Another Right Wing Billionaire Plans Another Race-Baiting Smear Campaign

The “scary black president” smear never gets old
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Booga boogaProving that right wing attack memes never die, they just get eternally recycled, another super-rich wingnut is funding a campaign to try to tie Barack Obama to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Yes, again.

G.O.P. ‘Super PAC’ Weighs Hard-Line Attack on Obama.

WASHINGTON — A group of high-profile Republican strategists is working with a conservative billionaire on a proposal to mount one of the most provocative campaigns of the “super PAC” era and attack President Obama in ways that Republicans have so far shied away from.

Timed to upend the Democratic National Convention in September, the plan would “do exactly what John McCain would not let us do,” the strategists wrote.

The plan, which is awaiting approval, calls for running commercials linking Mr. Obama to incendiary comments by his former spiritual adviser, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., whose race-related sermons made him a highly charged figure in the 2008 campaign.

“The world is about to see Jeremiah Wright and understand his influence on Barack Obama for the first time in a big, attention-arresting way,” says the proposal, which was overseen by Fred Davis and commissioned by Joe Ricketts, the founder of the brokerage firm TD Ameritrade. Mr. Ricketts is increasingly putting his fortune to work in conservative politics.

“For the first time?” In which universe is that? The Rev. Wright issue has been hashed and rehashed so many times it’s become a complete joke.

Not to mention that President Obama thoroughly and unequivocally denounced Wright.

None of this matters in Wingnut World, of course. This billionaire obviously has money to burn, and he’s planning to burn $10 million of it on another round of Rev. Wright race-baiting.

The loons putting together this smear campaign are obviously aware that they’ll be charged with race-baiting (duh!) — so they’re planning to enlist an “extremely literate conservative African-American” as their token spokesman, to argue that Obama presented himself as a “metrosexual, black Abe Lincoln.”

You can’t make up stuff like this. It has to spring fully formed from the delusional, obsessive mind of a wingnut.

The $10 million plan, one of several being studied by Mr. Ricketts, includes preparations for how to respond to the charges of race-baiting it envisions if it highlights Mr. Obama’s former ties to Mr. Wright, who espouses what is known as “black liberation theology.”

The group suggested hiring as a spokesman an “extremely literate conservative African-American” who can argue that Mr. Obama misled the nation by presenting himself as what the proposal calls a “metrosexual, black Abe Lincoln.”

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1 Targetpractice  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:29:13am
The group suggested hiring as a spokesman an “extremely literate conservative African-American” who can argue that Mr. Obama misled the nation by presenting himself as what the proposal calls a “metrosexual, black Abe Lincoln.”

Gee, what's our Mr. Cain up to these days?

//

2 lawhawk  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:30:18am

Ricketts made his fortune founding TD Ameritrade. He's since gone on to establish a few media outlets (DNAinfo being one). He also is the current owner of the Cubs - a failed team by any measure. So, instead of focusing on improving that sorry state of affairs, he's going to push a failed meme from the 2008 campaign because he wants to destroy the President.

Outstanding policy choices there Mr. Ricketts. Simply outstanding. /May you continue to dispose of your fortune down a sewer drain

3 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:30:28am
so they’re planning to enlist an “extremely literate conservative African-American” as their token spokesman, to argue that Obama presented himself as a “metrosexual, black Abe Lincoln.”

Thomas Sowell? Walter Williams? Allen West? Allen Keyes? ZoNation?

4 celticdragon  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:30:40am

Anybody want to start a pool on when the ni*clang!* wall gets broken and somebody on the right just says it?

5 celticdragon  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:31:34am

re: #3 Unlike Some People

Thomas Sowell? Walter Williams? Allen West? Allen Keyes? ZoNation?

Either crazy gay hater Allen Keyes or crazy war criminal Allen West.

6 jaunte  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:34:04am
“The Defeat of Barack Hussein Obama: The Ricketts Plan to End His Spending for Good.”

I'll go out on a limb and take a guess that nothing in the plan addresses wasteful defense spending.

7 Obdicut  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:34:17am

The GOP is also trying to kill public broadcasting again.

8 Mattand  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:35:34am

A “metrosexual, black Abe Lincoln.”

So these guys have hired Colbert's writing staff? On what planet does this make any sense?

Oh yeah. Winguttia Prime, in the Fox system.

9 Obdicut  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:40:08am

re: #8 mattand

I don't think they've thought their cunning plan of comparing Obama to Abe Lincoln all the way through.

10 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:40:49am

What the fuck does black, metrosexual Abraham Lincoln even mean? Is that like an Asian homosexual Ronald Reagan? These guys are desperate as hell. I think it will backfire big time. And I'm not surprised at all to see the guy behind the infamous Debbie Spent It Now is in charge of this operation.

11 Targetpractice  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:41:43am

Think Charlie Pierce rather nicely addressed this issue today:

This is what three decades of tolerating this has brought us. This is what the Supreme Court has wrought in the past few years. It used to be, if you ran a foul and dishonest campaign, and it worked, you at least made a pass while in office to behave as though all your slandering and dishonesty was done in pursuit of a noble goal, in an attempt to gain a position worth having, so you did the occasional good government thing that you could sell to the Jaycees back home while you were slandering and cheating your way to re-election, or up to the next step on the career ladder. So some good got done by accident or, as Drew Pearson had his fictional president, Ben Hannaford, put it, "In a democracy, the right things always get done for the wrong reasons."

Now, though, there's no need to fake it once you make it. The offices were devalued as we convinced ourselves that "government" was an alien entity, and we accepted the fundamental absurdity of people spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to run for office because they were "not a politician," and running for positions in a government that they pretended to distrust, instead of laughing those people off the national stage as the charlatans they obviously are. Political office became a career move, a vehicle to continue your career in business through other means. And, as this became more and more the rule, actual public service waned, and government began to fail, and the cycle fed on itself until, today, our campaigns are judged and rewarded as though candidates were pitching an ad campaign, with success measured in the same way.

We have done a remarkable thing in this country. We have privatized both political slander and political corruption.

So, yes, they appear to be going "there" in Jeremiah Wright again, and on "the campaign John McCain refused to wage," as though McCain could have saved himself by being as big a public blight as Joe Ricketts has set himself to be, as though a few commercials featuring angry black preachers could have saved the Republican ticket from eight years of Republican policies that helped turn the world's economy into a plague ship, as though just the right amount of race-baiting and fag-baiting could have saved the day. (And as though Jeremiah Wright could have bailed McCain out of the utter idiocy of choosing Sarah Palin as the person best qualified, besides him, to have her grifting little mitts on the nuclear code.) Of course, they're "going there." There is here, and has been for longer than it's comfortable for us all to admit.

12 Gus  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:41:49am

This is really, really stupid. Republicans and conservatives should be embarrassed by it but I won't hold my breath.

13 Kronocide  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:42:31am

The Abe Lincoln reference is very telling. He presided over the conquering of the South. It's in the conservative psyche's DNA.

14 Mattand  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:42:38am

re: #9 Obdicut

I don't think they've thought their cunning plan of comparing Obama to Abe Lincoln all the way through.

I admit it, I physically LOL'd at that!

That thought had occurred to me as well. I think the idea is that Obama somehow sees himself as Lincoln, but yeah, the fail is strong with this one.

15 Gus  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:42:46am
16 Sophia77  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:43:17am

Go Sox!

17 Mattand  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:43:53am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

What the fuck does black, metrosexual Abraham Lincoln even mean? Is that like an Asian homosexual Ronald Reagan?

An effete, Filipino Millard Fillmore?

18 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:44:46am

re: #17 mattand

An effete, Filipino Millard Fillmore?

An Irish Teddy Roosevelt?
A New England LBJ?

19 Mattand  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:45:58am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

An Irish Teddy Roosevelt?
A New England LBJ?

A transgendered, Inuit Andrew Jackson?

20 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:46:58am

re: #19 mattand

A transgendered, Inuit Andrew Jackson?

A bicurious Arab John Adams?

21 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:48:41am

“extremely literate conservative African-American”

Gee, we wouldn't want an illiterate spokes-droid of any race for this. I'm sure he is a credit to his race.
/dripping

22 Bulworth  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:50:45am

re: #6 jaunte

I'll go out on a limb and take a guess that nothing in the plan addresses wasteful defense spending.

The debt is killing us!

So you advocate raising taxes to help pay off the debt?

No, no, no, it's all the government spending, stupid!

So you advocate cutting our gargantuan defense budget?

No, no, no, we can't be weak on defense! We have to cut all the waste and waste, like student loans and Medicare! Hands Off My Healthcare!

23 erik_t  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:51:10am

re: #2 lawhawk

Ricketts made his fortune founding TD Ameritrade. He's since gone on to establish a few media outlets (DNAinfo being one). He also is the current owner of the Cubs - a failed team by any measure. So, instead of focusing on improving that sorry state of affairs, he's going to push a failed meme from the 2008 campaign because he wants to destroy the President.

Outstanding policy choices there Mr. Ricketts. Simply outstanding. /May you continue to dispose of your fortune down a sewer drain

Probably bitter about the President's White Sox fandom.

24 Gus  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:51:43am

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

“extremely literate conservative African-American”

Gee, we wouldn't want an illiterate spokes-droid of any race for this. I'm sure he is a credit to his race.
/dripping

...

But Harry Reid said...

25 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:52:10am

re: #22 Bulworth

So you advocate raising taxes to help pay off the debt?

So you advocate cutting our gargantuan defense budget?

Well of course only social spending is "wasteful." Romney's plan to merely cut taxes and "cut spending" while ignoring the defense budget is just begging the deficit to increase. He's not going to cut spending. Reagan didn't and neither did Bush. What on earth makes anyone think Romney will?

26 Kronocide  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:52:39am

"a metrosexual, progressive activist Chuck Norris"

27 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:52:57am

re: #23 erik_t

Probably bitter about the President's White Sox fandom.

Look a billy goat!

28 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:53:08am

Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter--and Metrosexual!

29 Gus  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:54:40am

re: #26 Kronocide

"a metrosexual, progressive activist Chuck Norris"

This makes me laugh. I mean calling Obama a metrosexual to support Romney. I mean, Romney? Come on now. (cough, cough, cough)

30 nines09  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:55:42am

SAVE FREEDOM! DEFEAT OBAMA! / “extremely literate conservative African-American” to sell this point just about sums it up. Once again proving that money or wealth does not ensure sanity let alone common sense. Or class. Entitlement? You bet.

31 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:57:33am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

A bicurious Arab John Adams?

No. John Adams most definitely does not trip the gaydar. He trips the "grumpydudedar"

[Link: www.abs-cbnnews.com...]

32 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:59:07am

re: #31 Mostly sane, most of the time.

No. John Adams most definitely does not trip the gaydar. He trips the "grumpydudedar"

[Link: www.abs-cbnnews.com...]

I know, I'm just picking ethnicities, presidents, and sexualities at random. I like Adams but as for the Founders I'd have a cold one at the tavern with. Probably wouldn't be high on the list. Now Ben Franklin, can you say drinking buddy?

33 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:00:26am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

I know, I'm just picking ethnicities, presidents, and sexualities at random. I like Adams but as for the Founders I'd have a cold one at the tavern with. Probably wouldn't be high on the list. Now Ben Franklin, can you say drinking buddy?

He published fart jokes in the 18th century.

Yeah, he'd be fun to hang with.

George Washington, not so much.

Thomas Jefferson would have been good for a study group.

34 Batman  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:00:47am

Conservatives honestly believe that the Wright Connection was buried by the mainstream media. Their evidence? The fact that Obama still won. Of course, if people were actually aware, McCain would have won in a landslide.

35 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:02:14am

Metrosexual, black Abraham Lincoln, 1864

[Link: www.library.illinois.edu...]

36 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:02:28am

re: #33 Mostly sane, most of the time.

He published fart jokes in the 18th century.

Yeah, he'd be fun to hang with.

George Washington, not so much.

Thomas Jefferson would have been good for a study group.

What do you know about Madison's personality? Smart guy obviously but I haven't read much about him to get an insight to his personality. Dolley seems like she'd throw a fun party though.

37 Mattand  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:02:44am

re: #33 Mostly sane, most of the time.

He published fart jokes in the 18th century.

Yeah, he'd be fun to hang with.

George Washington, not so much.

Thomas Jefferson would have been good for a study group.

Meeting women? Franklin, without a doubt. "Hey, ladies, would you like me to show you my armonica?"

38 lawhawk  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:03:13am

re: #33 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Washington had a distillery at Mount Vernon. Jefferson was more studious than some of the others, but still managed to get around.

And Ben Franklin could easily morph into Ben Frankenstein for all of his experimentation and fascination with electricity.

39 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:04:19am

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

“extremely literate conservative African-American”

Gee, we wouldn't want an illiterate spokes-droid of any race for this. I'm sure he is a credit to his race.
/dripping

Romneybot 6000 - "I am the spokes-droid you are looking for. Vote for me."

40 Targetpractice  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:04:36am

re: #34 Batman

Conservatives honestly believe that the Wright Connection was buried by the mainstream media. Their evidence? The fact that Obama still won. Of course, if people were actually aware, McCain would have won in a landslide.

Yep, they believe it. Not only believe it, but consider it an article of faith, that stories that they spent months obsessing about in '08 as "the one thing that would kill his candidacy" would have worked if the liberal media hadn't been totally in Obama's camp. Exhibit A: Breitbart.com's "real vetting" of Obama.

41 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:05:53am

I wonder if they're going to use Breitbart.com's idioitc huggate here too. As I said, they've got their own crazy preachers. Hell some of their crazy preachers even run for president.

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:05:58am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

What do you know about Madison's personality? Smart guy obviously but I haven't read much about him to get an insight to his personality. Dolley seems like she'd throw a fun party though.

Not very much. Dolley was definitely considered the greatest first lady right up until Jacqueline Kennedy.

Did you know that one of Madison's reasons for holding back on publishing his notes on the Constitutional Convention was that he knew they were worth a lot, and he wanted to secure Dolley's future?

43 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:06:50am

re: #42 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Not very much. Dolley was definitely considered the greatest first lady right up until Jacqueline Kennedy.

Did you know that one of Madison's reasons for holding back on publishing his notes on the Constitutional Convention was that he knew they were worth a lot, and he wanted to secure Dolley's future?

She was one for Zingers though...

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:07:12am

re: #35 Unlike Some People

Metrosexual, black Abraham Lincoln, 1864

[Link: www.library.illinois.edu...]

It's in print, so it must be true.

45 Mattand  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:07:29am

Looks like the rats are already fleeing the ship. In an update to the Atlantic Wire report on MikeySCDA's page, Romney and Ricketts are running in the opposite direction as fast as they can from this.

46 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:07:30am

re: #43 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

She was one for Zingers though...

Quite a little cupcake I hear.

47 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:08:18am

re: #40 Targetpractice

Yep, they believe it. Not only believe it, but consider it an article of faith, that stories that they spent months obsessing about in '08 as "the one thing that would kill his candidacy" would have worked if the liberal media hadn't been totally in Obama's camp. Exhibit A: Breitbart.com's "real vetting" of Obama.

They can't believe he won fair and square. Not in their America. No way, no sir.

48 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:08:37am

re: #45 mattand

Looks like the rats are already fleeing the ship. In an update to the Atlantic Wire report on MikeySCDA's page, Romney and Ricketts are running in the opposite direction as fast as they can from this.

Cowards.

49 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:09:30am

re: #30 Road Runner

SAVE FREEDOM! DEFEAT OBAMA! / “extremely literate conservative African-American” to sell this point just about sums it up. Once again proving that money or wealth does not ensure sanity let alone common sense. Or class. Entitlement? You bet.

I wonder which black conservative will be willing to whore him or herself out for the job?

50 Targetpractice  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:09:42am

re: #45 mattand

Looks like the rats are already fleeing the ship. In an update to the Atlantic Wire report on MikeySCDA's page, Romney and Ricketts are running in the opposite direction as fast as they can from this.

Romney bailing wasn't surprising, but Ricketts was.

51 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:09:46am

re: #42 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Not very much. Dolley was definitely considered the greatest first lady right up until Jacqueline Kennedy.

Did you know that one of Madison's reasons for holding back on publishing his notes on the Constitutional Convention was that he knew they were worth a lot, and he wanted to secure Dolley's future?

Didn't know that, no.

52 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:10:33am

BLACK MARXIST LIBERATION THEOLOGY MUSLIM ATHEIST REPARATIONS PIGFORD CRITICAL RACE THEORY TRAYVON MARTIN RACE RIOTS NEGRO HUG FOOD STAMP PRESIDENT DEBT SLAVERY FLASH MOBS

53 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:11:18am

I love how the Romney campaign pats itself on the back there. "We're in favor of running a positive campaign based on jobs." Uh okay but you had no problem with this being done in support of your candidate before the heat came out. As I said cowards.

54 simoom  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:12:34am

re: #3 Unlike Some People

so they’re planning to enlist an “extremely literate conservative African-American” as their token spokesman, to argue that Obama presented himself as a “metrosexual, black Abe Lincoln.”

Thomas Sowell? Walter Williams? Allen West? Allen Keyes? ZoNation?

According to p.41 of the document:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Our recommendation is Larry Elder, a prominent ABC talk radio host in California. We have discussed our approach with him in confidence and he immediately understood and "got it." Larry was considered a potential U.S. Senate candidate in California during the last cycle.

...

We have had also had very tentative talks with a group of African-American business leaders who could get substantially behind this effort. We will continue those talks only after concept approval.

55 sagehen  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:13:27am

I'd think Romney's supporters would be wary of making the declared tenets of a nominee's faith into a matter for debate.

Just saying.

56 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:15:34am

re: #54 simoom

Thomas Sowell? Walter Williams? Allen West? Allen Keyes? ZoNation?

According to p.41 of the document:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Larry Elder makes his money off of white people, but I would love to know who those black business leaders are and how much of their money comes from the black community because they would lose all it.

57 simoom  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:17:24am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

If you read the Rickett's proposal ad transcript there's actually a substantial part of it that's been a core of the Romney stump since all the way back to his announcement for President speech, which is the RW meme of the President not seeing america in the same way as proper, regular Americans and going around the world bowing, scraping & apologizing (see also "No Apologies" by Mitt Romney).

58 sagehen  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:17:48am

re: #2 lawhawk

Ricketts made his fortune founding TD Ameritrade. He's since gone on to establish a few media outlets (DNAinfo being one). He also is the current owner of the Cubs - a failed team by any measure. So, instead of focusing on improving that sorry state of affairs, he's going to push a failed meme from the 2008 campaign because he wants to destroy the President.

Outstanding policy choices there Mr. Ricketts. Simply outstanding. /May you continue to dispose of your fortune down a sewer drain

awright, now... imma stand up for the Cubbies.

Cubs fans are the greatest fans in the world. Their relentless optimism, their absolute faith in better days ahead, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, their full-throated enthusiasm for the clean slate every Spring -- they're an inspiration.

This is their year, I'm telling you. This time I'm certain. If the Red Sox can do it, anyone can do it.

59 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:20:00am

re: #54 simoom

Good choice, I guess.

60 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:20:31am

re: #57 simoom

If you read the Rickett's proposal transcript there's actually a substantial part of it that's been a core of the Romney stump since all the way back to his announcement for President speech, which is the RW meme of the President not seeing america in the same way as proper, regular Americans and going around the world bowing, scraping & apologizing (see also "No Apologies" by Mitt Romney).

Right, this would be just a louder whistle than Romney's current one. And I want to personally give Romney hell when he acts like working for the federal government for your career isn't a real job. He uses Obama's longtime career in government as a means of attacking him on the economy which is a really lame attack but hey it's Romney.Not to mention the fact that Obama has worked in the private sector.

61 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:20:59am

Gotta hand it to the right wing for one thing: they know how to fall in line and parrot talking points in unison. It's impressive. Almost all the right wing blogs are pushing stupid Rev. Wright "scary black man" stories today.

62 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:21:33am

re: #61 Charles Johnson

That meeting with Romney probably paid off.

63 William of Orange  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:28:02am

What a sad news today. Donna Summer died after a battle with lung cancer.

Donna Summer - Last Dance.

64 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:30:32am

The First Gay President. He was POTUS before Abraham Lincoln. It would seem that he was an "out" Gay.

65 lawhawk  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:30:40am

So, Ricketts is doing the triple Lindy in trying to back away from the original story - that he was pushing this smear campaign. His press flack was saying this was one of several proposed campaign efforts to take down the President but is one that Ricketts rejects.

Not only was this plan merely a proposal – one of several submitted to the Ending Spending Action Fund by third-party vendors – but it reflects an approach to politics that Mr. Ricketts rejects and it was never a plan to be accepted but only a suggestion for a direction to take. Mr. Ricketts intends to work hard to help elect a President this fall who shares his commitment to economic responsibility, but his efforts are and will continue to be focused entirely on questions of fiscal policy, not attacks that seek to divide us socially or culturally.

What does it say about his policy choices when it's one of the proposed options in the first place? And if he really wants to focus entirely on questions of fiscal policy, how did smear campaign proposal get included in the first place? Oversight? Or is he now just walking back from the mess of his own creation.

66 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:32:20am

re: #63 William of Orange

What a sad news today. Donna Summer died after a battle with lung cancer.

Donna Summer - Last Dance.

[Embedded content]

So sad.

They're falling like cats from a hot tin roof.

I know I'm old because I recognize all the names of recently deceased famous people.

67 Simply Sarah  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:32:55am

Well, it's easy to say you oppose it now. Doesn't mean you didn't originally or that you really still don't. Just means you're trying to avoid any negative backlash it might cause.

68 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:34:55am

re: #65 lawhawk

So, Ricketts is doing the triple Lindy in trying to back away from the original story - that he was pushing this smear campaign. His press flack was saying this was one of several proposed campaign efforts to take down the President but is one that Ricketts rejects.

What does it say about his policy choices when it's one of the proposed options in the first place? And if he really wants to focus entirely on questions of fiscal policy, how did smear campaign proposal get included in the first place? Oversight? Or is he now just walking back from the mess of his own creation.

He's backing away because he knows his name is attached to a project that makes him look like a jackass. Also, amusing how he's making himself out to be an independent when he was recently in the news for being a supporter of the woman who surprisingly won the Nebraska Republican nomination for Senate. Mr. Ricketts is running away because he's been busted.

69 Targetpractice  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:38:04am

re: #65 lawhawk

So, Ricketts is doing the triple Lindy in trying to back away from the original story - that he was pushing this smear campaign. His press flack was saying this was one of several proposed campaign efforts to take down the President but is one that Ricketts rejects.

What does it say about his policy choices when it's one of the proposed options in the first place? And if he really wants to focus entirely on questions of fiscal policy, how did smear campaign proposal get included in the first place? Oversight? Or is he now just walking back from the mess of his own creation.

It's stock excuse #42: "It was just an idea!" We're supposed to believe that it was just something thrown together, never meant to be taken seriously, just...you know...meant to "spark discussion" or some such excuse.

70 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:39:16am

UPDATE:

Romney, Billionaire Joe Ricketts Disavow Plan to Tie Obama to Jeremiah Wright

Updated at 12:52 p.m. ET; Original Post at 10:47 a.m. ET

Reports of a plan to air attack ads against President Obama by rehashing ties to his former pastor, the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright, quickly drew the condemnation today of presumed GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney and Joe Ricketts, the money-man reported to be considering the plan.

Romney today disavowed the conservative group that the New York Times said had planned to bankroll the ads.

"I repudiate the effort by that PAC to promote an ad strategy of the nature they've described," Romney told the conservative website Townhall.com. "I would like to see this campaign focus on the economy, on getting people back to work, on seeing rising incomes and growing prosperity, particularly for those in the middle class of America."

The Times reported today that a $10 million plan developed by "a group of high-profile Republican strategists" and Joe Ricketts, the founder of TD Ameritrade, will seek to link "Mr. Obama to incendiary comments by his former spiritual adviser, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., whose race-related sermons made him a highly charged figure in the 2008 campaign."

"The group suggested hiring as a spokesman an 'extremely literate conservative African-American' who can argue that Mr. Obama misled the nation by presenting himself as what the proposal calls a 'metrosexual, black Abe Lincoln,'" the Times reported.

71 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:40:37am

[Link: www.sentinelsource.com...]
I see the Romney campaign is following the let's avoid any difficult questions strategy.

72 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:42:06am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.sentinelsource.com...]
I see the Romney campaign is following the let's avoid any difficult questions strategy.

No comment.

But the sky is blue and the few clouds up there are white.

73 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:42:39am

[Link: www.pri.org...]
And so much for the fear that Obama's announcement on gay marriage would hurt him with Latino voters. This combined with Romney's immigration stances could help Obama do really well with Latino voters.

74 Targetpractice  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:43:38am

re: #73 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.pri.org...]
And so much for the fear that Obama's announcement on gay marriage would hurt him with Latino voters. This combined with Romney's immigration stances could help Obama do really well with Latino voters.

Oh well, it'll still keep the blacks from going to the polls, so it's all good!

75 dragonfire1981  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:44:12am
76 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:45:27am

re: #75 dragonfire1981

Man kills himself after being dicked around and wrongly foreclosed on by Wells Fargo

That's really sad. But remember the government is the bad guy. //

77 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:48:03am

[Link: newsmeat.com...]
By the way here's a link to Tom Ricketts' political donations page. All money to Republicans. He's not an independent no matter how hard he tries to spin that.

78 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:48:38am

Am I imagining things, or is the moral stance of the current vocal right wing, really an abusive morality?

Or is it just my left leaning bias at work?

79 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:48:50am

Maybe next, they can bring up some Bill Ayers stuff. They haven't done that yet, right?
/

80 dragonath  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49:02am

Oh boy... the Fitch ratings agency just downgraded Greece to CCC. And another rating agency downgraded a bunch of Spanish regions.

It's like they're trying to piss people off.

81 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49:19am

re: #79 Kragar

Maybe next, they can bring up some Bill Ayers stuff. They haven't done that yet, right?
/

Who's Bill Ayers? Never heard of him.

82 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49:54am

re: #80 Be Zorch, Daddio

Oh boy... the Fitch ratings agency just downgraded Greece to CCC. And another rating agency downgraded a bunch of Spanish regions.

It's like they're trying to piss people off.

Give Boehner some more time and they'll get around to us again.

83 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:51:06am

re: #79 Kragar

Maybe next, they can bring up some Bill Ayers stuff. They haven't done that yet, right?
/

Only Jesus can recognize change and forgive, cause the right sure can't.

84 sattv4u2  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:51:06am

re: #78 Ghost of Insanity

Am I imagining things, or is the moral stance of the current vocal right wing, really an abusive morality?

Or is it just my left leaning bias at work?

Yes, and yes!

85 simoom  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:51:24am

So yesterday Romney did an interview with Ed Morrisey over at Hot Air and I just noticed today he has an interview with Guy Benson at Townhall. The annoying part is the media on his detail have been complaining lately about how he's been mostly avoiding Q&A's on the road, press conferences, national media interviews, etc and has been pursuing a partisan media strategy, but then they reward him for it by quoting things from these interviews and linking to them (something just feels wrong about ABCNews driving traffic to HotAir with a link :P).

86 harrylook  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:51:37am

20 yrs as the spiritual protege of a racist a-hole who you "disowned" when you were absolutely forced to, pretending to be completely unaware of the extremist views of your spiritual mentor = not relevant/racist to bring it up

bullied someone when you were 17 = highly relevant.

Got it.

87 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:52:45am

Harry Jackson Warns 'Radical Gay Activists' are bringing America back to 'the times of Hitler'

Jackson: It’s obviously disingenuous when they say marriage equality for everyone and I was just pointing out the fact that it really isn’t marriage for everyone, it’s a special kind of marriage for radical gay activists. They want to impose their will on the culture and if you cannot reproduce you may try to recruit, and what I mean by that is what is going on is an attempt to reshape, refashion the mind, hearts and desires of the next generation. Many Christians are sitting back and we aren’t speaking out, but the reality is just like during the times of Hitler we have people coming after one group after another group after another group, and folks are saying, well this doesn’t affect me I’ll let this slide, we have a problem that really we have a whole generation of people who want to affect not only their lives and choices but the choices of another generation.

88 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:53:08am

re: #84 sattv4u2

Yes, and yes!

Thanks for the confusion, I was running low.

89 Kronocide  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:53:37am

How dare you attack the patriotism of Joe Ricketts. Socialists!

90 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:54:28am

re: #87 Kragar

Harry Jackson Warns 'Radical Gay Activists' are bringing America back to 'the times of Hitler'

Words can't even describe how angry it makes me when people like Jackson try to make their opposition to gay marriage something that equates with how the Nazis treated Jews and other groups. Especially when they're the ones trying to tell gay couples they can't have equality under the law.

91 Targetpractice  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:54:29am

re: #87 Kragar

Harry Jackson Warns 'Radical Gay Activists' are bringing America back to 'the times of Hitler'

Does it need to be said what Nazi Germany's policies on homosexuals were? Or the part people like Jackson played in the enactment of those policies?

92 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:55:44am

re: #86 harrylook

20 yrs as the spiritual protege of a racist a-hole who you "disowned" when you were absolutely forced to, pretending to be completely unaware of the extremist views of your spiritual mentor = not relevant/racist to bring it up

bullied someone when you were 17 = highly relevant.

Got it.

Don't you have any witches to exercise?

93 Kronocide  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:55:55am

re: #86 harrylook

'Spiritual protege?' What fucking rock did you pick that out from under? Not to mention Obama publicly and clearly disavowed Wright's rhetoric. Not some pithy 'If I offended somebody, I'm sorry.'

Ideology has rotted your brain, now you're partisan zombie.

94 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:56:00am

re: #91 Targetpractice

Does it need to be said what Nazi Germany's policies on homosexuals were? Or the part people like Jackson played in the enactment of those policies?

According to Bryan Fischer, the Nazis were all homosexuals. In his world, only homosexuals were brutal enough to conduct the Holocaust.

95 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:56:28am

re: #91 Targetpractice

Does it need to be said what Nazi Germany's policies on homosexuals were? Or the part people like Jackson played in the enactment of those policies?

People like Jackson probably believe that stupid "Pink Swastika" nonsense. Really the whole crux of that argument popularized by Bryan Fischer is some Nazis were gay ergo it's okay for state policy to discriminate against gay people. Which is dare I risk Godwin here in saying it, a very Nazi way of looking at things, at the very least it's an authoritarian mindset. Or the fact that if you use his stupid rhetoric, it's okay to discriminate against straight Christians too because some Nazis were that. Not that I am anyway advocating that at all but that's Fischer's logic.

96 allegro  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:56:35am

re: #75 dragonfire1981

Man kills himself after being dicked around and wrongly foreclosed on by Wells Fargo

Nothing surprises me about Wells Fargo. They bought our mortgage a bunch of years ago and decided to change my last name to my husband's name even though the deed was in both of our names as well as the previous mortgage. Sold the house after my husband died, no problem. Skip a couple of years... I opened personal and business accounts with Wells Fargo since it was about across the street from my new home. They came back and said that they showed my name as [husband's last name]. I told them, nope, never changed my name when I married, YOU did it when you bought our mortgage. They said I had to PROVE that I never changed my name. Like I could prove a negative. They said I had to bring them my birth certificate which, of course, proves only that I was born with the name I have had and legally used my entire life. I said, no I'm not going to do that cuz it was your error, not mine. They kept harassing me and telling me I HAD to do it. I said, no I don't and closed both accounts. No problem.

Very fucked up organization.

97 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:57:03am

re: #92 RayFerd

Don't you have any witches to exercise?

Wiccan cardio boxing?

98 Simply Sarah  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:57:43am

re: #94 Kragar

According to Bryan Fischer, the Nazis were all homosexuals. In his world, only homosexuals were brutal fabulous enough to conduct the Holocaust.

I'm so going to hell for this.

99 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:58:31am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

People like Jackson probably believe that stupid "Pink Swastika" nonsense. Really the whole crux of that argument popularized by Bryan Fischer is some Nazis were gay ergo it's okay for state policy to discriminate against gay people. Which is dare I risk Godwin here in saying it, a very Nazi way of looking at things, at the very least it's an authoritarian mindset.

As Hitler liked to say, "Gott Mit Uns"

100 Targetpractice  Thu, May 17, 2012 10:59:26am

re: #94 Kragar

According to Bryan Fischer, the Nazis were all homosexuals. In his world, only homosexuals were brutal enough to conduct the Holocaust.

Of course, because we know that good, God-fearing, and family-oriented Germans never wanted to go along with Nazi policies.

///^nth

101 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:00:02am

re: #97 Kragar

Wiccan cardio boxing?

I was thinking more the Brazilian butt crunches but I guess it depends on which door you pick at the 'Y'.

102 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:00:05am

re: #86 harrylook

20 yrs as the spiritual protege of a racist a-hole who you "disowned" when you were absolutely forced to, pretending to be completely unaware of the extremist views of your spiritual mentor = not relevant/racist to bring it up

bullied someone when you were 17 = highly relevant.

Got it.

If Reverend Wright us racist then nearly all black people are racist, myself included. What he said about America is what most of us feel, most of the time. This country is fuck-up and always has been. It only does the right thing when it has to, pulled kicking and screaming after millions of people have suffered outrageously for decades, if not centuries. At least that's our story. Those changes also never with popular support. The Supreme Court or the Congress always has to make the change that popular sentiment would never allow for. That's the real reason why right wingers hate the Feds and "activist" judges since about 1860.

Now, you have a nice day and enjoy the unabashed love of country that your white privilege allows you to have. Must be nice.

103 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:00:29am

Fischer logic:

The Nazis were gays because they were capable of genocide.
Saving lives feminizes the Medal of Honor.

Dafuq?

104 Kronocide  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:00:40am

re: #94 Kragar

According to Bryan Fischer, the Nazis were all homosexuals. In his world, only homosexuals were brutal enough to conduct the Holocaust.

There's no way they were homosexual, the color scheme was seriously non-fabulous.

Cheap stereotype + Nazi joke

105 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:01:23am

re: #86 harrylook

20 yrs as the spiritual protege of a racist a-hole who you "disowned" when you were absolutely forced to, pretending to be completely unaware of the extremist views of your spiritual mentor = not relevant/racist to bring it up

bullied someone when you were 17 = highly relevant.

Got it.

Wright is a racist?

Yes, bailing out when Wright was shown to be a liability for the campaign does look politically motivated. Kind of like Etch-a-Sketch Romney, but not as frequent.

On the other hand, Romney not only exposed himself as a bully while a teenager, an attitude he could have rejected and grown out of, he has shown through Bain that his attitude wasn't corrected, it was simply transferred to an environment where his decisions enable him to bully more than one person at a time. All in the name of business.

106 wrenchwench  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:01:43am

re: #86 harrylook

20 yrs as the spiritual protege of a racist a-hole who you "disowned" when you were absolutely forced to, pretending to be completely unaware of the extremist views of your spiritual mentor = not relevant/racist to bring it up

bullied someone when you were 17 = highly relevant.

Got it.

Romney was 18 when he assaulted his classmate and forcibly cut his hair.

You're irrelevant.

107 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:02:03am

re: #70 Learned Mother of Zion

UPDATE:

Romney, Billionaire Joe Ricketts Disavow Plan to Tie Obama to Jeremiah Wright

Not surprising. If Wright is fair game in 2012, so will be Romney's Mormon church. Gloves off. Don't think he wants to endorse that.

On the other hand, the rwnj bloggers he had that conference with seem to be running with Wright…

108 gwangung  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:02:30am

re: #86 harrylook

20 yrs as the spiritual protege of a racist a-hole who you "disowned" when you were absolutely forced to, pretending to be completely unaware of the extremist views of your spiritual mentor = not relevant/racist to bring it up
Got it.

A) You obviously have never been in a black church before.

B) Just as obviously, you've never listened to Rev. Wright's speeches.

C) Triple obviously, you've never listened to the WHOLE sermon of the single Rev. Wright sermon you're aware of.

109 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:02:45am

re: #86 harrylook

Is it OK to bring up the fact that he is Bryan Fischer's bitch?

110 wrenchwench  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:02:51am

re: #78 Ghost of Insanity

Am I imagining things, or is the moral stance of the current vocal right wing, really an abusive morality?

Or is it just my left leaning bias humanity at work?

FTFY.

111 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:03:07am

re: #89 Kronocide

How dare you attack the patriotism of Joe Ricketts. Socialists!

The left has health food, the right has Ricketts.

Come on, somebody had to say it (dumb as it is).

112 Gus  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:04:49am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

That's really sad. But remember the government is the bad guy. //

So true. And remember. OWS has killed more people than the Great Recession!

//

113 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:05:04am

Help me out here:

The Civil War stamps, or the Cherry blossom stamps.

Also, Post Office, Y U No have super hero stamps?

114 sattv4u2  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:05:42am

re: #111 Ghost of Insanity

The left has health food, the right has Ricketts.

Come on, somebody had to say it (dumb as it is).

RUN FORREST ,,, RUN!!!

115 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:05:56am

Testing Media Research Center Spokesman's Advice to Pastors on how to discuss Gay Rights

Media Research Center’s Tim Graham talked to Janet Mefferd yesterday where he claimed that opponents of same-sex marriage can’t get on TV, a point which he then undercut when he admitted that anti-gay activists like Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and Harry Jackson actually made the rounds on TV to respond to President Obama’s endorsement of marriage equality. Graham called Obama’s announcement a “tragic,” “dark” and “depressing moment” for America, and declared that he “would like to see what would happen” if pastors like Jackson could speak about same-sex marriage during interviews just as “he does at his church”:

Graham may be on to something, as TV interviews might be much more candid and exhilarating if Harry Jackson told the hosts at PBS or MSNBC that demonic forces, specifically the Queen of Heaven, are responsible for gay rights, just as he preaches in church:

116 sattv4u2  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:06:39am

re: #113 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Help me out here:

The Civil War stamps, or the Cherry blossom stamps.

Also, Post Office, Y U No have super hero stamps?

e-mail

no stamps, and you can have any super hero you want as a screen saver!

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:07:53am

re: #116 sattv4u2

e-mail

no stamps, and you can have any super hero you want as a screen saver!

Still gonna need stamps.

118 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:08:00am

re: #115 Kragar

Testing Media Research Center Spokesman's Advice to Pastors on how to discuss Gay Rights

These people are crazy. Anti-gay bigots are on TV all the time. They would know that if they ever turned the channel from FOX news or CBN.

119 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:08:20am

re: #113 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Help me out here:

The Civil War stamps, or the Cherry blossom stamps.

Also, Post Office, Y U No have super hero stamps?

Stomp stamps.

120 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:08:24am

re: #115 Kragar

Testing Media Research Center Spokesman's Advice to Pastors on how to discuss Gay Rights

Gay marriage opponents can't get on TV? Wow when did Tony Perkins come out in favor of gay marriage? Same with Pat Robertson. Man, it's tough.

121 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:09:29am

John Derbyshire Claims 'Overwhelming Majority of Black Americans Agree' with his Column Defending White Supremacy

What generated the most shrieking and swooning from the guardians of racial orthodoxy in this cycle was this remark in my VDARE.com column:

"White supremacy, in the sense of a society in which key decisions are made by white Europeans, is one of the better arrangements History has come up with."

On the John Locke principle, though—i.e. "I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts"—the overwhelming majority of black Americans agree with me, and always have. From very early in the Republic, free blacks not only had the opportunity to escape from white supremacy, they were encouraged to do so by abolitionists.

But with all this opportunity and encouragement, how many freed blacks actually chose to escape from under the iron heel of white supremacy? Most sources give 15,000-20,000—out of a Civil War-era black population of around four million. That’s less than half of one percent. Ninety-nine point five something percent preferred white supremacy. That's an even bigger proportion than voted for Barack Obama in 2008.

"I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts."

Apply John Locke's apothegm to the sloppy, dishonest, thuggish, anti-intellectual actions of the guardians of racial orthodoxy in today’s America, and you get a pretty good insight into their thoughts.

122 S'latch  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:09:43am

A ten million dollar plan that will result in a net loss of votes. Brilliant.

123 Gus  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:10:16am

re: #86 harrylook

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blld smn whn wr 17 = hghl rlvnt.

Gt t.

What?

124 Mattand  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:10:55am

re: #86 harrylook

20 yrs as the spiritual protege of a racist a-hole who you "disowned" when you were absolutely forced to, pretending to be completely unaware of the extremist views of your spiritual mentor = not relevant/racist to bring it up

bullied someone when you were 17 = highly relevant.

Got it.

Not so much "bullied" as "assault with a deadly weapon that I can get away with because of who my daddy is."

125 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:11:04am

re: #123 Gus

What?

CTHULHU!

126 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:11:29am

Oh brother. The Breitbrats outdo themselves today.

In a way, it's kind of sad to see what the right wing blogosphere has turned into. But also kind of hilarious.

The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and Raised in Indonesia and Hawaii'

127 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:11:57am

Personally, I like how Obama's decision has driven many on the right completely off their rockers. Nothing but whining even though Obama's position is hardly radical and he demonized no one in what he said last week. Meanwhile, the HCR called last night and I had a nice conversation with the girl on the other end about how good cause this is. We're moving forward. These guys seem hellbent on staying backward and calling gay people pedophiles and comparing supporting equality to Nazism. I wonder if Obama was aware that his support would show how nutty the anti gay political groups are.

128 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:12:01am

re: #113 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Help me out here:

The Civil War stamps, or the Cherry blossom stamps.

Also, Post Office, Y U No have super hero stamps?

Because if you put a Flash stamp on a letter you'd expect it to be delivered faster.
;)

129 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:12:36am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Gay marriage opponents can't get on TV? Wow when did Tony Perkins come out in favor of gay marriage? Same with Pat Robertson. Man, it's tough.

Playing the victim (implied entitlement) while moaning about the left's entitlement attitudes and putative penchant for playing the victim.

130 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:12:45am

re: #121 Kragar

John Derbyshire Claims 'Overwhelming Majority of Black Americans Agree' with his Column Defending White Supremacy

He is not serious, is he?

They didn't run away because it was hard and dangerous. If running away had been easy, and if you were safe once you crossed the Mason-Dixon (as opposed to the America-Canada border) they all would have.

For example, my husband and I have five kids. Now, if by some miracle, all five and the two of us were still on the same plantation (highly unlikely), we wouldn't be willing to leave without them.

So we would have to get seven people north, through great danger and risking our lives, pretty much. The seven year old can't walk fast or very much, now can he? He has to walk from GEORGIA TO CANADA without us being caught.

Jeepers what a moron.

131 wrenchwench  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:13:02am

re: #121 Kragar

John Derbyshire Claims 'Overwhelming Majority of Black Americans Agree' with his Column Defending White Supremacy

Can an atheist believe in evil? Derbyshire is making a believer out of me.

132 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:13:22am

re: #121 Kragar

John Derbyshire Claims 'Overwhelming Majority of Black Americans Agree' with his Column Defending White Supremacy

Does John Derbyshire even know any black people? Me thinks that Mr. I was an illegal immigrant but I'm different because I'm white and British should shut his white supremacist face.

133 Gus  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:13:57am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Oh brother. The Breitbrats outdo themselves today.

In a way, it's kind of sad to see what the right wing blogosphere has turned into. But also kind of hilarious.

The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and Raised in Indonesia and Hawaii'

Remember how Andrew was always calling for people to resist the birtherism? Not anymore.

134 allegro  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:14:26am

re: #121 Kragar

But with all this opportunity and encouragement, how many freed blacks actually chose to escape from under the iron heel of white supremacy? Most sources give 15,000-20,000—out of a Civil War-era black population of around four million. That’s less than half of one percent. Ninety-nine point five something percent preferred white supremacy.

WTF? Like they had any choice living in the US at the time with no means of leaving? This guy is some piece o' work.

135 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:14:39am

re: #133 Gus

Remember how Andrew was always calling for people to resist the birtherism? Not anymore.

He's dead and he's looking sane compared to those who replaced him. Hard task to do.

136 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:14:49am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Oh brother. The Breitbrats outdo themselves today.

In a way, it's kind of sad to see what the right wing blogosphere has turned into. But also kind of hilarious.

The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and Raised in Indonesia and Hawaii'

Because if you can't trust a 20 years old blurb in a pamphlet, who can you trust? Certainly not the state of Hawaii.

137 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:15:08am

re: #131 wrenchwench

Can an atheist believe in evil? Derbyshire is making a believer out of me.

Fucked up brain chemistry.

138 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:16:04am

re: #130 Mostly sane, most of the time.

He is not serious, is he?

They didn't run away because it was hard and dangerous. If running away had been easy, and if you were safe once you crossed the Mason-Dixon (as opposed to the America-Canada border) they all would have.

For example, my husband and I have five kids. Now, if by some miracle, all five and the two of us were still on the same plantation (highly unlikely), we wouldn't be willing to leave without them.

So we would have to get seven people north, through great danger and risking our lives, pretty much. The seven year old can't walk fast or very much, now can he? He has to walk from GEORGIA TO CANADA without us being caught.

Jeepers what a moron.

I guess he thinks they could have just hopped on a plane or something. The stupid is strong with this one. And you are right a good many people crisscrossed the South after slavery looking for family members that were sold a way. There's a great novel about that called the Wake of the Wind by J. California Cooper. One of the best books I ever read.

139 Gus  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:16:25am

re: #136 Kragar

Because if you can't trust a 20 years old blurb in a pamphlet, who can you trust? Certainly not the state of Hawaii.

The throbbing pamphlet!

140 wrenchwench  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:16:32am

re: #137 Ghost of Insanity

Fucked up brain chemistry.

And he's profiting from it. Because there are others with the same views who like to see him in print.

141 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:16:50am

re: #134 allegro

WTF? Like they had any choice living in the US at the time with no means of leaving? This guy is some piece o' work.

"Hmm, stay in the country of my birth or get on a boat and end up who knows where? That didn't work out too well for Grandpa, think I'll stay here."

142 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:17:04am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

He's dead and he's looking sane compared to those who replaced him. Hard task to do.

That's the thing about the Right. There's always something more awful then what came before.

143 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:17:22am

re: #136 Kragar

Because if you can't trust a 20 years old blurb in a pamphlet, who can you trust? Certainly not the state of Hawaii.

What's the purpose of this? Will they roll back all of his decisions if he's found to be born in Kenya? Is that what they're hoping?

144 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:18:00am

Derb needs to sit down and watch a documentary about the Underground Railroad so he can understand what it took to get out of slavery.

145 wrenchwench  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:18:14am

re: #143 Ghost of Insanity

What's the purpose of this? Will they roll back all of his decisions if he's found to be born in Kenya? Is that what they're hoping?

You'd think they're looking forward to President Joe Biden.

146 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:18:55am

re: #142 moderatelyradicalliberal

That's the thing about the Right. There's always something more awful then what came before.

The TeaParty is hard at work finishing off what's left of the rational right.

147 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:19:23am

re: #144 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Derb needs to sit down and watch a documentary about the Underground Railroad so he can understand what it took to get out of slavery.

I guess he's also unaware of the Fugitive Slave Act.

148 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:19:26am

The Year of the Rabbit stamps show oranges.

?????

Not carrots?

149 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:19:42am

re: #147 moderatelyradicalliberal

I guess he's also unaware of the Fugitive Slave Act.

Like I said: Canadian border.

150 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:19:55am

re: #143 Ghost of Insanity

What's the purpose of this? Will they roll back all of his decisions if he's found to be born in Kenya? Is that what they're hoping?

It means Sarah Palin comes in on a white horse and deposes the usurper with Excalibur to a cheering crowd and proclaimed Sarah the Great and Kind.

151 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:20:35am

NASA stamps! Here we go.

152 allegro  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:20:40am

re: #144 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Derb needs to sit down and watch a documentary about the Underground Railroad so he can understand what it took to get out of slavery.

I'm presuming he was talking about after the Emancipation Proclamation and that once freed, they stayed anyway and "chose" white supremacy because they liked it and felt it was the superior system. Astonishing.

154 Targetpractice  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:21:02am

re: #147 moderatelyradicalliberal

I guess he's also unaware of the Fugitive Slave Act.

Or that increasing refusal to enforce it is part of what led the South to believe that the North was on the cusp of emancipating all the slaves out from under them.

155 sagehen  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:21:05am

re: #136 Kragar

Because if you can't trust a 20 years old blurb in a pamphlet, who can you trust? Certainly not the state of Hawaii.

We all know a literary agent would never ever misrepresent a client's background when trying to make a sale.

//

156 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:21:10am

Yeah slaves risked a lot by trying to escape. I read about what Jefferson did to his escaped slaves. Not pretty at all. Real telling that NR hired this clown to write for them.

157 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:21:36am

re: #146 Ghost of Insanity

The TeaParty is hard at work finishing off what's left of the rational right.

If there was a truly rational right, the Tea Party would never have happened. Other then GH Bush senior I can't think of a single prominent Republican who ever strongly criticized or denounced them. Why would they? While the MSM was pretending that the TP was an independent movement, Republicans knew their base when they saw it.

158 Targetpractice  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:21:36am

re: #153 Kragar

North Carolina To Investigate James O’Keefe Group For Possible Criminal Voter Impersonation

Well, I guess he can cross NC off the list of states he can ever visit again.

159 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:23:00am

re: #152 allegro

I'm presuming he was talking about after the Emancipation Proclamation and that once freed, they stayed anyway and "chose" white supremacy because they liked it and felt it was the superior system. Astonishing.

Escaping slavery was nearly impossible. That's why Harriet Tubman was such a big deal.

160 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:24:28am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Oh brother. The Breitbrats outdo themselves today.

In a way, it's kind of sad to see what the right wing blogosphere has turned into. But also kind of hilarious.

The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and Raised in Indonesia and Hawaii'

I love the preface:

Note from Senior Management:

Andrew Breitbart was never a "Birther," and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of "Birtherism." In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961.

Having said that, now for some good-old fashioned birtherism!

161 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:25:06am

re: #159 moderatelyradicalliberal

Escaping slavery was nearly impossible. That's why Harriet Tubman was such a big deal.

Its also a big reason why the State's Rights argument is bullshit. Slave states would claim their laws took precedence over free states when it came to hunting down escaped slaves.

163 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:27:12am

Took a lot of bravery to escape slavery firstly for Tubman. And then to go back time and time again to help others. Tough lady. Her place is well earned in American and world history for being tough as nails.

164 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:28:05am

Toy Story stamps!

Cool.

I wonder how many times Harriet Tubman has had a stamp?

Gonna look it up.

165 jaunte  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:28:11am

re: #126 Charles Johnson

The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and Raised in Indonesia and Hawaii'

"The booklet, which is thirty-six pages long, is printed in blue ink (and, on the cover, silver/grey ink), using offset lithography."

Well, that kind of specificity has got to be proof of something, right there.

166 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:29:16am

Speaking of preferential rights:

Missouri House Passes A Bill Allowing Medical Professionals To Deny Women’s Access To Contraception

Most of the opposition in the House came from Democratic lawmakers representing districts near St. Louis and Kansas City who argued the legislation would inhibit access to health care for some Missourians. Several opponents said it seemed the measure was aimed particularly at birth control.

Rep. Stacey Newman, D-St. Louis, said the medical procedures at issue in the legislation would affect women most directly. Speaking with a male opponent of the measure, Newman said, “You will be putting your stamp on what you think I should be doing and also deciding if your religious beliefs will supersede my religious beliefs and my moral convictions.”

167 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:29:32am

re: #165 jaunte

"The booklet, which is thirty-six pages long, is printed in blue ink (and, on the cover, silver/grey ink), using offset lithography."

Well, that kind of specificity has got to be proof of something, right there.

Had to be left-offset of course.

168 Mattand  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:29:43am

re: #161 Kragar

Its also a big reason why the State's Rights argument is bullshit. Slave states would claim their laws took precedence over free states when it came to hunting down escaped slaves.

Which, thanks to George Washington signing the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793, made sure that slave states got their way on this one.

From the "Stuff You'll Never Hear from Fox News or David Barton" Department.

169 darthstar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:30:08am
170 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:30:16am

It appears at least three times.

[Link: www.google.com...]

171 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:30:35am

As a representative of the white male brotherhood, I have to say, minorities and women have absolutely no idea how hard it is for white males to continue the kind of dominance we've held for so many enjoyable years in the current anti-white, anti-male, anti-misogynistic environment.

Damn it, you people are screwing up our privileged position. Next thing you know, we'll be no better off than you!

172 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:31:45am

re: #165 jaunte

"The booklet, which is thirty-six pages long, is printed in blue ink (and, on the cover, silver/grey ink), using offset lithography."

Well, that kind of specificity has got to be proof of something, right there.

Evidence they are overflowing with useless filler.

Spackle for the mind.

173 darthstar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:32:48am
174 sagehen  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:32:55am

re: #161 Kragar

Its also a big reason why the State's Rights argument is bullshit. Slave states would claim their laws took precedence over free states when it came to hunting down escaped slaves.

The CSA constitution also posited a much stronger central government, with considerably weaker states' rights, than the US constitution.

175 Interesting Times  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:33:59am

Symbolism?

176 darthstar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:34:08am

re: #164 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Toy Story stamps!

Cool.

I wonder how many times Harriet Tubman has had a stamp?

Gonna look it up.

I had my own official US Postal stamp BEFORE Ronald Reagan (thank you Stamps.com).

177 b_sharp  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:34:44am

Only Faux News thinks this is important.

Minorities Now Surpass Whites in US Births - Census Shows

178 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:34:54am

re: #174 sagehen

The CSA constitution also posited a much stronger central government, with considerably weaker states' rights, than the US constitution.

Which actually played a role in its crumbling. There were governors within the CSA who didn't like Davis' centralism so they refused to send enough troops and supplies. The whole idea of the CSA was flawed from its start. By the way, my favorite mockumentary of all time is CSA. The best part are the commercials where they use real names of very racially insensitive products/brand names to make modern commercials.

179 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:36:33am

re: #177 Ghost of Insanity

Only Faux News thinks this is important.

Minorities Now Surpass Whites in US Births - Census Shows

How can they be called Americans if they don't come from pure bloodlines?

///

180 lawhawk  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:36:47am

re: #164 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Twice that I can recall. A 13 cent and a 32 cent version. The 13 cent was part of a larger Black Heritage series of commemorative stamps.

/yeah, I collected stamps too...

181 sattv4u2  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:36:58am

re: #177 Ghost of Insanity

Only Faux News thinks this is important.

Minorities Now Surpass Whites in US Births - Census Shows

Saw it on CNN this morning too. Also heard it on a ABC affiliate local station

[Link: inamerica.blogs.cnn.com...]

182 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:37:14am

re: #166 Kragar

Speaking of preferential rights:

Missouri House Passes A Bill Allowing Medical Professionals To Deny Women’s Access To Contraception

So much for individual rights. I really wish these jerks would mind their own business. But hey there is no war on women right?

183 sattv4u2  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:37:22am

re: #180 lawhawk

Twice that I can recall. A 13 cent and a 32 cent version. The 13 cent was part of a larger Black Heritage series of commemorative stamps.

/yeah, I collected stamps too...

you just licked to lick!

184 Sionainn  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:43:47am

re: #102 moderatelyradicalliberal

If Reverend Wright us racist then nearly all black people are racist, myself included. What he said about America is what most of us feel, most of the time. This country is fuck-up and always has been. It only does the right thing when it has to, pulled kicking and screaming after millions of people have suffered outrageously for decades, if not centuries. At least that's our story. Those changes also never with popular support. The Supreme Court or the Congress always has to make the change that popular sentiment would never allow for. That's the real reason why right wingers hate the Feds and "activist" judges since about 1860.

Now, you have a nice day and enjoy the unabashed love of country that your white privilege allows you to have. Must be nice.

Quoted for truth. I never did understand the whole Rev. Wright uproar and what he said that was so awful.

185 Kragar  Thu, May 17, 2012 11:45:45am

re: #184 Sionainn

Quoted for truth. I never did understand the whole Rev. Wright uproar and what he said that was so awful.

Why do you hate America?
/

186 gwangung  Thu, May 17, 2012 12:01:38pm

re: #184 Sionainn

Quoted for truth. I never did understand the whole Rev. Wright uproar and what he said that was so awful.

He got angry.

An angry black man is inherently unAmerican, because he doesn't know his place.

187 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 17, 2012 12:45:46pm

re: #86 harrylook

20 yrs as the spiritual protege of a racist a-hole who you "disowned" when you were absolutely forced to, pretending to be completely unaware of the extremist views of your spiritual mentor = not relevant/racist to bring it up

bullied someone when you were 17 = highly relevant.

Got it.

lol whitey

188 S'latch  Thu, May 17, 2012 1:47:11pm
189 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, May 17, 2012 1:49:13pm

O.T.
My upstairs neighbors still use AOL dial-up on one of their computers (the other one is connected to my wireless) and while swapping printers for them today I had to remove the AOL disk to put the driver install disk for the printer in and then reboot the computer.

The printer install seemed to go normally but then when I attempted to reboot again so that the printer would show up in the quick start menu and installed devices the computer refused to boot. I just get a half second flash of the bios screen followed by a blank screen with a cursor in the top left corner.

I tried F2 for bios menu and only get a keyboard error screen, I tried F12 for the boot menu and get nothing except the same blank screen and cursor. The upstairs neighbor then told me that you cannot boot without the AOL disk being in the drive (wtf?) which was why it was in there to start with. So I tried that too, also with no success.

Does anyone have any clue what the hell is going on here?
(Besides AOL being very bad for your computer, I mean)

190 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, May 17, 2012 2:08:26pm

Uh-oh, I killeded the thread. :(

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 17, 2012 2:30:51pm

re: #86 harrylook

20 yrs as the spiritual protege of a racist a-hole who you "disowned" when you were absolutely forced to, pretending to be completely unaware of the extremist views of your spiritual mentor = not relevant/racist to bring it up

bullied someone when you were 17 = highly relevant.

Got it.

Interesting how you both hype alleged Wright's negative influence (for which there is no evidence; Obama is absolutely unlike today's Wright, and it is plausible that Wright became more radical with time; if Obama knew about his views all the time, surely he would have disowned him much earlier, being an extremely shrewd politician?); and minimize Mitt's responsibility (he was 18, i.e. an adult).

192 Buck  Thu, May 17, 2012 3:57:43pm

re: #184 Sionainn

Quoted for truth. I never did understand the whole Rev. Wright uproar and what he said that was so awful.

You don't think that the "America's chickens are coming home to roost" idea is awful?

You don't think that saying the CIA created AIDs in order to kill African Americans is awful?

OK...

193 Buck  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:01:35pm

re: #184 Sionainn

Quoted for truth. I never did understand the whole Rev. Wright uproar and what he said that was so awful.

"Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me,"

So saying that the Jews control the Whitehouse is regular conversation in your circles, and not awful.

OK....

194 _RememberTonyC  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:49:58pm

this is foolish beyond belief ... only those already NOT voting for Obama care about this crap. For those with a clue, the Prez will run on his record because ALL incumbents do. Judge him on that, not this shit.

195 Patricia Kayden  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:16:52am

So if we can talk about Rev Wright, can we question Romney's Mormon faith? Did he have anything to say about the Church's anti-Black policies, which only ended in the 1970s?

I think Republicans would be smart to leave religion out of this election.

196 harrylook  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:24:50am

re: #102 moderatelyradicalliberal

If Reverend Wright us racist then nearly all black people are racist, myself included. What he said about America is what most of us feel, most of the time. This country is fuck-up and always has been. It only does the right thing when it has to, pulled kicking and screaming after millions of people have suffered outrageously for decades, if not centuries. At least that's our story. Those changes also never with popular support. The Supreme Court or the Congress always has to make the change that popular sentiment would never allow for. That's the real reason why right wingers hate the Feds and "activist" judges since about 1860.

Now, you have a nice day and enjoy the unabashed love of country that your white privilege allows you to have. Must be nice.

I'm white?


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