1 freetoken  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:31:06pm

I see that up in the Pages we have yet another entry from the Aigle-bot, this time linking to an entry at the New English Review, a nest full of Jihad Watch members, contributors to the likes of WND, Geert Wilders, etc.

The article is a pretty typical example to pigeonhole a mainstream (read "liberal") Protestant denomination as being "monomaniacal" in their anti-Israel stance, etc.

The CAMERA organization is really hitting bottom.

2 engineer cat  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:39:16pm

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling
organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). May 16-20, 2012. N=approx. 500 adults nationwide.

"Do you feel confident or not confident that life for our children's
generation will be better than it has been for us?"

pretty soon wearing jeans is gonna make you look old and out of touch

pretty soon listening to rock n roll will only be for really old folks

pretty soon "hey, man, what's up" will be mentioned as an example of old
fashioned slang

pretty soon 25 year old bank associate vice presidents will be looking at you and wondering what the hell you think you are doing don't you know what year it is

pretty soon you will start the process of denying that our time has come and gone

3 austin_blue  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:40:17pm

Well, that was...strange. Bouncy, though!

4 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:41:14pm

re: #1 freetoken

I see that up in the Pages we have yet another entry from the Aigle-bot, this time linking to an entry at the New English Review, a nest full of Jihad Watch members, contributors to the likes of WND, Geert Wilders, etc.

The article is a pretty typical example to pigeonhole a mainstream (read "liberal") Protestant denomination as being "monomaniacal" in their anti-Israel stance, etc.

The CAMERA organization is really hitting bottom.

Commentary Magazine has also gone full wingnut. It's really sad, they used to be all academic and intellectual and stuff.

5 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:42:21pm

re: #3 austin_blue

Well, that was...strange. Bouncy, though!

I like the hoodie robes! I want one! Actually, I already have one, but I would like more in a bunch of different colors.

6 Daniel Ballard  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:45:59pm

Just heard amazing freestyle rhyme from King Sun, who just happens to be hanging out at the pool with the crew. Not my usual style but just freakin jaw dropping skills there.

7 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:50:19pm

re: #5 Learned Mother of Zion

Saw your scrumptious looking cheesecake the other day, nom, nom, nom.... Now that your baby girl is married, would you & Zedushka by any chance be interested in adopting a middle-aged Muslim woman? // LOL

8 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:52:12pm

I noticed the story about LBJ school's "public problem."

I still say it fits LBJ.

9 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:53:00pm

re: #7 CuriousLurker

Saw your scrumptious looking cheesecake the other day, nom, nom, nom... Now that your baby girl is married, would you & Zedushka by any chance be interested in adopting a middle-aged Muslim woman? // LOL

Could you withstand the temptation of "Pie Day" during Ramadan?

10 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:53:49pm

re: #9 Learned Mother of Zion

Could you withstand the temptation of "Pie Day" during Ramadan?

Oh man, I hadn't thought of that. Damn!

11 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:55:13pm

re: #9 Learned Mother of Zion

Could you withstand the temptation of "Pie Day" during Ramadan?

If you're also willing to adopt a middle aged atheist I'll eat her pie rations for Ramadan.

12 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:56:36pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

If you're also willing to adopt a middle aged atheist I'll eat her pie rations for Ramadan.

That could work. Two for the price of one, Alouette?

13 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:58:11pm
14 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 6:59:26pm

re: #13 ggt

OMG--too good not to share early on in the thread

Noooo! I'd totally forgotten about that site!

15 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:03:29pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

KT, do you have tadpoles yet? *waves*

16 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:05:26pm

re: #15 Dancing along the light of day

Hey, you! Long time no see. How've you been?

17 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:05:43pm

I haven't read any news, been fighting a migraine all day.

Anything happening?

What did they decide at the NATO conference?

18 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:06:31pm

re: #17 ggt

What did they decide at the NATO conference?

They're putting KT in charge of security next time. //

19 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:06:43pm

re: #12 CuriousLurker

That could work. Two for the price of one, Alouette?

The Oreo Trifle.

My son and his family of girls are coming for the weekend!

Must. Bake. Pie.

20 JAFO  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:07:09pm

re: #13 ggt

OMG--too good not to share early on in the thread

When I worked for an electronics manufacturer, our favorite prank was to put bubble-wrap next to the wheel of the technician's chair while he was working on power supplies.

21 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:09:13pm

re: #19 Learned Mother of Zion

The Oreo Trifle.

My son and his family of girls are coming for the weekend!

Must. Bake. Pie.

OMG!

*glares at KT* Back away from the the Oreo Trifle, kaffir boy—it's not Ramadan yet, so don't make me go all jihadi on you. //

22 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:10:32pm

re: #21 CuriousLurker

OMG!

*glares at KT* Back away from the the Oreo Trifle, kaffir boy—it's not Ramadan yet, so don't make me go all jihadi on you. //

Wow.

Throws the pie in the center of the ring. Release CL and KT!

Sell Tickets.

23 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:10:44pm

re: #16 CuriousLurker

Hey, you! Long time no see. How've you been?

Well, and you?

24 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:10:56pm

re: #22 Learned Mother of Zion

Hahahahaha!

25 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:11:45pm

re: #23 Dancing along the light of day

Well, and you?

Glad to hear it. I've been doing pretty good, all things considered. ;)

26 Henchman 26  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:14:09pm

re: #22 Learned Mother of Zion

Wow.

Throws the pie in the center of the ring. Release CL and KT!

Sell Tickets.

I've got $100 on CL.

27 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:20:07pm

re: #26 Ghost of Insanity

I've got $100 on CL.

For $100 I will bake your own pie, with your initials in pie crust and sparkly sugar sprinkles.

28 Henchman 26  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:20:36pm

re: #25 CuriousLurker

Glad to hear it. I've been doing pretty good, all things considered. ;)

I try not to do good, doing evil is so much more fun.

29 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:23:18pm

I am writing. First time in a couple of weeks. I'm redoing the first vampire story I wrote. I'm a much better writer than I was seven years ago.

30 Henchman 26  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:25:34pm

re: #29 Romantic Heretic

I am writing. First time in a couple of weeks. I'm redoing the first vampire story I wrote. I'm a much better writer than I was seven years ago.

I've always wanted to rub elbows with a famous author.

31 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:25:50pm

re: #28 Ghost of Insanity

I try not to do good, doing evil is so much more fun.

Heh, yeah, kinda like all the stuff that tastes really good is bad for you—butter, sugar, etc.

32 Henchman 26  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:26:50pm

re: #31 CuriousLurker

Heh, yeah, kinda like all the stuff that tastes really good is bad for you—butter, sugar, etc.

In my world you only live once, so you might as well enjoy the hell out of it.

33 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:28:40pm

Anyone got thoughts on what Clyburn said? I think he had a point, then he lost it. And now it is so lost, there are Missing Posters.

Rep. James Clyburn, the House's No. 3 Democratic leader, said in a TV interview today that the presumptive GOP presidential nominee and the private-equity firm he founded have been involved in "raping companies."

And yes, I looked through the news to confirm it happened.

34 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:28:49pm

re: #31 CuriousLurker

Heh, yeah, kinda like all the stuff that tastes really good is bad for you—butter, sugar, etc.

That's why I only make cheesecake once a year.

35 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:30:47pm

re: #15 Dancing along the light of day

KT, do you have tadpoles yet? *waves*

Yup. Many little tads swimming already and the adults are still having late night parties leaving new egg clusters almost every morning.

36 Henchman 26  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:31:10pm

re: #34 Learned Mother of Zion

That's why I only make cheesecake once a year.

And I eat cheesecake once a month.

37 CuriousLurker  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:35:54pm

Oh boy, here we go. One of my feline overlords has decided it's past due time for for me to stop typing and give her my full attention, NOW. Resistance is futile.

Have a good night, everyone.

38 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:36:38pm

re: #33 ProGunLiberal

Anyone got thoughts on what Clyburn said? I think he had a point, then he lost it. And now it is so lost, there are Missing Posters. From:

And yes, I looked through the new to confirm it happened.

It might be a troublesome line of attack. It's certainly fair game but there are plenty of pitfalls.

39 JAFO  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:37:02pm
40 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:37:52pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

The only uncomfortable thing here for me is one word.

Rape.

Calling this rape seems to trivialize rape.

41 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:42:23pm

re: #40 ProGunLiberal

The only uncomfortable thing here for me is one word.

Rape.

Calling this rape seems to trivialize rape.

It's a valid, older use.

3rape
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1
: an act or instance of robbing or despoiling or carrying away a person by force
2
: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent — compare sexual assault, statutory rape
3
: an outrageous violation
First Known Use of RAPE
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42 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:45:05pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

Point made. But will most people think of the other meaning. Also, I can't shake the feeling he went just a bit hyperbolic.

43 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:46:34pm

Well, finally actually finished the story line for Skyrim

44 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:49:37pm

I played alot on photoshop.

45 Four More Tears  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:53:17pm

re: #43 Kragar

Well, finally actually finished the story line for Skyrim

Congratulations. You just finished, what, 5% of the content with that? Tops?

46 blueraven  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:55:44pm

re: #33 ProGunLiberal

Anyone got thoughts on what Clyburn said? I think he had a point, then he lost it. And now it is so lost, there are Missing Posters.

And yes, I looked through the news to confirm it happened.

Over the line. I suspect he will be walking that back.

And I must add, its good to see that you can recognize the downside when other people take it too far.

47 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:55:47pm

off for a while, maybe back, maybe not.

Have a good one all!

48 Lidane  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:56:18pm

re: #45 It's a cookbook!

Congratulations. You just finished, what, 5% of the content with that? Tops?

Nah. More like 2%. 3% if he's lucky. Haha.

49 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:57:58pm

re: #47 ggt

You are to awesome to go away permanently.

re: #46 blueraven

He could have said the companies were being hit with parasites, or being sucked dry by these metaphorical vampires.

But he went with rape. Why?

50 Four More Tears  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:58:04pm

re: #48 Lidane

Nah. More like 2%. 3% if he's lucky. Haha.

The shouts you get from the main quest are pretty boss, though.

51 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 7:58:35pm

re: #50 It's a cookbook!

The shouts you get from the main quest are pretty boss, though.

Yeah, thats about it.

52 Four More Tears  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:00:13pm

re: #51 Kragar

Yeah, thats about it.

And guess who's got two thumbs and just finished installing Diablo 3?

This guy.

53 blueraven  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:02:41pm

re: #49 ProGunLiberal

You are to awesome to go away permanently.

re: #46 blueraven

He could have said the companies were being hit with parasites, or being sucked dry by these metaphorical vampires.

But he went with rape. Why?

I have no idea.
He is an older black man that has seen his share of injustices. I am sure that colors his vision. And it may be an apt description in some cases. But politically speaking, it is not good.

54 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:05:54pm

re: #53 blueraven

I have no idea.
He is an older black man that has seen his share of injustices. I am sure that colors his vision. And it may be an apt description in some cases. But politically speaking, it is not good.

I think it was a reference to the common phrase "rape and pillage". If he has said "pillage" it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

55 Stanghazi  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:08:17pm

re: #49 ProGunLiberal

You are to awesome to go away permanently.

re: #46 blueraven

He could have said the companies were being hit with parasites, or being sucked dry by these metaphorical vampires.

But he went with rape. Why?

He's kinda old. Don't think he considers vampires. Ever.

56 Mich-again  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:09:56pm

re: #53 blueraven

I prefer to describe Mitt's career at Bain Capital as "garbage picking in a suit."

57 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:10:18pm

re: #54 moderatelyradicalliberal

That too. So he had 3 reasonable options, and went with a really gaffe-y one.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:16:55pm

re: #45 It's a cookbook!

Congratulations. You just finished, what, 5% of the content with that? Tops?

That sounds like Dragon Quest 9 on my DS. I've got the main story long done but oodles of quests & dungeons are left to deal with, I like having the main story be relatively easy but then lots & lots & lots of "post-game" stuff to play through.

59 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:20:51pm

re: #57 ProGunLiberal

That too. So he had 3 reasonable options, and went with a really gaffe-y one.

He should have said "vulture capitalism" and left it at that. People get that phrase and it doesn't seem outlandish.

60 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:36:20pm

re: #56 Mich-again

I prefer to describe Mitt's career at Bain Capital as "garbage picking in a suit."

So, you'd have just let the failing companies go under?

61 Lidane  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:40:26pm

Looks like the powers that be in Arizona were not amused:

Bennett Backs Off Birther Threat, Apologizes To Arizona

After days of ridicule for launching a conspiracy theory-fueled investigation into Barack Obama’s birth certificate, Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett on Tuesday backed off his threat to keep the president off the ballot in November and apologized to his state.

“If I embarrassed the state, I apologize, but that certainly wasn’t my intent,” Bennett said in an interview with Phoenix radio station KTAR. “He’ll be on the ballot as long as he fills out the same paperwork and does the same things that everybody else has.”

62 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:40:37pm

re: #58 William Barnett-Lewis

Speaking of which, me and Birth By Sleep are in a dispute. Namely, I think its random number generator is a crock of horseshit.

63 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:41:52pm

re: #61 Lidane

Looks like the powers that be in Arizona were not amused:

Bennett Backs Off Birther Threat, Apologizes To Arizona

Someone rapped Mr. Bennett on the knuckles and reminded of just how stupid he sounded.

64 Mich-again  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:45:19pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

I never said that. Nice Strawman.

Everyone knows the early garbage picker gets the good stuff.

65 Lidane  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:46:01pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

Someone rapped Mr. Bennett on the knuckles and reminded of just how stupid he sounded.

The freepers, however are not happy:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

66 Mich-again  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:48:00pm
“If I embarrassed the state, I apologize, but that certainly wasn’t my intent,” Bennett said

His intent was to get back at the evil Feds for picking on his hero Sheriff Joe.

67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:48:33pm

so, I did some laundry . .

what did you do?

68 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:48:37pm

re: #64 Mich-again

I never said that. Nice Strawman.

Everyone knows the early garbage picker gets the good stuff.

Well again, let's say you were in the shoes of the Bain people overseeing a failing steel mill. Chinese steel being dumped into the US makes it almost impossible to turn a profit, and your mill's union doesn't want to allow for much flexibility.

What would you do, bearing in mind that by law your primary loyalty is to Bain?

69 Lidane  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:52:27pm

Shocka! Turns out the virulently anti-gay pastor that called for rounding up LGBT people into camps has been saying similar things for decades:

North Carolina Anti-Gay Pastor In 1978: Gays Used To Be ‘Hung, Bless God, From A White Oak Tree’

"I’m God’s preacher. I just believe the book. Living in a day when, you know what, it saddens my heart to think that homosexuals can go around, bless God, and get the applause of a lot of people. Lesbians and all the rest of it? Bless God, forty years ago they’d have hung ‘em, bless God, from a white oak tree, wouldn’t they? Amen."

70 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:53:34pm
71 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:53:42pm

re: #65 Lidane

The freepers, however are not happy:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Good. If it pisses off Freepers, it can't be all bad.

72 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:54:03pm

re: #69 Lidane

Shocka! Turns out the virulently anti-gay pastor that called for rounding up LGBT people into camps has been saying similar things for decades:

North Carolina Anti-Gay Pastor In 1978: Gays Used To Be ‘Hung, Bless God, From A White Oak Tree’

Really walking in Jesus's shoes isn't he?

73 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:54:34pm
74 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:56:37pm

re: #49 ProGunLiberal

You are to awesome to go away permanently.

I love it when people speak the truth!

/LOL

75 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:56:58pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

So, you'd have just let the failing companies go under?

They had more chance of survival without Bain. When Bain walks in it's all over but the bankruptcy filing or the jobs being off shored. Those two results, seriously, seem to be the only things that happen to Bain damaged companies...

76 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:57:00pm

re: #73 ggt

Did you see the baby bear?

Very cute. but if you wish to see an overdose of cute, then you must see this little seal pup.

77 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 8:58:17pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Very cute. but if you wish to see an overdose of cute, then you must see this little seal pup.

I call your little seal pup and raise you one orphan dolphin.

78 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:01:50pm

re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis

They had more chance of survival without Bain. When Bain walks in it's all over but the bankruptcy filing or the jobs being off shored. Those two results, seriously, seem to be the only things that happen to Bain damaged companies...

They saved Staples, and at least one steel mill in Indiana, and that's just a start. Corey Booker is right to say that Bain helped create more jobs than it eliminated.

79 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:01:57pm
80 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:02:17pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Very cute. but if you wish to see an overdose of cute, then you must see this little seal pup.

(I shouldn't, I know I shouldn't Oh what the heck).

I once read that "a fair fight is clubbing baby seals". This reminded me of that comment in full gore technicolor ...

81 Lidane  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:02:42pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Very cute. but if you wish to see an overdose of cute, then you must see this little seal pup.

I see your seal pup and raise you a micro-piggie hugging a strawberry:

[Link: www.peoplepets.com...]

82 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:02:52pm

‘Barcode everyone at birth’

This week science fiction writer Elizabeth Moon argues that everyone should be given a barcode at birth.

“If I were empress of the Universe I would insist on every individual having a unique ID permanently attached - a barcode if you will; an implanted chip to provide an easy, fast inexpensive way to identify individuals.

It would be imprinted on everyone at birth. Point the scanner at someone and there it is.

Having such a unique barcode would have many advantages. In war soldiers could easily differentiate legitimate targets in a population from non combatants.

83 Mich-again  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03:11pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

As if someone could formulate a thoughtful answer based on that.. Lets see.. Union Bad! That's the answer, right?

Well here's what I'd do.. I'd dump all their pensions onto the Feds, lay off everyone who worked there, auction off all their assets and close the place down and then let the creditors fight over scraps in court until none of it mattered.. Oh wait, thats what Mitt proposed for the domestic auto industry. Nevermind..

84 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03:20pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, so many other stories say otherwise.

In the majority of cases, it looks like they took control of companies to dismantle them and sell of the pieces. Romney only knows how to be a parasite.

He will do the same to the US. We don't need a new feudal era.

85 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03:41pm

re: #79 ProGunLiberal

I prefer Otters.

yes, they are vewy, vewy cute also!

86 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:04:01pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

So, you'd have just let the failing companies go under?

Someone clearly does not understand the concept behind the their business plan. Bain did provide money to failing companies that they thought were positioned to earn good returns under new investor management. However just as often they seem to have acquired companies with a failing business model solely in order to borrow heavily against them, give themselves a dividend from the windfall and then within a few years (once the bankruptcy/IRS rules on the distribution were satisfied) have the company declare bankruptcy.

I don't like the idea of people playing "Heads I win and Tails I win Too" with other peoples money and livelihoods. But that seems to be the name of the game on Wall Street now.

87 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:04:17pm

re: #81 Lidane

I see your seal pup and raise you a micro-piggie hugging a strawberry:

[Link: www.peoplepets.com...]

that is not a real strawberry!

88 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:04:21pm

re: #82 ggt

‘Barcode everyone at birth’

I'd reply, but I cannot even hear my own voice over the shouts of anger from both right and left that such a proposal would raise here in the US.

89 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:04:32pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

They saved Staples, and at least one steel mill in Indiana, and that's just a start. Corey Booker is right to say that Bain helped create more jobs than it eliminated.

I'd need to pull up a list of every company ever touched by them and I've too much Guiness and Beam on board to do it tonight so pardon me for simply saying that I find that difficult to believe.

90 Lidane  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:04:58pm

re: #87 ggt

that is not a real strawberry!

True, but it's a real piggie. The visual is so cute it makes my teeth hurt. Heh.

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:06:39pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

I'd reply, but I cannot even hear my own voice over the shouts of anger from both right and left that such a proposal would raise here in the US.

It's ironic in that it was a Fox show but I immediately flashed on the intro to the short lived (alas) SF series "Dark Angel". Much better than that Firefly dreck but just as unfortunately killed off.

92 bratwurst  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:07:11pm
93 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:07:57pm

re: #83 Mich-again

As if someone could formulate a thoughtful answer based on that.. Lets see.. Union Bad! That's the answer, right?

Well here's what I'd do.. I'd dump all their pensions onto the Feds, lay off everyone who worked there, auction off all their assets and close the place down and then let the creditors fight over scraps in court until none of it mattered.. Oh wait, thats what Mitt proposed for the domestic auto industry. Nevermind..

The part of the answer is: Union needs to be more flexible. Union not bad for steel workers, union needed to keep them from getting hurt by low safety standards. But union must learn when it no can dig in heels, for union only have members if mills makes money.

/Mongo (after the candygram)

94 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:08:38pm

re: #92 bratwurst

Also breaking:

Bear shits in woods.

95 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:10:18pm

re: #81 Lidane

I see your seal pup and raise you a micro-piggie hugging a strawberry:

[Link: www.peoplepets.com...]

I has a sad...poor seal...

Image: poster15884650.jpg

96 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:10:41pm

re: #91 William Barnett-Lewis

It's ironic in that it was a Fox show but I immediately flashed on the intro to the short lived (alas) SF series "Dark Angel". Much better than that Firefly dreck but just as unfortunately killed off.

OK, now we agree of something. Moving Dark Angel to Fridays in its second season was foolish, though I think it was also that after 9/11 Fox didn't really like having a show where the heroine was fighting a corrupt American government.

97 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:10:44pm

re: #95 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Why did you put that up? :(

98 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:11:30pm

re: #91 William Barnett-Lewis

I've never seen Firefly, but did see Serenity.

What are the problems with Firefly?

99 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:12:46pm

re: #94 ProGunLiberal

Also breaking:

Bear shits in woods.

Follow up story: Illinois governor Pat Quinn has state fine bear $500 for shitting in the woods. When asked why he would issue such a fine, Quinn replied "We're broke and need the money."

//

100 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:13:09pm

I don't know, I think Princess Dog is rather cute.

101 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:13:21pm

re: #97 ProGunLiberal

Why did you put that up? :(

To depress you, why else?

///

102 Daniel Ballard  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:17:36pm

re: #82 ggt

‘Barcode everyone at birth’

As if we are not sufficiently unique to measure already?
Fingerprint, DNA, retina pattern, face recognition...

What did they think was missing?

103 Mich-again  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:22:20pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

In much of manufacturing, the cost of direct labor is much smaller than the cost for energy or raw materials or scrap/repairs. For a steel mill to really be efficient it has to have modern efficient equipment and controls, and that requires capital investment. But if you are on a mission to hurry up and make a business seem more profitable right now without requiring any investment, then the easy thing to do is slash labor costs by hacking the union to death.

In the big picture, labor cost reductions may be small gain, but they won't require time or a capital investment. And if all you need to do is show evidence of a turnaround in the works in order to leverage more cash out of the operation, then demonizing the labor force is an easy target even if it won't make the place stay competitive for the long term.

104 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:25:01pm

Barcodeing would eliminate whole departments within departments of government stuff.

No need for driver's licenses, credit cards, birth certificates.

Then there would be the increase in fraud/crime departments from people altering bar-codes and forging them . . .

Like in Repo-Man (movie), each organ would have to be barcoded . . .so if you wake-up in the hotel bathtub full of ice . ..

105 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:25:42pm

re: #98 ProGunLiberal

I've never seen Firefly, but did see Serenity.

What are the problems with Firefly?

Oy. Where do I begin? There is no way that many inhabitable planets with near normal gravity will be in ONE SINGLE SOLAR SYSTEM. That all of the survivors could get moved interstellar distances but not have interstellar drives once they get there? That they heroes just happen to be clones of "Outlaw Josey Wales" level confederate soldiers while the ebil gobernmet is pure Union? That the whole "Wild wild west" schtick was never explained - why would Joe Snuffy be looking at the south end of a mule that's headed north in a universe where cheap fusion (see the Serenity class itself!!!) exists?

The real reason is that Joss Whedon is, frankly, the laziest writer this side of Stephen King or Annie Rice. He loves to blow it all off as unimportant but, despite the super particle of the week problem, the reason Star Trek is still around is because they at least tried to pretend to actually be SF. Firefly never even tried. I am surprised Fox didn't push it harder as it fit their political spin perfectly.

Dark Angel was real SF unlike Firefly. As DF notes, that probably scared the piss out of Fox in post 9/11 America.

106 Mich-again  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:28:53pm

re: #104 ggt

And then they could eliminate cash by matching your barcode to a debit card account...
/

107 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:29:25pm

re: #106 Mich-again

And then they could eliminate cash by matching your barcode to a debit card account...
/

exactly!

Some code in your DNA could be your PIN!

108 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:30:05pm

I'm still bitter Farscape got cancelled while Stargate limped along past its time with a lame spin off series to boot.

109 dragonath  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:30:14pm

re: #92 bratwurst

Damn, really? I was hoping they would troll them for more. But I guess Arizona already cried uncle.

110 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:31:07pm

re: #104 ggt

Barcodeing would eliminate whole departments within departments of government stuff.

No need for driver's licenses, credit cards, birth certificates.

Then there would be the increase in fraud/crime departments from people altering bar-codes and forging them . . .

Like in Repo-Man (movie), each organ would have to be barcoded . . .so if you wake-up in the hotel bathtub full of ice . ..

I was prepared to really dislike that movie, but the last 5 minutes turned me around.

111 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:32:12pm

Hah!

Defeated the random generator in Birth By Sleep. It took about 15 tries.

112 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:32:17pm

While I was wide-awake the other early morning, I watched part of a show on the Science Channel with Stephen Hawking and some other really, really smart people. It had cool graphics about how each universe has been found to have a Super Black Hole --and it is thought to be part of the origins of said universe.

I think I might have understood it.

113 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:32:59pm

re: #110 Kragar

I was prepared to really dislike that movie, but the last 5 minutes turned me around.

I kinda liked it from the beginning.

Interesting concept --the acting was good.

114 Mich-again  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:33:05pm

re: #107 ggt

exactly!

Some code in your DNA could be your PIN!

And then maybe we will be able to plug a flash drive into our neck to retrieve old files from the brain. I could use that..

115 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:33:51pm

THIS really pisses me off!

116 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:34:16pm

re: #114 Mich-again

And then maybe we will be able to plug a flash drive into our neck to retrieve old files from the brain. I could use that..

Yeah, I don't know tho.

Mine would be pretty garbled.

117 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:35:38pm

re: #108 Kragar

I'm still bitter Farscape got cancelled while Stargate limped along past its time with a lame spin off series to boot.

A spin off series? Last I counted there were/had been three. (Although I actually have to admit to growing to like "universe" past the fifth episode or so and was sad that it got the ax.)

118 Mich-again  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:35:47pm

When I go back and read Isaac Asimov SF, it cracks me up how all the great robot scientists eventually have to light up a cigarette.

119 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36:32pm

re: #117 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

A spin off series? Last I counted there were/had been three. (Although I actually have to admit to growing to like "universe" past the fifth episode or so and was sad that it got the ax.)

I was referring to it at the time Farscape got the axe, when it was just SG and Atlantis.

120 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36:52pm

re: #105 William Barnett-Lewis

Thanks for explanation. No wonder those Conservatives Freshman Year liked it so much.

What I find interesting is plausibly colonizing the Solar System in the Long Term. That is cool enough.

When I think of that, the only thing I can think of is Cowboy Bebop. Anything else?

121 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:37:19pm

I liked Stargate Atlantis.

But, I quit watching TV regularly about half-way thru.

122 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:37:21pm

re: #113 ggt

I kinda liked it from the beginning.

Interesting concept --the acting was good.

I like Forrest Whitaker as a bad guy.

123 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:38:00pm

re: #106 Mich-again

And then they could eliminate cash by matching your barcode to a debit card account...
/

The RPG Traveller had a story arc involving a Civil War that none of the factions could win. Towards the end there was a supplement called "Hard Times" about the collapse of civilization. One of the most ... difficult... illustrations I've ever seen in an RPG supplement was of a pregnant woman with a child at her feet in front of an ATM being told "Credit Denied. Your Account Has Been Terminated." Very cold; very true.

124 Four More Tears  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:38:13pm

re: #91 William Barnett-Lewis

It's ironic in that it was a Fox show but I immediately flashed on the intro to the short lived (alas) SF series "Dark Angel". Much better than that Firefly dreck but just as unfortunately killed off.

urge... to downding... rising...

125 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:38:17pm

re: #121 ggt

I liked Stargate Atlantis.

Admitting you're a bad person is a good first step.
/

126 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:38:26pm

re: #122 Kragar

I like Forrest Whitaker as a bad guy.

But he really wasn't at the end, was he?

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:38:53pm

re: #125 Kragar

Admitting you're a bad person is a good first step.
/

and my life as become unmanageable. .. .
/

128 JAFO  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:39:03pm

re: #117 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

A spin off series? Last I counted there were/had been three. (Although I actually have to admit to growing to like "universe" past the fifth episode or so and was sad that it got the ax.)

SGU was pretty good. I liked it better than SG.

129 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:40:07pm

Mostly, I think I liked the Atlantis set.

I tend to be swayed by art design/architecture.

and, I liked the doctor character.

130 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:41:20pm

re: #126 ggt

But he really wasn't at the end, was he?

Keeping your friend in a coma for as long as you can pay for it = not really good considering you're the one who put him in the coma, and he's only in the mess he's in because you screwed him over

Killing off a whole warehouse of people to get to him, then continuing to do so, so you can pay the bills for your buddy = call it a grey area.

131 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:42:14pm

re: #130 Kragar

Keeping your friend in a coma for as long as you can pay for it = not really good considering you're the one who put him in the coma, and he's only in the mess he's in because you screwed him over

Killing off a whole warehouse of people to get to him, then continuing to do so, so you can pay the bills for your buddy = call it a grey area.

but, it was a happy coma . . . .

I mean, he stood by his buddy. He could have just let him die . . .

132 Four More Tears  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:42:20pm

re: #128 Purple Throbbing Standby

SGU was pretty good. I liked it better than SG.

*sigh* It did not live up to it's potential, and I think it had a lot. Loved the morally gray (and that's being kind) doctor.

133 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:42:37pm

re: #124 It's a cookbook!

urge... to downding... rising...

Sorry, go ahead if it makes it better. But do please consider my other post on why I dislike Firefly over other semi-recent SF attempts.

134 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:42:46pm

MIgraine is unbearble all.

going back to bed.

Have a good one.

135 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:44:19pm

re: #133 William Barnett-Lewis

You familiar with Cowboy Bebop. I caught 50-75% of the episodes on Adult Swim when it was one it some years ago.

136 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:45:42pm

re: #131 ggt

but, it was a happy coma . . .

I mean, he stood by his buddy. He could have just let him die . . .

He could have not rigged the defibrillator to explode in the first place...

137 Four More Tears  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:45:54pm

re: #133 William Barnett-Lewis

Sorry, go ahead if it makes it better. But do please consider my other post on why I dislike Firefly over other semi-recent SF attempts.

I think the SF concept was a low priority for him. Even though he decided to go so far as keep sound out of space. But I digress. His science, while you're totally correct in that it's horribly flawed, isn't all that worse than Star Wars. His strengths lie in his characters and dialogue. I'd argue that he had a much more interesting sci-fi concept at least in Dollhouse.

138 Four More Tears  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:46:27pm

re: #136 Kragar

He could have not rigged the defibrillator to explode in the first place...

Mitt Romney would call that a "prank."

139 dragonath  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:46:41pm

Are there any trekkies out there? Since lizards are talking about Sci-Fi, I wanted to say that the first season of TOS is way, way better than the 2nd.

I wish the Trek movie had a little bit of the feel the Corbomite Manuever episode had.

140 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:47:15pm

re: #135 ProGunLiberal

You familiar with Cowboy Bebop. I caught 50-75% of the episodes on Adult Swim when it was one it some years ago.

Yeah, it's ok. I never really got into it but I'd rather it than many things :)

141 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:48:34pm

Know what comic needs a movie/tv series?

Warheads.

Think Stargate, but run by a private company that uses mercenaries to steal anything they can get their hands on.

142 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:49:35pm

re: #140 William Barnett-Lewis

The reason I find it interesting is the scenario of colonization of the solar system seems plausible in the long-term. I don't remember interstellar travel. That part seems likely.

Not the part about some sort of gate malfunctioning, blowing away a huge chunk of the moon, making Earth nearly uninhabitable from constant bombardment.

143 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:50:34pm

re: #139 Be Zorch, Daddio

Are there any trekkies out there? Since lizards are talking about Sci-Fi, I wanted to say that the first season of TOS is way, way better than the 2nd.

I wish the Trek movie had a little bit of the feel the Corbomite Manuever episode had.

I think that the reason I loved the reboot is that it felt like "Corbomite Maneuver" in a way - when Kirk is arguing with Spock and gets tossed off of the ship? That's a delight.

144 Four More Tears  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:51:05pm

re: #141 Kragar

Know what comic needs a movie/tv series?

Warheads.

Think Stargate, but run by a private company that uses mercenaries to steal anything they can get their hands on.

Drop the mercenary part and you pretty much have what Stargate was...

145 Four More Tears  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:52:18pm

re: #143 William Barnett-Lewis

I think that the reason I loved the reboot is that it felt like "Corbomite Maneuver" in a way - when Kirk is arguing with Spock and gets tossed off of the ship? That's a delight.

I love that JJ Abrams knew when to have his movie make fun of itself. A lot like Avengers in that regard.

147 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:55:49pm

re: #144 It's a cookbook!

Drop the mercenary part and you pretty much have what Stargate was...

Nah, these guys didn't bother with even attempting diplomatic relations.

148 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 9:59:50pm

re: #143 William Barnett-Lewis

As a Doctor Who Fan, I should mention there is a rather large difference between Classic and New Who.

New Who is more relaxed. Example is below. It is also more manic. Which I like.

The guy speaking is The Master.

149 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:02:29pm

re: #148 ProGunLiberal

As a Doctor Who Fan, I should mention there is a rather large difference between Classic and New Who.

New Who is more relaxed. Example is below. It is also more manic. Which I like.

[Embedded content] The guy speaking is The Master.

The last Master was awesome.

150 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:05:33pm

re: #149 Kragar

Oh, I have to agree. Now THAT is a supervillain. All about presentation. Which he excels at. From the same episode as the last clip.

151 Four More Tears  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:06:50pm

re: #148 ProGunLiberal

He has a helicarrier?

152 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:10:13pm

re: #115 ggt

THIS really pisses me off!

Margaret Sanger is kinda hard to defend because she was a believer in Eugenics and actually wrote down in letters to others many of the thoughts and ideals that the current "anti-planned parenthood" crowd accuse her of having. The fact that eugenics was popular then and that very many other people accepted it is still not an adequate defense.

Rather one needs to point to actual actions and I have seen lengthy and detailed responses on this site as regards Sanger and Eugenics. (statistics, clinic locations, her later statements, etc.)

Still none of that means a damn thing in the age of the 15 second (at most) sound bite. What can you say? Better what can you say that will be accurate?

"Well yes Sanger was a racist but so was everyone else then?"

"Sanger believed in the theory of eugenics because most all "smart" people did then?"

Your digging yourself a hole trying to defend Sanger, this isn't about Sanger, it is about Planned Parenthood. Defend the positive, relate the positive story of the current services provided of which abortion is only a fractional part. Who cares whether Sanger was a saint or a demon, and why get drawn into arguing about it when it only hurts your cause to do so?

The only point that needs to be made is that Planned Parenthood does a lot of good for many hundreds of thousands of people across this country. Irregardless of any views Sanger may or may not have had Planned Parenthood has, like all adult offspring, grown up and chosen it's own path. Margaret Sanger's opinions on anything ceased to matter to anyone except historians quite a while ago.

153 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:10:36pm

re: #150 ProGunLiberal

Oh, I have to agree. Now THAT is a supervillain. All about presentation. Which he excels at. From the same episode as the last clip.

[Embedded content]

Actually, that was from the episode after the first clip.

154 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:10:55pm

re: #151 It's a cookbook!

He has a helicarrier?

Nope, the UN has a helicarrier.

155 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:13:02pm

re: #151 It's a cookbook!

Flying Aircraft Carrier.

Made for UNIT, but destroyed by the Daleks the season after. Only appeared in 4 Episodes

156 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:14:08pm

re: #153 Kragar

Aw, I've seen all of Seasons 1 and 2. And large hunks of the rest.

Guess which 2 I have missed.

157 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:14:33pm

I still think Rory has been my favorite character to date.

158 dragonath  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:14:58pm

re: #143 William Barnett-Lewis

The reason I like a lot of the early episodes is that there's a feeling of space being a really lonely place. It kind of lost that later on, and TNG never really found it.

Maybe it was a little bit of the Outer Limits influence.

Cheesy but weird aliens are cool too.

159 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:15:19pm
160 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:19:08pm

re: #157 Kragar

He's pretty awesome. Amy is up there for being able to outwit the Doctor.

161 Kragar  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:23:04pm

re: #160 ProGunLiberal

He's pretty awesome. Amy is up there for being able to outwit the Doctor.

[Embedded content]

Amy kind of annoys me.

Speaking of the Doctor...

Recently, Doctor Who won a victory over Star Trek by becoming the longest-running science fiction series ever. Twice as many actors have played the Doctor over its entire run as have played James Bond. All the way back in the '70s, the role belonged to Tom Baker (the fourth Doctor), and his biggest fan in the universe was a geeky kid named David McDonald.

And McDonald was a megafan to an extent that few men could begin to realize. As a child in school, it was all he ever wrote about, to the point where his teacher had to tell him to stop before she had to fail him. His most treasured possession was the stripy Doctor Who scarf his grandmother knitted him.

But he was a talented kid, even if he channeled all that talent into incessantly ranting about Doctor Who (a teacher still has one of his essays about the Doctor, titled "Intergalactic Overload," in which McDonald talked about becoming obsessed with the thought of being the Time Lord himself). And where most kids eventually drop their fantasy of growing up to be, say, a Jedi, David McDonald stuck to his guns and joined acting school. Only, because they already had a guy named David McDonald, he changed his name to something that a lot of nerds will find instantly familiar: David Tennant.

Tennant worked hard, forging himself a successful career in Shakespearean stage productions, until one day, while recording a radio play, he learned of a project that was being recorded next door: a Doctor Who animation being produced in an attempt to revive the series after a 14-year hiatus. This was Tennant's big break. He crashed the production and managed somehow to convince the director to give him a small role. Now that his foot was in the door, he was able to audition for the role he was born to play once the series geared up again. And guess what? He lost to Christopher Eccleston.

Oh, but they gave Tennant the role a year later, when Eccleston quit. And Tennant went on to be voted the best version of the Doctor ever by fans, which makes sense, because he knew the character better than anyone in the history of the universe. As if that wasn't a big enough screw you to the realists who mocked his obsession, he also married the daughter of Peter Davison, the fifth Doctor. Because apparently his good fortune just wasn't implausible enough already.

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:26:02pm

good night all.

163 ProGunLiberal  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:27:24pm

re: #161 Kragar

Ah Tennant, biggest Fanboy in the history of being a fanboy.

Watched Dr. Who as a kid, became obsessed. Went into acting to become the doctor. Became the 10th Doctor, using the 5th as a guide. Had a charity episode where he met with 5th. In a later episode, he played along side Davison's daughter, a partial clone of the Doctor.

Then Tennant married Davison's daughter, and had a daughter.

The Doctor's Daughter had the Doctor's Daughter with the Doctor. :P

164 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:41:52pm

I'm sorry for the way I acted earlier tonight. I should not have said the things I did.

165 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 22, 2012 10:57:31pm

Did I miss a flame war here or something?

166 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 22, 2012 11:43:58pm

re: #165 Expand Your Ground

Did I miss a flame war here or something?

Just something I said to Buck that I wish I hadn't said. I was out of line.

167 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 22, 2012 11:48:44pm

You told him to go Buck himself?

168 freetoken  Wed, May 23, 2012 12:06:15am
169 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 12:31:53am

back on the drip...

170 Targetpractice  Wed, May 23, 2012 12:44:03am

Something to scare Republicans white(r):

Strong Support for Gay Marriage Now Exceeds Strong Opposition

Strong public support for same-sex marriage exceeds strong opposition by a significant margin for the first time in ABC News/Washington Post polls, and African-Americans have moved more in favor, perhaps taking their lead from Barack Obama on the issue.

Overall, 53 percent of Americans say gay marriage should be legal, steady the past year but up from 36 percent in just 2006. Thirty-nine percent "strongly" support it, while 32 percent are strongly opposed - the first time strong sentiment has tilted positive. Six years ago, by contrast, strong views on the issue were negative by a broad 27-point margin.
See PDF with full results here.

Further, this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, finds that support for gay marriage has reached a new high among African-Americans in ABC/Post polls, up from four in 10 in recent surveys to 59 percent now.

Another result shows increasing exposure: Seventy-one percent of Americans now say they have a friend, family member or acquaintance who's gay, up from 59 percent in 1998. People who know someone who's gay are 20 points more likely than others to support gay marriage.

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 23, 2012 12:46:06am

HI GUYS


UTAH SUCKS

172 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 12:46:47am

re: #170 Targetpractice

And but for a handful of ideologues, gay marriage is not a key single issue that is going to determine their vote.

173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 23, 2012 12:47:05am
The six suspects are Jennifer Moses, 30; Lee Carl Moses, 26; David Masters, 55; Paula Masters, 43; Brandon Haggard, 20; and Tracy Jordan, 45.

Lee Carl Moses! Fuck me, stay away from that name

174 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 12:50:52am

re: #173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Lee Carl Moses! Fuck me, stay away from that name

named him after a man of the cloth:

175 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 12:56:35am
176 Targetpractice  Wed, May 23, 2012 12:57:01am

re: #172 Expand Your Ground

And but for a handful of ideologues, gay marriage is not a key single issue that is going to determine their vote.

I'd say it's why Romney's doing his damnedest to avoid anything that isn't economy related, because he knows the socon bullshit is a loser and he can't afford to let the ball get rolling. Obama's got him right where he wants him: Unable to move for fear that he'll shoot his own foot off.

177 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 12:59:32am

re: #176 Targetpractice

I'd say it's why Romney's doing his damnedest to avoid anything that isn't economy related, because he knows the socon bullshit is a loser and he can't afford to let the ball get rolling. Obama's got him right where he wants him: Unable to move for fear that he'll shoot his own foot off.

And there 's the rub: we must not forget that Obama and Romney are both beholden to the same financial interests. Their economic policies will differ only in a few matters of degree.

But when it comes to social issues, the GOP is hell bent on setting the clocks back at least 50 years on minority, women's and gay rights in this country.

178 Targetpractice  Wed, May 23, 2012 1:02:22am

re: #177 Expand Your Ground

And there 's the rub: we must not forget that obama and Romney are both beholden to the same financial interests. Their economic policies will differ only in a few matters of degree.

But when it comes to social issues, the GOP is hell bent on setting the clocks back at least 50 years on minority, women's and gay rights in this country.

True enough, but Obama's got the last 3 years to run on. Romney's got Bain alone, and that's dissolving under his feet with each passing revelation. He'd have his governorship, except he's spent over the 4 years running away from that.

Which I think is why we've seen "Brochure-gate," "Wright-gate," and "Photoshop-gate" in the past few days, because the wingnuts are running scared. They gotta find something, anything, to turn voters against Obama.

180 researchok  Wed, May 23, 2012 1:15:30am

Morning, all

181 Obdicut  Wed, May 23, 2012 1:16:34am

re: #179 Varek Raith

Ball's in his court. I wonder if he'll go full birther and say "No, they haven't."

182 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 1:28:49am

Lol. Minnesota delegates.
12 to Ron Paul.
1 to Bachmann.

183 Obdicut  Wed, May 23, 2012 1:33:45am

re: #182 Varek Raith

They crazy rules-lawyers are actually doing it. They actually think that exploiting the process is going to get them something.

184 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 1:35:10am

re: #183 Obdicut

I know. All it's doing is giving the RNC heartburn and bad mojo.

185 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 1:36:45am

Google's frontpage is awesome.

And it will do awesome things if you type in Zerg Rush! :)

186 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 1:40:03am

re: #185 ProGunLiberal

Google's frontpage is awesome.

And it will do awesome things if you type in Zerg Rush! :)

I got your zerg rush right here!
Image: weplaygoodgames-2163465.jpg

187 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 1:56:47am

re: #181 Obdicut

Ball's in his court. I wonder if he'll go full birther and say "No, they haven't."

He has to at this point. Birtherism is an Article of Faith to these people.

188 Targetpractice  Wed, May 23, 2012 1:57:05am

re: #181 Obdicut

Ball's in his court. I wonder if he'll go full birther and say "No, they haven't."

He's supposed to be making a statement about it later today.

Early prediction: He'll mutter something about he's personally not convinced, but that it meets the state's criteria, so Obama will be on the ballot.

189 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 2:00:21am

re: #188 Targetpractice

He's supposed to be making a statement about it later today.

Early prediction: He'll mutter something about he's personally not convinced, but that it meets the state's criteria, so Obama will be on the ballot.

And that he will continue the investigation, should new evidence arise, then Obama's name could still be stricken at the last moment...

190 Targetpractice  Wed, May 23, 2012 2:03:29am

re: #189 Expand Your Ground

And that he will continue the investigation, should new evidence arise, then Obama's name could still be stricken at the last moment...

That he's had to give a public apology leads me to believe he's getting heat from upstairs to let this go. He'll "leave the door open," but say that it's settled "for the moment."

191 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 2:06:39am

re: #190 Targetpractice

That he's had to give a public apology leads me to believe he's getting heat from upstairs to let this go. He'll "leave the door open," but say that it's settled "for the moment."

The RNC has realized the damage that this sort of massive stupidity could lead to. But its own ability to limit damages has been severely compromised.

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 2:30:01am

I see there's been a pie fight...

193 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 3:07:36am

re: #192 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

I see there's been a pie fight...

I just got that. I'm a little slow this morning, need coffee.

194 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 3:14:06am

Hoosiers:

5 Indiana men charged in anti-racist mob attack at Chicago-area restaurant
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Gun deaths surpass vehicle deaths in Indiana, study says
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Student brings hand grenade to grade school
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

195 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 3:33:25am

So the safest place to be in Indiana is on the road in an armored car...

196 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 3:36:35am

I had forgotten about this nut:

Man who beheaded and ate fellow passenger on Greyhound bus believed he was attacking alien, mental health advocate says

Vince Li 'was on the lookout for aliens as such, and the voice of God told him that Tim McLean was an alien and he needed to destroy him lest Tim destroy other people'
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

197 freetoken  Wed, May 23, 2012 3:37:04am

Third to last single released, second to last #1 chart topper released (in UK, not US):

198 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 3:57:56am

re: #196 RogueOne

I had forgotten about this nut:

Man who beheaded and ate fellow passenger on Greyhound bus believed he was attacking alien, mental health advocate says

Vince Li 'was on the lookout for aliens as such, and the voice of God told him that Tim McLean was an alien and he needed to destroy him lest Tim destroy other people'
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Religious freedoms!

/

199 Obdicut  Wed, May 23, 2012 3:58:18am

Went up to Albany yesterday to lobby for the Freelancer Payment Protection Act. A few of the senators pawned us off with quite junior interns. Since they didn't respond to the sweet voice of reason, now we move on to step 2: getting all the members in their district to call their office and ask for them to co-sponser the bill.

It's continually depressing and useful how small a number of people it takes to get political change. If we get a hundred people to call each senator, we can probably influence their vote.

200 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:04:08am

re: #199 Obdicut

If we get a hundred people one billionaire to calldonate tons of money to each senator, we can probably influence their vote.

FTFY

201 Obdicut  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:07:45am

re: #200 Expand Your Ground

Sure. But if you get enough people, the money matters less. In local races, money matters less, too. Luckily for us, there's nobody who's actually against this bill, it's just inertia on the part of the Republicans keeping it from coming to the table. They're not concerned with passing good laws, but with keeping their majority, and they'll only bring this bill up to a vote if they think it'll help them keep their majority.

202 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:23:21am

re: #40 ProGunLiberal

The only uncomfortable thing here for me is one word.

Rape.

Calling this rape seems to trivialize rape.

But corporations are people too!
//

203 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:28:39am

re: #102 Daniel Ballard

As if we are not sufficiently unique to measure already?
Fingerprint, DNA, retina pattern, face recognition...

What did they think was missing?

Hey, why do all these barcodes start with '666'?!?

:p

//

204 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:29:56am

re: #203 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Hey, why do all these barcodes start with '666'?!?

:p

//

Just turn the upside down - The Mark of Cain!!

205 Flounder  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:30:59am

I'm getting too old and bitter. Yesterday on the long drive home, I noticed a Charles Manson look a-like get out of his rusted pedo-van and help a turtle cross the road. My first thought was, "My God, he is going to kidnap and rape that turtle!" I kept driving.

206 Obdicut  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:33:34am

re: #205 Tommy's cone of shame

You can do it to a turtle if you entice it with myrtle
A tortoise can be had if you tickle the gonad
The alligator takes things that would simply appall
But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all!

207 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:35:54am

re: #206 Obdicut

You can do it to a turtle if you entice it with myrtle
A tortoise can be had if you tickle the gonad
The alligator takes things that would simply appall
But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all!

I don't want to know if that's original.

Just a quick drive-by post before I go to work. Have a good day Obi, and all others. BBT

208 Obdicut  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:36:49am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Spur of the moment, inspired by the oft-alluded-to but never fully spelled-out song sung by Nanny Ogg in Pratchett's Discworld series.

209 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:42:06am

re: #208 Obdicut

always assumed it was an old rugby song...

210 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:43:32am

Have a good day folks. Off to Cooperstown!

211 Flounder  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:47:14am

A man was arrested outside of a Dubuque bar on Sunday night with a pet zebra and a macaw parrot in the front seat of his truck.
Hitchhikers?!


[Link: www.kcrg.com...]

212 Flounder  Wed, May 23, 2012 4:50:01am

Bad door to door selling technique, asking how many children live in the house, and lying about who you are: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

213 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 5:02:22am

Morning Lizardim from the cool and cloudy wild north country. We're supposed to see another round of thunderstorm action today. Hope the hatches are properly battened down back at home.

214 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 5:04:46am

Daughter of Ford Motor Company Chief Executive to marry son of Detroit TV Anchorwoman.

Sweet.
Henry will have Black great-great-great (not sure how many great) grandkids.

215 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 23, 2012 5:20:24am

re: #214 Learned Mother of Zion

Daughter of Ford Motor Company Chief Executive to marry son of Detroit TV Anchorwoman.

Sweet.
Henry will have Black great-great-great (not sure how many great) grandkids.

They should convert to Judaism...

216 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 5:26:54am

Time for me to get motivated. Enjoy your day people.

15 Extremely Awkward Animal Moments
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Image: enhanced-buzz-3131-1337722331-3.jpg

217 Targetpractice  Wed, May 23, 2012 5:29:52am

Did this get any play 'round here yesterday?

Video shows SC union leader striking Haley piñata

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) - A YouTube video of the retiring president of the South Carolina AFL-CIO hitting a piñata with Gov. Nikki Haley's face on it has the national union distancing itself from what it calls an "inappropriate joke."

The video shows Donna Dewitt striking the piñata Saturday of Haley's face featuring the Republican governor's quote that unions are not wanted in South Carolina.

The video circulated widely Tuesday in social media. Haley even encouraged her Facebook followers to check it out.

AFL-CIO media director Alison Omens sent a statement saying there is no place for that kind of joke.

Dewitt says there was no ill intent to the game, which followed the South Carolina Progressive Network's spring conference.

Dewitt is retiring June 30 after 16 years as the union's state leader.

218 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 5:31:27am

re: #216 RogueOne

Time for me to get motivated. Enjoy your day people.

15 Extremely Awkward Animal Moments
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Image: enhanced-buzz-3131-1337722331-3.jpg

Motivated, schmotivated. Although your picture is rather apropos for Hump Day.

219 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 23, 2012 5:33:41am

re: #152 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Margaret Sanger is kinda hard to defend because she was a believer in Eugenics and actually wrote down in letters to others many of the thoughts and ideals that the current "anti-planned parenthood" crowd accuse her of having. The fact that eugenics was popular then and that very many other people accepted it is still not an adequate defense.

Rather one needs to point to actual actions and I have seen lengthy and detailed responses on this site as regards Sanger and Eugenics. (statistics, clinic locations, her later statements, etc.)

Still none of that means a damn thing in the age of the 15 second (at most) sound bite. What can you say? Better what can you say that will be accurate?

"Well yes Sanger was a racist but so was everyone else then?"

"Sanger believed in the theory of eugenics because most all "smart" people did then?"

Your digging yourself a hole trying to defend Sanger, this isn't about Sanger, it is about Planned Parenthood. Defend the positive, relate the positive story of the current services provided of which abortion is only a fractional part. Who cares whether Sanger was a saint or a demon, and why get drawn into arguing about it when it only hurts your cause to do so?

The only point that needs to be made is that Planned Parenthood does a lot of good for many hundreds of thousands of people across this country. Irregardless of any views Sanger may or may not have had Planned Parenthood has, like all adult offspring, grown up and chosen it's own path. Margaret Sanger's opinions on anything ceased to matter to anyone except historians quite a while ago.

This PDF from Planned Parenthood does a good job of saying what Margaret Sanger did and did NOT write regarding African -American's and Planned Parenthood.

I will continue to defend Margaret Sanger because she earned by support and my defense.

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 23, 2012 5:41:49am

Morning all!

221 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 23, 2012 5:58:25am
222 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 5:59:46am

re: #221 ggt

'Killer bride' seized at banquet in Udmurtia, Russia

geez!

Your link goes back to this page.

223 Interesting Times  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:01:02am

Oh look, another misogynistic rightwing douchenozzle:

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:04:22am

re: #222 thedopefishlives

Your link goes back to this page.

try this

sorry

225 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:06:17am

off for a while

Have a great morning all!

226 Lidane  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:12:15am

33 Years In Prison For Pakistani Doctor Who Aided Hunt For Bin Laden

Shakil Afridi, a Pakistani doctor who helped in the hunt for Osama bin Laden by trying to collect DNA from the al-Qaida leader and his family members, has been convicted of treason and sentenced to 33 years in prison, according to reports from Pakistan.

Pakistan's Dawn newspaper quotes Mohammad Siddiq, a spokesman for the tribal justice system in the Khyber district, as saying Afridi "has been sentenced for 33 years on treason charges and has been moved to Peshawar central jail after the verdict was announced by the local court."

227 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:14:25am

re: #226 Lidane

Cue the chickenhawks screaming for Pakistan's head (after we finish in Iran, of course) in 3...2...1...

228 Lidane  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:15:55am

re: #227 thedopefishlives

Cue the chickenhawks screaming for Pakistan's head (after we finish in Iran, of course) in 3...2...1...

That'll have to wait until they finish screaming about how Obama threw this doctor under the bus, didn't protect him, etc. You know, because the RWNJs have been so supportive of the raid on OBL up to this point.

229 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:17:21am

re: #228 Lidane

That'll have to wait until they finish screaming about how Obama threw this doctor under the bus, didn't protect him, etc. You know, because the RWNJs have been so supportive of the raid on OBL up to this point.

Hmm, yeah, good point. Blame Obama first, and then when that peters out, claim that he should bomb Pakistan because they are getting uppity. It's not like the realities of diplomacy in the Middle East and South Asia aren't complex enough already.

230 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:20:49am

re: #226 Lidane

33 Years In Prison For Pakistani Doctor Who Aided Hunt For Bin Laden

Treason for helping catch Osama. Oh yeah, that sounds like an ally...
///

Sometimes I think we should have wrecked their nukes and rolled on into Pakistan hot, instead of embracing double dealing pretend friends.

231 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:26:21am

re: #226 Lidane

33 Years In Prison For Pakistani Doctor Who Aided Hunt For Bin Laden

I am shocked that they would do such a thing!

//

232 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:26:39am

re: #230 Daniel Ballard

Treason for helping catch Osama. Oh yeah, that sounds like an ally...
///

Sometimes I think we should have wrecked their nukes and rolled on into Pakistan hot, instead of embracing double dealing pretend friends.

Yeah, I would have liked us to deal with India and treat Afghanistan and Pakistan as a single entity. It probably wasn't practical but they are both inherently linked parts of the same problem on so many levels.

233 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:29:13am

Morning Tweets:

234 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:29:38am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

There was not even much of a diplomatic protest after we killed him in that villa. Which at least some people knew about.

235 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:29:59am

The rest is a bunch of people still whining about Cory Booker.

//

236 Flounder  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:30:31am

Bristol Palin will star in “Bristol Palin: Life’s a Tripp,” next month.
Please control yourself.

Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]

237 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:31:57am

The Facebook clown show expands:

238 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:32:39am

DKos: NATO 3 Being Tortured with "Sensory Deprivation," Posted Police Harassment Video, Now Charged

INNOCENT UNTIL FOUND GUILTY! STOP THE TORTURE OF THE NATO 3!

lol

239 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:34:02am

The $1.45 Trillion Fighter Jet—and the Florida Deficit Hawks Who Love It
One of the Pentagon's most-criticized expenditures is warmly welcomed in tea partier Rick Scott's Sunshine State.

The F-35 fighter jet's first missile floated wide. The second found its target, and an explosion brought the bogey down. "Yes! Got him! Woo!" exclaimed the pilot, Jennifer Carroll, a 52-year-old former Navy officer and airplane mechanic. But it's Carroll's current job—lieutenant governor of Florida—that explains why her simulator flight was being closely watched by about two dozen members of the Florida League of Defense Contractors at an industry gathering in Tallahassee on a drizzly morning in mid-February. Next, with a technician from Lockheed Martin furiously pointing at indicators and whispering commands over her shoulder, Carroll nosed the simulator down to take on a ground target. "Three, two, one…blam!" she exclaimed, to laughter. "Osama, you're gone!" Virtual mission accomplished...

240 Lidane  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:35:34am

re: #237 Gus

Well, that was inevitable. I can't wait too see what happens next.

241 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:37:16am

re: #239 Gus

The F-35 was a big fat mistake, kinda like the F-22. I love me some military planes, but there's almost certainly a better and cheaper way to upgrade our fleet than these crazy expensive warbirds. One reason why I love the Super Hornet; it's the perfect example of a budget upgrade that performs its role spectacularly.

242 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:38:25am

re: #240 Lidane

Well, that was inevitable. I can't wait too see what happens next.

I think they're in denial that the stock isn't doing as well as they thought. This is simply FB adjusting to market realities. There is nothing technologically unique about Facebook and easily imitated or replaced by "the next big thing." Google however had a diverse market in not only its search engine but other products.

243 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:39:55am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Okay so they can see, hear, and touch inside their cells just fine. But a white room and incommunicado is torture. ooookaaay. The rabid exaggerations are just laughable.

244 Lidane  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:41:09am

re: #242 Gus

I think they're in denial that the stock isn't doing as well as they thought. This is simply FB adjusting to market realities. There is nothing technologically unique about Facebook and easily imitated or replaced by "the next big thing." Google however had a diverse market in not only its search engine but other products.

True. Facebook was over-valued from the start. People wanted to see Apple or Google numbers, but that's not going to happen.

If they'd valued the stock at $28 instead of $38, Zuckerberg would look like a genius now because the stock would be climbing instead of falling. Instead they oversold themselves and now the lawsuits are coming.

245 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:42:43am

Mt Wilson sunrise...

246 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:43:41am

re: #241 thedopefishlives

The F-35 was a big fat mistake, kinda like the F-22. I love me some military planes, but there's almost certainly a better and cheaper way to upgrade our fleet than these crazy expensive warbirds. One reason why I love the Super Hornet; it's the perfect example of a budget upgrade that performs its role spectacularly.

Yep. Both are over-designed and way over budget and that budget continue to balloon. I don't think there's any turning back though so I won't expect the F-35 program to be cancelled save any shocking new design flaw that would spin out of control. While over budget cancelling it now would cost more than a replacement.

247 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:43:59am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

DKos: NATO 3 Being Tortured with "Sensory Deprivation," Posted Police Harassment Video, Now Charged

lol

“They have nothing to read. They have no writing material. It’s a kind of sensory deprivation situation.”

NO INTERTUBEZ!1!TY

248 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:45:59am

re: #244 Lidane

True. Facebook was over-valued from the start. People wanted to see Apple or Google numbers, but that's not going to happen.

If they'd valued the stock at $28 instead of $38, Zuckerberg would look like a genius now because the stock would be climbing instead of falling. Instead they oversold themselves and now the lawsuits are coming.

What are they going to sue for? I think that's pretty hilarious. Those are the breaks and this is how the stock market works. They simply have to wait. Facebook will probably rise above $38 in the future. That's the way it's always worked. You bought stock to wait sometimes 20 or 40 years for it to make significant growth.

249 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:48:29am

I bought Facebook stock at 38 dollars a share and expected it to rise to 400 dollars a share overnight!!! I demand to know what went wrong!!!! I demand a refund!!! I demand an investigation!!!! Somebody call a whambulance!!!!

250 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:49:45am

Back to a previous comment, and thanks for the support--
I did get some good news about my father in law yesterday. Not bone cancer, probably something more treatable. Bone scans came out clean, now they have to find the location, and get his chemo underway. This looks far more survivable than it did.

251 Obdicut  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:52:04am

re: #250 Daniel Ballard

Back to a previous comment, and thanks for the support--
I did get some good news about my father in law yesterday. Not bone cancer, probably something more treatable. Bone scans came out clean, now they have to find the location, and get his chemo underway. This looks far more survivable than it did.

Oh that's good news. I was trying to be tactful before, but with bone cancer there's very little hope, ever, and it's a bad way to go. What do they think it is now?

252 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:52:18am

re: #250 Daniel Ballard

Back to a previous comment, and thanks for the support--
I did get some good news about my father in law yesterday. Not bone cancer, probably something more treatable. Bone scans came out clean, now they have to find the location, and get his chemo underway. This looks far more survivable than it did.

Good News!

253 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:53:14am

Bzzt.

254 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:55:40am

re: #251 Obdicut

Oh that's good news. I was trying to be tactful before, but with bone cancer there's very little hope, ever, and it's a bad way to go. What do they think it is now?

Not certain yet, but colon/prostate is next on the list to confirm or not. Thanks for the courtesy and tact. We hope for the best and deal as we can with what we really have.

255 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 6:58:22am

re: #246 Gus

Yep. Bother are over-designed and way over budget and that budget continue to balloon. I don't think there's any turning back though so I won't expect the F-35 program to be cancelled save any shocking new design flaw that would spin out of control. While over budget cancelling it now would cost more than a replacement.

I would've preferred a Super Eagle-style upgrade. The F-15 rules the skies right now, with a perfect combat record. Why the hell mess with something that works?

256 Obdicut  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:00:28am

re: #254 Daniel Ballard

I hope they find it soon and can deal with it effectively. Chemo-- if done-- will still be a trial but it'd be much more worthwhile. I know you'll do everything right by your wife; make sure to treat yourself well, too.

257 Lidane  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:01:34am

re: #248 Gus

What are they going to sue for? I think that's pretty hilarious. Those are the breaks and this is how the stock market works. They simply have to wait.

What do you mean I have to wait? Facebook stock should have hit Apple numbers within ten minutes!

///

258 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:02:33am

re: #255 thedopefishlives

I would've preferred a Super Eagle-style upgrade. The F-15 rules the skies right now, with a perfect combat record. Why the hell mess with something that works?

Or the F-16 and F-18. The key I think is to evolve from a previous design. To build upon a proven platform and not to reinvent the wheel as much as they did with the F-35.

259 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:05:18am

re: #257 Lidane

///

It's like a "This Old House" mentality. Or I should say these guys are worse than real estate flippers. They're going to have to wait.

260 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:08:43am

First world problems.

261 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:09:13am

re: #258 Gus

Or the F-16 and F-18. The key I think is to evolve from a previous design. To build upon a proven platform and not to reinvent the wheel as much as they did with the F-35.

In their defense, the F-16 and the F/A-18 were rather radical departures from the trend of building bigger, heavier fighters, the culmination of which were the F-14 and F-15. But they weren't nearly as radical as the F-35, or even the F-22.

262 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:10:33am

re: #250 Daniel Ballard

Sorry to hear what your FIL is going through and I'm hoping for the best. Just be there for supporting your wife and be sure to take care of yourself too.

Also, don't hesitate to take advantage of other resources - like support networks for cancer survivors and their families (or even folks here at LGF). No need to try and go this alone.

263 Targetpractice  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:11:34am

re: #255 thedopefishlives

I would've preferred a Super Eagle-style upgrade. The F-15 rules the skies right now, with a perfect combat record. Why the hell mess with something that works?

That would have been an option in '91, when we could simply written off the YF-22 & 23 as technology demonstrators, shit-canned the program in its entirety, and funneled the funding into a new generation of F-15 fighters. But now that we've built the damned things, we've got no choice, the die has been cast. Now everybody and their uncle needs their "answer" to the F-22 and won't rest until they're in service.

264 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:12:12am

re: #263 Targetpractice

It's not too hard to answer a fighter that crashes whenever it crosses the International Date Line.

265 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:17:16am

re: #264 thedopefishlives

Or kills its pilots.

I've heard the strategy many nations will take is that they will make the F-22 Equivalents the Fighters for the Elite portions of the Air Force. Because the F-22 Equivalents will be fairly expensive to get and maintain.

266 Targetpractice  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:17:28am

re: #264 thedopefishlives

It's not too hard to answer a fighter that crashes whenever it crosses the International Date Line.

Got the Russians, Chinese, and Indians building fifth-gen fighters. And all of our allies who aren't buying F-35s are begging us to let them buy F-22s.

267 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:18:20am

re: #261 thedopefishlives

In their defense, the F-16 and the F/A-18 were rather radical departures from the trend of building bigger, heavier fighters, the culmination of which were the F-14 and F-15. But they weren't nearly as radical as the F-35, or even the F-22.

The days of having designers around like Kelly Johnson are gone. Today's Lockheed is nothing like it was back then. There was also a great deal of competition with Northrop, General Dynamics, Grumman, Douglas/McDonnell-Douglas, Vought/Chance-Vought. It was hand drawn and they used wooden jigs. Aircraft weren't inherently unstable and the relied on pilot ability for stability and not software. The latter of which is sometimes one of the biggest stumbling blocks. It's now down to two aircraft manufacturers. The future of manned combat aircraft is also drawing to a close.

268 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:18:29am

re: #248 Gus

Part of this stems from the fact that FB was valued right off the bat at Apple and Google valuations, even though the company isn't anywhere near that kind of profit/revenue level. It was purely speculative and a money grab by Morgan Stanley even as Stanley's research side was warning that the revenues were going to fall short primarily because FB doesn't have the reach/revenues from mobile platforms. Where the suits come in is that the research may have trickled down to some investors/banks but not others - and who knew and when may be a matter of which investors/banks were preferred or not (and which would form the basis of the suit - withholding key information).

It was also unusual that FB was being downgraded even as it was being touted and the stock price was raised to the top of the listing range. There were late SEC filings pre-listing.

Then, there's the suits against NASDAQ for botching the listing and failing to clear transactions in a timely fashion. I think those suits have more merit than those against MS or FB. It's incumbent upon NASDAQ to clear trades in a timely manner so everyone knows what the positions are at each step of the way, but NASDAQ couldn't generate confirmations for several hours - leaving quite a few people up in the air.

Still, if you want in on FB, it's well below the listing price, so you don't have to kick yourself for not getting in on the action. And someone* was making money on every step of the way.

*Brokerages to be sure, but also the day traders and others profiting off the churn (chum).

269 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:18:51am

re: #266 Targetpractice

Which kills their pilot and glitches over the Date Line

270 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:19:53am

re: #268 lawhawk

I was just watching the FB ticker and it was edging up. They need to calm down. The rest of the market is showing major suckage.

271 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:23:21am
272 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:24:19am

re: #270 Gus

I'm going to guess Europe is the problem?

273 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:25:03am

re: #272 ProGunLiberal

I'm going to guess Europe is the problem?

Yep. Would you believe it's about Greece? ;)

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

274 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:27:52am

re: #273 Gus

I'm thinking (and hoping) that after the Greek Election, that Hollande will be confronting Merkel over the failed Austerity.

275 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:30:02am

re: #271 Gus

Derp.

Epic Parenting Fail at a Laundromat

[Embedded content]

YouTube is blocked here in cubicle land, but it's not hard to guess: gave the kid a ride in the dryer?

276 Targetpractice  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:31:14am

re: #269 ProGunLiberal

Which kills their pilot and glitches over the Date Line

Things that those countries assume will be worked out either on the production line or once in service. Wouldn't be the first fighter that came from the factory with flaws.

277 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:32:25am

That was random.

278 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:32:39am

re: #267 Gus

The days of having designers around like Kelly Johnson are gone. Today's Lockheed is nothing like it was back then. There was also a great deal of competition with Northrop, General Dynamics, Grumman, Douglas/McDonnell-Douglas, Vought/Chance-Vought. It was hand drawn and they used wooden jigs. Aircraft weren't inherently unstable and the relied on pilot ability for stability and not software. The latter of which is sometimes one of the biggest stumbling blocks. It's now down to two aircraft manufacturers. The future of manned combat aircraft is also drawing to a close.

Well, directly manned, anyway. Drones are still (currently) manned combat aircraft. Just manned by someone not necessarily even anywhere nearby.

279 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:32:45am

re: #274 ProGunLiberal

I'm thinking (and hoping) that after the Greek Election, that Hollande will be confronting Merkel over the failed Austerity.

That might be true but typically I'm asking myself "what austerity?" Greece didn't get to this point through austerity but the other way around combined with other wide and mitigating factors. Not the least of which a retirement age of 50-53 and a large segment of the population that didn't even pay into that retirement program through taxes. That's just for starters. Also, if they're going to ask for Germany's help then they have to accept Merkel's conditions or go somewhere else.

280 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:34:32am

re: #275 Learned Mother of Zion

YouTube is blocked here in cubicle land, but it's not hard to guess: gave the kid a ride in the dryer?

Yep. Put the kid in the large washing machine and closed the door. It's one of those bigger machines in which the door locks. So, they're running around like the Keystone Cops until the manager shut the machine down and then unlocks the door. Story here.

281 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:35:51am

re: #279 Gus

Oh certainly reforms like the raising of the retirement age and Tax Reform are good. Not sure what this stuff about Taxi Drivers is about.

That alone qould probably get a large amount of money. But, Merkel and Co. being greedy they decided to suck Greece dry.

And now the Radical Left SYRIZA is leading at the polls.

282 iossarian  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:36:10am

re: #279 Gus

That might be true but typically I'm asking myself "what austerity?" Greece didn't get to this point through austerity but the other way around combined with other wide and mitigating factors. Not the least of which a retirement age of 50-53 and a large segment of the population that didn't even pay into that retirement program through taxes. That's just for starters. Also, if they're going to ask for Germany's help then they have to accept Merkel's conditions or go somewhere else.

That's only half the story, though. The other half is that foreign banks were very happy to loan the Greeks vast amounts of money to subsidize the fiscal situation you're describing. And of course, they never foresaw the possibility that, in the event of a global downturn, the Greeks might be unable to pay them back.

283 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:36:31am

re: #281 ProGunLiberal

Oh certainly reforms like the raising of the retirement age and Tax Reform are good. Not sure what this stuff about Taxi Drivers is about.

That alone qould probably get a large amount of money. But, Merkel and Co. being greedy they decided to suck Greece dry.

And now the Radical Left SYRIZA is leading at the polls.

Greece's problem wasn't caused by Germany.

284 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:37:37am

re: #282 iossarian

That's only half the story, though. The other half is that foreign banks were very happy to loan the Greeks vast amounts of money to subsidize the fiscal situation you're describing. And of course, they never foresaw the possibility that, in the event of a global downturn, the Greeks might be unable to pay them back.

True. Same thing happened with Argentina. Just throw money at them. I'm looking at the World Bank perhaps?

285 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:38:20am

re: #283 Gus

Maybe, but they certainly are not being the solution. They are repeating the mistaken the were done after WWI.

You think Germany would see the problem.

286 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:39:14am

re: #284 Gus

I was thinking forgiving the debt related to the Olympic Games. I heard it was a significant amount. Am I correct?

287 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:42:58am

re: #286 ProGunLiberal

I was thinking forgiving the debt related to the Olympic Games. I heard it was a significant amount. Am I correct?

Don't know. I'm looking at the starting point here:

Greek debt spirals after Olympics
Greece is facing a massive budget deficit as it tries to absorb the cost of the Olympic Games.

The Games is set to be the most expensive in the modern Olympics' 100-year history.

Social policy was done with borrowed cash... debts were created in secret.
-- Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis

288 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:43:46am

re: #287 Gus

Don't know. I'm looking at the starting point here:

Greek debt spirals after Olympics
Greece is facing a massive budget deficit as it tries to absorb the cost of the Olympic Games.

Social policy was done with borrowed cash... debts were created in secret.
-- Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis

2004...

The expected 7bn euro ($8.6bn; £4.8bn) burden means the national deficit is set to hit 5.3% in 2004, said Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis.

He said the previous government was to blame, for concealing the extent of Greece's economic troubles.

"A large part of Olympic, social and other spending was not written up in the budget," he said.

"The real deficit was not recorded... The public debt exceeds even the most pessimistic of estimations."

289 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:44:15am

There's your austerity right there.

//

290 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:46:45am

re: #286 ProGunLiberal

I was thinking forgiving the debt related to the Olympic Games. I heard it was a significant amount. Am I correct?

You still in the Springs?

291 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:47:36am

re: #286 ProGunLiberal

The Olympics debt is just a small fraction of the bigger problems facing Greece. The debt includes that which helped upgrade infrastructure in and around Athens, as well as stadiums that are now all but defunct and not in use. This article pegs the debt due to the Olympics at 2-3% but in money figures, it ranges from 6 to 27 billion euros depending on who was asked.

The socialist Pasok party, which oversaw most of the preparations, believes they cost €6 billion. The conservative New Democracy party thinks it is more like €10 billion. Then there are people like Sofia Sakorafa, a former Pasok MP and champion javelin thrower who participated in two Olympics, who calculates the cost to be nearer €27 billion.

Spyros Kapralos, head of the Hellenic Olympic Committee, settles for a figure in between. ''I wouldn't sign my name to it but I'd say €8 billion,'' he says. ''There was a lot of creative accountancy. And a lot of the works were done in such speed and haste they cost a lot more than they should have.''

The Olympic Athletic Centre (OAKA), is bad, but not as bad as the Helliniko Olympic complex on the other side of town. Here venues are not just ill-maintained but, like the economy, almost in free fall. Air conditioners and bits of panelling - apparently dislodged by high winds - lie on the ground, while the once gleaming apartments for athletes look more like a dilapidated council estate than the manicured compound they once were.

The complex's stadium, also built in 2004 - and used by Greece's national athletics federation - is cracked and crumbling, its seats broken, its stairs smashed, its track ripped.

''The conditions are tragic,'' says Kyriakos Chondrokoukis as he sits in the stands watching his son, world record-breaking high jumper Dimitris, warming up. ''A lot of money was spent but there's nothing to show for it. All we've been left with are a lot of empty shells. Go, go, and see for yourself.''

That's perhaps the reason that so many are targeting the Olympics as a cause - but it really is a symptom of larger problems with the Greek government. They spent on the Olympics, but then didn't do anything thereafter to take advantage of the infrastructure they built - and let it pretty much go to waste.

But there's also the fact that there was a divergence between public sector wages and tax revenues - widespread tax evasion played a role.

292 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:51:11am

re: #291 lawhawk

The Olympics debt is just a small fraction of the bigger problems facing Greece. The debt includes that which helped upgrade infrastructure in and around Athens, as well as stadiums that are now all but defunct and not in use. This article pegs the debt due to the Olympics at 2-3% but in money figures, it ranges from 6 to 27 billion euros depending on who was asked.

That's perhaps the reason that so many are targeting the Olympics as a cause - but it really is a symptom of larger problems with the Greek government. They spent on the Olympics, but then didn't do anything thereafter to take advantage of the infrastructure they built - and let it pretty much go to waste.

But there's also the fact that there was a divergence between public sector wages and tax revenues - widespread tax evasion played a role.

Here's an idea. Build permanent Summer and Winter game facilities in a stable free country and have the Olympic games there. Otherwise, they're more trouble than they're worth. Maybe in 100 years after all countries have their collective fiscal shit in order we can go from "town to town" holding games where only the wealthy can visit in person.

293 sattv4u2  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:52:48am

re: #291 lawhawk

See!!

Germany participated in those games. so it IS their fault!!!
//

294 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:53:11am

I have decided what is the most horrible, annoying, stupid, pointless Internet banner ad EVER:

The woman with the Drudge siren on her head "Would you quit your job and go back to school" with a bunch of animated icons for every age group.

What kind of scam is this and who is making money from it?

It's even worse than Wrinkle Scam Mom.

295 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:53:13am

Champagne taste; beer bottle wallet.

296 dragonath  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:53:21am

I just had a couple of Jehovah Witnesses come to my door and tell me they thought all the world's problems would go away if religion and government were the same thing.

Uh, it's a little early for this.

297 Obdicut  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:53:56am

re: #296 Be Zorch, Daddio

Just any religion? I'm running a special on oh-fuck-it-ism.

298 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:54:51am

re: #296 Be Zorch, Daddio

I just had a couple of Jehovah Witnesses come to my door and tell me they thought all the world's problems would go away if religion and government were the same thing.

Uh, it's a little early for this.

When the Witnesses come to my door, I ask them if they are Witnesses (they are not allowed to lie) and they say "Yes" and I say "Have a nice day" and shut the door on them.

299 sattv4u2  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:55:05am

re: #292 Gus

Here's an idea. Build permanent Summer and Winter game facilities in a stable free country and have the Olympic games there. Otherwise, they're more trouble than they're worth. Maybe in 100 years after all countries have their collective fiscal shit in order we can go from "town to town" holding games where only the wealthy can visit in person.

If done right, the Olympics in 'your" city is a plus

Atlanta is still using the facilities and infrastructure from when the games were here in 1996

[Link: www.npr.org...]

300 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:55:47am

re: #298 Learned Mother of Zion

When the Witnesses come to my door, I ask them if they are Witnesses (they are not allowed to lie) and they say "Yes" and I say "Have a nice day" and shut the door on them.

We have a couple of Witnesses in our neighborhood, sweet older ladies. Because they are unaccompanied, they are not allowed to talk to men by themselves. So whenever I answer the door, they hand me a Watchtower and then scuttle away as quickly as they can.

301 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:56:13am

re: #292 Gus

Here's an idea. Build permanent Summer and Winter game facilities in a stable free country and have the Olympic games there. Otherwise, they're more trouble than they're worth. Maybe in 100 years after all countries have their collective fiscal shit in order we can go from "town to town" holding games where only the wealthy can visit in person.

And they can always use those stadiums for "Hunger Games" death matches.

302 sattv4u2  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:56:46am

re: #300 thedopefishlives

We have a couple of Witnesses in our neighborhood, sweet older ladies. Because they are unaccompanied, they are not allowed to talk to men by themselves. So whenever I answer the door, they hand me a Watchtower and then scuttle away as quickly as they can.

They'd probably stick around a tad longer if you didn't answer the door nekkid!

303 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:56:53am

re: #292 Gus

That would make tremendous sense (but the IOC loves it some travel and perks). Heck, hold the Summer Games in Greece - as a way to help them get out of this fiscal hole and to take advantage of the infrastructure they built at great cost.They could hold the Winter Games in Salt Lake City or Zurich, Switzerland.

But because of the money involved from tv rights, it would probably have to be a European or US-centric venue option.

304 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:57:02am

re: #302 sattv4u2

They'd probably stick around a tad longer if you didn't answer the door nekkid!

Or maybe it's the other way around. ;)

305 Obdicut  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:57:25am

Alright. Time to rebuild this old computer. Let's hope I don't screw it up.

306 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:57:31am

re: #299 sattv4u2

If done right, the Olympics in 'your" city is a plus

Atlanta is still using the facilities and infrastructure from when the games were here in 1996

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Well. Obviously if they can afford it the it's cool. Although in this current economic climate it's all done on credit. There should be a means test.

307 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:58:07am

re: #301 Learned Mother of Zion

And they can always use those stadiums for "Hunger Games" death matches.

Real important shit. ;) Yeah. Almost as critical as Facebook stocks.

308 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 7:59:28am

re: #303 lawhawk

That would make tremendous sense (but the IOC loves it some travel and perks). Heck, hold the Summer Games in Greece - as a way to help them get out of this fiscal hole and to take advantage of the infrastructure they built at great cost.They could hold the Winter Games in Salt Lake City or Zurich, Switzerland.

But because of the money involved from tv rights, it would probably have to be a European or US-centric venue option.

Meh. Humans. I'm sure plenty of people are making a killing with this global boondoggle. We already have international competitions outside of the Olympics-Industrial-Complex. ;)

309 Lidane  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:03:33am

Can we please kill the Cuban embargo? It's a Cold War relic that hasn't accomplished a damned thing.

GOP ‘Appalled’ Over Obama Granting Castro’s Daughter Visa, Ignores Trips Under Bush

When the State Department granted the head of Cuba’s National Center for Sex Education, Mariela Castro Espín, a visa to chair a panel on LGBT issues at the Latin American Studies Association in San Francisco later this week, the Republican response was as obvious as the Cuban LGBT activist’s relations to the Caribbean island’s Communist dictators. Her father is Cuban President Raúl Castro, her uncle is revolutionary leader and longtime dictator Fidel Castro, and the Republicans were “appalled.”

310 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:06:07am

re: #309 Lidane

Can we please kill the Cuban embargo? It's a Cold War relic that hasn't accomplished a damned thing.

GOP ‘Appalled’ Over Obama Granting Castro’s Daughter Visa, Ignores Trips Under Bush

But the Bay of Pigs!!

Yeah. They'll do anything to hold onto some antiquated Cuban-American electorate in Florida. I just laugh when I think of this embargo and our relationship with China.

311 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:06:22am

re: #309 Lidane

Can we please kill the Cuban embargo? It's a Cold War relic that hasn't accomplished a damned thing.

GOP ‘Appalled’ Over Obama Granting Castro’s Daughter Visa, Ignores Trips Under Bush

This is all about politics for them. As pointed out, she was here during the Bush years. There was no outrage then. Huh I wonder why. And really messed up for the head of the international relations committee to accuse the state department of loving dictators.

312 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:07:21am

re: #310 Gus

But the Bay of Pigs!!

Yeah. They'll do anything to hold onto some antiquated Cuban-American electorate in Florida. I just laugh when I think of this embargo and our relationship with China.

Yep. I mean I am no fan of the Castro brothers but the fact we still have the embargo with Cuba for "human rights" reasons while we've got a huge relationship with the PRC is just ridiculous.

313 Lidane  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:07:30am

re: #310 Gus

I just laugh when I think of this embargo and our relationship with China.

That's what gets me. Why cry about Castro's niece coming to the States for an academic conference when we're normalized trading partners with China?

WTF.

314 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:07:32am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

This is all about politics for them. As pointed out, she was here during the Bush years. There was no outrage then. Huh I wonder why. And really messed up for the head of the international relations committee to accuse the state department of loving dictators.

Yep. When I saw this I remembered that she visited the USA during the Bush years. Seriously. Who gives a crap.

315 dragonath  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:09:03am

Wow, I was just reading about Cuba. LGBT rights is one of the things the communist regime DID end up evolving on.

Stuff like this makes ya wonder if today's Republicans would complain about Stalin's daughter if she came over today.

316 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:09:15am

re: #314 Gus

Yep. When I saw this I remembered that she visited the USA during the Bush years. Seriously. Who gives a crap.

BUT---TEH GHEY COMMUNISTS!1!1TY

317 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:09:19am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

re: #313 Lidane

And look at what we and China just went through with Chen Guangcheng. Embarrassing for all around. Meanwhile Cuba is the boogie man.

318 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:09:37am

Has anyone been following the Brett Kimberlin stories? I've seen them but they're all so convoluted and poorly sourced I can't seem to makes sense of the story. Hot Air has a thread up about it now. Apparently he's harassing wingnuts in meatspace. Anyone know what's up?

319 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:12:03am

Heck. Think of Cuba. The embargo. And Pakistan. WTF?

320 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:12:12am

re: #313 Lidane

That's what gets me. Why cry about Castro's niece coming to the States for an academic conference when we're normalized trading partners with China?

WTF.

Precisely. I mean I understand the emotions with the issue but the way the right wing Cuban-American exiles tell it, you would think that Castro was the only dictator ever in that region and that Cuba was a democratic paradise before the revolution. As I said, I am no fan of Castro or his brother but this is just double standard bullshit.

321 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:12:28am

Cuba: enemy
Pakistan: friend

L-O-L

322 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:15:16am

Uh oh! //

323 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:15:51am

re: #290 Gus

For now, yes.

I'm trying to get the fuck out.

Mom did explain why my dad seems to be disintegrating over time. It actually makes me pity him.

Unfortunately, all the emotional stuff looped back around. I right now feel numb, for lack of a better term.

324 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:16:54am

re: #315 Be Zorch, Daddio

Wow, I was just reading about Cuba. LGBT rights is one of the things the communist regime DID end up evolving on.

Stuff like this makes ya wonder if today's Republicans would complain about Stalin's daughter if she came over today.

This actually reminds me of what happened when I saw Sergei(Nikita's son) Khrushchev speak on the 50th anniversary of Sputnik at my then community college. Some jerk actually tried to red-bait him despite the fact that Dr. Khrushchev has been a naturalized US citizen since 1999 and to boot he teaches at the Naval War College. The latter of which was mentioned in the introduction. I liked him. He clarified up the old shoe story and had some humor to him. I met the U2 Pilot, Francis Gary Powers' son at the same event.

325 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:16:57am

re: #323 ProGunLiberal

For now, yes.

I'm trying to get the fuck out.

Mom did explain why my dad seems to be disintegrating over time. It actually makes me pity him.

Unfortunately, all the emotional stuff looped back around. I right now feel numb, for lack of a better term.

Obama will be at the Air Force Academy today. Commencement address. Also some Thunderbirds flights.

326 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:21:59am

re: #321 Gus

Let's do a comparison as to the aid they offered when we were most vulnerable, Hurricane Katrina.

Cuba-

One of the first countries to offer aid, Cuba offered to send 1,586 doctors and 26 tons of medicine. This aid was rejected by the State Department. Also, before the 2006 World Baseball Classic, Cuba said they would donate their share of the winnings to Katrina victims to ensure the United States embargo against Cuba was not violated. However, after the tournament, the U.S. government refused to allow the donation.

Pakistan

On September 4 Pakistan offered to send a team of doctors and paramedics to support the relief agencies. Pakistan also pledged $1 million through the Red Cross.

Point to Cuba. Hell, Iran could be argued to have offered more.

Offered to send humanitarian aid and 20 million barrels (3,200,000 m³) of crude oil.

327 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:23:34am
328 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:23:39am

re: #318 Killgore Trout

Has anyone been following the Brett Kimberlin stories? I've seen them but they're all so convoluted and poorly sourced I can't seem to makes sense of the story. Hot Air has a thread up about it now. Apparently he's harassing wingnuts in meatspace. Anyone know what's up?

Damn, the dude does seem like a violent creep
The Speedway Bombings, Part 1
For a week in 1978, the Town of Speedway was terrorized by a serial bomber

329 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:25:36am

Our policy on Cuba is backwards. In an ideal world, it would be more democratic and as I said I do understand the emotions that are involved for many in the exile community but they''re not the only community that has been oppressed by dictatorship.

330 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:25:52am

re: #328 Killgore Trout

Damn, the dude does seem like a violent creep
The Speedway Bombings, Part 1
For a week in 1978, the Town of Speedway was terrorized by a serial bomber

My advice is to not get involved with that Patterico, RS McCain cluster fuck.

331 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:27:00am

re: #327 Gus

Meh, I've gotten to 105 mph in my 2001 Honda Accord.

I got lost going to the Airport one time, and ended up in cow pastures (This was in Oklahoma). So I went "Fuck it" and did an aggressive experiment to see how fast my car could go in 1-2 miles.

332 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:29:08am

re: #330 Gus

My advice is to not get involved with that Patterico, RS McCain cluster fuck.

I have no desire to get involved. Just trying to understand what's going on. Why are conservatives involved with Kimberlin at all? Is he some sort of Bill Ayers type leftist folk hero or something?

333 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:32:11am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

I have no desire to get involved. Just trying to understand what's going on. Why are conservatives involved with Kimberlin at all? Is he some sort of Bill Ayers type leftist folk hero or something?

To be honest? I really don't know. He seems like he might be some nutcase. The right bloggers are trying to attach him to Soros!! Last I heard was that RS McCain was moving out of his house because of him? I don't know. He's allegedly harassing... well... first link here.

334 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:33:20am

Crap like that makes me want to move on from some of this crap. It really gets out of hand sometimes. This stupid drama.

335 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:35:47am

re: #333 Gus

Ah, it seems he's been reciting Tides money for a charity.
Nonprofit of terrorist bomber received Tides Foundation funding
Also reportedly affiliated with the dude from Brad Blog.

336 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:37:48am

Patterico is a jerk but Kimberlin is a well known name around these parts. He's a violent dirtbag that should have been kept off the streets.

337 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:38:09am

re: #335 Killgore Trout

Ah, it seems he's been reciting Tides money for a charity.
Nonprofit of terrorist bomber received Tides Foundation funding
Also reportedly affiliated with the dude from Brad Blog.

Yeah. It's like this deep melodrama that easily morphs into some kind of vast left wing conspiracy. I never even heard of him until this junk came up.

338 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:38:27am

re: #326 ProGunLiberal

I should mention that, to me, the most heartwarming thing in my lifetime was the international response to Hurricane Katrina. Most of the planet responded after we laid out by Katrina.

Kinda put down the stupid "Everybody Hate America" bit. Even enemies came and offered aid.

339 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:39:21am

re: #334 Gus

Crap like that makes me want to move on from some of this crap. It really gets out of hand sometimes. This stupid drama.

Possibly. I ignored it because it did appear to be some silly overly dramatized outrage. The dude does seem genuinely creepy and violent. I'm not a fan of RSM or anyone else involved but siding with a leftist serial bomber threatening political opponents is not an option for me.

340 wrenchwench  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:39:36am

This is what I was seeing yesterday, although it had traveled many miles when I saw it.

Image: P5223407s.jpg

341 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:41:07am

re: #340 wrenchwench

This is what I was seeing yesterday, although it had traveled many miles when I saw it.

Image: P5223407s.jpg

So I had some beans. Sue me.

342 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:43:01am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Possibly. I ignored it because it did appear to be some silly overly dramatized outrage. The dude does seem genuinely creepy and violent. I'm not a fan of RSM or anyone else involved but siding with a leftist serial bomber threatening political opponents is not an option for me.

Some crazy shit going on there.

343 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:43:42am

re: #340 wrenchwench

Fire I'm guessing? Where is that?

344 EdDantes  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:45:21am

re: #331 ProGunLiberal

My record is 117 mph in my 1973 Mazda rx-2. I put a Holley carb and low restriction exhaust on it and had it wound to almost 8k rpm before I lost my nerve. I was shootin' for 120.

I did some stupid things as a young man. I am thankful that I did not hurt anyone.

345 dragonath  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:46:15am

Hey, I tried looking up the Olympic Opening Ceremonies from 2004 but they're blocked on a copyright infringement claim. Wow. Screw you, IOC. Countries spend untold amounts of public funds on these things but they can't extend the courtesy of letting someone post a grainy video on Youtube.

No wonder Romney liked that gig.

346 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:47:35am

re: #344 EdDantes

My record is 117 mph in my 1973 Mazda rx-2. I put a Holley carb and low restriction exhaust on it and had it wound to almost 8k rpm before I lost my nerve. I was shootin' for 120.

I did some stupid things as a young man. I am thankful that I did not hurt anyone.

Warp 9.997 for me.
Slowpokes.
:P

347 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:48:34am

re: #346 Varek Raith

Warp 9.997 for me.
Slowpokes.
:P

Ludicrous speed here.

348 dragonfire1981  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:51:59am
349 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:52:02am

re: #344 EdDantes

I want to see somebody get their car to Hurricane Wilma speeds.

Research has shown that Hurricane Wilma may have had Sustained Wind Speeds of 210-230 MPH.

350 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:56:53am

Polling shows that Obama's lead has dwindled in the MidWest.

This worries me greatly. And also stumps me.

351 wrenchwench  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:57:51am

Image: 876.png

From here. Be sure to click the 'previous comic' button a few times.

352 wrenchwench  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:58:32am

re: #343 ProGunLiberal

Fire I'm guessing? Where is that?

New Mexico. It's on fire.

354 wrenchwench  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:59:17am

I've done 50 on a bicycle. Once was enough.

355 dragonfire1981  Wed, May 23, 2012 8:59:37am

re: #353 Gus

Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg faces the perils of Wall Street

A wise man once said: "Mo' money, Mo problems."

356 dragonfire1981  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:00:26am

Oh for the love of...

Pizza place catches flack for promo asking customers to order in Spanish

No comprende the problem senor!

357 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:01:13am

Citizen K : the deeply weird American journey of Brett Kimberlin

From the author of the bestselling "Funny Money, " the saga of a master drug smuggler, convicted bomber, suspected murderer, jailhouse lawyer, and media manipulator, whose story about supplying marijuana to a future vice president is only the beginning. This is a portrait of an elusive man and a social history that crisscrosses the republic over the past three decades. (source: Nielsen Book Data)

358 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:01:22am

re: #318 Killgore Trout

Has anyone been following the Brett Kimberlin stories? I've seen them but they're all so convoluted and poorly sourced I can't seem to makes sense of the story. Hot Air has a thread up about it now. Apparently he's harassing wingnuts in meatspace. Anyone know what's up?

Who that?

359 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:04:38am

re: #358 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Who that?

See #335. He's some deranged creep with leftist ties who's been threatening bloggers.

360 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:05:13am

re: #359 Killgore Trout

See #335. He's some deranged creep with leftist ties who's been threatening bloggers.

Thx.

361 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:05:30am

re: #358 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

StarFiles: The Speedway Bombings, Part 1
For a week in 1978, the Town of Speedway was terrorized by a serial bomber
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Speedway is part of Indianapolis. It's where the track is located.

362 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:07:04am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

I'm not a fan of RSM or anyone else involved but siding with a leftist serial bomber threatening political opponents is not an option for me.

Has anyone of note been siding with him?

363 iossarian  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:08:00am

re: #362 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Has anyone of note been siding with him?

All liberals implicitly endorse his activities unless they formally repudiate his actions.

364 allegro  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:10:17am

re: #363 iossarian

All liberals implicitly endorse his activities unless they formally repudiate his actions.

We would have to have heard of him first... I think. Never know anymore. I never heard the name before KT's post.

365 iossarian  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:11:57am

re: #364 allegro

We would have to have heard of him first... I think. Never know anymore. I never heard the name before KT's post.

To be fair, all similar people are unknowns until they blow someone up. This guy is another such dick.

One swallow does not a summer make, however. And this guy is not a mainstream liberal, unlike the fully-paid-up GOP cheerleaders who call for teachers to be murdered, etc.

366 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:12:47am

re: #362 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Has anyone of note been siding with him?

Well, it seems like left leaning groups are giving him quite a bit of money.

367 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:12:55am

re: #362 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

re: #364 allegro

Not sure what is going on now but one of the blogs I read had a problem with him a few years ago. I read then that he was involved in the bradblog or something.

368 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:18:09am

re: #366 Killgore Trout

Well, it seems like left leaning groups are giving him quite a bit of money.

A lot of claims about the current situation seem to be based on claims of such luminaries as Patterico and RSMcCain. I'll wait until someone with credibility looks into it.

369 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:19:03am

re: #367 RogueOne

re: #364 allegro

Not sure what is going on now but one of the blogs I read had a problem with him a few years ago. I read then that he was involved in the bradblog or something.

Also they're partners in another project called velvet revolution.

370 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:19:22am

re: #368 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

A lot of claims about the current situation seem to be based on claims of such luminaries as Patterico and RSMcCain. I'll wait until someone with credibility looks into it.

True enough. We are talking the same folks that think Charles controls the internet. ;)

371 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:20:53am

re: #368 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

A lot of claims about the current situation seem to be based on claims of such luminaries as Patterico and RSMcCain. I'll wait until someone with credibility looks into it.

Well, you might be waiting a while. The conservative blogosphere pissed away all its credibility a long while ago and lefties don't seem interested in exposing the story.

372 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:21:33am

The first of what will be many class action suits against FB and those involved in the IPO has been filed in the SDNY (No. 12 CV 4018). I've read through the complaint and the main question being raised is whether federal securities laws were violated and whether the prospectus and registration statement issued by Zuckerberg et al., in connection with the IPO negligently omitted and/or misrepresented material facts about FB and its business. The lawyers are arguing that FB was experiencing a severe downturn in revenue growth, leading to lower revenue forecasts for 2012 - which they failed to disclose during the roadshow (dog and pony show leading up to the IPO). The underwriters for the IPO reduced their estimates, but those estimates weren't shared with all FB investors (the crux of the suit - as information is valuable and has worth to those who might have invested or chosen to not partake).

Count 1 is an alleged violation of Sec. 11 of the Securities Act (Civil Liabilities on Account of False Registration Statement).
Count 2 is an alleged violation of Sec. 12(a)(2) of the Securities Act (Civil Liabilities Arising in Connection with Prospectuses and Communications - loss causation).
Count 3 is an alleged violation of Sec. 15 of the Securities Act (Liability of Controlling Persons).

373 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:23:02am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Well, you might be waiting a while. The conservative blogosphere pissed away all its credibility a long while ago and lefties don't seem interested in exposing the story.

The world is not divided into lefties and wingnuts.

If there's a story there, somebody will probably take a look. In fact, if there are indeed threats of violence, the police will get involved.

374 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:23:12am

re: #369 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't want to be in the same room with him. I tried finding the blog I used to read, a local Indy one, but it must be defunct. IIRC, he had written something about kimberlin still being around and the bombing case/quayle marijuana claims and Kimberlin sued him. It was years ago, maybe 2008-ish?

375 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:23:49am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Well, you might be waiting a while. The conservative blogosphere pissed away all its credibility a long while ago and lefties don't seem interested in exposing the story.

Well. As you know there is no "lefty clearinghouse" that would undertake such a task. Most people never heard of the guy. We're basically looking at some inside baseball.

376 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:25:05am

re: #373 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

The world is not divided into lefties and wingnuts.

If there's a story there, somebody will probably take a look. In fact, if there are indeed threats of violence, the police will get involved.

Yep. Was just thinking about the police. Instead of "taking it to the blogs" I would think something like this, if true, would not only involve the local police but all the way up to the FBI. It's a rather odd story so far.

377 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:26:54am

re: #368 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

A lot of claims about the current situation seem to be based on claims of such luminaries as Patterico and RSMcCain. I'll wait until someone with credibility looks into it.

I searched "Brett Kimberlin" on HuffPo and found him in the comments of an article about how Karl Rove stole the 2004 election for GWB.

Another key element is the involvement of Brett Kimberlin as a source for reports in the case. We've heard Rove threatened Connell and his wife, that screenshots were obtained showing the out-of-state "man in the middle" IP address switchovers and that Connell's plane was reportedly tampered with on other occasions.

One possible reason this story has been whitewashed from mainstream coverage could be Kimberlin who has provided the media with credible intel at times but also served time in connection with bombings during the 70s. Kimberlin has been heavily involved in researching and reporting on "RoveCybergate" from the start, along with Brad Friedman, Larisa Alexandrovna and others - but not even the left-most MSNBC anchors Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann have reported on the Mike Connell election theft accusations for some reason.

Uh, because it's batshit?

378 wrenchwench  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:27:29am
379 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:29:10am

re: #377 Learned Mother of Zion

I searched "Brett Kimberlin" on HuffPo and found him in the comments of an article about how Karl Rove stole the 2004 election for GWB.

Uh, because it's batshit?

I checked out "velvet revolution" which is a project he shares with the Bradblog guy. It's all about OWS, arresting the Bush regime and other batshit nonsense.

380 iossarian  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:29:23am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Well, you might be waiting a while. The conservative blogosphere pissed away all its credibility a long while ago and lefties don't seem interested in exposing the story.

From what I've now read from various sources, Kimberlin sounds like an unsavory character who went to jail for the bombing spree (and was suspected of other crimes with insufficient evidence to prosecute) who is now a still-unsavory character who has had some run-ins with various right-wing bloggers who want to expose his past.

Not quite the same order of magnitude as what's going on the right, but desperate times* call for desperate measures I suppose.

* Condi still not on ticket.

381 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:29:50am

re: #378 wrenchwench

yes because every latino drinks tequila and is mexican...

382 jaunte  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:30:29am

re: #378 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Tributo a Mi Padre is crafted by Hector Barreto, a Latino entrepreneur who hails from Mexico and ex-head of the US Small Business Administration.

[Link: spirits.drinks-business-review.com...]

383 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:32:03am

Kimmerlin is a piece of work who seems to have picked up where he left off and is again engaging in acts that should get law enforcement attention. If there are threats and/or criminal acts being alleged or have already occurred, then the proper venue would be for law enforcement to take a look - local PD and/or FBI/JTTF, particularly in light of the guy's background - and not bloggers taking it upon themselves.

Doesn't matter who the principals are - wingnuts or moonbats. Criminal acts should be investigated by law enforcement and those who have been harmed by those acts should have the protections of the law.

384 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:33:05am

re: #383 lawhawk

Kimmerlin is a piece of work who seems to have picked up where he left off and is again engaging in acts that should get law enforcement attention. If there are threats and/or criminal acts being alleged or have already occurred, then the proper venue would be for law enforcement to take a look - local PD and/or FBI/JTTF, particularly in light of the guy's background - and not bloggers taking it upon themselves.

Doesn't matter who the principals are - wingnuts or moonbats. Criminal acts should be investigated by law enforcement and those who have been harmed by those acts should have the protections of the law.

That makes too much sense. ;)

385 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:34:18am

The guy sounds like a total whack job and I don't see any left-of-center blogs endorsing him, just that one moonbatty comment at HuffPo.

386 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:35:18am

re: #383 lawhawk

Kimmerlin is a piece of work who seems to have picked up where he left off and is again engaging in acts that should get law enforcement attention. If there are threats and/or criminal acts being alleged or have already occurred, then the proper venue would be for law enforcement to take a look - local PD and/or FBI/JTTF, particularly in light of the guy's background - and not bloggers taking it upon themselves.

Doesn't matter who the principals are - wingnuts or moonbats. Criminal acts should be investigated by law enforcement and those who have been harmed by those acts should have the protections of the law.

So far I've just been looking into his background and affiliations and the story checks out so far. I haven't looked into the nature of the alleged threats yet but they might be something as simple as posting an address or some publicly available personal information. Intimidating but maybe not technically illegal.

387 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:37:04am

re: #386 Killgore Trout

..and I'll add that the wingnuts might just be making up the threats in an attempt to draw attention to their information about Kimberlin.

388 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:38:59am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

..and I'll add that the wingnuts might just be making up the threats in an attempt to draw attention to their information about Kimberlin.

In which case, those involved would potentially be committing crimes themselves if law enforcement investigates into Kimmerlin (think obstruction, filing false reports, etc.).

389 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:40:05am

re: #388 lawhawk

In which case, those involved would potentially be committing crimes themselves if law enforcement investigates into Kimmerlin (think obstruction, filing false reports, etc.).

Well, they're Tweeting away this morning. Remember to click on "all".

390 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:41:44am

This is why we have lawn chairs and coolers full of beer. This is gonna rock.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Afternoon Honcos.

391 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:42:23am

re: #389 Gus

Well, they're Tweeting away this morning. Remember to click on "all".

Friday, May 25th Is “Everybody Blog About Brett Kimberlin Day”.

I must be tired because for some reason that strikes me funny.

392 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:43:00am

re: #391 RogueOne

Friday, May 25th Is “Everybody Blog About Brett Kimberlin Day”.

I must be tired because for some reason that strikes me funny.

Nah. It's not because you're tired. ;)

393 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:43:41am

re: #390 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's about time we did something about Tampa. They've been asking for it for years!

394 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:46:17am

re: #393 RogueOne

It's about time we did something about Tampa. They've been asking for it for years!

The mayor of Tampa is gonna be the mock hostage. These guys will be repelling down buildings and blowing (nothing) stuff up!!

395 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:46:19am

Here's a background of Kimberlin's progressive blogosphere activism.
The Wizard of Odd

396 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:46:28am

For example:

Did Congress Pass a Law Stripping Citizens of the Right To Mention Brett Kimberlin's Felonious Past?

That's over at Ace of Spades. Seriously? Congress is now involved?

397 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:46:47am

Breaking News: Google Chrome also sucks.

398 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:48:13am

It seems the "threat" that caused RSM to leave his home was that Kimberlin started calling the employer of RSM's wife.
Not really a threat but an intimidating move to let RSM know that his personal life and family are being researched.

399 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:48:40am

re: #397 Gus

Breaking News: Google Chrome also sucks.

I had to go back to Firefox last week.

400 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:49:30am

re: #396 Gus

For example:

That's over at Ace of Spades. Seriously? Congress is now involved?

I've never heard of "Vexatious litigant" laws. Wiki mentions only CA as having them. I wonder why only CA?

401 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:50:00am

re: #398 Killgore Trout

It seems the "threat" that caused RSM to leave his home was that Kimberlin started calling the employer of RSM's wife.
Not really a threat but an intimidating move to let RSM know that his personal life and family are being researched.

That is really creepy.

402 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:50:43am

re: #399 Killgore Trout

I had to go back to Firefox last week.

It crashes, stutters, stalls, Flash sucks on it. Went back to Firefox for a moment last night and that still sucks. MSIE always sucked. Opera sucks. Just way too many bells and whistles on a lot of sites. Especially now with multiple video advertisements. Added to that is the fact that Adobe Flash is crappy software.

403 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:51:43am

re: #398 Killgore Trout

It seems the "threat" that caused RSM to leave his home was that Kimberlin started calling the employer of RSM's wife.
Not really a threat but an intimidating move to let RSM know that his personal life and family are being researched.

Eventually he's going to scare someone enough they'll decide to go all Bush doctrine on him.

404 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:52:18am

re: #401 Learned Mother of Zion

That is really creepy.

It is. As much as I oppose RSM, Malkin, et al I still support their right to free speech. Intimidation and stalking against political opponents is way out of bounds.

405 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:52:39am

re: #402 Gus

It crashes, stutters, stalls, Flash sucks on it. Went back to Firefox for a moment last night and that still sucks. MSIE always sucked. Opera sucks. Just way too many bells and whistles on a lot of sites. Especially now with multiple video advertisements. Added to that is the fact that Adobe Flash is crappy software.

I like Firefox because it's the only browser that runs AdBlock. Totally worth putting up with everything else just in order not to see "Wrinkle Mom" "Drudge Siren Back-to-School Lady" and "Language Professors Hate This Guy"

406 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:54:08am

re: #405 Learned Mother of Zion

I like Firefox because it's the only browser that runs AdBlock. Totally worth putting up with everything else just in order not to see "Wrinkle Mom" "Drudge Siren Back-to-School Lady" and "Language Professors Hate This Guy"

Single Mom From Indiana Teeth Whitening Secret!

407 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:55:02am

re: #405 Learned Mother of Zion

Chrome also has ad block plus. But it's major suckage for flash (which consistently craps out - but at least it doesn't kill all sessions/instances whereas a flash crash on IE of FF would leave you with few options except throwing something at the screen).

408 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:55:08am

re: #406 RogueOne

Single Mom From Indiana Teeth Whitening Secret!

FCC shut down the Teeth Whitening scam and the Tiny Belly Trick scam.

409 RogueOne  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:55:48am

re: #408 Learned Mother of Zion

FCC shut down the Teeth Whitening scam and the Tiny Belly Trick scam.

Great, another hoosier out of a job//

410 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:56:44am

re: #409 RogueOne

Great, another hoosier out of a job//

Naw, probably went right over to the Wrinkle scam.

411 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:56:47am

re: #407 lawhawk

Chrome also has ad block plus. But it's major suckage for flash (which consistently craps out - but at least it doesn't kill all sessions/instances whereas a flash crash on IE of FF would leave you with few options except throwing something at the screen).

Is that what it is? Yeesh it's annoying.

412 erik_t  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:57:04am

re: #408 Learned Mother of Zion

FCC shut down the Teeth Whitening scam and the Tiny Belly Trick scam.

Damned regulations, helpin' people and whatnot.

413 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:59:00am

re: #412 erik_t

Damned regulations, helpin' people and whatnot.

All these [town name from IP grab] scams are offshore. You could go to Antarctica to try to get away from them and you would still see "Tierra Del Fuego Mama trabajo en casa"

414 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 9:59:36am

re: #413 Learned Mother of Zion

All these [town name from IP grab] scams are offshore. You could go to Antarctica to try to get away from them and you would still see "Tierra Del Fuego Mama trabajo en casa"

I'm an Antarctic Prince...

415 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:04:25am
416 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:06:09am

Whoooooboy.

417 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:06:21am

re: #415 Gus

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418 wrenchwench  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:06:39am

re: #382 jaunte

[Link: spirits.drinks-business-review.com...]

Damn, they should have called it "Sueños de Mi Padre".

419 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:07:48am

re: #417 Varek Raith

...
..
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It's like a spatula. Weeks months.

//

420 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:09:07am

Yikes what a nutcase.

421 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:09:24am

Before the internet I would have never guessed that mental illness was this common.

422 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:10:55am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

Yikes what a nutcase.

That's 100 percent Grade-A crazy right there.

It's like a spatula! //

423 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:11:52am

re: #347 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ludicrous speed here.

Plaid even!

424 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:12:15am

re: #421 Gus

Why suffer your delusions alone when you can share them with anyone else who might be more than willing to believe them. /i wish i was being sarcastic, but the Internet makes this all too common.

425 Kragar  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:12:25am

This morning, I heard Rush say that the free market is a proven success because workers in the 1800s might only make $3.00 a day, but nowadays they can make $100.00.

Thats it. That was his whole argument.

426 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:13:07am
427 wrenchwench  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:13:21am

Here's more of that smoke I saw yesterday.

428 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:13:35am

re: #425 Kragar

This morning, I heard Rush say that the free market is a proven success because workers in the 1800s might only make $3.00 a day, but nowadays they can make $100.00.

Thats it. That was his whole argument.

What do you expect from a college drop out? I'm sure workers in Cuba and other nations make more today than they did 50 years ago. That doesn't validate communism anymore than Rush's argument.

429 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:13:51am

re: #426 Kronocide

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Just today or every day?

430 wrenchwench  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:14:41am

re: #425 Kragar

This morning, I heard Rush say that the free market is a proven success because workers in the 1800s might only make $3.00 a day, but nowadays they can make $100.00.

Thats it. That was his whole argument.

I thought that was the argument that inflation was going to be the death of us all.

431 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:15:32am

re: #429 HappyWarrior

Just today or every day?

They're freaking out about the Law of the Sea hearings. Hillary spoke. They're connecting it with Agenda 21. Also what happened in Arizona with the birther crap. Also add in the Kimberlin insanity. I'm sure there's more.

432 dragonath  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:16:00am

re: #425 Kragar

1924 Germany says hello

433 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:16:33am
434 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:17:12am

re: #433 Varek Raith

How Much Can Dick Morris Get Wrong About Sea Treaty In Three Minutes?

Sure enough, there it is.

Teh Law of teh Sea iz goin' to take away mah gunz!!!!

435 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:18:00am

re: #433 Varek Raith

How Much Can Dick Morris Get Wrong About Sea Treaty In Three Minutes?

A hackjob appearing on another hackjob's TV show to spread bullshit. In otherwords, sun is shining and the sky is blue.

436 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:19:39am

re: #404 Killgore Trout

It is. As much as I oppose RSM, Malkin, et al I still support their right to free speech. Intimidation and stalking against political opponents is way out of bounds.

Agreed, however being the opportunists that they are, they're making a concerted effort to turn it into a massive left wing conspiracy in an attempt to smear & discredit any liberals they can, the same as they've been trying to do with the suspended Twitter accounts. They've even attempted to drag Charles into it and label him as a supporter of "left wing terrorism".

Apparently, they couldn't talk about it before because of litigation involving Kimerlin, but now that that's over they're free to run with it. They've been coordinating & planning for at least the past week or so. They have big plans for this coming Friday—google "everybody blog about brett kimberlin day" and you'll see what I'm talking about.

437 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:20:11am

re: #429 HappyWarrior

Just today or every day?

Whiny Conservative - The New Stereotype

Some crap about a photoshop of a second rate female pundit (SE Cupp) getting a photoshop of a penis in her mouth... in Hustler magazine. This resulted in an interview on Beck and an indictment of 'the Left.' Hustler is 'the Left.' Srsly.

Then some pinata with a picture of Nikki Haley on it. It's not like they have pictures of gunsights on her district or anything.

And more Vetted stuff about Obama in colonial garb 15 years ago, so he's a Teabagger.

438 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:21:57am

re: #437 Kronocide

Whiny Conservative - The New Stereotype

Some crap about a photoshop of a second rate female pundit (SE Cupp) getting a photoshop of a penis in her mouth... in Hustler magazine. This resulted in an interview on Beck and an indictment of 'the Left.' Hustler is 'the Left.' Srsly.

Then some pinata with a picture of Nikki Haley on it. It's not like they have pictures of gunsights on her district or anything.

And more Vetted stuff about Obama in colonial garb 15 years ago, so he's a Teabagger.

You have got to be kidding me(Hustler is now the left?). And whiny conservative is more less a reality these days than stereotype. And they say liberals are the whiny ones. Not that we can't be but the past four years I've seen enough whine from conservatives to build a winery.

439 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:27:02am

re: #436 CuriousLurker

Agreed, however being the opportunists that they are, they're making a concerted effort to turn it into a massive left wing conspiracy in an attempt to smear & discredit any liberals they can, the same as they've been trying to do with the suspended Twitter accounts. They've even attempted to drag Charles into it and label him as a supporter of "left wing terrorism".

Apparently, they couldn't talk about it before because of litigation involving Kimerlin, but now that that's over they're free to run with it. They've been coordinating & planning for at least the past week or so. Apparently, they have big plans for this coming Friday—google "everybody blog about brett kimberlin day" and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Yes, of course. I can see their logic already which works on multiple levels of fallacies. Anyone that is critical of R.S. McCain, Patterico, et al, side with Brett Kimberlin by default. As I noted above, the geniuses at Ace of Spades are also implying that the US Congress is also involved in the conspiracy and has legislated that no one be allowed to speak ill of Brett Kimberlin. This conspiracy also implicated Tides, George Soros, John Kerry, and of course the Obama administration who are all involved in an effort to "silence the right wing on Twitter." Now if you'll excuse me I have to remove this tin foil from my head.

440 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:28:06am

Weaponized misogyny: she gets her Propaganda Star for the day.

441 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:29:43am

re: #440 Kronocide

[Embedded content] Weaponized misogyny: she gets her Propaganda Star for the day.

Meh. It probably was in poor taste but that's what Malkin does for a living including harassing kids who don't share her view on SCHIP.

442 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:30:00am

re: #356 dragonfire1981

Oh for the love of...

Pizza place catches flack for promo asking customers to order in Spanish

No comprende the problem senor!

The whole this is being orchestrated by the far-right "Conservative Caucus" group founded by conspiracy loon Howard Phillips, who on their webpage link to such illustrious groups as the Young Americans for Freedom, John Birch Society, and VDARE. They also made the news a couple of years ago when they were pushing for local police to go door-to-door in the Dallas suburb of Farmers Branch, TX to verify that all people living there were legal residents of the US.

As for what they're up in arms about?
On June 5, if you order a pizza from Pizza Patron' with the words "Pizza por favor", you get a free pepperoni pizza.

Really.

443 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:31:24am

re: #442 RadicalModerate

The whole this is being orchestrated by the far-right "Conservative Caucus" group founded by conspiracy loon Howard Phillips, who on their webpage link to such illustrious groups as the Young Americans for Freedom, John Birch Society, and VDARE. They also made the news a couple of years ago when they were pushing for local police to go door-to-door in the Dallas suburb of Farmers Branch, TX to verify that all people living there were legal residents of the US.

As for what they're up in arms about?
On June 5, if you order a pizza from Pizza Patron' with the words "Pizza por favor", you get a free pepperoni pizza.

Really.

Oh that's what their upset about? Jesus Christ this is even more dumb than I thought it would be. Phillips FWIW was the 2000 Constitution Party nominee.

444 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:32:22am

re: #440 Kronocide

[Embedded content] Weaponized misogyny: she gets her Propaganda Star for the day.

But of course. Hustler Magazine is known for its feminist literature which champions the cause of women around the world. It's also on the reading list for the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.

//

445 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:33:28am

re: #439 Gus

Yes, of course. I can see their logic already which works on multiple levels of fallacies. Anyone that is critical of R.S. McCain, Patterico, et al, side with Brett Kimberlin by default. As I noted above, the geniuses at Ace of Spades are also implying that the US Congress is also involved in the conspiracy and has legislated that no one be allowed to speak ill of Brett Kimberlin. This conspiracy also implicated Tides, George Soros, John Kerry, and of course the Obama administration who are all involved in an effort to "silence the right wing on Twitter." Now if you'll excuse me I have to remove this tin foil from my head.

Exactly. Never let an opportunity to stoke fear & anger go to waste.

446 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:33:51am

I hear George Soros and ACORN help publish Hustler.

447 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:33:53am

Peaceful protest update: No vote on Occupy Oakland weapons ban

Occupy Oakland protesters have disrupted a meeting where city leaders were considering a law banning the use of homemade weapons by demonstrators.

Police cleared a meeting of the City Council's public safety committee on Tuesday after protesters began yelling that the measure would infringe their rights. Some swore, shouted down a speaker and hinted at violence if the measure passed.

The ordinance would allow police to arrest demonstrators carrying shields, clubs and defensive sprays.

448 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:34:09am

re: #445 CuriousLurker

Exactly. Never let an opportunity to stoke fear & anger go to waste.

These guys make me feel like I'm married.

//

449 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:34:43am

While AngryArabiya is still in Bahraini jail, she did get a letter out, which has been Tweeted to everyone.

Read the tweets please. Here are examples:

At what point do we say enough is enough, and stop supporting Bahrain. You think we would have learned with Iran in the 50's-70's, but here we are again. This will inspire a a backlash.

450 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:35:19am

re: #448 Gus

These guys make me feel like I'm married.

//

LOL!

*sigh* Gotta get back to work. Later.

451 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:35:26am

re: #440 Kronocide

Weaponized misogyny is when someone throws acid on young girls trying to go to school. Weaponized misogyny is when someone bombs schools where girls are supposed to be learning. Weaponized misogyny is when someone poisons 150 girls for the "crime" of trying to get educated.

Photoshopping a woman into a sexual act isn't weaponized misogyny and by making that link, Malkin degrades the real and very serious crimes against women around the world whose lives are put at risk by misogynists.

I rate this weaponized hyperbole of the day.

452 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:35:52am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

Meh. It probably was in poor taste but that's what Malkin does for a living including harassing kids who don't share her view on SCHIP.

It absolutely was in poor taste, Hustler celebrates that.

Malkin's record is a completely different thing. But that's the beauty of applying a 'war' posture to politics: it make the rules looser and justifies stretching them.

Onward TwitterWarriors.

453 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:35:53am

re: #440 Kronocide

[Embedded content]
Weaponized misogyny: she gets her Propaganda Star for the day.

Because everybody reads Hustler for their cutting-edge political satire, just like everybody reads Playboy for the literary reviews and interviews with the leading intellectuals of the day.
//

454 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:37:12am

re: #453 Learned Mother of Zion

Because everybody reads Hustler for their cutting-edge political satire, just like everybody reads Playboy for the literary reviews and interviews.

Don't forget. Hustler's "readership" is only made up of Democrats and various sundry leftists. Republicans and conservatives don't "read" Hustler.

//

455 ProGunLiberal  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:38:25am

re: #451 lawhawk

Never mind this two-bit moron has defended internment, and released the addresses of Liberals, making them vulnerable to intimidation.

Strangely enough, she lives in Colorado Springs

456 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:39:49am

re: #452 Kronocide

It absolutely was in poor taste, Hustler celebrates that.

Malkin's record is a completely different thing. But that's the beauty of applying a 'war' posture to politics: it make the rules looser and justifies stretching them.

Onward TwitterWarriors.

Yeah

Yeah, just annoyed that Malkin is dishonestly equating Hustler/Flynt with the left. And acting like she's somehow above dirty tactics.

457 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:40:42am
458 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:41:59am

re: #457 Gus

Hustler hearts Ron Paul (R-TX).

There are some people who believe it or not who think Paul is a left winger. They see the anti war rhetoric and think oh he's a left winger. Tottally ignoring that Paul is very much like the old right in his world view.

459 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:43:18am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Oh that's what their upset about? Jesus Christ this is even more dumb than I thought it would be. Phillips FWIW was the 2000 Constitution Party nominee.

Here's the ad that has these people in such an outrage - fresh from my scanner.

Image: PP_adv.jpg

460 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:45:14am

re: #459 RadicalModerate

Here's the ad that has these people in such an outrage - fresh from my scanner.

Image: PP_adv.jpg

That? That's sourcing outrage? Oh dear Christ, what a bunch of babies.

461 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:45:31am

I'm waiting to see if Charles posts about today's Vetting:

Obama the Original TeaBagger.

(photo of Obama in colonial garb, complete with Gadsden flag)

(15 years ago, some 4th of July parade)

(yeah, obvious entry in Biggest Wingnut Fail for May 2012)

462 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:47:33am

You mean a pr0n mag has some inappropriate stuff in it???
Shocked.
And.
Appalled!

463 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:49:18am

re: #462 Varek Raith

You mean a pr0n mag has some inappropriate stuff in it???
Shocked.
And.
Appalled!

Can you believe that? Just read that Larry Flynt is a sleaze bag but I'm going to give that the 24 hour rule.

//

464 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:49:46am

re: #459 RadicalModerate

Here's the ad that has these people in such an outrage - fresh from my scanner.

Image: PP_adv.jpg

The ad is in English!

465 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:50:11am

re: #462 Varek Raith

You mean a pr0n mag has some inappropriate stuff in it???
Shocked.
And.
Appalled!

I don't know about you, I read Penthouse for the bible verses.

466 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:50:58am

re: #459 RadicalModerate

Here's the ad that has these people in such an outrage - fresh from my scanner.

Image: PP_adv.jpg

I'll speak in any language for a free pizza!

468 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:51:41am

re: #466 Varek Raith

I'll speak in any language for a free pizza!

Would you speak in tongues?

469 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:51:52am

[Link: www.thelocal.de...]

A 16-year-old schoolboy has solved a mathematical problem which has stumped mathematicians for centuries, a newspaper report said. The boy put the historical breakthrough down to “schoolboy naivety.”

Shouryya Ray, who moved to Germany from India with his family at the age of 12, has baffled scientists and mathematicians by solving two fundamental particle dynamics problems posed by Sir Isaac Newton over 350 years ago, Die Welt newspaper reported on Monday.

470 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:52:05am

re: #468 Learned Mother of Zion

Would you speak in tongues?

FREE PIZZA!

471 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:52:37am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

I don't know about you, I read Penthouse for the bible verses.

And to marvel at God's creation, no doubt!

472 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:53:08am

The dead thread dinger is getting old.

473 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:53:25am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

I thought it was to make sure to visually appreciate what the Bible said was verbotten. /

474 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:53:28am

re: #471 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

And to marvel at God's first creation, no doubt!

Fixed to be in line with Genesis :D.

475 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:53:51am

re: #472 Gus

The dead thread dinger is getting old.

Guess that means I need some ointment. Still.

//

476 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:53:54am

re: #470 Varek Raith

FREE PIZZA!

Pizza is innocent!

477 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:54:20am

Who is Brett Kimberlin and why should I care?

478 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:54:25am

re: #469 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

[Link: www.thelocal.de...]

Amazes me to read stories like this. Smart kid.

479 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:54:30am

re: #476 Learned Mother of Zion

Occupy Pizza (places)!

480 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:56:38am

re: #467 Kragar

GOP Rep. Rob Bishop Claims Federal School Lunch Program Is Unconstitutional

He's claiming 10th amendment but who wants to bet he supports NOM's plans, supports federal drug prohibition laws, etc. Not going to research him but knowing your average Republican, my magic 8 ball leans to Hell to the Yes.

481 lawhawk  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:57:08am

And now... a little raspberry jam, courtesy of Joe Satriani:

482 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:57:12am

re: #466 Varek Raith

I'll speak in any language for a free pizza!

The pizza chain is very much a budget establishment, probably best compared to Little Caesars qualitywise, and even do a similar walk-in promotion for ready-to-go $5 pepperoni pizzas.

483 Kragar  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:57:23am

Dan Savages Announces Proposed Details For Debate With NOM’s Brian Brown

At a high school journalism conference last month, Dan Savage called out the Biblical hypocrisy when scripture is used to justify anti-gay positions while similar verses are ignored. The National Organization for Marriage’s Brian Brown accused Savage of bullying and challenged him to a debate: “You name the time and the place and let’s see what a big man you are in a debate with someone who can talk back.” Savage accepted this debate, and today on his podcast outlined exactly what time and place Brown could meet him:

SAVAGE: Where? My dining room table. Place? Seattle, Washington. Here’s the deal. We can fill a room with my screaming partisans and your screaming partisans and we’ll both play to our respective peanut galleries and I think both of us have a little bit of grandstander in souls and we will work that and I think that will create more heat than light. And so what I’d like to do is challenge you to come to my house for dinner. Bring the wife. My husband will be there. and I will hire a video crew and we will videotape sort of an after dinner debate.

The trick here is you have to acknowledge my humanity by accepting my hospitality and I have to acknowledge yours by extending my hospitality to you. And I’m willing to do that.

484 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:57:40am

D'oh!

485 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:59:14am

私はピザが欲しい!

486 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 10:59:30am

re: #483 Kragar

Dan Savages Announces Proposed Details For Debate With NOM’s Brian Brown

Wait Savage pointed out that grops like NOM selectively use the bible and that's why he got accused of bullying? That? Gosh biblical cons have some thin skin on them.

487 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:00:02am

re: #485 Varek Raith

私はピザが欲しい!

Dey tuk er jobs!

There's something wrong with these people.

488 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:00:48am

re: #487 Gus

Dey tuk er jobs!

There's something wrong with these people.

Ja, es gibt.

489 Kragar  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:01:22am

Anti-Racists Charged in Attack on White Nationalists

Five Indiana men were charged today in a violent attack Saturday that injured 10 alleged participants in a meeting to plan white nationalist strategy at a suburban Chicago restaurant.

Anti-Racist Action (ARA), a loosely organized group that fights racism, took credit on its website for the attacks, but it wasn’t immediately clear if the suspects are members. The group does have a Hoosier chapter. ARA spokespeople did not respond to E-mail requests for interviews.

The men were charged with felony mob action, felony aggravated battery and felony criminal damage to property, according to Steven Neubauer, chief of police in Tinley Park, Ill. The alleged attack took place just after noon at the Ashford House Restaurant. The men charged are Jason Sutherlin of Gossport, Ind.; Cody Sutherlin, Dylan Sutherlin and Robert Stuck of Bloomington, Ind.; and John Tucker of Spencer, Ind.

Police also charged two men who were at the meeting that was targeted. Neubauer said the men told police they were members of the European Heritage Association. It’s a white supremacist group that organized the meeting through posts on the Stormfront white nationalist website. The meeting was called the 5th annual White Nationalist Economic Summit and Illinois White Nationalist Meet-and-Greet. The two charged were Steven Eugene Speers of Grand Forks, N.D., arrested on a warrant for child pornography, and Francis John Gilroy Jr. of West Palm Beach, FL, charged with unlawful possession of weapons by a felon.

Police are continuing to investigate the attack, hoping to identify up to 13 others who may have participated and then fled.

About 18 attackers, wearing masks and dressed in black, allegedly threw bats, hammers and chairs after entering the restaurant, according to the Chicago Sun-Times. Ten were injured, with three treated at local hospitals. Damage to the restaurant totaled $10,000 to $15,000, according to co-owner Mike Winston.

490 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:01:48am

I remember reading about one candidate who called the Spanish language demonic or something like that. Yeah, that's what we're dealing with.

491 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:03:19am

re: #481 lawhawk

Always 1 up for Joe

492 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:03:28am

Learning other languages is gay!
-RWNJ

493 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:04:48am

re: #492 Varek Raith

Learning other languages is gay!
-RWNJ

People need to learn that when they come to this country they need to learn how to speak, read and write American!

//

494 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:04:51am

Remember when Horowitz said teachers were teaching kids Arabic to introduce them to terrorism? Como Se Dice stupid right wing moron en espanol?

495 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:05:39am

I took a year of Spanish.
A year of French.
And 4 years of German.
OH NOES!

496 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:06:16am

re: #495 Varek Raith

I took a year of Spanish.
A year of French.
And 4 years of German.
OH NOES!

Euroweenie.

497 Kragar  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:06:29am

re: #492 Varek Raith

Learning other languages is gay!
-RWNJ

English was good enough for Jesus, because its in the Bible.

498 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:07:26am

re: #495 Varek Raith

I took a year of Spanish.
A year of French.
And 4 years of German.
OH NOES!

So basically you're a lazy snobbish Nazi.

499 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:07:34am

re: #496 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Euroweenie.

I'm also learning a bit of Japanese.
I'm cool like that.
/

500 Kragar  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:08:06am

re: #495 Varek Raith

I took a year of Spanish.
A year of French.
And 4 years of German.
OH NOES!

3 years of French, straight Cs, can't speak a word
2 years of Latin, Straight As, can still get by.

Latin rocks.

501 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:08:10am

re: #498 HappyWarrior

So basically you're a lazy snobbish Nazi.

German is awesome for your everyday rant.
:P

502 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:08:31am

re: #497 Kragar

English was good enough for Jesus, because its in the Bible.

Adam and Eve were the first people to speak American. Get it straight!

//

503 Kragar  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:08:35am

re: #499 Varek Raith

I'm also learning a bit of Japanese.
I'm cool like that.
/

I know a little Japanese. I married her.
/rimshot

504 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:08:49am

re: #500 Kragar

3 years of French, straight Cs, can't speak a word
2 years of Latin, Straight As, can still get by.

Latin rocks.

Lingua Latina - non penis canina. /

505 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:09:37am

Also, C, a bit of C#, Java and HTML.
I iz the debil!

506 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:10:41am

re: #505 Varek Raith

Also, C, a bit of C#, Java and HTML.
I iz the debil!

COBOL is Satan's language.

507 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:10:46am

re: #501 Varek Raith

German is awesome for your everyday rant.
:P

Ja, my brother is taking it this fall for his first year of middle school. Hopefully he does better than I did with foreign languages. I think he will since unlike me he had Spanish as early as grade school.

508 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:11:05am

re: #503 Kragar

I know a little Japanese. I married her.
/rimshot

I hope to learn enough to embarrass my friend.
XD

509 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:11:19am

I tried Russian for a couple weeks so I was a Marxist for a couple weeks in bizarro world.

510 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:11:27am

re: #501 Varek Raith

German is awesome for your everyday rant.
:P

Yiddish is even better for that.

511 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:11:47am

re: #506 Learned Mother of Zion

COBOL is Satan's language.

It scared me.

512 Gus  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:13:54am
514 Varek Raith  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:16:31am
515 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 23, 2012 11:17:53am

Slippage.


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