Obama Campaign Ad: The Story of Bain Capital and Ampad

Romney and Bain Capital squeezed out $100 million before driving the company into bankruptcy
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The new advertisement from the Obama campaign continues their devastating criticism of Mitt Romney’s vulture capitalism techniques, with the story of the plundering of SCM Office Supplies.

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Meanwhile, Newark mayor Cory Booker is walking back his criticism of the Obama campaign’s ads today — but not entirely.

The Obama team saw Booker equating attacks on Bain Capital with attacks on Rev. Jeremiah Wright — he said almost exactly those words — and knew they had a political mess to clean up.

“This election, like all other elections, is going to be a choice between two candidates, two records and two visions for the country,” said Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt on a conference call Monday morning. “We’ve not heard an affirmative vision from [Romney].”

Trur [sic] enough. But, it’s also clear from watching the entirety of Booker’s video that he isn’t really walking back his comments as much as he is trying to provide more context than is typically available on a Sunday show roundtable appearance.

Watch Booker’s video; it’s obvious he doesn’t like the negativity of the campaign — on both sides — and despite what we can only assume was heavy pressure by the Obama team to fix the glitch, he isn’t willing to entirely walk back his comments.

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71 comments
1 Kragar  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:39:16am

Obama keeps bringing up things Romney actually was involved with. Has he no sense of decency?
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2 AK-47%  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:39:45am

We have been told that it was unionized workers with an entitlement mentality that led to the decline of American industry.

We are learning that there are other reasons behind that decline.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:42:35am

Cory Booker's criticism was obviously honest, but also very off-base. When a presidential candidate like Romney makes the economy the central point of their appeal, there's absolutely nothing wrong with looking at his history of financial dealings.

Equating this with the Rev. Wright attacks is just silly.

4 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:43:39am

I respect Booker but this isn't anything like the Wright attacks. Romney's selling himself and his business experience as a job creator. Well we've seen evidence that shows he's not that.

5 AK-47%  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:44:28am

As long as the GOP can keep Wright in the game, they are winning.

6 Kragar  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:44:30am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Cory Booker's criticism was obviously honest, but also very off-base. When a presidential candidate like Romney makes the economy the central point of their appeal, there's absolutely nothing wrong with looking at his history of financial dealings.

Equating this with the Rev. Wright attacks is just silly.

The GOP is more comfortable with fantasy based attacks because then their isn't pesky evidence to deal with.

7 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:44:46am

No fair hitting back!!

8 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:45:43am

re: #6 Kragar

The GOP is more comfortable with fantasy based attacks because then their isn't pesky evidence to deal with.

Hey, when you're Dungeon Master those orcs have as many hit dice as you want them to have!
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9 Kragar  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:46:15am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

I respect Booker but this isn't anything like the Wright attacks. Romney's selling himself and his business experience as a job creator. Well we've seen evidence that shows he's not that.

Romney's business experience leads me to believe he'd sell off our national monuments to foreign investors to buy planes we can't fly and leave the rest of us fighting over the scraps.

10 Olsonist  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:46:20am

I know this is apropos a previous thread, but when I argue with Birthers, I address them as Birthers. I think it's only polite.

11 Kragar  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:46:53am

re: #8 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Hey, when you're Dungeon Master those orcs have as many hit dice as you want them to have!
/

Fear the dreaded Gazebo.

12 Simply Sarah  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:46:56am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Cory Booker's criticism was obviously honest, but also very off-base. When a presidential candidate like Romney makes the economy the central point of their appeal, there's absolutely nothing wrong with looking at his history of financial dealings.

Equating this with the Rev. Wright attacks is just silly.

More to the point, when Romney makes his time at Bain be about creating jobs (When it wasn't) it shouldn't be a surprise that his opponents have responded by pointing out the jobs that were lost (Regardless of if they were a direct result of Bain's actions or not).

13 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:48:54am

Honestly, his experience at Bain is a good part of why I've never been that impressed with him as a candidate. This isn't some guy who made his fortune with an innovation and thus creating not only jobs but also impacting the economy. I have more respect for a Bill Gates/Steve Jobs even Andrew Carnegie for all his flaws on labor issues type businessman than I do Romney.

14 smashin grab  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:49:05am

too bad in the blue west states, we will never see these ads, they are mostly played in the 6 swing states, that will be plastered by the rove/ kochbros stupidPACS. i know media buyers, and they tell me ever commercial slot in every market swing state, until nov is sold at a premium! big money media stocks owned by company's like bain [ clear channel] will be raking in the sheckles...

15 AK-47%  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:56:41am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

We created a system where there were more short-term profits to be had from breaking up companies and destroying jobs than by creating jobs. That works as long as there are jobs and companies left...

16 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:59:00am

If Al Gore hadn't invented the internet all these businesses selling paper office supplies would still be in business.

17 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 10:59:45am

re: #15 Expand Your Ground

We created a system where there were more short-term profits to be had from breaking up companies and destroying jobs than by creating jobs. That works as long as there are jobs and companies left...

True point. I guess that's the problem to me where profit not job creation is the more worthwhile goal to businesspeople. I mean I understand the importance of profit of course but when it comes at the expense of people's jobs and livelihoods and than the man who played a big part in that wants to tell me he should be trusted as president of the nation with this economy. I tend to get wary.

18 mr.fusion  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:00:03am

re: #9 Kragar

Romney's business experience leads me to believe he'd sell off our national monuments to foreign investors to buy planes we can't fly and leave the rest of us fighting over the scraps.

aka job creation!!!

19 Gus  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:05:04am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Cory Booker's criticism was obviously honest, but also very off-base. When a presidential candidate like Romney makes the economy the central point of their appeal, there's absolutely nothing wrong with looking at his history of financial dealings.

Equating this with the Rev. Wright attacks is just silly.

Exactly. It was apples and oranges or as I like to think of it, "Cory Booker is entitled to his opinion even though he was wrong." He has since back tracked. Now, some on the Democratic side need to calm down about this and not lose focus of the campaign and avoid getting carried away in their disgust with Booker's comments. On the opposite end the GOP has, in typical fashion, managed to turn this into a meme of their own.

20 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:05:26am

Just a small point of contention, Charles; Ampad didn't go defunct when Bain Capital jettisoned it, but they did file for Chapter 11 and got bought/sold a couple of times. The company is still in business, Esselte being the current owners.

I get the point of the post and I'm not one to defend His Mittness or Bain Capital, but I'm just trying to clarify things for accuracy.

21 simoom  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:07:02am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Equating this with the Rev. Wright attacks is just silly.

That aligned nicely with Romney's response to the Rickett's Rev. Wright plan -- that it was actually the Obama camp who did that kind of "character assassination" through examining Romney's Bain record. Obviously it was all kinds of surrogate fail for Mayor Booker to endorse Romney's position. Actually, if you're going to go on a Sunday show as a campaign surrogate, at a minimum, try not to be the star the other team's media when the next day rolls around:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Republicans immediately seized on Booker’s comments as a way to push back on the attacks launched by President Obama’s campaign on Romney’s record in the private sector. The Republican National Committee quickly distributed the Booker comment to reporters via e-mail, Twitter and even Tumblr.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

“President Obama continues his assault on the free enterprise system with attacks that one of his supporters, Newark Mayor Cory Booker, called ‘nauseating’ ... ,” said Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul.

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Republicans Launch "Stand With Cory" Petition

22 Gus  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:09:17am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

If Al Gore hadn't invented the internet all these businesses selling paper office supplies would still be in business.

I see. So you're comparing this advertisement with your absurd "Al Gore invented the internet scenario."

23 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:10:28am

I have to laugh at the stand with Cory crap they're pulling because you know deep down they wanted to do the Wright attacks before the Ricketts plan let out last week and two if Booker runs against Christie, they're going to attack him relentlessly.

24 simoom  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:10:31am

re: #19 Gus

Exactly. It was apples and oranges or as I like to think of it, "Cory Booker is entitled to his opinion even though he was wrong."

That's basically how Axelrod responded when he was asked about Booker's comments this morning:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

In an unusually sharp public rebuke, Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod took his own campaign surrogate Cory Booker to task — saying that Booker was "wrong" to criticize the campaign's latest broadside against Mitt Romney.

"In this particular instance, he was just wrong" Axelrod told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell. "There were specific instances here that speak to an economic theory that isn't the right theory for the country."

...

"I love Cory Booker. He's a great mayor," Axelrod said. "If my house was on fire, I'd hope he was my next door neighbor."

But, Axelrod said, Romney's record at Bain was entirely legitimate as a campaign topic.

25 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:11:37am

re: #20 Gitarzan

Just a small point of contention, Charles; Ampad didn't go defunct when Bain Capital jettisoned it, but they did file for Chapter 11 and got bought/sold a couple of times. The company is still in business, Esselte being the current owners.

Corporate Information

Esselte's global business is comprised of five operating divisions that service the office supplies and creative needs of customers in over 120 countries. Esselte Americas, Esselte Europe, Creative Division, Asia and Pacific Rim together account for annual worldwide sales of approximately USD 1 billion.

Seems like they're doing ok.
Evil capitalists 1percenters cutting down the rainforests for profit!
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26 AK-47%  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:11:55am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

True point. I guess that's the problem to me where profit not job creation is the more worthwhile goal to businesspeople. I mean I understand the importance of profit of course but when it comes at the expense of people's jobs and livelihoods and than the man who played a big part in that wants to tell me he should be trusted as president of the nation with this economy. I tend to get wary.

In the old days of national, industrial economies, there was something to the "supply side" approach: money would be invested domestically, and in companies that actually employed people to produce things.

nowadays, when capital is free to follow the path of highest returns, that money is likely to be invested overseas and the jobs created there.

The only jobs that we get out of the deal are minimum-wage jobs at Target and Wal-Mart selling those cheap consumer goods produced abroad by US-owned companies.

27 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:12:06am

re: #24 simoom

That's basically how Axelrod responded when he was asked about Booker's comments this morning:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Pretty much how I feel. I like Booker. Seems like a great guy but Romney's record at Bain should be up to scrutiny especially if he's going to sell that experience as vital to his record of a job creator when it seems in fact his actions resulted in lost jobs not created ones.

28 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:12:06am

re: #22 Gus

I see. So you're comparing this advertisement with your absurd "Al Gore invented the internet scenario."

yes

29 Gus  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:12:33am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

yes

Thanks.

30 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:12:47am

re: #29 Gus

Thanks.

You're welcome

31 sagehen  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:16:27am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Honestly, his experience at Bain is a good part of why I've never been that impressed with him as a candidate. This isn't some guy who made his fortune with an innovation and thus creating not only jobs but also impacting the economy. I have more respect for a Bill Gates/Steve Jobs even Andrew Carnegie for all his flaws on labor issues type businessman than I do Romney.

Gates, Jobs and Carnegie organized the creation of wealth, such great huge piles that their minor skim was itself a huge pile. It's good for the economy in aggregate, both in this country and worldwide.

Bain doesn't create wealth. It finds wealth, moves pieces around the chessboard to extract that wealth -- half of which ends up in their own pockets, 1/4 of which moves offshore, and the rest evaporates. They amass personal wealth by reducing GDP. It's bad for the economy in aggregate, both in this country and worldwide.

32 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:19:10am

re: #31 sagehen

Gates, Jobs and Carnegie organized the creation of wealth, such great huge piles that their minor skim was itself a huge pile. It's good for the economy in aggregate, both in this country and worldwide.

Bain doesn't create wealth. It finds wealth, moves pieces around the chessboard to extract that wealth -- half of which ends up in their own pockets, 1/4 of which moves offshore, and the rest evaporates. They amass personal wealth by reducing GDP. It's bad for the economy in aggregate, both in this country and worldwide.

Which, interesting enough, was a behavior set that Rand ranted about.

33 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:19:30am

re: #31 sagehen

Gates, Jobs and Carnegie organized the creation of wealth, such great huge piles that their minor skim was itself a huge pile. It's good for the economy in aggregate, both in this country and worldwide.

Bain doesn't create wealth. It finds wealth, moves pieces around the chessboard to extract that wealth -- half of which ends up in their own pockets, 1/4 of which moves offshore, and the rest evaporates. They amass personal wealth by reducing GDP. It's bad for the economy in aggregate, both in this country and worldwide.

Which is why I have no desire to see the former CEO of such a company become leader of this country.

34 erik_t  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:19:56am

re: #31 sagehen

A+, would upding again.

35 AK-47%  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:21:07am

re: #31 sagehen

It is not just globalization that favors this approach, it is also a system of bookeeping and financial reporting that still stems from the time when the bulk of a company's wealth was in its plant and property: bricks, mortar and machines. Hard to move, easy to quantify.

That whole system of accounting is no longer applicable in an age where a company's wealth is often in the form of intangibles: intellectual property, patents, licensing rights, etc, and where nearly everything else is leased.

36 Daniel Ballard  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:23:53am

When Obama ran, all his past actions, books and mere associations were considered fair game. This election we can all call out his errors real or perceived as we see fit. The how elections work. So, ditto for Romney and Bain.

Welcome to the majors Mitt.

37 simoom  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:25:22am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Romney's record at Bain should be up to scrutiny especially if he's going to sell that experience as vital to his record of a job creator when it seems in fact his actions resulted in lost jobs not created ones.

Yeah. He's jettisoned his record as governor, and instead focused on his Bain record as to why he'd be a brilliant job creator. Over the course of his political career he's claimed "thousands" of jobs created at Bain, "ten thousand" and of course most recently "one hundred thousand." I wouldn't be surprised if while he was running the company he presided over net job loses, or maybe even a small net positive, but I think what the Democrats need to hammer home is that as a private-equity firm, long term job creation, or even the long term health of many of these companies wasn't their focus, and that isn't an indictment of private equity, venture capital, etc... it's more a critique of the weakness of Romney's job creation argument.

38 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:28:53am

re: #37 simoom

Yeah. He's jettisoned his record as governor, and instead focused on his Bain record as to why he'd be a brilliant job creator. Over the course of his political career he's claimed "thousands" of jobs created at Bain, "ten thousand" and of course most recently "one hundred thousand." I wouldn't be surprised if while he was running the company he presided over net job loses, or maybe even a small net positive, but I think what the Democrats need to hammer home is that as a private-equity firm, long term job creation, or even the long term health of many of these companies wasn't their focus, and that isn't an indictment of private equity, venture capital, etc... it's more a critique of the weakness of Romney's job creation argument.

Right. I mean the system is what it is but Romney can't expect to sell himself as a job creator with this background. Hell that one guy admitted that Bain's purpose wasn't even to create jobs.

39 jaunte  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:28:59am

If Romney figures out how to fire citizens to improve the nation's performance, then his business experience will have some relevance.

40 Interesting Times  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:29:22am
41 simoom  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:29:40am

Former Bain Executive: Romney Bears Blame For Ampad Layoffs
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

But according to a 2002 interview with former managing director of Bain Capital Marc Wolpow, Romney was directly responsible for Ampad’s layoffs. Wopow and a fellow Bain partner sat on the board of directors of Ampad, and were responsible with carrying out the Bain business plan that caused the layoffs.

“My job was to maximize the profits to Bain Capital's partners from the Ampad transaction,'' Wolpow told the Globe in 2002.

Wolpow said Romney was responsible for the business plan carried out by Bain in Indiana.”Mitt's employees executed that transaction,” he said. “We carried out the business plan. He was CEO of the firm.”

''I reported directly to Mitt Romney ... You can't be CEO of Bain Capital and say, `I really don't know what my guys were doing.''

Wolpow said that to maximize profits, Bain "implemented an aggressive plant closing and cost-cutting program.''

42 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:30:10am

Have the Dems used the I like to fire people line? What a stupid thing for a presidential candidate to even joke about. His slogan is "Believe in America", yeah you believe in America yet you get your kicks firing people. or think it's funny to joke about how you like doing so.

43 AK-47%  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:30:30am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Right. I mean the system is what it is but Romney can't expect to sell himself as a job creator with this background. Hell that one guy admitted that Bain's purpose wasn't even to create jobs.

So all but admitted that "job creator" is just a euphemism for "private wealth accumulator"

44 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:30:39am

Morning all!

How can anyone not like Beyonce?

How is your Monday?

45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:31:02am

Only in America does a man become governor, then once he runs for president, his experience as a governor is a detriment


I PROMISE YOU GUYS, EVERYTHING I DID AS GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS WAS BULLCRAP, HONEST

46 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:32:27am

re: #45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Only in America does a man become governor, then once he runs for president, his experience as a governor is a detriment

I PROMISE YOU GUYS, EVERYTHING I DID AS GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS WAS BULLCRAP, HONEST

"Severely conservative" which sounds about as pleasant as daily trips to the dentist and as sincere as a car salesman.

47 wrenchwench  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:33:53am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Have the Dems used the I like to fire people line? What a stupid thing for a presidential candidate to even joke about. His slogan is "Believe in America", yeah you believe in America yet you get your kicks firing people. or think it's funny to joke about how you like doing so.

And he wasn't joking.

48 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:34:19am

re: #36 Daniel Ballard

When Obama ran, all his past actions, books and mere associations were considered fair game. This election we can all call out his errors real or perceived as we see fit. The how elections work. So, ditto for Romney and Bain.

Welcome to the majors Mitt.

QFT

Family members are the only ones exempt --we do spare the children.

49 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:34:44am

re: #47 wrenchwench

And he wasn't joking.

I know hence the qualifier. He's a jerk. He should have been playing Michael Douglas's character n Wall Street not running for president.

50 dragonfire1981  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:38:24am

re: #45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Only in America does a man become governor, then once he runs for president, his experience as a governor is a detriment

I PROMISE YOU GUYS, EVERYTHING I DID AS GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS WAS BULLCRAP, HONEST

And that, in a nutshell, is Romney's problem.

He's changed positions so frequently on so many issues that even he HIMSELF cannot remember it all...but evidently he stands by all of it.

And this man wants to be President?

You know I can't stand people like Bryan Fisher but I will give him credit for one thing: His viewpoints and beliefs, extreme though they may be, are usually consistent and rarely change.

I respect someone like that more than I do a man who changes his stripes whenever needed to get what he wants.

51 jaunte  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:39:29am
52 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:39:42am

So many one the right automatically equate --business leader with Job creation.

They of all people should know that in making a business efficient and profitable, the first and biggest line item to be scrutinized is "payroll".

Many companies were water-logged with dead weight in the form of employees. A lot of re-org and streamlining had to be done. But IIRC this was accomplished in the past two decades. Which was when Romney was active in business-no?

53 Kragar  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:40:00am

Navy Crowdsources Future Energy Strategy with Wargame

If Call of Duty has lost its sparkle, the U.S. Navy hopes you are ready to play a different kind of online wargame.

Today the Navy will open up a new version of its MMOWGLI gaming project to players around the world, to develop innovative new “outlier” strategies for Navy and Marine Corps energy supplies.

MMOWGLI - which stands for Massive Multiplayer Online Wargame Leveraging the Internet - was launched last June to enlist help from unconventional thinkers to tackle the issue of piracy with an eye to the Navy’s future technologies, tactics and logistics in 2021 and beyond.

The new iteration, EnergyMMOWGLI, asks the question, “How can the Navy best meet future energy demands?” Drilling for more oil is out - the game is specifically focused on reducing fossil fuel dependency.

As IdeaLab has previously reported, the Department of the Navy has already begun an aggressive transition out of fossil fuels along with the Army and Air Force. The official description of EnergyMMOWGLI expounds on a number of familiar themes:

54 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:42:29am

re: #50 dragonfire1981

And that, in a nutshell, is Romney's problem.

He's changed positions so frequently on so many issues that even he HIMSELF cannot remember it all...but evidently he stands by all of it.

And this man wants to be President?

You know I can't stand people like Bryan Fisher but I will give him credit for one thing: His viewpoints and beliefs, extreme though they may be, are usually consistent and rarely change.

I respect someone like that more than I do a man who changes his stripes whenever needed to get what he wants.

The old adage about wanting to please everyone all the time results in displeasing people applies well to Romney here. He keeps on changing his positions. In 1994, he actually tried to position himself to the left of Senator Kennedy on GLBT issues. Now here he is signing NOM's petition and saying he's against civil unions and the rights of gays to adopt. He goes from having what becomes the blueprint for Obamacare to running away from it and saying he'll repeal it even though it's very close to what he did as governor. He has shown himself since running for president for the first time in 2008 to be a guy completely devoid of leadership qualities. When a position Mitt has taken is seen to be unpopular, he flops on it. Which is why you see him moving away from the xenophobic rhetoric he used on immigration to neutralize Perry in the primaries.

55 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:46:29am

re: #52 ggt

So many one the right automatically equate --business leader with Job creation.

They of all people should know that in making a business efficient and profitable, the first and biggest line item to be scrutinized is "payroll".

Many companies were water-logged with dead weight in the form of employees. A lot of re-org and streamlining had to be done. But IIRC this was accomplished in the past two decades. Which was when Romney was active in business-no?

Most major businesses are driven by consumer demand. More consumer demand for the product=more jobs at all levels, not just in manufacturing the product but in the supporting infrastructure (engineering, administration, IT support)

Companies that manufacture consumer goods should bear in mind that the workers who PRODUCE their products should also be able to PURCHASE their products. Henry Ford was a douche in many ways, but he totally understood this concept.

56 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:47:31am

re: #55 Learned Mother of Zion

Most major businesses are driven by consumer demand. More consumer demand for the product=more jobs at all levels, not just in manufacturing the product but in the supporting infrastructure (engineering, administration, IT support)

Companies that manufacture consumer goods should bear in mind that the workers who PRODUCE their products should also be able to PURCHASE their products. Henry Ford was a douche in many ways, but he totally understood this concept.

By this philosophy all Walmart stores should be located in China.

57 Kragar  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:48:25am

North Carolina Pastor: Pen In ‘All The Lesbians And Queers’ With An Electrified Fence, Wait For Them To ‘Die Out’

WORLEY: I figured a way out — a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers. But I couldn’t get it passed through Congress. Build a great big large fence, 150 or 100 miles long. Put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. Have that fence electrified so they can’t get out. Feed ‘em, and– And you know what? In a few years they’ll die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce.

What fucking planet is this motherfucker from?

58 Targetpractice  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:50:12am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I know hence the qualifier. He's a jerk. He should have been playing Michael Douglas's character n Wall Street not running for president.

Yeah, nothing quite like having Gordon Gekko running for the Oval Office.

59 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:50:32am

re: #57 Kragar

North Carolina Pastor: Pen In ‘All The Lesbians And Queers’ With An Electrified Fence, Wait For Them To ‘Die Out’

What fucking planet is this motherfucker from?

Planet Auschwitz. (sorry to Godwin but sometimes you just gotta Godwin)

60 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:51:05am

re: #57 Kragar

North Carolina Pastor: Pen In ‘All The Lesbians And Queers’ With An Electrified Fence, Wait For Them To ‘Die Out’

What fucking planet is this motherfucker from?

I really think in a way that Obama knew that by declaring his support for marriage equality, all the crazies like this would come out of the woodworks. What a crazy bastard though. And assholes like this convince themselves that they're the noble defenders of freedom and morals while the gays and their allies who want to allow gays to marry are for tyranny and immorality.

61 Kragar  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:51:27am

re: #59 Learned Mother of Zion

Planet Auschwitz. (sorry to Godwin but sometimes you just gotta Godwin)

Its an apt comparison.

62 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:51:40am

re: #58 Targetpractice

Yeah, nothing quite like having Gordon Gekko running for the Oval Office.

He really does seem like he would be a great movie villain.

63 jaunte  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:54:16am

re: #57 Kragar

I figured a way out — a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers. But I couldn’t get it passed through Congress. Build a great big large fence, 150 or 100 miles long.

Worley might be too stupid to walk around the end of that fence, but he shouldn't judge others by his own weakness.

64 Kragar  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:56:06am

re: #63 jaunte

Worley might be too stupid to walk around the end of that fence, but he shouldn't judge others by his own weakness.

WALKING AROUND FENCES IS THE DEVIL!

65 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 21, 2012 11:56:47am

re: #64 Kragar

WALKING AROUND FENCES IS THE DEVIL!

I thought that was only in Georgia?

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 21, 2012 12:00:55pm

So funny, and strangely appropriate to political rhetoric!

LOL

I think a Phd dissertation could be written on it.

Convincing the electorate that blue is red, up is down, etc.

67 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 21, 2012 12:08:06pm

re: #65 ggt

I thought that was only in Georgia?

The devil, he gets around.

68 teresa  Mon, May 21, 2012 12:13:26pm

Cory Booker of course is completely wrong, and it's "nauseating" to me that he feels the need to pander to the folks who crashed the economy.
Booker, unfortunately is pulling the classic Democratic Politician blunder, by playing right into the hands of Frank Luntz so he can make a few ads using Cory Booker against President Obama. It won't work of course. And in the end it becomes more a problem for Booker and his own standing within the party. And it seems foolish to that to yourself. But I am not surprised, television punditry does strange things to people.

69 Sophia77  Mon, May 21, 2012 12:19:14pm

I agree with Charles and think the criticism of Obama is off-base.

Predatory capitalism, "creative destruction," etc are absolutely fair game for discussion and so is the failure of our industrial leaders to keep American jobs in America, and to innovate so that we didn't lose entire industries - like steel.

In fact we darn near lost the auto industry; thanks to the Obama Administration Detroit might actually survive.

But they came close to losing it because they didn't listen to the global demand for fuel efficient and more "green" automobiles.

70 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 21, 2012 12:50:49pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

The devil, he gets around.

Only if he really existed . . .

LOL

71 S'latch  Mon, May 21, 2012 2:52:25pm

I don't understand how a business owner can get rich by bankrupting the business. Is there really such a flaw in the bankruptcy code?


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