Mitt Romney: I Need People Like Donald Trump

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In possibly the most pathetic illustration yet of the Republican Party’s descent into madness, Mitt Romney says he needs the support of whacked out Birthers like Donald Trump.

“You know, I don’t agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don’t all agree with everything I believe in,” Romney said. “But I need to get 50.1% or more and I’m appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people.”

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1 Interesting Times  Mon, May 28, 2012 7:57:25pm
2 Lidane  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:01:38pm

Of course Romney needs the birthers. He wants to win and they're the default in the GOP base, not the fringe.

He knows he needs the birther freaks. The day he condemns them or calls them out is the day after he concedes the election to Barack Obama. Won't happen anytime soon.

3 Mich-again  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:02:21pm

Like I said yesterday, the explanation the Romney camp gave for not rejecting Trump for being a birther means that there is no standard and anything goes. Pam Gellar, c'mon down. Fred Phelps, we got room for you too! Don Black? We've been waiting for ya!

4 bratwurst  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:03:43pm

re: #3 Mich-again

Like I said yesterday, the explanation the Romney camp gave for not rejecting Trump for being a birther means that there is no standard and anything goes. Pam Gellar, c'mon down. Fred Phelps, we got room for you too! Don Black? We've been waiting for ya!

Take THAT people who bemoan the end of the GOP "big tent"!

5 dragonath  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:04:07pm

Next: Romney goes for the schizophreniac vote so he can automatically double his support.

6 jaunte  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:04:27pm

Sun Myung Moon, Peter Caddy, Bruce Hales, David Miscavige, everyone into the hot tub.

7 Kragar  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:08:08pm

Its guys like Mitt which give unprincipled fucktards a bad name.

8 jhncsy  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:12:08pm

The GOP's big tent has room for everyone except sane and rational people.

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:15:43pm

How many 'people like Donald Trump' are there?

10 jaunte  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:17:15pm

Gaze too long into Trump's hair, and the hair gazes back into you.

11 Targetpractice  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:19:40pm

re: #8 jhncsy

The GOP's big tent has room for everyone except sane and rational people.

We got kicked out to make room for the loons.

12 Kragar  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:20:53pm

"I’m appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people."

Trump isn't good people.

13 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:25:38pm

Being anti Obama is all there is.

14 Kragar  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:26:58pm

re: #13 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Being anti Obama is all there is.

That is all Romney has to work with.

15 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:28:20pm

re: #14 Kragar

That is all Romney has to work with.

That's all these fucktards have. His record? So middle of the road. His personality? So level, so fricken beep beep. They can only make shit up.

16 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:29:30pm

I think Mitt Rmoney is a creepy, lying, pandering, soulless fraud who lacks any genuine principles or beliefs, but this is not a Rmoney problem. This is a GOP problem. Polls consistently show that the majority of Republicans are birthers. In this case its the party and not just the candidate. A GOP candidate who doesn't embrace birthers would be like a Democratic candidate rejecting people who support reproductive rights. Birtherism is a part of the GOP now. It's an article of faith and while it may (or should cost him) other voters, he can't tell birthers to kiss off. They are the majority of the party. I don't expect the GOP nominee to be any better than his party. I think Barack Obama is very good representation of the mainstream of his party and Rmoney is trying to be the same thing for his.

17 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:29:50pm

Willard is going to try to win with a coalition-----a coalition of the rapacious, the feeble-minded, and the clinically insane.

Worse yet, he might win.

18 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:31:46pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

We got kicked out to make room for the loons.

Don't kid yourself. The loons have been there since the 1960s when you picked up the dixiecrats, they have only now reached critical mass while you were trying to pretend they didn't exist and weren't as awful as they really were.

19 Kragar  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:31:51pm

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel

Willard is going to try to win with a coalition---a coalition of the rapacious, the feeble-minded, and the clinically insane.

Birther? Neo-Nazi? Radical Fundamentalist? Science Denier? No problem, we've got a candidate for you!

20 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:32:28pm

re: #14 Kragar

That is all Romney has to work with.

It may be all he needs. Let us pray to FSM that it isn't.

21 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:33:00pm

Recipe share, the best of Memorial Day.

Raw white corn, sliced off the cob. Light grape tomatoes (light, like 5). Feta cheese, basil= a lot. Olive oil, salt & peppa. Summer beaut.

22 freetoken  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:38:47pm

Romney also needs people like... Meg Whitman:

MEG WHITMAN HOSTING ROMNEY FUNDRAISER

23 Ogami Itto  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:43:55pm
The former Massachusetts governor's fundraiser is co-chaired by billionaire Meg Whitman, his former employee at Bain Capital and the 2010 Republican candidate for California governor who promised to produce 2 million new jobs if elected. Now Whitman is CEO of Hewlett-Packard, which said last week it plans to lay off 25,000 workers.

Apparently Meg Whitman and Romney have at least one thing in common: they both like firing people.

24 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:44:12pm

re: #22 freetoken

Romney also needs people like... Meg Whitman:

MEG WHITMAN HOSTING ROMNEY FUNDRAISER

You know sometimes I get really scared about all of the superpac money rightwing billionaires are trying to buy the election for Rmoney with. Then I think about how much of her money Meg so foolishly spent in her failed attempt to but the governorship of CA and I feel better.

25 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:45:31pm

re: #23 Ogami Itto

Apparently Meg Whitman and Romney have at least one thing in common: they both like firing people.

No, no, no. Joe Scarboro says its "creative destruction".

26 jaunte  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:52:35pm

re: #23 Ogami Itto

Continued fallout from Carly Fiorina:
[Link: news.cnet.com...]

27 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:56:42pm

Watching The Great Escape. Awesome weekend of tv movies.

28 Interesting Times  Mon, May 28, 2012 8:58:10pm

re: #3 Mich-again

Pam Gellar, c'mon down. Fred Phelps, we got room for you too! Don Black? We've been waiting for ya!

re: #6 jaunte

everyone into the hot tub.

What is the most demented Photoshop ever? :)

now to figure out who else I should put in there...

29 Targetpractice  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:05:06pm

re: #18 moderatelyradicalliberal

Don't kid yourself. The loons have been there since the 1960s when you picked up the dixiecrats, they have only now reached critical mass while you were trying to pretend they didn't exist and weren't as awful as they really were.

I only came into GOP ranks after 9/11, I was apolitical prior to then. But you're right, I fooled myself for years, trying to convince myself (with limited success) that the loons were a fringe, that nobody really listened to them.

Then Obama got elected and no amount of self-delusion could make the loons any less visible.

30 freetoken  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:16:19pm

U.S. Citizen Fined for Violation of Russia’s Migration Rules

Migration authorities in the Sakhalin Region in Russia’s Far East have fined a lecturer from the United States over violation of Russia’s migration laws, a regional migration official told RIA Novosti on Tuesday.

Kevin Puleo arrived in Russia on May 21 on an invitation by the U.S. Consulate General in Vladivostok to make presentations in Vladivostok and Sakhalin about volunteerism in the United States.

“The decision to issue a fine in the amount of 3,000 rubles (about $100) has been made because of a discrepancy between his [Puleo’s] stated purpose of the visit and his actual activities,” the official said.

According to Sakhalin’s Migration Office, Puleo entered Russia on a tourist visa, which does not allow lecturing or teaching activities. However, the American volunteerism activist gave lectures on the subject at an educational institution in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk.

The authorities have also received information about his intent to meet with local opposition leaders to lecture them on civil campaigning techniques.

Puleo is a National Regional Director at Organizing for America (OFA), a community organizing project founded in 2009 to mobilize supporters in favor of U.S. President Barack Obama's legislative priorities.

But... but... I thought Obama was for the communists?

I iz so confused.

31 ProGunLiberal  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:16:48pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

My first experiences with Republicans wasn't the looniness. It was the malice.

32 erik_t  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:18:24pm
You know, I don’t agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don’t all agree with everything I believe in.

Reminder: this is all that the lamestream librul media requires from Mitt Romney. They will speak no further about Trump's birtherness, or any other absurdity.

Now, back to breathless coverage of Bill Ayers or Reverend Wright or Whatever!

33 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:20:09pm

Memorial Day: 2012

Taps

35 [deleted]  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:25:43pm
36 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:27:52pm

629 tweet/twit/twitter comments downstairs.

You guys did a marvelous job.

37 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:29:26pm

re: #36 Ghost of Insanity

629 tweet/twit/twitter comments downstairs.

You guys did a marvelous job.

And it's only Tweeten-thirty.

38 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:30:54pm

re: #35 Channeling Confucius

Has anyone noticed that we seem to be having, every couple of months, a great festival of phony patriotism and hypocrisy? The other day I was thinking that it felt like we'd moved to Japan, and it was 1935.

I haven't. Myself, I think about patriotism rather frequently.

39 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:31:26pm

re: #28 Interesting Times

re: #6 jaunte

What is the most demented Photoshop ever? :)

now to figure out who else I should put in there...

I will never again get into a hot tub.

40 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:32:26pm

re: #39 Ghost of Insanity

I will never again get into a hot tub.

41 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:33:28pm

re: #35 Channeling Confucius

Has anyone noticed that we seem to be having, every couple of months, a great festival of phony patriotism and hypocrisy? The other day I was thinking that it felt like we'd moved to Japan, and it was 1935.

Today in particular it would be abnormal not to have a lot of flags out and talk about patriotism and tributes to our soldiers.

It's Memorial Day.

42 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:34:21pm

re: #37 Gus

And it's only Tweeten-thirty.

So, you're in the same time zone as me.
Synchronized evil is the best.

43 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:35:08pm

re: #42 Ghost of Insanity

So, you're in the same time zone as me.
Synchronized evil is the best.

Yep. Better live now before the big off switch clicks in.

44 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:35:58pm

Damn that Berlin video is funny.

45 freetoken  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:38:07pm

re: #35 Channeling Confucius

Has anyone noticed that we seem to be having, every couple of months, a great festival of phony patriotism and hypocrisy?

I've not noticed it at the frequency which you suggest.

I will say that the flurry of patriotic fluff that surfaces now and again happens fairly often - all during my lifetime that I can remember.

It's probably a universal human theme. Tribalism through symbols, and all that.

46 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:38:08pm

re: #40 Gus

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Thanks for that. As heavy metalish as I am, I had a 'thing' for Berlin in the '80s.

47 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:39:29pm

re: #45 freetoken

I've not noticed it at the frequency which you suggest.

I will say that the flurry of patriotic fluff that surfaces now and again happens fairly often - all during my lifetime that I can remember.

It's probably a universal human theme. Tribalism through symbols, and all that.

And how do you feel about that?

48 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:42:32pm

re: #46 Ghost of Insanity

Thanks for that. As heavy metalish as I am, I had a 'thing' for Berlin in the '80s.

Like unt cashmere black turtleneck and Bauhaus.

//

49 prairiefire  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:43:14pm

re: #46 Ghost of Insanity

They are not very heavy metalish. How do you feel about "Lady In Red?"

50 ProGunLiberal  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:45:40pm

I am watch "Bad Wolf" second to last episode of the 9th Doctor.

I hope humanity doesn't get that depraved anytime soon.

51 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:46:50pm

re: #49 prairiefire

They are not very heavy metalish. How do you feel about "Lady In Red?"

I meant, in spite of my Led Zep, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Uriah Heap, ... musical tastes, I also loved Berlin.

They/she was my guilty pleasure.

52 prairiefire  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:48:05pm

re: #51 Ghost of Insanity

Ok, your cred still stands.

53 ProGunLiberal  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:48:19pm

re: #51 Ghost of Insanity

Got Berlin on my MP3.

I have almost 1100 songs though, so that doesn't say much.

54 freetoken  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:49:09pm

re: #47 Ghost of Insanity

And how do you feel about that?

It's what it is - being human.

55 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:49:31pm

re: #51 Ghost of Insanity

I meant, in spite of my Led Zep, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Uriah Heap, ... musical tastes, I also loved Berlin.

They/she was my guilty pleasure.

56 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:49:47pm

re: #53 ProGunLiberal

Got Berlin on my MP3.

I have almost 1100 songs though, so that doesn't say much.

I have tapes. I have 8 track tapes.

57 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:51:10pm

re: #56 Ghost of Insanity

I have tapes. I have 8 track tapes.

I can write words with pencil and paper!

//

58 Kragar  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:52:20pm

re: #50 ProGunLiberal

I am watch "Bad Wolf" second to last episode of the 9th Doctor.

I hope humanity doesn't get that depraved anytime soon.

I liked Eccleston. I wish he had stayed a bit longer than the one season.

59 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:52:30pm

re: #55 Gus

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My main axe is a Peavey Eddie Van Halen Wolfgang.

60 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:52:30pm
61 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:53:34pm

re: #60 Gus

This is always cool.

The Cult - She Sells Sanctuary

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Another great band.

62 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:53:53pm

re: #59 Ghost of Insanity

My main axe is a Peavey Eddie Van Halen Wolfgang.

I used to play. Guess that's over. [Shrug] My heart is with Paul Reed Smith.

63 Kragar  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:54:07pm

Brendon Small - Thunderhorse

64 ProGunLiberal  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:56:03pm

re: #58 Kragar

Yeah, he was fantastic!

Unfortunately, it seems the Producers were dicks.

65 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:56:06pm

re: #63 Kragar

Brendon Small - Thunderhorse

[Embedded content]

Arpeggio nation!

66 dragonath  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:56:31pm

re: #59 Ghost of Insanity

Peavey Eddie Van Halen Wolfgang

That would make an awesome name for somebody

67 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:58:51pm

re: #62 Gus

I used to play. Guess that's over. [Shrug] My heart is with Paul Reed Smith.

I have two desires, a gold les paul, and a PRS santana II.
Why is playing over?

68 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 9:59:30pm

re: #67 Ghost of Insanity

I have two desires, a gold les paul, and a PRS santana II.
Why is playing over?

I don't have 3 grand for a PRS.

69 freetoken  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:01:00pm
70 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:01:34pm

re: #68 Gus

I don't have 3 grand for a PRS.

You have no axe at all?

71 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:01:58pm

re: #70 Ghost of Insanity

You have no axe at all?

Si.

72 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:02:57pm

re: #71 Gus

Si.

Do you prefer electric or acoustic?

73 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:04:33pm

re: #72 Ghost of Insanity

Do you prefer electric or acoustic?

Electric.

74 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:05:21pm

re: #73 Gus

Electric.

Hmmm.

75 Gus  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:09:25pm

re: #74 Ghost of Insanity

Hmmm.

Started with an acoustic. Creedance Clear Water Revival. I was 8 years old.

Down on the corner. Out in the street.

76 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:09:28pm

re: #65 Gus

Arpeggio nation!

I hate practicing arpeggios.

77 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:14:24pm

re: #75 Gus

Started with an acoustic. Creedance Clear Water Revival. I was 8 years old.

Down on the corner. Out in the street.

I only have two solid body electrics left, my Peavey and my Jackson. I gave the other three away.

78 b_sharp  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:19:46pm

G'night guys.

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:19:59pm

re: #62 Gus

I used to play. Guess that's over. [Shrug] My heart is with Paul Reed Smith.

I bought my guitar for a hundred bucks and I use a DI box to make the most insane noises :D

it's all about the cheap gear

80 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:35:09pm

Good Night, all. Please wish me luck in my work tomorrow.

81 freetoken  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:41:28pm

Arpeggios... sounds like an Italian cured meat...

Not so Italian:

82 Kragar  Mon, May 28, 2012 10:59:22pm

Due to this weekend's game being a bust, we've rescheduled to next weekend and decided to break out the big guns. Going to bust out the Baneblade.

Oh yeah.

83 freetoken  Tue, May 29, 2012 12:04:07am

Here's a replay of one of my favorites, from Monna Bell:

84 boredtechindenver  Tue, May 29, 2012 12:09:51am

Spent all three days of the long weekend doing yardwork/planting. I used over 40 bags of mulch and 6 bags of potting soil/garden soil, removed about 20 yards of landscape fabric and installed 60 yards in another spot, planted 20 tomato plants, 20 mixed chile and sweet pepper plants and 4 planters of mixed flowers (about 10 plants per planter). Next weekend, the landscaper neighbors are going to even out a dip/hill in my front lawn, and clear out all the cut branches/trees and various crap left over from different projects this year.

Now its 1 am and I am tired and sore, and watching "Storage Wars" on the DVR after catching "The Killing" and "Game of Thrones" from last night.

Oh, and SWMBO and I caught MIB3 last night. A very full weekend.

85 Kragar  Tue, May 29, 2012 12:14:05am

Since I had to work late Friday, I don't have to go in till lunch tomorrow.

Yay me.

86 freetoken  Tue, May 29, 2012 12:34:29am
87 CarolJ  Tue, May 29, 2012 1:00:43am

re: #85 Kragar

Not even a whole day off? Something told me I should have taken today off too. But I had Friday off, so I didn't ask for Tuesday. Now I have a boatload of paperwork that needs to be taken care of, and not enough time today to get it all done.

88 researchok  Tue, May 29, 2012 1:19:32am

Morning, all

89 researchok  Tue, May 29, 2012 1:33:20am

In order of preference today...

The jazz piece (86) Sublime

Arpeggios (81) Classic 60's Cool

Mona Bell (83) Iconic

Good stuff.

90 Obdicut  Tue, May 29, 2012 1:51:46am

Something for Joey.

92 Obdicut  Tue, May 29, 2012 3:17:44am

re: #91 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

He stated it inelegantly, and at the wrong moment, but I do wish on Memorial day we focused more-- the way Biden did-- on the fact that so many are dead, so many are maimed. That starting a war means damaging the fuck out of thousands and thousands of our kids, of teenagers and young twenties kids who will never be the same after the shit they see even if they do come back physically whole.

It'd be nice if instead of getting all upset about whether or not we call them heroes, we gave returning vets better medical care and better re-integration into the work force.

Do I think every dead troop is a hero? Only in the most tenuous of senses. Some of them are just poor bastards standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. Makes me think of the stories from the Battle of the Bulge, when new recruits were getting shoved out into the line with no experience, and they would just stand there straight upright during artillery fire not out of bravery but because they had no clue what to do and they'd get cut down like corn.

We're far too divorced from the cost of war. It really is a dangerous thing. And we glorify it too much. I have no problem in celebrating the bravery and sacrifice of soldiers, but I'd rather just not sacrifice them at all.

93 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 29, 2012 3:18:46am

re: #31 ProGunLiberal

My first experiences with Republicans wasn't the looniness. It was the malice.

I found out that myself a couple of years ago.

94 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 29, 2012 3:19:29am

re: #35 Channeling Confucius

Has anyone noticed that we seem to be having, every couple of months, a great festival of phony patriotism and hypocrisy? The other day I was thinking that it felt like we'd moved to Japan, and it was 1935.

It's one of the reasons I call the Oath Keepers 'double patriots'.

95 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 29, 2012 3:25:09am

The song that goes through my head every day that honours veterans.

War is a series of catastrophes followed by victory.

96 AK-47%  Tue, May 29, 2012 3:26:36am

re: #92 Obdicut

I am willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt when they come claiming benefits for injuries: after all, they did volunteer to serve.

And a lot more of them are surviving than did before due to better battlefield medical care and modern surgery. I am sure that it is cheaper for the Armed Forces to just pay off a life insurance settlement and be shut of it than to have to care for disabled vets for the rest of their lives...

97 Obdicut  Tue, May 29, 2012 3:27:40am

re: #96 Expand Your Ground

Yeah, and more and more of the problems are systemic or brain injury or other really tricky shit.

Care for veterans is part of the cost for wars. If we're not willing to provide for them, we shouldn't have so many wars. We haven't found a war that we had to fight in a damn long time.

98 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, May 29, 2012 4:14:49am

Morning Lizards!

Last day of the vacation and it should be busy. After packing the car it's time to head further west a bit to help my brother out with the purchase of a motorcycle (it's his mid-life crisis item).

Then a 7-hour drive back to Philadelphia.

My brother has also been putting out a trap for the raccoons since they've been troublesome. Normally baiting it with peanut butter, but he dropped a freshly laid egg yesterday while collecting them, so he baited the trap with that.

And he discovered this morning that the trap was occupied. By one of the Feline Overlords. With the other two hanging about - and probably laughing.

99 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 4:34:09am

Oh Hai Lizards!

Had the greatest Memorial Day ever! It coincided with Shavuot (the Jewish holiday of Cheesecake) and my son and his family and their kids' nanny all came in from New York and piled into the house.

We ate and ate and ate and ate, and there's still a bunch of leftovers!

100 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 4:54:48am

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

A Russian journalist is in hospital after being lured out of his home and stabbed 20 times late on Monday night in the latest attack on a member of the press.

Sergei Aslanyan, 46, works for Radio Mayak and spent 10 years as a presenter on Echo Moskvy, Russia's leading liberal radio station.

Police sources said Aslanyan received a call from an unknown number just before midnight, inviting him outside for a chat. After leaving his home in southern Moscow, he was stabbed repeatedly in the chest, neck and arms by a man, or several men, wielding a knife.

[...]

The Izvestiya newspaper suggested the attack could have been linked to a recent radio appearance during which Aslanyan insulted the prophet Muhammad.

Acc. to [Link: www.gazeta.ru...] imam of the Moscow Cathedral Mosque the attack on the journalist was God's will.

101 Obdicut  Tue, May 29, 2012 4:57:22am

re: #100 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Putin's guys beat up journalists with some regularity too, don't they?

102 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:13:13am

re: #101 Obdicut

Putin's guys beat up journalists with some regularity too, don't they?

Depends on who you mean by "Putin's guys". E.g. are Kadyrovites Putin's guys? In a limited sense, yes (he closes eyes to their crimes), and there were quite a lot of murders of journalists in Chechnya. Were those who beat up Oleg Kashin Putin's guys? Well, nobody knows who beat him up, so one can't say. So it is in many other cases of crimes against journalists. So there isn't explicit evidence for, you know, some organized group of thugs who target journalists on Putin's orders. On the other hand the very system created by Putin is quite hostile to honest journalism on all levels, due to corruption and authoritarianism, so while it can't be said that "Putin's guys" beat up some journalist or another (in most cases), being an honest journalist in Putin's Russia is quite dangerous. One could tentatively present this case as one of the other such cases, due to the mere fact that it happened in Russia, but I suggest that this could happen in any country, since it is, after all, motivated by religious fanaticism. What is troubling is that as big a honcho as an imam of the main Russian mosque approves of this crime.

103 Obdicut  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:14:47am

re: #102 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Yeah, I wasn't trying to pin this particular one on Putin, more just that, man, being a journalist in Russia is a fucking rough brief.

104 AK-47%  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:15:46am

re: #102 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

"Who will rid me of this troublesome priest/journalist/human rights activist?"

And who will see to it that anyone caught for such acts gets off scot-free?

105 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:22:07am

Morning Lizardim. The Memorial Day weekend was every bit as relaxing as I'd intended it to be - which is a good thing, considering the crazy up-and-down weather we had. One day it was 60 degrees and heavy thunderstorms, the next 92 degrees and not a cloud in sight. Today looks to be on the cooler side of things, and clear, which will hopefully continue for a while, as we're good on water for the present.

I see the wingnuts have doubled down on the derp while I was away. Somehow Romney's statement, the subject of this article, strikes me as a note of desperation. He realizes he's borderline unelectable and that he needs every last red cent in order to have a chance of beating the far more personable and, to put it bluntly, more moderate Obama. The "Twitter gulag" nontroversy of their own making from yesterday made me laugh, though.

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:22:59am

re: #104 Expand Your Ground

Earlier some other Russian Islamic leaders wrote a letter to authorities urging to charge Aslanyan for "extremism". So this will be another test case. Will the authorities bow down to religious totalitarians, or will they try to honestly investigate this case? The earlier test case was the attack by Orthodox Christian thugs on the exhibition "Warning, religion!" in Sakharov's Center. Not only the attackers were let scot free, it were the organizers of the exhibition who were sentenced to fines.

107 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:30:28am

re: #106 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Earlier some other Russian Islamic leaders wrote a letter to authorities urging to charge Aslanyan for "extremism". So this will be another test case. Will the authorities bow down to religious totalitarians, or will they try to honestly investigate this case? The earlier test case was the attack by Orthodox Christian thugs on the exhibition "Warning, religion!" in Sakharov's Center. Not only the attackers were let scot free, it were the organizers of the exhibition who were sentenced to fines.

My son (the one who was visiting over the weekend) lived in Moscow for 10 years, moved back to the U.S. in 2009. He experienced some...ah..."difficulties" as activist of a prominent Jewish organization.

108 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:31:19am

re: #107 Learned Mother of Zion

My son (the one who was visiting over the weekend) lived in Moscow for 10 years, moved back to the U.S. in 2009. He experienced some...ah..."difficulties" as activist of a prominent Jewish organization.

On the official level?

109 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:34:20am

In other news, Faux News has a new anti-global-warming hit piece based on a rabid misinterpretation of a rather flimsy study. Standard operating procedure for the wingnutosphere, I know, but the amateur statistician in me is weeping over the magnitude of the stupid.

110 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:37:13am

re: #108 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

On the official level?

I don't know what you mean by "official" do you mean has he represented this organization before government authorities? Then yes.

111 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:38:55am

re: #110 Learned Mother of Zion

I don't know what you mean by "official" do you mean has he represented this organization before government authorities? Then yes.

I mean, problems not from some street thugs, but from various officials and authorities.

112 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:39:51am

re: #111 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

I mean, problems not from some street thugs, but from various officials and authorities.

Yes to both.

113 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:41:59am

Zombie Apocalypse is now upon us
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
I can't believe it is finally happening!!!!

114 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:49:39am

re: #98 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Morning Lizards!

[snip]

My brother has also been putting out a trap for the raccoons since they've been troublesome. Normally baiting it with peanut butter, but he dropped a freshly laid egg yesterday while collecting them, so he baited the trap with that.

And he discovered this morning that the trap was occupied. By one of the Feline Overlords. With the other two hanging about - and probably laughing.

My dad has had a terrible couple months with raccoons. We have trapped 3 so far in the last month. I talked to him this morning on the way to work and he said he thought he heard something last night. Guess I will be crawling into the attic again to set another trap after work tonight.

115 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, May 29, 2012 5:52:47am

The president of Schenectady's NAACP chapter has resigned, citing his displeasure with the national civil rights organization's recent choice to support marriage equality.

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:04:11am

re: #115 Tommy's cone of shame

The president of Schenectady's NAACP chapter has resigned, citing his displeasure with the national civil rights organization's recent choice to support marriage equality.

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

Don't let the door, etc.

117 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:09:32am

Just a friendly reminder, it is tick season
[Link: charlotte.cbslocal.com...]
Read that last sentence, it will make your skin crawl.
I tried to pull a tick off of the groin of my hound dog, turned out it was a mole, he wasn't too happy with me.

118 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:12:26am

re: #117 Tommy's cone of shame

I tried to pull a tick off of the groin of my hound dog, turned out it was a mole, he wasn't too happy with me.

Then again, maybe he was. //

119 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:41:03am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Romney's descent into the fever swamps to curry favor with the birthers is indicative of the deal with the devil that the GOP has made to win back the White House at all possible costs.

The party will align itself with anyone and everyone who could possibly give it a chance to win against Obama. If that means going with the birthers, they'll do it.

It makes you wonder what other groups Romney and the GOP are willing to line up with in order to get to 50.1%.

Actually, we don't have to look all that far. We've got them pushing xenophobes and racists all around the country, and that's aside from the fact that the GOP has thrown facts and logic out the window - they will say and do anything in order to win, rather than doing what's best for the nation.

Screw 'em.

120 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:43:28am

Donald Trump is people?

Related:
Image: 318118_370169179715827_1300652115_n.jpg

121 erik_t  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:45:19am

So it occurred to me this morning that we (I) had been convinced that one of the real dangers to the GOP of the long drawn-out primary is that it would leave too little time for the nominee's inevitable lurch toward the center.

Well, the primary has been effectively over for, what? A month or two?

Mitt's talented at, hell his only talent may be flip-flopping on his previous positions. When might we start seeing this inevitable lurch? I sure haven't seen it yet. He's been as severely conservative since the primary ended as he was while it was in progress.

122 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:46:28am

Hey all!

I heard it's morning.

Did you hear that too?

123 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:47:53am

re: #7 Kragar

Its guys like Mitt which give unprincipled fucktards a bad name.

QFT

124 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:48:59am

re: #121 erik_t

He has lurched to the center...someone just put it way over on the right so it was hard to reach.

125 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:49:26am

re: #117 Tommy's cone of shame

Just a friendly reminder, it is tick season
[Link: charlotte.cbslocal.com...]
Read that last sentence, it will make your skin crawl.
I tried to pull a tick off of the groin of my hound dog, turned out it was a mole, he wasn't too happy with me.

Just got Frontline for my dogs. Not sure what to get for hubby and the teenager.

126 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:52:41am

re: #113 Tommy's cone of shame

Zombie Apocalypse is now upon us
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
I can't believe it is finally happening!!!

Armando Aguilar of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police told WSVN: 'What's happening is whenever we see that a person has taken all of his clothes off and has become violent, it’s indicative of this excited delirium that's caused by overdose of drugs.

'What's happening is inside their body their organs are burning up alive.'


Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

I'm so glad I"m not a cop. There are things I really don't need to know.

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:54:50am

re: #99 Learned Mother of Zion

Oh Hai Lizards!

Had the greatest Memorial Day ever! It coincided with Shavuot (the Jewish holiday of Cheesecake) and my son and his family and their kids' nanny all came in from New York and piled into the house.

We ate and ate and ate and ate, and there's still a bunch of leftovers!

I wish I were Jewish! You have the best holidays!

128 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:55:14am

New ad (r.e. Romney, Trump, etc.):

Two Republican Nominees

129 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:55:53am

Pandersaurus Rex.

130 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:56:38am

In case you forgot over the long holiday weekend.

131 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:57:47am

re: #127 ggt

I wish I were Jewish! You have the best holidays!

They tried to kill us! They failed!

Let's eat!

Although technically Shavuot is not a celebration of any failed genocide, it is actually a celebration of Moses receiving the Torah on Mt. Sinai, combined with the harvesting of the first fruits of summer.

Whatevs, let's eat!

132 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:59:24am

re: #131 Learned Mother of Zion

They tried to kill us! They failed!

Let's eat!

Although technically Shavuot is not a celebration of any failed genocide, it is actually a celebration of Moses receiving the Torah on Mt. Sinai, combined with the harvesting of the first fruits of summer.

Whatevs, let's eat!

Ok, I got the coffee, you still have cheesecake?

133 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 6:59:52am

I was going to make my famous, addictive Oreo Trifle, but with all the other food that was prepared, there simply was not room for it in the fridge.

My grandkids gobbled up all the Oreos.

134 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:00:32am

re: #132 ggt

Ok, I got the coffee, you still have cheesecake?

I had a slice of cheesecake for breakfast.

135 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:01:00am

re: #134 Learned Mother of Zion

I had a slice of cheesecake for breakfast.

You had to say that didn't you?

I'm soooo jealousl

136 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:02:46am

Still listening to The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer.

I'm to the point where they start bombing the West. Mussolini is screwed. Poland is totally fucked.

Chamberlain is still a wuss.

It's hard to believe this isn't a work of fiction. It all seems so unreal.

Yet, it's not.

137 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:05:13am

re: #136 ggt

Still listening to The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer.

I'm to the point where they start bombing the West. Mussolini is screwed. Poland is totally fucked.

Chamberlain is still a wuss.

Is there ever a part where he's not a wuss? Hate that guy for selling out the whole Czechoslovak nation the way he did.

138 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:05:21am

Does it feel like Monday to you?

139 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:05:46am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Is there ever a part where he's not a wuss? Hate that guy for selling out the whole Czechoslovak nation the way he did.

For a while there, I thought he grew a pair. He didn't.

140 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:09:40am

re: #139 ggt

For a while there, I thought he grew a pair. He didn't.

He's really earned his legacy. I mean I understand why the policy makers of the day wanted to avoid war but they should have seen what Hitler was. Maybe I'm guilty of hindsight bias here but it's not as if Hitler's worldview wasn't plain as day to see in Mein Kempf which was published in 1924-25 I want to say.

141 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:09:47am

re: #134 Learned Mother of Zion

The Mrs. made a new type of brownie. Blood orange brownies... using blood orange olive oil. Quite tasty and moist - no milk added, which makes it also good if you're lactose intolerant too.

142 Interesting Times  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:10:23am
143 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:12:13am

Watch the video.

144 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:12:18am

You know it's going to be a hot summer when your first sun burn comes in May.

145 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:12:52am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

He's really earned his legacy. I mean I understand why the policy makers of the day wanted to avoid war but they should have seen what Hitler was. Maybe I'm guilty of hindsight bias here but it's not as if Hitler's worldview wasn't plain as day to see in Mein Kempf which was published in 1924-25 I want to say.

The author says no one really read it. Or if they did, they fell asleep 1/2 way thru.

He didn't make any money off the book until later when people bought out of fear and used it as a coffee table book.

146 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:13:39am

re: #142 Interesting Times

It should make whatever flak the President has gotten over Jeremiah Wright years ago moot as well. Trump's current birtherism informs on Romney's current amoral stance about the President and is more relevant than what Wright might have said years ago.

147 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:14:14am

Denver gasoline prices continue to fall over Memorial Day week

05/29/2012 07:47 AM MDT - Despite a long holiday weekend, gasoline prices in Denver continued to fall last week averaging $3.

Obama's fault.

148 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:14:27am

re: #145 ggt

The author says no one really read it. Or if they did, they fell asleep 1/2 way thru.

He didn't make any money off the book until later when people bought out of fear and used it as a coffee table book.

Really? Kershaw's Hitler biography says it was a huge seller and translated at that time into sixteen languages. I can see why people would be bored with it though. I had to read excerpts from it for German history. I also find Marx a bore to read.

149 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:15:15am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

We're already experiencing record heat around the NYC metro area. It felt more like July 4 than Memorial Day around here. The jet stream is giving the NE a nice baking with the warm air coming up from the South. We might get severe storms late this afternoon into tomorrow though as a front comes through that should hopefully cut the humidity some.

150 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:16:40am

re: #147 Gus

Denver gasoline prices continue to fall over Memorial Day week

Obama's fault.

Is Michele Bachmann president of Denver now? They'll be at $2.50 before we get under $4...(paid $4.29 yesterday)

151 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:16:57am

re: #149 lawhawk

We're already experiencing record heat around the NYC metro area. It felt more like July 4 than Memorial Day around here. The jet stream is giving the NE a nice baking with the warm air coming up from the South. We might get severe storms late this afternoon into tomorrow though as a front comes through that should hopefully cut the humidity some.

Yep that's our southern warm air. Good news though is it looks like a cloudless day and my brother will have his first little league game in some time. Hoping he gets the start.

152 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:18:30am

re: #149 lawhawk

We're already experiencing record heat around the NYC metro area. It felt more like July 4 than Memorial Day around here. The jet stream is giving the NE a nice baking with the warm air coming up from the South. We might get severe storms late this afternoon into tomorrow though as a front comes through that should hopefully cut the humidity some.

Yeah, here in NW PA we are expecting some storms in a few hours (might be heading your way by evening). Hope it cools things down a bit. Been terrible trying to sleep the last couple nights. Never really got cool at night and the humidity in the mid to upper 80's hasn't helped things.

153 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:18:46am

re: #150 darthstar

Is Michele Bachmann president of Denver now? They'll be at $2.50 before we get under $4...(paid $4.29 yesterday)

That around Santa Cruz?

154 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:19:27am

re: #152 RayFerd

Yeah, I'm going to be installing the ACs tonight - didn't want to do it so early, but if you can't sleep b/c of the humidity, then it's not a good thing.

155 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:20:04am

I'm getting a bunch of text spam on my phone.

156 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:21:41am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Really? Kershaw's Hitler biography says it was a huge seller and translated at that time into sixteen languages. I can see why people would be bored with it though. I had to read excerpts from it for German history. I also find Marx a bore to read.

Shirer said he went by the Publisher's records of prints and sales. Very few were sold until Hitler became chancellor.

Strange tho, that after the Checkoslovakia was taken, the military of the Allied powers didn't tear it apart with a fine tooth comb and use it arguing with the powers-that-be.

157 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:24:30am

re: #156 ggt

Shirer said he went by the Publisher's records of prints and sales. Very few were sold until Hitler became chancellor.

Strange tho, that after the Checkoslovakia was taken, the military of the Allied powers didn't tear it apart with a fine tooth comb and use it arguing with the powers-that-be.

Maybe that's what Kershaw was talking about. Weimar Germany sounds like it was a fascinating place to be.

158 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:27:00am

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Quite a bunch.

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:27:34am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Maybe that's what Kershaw was talking about. Weimar Germany sounds like it was a fascinating place to be.

Here is an article on the author of the book I'm reading. History of journalism as well that I didn't know.

160 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:28:03am

Clunk...

GOP Rep. McCotter to run as write-in after failing to make ballot

Longtime Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.) will run a write-in campaign to retain his House seat after failing to collect enough valid signatures to get on the ballot.

McCotter took the blame for the unforced error, saying "the buck stops here with me" in a mea culpa printed in the Detroit News, before promising to run as a write-in candidate...

Doesn't really have to mean much on election day but it's still funny.

161 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:29:39am

re: #159 ggt

Here is an article on the author of the book I'm reading. History of journalism as well that I didn't know.

Thanks. Real interesting guy. HBO had a made for TV movie last night about Hemingway's third wife, Martha Gellhorn who was a war correspendent and one of the first reporters to see the concentration camps. It got panned so I ended up watching Hatfields and McCoys instead.

162 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:30:30am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Real interesting guy. HBO had a made for TV movie last night about Hemingway's third wife, Martha Gellhorn who was a war correspendent and one of the first reporters to see the concentration camps. It got panned so I ended up watching Hatfields and McCoys instead.

watched part of Hatfields and McCoys. Couldn't get into it. My threshold for history/drama/soap opera rehashing is rather low these days.

I haven't been able to sit still for any TV for a while now.

163 erik_t  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:31:04am

re: #160 Gus

McCotter took the blame for the unforced error, saying "the buck stops here with me" in a mea culpa printed in the Detroit News, before promising to run as a write-in candidate...

I can't run my own goddamned campaign, but you should totally trust me to run the country. I can't count two thousand signatures, but you should totally trust me to handle accounting numbers in the trillions.

Derp.

164 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:31:09am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Quite a bunch.

Splodey heads.

165 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:32:17am

re: #164 Gus

Splodey heads.

Yeah the heads are probably exploding over Huerta and Hirabayashi.

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:33:09am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

Yeah the heads are probably exploding over Huerta and Hirabayashi.

If they had anglicized their names, there wouldn't be an outcry.

Most of it, IMHO, is knee-jerk xenophobia.

167 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:33:26am

re: #153 Gus

That around Santa Cruz?

Actually, Roseville, on the way back from Reno. It was $4.01 in Reno but I didn't feel like stopping.

168 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:34:07am

re: #166 ggt

If they had anglicized their names, there wouldn't be an outcry.

Most of it, IMHO, is knee-jerk xenophobia.

Well I was guessing that HHuerta is probably hated due to being a union organizer.

169 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:35:07am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Well I was guessing that HHuerta is probably hated due to being a union organizer.

Yeah. She has a lot of name recognition.

170 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:36:01am

re: #160 Gus

Clunk...

GOP Rep. McCotter to run as write-in after failing to make ballot

Doesn't really have to mean much on election day but it's still funny.

Talk about taking your job for granted...hell, I've been in ten years...I don't even have to file paperwor---oh, crap! Are you kidding?

171 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:36:26am

re: #146 lawhawk

If Romney can't stand up to conspiracy theorists (that's what birthers are), then how can he stand up to the Vlad Putin and the Russians (who he has deemed one of the most serious threats to the nation).

172 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:36:38am

re: #169 Gus

Yeah. She has a lot of name recognition.

I think I remember hearing about some wingnut parents flpping their shit over Cesar Chavez being mentioned in an American history textbook.

173 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:37:32am

re: #171 lawhawk

If Romney can't stand up to conspiracy theorists (that's what birthers are), then how can he stand up to the Vlad Putin and the Russians (who he has deemed one of the most serious threats to the nation).

You mean the Soviets? Pretty sure he called them that.

174 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:37:40am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I think I remember hearing about some wingnut parents flpping their shit over Cesar Chavez being mentioned in an American history textbook.

All the time. And if your city happens to have a "Cesar Chavez Day" you'll hear them complaining. Some of that complaining isn't very pretty.

176 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:40:20am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

You mean the Soviets? Pretty sure he called them that.

That's in the past...old history. April 27.

177 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:41:02am

re: #174 Gus

All the time. And if your city happens to have a "Cesar Chavez Day" you'll hear them complaining. Some of that complaining isn't very pretty.

I can imagine. These are the same people who get mad when the founding fathers are presented as real men with flaws because they want it taught to children that our founding fathers were practically living gods.

178 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:41:55am

re: #176 darthstar

That's in the past...old history. April 27.

I know I worry about the Persian threat and will be going for Siamese food on Thursday.

179 AK-47%  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:43:00am

re: #175 Gus

Church Sponsors Billboard Apologizing For North Carolina’s Amendment One

Here's the church website.

Just read avbout church websites as the home of many dangerous trojans, so not going there

180 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:44:29am

re: #179 Expand Your Ground

Just read avbout church websites as the home of many dangerous trojans, so not going there

I thought that was only Greek churches.

;0

181 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:44:41am

re: #179 Expand Your Ground

Just read avbout church websites as the home of many dangerous trojans, so not going there

[Link: www.siteadvisor.com...]

182 Lidane  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:46:29am

re: #171 lawhawk

If Romney can't stand up to conspiracy theorists (that's what birthers are), then how can he stand up to the Vlad Putin and the Russians (who he has deemed one of the most serious threats to the nation).

He doesn't want to stand up to birthers. He wants their cash:

Former GOP Congressman: Romney is Tolerating Birther Trump to Raise Money

183 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:46:34am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

I know I worry about the Persian threat and will be going for Siamese food on Thursday.

Persians are fluffier than Siamese, but I like the blue eyes the Siamese have. How are you preparing it?

184 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:49:03am

re: #182 Lidane

He doesn't want to stand up to birthers. He wants their cash:

Former GOP Congressman: Romney is Tolerating Birther Trump to Raise Money

They're trying to make Romney's lack of character and absence of any moral conviction a strength. And really, it's about all they have right now.

185 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:49:31am

re: #182 Lidane

He doesn't want to stand up to birthers. He wants their cash:

Former GOP Congressman: Romney is Tolerating Birther Trump to Raise Money

I had a feeling this would be Davis.

186 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:52:13am

Secret ‘Kill List’ Proves a Test of Obama’s Principles and Will

This was the enemy, served up in the latest chart from the intelligence agencies: 15 Qaeda suspects in Yemen with Western ties. The mug shots and brief biographies resembled a high school yearbook layout. Several were Americans. Two were teenagers, including a girl who looked even younger than her 17 years.
....
“How old are these people?” he asked, according to two officials present. “If they are starting to use children,” he said of Al Qaeda, “we are moving into a whole different phase.”
...
Mr. Obama is the liberal law professor who campaigned against the Iraq war and torture, and then insisted on approving every new name on an expanding “kill list,” poring over terrorist suspects’ biographies on what one official calls the macabre “baseball cards” of an unconventional war.

187 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:56:28am

re: #184 darthstar

They're trying to make Romney's lack of character and absence of any moral conviction a strength. And really, it's about all they have right now.

I don't know if Davis is praising Romney here or not. He teaches a class at my alma mater and he's someone who is respected by both liberals and conservatives alike. When I saw him speak, he called out the Norquist tax pledges as stupid. He was always a member of the moderate wing of the state GOP here. More like John Warner than George Allen. I could be wrong though but Davis doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would apologize for birtherism.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
Here he is saying opposition to gay marriage is a political loser. Disagreee with him about McDonnell though.

188 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:57:17am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

more...

The order prohibited the agency from operating detention facilities, closing once and for all the secret overseas “black sites” where interrogators had brutalized terrorist suspects.

“The way this is written, you are going to take us out of the rendition business,” Mr. Rizzo told Gregory B. Craig, Mr. Obama’s White House counsel, referring to the much-criticized practice of grabbing a terrorist suspect abroad and delivering him to another country for interrogation or trial. The problem, Mr. Rizzo explained, was that the C.I.A. sometimes held such suspects for a day or two while awaiting a flight. The order appeared to outlaw that.

Mr. Craig assured him that the new president had no intention of ending rendition — only its abuse, which could lead to American complicity in torture abroad. So a new definition of “detention facility” was inserted, excluding places used to hold people “on a short-term, transitory basis.” Problem solved — and no messy public explanation damped Mr. Obama’s celebration.

Nice.

189 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:57:29am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Secret ‘Kill List’ Proves a Test of Obama’s Principles and Will

Everybody is lucky Obama is at the helm. Can anyone with a functioning brain trust Romney or any other wingnut with such decisions?

190 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:57:47am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Secret ‘Kill List’ Proves a Test of Obama’s Principles and Will

"Nothing else in Mr. Obama’s first term has baffled liberal supporters and confounded conservative critics alike as his aggressive counterterrorism record. His actions have often remained inscrutable, obscured by awkward secrecy rules, polarized political commentary and the president’s own deep reserve."

I think it's obvious, he is neither a moonbat or a wingnut. A centrist will confuse them every time.

191 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 7:59:54am

re: #190 ggt

I think it's obvious, he is neither a moonbat or a wingnut. A centrist will confuse them every time.

Unpossible!

192 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:04:33am

re: #189 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Everybody is lucky Obama is at the helm. Can anyone with a functioning brain trust Romney or any other wingnut with such decisions?

What a ghastly image that conjures up.

Wingnut advisor: "Ok, we have this Swedish gang in South Sudan."
President Romney: "So, doesn't sound so bad, and I hear they're nuns too."
Advisor: "They SAY they're nuns but we have irrefutable proof they're passing out condoms."
Romney: "Obviously a terrorist front then. Zap 'em."

193 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:05:03am

re: #190 ggt

I think it's obvious, he is neither a moonbat or a wingnut. A centrist will confuse them every time.

Agreed.

194 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:05:26am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Oh, I think Davis was criticizing Romney...I was thinking about those who support him. They will spin his dishonesty as a strength.

195 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:05:41am

re: #192 Shiplord Kirel

Yep. "Kill'em all, let God sort out his people" sort of stuff. Besides, wingnuts are just stupid, and even if they wanted to do good, they would mess up.

196 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:06:39am

re: #195 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

wingnuts are just stupid, and even if they wanted to do good, they would mess up.

See: Iraq war.

197 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:07:42am

re: #194 darthstar

Oh, I think Davis was criticizing Romney...I was thinking about those who support him. They will spin his dishonesty as a strength.

Gotcha, you're probably right. I'm glad to see Davis being a rare voice of reason in his party.

198 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:08:23am

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Agreed.

A person who can think thru, around, and within party memes is a scary person to the extremists. They want a black and white world.

199 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:10:19am

re: #198 ggt

A person who can think thru, around, and within party memes is a scary person to the extremists. They want a black and white world.

Well, any person who can think is scary to them.

200 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:10:53am

re: #199 ggt

Well, any person who can think is scary to them.

think beyond ideology and dogma anyhow.

201 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:11:44am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

think beyond ideology and dogma anyhow.

Fear of heresy.

202 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:18:39am

OT Anyone here a tax professional/accountant type?

203 sattv4u2  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:20:23am

re: #202 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

OT Anyone here a tax professional/accountant type?

No
But
A) I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
and
B) April 15th has come and gone!

//

(sorry)

204 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:21:08am

re: #203 sattv4u2

No
But
A) I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night

That must've been taxing. You qualify! /

205 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:21:49am

A moment on the lips, a lifetime on the hips.

206 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:24:08am

re: #205 Tommy's cone of shame

A moment on the lips, a lifetime on the hips.

Speaking of which, I had foie gras again last night...only a few more days until California's ban kicks in. Then the casino moguls in Nevada will be putting up stateline bistros with pictures of duck heads on them.

207 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:24:08am

I have to get Grandma and drive her around.

Have a great day all!

208 PhillyPretzel  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:24:45am

re: #207 ggt

You too.

209 erik_t  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:24:55am
A “Message for the Week” preview from the Romney campaign adds: “You can’t be hostile to business and friendly to job creation. President Obama has never managed anything other than his own personal narrative. He has never created a job and never run a business.”

Quite right, Mr. Romney! BUT YOU'RE NOT FUCKING RUNNING FOR CEO.

Obama is less qualified, from an experience point of view, to hold the job of President, even though he's been President before and Romney hasn't.

These are the sort of mental gymnastics required of a Romney supporter. I do not envy them.

210 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:26:17am

re: #209 erik_t

Quite right, Mr. Romney! BUT YOU'RE NOT FUCKING RUNNING FOR CEO.

Obama is less qualified, from an experience point of view, to hold the job of President, even though he's been President before and Romney hasn't.

These are the sort of mental gymnastics required of a Romney supporter. I do not envy them.

There he goes again. The Pander Boy of the Western World.

211 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:26:44am

re: #207 ggt

I have to get Grandma and drive her around.

Have a great day all!

Up the wall is a good destination.//

212 sattv4u2  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:30:27am

re: #211 darthstar

Up the wall is a good destination.//

There's one in Texas and one in New Jersey

[Link: maps.google.com...]

213 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:30:40am

re: #211 darthstar

Up the wall is a good destination.//

I was thinking more of a creek.
But, what the hey.

214 Interesting Times  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:32:12am
215 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:32:56am

re: #214 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

The installation disks? They always get lost somehow, somewhere.

216 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:33:07am

NATO Kills Senior al-Qaeda Leader

The U.S.-led NATO force in Afghanistan killed al-Qaida's second-highest leader in the country in an airstrike in eastern Kunar province, the coalition said Tuesday.

Sakhr al-Taifi, also known as Mushtaq and Nasim, was responsible for commanding foreign insurgents in Afghanistan and directing attacks against NATO and Afghan forces, the alliance said.

217 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:33:11am

re: #214 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

1.44mb floppy.

218 sattv4u2  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:34:39am

re: #216 Killgore Trout

al-Qaida's second-highest leader

Why would anyone want that job? Not a long term position!

219 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:34:40am

re: #209 erik_t

A “Message for the Week” preview from the Romney campaign adds: “You can’t be hostile to business and friendly to job creation. President Obama has never managed anything other than his own personal narrative. He has never created a job and never run a business.”

Wait, Mitt Romney is bragging about his mad job creation skillz?

If he becomes President (G-D forbid!) does he plan to Bain Capital the shit out of the United States?

220 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:34:56am
221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:36:12am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Secret ‘Kill List’ Proves a Test of Obama’s Principles and Will

Just finished reading this. A great, riveting article. Shows how much depends on a personality of a single man (US president). So, to reiterate, when there is a lot of arbitrary discretion involved on very delicate borderline issues, the choice between a "rah rah patriotism tea party USA USA USA donald trump" bastard and a conscientious, if pragmatic, liberal couldn't have been more clear.

222 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:37:25am

re: #217 Varek Raith

8 inch floppy... but the backups are on reel to reel tape...

223 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:37:31am

re: #218 sattv4u2

al-Qaida's second-highest leader

Why would anyone want that job? Not a long term position!

Just think about all the money they are saving by not having to pay pensions and retirement plans.

224 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:39:42am

As I was driving in to work this morning I saw a sad little car with a bunch of bumper stickers, including one which said "GALT/REARDEN '12"

225 sattv4u2  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:39:46am

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Just think about all the money they are saving by not having to pay pensions and retirement plans.

They're probably promised that,,, but absolutely NO burial coverage!!

226 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:39:53am

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Just think about all the money they are saving by not having to pay pensions and retirement plans.

For years we have been getting number two's. We have taken out number one now, who is the new number one?

227 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:40:27am

re: #226 RayFerd

For years we have been getting number two's. We have taken out number one now, who is the new number one?

He's taking a number 2.

228 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:40:31am

re: #226 RayFerd

Zawahiri.

229 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:40:47am

re: #224 Learned Mother of Zion

As I was driving in to work this morning I saw a sad little car with a bunch of bumper stickers, including one which said "GALT/REARDEN '12"

He probably thinks that if he goes Galt, the world will tremble!

230 sattv4u2  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:41:24am

re: #226 RayFerd

For years we have been getting number two's. We have taken out number one now, who is the new number one?

Ayman al-Zawahiri

231 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:05am

re: #226 RayFerd

For years we have been getting number two's. We have taken out number one now, who is the new number one?

Deep-frozen in space with his cat?

232 AK-47%  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:05am

One can be business-friendly and still hostile to job creation. Pretty much the history of US politics and business relations since Ronald Reagan...

233 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:30am

re: #221 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Just finished reading this. A great, riveting article. Shows how much depends on a personality of a single man (US president). So, to reiterate, when there is a lot of arbitrary discretion involved on very delicate borderline issues, the choice between a "rah rah patriotism tea party USA USA USA donald trump" bastard and a conscientious, if pragmatic, liberal couldn't have been more clear.

Some of it depends on softer rhetoric but the ethical and moral issues are still borderline. I can't help but think of someone like Jose Padilla. Bush had him arrested after returning from Pakistan. Today, I'm pretty sure Obama would have decided to just kill him overseas. KSM probably would have also been killed overseas without a trial. I can't really argue that Obama's choice would be morally superior but it attracts less attention and solves the problem. I think it works better.

234 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:43:09am

re: #231 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Deep-freezed in space with his cat?

235 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:44:45am

re: #230 sattv4u2

Ayman al-Zawahiri

Ok, I thought there was still a bit of tension as to his place in that position.

236 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:45:09am

re: #231 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Deep-frozen in space with his cat?

Looking for his MoJo

237 b_sharp  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:45:23am

re: #198 ggt

A person who can think thru, around, and within party memes is a scary person to the extremists. They want a black and white world.

Preferably heavy on the white side.

238 b_sharp  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:48:04am

re: #217 Varek Raith

1.44mb floppy.

Are you sure it's not 5-1/4" or even 8" floppy?

239 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:52:45am

re: #222 lawhawk

8 inch floppy... but the backups are on reel to reel tape...

Come on...he's pure punch-card.

240 AK-47%  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:53:20am

I have boxes full of 1's and zeros in my garage...

241 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:53:41am

A baseball player, a lawyer, and a bodyguard get into a fight...
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
Please tell me this is a bad joke.

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:53:50am

re: #233 Killgore Trout

There is a bit of a paradox there, on the surface, but it's like this: if a serial killer is caught during the crime and shot (because he resisted arrest, for example), or if he is arrested and safe - there is a difference here too, both for the killer (who is alive rather than dead), and for the society, but it can't be argued that just because the only other option for the killer is being dead, that any sort of abuse of him after the arrest is somehow tolerable ("oh well, the mob castrated him, but at least he is alive!"). In the end, the killer would morally deserve the worst outcome, but the rules prevent this and are there for a reason, and if he got himself killed before the arrest - that may even be for the better.

In the war the nuances can be quite different, but I believe the above analogy works too. Yes, could be that Padilla would have been dead. Moreover, it can be argued he would deserve it. But once you got him, there are limits on what you can do with him. Because the laws are there not only for the sake of the possible "weak side", but also to restrain the "strong side".

243 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:54:34am

re: #216 Killgore Trout

NATO Kills Senior al-Qaeda Leader

In related news, I just got a call from a recruiter saying a number 2 spot with All Data or something like that (sounded like a tech firm) had opened up and was I interested...

244 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:01:10am

re: #243 darthstar

In related news, I just got a call from a recruiter saying a number 2 spot with All Data or something like that (sounded like a tech firm) had opened up and was I interested...

Make sure they have dental!

245 wrenchwench  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:03:17am

re: #224 Learned Mother of Zion

As I was driving in to work this morning I saw a sad little car with a bunch of bumper stickers, including one which said "GALT/REARDEN '12"

Last week I saw a big fancy pickup truck with Purple Heart plates (issued by the state of NM) and a Ron Paul sticker and an Alex Jones sticker. My first thought was "Head injury. How sad."

246 PhillyPretzel  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:05:43am

Help Wanted: A position is available for a senior leader. This is an International group with branches around the world. We have a multiple level benefits and an extremely competitive salary. Please send resume and no calls please. ///

247 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:06:59am

Stupid Al Qaeda. They should just call their leaders #324523532 or something like that./

248 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:08:01am

re: #247 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Stupid Al Qaeda. They should just call their leaders #324523532 or something like that./

Leader?
No. I am Generic Foot Soldier 45734.

249 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:10:11am
250 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:11:13am

So has Romney palled around with the racist billionaire today or is it scheduled for later?

251 darthstar  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:12:01am

re: #247 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Stupid Al Qaeda. They should just call their leaders #324523532 or something like that./

Russian keyboard only go up to five?

252 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:12:04am

re: #250 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

So has Romney palled around with the racist billionaire today or is it scheduled for later?

The racist billionaires are lining up around the block.

253 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:12:29am

re: #251 darthstar

Russian keyboard only go up to five?

Ye, it doe.

254 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:16:47am

re: #253 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Ye, it doe.

LIE5!

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:22:34am

999999999999999999
I'M FREE!

256 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:28:07am
257 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:31:26am

re: #256 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

[Embedded content]

*PEWPEWPEW*

258 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:32:26am

re: #257 Varek Raith

*PEWPEWPEW*

259 Kronocide  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:34:34am

Uh... Dim... the Judge had the Conservative Blogger arrested, not the Terrorist.

260 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:35:41am

re: #259 Kronocide

[Embedded content] Uh... Dim... the Judge had the Conservative Blogger arrested, not the Terrorist.

Heheh.

261 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:35:56am

re: #259 Kronocide

[Embedded content] Uh... Dim... the Judge had the Conservative Blogger arrested, not the Terrorist.

Heh. Dim's such a well dimwit.

262 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:37:04am

re: #260 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

"On Friday, conservatives had a blogburst in support of the victims of this evil man."

What, I missed the World Masturbation Day?

263 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:40:58am

re: #262 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

"On Friday, conservatives had a blogburst in support of the victims of this evil man."

What, I missed the World Masturbation Day?

No one told me either. Bummer that.

264 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:41:00am

re: #259 Kronocide

[Embedded content]
Uh... Dim... the Judge had the Conservative Blogger arrested, not the Terrorist.

Which blogger got arrested? (Not going to Gateway)

265 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:42:37am

So in light of the CAMERA brouhaha I decided to look at their latest articles.

One bit caught my attn:

[Link: www.camera.org...]

Invitations to Scheuer by C-SPAN and others, particularly Fox News Channel, to appear as a guest expert on bin Laden, Islamism and Middle East conflicts seem to violate journalistic emphasis on accuracy and context as well as the requirement of credible sources. During his tenure (1996-1999) as head of the CIA bin Laden unit and as special adviser to the group (2001-2004), it failed to find and eliminate bin Laden. His first post-CIA book, Imperial Hubris, reads much like a former official's "if-only-they'd listened-to-me" self-vindication. As noted historian and columnist Victor Davis Hanson has said, the more audiences heard from Scheuer the less they were impressed, "especially by Scheuer's assertions in interviews that Osama bin Laden shouldn't be identified as a terrorist, and that the Holocaust Museum in Washington was a means to make Americans feel guilty about the Holocaust. ... Scheuer sounds goofier each time he gives an interview." Off-base and bigoted. So why is C-SPAN still interviewing him?

Granted, Scheuer is a crackpot, but citing another partisan crackpot does not exactly help credibility. LOL.

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:42:54am

re: #264 Learned Mother of Zion

Which blogger got arrested? (Not going to Gateway)

Some Aaron Walker. No idea who that is.

267 Kronocide  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:46:32am

re: #266 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Some Aaron Walker. No idea who that is.

No idea who Aaron Walker or Brett Kimberlin are. But Kimberlin is the New Boogeyman for the New Media.

New Media is what partisan right wing bloggers call themselves.

268 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:48:20am

re: #267 Kronocide

How new is this new media when it's been around for more than a decade? Not exactly new. Newish?

But these folks are pushing right into phony media - and not in a The Onion sense. They're pushing outright falsehoods.

269 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:48:36am

re: #265 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

So in light of the CAMERA brouhaha I decided to look at their latest articles.

One bit caught my attn:

[Link: www.camera.org...]

CAMERA was useful at one time. For example, they exposed the fake "Letter to an Anti-Zionist" alleged written by Martin Luther King, Jr. that was being circulated about 10 years ago.

I stopped reading CAMERA and removed them from my blog roll when they started to use spam as a business model.

"Commentary" was also, at one time, a very high-class, hi-falutin intellectual journal, but it has devolved to the level of WeirdNutDaily. Very, very sad.

270 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:48:39am

re: #267 Kronocide

No idea who Aaron Walker or Brett Kimberlin are. But Kimberlin is the New Boogeyman for the New Media.

New Media is what partisan right wing bloggers call themselves.

Sounds like it. Don't know who Walker is either but Hoft's statement that Kimberlin had him arrested shows a laughable misunderstanding of the law.

271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:49:21am

re: #267 Kronocide

No idea who Aaron Walker or Brett Kimberlin are. But Kimberlin is the New Boogeyman for the New Media.

New Media is what partisan right wing bloggers call themselves.

Kimberlin is a seemingly unrepentant ex-terrorist and reasonable people will stay clear of him. However wingnuts are now making some claims about him that they cannot, at this time, factually support, and they're making them as if they were facts. That sucks.

272 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:53:03am

re: #269 Learned Mother of Zion

Some of their pieces have been and are factually enlightening. E.g. they seem to be right in their dispute with the Journal of Palestine Studies, and what they dug out is useful to know.

However, many are not.

273 Kronocide  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:55:00am

re: #271 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Kimberlin is a seemingly unrepentant ex-terrorist and reasonable people will stay clear of him. However wingnuts are now making some claims about him that they cannot, at this time, factually support, and they're making them as if they were facts. That sucks.

All you need to know is that Kimberlin's (something) got $ (a little) from TIDES/SOROS and Barbara Streisand.

And he spent time in jail for bombings.

Sounds like a Level 7 Douchebag against a Legion of DoucheKeyboardJihadists.

Getting popcorn.

274 wrenchwench  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:57:32am

[Link: p.twimg.com...]

[Link: twitter.com...]

275 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:58:01am

re: #273 Kronocide

I think during one of the earlier outrageous outrages it has been established that Soros gives money to Tides not as some blanket sum for all purposes, but for specific purposes. So claiming that just because Kimberlin's org was getting money from Tides, it has also been getting Soros' money is simply untrue. Maybe he was getting Soros' money (without any intent to sponsor an ex-terrorist, of course) but that needs to be proven, not asserted.

276 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 9:58:04am

re: #273 Kronocide

All you need to know is that Kimberlin's (something) got $ (a little) from TIDES/SOROS and Barbara Streisand.

And he spent time in jail for bombings.

Sounds like a Level 7 Douchebag against a Legion of DoucheKeyboardJihadists.

Getting popcorn.

What is this thing about getting a SWAT team sent to somebody's house? WTF was that about?

277 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:01:14am

re: #276 Learned Mother of Zion

What is this thing about getting a SWAT team sent to somebody's house? WTF was that about?

If I understand it correctly, it works like this: you use Skype or some other VoIP service to call police and impersonate some poor chap, claiming that you shot "your wife" or something like that, and giving that chap's address. Under normal circumstances these VoIP calls are untraceable (they probably are, in principle, but one would need some spiffy court orders for that, and even then proxies might have been used, etc.).

Basically that's a prank call (tech-wise, not results-wise) taken to the next level.

278 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:04:37am

re: #277 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

If I understand it correctly, it works like this: you use Skype or some other VoIP service to call police and impersonate some poor chap, claiming that you shot "your wife" or something like that, and giving that chap's address. Under normal circumstances these VoIP calls are untraceable (they probably are, in principle, but one would need some spiffy court orders for that, and even then proxies might have been used, etc.).

Basically that's a prank call (tech-wise, not results-wise) taken to the next level.

How does 911 dispatch verify that a call is authentic and not a prank?

279 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:05:34am

Car versus house on the island
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:06:13am

re: #278 Learned Mother of Zion

How does 911 dispatch verify that a call is authentic and not a prank?

I suppose that's a new situation created by new tech (though it's been available for a few years), so it probably doesn't. How can it? What if a legitimate call was made through Skype?

281 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:06:19am

re: #259 Kronocide

[Embedded content] Uh... Dim... the Judge had the Conservative Blogger arrested, not the Terrorist.

Lolololol

282 b_sharp  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:08:41am

I remember the good old days when the word terrorist actually meant something.

Kimberlin is a nutcase who should have been left in prison. His non-profit organizations however, have not broken the law, planted bombs, or sold drugs as far as I can tell.

Guilt by association is strong in the derp-zone.

Meaningless, but strong.

284 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:10:53am

re: #283 Learned Mother of Zion

Holy crap, there have been a whole bunch of fake SWAT deployments as a result of prank calls.

Yeah, I only heard of it recently but apparently it's been around a while.

285 b_sharp  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:13:04am

re: #267 Kronocide

No idea who Aaron Walker or Brett Kimberlin are. But Kimberlin is the New Boogeyman for the New Media.

New Media is what partisan right wing bloggers call themselves.

New Media?

They spin any harder and they'll twist themselves into the ground.

286 Varek Raith  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:13:49am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I only heard of it recently but apparently it's been around a while.

I just called the cops with regards to your genetic manipulation of frogs.
Have fun with the SWAT!
:evillaugh:

287 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:14:45am

re: #283 Learned Mother of Zion

Holy crap, there have been a whole bunch of fake SWAT deployments as a result of prank calls.

I assume that as more people have become aware of it, more people have decided to try it. I really hope we don't have to deal with several tragedies before a solution is found, other than, you know, police being less aggressive.

288 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:18:29am

It will be funny if Kimberlin really doesn't have anything to do with the swatting.
Because he will sue everyone from Beck to Malkin...

289 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:19:52am

re: #283 Learned Mother of Zion

Holy crap, there have been a whole bunch of fake SWAT deployments as a result of prank calls.

It's not funny. The police have a real job to do, and using them as your own personal prank is not okay.

They should trace the phone calls and bill the prankster.

290 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:20:25am

re: #289 Mostly sane, most of the time.

It's not funny. The police have a real job to do, and using them as your own personal prank is not okay.

They should trace the phone calls and bill arrest the prankster.

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:22:02am

re: #289 Mostly sane, most of the time.

It's not funny. The police have a real job to do, and using them as your own personal prank is not okay.

They should trace the phone calls and bill the prankster.

"Bill"? When the police is told that X has killed his wife and kids, and the police breaks X's door, what do you think happens if they see X holding something that "may be" a gun? Etc.

292 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:23:10am

re: #291 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

"Bill"? When the police is told that X has killed his wife and kids, and the police breaks X's door, what do you think happens if they see X holding something that "may be" a gun? Etc.

Okay, so, arrest.

It shouldn't be like tp'ing someone's house.

293 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:23:28am

re: #290 Learned Mother of Zion

I sort of wonder what crimes the called could be charged with. I mean, obviously something related to misusing 911/filing a false police report, I'd think. If someone if hurt or, god forbid, killed, do you think the caller could be charged with some sort of manslaughter?

294 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:25:07am

Weird Nut Daily refers to Kimberlin as a "Soros hit-man."

You know where to find it. A little hard to read through the clutter of ads for gold, magic energy devices, cut-rate insurance, and (of course) health supplements.

295 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:25:28am

re: #293 Simply Sarah

I sort of wonder what crimes the called could be charged with. I mean, obviously something related to misusing 911/filing a false police report, I'd think. If someone if hurt or, god forbid, killed, do you think the caller could be charged with some sort of manslaughter?

Well, the prankee could sue them for damages in civil court, as well as the police dept. for not performing due diligence.

296 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:26:01am

re: #293 Simply Sarah

Could be considered felony murder depending on how a state statute construes filing a false police report and/or if other crimes attach. Criminally negligent homicide is another possible.

297 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:26:54am

re: #294 Shiplord Kirel

Weird Nut Daily refers to Kimberlin as a "Soros hit-man."

You know where to find it. A little hard to read through the clutter of ads for gold, magic energy devices, cut-rate insurance, and (of course) health supplements.

What? WND is so lame that "Mom's Wrinkle Trick" and "Language Professors Hate Him!" won't advertise there?

298 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:27:21am

re: #296 lawhawk

Could be considered felony murder depending on how a state statute construes filing a false police report and/or if other crimes attach. Criminally negligent homicide is another possible.

OK, that's about what I figured. I hope we do not reach that point, though. It's pretty terrifying, really.

299 Obdicut  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:27:47am

re: #296 lawhawk

Especially since in the case of Erik Erikson (assuming he really did get SWAT-ted) the cops were being told to go to a place where a guy who's threatened to shoot government officials live.

300 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:29:01am

You would think that Dermatologists would have sent SWAT teams to the Mom's house by now.

301 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:29:14am

re: #275 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

I think during one of the earlier outrageous outrages it has been established that Soros gives money to Tides not as some blanket sum for all purposes, but for specific purposes. So claiming that just because Kimberlin's org was getting money from Tides, it has also been getting Soros' money is simply untrue. Maybe he was getting Soros' money (without any intent to sponsor an ex-terrorist, of course) but that needs to be proven, not asserted.

Yeah, I remembered correctly:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Heh. Wingnut memes die hard.

302 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:29:47am

[Link: www.politico.com...]
I love that the Republicans are comparing this with Maher. I didn't realize that Obama was having fund-raising dinners with Maher.

303 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:33:11am

What is it with wingnuts and health supplements? It must be a sub-paragraph of the wingnut franchise agreement.
To be fair, lefty cranks are also big in that business. They are probably the same products but with some adjustments in labeling. Instead of "God's Healing Gift," the lefty version is labeled as the "Mysterious Emanation of a Harmonic Node" or something similar.

304 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:33:23am

Classic non-apology apology: "OK, I apologize if I misread the comments about Hamas."

305 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:34:07am

re: #294 Shiplord Kirel

Weird Nut Daily refers to Kimberlin as a "Soros hit-man."

You know where to find it. A little hard to read through the clutter of ads for gold, magic energy devices, cut-rate insurance, and (of course) health supplements.

Found it. Freaking Twilight Zone music was playing in my head.

306 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:34:21am

Copy.

307 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:35:01am
308 Kronocide  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:36:21am

re: #275 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

I think during one of the earlier outrageous outrages it has been established that Soros gives money to Tides not as some blanket sum for all purposes, but for specific purposes. So claiming that just because Kimberlin's org was getting money from Tides, it has also been getting Soros' money is simply untrue. Maybe he was getting Soros' money (without any intent to sponsor an ex-terrorist, of course) but that needs to be proven, not asserted.

In my limited exposure to the wealthy giving $ to causes, the $ always seems to come with strings and stipulations as to how it is spent.

The New Media has done very well turning Soros into a smear. Pretty shameful. The worst he's done I've seen is be wealthy and some sort of leftist. As if that were a crime. The accusations that he 'destroyed currencies' didn't have any basis.

I still don't understand why Soros? There are other wealthy political donors on the left.

309 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:37:39am

re: #308 Kronocide

In my limited exposure to the wealthy giving $ to causes, the $ always seems to come with strings and stipulations as to how it is spent.

The New Media has done very well turning Soros into a smear. Pretty shameful. The worst he's done I've seen is be wealthy and some sort of leftist. As if that were a crime. The accusations that he 'destroyed currencies' didn't have any basis.

I still don't understand why Soros? There are other wealthy political donors on the left.

Could it be Soros' foreign background that makes him an easy boogeyman?

310 Obdicut  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:37:53am

re: #308 Kronocide

The worst he's done I've seen is be wealthy and some sort of leftist.

He's also Jewish, which fits in with a lot of conspiracy theories.

311 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:39:02am

re: #310 Obdicut

He's also Jewish, which fits in with a lot of conspiracy theories.

That too. One of the oldest in the book.

312 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:39:13am

re: #304 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Classic non-apology apology: "OK, I apologize if I misread the comments about Hamas."

And: "if you're so concerned about the spam bot, why don't you contact Camera about it?"

My reply: I would, but that would only double or triple the amount of spam that Camera serves to my inbox.

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:39:52am

re: #308 Kronocide

Soros struggled against totalitarianism and for liberal democracy in the Warsaw pact countries. He is hated by various commies and conservatives here too, because he is a "Jewish American agent of imperialism and capitalism" etc. Wingnuts. Gotta love'em in all stripes.

314 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:40:51am

re: #313 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Soros struggled against totalitarianism and for liberal democracy in the Warsaw pact countries. He is hated by various commies and conservatives here too, because he is a "Jewish American agent of imperialism and capitalism" etc. Wingnuts. Gotta love'em in all stripes.

Yep, but remember they want to equate liberalism with communism. It's nonsense of course.

315 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:40:53am

re: #299 Obdicut

And if the state laws are such that felony murder or other manslaughter can't attach, it would seem that this is a situation that would demand legislative changes to bring liability against those that engage in SWATting that results in the death, injury, or personal property damage as a result of law enforcement action (like say a police car crashing and killing pedestrians or other drivers while attempting to respond to the location SWATted). But for the prank call, the death and/or damage would not have occurred.

As for how to deal with Skyping/VOiP and 911 calls, I don't know how they can prevent them (don't know how they can make those calls to 911 more transparent to the 911 so they know whoever is calling is who they say they are and where they are calling from is actually where they're calling from).

316 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:41:49am

Thou shalt approach certain topics with trembling and reverence, or you're a bad, bad person.

317 Gus  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:42:00am

I'll wait for the final NTSB report to come out.

318 lawhawk  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:43:18am

re: #308 Kronocide

I'm by no stretch wealthy, but when I donate to my alma maters, I direct where and how the money is to be used (like to specific programs and/or career placement services, etc.) but when I give to other charities, I don't make any limitations. It's no different for wealthy folks - they can give restricted or unrestricted donations. Depends on who the person is, the charity, etc.

319 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:43:59am

re: #315 lawhawk

And if the state laws are such that felony murder or other manslaughter can't attack, it would seem that this is a situation that would demand legislative changes to bring liability against those that engage in SWATting that results in the death, injury, or personal property damage as a result of law enforcement action (like say a police car crashing and killing pedestrians or other drivers while attempting to respond to the location SWATted). But for the prank call, the death and/or damage would not have occurred.

As for how to deal with Skyping/VOiP and 911 calls, I don't know how they can prevent them (don't know how they can make those calls to 911 more transparent to the 911 so they know whoever is calling is who they say they are and where they are calling from is actually where they're calling from).

And how would 911 be able to differentiate between a Skype/VOiP call coming from a prank caller and a Skype/VOiP call coming from somebody hiding in a closet with an android while the serial killer is hunting down and murdering the other coeds in the dorm? (typical Hollywood scenario)

320 Kronocide  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:47:04am

Yeah, I guess there's a good dollop of something to hate in Soros for every invested special interest nutter group.

Foreigner - Check
Jewish - Check
Wealthy Capitalist - Check
Supports liberal causes - Check
Looks like villain from Austin Powers - Shagadelic!

321 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:47:15am

re: #319 Learned Mother of Zion

I think there are sort of Skype-specific devices out there, they should also be able to use 911 calls.

322 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:47:35am

Soros = good.

323 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:49:31am

re: #308 Kronocide

I still don't understand why Soros? There are other wealthy political donors on the left.

He throws around a lot of money to left leaning causes so when Glenn Beck lays out all the connections on the chalkboard it appears he's the mastermind of a great conspiracy. Same thing with the Koch Bros. These people have a lot of connections and money buys influence. Exactly how much control they retain with their funding is suspect. Although I still suspect the Koch Bros had some influence in the rise of Glenn Beck and the brief resurgence of of the John Birch Society there's no way to prove it and I seriously doubt they could have engineered it even if they wanted to.
This stuff quickly gets into tinfoil hat territory.

324 Kronocide  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:49:44am

re: #318 lawhawk

I'm by no stretch wealthy, but when I donate to my alma maters, I direct where and how the money is to be used (like to specific programs and/or career placement services, etc.) but when I give to other charities, I don't make any limitations. It's no different for wealthy folks - they can give restricted or unrestricted donations. Depends on who the person is, the charity, etc.

Duly noted.

I think people want to put their $ to good use. If you have a higher level of trust in an organization or charity you may not feel the need to be specific about how it is spent.

325 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:51:37am

re: #324 Kronocide

Duly noted.

I think people want to put their $ to good use. If you have a higher level of trust in an organization or charity you may not feel the need to be specific about how it is spent.

Vegetables! Fruits!

If I give money to the food bank, they may not spend it on twinkies!

(I'm being facetious. Of course I know they don't.)

326 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:52:51am

re: #320 Kronocide

Yeah, I guess there's a good dollop of something to hate in Soros for every invested special interest nutter group.

Foreigner - Check
Jewish - Check
Wealthy Capitalist - Check
Supports liberal causes - Check
Looks like villain from Austin Powers - Shagadelic!

Groovy baby! But yeah. Anyhow, funny thing about anti-Jewish money conspiracies going back to the days of the Russian empire is that Jews were linked with global communism and capitalism.

327 iossarian  Tue, May 29, 2012 10:55:04am

re: #323 Killgore Trout

He throws around a lot of money to left leaning causes so when Glenn Beck lays out all the connections on the chalkboard it appears he's the mastermind of a great conspiracy. Same thing with the Koch Bros. These people have a lot of connections and money buys influence. Exactly how much control they retain with their funding is suspect. Although I still suspect the Koch Bros had some influence in the rise of Glenn Beck and the brief resurgence of of the John Birch Society there's no way to prove it and I seriously doubt they could have engineered it even if they wanted to.
This stuff quickly gets into tinfoil hat territory.

Nice attempt at "Soros and the Kochs, they're just the same really".

Except that Soros supports a bunch of actually useful causes and the Kochs are essentially selfish assholes.

328 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 29, 2012 11:17:28am

re: #327 iossarian

Nice attempt at "Soros and the Kochs, they're just the same really".

Except that Soros supports a bunch of actually useful causes and the Kochs are essentially selfish assholes.

His friendly neighborhood MBF. What would he do without it?

329 labman57  Tue, May 29, 2012 8:58:06pm

Mitt is just another dime-a-dozen self-serving Republican politician who eagerly embraces Machiavellian tactics -- if it helps him to attain his objectives, it's all good.


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