4 | freetoken Tue, May 15, 2012 9:14:09pm |
Quiet night - looks like most folk are still downstairs.
Me - I'm reading up on some Civil War history, specifically the regiment in which one of my great-grandfathers served as a cavalry man. Dude was 18 when he signed up in 1864, was involved in one of the "massacres" in Missouri, and finally wound up in Texas during Reconstruction before the Army sent them all home.
5 | Targetpractice Tue, May 15, 2012 9:23:26pm |
Damn you, Netflix! Damn you for providing the temptation! Curse your mangy hide and the pony you rode in on!
//
6 | freetoken Tue, May 15, 2012 9:30:08pm |
That was actually a great-great-grandfather. I get lost sometimes in the "great"s. He was born in 1846, in Ohio I believe. That was certainly a different era.
7 | Dark_Falcon Tue, May 15, 2012 9:32:19pm |
re: #6 freetoken
That was actually a great-great-grandfather. I get lost sometimes in the "great"s. He was born in 1846, in Ohio I believe. That was certainly a different era.
I had an ancentor from Ohio who fought in the Civil War as well. He was a foot soldier, though, and he fought at Franklin in 1864.
8 | freetoken Tue, May 15, 2012 9:39:21pm |
re: #7 Dark_Falcon
That g2-grandfather of mine wasn't in Ohio by the time he turned 18.
Nevertheless, I maintain that a majority of us here are probably related more recently than the 12th generation back, and if we could trace all our ancestors back 20 generations we'd all probably find a common ancestor here or there.
9 | Daniel Ballard Tue, May 15, 2012 10:02:47pm |
re: #8 freetoken
That g2-grandfather of mine wasn't in Ohio by the time he turned 18.
Nevertheless, I maintain that a majority of us here are probably related more recently than the 12th generation back, and if we could trace all our ancestors back 20 generations we'd all probably find a common ancestor here or there.
Oh yes. With some gaps my family seems to go back to the colony ship Mary and John. I'm sure my surname at least is well threaded through.
10 | Gus Tue, May 15, 2012 10:04:36pm |
Poor ol' Brooks Bayne can't feel the love:
Brooksy too far gone even for RW bloggers: twitchy.com/2012/05/15/ada... Of course, some clowns still "appreciate his fight:" littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40070_...— STL Activist Hub (@stlactivisthub) May 16, 2012
11 | Lidane Tue, May 15, 2012 10:05:47pm |
In Upset, Deb Fischer Wins Nebraska GOP Senate Nomination
Nebraska state Sen. Deb Fischer has won the Republican nomination for Senate in a huge last-minute upset.
Fischer will face former Democratic Sen. Bob Kerrey in the race to replace retiring Sen. Ben Nelson (D).
In the GOP race, a statewide establishment favorite, state Attorney General Jon Bruning, went up against an ultra-conservative insurgent, former state Attorney General Don Stenberg, who was supported by the Club For Growth and Sen. Jim DeMint. In the end, Bruning and Stenberg fought so hard that they both lost.
With 91 percent of precincts reporting, Fischer has 41 percent, Bruning 36 percent, and Stenberg 19 percent, according to the Associated Press.
12 | Kragar Tue, May 15, 2012 10:08:29pm |
re: #10 Gus
Poor ol' Brooks Bayne can't feel the love:
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Whats Brooks Bayne's favorite song?
13 | HappyWarrior Tue, May 15, 2012 10:08:32pm |
14 | Lidane Tue, May 15, 2012 10:15:41pm |
re: #13 HappyWarrior
Wonder if that makes it any easier for Kerrey to win.
No idea. I don't know Nebraska politics at all.
15 | HappyWarrior Tue, May 15, 2012 10:17:23pm |
re: #14 Lidane
No idea. I don't know Nebraska politics at all.
Could be interesting. Seeing a lot of Republican establishment favorites being knocked off in primaries.
16 | HappyWarrior Tue, May 15, 2012 10:20:03pm |
[Link: m.yahoo.com...]
OT but this is the exact kind of crap that prevents me from taking the Republicans seriously or the people who say they're only opposed to the "marriage" part of gay marriage. There's a lot of ingrained homophobia in the Republican Party. And this guy Marshall isn't just some nut, he's some nut that nearly knocked off a former governor and RNC chair to become the party's nominee for Senator in 2008.
17 | Targetpractice Tue, May 15, 2012 10:41:46pm |
re: #15 HappyWarrior
Could be interesting. Seeing a lot of Republican establishment favorites being knocked off in primaries.
In this case, the race was "Who can be the looniest loon amongst the pack?" According to Charlie Pierce today, the thing that ended up putting Fischer over the top was a last-minute endorsement from Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods.
18 | HappyWarrior Tue, May 15, 2012 10:48:30pm |
re: #17 Targetpractice
In this case, the race was "Who can be the looniest loon amongst the pack?" According to Charlie Pierce today, the thing that ended up putting Fischer over the top was a last-minute endorsement from Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods.
Oh that kind of contest, makes sense.
19 | Kragar Tue, May 15, 2012 11:09:09pm |
Pentagon limits F-22 fighter flights
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Tuesday ordered the Air Force to take new steps to address an undiagnosed safety problem with its F-22 fighter jet, including limiting the distances it can fly between landing zones.
The new restriction does not affect the war effort in Afghanistan because no F-22s are deployed there. The fighter has never flown in combat with the only F-22s operating overseas in the United Arab Emirates, where they recently arrived for training missions.
The limit on flight distances, however, means the routine mission of patrolling U.S. airspace in Alaska will be done by other aircraft, officials said.
The Panetta order is an unusual intervention at the highest level of the Pentagon in a service-specific problem, and it may be seen by some -- including critics of the F-22 program on Capitol Hill -- as a sign of the program's political vulnerability.
21 | Targetpractice Tue, May 15, 2012 11:12:02pm |
re: #19 Kragar
$150 million apiece and stuck in their hangers until further notice.
If ever you needed a posterchild of the Pentagon's need for budget cuts, there it is.
22 | Kragar Tue, May 15, 2012 11:15:16pm |
re: #21 Targetpractice
$150 million apiece and stuck in their hangers until further notice.
If ever you needed a posterchild of the Pentagon's need for budget cuts, there it is.
Don't forget all the money that went into the design process
23 | Gus Tue, May 15, 2012 11:17:06pm |
re: #21 Targetpractice
$150 million apiece and stuck in their hangers until further notice.
If ever you needed a posterchild of the Pentagon's need for budget cuts, there it is.
Combat aircraft should be able to withstand a combat environ... Let me get back with you on this one. We used to call it a boondoggle. I see it as a combat watch; maybe some sand got into it.
Also: F-22 production and development, including currently approved upgrades, totals $74 billion, resulting in a unit cost of $377 million.
24 | Kragar Tue, May 15, 2012 11:19:24pm |
re: #23 Gus
Combat aircraft should be able to withstand a combat environ... Let me get back with you on this one. We used to call it a boondoggle. I see it as combat watch; maybe some sand got into it.
Also: F-22 production and development, including currently approved upgrades, totals $74 billion, resulting in a unit cost of $377 million.
Nothing says patriotism like investing billions in a weapon that kills its operator.
25 | Cheechako Tue, May 15, 2012 11:19:34pm |
re: #21 Targetpractice
$150 million apiece and stuck in their hangers until further notice.
If ever you needed a posterchild of the Pentagon's need for budget cuts, there it is.
The same thing will probably happen to the F-35. Too damn expensive to risk flying in combat.
26 | Gus Tue, May 15, 2012 11:19:42pm |
Long story short. We got carried away with the F-22 and the F-35.
27 | Targetpractice Tue, May 15, 2012 11:21:08pm |
re: #22 Kragar
Don't forget all the money that went into the design process
The one that kept on even after the Iron Curtain fell and the need for such aircraft evaporated virtually overnight. Just like the F-35, the Seawolf class, the Comanche attack helicopter, the Crusader self-propelled howitzer, the XM29 rifle. The Cold War ended but the weapons race continued without a moment's rest.
28 | Gus Tue, May 15, 2012 11:23:31pm |
re: #24 Kragar
Nothing says patriotism like investing billions in a weapon that kills its operator.
Some general probably fell in love with it. He got his hours no doubt. Basically you pass out and then auger in. How difficult could an oxygen system be? Well, considering we're talking LM they probably designed it to be, difficult.
29 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, May 15, 2012 11:23:34pm |
re: #27 Targetpractice
The one that kept on even after the Iron Curtain fell and the need for such aircraft evaporated virtually overnight. Just like the F-35, the Seawolf class, the Comanche attack helicopter, the Crusader self-propelled howitzer, the XM29 rifle. The Cold War ended but the weapons race continued without a moment's rest.
Why do we still even have NATO now that the Warsaw Pact has long since been disbanded?
30 | Gus Tue, May 15, 2012 11:25:56pm |
Heh. Maybe the F-23 would have been the better choice. I would have been willing to bet post facto.
31 | Targetpractice Tue, May 15, 2012 11:27:25pm |
re: #29 Expand Your Ground
Why do we still even have NATO now that the Warsaw Pact has long since been disbanded?
The method to the madness, best I can figure it, is that a unified military command means more cooperation, which itself means closer relations between nations.
32 | Kragar Tue, May 15, 2012 11:28:58pm |
re: #29 Expand Your Ground
Why do we still even have NATO now that the Warsaw Pact has long since been disbanded?
Its a mutual defense pact, it never specified that it was just against the Warsaw Pact.
33 | Cheechako Tue, May 15, 2012 11:29:09pm |
Back in November a F-22 crashed and killed the pilot in Alaska. Never did hear what the "official" cause of the accident was. But now, I have a fairly good idea.
34 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, May 15, 2012 11:30:23pm |
re: #31 Targetpractice
The method to the madness, best I can figure it, is that a unified military command means more cooperation, which itself means closer relations between nations.
Makes sense if the nations involved have a single common goal (fighting the spread of Communism) and a single enemy (i.e. the Warsaw Pact).
But what are they up against now?
35 | Kragar Tue, May 15, 2012 11:34:07pm |
re: #34 Expand Your Ground
Makes sense if the nations involved have a single common goal (fighting the spread of Communism) and a single enemy (i.e. the Warsaw Pact).
But what are they up against now?
Terrorist groups, Iran, Syria, potentially Pakistan or China.
36 | Gus Tue, May 15, 2012 11:38:20pm |
re: #35 Kragar
Terrorist groups, Iran, Syria, potentially Pakistan or China.
I have just the jet for that.
37 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, May 15, 2012 11:44:18pm |
38 | Gus Tue, May 15, 2012 11:45:42pm |
re: #37 Expand Your Ground
stop droning on about it...
Didn't know I was going to catch hell fire for that.
[Runs away skipping.]
39 | Sol Berdinowitz Tue, May 15, 2012 11:47:21pm |
re: #38 Gus
Didn't know I was going to catch hell fire for that.
[Runs away skipping.]
that was a patchy response, you schnook...
(skips awas double-time)
40 | Lidane Wed, May 16, 2012 12:06:09am |
re: #21 Targetpractice
$150 million apiece and stuck in their hangers until further notice.
Fiscal responsibility, y'all!
If ever you needed a posterchild of the Pentagon's need for budget cuts, there it is.
If we cut the Pentagon budget, we'll be defenseless and wide open to attack.
Why do you hate America?
/2012 GOP
41 | Kragar Wed, May 16, 2012 12:12:30am |
re: #40 Lidane
/2012 GOP
Because when you've been fighting fricking nomads in the middle of barren wastelands for a decade, you really need to make sure you have an air superiority stealth fighter to deal with them.
43 | freetoken Wed, May 16, 2012 12:20:38am |
Modern war fighting equipment can be extremely complex, from a system science view. Really, modern purchases are systems of systems with unintended interactions. Nearly all large craft, planes or ships, become inordinately expensive as too large a set of requirements are pile on.
The only way to control complexity is to require simpler systems. Yet operationally the strategic folk want super-machines to fight projected high-tech wars.
The expense won't go down over time as the horizons will always recede to the next level of complexity.
The only real answer is to change the strategy.
And that means changing the role of the US in our engagement in the world.
And that is a hard thing to sell to the US public.
46 | Kragar Wed, May 16, 2012 12:30:52am |
49 | ProGunLiberal Wed, May 16, 2012 1:10:49am |
This makes me all sorts of sad:
According to the 2010 German domestic intelligence service annual report, Salafism is the fastest growing Islamic movement in the world
And that is why I don't think there is a peaceful solution to this. The only solution, considering this stuff, is a modern version of the Ottoman-Saudi War 200 years ago.
50 | researchok Wed, May 16, 2012 1:17:34am |
re: #49 ProGunLiberal
Unfortunately, you may be right.
Still, I'm hoping a smaller world can mitigate the nightmare scenario.
51 | freetoken Wed, May 16, 2012 1:17:49am |
We sail along to another selection from Sviridov's Hymns and Prayers, this is no. 7, whose title is translated as "We have beheld a strange birth":
54 | freetoken Wed, May 16, 2012 2:10:00am |
re: #53 researchok
Don't know what to say - it loads for me.
Charles has retrained the hamsters to know HTML5, so you might be having an issue with your browser if the hamsters are sending you HTML5 and not Flash. I get Flash served me because I use an older OSX version.
55 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 16, 2012 3:03:34am |
re: #43 freetoken
The only real answer is to change the strategy.
And that means changing the role of the US in our engagement in the world.
And that is a hard thing to sell to the US public.
As long as we are dependent on energy resources from distant, politically unstable and sometimes hostile parts of the world, we will need a large overseas military presence.
And changing our overall energy policy and strategy is a really hard thing to sell to a US Public that seems to think that it has a right to access to cheap fossil fuels.
56 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 16, 2012 3:37:39am |
re: #49 ProGunLiberal
This makes me all sorts of sad:
And that is why I don't think there is a peaceful solution to this. The only solution, considering this stuff, is a modern version of the Ottoman-Saudi War 200 years ago.
Salafistfighting?
57 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, May 16, 2012 5:04:17am |
Morning Lizardim from the cool and clear wild north country. What's new out there in the land of the odd?
58 | Flounder Wed, May 16, 2012 5:23:28am |
Authorities say a northern New York man had his friend shoot him in the leg with a rifle because he wanted to know what it feels like to be shot.
"Should have been a better shot
shot him in the head"
Butt Hole Surfers (I think)
Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]
59 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 16, 2012 5:29:55am |
re: #58 Tommy's cone of shame
Just been reading a review of a book, "The Wimp Factor", about how there are lots of guys who cling to the outer trappings of "manhood" because they never developed the inner qualities that really make a man.
Sums up a lot of GOP policy in a nutshell.
Off to give English lessons.
60 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 5:31:22am |
re: #4 freetoken
Quiet night - looks like most folk are still downstairs.
Me - I'm reading up on some Civil War history, specifically the regiment in which one of my great-grandfathers served as a cavalry man.....
To bad he didn't stick around OH, he might have run into some of my relatives. My g-g-g-grandpa was in the KY Cav. I don't know if he was the first ancestor in the Cav but he wasn't the last. My g-father was armored cav during ww2. As a young Intel officer it was explained to me that sticking with the intel branch would seriously limit my promotions and assignment choices so I chose Armor as my secondary branch to keep it in the family.
61 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 5:32:18am |
re: #58 Tommy's cone of shame
Authorities say a northern New York man had his friend shoot him in the leg with a rifle because he wanted to know what it feels like to be shot.
"Should have been a better shot
shot him in the head"
Butt Hole Surfers (I think)Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Pepper
62 | dragonfire1981 Wed, May 16, 2012 5:46:26am |
re: #61 RogueOne
Pepper
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Beat me to it. For the longest time I couldn't stand that song but eventually it grew on me.
63 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:52am |
I still contend this trial is a sham and a waste of money and time...
John Edwards defense: Justice Department flip-flopped
[Link: www.politico.com...]
In a court filing late Tuesday, Edwards's defense team submitted a letter the head of the Justice Department's Election Crimes Branch wrote in 2009 stating that Justice only prosecutes federal campaign finance violations in cases that clearly run afoul of standards established by the Federal Election Commission.
"For such a criminal violation to occur, the application of the law to the facts of a matter must at the very least be clear, and there must be no doubt that the [Federal Election] Commission considers that the underlying conduct presents a [Federal Election Campaign Act] offense," Craig Donsanto wrote to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington in a January 16, 2009 letter.
....
Edwards is asking the judge to admit an audio recording of the FEC meeting where the audit was closed. Defense lawyers say the recording shows:Commissioner [Donald] McGahn stated that 'it's odd for me to say that the transaction is a campaign transaction' and also stated 'I'm not sure that [the monies paid by Mellon and Baron are] a reportable--actually I can say [the monies paid by Mellon and Baron are] not a report--in my view [the monies paid by Mellon and Baron are] not reportable.' No member of the Commission objected to Commissioner McGahn's assessment, and the Commission voted to adopt the Audit Division's recommendation to close the record unanimously.
Numerous experts in campaign finance law, including at least two former FEC commissioners, have opined that they do not consider the money wealthy donors paid to help cover-up Edwards's extramarital affair to be campaign contributions that need to be reported under the law. One of those commissioners, Scott Thomas, was on the witness stand at Edwards's trial Tuesday morning. However, U.S. District Court Judge Catherine Eagles would not allow Thomas to tell jurors his view on how the law applied to what Edwards's allegedly did in 2007 and 2008. Eagles has said the jury should decide, without guidance from experts, what the purpose of the gifts were.
64 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 5:56:52am |
65 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, May 16, 2012 5:57:53am |
re: #60 RogueOne
To bad he didn't stick around OH, he might have run into some of my relatives. My g-g-g-grandpa was in the KY Cav. I don't know if he was the first ancestor in the Cav but he wasn't the last. My g-father was armored cav during ww2. As a young Intel officer it was explained to me that sticking with the intel branch would seriously limit my promotions and assignment choices so I chose Armor as my secondary branch to keep it in the family.
Armor, then Infantry & finally ended up in Intel. Fun, travel & adventure ;) Ft Knox in winter & Ft Benning in high summer; at least Ft Huachuca was pleasant.
66 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 6:00:30am |
re: #65 William Barnett-Lewis
HA! What years are we talking about? I loved Huachuca so much I'm planning on moving when I retire.
67 | Interesting Times Wed, May 16, 2012 6:07:07am |
Your "Science: It works, bitches!" video of the day - Teeny-tiny domino that needs to be picked up with tweezers eventually knocks down one that weighs over 100 pounds:
Metaphor possibilities = endless :)
69 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 6:08:55am |
70 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:10:39am |
71 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 6:13:44am |
I did not realize "excessively white" was considered a color....
Fordham piece called Warren Harvard Law's 'first woman of color'
[Link: www.politico.com...]
The mention was in the middle of a lengthy and heavily-annotated Fordham piece on diversity and affirmative action and women. The title of the piece, by Laura Padilla, was "Intersectionality and positionality: Situating women of color in the affirmative action dialogue."
"There are few women of color who hold important positions in the academy, Fortune 500 companies, or other prominent fields or industries," the piece says. "This is not inconsequential. Diversifying these arenas, in part by adding qualified women of color to their ranks, remains important for many reaons. For one, there are scant women of color as role models. In my three years at Stanford Law School, there were no professors who were women of color. Harvard Law School hired its first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995."
72 | watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, May 16, 2012 6:21:28am |
Monty python just never gets old...
73 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 6:22:43am |
I saw they released the doc notes from the Zimmerman visit yesterday but I didn't notice this portion..:
Records detail George Zimmerman's medical injuries
[Link: www.wftv.com...]
According to an autopsy report, the only other injury Martin had aside from the fatal gunshot wound was broken skin on his knuckles.
74 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 6:27:20am |
This guy needs a raise, he obviously takes his job veeerrry seriously..:
Zookeeper reportedly licks baby monkey's anus for over an hour
[Link: boingboing.net...]
A rather implausible report in Chinasmack (translated from the Chinese journal 163) says that a zookeeper saved a rare, born-in-captivity baby Francois Leaf Monkey from surgery by licking its anus until it passed the whole peanut it ate after a thoughtless patron tossed it to him. Reportedly, the anus-licking proceeded for over an hour.
75 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:28:03am |
re: #74 RogueOne
This guy needs a raise, he obviously takes his job veeerrry seriously..:
Zookeeper reportedly licks baby monkey's anus for over an hour
[Link: boingboing.net...]
it wouldn't have passed otherwise?
76 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:29:24am |
The Mexican author Carlos Fuentes has died, aged 83.
Fuentes was one of the most prolific Latin American writers known equally for his fiction and his essays on politics and culture.
His most famous works were The Death of Artemio Cruz and The Old Gringo.
He was associated with the Latin American Boom - a literary movement made up of mainly young authors whose politically critical works broke with established traditions.
:( awesome writer!
77 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 6:29:37am |
re: #75 ggt
Dunno. Maybe they don't have access to laxatives...
78 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:32:05am |
And the world get's stranger and stranger:
Italian university switches to English
By Sean Coughlan
BBC News education correspondent
From opera at La Scala to football at the San Siro stadium, from the catwalks of fashion week to the soaring architecture of the cathedral, Milan is crowded with Italian icons.Which makes it even more of a cultural earthquake that one of Italy's leading universities - the Politecnico di Milano - is going to switch to the English language.
The university has announced that from 2014 most of its degree courses - including all its graduate courses - will be taught and assessed entirely in English rather than Italian.The waters of globalisation are rising around higher education - and the university believes that if it remains Italian-speaking it risks isolation and will be unable to compete as an international institution.
"We strongly believe our classes should be international classes - and the only way to have international classes is to use the English language," says the university's rector, Giovanni Azzone.
79 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:32:30am |
re: #77 RogueOne
Dunno. Maybe they don't have access to laxatives...
was wondering --
I give my dogs pumpkin pie filling or a bananna --works rather well.
80 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 6:32:36am |
re: #74 RogueOne
This guy needs a raise, he obviously takes his job veeerrry seriously.
Not really
It actually was the reason he took the job in the 1st place! Where else can you do that and everyone just say "Oh ,, thats just part of Georges job description"
81 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 6:34:13am |
re: #79 ggt
was wondering --
I give my dogs pumpkin pie filling or a bananna --works rather well.
My male LOVES banana. He'd rather have banana than a dog biscuit.
82 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:36:53am |
T-rex to T-rays?
Milestone for wi-fi with 'T-rays'
Researchers in Japan have smashed the record for wireless data transmission in the terahertz band, an uncharted part of the electro-magnetic spectrum.
The data rate is 20 times higher than the best commonly used wi-fi standard.
As consumers become ever more hungry for high data rates, standard lower-frequency bands have become crowded.
The research, published in Electronics Letters, adds to the idea that this "T-ray" band could offer huge swathes of bandwidth for data transmission.
The band lies between the microwave and far-infrared regions of the spectrum, and is currently completely unregulated by telecommunications agencies.
Despite the name, the band informally makes use of frequencies from about 300 gigahertz (300GHz or about 60 times higher than the current highest wi-fi standard) to about 3THz, 10 times higher again.
83 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:37:08am |
re: #81 RogueOne
My male LOVES banana. He'd rather have banana than a dog biscuit.
Well, who wouldn't?
:0
84 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:40:15am |
This doesn't just apply to people of color, IMHO
Black Christian Voters: Get Over It
So after all this, are we willing to let what people do in their bedrooms influence what we do at the polls? Whatever issue we may have concerning homosexuality is something for us to get over. We should focus instead on the healing that our communities desperately need.
Preventing gay people from getting married is not going to keep a kid in school. It is not going to stop people from using emergency rooms as clinics. It is not going to prevent two young rivals from shooting each other over a dirty look.
President Obama, in essence, has sent this message to African Americans. We can devote our energies to what churches have been preaching about same-sex marriage, or we can focus on solutions. I think Bayard Rustin would partner with Martin Luther King on the solutions part. But that's what they would have done 50 years ago. The choice today is yours.
85 | Killgore Trout Wed, May 16, 2012 6:40:18am |
Sources: Medical report says Zimmerman had broken nose, other injuries after fight
The medical exam, which was taken a day after Zimmerman's February 26 altercation with the unarmed 17-year-old, says Zimmerman suffered a "closed fracture" of his nose, according to two sources who have detailed knowledge of the investigation.
86 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:44:13am |
Medical Records Could Yield Answers On Fracking
A proposed study of people in northern Pennsylvania could help resolve a national debate about whether the natural gas boom is making people sick.
The study would look at detailed health histories on hundreds of thousands of people who live near the Marcellus Shale, a rock formation in which energy companies have already drilled about 5,000 natural gas wells.
If the study goes forward, it would be the first large-scale, scientifically rigorous assessment of the health effects of gas production.
Secret Weapon: A Very Large Database
In recent years, there have been lots of anecdotal reports about people who say they have been harmed by the chemicals associated with gas wells and the drilling technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking.Science And The Fracking Boom: Missing Answers
Explore key components of the natural gas production process — and the questions scientists are asking.
But "there doesn't seem to be a lot of hard data to either support or refute those claims," says David Carey, associate chief research officer of the Geisinger Health System, which provides care to more than 2 million Pennsylvanians.So the Geisinger system wants to use its huge database of electronic health records to help researchers get definitive answers, Carey says.
The long-term goal is to learn whether gas operations increase the incidence of diseases such as diabetes and cancer, Carey says. But first, he says, researchers want to take a quick look at whether air pollutants associated with gas drilling are affecting people with asthma and other lung problems.
87 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 6:45:36am |
re: #85 Killgore Trout
You're twenty minutes late!
re: #73 RogueOne
[Link: www.wftv.com...]
You did it to me yesterday. I logged on, typed out a long response about the FBI investigation story yesterday and then noticed that not only did you beat me to it, you said almost the exact same thing I had just typed. It kind of hurt my feelings..
88 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 6:48:25am |
89 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 6:48:54am |
90 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 6:49:36am |
re: #89 sattv4u2
It kind of hurt my feelings..
Buck up, Sally!!
//
I'm still a little misty-eyed about it. I'm the sensitive type...
91 | Digital Display Wed, May 16, 2012 6:50:54am |
re: #90 RogueOne
I'm still a little misty-eyed about it. I'm the sensitive type...
I just missed you yesterday.. I'll be in Town for the race..Are you going this year?
92 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:51:30am |
SEIU COPE
Washington, D.C.
Service Employees International Union Committee on Political Education, is, according to the union, made up of 300,000 people who contribute on average $7 per month.
93 | Killgore Trout Wed, May 16, 2012 6:52:05am |
94 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 6:53:34am |
Monster
At Trial, Serb Gen. Mladic Taunts Survivors With Throat-Cutting Gesture
"Bosnian Serb Gen. Ratko Mladic taunted Srebrenica survivors on Wednesday at the start of his trial for genocide, running his hand across his throat in a gesture of defiance to relatives of the worst massacre in Europe since World War II," Reuters writes from The Hague.
The wire service says Mladic "made eye contact with one of the Muslim women in the audience, running a hand across his throat, in a gesture that led Presiding judge Alphons Orie to hold a brief recess and order an end to 'inappropriate interactions.' "
95 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 6:55:23am |
96 | Killgore Trout Wed, May 16, 2012 6:58:11am |
There's also this: Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles
97 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 6:58:28am |
re: #94 ggt
Monster
At Trial, Serb Gen. Mladic Taunts Survivors With Throat-Cutting Gesture
I'm just glad they caught him. Terrible just terrible what happened there.
98 | RogueOne Wed, May 16, 2012 6:59:47am |
My brother is finally on his way to help me get these appliances switched out, time to run. Enjoy the day peeps!
99 | Lidane Wed, May 16, 2012 7:06:05am |
re: #96 Killgore Trout
So the fact that Trayvon Martin fought back against someone who was stalking him means what, exactly? Is his death justified now, or something?
100 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 7:06:09am |
re: #96 Killgore Trout
I don't really understand why people are reacting like this is news. It's been the probable story from the start: Zimmerman stalked Trayvon, and either confronted him or was confronted by Trayvon, a scuffle ensued, he got some minor injuries and killed Trayvon. That's what the injury report is consistent with.
Yet, for some reason, the media and others are trumpeting it like it's some massive revelation in the case. I guess they don't have much to do now that the investigation is proceeding.
101 | Killgore Trout Wed, May 16, 2012 7:07:58am |
re: #99 Lidane
So the fact that Trayvon Martin fought back against someone who was stalking him means what, exactly? Is his death justified now, or something?
No, that means that the funeral director who claimed that there were no sign of injury to his hands was mistaken or lying. There's been a lot of misinformation and sloppy journalism in this case.
102 | Lidane Wed, May 16, 2012 7:08:35am |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
There's been a lot of misinformation and sloppy journalism in this case.
Considering there was a lot of sloppy police work from the start, that's not surprising.
103 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:09:17am |
re: #99 Lidane
Is his death justified now, or something?
Yup,, thats exactly what Kilgore meant
(except for the part where he didn't!)
104 | Killgore Trout Wed, May 16, 2012 7:09:37am |
re: #100 Obdicut
I don't really understand why people are reacting like this is news. It's been the probably story from the start: Zimmerman stalked Trayvon, and either confronted him or was confronted by Trayvon, a scuffle ensued, he got some minor injuries and killed Trayvon. That's what the injury report is consistent with.
Yet, for some reason, the media and others are trumpeting it like it's some massive revelation in the case. I guess they don't have much to do now that the investigation is proceeding.
There was a lot of speculation in the media and on the blogs about Zimmerman's injuries. I think the medical report clarifies things.
105 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:10:16am |
Well we know now that there was a scuffle. Doesn't prove who instigated it yet.
106 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:11:03am |
re: #100 Obdicut
I guess they don't have much to do now that the investigation is proceeding.
Precisely
We're going to get a daily dose of taking heads saying "This is what we know so far,,,,"
(which will be a re-hash of what we already knew)
107 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 7:12:02am |
re: #104 Killgore Trout
There was a lot of speculation in the media and on the blogs about Zimmerman's injuries. I think the medical report clarifies things.
Yeah. He had some minor injuries. As I said yesterday, I really hope we're not ready as a nation to enshrine the right to kill someone who blacks your eyes and breaks your nose.
But the vigilante mentality is strong, so it may wind up that that's what we get.
108 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:12:08am |
Media's like a kid with ADD says the former kid with ADHD.
109 | lawhawk Wed, May 16, 2012 7:13:02am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Cory Booker and Chris Christie released this video as part of the NJ Press Association Dinner.
It's worth a few laughs, and it's nice to see politicians not taking themselves too seriously:
110 | Lidane Wed, May 16, 2012 7:15:01am |
re: #107 Obdicut
Yeah. He had some minor injuries. As I said yesterday, I really hope we're not ready as a nation to enshrine the right to kill someone who blacks your eyes and breaks your nose.
But the vigilante mentality is strong, so it may wind up that that's what we get.
That's been happening on the RWNJ blogs since the case broke. The fact that Trayvon Martin might have fought back to defend himself somehow justified his getting shot and killed to those freaks. You know, because he was destined to be a gang member or a prison-bound thug in his future anyway.
111 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:17:10am |
re: #110 Lidane
That's been happening on the RWNJ blogs since the case broke. The fact that Trayvon Martin might have fought back to defend himself somehow justified his getting shot and killed to those freaks. You know, because he was destined to be a gang member or a prison-bound thug in his future anyway.
Or the fact he had some trouble in school. I mean I don't know for certain what happened yet but the fact that Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations shouldn't absolve him by default.
113 | Renaissance_Man Wed, May 16, 2012 7:18:07am |
re: #99 Lidane
So the fact that Trayvon Martin fought back against someone who was stalking him means what, exactly? Is his death justified now, or something?
Well, it means lefties are bad. Which is key.
116 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:24:31am |
117 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:27:21am |
re: #115 Lidane
*sigh*
Paul Cameron Suggests Obama is Gay and Demands Gays be Imprisoned before they Rape Kids
I imagine Obama counted on crap like this happening when he decided to come out in favor of gay marriage. Note to Paul Cameron, this is why your position is losing ground because people like you expose themselves as bigoted creeps when they say shit like this.
118 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 7:27:32am |
re: #115 Lidane
Coincidentally, when Romney backed hurriedly away from saying that gay adoption was okay, in one of his latest extremist moves, the reporter's name was Paul Cameron.
If I didn't already think that Romney was an asshole, that would have done it. Being against would-be parents adopting kids: how fucked up do you have to be to think that's a good idea?
120 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:29:08am |
re: #118 Obdicut
Coincidentally, when Romney backed hurriedly away from saying that gay adoption was okay, in one of his latest extremist moves, the reporter's name was Paul Cameron.
If I didn't already think that Romney was an asshole, that would have done it. Being against would-be parents adopting kids: how fucked up do you have to be to think that's a good idea?
Pretty fucked up and that one is personal to me since I have a gay cousin who adopted kids. The worst though for me is when people like Newt want to make the private adoption agencies that refuse to consider same sex couples for adoptive parents as being "victims."
121 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:29:51am |
122 | Interesting Times Wed, May 16, 2012 7:31:25am |
The House GOP is going to destabilize the markets and crash the recovery for another phony debt deal they won't honor. This cannot stand.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) May 16, 2012
123 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 16, 2012 7:32:49am |
Good morning lizards!
My Jeep died yesterday. I can either get a new engine for $5000 or get a new car. Decisions decisions decisions...
124 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:32:57am |
A group of clowns plans on taking part in protests in Chicago during this weekend’s NATO Summit.
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]
while some protesters might throw a bottle of urine, the clowns say they will throw a pie
Alrighty, then!
125 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 7:33:13am |
re: #123 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
My Jeep died yesterday. I can either get a new engine for $5000 or get a new car. Decisions decisions decisions...
It's a horrible thing when a Jeep dies.
How many mines on it?
126 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:33:47am |
re: #124 sattv4u2
A group of clowns plans on taking part in protests in Chicago during this weekend’s NATO Summit.
[Link: chicago.cbslocal.com...]
while some protesters might throw a bottle of urine, the clowns say they will throw a pie
Well I know not to go to Chicago now. Indiana Jones has snakes; I have clowns.
127 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 16, 2012 7:33:58am |
re: #125 ggt
It's a horrible thing when a Jeep dies.
How many mines on it?
160,000
I thought I would make it to 200,000 like the last 2 Jeeps I had.
128 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:34:04am |
re: #125 ggt
It's a horrible thing when a Jeep dies.
How many mines on it?
Mines, Mimes or Miles??
((maybe it was because of too many MIMES on it, it died!!)
129 | Killgore Trout Wed, May 16, 2012 7:34:40am |
re: #123 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
My Jeep died yesterday. I can either get a new engine for $5000 or get a new car. Decisions decisions decisions...
I've always wanted one of those old school land rovers. Those things will run forever.
131 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 16, 2012 7:36:09am |
re: #128 sattv4u2
Mines, Mimes or Miles??
((maybe it was because of too many MIMES on it, it died!!)
I haven't hit one of those yet.
132 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 7:36:16am |
re: #126 HappyWarrior
Well I know not to go to Chicago now. Indiana Jones has snakes; I have clowns.
When we said "send in the clowns" we weren't serious . . geez.
133 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:36:24am |
134 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 7:36:46am |
re: #128 sattv4u2
Mines, Mimes or Miles??
((maybe it was because of too many MIMES on it, it died!!)
depends on how much coffee I've had . . .
135 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 7:36:53am |
re: #105 HappyWarrior
Well we know now that there was a scuffle. Doesn't prove who instigated it yet.
"Hey, I'm going out for some tea. on the way back I'll get into a fight with some creepy big white dude and get killed. Anybody want some Skittles?"
136 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 16, 2012 7:37:07am |
138 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:38:20am |
139 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:39:56am |
re: #135 Decatur Deb
"Hey, I'm going out for some tea. on the way back I'll get into a fight with some creepy big white dude and get killed. Anybody want some Skittles?"
Yeah I tend to agree. Doesn't make sense that Martin would start it.
141 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:41:27am |
re: #132 ggt
When we said "send in the clowns" we weren't serious . . geez.
At least Pennywise won't be there right?
142 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 7:41:34am |
143 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:41:36am |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
I've always wanted one of those old school land rovers. Those things will run forever.
I think you can get this one at a reasonable price!
144 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 7:41:45am |
re: #139 HappyWarrior
Yeah I tend to agree. Doesn't make sense that Martin would start it.
At least someone will look at the evidence carefully. That wasn't Plan A.
145 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 7:41:54am |
146 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:42:10am |
147 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 7:42:14am |
148 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:42:20am |
re: #144 Decatur Deb
At least someone will look at the evidence carefully. That wasn't Plan A.
Yeah. I hope so. Feel so bad for the kid's family and friends.
149 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 7:42:41am |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
I've always wanted one of those old school land rovers. Those things will run forever.
Mine has been running for 39 years.
150 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 7:42:42am |
re: #146 sattv4u2
I think so
She never did tell me, so I'm not sure!
So do they wear the white and black make-up everywhere?
151 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 7:43:03am |
re: #145 ggt
Poundfoolish might be tho.
Well if that's his twin, he's either a good clown or twice as evil.
152 | Killgore Trout Wed, May 16, 2012 7:43:29am |
re: #143 sattv4u2
I think you can get this one at a reasonable price!
Just as a lark in googled to see what they cost. Even those old ones from the 70's are hugely expensive.
153 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:43:32am |
re: #149 Decatur Deb
Mine has been running for 39 years.
With todays price of gas, you probably should shut it off every now and then!
154 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:44:18am |
156 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 7:48:18am |
re: #152 Killgore Trout
Just as a lark in googled to see what they cost. Even those old ones from the 70's are hugely expensive.
This one is the exact twin of mine. Even the dents are in the same places. You can find one for 3-4 thousand. (Got mine on eBay for 3.5K.)
157 | Talking Point Detective Wed, May 16, 2012 7:48:25am |
Some particularly fine guitar playing here:
(The base-playing ain't bad either)
Jamaaladeen Tacuma & Uwe Kropinski (live in Maribor 2010)
158 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 7:49:28am |
re: #153 sattv4u2
With todays price of gas, you probably should shut it off every now and then!
Gas consumption is pretty hideous--only run it a couple hundred miles a month.
159 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:49:54am |
re: #152 Killgore Trout
Just as a lark
A Studebaker Lark?
[Link: www.google.com...]
I thought you wanted a Land Rover!!
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160 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 7:50:30am |
re: #159 sattv4u2
Just as a lark
A Studebaker Lark?
[Link: www.google.com...]
I thought you wanted a Land Rover!!
/
Where the hell is Avanti?
161 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:51:38am |
re: #156 Decatur Deb
This one is the exact twin of mine. Even the dents are in the same places. You can find one for 3-4 thousand. (Got mine on eBay for 3.5K.)
I can see John Wayne and Red Buttons stepping out of that in a scene from Hitari!!
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
163 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, May 16, 2012 7:53:46am |
re: #66 RogueOne
HA! What years are we talking about? I loved Huachuca so much I'm planning on moving when I retire.
Sorry this is so late. I spent a nice chunk of 1991 learning 96B there. Great posting, nice people & beautiful countryside. My memories make some of the news out of Arizona rather more painful than similar shennanigans over in, say, Texas where I've never been.
Gotta get back to Bisbee someday. Wonderful town.
164 | Killgore Trout Wed, May 16, 2012 7:57:54am |
re: #156 Decatur Deb
This one is the exact twin of mine. Even the dents are in the same places. You can find one for 3-4 thousand. (Got mine on eBay for 3.5K.)
That is so cool. Do you have any trouble finding parts for it?
165 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 7:59:40am |
re: #164 Killgore Trout
That is so cool. Do you have any trouble finding parts for it?
Nope
All he does is look in the rear view mirror as he drives down the street
there's a trail of parts for miles!!
167 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 8:04:40am |
168 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 8:05:21am |
re: #164 Killgore Trout
That is so cool. Do you have any trouble finding parts for it?
re: #165 sattv4u2
Nah.. the intertubes has made it easy, though I've had them mailed from as far as NZ.
Wife's mini-van loses fuel pump--3 days, $600.00.
Rover loses fuel pump-- 20 min, $29 dollars, with a rebuildable spare for the bin.
169 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 16, 2012 8:10:21am |
There is one engine for my Jeep in the country right now and I can get it if I decide to replace it.
3 year/ 100000 mile warranty
170 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 8:13:42am |
re: #169 NJDhockeyfan
There is one engine for my Jeep in the country right now and I can get it if I decide to replace it.
3 year/ 100000 mile warranty
umm,,, errrr,,,
[Link: www.google.com...]
171 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 8:13:50am |
re: #169 NJDhockeyfan
There is one engine for my Jeep in the country right now and I can get it if I decide to replace it.
3 year/ 100000 mile warranty
If everything else looks good, go for it.
These things should be like Daniel Boone's axe. (Had it in the family for generations--it's had two new heads and four new handles.)
172 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 8:14:36am |
re: #171 Decatur Deb
If everything else looks good, go for it.
These things should be like Daniel Boone's axe. (Had it in the family for generations--it's had two new heads and four new handles.)
But it still occupies the original space of Daniels axe!
173 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 8:16:11am |
174 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 8:18:19am |
re: #171 Decatur Deb
My Blackberry was a hand-me-down from my wife. It's missing the P, L, M, keys, along with 3 other keys that I have no clue what they were. The screen is cracked. The battery charger input is broken so I have to take the battery out to charge it. Sometimes it'll refuse to do anything other than type the letters "H" and "L" over and over. It's blanked out completely sometimes. Once it would randomly turn the speakerphone on, which was awesome.
But the weird/awesome/creepy part is that somehow it always fixes itself. This shouldn't really be possible. Electronic devices tend to degrade, they don't tend to self-repair.
I think it might be nanites or something. Anyway, when we finally retire it I'm framing it on the wall as Zombiephone.
175 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 8:18:59am |
re: #143 sattv4u2
I think you can get this one at a reasonable price!
Hmmm...Where might that fine vehicle be found?
176 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 16, 2012 8:19:01am |
177 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 8:21:46am |
re: #174 Obdicut
My Blackberry was a hand-me-down from my wife. It's missing the P, L, M, keys, along with 3 other keys that I have no clue what they were. The screen is cracked. The battery charger input is broken so I have to take the battery out to charge it. Sometimes it'll refuse to do anything other than type the letters "H" and "L" over and over. It's blanked out completely sometimes. Once it would randomly turn the speakerphone on, which was awesome.
But the weird/awesome/creepy part is that somehow it always fixes itself. This shouldn't really be possible. Electronic devices tend to degrade, they don't tend to self-repair.
I think it might be nanites or something. Anyway, when we finally retire it I'm framing it on the wall as Zombiephone.
Have you been posting from it?
178 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 8:22:26am |
re: #176 NJDhockeyfan
It's a new engine
You said your car has 160K on it?
For the price, I'd put a rebuilt in it. I've done that several times in my life and the rebuilt one outlasted the rest of the vehicles life cycle
As a matter of fact, i once sold the rebuilt engine once the car died. It gave the new owner another 75K + (after I had put on about 90K)
179 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 8:23:12am |
re: #177 Decatur Deb
Have you been posting from it?
No, if I had, my messages would be curiously devoid of M's, P's, and L's.
It is really old, and it takes about five minutes to load an LGF page on it. I don't think I could figure out how to post.
180 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 8:23:37am |
re: #174 Obdicut
My Blackberry was a hand-me-down from my wife. It's missing the P, L, M, keys, along with 3 other keys that I have no clue what they were. The screen is cracked. The battery charger input is broken so I have to take the battery out to charge it. Sometimes it'll refuse to do anything other than type the letters "H" and "L" over and over. It's blanked out completely sometimes. Once it would randomly turn the speakerphone on, which was awesome.
But the weird/awesome/creepy part is that somehow it always fixes itself. This shouldn't really be possible. Electronic devices tend to degrade, they don't tend to self-repair.
I think it might be nanites or something. Anyway, when we finally retire it I'm framing it on the wall as Zombiephone.
I think you've discovered the proof that is needed to prove that SkyNet is our future --you have a piece of evidence there.
I'd wrap it in gold-lined tin foil and put it in a safe deposit box. We may need it very, very soon.
/:0
181 | Stanghazi Wed, May 16, 2012 8:23:53am |
I can't watch it from work...did Romney really do ad to Hispanic voters using a sombrero wearing cartoon parrot???
182 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 16, 2012 8:25:37am |
re: #178 sattv4u2
You said your car has 160K on it?
For the price, I'd put a rebuilt in it. I've done that several times in my life and the rebuilt one outlasted the rest of the vehicles life cycle
As a matter of fact, i once sold the rebuilt engine once the car died. It gave the new owner another 75K + (after I had put on about 90K)
I'll have to see. This engine got me 160000 miles. I would hope a new one would do the same. I'm headed to the car dealership now to see if they have any SUVs I can live with to replace my Jeep.
Cheers!
183 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 8:26:00am |
re: #180 ggt
I think you've discovered the proof that is needed to prove that SkyNet is our future --you have a piece of evidence there.
I'd wrap it in gold-lined tin foil and put it in a safe deposit box. We may need it very, very soon.
/:0
I swear a freeper did a post yesterday on how to build a large Faraday cage from foil-faced construction insulation. Fur reel.
184 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 8:26:32am |
re: #183 Decatur Deb
I swear a freeper did a post yesterday on how to build a large Faraday cage from foil-faced construction insulation. Fur reel.
Well, better safe than sorry!
/:0
185 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 8:27:59am |
7re: #183 Decatur Deb
Most buildings (disregarding the lighting rods) are already largely functional faraday cages, due to the plumbing, wiring, and such. The building may cave in or catch on fire, but you're unlikely to get a jolt.
186 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 8:28:09am |
re: #182 NJDhockeyfan
I'll have to see. This engine got me 160000 miles. I would hope a new one would do the same. I'm headed to the car dealership now to see if they have any SUVs I can live with to replace my Jeep.
Cheers!
You'll want to make sure they have a defibrillator before you check the stickers.
187 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 8:28:35am |
re: #185 Obdicut
7
Most buildings (disregarding the lighting rods) are already largely functional faraday cages, due to the plumbing, wiring, and such. The building may cave in or catch on fire, but you're unlikely to get a jolt.
I was just thinking that . . .
188 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 8:29:43am |
re: #186 Decatur Deb
You'll want to make sure they have a defibrillator before you check the stickers.
I think with the newer models that comes as standard equipment!
189 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 8:29:47am |
re: #185 Obdicut
7
Most buildings (disregarding the lighting rods) are already largely functional faraday cages, due to the plumbing, wiring, and such. The building may cave in or catch on fire, but you're unlikely to get a jolt.
He was worried about "EMP from solar or human sources" OWTTE.
191 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 8:33:02am |
re: #189 Decatur Deb
He was worried about "EMP from solar or human sources" OWTTE.
Don't we all??
Me, I just walk to the other side of the street if I see someone with sparks shooting out of their head coming towards me!
192 | Lidane Wed, May 16, 2012 8:33:33am |
Crazy is as crazy does:
Batty ‘Birther’ Movie Divides Conspiracy Diehards
“Birthers” are flipping their tinfoil hats over a new film that claims President Barack Obama’s father was not a Kenyan goat herder but rather a communist journalist nearly four decades older than his mother. The problem? It undermines a bedrock of birther lore: that the president is ineligible to be commander-in-chief.
“Dreams From My Real Father,” a 97-minute film narrated by an Obama impersonator, weaves the narrative that Obama’s grandfather wasn’t a furniture salesman but an undercover CIA agent who convinced Barack Obama Sr. to marry his teenage daughter to hide the fact that she was impregnated by a 55-year-old communist named Frank Marshall Davis.
193 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 8:33:33am |
re: #189 Decatur Deb
He was worried about "EMP from solar or human sources" OWTTE.
If we're getting attacked by nukes, he's got bigger things to worry about. ;)
194 | allegro Wed, May 16, 2012 8:36:15am |
195 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 8:36:24am |
re: #192 Lidane
Crazy is as crazy does:
Everyone knows Malcolm X is Obama's real father.// Gotta love it when CT nuts fight amongst themselves though. "No our conspiracy is the truth." "No ours is!"
197 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 8:37:25am |
re: #193 Varek Raith
If we're getting attacked by nukes, he's got bigger things to worry about. ;)
Aforementioned Rover is basically EMP-hard. The most electronic thing in it is the capacitor in a RF-shielded Kettering ignition. I have a book that describes how to jury-rig one from the license plates and a dry banana leaf.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
198 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 8:37:30am |
re: #123 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
My Jeep died yesterday. I can either get a new engine for $5000 or get a new car. Decisions decisions decisions...
Sorry to hear that.
You do have a third alternative though, which may appeal as it's right out of the GOP playbook: don't spend any money on replacing or repairing your car. Just cut back on your transportation expectations instead!
199 | Interesting Times Wed, May 16, 2012 8:38:22am |
Donald Trump makes America dumber. Stop watching his fucking stupid television shows. Just stop.— Shoq Value (@Shoq) May 16, 2012
200 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 8:40:22am |
201 | allegro Wed, May 16, 2012 8:40:30am |
re: #199 Interesting Times
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I'd have to start watching first. Just... no. The guy creeps me out. Always has.
203 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 8:42:48am |
NEW OBAMA CONSPIRACY THEORY CAUSES WINGNUT VS. WINGNUT RIFT!
I’ve already blogged here about the zany new Obama conspiracy theory documentary Dreams From My Real Father which puts forth the ludicrous “theory” that President Barack Obama’s father was not a Kenyan goat herder but rather a radical journalist nearly four decades older than his mother. who was also an amateur pornographer…
204 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 8:43:08am |
You know even if his real father is Frank Davis? What does it prove? This is just like the Derrek Bell hug. More dumb and dumber bullshit from the right.
205 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 8:44:31am |
re: #204 HappyWarrior
You know even if his real father is Frank Davis? What does it prove? This is just like the Derrek Bell hug. More dumb and dumber bullshit from the right.
I won't entertain anything that comes from the mouths and hands of these deranged idiots. Nada.
206 | allegro Wed, May 16, 2012 8:46:07am |
re: #204 HappyWarrior
You know even if his real father is Frank Davis? What does it prove? This is just like the Derrek Bell hug. More dumb and dumber bullshit from the right.
And if his father was Frank Davis that means that both of his parents were born in the US and there's no issue of any Kenyan BS. Right?
207 | erik_t Wed, May 16, 2012 8:46:20am |
re: #185 Obdicut
7
Most buildings (disregarding the lighting rods) are already largely functional faraday cages, due to the plumbing, wiring, and such. The building may cave in or catch on fire, but you're unlikely to get a jolt.
A Faraday cage only excludes EM radiation with wavelengths on the order of (or larger than) the size of any gaps. This is why your microwave has a grille in the front with ~1mm size holes, which keep λ≈120mm microwave radiation inside the oven, but permit the passage of visible light (which are, after all, still electromagnetic waves).
So your house is likely to exclude extremely low frequency EM radiation on the order of hundreds or thousands of meters, but probably not anything higher frequency. Unless your exterior is stucco on chicken wire, which would probably exclude VHF. Don't buy any bunny ears.
208 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 8:46:30am |
John Boehner threatens House Republicans will start enriching uranium if Obama doesn't yield on next debt ceiling showdown.— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) May 16, 2012
209 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 8:46:36am |
re: #205 Gus
I won't entertain anything that comes from the mouths and hands of these deranged idiots. Nada.
Oh I won't either. Just saying even if it is true, it proves nothing about Obama. Really the attacks on Obama's parents are just stupid as hell especially his father for being anti colonial (Hell wouldn't anyone if they had endured colonization) or the attacks on his mother for being interested in exotic cultures.
210 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 8:47:38am |
re: #206 allegro
And if his father was Frank Davis that means that both of his parents were born in the US and there's no issue of any Kenyan BS. Right?
I think that's a point that these guys didn't think over. But remember Geller has tried to claim the fact that his folks weren't wed makes him ineligible. Grasping for straws is their forte.
211 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 16, 2012 8:48:43am |
re: #203 Gus
NEW OBAMA CONSPIRACY THEORY CAUSES WINGNUT VS. WINGNUT RIFT!
The amazing thing about these Tea Partiers, birthers and sundry "patriots" is that they are not just vociferously anti-Obama, they are vociferously anti-anyone who does not agree with their point of view, regardless of party affiliation.
They will turn on anyone, and trying to contain their outrage is like trying to herd cats.
212 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 8:48:51am |
re: #207 erik_t
A Faraday cage is only functional to wavelengths on the order of the size of any gaps. This is why your microwave has a grille in the front with ~1mm size holes, which keep λ≈120mm microwave radiation inside the oven, but permit the passage of visible light (which are, after all, still electromagnetic waves).
So your house is likely to exclude extremely low frequency EM radiation on the order of hundreds or thousands of meters, but probably not anything higher frequency. Unless your exterior is stucco on chicken wire, which would probably exclude VHF. Don't buy any bunny ears.
I've worked in cages that were essentially fine copper window-screen.
213 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 8:50:23am |
John Boehner threatens to eat a mountain of beans and then seal all fresh air venting to the Capitol if Obama doesn't yield on debt ceiling negotiations.
214 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 8:52:12am |
re: #192 Lidane
Crazy is as crazy does:
Because those Communist genes are dominant you know! Little ole' Capitalistic, Repubican genes need can't be expected to compete.
/gah
215 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 8:56:04am |
I think I figured it out --the purpose.
Rehashing the Birther conspiracy --who Obama's father really is, etc. etc.
Doesn't matter how you fold it, or garnish it, it is still only useful for one purpose.
216 | erik_t Wed, May 16, 2012 8:57:09am |
re: #212 Decatur Deb
I've worked in cages that were essentially fine copper window-screen.
Copper seems expensive. Is the conductivity of the material really so critical? I'd think they'd at least go with aluminum for all but the truly blistering high end (I dunno, radio astronomy or something).
217 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 8:57:31am |
218 | RadicalModerate Wed, May 16, 2012 8:57:58am |
re: #94 ggt
Monster
At Trial, Serb Gen. Mladic Taunts Survivors With Throat-Cutting Gesture
I notice that Pamela Geller has been strangely quiet recently in regards to this trial, especially after she was so vocal in support of Mladic's actions previously.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
219 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 8:59:30am |
re: #218 RadicalModerate
I notice that Pamela Geller has been strangely quiet recently in regards to this trial, especially after she was so vocal in support of Mladic's actions previously.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Well when her buddy Mladic is openly taunting victims, it doesn't make for good publicity to stand up for the guy. I mean we all know Pam is crazy but there's probably some method to that madness.
220 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 8:59:31am |
re: #211 Expand Your Ground
The amazing thing about these Tea Partiers, birthers and sundry "patriots" is that they are not just vociferously anti-Obama, they are vociferously anti-anyone who does not agree with their point of view, regardless of party affiliation.
They will turn on anyone, and trying to contain their outrage is like trying to herd cats.
This country has a high population of under-educated bumpkins that eat this shit up on a daily basis. They wake up in the morning with Fox News on the boob tube and end their day with Fox News on the boob tube.
221 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 9:00:15am |
re: #220 Gus
This country has a high population of under-educated bumpkins that eat this shit up on a daily basis. They wake up in the morning with Fox News on the boob tube and end their day with Fox News on the boob tube.
Heheheehehehehe
You said 'boobs'!
222 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 9:01:06am |
re: #218 RadicalModerate
I notice that Pamela Geller has been strangely quiet recently in regards to this trial, especially after she was so vocal in support of Mladic's actions previously.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
She approves of rape and forced breeding of women?
223 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 9:01:48am |
Facebook Co-founder preps for IPO by renouncing US citizenship
Let the door hit your ass on the way out, jerk.
224 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 9:02:12am |
re: #223 Varek Raith
Facebook Co-founder preps for IPO by renouncing US citizenship
Let the door hit your ass on the way out, jerk.
Tax Exile --must be nice to have the option --huh?
225 | Simply Sarah Wed, May 16, 2012 9:03:34am |
re: #210 HappyWarrior
I think that's a point that these guys didn't think over. But remember Geller has tried to claim the fact that his folks weren't wed makes him ineligible. Grasping for straws is their forte.
Ah yes, the old "Bastards aren't citizens" ploy. A worthy gambit!
/
226 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 9:04:30am |
re: #223 Varek Raith
Facebook Co-founder preps for IPO by renouncing US citizenship
Let the door hit your ass on the way out, jerk.
That whole "company" has been creepy since day one. I think people should stop using Facebook but that's just an impossible goal. They'll eventually go the way of AOL, MySpace, etc., when the next big thing takes over.
227 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 9:04:57am |
For De-Friending The U.S., Facebook's Eduardo Saverin Is An American Hero
What fucking nonsense. If money is more important to you than your country, well, fuck off.
228 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 9:05:26am |
Ah well
My son has graciously decided to get up at the crack of noon and help his dear ol' dad with some yardwork
((for which I'm sure he'll be extracting cash from me later in the day!)
230 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 9:06:27am |
re: #228 sattv4u2
Ah well
My son has graciously decided to get up at the crack of noon and help his dear ol' dad with some yardwork
((for which I'm sure he'll be extracting cash from me later in the day!)
Give the kid a break. He'll soon be facing the rigors of the Auburn football season.
231 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 9:06:52am |
re: #226 Gus
They'll eventually go the way of AOL, MySpace, etc., when the next big thing takes over.
I've been cultivating a fleet of carrier pigeons for just such a day
I'll be rich, I tell ya,,, RICH !!
BBWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
232 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 9:06:54am |
Uh oh! Now all he needs is a park bench and some alone time...
PHOTO: Obama with his hoagie at Taylor Gourmet twitter.com/HuffPostPol/st…
— HuffPost Politics (@HuffPostPol) May 16, 2012
233 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 9:07:37am |
re: #231 sattv4u2
They'll eventually go the way of AOL, MySpace, etc., when the next big thing takes over.
I've been cultivating a fleet of carrier pigeons for just such a day
I'll be rich, I tell ya,,, RICH !!
BBWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
There's an app for that.
234 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 9:09:02am |
re: #230 Decatur Deb
Give the kid a break. He'll soon be facing the rigors of the
AuburnGeorgia Tech (with some courses at Southern Polytech) football season.
He fell a tad short in scholarships and didn't want to take out large student loans, so he's opted for in-state (with the corresponding lesser tuition costs)
He'll re-apply to Auburn as a Junior, most likely
235 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 9:09:07am |
re: #232 Gus
Uh oh! Now all he needs is a park bench and some alone time...
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236 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 9:10:25am |
re: #234 sattv4u2
He fell a tad short in scholarships and didn't want to take out large student loans, so he's opted for in-state (with the corresponding lesser tuition costs)
He'll re-apply to Auburn as a Junior, most likely
Honestly, he's a lot better off. I hope he grows to like GT.
237 | erik_t Wed, May 16, 2012 9:10:34am |
238 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 9:10:59am |
re: #227 Varek Raith
For De-Friending The U.S., Facebook's Eduardo Saverin Is An American Hero
What fucking nonsense. If money is more important to you than your country, well, fuck off.
I dunno, it sounds as if he doesn't live in the US at the moment (any more?).
If he's not planning to live in the US in the future, why maintain citizenship and pay taxes here? I'm all for people paying their fair share, but if you don't live in the country and use its services I don't really mind.
239 | sagehen Wed, May 16, 2012 9:12:34am |
re: #223 Varek Raith
Facebook Co-founder preps for IPO by renouncing US citizenship
Let the door hit your ass on the way out, jerk.
Just to make him extra asshole... he's Brazilian-born, the reason he came here in the first place was on a plea for asylum because his life was at risk from Brazilian gangs that neither his father's money nor his government could protect him from.
We took him and his family in, protected them, nurtured them, let them become citizens, gave him the playing field on which his talents could thrive... and now he's kicking us in the teeth with a "ha! suckers!!"
240 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 9:12:57am |
re: #236 Decatur Deb
Honestly, he's a lot better off. I hope he grows to like GT.
It was his (close) 2nd choice to AU
241 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 9:15:06am |
re: #240 sattv4u2
It was his (close) 2nd choice to AU
By the time he's a junior he'll start thinking about the value of his degree.
242 | RadicalModerate Wed, May 16, 2012 9:15:40am |
re: #227 Varek Raith
For De-Friending The U.S., Facebook's Eduardo Saverin Is An American Hero
What fucking nonsense. If money is more important to you than your country, well, fuck off.
Wasn't Saverin born in Brazil whose family moved into the US while he was a child? Still, renouncing what amounts to a naturalized citizenship strictly for tax purposes is pretty much a serious dick move.
243 | Decatur Deb Wed, May 16, 2012 9:17:03am |
re: #242 RadicalModerate
Wasn't Saverin born in Brazil whose family moved into the US while he was a child? Still, renouncing what amounts to a naturalized citizenship strictly for tax purposes is pretty much a serious dick move.
When corporations become people, people also begin to act like corporations.
244 | sagehen Wed, May 16, 2012 9:19:03am |
re: #238 iossarian
I dunno, it sounds as if he doesn't live in the US at the moment (any more?).
If he's not planning to live in the US in the future, why maintain citizenship and pay taxes here? I'm all for people paying their fair share, but if you don't live in the country and use its services I don't really mind.
Because it's not about how much services he'd be using next week, it's about what he used up until now.
245 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 9:19:29am |
We are not returning to the days of back-room abortions, when countless women died or were maimed. The decision about abortion must remain a decision for the woman, her family and physician to make, not the government.
We are not going back to the days when women could not have full access to birth control. Incredibly, here in the year 2012, that is exactly what the Blunt Amendment, which we defeated last month in the Senate, was all about. The Blunt Amendment would have allowed any employer who provided health insurance, or any insurance company, the right to deny coverage for contraception or any other kind of procedure if the employer had a "moral" objection to it. While I am glad that we defeated this horrendous amendment, it certainly was a sad day in our country when every Republican, save one, voted for it.
We are not going back to the days of wide-scale domestic violence, even if 31 Republican men in the Senate recently voted against the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act because it expanded coverage to the gay community and Native Americans.
We are not going back to the days when it was legal for women to be paid less for doing the same work as men, even if the governor of Wisconsin recently signed a bill to repeal that state's pay-equity law
246 | Four More Tears Wed, May 16, 2012 9:20:00am |
re: #244 sagehen
Because it's not about how much services he'd be using next week, it's about what he used up until now.
My favorite scene in The Social Network is now the one where he gets dicked out of his shares.
247 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 9:22:24am |
re: #239 sagehen
Just to make him extra asshole... he's Brazilian-born, the reason he came here in the first place was on a plea for asylum because his life was at risk from Brazilian gangs that neither his father's money nor his government could protect him from.
We took him and his family in, protected them, nurtured them, let them become citizens, gave him the playing field on which his talents could thrive... and now he's kicking us in the teeth with a "ha! suckers!!"
This is what get's me. If you have enough money, know the right people are are in with the right group (corporation, church) you can truly be a global citizen.
It's the way of the future --he is just showing us the way.
Go where it is best for you --we do that from State-to-State now, don't we?
248 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 9:23:38am |
re: #244 sagehen
Because it's not about how much services he'd be using next week, it's about what he used up until now.
Based on his family's background, I'd guess they were net contributors to social services etc. while they were here (unless, of course, they were avoiding tax in the past, which would have been reprehensible - there's no evidence of that though).
I can see the disappointment that he's decided to leave, but to be honest, when the US makes its attitude towards foreigners "fuck off unless you can pay your own way", you can't be too surprised that once those foreigners have made their money, their attitude towards the US is pretty much "thanks for the opportunity, now fuck off yourself".
He'll still be paying tax wherever he ends up - just not in the US.
249 | Four More Tears Wed, May 16, 2012 9:25:30am |
re: #248 iossarian
He'll still be paying tax wherever he ends up - just not in the US.
No, he won't. They don't tax capital gains.
250 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 9:26:38am |
re: #248 iossarian
PS - sorry for the somewhat harsh language which is not directed at fellow lizards. Having had some up close and personal experience with immigration policy, I can understand why recent immigrants might be less than inclined to feel any emotional obligation to the US once the trade winds lead them elsewhere.
251 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 9:26:48am |
re: #249 Assemble!
No, he won't. They don't tax capital gains.
Except through the mechanisms of bribery and graft.
Brazil has a very corrupt government.
252 | Daniel Ballard Wed, May 16, 2012 9:26:57am |
re: #19 Kragar
What gets me is the inability to run down the problem itself. WTF? Good engineers, built by a company of literally a historic quality reputation.
253 | darthstar Wed, May 16, 2012 9:27:22am |
Sarah #Romney - a point guard who can field dress a varmint, but can't field an unscripted question from reporters. #lolgop #forward— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 16, 2012
254 | Four More Tears Wed, May 16, 2012 9:27:59am |
re: #251 Obdicut
Except through the mechanisms of bribery and graft.
Brazil has a very corrupt government.
I was talking about Singapore.
255 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 9:28:35am |
re: #249 Assemble!
No, he won't. They don't tax capital gains.
Whether they do or don't is not really relevant to my argument, but you're right - I should have said "he'll be operating under the social contract of his chosen country of residence".
256 | erik_t Wed, May 16, 2012 9:30:12am |
re: #252 Daniel Ballard
What gets me is the inability to run down the problem itself. WTF? Good engineers, built by a company of literally a historic quality reputation.
Tiny automated human-rated air-cracking plants are basically uncharted territory. Not all engineering problems can be solved in half the time with twice the workforce or twice the money.
257 | Eventual Carrion Wed, May 16, 2012 9:31:17am |
re: #75 ggt
it wouldn't have passed otherwise?
Yeah, but they both had an hour to kill so they had to do something.
258 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 9:31:57am |
re: #252 Daniel Ballard
What gets me is the inability to run down the problem itself. WTF? Good engineers, built by a company of literally a historic quality reputation.
Overcomplexity. It'll get you every time. When you have all these highly specialized systems interacting, it weakens it terribly.
A friend of mine actually founded a company to do simpler code and simpler systems for military stuff. He's having a tough time making headway against the entrenched guys and their lobbyists, but the Finns have actually gotten him to consult for them. One of his things is to take any instrumentation on the plane that doesn't need to be synched with the rest and give it it's own processor set up. He basically just looks at any current design and figuring out how much worth you get out of the complexity you've introduced vs. the amount of risk of failure you've introduced.
He says most modern US military designs are pretty horrendous from that point of view, except for the drones.
259 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 9:33:00am |
re: #258 Obdicut
Overcomplexity. It'll get you every time. When you have all these highly specialized systems interacting, it weakens it terribly.
A friend of mine actually founded a company to do simpler code and simpler systems for military stuff. He's having a tough time making headway against the entrenched guys and their lobbyists, but the Finns have actually gotten him to consult for them. One of his things is to take any instrumentation on the plane that doesn't need to be synched with the rest and give it it's own processor set up. He basically just looks at any current design and figuring out how much worth you get out of the complexity you've introduced vs. the amount of risk of failure you've introduced.
He says most modern US military designs are pretty horrendous from that point of view, except for the drones.
K.I.S.S.
260 | lawhawk Wed, May 16, 2012 9:33:08am |
re: #252 Daniel Ballard
I think some of this stems from the use of a completely new way the oxygen handling system is incorporated. However, I can't quite figure out how or why the USAF accepted the planes if they had this problem from the outset. They were trying to fix them as the problems mounted, and the USAF began retrofitting an additional oxygen handling system as backup, but that's still insufficient to fix the problem. And there's word that some mechanics are getting sick from contact with plane systems.
261 | erik_t Wed, May 16, 2012 9:33:33am |
re: #256 erik_t
Tiny automated human-rated air-cracking plants are basically uncharted territory. Not all engineering problems can be solved in half the time with twice the workforce or twice the money.
It doesn't help, of course, that the problem is allegedly not reproducible on the ground.
262 | Simply Sarah Wed, May 16, 2012 9:34:25am |
re: #260 lawhawk
I think some of this stems from the use of a completely new way the oxygen handling system is incorporated. However, I can't quite figure out how or why the USAF accepted the planes if they had this problem from the outset. They were trying to fix them as the problems mounted, and the USAF began retrofitting an additional oxygen handling system as backup, but that's still insufficient to fix the problem. And there's word that some mechanics are getting sick from contact with plane systems.
When your shiny new fighter is doing all of its damage to your mechanics and pilots, you have a problem.
263 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 9:34:36am |
re: #254 Assemble!
I was talking about Singapore.
Oh, I thought he was hying for Brazil. Singapore is very uncorrupt, actually.
They're actually making moves to make themselves less of a tax shelter, since there's really very little economic benefit to them to do so.
264 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 9:44:54am |
Heroic Colorado Ladies Lysol Students At Prom For Pretending To Do Butt-Sechs bit.ly/Ky1iLt— Wonkette (@Wonkette) May 16, 2012
265 | garhighway Wed, May 16, 2012 9:49:51am |
re: #263 Obdicut
Oh, I thought he was hying for Brazil. Singapore is very uncorrupt, actually.
They're actually making moves to make themselves less of a tax shelter, since there's really very little economic benefit to them to do so.
I flew there a couple of months ago, and on the plane's video system they ran commercials for real estate developments there that pushed hard on the tax benefits of living/working in Singapore.
266 | Simply Sarah Wed, May 16, 2012 9:52:06am |
re: #264 Gus
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He recalled that the chaperones--who were dressed in combat boots, military fatigues, and military undershirt--noted that “some of the kids were becoming disruptive and were being explicit while dancing
267 | EdDantes Wed, May 16, 2012 9:53:48am |
re: #260 lawhawk
Are there any new materials in the supply system? It seems very odd that there would be this kind of a problem with an old and very reliable system.
268 | lawhawk Wed, May 16, 2012 10:00:49am |
re: #267 EdDantes
It's a completely new type of oxygen delivery system.
The F-22 Raptor is designed to feed its pilots air by pulling oxygen from the engine combustion system and filtering out any dangerous fumes or chemicals. Known as on-board oxygen generation, which differs from previous planes' systems that used air from inside the cockpit as part of the oxygen delivery, the system is meant to allow the planes to fly through noxious or poisonous air without endangering the pilots.
But in addition to the apparent possible leaks in the system, it is also designed so that if there is a catastrophic problem with the engine, the whole system can shut down -- leaving the pilot to basically suffocate until he can bring the plane down to breathable air or manually activate the emergency oxygen system tucked into a corner of the cockpit.
That's what the Air Force said happened to Capt. Jeff Haney just before he crashed his F-22 Raptor in the Alaskan wilderness while on a training mission in November 2010. Even though the plane shut down Haney's oxygen, an Air Force investigation board found that, among other factors, Haney was to blame for the crash for being too distracted by his inability to breathe.
269 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 10:01:44am |
270 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 10:02:45am |
271 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 10:03:35am |
re: #268 lawhawk
Even dumber.
Even though the plane shut down Haney's oxygen, an Air Force investigation board found that, among other factors, Haney was to blame for the crash for being too distracted by his inability to breathe.
Yeah, it's his fault for not being able to breathe!
272 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 10:04:15am |
273 | erik_t Wed, May 16, 2012 10:04:25am |
re: #269 Varek Raith
That is dumb.
Oy.
It's a dramatic weight and volume savings over the traditional approach. Contrary to some popular opinion, systems aren't changed for shits and giggles.
274 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 10:04:56am |
re: #273 erik_t
It's a dramatic weight and volume savings over the traditional approach. Contrary to some popular opinion, systems aren't changed for shits and giggles.
It's still dumb. :P
276 | erik_t Wed, May 16, 2012 10:05:57am |
277 | EdDantes Wed, May 16, 2012 10:06:07am |
re: #271 Varek Raith
Even dumber.
Yeah, it's his fault for not being able to breathe!
That jumped out at me too. Pilot error my ass!
278 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 10:07:01am |
re: #271 Varek Raith
Even dumber.
Yeah, it's his fault for not being able to breathe!
Sounds like the Air Farce.
279 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 10:07:17am |
280 | Varek Raith Wed, May 16, 2012 10:08:58am |
281 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 10:10:13am |
All of the vendors get dibs and a chance to chow down at the trough.
282 | EdDantes Wed, May 16, 2012 10:10:50am |
re: #273 erik_t
It's a dramatic weight and volume savings over the traditional approach. Contrary to some popular opinion, systems aren't changed for shits and giggles.
I never thought they were. But in this case there appears to be unintended consequences to those savings.
283 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 10:12:59am |
re: #280 Varek Raith
Except that it wasn't a "massive" trading loss
JP Morgan lost $2 billion in a bad bet, how big a hit was that? The book value of JP Morgan assets and investments right now is about $2 trillion dollars. That’s with a “T”. So what percentage of JP Morgan’s wealth went by-bye in that bad trade? About one-tenth of one percent. JP Morgan will still make billions this year.
284 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 10:15:34am |
re: #283 sattv4u2
They made 4.111 billion last year. So, that's half their net income for a year.
285 | Four More Tears Wed, May 16, 2012 10:17:02am |
What War on Women?
Pharmacists In Kansas Can Now Deny Women Access To Birth Control
286 | Kragar Wed, May 16, 2012 10:17:47am |
Batty ‘Birther’ Movie Divides Conspiracy Diehards
“Birthers” are flipping their tinfoil hats over a new film that claims President Barack Obama’s father was not a Kenyan goat herder but rather a communist journalist nearly four decades older than his mother. The problem? It undermines a bedrock of birther lore: that the president is ineligible to be commander-in-chief.
“Dreams From My Real Father,” a 97-minute film narrated by an Obama impersonator, weaves the narrative that Obama’s grandfather wasn’t a furniture salesman but an undercover CIA agent who convinced Barack Obama Sr. to marry his teenage daughter to hide the fact that she was impregnated by a 55-year-old communist named Frank Marshall Davis.
The fake Obama narrator sets up the tale as the “the story I would have told if I were being honest with you.” Built through archival black and white footage, the film’s disclaimer states that it includes “re-creations of probable events, using reasoned logic, speculation, and approximated conversations in an attempt to provide a cohesive understanding of Obama’s history.”
Using that disclaimer, the filmmakers assert that Obama had a nose job ahead of his 2004 run for Senate, that his mother posed for naked photos when she was five weeks pregnant with him and that Bill Ayers nurtured Obama’s career.
287 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 10:17:47am |
re: #284 Obdicut
They made 4.111 billion last year. So, that's half their net income for a year.
and ???
Again, P Morgan assets and investments right now is about $2 trillion dollars.
If you have $10,000 and you lose $8,000, that’s a big deal. But if you have $10 million dollars and you lose $8,000, that’s not quite that big a deal
288 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 10:19:04am |
re: #285 Assemble!
What War on Women?
Pharmacists In Kansas Can Now Deny Women Access To Birth Control
I hate those laws. If you have a problem proscribing legal medication, you shouldn't be a pharmacist. Period.
289 | Kragar Wed, May 16, 2012 10:20:16am |
re: #285 Assemble!
What War on Women?
Pharmacists In Kansas Can Now Deny Women Access To Birth Control
"Sorry, I don't believe in high blood pressure, no pills for you!"
290 | Four More Tears Wed, May 16, 2012 10:20:32am |
re: #288 HappyWarrior
I hate those laws. If you have a problem proscribing legal medication, you shouldn't be a pharmacist. Period.
Exactly. It's funny how employers can't fire employees for refusing to sell a product that they carry. That's not the pro employer right-wing I'm used to hearing about.
291 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 10:21:03am |
re: #287 sattv4u2
and ???
And that's half their net income for the year. I have no idea why you think that's insignificant. Given that most of their equity that you're all hot and bothered about is investments, which are volatile, the ability to produce income is pretty important.
292 | Four More Tears Wed, May 16, 2012 10:21:13am |
re: #289 Kragar
"Sorry, I don't believe in high blood pressure, no pills for you!"
Viagra is still protected, though...
293 | Simply Sarah Wed, May 16, 2012 10:21:25am |
re: #271 Varek Raith
Even dumber.
Yeah, it's his fault for not being able to breathe!
Yeah, that whole "It was his fault for suffocating" thing seems really weird to me. I can only assume that the idea is that pilots should be trained well enough to not panic in such a situation and be able to react in a better manner?
294 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 10:23:21am |
re: #290 Assemble!
Exactly. It's funny how employers can't fire employees for refusing to sell a product that they carry. That's not the pro employer right-wing I'm used to hearing about.
Because it's "religious freedom" to refuse to sell a woman the morning after pill. Really DYDJ applies here: Do Your Damn Job.
295 | Kragar Wed, May 16, 2012 10:23:45am |
Legion Of Christ Priest, Rev. Thomas Williams, Admits He Fathered Child
The Legion of Christ religious order, still reeling from revelations that its late founder was a pedophile, admitted Wednesday that it knew that its most famous priest had fathered a child years ago yet didn't remove him from teaching morality to seminarians or speaking publicly about ethics.
In a statement, the Legion said it was sorry it hadn't acted "earlier and more firmly" to remove the Rev. Thomas Williams from his very public ministry as a spokesman, author and high-profile television personality. It said it took responsibility for the lapse, but didn't admit when Williams' superiors knew of the existence of his child.
Williams, an American moral theologian and former superior of the Legion's Rome general office, admitted Tuesday he had had a relationship with a woman and had fathered a child "a number of years ago." He didn't identify the woman or say whether he is supporting the child, though the Legion said the child is being cared for.
296 | erik_t Wed, May 16, 2012 10:24:20am |
re: #282 EdDantes
I never thought they were. But in this case there appears to be unintended consequences to those savings.
Oh, quite so. The system is not working as designed and must be modified or replaced by something better. But there's a pretty big difference between 'that didn't work out and we need to redesign it' and 'that's stupid'.
297 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 10:24:30am |
re: #291 Obdicut
And that's half their net income for the A year.
ftfy,.,, and again,, so !?!?! Lots of companies are down 50% (+/-) in this economy for "a" year
you're all hot and bothered about
I have no idea who you're talking about, but here, calm cool and collected
the ability to produce income is pretty important.
And by your own admission, they'll still "produce income", just not as much for THIS year. And seeing that they have about two TRILLION to fallback on, I think they'll weather the storm
298 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 10:25:09am |
re: #295 Kragar
Legion Of Christ Priest, Rev. Thomas Williams, Admits He Fathered Child
Hey look another hypocrite.
299 | Kragar Wed, May 16, 2012 10:27:43am |
301 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 10:30:11am |
re: #297 sattv4u2
And that's half their net income fortheA year.ftfy,.,, and again,, so !?!?! Lots of companies are down 50% (+/-) in this economy for "a" year
you're all hot and bothered aboutI have no idea who you're talking about, but here, calm cool and collected
the ability to produce income is pretty important.
And by your own admission, they'll still "produce income", just not as much for THIS year. And seeing that they have about two TRILLION to fallback on, I think they'll weather the storm
I take it you're cashing in on the market's irrational undervaluing of JPM then.
Stupid not to, really.
302 | lawhawk Wed, May 16, 2012 10:31:14am |
The investigation centers on whether the bank was hedging risk or seeking to profit from risky trades (and semantics is what this is all about - there's no hard and fast rule to work with here).
Obdicut, net income for 1Q 2012 was 5.383 billion ($1.31 per share).
And the lower stock price resulting from the scandal will make the company's stock repurchase program even more efficient and using the losses to offset gains elsewhere will have favorable tax implications as well.
However, with the recognition of the major losses due the "London whale", it is possible the company may have to restate earnings for the past quarter, and possibly beyond.
303 | Four More Tears Wed, May 16, 2012 10:33:11am |
re: #294 HappyWarrior
Because it's "religious freedom" to refuse to sell a woman the morning after pill. Really DYDJ applies here: Do Your Damn Job.
It's like joining the Marines and telling them that killing people is against your beliefs after the fact.
304 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 10:33:39am |
re: #303 Assemble!
It's like joining the Marines and telling them that killing people is against your beliefs after the fact.
Yeah.
305 | Romantic Heretic Wed, May 16, 2012 10:34:20am |
re: #258 Obdicut
He says most modern US military designs are pretty horrendous from that point of view, except for the drones.
That's because drones aren't part of the entrenched system. They aren't something that's central to the way it is believed wars are fought. They're kind of a 'nice but not necessary' thing to have.
So their budgets are limited and things have to work because no more money is coming in if you fail.
It's a definite case of less is more.
306 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 10:35:01am |
Don't become a bartender if you think alcohol is immoral.
307 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 10:35:20am |
re: #302 lawhawk
And the lower stock price resulting from the scandal will make the company's stock repurchase program even more efficient [...]
I've seen this argument already this morning. An honest question: presumably the opinion that the lower share price represents a "win" for JPM in terms of its share buy-back plans rests on the assumption that the price will recover, right? Or at least, aside from any liquidity constraints that might have hampered the program at the higher price?
308 | Bubblehead II Wed, May 16, 2012 10:36:00am |
Morning Lizards.
7 more airmen take F-22 fears to lawmaker
Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., said seven more airmen who work with the F-22 have come forward to report cases of hypoxia-like symptoms — a couple of them flight surgeons who provide medical treatment to aviators and ground crews.
309 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 10:36:03am |
re: #306 ggt
Don't become a bartender if you think alcohol is immoral.
or a butcher if you think eating pork is wrong.
310 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 10:36:09am |
re: #302 lawhawk
The investigation centers on whether the bank was hedging risk or seeking to profit from risky trades (and semantics is what this is all about - there's no hard and fast rule to work with here).
Obdicut, net income for 1Q 2012 was 5.383 billion ($1.31 per share).
And the lower stock price resulting from the scandal will make the company's stock repurchase program even more efficient and using the losses to offset gains elsewhere will have favorable tax implications as well.
However, with the recognition of the major losses due the "London whale", it is possible the company may have to restate earnings for the past quarter, and possibly beyond.
Who sold their stock before the announcement would be something to investigate.
311 | Interesting Times Wed, May 16, 2012 10:36:18am |
Trolls sometimes serve a purpose. I wouldn't know that @Lizardoid was an amazing jazz guitarist but for them.— ExtremeLiberal (Jim) (@ExtremeLiberal) May 16, 2012
312 | Kragar Wed, May 16, 2012 10:36:45am |
re: #303 Assemble!
It's like joining the Marines and telling them that killing people is against your beliefs after the fact.
Actually, you can enlist and list yourself as a conscientious objector. They're obligated to put you in a support role. I knew a guy like that when I was working in Comms.
313 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 10:37:04am |
re: #306 ggt
Don't become a bartender if you think alcohol is immoral.
There was a lawsuit against Harrods a few years back by a woman whose religion (Jewish? Muslim?) forbade her from carrying out her job as a taster for the food hall, IIRC.
314 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 10:38:31am |
re: #311 Interesting Times
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Sad pathetic fools. I'm sure you saw ABL's Tweets this morning.
315 | Four More Tears Wed, May 16, 2012 10:39:00am |
re: #312 Kragar
Actually, you can enlist and list yourself as a conscientious objector. They're obligated to put you in a support role. I knew a guy like that when I was working in Comms.
Ah. I thought that was only relevant if they tried to draft you. Good to know.
316 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 10:39:48am |
It's simple to me. If you think you're going to have a problem with what a job entails doing, find another one. I don't like the idea of firing a gun. I'm not going to join the police department and then sue because they made me fire a weapon. These people are using their religion as an excuse to prevent them from properly doing their jobs.
317 | Romantic Heretic Wed, May 16, 2012 10:40:53am |
re: #312 Kragar
Actually, you can enlist and list yourself as a conscientious objector. They're obligated to put you in a support role. I knew a guy like that when I was working in Comms.
All the stretcher bearers in 3rd Commando in WWII were conscientious objectors. The commanding officer was amazed at the courage they showed under fire.
318 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 10:40:54am |
re: #297 sattv4u2
And by your own admission, they'll still "produce income", just not as much for THIS year.
Yeah, as I said, that single mistake wiped out half what their net income was last year.
I get that you're very interested in arguing until you're blue in the face that this isn't a big deal. I don't think you'll find many people that agree.
If you're going to play around with numbers: Their stock price dropped by eight points, out of 44. That's more than a fifth of their worth, gone. Will it come back? Probably. Unless they make another mistake like that, and then it'll dive again. It won't ever get lower than the worth of their investments themselves, but as a company-- rather than a stock and bond portfolio-- if they can't produce income, they're not going to be trusted to produce long-term sound investments, either.
319 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 10:41:23am |
re: #301 iossarian
I take it you're cashing in on the market's irrational undervaluing of JPM then.
Stupid not to, really.
Dammit
All my investment money is tied up in freeze dried survivalist food packs
And Mayan calenders
320 | Kragar Wed, May 16, 2012 10:42:07am |
re: #317 Romantic Heretic
All the stretcher bearers in 3rd Commando in WWII were conscientious objectors. The commanding officer was amazed at the courage they showed under fire.
Desmond Doss - first conscientious objector to receive the Medal of Honor
321 | Romantic Heretic Wed, May 16, 2012 10:42:15am |
Just a minute to go off topic.
Diablo III is fun.
322 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 10:42:19am |
re: #319 sattv4u2
Dammit
All my investment money is tied up in freeze dried survivalist food packs
And Mayan calenders
Not Gold?
323 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 10:43:45am |
re: #320 Kragar
Desmond Doss - first conscientious objector to receive the Medal of Honor
It's been feminized.// Too bad he wasn't alive to tell Fischer to go fuck himself when he said that.
324 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 10:43:47am |
325 | lawhawk Wed, May 16, 2012 10:44:21am |
re: #307 iossarian
It's assumed/implied that the stock buyback would not only help support share price going forward but would add to existing shareholders' profits by limiting the pool of shares outstanding (making them more desirable because the value is less diluted).
So, as the stock price rebounds, the shareholders would profit on the increase (and the buyback reduces downside risk as well - limiting the float).
326 | Daniel Ballard Wed, May 16, 2012 10:44:24am |
327 | Romantic Heretic Wed, May 16, 2012 10:44:32am |
re: #320 Kragar
Desmond Doss - first conscientious objector to receive the Medal of Honor
Holy crap! He deserved it.
328 | lawhawk Wed, May 16, 2012 10:46:11am |
re: #310 Gus
Well, if there were insider moves, those would have to be reported.
329 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 10:46:29am |
re: #318 Obdicut
That's more than a fifth of their worth, gone.
On paper, yes. In someones pocket, not so much (as long as they hold their shares
Why?
Will it come back? Probably.
330 | Kragar Wed, May 16, 2012 10:47:14am |
GOP Budget Violates Boehner’s Debt Ceiling Demand
House Speaker John Boehner’s demand Tuesday that the next increase in the debt limit be accompanied by dollar-for-dollar “cuts and reforms” apparently comes with a caveat: It doesn’t apply to the GOP budget drafted by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI).
Get the fuck out. Seriously.
331 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 10:47:17am |
re: #323 HappyWarrior
It's been feminized.// Too bad he wasn't alive to tell Fischer to go fuck himself when he said that.
I met a conscientious objector from WWII. Ended up ferrying troops in the South Pacific as a ship's captain. Needless to say that was a hot zone.
332 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 10:48:21am |
re: #331 Gus
I met a conscientious objector from WWII. Ended up ferrying troops in the South Pacific as a ship's captain. Needless to say that was a hot zone.
Yeah I can imagine.
333 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 10:48:22am |
re: #325 lawhawk
It's assumed/implied that the stock buyback would not only help support share price going forward but would add to existing shareholders' profits by limiting the pool of shares outstanding (making them more desirable because the value is less diluted).
So, as the stock price rebounds, the shareholders would profit on the increase (and the buyback reduces downside risk as well - limiting the float).
I understand the effect that a stock buyback has on share price, but I'm saying that the fact that the stock price has dropped before the buyback only represents a "win" for JPM if there's an assumption that the current price is an undervaluation of the stock.
Otherwise, it would seem you're just paying less for something that's worth less - i.e., there's no net gain there.
334 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 10:48:43am |
re: #329 sattv4u2
That's more than a fifth of their worth, gone.
On paper, yes. In someones pocket, not so much (as long as they hold their shares
Why?Will it come back? Probably.
So all the traders are wrong right now?
335 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 10:48:56am |
re: #318 Obdicut
And BTW,,, the stock was a LOT lower 8 months ago than it is today, even after the drop this week
52 Week Low 27.8500 on 10/04/2011
Last Trade [tick] 36.0800
336 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 10:49:32am |
re: #334 iossarian
So all the traders are wrong right now?
Yup,, thats what I said
(except for the part where I didn't)
337 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 10:50:40am |
re: #336 sattv4u2
Yup,, thats what I said
(except for the part where I didn't)
If you believe that the stock price will "probably" recover, then you believe that it's currently undervalued, and that the traders are wrong.
If you think the traders aren't wrong, then you agree that the trading loss wiped about 20% off the value of the company.
338 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, May 16, 2012 10:51:47am |
339 | sattv4u2 Wed, May 16, 2012 10:53:59am |
re: #337 iossarian
If you believe that the stock price will "probably" recover, then you believe that it's currently undervalued,
Not at all. I believe it's (and others) are currently valued right around where they should be valued AT THIS TIME
Were they valued more before? Yes (better world economics)
Will they be valued more later? Yes, I believe they will when there are (wait for it) better world economics
340 | erik_t Wed, May 16, 2012 10:55:59am |
re: #330 Kragar
GOP Budget Violates Boehner’s Debt Ceiling Demand
Get the fuck out. Seriously.
Why bother to appear honest?
342 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 10:56:58am |
JPMorgan Chase hit with class-action lawsuit over $2B in trading losses
A class-action lawsuit was filed Tuesday against JPMorgan Chase on behalf of investors accusing the bank of misleading shareholders about the $2 billion in trading losses that have roiled the company this week...
343 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 10:57:21am |
re: #339 sattv4u2
If you believe that the stock price will "probably" recover, then you believe that it's currently undervalued,
Not at all. I believe it's (and others) are currently valued right around where they should be valued AT THIS TIME
Were they valued more before? Yes (better world economics)
Will they be valued more later? Yes, I believe they will when there are (wait for it) better world economics
So you agree that the trading loss wiped 20% off the value of the company then.
Before trading loss: stock price is correctly valued at X.
After trading loss: stock price is correctly valued at 80% of X.
344 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 10:57:39am |
‘London Whale’ Said to Be Leaving JPMorgan
The $2 billion trading loss at JPMorgan Chase has claimed another victim.
Bruno Iksil, the so-called London whale at the center of the trading debacle, is expected to leave the bank, according to current and former colleagues. The timing of the departure is unclear...
345 | lawhawk Wed, May 16, 2012 10:57:45am |
re: #333 iossarian
I get what you're saying. However, if you've already set aside X dollars for stock buyback, your dollars will allow the buyback of that many additional shares - supporting the share price at the same time as getting more bang for the money already set aside.
In Chase's case, they had reauthorized and expanded the existing buyback program back in March - and the purchases are contingent upon several conditions being met.
The bank is authorized to buy back up to $12 billion in 2012 and another $3 billion through the end of the first quarter of 2013. It expects to buy back at least the same amount of shares it issues for employee stock-based incentive awards.
Dimon said the company intends to repurchase equity only when it is generating more capital than it needs to fund organic growth and when it thinks the investment will provide “excellent value” to existing shareholders.
346 | Gus Wed, May 16, 2012 10:58:37am |
Justice launches criminal probe into JPMorgan’s $2 billion trading loss
The Justice Department has initiated a criminal probe into the $2 billion trading loss at JPMorgan Chase, a law enforcement representative familiar with the situation said Tuesday...
347 | iossarian Wed, May 16, 2012 10:59:29am |
re: #345 lawhawk
I get what you're saying. However, if you've already set aside X dollars for stock buyback, your dollars will allow the buyback of that many additional shares - supporting the share price at the same time as getting more bang for the money already set aside.
In Chase's case, they had reauthorized and expanded the existing buyback program back in March - and the purchases are contingent upon several conditions being met.
Right - that's what I meant about liquidity constraints and so forth. Obviously there are certain advantages to the stock price being lower in a buyback scenario.
But some commentators are seemingly trying to make it sound like: "They were going to buy $1B worth of shares anyway, and now they only have to pay $800M, so they're $200M better off! Woohoo!"
348 | Obdicut Wed, May 16, 2012 11:00:45am |
re: #345 lawhawk
No, it's only more bang if the shares are undervalued. If they're not, if the shares are properly valued, no matter if your $1,000,000 bought one share or one hundred shares, it still bought you $1,000,000 worth of shares.
If it does have the effect of buoying the price back up or if the price recovers on its own, then this is a fortuitous moment for them to reinvest in themselves. It's slightly risky-- if there's another big disaster after they've bought back their stock, the price would drop again and I doubt recover very quickly.
349 | Kragar Wed, May 16, 2012 11:03:50am |
Hey, Biblical Marriage explained in one handy diagram:
Image: dating-fails-man-polygamy-just-aint-what-it-used-to-be1.jpg
350 | lawhawk Wed, May 16, 2012 11:04:09am |
re: #347 iossarian
But some commentators are seemingly trying to make it sound like: "They were going to buy $1B worth of shares anyway, and now they only have to pay $800M, so they're $200M better off! Woohoo!"
Those commentators have it wrong - they're still buying $1 billion (if that's what they do), but they'll get X+20% more shares for that same $1 billion due to the slide in the share price. If the stock rebounds, they look like geniuses in the process. If the shares keep dropping and profits drop with it - they'll be in trouble. If share price drops but the profits remain strong, they'll use it as a buy opportunity.
It's a strategy used by some other companies, including GE who have found that the stock buybacks are a way to stash cash when there aren't that many other alternatives with ROI.
351 | Killgore Trout Wed, May 16, 2012 11:11:51am |
Sacha Baron Cohen's The Dictator Under Fire From Arab Americans
"I have not seen the film, but based on the trailer and interviews that I have seen him do in character, it really seems to be that it's perpetuating a negative stereotype against Arabs and therefore Arab Americans," Tonova tells E! News. "And I feel it's harmful to the discourse, especially these days when we are seeing the number of profiling incidents here in the U.S. against Arab Americans."
352 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, May 16, 2012 11:12:10am |
re: #351 Killgore Trout
It's also under fire from critics.
353 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 11:13:45am |
re: #352 Mostly sane, most of the time.
It's also under fire from critics.
That's disappointing to hear. I loved Borat.
354 | Killgore Trout Wed, May 16, 2012 11:15:46am |
re: #353 HappyWarrior
That's disappointing to hear. I loved Borat.
Me too. Borat was great but he hasn't really been able to repeat the success.
355 | HappyWarrior Wed, May 16, 2012 11:16:38am |
re: #354 Killgore Trout
Me too. Borat was great but he hasn't really been able to repeat the success.
Yeah I liked Borat more than Bruno. Borat was my favorite of the Ali G Show characters so I'm a little biased.
356 | lawhawk Wed, May 16, 2012 11:18:40am |
A federal judge entered a $323 million judgment against Syria and Iran over a 2006 terror attack in Israel that killed American Daniel Wulz who was visiting Israel with his parents. He was 16 at the time. 11 people were killed and 60 injured in the attack.
A U.S. federal judge awarded Tuly and Cheryl Wultz $323 million in a judgment against Iran for financially supporting the Islamic Jihad movement and Syrian for allowing the group to train in its territory. The lawsuit was filed by an Israeli advocacy group on behalf of the family.
Tuly Wultz remembers like it was yesterday how the terrorist looked moments before the blast that killed his son Daniel when they were vacationing in Israel in 2006. They were having lunch in Tel Aviv when the suicide bomber approached, standing 2 feet away from Daniel Wultz, 16.
The Israeli foreign ministry recap of the attack is here.
Despite the judgment, don't expect the family to ever see the money.
357 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 16, 2012 11:20:09am |
"I have not seen the movie, but based on rumors and the triailer I saw..."
SBC humor is all about making fun of people who are stupid enough to promote and spread sterotypes. It is the kind of humor that goes around several corners to bit you in the butt.
In a world that is devoid of nuance and irony-deficient, it is bound to be misundrsood.
Doesn't mean that I like it, though...
358 | ProGunLiberal Wed, May 16, 2012 11:21:34am |
re: #351 Killgore Trout
And the comments over there disheartening.
359 | RadicalModerate Wed, May 16, 2012 11:22:14am |
This must be another example of that "post-racial America" that I hear folks on the right trumpeting about all the time.
Black surgeon’s claim details racism among UCLA doctors
A highly regarded African-American surgeon and UCLA associate professor recently filed a lawsuit against the University of California Board of Regents and the administrators of the UCLA Medical Center for implementing a decade-long campaign of discriminatory acts against him — the most egregious being the public depiction of him as a big black gorilla being sodomized by a White man.
[...]
According to the court document, Dr. Head — who is married to a cardiologist and has two children — had taken none of the offenses committed against him lightly, for he had complained through all the university’s proper channels in his fruitless attempt to end the discriminatory treatment his two supervisors were affording him. But to no avail.In fact, every time he lodged an official complaint, he was retaliated against for having done so. For example, his number of clinic days were reduced, his hospital privileges were threatened, his money was treated funny — so much so that in August 2008 Dr. Head received a paycheck in the amount of 48 cents and for the following month, a paycheck was issued to him in the amount of 23 cents! His salary was $315,000 a year.
360 | Vicious Babushka Wed, May 16, 2012 11:25:55am |
re: #351 Killgore Trout
Sacha Baron Cohen's The Dictator Under Fire From Arab Americans
A Sacha Baron Cohen movie is like a live action "South Park" with Cartman, Kenny, Kyle, Stan, Mr. Garrison, Mr. Slave, and Kyle's Mother all played by the same person.
361 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, May 16, 2012 11:38:25am |
re: #353 HappyWarrior
That's disappointing to hear. I loved Borat.
His Ali G movie wasn't good. Borat won solely on the reality factor.
362 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, May 16, 2012 11:39:40am |
Spent most of the day at Versailles. Recuperating.