Video: Joan Walsh and David Corn on the Birther Rebirth
“I didn’t think it was possible to get lower than Andrew Breitbart”
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darthstar Fri, May 25, 2012 4:53:24pm |
I heard Joan Walsh in my car...laughed out loud at that line...and "Breitbart spawn"...what a perfect description of your stalker, Miss Loesch.
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 4:54:27pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, May 25, 2012 4:59:14pm |
re: #2 Kragar
Fehrnstrom: We ‘Can’t Be Responsible’ For Donald Trump’s Birtherism
Yah, but AYERS!!! Iokifar
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Lidane Fri, May 25, 2012 5:00:14pm |
Let's face facts here -- this is the new default in the Republican party. This is not a fringe movement. It's the standard. Just look in Texas. Look at the Arizona birthers trying to get the POTUS taken off the ballot. Look at the Iowa GOP platform.
The real Republican fringe now are the non-birther, non-wingnut, non-batshit types. What we're seeing with Trump's resurgence is Romney's camp looking at the GOP as it is and playing along accordingly because they want to win. Winning means appealing to the birthers.
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PhillyPretzel Fri, May 25, 2012 5:01:31pm |
re: #6 Lidane
The GOP has gone to heck in a hand basket. What a mess.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:04:50pm |
Well, the National GOP Platform should be interesting. Can't wait to tear it apart.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 5:05:12pm |
94L, the system that may become Beryl, has winds of 45mph, and a pressure of 1001 mbar.
If it gets classified, it will completely skip Tropical Depression.
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Lidane Fri, May 25, 2012 5:05:57pm |
re: #8 ggt
Well, the National GOP Platform should be interesting. Can't wait to tear it apart.
I'm going to laugh my ass off if the national GOP platform goes birther. That would be a hoot.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:06:00pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, May 25, 2012 5:07:14pm |
Ok, what was the right wing freakout I missed today? About some guy who was convicted with the help of hypnotized witnesses? Ties to Obama? WTF? And hey Kilgore.
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wrenchwench Fri, May 25, 2012 5:07:46pm |
This is the first entry tagged: Bottom Feeders
That's what's hard to believe.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:08:56pm |
The Whackos seem to be addicted to creating Obama Drama. They have to because there really isn't any coming from the WH. Just a regular guy with a family . . . .boring.
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jaunte Fri, May 25, 2012 5:09:34pm |
"Anti-colonial mindset"
What a motley collection of liars and bozos.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 5:10:24pm |
re: #15 jaunte
What the Hell do those bozos think we formed from?
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 5:10:53pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:11:22pm |
re: #16 ProGunLiberal
What the Hell do those bozos think we formed from?
clay
Well, I was formed from Adam's rib.
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jaunte Fri, May 25, 2012 5:11:35pm |
re: #16 ProGunLiberal
"How dare anyone be opposed to our British allies. Oh wait."
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 5:12:18pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:15:36pm |
re: #21 Kragar
I sprang fully formed from the skull of Crom.
with a sword and shield in your little hands?
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simoom Fri, May 25, 2012 5:15:38pm |
re: #1 darthstar
Yeah, I liked how she called out the mini-Breitbart's "we're not Birthers ourselves but" disclaimer as total transparent BS.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, May 25, 2012 5:15:48pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, May 25, 2012 5:17:36pm |
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 5:20:09pm |
re: #23 ggt
with a sword and shield in your little hands?
I said fully formed, none of that baby stuff!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:20:18pm |
re: #27 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Never said this before in all my blog life, but TLDR, and ugh
This is basically all that is needed. The rest is page filler saying the same thing in so many ways a lawyer would not need to take a deposition.
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and God was the word. This was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing, which was made.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, May 25, 2012 5:22:53pm |
re: #29 ggt
This is basically all that is needed. The rest is page filler saying the same thing in so many ways a lawyer would not need to take a deposition.
Bleah. :). Happily bleah!
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 5:24:24pm |
re: #27 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Never said this before in all my blog life, but TLDR, and ugh
In the beginning, there was nothing.
Then God said "Let there be LIGHT!"
There was still nothing, but now you could see it.
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jaunte Fri, May 25, 2012 5:24:33pm |
I wish the Birthers would just grow a set and admit that their rhetoric against Obama is based solely on RACE.#ManUp #EdShow #p2 #tcot
— jawillie (@jawillie) May 26, 2012
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Lidane Fri, May 25, 2012 5:24:40pm |
re: #15 jaunte
"Anti-colonial mindset"
So basically, he's an American patriot. After all, we kicked out the colonial British. Oh, wait. They mean "anti-colonial" in the sense of being an ungrateful black man because European colonization in Africa worked like a charm. No problems there at all. No sir.
God, what a bunch of morons.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:24:57pm |
re: #30 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Bleah. :). Happily bleah!
Yeah, it's actually very beautiful in latin. It's the basis of the Silmarillion. Tolkien's version is very beautiful in the audio book. Of all the creation stories I've heard and read, I like his best.
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 5:25:16pm |
re: #29 ggt
This is basically all that is needed. The rest is page filler saying the same thing in so many ways a lawyer would not need to take a deposition.
Crom laughs at your silly word god.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 5:27:59pm |
This just came from NOAA or the Weather Service the Navy has:
25/2345 UTC 32.1N 75.2W ST2.5 94L
The ST2.5 means that the system is classified, as Sub-Tropical, with a Dvorak rating of 2.5, which is approximately a pressure of 1005 mbars, and winds of 40 mph.
Another statement from another portion of the government has it a tick stronger:
AL, 94, 2012052600, , BEST, 0, 323N, 749W, 40, 1001, LO, 34, NEQ, 80, 120, 0, 0, 1012, 130, 70, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST, M,
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, May 25, 2012 5:29:33pm |
Romney cannot repudiate the birthers because he would be repudiating his own strategy in the process. All along he has tried to pander to the nutty GOP base just enough to get them to the polls, but not enough to alienate any sane or partially sane voters who might still vote for him. He has to have that crazy base, but he can't win with them alone. It's quite a balancing act, often forcing him to be in two positions at once. He is not a weasel because he is weak or incompetent. He is a weasel because that is how he intends to get elected.
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darthstar Fri, May 25, 2012 5:30:27pm |
Romney should be careful...hanging out with Trump can give you a bad case of hairpiece.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:30:36pm |
re: #32 jaunte
[Embedded content]
Seeing as in some states, at the time, his birth would have been illegal and his parents marriage also illegal . . .
Whackos seem to want his birth certificate really to be from Alabama or somewhere so they can say he is an illegitimate child. Which doesn't make him ineligible for the POTUS either.
stupid does as stupid is. . . .
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wrenchwench Fri, May 25, 2012 5:30:44pm |
re: #37 Shiplord Kirel
Wait, I thought Trump's hair was the weasel.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:31:04pm |
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nines09 Fri, May 25, 2012 5:31:34pm |
re: #2 Kragar
Fehrnstrom: We ‘Can’t Be Responsible’ For Donald Trump’s Birtherism
"So what if he's a conniving, womanizing, Alien Hat wearing bat shit crazy egomaniac? It's all we got."
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 5:34:02pm |
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Eventual Carrion Fri, May 25, 2012 5:35:28pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:36:01pm |
re: #34 ggt
Yeah, it's actually very beautiful in latin. It's the basis of the Silmarillion. Tolkien's version is very beautiful in the audio book. Of all the creation stories I've heard and read, I like his best.
IN Tolkeins, it is the "Music" not the word. Which makes me wonder if there is any scientific theories about sound waves and the origin of the universe.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, May 25, 2012 5:36:02pm |
re: #33 Lidane
So basically, he's an American patriot. After all, we kicked out the colonial British. Oh, wait. They mean "anti-colonial" in the sense of being an ungrateful black man because European colonization in Africa worked like a charm. No problems there at all. No sir.
God, what a bunch of morons.
Maroons. Let's go back to 2008, they are!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:38:10pm |
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 5:39:33pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:43:56pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, May 25, 2012 5:48:45pm |
re: #12 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012
Ok, what was the right wing freakout I missed today? About some guy who was convicted with the help of hypnotized witnesses? Ties to Obama? WTF? And hey Kilgore.
Yeah some guy convicted of a series of bombings in the 80's has become a progressive activist. He's making threats against wingnut bloggers.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 5:49:41pm |
Beryl will be here in the next 12-24 hours.
The Navy has issued a Tropical Cyclone Formation Warning, and the NHC is saying this:
SATELLITE PICTURES AND REPORTS FROM NOAA BUOY 41002 INDICATE THAT THE LOW PRESSURE AREA...CENTERED ABOUT 300 MILES EAST OF CHARLESTON SOUTH CAROLINA...IS BECOMING BETTER DEFINED AND HAS DEVELOPED THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY NEAR THE CENTER. IF CURRENT TRENDS CONTINUE...ADVISORIES COULD BE INITIATED LATER TONIGHT. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...NEAR 100 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. LITTLE MOTION IS EXPECTED TONIGHT...BUT A WEST-SOUTHWESTWARD OR SOUTHWESTWARD MOTION SHOULD BEGIN TOMORROW AND CONTINUE THROUGH SUNDAY. COASTAL INTERESTS FROM THE CAROLINAS SOUTHWARD THROUGH NORTHEASTERN FLORIDA
SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM OVER THE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. IN ADDITION...LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL AND FLOODING WILL CONTINUE THROUGH AT LEAST TONIGHT OVER PORTIONS OF CENTRAL CUBA AND THE CENTRAL BAHAMAS. FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS SYSTEM...PLEASE SEE HIGH SEAS FORECASTS ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE...AND PRODUCTS FROM YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.
I don't know why NOAA still does the All-Caps thing. It's hard to read.
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Interesting Times Fri, May 25, 2012 5:53:08pm |
RT @colonialdude: Weed-Killing Lasers Being Developed zite.to/LwfiBY // I can't wait til I can garden with frickin laser beams.— truthdogg (@truthdogg) May 26, 2012
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, May 25, 2012 5:54:22pm |
I'm off for Pizza!
Have a great evening all!
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 5:54:50pm |
re: #55 ProGunLiberal
Now the question is:
Will the NHC put soon-to-be Beryl has a Tropical or Sub-Tropical Storm.
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darthstar Fri, May 25, 2012 5:57:47pm |
Chyron on CNN right now: "MORMONS GONE MILD"— McKay Coppins (@mckaycoppins) May 25, 2012
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PhillyPretzel Fri, May 25, 2012 5:58:10pm |
re: #58 ProGunLiberal
That depends on pressure of the system and speed of winds. Are you following the Nat'l Weather Service or Weather Underground?
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 5:59:29pm |
re: #60 PhillyPretzel
Both. I am watching Weather Underground, and the commenters post the stuff from the NWS in the comments of Jeff Master's blog.
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PhillyPretzel Fri, May 25, 2012 6:00:36pm |
re: #61 ProGunLiberal
This is from the Nat'l Hurricane Center. [Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 6:03:35pm |
re: #62 PhillyPretzel
You'll notice it says 100%.
The last time 2 Pre-Season Storms occurred was in 1908. 104 Years ago.
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Digital Display Fri, May 25, 2012 6:12:13pm |
re: #62 PhillyPretzel
This is from the Nat'l Hurricane Center. [Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
Hi You! Hope you are well..Back in the day when I was a nuke at Mare Island they would refurb noaa deep sea Buoys at some dock there, They are pretty dang big.
When your boss wanted to punish you he would send you off for a couple of weeks to clean and refurb them..
There is nothing worse than scrubbing the inside of a ballast tank on a hot California day. A beautiful combination of all the worst decay of the Sea for a year..Disgusting
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PhillyPretzel Fri, May 25, 2012 6:14:39pm |
re: #65 HoosierHoops
I am okay. I am going hopefully this weekend look and purchase an A/C unit for my home office. It is very warm in there now so I moved my computer and the equipment to the front room where the A/C works.
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Digital Display Fri, May 25, 2012 6:22:29pm |
re: #66 PhillyPretzel
I am okay. I am going hopefully this weekend look and purchase an A/C unit for my home office. It is very warm in there now so I moved my computer and the equipment to the front room where the A/C works.
good weekend for sales. Wishing you the best...I was at the lakehouse last week.. There is so much to do..Plumbing work..I hired an appraiser because I can't title the place from my folks estate without paying the Man his taxes. Winston is spending time in California with Aunt Peggie for his summer vacation and I spent the day at the Indy track today..I'm just a tad buzzed and it's race weekend.
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prairiefire Fri, May 25, 2012 6:22:43pm |
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...] Don't forget to enjoy the weekend!
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 6:25:06pm |
re: #63 ProGunLiberal
This is a surprise in the same way as a cat pooping in your shoe.
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researchok Fri, May 25, 2012 6:41:28pm |
I miss the noise, so to speak.
Lately, I'm beginning to think I'm posting too many links
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researchok Fri, May 25, 2012 6:44:10pm |
Seems at times there are a lot fewer links posted than there used to be
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Obdicut Fri, May 25, 2012 6:44:46pm |
re: #75 researchok
I miss the noise, so to speak.
Lately, I'm beginning to think I'm posting too many links
Maybe post fewer links, but instead of just being links to your blog, or links to your blog with an excerpt from the piece, or an excerpt from the piece, include some commentary of your own.
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researchok Fri, May 25, 2012 6:47:11pm |
re: #77 Obdicut
The vast, vast majority of links I post are to outside sources.
As for adding commentary to my blog posts, my readers reminded me, as one put it, 'We don't need running commentary'.
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abolitionist Fri, May 25, 2012 6:48:54pm |
re: #55 ProGunLiberal
[snip]
I don't know why NOAA still does the All-Caps thing. It's hard to read.
Early versions of teletypes didn't support lower case. ASCII (which does) came about in the 1960s --just about when integrated circuits were becoming popular. But ICs and transistors can be zapped by EMPs. Some pre-ASCII equipment is more robust in that regard, and in emergency situations, robust can be a win, even if slow and uppercase-only. Hope that helps.
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Interesting Times Fri, May 25, 2012 6:49:47pm |
Scott Walker: "Repealing #Wisconsin's Equal Pay Law Was a Great Way to Show I Don't Just Hate Unions, But Women Too" #WIDebate— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) May 26, 2012
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Obdicut Fri, May 25, 2012 6:50:46pm |
re: #78 researchok
The vast, vast majority of links I post are to outside sources.
As for adding commentary to my blog posts, my readers reminded me, as one put it, 'We don't need running commentary'.
That's kind of what posting links is, though, an invitation to comment, right? Why not kick it off yourself and offer your opinion?
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 6:53:28pm |
Tomorrow morning, when Beryl is on the Morning News, 6 words will be uttered by millions of Americans:
WTF is this shit?
This is so off the wall bizarre that we already got 2 systems before the official start of the season.
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researchok Fri, May 25, 2012 6:54:30pm |
re: #81 Obdicut
Mostly because I am of the firm belief people need to assimilate information for themselves.
One of my big beefs nowadays is how information has to be spoon fed, colored, sweetened and cut into bite size pieces.
I figure the politicians do enough of that.
I truly believe people are smarter than they are given credit. They can, will and want to think for themselves.
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researchok Fri, May 25, 2012 6:57:11pm |
It is interesting to note after decades of information manipulation, the Arab Spring unleashed what was long buried- individualism and individuals thinking for themselves,
We saw that in Russia and Eastern Europe as well, after 1989.
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Obdicut Fri, May 25, 2012 6:57:25pm |
re: #83 researchok
But, dude, you're just a guy here posting links. Presumably, you want people to comment on them. So why not join in? It's not about being spoon fed.
People don't communicate just by listing facts to each other. I'd say if you want more attention and comments on your posts, post less often, and offer some thought along with the link. Otherwise, there's plenty of news aggregation sites out there.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 6:58:30pm |
re: #41 ggt
Blago's too!
Actually, it turns out that Blago's hair was real, according to his barber. But it was dyed, so by midsummer his hair will be grey.
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researchok Fri, May 25, 2012 6:58:57pm |
re: #85 Obdicut
If others leave a comment, I will often respond to that.
I'm more interested in what others say before I opine.
And as for leaving comments on links, I do that pretty often.
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Obdicut Fri, May 25, 2012 6:59:50pm |
re: #87 researchok
People will be more likely to comment if you comment first. If you're okay with the way things are now, don't change what you're doing. If you're not, do change.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 7:00:21pm |
re: #82 ProGunLiberal
This just came out of NOAA:
invest_RENUMBER_al942012_al022012.ren
It means that invest number 94L has been reclassified as Tropical Cyclone 02L. With the Windspeeds it has, it will be Tropical Storm Beryl when the advisory comes out at 11pm EST.
The first time we have had 2 Pre-Season Tropical Storms since 1908 Hurricane Season.
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Interesting Times Fri, May 25, 2012 7:00:58pm |
Based on Scott Walker's new jobs numbers, one Koch = 1,000,000 Wisconsites.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) May 26, 2012
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austin_blue Fri, May 25, 2012 7:01:04pm |
Evening all. I see that Beryl is quite prominent in our updated version of Time Considered as a Helix of Semiprecious Stones.
Hope everyone is enjoying a beverage of their choice at the beginning of this three-day weekend. Drink up!
Oh, and Birthers are shit-stirrers, idiots, or shit-stirring idiots.
And Mittens is appearing with Trump?
Pathetic.
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researchok Fri, May 25, 2012 7:01:14pm |
re: #85 Obdicut
I'd also say that my AM links at least, are not derived from any aggregation sources.
I really do look for articles my readers like.
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Obdicut Fri, May 25, 2012 7:02:23pm |
re: #92 researchok
I thought you were looking for advice on your link-posting style. Apparently not. Never mind.
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researchok Fri, May 25, 2012 7:02:59pm |
re: #88 Obdicut
I'm OK with it.
People who are interested in the subject matter will read the source material.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 7:03:24pm |
re: #91 austin_blue
You being a wise-ass is endearing.
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researchok Fri, May 25, 2012 7:03:34pm |
re: #93 Obdicut
No, I was mostly curious as to why there are fewer links posted.
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austin_blue Fri, May 25, 2012 7:04:21pm |
re: #83 researchok
Mostly because I am of the firm belief people need to assimilate information for themselves.
One of my big beefs nowadays is how information has to be spoon fed, colored, sweetened and cut into bite size pieces.
I figure the politicians do enough of that.
I truly believe people are smarter than they are given credit. They can, will and want to think for themselves.
I don't mean to state the obvious, but an IQ of 100 is average. Half of the population is below average, and they vote. They are very happy being spoon fed. Beats thinking...
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Obdicut Fri, May 25, 2012 7:04:22pm |
re: #96 researchok
I don't think quantity really matters. Quality is a lot more important.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:05:11pm |
An interesting story from Tampa, Florida that caught my eye today:
After guard dies, accused shoplifter charged with murder
TAMPA (FOX 13) -
It could have been a simple shoplifting charge, but a man accused of stealing goods from a Target may face serious time in prison.
That's because the security guard who chased and tackled him collapsed and died of a heart attack.
Now the accused shoplifter faces a third-degree felony murder charge, and a minimum of 10 years in prison.
It all unfolded at the Target store on West Hillsborough Avenue on May 27, 2011.
Security cameras zeroed in on Mervin Bettis almost immediately. You see him looking around; then he reaches for the shelves.
Hillsborough detectives say he's shoplifting more than $1,100 worth of merchandise. Moments later, the video shows him walking right past the checkout lines and out the door.
He doesn't get far. First, a loss prevention officer grabs him; then, the store's security guard rushes up.
All three fall to the ground in the struggle. This is where it might have ended: a simple shoplifting bust. But just seven minutes later, the security guard you see in the video collapses from a heart attack and dies, turning this into a case of third degree murder.
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ozbloke Fri, May 25, 2012 7:05:46pm |
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austin_blue Fri, May 25, 2012 7:06:10pm |
re: #95 ProGunLiberal
You being a wise-ass is endearing.
Hey! I'm here all week! Try the veal and tip your bartender.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 25, 2012 7:06:13pm |
re: #67 HoosierHoops
Have a REALLY REALLY good time!
*waves*
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Mocking Jay Fri, May 25, 2012 7:06:37pm |
re: #100 Dark_Falcon
An interesting story from Tampa, Florida that caught my eye today:
Last I checked, retail security guards weren't supposed to do that.
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Romantic Heretic Fri, May 25, 2012 7:08:08pm |
re: #37 Shiplord Kirel
Romney cannot repudiate the birthers because he would be repudiating his own strategy in the process. All along he has tried to pander to the nutty GOP base just enough to get them to the polls, but not enough to alienate any sane or partially sane voters who might still vote for him. He has to have that crazy base, but he can't win with them alone. It's quite a balancing act, often forcing him to be in two positions at once. He is not a weasel because he is weak or incompetent. He is a weasel because that is how he intends to get elected.
That's like jumping in a cesspool and then going to someone's door to sell them encyclopaedias.
Not opening the door is the best he can hope for.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:10:37pm |
re: #105 It's a cookbook!
Last I checked, retail security guards weren't supposed to do that.
It depends on the state and the store. In this case, they had seen Bettis take over $1000 worth of merchandise, and so what the guards were allowed to do was expanded. It should not have extended to lethal force, though ('should' used instead of 'would'. Obdicut will tell you why I chose words as I did.)
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 7:10:59pm |
Beryl's first advisory should have her at 45mph with a pressure 1001mb.
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Mocking Jay Fri, May 25, 2012 7:13:14pm |
re: #107 Dark_Falcon
It depends on the state and the store. In this case, they had seen Bettis take over $1000 worth of merchandise, and so what the guards were allowed to do was expanded. It should not have extended to lethal force, though ('should' used instead of 'would'. Obdicut will tell you why I chose words as I did.)
Maybe. But a murder charge sounds absurd to me. I think those little pizzas that Target sells are more to blame.
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Digital Display Fri, May 25, 2012 7:13:15pm |
re: #104 Dancing along the light of day
Have a REALLY REALLY good time!
*waves*
Hi You! I'm having a good time. How are you? Can't wait till race day..But I miss Winston also..He is on summer break from the Hoopster.
*waves*
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abolitionist Fri, May 25, 2012 7:14:07pm |
re: #100 Dark_Falcon
An interesting story from Tampa, Florida that caught my eye today:
I'd agree that manslaughter would be an appropriate charge. Doesn't murder require malicious intent? [edit2:] Or reckless endangerment? (Thinking manslaughter.)
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:14:42pm |
re: #105 It's a cookbook!
Last I checked, retail security guards weren't supposed to do that.
I also need to point out that what the guard was supposed to do makes no difference. Bettis committed a crime by shoplifting and the guard died because of it. In Florida, that is Felony Murder in the 3rd Degree.
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Mocking Jay Fri, May 25, 2012 7:19:53pm |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
I also need to point out that what the guard was supposed to do makes no difference. Bettis committed a crime by shoplifting and the guard died because of it. In Florida, that is Felony Murder in the 3rd Degree.
But but... the guard was trying to tackle him and Bettis was standing his ground!
Seriously though, why does that state even bother having police anymore?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:21:27pm |
re: #109 It's a cookbook!
Maybe. But a murder charge sounds absurd to me. I think those little pizzas that Target sells are more to blame.
re: #111 abolitionist
I'd agree that manslaughter would be an appropriate charge. Doesn't murder require malicious intent?
Felony murder is any death that occurs during the commission of a felony. It can go as high as Murder in the 1st, but in this case the charge is Murder in the 3rd because Bettis did not have a weapon or use violence on anyone. But the guard is still dead, and if the state can prove that Bettis' felonious actions caused Russell Horner's death, then that proves Felony Murder. Making matters even worse for Bettis is that Horner was a retired FBI agent, which is prompting the DA to make the minimum sentence 15 years instead of 10.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:22:53pm |
re: #113 It's a cookbook!
But but... the guard was trying to tackle him and Bettis was standing his ground!
Seriously though, why does that state even bother having police anymore?
No, sir! SYG is voided in this case by Bettis's having been in the commission of a felony. Florida law is clear on that point.
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austin_blue Fri, May 25, 2012 7:23:45pm |
re: #109 It's a cookbook!
Maybe. But a murder charge sounds absurd to me. I think those little pizzas that Target sells are more to blame.
Agreed. Murder implies some form of intent. If the perp had bashed him in the head, intent. But a perp cannot be responsible for heart disease. DA overreach.
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Mocking Jay Fri, May 25, 2012 7:24:32pm |
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
No, sir! SYG is voided in this case by Bettis's having been in the commission of a felony. Florida law is clear on that point.
Oh Jesus you really do lack the ability to recognize jokes...
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austin_blue Fri, May 25, 2012 7:26:42pm |
re: #117 It's a cookbook!
Oh Jesus you really do lack the ability to recognize jokes...
Got you there, DF.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:27:23pm |
re: #117 It's a cookbook!
Oh Jesus you really do lack the ability to recognize jokes...
The problem is that some people reading that will be dumb enough to believe the law would allow such a defense. When it comes to law, clarity is of extreme importance for me.
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Mocking Jay Fri, May 25, 2012 7:28:50pm |
re: #120 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that some people reading that will be dumb enough to believe the law would allow such a defense. When it comes to law, clarity is of extreme importance for me.
The Onion must be the bane of your existence.
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austin_blue Fri, May 25, 2012 7:32:11pm |
re: #119 Be Zorch, Daddio
Anyone checking out the WI debates?
At this point, I would rather drive 8" knitting needles into my eyes. Teh crazy is just too much this year. Wake me when it's the end of August.
In the meantime, I suggest we reflect on our war dead this weekend and note that the dead and the maimed are owed whatever this country can give them and their families.
Let's start with fervent thanks and gratitude for their sacrifices.
My dad's in Arlington, so I've got skin in the game.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:33:04pm |
Bonkers Australians bait a Great White:
[Link: landing.newsinc.com...]
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austin_blue Fri, May 25, 2012 7:33:46pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:33:59pm |
re: #121 It's a cookbook!
The Onion must be the bane of your existence.
The Onion doesn't bother me at all.
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 7:35:24pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:36:53pm |
re: #127 Kragar
Once bitten, twice shy.
That thing only has to bite you once; You won't be shy, you'll just be dead.
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 7:37:05pm |
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 7:38:08pm |
re: #128 Dark_Falcon
That thing only has to bite you once; You won't be shy, you'll just be dead.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:38:58pm |
re: #129 Kragar
OK, you chop the veggies then.
Sure. Let me go get my Chef's Knife first, though. It's got a better handle and better steel than yours. :P
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:39:36pm |
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Digital Display Fri, May 25, 2012 7:41:11pm |
re: #126 Dark_Falcon
The Onion doesn't bother me at all.
Hi D_F! what up? Here for Indy 500...
You know..This is another contraversial Florida Legal Story.. It's beaten the Onion in Ironic points by thousands..
I think it all started with Bush vs. Gore..An entire State that plays Bingo can't punch a Ballot.. Then we moved onto to Casey Anthony...And in my best Al Pacino voice..It just keeps getting fucking funnier every fucking day!
/
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 7:42:07pm |
re: #131 Dark_Falcon
Sure. Let me go get my Chef's Knife first, though. It's got a better handle and better steel than yours. :P
I prefer carving knives, and I've got to watch onions, too much and I start sweating them out. Stinky.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:43:37pm |
re: #134 Kragar
I prefer carving knives, and I've got to watch onions, too much and I start sweating them out. Stinky.
Carving knives are fine in their role, but that role is not cutting up an onion. A good chef's knife is much better for that role.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 7:48:39pm |
re: #133 HoosierHoops
Florida's nickname should be "The Special Snowflake State."
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 7:50:00pm |
re: #135 Dark_Falcon
Carving knives are fine in their role, but that role is not cutting up an onion. A good chef's knife is much better for that role.
Separation of duties. Wife takes care of routine chopping, I do carving of roasts and poultry.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 7:51:09pm |
The NHC Advisory has been released. It is Sub-Tropical Storm Beryl. It may make the transition to full-Tropical overnight.
Strength in the Advisory is 45 mph, 1001 mbar.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, May 25, 2012 7:52:26pm |
re: #136 ProGunLiberal
Florida's nickname should be "The Special Snowflake State."
That would confuse too many people, as it very rarely snows there.
/Yes, I know what PLL is saying, but not everyone knows what "Special Snowflake" means.
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Digital Display Fri, May 25, 2012 7:55:19pm |
re: #136 ProGunLiberal
Florida's nickname should be "The Special Snowflake State."
Very best wishes on your Graduation from OU. Norman was a better place with you there..Best wishes for the future and much success
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compound_Idaho Fri, May 25, 2012 8:06:24pm |
re: #97 austin_blue
I don't mean to state the obvious, but an IQ of 100 is average. Half of the population is below average, and they vote. They are very happy being spoon fed. Beats thinking...
Not everyone can be above average.
1 out of every 100 Americans is a 1% er.
My favorite question on meet the press was from years ago. The journalist asked the oil exec. "Since half of the gas stations are able to charge less than the average price, why can't the other half too?"
Tried to find a clip on youtube.
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austin_blue Fri, May 25, 2012 8:35:41pm |
re: #141 compound_Idaho
Not everyone can be above average.
1 out of every 100 Americans is a 1% er.My favorite question on meet the press was from years ago. The journalist asked the oil exec. "Since half of the gas stations are able to charge less than the average price, why can't the other half too?"
Tried to find a clip on youtube.
All the children are in Lake Wobegon...
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Mich-again Fri, May 25, 2012 8:41:58pm |
The explanation the Romney campaign gave for not rejecting Trump just because he is a birther, means that Mitt will share the stage with absolutely anyone. There is no minimum standard. We'll probably see Don Black on stage with Mitt before its over.
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austin_blue Fri, May 25, 2012 8:49:37pm |
Hmmm...
The latest track for Beryl is not so much fun for Jax this weekend:
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, May 25, 2012 8:59:49pm |
re: #97 austin_blue
I don't mean to state the obvious, but an IQ of 100 is average. Half of the population is below average, and they vote. They are very happy being spoon fed. Beats thinking...
Having a below-average intelligence doesn't tell you a person likes being spoon-fed information, or isn't willing to think. It only tells you (possibly) something about the level of thinking the person is able to do. Even a below-average, normal-range human is pretty damn bright.
God knows, there are plenty of people of above-average intelligence who are intellectually bone idle.
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freetoken Fri, May 25, 2012 9:01:00pm |
On this day, in 1925:
Tennessee Teacher Is Indicted for Evolution Lessons
On May 25, 1925, a grand jury indicted John T. Scopes, a Dayton, Tenn., schoolteacher, for his classroom instruction on Darwin‘s theory of evolution, in violation of a state law that banned the teaching of “any theory that denies the story of the Divine Creation of man as taught in the Bible, and to teach instead that man has descended from a lower order of animals.”
[...]
Just to remind us from where we've come.
Sort of:
Connect to Today:
The issue of teaching evolution in public schools continues to be debated in many parts of the United States. A 2011 report found that approximately 28 percent of biology teachers consistently follow the recommendations of the National Research Council to describe the evidence for evolution, 13 percent of biology teachers explicitly advocate creationism and about 60 percent “avoid controversy by endorsing neither evolution nor its unscientific alternatives.” A co-author of the report said, “Students are being cheated out of a rich science education.”
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Mich-again Fri, May 25, 2012 9:04:35pm |
So just who is going to be the running mitt for Mate, er I mean the running mate for Mitt. Townhall is having a straw poll of the 25 potential Mittmates and not a single one of them has the last name Paul. This is an outrage!
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Mich-again Fri, May 25, 2012 9:15:51pm |
re: #148 freetoken
In the 13th century Thomas Aquinas advocated the notion that human reason and faith must be in agreement because they are part of the same truth. Some 700 years later, the logic has gone backwards.
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freetoken Fri, May 25, 2012 9:44:06pm |
Yes, this is the year 2012:
Mississippi school district agrees to not handcuff students to objects
The Jackson, Mississippi, school district has agreed to stop shackling students to fixed objects, after it was sued for handcuffing pupils to railings and poles at a school for troubled children, officials said on Friday.
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freetoken Fri, May 25, 2012 9:46:06pm |
We are in the year 2012, right?
My time machine has been having trouble lately and sometimes I'm not quite sure when I end up upon landing.
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Mich-again Fri, May 25, 2012 9:51:33pm |
re: #151 freetoken
Yes, this is the year 2012:
Mississippi school district agrees to not handcuff students to objects
I know what Mitt would say to show objection without upsetting the base..
Those aren't the bracelets I would have used.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 25, 2012 9:53:27pm |
OK, Hoopster, I just bought tickets to go hear Train in Del Mar. And it's is all your fault!
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ozbloke Fri, May 25, 2012 10:00:24pm |
re: #151 freetoken
Yes, this is the year 2012:
Mississippi school district agrees to not handcuff students to objects
Wow, what a story.
I took the handcuffs of both my teenagers so they could come back in the house and read it.
Har har, no SPLC for you!
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bratwurst Fri, May 25, 2012 10:01:48pm |
re: #151 freetoken
Yes, this is the year 2012:
Mississippi school district agrees to not handcuff students to objects
Yet another reason why leaving educational matters strictly up to the states may not be a really good idea.
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Mich-again Fri, May 25, 2012 10:03:47pm |
Oh we can only hope for this to come to juicy fruition..
Donald trumps up self as VP pick for Mitt
Reality TV titan Donald Trump is making political waves again, saying he’s ready to be hired if Mitt Romney needs him for vice president, but the GOP presumptive presidential nominee isn’t tipping his hand.
Cue the Entrance of the Gladiators music. The GOP convention is going to be a circus.
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Lidane Fri, May 25, 2012 10:08:47pm |
re: #157 Mich-again
Oh we can only hope for this to come to juicy fruition..
Donald trumps up self as VP pick for Mitt
My karma isn't good enough to earn Trump as Romney's VP. We should be so lucky.
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Lidane Fri, May 25, 2012 10:12:54pm |
This is ridiculous. WTF.
Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school
Judge Lanny Moriarty said last month Diane Tran was in his Justice of the Peace court for truancy and he warned her then to stop missing school. But she recently missed classes again so Wednesday he issued a summons and had her arrested in open court when she appeared.
Tran said she works a full-time job, a part-time job and takes advanced placement and dual credit college level courses. She said she is often too exhausted to wake up in time for school. Sometimes she misses the entire day, she said. Sometimes she arrives after attendance has been taken.
The judge ordered Tran to spend 24 hours in jail and pay a $100 fine.
Judge Moriarty admitted that he wants to make an example of Tran.“If you let one (truant student) run loose, what are you gonna’ do with the rest of ‘em? Let them go too?” Judge Moriarty asked.
She's supporting her older brother who is in college AND her younger sister who lives with relatives. Her parents divorced and abandoned the kids, each going their separate ways. She can't even live with family because of her work schedule. She lives with one of her employers.
Oh yeah. That's who you make an example of for missing school. What the hell?
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Mich-again Fri, May 25, 2012 10:13:40pm |
WSJ Puff-Piece alert! Noonan swoons over Romneybot.. Noonan: Mitt Romney's Moment
Do you wake up in a good mood, or do you have to work your way into it? "Depends on the day." He laughs. "Depends on the issue. The only time I'm unhappy is if I've done something that hurt the prospects for the success of our effort."
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Mich-again Fri, May 25, 2012 10:16:17pm |
re: #159 Lidane
Unreal. Hard not to think that the Texas judge decided to make an example of her because of her ethnicity. You aint from around here, are ya?
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 10:18:57pm |
Eh, crashed. Had to work late today because they didn't tell me I didn't I could come in at lunch until after I got there in the morning.
"Gee, thanks for calling me at home or telling me yesterday."
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Digital Display Fri, May 25, 2012 10:24:15pm |
re: #154 Dancing along the light of day
OK, Hoopster, I just bought tickets to go hear Train in Del Mar. And it's is all your fault!
That is awesome! I accept total blame for your actions as having too see train live..My lawyer has indicated we could negotiate a spanking or an LA lunch *wink*
Nice to see you
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Lidane Fri, May 25, 2012 10:24:23pm |
re: #161 Mich-again
Unreal. Hard not to think that the Texas judge decided to make an example of her because of her ethnicity. You aint from around here, are ya?
What pisses me off is why isn't that damn judge making an example of the parents? They divorced and then just up and abandoned the kids. They caused this whole mess, leaving a teenager to work two jobs and support her siblings to the point where she can't even live with her own family.
If anything, this teenage girl deserves a damn medal for stepping up and doing what her parents failed to do. And her parents are the ones who should be thrown in jail.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 25, 2012 10:26:03pm |
re: #163 HoosierHoops
You crack me up. Lets have our attorneys do lunch!
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Mich-again Fri, May 25, 2012 10:28:09pm |
re: #164 Lidane
And the judge (elected as a Republican) has a history of paying fines for campaign finance improprieties, and actually claimed that he was not aware of the law in his explanation.
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Mich-again Fri, May 25, 2012 10:29:54pm |
In the respondent’s affidavit, he swears that he did not know that he could not accept a contribution from a funeral home and that he has returned the contributions
You gotta love a judge that swears he didn't know the law.
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Digital Display Fri, May 25, 2012 10:32:11pm |
re: #165 Dancing along the light of day
You crack me up. Lets have our attorneys do lunch!
LOL You know..We'll get over billed as usual..And knowing our Attorneys they'll order the fricking lobster and top shelf booze.
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freetoken Fri, May 25, 2012 10:32:56pm |
re: #166 Mich-again
Here's his contact info:
[Link: www.mctx.org...]
He's wearing a US flag motif tie... how patriotic of him.
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Mich-again Fri, May 25, 2012 10:34:52pm |
re: #169 freetoken
I wonder how many home schoolers he has jailed for skipping class at the kitchen table with mama.
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Lidane Fri, May 25, 2012 10:38:20pm |
The outrage over this story has been pretty swift:
People across the country offer help to honor student jailed for truancy
Apparently, her part-time employer is looking to set up a fund for her at a local bank, and people are demanding that the charges and everything against her be dropped.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 10:44:08pm |
re: #171 Lidane
Very good. If I had a job right now, donation would be going.
Right now, I want to right a nastigram to the asshole judge.
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, May 25, 2012 10:47:58pm |
re: #171 Lidane
The outrage over this story has been pretty swift:
People across the country offer help to honor student jailed for truancy
Apparently, her part-time employer is looking to set up a fund for her at a local bank, and people are demanding that the charges and everything against her be dropped.
The judge is a real peach; get this quip of his after the backlash started coming down on him like a ton of bricks:
Judge Moriarty is off on Fridays so he has not made a decision as to whether he will throw the case out.
"I hadn’t thought on that issue because it turns me, ‘Well, he’s soft. He’s not gonna do nothing.’ I’m taking off at 11:30 today," said the judge.
He left early yesterday, was off today, and the courts (like all federal, state, and local offices) will be closed Monday for Memorial Day; if I didn't know better, I'd say that he's trying to ride this out through Tuesday without doing responding to the public pressure, hoping that people will forget about it next week and beyond.
Let's hope people don't, because I'm fighting the urge to send this shithead a profanity-laced missive and am trying to compose a more discreet message to send him and his superiors.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 10:51:20pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, May 25, 2012 10:59:35pm |
re: #175 ProGunLiberal
And the judge's name is apparently Moriarty.
That's always a bad sign.
Colin Moriarty at your service.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, May 25, 2012 11:00:56pm |
re: #176 Varek Raith
Yeah, thanks for the other example of my point.
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Varek Raith Fri, May 25, 2012 11:05:27pm |
re: #177 ProGunLiberal
Yeah, thanks for the other example of my point.
He never saw it coming.
BOOOOOM
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Mocking Jay Fri, May 25, 2012 11:09:45pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, May 25, 2012 11:10:37pm |
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 11:13:29pm |
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Lidane Fri, May 25, 2012 11:27:23pm |
re: #174 Gitarzan
He left early yesterday, was off today, and the courts (like all federal, state, and local offices) will be closed Monday for Memorial Day; if I didn't know better, I'd say that he's trying to ride this out through Tuesday without doing responding to the public pressure, hoping that people will forget about it next week and beyond.
That's exactly what he wants. He's clearly versed in the GOP playbook -- do/say something outrageous or stupid, act defiant at first, then hide for a few days and offer a half-assed "I'm sorry you were offended" non-apology.
What he's done to this girl is ridiculous. She should be commended for her work, not thrown in jail because, god forbid, she gets tired from working so damn hard all the time.
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Kragar Fri, May 25, 2012 11:30:47pm |
re: #182 Lidane
That's exactly what he wants. He's clearly versed in the GOP playbook -- do/say something outrageous or stupid, act defiant at first, then hide for a few days and offer a half-assed "I'm sorry you were offended" non-apology.
What he's done to this girl is ridiculous. She should be commended for her work, not thrown in jail because, god forbid, she gets tired from working so damn hard all the time.
Know what she needs?
School vouchers.
/
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Lidane Fri, May 25, 2012 11:33:16pm |
re: #183 Kragar
Know what she needs?
School vouchers.
/
Bootstraps! She needs bootstraps!
Oh, wait. She's already got a set of those. And a spine. And a more impressive work ethic than most adults I know.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 12:30:52am |
re: #159 Lidane
“If you let one (truant student) run loose, what are you gonna’ do with the rest of ‘em? Let them go too?” Judge Moriarty asked.
That's what a judge is for, to balance all the factors, idiot!
On the other hand he has law degree and stuff, so he's probably right.//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 12:37:32am |
re: #169 freetoken
Here's his contact info:
[Link: www.mctx.org...]
He's wearing a US flag motif tie... how patriotic of him.
There's probably an evopsych article there somewhere on the political plumage as an evolutionary adaptation./
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freetoken Sat, May 26, 2012 12:39:43am |
I sorry to see that there is not only one but four up-dings for the latest Aigle-bot posting of CAMERA propaganda.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 12:48:16am |
re: #188 freetoken
That piece is pretty pathetic:
If any city in the world has an eternal lien on it, it's Jerusalem, and it's held by the Jews. "From Zion shall go forth Torah, and the word of God from Jerusalem." So says the Bible, still humanity's single most influential book, which mentions Jerusalem and Zion, a synonym, roughly 500 times. Rosenfeld apparently is not as familiar as a writer on Jerusalem might be with the city's historical and religious roots.
That's pure religious propaganda.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 12:51:47am |
re: #189 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
To clarify: it's absolutely fine as a personal opinion, but CAMERA is supposed to be a secular watchdog, isn't it?
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freetoken Sat, May 26, 2012 1:02:33am |
re: #190 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
At least looking at the recent postings, CAMERA appears to be just a propaganda front for a fundamentalist type of Judaism.
For example, their claim that the Jewish temple predates Islam by 2000 years. That's just a myth. As near as anyone can tell archeologically, the original Yahweh-ist temple dates from the time of Josiah, in whose time probably was invented the story of the founding of "Israel" as we see it in the OT. Now that obviously predates Islam, but for CAMERA to cling to a literalistic interpretation of the Torah pretty clearly shows their own biases.
And, btw, the photographer on that piece was interviewed, in which she recounts this occurrence on her recent trip there:
KR: Was it difficult to gain access to certain religious sites and neighborhoods? Did you have to dress differently when you went out to shoot?
AA: Yes, it was more difficult this time than ever before, at two key places in particular.
At the Dome of the Rock in the Muslim Quarter of the Old City, I needed the permission of the Islamic authorities. I dressed as a Muslim woman, covering my body well and wearing a long lightweight cotton pastel scarf on my head. The Palestinians there said I was dressed in the style of a woman from Khalil and let me work for over an hour. I was very grateful because it is almost impossible to get permission these days, from either the Muslim, or Israeli authorities. This is the great holy hotspot on the planet: it is extremely sacred to all sides.
In Mea Shearim, an ultra Orthodox Jewish neighborhood, photography is harshly discouraged, so I really had to be careful and very politely persistent. I dressed extremely conservatively in a long, high-necked blouse with full-length buttoned down sleeves, a full-length black skirt with black stockings, and very sensible black shoes. But in the street I was hit on the back as I tried to take pictures in the main square, and had plastic bags put over my lens.
CAMERA doesn't like NG, and has written hit pieces against it before.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 1:05:29am |
Yes, all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic!
Not kidding. That's a real JPost article. If JPost hadn't done it long ago, I would have said it has jumped the shark now.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:18:33am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 1:18:36am |
re: #193 researchok
Хей, товарищ.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 1:19:46am |
re: #194 researchok
I saw that.
It's on opinion piece.
Yes. It's also written in English. It also resides on the internet. It also consists of black letters on white background. I could offer more observations like these.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:21:31am |
re: #188 freetoken
CAMERA is a partisan resource, no more.
I neither up nor downding. Whatever legitimate points they make are mitigated by partisan politics.
You can't play both sides of the fence.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:22:59am |
re: #195 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Show off with Russian keyboard.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 1:24:44am |
re: #198 researchok
CAMERA is a partisan resource, no more.
I neither up nor downding. Whatever legitimate points they make are mitigated by partisan politics.
You can't play both sides of the fence.
I learned a few interesting things from CAMERA. Some of their observations are worthy, despite the clear far right bias. However IMHO they shouldn't post religious agitprop or articles whitewashing Bashar Assad. It's up to them, of course.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:26:59am |
re: #196 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
So anything online labeled an opinion piece isn't?
And the J Post is and always has been an English language newspaper.
There are dueling opinions in WAPO also- is only side valid?
What is the point of free speech?
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:28:12am |
re: #200 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
On that I could't agree more- that is why I refuse to validate them, one way or another.
If they make their point fairly, so be it- but I won't give them a blanket vote of confidence.
| 203 |
researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:29:48am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 1:30:27am |
re: #201 researchok
So anything online labeled an opinion piece isn't?
Sorry?
And the J Post is and always has been an English language newspaper.
Um, yes.
I'm not sure why you're writing these sentences.
Did you miss my point? It's this: yes, it's obviously an opinion piece. I know this. No need to point it out.
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 1:31:00am |
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:33:00am |
re: #204 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Understood.
So why the criticism of the JPost?
OT, There is a Russian bakery here I just found- real Russian bread (well, as real as you can get in NC)
Like heaven, with coffee in the bread....
| 207 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 1:34:09am |
re: #206 researchok
Understood.
So why the criticism of the JPost?
I don't criticize. I point out that it's a pile of poo. This article is just a good illustration of that.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:35:32am |
If the guy likes you, offers a shot of V from behind the counter. Apparently, he has lots of friends.
Seriosly, the breads, pastry are fantastic. He has a rye that is unreal.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:37:50am |
re: #207 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
That I can live with. I thought the piece was overblown, myself.
I do not agree with his premise whatsoever. I have no issue with criticism of Israel.
Simply stated, when criticism is merited it is fair. That said, criticism of Israel in in no way implicit support of the Palestinians.
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 1:39:36am |
re: #203 researchok
Sarc tag might have been a good idea.
Godless heathen.
Ya know, I defended Pat Buchanan for about ten years on his views of Israel. I actually thought his opinions were merely an honest criticism of Israeli policy. But in the intervening 10-12 years I have belatedly discovered that he is an anti-Semite. I might be overly sensitive to antisemitism so perhaps I over react.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 1:40:17am |
re: #209 researchok
Imagine if WaPo printed something like "all criticism of the US means you're a terrorist". Simply put, newspapers with self-respect may be slanted, but they don't put out obviously crazy opinion pieces.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:41:03am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 1:42:52am |
re: #210 EdDantes
I might be overly sensitive to antisemitism so perhaps I over react.
Since there was no antisemitism on this thread, your reaction was indeed quite shrill.
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 1:42:56am |
re: #212 researchok
Agreed.
I would add Buchanan has devolved into a world class idiot, to boot.
And he found a home at MSNBC or CNN. I can't remember which.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:44:33am |
re: #211 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
OK, I see where you coming from now.
The Israel situation is somewhat unique in that her adversaries continually make Antisemitism and Jews an issue at the fore of their arguments.
Have you ever noticed how the same people who deny the Holocaust are the same people who think another is a splendid idea?
If mention of the Holocaust and antisemitism is tiring, perhaps some might not consider bringing it up all the time.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:45:06am |
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 1:46:03am |
re: #216 researchok
MSNBC.
And they kept him there for a long time.
I would put him out with the trash.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 1:49:06am |
Interestingly, since by the author's logic, all criticism of Israel is antisemitic since it doesn't help (in the sense, damages), all things that do not help are also antisemitic. Since his piece certainly does not help Israel, it's antisemitic by the author's own logic. LOL.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:53:25am |
re: #218 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Look at it this way:
Suppose China, Japan, Korea, etc., were consistently referred to as hone to sub humans- even today.
Suppose that was an article of faith for tens if not hundreds of millions of people.
It is easy for us to point out the silliness- and outrageous notion- of such ideas.
That would not preclude the sensitivities and outrage of people from those nations.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 1:57:18am |
re: #219 researchok
Not really. While many in the Arab world call Israelis subhumans and such, this piece is not aimed at the Arab world. Sorry, it's crazy and there are no excuses for it.
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simoom Sat, May 26, 2012 1:58:59am |
I don't know why GOProud bothers:
[Link: www.goproud.org...]
Meghan McCain is Wrong About Andrew Breitbart
Joint Statement of GOProud Co-Founders Christopher R. Barron and
Jimmy LaSalvia(Washington, D.C.) – Last night on the Reverend Al Sharpton Show on MSNBC, Meghan McCain referred to the late Andrew Breitbart as an “extremist” and accused him of engaging in “hate” politics, claiming he played on people’s “fears.” In response, Christopher R. Barron and Jimmy LaSalvia, co-founders of GOProud – a national organization of gay and straight Americans seeking to promote freedom by supporting free markets, limited government, and a respect for individual rights – issued the following statement:
“Meghan McCain should be absolutely ashamed of herself. She went on a liberal network with a liberal host and demonized Andrew Breitbart. During his life, Andrew Breitbart did more for gay people, and showed more political courage on behalf of gay people, than Meghan McCain could ever dream of.
“When GOProud was just getting started and under intense fire from anti-gay forces within the conservative movement, Andrew Breitbart reached out to us and took up our fight as his own. Andrew showed real courage, standing up to the intolerance of some in the conservative movement.
“We didn’t always see eye to eye with Andrew, but we could always count on him as a friend, and he never backed away from his support for this organization and for gay conservatives in general.
“Andrew Breitbart wasn’t an ‘extremist’ – he was a committed conservative. Andrew didn’t engage in ‘hate’ politics – indeed he stood up to hate. Andrew didn’t play on people’s fears – quite the contrary, Andrew inspired tens of thousands of conservatives who had been bullied by the left for years to stand up and fight like hell for what they believed in.
“Meghan McCain has made quite the career for herself picking fights with high profile conservatives and then going on liberal outlets to trash them. She picked a fight this time with a man who isn’t even alive to defend himself. As usual, however, this is a fight Meghan McCain has lost.”
Well, I guess I do get it. Meghan McCain is an easy "RINO" target you can attack to try and ingratiate yourself with the base, but doubt it's enough to be allowed back into CPAC. Oh, and I wonder if they really managed to write, "Andrew didn’t play on people’s fears," with a straight face.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 1:59:11am |
re: #220 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
I disagree.
The Arab narrative is well regarded- and often parotted in Europe, for example.
And that is not to mention the Arab world are Israel's primary adversaries.
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simoom Sat, May 26, 2012 2:00:29am |
re: #216 researchok
MSNBC.
And they kept him there for a long time.
PBS as well. I swear I just saw him on The McLaughlin Group, after a long absence, recently.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:01:16am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:01:38am |
re: #222 researchok
Mainstream Europe does not call Israelis subhumans. Sorry, the opinion piece is crazy and there are no excuses for it.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:02:12am |
re: #225 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Antisemitism in Europe is alive and well.
And I agree the piece is absurd on it's face- but I get where he is coming from.
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 2:04:34am |
re: #223 simoom
PBS as well. I swear I just saw him on The McLaughlin Group, after a long absence, recently.
God! I didn't know the McLauglin Group was still on the air.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:05:14am |
re: #221 simoom
It really seems to be a case of loyalty to me. It's not playing to the base, since the base won't ever accept GOProud. Breitbart was a member, if I remember correctly, and probably a personal friend, so they defend him. No biggie.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:06:00am |
re: #227 EdDantes
I didn't know either, but I did like the snarky old guy.
"Your'e both wrong...and here is why"
LOL
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:06:31am |
re: #226 researchok
Antisemitism in Europe is alive and well.
And I agree the piece is absurd on it's face- but I get where he is coming from.
One can always get where extremists on any side come from. It should never be a justification.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:09:44am |
re: #230 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Fair point.
The question remains however- Is Euro Islamophobia and antisemitism as extreme as we want to believe they are?
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 2:10:06am |
re: #226 researchok
Antisemitism in Europe is alive and well.
And I agree the piece is absurd on it's face- but I get where he is coming from.
Antisemitism seems to be the only historical constant from the last three thousand years. I'm an agnostic for the most part but I know Jews have been persecuted for at least that long. It seems nothing has changed, damn it!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:11:54am |
re: #232 researchok
Fair point.
The question remains however- Is Euro Islamophobia and antisemitism as extreme as we want to believe they are?
It's not really the question we were discussing, more of a distraction.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:17:29am |
re: #233 EdDantes
Antisemitism has many, many roots, not the least if which is political.
The Jews are small in number, thus present no real threat, are easily identifiable (the 'other') and have a history of pacifism.
Politicians have used Jews to divert attention away from their own misdeeds and excesses for millenia.
Insofar as many in the Arab world go, that the Jews fought back was stunning. One fellow wrote how unfair it was the same Jews who marched into the Holocaust were now a huge source of shame to the Arab world. They wanted those Holocaust Jews as adversaries.
In modern Europe today, the undercurrent iof antisemitism has it's roots in the Holocaust as well. The need an Israeli villain to assuage their own guilt.
"Maybe the Jews deserved it, after all, maybe we weren't so culpable", etc.
Only Germany has really faced their own demons.
I suspect Sergey can regale you with stories of antisemitism in Russia- even post communism.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:20:25am |
re: #233 EdDantes
But relevant nonetheless.
How Israel/Jews are perceived plays a great role in how they respond to their critics.
You are right to note this is a very complex- and charged discussion. Both Entebbe and Munich have influenced much of those perceptions.
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simoom Sat, May 26, 2012 2:20:48am |
re: #228 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Breitbart was a member, if I remember correctlly
Yup, he was on the board and stepped down over their outing of a Perry staffer. Let me see if I can find an article.
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 2:22:00am |
re: #234 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
It's not really the question we were discussing, more of a distraction.
The difference between European Islamophobia and antisemitism is that Islam is a real threat that Europe does not want to deal with. Antisemitism is an historical hangover that is historically acceptable.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:23:00am |
re: #235 researchok
I suspect Sergey can regale you with stories of antisemitism in Russia- even post communism.
There's lots of it, indeed.
But in regard to Europe the things are not even, so Europe is simply not a monolith in this regard (or others). I don't think there is a high level of mainstream antisemitism in Western Europe. Eastern/Central Europe are a different case.
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simoom Sat, May 26, 2012 2:23:19am |
re: #237 simoom
[Link: nymag.com...]
It's not all that surprising that, in the wake of Rick Perry's much-maligned anti-gay ad the other day, the gay conservative group GOProud ended up at the center of the ensuing media storm, fielding requests from reporters left and right. Except it seems that the group's director and chairman (inadvertently, they claim) created a gay-bashing brouhaha of their own by letting slip the true sexual orientation of Tony Fabrizio, a top strategist on the governor's presidential campaign. In an e-mail to the rest of the board — acquired by the Daily Caller — GOProud leaders Chris Barron and Jimmy LaSavlia defended themselves, basically by claiming that Fabrizio's in-or-out status wasn't exactly a closely held secret.
Both Jimmy and I have known Tony for years and have known that he was gay for years. Multiple media outlets contacted us after the Perry's ad debuted asking our opinion of Fabrizio’s role in the campaign given the anti-gay nature of the ad. Every news outlet that called asked our opinion of a gay man being a part of this campaign’s leadership. (Emphasis added.)
As we were responding to these inquiries it never occurred to us that he wasn’t out. We would never intentionally out anyone, but quite honestly, we didn’t think we were outing anyone. If Tony Fabrizio was closeted it was news to both of us.We aren’t in the business of prying into other people’s personal lives, however if Tony Fabrizio wanted it to be a secret that he was gay he probably should have done a better job of letting other people know it was supposed to be a secret.
At least one board member, conservative muckraker (or yellow journalist, depending on your persuasion) Andrew Breitbart, was incensed enough over the incident to resign. The Daily Caller was also given an e-mail that Breitbart sent around explaining his decision.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:23:42am |
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:26:22am |
re: #238 EdDantes
I would clarify that somewhat- it is radical Islam that poses the real threat. Radical anything poses a threat to civil society.
In democracies, the second and third generation will acclimate and integrate into a free society.
Blame technology.
In the old days, when you left the old country to escape extremism, you left.
Nowadays, the internet, email, etc., means you never really leave. The extremists can and will find you.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:28:00am |
re: #239 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
I absolutely agree with that.
In western Europe, antisemitism is almost a social/class thing nowadays. Very uneven.
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Varek Raith Sat, May 26, 2012 2:33:14am |
Good morning.
I'm right, you're all wrong.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:34:06am |
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 2:34:08am |
re: #242 researchok
I would clarify that somewhat- it is radical Islam that poses the real threat. Radical anything poses a threat to civil society.
Thanks for making that distinction. It's an important one.
Nowadays, the internet, email, etc., means you never really leave. The extremists can and will find you.
Perhaps even worse, they can find each other.
re: #244 researchok
Aha! Elvis and CL are in the building.
Heh, been here for a while, lurking, coding. Woke up at 1 AM and couldn't go back to sleep. *sigh*
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 2:34:43am |
Do y'all like my new avatar? *twirls around*
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Varek Raith Sat, May 26, 2012 2:34:52am |
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 2:35:18am |
re: #242 researchok
I am not so sure that it is only radical Islam that is the threat, but I have no firsthand experience so I cannot refute that. I hope Europe acts in their own self interest which, in turn, might help the USA.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:36:50am |
The distinction is very important.
We are talking about entire cultures and religions as a monolith. That is dangerous.
See my 232
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 2:38:07am |
re: #249 CuriousLurker
Do y'all like my new avatar? *twirls around*
It is "boss". I s that what you kids say today?
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 2:38:17am |
re: #251 EdDantes
I am not so sure that it is only radical Islam that is the threat, but I have no firsthand experience so I cannot refute that. I hope Europe acts in their own self interest which, in turn, might help the USA.
Too early for this crap. I should know better.
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simoom Sat, May 26, 2012 2:39:23am |
Wow, Berlusconi was even creepier than I thought :o
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
One of the young women who attended Silvio Berlusconi's "bunga bunga" parties told a court on Friday that she dressed up as a burlesque version of U.S. President Barack Obama to entertain the former Italian prime minister.
In testimony during a trial against the 75-year-old Berlusconi on charges of paying for sex with an underage prostitute, Marysthell Polanco said she had also dressed as prosecutor Ilda Boccassini.
Boccassini, known as "Ilda the Red" because of her hair color and what Berlusconi says is her communist political sympathies, is one of the prosecutors in the ongoing trial.
"I dressed up as Boccassini with a toga to make him laugh, and also as Obama," Polanco told the court.
Polanco, a striking 28-year-old from the Dominican Republic, said the parties were innocent fun accompanied by burlesque, but not pornographic, entertainment.
In April, Berlusconi said the parties were "elegant dinners" where there was sometimes entertainment that he called a "burlesque game".
Previous witnesses who attended his parties painted a more sordid picture, including nudity, mimicked sex, and one described two women wearing nasty versions of nuns' habits performing a raunchy pole dance.
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 2:42:13am |
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:42:42am |
re: #249 CuriousLurker
Do y'all like my new avatar? *twirls around*
That reminds me of a story about my daughter.
When she was very little she wanted 'daddy' to but her a dress for a birthdy party (read: social event of the season) my ex took charge of.
I dutifully took her to a children's cloting story and lamely asked for advice (I was- and remain- clueless about certain things). I expected to be there for hours.
As my daughter perused what appeared to be miles of drersses on racks, the saleslady suggested anything with fringes at the bottom of the dress will do.
"Little girls love to twirl", she said,
We were out of there in 20 minutes flat.
The kid was in twirling heaven for weeks. And I was the hero.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:42:43am |
re: #255 simoom
Did Berlusconi pander to the conservative religious contingent? If so, it would be quite hypocritical.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:44:08am |
re: #258 researchok
LOL.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:47:23am |
re: #260 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
I have to tell you, Sergey, there really is something about fathers and daughters.
I'm nuts about my kid.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:47:50am |
re: #249 CuriousLurker
I can't look now since by browser(s) is still broken. I've no idea if it's something with my internet channel or the computer. It seems some js files don't load in time, so I can't click on some things. Can you give the direct link to the picture?
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 2:48:23am |
re: #257 EdDantes
Huh?
You said "Islam is a real threat..." and researchok qualified that as radical Islam, then you turned around and said, "I am not so sure that it is only radical Islam that is the threat."
Not only did you broad brush 1.6 billion people, you did it admitting that you have no first-hand experience. How do you not see the problem with that?
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 2:49:28am |
re: #262 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Here you go: Image: curiouslurker8.jpg
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 2:50:20am |
re: #264 CuriousLurker
LOLOLOL
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:50:33am |
re: #262 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Bummer you can't see the avatar.
CL looks just like Isabella Rossellini.
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 2:51:11am |
re: #266 researchok
Bummer you can't see the avatar.
CL looks just like Isabella Rossellini.
I wish!
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 2:52:19am |
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freetoken Sat, May 26, 2012 2:53:02am |
Speaking of Islam, and differences therein, here's an article that caught my eye earlier today:
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 2:54:12am |
re: #268 researchok
She is without a doubt my all time favorite.
Without a doubt
She won the DNA attractiveness lotto with the parents she's got, heh.
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 2:57:35am |
re: #269 freetoken
Speaking of Islam, and differences therein, here's an article that caught my eye earlier today:
Bookmarked. Too early yet to read serious stuff. I'm sort surprised it's even an issue as much science came from Islamic scholars. Then again, that was back in the day...now there are too many fundies around.
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 2:58:02am |
re: #263 CuriousLurker
You said "Islam is a real threat..." and researchok qualified that as radical Islam, then you turned around and said, "I am not so sure that it is only radical Islam that is the threat."
Not only did you broad brush 1.6 billion people, you did it admitting that you have no first-hand experience. How do you not see the problem with that?
No problem whatsoever. Islam is a real threat in Europe. People have died opposing it.
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 2:58:19am |
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freetoken Sat, May 26, 2012 2:59:37am |
re: #272 CuriousLurker
There's discussion about the rise of creationism, and the rise of Islamic groups who try to read modern scientific discoveries back into the Koran. As well as the basic problem of more literalistic and fundamentalist religious believers being challenged by modern science.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:00:45am |
And to think that above this guy tried some (failed) sarcasm to paint freetoken as an antisemite after the latter mentioned a fundamentalist(!) variety of Judaism in a less than positive light.
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 3:01:24am |
re: #273 EdDantes
No problem whatsoever. Islam is a real threat in Europe. People have died opposing it.
There are millions of Muslims in Europe. If "Islam"—as opposed to radical Islam/Muslims—was a threat, then all of Europe wold be burning.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:01:48am |
re: #269 freetoken
Here's hoping.
Separating science from any religious texts is very, very important.
Science does not negate faith- it only heightens a believers understanding of Creation.
Asking 'Islam's Quantum Question': Can science and Islam be reconciled?
The Battle over Pakistan’s Schools: Can a small group of reformers modernize Pakistan’s schools?
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:02:39am |
re: #274 CuriousLurker
If I could only get past Isabella and her mother...
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 3:03:08am |
re: #276 freetoken
Thanks, I figured it was probably something like that.
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 3:03:20am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:05:53am |
re: #279 researchok
Harun Yahya (Adnan Oktar) is a really evil fellow. I'm not even talking about his attempts to wreck science education in Turkey and around the world. He also published Holocaust denial literature. After he understood it wasn't a good strategy, PR-wise, he published some book instrumentalizing the Holocaust (i.e., evolutionists did it!).
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 3:06:15am |
re: #278 CuriousLurker
There are millions of Muslims in Europe. If "Islam"—as opposed to radical Islam/Muslims—was a threat, then all of Europe wold be burning.
Europe will burn or it will not burn. Perhaps parts of France will burn (no, that won't happen.)
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 3:07:22am |
re: #279 researchok
Here's hoping.
Separating science from any religious texts is very, very important.
Science does not negate faith- it only heightens a believers understanding of Creation.
This.
To my knowledge it was never a problem in the past. Many of the Muslim scientists & philosophers were devout believers, but they understood that science & religion have different purposes, each had it's own place. Today, people are trying to blur the lines.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:11:19am |
re: #273 EdDantes
I believe this is a matter of semantics.
Radical Islam- and there is plenty of it in Europe- is the problem and that must be distinguished from the mainstream community..
Millions of silent majority Muslims who live in Europe are not the problem, never have been and never will be.
It is the loud mouth radicals and dysfunctional lunatics who have taken center stage. Why? Beause the rest of the Muslim community are too busy working, raising kids, and putting up with teenagers going through the psycho years to get involved with these- as you rightly note, dangerous lunatics who have killed many.
This is a case of a minority who have way over sized influence, stupid teens, dysfunctional young adults and wannabe Islamic super heroes- as in cartoons.
Then there is the issue of these dysfunctional lunatics influencing a peaceable community, but that is a whole other- and real story.
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 3:14:49am |
re: #283 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Wait. What? Now you're getting down-dinged for saying someone is evil for propagating Holocaust denial? I give up. There's no logic.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:15:44am |
re: #288 CuriousLurker
Was it Ed?
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 3:16:12am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:17:30am |
re: #290 CuriousLurker
Maybe Ed supports Holocaust denial and is just butthurt for Harun Yahya? //
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:17:44am |
re: #287 researchok
Look at it this way- dysfunctional child abusing priests, Jewish abusers and Muslim abusers are not representative of Christianity, Judaism or Islam.
Each of the above garners way more attention than is deserved.
This is not to minimize radical Islam or terror- these are plagues inflicted on the entire community in the name of whatever cause, religion, etc is the flavor du jour and these evils must be dealt with. They are real and pose a real threat. That applies to all and any religious extremists.
That said, you cannot tar an entire religion or community for the excesses of these dysfunctional and dangerous lunatics.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:17:52am |
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 3:18:50am |
re: #287 researchok
They are the problem. Those that you described. I wish that people understood who we should be en guard against. But they don't.
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 3:19:28am |
re: #291 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Spite dings are stupid.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:21:06am |
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 3:21:20am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:21:42am |
re: #296 CuriousLurker
It's not the dings, it's the people...
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:24:10am |
re: #295 EdDantes
It is necessary to be very clear who you are talking about.
Otherwise, you run the risk of being tarred and feathered because a few necessary extra worlds were not typed.
It is human nature to rely on narrow message and not the intent of the writer. Path of least resistance,as they say.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:24:55am |
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Varek Raith Sat, May 26, 2012 3:26:17am |
We'd all be so much better off if every religion had a beer volcano like mine does.
:P
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:26:57am |
re: #302 Varek Raith
We'd all be so much better off if every religion had a beer volcano like mine does.
:P
Where do I sign up?
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 3:27:36am |
re: #301 researchok
I live for that.
/But you put up with me.
Yes, much as I tried not to, I've grown rather fond of you over time. There's no accounting for tastes—go figure. // ;)
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Varek Raith Sat, May 26, 2012 3:28:12am |
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:28:34am |
re: #304 CuriousLurker
Henceforth, I shall refer to you as Isabella.
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CuriousLurker Sat, May 26, 2012 3:28:46am |
re: #299 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
It's not the dings, it's the people...
True. I think I've had enough as it just keeps getting more & more nonsensical this morning. I'm gonna go make a fresh pot of coffee and try to enjoy my Saturday. Hopefully that won't be considered a threat to Western civilization. //
Talk to you guys later.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:29:26am |
re: #304 CuriousLurker
And I'd like to add I admire your exquisite and flawless taste.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:34:07am |
Sadly, I too must leave for a while.
The Amazon Tools and Home Improvement and Sears Memorial Day Sale emails have arrived and demand my immediate perusal.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:34:57am |
Where did FT go?
I've gone through two cups of coffee with no music.
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 3:35:54am |
re: #300 researchok
It is necessary to be very clear who you are talking about.
Otherwise, you run the risk of being tarred and feathered because a few necessary extra worlds were not typed.
It is human nature to rely on narrow message and not the intent of the writer. Path of least resistance,as they say.
I do have Asperger's syndrome, which at times, makes me indecipherable. I do get what you say though and I appreciate it. I am not asking for a pass when I type something objectionable but just an opportunity to explain; which I have been given.
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freetoken Sat, May 26, 2012 3:36:35am |
re: #312 researchok
I thought that music might derail the conversation.
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Varek Raith Sat, May 26, 2012 3:37:19am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:38:27am |
re: #314 freetoken
I thought that music might derail the conversation.
Some conversations are better off derailed.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:39:26am |
re: #313 EdDantes
No apologies necessary. I know your intent isn't malicious.
Like you, I at times have trouble getting a message across. I wrongly assume people will understand what I'm trying to say.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:41:21am |
re: #314 freetoken
FT, your morning music is a part of my routine.
We may not always see eye to eye politically, but when it comes to music, you're my morning station.
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freetoken Sat, May 26, 2012 3:41:49am |
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:43:01am |
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Kragar Sat, May 26, 2012 3:44:53am |
re: #302 Varek Raith
We'd all be so much better off if every religion had a beer volcano like mine does.
:P
I'll go start my own religion... with blackjack and hookers!
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:46:27am |
re: #319 freetoken
Now I want a smoke a double of Scotch, neat...
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 3:46:44am |
'Morning. I see we've been at politics and religion again.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:48:13am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:48:33am |
re: #321 researchok
That was sooo cold...
Like winter in Yakutsk
//
I've been in Yakutsk once (in winter). It's not terrible.
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EdDantes Sat, May 26, 2012 3:48:58am |
re: #325 Decatur Deb
I've been kicked upside the head and I don't know why. Somebody better investigate soon.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 3:49:05am |
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 3:50:17am |
re: #328 EdDantes
I've been kicked upside the head and I don't know why. Somebody better investigate soon.
We always made the kids take their shoes off before they play.
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RogueOne Sat, May 26, 2012 3:52:03am |
Last night was the showing and I made it through 2 hours with my wife, my ex-wife, my girlfriend of 20 years, and an old college girlfriend without a freaking scratch! It's like I'm the teflon don!
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PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 3:52:33am |
Religion and Politics the brew of chaos.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 3:53:21am |
re: #331 RogueOne
Last night was the showing and I made it through 2 hours with my wife, my ex-wife, my girlfriend of 20 years, and an old college girlfriend without a freaking scratch! It's like I'm the teflon don!
So it wasn't an Irish wake. Sorry about your friend.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:54:27am |
re: #327 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
July is not winter.
/
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RogueOne Sat, May 26, 2012 3:54:46am |
It helped that my wife was confused when I pointed out my ex. They talked for about 30 minutes when I told my wife that I was really proud of how she was dealing with my ex. "That's your ex? I thought you pointed at the blonde!"
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 3:55:47am |
re: #336 RogueOne
It helped that my wife was confused when I pointed out my ex. They talked for about 30 minutes when I told my wife that I was really proud of how she was dealing with my ex. "That's your ex? I thought you pointed at the blonde!"
Good tactic.
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RogueOne Sat, May 26, 2012 3:55:53am |
re: #334 Decatur Deb
So it wasn't an Irish wake. Sorry about your friend.
Thanks buddy. He was a popular man. When we pulled into the church last night the lot was full. It was like easter sunday in there. I was starting to get a little concerned about speaking in front of so many people. There were at least 300 folks there last night.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:56:50am |
re: #333 PhillyPretzel
At LGF, religion and politics are a mint julep.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 3:56:56am |
re: #335 researchok
July is not winter.
/
I haven't been in Yakutia in summer, but I've been told it's short, but hot. (I have some Yakutian roots...)
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:59:03am |
re: #341 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
A number of years ago, I visited the steppes in summer.
Beautiful. Like oceans of wildflowers in the wind.
Pretty incredible.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 3:59:05am |
re: #340 researchok
Mint Juleps are served during the Kentucky Derby. That was almost a month ago. /
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 3:59:56am |
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 4:01:06am |
re: #343 PhillyPretzel
Served throughout the summer in the real south.
Of course in the real south, even moonshine will do.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 4:02:19am |
re: #345 researchok
Yes. There is nothing quite like "white lightning." And no I have not tried it and I really do not want to.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 4:03:38am |
re: #346 PhillyPretzel
Yes. There is nothing quite like "white lightning." And no I have not tried it and I really do not want to.
It's sold legally, in Mason jars with a tax stamp (for the alcho-curious).
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 4:04:13am |
re: #346 PhillyPretzel
I tried it once- emphasis on once.
Can be used as paint stripper in case of emergency.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 4:06:08am |
re: #348 researchok
I tried it once- emphasis on once.
Can be used as paint stripper in case of emergency.
One of my wife's people made it in Christian Co KY, and died with a dipper in his hand.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 4:07:41am |
Siberia summer. Spectacular
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 4:08:32am |
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 4:10:13am |
re: #352 Decatur Deb
Backwoods still and all that?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 4:11:42am |
re: #351 researchok
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 4:11:43am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 4:13:47am |
re: #356 PhillyPretzel
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PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 4:14:35am |
re: #357 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
That is very cute.
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 4:18:04am |
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researchok Sat, May 26, 2012 4:24:30am |
re: #349 Decatur Deb
One of my wife's people made it in Christian Co KY, and died with a dipper in his hand.
Cowboys die with their boots on.
Moonshiners die holding their dippers.
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Targetpractice Sat, May 26, 2012 4:25:50am |
re: #360 researchok
Cowboys die with their boots on.
Moonshiners die holding their dippers.
"Dippers"? Is that what the kids are calling them these days?
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 4:28:32am |
So I've been mucking around the site that Oktar-Yahya created as a sort of a shield against accusations of antisemitism - [Link: www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com...]
On the frontpage you see him meeting various rabbis.
But if you dig deeper...
In the article about the Holocaust the gas chambers are notably downplayed, and Norman Finkelstein is featured quite prominently, as well as comments like
[Link: www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com...]
Finkelstein also clearly expresses that in order to form and keep the Holocaust industry alive, Jewish organisations and, in some cases, some Jewish people commit numerous "frauds". According to the author: "Articulating the key Holocaust dogmas, much of the literature on Hitler's Final Solution is worthless as scholarship. Indeed, the field of Holocaust studies is replete with nonsense, if not sheer fraud." 2
In this article - [Link: www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com...] - Yahya quotes Holocaust denier Roger Garaudy and concludes with "While Muslims rightfully oppose Israel and atheist Zionism, they must also bear these truths in mind, and remember that it is not the devout Jews who are the problem, but atheist Zionism".
Etc., etc.
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RogueOne Sat, May 26, 2012 4:40:17am |
Police say roving Mass. cows drank some brews
[Link: www.boston.com...]
BOXFORD, Mass.—Police in Boxford say a roving group of cows crashed a small gathering in town and bullied the guests for their beer.
Boxford Police Lieutenant James Riter said he was responding to call for loose cows on Sunday and spotted them in a front yard on Main Street.
Riter says the herd soon high-tailed it for the backyard, and then he heard screaming.
He says when he ran back there, he saw the cows had chased off some young adults and were drinking their beers.
Riter says the cows had knocked the beer cans over on a table, and were lapping up the spillage. He says the bovines even started rooting around the recycled cans for some extra drops.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 4:44:41am |
Got to hit the outside work before the sun gets high--approaching 100f today.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 4:57:51am |
Turkish fundies caught up with the concept of Fox News blondes, look at the frontpage video at [Link: harunyahya.tv...]
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AK-47% Sat, May 26, 2012 5:07:58am |
re: #364 Decatur Deb
Got to hit the outside work before the sun gets high--approaching 100f today.
Germany is enjoying perfect weather for a long weekend - Pentecost Monday is a holiday - temps in the mid 70's with a light breeze. Got some proofreading to finish and a tour to give, then I will be kicking back and enjoying Springtime in Germany.
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RogueOne Sat, May 26, 2012 5:15:34am |
When an attractive college girl wanders into your bedroom in the middle of the night....I'm not sure shooting her is the way to go.
Drunk Intruder Shot By Man Faces Felony Trespassing Charge
[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com...]
To make matters worse for the poor girl, the prosecutors are charging her with a FELONY! I think getting shot should count as punishment enough. She was confused and drunk, she wasn't trying to rob anyone.
A warrant is being issued for the arrest of Zoey Ripple, 21, and prosecutors are working with her defense attorney to arrange for Ripple to turn herself in once she is released from a hospital, Boulder County district attorney spokeswoman Catherine Olguin said Friday. Ripple was shot in the hip.
Boulder District Attorney Stan Garnett said the shooting falls under Colorado’s "Make My Day" law, which gives homeowners the right to use deadly force if an intruder comes into their home uninvited and they feel threatened.
Huffpo has a better video:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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RogueOne Sat, May 26, 2012 5:18:41am |
Time for me to get ready. Enjoy the day people, take it easy in the heat!
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Gus Sat, May 26, 2012 5:20:47am |
re: #367 RogueOne
Guess we have different rules for attractive people aye?
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William of Orange Sat, May 26, 2012 5:30:45am |
Charles, I beg you. Put this up on the frontpage.
For those who were still wondering if Joe Biden has the right stuff to be VP, look no further than this clip.
This weekend is memorial weekend and here he is talking off script to about 2000 members of gold star families. This is very moving stuff, brought to you by Rachel Maddow. This is a man who actually knows about the loss of lost ones and he tells the audience that the moment WILL come when you see the bright spark in the black hole of despair after losing a loved one. Powerful stuff.
Lump in my throat...
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Obdicut Sat, May 26, 2012 5:46:37am |
re: #367 RogueOne
Another scared asshole opens fire without knowing what he's shooting.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 5:49:50am |
re: #372 Obdicut
Another scared asshole opens fire without knowing what he's shooting.
Calling this one a draw--the girl is lucky he didn't panic and empty the magazine.
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Obdicut Sat, May 26, 2012 6:00:51am |
The hot new thing in NYC is yarn graffiti.
[Link: gothamist.com...]
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 6:07:10am |
re: #373 Decatur Deb
Calling this one a draw--the girl is lucky he didn't panic and empty the magazine.
Here's my problem with that story..
Ripple was shot when she entered a couple's house through an unlocked screen door early Wednesday morning, police said.
So the dude is so paranoid about intruders coming into his house that he sleeps with a loaded weapon within reach, but he doesn't lock the door to keep them out. F-ing idiot.
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Gus Sat, May 26, 2012 6:15:14am |
re: #375 Mich-again
Here's my problem with that story..
So the dude is so paranoid about intruders coming into his house that he sleeps with a loaded weapon within reach, but he doesn't lock the door to keep them out. F-ing idiot.
I think the moral of the story is to not get so stinking drunk that you walk into the wrong house. I'm curious if she drove to that location. Perhaps she'll seek an alcohol abuse program that in the end saves her life and/or allows her to live out a longer life span.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 6:24:49am |
So why does Mitt want to be President? A clue in this interview..
The pace and intensity of the campaign were part of the attraction of politics, he said, describing the "game" as "like a sport for old guys."
"I mean, you know, I can't compete in competitive sports very well, but I can compete in politics,"
So its a big game. BTW, He can compete in politics because he is tall, has hair and tons of cash to throw around. 3 key precursors to political success.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 6:32:00am |
re: #375 Mich-again
Here's my problem with that story..
So the dude is so paranoid about intruders coming into his house that he sleeps with a loaded weapon within reach, but he doesn't lock the door to keep them out. F-ing idiot.
Yup. Idiot meets drunk and only one is hospitalized--Success.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 6:51:45am |
North Carolina Baptist Pastor: Put Gays And Lesbians In Electrified Pen To Kill Them Off
"Build a great, big, large fence -- 150 or 100 mile long -- put all the lesbians in there," Worley suggests in the clip, reportedly filmed on May 13.
He continues: "Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out..
I know Mitt Romney won't have a thing to say about this. The strategy is Mitt on Mute when there is a nutjob like this campaigning for him from the pulpit.
Its sickening to me that the US taxpayers subsidize this crap by providing a tax-exempt status for their "place of worship".
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 7:29:04am |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 7:30:49am |
re: #382 Mich-again
North Carolina Baptist Pastor: Put Gays And Lesbians In Electrified Pen To Kill Them Off
I know Mitt Romney won't have a thing to say about this. The strategy is Mitt on Mute when there is a nutjob like this campaigning for him from the pulpit.
Its sickening to me that the US taxpayers subsidize this crap by providing a tax-exempt status for their "place of worship".
Charles already put this one on the front page. It's been hashed over, though the only thing it really shows is "crazy wingnuts are crazy".
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 7:31:17am |
re: #374 Obdicut
The hot new thing in NYC is yarn graffiti.
[Link: gothamist.com...]
THAT is very cool! creative and really not destructive.
I like it.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 7:34:45am |
re: #372 Obdicut
Another scared asshole opens fire without knowing what he's shooting.
Colorado has a 'Castle Doctrine' law, which is what's in play here. The shooting took place inside the man's own home, and thus I don't think he should be charged. Out on the street is a different matter, but unless the shooting of an intruder was especially egregious in some way, I don't want it closely questioned.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 26, 2012 7:35:25am |
re: #383 ggt
morning all!
I slept ALL thru the night!
and how is everyone?
I slept in the greenhouse last night. I woke up about 4am to see a giant rat crawling around on the roof above me. Freaked me out so bad I couldn't get back to sleep. I'm running out to buy more rat poison as soon as the stores open.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 7:38:01am |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
I think that point of view is closer to the GOP base than you may think.
This is for sure, without the support of people in NC who think like that, the GOP doesn't win too many State or National elections.
So call them crazy, but do it in a hushed voice. Mitt on Mute.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 7:41:58am |
re: #386 Dark_Falcon
Colorado has a 'Castle Doctrine' law, which is what's in play here. The shooting took place inside the man's own home, and thus I don't think he should be charged. Out on the street is a different matter, but unless the shooting of an intruder was especially egregious in some way, I don't want it closely questioned.
Yeah, but if it is his castle and he's so paranoid about intruders coming in to harm him, he might try shutting the door at night. The drunk girl walked through an unlocked screened door. True, its her fault for being drunk and stupid, but its hard to understand how someone can be afraid of intruders to the point they keep a loaded weapon bedside, but then not even shut the door or lock it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 7:42:58am |
re: #370 William of Orange
Charles, I beg you. Put this up on the frontpage.
For those who were still wondering if Joe Biden has the right stuff to be VP, look no further than this clip.
This weekend is memorial weekend and here he is talking off script to about 2000 members of gold star families. This is very moving stuff, brought to you by Rachel Maddow. This is a man who actually knows about the loss of lost ones and he tells the audience that the moment WILL come when you see the bright spark in the black hole of despair after losing a loved one. Powerful stuff.
[Embedded content] Lump in my throat...
on my fb
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 7:43:26am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
I slept in the greenhouse last night. I woke up about 4am to see a giant rat crawling around on the roof above me. Freaked me out so bad I couldn't get back to sleep. I'm running out to buy more rat poison as soon as the stores open.
trap him?
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Lidane Sat, May 26, 2012 7:43:45am |
re: #370 William of Orange
Seconding the recommendation to front page that.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 26, 2012 7:45:12am |
There was some controversy the other day on the thread about Obama's spending. Here's a good article: Lots of heat (and some light) on Obama's spending
They also address the we discussed about whether the 2009 budget belongs to Bush or Obama.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 7:46:30am |
re: #389 Mich-again
Yeah, but if it is his castle and he's so paranoid about intruders coming in to harm him, he might try shutting the door at night. The drunk girl walked through an unlocked screened door. True, its her fault for being drunk and stupid, but its hard to understand how someone can be afraid of intruders to the point they keep a loaded weapon bedside, but then not even shut the door or lock it.
True, but the law deliberately does not concern itself with such matters, and that's true in every state. The law on what constitutes a valid threat varies from state to state but in America if someone breaks or wanders into your home you have no duty to retreat.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 26, 2012 7:47:32am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
I slept in the greenhouse last night. I woke up about 4am to see a giant rat crawling around on the roof above me. Freaked me out so bad I couldn't get back to sleep. I'm running out to buy more rat poison as soon as the stores open.
Ratist!
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 26, 2012 7:48:21am |
re: #391 ggt
trap him?
I considered traps last year but rejected the idea in favor of poison. There are just too many rats and mice around to make trapping practical. Portland is a pretty clean city but it's still an urban environment. Well meaning nature lovers have lots of compost piles and bird feeders which attract rats and mice.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 26, 2012 7:50:49am |
Politifact really needs to have a special Mitt section. Obama has his own category but Mitt is lumped in with the rest of the GOP.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 7:51:01am |
re: #389 Mich-again
Yeah, but if it is his castle and he's so paranoid about intruders coming in to harm him, he might try shutting the door at night. The drunk girl walked through an unlocked screened door. True, its her fault for being drunk and stupid, but its hard to understand how someone can be afraid of intruders to the point they keep a loaded weapon bedside, but then not even shut the door or lock it.
This happened in New Orleans years ago. A foreign student out partying walked intot he wrong house in the middle of the night.
I haven't read about this particular case, but it sounds like he was waiting for someone to walk thru the door --almost like entrapment.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 7:53:19am |
re: #396 Killgore Trout
I considered traps last year but rejected the idea in favor of poison. There are just too many rats and mice around to make trapping practical. Portland is a pretty clean city but it's still an urban environment. Well meaning nature lovers have lots of compost piles and bird feeders which attract rats and mice.
In other parts of the country, such outdoor amenities actually can attract larger animals like wild turkeys or whitetail deer.
Then there's Alaska:
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 7:54:03am |
re: #367 RogueOne
When an attractive college girl wanders into your bedroom in the middle of the night...I'm not sure shooting her is the way to go.
Drunk Intruder Shot By Man Faces Felony Trespassing Charge
[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com...]To make matters worse for the poor girl, the prosecutors are charging her with a FELONY! I think getting shot should count as punishment enough. She was confused and drunk, she wasn't trying to rob anyone.
Huffpo has a better video:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Ok, not entrapment. Also, it seems, justified.
"They initially thought it was a raccoon,” said Boulder police spokeswoman Kim Kobel. “When the homeowners realized someone had opened the door and entered their bedroom, they shouted for the intruder to get out.”
Kobel said the male homeowner warned the intruder that he had a gun and would use it.
“The intruder continued walking through the bedroom,” Kobel said. “The husband fired one shot.”
Kobel said the couple turned on a light after hearing something fall to the floor.
“They saw an unknown female intruder on the floor with a gunshot wound to her hip,” Kobel said. “They called 911.”Investigators released the 911 recording late Thursday afternoon.
The recording includes the conversation between the operator and a frantic female homeowner.
(Homeowner) “Yes, she’s in the house now. She’s awake. She’s fine. But she’s shot.”
(Homeowner) “She walked into our bedroom, and we told her we were looking at her. She kept coming in the bedroom, and we shot her.”
The 911 operator asked the female homeowner if the suspect could talk. The homeowner asked the alleged intruder a question.
(Homeowner) “Why did you just walk into our house when we were screaming at you to get out?”"
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 7:54:32am |
re: #394 Dark_Falcon
True, but the law deliberately does not concern itself with such matters, and that's true in every state. The law on what constitutes a valid threat varies from state to state but in America if someone breaks or wanders into your home you have no duty to retreat.
Yeah and if you leave the house unlocked and stand by with your loaded gun, someday you might get lucky enough to have the chance to kill someone who wanders in and then the NRA will write a paragraph about your heroic deed in their newsletter and send you a T shirt. W00t!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 7:54:56am |
re: #398 ggt
This happened in New Orleans years ago. A foreign student out partying walked into the wrong house in the middle of the night.
I haven't read about this particular case, but it sounds like he was waiting for someone to walk thru the door --almost like entrapment.
Sadly, given the crime rate in the Crescent City, the homeowner had good reason to be fearful.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 7:57:23am |
re: #367 RogueOne
When an attractive college girl wanders into your bedroom in the middle of the night...I'm not sure shooting her is the way to go.
Drunk Intruder Shot By Man Faces Felony Trespassing Charge
[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com...]To make matters worse for the poor girl, the prosecutors are charging her with a FELONY! I think getting shot should count as punishment enough. She was confused and drunk, she wasn't trying to rob anyone.
Huffpo has a better video:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
It figures. The judicial-correctional complex wants her for itself! //
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 7:57:36am |
re: #402 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, given the crime rate in the Crescent City, the homeowner had good reason to be fearful.
IMHO, it's a good reason not to drink.
I would be rather fearful of a drunk strange walking into my home in the night. Drunks can be very violent.
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William of Orange Sat, May 26, 2012 7:59:17am |
re: #370 William of Orange
Charles, I beg you. Put this up on the frontpage.
For those who were still wondering if Joe Biden has the right stuff to be VP, look no further than this clip.
This weekend is memorial weekend and here he is talking off script to about 2000 members of gold star families. This is very moving stuff, brought to you by Rachel Maddow. This is a man who actually knows about the loss of lost ones and he tells the audience that the moment WILL come when you see the bright spark in the black hole of despair after losing a loved one. Powerful stuff.
[Embedded content] Lump in my throat...
Quoting myself in this case. The Huffington Post also did an article about this happening. There's also a partial transcript to read it. This is frontpage stuff.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 7:59:19am |
re: #402 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, given the crime rate in the Crescent City, the homeowner had good reason to be fearful.
If its so bad, why wouldn't they at least shut the door when they go to sleep. That's the part I don't get. Paranoid about intruders, but not even shutting the front door at night.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 7:59:55am |
re: #396 Killgore Trout
I considered traps last year but rejected the idea in favor of poison. There are just too many rats and mice around to make trapping practical. Portland is a pretty clean city but it's still an urban environment. Well meaning nature lovers have lots of compost piles and bird feeders which attract rats and mice.
Lots of wood rats around the woods! Ammonia rags?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 8:01:35am |
re: #406 Mich-again
If its so bad, why wouldn't they at least shut the door when they go to sleep. That's the part I don't get. Paranoid about intruders, but not even shutting the front door at night.
A person can forget to lock the door --it happens.
A person also has the right to use their screen door if the weather permits.
I knew a girl who did the door-to-door thing while drunk one night. She couldn't find one open and got so pissed she kicked one in. Spent the night in jail.
She was lucky.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 26, 2012 8:03:39am |
re: #407 ggt
Lots of wood rats around the woods! Ammonia rags?
I tried a couple deterrents. Cat littler and pepper sprays are supposed to get rid of rats too but they don't work very well. I was just out in the garden and noticed little tiny bird eggs on the ground with holes nibbled in them. They must have raided the nest in my pear tree. Bummer.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 8:05:16am |
re: #409 Killgore Trout
I tried a couple deterrents. Cat littler and pepper sprays are supposed to get rid of rats too but they don't work very well. I was just out in the garden and noticed little tiny bird eggs on the ground with holes nibbled in them. They must have raided the nest in my pear tree. Bummer.
Ammonia rags worked very well for a raccoon visitor we once had.
Easier than dealing with corpses.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 8:05:43am |
re: #406 Mich-again
If its so bad, why wouldn't they at least shut the door when they go to sleep. That's the part I don't get. Paranoid about intruders, but not even shutting the front door at night.
Paranoid about intruders?
I'm not getting that idea.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 8:08:24am |
re: #411 ggt
Sleeping with a loaded weapon within reach from your bed. I don't get it..
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 8:10:35am |
re: #412 Mich-again
Sleeping with a loaded weapon within reach from your bed. I don't get it..
You know, it's isn't that uncommon. Home defense is the #1 reason to have a weapon.
I grew-up in Detroit.
You have kids?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 8:11:27am |
From the Politifact article:
Our assessment was tweeted by White House press secretary Jay Carney
It always happens - when a factchecking watchdog's decision favors a politician, they promote it, forgetting that in the next moment they may be factchecked too. When that happens, it's usually ignored.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 8:11:36am |
re: #412 Mich-again
Sleeping with a loaded weapon within reach from your bed. I don't get it..
You seem a little freaked about the gun.
If he had a machete by the bed and had cut her, would you feel differently?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:11:46am |
re: #404 ggt
IMHO, it's a good reason not to drink.
I would be rather fearful of a drunk strange walking into my home in the night. Drunks can be very violent.
Quite Concur.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 8:13:05am |
re: #413 ggt
Home defense is the #1 reason to have a weapon.
Shutting your door is the #1 way to keep intruders out. And yes I have kids, which is precisely why I don't keep loaded guns laying around the house.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 26, 2012 8:13:24am |
re: #414 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
From the Politifact article:
It always happens - when a factchecking watchdog's decision favors a politician, they promote it, forgetting that in the next moment they may be factchecked too. When that happens, it's usually ignored.
Yup. Politifact isn't perfect but they are reasonable and I trust their opinions. When they contradict something I believe I take their criticism seriously.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 8:14:38am |
re: #412 Mich-again
Sleeping with a loaded weapon within reach from your bed. I don't get it..
Depends on where you are, where you are from, and how fearful you were raised to be. All our guns are locked away and all the ammo is at the other end of the house. But I wasn't raised on a diet of Glenn Beck.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:15:39am |
re: #412 Mich-again
Sleeping with a loaded weapon within reach from your bed. I don't get it..
In some parts of the country, its done because of a high risk of break-in. Even in good parts of Chicago, such as Lincoln Park, many people have alarm systems or firearms in easy reach. My dad has a shotgun in my parent's bedroom (on a dedicated stand, with a trigger lock, to be clear).
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 8:16:03am |
re: #417 Mich-again
Shutting your door is the #1 way to keep intruders out. And yes I have kids, which is precisely why I don't keep loaded guns laying around the house.
Yeah, don't leave my door open either. I can't read people's minds, so I don't know why their's was open.
I've never understood the fear of guns. I grew up in a house with guns. My friends did. I have known many policemen with kids.
Never a problem with guns in the house.
As a result, I really don't understand your focus on it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 8:17:08am |
re: #418 Killgore Trout
My point is more about the politicians' behavior. The factcheckers can be wrong too, but if their decision favors someone, that someone usually hails it as authoritative, thus implicitly agreeing that the factchecker has credibility (regardless of whether it really has one - it can be atrocious in fact). But that only lasts as long as the opinion favors the politician. Next time Politifact blasts Obama, Carney won't be retweeting that (same applies to Romney and others).
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 8:18:07am |
re: #412 Mich-again
Sleeping with a loaded weapon within reach from your bed. I don't get it..
I can't speak to the fellow in the story, but to me it's obvious that you live in a nice place. You don't live in a neighborhood where armed home invasions happen about once or twice a month. I do. My Glock is within reach at night. Someone who comes through my door unannounced will not be happy with the result.
I will be very glad to finish our move up north.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, May 26, 2012 8:18:14am |
Good morning Lizards.
Lazing about while laundry runs in western NY state.
Yesterday was visit of Ft Stanwix in Rome, NY, the nearby Oriskany Battlefield Monument (American Revolutionary War) and then the drive west to my brother's residence south of Rochester.
The fort is a reconstruction made in the 70s on the original site - and using the original plans that were still archived in London. Made entirely of wood and earth fill. Not a fun place to garrison I'm sure; bored out of your skull cooped up inside, and a decent chance of being attacked by Indians or Loyalists if you went outside. Like Fort Ontario the day before it's simply a strategic piece of land overlooking a bottleneck in transportation on the frontier and also important to the profitable fur trade with the Indians at that time.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 8:18:19am |
re: #419 Decatur Deb
Depends on where you are, where you are from, and how fearful you were raised to be. All our guns are locked away and all the ammo is at the other end of the house. But I wasn't raised on a diet of Glenn Beck.
I don't have a problem with people deciding to keep and bear arms. I just find it odd that the homeowner would be so prepared to shoot an intruder that they keep a loaded weapon bedside, but then they don't even shut the front door or lock it. So what if the intruder isn't a drunk bouncing off the walls and making a racket. You'll probably just sleep right through their visit, if you are lucky that is.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 8:18:30am |
re: #420 Dark_Falcon
In some parts of the country, its done because of a high risk of break-in. Even in good parts of Chicago, such as Lincoln Park, many people have alarm systems or firearms in easy reach. My dad has a shotgun in my parent's bedroom (on a dedicated stand, with a trigger lock, to be clear).
That is Mich's entire point. Close the f'n door if you're so afraid of a break-in that you have a gun at the bed.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 8:20:31am |
re: #426 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
That is Mich's entire point. Close the f'n door if you're so afraid of a break-in that you have a gun at the bed.
Like I said, I don't get the door thing either.
Yet, if you yell at a person to get out, and tell them you have a gun and they keep a'comin . . . .
I'd be afraid . very afraid.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 26, 2012 8:21:47am |
re: #422 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
My point is more about the politicians' behavior. The factcheckers can be wrong too, but if their decision favors someone, that someone usually hails it as authoritative, thus implicitly agreeing that the factchecker has credibility (regardless of whether it really has one - it can be atrocious in fact). But that only lasts as long as the opinion favors the politician. Next time Politifact blasts Obama, Carney won't be retweeting that (same applies to Romney and others).
Agreed but the same behavior applies to us too. It's all very predictable.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 8:23:47am |
re: #427 ggt
Like I said, I don't get the door thing either.
Yet, if you yell at a person to get out, and tell them you have a gun and they keep a'comin . . .
I'd be afraid . very afraid.
ZOMBIE!!!/
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 8:24:02am |
re: #427 ggt
Like I said, I don't get the door thing either.
Yet, if you yell at a person to get out, and tell them you have a gun and they keep a'comin . . .
I'd be afraid . very afraid.
Totally dependent on the environment. If I wake up and realize I didn't lock a door, I'd get up and fix it. When we leave to go shopping for a few hours we leave the back door open for the dog. If our town developed a crime rate or had a return to KKK days I'd up the readiness level.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 8:24:17am |
re: #426 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
That is Mich's entire point. Close the f'n door if you're so afraid of a break-in that you have a gun at the bed.
To be sure, my doors are closed and locked with a deadbolt. But that won't stop someone who takes a sledgehammer to the doorknob as happened here recently. The only way to avoid it completely is to escape and, frankly, that's why we didn't fight the foreclosure as hard as we could have, so that we can.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 8:24:43am |
re: #421 ggt
I've never understood the fear of guns. I grew up in a house with guns. My friends did. I have known many policemen with kids.
Never a problem with guns in the house.
As a result, I really don't understand your focus on it.
A few years ago my boss's 13 year old son was shot and killed when the kid and his buddies were screwing around with his pistol when the folks were out.
That's one reason. I think there are better ways to protect your house and family than just relying on a weapon to kill intruders.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 8:25:19am |
re: #431 William Barnett-Lewis
To be sure, my doors are closed and locked with a deadbolt. But that won't stop someone who takes a sledgehammer to the doorknob as happened here recently. The only way to avoid it completely is to escape and, frankly, that's why we didn't fight the foreclosure as hard as we could have, so that we can.
Like I said earlier. I knew a drunk girl (not an athlete by any means) who kicked in a door one night.
Drunks are bizarre.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 8:26:16am |
re: #432 Mich-again
A few years ago my boss's 13 year old son was shot and killed when the kid and his buddies were screwing around with his pistol when the folks were out.
That's one reason. I think there are better ways to protect your house and family than just relying on a weapon to kill intruders.
EDUCATION!!!!!!!
God, if I were caught unsupervised with a gun at that age --I can't image what my Dad would have done.
I had no reason, anytime I wanted to learn, he would teach.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, May 26, 2012 8:27:08am |
Honestly, Mich--
If you are not a gun person, don't own a gun.
Just, please don't judge those who do.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:27:43am |
re: #422 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
My point is more about the politicians' behavior. The factcheckers can be wrong too, but if their decision favors someone, that someone usually hails it as authoritative, thus implicitly agreeing that the factchecker has credibility (regardless of whether it really has one - it can be atrocious in fact). But that only lasts as long as the opinion favors the politician. Next time Politifact blasts Obama, Carney won't be retweeting that (same applies to Romney and others).
You are correct, but what you've done is simply articulate a normal feature of partisan politics: You attack or ignore the fact-checker when he sides against your party, and hold his findings up high when he rules in your favor.
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Mattand Sat, May 26, 2012 8:28:01am |
re: #423 William Barnett-Lewis
I can't speak to the fellow in the story, but to me it's obvious that you live in a nice place. You don't live in a neighborhood where armed home invasions happen about once or twice a month. I do. My Glock is within reach at night. Someone who comes through my door unannounced will not be happy with the result.
I will be very glad to finish our move up north.
The people I've known who have the proverbial gun under their pillow live in decent places. Yes, anything can happen anywhere, but statistically the folk I'm talking about are highly unlikely to ever deal with that scenario.
Quite frankly, it's paranoia. It's like they're hoping to win some vigilante lottery where they get to be the Punisher for the night.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 8:28:52am |
re: #434 ggt
EDUCATION!!!
God, if I were caught unsupervised with a gun at that age --I can't image what my Dad would have done.
I had no reason, anytime I wanted to learn, he would teach.
ENGINEERING FIX!!
If there are any 13-yr olds around it must be physically impossible for them to access working weapons. Even well-trained girls.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 8:29:03am |
re: #433 ggt
Drunks are bizarre.
Now on that point I can agree with for sure. You can't predict their behavior.. Some get completely violent, some want to hug everyone, If they are lucky they just find a place to lay down and sleep, not in the road.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:29:16am |
re: #431 William Barnett-Lewis
To be sure, my doors are closed and locked with a deadbolt. But that won't stop someone who takes a sledgehammer to the doorknob as happened here recently. The only way to avoid it completely is to escape and, frankly, that's why we didn't fight the foreclosure as hard as we could have, so that we can.
Where in Wisconsin do you live?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 8:30:19am |
re: #436 Dark_Falcon
You are correct, but what you've done is simply articulate a normal feature of partisan politics: You attack or ignore the fact-checker when he sides against your party, and hold his findings up high when he rules in your favor.
Yes, but the way it's done in RL a bit too blatant IMHO.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 8:33:16am |
re: #435 ggt
Honestly, Mich--
If you are not a gun person, don't own a gun.
Just, please don't judge those who do.
Its not a gun thing. I'd say the same thing if the guy kept a crossbow or a 5-iron by the bed for protection because he was concerned about intruders while he slept but didn't even shut the front door.
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Kronocide Sat, May 26, 2012 8:34:31am |
re: #443 Mich-again
Its not a gun thing. I'd say the same thing if the guy kept a crossbow or a 5-iron by the bed for protection because he was concerned about intruders while he slept but didn't even shut the front door.
Why didn't you whack him when he attacked your wife?
I was in between clubs.
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Mattand Sat, May 26, 2012 8:35:11am |
re: #444 Kronocide
Why didn't you whack him when he attacked your wife?
I was in between clubs.
Plus, the caddy was taking a bathroom break.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 8:37:14am |
re: #438 Decatur Deb
ENGINEERING FIX!!
If there are any 13-yr olds around it must be physically impossible for them to access working weapons. Even well-trained girls.
My boss DW kept the pistol in one locked cabinet and the bullets in another with the strategy to keep the kids safe. I think it might be a better strategy to have the kid handle the weapon and teach them to use it at a range to give them an idea of how dangerous they are.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:37:15am |
re: #441 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Yes, but the way it's done in RL a bit too blatant IMHO.
true, but its not a solvable problem. To admit, even tacitly, that the fact-checker caught you telling a lie would be to admit to your party's voters that you lied to them. That would likely suppress your voter turnout in general election or get you defeated outright in a primary. At the same time, given the frequent conflicts between ideology and reality telling the truth may not always be an option either, as doing so may cause a cry and cry of 'RINO!' (or 'DINO!', as the case may be) to go forth.
Often simply remaining silent, damaging though that can sometimes be, is the only honest option.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:38:19am |
Bear cub and a bird feeder, with its mother nearby:
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Mocking Jay Sat, May 26, 2012 8:38:23am |
re: #367 RogueOne
From the link:
Orion: "Somebody came into our house.. she's in the house now, she's fine but she's been shot... we shot her."
Being shot voids any definition of fine I can think of.
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Mocking Jay Sat, May 26, 2012 8:39:57am |
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 8:40:42am |
re: #440 Dark_Falcon
Where in Wisconsin do you live?
East side of Madison. Was a very nice neighborhood when we bought our house in 1999. Lot's of folks from less nice places in Chicago thought so and moved here to get away. Unfortunately many of their "friends" and family followed the folks trying to make a better life for themselves and so many of the problems followed. Increases in drugs & gangs especially. Been 6 shootings that I am aware of, 2 wounded, no dead, in the past 2 months within a 1.5 mile radius of my home. I say "aware of" as I saw several squad cars doing a neighborhood search pattern again last night but there was nothing in the news this morning.
Couple of people opened fire on a group outside of a big bar downtown last Saturday night. Couple of people wounded, more arrested for not cooperating with police and the two shooters are still at large.
Fun times in the not-so-big big city.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 8:41:09am |
re: #447 Dark_Falcon
To admit, even tacitly, that the fact-checker caught you telling a lie would be to admit to your party's voters that you lied to them.
But that's the problem if you're using, say, FactCheck.org to prove your point, and earlier FC factchecked your ass, you're implicitly agreeing that they were right that last time, even if you don't mention it. I.e., FC said you lie, later you quote FC as authoritative, and thus you agree they proved you a liar.
Often simply remaining silent, damaging though that can sometimes be, is the only honest option.
Politically shrewd option could be to take a factchecker's arguments (since they rely on public sources anyway) and use them without mentioning the factchecker by name.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:46:10am |
re: #452 William Barnett-Lewis
East side of Madison. Was a very nice neighborhood when we bought our house in 1999. Lot's of folks from less nice places in Chicago thought so and moved here to get away. Unfortunately many of their "friends" and family followed the folks trying to make a better life for themselves and so many of the problems followed. Increases in drugs & gangs especially. Been 6 shootings that I am aware of, 2 wounded, no dead, in the past 2 months within a 1.5 mile radius of my home. I say "aware of" as I saw several squad cars doing a neighborhood search pattern again last night but there was nothing in the news this morning.
Couple of people opened fire on a group outside of a big bar downtown last Saturday night. Couple of people wounded, more arrested for not cooperating with police and the two shooters are still at large.
Fun times in the not-so-big big city.
Madison needs to upgrade its police forces. Maybe it should consider bringing in some COMPSTAT experts from NYC to help train its police to better deal with gangs.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 8:46:33am |
[Link: politics.kfyi.com...]
Three of Sheriff Arpaio's former right hand men are suing the Sheriff, MCSO and others for defamation.
Chief Deputy Dave Hendershott, Deputy Chief Jerry Black and Deputy Joel Fox were all accused of misconduct in what has become in the Munnell memo. That memo written by Deputy Chief Frank Munnell who is also named in the lawsuit.
The three man claim negligence, defamation, and abuse of process for being forced out after the memo was given to Arpaio.
They are also suing Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu claiming he used the investigation as a springboard for higher political office. All say they have suffered emotional distress, loss of income and a damaged reputation.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:47:38am |
re: #453 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
But that's the problem if you're using, say, FactCheck.org to prove your point, and earlier FC factchecked your ass, you're implicitly agreeing that they were right that last time, even if you don't mention it. I.e., FC said you lie, later you quote FC as authoritative, and thus you agree they proved you a liar.
Here on LGF it would be seen that way, but most people don't pay enough attention to get that point.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 8:48:18am |
Arpaio needs to be in prison ASAP (after a fair trial, of course).
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 8:49:38am |
re: #454 Dark_Falcon
Madison needs to upgrade its police forces. Maybe it should consider bringing in some COMPSTAT experts from NYC to help train its police to better deal with gangs.
The local police are fine. We have bigger problems in the Governor's office with someone who's ripping apart the education system in the name of greed.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:50:58am |
re: #458 William Barnett-Lewis
The local police are fine. We have bigger problems in the Governor's office with someone who's ripping apart the education system in the name of greed.
Let's not go there, as you and I simply do not agree on the matter of Scott Walker.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 8:51:13am |
[Link: www.azcentral.com...]
The Surprise Tea Party Patriots, which won national exposure this month by continuing to question President Barack Obama's birth certificate, will host a speech by British global-warming skeptic Lord Christopher Monckton on Monday.
The talk will be at Sun City West Foundation Plaza, 14465 W. R.H. Johnson Blvd., and donations will go to Sheriff Joe Arpaio's cold-case posse.
Citizenship denial and AGW denial have already converged (Monckton happens to be a birther).
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:51:49am |
re: #459 Dark_Falcon
Let's not go there, as you and I simply do not agree on the matter of Scott Walker.
Saturday Night is alright for fighting, but Saturday morning is not.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 8:52:03am |
re: #446 Mich-again
My boss DW kept the pistol in one locked cabinet and the bullets in another with the strategy to keep the kids safe. I think it might be a better strategy to have the kid handle the weapon and teach them to use it at a range to give them an idea of how dangerous they are.
I would, and did, do both. The Army has a hierarchy of risk-reduction techniques. Engineering it out is always the best (though not cheapest) way to control a hazard. Education is good, but it's very hard to quality-control and to maintain through time.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 8:52:40am |
re: #450 Mich-again
I am a single female and I live alone. Within a couple of weeks of buying my house I bought a Ruger SP101. In my 13 years here in NE Philly I thankfully I have not shot the gun in self defense. Keep in mind my neighborhood is not as nice as it used to be. And yes I keep my all of my doors and windows locked.
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Mocking Jay Sat, May 26, 2012 8:54:29am |
That they call it the "Make My Day" law makes my skin crawl.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 8:55:32am |
re: #464 It's a cookbook!
That they call it the "Make My Day" law makes my skin crawl.
That's actually what the press calls it. The law itself is formally called a "Castle Doctrine Law".
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 8:56:38am |
re: #417 Mich-again
Shutting your door is the #1 way to keep intruders out. And yes I have kids, which is precisely why I don't keep loaded guns laying around the house.
Not that you should have a gun...
If your home is physically secure enough to keep intruders out, you are trapped at least momentarily in the event of a fire. If you leave loaded guns around you are negligent. There are ways to have guns safely in the house. And ways to have a loaded gun or two in a quick release gun box. Teaching kids whats dangerous is essential. Guns, fire, prescriptions, cleaning chemicals, shop tools, etc.
Alarm and good locks are a must. Keeping a cell phone, ID and keys in the bedroom when you sleep is smart too.
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Mocking Jay Sat, May 26, 2012 8:58:06am |
re: #465 Dark_Falcon
That's actually what the press calls it. The law itself is formally called a "Castle Doctrine Law".
I don't care who's calling it that. It's still creepy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 8:58:46am |
Is this when the GOP started slowly turning into the home of the racists, and not during the Souther Strategy period?
[Link: query.nytimes.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 9:00:57am |
re: #467 It's a cookbook!
I don't care who's calling it that. It's still creepy.
Well take that concern up with the anti-gun people who came up with the name, because I can tell honestly that the NRA (which pushes for Castle Doctrine laws) has never called such a law a "Make My Day Law". That's a hostile nickname created as a smear.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 9:02:27am |
re: #468 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Is this when the GOP started slowly turning into the home of the racists, and not during the Souther Strategy period?
Those folks were the parents and grandparents of the GOP base in NC today. Something about acorns and trees.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 9:03:09am |
re: #468 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Is this when the GOP started slowly turning into the home of the racists, and not during the Souther Strategy period?
[Link: query.nytimes.com...]
No. Both parties had race problems in 1903, but the Democrats had far worse ones.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 9:04:19am |
re: #467 It's a cookbook!
I don't care who's calling it that. It's still creepy.
It's their intent for it to sound creepy. That sells more for them. A more accurate description would be common sense self-defense but that doesn't scare people.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 9:04:31am |
re: #464 It's a cookbook!
The critics use the harshest terms possible. The real "castle doctrine" is straight from SCOTUS case law. At home, at work and on your land. Not in public spaces. That's the far less wise SYG of course.
An obligation to flee your home or yard in the event of an intruder is a parents nightmare. Or a spouse.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 9:06:17am |
re: #469 Dark_Falcon
I can tell honestly that the NRA (which pushes for Castle Doctrine laws) has never called such a law a "Make My Day Law". That's a hostile nickname created as a smear.
First link I went to was a Colorado gun safety website certified by the NRA and they call it the Make My Day law. Colorado Handgun Safety
This class is two-hour presentation of Colorado concealed carry and firearms law, taught by a practicing attorney. This class will include a review of Colorado use of force case studies both justified and unjustified, legal definitions, and the Make My Day Law as well as question and answer opportunities with the attorney.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 9:06:42am |
re: #471 Dark_Falcon
No.
Do you think it only happened during the Southern Strategy? I thought so, but I'm reading about the Lily-White movement and now it seems that the process started at this time (end of 19th. - early 20th century). If you have other information, share.
Both parties had race problems in 1903, but the Democrats had far worse ones.
That may be so, but I'm not asking about the Democrats.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 9:08:12am |
re: #473 Daniel Ballard
The critics use the harshest terms possible. The real "castle doctrine" is straight from SCOTUS case law. At home, at work and on your land. Not in public spaces. That's the far less wise SYG of course.
An obligation to flee your home or yard in the event of an intruder is a parents nightmare. Or a spouse.
Exactly. The proverbial "castle doctrine" has been accepted practice for well over a millenium in the common law. It has also held, for that same period, that you have to retreat, if at all possible, if you are in the public sphere. Changing that has proven to be a very bad idea.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 9:09:19am |
re: #475 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Do you think it only happened during the Southern Strategy? I thought so, but I'm reading about the Lily-White movement and now it seems that the process started at this time (end of 19th. - early 20th century). If you have other information, share.
That may be so, but I'm not asking about the Democrats.
What I think was that most white Americans in 1903 were racists. Racism was considered normal back then. TR worked against that sentiment when he could, but sometimes had to tack to avoid alienating too many people who happened to be racist.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 9:11:31am |
re: #469 Dark_Falcon
I can tell honestly that the NRA (which pushes for Castle Doctrine laws) has never called such a law a "Make My Day Law". That's a hostile nickname created as a smear.
I bet you never visited the NRA ILA site,
The Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the lobbying arm of the NRA. Established in 1975, ILA is committed to preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals to purchase, possess and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Here is a site search.. make my day..
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 9:13:41am |
re: #478 Mich-again
I bet you never visited the NRA ILA site,
Here is a site search.. make my day..
I consider it a toss up between the NRA & The Brady Bunch as to which is a worse organization. Certainly neither has any affinity for the truth.
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Mich-again Sat, May 26, 2012 9:15:10am |
re: #479 William Barnett-Lewis
I consider it a toss up between the NRA & The Brady Bunch as to which is a worse organization. Certainly neither has any affinity for the truth.
I agree with that.. But then lobbyists aren't paid to tell the truth.
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wrenchwench Sat, May 26, 2012 9:15:22am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 9:15:27am |
re: #477 Dark_Falcon
What I think was that most white Americans in 1903 were racists. Racism was considered normal back then. TR worked against that sentiment when he could, but sometimes had to tack to avoid alienating too many people who happened to be racist.
But we're not talking about who was racist back then, but about the dynamics. The simple fact (of which I was admittedly ignorant) is that it is at this time the GOP began to discriminate against blacks in its midst (earlier the only elected black politicians were notably Republican, which points to a much healthier relationship between blacks and whites in the GOP than in the Democratic party of the time). So there was an overlap of several decades when the GOP and the Dems were comparably racist, but it was an overlap with different vectors - while Dems were getting less racist, and slowly shedding their segregationists to the GOP, the GOP was getting more racist (or stayed at the same level), and shedded blacks, while accepting the Dixiecrats.
And the breakpoint was the period I pointed to.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 9:16:19am |
re: #479 William Barnett-Lewis
I consider it a toss up between the NRA & The Brady Bunch as to which is a worse organization. Certainly neither has any affinity for the truth.
The Brady Campaign, no question. Those who seek unilateral disarmament are utter fools who ultimately would deliver their followers defenseless to those who would conquer them.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 9:18:01am |
re: #473 Daniel Ballard
The critics use the harshest terms possible. The real "castle doctrine" is straight from SCOTUS case law. At home, at work and on your land. Not in public spaces. That's the far less wise SYG of course.
An obligation to flee your home or yard in the event of an intruder is a parents nightmare. Or a spouse.
Or a Florida woman doing 20.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 9:21:55am |
re: #482 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
But we're not talking about who was racist back then, but about the dynamics. The simple fact (of which I was admittedly ignorant) is that it is at this time the GOP began to discriminate against blacks in its midst (earlier the only elected black politicians were notably Republican, which points to a much healthier relationship between blacks and whites in the GOP than in the Democratic party of the time). So there was an overlap of several decades when the GOP and the Dems were comparably racist, but it was an overlap with different vectors - while Dems were getting less racist, and slowly shedding their segregationists to the GOP, the GOP was getting more racist (or stayed at the same level), and shedded blacks, while accepting the Dixiecrats.
And the breakpoint was the period I pointed to.
I'd still say 'no', but mostly due to the race riots (whites attacking blacks) that occurred after WWI. The GOP took a stronger stand against such riots than the Dems did and used the issue to push for federal anti-lynching legislation that the Democrats blocked. This, coupled with the demolition of Indiana's branch of the GOP for getting into bed with the KKK, caused the strong majority of the racists to leave the GOP. Republicans subsequently used the issue of anti-lynching legislation as a club against the Democrats in 1924 after KKK-aligned convention delegates blocked an anti-lynching plank from being added to the Democratic Party platform.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 9:22:53am |
re: #475 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Do you think it only happened during the Southern Strategy? I thought so, but I'm reading about the Lily-White movement and now it seems that the process started at this time (end of 19th. - early 20th century). If you have other information, share.
That may be so, but I'm not asking about the Democrats.
Racism isn't inherently party-unique--it's more ideological, part of the conservative syndrome. The Dems and Repubs have done a gyre around it historically. Since TR the shift has been towards the Repubs, accelerating under FD(and E)R and in full turn by RFK/Nixon era.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 9:25:19am |
re: #483 Dark_Falcon
The Brady Campaign, no question. Those who seek unilateral disarmament are utter fools who ultimately would deliver their followers defenseless to those who would conquer them.
As a gun owner, I'd have to say the NRA because their utter lack of honesty and extremist positions turn away the people in the middle adding to the problems being caused by anti-gun groups who sound comparatively sane even when they're as baldly lying as the NRA.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 9:29:48am |
re: #485 Dark_Falcon
Look up the Lily-White movement. That's when the process started. I stand by my conclusion.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 9:30:31am |
re: #487 William Barnett-Lewis
I back the Second Amendment Foundation. Dropped my NRA membership and let my NRA instructor credentials lapse. Which just keeps me from doing NRA classes. Fine, I do my own or throw in with ISI or Shooters Edge.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 9:30:43am |
re: #487 William Barnett-Lewis
As a gun owner, I'd have to say the NRA because their utter lack of honesty and extremist positions turn away the people in the middle adding to the problems being caused by anti-gun groups who sound comparatively sane even when they're as baldly lying as the NRA.
Then there's always the GOA to make the NRA look sane.
[Link: gunowners.org...]
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 9:31:47am |
re: #489 Daniel Ballard
I back the Second Amendment Foundation. Dropped my NRA membership and let my NRA instructor credentials lapse. Which just keeps me from doing NRA classes. Fine, I do my own or throw in with ISI or Shooters Edge.
I'll probably join them when our finances fully stabilize after the move.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 9:33:00am |
re: #490 Decatur Deb
Then there's always the GOA to make the NRA look sane.
[Link: gunowners.org...]
Yeah, I've noticed them before. That Laup Nor likes them is all I need to know to stay away.
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Varek Raith Sat, May 26, 2012 9:33:45am |
Paranoid NRA Chief: Obama Leaving Gun Owners Alone Is ‘Conspiracy’ To Take Away Guns
Its' leadership is bat shit crazy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 9:36:00am |
re: #486 Decatur Deb
Racism isn't inherently party-unique
I never argued otherwise (in a historical perspective). I'm merely interested in when the GOP became a welcome home for racists - I was under impression it happened during the SS period, but it seems the Lily-White movement started the process, sort of the earlier Southern Strategy (which still didn't help the GOP with the white Southerners). Pointing out that everybody was a racist back then is not meaningful - racism can be a relative term (certainly, Lincoln was a racist, by our standards, but it doesn't mean there wasn't a diff between him and Davis; by their times' standard Davis was *the* racist; etc.).
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HappyWarrior Sat, May 26, 2012 9:38:39am |
re: #493 Varek Raith
Paranoid NRA Chief: Obama Leaving Gun Owners Alone Is ‘Conspiracy’ To Take Away Guns
Its' leadership is bat shit crazy.
Yep that's why I think the NRA is nuts. It'd be one thing if LaPierre pointed to actual policies but he's using paranoia and fear to scare gun owners. Such a shame because many will fall for it.
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HappyWarrior Sat, May 26, 2012 9:40:14am |
Regarding race and the two parties, I still say that Nixon's embracing of the Southern Strategy is ultimately the worst part of his legacy. Watergate was bad, yes, but the SS was worse in my eyes.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 26, 2012 9:41:49am |
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]
Eyewitness recalls violence of Tinley Park restaurant attack
A horde of masked figures stormed the restaurant in a single-file line, wielding bats, claw hammers and metal batons — their presence announced when one shouted, “‘Hey, bitches, the ARA is going to f--- up this place.’ ”
Well ,, at least they were in single file!!! Shows some semblance of order!!!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 9:43:55am |
National Review
's Kevin D. williamson takes on the issue of the GOP and race:
The Party of Civil Rights
This magazine has long specialized in debunking pernicious political myths, and Jonah Goldberg has now provided an illuminating catalogue of tyrannical clichés, but worse than the myth and the cliché is the outright lie, the utter fabrication with malice aforethought, and my nominee for the worst of them is the popular but indefensible belief that the two major U.S. political parties somehow “switched places” vis-à-vis protecting the rights of black Americans, a development believed to be roughly concurrent with the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the rise of Richard Nixon. That Republicans have let Democrats get away with this mountebankery is a symptom of their political fecklessness, and in letting them get away with it the GOP has allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony, who represent an expression of conservative ideals as true and relevant today as it was in the 19th century. Perhaps even worse, the Democrats have been allowed to rhetorically bury their Bull Connors, their longstanding affiliation with the Ku Klux Klan, and their pitiless opposition to practically every major piece of civil-rights legislation for a century. Republicans may not be able to make significant inroads among black voters in the coming elections, but they would do well to demolish this myth nonetheless.
Even if the Republicans’ rise in the South had happened suddenly in the 1960s (it didn’t) and even if there were no competing explanation (there is), racism — or, more precisely, white southern resentment over the political successes of the civil-rights movement — would be an implausible explanation for the dissolution of the Democratic bloc in the old Confederacy and the emergence of a Republican stronghold there. That is because those southerners who defected from the Democratic party in the 1960s and thereafter did so to join a Republican party that was far more enlightened on racial issues than were the Democrats of the era, and had been for a century. There is no radical break in the Republicans’ civil-rights history: From abolition to Reconstruction to the anti-lynching laws, from the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Civil Rights Act of 1875 to the Civil Rights Acts of 1957, 1960, and 1964, there exists a line that is by no means perfectly straight or unwavering but that nonetheless connects the politics of Lincoln with those of Dwight D. Eisenhower. And from slavery and secession to remorseless opposition to everything from Reconstruction to the anti-lynching laws, the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments, the Civil Rights Act of 1875, and the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960, there exists a similarly identifiable line connecting John Calhoun and Lyndon Baines Johnson. Supporting civil-rights reform was not a radical turnaround for congressional Republicans in 1964, but it was a radical turnaround for Johnson and the Democrats.
Willaimson wrote a follow-on piece yesterday, but I am not going to quote that second article yet, as I'm reading it now and have not finished it.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 9:45:50am |
re: #497 sattv4u2
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]
A horde of masked figures stormed the restaurant in a single-file line, wielding bats, claw hammers and metal batons — their presence announced when one shouted, “‘Hey, bitches, the ARA is going to f--- up this place.’ ”Well ,, at least they were in single file!!! Shows some semblance of order!!!
That is just flat crazy. ARA? This is going to get really ugly if that organization is not stopped and dissolved.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 26, 2012 9:46:51am |
At work
Broadcasting a soccer match ,,, Switzerland vs Germany
I get a tad nervous when I hear the announcer say
",, and Germany attacks" !!!
///
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Kronocide Sat, May 26, 2012 9:47:55am |
re: #464 It's a cookbook!
That they call it the "Make My Day" law makes my skin crawl.
For others it's called an Ego Erection.
AKA Justified Yippee KiYah Motherfuckerism
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 26, 2012 9:48:20am |
re: #499 Daniel Ballard
That is just flat crazy. ARA? This is going to get really ugly if that organization is not stopped and dissolved.
Just a bunch of "yutes" on summer vacation!
/
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HappyWarrior Sat, May 26, 2012 9:49:26am |
Glad the SPLC calls the ARA out. Fighting racism is worthy goal, what these guys do is thuggery.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 9:50:59am |
re: #499 Daniel Ballard
That is just flat crazy. ARA? This is going to get really ugly if that organization is not stopped and dissolved.
Of course that's if it was actually them. Hard to say with masked terrorists. But yeah, I'd agree this is a group that needs to go bye-bye.
This also provides an instance of why Illinois No-CCW policy is a bad thing. Whoever they were would not have been quite so happy if their ball bats were opposed by 9x19 JHP.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 9:51:03am |
re: #503 HappyWarrior
Glad the SPLC calls the ARA out. Fighting racism is worthy goal, what these guys do is thuggery.
Quite Concur.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 9:51:56am |
re: #498 Dark_Falcon
's Kevin D. williamson takes on the issue of the GOP and race:
The Party of Civil RightsWillaimson wrote a follow-on piece yesterday, but I am not going to quote that second article yet, as I'm reading it now and have not finished it.
Historical cherry-picking that makes no real difference in 2012. If I had been alive in TR's time I would have been a Republican. Since FDR's time I've been a Democrat. The question is, what are the parties doing after November?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 9:52:49am |
re: #504 William Barnett-Lewis
Of course that's if it was actually them. Hard to say with masked terrorists.
This also provides an instance of why Illinois No-CCW policy is a bad thing. Whoever they were would not have been quite so happy if their ball bats were opposed by 9x19 JHP.
Agreed and favorited.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 9:53:18am |
re: #504 William Barnett-Lewis
Of course that's if it was actually them. Hard to say with masked terrorists.
This also provides an instance of why Illinois No-CCW policy is a bad thing. Whoever they were would not have been quite so happy if their ball bats were opposed by 9x19 JHP.
Unless they had brought good proletarian AKs.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 9:53:28am |
re: #506 Decatur Deb
Historical cherry-picking that makes no real difference in 2012. If I had been alive in TR's time I would have been a Republican. Since FDR's time I've been a Democrat. The question is, what are the parties doing after November?
Plus Jonah has that fantasy life that requires equating the Fascists with Leftists. Hard to take him seriously until he repudiates that.
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HappyWarrior Sat, May 26, 2012 9:54:26am |
Honestly, re: Civil Rights, I think it's better to look at it as modernism/liberalism versus defending the old says/conservatism. No one party deserves credit ultimately for Civil Rights but I do think that civil rights is a virtue that many liberals from both parties embraced.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 9:54:51am |
re: #509 William Barnett-Lewis
Plus Jonah has that fantasy life that requires equating the Fascists with Leftists. Hard to take him seriously until he repudiates that.
Was that Jonah Goldberg? Could have saved a read.
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HappyWarrior Sat, May 26, 2012 9:57:02am |
re: #509 William Barnett-Lewis
Plus Jonah has that fantasy life that requires equating the Fascists with Leftists. Hard to take him seriously until he repudiates that.
Much agreed. Author also ignores that FDR's so called black cabinet gave many African Americans a voice that hadn't had before and Truman desegregated the military. The thing to me is the Democrats seem to have gotten better about civil rights with time. With some exceptions, I don't see that with the Republicans and the nasty reactions to the president's declaration of support for marriage equality I think show that.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 9:59:21am |
re: #511 Decatur Deb
Was that Jonah Goldberg? Could have saved a read.
Looking again, not by him but using him as a positive example. I just saw the name and went into TL:DR mode.
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William of Orange Sat, May 26, 2012 10:00:50am |
What a great state Tennessee is!!
Cops Can Confiscate Money And Property From Law Abiding Citizens
Prepare to be outraged. If you've ever traveled with a large sum of money, police can legally confiscate it. It's a burgeoning trend known as "policing for profit," and law enforcement agencies are using it to bolster their budgets.
George Reby, a New Jersey-based insurance adjuster was pulled over for speeding while driving through Putnam County, Tenn. several months ago. The officer who pinched him asked him if he had any money, asked to search the car, and took more than $20,000 in cash from Reby.
Reby didn't see his money for four months, but that's because he was proactive. In many cases, law enforcement agencies keep confiscated property indefinitely, even if the person they took it from was not guilty of any crime. Property seizures — known officially as civil asset forfeitures — aren't limited to cash. Cars and other property can be taken, too, with money often going directly into the seizing agency's budget. There are documented cases of law enforcement using funds inappropriately, ala Boss Hogg.
How are they able to do this? Simple: large sums of money mean drug trafficking. Obviously. I mean who would carry $6,000 in a briefcase under the seat unless they were going to use it to buy a bunch of coke?
Larry Bates, the officer who took Reby's money, wrote in his affidavit that he found the money wrapped in small bundles bound with rubber bands, a "common trend for someone who is in the drug trade." He also said that Reby was acting suspiciously, and that a computer background check showed that Reby had been arrested for possession of cocaine 20 years ago (although he was not convicted). These "clues" were what led our Tennessean Sherlock Holmes to the conclusion that Reby must be involved in some kind of drug operation.
But here's the kicker. NewsChannel5 Investigates has Bates on camera admitting that Reby had told him he was using the money to buy a car. He had even showed the officer eBay searches saved on his computer to prove it. When asked why he did not include this information in his affidavit, Bates looked at the ground like a child just caught stealing cookies, and muttered, "I don't know."
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HappyWarrior Sat, May 26, 2012 10:02:25am |
Goldberg's calling left wingers fascists totally ignores the fact that fascism's biggest opponents in the 20's and 30's were moderate socialist parties and communist parties. It's not without good reason that the famous poem by Pastor Niemoller names "communists and trade unionists." Is fascism the same as conservatism, no, but liberalism isn't the same as socialism or even communism.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 10:03:21am |
re: #513 William Barnett-Lewis
Looking again, not by him but using him as a positive example. I just saw the name and went into TL:DR mode.
Don't, Williamson is an excellent writer and his smacking down of Grover Norquist is an outstanding read.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:03:23am |
re: #514 William of Orange
Guy's lucky his kid didn't drop a roach under the floormats.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 10:03:56am |
re: #498 Dark_Falcon
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The Lily-White Movement was an anti-civil-rights movement within the Republican Party in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The movement was a response to the political and socioeconomic gains made by African-Americans following the Civil War and the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which eliminated slavery. Black leaders gained increasing influence in the party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative white groups attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party.
The term Lily-White Movement is generally attributed to Texas Republican leader Norris Wright Cuney who used the term in an 1888 Republican convention to describe efforts by white conservatives to oust blacks from positions of Texas party leadership and incite riots to divide the party.[1] The term came to be used nationally to describe this ongoing movement as it further developed in the early 20th century.[2] Localized movements began immediately after the war but by the beginning of the 20th century the effort had become national.
According to author and professor Michael K. Fauntroy,
"The lily white movement is one of the darkest and underexamined eras of US Republicanism."[3]
This movement is largely credited with driving blacks out of the Republican party during the early 20th century, setting the stage for their eventual support of the Democrats.[...]
Downfall of black Republicans
By the beginning of the 20th century black political influence was in freefall. During the first three decades of the 20th century blacks were excluded from the U.S. Congress.[10] As the 1920s came the movement had largely succeeded in establishing almost total white supremacy in the party. Numerous events point to this fact such as the barring of black leaders from the Virginia Republican Congressional Convention in 1922.[11]
One of the Black and Tan partisans who continued to hold appointed office was the customs inspector and later comptroller of customs, Walter L. Cohen of New Orleans, who obtained appointments from four Republican presidents and continued in office through the Calvin Coolidge administration.[12]
During the NAACP national convention in 1926, the delegates expressed their disappointment with the party.
“Our political salvation and our social survival lie in our absolute independence of party allegiance in politics and the casting of our vote for our friends and against our enemies whoever they may be and whatever party labels they carry.”[13]
An interesting historical irony is that, though strengthening the Republican Party in the South was a major motivation of the movement, the party faded to near irrelevance in the South during the early 20th century despite the movement's success.
So in one (and only one) respect he's correct - it wasn't some sudden switch, it took decades. The GOP turned its back to blacks in late 19th-early 20th century. Certainly at that time Dem Party's back was turned too, as it was long before that. It took several decades for the Dems to slowly begin turning towards blacks, with the conservatives fleeing to the GOP, which stood its newfound racist ground. The Southern Strategy thus was not so much a change of course as an amplification of the pre-existing course.
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William of Orange Sat, May 26, 2012 10:04:58am |
re: #518 Decatur Deb
Guy's lucky his kid didn't drop a roach under the floormats.
Great if you get pulled over after a lucky strike in Las Vegas...
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 10:06:49am |
re: #514 William of Orange
Wee said. Take a look at routes toward Tucson in February The gemshow is international in scope. For dealers of precious metals and gems cash is king, the way to the most competitive advantage. Tucson PD and Az DHS ges it no problem. But what if you have only gotten as far as some nearby state? You might be driving because flying with cash is even worse. Try getting it back from that alphabet soup of acronyms.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 10:09:15am |
re: #520 William of Orange
Great if you get pulled over after a lucky strike in Las Vegas...
Then you'd best get a cashier's check or a debit card. This issue has been coming up for years and most attempts to deal with it get hammered into the ground.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:09:22am |
re: #521 Daniel Ballard
Wee said. Take a look at routes toward Tucson in February The gemshow is international in scope. For dealers of precious metals and gems cash is king, the way to the most competitive advantage. Tucson PD and Az DHS ges it no problem. But what if you have only gotten as far as some nearby state? You might be driving because flying with cash is even worse. Try getting it back from that alphabet soup of acronyms.
Isn't there some safe certified-check magic that would keep dealers from being prey for cops and robbers?
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 10:09:37am |
re: #521 Daniel Ballard
Wee said. Take a look at routes toward Tucson in February The gemshow is international in scope. For dealers of precious metals and gems cash is king, the way to the most competitive advantage. Tucson PD and Az DHS ges it no problem. But what if you have only gotten as far as some nearby state? You might be driving because flying with cash is even worse. Try getting it back from that alphabet soup of acronyms.
I have friends who work the high end gunshow circuit. Imagine them getting pulled over with thousands of dollars and half a dozen rifles?
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:13:06am |
re: #524 William Barnett-Lewis
I have friends who work the high end gunshow circuit. Imagine them getting pulled over with thousands of dollars and half a dozen rifles?
Does folding green give an advantage at a gun show? Still looking for a clean carbine.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 10:13:21am |
re: #523 Decatur Deb
Not really. Nothing closes a deal with someone you may or may not know like the greenback. Frankly some of the dealers are maneuvering to keep their tax/fees low back at the home country. From places as sane as Canada (Diamonds) to places as backward and violent as Afghanistan. See these beauties!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 26, 2012 10:13:36am |
re: #520 William of Orange
Great if you get pulled over after a lucky strike in Las Vegas...
Other answer: Have an account with a national bank like Chase or Bank of America, so you have a way to deposit the cash quickly.
BBL
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 10:15:01am |
What should one say about cops if the same standard is used as for OWS?
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:15:35am |
re: #526 Daniel Ballard
Not really. Nothing closes a deal with someone you may or may not know like the greenback. Frankly some of the dealers are maneuvering to keep their tax/fees low back at the home country. From places as sane as Canada (Diamonds) to places as backward and violent as Afghanistan. See these beauties!
I meant making a check out to yourself to pick up cash transported by pros with guns and armor. Probably wouldn't help with taxes, though. It should make the life insurance carrier happier.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 10:16:29am |
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dragonath Sat, May 26, 2012 10:17:35am |
re: #519 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Hoover lost a big chunk of the black vote in the aftermath of the Mississippi River flooding cleanup. I think the real turning point for the Republicans came somewhere in the 30s, when opposition to FDR and the war brought them into alliance with conservative Southern democrats, proto-Bircher isolationists, and religious fundamentalists.
Robert Taft was the leader of the party during this time. I think it was lucky for the US that Eisenhower was able to turn him back (and by extension, the isolationists) at the 1952 convention.
| 532 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:19:10am |
re: #526 Daniel Ballard
...snip See these beauties!
Lived down the street from the NY Natural History Museum collection. Was there when Murph the Surf lifted the Star of India. Security depended on the honor system.
| 533 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 10:20:19am |
re: #525 Decatur Deb
Does folding green give an advantage at a gun show? Still looking for a clean carbine.
Haven't been to one where they'll take anything else. M1 Carbine?
| 534 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 10:20:28am |
re: #529 Decatur Deb
I meant making a check out to yourself to pick up cash transported by pros with guns and armor. Probably wouldn't help with taxes, though. It should make the life insurance carrier happier.
Diamond guys might take cash to buy rough and come back empty handed, the diamonds are sent via Brinks or similar international carrier. Now there we really have an old rich tradition of cash and handshakes rather than contracts and checks. It's changing but slowly. The Orthodox Jewish tend to stick with tradition. Every once in a while we hear about a guy that literally shipped cash and gets in trouble. The Indian diamond traders learned a lot from their predecessors. Now their national heritage is gold for payment but thats another story. They too hew to cash as unuestionable.
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abolitionist Sat, May 26, 2012 10:20:49am |
re: #482 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
But we're not talking about who was racist back then, but about the dynamics. The simple fact (of which I was admittedly ignorant) is that it is at this time the GOP began to discriminate against blacks in its midst (earlier the only elected black politicians were notably Republican, which points to a much healthier relationship between blacks and whites in the GOP than in the Democratic party of the time). So there was an overlap of several decades when the GOP and the Dems were comparably racist, but it was an overlap with different vectors - while Dems were getting less racist, and slowly shedding their segregationists to the GOP, the GOP was getting more racist (or stayed at the same level), and shedded blacks, while accepting the Dixiecrats.
And the breakpoint was the period I pointed to.
Concerning the dynamics, I found this interesting.
Lily-White Politics
by Benjamin R. Justesen, 2006
See also: Black and Tan Constitution.
"Lily-white politics" was a term popularly used from the 1890s until the 1930s to describe the views of advocates of an all-white Republican Party in the South. Formed in the 1850s as an antislavery organization, the Republican Party had come to power in North Carolina and other southern states after the Civil War with the help of the votes of newly enfranchised former slaves. By the 1890s, however, the party was losing ground to Democrats under the relentless attack of white supremacists. Only North Carolina, which elected a Republican governor and a Fusion legislature dominated by Republicans and Populists in 1896, remained truly competitive, although its presidential vote was consistently Democratic. North Carolinian Jeter C. Pritchard, the region's only Republican U.S. senator, indirectly owed his two elections to black support, since more than half of the state's Republican Party membership was African American. The South's last black legislators served in the North Carolina General Assembly until 1901; the nation's last black congressman of the nineteenth century, George Henry White, served the state's Second District from 1897 to 1901.
As the number of eligible black voters dwindled across the South, lily-white factions in southern states began to battle the traditional "black and tan," or biracial, wing of the Republican Party. After his first election in 1896, Republican president William McKinley unsuccessfully attempted to increase his party's standing in the region by reaching out to white voters during two southern tours. As lily whites became more powerful, national pressure mounted to end the party's dependence on black votes; this was particularly true in North Carolina, which in 1900 was preparing to follow the example of Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina by disfranchising illiterate black voters.
[snip]
(Bolding is mine)
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:21:21am |
re: #533 William Barnett-Lewis
Haven't been to one where they'll take anything else. M1 Carbine?
Yeah. I'm going to Anniston next week. Might stop by the CMP sales if the grandkids turn me loose.
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HappyWarrior Sat, May 26, 2012 10:21:39am |
re: #531 Be Zorch, Daddio
Hoover lost a big chunk of the black vote in the aftermath of the Mississippi River flooding cleanup. I think the real turning point for the Republicans came somewhere in the 30s, when opposition to FDR and the war brought them into alliance with conservative Southern democrats, proto-Bircher isolationists, and religious fundamentalists.
Robert Taft was the leader of the party during this time. I think it was lucky for the US that Eisenhower was able to turn him back (and by extension, the isolationists) at the 1952 convention.
Good points. Taft not surprisingly is someone spoken with approval by Ron Paul. But even Taft- "Mr. Republican" was more flexible than Paul when it came to government projects. I also don't think Taft was a bigot. Greatly misinformed about foreign affairs, yes, but from what I know about the man, I don't think he was a bigot.
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HappyWarrior Sat, May 26, 2012 10:22:06am |
This is the first I had ever heard of the Lily-White movement. Interesting stuff.
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Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:24:33am |
re: #534 Daniel Ballard
Diamond guys might take cash to buy rough and come back empty handed, the diamonds are sent via Brinks or similar international carrier. Now there we really have an old rich tradition of cash and handshakes rather than contracts and checks. It's changing but slowly. The Orthodox Jewish tend to stick with tradition. Every once in a while we hear about a guy that literally shipped cash and gets in trouble.
The Hope diamond was once sent from NYC to DC via US Postal Service.
| 540 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 10:26:16am |
re: #536 Decatur Deb
Yeah. I'm going to Anniston next week. Might stop by the CMP sales if the grandkids turn me loose.
Good luck. The only ones on their website are worn out Bavarian police returns and even those are "CMP auction only". Lot's of Garands though - feel free to pick one up for me ;)
I keep wishing they'd find another cache of M1917's. Now that was a sweet rifle.
| 541 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:30:25am |
re: #540 William Barnett-Lewis
Good luck. The only ones on their website are worn out Bavarian police returns and even those are "CMP auction only". Lot's of Garands though - feel free to pick one up for me ;)
I keep wishing they'd find another cache of M1917's. Now that was a sweet rifle.
Yeah--some stuff came back from a S. American lend-lease, and it was crapped out. I need to learn more about their grading system. Most guys on line are concerned with collectibility, and I just want a mid-range shooter.
Don't need a 300yd rifle for 100yd eyes.
| 542 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 10:31:49am |
re: #539 Decatur Deb
The Hope diamond was once sent from NYC to DC via US Postal Service.
I got trade stories from Hill street and tales from my great grandfathers day that would really drop your jaw. But that alas would be over beers not on the net.
| 543 |
sattv4u2 Sat, May 26, 2012 10:33:36am |
re: #542 Daniel Ballard
I got trade stories from Hill street and tales from my great grandfathers day that would really drop your jaw. But that alas would be over beers not on the net.
Isn't there an app for that?
| 544 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 10:34:33am |
re: #541 Decatur Deb
Yeah--some stuff came back from a S. American lend-lease, and it was crapped out. I need to learn more about their grading system. Most guys on line are concerned with collectibility, and I just want a mid-range shooter.
Don't need a 300yd rifle for 100yd eyes.
If it doesn't need to be original to WWII, Auto-Ordinance (aka Kahr) is making a good copy of the Carbine.
[Link: www.auto-ordnance.com...]
Otherwise, Rack grade will give you what you want. That's the kind of Garand I want as a shooter, for example.
| 545 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 10:36:23am |
re: #542 Daniel Ballard
But that alas would be over beers not on the net.
Wouldn't that be over De Beers? ///
| 546 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 10:37:39am |
I like Kos' hatemailpalooza diaries. Wingnuts never fail to mention gay sex. Do they always think about it?
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
| 547 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:38:03am |
re: #544 William Barnett-Lewis
If it doesn't need to be original to WWII, Auto-Ordinance (aka Kahr) is making a good copy of the Carbine.
[Link: www.auto-ordnance.com...]
Otherwise, Rack grade will give you what you want. That's the kind of Garand I want as a shooter, for example.
Thanks. I haven't seen any complaints about the honesty of their graders.
(In grade-school we all carried plugged 1903 Springfields daily, and not the balsa junk you see now. Thank god there were no child-abuse hotlines.)
| 548 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 10:42:06am |
| 549 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:42:23am |
re: #544 William Barnett-Lewis
If it doesn't need to be original to WWII, Auto-Ordinance (aka Kahr) is making a good copy of the Carbine.]
Otherwise, Rack grade will give you what you want. That's the kind of Garand I want as a shooter, for example.
That's very clean, even has the side-sling. I'll check some reviews.
| 550 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:43:34am |
re: #548 Daniel Ballard
LOL. It's a faceted issue.
After a few DeBeers, you have to watch for cleavage.
| 551 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 10:43:42am |
| 552 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 10:45:19am |
| 553 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:46:51am |
re: #552 Daniel Ballard
Or get emohstional about it.
I'm no musician, but after of DeBeers I can rockwell.
| 554 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 10:47:05am |
| 555 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 10:47:50am |
Going to get a bit rocky in this thread isn't it?
| 557 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 10:48:22am |
re: #554 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
True, a pearl of wisdom.
Indeed, a cultured point of view on the scale of things.
| 558 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:48:32am |
re: #555 William Barnett-Lewis
Going to get a bit rocky in this thread isn't it?
It'll take some bearing.
| 559 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 10:49:03am |
re: #555 William Barnett-Lewis
Going to get a bit rocky in this thread isn't it?
Ivory about that too.
| 560 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 10:50:13am |
| 561 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:50:15am |
re: #559 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Ivory about that too.
Jewel puns on a Russian accent--that's just Fab.
| 562 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 10:51:44am |
re: #561 Decatur Deb
Jewel puns on a Russian accent--that's just Fab.
Better than a Talk Like a Pyrite day!
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 26, 2012 10:52:39am |
re: #562 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Better than a Talk Like a Pyrite day!
It took stones to come up with that one!
| 564 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 10:53:40am |
| 565 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 10:53:57am |
Gem puns. Gee you should have mentioned something. I have a GIA Diamond Cert.
| 566 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:54:01am |
| 570 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 10:59:35am |
re: #567 PhillyPretzel
I have to appetite for that.
Need to know more to get that one. I'll reflect on it for a while.
| 571 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 10:59:49am |
| 574 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 11:01:16am |
re: #572 mattand
I have a low appraisal of these gem jokes.
Yeah--that last one knocked me for a loupe.
| 577 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 11:02:49am |
I think we need more clarity for these cutting remarks.
| 578 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:02:52am |
OK, OK, we need to polish our jokes more.
| 579 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 11:02:52am |
re: #575 mattand
It not only made the cut it hit the pavilion
| 580 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 11:03:03am |
| 581 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:03:22am |
re: #578 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
OK, OK, we need to polish our jokes more.
(Slow transition to ethnic puns...)
| 582 |
sattv4u2 Sat, May 26, 2012 11:04:04am |
| 583 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 11:04:12am |
re: #581 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
(Slow transition to ethnic puns...)
The best polish comes from Poland.
| 584 |
Mattand Sat, May 26, 2012 11:04:15am |
re: #579 PhillyPretzel
It not only made the cut it hit the pavilion
I don't get it but I'll upvote it anwyway; you obviously know what you're talking about.
| 585 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 11:04:34am |
re: #580 William Barnett-Lewis
Most of these are about as porous as lava.
| 586 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:04:59am |
| 587 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 11:05:42am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:06:10am |
re: #585 PhillyPretzel
Most of these are about as porous as lava.
Lava is Russian down the rocky slope.
| 590 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:07:13am |
| 591 |
Mattand Sat, May 26, 2012 11:08:21am |
re: #581 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
(Slow transition to ethnic puns...)
I will not Dane to make any more lame puns.
| 592 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 11:08:53am |
Harry Winston tell me all about it. Marilyn Monroe in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes
| 593 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 11:10:35am |
re: #592 PhillyPretzel
Diamond in ring sez "I'm all set now".
| 594 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:10:51am |
| 595 |
Mattand Sat, May 26, 2012 11:11:33am |
| 596 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 11:12:17am |
re: #593 Daniel Ballard
I am set now but a couple of rubies as friends would be nice.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:13:16am |
| 599 |
Mattand Sat, May 26, 2012 11:19:46am |
| 600 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 11:23:02am |
Is there any way to embed music from Spotify? Don't know how else to post something like Rick Wakeman doing a David Bowie song.
| 602 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:23:42am |
| 603 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 11:29:42am |
re: #601 PhillyPretzel
I'm Balkan at that.
| 604 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 11:30:38am |
re: #600 Daniel Ballard
Is there any way to embed music from Spotify? Don't know how else to post something like Rick Wakeman doing a David Bowie song.
Oy! Which song?
| 606 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 11:33:04am |
re: #604 William Barnett-Lewis
Just the free version has changed how I get my music.
Oy! Which song?
Space Oddity/Life on Mars
[Link: open.spotify.com...]
| 607 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:33:46am |
| 608 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:34:15am |
| 609 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 11:34:36am |
re: #607 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Oh the Swiss missed!
| 611 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, May 26, 2012 11:38:14am |
re: #606 Daniel Ballard
Just the free version has changed how I get my music.
Space Oddity/Life on Mars
[Link: open.spotify.com...]
For some reason I can image that easier than some other ones...
| 612 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:38:43am |
| 613 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, May 26, 2012 11:40:23am |
re: #612 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
:::giving Zuul milk ::: Milk is spiked.
| 614 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:41:56am |
re: #613 PhillyPretzel
ZZZZZZ
| 616 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:47:45am |
| 617 |
sattv4u2 Sat, May 26, 2012 11:48:49am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:52:13am |
| 619 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, May 26, 2012 11:53:29am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, May 26, 2012 11:55:30am |
| 622 |
sattv4u2 Sat, May 26, 2012 12:10:44pm |
Great googily moogily
Just had a transmitter fault. Thank GOD it's a back-up to a fulltime service
Ah well
BBIAB
| 623 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, May 26, 2012 12:30:48pm |
re: #382 Mich-again
North Carolina Baptist Pastor: Put Gays And Lesbians In Electrified Pen To Kill Them Off
I know Mitt Romney won't have a thing to say about this. The strategy is Mitt on Mute when there is a nutjob like this campaigning for him from the pulpit.
Its sickening to me that the US taxpayers subsidize this crap by providing a tax-exempt status for their "place of worship".
ho ho it's a game! Sport for old guys!
| 624 |
Decatur Deb Sat, May 26, 2012 12:37:54pm |
re: #623 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]
ho ho it's a game! Sport for old guys!
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