1 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:31:53pm

An excellent commercial film of the time, thanks for posting it. This was right after the end of World War 2, and everything was in short supply in the UK, including money. There was no question of an average worker or returning serviceman being able to afford the fuel for a car, let alone the car itself. Demand for bicycles was insatiable.

2 dell*nix  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:34:02pm

Modern post war production. Try riding one here in Houston and get run over.

3 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:43:59pm

Gotta love that fresh thread smell!

Evening all. Chelsea beat Bayern Munich in a classic rope-a-dope final in the Champion's League and all is right with the world.

4 sagehen  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:49:11pm

Mark Zuckerberg got married today, to his long-time girlfriend. They kept it secret by inviting everyone to the house for her graduation party (she finished med school last week).

(California is a community property state... every dollar he ever made before today, including the IPO payout, is entirely his. Same for dividends from stock he owned before the wedding. His $1/year salary, plus whatever she earns as a doctor, belongs equally to both of them.)

5 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:07:20pm

re: #4 sagehen

Mark Zuckerberg got married today, to his long-time girlfriend. They kept it secret by inviting everyone to the house for her graduation party (she finished med school last week).

(California is a community property state... every dollar he ever made before today, including the IPO payout, is entirely his. Same for dividends from stock he owned before the wedding. His $1/year salary, plus whatever she earns as a doctor, belongs equally to both of them.)

In the modern world, a rich man needs to protecting his property when marrying. So there's nothing wrong with him timing things as he did. Facebook is his company, and he earned the money.

6 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:16:22pm

Your next film: Power Lines

7 freetoken  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:18:05pm

re: #6 Gus

Progress through capitalism!!

8 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:23:54pm

re: #7 freetoken

Progress through capitalism!!

Careful. You know how some people are always "on." //

9 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:33:52pm

MST3K - A Case of Spring Fever

10 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:37:33pm

I tell ya. Sometimes I think I should be taking a Valium when having to deal with a lot of the strong personalities.

11 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:37:45pm

re: #7 freetoken

Progress through capitalism!!

Commies didn't have electricity? Ayn Rand once claimed that Soviet citizens never smiled, so anything is possible. I do remember hearing in about the second grade that Russian children liked ice cream. It figures.
"Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream."

12 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:39:15pm

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel

Commies didn't have electricity? Ayn Rand once claimed that Soviet citizens never smiled, so anything is possible. I do remember hearing in about the second grade that Russian children liked ice cream. It figures.
"Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream."

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Yeah. Freetoken was being serious.

//

13 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:39:46pm

We now await a 500 page rebuttal.

//

14 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:40:16pm

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel

Commies didn't have electricity? Ayn Rand once claimed that Soviet citizens never smiled, so anything is possible. I do remember hearing in about the second grade that Russian children liked ice cream. It figures.
"Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream."

[Embedded content]

Purity of Essence. Precious Bodily Fluids.

15 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:42:44pm

*sigh* One of these days, I'll realize the futility of arguing with a bigot and just walk away instead of engaging. One of these days...

16 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:47:06pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

In the modern world, a rich man needs to protecting his property when marrying. So there's nothing wrong with him timing things as he did. Facebook is his company, and he earned the money.

The heavenly rays of the sanctity of marriage burn me as I read these words.

17 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:47:32pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

*sigh* One of these days, I'll realize the futility of arguing with a bigot and just walk away instead of engaging. One of these days...

That's always been my policy. Maybe on the internet I'll argue but even then. I like to keep it short. Basically you're trying to engage with zealot that you can't convert even in a 100 years.

18 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:48:23pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

*sigh* One of these days, I'll realize the futility of arguing with a bigot and just walk away instead of engaging. One of these days...

Just mock. It's fun!

19 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:48:32pm

re: #17 Gus

That's always been my policy. Maybe on the internet I'll argue but even then. I like to keep it short. Basically you're trying to engage with zealot that you can't convert even in a 100 years.

I know, I'd have better luck taking a corkscrew to my frontal lobe. But something in me just will not let me back down.

20 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:48:51pm

re: #16 It's a cookbook!

The heavenly rays of the sanctity of marriage burn me as I read these words.

All hail Mark Zuckerberg! For he has given us life and blood. Shelter for us to live in. Olmmmmm.

//

21 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:49:59pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

I know, I'd have better luck taking a corkscrew to my frontal lobe. But something in me just will not let me back down.

What was the who, what, and why?

22 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:50:09pm

I'm heading off to bed. Good night.

23 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:50:22pm

re: #13 Gus

We now await a 500 page rebuttal.

//

Of progress through capitalism? Actually it worked very well until capitalists broke through the separation of economy and state. Would that the Constitutional Father's had been prescient on the power of money. Religion doesn't pose half the threat to our country.

Businesses are now people. Mitt says so, and he is viable presidential candidate.

Gaah! I just threw up a little in my throat.

24 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:52:48pm

I have a confession to make.

I... I want to see Snow White and Huntsman.

There, I said it.

25 Big Joe  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:53:29pm

Huntsman/White 2012

26 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:54:06pm

re: #24 It's a cookbook!

I have a confession to make.

I... I want to see Snow White and Huntsman.

There, I said it.

I'll watch anything that Charlize Theron is in.

27 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:56:30pm

re: #26 austin_blue

I'll watch anything that Charlize Theron is in.

I could very well end up rooting for the Queen because of this.

28 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:56:32pm

re: #26 austin_blue

I'll watch anything that Charlize Theron is in.

Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifianakis: Charlize Theron

29 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:56:56pm

re: #21 Gus

What was the who, what, and why?

Dipshit on another board, who by this point might as well have "Stereotypical conservative" tattooed on his forehead. Cultural views that haven't evolved since 1952, thinks liberals are the root of all of society's problems, believes the reason that society's falling apart is that people aren't big enough assholes anymore, and so forth.

Been having a back and forth with him for hours now about gay marriage, the general theme of his "logic" being that homosexuality is a choice, one that he doesn't accept, and thinks that there's a dark agenda of all gays to force homosexuality on society as a whole. But at the same time, swears that his views have nothing to do with religion.

Oh, and he's a Paulian to boot, which at this point shouldn't shock me one bit.

30 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:58:14pm

re: #23 austin_blue

Of progress through capitalism? Actually it worked very well until capitalists broke through the separation of economy and state. Would that the Constitutional Father's had been prescient on the power of money. Religion doesn't pose half the threat to our country.

Businesses are now people. Mitt says so, and he is viable presidential candidate.

Gaah! I just threw up a little in my throat.

Wasn't it "corporations are people my friend?" Which was followed by a lot of heckling and booing. By a Republican crowd no less. Welcome to the new strange reality of corporate victimhood.

31 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:58:22pm

Reminds me of a story about Winston Churchill. It was 1946 and the new Labour government had started nationalizing all the major industries in Britain (including electric power). Churchill, then the opposition leader, went into the parliamentary men's room and found the Labour PM, Clement Atlee, relieving himself at one end of the long trough-like urinal. Churchill took up a position at the opposite end, a good ten feet away, and proceeded to do the same. Atlee said, "What's wrong, Winston, feeling unsociable today?"
Churchill responded, "No, Clem, it's just that every time you see something big, you try to nationalize it."

32 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:02:30pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

Reminds me of a story about Winston Churchill. It was 1946 and the new Labour government had started nationalizing all the major industries in Britain (including electric power). Churchill, then the opposition leader, went into the parliamentary men's room and found the Labour PM, Clement Atlee, relieving himself at one end of the long trough-like urinal. Churchill took up a position at the opposite end, a good ten feet away, and proceeded to do the same. Atlee said, "What's wrong, Winston, feeling unsociable today?"
Churchill responded, "No, Clem, it's just that every time you see something big, you try to nationalize it."

I really fucking hate urinal troughs.

33 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:05:18pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

Dipshit on another board, who by this point might as well have "Stereotypical conservative" tattooed on his forehead. Cultural views that haven't evolved since 1952, thinks liberals are the root of all of society's problems, believes the reason that society's falling apart is that people aren't big enough assholes anymore, and so forth.

Been having a back and forth with him for hours now about gay marriage, the general theme of his "logic" being that homosexuality is a choice, one that he doesn't accept, and thinks that there's a dark agenda of all gays to force homosexuality on society as a whole. But at the same time, swears that his views have nothing to do with religion.

Oh, and he's a Paulian to boot, which at this point shouldn't shock me one bit.

One has to ask is society falling apart? How when we compare the society of today with those in our past does it match up? What decade should we pick. Are we better of as a society today compared to 1972, 1952, or 1912? What part of society is falling apart? Of course when people like him say "society is falling apart" they're referring to the progression of social issues that have become the norm.

A Paulian in the form of what? A libertarian? A true libertarian shouldn't give a thought about gays or gay marriage other than supporting their choice regardless of origin. They could believe in state regulation of marriage. But a true libertarian would have to support it. Much like Ayn Rand was a strong supporter of abortion rights. There is no dark agenda and it's stupid to think as much. I imagine he spends a lot of time on the internet?

34 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:05:29pm

re: #32 It's a cookbook!

Upding for the nic.

To Serve Man

35 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:06:23pm

re: #30 Gus

Wasn't it "corporations are people my friend?" Which was followed by a lot of heckling and booing. By a Republican crowd no less. Welcome to the new strange reality of corporate victimhood.

It's through the looking glass....

36 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:06:54pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

Upding for the nic.

To Serve Man

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I prefer the arm and the leg.

37 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:07:48pm

re: #35 austin_blue

It's through the looking glass...

38 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:09:40pm

re: #33 Gus

One has to ask is society falling apart? How when we compare the society of today with those in our past does it match up? What decade should we pick. Are we better of as a society today compared to 1972, 1952, or 1912? What part of society is falling apart? Of course when people like him say "society is falling apart" they're referring to the progression of social issues that have become the norm.

He's a child of the 1950s, so of course he measures everything by his childhood memories and finds it lacking. He's completely convinced that part of the downfall of society in America was no-fault divorce. He's absolutely convinced that the statistics show that things were fine and dandy prior to then.

A Paulian in the form of what? A libertarian? A true libertarian shouldn't give a thought about gays or gay marriage other than supporting their choice regardless of origin. They could believe in state regulation of marriage. But a true libertarian would have to support it. Much like Ayn Rand was a strong supporter of abortion rights. There is no dark agenda and it's stupid to think as much. I imagine he spends a lot of time on the internet?

A Paulian in the sense that he's about a libertarian as his personal views allow. Against "big government" and all the "giveaways," but at the same time thinks that legislating morality and utilizing state resources to force people to stay married are okay.

39 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:11:38pm

re: #37 Gus

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If corporations are people, can we place a restraining order against them?

40 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:11:42pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

Upding for the nic.

To Serve Man

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That one is very close to being my number one pick, but Time Enough At Last is just so fucked up beyond words that it's at the top.

41 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:12:06pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

Blaming no-fault divorce? Well damn. People that think that way are pretty extreme on issues. But yeah. These libertarian are basically all about liberty for me but not for thee.

42 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:14:08pm

re: #28 Kragar

Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifianakis: Charlize Theron

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Ok, that's comedy!

43 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:14:50pm

re: #40 It's a cookbook!

That one is very close to being my number one pick, but Time Enough At Last is just so fucked up beyond words that it's at the top.

There was a god in that little corner of the Twilight Zone, and he fucking hated Henry Bemis.

44 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:15:01pm

re: #41 Gus

Blaming no-fault divorce? Well damn. People that think that way are pretty extreme on issues. But yeah. These libertarian are basically all about liberty for me but not for thee.

I love libertarians who are against gay marriage. Those guys are a hoot.

45 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:15:35pm

re: #41 Gus

Blaming no-fault divorce? Well damn. People that think that way are pretty extreme on issues. But yeah. These libertarian are basically all about liberty for me but not for thee.

He's one of those folks with pie-in-the-sky fantasies of what things were like back before "the liberals" ruined everything. You know, those nitwits who are convinced that social stigma or worse kept folks walking the straight and narrow, that things like kids born out of wedlock or men sleeping around were virtually unheard of because society frowned on it.

46 AK-47%  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:17:02pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

Against "big government" and all the "giveaways," but at the same time thinks that legislating morality and utilizing state resources to force people to stay married are okay.

Santorum represented the viewpoint that the breakdown in morality and marriage are the root causes of our economic decline, not the other way around...

Time to call Bicycle Repairman!

Is it a stockbroker? is it a quantity surveryor? Is it a Church Warden? No!

47 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:17:15pm

re: #44 Kragar

I love libertarians who are against gay marriage. Those guys are a hoot.

I know one just like that. Used to belong to some radical student libertarian group back in the 70s. Small government, pro-choice, etc. Right? Well. He can't stand gays. he's not only against gay marriage he just freaks out about gay men. Kind of guy that says "I'm not homophobic, I don't FEAR gays." He just hates them. Libertarian. Oh well. I don't argue with him.

48 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:18:11pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

He's one of those folks with pie-in-the-sky fantasies of what things were like back before "the liberals" ruined everything. You know, those nitwits who are convinced that social stigma or worse kept folks walking the straight and narrow, that things like kids born out of wedlock or men sleeping around were virtually unheard of because society frowned on it.

Rush Limbaugh, John McCain, and Newt Gingrich don't seem to have a problem with no-fault divorce. Ah vell. Is he Catholic?

49 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:19:43pm

re: #40 It's a cookbook!

That one is very close to being my number one pick, but Time Enough At Last is just so fucked up beyond words that it's at the top.

Always sort of thought that "It's A Good Life" was the most fucked up, as nothing's quite as scary as the thought of unlimited power in the hands of a child who has no concept of right and wrong.

50 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:20:49pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

Always sort of thought that "It's A Good Life" was the most fucked up, as nothing's quite as scary as the thought of unlimited power in the hands of a child who has no concept of right and wrong.

I dunno. Always been a kid at heart, so I'd probably shrug it off, sit down, and play GI Joes with him or something...

51 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:22:15pm

re: #48 Gus

Rush Limbaugh, John McCain, and Newt Gingrich don't seem to have a problem with no-fault divorce. Ah vell. Is he Catholic?

I've really no clue, never questioned him on it. Though, like I said, he swears that religion has nothing to do with his views. I personally think he's full of shit, because if he's not actively religious, then he's had religious influence during his life.

52 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:24:23pm

Ugh. Hate to bring up the F-35 again but this is pretty funny.

One version of the plane is designed for the Air Force, the F-35A, which will replace F-16 and F-18 fighter-bombers and the A-10 Thunderbolt ground-attack aircraft.

A second variant, the F-35C, is meant for aircraft carriers and will take the place of the US Navy's F/A-18s. A third version, the F-35B, is a jump jet that is due to succeed the military's aging Harriers.

53 AK-47%  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:26:13pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

I've really no clue, never questioned him on it. Though, like I said, he swears that religion has nothing to do with his views. I personally think he's full of shit, because if he's not actively religious, then he's had religious influence during his life.

I go as far as establishing the direction and nature of their bigotry, make due note and then leave the issue.

Have have been doing that with a religious bigot on a German blogsite I frequent (mostly to practice my written German, I don't get enough opportunity to use it otherwise)

54 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:26:58pm

re: #52 Gus

Ugh. Hate to bring up the F-35 again but this is pretty funny.

I believe it can replace the A-10 when it lands safely with wings torn to swiss cheese and an engine out.

Oh, that's right, there's only one engine...

55 freetoken  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:27:46pm

re: #52 Gus

I wonder if they could come up with a variant that would peel my loquats for me?

56 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:28:09pm

re: #52 Gus

Ugh. Hate to bring up the F-35 again but this is pretty funny.

That was the argument behind pursuing the damn thing in the first place. Some genius(es) at the Pentagon decided that an Air Force fighter could also pull triple duty as a Navy bomb truck and a Marine close-support fighter. Apparently nobody took them aside and reminded them of the last time such an error in judgment was made.

57 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:28:22pm

re: #55 freetoken

I wonder if they could come up with a variant that would peel my loquats for me?

The peeling is part of the journey.

58 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:28:35pm

re: #54 It's a cookbook!

I believe it can replace the A-10 when it lands safely with wings torn to swiss cheese and an engine out.

Oh, that's right, there's only one engine...

Yeah. That sentence is pretty messed up. There are no AF F-18s. I laughed when I saw them mention the F-35 as an A-10 replacement. Just don't see it happening or at least not correctly. The F-35 is another watch.

59 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:28:46pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

That was the argument behind pursuing the damn thing in the first place. Some genius(es) at the Pentagon decided that an Air Force fighter could also pull triple duty as a Navy bomb truck and a Marine close-support fighter. Apparently nobody took them aside and reminded them of the last time such an error in judgment was made.

*giggles*

60 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:29:04pm

re: #52 Gus

Ugh. Hate to bring up the F-35 again but this is pretty funny.

Why does the AF need replacements for a fighter they don't use?

61 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:29:05pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

That was the argument behind pursuing the damn thing in the first place. Some genius(es) at the Pentagon decided that an Air Force fighter could also pull triple duty as a Navy bomb truck and a Marine close-support fighter. Apparently nobody took them aside and reminded them of the last time such an error in judgment was made.

Eek!

62 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:30:08pm

re: #58 Gus

Yeah. That sentence is pretty messed up. There are no AF F-18s. I laughed when I saw them mention the F-35 as an A-10 replacement. Just don't see it happening or at least not correctly. The F-35 is another watch.

Heh. It's "channelnewsasia," not Jane's. :D

63 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:30:15pm

re: #60 Kragar

Why does the AF need replacements for a fighter they don't use?

Exactly. I think they meant F-15.

64 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:30:46pm

re: #63 Gus

Exactly. I think they meant F-15.

F-16, actually. The F-22's supposed to be an F-15 replacement, but the Eagle's still going strong while the Raptor remains grounded.

65 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:32:32pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

F-16, actually. The F-22's supposed to be an F-15 replacement, but the Eagle's still going strong while the Raptor remains grounded.

It would have to be the F-15E Strike Eagle but I doubt that it would happen anytime before 2020.

66 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:32:48pm

I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.

67 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:33:45pm

re: #66 Kragar

I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.

Or a Sparrow missile that worked.

//

68 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:33:52pm

re: #66 Kragar

I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.

It did have it's own unique type of beauty, though.

69 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:34:42pm

re: #68 It's a cookbook!

It did have it's own unique type of beauty, though.

Aesthetics should be secondary for weapons.

70 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:35:16pm

re: #66 Kragar

I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.

I liked the downward ejecting ejection seat of the F-104 myself.

//

71 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:35:31pm

re: #69 Kragar

Aesthetics should be secondary for weapons.

Not fighting you on that, just saying that she's easy on the eyes.

72 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:36:21pm

re: #66 Kragar

I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.

Hell, that's been the point of fighter development in the US for decades now, the pursuit of a fighter that has no need for guns or maneuverability because its radar and stealth will help it wipe the sky of opponents before they can get within range.

73 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:36:44pm

re: #69 Kragar

Aesthetics should be secondary for weapons.

Well. The Phantom was never really known for its looks to be honest. Just for a certain select group of Phantom Phans.

74 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:38:33pm

re: #73 Gus

Well. The Phantom was never really known for its looks to be honest. Just for a certain select group of Phantom Phans.

The F-4 Phantom: the triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.

75 AK-47%  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:38:43pm

re: #73 Gus

Well. The Phantom was never really known for its looks to be honest. Just for a certain select group of Phantom Phans.

they are a menace...

76 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:38:52pm

I was watching an episode of the Avengers cartoon earlier. Hulk throws something at an attack helicopter. You see a puff of smoke and, after that clears, a parachute drifting to earth. I laughed my ass off.

77 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:39:11pm

re: #40 It's a cookbook!

That one is very close to being my number one pick, but Time Enough At Last is just so fucked up beyond words that it's at the top.

There are just a few Speculative Fiction writers whose body of short story work transcends their peers. There is a huge population that generated a few great short stories, but the masters of the form are few and far between. Harlan Ellison, Roger Zelazny, James Tiptree Jr. (Alice Sheldon), Samuel R. Delaney, and Bruce Sterling come to mind. Go to your local used bookstore, buy their collections, and be amazed.

78 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:39:42pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

Hell, that's been the point of fighter development in the US for decades now, the pursuit of a fighter that has no need for guns or maneuverability because its radar and stealth will help it wipe the sky of opponents before they can get within range.

Kill ratios work great as long as the other side is scared of the ratio. Its when they say "20 to 1? Shit, send up 21." that you have a problem.

79 goddamnedfrank  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:39:43pm

More on the Tinley Park restaurant attack. If these guys aren't taking actual credit they're toeing right up to the line, and targeting specific individuals:

On Saturday, May 19th a group of 30 anti-fascists descended upon Ashford House restaurant in the Chicago suburb of Tinley Park where the 5th annual White Nationalist Economic Summit and Illinois White Nationalist Meet-and-Greet was taking place. The White Nationalists were targeted inside the restaurant and physically attacked, causing several injuries and completely shutting down their meeting. The anti-fascist group was privy to anonymous inside information. This fascist event had been in secret planning for six months. The attendees have attempted to cover up the true intent of the event with mainstream media reports initially reporting the white nationalist conference as a wedding party and then as an Irish heritage meeting. The event was advertised on stormfront dot org (edit: URL deliberately broken by GDF to prevent link creation), an established white nationalist fascist internet forum.

I won't supply a link, URL or even a cached version of the page because it contains a hit list of specific individuals with photos and identifying information.

80 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:40:23pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

The F-4 Phantom: the triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.

Let's start first with this brick.

//

81 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:41:14pm

re: #78 Kragar

Kill ratios work great as long as the other side is scared of the ratio. Its when they say "20 to 1? Shit, send up 21." that you have a problem.

I'm reminded of a joke about the German Panthers that everyone here has probably heard already...

82 AK-47%  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:41:44pm

re: #77 austin_blue

R. A. Lafferty

83 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:41:45pm

re: #76 It's a cookbook!

I was watching an episode of the Avengers cartoon earlier. Hulk throws something at an attack helicopter. You see a puff of smoke and, after that clears, a parachute drifting to earth. I laughed my ass off.

Old School G.I. Joe, machine guns, anti aircraft missiles, flame throwers, and every one bales out of their vehicle before it explodes.

I remember watching Robotech when it came on TV when I was a kid and freaking out because it showed characters dying all the time. It was awesome.

84 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:42:52pm

re: #81 It's a cookbook!

I'm reminded of a joke about the German Panthers that everyone here has probably heard already...

I'm reminded of the one about eggs and one basket.

85 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:43:04pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

Hell, that's been the point of fighter development in the US for decades now, the pursuit of a fighter that has no need for guns or maneuverability because its radar and stealth will help it wipe the sky of opponents before they can get within range.

The old Cold War standard was essentially based on suicide missions. Some of which included catching up with Russian strategic bombers and firing of a nuclear Genie missile then escaping that and coming hime, ditching out over sea or somewhere in friendly territory in Europe.

86 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:43:35pm

re: #83 Kragar

Old School G.I. Joe, machine guns, anti aircraft missiles, flame throwers, and every one bales out of their vehicle before it explodes.

I remember watching Robotech when it came on TV when I was a kid and freaking out because it showed characters dying all the time. It was awesome.

I'm not a fan of subjecting kids to images of violence while whitewashing the consequences of said violence. My logic tells me that's even worse.

87 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:44:25pm

re: #84 Kragar

I'm reminded of the one about eggs and one basket.

Two girls? Hell, send in one cup!

88 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:45:28pm

re: #78 Kragar

Kill ratios work great as long as the other side is scared of the ratio. Its when they say "20 to 1? Shit, send up 21." that you have a problem.

I've noticed that kill ratios tend to speak more to the skill of the pilots than the birds they flew. On paper, fighters like the F4F Wildcat and F-86 Sabre were either disadvantaged or barely even in every measurable way to their enemies.

89 Kragar  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:45:30pm

re: #87 It's a cookbook!

Two girls? Hell, send in one cup!

90 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:47:54pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

I've noticed that kill ratios tend to speak more to the skill of the pilots than the birds they flew. On paper, fighters like the F4F Wildcat and F-86 Sabre were either disadvantaged or barely even in every measurable way to their enemies.

Yep. At least in Viet Nam it wasn't until the Top Gun school opened for business. That and figuring out what was going wrong with the Sparrow missile. With the Navy other than the F-8 Crusader you were going in gunless.

91 Targetpractice  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:47:59pm

re: #85 Gus

The old Cold War standard was essentially based on suicide missions. Some of which included catching up with Russian strategic bombers and firing of a nuclear Genie missile then escaping that and coming hime, ditching out over sea or somewhere in friendly territory in Europe.

The 50s and 60s was mostly because raw speed and climb, running on the idea that fighters would be primarily used as interceptors to knock out high-flying intercontinental bombers. Then the 70s saw more emphasis on maneuverability as the art of dogfighting came back in vogue. And the 80s distilled all that, plus started adding stealth in order to regain the edge lost to increasingly faster and smarter enemy fighters.

92 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:48:49pm

re: #66 Kragar

I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.

Interestingly enough, It was an Israeli export version of the F-4 that had the first integral 20 mm gun installed in the wing root.

93 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:49:05pm

Good morning.
I see 000G got banned.
Sigh.

94 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:49:20pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

Good morning.
I see 000G got banned.
Sigh.

Huh?

95 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:50:24pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

Good morning.
I see 000G got banned.
Sigh.

Wha???

96 prairiefire  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:50:36pm

The Spinners:

97 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:51:44pm

Karma: 10,239

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98 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:51:58pm

re: #82 Expand Your Ground

R. A. Lafferty

Ok.

99 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:52:29pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

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That doesn't seem right. I didn't see anything that would lead to that. Nor did I catch any buzz about that about to happen.

100 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:52:32pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

Good morning.
I see 000G got banned.
Sigh.

Huh. Wonder what was said.

101 austin_blue  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:53:08pm

re: #99 Gus

That doesn't seem right. I didn't see anything that would lead to that. Nor did I catch any buzz about that about to happen.

Charles?

102 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:53:36pm

re: #101 austin_blue

Charles?

I just sent him a DM on Twitter.

103 Varek Raith  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:54:33pm

re: #102 Gus

I just sent him a DM on Twitter.

Cool beans.

104 AK-47%  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:54:56pm

re: #96 prairiefire

There were a handful of outstanding songs that came out of the disco era, this was one of my faves.

105 Lidane  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:56:03pm

re: #24 It's a cookbook!

I have a confession to make.

I... I want to see Snow White and Huntsman.

There, I said it.

I'll watch it only because Chris Hemsworth is the Huntsman. I'm also going to wait for it to hit Redbox first, since it's expensive as shit to go to the movies these days. I spent nearly $30 just walking in the door to see The Avengers, and that was before the popcorn and soda. WTF.

106 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:56:33pm

re: #103 Varek Raith

Cool beans.

Yeah. Didn't see or hear about anything that would have led to this so I'm thinking just a wrong mouse click.

107 Mocking Jay  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:59:23pm

re: #105 Lidane

I'll watch it only because Chris Hemsworth is the Huntsman. I'm also going to wait for it to hit Redbox first, since it's expensive as shit to go to the movies these days. I spent nearly $30 just walking in the door to see The Avengers, and that was before the popcorn and soda. WTF.

Were you paying for someone else?

108 prairiefire  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:02:48am

re: #104 Expand Your Ground

In honor of Ms Summer:

109 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:03:12am

re: #91 Targetpractice

The 50s and 60s was mostly because raw speed and climb, running on the idea that fighters would be primarily used as interceptors to knock out high-flying intercontinental bombers. Then the 70s saw more emphasis on maneuverability as the art of dogfighting came back in vogue. And the 80s distilled all that, plus started adding stealth in order to regain the edge lost to increasingly faster and smarter enemy fighters.

Of course the F-86 Sabers were rather nimble.

110 prairiefire  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:03:47am

re: #107 It's a cookbook!

Were you paying for someone else?

Oh, yeah. Several.

111 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:04:31am

re: #107 It's a cookbook!

Were you paying for someone else?

Yeah. I went with the boyfriend. Since he'd paid for us to see The Hunger Games, I paid for The Avengers. Maybe it cost a lot more because we saw it in 3D? Anyhow, it was almost $30 just to walk in the door, and two small drinks, a small popcorn for me and a pretzel for him ran us another $20.

I'm really picky now in terms of what I'll go see in the theaters just because it's so damn expensive. Everything else can wait for Netflix or Redbox.

112 Mocking Jay  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:05:09am

re: #111 Lidane

Yeah. I went with the boyfriend. Since he'd paid for us to see The Hunger Games, I paid for The Avengers. Maybe it cost a lot more because we saw it in 3D? Anyhow, it was almost $30 just to walk in the door, and two small drinks, a small popcorn for me and a pretzel for him ran us another $20.

I'm really picky now in terms of what I'll go see in the theaters just because it's so damn expensive. Everything else can wait for Netflix or Redbox.

Did you at least think it was worth it?

113 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:09:15am

re: #112 It's a cookbook!

Did you at least think it was worth it?

Oh god yes. LOVED it. It's a damn good film. I would actually pay to see it again, which coming from me is a high compliment. If you haven't seen it yet, definitely go.

114 prairiefire  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:10:21am

re: #110 prairiefire

Oh, yeah. Several.

I mean by the way of Mark Ruffalo (excellent) and Robert Downey Jr. (always excellent).
It was good!

115 Mocking Jay  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:11:00am

re: #113 Lidane

Oh god yes. LOVED it. It's a damn good film. I would actually pay to see it again, which coming from me is a high compliment. If you haven't seen it yet, definitely go.

Oh, I've seen it three times...

116 Varek Raith  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:11:42am

*Shakes head*

117 prairiefire  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:15:28am

re: #115 It's a cookbook!

Oh, I've seen it three times...

I have always had a crush on Bill Bixby, but I think that is the best Hulk yet.

118 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:16:26am

Never read superhero comics as a kid, never really got into superhero comic films. Waiting for the next film about the Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots! It'll knock your block off!!!

119 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:16:44am

re: #115 It's a cookbook!

Oh, I've seen it three times...

I've been consumed by it, which has the boyfriend laughing at me because I have never been the comic book type. I read the occasional graphic novel or series like The Walking Dead, but I'm not going to go to the comic book shop and load up on the latest from Marvel and DC every week.

I'm actually hoping they do a SHIELD film. I don't know that Hawkeye and Black Widow could carry their own individual films, but in the context of a SHIELD film with them at the center of it? Yeah, that I'd want to see.

120 Mocking Jay  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:18:37am

re: #119 Lidane

I've been consumed by it, which has the boyfriend laughing at me because I have never been the comic book type. I read the occasional graphic novel or series like The Walking Dead, but I'm not going to go to the comic book shop and load up on the latest from Marvel and DC every week.

I'm actually hoping they do a SHIELD film. I don't know that Hawkeye and Black Widow could carry their own individual films, but in the context of a SHIELD film with them at the center of it? Yeah, that I'd want to see.

To be fair, Renner was the leading man in an Oscar winner, but I concede the point. But fuck that and give us the Black Panther.

121 Kragar  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:21:17am

re: #120 It's a cookbook!

To be fair, Renner was the leading man in an Oscar winner, but I concede the point. But fuck that and give us the Black Panther.

I want some fricking Deadpool.

Or Cloak and Dagger, that would be a pretty cool movie.

122 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:21:23am

re: #120 It's a cookbook!

To be fair, Renner was the leading man in an Oscar winner, but I concede the point. But fuck that and give us the Black Panther.

Oh, Jeremy Renner is a damn good actor. I like him. I don't doubt that he carries his own films. I just don't think that Hawkeye on his own would be good enough for a solo film. Same for Black Widow, since both characters were introduced as SHIELD agents in this movie 'verse. Put the two of them together with Nick Fury and Maria Hill and have SHIELD kick some ass. There's plenty of material there.

123 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:23:05am

re: #121 Kragar

I want some fricking Deadpool.

Or Cloak and Dagger, that would be a pretty cool movie.

I want a real Deadpool, dammit. Smartass guy who breaks the fourth wall and is completely insane and hilarious. It would be nice to see.

Weren't the guys who wrote Zombieland supposed to be doing a Deadpool film?

124 Mocking Jay  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:23:53am

re: #121 Kragar

I want some fricking Deadpool.

Or Cloak and Dagger, that would be a pretty cool movie.

There's been talk of a Cloak and Dagger TV series for a while.

And Deadpool, well, that might've been hobbled by the craptacular Wolverine movie that he was in.

125 Mocking Jay  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:24:42am

re: #123 Lidane

I want a real Deadpool, dammit. Smartass guy who breaks the fourth wall and is completely insane and hilarious. It would be nice to see.

Umm, you know a lot about this for someone who claims to not read the stuff.

Just sayin'...

126 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:27:28am

re: #125 It's a cookbook!

Umm, you know a lot about this for someone who claims to not read the stuff.

Just sayin'...

Haha. I have a boyfriend who has a ridiculous number of comic book longboxes in the house. I may not read a lot of this stuff, but he does and I've learned by osmosis.

He's a Marvel fanboy, so I end up watching every animated film and animated series just because I'll be sitting in the same room working on whatever else. And he'll tell me about whatever the latest storyline that's going on.

127 Mocking Jay  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:28:52am
128 austin_blue  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:32:45am

re: #109 Gus

Of course the F-86 Sabers were rather nimble.

But they had shit engines. The Russian MIGs were worse, but those early J-47s sucked.

129 freetoken  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:40:23am
130 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:44:18am

'Night.

131 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:10:12am

One of the guys arrested and released without charge showed up at DK (not TarheelDem):

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I was one of the people arrested and released... (4+ / 0-)
I would be glad to answer any questions you may have.

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis

by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:18:56 PM PDT

did you see weapons? (1+ / 0-)
Jobs, Jobs, Jobs

by We Won on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:24:04 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

Nope (4+ / 0-)
It was a small apartment. If there were any weapons they were completely out of site and most certainly never brandished.

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis

by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:33:47 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

How about beer? Where they really brewing beer? (0+ / 0-)
Jobs, Jobs, Jobs

by We Won on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:06:58 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

The guy who rented the apartment... (1+ / 0-)
had just moved in and was still in the process of moving both he and his brother's stuff in. I had been staying there since May 1st. I can't remember exactly when they brought in the beer equipment, but I think it was about the end of the first week. Mind you this man is not among those arrested, and has already made a public statement about his beer.

The entire time the beer equipment was there I never saw anyone touch them.

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis

by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:51:14 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

132 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:11:45am

re: #131 May Day! May Day!

Would you have the time to do a diary? (1+ / 0-)
It would certainly be helpful. The hearsay, some of it quite contradictory in detail, makes it almost impossible to pose an intelligent question...

If only donkeys could have elephant balls... Occupy!

by chuckvw on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:26:36 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

Thinking about it, but... (1+ / 0-)
Quite honestly I'm not the best writer, and so much has happened to me the past few days I wouldn't know where to begin. I feel more comfortable just trying to answer questions right now.

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis

by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:37:04 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

Just structure it as a timeline (0+ / 0-)
If you want to message anything to me, I'd be happy to help. Used to be a newspaper copy editor, among other things...

But you're probably tired, too!

If only donkeys could have elephant balls... Occupy!

by chuckvw on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:42:08 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

Extremely tired. (1+ / 0-)
I've been walking all day and was forced to check into a hostel as I've lost track of my friend who was in the march tonight. The police still have my phone and lost my drivers license which is making everything very difficult for me. I will diary tomorrow.

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis

by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:03:22 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

Get some rest (0+ / 0-)
And have a good breakfast! You've spoken to a Guild attorney, yes?

If only donkeys could have elephant balls... Occupy!

by chuckvw on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:15:03 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

Thanks and yes. (1+ / 0-)
I was held over 30 hours without EVER BEING QUESTIONED by police and then suddenly released. The first 18 hours were spent in a place that is known to be a black area that no lawyer has ever been permitted to go to. The NLG lawyer that met with all of us was the first lawyer that's ever been there. Someone has also contacted the ACLU on my behalf.

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis

by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:20:59 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

Where you held separately or together? (0+ / 0-)
Jobs, Jobs, Jobs

by We Won on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:25:49 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

The first 18 hours we were seperated (2+ / 0-)
into individual interrogation rooms. After that we were moved to another jail and put in one large holding cell together. I was in the first group that was released. The next 3 people released later that day told me that they were given separate jail cells shortly after I left. These cells were your typical rows of jail cells and did not prevent people from talking to each other.

"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis

by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 11:05:04 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

*I meant the next two people released. (1+ / 0-)
"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis

by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 11:11:35 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:13:42am

re: #132 May Day! May Day!

For context:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

134 researchok  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:18:06am

Morning, all

135 EdDantes  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:47:52am

When I hear the Avengers, I think of Emma Peel. When I hear Emma Peel, I think of Diana Rigg. When I think of Diana Rigg I remember being a 12 year old boy watching Diana Rigg and thinking things.

136 researchok  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:53:33am

re: #135 EdDantes

I was a bit younger.

I just wanted a steel bowler like John Steed.

137 freetoken  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:00:41am

re: #135 EdDantes

138 EdDantes  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:04:30am

re: #137 freetoken

Reminds me of the opening sequence. She is in black leather high kicking. I'll be back in a minute...

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:50:44am

Headline from the FreeRepublic frontpage just now:

Fags have a Parade in PA

140 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:01:51am

Apparently a black man stabs a white woman. Freepers react:

To: Postman
and the feral black male animal stabbed a female!

War on women, indeed...by the angry blacks living in the best country on the face of the earth.


7 posted on Sun May 20 2012 07:15:28 GMT+0400 (Russische Normalzeit) by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Postman
He should have been put down when the police found him. These animals are not fully domesticated.


8 posted on Sun May 20 2012 07:20:04 GMT+0400 (Russische Normalzeit) by BigCinBigD
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141 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:07:37am

re: #140 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

From another thread about the incident:

To: lowkeys
We need to start eliminating this trash from our society.


15 posted on Sat May 19 2012 20:13:02 GMT+0400 (Russische Normalzeit) by thethirddegree
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[...]

To: Cletus.D.Yokel
They have been doing stuff like this (and worse) in Africa against whites for over a decade, and no one has said a word. They are getting bolder now.. and it is now spreading to America.

Until the whites in charge can shake their white guilt and have the fortitude to do what’s needs to be done, however un-pc it may be protrayed by the lying media, then this will only get worse.

They will pray on older whites first, because they are easy targets, but will eventually get down to the rest of us.


20 posted on Sat May 19 2012 20:18:11 GMT+0400 (Russische Normalzeit) by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. and the economy died.)
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142 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:58:57am

re: #133 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

For context:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Is that the right link? It's a Christie interview on Imus.

143 freetoken  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:10:59am

re: #141 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Yes, the Freepers are Stormfront. Stormfront is the Freepers.

At least the ones who aren't wanting to kill the Jews, that is.

144 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:18:55am

Morning all!

Been awake for a couple of hours and playing on Photoshop. Don't worry, I won't force you to see the results, this time.

How is it going?

145 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:22:49am

'Morning, all.

I've gone back to reading Freep and a spectrum of rw-lw blogs because it gets interesting in election year. Freepers are maintaining their niche, which I place at about an '8' scale towards rw(readable). Their handling of religion is the most characteristic thing about them.

It's good that this crap is coming out in the open.

146 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:24:00am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

'Morning, all.

I've gone back to reading Freep and a spectrum of rw-lw blogs because it gets interesting in election year. Freepers are maintaining their niche, which I place at about an '8' scale towards rw(readable). Their handling of religion is the most characteristic thing about them.

It's good that this crap is coming out in the open.

I don't know dd, If I went over there and read, I'd probably get so mad I've have to make a t-shirt rant about it.

147 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:26:08am

re: #146 ggt

I don't know dd, If I went over there and read, I'd probably get so mad I've have to make a t-shirt rant about it.

Gotta know about this stuff. (And it makes me feel a little better about the local barber shop.)

148 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:26:45am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

I unintentionally lied to you the other day:

Bond OK'd for woman who killed fetus by eating rat poison
Chinese immigrant charged with murdering her fetus says she will fight charges
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

The $50,000 bond Marion County Judge Sheila Carlisle set for 35-year-old Bei Bei Shuai is unusual; defendants in Indiana murder cases are rarely given the chance. Carlisle denied Shuai's bond request last June, but a state appeals court agreed with Shuai's attorneys that there was enough evidence to cast doubt on the murder and feticide charges she faces.
....
Prosecutors argue that Shuai intended to abort the fetus.

Her attorneys, though, contend that she meant to kill herself, not simply end her pregnancy, and that she was suffering from depression.

149 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:30:12am

re: #148 RogueOne

I unintentionally lied to you the other day:

Bond OK'd for woman who killed fetus by eating rat poison
Chinese immigrant charged with murdering her fetus says she will fight charges
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Ah. Don't know that that changes much--I'd expect the prosecutors to put the most criminal face on it and the defense to go most sympathetic. She still seems pretty messed up to use that method and so late in the pregnancy.

150 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:30:16am

re: #148 RogueOne

I unintentionally lied to you the other day:

Bond OK'd for woman who killed fetus by eating rat poison
Chinese immigrant charged with murdering her fetus says she will fight charges
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

HMmmm, this is interesting. I've never heard of fetal homocide. Well, in the of a pregnant women being killed, it counts as 2 murders, but other than that.

151 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:35:03am

Remember the scene in Grease where they talked about Rizzo (?) possibly being pregnant and they heard that if you ride the roller coaster, it would cause a miscarriage?

from Rogue's link at #148

Several medical and women's rights groups, including the National Organization for Women and the National Alliance for Mental Illness, have filed friend-of-the-court briefs in support of Shuai, claiming that prosecuting her could set a precedent under which pregnant women could be prosecuted for smoking or other behavior that might be deemed a danger to the fetus. They said that could discourage women from seeking prenatal care.

Nice the prosecutors in that state are so concerned about the fetus and that they could read the woman's mind as to her intentions. I'd be afraid to get pregnant in some states as it stands.

152 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:36:11am

re: #131 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

A. I want to see the pictures of the supposed Molotov Cocktails.
B. I saw the video they mention in the news story on another site yesterday. I find it highly (HIGHLY!) suspicious that the 3 guys they harassed a few days earlier are the ones that ended up arrested.

Video:

153 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:36:52am

re: #152 RogueOne

A. I want to see the pictures of the supposed Molotov Cocktails.
B. I saw the video they mention in the news story on another site yesterday. I find it highly (HIGHLY!) suspicious that the 3 guys they harassed a few days earlier are the ones that ended up arrested.

Video:

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Chicago cops are taking no shit this weekend. Best to stay out of the City.

154 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:37:20am

re: #150 ggt

HMmmm, this is interesting. I've never heard of fetal homocide. Well, in the of a pregnant women being killed, it counts as 2 murders, but other than that.

That seems like the impetus behind passing such laws, but there is no way to stop them from being 'elaborated' once passed. Bloggers are calling for the anti-Mafia RICO act to be used against political demonstrators. Sloppy wording might be stretched that far.

155 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:38:47am

re: #153 ggt

Chicago cops are taking no shit this weekend. Best to stay out of the City.

Which is precisely their goal.

156 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:39:11am

re: #56 Targetpractice

That was the argument behind pursuing the damn thing in the first place. Some genius(es) at the Pentagon decided that an Air Force fighter could also pull triple duty as a Navy bomb truck and a Marine close-support fighter. Apparently nobody took them aside and reminded them of the last time such an error in judgment was made.

The Air Force doesn't care. Its brass hates the A-10, first for not being a hyper-advanced fighter, and second for being an aircraft designed to 'play second fiddle to the Army'.

157 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:39:33am

I think it boils down to a self-defence issue for women. That somehow our life and well-being is forfeit for a group of cells that have the potential to be a human life pisses me off.

It is something most men can never understand. Although they bear half the responsibility, the Whackos always force the morality on the woman.

158 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:40:34am

re: #151 ggt

They have a point (I think every law can and will be abused) but the feticide law has been around this state for a couple decades now and there isn't much (if any) evidence that the situations they're worried about are occurring and they don't mention any cases in their brief that are similar.

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:41:13am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Which is precisely their goal.

I enjoy the City, but it is a challenge in the best of situations for me. I'm not there on a regular basis so it's easy for me to get turned-around and traffic is always fun.

I heard about the NATO conference and immediately blocked off my calendar to be sure I didn't plan anything.

160 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:41:35am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Which is precisely their goal.

and they make T-shirts too!

Image: 200810011035-tm.jpg

161 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:42:32am

re: #158 RogueOne

They have a point (I think every law can and will be abused) but the feticide law has been around this state for a couple decades now and there isn't much (if any) evidence that the situations they're worried about are occurring and they don't mention any cases in their brief that are similar.

I would probably think of feticide as when someone specifically attacks a pregnant woman in order to kill the fetus. There are the occassional case --usually whackos wanting a baby.

Another reason for safe, legal abortion, IMHO.

162 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:42:34am

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

The Air Force doesn't care. Its brass hates the A-10, first for not being a hyper-advanced fighter, and second for being an aircraft designed to 'play second fiddle to the Army'.

Once you name a plane 'the Aardvark' it's pretty much doomed.

163 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:43:01am

re: #160 RogueOne

and they make T-shirts too!

Image: 200810011035-tm.jpg

Nice to know I'm in good company

???????

164 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:43:47am

re: #160 RogueOne

BTW, that t-shirt was "distributed by the Denver police union during the '08 Democratic National Convention"

165 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:45:43am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Which is precisely their goal.

As it needs to be. A protest that gets out of control would be extremely embarrassing to both Mayor Emmanuel and President Obama. It would also put Obama in the position of supporting a crackdown on the far-left, which he would prefer to avoid. He'll support that if he has to, but he'd prefer not to make "enemies to the left".

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:46:35am

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

As it needs to be. A protest that gets out of control would be extremely embarrassing to both Mayor Emmanuel and President Obama. It would also put Obama in the position of supporting a crackdown on the far-left, which he would prefer to avoid. He'll support that if he has to, but he'd prefer not to make "enemies to the left".

could be that those in charge don't want people getting hurt --especially cops.

167 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:47:39am

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

..... It would also put Obama in the position of supporting a crackdown on the far-left, which he would prefer to avoid. He'll support that if he has to, but he'd prefer not to make "enemies to the left".

If it's true that they were planning on fire-bombing his state HQ....It might be a little late to be worrying about making enemies on the left...

168 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:47:47am

Well, I think I might be able to go back to sleep.

Night all/Morning all!

169 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:50:51am

re: #164 RogueOne

BTW, that t-shirt was "distributed by the Denver police union during the '08 Democratic National Convention"

You haven't seen the t-shirt the gift shop at the NBC Tower in Chicago has been selling, have you?

I work in the NBC Tower and spoke to the gift shop manager about it. He said the biggest buyers were Chicago and Illinois State Police, and the third shipment he got of those shirts was purchased entirely by the state police before it even arrived at the shop.

170 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:53:12am

re: #167 RogueOne

If it's true that they were planning on fire-bombing his state HQ...It might be a little late to be worrying about making enemies on the left...

He'll never win over the true radicals, who have the same sort of problem with compromise that the Paulians do, but he's in a better position if he retains those who allow for some compromise, even if only with liberals.

171 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:55:25am

re: #166 ggt

could be that those in charge don't want people getting hurt --especially cops.

"Police riot".

--The Walker Report

[Link: chicago68.com...]

172 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:04:42am

10 Of The Most Awkward Couples In America
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Image: enhanced-buzz-12128-1337389674-0.jpg

173 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:06:47am

re: #172 RogueOne

10 Of The Most Awkward Couples In America
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Image: enhanced-buzz-12128-1337389674-0.jpg

Isn't there supposed to be some little dude in that group?

174 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:10:03am

re: #173 Decatur Deb

What's wrong with this country when a little old lady can't walk her gimp around town on a leash without people calling them "awkward"?

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:10:49am

re: #142 RogueOne

Is that the right link? It's a Christie interview on Imus.

Yes. It's highly unlikely that the guy who wrote that had anything to do with alleged planned attacks on Obama's office, no matter what dishonest partisans might say.

176 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:14:34am

Found my copy of the Walker Report on the bookshelf. It was between this:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

And this:

[Link: www.blackpast.org...]

I was hoping we might not go this way again.

177 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:19:31am

Another OWS bomb conviction!

Cameraman convicted of obstructing police
[Link: www.nctimes.com...]

After a two-day trial in which attorneys argued over the rights of a citizen or member of the press when dealing with police, a jury on Thursday convicted a photojournalist of obstructing a sheriff's deputy at the scene of a bomb scare.

So far it sounds pretty treacherous but then it gets funny:

Bottle causes panic
The incident began with a bottle of urine on the curb, next to a coffee mug, outside of the prominent Republican congressman's office, not long after a group of Occupy movement protesters had left.

An Issa supporter called his Vista office to report that a demonstrator might intend to splash urine on an Issa staffer. Somehow, that brought the San Diego County sheriff's bomb squad to the scene. Deputies evacuated the building and a 90-minute crisis followed.

Long story short. Cop observes man holding a camera and assumes he's trying to detonate the bottle of urine with his cellphone. Luckily for him the judge didn't buy the prosecutors story or the juries verdict and gives the guy zero time and no probation.

178 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:20:45am

re: #175 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Yes. It's highly unlikely that the guy who wrote that had anything to do with alleged planned attacks on Obama's office, no matter what dishonest partisans might say.

I'm confused. They guy who got arrested wrote the Imus diary last year?

179 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:21:22am

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Found my copy of the Walker Report on the bookshelf. It was between this:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

And this:

[Link: www.blackpast.org...]

I was hoping we might not go this way again.

We'll see. The Chicago police have much better training this time and the protestors are in general much less likely to be violent. It won't be 1968, but if some people start destroying property, then those people are going to get their asses hauled off to jail.

180 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:23:07am

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

We'll see. The Chicago police have much better training this time and the protestors are in general much less likely to be violent. It won't be 1968, but if some people start destroying property, then those people are going to get their asses hauled off to jail.

This won't be '68. Could be '66.

181 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:23:11am

re: #178 RogueOne

Never mind, went back and checked. He is.

182 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:27:23am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

This won't be '68. Could be '66.

Unlikely, but it could happen. It depends on more the protestors than the police.

BBIAB

183 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:49:35am

A Seventh-Grader’s Letter To Ronald Reagan

As a kid, Andy Smith thought the only way he could get his room cleaned was by declaring it a disaster area and requesting disaster relief with the President. Here is President Reagan's response to the boy.
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

184 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:53:16am

The jokes write themselves....

New York man charged with obstruction after police find concealed marijuana
[Link: www.nj.com...]

READINGTON -- A 31-year-old Staten Island, N.Y. man was charged with obstruction of the law and more after he allegedly attempted to conceal marijuana in his rectum, according to State Police at the Perryville station.

Police stopped Lawrence Browning at about 7:15 a.m. on Monday, May 14, near milepost 24.5 on Route 78 westbound in Readington Township.

Trooper Bruce Sanderson approached the vehicle and immediately smelled raw marijuana, police said. Browning and his passenger, Edward Black, 32, also of Staten Island, were removed from the vehicle and searched. Nothing was found during a search of the vehicle, but Trooper Sanderson continued to smell marijuana.

Browning was searched again. Throughout the process he continued to stand awkwardly, police said.

185 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:30:08am

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

The Air Force doesn't care. Its brass hates the A-10, first for not being a hyper-advanced fighter, and second for being an aircraft designed to 'play second fiddle to the Army'.

It is a venerable old tradition that goes back to the days of the Air Superiority theorists: anything that distracts the Air Force from its "primary" task of bombing out the enemy's strategic capabilities is frowned on by the brass.

Which is why the RAF was still sending bombing raids against chemical plants in Mannheim while the German Wehrmacht was pouring over the River Meuse at Sedan to trap the BEF at Dunkirk...

186 RogueOne  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:43:14am

Finally some good news out of Libya:

Libyan convicted in Lockerbie bombing is dead
[Link: www.ktiv.com...]

BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) - Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, a Libyan intelligence officer who was the only person ever convicted in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, died Sunday nearly three years after he was released from a Scottish prison to the outrage of the relatives of the attack's 270 victims. He was 60.

187 Shropshire_Slasher  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:44:32am

re: #156 Dark_Falcon
You can't do ground support doing mach 3, they learned that in 'nam. I know preaching to the choir.
Good morning lizards, "if you find yoursef walking in endless fields do not worry, for you are walking in the fields of elysiun... and you're already dead!"

188 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:58:30am

re: #187 Tommy's cone of shame

You can't do ground support doing mach 3, they learned that in 'nam. I know preaching to the choir.
Good morning lizards, "if you find yoursef walking in endless fields do not worry, for you are walking in the fields of elysiun... and you're already dead!"

"What we do in life, echos in eternity."

Just got back. I woke up to find weak airflow from my furnace/central AC. The reason was a dirty filter. Thankfully, the local Home Depot opens at 8am on Sunday. New filter is in and everything is cool again.

189 Shropshire_Slasher  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:04:22am

Not one stitch of tp in the house...

190 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:05:03am

re: #189 Tommy's cone of shame

Not one stitch of tp in the house...

Just pretend you're a constipated monkey and call a zookeeper...

191 Shropshire_Slasher  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:07:20am

re: #190 Expand Your Ground

I was just going to go outside and rub my ass in the grass like my dogs should (they do it on the carpet)

192 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:13:46am

re: #191 Tommy's cone of shame

I was just going to go outside and rub my ass in the grass like my dogs should (they do it on the carpet)

Better yet, find a 7-11 or a Walgreens instead.

193 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:15:42am

re: #186 RogueOne

Finally some good news out of Libya:

Libyan convicted in Lockerbie bombing is dead
[Link: www.ktiv.com...]

Good. Rot in pieces.

194 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:17:47am

Another arrest in the OWS terrorism plot
Man faces terrorism charges in Molotov cocktail plot

A Northwest Side man has been charged with terrorism and making a false threat, accused of planning to make a Molotov cocktail to be used during the NATO summit.

Sebastian Senakiewicz, 24, of the 3600 block of North Odell Avenue, is the fourth person to be hit with terrorism-related charges this week, but police would not say whether he is connected to three people arrested in a Bridgeport raid earlier this week.
....
Senakiewicz "had been planning/conspiring with more than two other individuals in the building of explosives, including molotov cocktails which were to be used/detonated during the NATO summit," according to the report.

195 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:22:17am

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Another arrest in the OWS terrorism plot
Man faces terrorism charges in Molotov cocktail plot

Objection: Occupy Chicago (OCC) as an organization has not been implicated in this plot. There is no evidence that OCC's official organization (such as it is, though) was in an way aware of or complicit in this plot.

196 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:22:39am

OWS idiots attack police van (video)

More video here: [Link: storyful.com...]

As you can clearly see in the last video he was on the hood on the van voluntarily.

197 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:23:48am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Objection: Occupy Chicago (OCC) as an organization has not been implicated in this plot. There is no evidence that OCC's official organization (such as it is, though) was in an way aware of or complicit in this plot.

Too late. This is going to hang on the Occupy movement like a bad smell...

198 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:27:09am

Motherfuckin' Tennessee? Holy shit...Mornin' all.

199 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:28:26am

re: #197 Expand Your Ground

Too late. This is going to hang on the Occupy movement like a bad smell...

As it should. The movement has been using violence since the very beginning and it has only escalated. The White powder mailings, bomb threats and terror plots are becoming more common. There's an endemic problem with the movement.

200 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:31:15am

re: #197 Expand Your Ground

Too late. This is going to hang on the Occupy movement like a bad smell...

I know. But if I point out facts and lines of reasoning favorable to George Zimmerman (as I have a times in analyzing the criminal case against him), then I must by rights do the same thing for OCC. One must be fair, after all.

201 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:31:39am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

OWS idiots attack police van (video)

More video here: [Link: storyful.com...]

As you can clearly see in the last video he was on the hood on the van voluntarily.

Mornin' KT. Funny thing. I don't see any people attacking the police van.

202 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:31:46am

re: #199 Killgore Trout

As it should. The movement has been using violence since the very beginning and it has only escalated. The White powder mailings, bomb threats and terror plots are becoming more common. There's an endemic problem with the movement.

If it were a movement.

The point I have been making from the very start is that it is not a movement, it is a group of people who have something to protest and come together at the same time and place to voice their protests.

It is a group of individuals. There are some groupings associated with it, most of whom, since they are publicly identifiable, lean towards a provocative-but-peaceful approach.

203 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:34:02am

re: #201 Gus

Mornin' KT. Funny thing. I don't see any people attacking the police van.

The Chicago tribune reporter says they saw at least two people slashing the van's tires, the guys on the hood are there by their own free will.

204 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:34:11am

re: #201 Gus

Mornin' KT. Funny thing. I don't see any people attacking the police van.

It's VIOLENCE AND CHAOS! OWS JUST ATE A GRANDMOTHER AS SHE CROSSED THE STREET! BE AFRAID OF THE ENVIORNMENTALISTS AND UNIONS!

205 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:34:13am

re: #198 darthstar

Motherfuckin' Tennessee? Holy shit...Mornin' all.

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That poll was taken among "all adults". If you read on you'll find that Romney has a 7 point lead among registered voters. His lead among likely voters is probably higher still. Vanderbilt should not have taken the 'all adults' part of the poll at all, as it is deceptive.

206 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:35:19am

re: #203 Killgore Trout

The Chicago tribune reporter says they saw at least two people slashing the van's tires, the guys on the hood are there by their own free will.

Yes. The guy on the hood seemed like a loon. But it didn't look like the end of the world for all involved either.

207 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:35:27am

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

That poll was taken among "all adults". If you read on you'll find that Romney has a 7 point lead among registered voters. His lead among likely voters is probably higher still. Vanderbilt should not have taken the 'all adults' part of the poll at all, as it is deceptive.

Tennessee is headed toward Swingstatesville. Your man needs to start plugging those leaks.

208 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:35:37am

EAT THE RICH! SMASH THE STATE!

209 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:36:32am

re: #208 Killgore Trout

EAT THE RICH! SMASH THE STATE!

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BEHAVE YOURSELVES! BEHAVE YOURSELVES! STOP RAPING PEOPLE! STOP RAPING PEOPLE!

210 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:36:47am

re: #204 darthstar

Actually, the nurse's union protest on Friday was entirely peaceful, and the Chicago Tribune reported it as such.

211 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:37:39am

I'm back.

How is everything?

212 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:38:04am

re: #207 darthstar

If you believe a bad poll like that, then you'll believe any lame swill the left pushes on you.

213 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:38:17am

More projection than an IMAX theater:

Marco Rubio calls Obama most 'divisive figure' in US politics

"The man who today occupies the White House and is running for president is a very different person," Rubio said at a high-profile GOP fundraiser, where he claimed Obama has abandoned the ideals he ran on in 2008. "We have not seen such a divisive figure in modern American history than we have over the last three and one-half years."

Right. Because Barack Obama has gone out of his way to be overly entitled, divisive, refuses to work with his political opponents, and relies on propaganda and ignorance to advance his agenda.

Oh, wait. Sorry. I was thinking about the Republican party. Never mind.

214 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:38:29am

re: #211 ggt

I'm back.

How is everything?

Better.

215 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:38:46am

re: #211 ggt

I'm back.

How is everything?

Just playing "LGF chess." //

216 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:39:27am

re: #213 Lidane

More projection than an IMAX theater:

Marco Rubio calls Obama most 'divisive figure' in US politics

Right. Because Barack Obama has gone out of his way to be overly entitled, divisive, refuses to work with his political opponents, and relies on propaganda and ignorance to advance his agenda.

Oh, wait. Sorry. I was thinking about the Republican party. Never mind.

Actually, Obama does do the items in the bolded section.

217 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:39:28am
218 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:39:59am

re: #208 Killgore Trout

EAT THE RICH! SMASH THE STATE!

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Those are just the same anarchist fucktards that show up at everything from Mother's Day Pet parades to Rodeo Week pancake breakfasts. They're not part of OWS, CNN, MLB, or WKYY in Philadelphia (shout out to Terry Gross!). They're agitator assholes. I didn't realize you and DF were getting hard ons over these people and assuming they were representative of the movements you detest. Now it all makes sense.

With all due respect, you guys are a little loony on this subject.

219 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:40:21am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

Better.

How was it worse?

220 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:40:34am

re: #215 Gus

Just playing "LGF chess." //

Falcon's Black Knight to Gus The Pawn's 6. Checkmate. :D

221 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:40:36am

re: #218 darthstar

Those are just the same anarchist fucktards that show up at everything from Mother's Day Pet parades to Rodeo Week pancake breakfasts. They're not part of OWS, CNN, MLB, or WKYY in Philadelphia (shout out to Terry Gross!). They're agitator assholes. I didn't realize you and DF were getting hard ons over these people and assuming they were representative of the movements you detest. Now it all makes sense.

With all due respect, you guys are a little loony on this subject.

WHYY

222 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:41:05am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

Actually, Obama does do the items in the bolded section.

Bullshit. Total bullshit. Stop buying into the NRO and Faux News lies and pay attention for once.

The GOP has made it their mission since day one to make him fail and to oppose him at every turn. Fuck them.

223 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:41:14am

re: #219 ggt

How was it worse?

I had to change my furnace/central AC's air filter.

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:41:32am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

I had to change my furnace/central AC's air filter.

That is a bad thing?

225 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:42:01am

re: #222 Lidane

Bullshit. Total bullshit. Stop buying into the NRO and Faux News lies and pay attention for once.

The GOP has made it their mission since day one to make him fail and to oppose him at every turn. Fuck them.

Naw, they are to busy being distracted by the Barbie Dolls.

226 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:42:58am

re: #221 Gus

WHYY

Oops...Typing in bed with a cat under one arm and the wife under the other...missed that. Sorry, Terry.

227 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:43:10am

re: #218 darthstar

Those are just the same anarchist fucktards that show up at everything from Mother's Day Pet parades to Rodeo Week pancake breakfasts. They're not part of OWS, CNN, MLB, or WKYY in Philadelphia (shout out to Terry Gross!). They're agitator assholes. I didn't realize you and DF were getting hard ons over these people and assuming they were representative of the movements you detest. Now it all makes sense.

With all due respect, you guys are a little loony on this subject.

Don't make me part of this! I just defended OCC on this thread. I don't like that group, and I hope they wither away, but I do not blame them for things that they do not do.

228 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:43:39am
229 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:43:56am

re: #218 darthstar

Those are just the same anarchist fucktards that show up at everything from Mother's Day Pet parades to Rodeo Week pancake breakfasts. They're not part of OWS, CNN, MLB, or WKYY in Philadelphia (shout out to Terry Gross!). They're agitator assholes. I didn't realize you and DF were getting hard ons over these people and assuming they were representative of the movements you detest. Now it all makes sense.

With all due respect, you guys are a little loony on this subject.

The plot to blow up the bridge and this latest plot in Chicago were both planned by anarchists who were long time participants in OWS. The inclusion of anarchists in OWS was a very bad idea.

230 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:44:18am

re: #224 ggt

That is a bad thing?

No, the bad thing is that it wasn't working right before I changed it. After I changed the filter, things got better.

231 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:44:31am

And here I thought the GOP was all about rich people going Galt. Cue the RWNJs going after Boehner for this:

Eduardo Saverin Bill Backed By John Boehner

Eduardo Saverin's decision to renounce his United States citizenship in order to avoid paying taxes on his Facebook stock was "absolutely outrageous," House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told ABC's George Stephanopolous on "This Week."

Boehner said that his move was "already against the law," likely referring to legislation written in the 1990s by now-Sen. Jack Reed (R-R.I.).

Saverin, a Facebook cofounder, could save tens or hundreds of millions in taxes by ditching his American citizenship. In a statement responding the outcry, Saverin said that it was unfortunate that his personal decision had created "a public debate." But if there is a debate about his behavior, it's decidedly one-sided, with everyone from Boehner to Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer on the same side, and Saverin and Rush Limbaugh on the other.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:44:32am

anarchists? for real?

233 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:44:36am

re: #222 Lidane

Bullshit. Total bullshit. Stop buying into the NRO and Faux News lies and pay attention for once.

The GOP has made it their mission since day one to make him fail and to oppose him at every turn. Fuck them.

You're talking to a wall.

234 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:44:41am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Don't make me part of this! I just defended OCC on this thread....

Saw that. Made my eyes pop out of my head.

235 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:45:38am

re: #231 Lidane

And here I thought the GOP was all about rich people going Galt. Cue the RWNJs going after Boehner for this:

Eduardo Saverin Bill Backed By John Boehner

Sure, and when they stop putting their money in off-shore accounts to dodge taxes they can pass their bill.

/gah

236 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:45:54am

re: #231 Lidane

And here I thought the GOP was all about rich people going Galt. Cue the RWNJs going after Boehner for this:

Eduardo Saverin Bill Backed By John Boehner

I'm a little confused because last I read Eduardo Saverin was going to pay his taxes.

237 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:46:54am

re: #229 Killgore Trout

The plot to blow up the bridge and this latest plot in Chicago were both planned by anarchists who were long time participants in OWS. The inclusion of anarchists in OWS was a very bad idea.

They included themselves. That is what OWS is about.

238 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:47:10am

re: #229 Killgore Trout

The plot to blow up the bridge and this latest plot in Chicago were both planned by anarchists who were long time participants in OWS. The inclusion of anarchists in OWS was a very bad idea.

Inclusion? They're uninvited guests, at best. You still think they're part of the "organized" group we call the occupy movement (which still, by the way, has no actual organization, but is just a bunch of grass-roots activists from around the country).

239 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:47:28am

re: #236 Gus

I'm a little confused because last I read Eduardo Saverin was going to pay his taxes.

When has reality ever gotten in the way of politics?

240 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:47:54am

I don't like any of those guys though. The turds that started Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.

241 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:51:25am

re: #240 Gus

I don't like any of those guys though. The turds that started Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.

I'm not sure any of them had an opinion of you . . .

242 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:51:39am

re: #240 Gus

I don't like any of those guys though. The turds that started Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.

I don't mind them. I don't begrudge them their success, either.

I just think it's hilarious that anyone in the GOP is complaining about a billionaire leaving the country.

243 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:52:02am

re: #239 Lidane

When has reality ever gotten in the way of politics?

I could have been wrong. Anywho. Americans like to lick boots so I'll let people lick the boots of Eduardo Saverin and Mark Zuckerberg. In the end the billions Facebook makes will hardly make the jobs that that same sum would have made decades ago. It's still a rather closed system no reflective of traditional American ingenuity and enterprise. Technologically Facebook has made no advances.

244 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:52:07am

Anti-fascists Attack White Nationalists in Chicago Suburb

“Tables were being thrown and chairs were broken,” the employee said. “Then they were gone. They flashed in and out. They had people waiting for them outside.”

The assailants attacked at least one restaurant employee, the employee said. They also painted something unclear on a restaurant wall, the employee said.
....
Up to 20 people clad in black clothing and wearing black hoods walked into the Ashford House Restaurant in Tinley Park and began attacking patrons inside the restaurant with hammers and clubs, witnesses said.

245 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:52:18am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

Actually, Obama does do the items in the bolded section.

That's a completely false statement. Obama has repeatedly worked with Republicans on a large number of issues. If you mean that he doesn't give in 100% to the demands of Republicans, that's true.

246 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:52:36am

re: #241 ggt

I'm not sure any of them had an opinion of you . . .

Yes GGT. I'm sure you don't have any opinions of others either.

247 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:53:55am

re: #231 Lidane

And here I thought the GOP was all about rich people going Galt. Cue the RWNJs going after Boehner for this:

Eduardo Saverin Bill Backed By John Boehner

John Boehner wants to be House Speaker. Backing Saverin's obvious tax dodge would only help Boehner lose that job. Rush can fire up his ditto-heads in response, but ditto-heads are not a majority in the Speaker's district in Ohio.

248 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:55:42am

re: #246 Gus

Yes GGT. I'm sure you don't have any opinions of others either.

No, none at all. I'm poli-neutral.

/:0

249 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:58:16am

re: #243 Gus

Facebook has done one thing, along with Twitter -- it created another bubble that is set to burst at some point:

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

I like both Facebook and Twitter, but there's got to be a point where one or both of them gives way to something new.

250 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:58:47am

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Anti-fascists Attack White Nationalists in Chicago Suburb

This bunch "Anti-Racist Action" (ARA) predates Occupy by a number of years. I don't know of any of ARA acts of violence at any Occupy events or camps, nor has Occupy ever voted support of any ARA violence.

251 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:01:06am

Everyone I disagree with is part of an enormous (fill in blank)-wing conspiracy.

252 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:01:28am

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

This bunch "Anti-Racist Action" (ARA) predates Occupy by a number of years. I don't know of any of ARA acts of violence at any Occupy events or camps, nor has Occupy ever voted support of any ARA violence.

Agreed but even the koskidz are speculating that these people were possibly in town for the nato protests. I wouldn't pin this directly on OWS but it might be related.

253 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:01:52am

re: #249 Lidane

Facebook has done one thing, along with Twitter -- it created another bubble that is set to burst at some point:

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

I like both Facebook and Twitter, but there's got to be a point where one or both of them gives way to something new.

Always. I'm old enough to have seen these things come and go. Just a big yawn from me. I like Twitter but if it went belly up tomorrow I would move on to something else.

254 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:04:22am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Agreed but even the koskidz are speculating that these people were possibly in town for the nato protests. I wouldn't pin this directly on OWS but it might be related.

LOL

255 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:06:10am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Agreed but even the koskidz are speculating that these people were possibly in town for the nato protests. I wouldn't pin this directly on OWS but it might be related.

In that sense, you are correct.

One point of terminology: Given that different "Occupy" groups around the US have had varying degrees of law-breaking (Occupy San Francisco has been non-violent while Occupy Oakland has been seriously violent), i would ask that we identify any Occupy groups by their city. In that vein, I call Occupy Chicago OCC (OC in my mind refers to Orange County), and I ask you to do the same.

256 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:06:51am

re: #237 Expand Your Ground

They included themselves. That is what OWS is about.

Obvious is obvious. But not to all.

257 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:08:46am

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Anti-fascists Attack White Nationalists in Chicago Suburb

Wow! Looks like a very well-planned large scale assault. Even if the targets are whack-job racists, organized political violence is beyond the pale in this country and the captured perps need to go away for a long time.

Drudge has headlined this today, along with numerous other stories of violence and chaos from Chicago. The headline on the restaurant attack links to a Sun-Times story that does not mention the victimized "diners" being a gang of racists. It does mention that the victims were all from "out of state."

258 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:10:00am

They could hold the NATO meetings at a sub-station in the Antarctic and groups of protesters would show up just to make the local penguins look bad.


"Ack! Ack!"

259 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:11:58am

outta here.

Have a great day all!

260 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:12:04am

re: #258 darthstar

They could hold the NATO meetings at a sub-station in the Antarctic and groups of protesters would show up just to make the local penguins look bad.

Exactly.

261 Renaissance_Man  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:12:13am

re: #258 darthstar

They could hold the NATO meetings at a sub-station in the Antarctic and groups of protesters would show up just to make the local penguins look bad.

"Ack! Ack!"

Oh dear God, and then we'd have to put up with KT posting endless clips from Happy Feet like it proves something.

262 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:12:19am

re: #257 Shiplord Kirel

Wow! Looks like a very well-planned large scale assault. Even if the targets are whack-job racists, organized political violence is beyond the pale in this country and the captured perps need to go away for a long time.

Drudge has headlined this today, along with numerous other stories of violence and chaos from Chicago. The headline on the restaurant attack links to a Sun-Times story that does not mention the victimized "diners" being a gang of racists. It does mention that the victims were all from "out of state."

There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.

263 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:13:08am

re: #261 Renaissance_Man

Oh dear God, and then we'd have to put up with KT posting endless clips from Happy Feet like it proves something.

March of the Penguins is clearly an anarchist conspiracy.

///

264 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:13:30am

re: #262 Killgore Trout

There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.

We should probably find out where they live and bulldoze their homes.

//

265 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:14:11am

re: #257 Shiplord Kirel

Wow! Looks like a very well-planned large scale assault. Even if the targets are whack-job racists, organized political violence is beyond the pale in this country and the captured perps need to go away for a long time.

Drudge has headlined this today, along with numerous other stories of violence and chaos from Chicago. The headline on the restaurant attack links to a Sun-Times story that does not mention the victimized "diners" being a gang of racists. It does mention that the victims were all from "out of state."

Really, this next vid is mandatory for this story:

266 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:14:46am

re: #261 Renaissance_Man

Oh dear God, and then we'd have to put up with KT posting endless clips from Happy Feet like it proves something.

Watching Happy Feet makes me want to kill penguins...and they apparently don't taste very good.

267 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:16:15am

I think it's funny to see all of the neutrality about George Zimmerman yet with other criminal suspects no amount of neutrality with the added massive conspiracy theories before even have on single piece of evidence. Not a big deal for me. Internet people will be internet people.

268 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:16:38am

re: #262 Killgore Trout

There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.

The local Scottish festival in the Chicago metro area is the "Highland Games", and they don't advertise on Stormfront. Don't take your dislike of left-wing nut jobs so far that you end up covering for right-wing nut jobs.

269 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:17:44am

re: #262 Killgore Trout

There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.

I'm pissed off that they blamed the Irish. I have half a mind to go to their hospitals and put ice in their bedpans.

270 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:18:29am

re: #269 darthstar

I'm pissed off that they blamed the Irish. I have half a mind to go to their hospitals and put ice in their bedpans.

The Irish. What are they good for besides organizing parades and putting out fires.

//

271 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:18:44am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

word

272 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:19:24am

re: #270 Gus

The Irish. What are they good for besides organizing parades and putting out fires.

//

Baptizing babies.

273 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:20:41am

re: #270 Gus

The Irish. What are they good for besides organizing parades and putting out fires.

//

Running Chicago for decades on end.

274 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:20:55am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

I'm not covering for them, just noticing that none of the articles mention who the victims were. It does seem that they were indeed white supremacists.
Anti-Racist Action Group Claims Credit for Attack Inside Chicagoland Restaurant

The apparent other side of this story developed in the comments section of an article by the Tinley Park Patch, one of AOL’s subsidiary websites devoted to “hyper-local” news. The attack was reported there (and elsewhere) as a strange, random incident possibly linked to the Occupy-associated anti-N.A.T.O. protests that have been revving up in downtown Chicago since mid-week.

A message thread at Stormfront.org dating back to April matches Anti-Racist Action’s statements regarding the date and nature of the meeting. User “Sgathaich” posted about the event on April 3 and added, “If you are a business owner/self employed bring your info. All ideas are welcome. White’s working for White’s [sic]. White’s supporting White’s [sic]. We are taking back what is ours.”

275 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:21:41am

re: #270 Gus

The Irish. What are they good for besides organizing parades and putting out fires.

//

Also starting fires.

276 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:22:04am

re: #275 Obdicut

Also starting fires.

That was the cow!

277 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:22:43am

re: #276 darthstar

That was the cow!

Oh Mrs. O'Leary.

//

278 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:22:55am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

I'm not covering for them, just noticing that none of the articles mention who the victims were. It does seem that they were indeed white supremacists.
Anti-Racist Action Group Claims Credit for Attack Inside Chicagoland Restaurant

The same unnamed employee told Patch that the woman who made reservations for the group that was attacked claimed they travel the country touring ‘Irish festivals.’

279 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:24:10am
280 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:25:13am

You see. Chicago has a long history with bullshit.

//

281 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:28:16am

re: #262 Killgore Trout

There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.

The thugs from ARA call the event the "White Nationalist Economic Summit" and name 3 well-known white supremacists as having attended. One of them, CCC and Stormfront puke Brandon Spiller, was treated at a hospital for his injuries. I won't link to their article because it includes home address information. The other two, Beckie Williams and Thomas Stuart Burns, are well-known white nationalists with connections to CCC and various other racist groups. All have Stormfront handles. Williams, in fact, is one of the top Stormfront posters ("SGATHAICH").

282 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:29:07am

re: #279 Gus

Mooo!

Image: 36844.jpg

The famed Union Stockyards. Back when Chicago was know as "Hog Butcher to the World", and slaughtered cattle by the hundreds of thousands each year. Nowadays, a slaughterhouse in an urban area would be picketed by lefties non-stop, so they tend to be in more remote areas (though livestock are still transported through Chicago by trains on their way to slaughter).

I must also note, to come back to the main topic, that the Union Stockyards were the setting of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle".

283 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:31:53am

re: #281 Shiplord Kirel

The thugs from ARA call the even the "White Nationalist Economic Summit" and name 3 well-known white supremacists as having attended. One of them, CCC and Stormfront puke Brandon Spiller, was treated at a hospital for his injuries. I won't link to their article because it includes home address information. The other two, Beckie Williams and Thomas Stuart Burns, are well-known white nationalists with connections to CCC and various other racist groups. All have Stormfront handles. Williams, in fact, is one of the top Stormfront posters ("SGATHAICH").

Dirtbags all, and none here should shed any tears for them. But we should take note that ARA violated their rights. Even racist dirtbags have the right to free assembly and to their own body not being attacked, and ARA violated those rights.

284 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:38:29am

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

White Supremacists assassinated to ARA leaders back in '98. It's been pretty violent since then, in lots of small confrontations. This seems bigger, but maybe it just got reported on.

285 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:39:06am

Hey... warn't Obama from Chicago?

Hm...

286 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:43:56am

You know how people are always talking about "if you could go back in time and assassinate Hitler?" Today, how would people react if there was an attack in a modern day Hofbrauhaus Sterneckerbräu? Hitler would have been assassinated and people would have been asking "moral questions." Maybe the ARA is from the future.

//

287 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:45:10am

Woosh!

288 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:48:42am

re: #286 Gus

Maybe the guy who pushed me off a roof was actually doing me a favor.

289 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:50:00am

re: #284 Obdicut

White Supremacists assassinated two ARA leaders back in '98. It's been pretty violent since then, in lots of small confrontations. This seems bigger, but maybe it just got reported on.

I'm presuming you meant 'two', and I thank you for the information.

290 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:50:04am

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

Dirtbags all, and none here should shed any tears for them. But we should take note that ARA violated their rights. Even racist dirtbags have the right to free assembly and to their own body not being attacked, and ARA violated those rights.

If they persist with these assaults, and they might if they get away with it this time, a real tragedy is almost inevitable. Spiller had this to say in a now deleted comment at Patch News:

I had my gun in my car but couldn't get it to it due to Illinois law. If I was able to CCW they would have been stopped and I wouldn't have been typing this from the hospital.

Nazis like guns and they aren't always so punctilious about local law, even where this does not allow them to go armed (they are ALWAYS armed where it is legal). They play for keeps, ARA folk. If you go down the road of violence, be prepared for the consequences.

291 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:51:37am

re: #288 Obdicut

Maybe the guy who pushed me off a roof was actually doing me a favor.

I'd explain further but I'll leave it at that.

292 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:53:02am
293 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:55:22am

re: #290 Shiplord Kirel

If they persist with these assaults, and they might if they get away with it this time, a real tragedy is almost inevitable. Spiller had this to say in a now deleted comment at Patch News:

Nazis like guns and they aren't always so punctilious about local law, even where this does not allow them to go armed (they are ALWAYS armed where it is legal). They play for keeps, ARA folk. If you go down the road of violence, be prepared for the consequences.

And I need to point out that if Spiller or one of the Nazis had gotten a gun and started shooting the ARA attackers, his actions would have almost certainly ruled "defense of self and others". ARA is asking to get shot pulling shit like this.

294 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:59:40am

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

And I need to point out that if Spiller or one of the Nazis had gotten a gun and started shooting the ARA attackers, his actions would have almost certainly ruled "defense of self and others". ARA is asking to get shot pulling shit like this.

Absolutely. If they go after someone with a hammer or a club, it's lethal force and the law allows gunfire in response.
Can you imagine the publicity? It would be huge propaganda coup for racist elements, and ARA seems hell-bent on setting it up.

295 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:01:53am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Don't make me part of this! I just defended OCC on this thread. I don't like that group, and I hope they wither away, but I do not blame them for things that they do not do.

1 up for loyalty to facts over perceptions as best ya can.

296 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:11:51am

re: #295 Daniel Ballard

1 up for loyalty to facts over perceptions as best ya can.

Thank you.

297 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:24:08am

If Stormfront and the Black Bloc decide to kick the shit out of each other I will be compelled to post a strongly-worded comment.

298 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:26:42am

Thought I'd check out the freeper response to the Chicago incident.
(I actually typed "feverswamp" in the URL line at first. Hey, I'll be 63 next month, what can I say?)
I soon came to my senses and made the necessary correction. The swampers have 2 threads. Their initial assumption was that the attackers were a "feral mob" of black teenagers, as per years of Drudge indoctrination. Now, with the revelation that the perps were white and the victims Nazis, the swampers are milling around in some confusion.

299 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:31:42am

re: #298 Shiplord Kirel

Thought I'd check out the freeper response to the Chicago incident.
(I actually typed "feverswamp" in the URL line at first. Hey, I'll be 63 next month, what can I say?)
I soon came to my senses and made the necessary correction. The swampers have 2 threads. Their initial assumption was that the attackers were a "feral mob" of black teenagers, as per years of Drudge indoctrination. Now, with the revelation that the perps were white and the victims Nazis, the swampers are milling around in some confusion.

Prediction: They'll soon discover that "Soros is behind ARA, and ordered the attack to keep brave men and women from informing Real America about Teh Troof about his eeeevvviilll plans to turn the US into a socialist dictatorship!!1" Those assholes are nothing if not predictable.

300 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:33:44am

Maybe Hoops is watching Indy qualifying.. But Kathryn Legge just qualified for her first Indy 500

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

301 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:34:25am

re: #298 Shiplord Kirel

Now, with the revelation that the perps were white and the victims Nazis, the swampers are milling around in some confusion.

Boy, that must have fucked with their view of the world. After all, the only white people that are violent against other white people are "lone wolves", not part of a mob.

///

302 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:43:19am

BBL

303 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:43:42am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

ARA, in general, are very socially liberal, so that's a good bet.

304 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:44:00am

A second new arrest in the Occupy terror plot
2 more activists charged as part of ongoing investigation related to NATO summit in Chicago

Prosecutors say two men will make initial appearances in court in Chicago as part of what they describe as an ongoing investigation of activists who planned to take part in demonstrations at the two-day NATO summit.

The Cook County State Attorney's office said in a statement Sunday that 28-year-old Mark Neiweem is charged with attempted possession of explosives or incendiary devices and 24-year-old Sebastian Senakiewicz (sehn-uh-KAY'-vich) is charged with falsely making a terrorist threat.

Prosecutors are expected to offer more details at the hearing later Sunday.

306 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:47:58am

re: #305 Lidane

*sigh*

RNC Chairman Says Republican Proposal For $10 Million Of Race-Baiting Anti-Obama Attack Ads Is Obama’s Fault

He cannot denounce it, if he does, he gets labelled "Obama Lover" and loses his job.

307 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49:12am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

charged with falsely making a terrorist threat.

How does one "falsely" make a terrorist threat?

Either you make a threat, or you don't!

308 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49:52am

re: #307 sattv4u2

charged with falsely making a terrorist threat.

How does one "falsely" make a terrorist threat?

Either you make a threat, or you don't!

He'd be off the hook if he followed through.

309 blueraven  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:50:16am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

A second new arrest in the Occupy terror plot
2 more activists charged as part of ongoing investigation related to NATO summit in Chicago

Occupy? I see no mention of any Occupy connection.

310 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:51:24am

re: #308 Decatur Deb

He'd be off the hook if he followed through.

Thank God I made off with that satchel of cash from my local bank branch yesterday.
If not i'd be in jail for "falsely" trying to rob a bank!

311 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:51:39am

re: #309 blueraven

Occupy? I see no mention of any Occupy connection.

Duh. Anarchists are protesting something. Clearly it's Occupy related.

312 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:52:03am

re: #309 blueraven

Occupy? I see no mention of any Occupy connection.

The ends justify the means with Occupy LGF.

313 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:52:21am

Not that I condone their actions, but the ARA did demonstrate one thing...White Supremacists are pussies.

314 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:53:41am

re: #311 Lidane

Duh. Anarchists are protesting something. Clearly it's Occupy related.

They're protesting their fate...in five years they'll all be graduating business majors entering the world as young Republicans.

315 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:53:46am

re: #311 Lidane

Duh. Anarchists are protesting something. Clearly it's Occupy related.

Breaking: man steals cigarettes, has dreads and smells like patchouli. Suspected of attending Occupy protests.

316 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:54:46am

re: #313 darthstar

Not that I condone their actions, but the ARA did demonstrate one thing...White Supremacists are pussies.

These are people who have never developed any of the character traints that make up real manhood, which is why they cling so closely to all the symbols and trappings associated with it.

317 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:54:58am

re: #309 blueraven

Occupy? I see no mention of any Occupy connection.

The original 3 are long time OWS protesters, were in town for the occupy protests and assembling bombs and making plans in an apartment housing occupy protesters. Stop making excuses. Is pointless at this stage, even the MSM is noticing.
"occupy terrorist"

318 blueraven  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:55:03am

re: #311 Lidane

Duh. Anarchists are protesting something. Clearly it's Occupy related.

Right. Anarchist and black bloc tactics have only been around since the Occupy movement. //

319 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:55:26am

More details:

Tinley Park brawl between white supremacists, 'anti-racists'

The "anti-fascists" boasted of the violent attack on their own website, promising more to come. The first of four key unity principles cited on the website states: "Whenever fascists are active or organizing in public, we're there. We don't believe in ignoring them or staying away from them. Never let the Nazis have the street."

Apparently they don't believe in letting the Nazis have dinner either.

One witness told Fox Chicago News that, just before the brawl, the attackers gathered in a lot near the restaurant. They were dressed entirely in black, wearing hoodies and bandannas to conceal their identity. He said the attackers were all white, including a mix of young men and women who may have been in their 20s. He said they loudly chanted political slogans. Then, armed with baseball bats, nunchuks and hammers, they ran screaming through the restaurant's front door. "

What a bunch of fools. Jail the lot of them.

320 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:55:59am

re: #314 darthstar

They're protesting their fate...in five years they'll all be graduating business majors entering the world as young Republicans.

As someone with two business degrees, I can say with certainty that I'm not a Republican. One doesn't lead into the other, especially if you're taught to look at more than just the bottom financial line.

321 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:56:59am

re: #316 Expand Your Ground

These are people who have never developed any of the character traints that make up real manhood, which is why they cling so closely to all the symbols and trappings associated with it.

That's why I don't fear conservative separatists/militias. They're basically as big a threat to America as Renaissance nerds when you come right down to it...though Renaissance nerds actually engage in hand to hand combat.

322 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:57:12am

re: #320 Lidane

As someone with two business degrees, I can say with certainty that I'm not a Republican. We can't all be doesn't lead into the other, especially if you're taught to look at more than just the bottom financial line.

We can't all be Anthropology majors.

323 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:58:10am

re: #321 darthstar

That's why I don't fear conservative separatists/militias. They're basically as big a threat to America as Renaissance nerds when you come right down to it...though Renaissance nerds actually engage in hand to hand combat.

No, most of them are bullshitters, but they provide the seedbed where McVeighs are grown.

324 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:58:26am

re: #319 Shiplord Kirel

Nunchuks?

325 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:58:39am

re: #321 darthstar

That's why I don't fear conservative separatists/militias. They're basically as big a threat to America as Renaissance nerds when you come right down to it...though Renaissance nerds actually engage in hand to hand combat.

And not only that, you get to see wenches eating delicious turkey legs!!

326 blueraven  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:59:15am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

The original 3 are long time OWS protesters, were in town for the occupy protests and assembling bombs and making plans in an apartment housing occupy protesters. Stop making excuses. Is pointless at this stage, even the MSM is noticing.
"occupy terrorist"

That's pretty funny KT. Also, lame.

327 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:59:32am

re: #323 Decatur Deb

No, most of them are bullshitters, but they provide the seedbed where McVeighs are grown.

Yeah...that's the downside and I thought about it. But if they don't inspire the occasional nut then some church will. Human nature and all that.

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:00:39am

re: #262 Killgore Trout

There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.

There's a problem with Celtic festivals?

329 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:01:05am

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a problem with Celtic festivals?

Too much green, not enough beer. Haha.

330 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:01:08am

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a problem with Celtic festivals?

Haggis.

331 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:01:38am

re: #329 Lidane

Too much green, not enough beer. Haha.

Worse

too much green beer!!

332 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:02:02am

re: #326 blueraven
The also found the apartment on an Occupy message board.
‘NATO 3’ plotted attacks on Obama election HQ, Rahm’s house, police stations, prosecutors say

Vassilakis, a community activist who grew up in suburban Naperville, put his phone number on an Occupy Chicago housing board and met personally with any takers before deciding if they were welcome.

333 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:02:35am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

Stop making excuses.

Huh? Who are 'making excuses?'

You must be confused at what you deem 'making excuses.' You're being mocked for your incessant OWS obsession. Again. You're a smart dude, surely you can tell the difference.

334 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:02:35am

re: #325 sattv4u2

And not only that, you get to see wenches eating delicious turkey legs!!

I did like drinking mead from a glass wedged between the bodacious ta-tas of a wench at a Renaissance Faire.

335 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:03:19am

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a problem with Celtic festivals?

No. I think that must be what she told the restaurant to make the reservation. Reserving a table for Nazis might cause problems.

336 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:04:35am

re: #335 Killgore Trout

No. I think that must be what she told the restaurant to make the reservation. Reserving a table for Nazis might cause problems.

"Goebbels,,, your table for 8 is ready ,,,, the Goebbels party,,, your table is ready"

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:04:43am

re: #330 Decatur Deb

Haggis.

True. The food is lousy, though the drink is good.

338 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:04:54am

Just for a change of subject, anyone going to an eclipse event/viewing today?

339 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:05:25am

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a problem with Celtic festivals?

I think these kids played Ren-fairs in your area, as Circa Paleo.

340 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:05:30am

re: #338 Daniel Ballard

Just for a change of subject, anyone going to an eclipse event/viewing today?

As usual we're overcast here. I miss all the celestial events.

341 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:05:40am

re: #338 Daniel Ballard

Just for a change of subject, anyone going to an eclipse event/viewing today?

not viewable here in the east

{grumble ,,,, grumble grumble,,, mutter,,, mutter mutter}

342 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:05:50am

re: #336 sattv4u2

"Goebbels,,, your table for 8 is ready ,,, the Goebbels party,,, your table is ready"

Don't Goebbels your food...chew before swallowing.

343 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:06:28am

re: #323 Decatur Deb

No, most of them are bullshitters, but they provide the seedbed where McVeighs are grown.

This is a guy who thought he had to kill dozens of people to prove he was a Real Man.

344 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:06:48am

re: #342 darthstar

Don't Goebbels your food...chew before swallowing.

Sorry, but we're in a hurry

The next reservation are Russian us!

345 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:07:41am

Hackers Launch Cyber Attack on City of Chicago Websites

NATO protests in Chicago have prompted hackers to launch a cyber attack on both the City of Chicago’s website and the Chicago Police Department’s website on Sunday, according to published reports.

On cyberwarnews.info, a YouTube video was posted that says the hackers, who claim to be part of the group Anonymous have started “an operation toward the Chicago police department and its websites.”

The statement, in part, reads: “Greetings fellow citizens of the world, we are AntiS3curityOPS.” The statement goes on to say, “We are actively engaged in actions against the Chicago Police Department, and encourage anyone to take up the cause and use the AntiS3curityOPS Anonymous banner. For those able, chicagopolice.org should be fired upon as much as possible. We are in your harbor Chicago, and you will not forget us.”

346 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:08:31am

Non-stop.

347 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:08:45am

re: #344 sattv4u2

Sorry, but we're in a hurry

The next reservation are Russian us!

Are they Chechen their watches?

348 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:09:09am

re: #345 Killgore Trout

Hackers Launch Cyber Attack on City of Chicago Websites

Occupy Smart Phones.

349 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:09:25am

re: #348 darthstar

Occupy Smart Phones.

We're doomed!

350 Mocking Jay  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:10:36am

re: #349 Gus

We're doomed!

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, 'cause they be occupyin' everythin' up in here!

351 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:10:41am

re: #347 darthstar

Are they Chechen their watches?

Their watches broke. They slipped and fell on a Greece spot while carrying their China

352 jamesfirecat  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:10:49am

re: #347 darthstar

Are they Chechen their watches?

Don't forget to have the waiters re-Polish the silverwear when they're done.

353 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:11:25am

re: #347 darthstar

Are they Chechen their watches?

They just bordered a hamburger to cache a czech.

354 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:12:37am

re: #350 It's a cookbook!

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, 'cause they be occupyin' everythin' up in here!

Creepin' Sharia Occupyin' is takin' over teh universe! Watch out for them Occupy Butterball™ turkey meat. It's workin' it's way into the American systems!!

//

355 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:14:04am

re: #349 Gus

We're doomed!

Yeah

Major cities police dept. computer system gets hacked,, communications disrupted,, no big deal

So what if 911 dispatch software calls get screwed up

PARTY!!!

356 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:14:22am

re: #351 sattv4u2

Their watches broke. They slipped and fell on a Greece spot while carrying their China

Did they spill Chile all over their Turkey?

357 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:14:40am

re: #355 sattv4u2

Yeah

Major cities police dept. computer system gets hacked,, communications disrupted,, no big deal

So what if 911 dispatch software calls get screwed up

PARTY!!!

10 years!

358 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:15:02am

re: #355 sattv4u2

Their computer system didn't get hacked, their website did.

This is a website. this is not Charles's computer system. if you hacked LGF, you wouldn't be hacking into Charles' computers.

Do you understand?

359 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:15:05am

re: #357 Gus

10 years!

If I were you, I'd accept that offer!

360 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:15:18am

Off to the farmer's market across the street. All this talk about violence at restaurants is making me Hungary.

361 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:15:45am

re: #356 darthstar

Did they spill Chile all over their Turkey?

No'way I'm keeping up with this.

362 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:15:52am

re: #358 Obdicut

Their computer system didn't get hacked, their website did.

This is a website. this is not Charles's computer system. if you hacked LGF, you wouldn't be hacking into Charles' computers.

Do you understand?

Yes I do

So whats to stop one of them from taking the next step

Do you understand?

363 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:16:12am

re: #361 Decatur Deb

No'way I'm keeping up with this.

Flee to a Banana republic!

364 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:16:30am

re: #360 darthstar

Off to the farmer's market across the street. All this talk about violence at restaurants is making me Hungary.

You have violins at your restaurant? Must be Romanian.

365 Mocking Jay  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:16:46am

re: #362 sattv4u2

Yes I do

So whats to stop one of them from taking the next step

Do you understand?

Oh brother, we're in Die Hard 4 territory now.

366 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:16:52am

Today Chicago! Tomorrow the world!!!!

[Runs around screaming.]

This message was brought to you by the John Birch Occupyin' Society.

367 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:17:34am

re: #365 It's a cookbook!

Oh brother, we're in Die Hard 4 territory now.

Run for safety before it's too late!

368 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:17:34am

re: #362 sattv4u2

Yes I do

So whats to stop one of them from taking the next step

Do you understand?

A firewall.

369 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:18:26am

re: #362 sattv4u2

Yes I do

So whats to stop one of them from taking the next step

It's much, much, much harder to hack into those systems, than it is to hack a website. A website is customer-facing, it has to interact with the outside world a lot. There's lots of ways to attack it.

People keep saying dumb shit like "They hacked the stock exchange!" No, they didn't. They hacked the website for the stock exchange. The actual network of the stock exchange was never touched.

It's the difference between spray-painting the outside of a building and breaking into it and taking out all the contents.

370 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:18:33am

Ah, nevermind

Most likely just some "yutes" out of school early looking for some summer highjinks!

371 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:18:47am

Birth of the anti-Occupy movement right here in this beyatch.

372 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:18:54am

re: #361 Decatur Deb

No'way I'm keeping up with this.

Yes you Cancun...you just need to Belize in yourself.

373 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:19:49am

re: #371 Kronocide

Birth of the anti-Occupy movement right here in this beyatch.

Don't say 'beyatch'...the dogs get excited and I just brought them back from swimming at the beyatch a few minutes ago.

374 blueraven  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:07am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

The original 3 are long time OWS protesters, were in town for the occupy protests and assembling bombs and making plans in an apartment housing occupy protesters. Stop making excuses. Is pointless at this stage, even the MSM is noticing.
"occupy terrorist"

Two can play this ridiculous game

tea party terrorist

Does anyone believe the tea party are all terrorist?

Stop it.

375 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:18am

re: #373 darthstar

Don't say 'beyatch'...the dogs get excited and I just brought them back from swimming at the beyatch a few minutes ago.

Squirrel!

376 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:21am

Okay...bbl. Off to get vegetables.

377 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:32am

re: #369 Obdicut

And yet they have done exactly that elsewhere... I'm not going to link to the tutorial on how to do that which took about two seconds.

378 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:44am

re: #368 Kronocide

A firewall.

Wonder if MasterCard, PayPal, et al had one?

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

379 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:59am

City Of Chicago Website Target Of Cyber Attack?

A press liaison for Occupy Chicago praised the apparent hack in a tweet:

Rachael P @plussone

We

380 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:21:20am

re: #377 Daniel Ballard

And yet they have done exactly that elsewhere... I'm not going to link to the tutorial on how to do that which took about two seconds.

Done exactly what?

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:21:32am

re: #374 blueraven

Two can play this ridiculous game

tea party terrorist

Does anyone believe the tea party are all terrorist?

Stop it.

No, no one believes that, but when the Tea Party people go off the rails, the Tea Party usually comes in for some share of blame, even if it's only for being the kind of thing an asshole like the perp would have been into.

382 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:21:37am

Dripping.

383 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:22:12am

re: #369 Obdicut

It's much, much, much harder to hack into those systems

"much, much, much" does not equal impossible

Maybe if you put three more "much"s in!!

384 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:22:38am

re: #374 blueraven

Two can play this ridiculous game

tea party terrorist

Does anyone believe the tea party are all terrorist?

Stop it.

I don't see any of those articles relating to Tea Party affiliated terrorism.

385 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:22:57am

re: #379 Killgore Trout

We

She's really got a way with words.

The various Occupies have now, I think, pretty fully transformed into the fringiest of the fringe, which is what I thought would happen.

What is silly is to pretend that's what they were from the start, or that the people in Occupy now are all the same people as were there from the beginning.

386 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:23:35am

re: #385 Obdicut

She's really got a way with words.

The various Occupies have now, I think, pretty fully transformed into the fringiest of the fringe, which is what I thought would happen.

What is silly is to pretend that's what they were from the start, or that the people in Occupy now are all the same people as were there from the beginning.

Took me about 2 hours to read it.

//

387 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:23:46am

re: #383 sattv4u2

It's much, much, much harder to hack into those systems

"much, much, much" does not equal impossible

Maybe if you put three more "much"s in!!

You asked what's to stop them. I answered-- the very large degree of difficulty. That should be reassuring to you.

388 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:24:09am

re: #380 Obdicut

Penetrated security and hacked servers. I do not underestimate the abilities of Anon hackers. And now I have utterly free ID protection courtesy of Anthem Medical when my information along with thousands of others was obtained from their data servers. Not the web site the data center.

389 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:24:32am

re: #387 Obdicut

You asked what's to stop them. I answered-- the very large degree of difficulty. That should be reassuring to you.

I'm wondering how reassuring it is to the Chicago PD

390 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:24:37am

re: #375 Gus

Squirrel!

Yeah, if beyatch gets the dogs worked up, Squirrel! will make them explode in a furry blur.

391 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:25:51am

re: #389 sattv4u2

Not at all if they are smart. Underestimating hacker skill or overestimating your firewall etc. is a recipe to get hit.
[Link: www.google.com...]

392 blueraven  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:25:54am

re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist

No, no one believes that, but when the Tea Party people go off the rails, the Tea Party usually comes in for some share of blame, even if it's only for being the kind of thing an asshole like the perp would have been into.

That's fine, but to refer to them as Occupy terrorists or Tea Party terrorists is just wrong.

There are extremes that find their way into legitimate political movements. KT has been trying to paint Occupy as terrorists for a long time now.

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:26:41am

re: #389 sattv4u2

I'm wondering how reassuring it is to the Chicago PD

Probably decently reassuring. Most of these guys do not have the capacity or the balls to carry out truly damaging hack attacks.

Of course, the same can be said for Illinois Nazis and the like. It doesn't make me think any better of them.

394 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:27:08am

re: #390 Kronocide

Yeah, if beyatch gets the dogs worked up, Squirrel! will make them explode in a furry blur.

Interesting conversation isn't it?

//

395 blueraven  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:27:30am

re: #384 Killgore Trout

I don't see any of those articles relating to Tea Party affiliated terrorism.

I used the same lame tactic as you did KT. Deal with it.

396 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:27:33am

re: #388 Daniel Ballard

Penetrated security and hacked servers. .

Um, I hope you didn't think i was saying that hacking servers is impossible, or very hard.

I do not underestimate the abilities of Anon hackers.

There's nothing special about Anon hackers vs. hackers who don't say they're part of Anon. Especially since there's nothing to being part of Anon other than claiming it.

And now I have utterly free ID protection courtesy of Anthem Medical when my information along with thousands of others was obtained from their data servers. Not the web site the data center

Yeah, i'm talking about the difficult of hacking into things like the 911 call center's software system, not stealing data. That happens all the time and is going to continue to happen all the time. Security or large amounts of personal data is impossible; if nothing else, human failure will always occur.

397 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:28:55am

re: #378 sattv4u2

Wonder if MasterCard, PayPal, et al had one?

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Bad example. They didn't get into/through a firewall.

Not to mention those are public sites created for customers to utilize.

398 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:29:33am

re: #396 Obdicut

And so Sat has a legit point. Those guys may or may not self limit to web site hacks. Anon or not. And this Chicago deal seems to be a strong focus for these activists. Some of which are very capable hackers.

399 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:29:49am

BBL

MAJOR crisis here at home

Got up and there was only enough coffee beans in the house to make about 2/3rds a pot

2/3 RDS

ON MY DAY OFF!!!! ,,,,,,
GGGAAAHHHHH

400 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:30:12am

re: #378 sattv4u2

Wonder if MasterCard, PayPal, et al had one?

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

They did. And it worked.

401 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:30:42am

re: #396 Obdicut

I did get the impression you were saying it's very hard with the implication it just will not happen in Chicago.

402 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:31:35am

re: #398 Daniel Ballard

And so Sat has a legit point. Those guys may or may not self limit to web site hacks. Anon or not. And this Chicago deal seems to be a strong focus for these activists. Some of which are very capable hackers.

Thanks
Chicago is drawing a large amount of interest from the "usual suspects" anarchists
One "motivated' one that wants to do more, make his mark, than just leaving a nasty gram on the cities web site is all it takes

403 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:32:50am

re: #398 Daniel Ballard

And so Sat has a legit point.

No, he doesn't.

Those guys may or may not self limit to web site hacks.

It's not about self-limiting. It's about how hard it is to do. It's very, very hard to get into dedicated systems and proprietary stuff. you generally have to know it very well already, otherwise you have no clue what it is you're even doing in there.

The number of people that could crack into something like, the stock exchange, or a banking system, and actually do anything-- like transfer money from an account-- is incredibly small.

Anon or not. And this Chicago deal seems to be a strong focus for these activists. Some of which are very capable hackers.

How capable? Attacking a website is script kiddie shit. How do you know that they're very capable hackers?

404 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:33:04am

Yawn.

405 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:33:25am

What's to stop this hackers from murdering kittens?

406 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:34:16am

re: #405 Kronocide

What's to stop this hackers from murdering kittens?

fast running kittens,, OR ,, slow running hackers!

407 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:35:03am

The reason the story about the attack on the water system stuff was at all credible-- and it wound up being presumably bogus-- was because it's a GUI interface. It's, again, customer-facing. Most systems aren't like that, they're not going to have a handy-dandy internet-enabled remotely-accessible GUI built, and if they are, you've already fucked up.

408 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:35:14am

re: #405 Kronocide

The PreCrime unit is on it.
Image: precogs-minority-report.jpg

409 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:35:17am

re: #405 Kronocide

What's to stop this hackers from murdering kittens?

Wenn die Polizei von Chicago und das Federal Bureau of Investigation nicht steuern die Linke Anarchisten und schwarzen Block terrrorists ziemlich bald alle Kätzchen sterben! Bald werden die Kommunisten übernimmt das Vaterland!

//

410 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:35:33am

re: #405 Kronocide

What's to stop this hackers from murdering kittens?

What's to stop hackers from launching all the nuclear weapons in the world at a small, defenseless squirrel?

411 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:36:13am

re: #410 Obdicut

What's to stop hackers from launching all the nuclear weapons in the world at a small, defenseless squirrel?

Beware the Mooslamic Occupy Raygunz!!

412 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:37:41am

re: #405 Kronocide

What's to stop this hackers from murdering kittens?

cat > nohurt

413 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:38:26am

Wonkette:

...here is where we get all concern troll and disagree with most of our Occupy NATO protester pals about dudes arrested for either bomb-making equipment or “brewing” equipment: we don’t care if the cops coaxed them into it. MAYBE DON’T BOMB RAHM EMANUEL, OR ANYONE ELSE. YOU ARE NOT EMMA GOLDMAN, the end.

414 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:39:06am

re: #398 Daniel Ballard

And so Sat has a legit point. Those guys may or may not self limit to web site hacks. Anon or not. And this Chicago deal seems to be a strong focus for these activists. Some of which are very capable hackers.

Satt's point was to sarcastically imply that nobody cares if these hackers get into majorly important computer systems.

My point (and Obdi's) was that it's much harder to hack into critical systems than a public side website.

Satt backed up his point with examples of other similarly annoying (but otherwise harmless) hacks. Which didn't back up his point at all, it pretty much made mine.

The hackers would probably cause more havoc if they could.

415 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:40:34am

re: #404 Gus

Yawn.

Your completely blind support of all things OWS is duly noted for the record of all time forevers department of never forgets.

416 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:42:37am

re: #410 Obdicut

What's to stop hackers from launching all the nuclear weapons in the world at a small, defenseless squirrel?

Dude, I thought up Bandname/Nuclear Kittens years ago. Don't one up me with Nuclear Squirrel.

417 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:43:58am

re: #403 Obdicut

I'm not going to get into a subjective argument about what they can or can not do. They have hacked servers before not just web sites. I'll not assume Monsanto was negligent in their firewalls, so I'll not assume some invincibility at Chicago PD or city web servers. Or Alabama.

Or Apple.

Sat had a legit point. I hope nothing like that happens but as far as I'm concerned after a quick review of actual incidents... It could.

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:44:16am

re: #392 blueraven

That's fine, but to refer to them as Occupy terrorists or Tea Party terrorists is just wrong.

There are extremes that find their way into legitimate political movements. KT has been trying to paint Occupy as terrorists for a long time now.

Yes, KT does not like the Tea Party. (And the concern about his concern is through the roof, not to mention my concern about the concern about his concern.) But certain portions of these discussions were reversed in the case of, say, the guy who shot his wife in Long Beach and was connected to the Tea Party.

419 AK-47%  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:44:23am

re: #416 Kronocide

Dude, I thought up Bandname/Nuclear Kittens years ago. Don't one up me with Nuclear Squirrel.

Nuclear Moose and Squirrel.

420 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:47:08am

re: #414 Kronocide

I found better links, real data server attacks. In and amongst the nuclear kitten thing. ;-)

421 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:48:45am

re: #417 Daniel Ballard

All the hacks you listed are of customer-facing web servers, databases, or mail clients. That doesn't take a lot of hacking skill, nor does it have the same effect that hacking the 911 network would.

And every company I've ever worked at has been incredibly lax about network security. it's basically a lost cause: get your network all nice and secured, and some idiot VP sticks a flashdrive that someone gave him into the computer, and boom, all that network security is useless. That's why dedicated systems doing really important shit are generally isolated from the common computing network and are not customer-facing.

Hey, you know what's really easy to 'hack'? Road signs!

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422 blueraven  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:50:58am

re: #418 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, KT does not like the Tea Party. (And the concern about his concern is through the roof, not to mention my concern about the concern about his concern.) But certain portions of these discussions were reversed in the case of, say, the guy who shot his wife in Long Beach and was connected to the Tea Party.

I don't mind at all saying someone is connected to a group if it is done honestly.
My issue is with his tactics.
And yes, I agree it happens the other way around also. But I haven't seen such a sustained relentless effort by anyone to paint the tea party as terrorist.
I don't like it either way.

423 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:51:09am

One of my Facebook friends may be going to the great anti-Internet asifa at Citifield.

We've told him we want pictures.

424 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:51:11am

re: #420 Daniel Ballard

Maybe you're not undrestanding what I'm saying.

There are indelibly insecure things: Webservers, databases, mail clients. Anything that is customer-facing, that is used to people connecting from the 'outside' in order to access data, is inherently unsecure. It can be secured to a certain point, but they are all, always crackable, and it's not incredibly challenging to do so in most cases.

Networks that handle actually critical shit, like traffic lights, radar, weather monitoring, 911 routing calls, etc. are generally on independent networks that are not at all customer-facing, and therefore are really, really hard to intrude upon.

425 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:55:37am

re: #420 Daniel Ballard

I found better links, real data server attacks. In and amongst the nuclear kitten thing. ;-)

"In addition, this group also recently published publicly available information on approximately 2,500 individuals involved in the broader global agriculture industry."

Earlier this week, Anonymous posted online 90,000 military email addresses and passwords obtained from military consulting firm Booz Allen Hamilton, which Tuesday acknowledged the breach. The company said it is "conducting a full review of the nature and extent of the attack. At this time, we do not believe that the attack extended beyond data pertaining to a learning management system for a government agency."

Satt's point was ladled with sarcasm about nobody caring about these dangerous hackers who might do much worse. That's not a good point to make.

As for the rest of the argument this isn't about semantics. It's about specifics. My networking/technology skills are on the residential side but what I do know is that these hacktivists are creating mischief and annoyance but are not otherwise creating real threats. I don't deny that they could create real havoc, but the examples provided are not real havoc, it's more along the lines of annoyance and graffiti.

They are not breaching firewalls of public agencies
. This is an important distinction. Either they have tried and they can't, or they know if they do a world of hurt will come down on them for it.

426 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:56:19am

re: #424 Obdicut

Geez I get all that. "Some idiot VP with a flash drive." As if that very same thing could not happen at a PD or city municipal data server. Yes critical systems are harder to hack. And yes as you said many systems are generally not attached to the net.

Our difference comes down to this. I do not subscribe to "it's so hard we need not have any concern" so strongly as to dismiss Sat's point.

427 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:58:47am

re: #426 Daniel Ballard

Our difference comes down to this. I do not subscribe to "it's so hard we need not have any concern" so strongly as to dismiss Sat's point.

I did not notice the concern in Satt's point. Still don't see it. His point was that nobody cares.

428 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 10:59:09am

re: #426 Daniel Ballard

Geez I get all that. "Some idiot VP with a flash drive." As if that very same thing could not happen at a PD or city municipal data server.

I don't know what you mean by 'data server' in that case.

Yes critical systems are harder to hack. And yes as you said many systems are generally not attached to the net.

Right. So, there's a limit to how much we should be shitting the bed worrying about hackers.

Our difference comes down to this. I do not subscribe to "it's so hard we need not have any concern" so strongly as to dismiss Sat's point.

But I didn't say we don't have to have any concern. What I said is that when idiots vandalize a web server, worrying about those same assholes penetrating a secure network like the stock exchange or 911 call centers is silly, because it's like worrying that someone who spray-painted your car is going to come in at night and crack your gun-case.

429 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:01:14am

Slow news day.

430 b_sharp  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:03:08am

re: #429 Gus

Slow news day.

I had a boner last week.

431 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:03:37am

re: #430 Ghost of Insanity

I had a boner last week.

How big was it?

432 b_sharp  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:04:25am

re: #431 Gus

How big was it?

Pretty long, about 4'.

433 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:06:07am

re: #429 Gus

Slow news day.

Prosecutors: Activist bragged about explosives

Prosecutors say an activist charged with terrorism allegedly said he could blow up a bridge in downtown Chicago.

Prosecutors in Cook County have charged two more people as part of their investigation into activists who planned to demonstrate at the 2-day NATO summit. On Sunday prosecutors told a judge 24-year-old Sebastian Senakiewicz (sehn ah KEHV' ich) bragged about having explosives, but searches didn't uncover any. Prosecutors say he also bragged about keeping explosives in a hollowed-out Harry Potter book.

Prosecutors say 28-year-old Mark Neiweem wanted to build a pipe bomb and wrote a list of needed ingredients

Yeah, that's pretty unimportant.
/

434 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:06:59am

My favorite dick joke:

She said Give me 10 inches and make it hurt.

So I screwed her twice and punched her in the mouth.

435 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:07:42am

re: #433 Killgore Trout

Prosecutors: Activist bragged about explosives

Yeah, that's pretty unimportant.
/

Pretty much.

(_|_)

436 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:08:09am

re: #433 Killgore Trout

A guy claiming to have explosives and not having them?

437 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:08:31am

re: #426 Daniel Ballard

Geez I get all that. "Some idiot VP with a flash drive." As if that very same thing could not happen at a PD or city municipal data server. Yes critical systems are harder to hack. And yes as you said many systems are generally not attached to the net.

Our difference comes down to this. I do not subscribe to "it's so hard we need not have any concern" so strongly as to dismiss Sat's point.

If I can jump in for a sec, I don't really think it's a case of "it's so hard we need not have any concern". Okay, let's be concerned. Then what? The vast majority of us can't do anything but worry about it, which doesn't help. There are network engineers out there who specialize in security. They're on it—all day, every day.

If you we want to be concerned, then it should start with education and trying to get college kids interested in network security careers. There aren't a lot of truly excellent, experienced network security specialists out there who can handle securing massive networks*, and the ones that are out there are severely overworked & under-appreciated. We need more of them, and the need will only continue to grow.

*I've seen diagrams of existing huge networks. They're terrifying in their complexity.

438 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:08:32am

re: #433 Killgore Trout

Prosecutors: Activist bragged about explosives

Yeah, that's pretty unimportant.
/

Mr Overimportant takes issue with alleged Unimportance.

This is obviously important.

439 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:08:33am
24-year-old Sebastian Senakiewicz (sehn ah KEHV' ich) bragged about having explosives, but searches didn't uncover any

Channeling Saddam?

440 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:09:27am

re: #438 Kronocide

Mr Overimportant takes issue with alleged Unimportance.

This is obviously important.

Pretty much. :)

441 RadicalModerate  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:09:50am

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but it appears that the main FoxNews website has shut down commenting on articles completely. The FoxNation and FoxBusiness subdomains still appear to allow comments, but the "mothership" site no longer has a "comment" button even attached to the articles hosted.

442 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:09:59am

re: #439 jaunte

Channeling Saddam?

I heard they found some yellow cake at one of the OWS encampments.

//

443 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:11:32am

re: #442 Gus

I heard they found some yellow cake at one of the OWS encampments.

//

That was hummus with weed butter. Very important!

444 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:13:04am
12:38 p.m. — Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy says an officer suffered a concussion after a protester punched him through the window of a van Saturday night. He says the officer's blood pressure also spiked briefly after the incident, which included protesters slicing the van's tires.
445 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:15:15am

re: #436 Obdicut

A guy claiming to have explosives and not having them?

He was trying to acquire the materials to make a bomb. the charge is Attempted Possession of Explosive device.

446 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:16:02am

re: #444 Killgore Trout

Now he won't have to shoot himself in the foot for early retirement.

//

447 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:17:10am
448 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:17:27am

re: #445 Killgore Trout

He was trying to acquire the materials to make a bomb. the charge is Attempted Possession of Explosive device.

He sounds like a real asshole. But not a very important one, though i'm sure he'd love to think so.

449 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:18:13am

re: #447 darthstar

Lusting Mitt.

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Is that from "Lord of the Flies"?

//

450 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:18:38am

From the "about fucking time" files...the Lockerbie bomber has died.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

451 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:19:01am

re: #437 CuriousLurker

Can't send kids to college for computer related degrees, too many liberal teachers. Home schooling is the answer.

452 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:19:42am

re: #445 Killgore Trout

He was trying to acquire the materials to make a bomb. the charge is Attempted Possession of Explosive device.

You can get everything you need at Walmart, without ID.

453 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:21:23am

re: #451 Kronocide

Can't send kids to college for computer related degrees, too many liberal teachers. Home schooling is the answer.

Yeah, anything science related is borderline satanic. Ugh.

454 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:21:32am

re: #452 Decatur Deb

You can get everything you need at Walmart, without ID.

Ampho is still terrifying in its simplicity.

455 PhillyPretzel  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:23:27am

re: #453 CuriousLurker

Yeah, anything science related is borderline satanic. Then what do they consider solar energy? Idol worship?

456 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:25:29am

re: #451 Kronocide

Can't send kids to college for computer related degrees, too many liberal teachers. Home schooling is the answer.

Better to just arrest all of them and send them into the judicial system. It's the best one in the world. Try any of this in Saudi Arabia and see what happens!!11ty

//

457 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:27:15am

The right to blow up bear arms shall not be infringed.

458 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:29:39am

Haha:

459 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:34:46am

I disapprove of your lack of Concern and Outrage as these serious Occupiers and Hackers. To Patriot class and Football Game.

460 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:36:17am

Uh oh...there goes the rubber-bull throwing demographic.

461 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:37:41am

1:15 p.m. — A large banner on stage at the Petrillo Music Shell links Obama to Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and George W. Bush, as well as Vietnam. Two protesters held a sign on Jackson Street that says, "Obama wants his own tril $ war in 2013." Another protester sported a shirt that said, "Impeach Bush and Obama." - NM

Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]

462 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:38:34am

Treacher has called me a Birther on Twitter about 20 times.

He's got me right where he wants me... LOL.

463 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:53:05am

re: #462 Kronocide

Treacher has called me a Birther on Twitter about 20 times.

He's got me right where he wants me... LOL.

464 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:55:50am

Wingnuts: call out their racism, get called a racist. I was joking about this a couple of weeks ago. They really are that simple.

465 sagehen  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:59:58am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

In the modern world, a rich man needs to protecting his property when marrying. So there's nothing wrong with him timing things as he did. Facebook is his company, and he earned the money.

I bet she owns a piece of it too... they've been together since before he started the company, she must have invested or done some work or done *something* that earned her at least as big a piece as the guy who painted their offices (1/4 of 1%).

466 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:00:25pm

OWS Organizer concerned about the welfare of the anarchists
1:44 p.m. — An organizer of the main protest march is urging people in the crowd to get water, as the temperature neared 90 degrees. "Make sure you are well hydrated before we march against NATO. Especially our friends in black," Thayer said. -CKJ

___

Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]

467 sagehen  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:02:01pm

re: #441 RadicalModerate

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but it appears that the main FoxNews website has shut down commenting on articles completely. The FoxNation and FoxBusiness subdomains still appear to allow comments, but the "mothership" site no longer has a "comment" button even attached to the articles hosted.

A wise decision.

468 blueraven  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:09:42pm

re: #466 Killgore Trout

OWS Organizer concerned about the welfare of the anarchists
1:44 p.m. — An organizer of the main protest march is urging people in the crowd to get water, as the temperature neared 90 degrees. "Make sure you are well hydrated before we march against NATO. Especially our friends in black," Thayer said. -CKJ

___

Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]

Your link is bad

But do you think he might just be referring to people dressed in black clothing? Why should he be more concerned about the anarchist getting water? And once again there is no mention of OWS.

469 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:30:42pm

re: #466 Killgore Trout

OWS Organizer concerned about the welfare of the anarchists
1:44 p.m. — An organizer of the main protest march is urging people in the crowd to get water, as the temperature neared 90 degrees. "Make sure you are well hydrated before we march against NATO. Especially our friends in black," Thayer said. -CKJ

___

Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]

Nuns.

[Link: gothamist.com...]

470 b_sharp  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:36:27pm

re: #468 blueraven

Your link is bad

But do you think he might just be referring to people dressed in black clothing? Why should he be more concerned about the anarchist getting water? And once again there is no mention of OWS.

All protest marches have become OWS.
All protesters have become anarchists.

471 b_sharp  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:37:29pm

re: #469 Decatur Deb

Nuns.

[Link: gothamist.com...]

They! Wear! BLACK!

472 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:41:14pm

re: #471 Ghost of Insanity

They! Wear! BLACK!

And they'd take a ruler to a neo-nazi in a heartbeat.


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