #83 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but this happened:

RNC Chairman Responds To JPMorgan’s Massive Loss By Saying ‘We Need Less’ Financial Regulation

Is this kind of terminal stupid just endemic on the right? WTF.

Rather like responding to a string of horrible murders by stating, "Let's just get rid of homicide laws. If there's no law it's not illegal, and we really don't object to the proper sort of people killing the wrong sort of people."

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:20:25pm

Nothing says pride in someone's accomplishments like having to hide his ceremony.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 1:20:44pm

Now, spaghetti western goth rock, very different

Youtube Video

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:20:45pm

Cripes.

Louisiana is the world's prison capital
Published: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 5:00 AM

Louisiana is the world's prison capital. The state imprisons more of its people, per head, than any of its U.S. counterparts. First among Americans means first in the world. Louisiana's incarceration rate is nearly triple Iran's, seven times China's and 10 times Germany's.

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freetoken Mon, May 14, 2012 1:20:51pm

Someone else was honored today, but not in secret:

US honors black federal law officer killed in 1883

Federal authorities have paid tribute to a man they say was the first black U.S. law enforcement official killed in the line of duty after Reconstruction.

William Henderson Foote was honored at a ceremony Monday at the headquarters of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Officials unveiled the addition of Foote's name to the ATF memorial wall as part of National Police Week.

The ATF says Foote was working as a deputy collector for the Department of Treasury's Bureau of Internal Revenue when he was shot by a white mob in Mississippi in 1883. The bureau was later folded into the ATF.

Members of Foote's family attended, as did the wife of Attorney General Eric Holder.

Dare I ask - if we held poll at any wingnut site on who was more deserving to be honored - (1) race baiting talk show ranter, or (2) first black man to be killed, while serving in the IRS - which one would get the most votes?

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Romantic Heretic Mon, May 14, 2012 1:21:01pm

re: #87 Ascher

Thanks. All I do is keep on learning - I never bothered with copyright law when i went to law school.

Ah, you're a lawyer.

That explains a lot.

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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, May 14, 2012 1:21:41pm

re: #46 Ascher

I am generally happy to be educated; I make no claim to know everything. Tempers generally on lgf seem to be pretty short, these days.

You also popped up and echoed the same theme as some of the more troll-ish LGF denizens do every time this same issue arises (political misuse of music without permission.) So you were summarily pounced upon without much delay as a result.

Getting lost trying to find the Halloween and entering the marsh while wearing a duck suit will simply draw fire. Accidents happen.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 1:21:52pm

re: #133 Gus

punk band name: Louisiana Prison Capital

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Obdicut Mon, May 14, 2012 1:22:33pm

re: #136 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

In his defense, most of these cases are not 'without permission' cases, and the two groups get confused frequently.

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freetoken Mon, May 14, 2012 1:23:26pm

Sadly I don't have a Freeper account to try that little experiment, but it would be worth doing - post that story about Foote, and then the one about Limbaugh, and see how the dogs woof.

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iossarian Mon, May 14, 2012 1:23:27pm

re: #137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

punk band name: Louisiana Prison Capital

Opening act: Me and My Ten Thousand Co-Inmates

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:23:59pm

re: #126 freetoken

Missouri honored... him?

Rush Limbaugh honored at Missouri's Capitol

Note to Missouri House Speaker Tilley: Truman, Twain, Disney, Carver - these guys didn't have to be inducted in secret because they were recognized as important and did good things (even if some are also criticized.)

Rush Limbaugh - not so good.

Quite the culture.

Honour people for their ability to make money. What happened to honouring people for their ability to make society a better place?

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Romantic Heretic Mon, May 14, 2012 1:24:24pm

re: #109 Simply Sarah

They do not seem to grasp the gravity of the situation.

Gravity is some of that there elitist science stuff. We good 'Muricans pay no attention to it.

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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, May 14, 2012 1:24:37pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Republicans do have Ted Nugent, of course. But you notice that they never use his music - because it's mostly about Ted's dick and how often he uses it. "Wango Tango" just doesn't seem appropriate for a Romney rally.

I'm surprised the Romney campaign hasn't broken out Jerry Lee Lewis'
"Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On" yet. It would be appropriate.

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freetoken Mon, May 14, 2012 1:25:27pm

re: #141 Cathartic Expression

Honour people for their ability to make money. What happened to honouring people for their ability to make society a better place?

Silly you, don't you understand? People making money, lots of money, is a "better place". The more money made, the better the place.

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:25:35pm

re: #140 iossarian

Opening act: Me and My Ten Thousand Co-Inmates

I still reserve the rights to Black Robed Shadow Cabal.

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HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 1:25:58pm

What has Limbaugh done other than give voice to millions of whiners? Oh wait.

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funky chicken Mon, May 14, 2012 1:26:11pm

re: #93 Patricia Kayden

Country music is still pretty GOP-friendly, no? I would think they could use pretty much any country song, except those by the Dixie Chicks.

Brad Paisley and his wife are Obama supporters, and Tim McGraw and his wife are democrats. They're TN democrats, which might not satisfy some NY or CA democrats, but ...

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 1:26:44pm

re: #141 Cathartic Expression

Quite the culture.

Honour people for their ability to make money. What happened to honouring people for their ability to make society a better place?

the northwest honors the right ones, dangit ^^

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:26:56pm

re: #143 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I'm surprised the Romney campaign hasn't broken out Jerry Lee Lewis'
"Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On" yet. It would be appropriate.

Youtube Video

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:27:22pm

re: #144 freetoken

Silly you, don't you understand? People making money, lots of money, is a "better place". The more money made, the better the place.

Damn straight. Ya gotta have money to make money.

Those high-end photocopiers are expensive.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 1:28:12pm

re: #145 Kragar

I still reserve the rights to Black Robed Shadow Cabal.

BEHOLD THE INVERTED CONSULATE

GATHER AT THE MOUTH OF THE CATACOMBS

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:28:13pm

re: #148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

the northwest honors the right ones, dangit ^^

Cool.

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HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 1:28:20pm

re: #145 Kragar

I still reserve the rights to Black Robed Shadow Cabal.

Illuminati Fever is mine.

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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, May 14, 2012 1:28:51pm

OT piece of trivia.

Conan The Barbarian released in theatres thirty years ago today.

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:29:02pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Illuminati Fever is mine.

You can have the fever, I'll take the money and power.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 1:29:32pm

re: #152 Cathartic Expression

Cool.

right near my art school :D Everyone always puts leis on Jimi

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:29:36pm

re: #154 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

OT piece of trivia.

Conan The Barbarian released in theatres thirty years ago today.

Is he still wandering the streets looking for his kingdom?

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Cinnabar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:29:51pm

re: #136 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

You also popped up and echoed the same theme as some of the more troll-ish LGF denizens do every time this same issue arises (political misuse of music without permission.) So you were summarily pounced upon without much delay as a result.

Getting lost trying to find the Halloween and entering the marsh while wearing a duck suit will simply draw fire. Accidents happen.

Geez, I THOUGHT that was kind of a large duck....

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brennant Mon, May 14, 2012 1:30:09pm

re: #154 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

OT piece of trivia.

Conan The Barbarian released in theatres thirty years ago today.

Are the women still lamenting?

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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, May 14, 2012 1:30:33pm

re: #158 One of the Seventeen

Geez, I THOUGHT that was kind of a large duck...

To a Feline Overlord it's simply another opportunity to bag some tasty poultry.

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:30:38pm

re: #154 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

OT piece of trivia.

Conan The Barbarian released in theatres thirty years ago today.

Imagine the world if Oliver Stone has stuck with writing Conan movies.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 1:31:07pm

re: #159 brennant

Are the women still lamenting?

my new band is called The God Damn Anvil of Crom

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:31:21pm

re: #157 Cathartic Expression

Is he still wandering the streets looking for his kingdom?

He's really into musicals now.

Youtube Video

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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, May 14, 2012 1:31:38pm

re: #159 brennant

Are the women still lamenting?

Yes. The GOP has started taken his advice to heart, while leaving him behind.

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lawhawk Mon, May 14, 2012 1:31:46pm

re: #145 Kragar

I've got dibs on the Bildberger Triumvirate (a power-trio metal group).

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 1:31:51pm

re: #161 Kragar

Imagine the world if Oliver Stone has stuck with writing Conan movies.

holy hell that would be insane :D

I'm imagining JFK's cinematography, but Conan

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:31:53pm

re: #161 Kragar

Imagine the world if Oliver Stone has stuck with writing Conan movies.

I'm still waiting for "Conan: The Octogenarian."

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sagehen Mon, May 14, 2012 1:32:32pm

re: #103 Ascher

I download copyrighted music all the time. I pay for it, and thereby acquire certain rights to it. I play it at parties; generally there are lot of gay people at these parties. If the artist objects to my audience, or to me, what's the situation in your opinion?

If you pay for the download, you've purchased rights to play the recording.

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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, May 14, 2012 1:32:33pm

re: #167 Cathartic Expression

I'm still waiting for "Conan: The Octogenarian."

Prachett already owned that story.

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Varek Raith Mon, May 14, 2012 1:32:49pm

re: #163 Kragar

He's really into musicals now.

[Embedded content]

Where do you find this crap????
Lol.

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brennant Mon, May 14, 2012 1:33:48pm

re: #170 Varek Raith

Where do you find this crap???
Lol.

Crom laughs at your four winds!

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:33:59pm

re: #170 Varek Raith

Where do you find this crap???
Lol.

One of the fringe benefits of network security is we see the firewall logs for everything.

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:34:59pm

This is cool. Was watching some of Thomas and Otis Redding this morning.

Carla Thomas - Pick Up The Pieces
1972 - Los Angeles Coliseum

Youtube Video

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:35:05pm

re: #168 sagehen

If you pay for the download, you've purchased rights to play the recording.

You have not however purchased the right to use it for commercial purposes.

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:35:10pm

re: #169 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Prachett already owned that story.

I thought that was Conan the Librarian.

Or maybe it was an Orangutan.

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:35:35pm

re: #171 brennant

Crom laughs at your four winds!

Not after I eat beans.

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HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 1:35:36pm

Free the Masons (protest folk group

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dragonath Mon, May 14, 2012 1:36:20pm

re: #164 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

"Romney the Destroyer"

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 1:36:26pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Rosicrunchians taste crispy in milk

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 1:37:31pm

re: #166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

holy hell that would be insane :D

I'm imagining JFK's cinematography, but Conan

"The wizard was struck by Subotai and fell back and to the left... back and to the left..."

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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, May 14, 2012 1:39:29pm

re: #175 Cathartic Expression

I thought that was Conan the Librarian.

Or maybe it was an Orangutan.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Note "The Silver Horde".

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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, May 14, 2012 1:41:25pm

re: #180 Kragar

"The wizard was struck by Subotai and fell back and to the left... back and to the left..."

Hmm, and how does Kevin Costner turn up? And does he survive?

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Interesting Times Mon, May 14, 2012 1:42:18pm

The #RushBust gets LOLislator'd: lolislators.tumblr.com/post/230487712... #MoLeg (via @LOLislators)
— Fired Up! Missouri (@FiredUpMissouri) May 14, 2012

Image: tumblr_m4108vF5nA1rveijfo1_400.jpg

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b_sharp Mon, May 14, 2012 1:42:34pm

re: #181 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Note "The Silver Horde".

I haven't read that one.

The wife is the Prachett nut around here.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 14, 2012 1:47:08pm

Has anyone yet posted the great "Atheists Don't Have No Songs"?

Youtube Video

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dragonath Mon, May 14, 2012 1:47:22pm

Somebody is going to find that Limbaugh bust 2000 years from now and wonder what kinds of gods we had.

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:49:14pm

re: #186 Be Zorch, Daddio

Somebody is going to find that Limbaugh bust 2000 years from now and wonder what kinds of gods we had.

Michelin Man or Newt Gingrich?

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jamesfirecat Mon, May 14, 2012 1:49:20pm

re: #186 Be Zorch, Daddio

Somebody is going to find that Limbaugh bust 2000 years from now and wonder what kinds of gods we had.

Clearly this is Blowhard an Ancient God of the Wind.

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:50:00pm

Derp.

Rand Paul Signs Fundraising Email Calling For Congress To Simply Ignore Roe v. Wade adf.ly/8WcW4 #SkyRSSNetwork
— Think Progess Feed (@ThinkProgressFD) May 14, 2012

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jamesfirecat Mon, May 14, 2012 1:51:01pm

re: #189 Gus

Derp.

[Embedded content]

I think Rand has been spending too much time worshiping at the alter of Aqua Buddha....

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 1:51:46pm

re: #136 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

You also popped up and echoed the same theme as some of the more troll-ish LGF denizens do every time this same issue arises (political misuse of music without permission.) So you were summarily pounced upon without much delay as a result.

Getting lost trying to find the Halloween and entering the marsh while wearing a duck suit will simply draw fire. Accidents happen.

I think I have been around long enough, with a voluminous track record of non-trollish posts and behaviour, to merit the benefit of the doubt. But, yeah.

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wrenchwench Mon, May 14, 2012 1:51:52pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Has anyone yet posted the great "Atheists Don't Have No Songs"?

[Embedded content]

God I love that song.

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:51:59pm

re: #190 jamesfirecat

I think Rand has been spending too much time worshiping at the alter of Aqua Buddha...

Sure seems like.

Step away from the hubbly bubbly Mr. Paul!

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 1:52:37pm

re: #189 Gus

Derp.

[Embedded content]

Please, please tell me this is from The Onion (please?)

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freetoken Mon, May 14, 2012 1:53:13pm

re: #189 Gus

that tweet's link has a requisite advert in the front.

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:53:54pm

re: #194 Ascher

Please, please tell me this is from The Onion (please?)

Nope. Here's the quote:

Working from what the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade, pro-life lawmakers can pass a Life at Conception Act and end abortion using the Constitution instead of amending it. . . . Signing the Life at Conception Act petition will help break through the opposition clinging to abortion-on-demand and get a vote on this life-saving bill to overturn Roe v. Wade.

A Life at Conception Act declares unborn children “persons” as defined by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, entitled to legal protection.

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:54:38pm

re: #195 freetoken

that tweet's link has a requisite advert in the front.

Yeah. Think Progess Feed always adds those. Makes some money for them.

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HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 1:54:40pm

Those of you who said Rand was more nuts/dangerous than Dad. Please collect your prize at the front of the store, thank you.

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Obdicut Mon, May 14, 2012 1:55:20pm

re: #189 Gus

Ah, so all those conservatives who reassured me that the GOP isn't trying to repeal Roe v. Wade were right! They're just going to ignore it.

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HappyWarrior Mon, May 14, 2012 1:56:00pm

re: #199 Obdicut

Ah, so all those conservatives who reassured me that the GOP isn't trying to repeal Roe v. Wade were right! They're just going to ignore it.

Touche, they got us!

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wrenchwench Mon, May 14, 2012 1:56:42pm

re: #199 Obdicut

Ah, so all those conservatives who reassured me that the GOP isn't trying to repeal Roe v. Wade were right! They're just going to ignore it.

Ignorance is ~~bliss~~ stupid.

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 1:56:43pm

Republicans! Gay marriage and abortion!!!!

Why can't I haz cool rock bands playing for me?

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Poiks Mon, May 14, 2012 1:57:07pm

re: #34 Kronocide

Dammit, I already had.

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dragonath Mon, May 14, 2012 1:57:20pm

re: #196 Gus

That reminds me of the woman in Indiana who tried to commit suicide while pregnant. She was charged with infanticide which means she could be put away for 40+ years.

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freetoken Mon, May 14, 2012 1:57:31pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Rand's beliefs here are an extension of his Dad's. Ron Paul has maintained, and I suspect this is where the likes of Bachmann pick up this idea, that Congress can circumvent the USSC. It's all part of the wingnut True-founding-fathers dogma, that has also precipitated the TYRANTS IN BLACK ROBES!! outrage.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 2:00:01pm

re: #202 Gus

Republicans! Gay marriage and abortion!!!

Why can't I haz cool rock bands playing for me?

Prussian Blue is available for booking

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Targetpractice Mon, May 14, 2012 2:00:50pm

re: #205 freetoken

Rand's beliefs here are an extension of his Dad's. Ron Paul has maintained, and I suspect this is where the likes of Bachmann pick up this idea, that Congress can circumvent the USSC. It's all part of the wingnut True-founding-fathers dogma, that has also precipitated the TYRANTS IN BLACK ROBES!! outrage.

It's known as the "No Such Thing As Judicial Review" argument, that says SCOTUS can't overturn laws written by Congress, only deem them constitutional or not, that it's the job of Congress to address those laws deemed unconstitutional.

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 2:03:26pm

Rand and Ron are quintessential Plato adherents. The clever and well-meaning conservative elite will do what is good for America without any silly balance of powers. Checks and balances are for queers and liberals. And baby killers.

Introducing: The Magical Imbalance Fairy.

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 2:05:08pm

AFA Host Warns Obama's Marriage Equality Endorsement 'Will Contribute to the Damnation of So Many Souls'

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 2:05:15pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

It's known as the "No Such Thing As Judicial Review" argument, that says SCOTUS can't overturn laws written by Congress, only deem them constitutional or not, that it's the job of Congress to address those laws deemed unconstitutional.

Also known as: The Constitution Says What We Say It Says

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bratwurst Mon, May 14, 2012 2:06:07pm

re: #189 Gus

Derp.

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Hey compared to Newt's "I will abolish the 9th circuit and send US Marshals after judges I disagree with", Rand seems positively moderate.

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 2:06:08pm

re: #209 Kragar

AFA Host Warns Obama's Marriage Equality Endorsement 'Will Contribute to the Damnation of So Many Souls'

No it won't!

//That'll work.

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Charles Johnson Mon, May 14, 2012 2:06:20pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Has anyone yet posted the great "Atheists Don't Have No Songs"?

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Great song. Here's an HD video from the Letterman show:

Youtube Video

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William of Orange Mon, May 14, 2012 2:07:03pm

Did I just see Ted Nugent rasing his stinking finger?

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Targetpractice Mon, May 14, 2012 2:09:50pm

re: #208 Ascher

Rand and Ron are quintessential Plato adherents. The clever and well-meaning conservative elite will do what is good for America without any silly balance of powers. Checks and balances are for queers and liberals. And baby killers.

Introducing: The Magical Imbalance Fairy.

If you listen to the Paulians, the problem lies in the fact that we have a federal government to begin with. Given a choice, they'd chuck the Constitution and return to the Articles of Confederation, where the federal government is a vestigial annoyance that the states can ignore to pursue whatever dunderheaded policies they choose.

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 2:10:55pm

Poll: Veterans Favor Obama Over Romney ‘By As Much As Seven Points’

According to a new poll by Reuters/Ipsos, “If the election were held today, Obama would win the veteran vote by as much as seven points over Romney, higher than his margin in the general population:”

Romney, along with his primary rivals Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich, had also accused Obama of “appeasement” toward U.S. enemies – a charge that drew a sharp Obama rebuttal. “Ask Osama bin Laden and the 22 out of 30 top al-Qaeda leaders who’ve been taken off the field whether I engage in appeasement,” the president shot back. He has reproached GOP candidates: “Now is not the time for bluster.”

If the election were held today, Obama would win the veteran vote by as much as seven points over Romney, higher than his margin in the general population.

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goddamnedfrank Mon, May 14, 2012 2:11:07pm

re: #24 erik_t

Fucking copyright, how does it work?

There's a fair bit of nuance to the situation:

Copyright experts say you don't have to ask an artist's permission to play a popular song at your rallies — as long as the venue where you play it has what's known as a blanket license from the performing rights organizations ASCAP and BMI. Peter DiCola, who teaches law at Northwestern, says most public venues do have those licenses. But small or unconventional venues may not, including a few that are mentioned by name in the Survivor lawsuit.

In other words, the ASCAP page you posted answered the question of why one should pay, and then equated that payment with the asking of permission. In fact, if the musical piece is licensed under ASCAP/BMI and the venue has a blanket license then the legal recourses are fairly limited. There are also stricter rules associated with advertising:

Sometimes you have to ask for permission. This is especially true if you want to use a song in a television commercial. In that case, you have to pay royalties to the songwriter and to whoever owns the sound recording, usually a record label.

In the end the situation often comes down more to public opinion than strict legal liability:

Some of these artists' claims may not have much legal merit, says Sherwin Siy, an expert on copyright law at the nonprofit Public Knowledge in Washington, D.C. "They're just throwing that out there to say, to make a statement," he says. "To say, by the way, this music they're trying to use as the soundtrack to their campaign, the musician doesn't support it."

But no matter how flimsy the legal case, Siy says it often makes more sense for a political campaign to back down anyway. "The optics of it are so bad that there's really not much point in continuing to use a piece of music when the musicians really don't want you to."

The point of all this is that when we discuss the issue in terms of the band/artist not being paid, that's not actually the case in most of these situations. If the band / artist has licensed their music and the venue or campaign has purchased blanket rights to the library for use at public events then they are being paid. The issues of brand dilution, and the artist not wanting to be associated with the candidate are separate and legally weaker.

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erik_t Mon, May 14, 2012 2:11:54pm

re: #209 Kragar

AFA Host Warns Obama's Marriage Equality Endorsement 'Will Contribute to the Damnation of So Many Souls'

Ah. The 'Lots of us them are just itchin' to go gay' argument.

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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, May 14, 2012 2:11:56pm

re: #154 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

OT piece of trivia.

Conan The Barbarian released in theatres thirty years ago today.

Crom, but that makes me feel really old. Bet Arnold does too...

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Killgore Trout Mon, May 14, 2012 2:12:10pm

It seems Mitt had a response already edited and produced.
American Dream

Youtube Video

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Targetpractice Mon, May 14, 2012 2:12:27pm

re: #216 Kragar

Poll: Veterans Favor Obama Over Romney ‘By As Much As Seven Points’

That poll's gotta be rigged, because anybody who's talked to a soldier knows that they all hate Obama's guts!

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 2:12:37pm

re: #215 Targetpractice

If you listen to the Paulians, the problem lies in the fact that we have a federal government to begin with. Given a choice, they'd chuck the Constitution and return to the Articles of Confederation, where the federal government is a vestigial annoyance that the states can ignore to pursue whatever dunderheaded policies they choose.

Of course, they would have to use the Constitution to abjure the Constitution. Kind of like the old story (taboo now) where the tiger runs around and around in circles until it melts into butter. Except the Paulians would chase their tails and melt into crap.

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Targetpractice Mon, May 14, 2012 2:13:01pm

re: #219 William Barnett-Lewis

Crom, but that makes me feel really old. Bet Arnold does too...

30 years ago, it was "I'll be back." Now, it's "Ow, my back."

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Charles Johnson Mon, May 14, 2012 2:15:36pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Interesting that Romney's claims of "hundreds of thousands of jobs created" has been downgraded to "thousands."

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 2:16:41pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

It seems Mitt had a response already edited and produced.
American Dream

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New Romney Video Touts Steel Mill That Benefited From Government Largesse

the Fort Wayne Journal Gazette reported at the time (via Nexis), that Bain was just one of eight financiers for the project — hardly the lone white knight:

Financing to build the plant is coming from the Mellon Bank in Pittsburgh, NBD Bank, Fort Wayne National Bank, Lincoln National Life Insurance Co., the Bank of Japan, the Bank of Germany and the Paris Bank. Capital and Bain Capital are also investors.

And while the video touts Romney’s “private-sector” team, the company was successful thanks, in part, to big government subsidies and grants — $37 million from the state of Indiana and DeKalb County. And as the Los Angeles Times reported in January of this year, the county even raised taxes on residents to help fund the mill:

The county promised $23.4 million in property tax abatements and tax increment finance bonds, as well as a new income tax to generate economic development funds. The latter was required by the state, which shelled out another $13.6 million in tax credits, energy grants, workforce training and funds for roads.

A new quarter-percent tax on DeKalb County residents financed infrastructure improvements such as roads and railroad exchanges that benefited Steel Dynamics.

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Achilles Tang Mon, May 14, 2012 2:17:01pm

a. “We will be unable to host your event;”
b. “The owner [of the Wyndgate] does not wish to associate with
certain individuals and philosophies;”
c. “My boss didn't realize until a few days ago who your author
was for this book signing and dinner.”

d. “The owner [of the Wyndgate] called me into his office this
morning and said that he would not host your event because morning and said that he would not host your event because
he saw Richard Dawkins on Bill O'Reilly last night and he put
two and two together.”

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freetoken Mon, May 14, 2012 2:17:04pm

The comments are starting to pour in, over at the boldy self-declared Christian WND, on Joe Kovacs latest white-victimization article MORE BLACKS ARRESTED IN MOB ATTACK ON WHITES

If you remember I was watching his May 1st article , which still has 2600 comments on it, many of them quite ugly.

The latest article keeps up the theme in the comments, e.g.:

the hangman
Why neytering blacks is a must, they breed like cockroaches, and start their hate mentality early. Nip it in the bud.. Castrate now.

As I pointed out before, WND now uses Disqus, so one can see on which other websites commenters post. No doubt the gang over at BigIdiots will claim all those comments are plants, but the data doesn't back it up.

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Killgore Trout Mon, May 14, 2012 2:17:36pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

Interesting that Romney's claims of "hundreds of thousands of jobs created" has been downgraded to "thousands."

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

It also seems public funds were used to prop up the company.
Mitt Romney no stranger to tax breaks, subsidies

Bain Capital profited from a steel company that got them, and he used them to attract business when he governed Massachusetts

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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, May 14, 2012 2:17:45pm

Given how I've been today after snarfing a free sofa yesterday that is a LOLATFOTHSIP moment.

Laughing out loud and then falling on the floor screaming in pain, that is... :eek:

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Gus Mon, May 14, 2012 2:18:03pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

It also seems public funds were used to prop up the company.
Mitt Romney no stranger to tax breaks, subsidies

Oops!

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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, May 14, 2012 2:18:27pm

For chrissakes, Republicans have lots of songs to choose from: anything by Toby Keith, just for starters...or Lee Greenwood.

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Killgore Trout Mon, May 14, 2012 2:19:01pm

re: #230 Gus

Oops!

Claims in political ads are often false or misleading? I'm shocked!
/

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Targetpractice Mon, May 14, 2012 2:19:18pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

Interesting that Romney's claims of "hundreds of thousands of jobs created" has been downgraded to "thousands."

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

You gotta love how he claims all those jobs "created," but neither he or Bain will provide the paperwork to prove so (perhaps because said paperwork would also have to include jobs lost?).

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 2:20:17pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

Interesting that Romney's claims of "hundreds of thousands of jobs created" has been downgraded to "thousands."

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

I doubt he "created" any jobs. That's a load of crap.

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Charles Johnson Mon, May 14, 2012 2:20:20pm

It's odd that Republicans never use Ted Nugent songs. Mitt Romney never walks on to "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang," for example. Why not?
— Charles Johnson (@Lizardoid) May 14, 2012

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 2:22:03pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

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Mitt Romney does not Wango ze Tango.

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Decatur Deb Mon, May 14, 2012 2:24:38pm

re: #215 Targetpractice

If you listen to the Paulians, the problem lies in the fact that we have a federal government to begin with. Given a choice, they'd chuck the Constitution and return to the Articles of Confederation, where the federal government is a vestigial annoyance that the states can ignore to pursue whatever dunderheaded policies they choose.

That's how I would want to face the Triple Alliance, Third Reich, and Soviet Union.

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Kragar Mon, May 14, 2012 2:25:53pm

Oklahoma Judge Overturns Law Arbitrarily Restricting Medication Abortions

A state judge has ruled that the Oklahoma law that severely restricts “the ways in which doctors can treat women with abortion-inducing drugs” is unconstitutional. In his ruling overturning the 2011 law, Judge Donald Worthington wrote that the law violates a woman’s right to privacy and bodily integrity. And Worthington added that the law ignores medical standards, according to RH Reality Check:

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shutdown Mon, May 14, 2012 2:26:44pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

That's how I would want to face the Triple Alliance, Third Reich, and Soviet Union.

You know, if you're constantly bring up facts and rational thought, this conversation is doomed.
/

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, May 14, 2012 2:39:16pm

re: #231 Expand Your Ground

For chrissakes, Republicans have lots of songs to choose from: anything by Toby Keith, just for starters...or Lee Greenwood.

re: #227 freetoken

The comments are starting to pour in, over at the boldy self-declared Christian WND, on Joe Kovacs latest white-victimization article MORE BLACKS ARRESTED IN MOB ATTACK ON WHITES

If you remember I was watching his May 1st article , which still has 2600 comments on it, many of them quite ugly.

The latest article keeps up the theme in the comments, e.g.:

As I pointed out before, WND now uses Disqus, so one can see on which other websites commenters post. No doubt the gang over at BigIdiots will claim all those comments are plants, but the data doesn't back it up.

HEY I'M A CONSERVATIVE AND SLAVERY WAS PRETTY RAD BUT WHAT WOULD BE EVEN MORE RAD IS FORCED MUTILATION OF BLACK PEOPLE YEE HAH

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Jimmah Mon, May 14, 2012 3:28:46pm

re: #6 Ascher

I think the outrage of artists over the use of their songs is understandable, but pointless. Democrats could quote Limbaugh, Republicans can play Neil Young walk-on music. Does anybody mistake the playing of music for a political endorsement by the band? I can't get too excited about this.

LOL this post is pure Killgore-by-numbers.

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Mich-again Mon, May 14, 2012 3:32:20pm

I'm just about positive Electric 6 would let the GOP use their song.. Gay Bar.

Youtube Video

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efuseakay Mon, May 14, 2012 3:55:57pm

Ted Nugent!

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SmithCommaJohn Mon, May 14, 2012 4:52:04pm

Might I suggest the soothing sounds of the world's smallest violin?

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Marek Bage Tue, May 15, 2012 1:57:02am

I doubt he would consent, but Bowie's "We Are The Dead" seems apt.

Cheers.

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MikeTheModerateDemocrat Tue, May 15, 2012 9:28:49am

Not to sound like a smart--s but despite his "republicany sounding" lyric, Keith is a registered democrat.

(Actually correction - he changed party affiliation to independent, but has expressed support for Obama foreign policy).

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groobiecat Tue, May 15, 2012 6:47:30pm

Okay, well, mr. congressperson, we got:

Starland Vocal Band's Afternoon Delight

Ted Nugent's Wang Dang Sweet Poontang

Anything, really, from the neo-nazi band The Skulls, White Side of the Moon

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Gus Tue, May 15, 2012 6:53:22pm

re: #247 groobiecat

Welcome to LGF. Just a note on links such as that last one. Charles likes us to use Google cache links for places such as those.

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groobiecat Wed, May 16, 2012 3:36:44am

re: #248 Gus

Hi Gus, thanks for the clarification. Is there a way to get a cached link that you haven't Googled or is a few clicks away from the original Googled link? Thanks, Gus.

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