Breitbart Blogger Dana Loesch Lies on CNN: ‘Nobody Believes Obama Wasn’t Born in Hawaii’

Why is this liar employed by a news organization?
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Another day, another outright lie from one of the most dishonest right wing “pundits,” Dana Loesch, who told CNN’s Carol Costello this morning that right wing Birthers don’t exist.

Here is what — nobody — nobody believes that the President wasn’t born in Hawaii except for people like Phil Berg and the Clintons. Nobody believes that. So I think this whole issue is moot at this point.

Really? “Nobody believes that?”

It’s ridiculously easy to show how dishonest Loesch’s claim is; all we have to do is go to the website where she’s an editor, breitbart.com, and read the comments for their ludicrous Birther article on that publisher’s bio that Obama had nothing to do with: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama’s Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: ‘Born in Kenya and Raised in Indonesia and Hawaii’.

There are more than 5000 comments now in this thread. But Dana Loesch wants the CNN audience to believe that the only Birthers in America are Democrats.

Obama needs to come clean about - “misrepresenting” himself - (like Elizabeth Warren) - and why he acquired a State Grant - under “Barry Soetoro” - as a “FOREIGN” student - as indicated by the California Assembly records - to attend Occidential College - registered as a “foreign” student - from Indonesia - of Muslim faith.

Either he was GAMING the System - “pretending” to be a “foreign” student - to acquire FREE MONEY - through FRAUD - to attend our American univesities,
or he knows that he was “ineligible” to serve as POTUS and Commander-in-Chief - and placed all his PERSONAL information under seal - birth records, college transcripts, passport information, etc. - as his First EXECUTIVE ORDER - to further conceal these matters - while Obama operatives failed to destroy/hide the California Assembly records - listed as a foreign student - as his passort information was destroyed.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, there was a CYBER-CRIME at the US State Department - in which the passport information of Obama/Soetoro was “tweaked” - along with other presidential candidates, such as Hillary Clinton’s - as the means to distract from the actual target = to alter the passport information of Barack HUSSEIN Obama/Barry Soetoro.

[…]

I wonder if Romney will bring up the lies of Obama’s birth. What would happen if the COURT tried the “case” and prevented him , Obama,from getting in office. This will put the Constitution on trial as well. The culprits are far too many to fit int one big court room……..mega media, Soros, etc. etc.

[…]

Everything isn’t spelled out in the constitution. But, that a president must be a natural born citizen IS spelled out in the constitution. There are legitimate questions about Obama being a natural born citizen and if he would just be forthcoming, he could put it all to rest.

[…]

It’s not about “birther” conspiracy theories. It’s not about avoiding the “birther” label at all costs. It’s about the staunch secrecy of Barack Obama. It’s fundamentally about one simple question: what the hell is Obama hiding?

[…]

Too much to cover it all here…….but one would think anyone who was not a
hopeless Obot would be demanding a real investigation by Congress of
Obama/Soetoro or whoever he is….but Congress knows what the results of the
investigation would be….and prison time is not something they want to
chance…….therefore, no investigation, just obfuscation, lies and denial.

[…]

I think the issue at this point is the cover up. Forgery is a felony. Sheriff Joe’s investigation is a “felony investigation.” Many people are wondering if there something ELSE about the birth certificate. Why not share it? Why produce a forgery? That in itself is enough to send him packing in my opinion.

[…]

Hawaii verified two things that are fatal to Obama’s qualifications for the presidency: first, he has a foreign father who was never an American; second, Obama is a dual citizen.Hoping to put an end to the story,those pesky ballot challenges and Sheriffs, Hawaii and the AZ SoS perpetuate the myth and meme of ‘born in the USA”, or “American citizen”–as the only qualifying factor for President– to deceive the voting public. The Hawaii release did not authenticate Obama’s 2011 electronic version of the Birth Certificate, leaving Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation in tact and relevant. Hawaii also did not verify anything about Obama’s adoption.

[…]

Obama Lawyer Admits In Court Birth Certificate On White House Website Is A Forgery fedupusa.org……

Help Bring War Criminal Obama to Justice infowars.com…

“We the People Demand a Full Scale Investigation into the Eligibility Requirements of President Obama to be President and to run again for a second term” Sign Here: petition2congress.c……

[…]

It’s not just the B.C. of the Impostor, it is the fact that his “Daddy” was never a US citizen which makes B.O. unconstitutionally qualified to even run for POTUS

[…]

His birthplace has not been proven! Your word is NOT proof. You are obviously a moron. A forged digital copy of a birth certificate is NOT proof. We will move on when we are good and ready. We will move on when we get to the bottom of this fraud that has been perpetrated on the America people and find the TRUTH. Go Cold Case Posse!

And when the truth is exposed, you liberals and your manipulative lying media will appear as rats to the American people. Disgusting rats, scurrying about spreading the plague. Then you will effectively be exterminated.

[…]

Check all the way to the bottom.. The footprint is there…simple enough to prove — or disprove.. My money is on - that he is NOT an American Citizen in any way…
We need him gone…and …even more right is…in jail !!

I could keep copying and pasting all day — there are literally thousands of comments from right wing Birthers, who seem to have completely missed the breitbart.com disclaimer that their article is not promoting Birtherism.

When Dana Loesch says “nobody believes that,” she is simply lying. On CNN, in front of the whole country.

(h/t: STLActivist.)

UPDATE at 5/30/12 1:35:48 pm

Loesch replies in her usual way:

That’s right — for pointing out that a huge number of the readers of her website are Birthers, she’s calling us … Birthers.

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274 comments
1 Henchman 25  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:10:10am

Really, Dana? Nobody? I do. Does this mean I don't exist?

2 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:10:29am

Damn, KT!
How the hell do you do it???

3 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:10:34am

Keep telling yourself that Dana. No true conservative blah. Man up, birtherism is a right wing conservative movement.

4 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:11:27am

re: #1 Artist

Really, Dana? Nobody? I do. Does this mean I don't exist?

You think he wasn't born in Hawaii?

5 Lidane  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:11:45am

I love her pathetic attempt at making this about the Clintons again. She must have missed the part where Bill Clinton is actively campaigning for Barack Obama, and Hillary has been his Secretary of State all these years.

The deliberate lies, especially on CNN after Trump went full birther on the air, is just par for the course. These wingnuts really do live in their own reality.

6 Henchman 25  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:12:03am

re: #4 Kragar

You think he wasn't born in Hawaii?

I meant I do think he was.

7 Obdicut  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:12:30am

And, of course, Donald Trump.

8 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:12:38am

re: #6 Artist

I meant I do think he was.

It's ok.
She confuses the hell out of me as well.
/

9 Lidane  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:13:47am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Keep telling yourself that Dana. No true conservative blah. Man up, birtherism is a right wing conservative movement.

It's not just a movement. It's the default in the GOP now. Large majorities of Republican voters across the country believe the birther conspiracy. Senate candidates are calling for birther offices, state GOP platforms have gone birther, etc. This is what the majority of Republicans believe.

The REAL Republican fringe now are the non-birther, non-wingnut types.

10 Interesting Times  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:13:55am

Notice, too, her incredibly disingenuous & manipulative phrasing through use of double negatives:

Nobody Believes Obama Wasn’t Born in Hawaii

Read or say this quickly, and it practically becomes "Nobody believes Obama WAS born in Hawaii".

A true non-birther would say something like, "Nobody believes Obama was born in Kenya". But Loesch doesn't say that, because it denies her the opportunity to have her fake & eat it too by sneakily repeating the birther frame.

11 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:15:29am

I believe Donald Trump is a tumor growing out of a bunch of hair that was subjected to radiation.

Prove he isn't!

12 jaunte  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:16:15am

This is the conservative political game; grabbing whatever benefits there are in allying yourself with racist friends, while proclaiming loudly that you can't control what they do.

13 Henchman 25  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:17:17am

re: #8 Varek Raith

It's ok.
She confuses the hell out of me as well.
/

Damn you, double negatives!

14 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:17:42am

re: #9 Lidane

It's not just a movement. It's the default in the GOP now. Large majorities of Republican voters across the country believe the birther conspiracy. Senate candidates are calling for birther offices, state GOP platforms have gone birther, etc. This is what the majority of Republicans believe.

The REAL Republican fringe now are the non-birther, non-wingnut types.

Yep. Seriously Loesch is so full of shit that it's not even funny.

15 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:17:47am

re: #11 Learned Mother of Zion

I believe Donald Trump is a tumor growing out of a bunch of hair that was subjected to radiation.

Prove he isn't!

Airtight.

16 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:19:24am

Lots of people believe he wasn't, and she knows it.

There is a ton of legal documentation to show that he was born in Hawaii, of course, but that's not the point.

Now, she could have said, "Nobody adult and reasonable..." and made a correct point.

17 Lidane  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:19:58am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Yep. Seriously Loesch is so full of shit that it's not even funny.

It's especially hilarious that she's lying so shamelessly on CNN after Donald Trump just went full birther in his interview with Wolf Blitzer. WTF.

18 Interesting Times  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:21:16am

re: #13 Artist

Damn you, double negatives!

See? While I was busy writing up my #10, you inadvertently proved the point therein!

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:21:28am

Donald, you're nobody. Quack what you want, Dana said so.

20 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:22:04am

re: #17 Lidane

It's especially hilarious that she's lying so shamelessly on CNN after Donald Trump just went full birther in his interview with Wolf Blitzer. WTF.

I think she's either a huge deceitful liar or that stupid about the realities of her fellow conservatives.

21 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:22:12am

Ahh Dana Loesch, dripping her racist honey with every step


Lap it up, dumb animal CNN viewers! A lady with makeup on told you so on the TV, so it must be true!

22 uncah91  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:23:11am

re: #16 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Now, she could have said, "Nobody adult and reasonable..." and made a correct point.

Really, she could have just stopped at "reasonable".

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:23:42am

I feel bad for old people who still think they're watching "the news" when they turn on CNN


shit, thou art shinola, always

24 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:23:51am

re: #22 uncah91

Really, she could have just stopped at "reasonable".

I know some young teens who are birthers who will probably grow up and become more logical.

Being thirteen is an excuse for all kinds of stuff.

25 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:24:41am

See, the tangential thing that gets me about all this is that all the talk coming from the seemingly growing number of birthers is "We need to put things in place to prevent someone that isn't a natural born citizen from becoming president!" rather than what is to me the vastly more logical alternative, which is to say "We need to amend the Constitution to remove the silly 'natural born citizen' requirement for president because it is outdated, xenophobic, and doesn't reflect reality."

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:25:06am

I believe Donald Trump is the perfect American


Always clamoring for attention, tumescent with unearned riches, tasteless in the extreme, hiding his baldness, willing to bow and scrape to the white supremacists for a little more face time on camera

What's more American than that?

27 Obdicut  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:25:46am

re: #25 Simply Sarah

I totally understand not wanting to let someone who was up until a year ago or whatever a citizen of another country be president. But surely if you became a citizen before 18, who cares?

28 wrenchwench  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:25:56am

re: #26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I believe Donald Trump is the perfect American

Always clamoring for attention, tumescent with unearned riches, tasteless in the extreme, hiding his baldness, willing to bow and scrape to the white supremacists for a little more face time on camera

What's more American than that?

Dolores Huerta.

29 Ogami Itto  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:26:29am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I think she's either a huge deceitful liar or that stupid about the realities of her fellow conservatives.

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she's just stupid rather than evil.

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:26:36am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Keep telling yourself that Dana. No true conservative blah. Man up, birtherism is a right wing conservative movement.

Birtherism IS conservatism in America, conservatism means hating minorities in America and concentrating power in the hands of rich white people


they are the same thing, just birtherism is the volume turned up

31 lawhawk  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:28:08am

When all else fails, project. But even that doesn't pass the smell test not when you've got Trump touting his birtherism on CNN and standing alongside GOP nominee Romney.

Dana's statement ranks as liar, liar - hair on fire.

32 dragonath  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:28:14am

Cool, everything's the Clintons fault again!

33 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:28:31am

re: #27 Obdicut

I totally understand not wanting to let someone who was up until a year ago or whatever a citizen of another country be president. But surely if you became a citizen before 18, who cares?

Why do we need a law or constitutional restriction on that? Why not just let the voters determine what is or isn't a deal breaker? I mean, under things currently you could be born in the U.S., leave the country while you are one day old, live in another country for 60 years without any interaction with Americans, and then run for president.

34 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:28:53am

Trump is a hair alien taking a dump.

36 Obdicut  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:31:24am

re: #33 Simply Sarah

The origination of the phrase was to defeat the people who wanted an aristocrat of some kind to come over, I think. It's pretty outdated. But we would need an update if we wanted to include naturalized citizens, because, well, it's the Constitution. What's in it matters.

37 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:31:37am

re: #33 Simply Sarah

Why do we need a law or constitutional restriction on that? Why not just let the voters determine what is or isn't a deal breaker? I mean, under things currently you could be born in the U.S., leave the country while you are one day old, live in another country for 60 years without any interaction with Americans, and then run for president.

The legend I always heard was that they did it to prevent Hamilton(Virgin Islands born) from running. I have no idea how true that it is however. Also, you have to be a resident for seven years before running for president so that scenario doesn't work. Not that I disagree with your point. I really think the laws for running for president should be similiar to the Senate. We've had plenty of capable foreign born statespeople from Albert Gallatin to Madeline Albright.

38 lawhawk  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:32:11am

re: #35 Lidane

So, Trump's gunning for the G. Gordon Liddy job (as self-declared birther in chief)?

39 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:32:35am

re: #35 Lidane

Donald Trump Compares Birth Certificate Conspiracies To Watergate Scandal

Trump is doing everything he can to make Mitt look like an ass for continuing to pal around with him. Go for it, Donny!

40 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:32:40am

re: #36 Obdicut

The origination of the phrase was to defeat the people who wanted an aristocrat of some kind to come over, I think. It's pretty outdated. But we would need an update if we wanted to include naturalized citizens, because, well, it's the Constitution. What's in it matters.

Of course. Hence why my first statement was that I thought "We need to amend the Constitution..." was the proper view of all this.

41 Lidane  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:33:18am

Also, the next person who tries to tell me that Romney is sane and/or not a birther gets laughed at:

Romney Touts Constitutional Amendment Disqualifying Eisenhower, Roosevelt and McCain From Being President

At a campaign rally in Las Vegas yesterday, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney touted the idea of making anyone who does not have a business background as ineligible for the White House as if they had been born in Kenya.

Youtube Video
42 Amory Blaine  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:33:23am

Thank you CNN. Your integrity is unimpeachable.

43 uncah91  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:33:44am

re: #24 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I know some young teens who are birthers who will probably grow up and become more logical.

Being thirteen is an excuse for all kinds of stuff.

Ah, yes, that is true. But then, they aren't altogether reasonable, are they?

But I get your point.

Really, there is nothing so maddening as facing those who start at a conclusion and work backwards from there, violating all the laws of reason.

44 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:34:19am

re: #41 Lidane

Also, the next person who tries to tell me that Romney is sane and/or not a birther gets laughed at:

Romney Touts Constitutional Amendment Disqualifying Eisenhower, Roosevelt and McCain From Being President

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Oh geez.

45 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:34:34am

re: #41 Lidane

Also, the next person who tries to tell me that Romney is sane and/or not a birther gets laughed at:

Romney Touts Constitutional Amendment Disqualifying Eisenhower, Roosevelt and McCain From Being President

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Got it paged here

46 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:35:04am

re: #41 Lidane

Also, the next person who tries to tell me that Romney is sane and/or not a birther gets laughed at:

Romney Touts Constitutional Amendment Disqualifying Eisenhower, Roosevelt and McCain From Being President

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We're discussing this downstairs. Mitt just disqualified Lincoln and Washington.

47 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:36:19am

I think the President should be required to have 4 years Active Duty military experience as an enlisted man, so Mitt can piss right off.

48 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:36:37am

They should open a National Mall right there in Washington DC. Anybody who wants to run for Senate or the Presidency should have to spend at least three years working there at one of the shops, even if it only the Orange Juoius stand.

49 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:36:42am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

We're discussing this downstairs. Mitt just disqualified Lincoln and Washington.

And Reagan.

50 Tumulus11  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:36:43am
'And when the truth is exposed, you liberals and your manipulative lying media will appear as rats to the American people. Disgusting rats, scurrying about spreading the plague. Then you will effectively be exterminated.'

. This one borrows eliminationist language from der Sturmer but ,hey, no birthers in this snakepit. /

51 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:37:11am

re: #49 Kragar

And Reagan.

Yep. Betcha Nim Wit Mitt didn't think about that one though.

52 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:38:07am

re: #50 Tumulus11

. This one borrows eliminationist language from der Sturmer but ,hey, no birthers in this snakepit. /

They sound very genocidal when talking about how much they hate liberals.

53 wrenchwench  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:38:12am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

We're discussing this downstairs. Mitt just disqualified Lincoln and Washington.

Lincoln had a little store in Illinois. That went under.

54 dragonath  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:38:17am

Why doesn't Romney just come out and say there should be a constitutional amendment so only white landowners can be president?

I mean, REALLY?

55 darthstar  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:38:24am

Da bears...are hanging out.
Image: 303482_425078134190693_752967894_n.jpg

56 allegro  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:38:32am

These days I see the lack of a "business background" as a rather big plus if the backgrounds of Romney and Bush are the experience he's talking about.

57 darthstar  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:39:02am

re: #55 darthstar

Da bears...are hanging out.
Image: 303482_425078134190693_752967894_n.jpg

That's the employee building at Alpine Meadows...apparently the little guy tried to leave by the second floor window before realizing the folly of his plan.

58 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:39:16am

re: #53 wrenchwench

Lincoln had a little store in Illinois. That went under.

I thought that was Grant.

59 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:40:28am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

I thought that was Grant.

Might have been both, but if they didn't run it for at least 3 years, they wouldn't be qualified.

60 Obdicut  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:40:38am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

No, Grant's businesses that went under were out in California, I think.

61 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:40:58am

Now if Obama had said I think someone should have three years in elected government, they'd be flipping about how this is the smoking gun about Obama's contempt for the business community. But Mitt can slander people and make no mistake here he is slandering people,people who have spent their lives working for the government.

62 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:41:10am

Congrats Mitt, you just retroactively disqualified half of the US Presidents.
Awesome.

63 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:41:27am

re: #60 Obdicut

No, Grant's businesses that went under were out in California, I think.

I thought he had a store that he ran with his brother in Galena.

64 Obdicut  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:42:33am

re: #62 Varek Raith

Congrats Mitt, you just retroactively disqualified half of the US Presidents.
Awesome.

But he made sure he qualified, and that's the point. Seriously, the hubris of this is fucking ridiculous.

65 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:45:42am

re: #41 Lidane

Also, the next person who tries to tell me that Romney is sane and/or not a birther gets laughed at:

Romney Touts Constitutional Amendment Disqualifying Eisenhower, Roosevelt and McCain From Being President


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WTF

66 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:45:53am

Okay, I just skimmed Lincoln's biography. Seems he did have a general store in New Salem, Illinois that he ran with a friend at the age of 23. Didn't know that. Thanks.

67 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:46:26am

Herman Cain would qualify but Obama wouldn't. Hmm.

68 dragonath  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:46:44am

I wonder if being an employee in a shit job counts as business experience or if Presidentin' is only for the... oh crap why am I even asking this.

Romney, thou art craven.

69 lawhawk  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:47:02am

re: #64 Obdicut

Being a lawyer could fit the mold of being in business (especially at a small business where you have to handle the day-to-day charges/costs/billing etc of running the office. A lawyer like Lincoln or even Obama could qualify for business in that respect.

Reagan could qualify as having business experience due to his service as SAG boss.

But someone who spent their career in the military? They'd be SOL. That'd include someone like Ike or McCain.

Not that Romney has ever commanded millions of men under combined arms or successfully dealt with logistics and complex operations across multiple continents in wartime.

Wait - maybe we should amend the constitution to require military service. /

70 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:47:38am

NOM’s Brian Brown To Dine And Debate With Dan Savage

Brown has accepted Dan Savage’s invitation to join his family for dinner and have a recorded debate moderated by Mark Oppenheimer from the New York Times. His only stipulation was that he wanted to bring his own camera crew, just to ensure that neither side distorts the debate.

71 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:48:13am

re: #60 Obdicut

No, Grant's businesses that went under were out in California, I think.

Grant had a bunch of failed business and a failed farm. He was really only successful in the military.

72 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:49:12am

Ok.
New Constitutional Amentment.
You can only become PotUS if you can beat every Touhou game without dying once.
*Looks around*
Gee, guess I'm the only one.
/

73 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:49:15am

You know. I think business experience is important. I also think government experience is important which is why I thought Herman Cain would be a terrible idea. The thing Mitt has done here is declared and he's shown this mindset before that business experience is superior to government experience. It's really not what kind of experience you have, it's about what you do with your experiences.

74 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:49:22am

re: #71 Learned Mother of Zion

Grant had a bunch of failed business and a failed farm. He was really only successful in the military.

Making him eminently qualified to run our nation....

75 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:49:55am

re: #72 Varek Raith

Ok.
New Constitutional Amentment.
You can only become PotUS if you can beat every Touhou game without dying once.
*Looks around*
Gee, guess I'm the only one.
/

But were you playing on Lunatic?

76 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:50:00am

re: #71 Learned Mother of Zion

Grant had a bunch of failed business and a failed farm. He was really only successful in the military.

The second time around. His first time, he developed a drinking problem and was stuck as a quartermaster. He actually was forced to resign because of his drinking problem.

77 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:50:08am

re: #75 Simply Sarah

But were you playing on Lunatic?

Dammit!

78 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:51:06am

re: #76 Kragar

The second time around. His first time, he developed a drinking problem and was stuck as a quartermaster.

Lincoln said "Find out his favorite brand of whisky and send a case of it to all my other generals."

79 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:51:33am

Every presidential candidate should have spent some time as a community organizer so they have some experience with what people do outside working hours, something I think Mitt is rather clueless on...

80 wrenchwench  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:51:59am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Okay, I just skimmed Lincoln's biography. Seems he did have a general store in New Salem, Illinois that he ran with a friend at the age of 23. Didn't know that. Thanks.

I was there on a bike trip. See, you need to bicycle more....

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:53:09am

re: #76 Kragar

The second time around. His first time, he developed a drinking problem and was stuck as a quartermaster.

Ironically, he developed a drinking problem because he was stuck on the West coast, and was a devoted husband who hated being away from his wife.

I've been in the "Grant House," that he lived in at Fort Vancouver.

82 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:53:18am

re: #80 wrenchwench

I was there on a bike trip. See, you need to bicycle more...

Heh, fair point, but I've only been to the state of Illinois once and this was on layover.

83 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:53:39am

re: #77 Varek Raith

Dammit!

It doesn't count if you're playing on Easy, dude!

84 aagcobb  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:53:49am

re: #25 Simply Sarah

See, the tangential thing that gets me about all this is that all the talk coming from the seemingly growing number of birthers is "We need to put things in place to prevent someone that isn't a natural born citizen from becoming president!" rather than what is to me the vastly more logical alternative, which is to say "We need to amend the Constitution to remove the silly 'natural born citizen' requirement for president because it is outdated, xenophobic, and doesn't reflect reality."

But, but then Prince Harry could become a naturalized citizen, be elected President, and give us to the Queen as a birthday gift!/

85 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:54:25am

re: #84 aagcobb

But, but then Prince Harry could become a naturalized citizen, be elected President, and give us to the Queen as a birthday gift!/

She's still going to be alive when he's 35?

86 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:54:39am

it's like all the craziness of freep coalesced into a person for a minute there

87 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:54:46am

re: #84 aagcobb

But, but then Prince Harry could become a naturalized citizen, be elected President, and give us to the Queen as a birthday gift!/

A lot of Americans would be down with that, but I don't think the British people would like it.

88 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:55:27am

Thing I heard about Grant was he hated the sight of blood, disliked hunting, and was very shy about his men seeing him in the nude. Heard one biographer say he was almost feminine in his personality. Interesting given his taste for whiskey and cigars.

89 wrenchwench  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:56:11am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Heh, fair point, but I've only been to the state of Illinois once and this was on layover.

Airplanes go too fast to see anything. And there's a nice campground at Lincoln's New Salem. We roasted brats on a fire, and toasted the bread that had gotten soggy, and put mustard on them, and roasted ears of corn on the fire. Man, that was good.

90 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:56:17am

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Thing I heard about Grant was he hated the sight of blood, disliked hunting, and was very shy about his men seeing him in the nude. Heard one biographer say he was almost feminine in his personality. Interesting given his taste for whiskey and cigars.

He was really a woman! The first woman President!//

91 aagcobb  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:56:49am

re: #33 Simply Sarah

Why do we need a law or constitutional restriction on that? Why not just let the voters determine what is or isn't a deal breaker? I mean, under things currently you could be born in the U.S., leave the country while you are one day old, live in another country for 60 years without any interaction with Americans, and then run for president.

Actually, the Constitution requires you to be a resident for 14 years to be eligible.

92 wrenchwench  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:57:06am

re: #89 wrenchwench

Airplanes go too fast to see anything. And there's a nice campground at Lincoln's New Salem. We roasted brats on a fire, and toasted the bread that had gotten soggy, and put mustard on them, and roasted ears of corn on the fire. Man, that was good.

Heh.

Frank says:

Another day, another sausage...

93 aagcobb  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:57:36am

re: #85 Mostly sane, most of the time.

She's still going to be alive when he's 35?

Could be, her mother lived to be over 100.

94 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:57:38am

re: #90 Learned Mother of Zion

He was really a woman!//

Do we need to see his male certificate? Anyhow, his behavior seems normal enough and similiar to my own except I can deal with blood all right.

95 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:58:14am

re: #83 Simply Sarah

It doesn't count if you're playing on Easy, dude!

After hard, forget it.

96 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:58:25am

re: #89 wrenchwench

Airplanes go too fast to see anything. And there's a nice campground at Lincoln's New Salem. We roasted brats on a fire, and toasted the bread that had gotten soggy, and put mustard on them, and roasted ears of corn on the fire. Man, that was good.

Sounds like fun.

97 lawhawk  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:58:34am

Let's see - according to Romney's proposal, the following GOP candidates for 2008/2012 would have been disallowed:

Huckabee. Santorum. Gingrich. McCain. No dice.

Borderline cases include Bachmann ( who worked for IRS as tax lawyer, then counseling - I'd argue she wouldn't make the cut as having business experience).

The following make the cut on business experience besides Romney: Ron Paul (doctor); Herman Cain; Gary Johnson; Buddy Roemer; Donald Trump; Jon Huntsman; Rick Perry.

The fact that you've got borderline cases that could go either way shows just how asinine his proposal is. What counts as business experience?

98 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 11:59:36am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Do we need to see his male certificate? Anyhow, his behavior seems normal enough and similiar to my own except I can deal with blood all right.

Glad to know that, Count.

99 lawhawk  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:00:26pm

re: #79 Expand Your Ground

Service guarantees citizenship (and a chance at the WH)... would you like to know more. /

100 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:00:30pm

re: #97 lawhawk

What counts as business experience?

None of your business.

101 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:00:39pm

re: #98 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Glad to know that, Count.

Hey, I got shots weekly when I was in first grade. It prepared me well. And I like the sun to much to be Dracula.

102 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:00:52pm

re: #100 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

None of your business.

In that case, I have tons of experience!

103 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:01:00pm

Meanwhile, the stalker morons are STILL pushing a conspiracy theory that I'm "coordinating" a plot to oppress and imprison them in #TwitterGulag:

104 lawhawk  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:01:10pm

re: #100 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

I've had that experience.

105 aagcobb  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:01:43pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

The legend I always heard was that they did it to prevent Hamilton(Virgin Islands born) from running. I have no idea how true that it is however.

Its false. The Constitution grandfathered in everyone who was a citizen at the time it was adopted.

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:01:57pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, right wingers are STILL pushing a conspiracy theory that I'm "coordinating" a plot to oppress and imprison them in #TwitterGulag:

[Embedded content]

Maybe you should...//

107 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:02:19pm

re: #85 Mostly sane, most of the time.

She's still going to be alive when he's 35?

Lizards are known to live to very old ages.
//

108 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:03:18pm

re: #106 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Maybe you should...//

I know - if I'm going to be blamed for it anyway, why not hatch an evil master plan? Moo hahaha.

109 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:03:19pm

re: #105 aagcobb

Its false. The Constitution grandfathered in everyone who was a citizen at the time it was adopted.

Thought it was legend. Honestly, I don't think Hamilton would have made a good president. Always seemed to me he was more of a behind the scenes guy and not a friendly enough face but the latter really didn't matter in those days.

110 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:03:26pm

Romney supports constitutional amendment requiring President to be just the right height, hair cut to just the right length.

111 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:03:46pm

re: #107 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Lizards are known to live to very old ages.
//

Best conspiracy theory ever!

112 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:03:56pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

I thought he had a store that he ran with his brother in Galena.

Maybe a massage parlor in Burbank?

113 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:04:01pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

I know - if I'm going to be blamed for it anyway, why not hatch an evil master plan? Moo hahaha.

The lack of evidence is the evidence!!!

114 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:04:19pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, the stalker morons are STILL pushing a conspiracy theory that I'm "coordinating" a plot to oppress and imprison them in #TwitterGulag:

[Embedded content]

Reading his twitter page.
And he wonders why nuts like him get suspended???
Yeesh.

115 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:05:18pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Best conspiracy theory ever!

"Conspiracy"? Are you one of them?

116 wrenchwench  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:05:25pm

SCREEN CAPSSS!!!

117 Gus  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:05:33pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

Reading his twitter page.
And he wonders why nuts like him get suspended???
Yeesh.

Oh yeah. He's one of many. Real winners. //

118 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:06:10pm

re: #117 Gus

Oh yeah. He's one of many. Real winners. //

I need a shower now.

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:06:18pm

I'M A DUMB CONSPIRACY-BELIEVING DIPSHIT AND I VOTE!

120 jaunte  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:06:50pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

Evidence implicates @Lizardoid in self-hatching gulagtrap plan!

121 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:06:53pm

re: #115 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

"Conspiracy"? Are you one of them?

I do have green on my arm. Boo.

122 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:08:26pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I do have green on my arm. Boo.

Dollar doesn't count, Count!

123 Varek Raith  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:09:01pm

re: #122 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Dollar doesn't count, Count!

I'm the vampire here!
Jerk.

124 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:09:24pm

re: #123 Varek Raith

I'm the vampire here!
Jerk.

No, you're just confused.

125 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:09:59pm

re: #122 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Dollar doesn't count, Count!

Shamrock.

126 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:10:46pm

re: #123 Varek Raith

I'm the vampire here!
Jerk.

I vant to vork vor millions.

127 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:11:17pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I vant to vork vor millions.

And I fant to fork for millions.

128 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:12:10pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I do have green on my arm. Boo.

Rub some bacon on it!


Youtube Video
129 Ming  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:12:26pm

The fact that Dana Loesch is on CNN is one reason why I continue to avoid paying for cable TV. There have been many other commentators on the cable news networks (CNN, Fox, MSNBC) who I don't like, but CNN should know better in the case of Dana Loesch. There is no "value added" from her, other than her facility at spewing hatred.

I would guess that some decision-makers at CNN consider her looks to be "value added", but that's only a guess. I'm "reaching" to try to find a reason for someone to put her on TV. I still can't fathom why she's on the same network that sometimes does a great job of reporting the news.

I travel a lot for work and I'm glad I have cable TV in the hotel. I can afford to have it in my home as well, but for some reason, Dana Loesch is the "line in the sand" that I won't cross. There is no way I'm going to pay for cable TV at home while she's on CNN. Her presence just says it too loudly and too clearly: something is WRONG at CNN, big-time.

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:13:08pm

re: #129 Ming

I would guess that some decision-makers at CNN consider her looks to be "value added"

That doesn't explain Beck.

131 aagcobb  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:15:38pm

re: #129 Ming

The fact that Dana Loesch is on CNN is one big reason why I continue to avoid paying for cable TV. There have been many other commentators on the cable news networks (CNN, Fox, MSNBC) who I don't like, but CNN should know better in the case of Dana Loesch. There is no "value added" from her, other than spewing hatred.

I would guess that some decision-makers at CNN consider her looks to be "value added", but that's only a guess. I still can't fathom why she's on the same network that sometimes does a great job of reporting the news.

I travel a lot for work and I'm glad I have cable TV in the hotel, and I can afford to have it in my home as well. For some reason, Dana Loesch is the "line in the sand" that I won't cross; there is no way I'm going to pay for cable TV at home while she's on CNN.

I cut the cable, and the only things I miss are ESPN and NFL RedZone.

132 erik_t  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:16:13pm

Did we cover the overwhelming whiteness of Mitt Romney's better Amerciaica yet?

133 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:19:04pm

Dan Rather has a scoop in Hugo Chavez...

A New Report Says That Hugo Chavez Only Has A Couple Of Months Left Alive At Most

Dan Rather, formerly of CBS News and now of Dan Rather Reports on cable network HDNet, has reportedly heard that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has only a few months to live, and is unlikely to live until planned October 5 elections.

From Rather:

“This reporter has been told that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has metastatic rhabdomyosarcoma, an aggressive cancer that has ‘entered the end stage.’ The information and the quote come from a highly respected source close to Chavez and who is in a position to know his medical condition and history. This source says the prognosis is dire and that Chavez is now not expected to live ‘more than a couple of months at most.’ Chavez is running for re-election in Venezuela but several sources--including the one who revealed the exact kind of cancer-- have told me that they believe it is doubtful the dictator will live to see the results.

Since this is coming from Dan Rather I think this news deserves the 48 hour rule.

134 Interesting Times  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:19:30pm

Meanwhile, in the #jokesWriteThemselves category...

135 jaunte  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:23:26pm

Sununu accuses CNN of birther obsession

One day after Donald Trump accused CNN of covering the birther issue in order to boost its ratings, Mitt Romney surrogate John Sununu accused the network of a fixation with the birther issue.

"Why is CNN so fixated on this?" Sununu, the former New Hampshire Governor, asked CNN's Soledad O'Brien. "It's CNN that wants to bring this up. I don't want to bring it up. Mitt Romney has made it clear that he believes President Obama was born in the U.S. You had Donald Trump on last night, and now you are asking the question this morning. It's CNN's fixation."

"Why do you keep asking me about my racist friends?"

136 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:25:09pm

re: #135 jaunte

Sununu accuses CNN of birther obsession

"Why do you keep asking me about my racist friends?"

It is almost as if Mitt is trying to inject himself with birther antibodies to keep it from infecting him directly while still allowing him direct contact with birthers.

137 aagcobb  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:25:29pm

re: #132 erik_t

Did we cover the overwhelming whiteness of Mitt Romney's better Amerciaica yet?

The GOP needs to at least pretend they care about minorities. Not for the minority vote, because they aren't getting that, but to reassure white swing voters that Romney is safe to vote for.

138 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:26:08pm

re: #135 jaunte

Sununu accuses CNN of birther obsession

"Why do you keep asking me about my racist friends?"

Sununu, why does your candidate hang out with Trump? Oh that's right he wants his money because he's a desperate pandering idiot.

139 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:26:56pm

re: #133 NJDhockeyfan

Dan Rather has a scoop in Hugo Chavez...

A New Report Says That Hugo Chavez Only Has A Couple Of Months Left Alive At Most

Since this is coming from Dan Rather I think this news deserves the 48 hour rule.

This makes how many reports in the last few weeks/months that Chavez is on death's door? He truly has become like Castro, forever on death's doorstep.

140 jaunte  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:27:37pm

4/27/11:
Trump: 'Very proud of myself'

Real estate mogul and possible Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump claimed credit Wednesday for President Obama's decision to release his long-form birth certificate.

Trump, speaking in the key GOP primary state of New Hampshire, said he hoped the release of Obama's birth certificate Wednesday morning, authorized by the White House, would put to rest questions about the president's birthplace.

141 aagcobb  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:29:34pm

re: #140 jaunte

4/27/11:
Trump: 'Very proud of myself'

Trump didn't know then that the nirth curtifkate was a forgery! Thanks Sheriff Joe!

142 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:29:44pm

re: #140 jaunte

4/27/11:
Trump: 'Very proud of myself'

And by rest, he meant he would still be talking about it being illegitimate one year later. And Romney's campaign is mad that the media is focusing on their relationship with this creep. Maybe if Mitt actually could raise money on his own merits rather than being a suck up to the right wing..........

143 jaunte  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:30:24pm

Crypto-birther speak: "I take him at his word."

144 dragonath  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:31:26pm

re: #129 Ming

Well we are dealing with cable executives here. These are the same people who dropped MST3K and replaced it with pro wrestling.

145 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:31:48pm

If they don't believe it, Dana, why do they keep saying it?

Dana may actually be on to something, the first candid admission that many wingnut positions are "naked emperor" phenomena: None of the wingers actually believe in, say, young Earth creationism or the infallibility of free markets, they just see the other wingers getting away with invoking this foolishness for their financial gain and figure they can do likewise.

146 Bulworth  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:32:34pm

The birther comments are some fabulous derpapalooza.

147 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:32:37pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Since this is coming from Dan Rather I think this news deserves the 48 hour rule.

This makes how many reports in the last few weeks/months that Chavez is on death's door? He truly has become like Castro, forever on death's doorstep.

Che is still dead though.

148 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:34:07pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

Che is still dead though.

Che will live as long as his face sells t-shirts to misinformed college students!

149 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:34:41pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

Che is still dead though.

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead too.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:35:56pm

re: #149 NJDhockeyfan

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead too.

I want to see the long-form death certificate...

151 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:36:30pm

re: #148 Kragar

Che will live as long as his face sells t-shirts to misinformed college students!

I have a Che wearing a Che shirt that I got from the Onion. My cousins didn't get the joke and thought I was a commie. Dad and I had to explain it. Took a while heh.

152 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:36:55pm

re: #132 erik_t

Did we cover the overwhelming whiteness of Mitt Romney's better Amerciaica yet?

I'm proud to be a Mercian!

153 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:37:21pm

When vouchers finally pass, you'll probably be able to get funding for an elementary school based on rejection of the law of gravity.

Has it occurred to the wingers that the same vouchers that would let them set up creationist superstition academies would also allow Red parents to open communist indoctrination camps, or radical Muslims to create their own madrassas at taxpayer expense?

154 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:38:35pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

When vouchers finally pass, you'll probably be able to get funding for an elementary school based on rejection of the law of gravity.

Has it occurred to the wingers that the same vouchers that would let them set up creationist superstition academies would also allow Red parents to open communist indoctrination camps, or radical Muslims to create their own madrassas at taxpayer expense?

See, they think their creationist Christian schools should get favored by the law. Problem solved. Christian prayer in school but prayer in Arabic, hell to pay.

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:38:53pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Since this is coming from Dan Rather I think this news deserves the 48 hour rule.

This makes how many reports in the last few weeks/months that Chavez is on death's door? He truly has become like Castro, forever on death's doorstep.

Death has a very big porch apparently.

156 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:39:16pm

Hey all:

‘Nobody Believes Obama Wasn’t Born in Hawaii’

I think there is a double or maybe a triple negative in there. I can't interpret.

How is everyone?

157 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:40:03pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

See, they think their creationist Christian schools should get favored by the law. Problem solved. Christian prayer in school but prayer in Arabic, hell to pay.

If they get to jabber their nonsense, then I expect to be able to pray "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" whenever the fuck I want to.

158 wrenchwench  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:40:04pm

re: #152 Kragar

I'm proud to be a Mercian!

As you should be.

Image: mercian2.jpg

159 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:40:08pm

re: #155 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Death has a very big porch apparently.

But stay out of the hot tub, it's like stew in there.

160 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:40:36pm

I can see the voucher school yellow pages now, with Mama Mao's Academy for Young Workers right next to the Reverend Jim Bob High School for Advanced Creationist Study.

161 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:40:54pm

re: #157 Kragar

If they get to jabber their nonsense, then I expect to be able to pray "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" whenever the fuck I want to.

I want to set up a Church of Latter Day Whiskey Drinkers.

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:41:35pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

FSM Spaghetti House. With free beer.

163 Lidane  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:41:51pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

Has it occurred to the wingers that the same vouchers that would let them set up creationist superstition academies would also allow Red parents to open communist indoctrination camps, or radical Muslims to create their own madrassas at taxpayer expense?

Well, duh. Why do you think they want to outlaw all foreign law?

///

164 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:42:18pm

re: #162 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

FSM Spaghetti House. With free beer.

Free beer? I;m always down.

165 wrenchwench  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:42:40pm

Don't forget the Feline Overlords, or there will be hell to pay...

166 erik_t  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:42:42pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

When vouchers finally pass, you'll probably be able to get funding for an elementary school based on rejection of the law of gravity.

Has it occurred to the wingers that the same vouchers that would let them set up creationist superstition academies would also allow Red parents to open communist indoctrination camps, or radical Muslims to create their own madrassas at taxpayer expense?

Easy solution! We'll just tell groups of parents what worldviews are and are not deserving of federal funding.

GOP: government small enough to fit inside your kindergartner's head.

167 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:43:01pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I want to set up a Church of Latter Day Whiskey Drinkers.

The Hedonist Hall for the Study and Practice of the Debauched Arts, 18 year old minimum.

Oh, wait, we already have those. They are called "colleges."

168 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:43:35pm

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel

The Hedonist Hall for the Study and Practice of the Debauched Arts, 18 year old minimum.

Oh, wait, we already have those. They are called "colleges."

How I miss it so. Well kinda.

169 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:43:40pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

As you should be.

Image: mercian2.jpg

Image: osehnc00101.JPG

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:44:14pm

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel

The Hedonist Hall for the Study and Practice of the Debauched Arts, 18 year old minimum.

Oh, wait, we already have those. They are called "colleges."

We'll send you right off to Liberty U to get straightened out about that.
/

171 jaunte  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:44:30pm

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel

The Hedonist Hall for the Study and Practice of the Debauched Arts, 18 year old minimum.

Oh, wait, we already have those. They are called "colleges."

I understand one can minor in Aquabuddhism.

172 Lidane  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:44:54pm

re: #146 Bulworth

The birther comments are some fabulous derpapalooza.

I can't wait for the explosion of derp if Barack Obama wins a second term.

173 wrenchwench  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:44:54pm

re: #169 Kragar

Image: osehnc00101.JPG

Eh. To each one's own...

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:45:11pm

re: #169 Kragar

Image: osehnc00101.JPG

Is the child oiling his left ankle because the metal joint seized up?
;)

175 Gus  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:46:02pm

re: #152 Kragar

I'm proud to be a Mercian!

Teh Meixcans are invading teh Mercia!

//

176 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:46:12pm

re: #170 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

We'll send you right off to Liberty U to get straightened out about that.
/

Nah, that's just the Advanced Center for Stealth Debauchery. (Does anyone really think the Libertines never get laid or drunk?)

177 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:46:37pm

re: #170 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

We'll send you right off to Liberty U to get straightened out about that.
/

Liberty U: Where even Christian Rock is heresy. And I wish I were making that up. They famously prohibited a College Democrats chapter. Not that I understand why a Democrat or frankly anyone would want to go there but they did do that.

178 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:46:39pm

You Are Not Prepared For The Zombie Outbreak

179 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:47:17pm

I'll tell you, Lizards, one can never tell what is going to happen after we get out of bed in the morning.

Yesterday, Grandma had an appointment at the dentist to have an old, decayed filling replaced. When it was all finished, her jaw had dislocated one one side and the dentist got it to go back in, but it slipped out again.

So, instead of going to lunch, we went to a TMJ specialist. The TMJ specialist wouldn't touch her. Back to the Dentist, who made an appointment with an Oral Surgeon for today. Yes, Grandma had to live thru the night like this.

Since, we requested pain meds to help Grandma get thru this, Princess Dog and I spent the night to be sure she didn't fall and break a hip. No guest bed, so both of us were on the floor.

Needless to say, when Grandma woke-up this morning, all was well. She had no memory of any issue with her jaw. "Mom, your mouth is back to normal!"
"What are you talking about? Do you want me to make coffee?"

Yes, I have a migraine because of the stress, never getting lunch (I had a Jamba Juice Smoothie for dinner) and sleeping on the floor. Grandma thinks I"m crazy. Princess Dog is very glad to be home.

180 jaunte  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:47:35pm

Mitt was once a Mercian warrior before he took an error to the knee.

181 Lidane  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:47:54pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Liberty U: Where even Christian Rock is heresy. And I wish I were making that up. They famously prohibited a College Democrats chapter. Not that I understand why a Democrat or frankly anyone would want to go there but they did do that.

There are a lot of conservative Southern Democrats who are pretty much indistinguishable from wingnuts. No surprise that some of them would end up at Liberty U.

182 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:47:58pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

You Are Not Prepared For The Zombie Outbreak

I am.

183 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:48:56pm

Longtime White Supremacist to Serve on Penn. County GOP Committee

Steve Smith, a longtime racist activist with a history of violence and top-level ties to numerous white nationalist hate groups, has been elected to a 4-year term on the Republican Party’s county committee for Luzerne County, Penn., One People’s Project reports.

Recruited into the neo-Nazi movement while he was stationed at Fort Bragg in the 1990s, Smith, of Pittston, Penn., has been active in an extraordinary array of white nationalist, skinhead, and neo-Nazi groups, including American Third Position, Keystone United (formerly Keystone State Skinheads), and the Council of Conservative Citizens. He is a former Aryan Nations member and former leader of the Philadelphia chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of White People, which was created by former Klan leader David Duke but is no longer associated with him. Smith also belongs to a Pennsylvania-based group called the European American Action Coalition (EAAC), which according to its website was formed in fall 2011 “by a few well known White activists in the great and historic state of Pennsylvania.”

184 Gus  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:49:16pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

As you should be.

Image: mercian2.jpg

Image: Mercian-avt1.jpg

185 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:49:27pm

re: #181 Lidane

There are a lot of conservative Southern Democrats who are pretty much indistinguishable from wingnuts. No surprise that some of them would end up at Liberty U.

I know. Anyhow, the university's line was that the principles of the Democratic Party are against their pinricplse hence why Falwell Jr prohibited its presence. Now ask yourself, can you imagine the reaction if a private liberal arts college forbade a College Republicans chapter?

186 Gus  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:50:01pm

Nicer one...

Image: cc178-1Dscn1801.jpg

187 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:50:31pm

re: #183 Kragar

Longtime White Supremacist to Serve on Penn. County GOP Committee

Lovely.

188 wrenchwench  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:50:47pm

re: #184 Gus

Image: Mercian-avt1.jpg

There's a beauty!

(Where's Ojoe now? He was asking for nerdy bike posts...)

189 lawhawk  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:51:47pm

re: #186 Gus

Gotta talk to Chad.

190 Big Steve  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:52:21pm

re: #25 Simply Sarah

"We need to amend the Constitution to remove the silly 'natural born citizen' requirement for president because it is outdated, xenophobic, and doesn't reflect reality."

What! And open the door for Arnold!!! Never

191 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:52:56pm

re: #189 lawhawk

Gotta talk to Chad.

Hanging?

192 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:53:28pm

re: #190 Big Steve

What! And open the door for Arnold!!! Never

Why do you hate Demolition Man?

193 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:53:49pm

re: #191 ggt

Hanging?

Well, he was popular with the ladies...

194 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:53:58pm

re: #192 Kragar

Why do you hate Demolition Man?

No, that was Sylvester.

196 Gus  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:54:40pm

re: #191 ggt

Hanging?

Dimpled.

197 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:54:46pm

Princess Dog is a seasoned show dog, yet she didn't like the elevators at Grandma's at all. She's been in numerous hotels.

Strange.

198 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:55:12pm

re: #196 Gus

Dimpled.

TMI

199 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:55:26pm

re: #183 Kragar

Longtime White Supremacist to Serve on Penn. County GOP Committee

Just add his name to the list of other white nationalists who seem to be gaining a firmer foothold within the Republican power structure (see Iowa and Texas GOP platforms for proof of this).

200 Gus  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:55:34pm

re: #188 wrenchwench

There's a beauty!

(Where's Ojoe now? He was asking for nerdy bike posts...)

Whig meeting? //

More here: [Link: www.merciancycles.co.uk...]

201 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:56:17pm

Why would anyone say they were Mercian?

202 jaunte  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:56:54pm

Rush: It's all Blitzer's fault
Image: Screen_shot_2012-05-30_at_2.55.47_PM.png

203 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:57:21pm

re: #195 erik_t

Unfortunately, not as deep in the heart of Pennsyltucky as one might think.

Yep near Scranton. Biden's hometown.

204 Gus  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:57:37pm

re: #202 jaunte

Rush: It's all Blitzer's fault
Image: Screen_shot_2012-05-30_at_2.55.47_PM.png

Weirdos.

205 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:58:07pm

Trump no more believes the birther nonsense than any one else does. It's a way to get attention.

206 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:58:27pm

re: #202 jaunte

Rush: It's all Blitzer's fault
Image: Screen_shot_2012-05-30_at_2.55.47_PM.png

More of that famed conservative personal responsibility. When we say stupid crap on the air. It's the media's fault for asking us questions in the first places. Le typical from Bust Boy.

207 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:58:27pm

re: #194 ggt

No, that was Sylvester.

In Demolition Man, they talk about the Schwarzenegger Presidential library and the constitutional amendment that let him run for office.

Your lack of knowledge about snippets of conversation from decades old movies concerns me.

208 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:59:22pm

Stop quoting us and having us on your TV shows even though we go there voluntarily! It's not our fault we're stupid twits.

209 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 12:59:57pm

re: #207 Kragar

In Demolition Man, they talk about the Schwarzenegger Presidential library and the constitutional amendment that let him run for office.

You are correct!

210 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:01:58pm

re: #209 ggt

You are correct!

I always am. Those incidents where I appear wrong were simply rhetorical tools to advance the conversation.

211 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:02:11pm

Tell me, I may be wrong.

Is the Vatican less transparant than Syria?

212 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:02:32pm

re: #207 Kragar

In Demolition Man, they talk about the Schwarzenegger Presidential library and the constitutional amendment that let him run for office.

Yeah, but they also promised that LA would turn into a warzone before being destroyed in "The Big One" of 2010.

They lied to me!

//

213 Gus  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:03:12pm

Speaking of weirdos...

The Jenny McCarthy Body Count

214 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:03:23pm

re: #205 ggt

Trump no more believes the birther nonsense than any one else does. It's a way to get attention.

Problem is when one's ego gets in the way of rational thought, as is the case with Trump.

The correct response when someone calls you out on your BS isn't to stamp your feet like a three-year-old screaming "why won't anyone listen to me?"

215 dragonfire1981  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:03:29pm

Maybe voters really do have short memories?

Mitt Romney gains support from women in latest poll

216 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:03:32pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Yeah, but they also promised that LA would turn into a warzone before being destroyed in "The Big One" of 2010.

They lied to me!

//

So Taco Bell might not be about the win the franchise wars?

217 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:03:55pm

Canada police find second body part in post

The package was X-rayed, and police have now confirmed it was a human foot. They will not say whether it is a right or left foot, and whether it belonged to a man or a woman.

The second package was discovered in the course of the investigation, but police will not say who it was addressed to.

The torso in Montreal, which is about 200km (125 miles) east of Ottawa, was discovered by a janitor in a pile of rubbish. Police there are now searching the area for further human remains.

The janitor, Mike Nadeau, 49, told the Ottawa Citizen that he had noticed a smell coming from the suitcase in the past few days.

"I noticed flies and when I looked closer I saw maggots," he told them.

218 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:04:25pm

re: #216 Kragar

So Taco Bell might not be about the win the franchise wars?

Look on the bright side, we won't be forced to go vegan. *shudders*

219 lawhawk  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:04:41pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Call me Snake. /

220 erik_t  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:05:10pm

re: #215 dragonfire1981

Maybe voters really do have short memories?

Mitt Romney gains support from women in latest poll

Maybe. The polling that showed dramatically poor female support was so widespread and robust that I'll be interested to see if any other polls duplicate this result.

221 lawhawk  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:05:25pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

Or have to deal with the three shells.

222 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:05:29pm

re: #213 Gus

Speaking of weirdos...

The Jenny McCarthy Body Count

But, hey, better safe than sorry.

My kid might get polio, but we won't be autistic!!!!

/gah

223 Gus  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:06:39pm

¡Ay, caramba!. The stupid it burns: Indigo Children

224 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:07:25pm

re: #214 RadicalModerate

Problem is when one's ego gets in the way of rational thought, as is the case with Trump.

The correct response when someone calls you out on your BS isn't to stamp your feet like a three-year-old screaming "why won't anyone listen to me?"

All the rhetoric is a smoke screen. The problem is when people who should know better decided to play around in it.

225 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:07:33pm

re: #215 dragonfire1981

Maybe voters really do have short memories?

Mitt Romney gains support from women in latest poll

It's going to be close. What I don't get is how voters suddenly "forget". Romney's still for doing away with PP, he's still pandering to extreme social conservatism, and he's still a worse choice for president. I think Obama will beat him ultimately.

226 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:08:01pm

re: #215 dragonfire1981

Maybe voters really do have short memories?

Mitt Romney gains support from women in latest poll

My guess? The media moved on, so the voters have moved on. Women voters in particular are breathing a sigh of (false) relief that the danger to their rights has passed and going back to believing that the events of earlier this year were just a case of GOP overreach instead of part of a long-term agenda.

227 Gus  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:08:32pm

BBL

228 lawhawk  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:08:54pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Most folks aren't really paying attention all that closely - they aren't all that engaged despite how it seems online. Democrats better hammer home that point as the election nears - and Obama better go all in during the debates on domestic issues.

230 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:10:03pm

re: #228 lawhawk

Most folks aren't really paying attention all that closely - they aren't all that engaged despite how it seems online. Democrats better hammer home that point as the election nears - and Obama better go all in during the debates on domestic issues.

He needs to. Romney's no moderate. Voters need to get that.

231 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:11:50pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

He needs to. Romney's no moderate. Voters need to get that.

The "moderates" will keep convincing themselves that the things Romney's saying now are just what he needs to say to keep the wingnuts on his side.

232 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:12:21pm

re: #223 Gus

¡Ay, caramba!. The stupid it burns: Indigo Children

Anyone with mental illness or a different learning style relates to the world differently than the rest of us. Which inherently means their perpective is unique and occasionlly, actually, correct.

I knew an autistic child once who would say "Mommy look at the deer" while riding in the car. There would be no visible deer, and after they passed the area, Mom would see deer crossing the street behind her.

Somehow, this child could interpret stimuli differently than everyone else. Either her visual skills were better at sorting the natural camoflauge of the deer or perhaps she heard things other's didn't. Either way, it is not a sign of supernatural powers. Just different skills at interpreting the world.

We could spend lots of resources on this, but in the end isn't it better to help the child integrate into a functional life?

233 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:12:44pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

The "moderates" will keep convincing themselves that the things Romney's saying now are just what he needs to say to keep the wingnuts on his side.

True. On the plus side, most of the polls I've seen here in Va have us voting Kaine over Allen. Last thing this state needs is that boob back in elected office.

234 erik_t  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:12:56pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

He needs to. Romney's no moderate. Voters need to get that.

He's not a moderate, he's not a conservative, he's not a man looking to serve the nation anywhere on the spectrum. He's Gordon fucking Gekko, nothing more and nothing less.

235 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:13:09pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

True. On the plus side, most of the polls I've seen here in Va have us voting Kaine over Allen. Last thing this state needs is that boob back in elected office.

Fuckin' A.

236 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:13:37pm

re: #234 erik_t

He's not a moderate, he's not a conservative, he's not a man looking to serve the nation anywhere on the spectrum. He's Gordon fucking Gekko, nothing more and nothing less.

This country seems to be like a personal resume item to him. Creeps me out that Mr. I like firing people sees things like that.

237 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:15:06pm

Honestly, I think the debates will help Obama here. The debates are where most American see the candidates and Romney I think will come off as the bs artist he is at the debates.

238 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:15:32pm

re: #189 lawhawk

Gotta talk to Chad.

Is he an ancestor to Chad Vader?

239 allegro  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:16:50pm

re: #232 ggt

I suspect Ms McCarthy simply cannot accept that her special snowflake is an ordinary human after all with an autistic disorder.

240 jaunte  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:17:04pm

Roger Ailes’ Secret Nixon-Era Blueprint for Fox News

The 15-page plan begins with an acknowledgment that television had emerged as the most powerful news source in large part because "people are lazy" and want their thinking done for them:

"Today television news is watched more often than people read newspapers, than people listen to the radio, than people read or gather any other form of communication. The reason: People are lazy. With television you just sit—watch—listen. The thinking is done for you."

241 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:17:05pm

re: #195 erik_t

Unfortunately, not as deep in the heart of Pennsyltucky as one might think.

Drove through there on I-80 just yesterday.

Pennsylvania is essentially Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Alabama inbetween.

242 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:17:30pm

Curt Schilling blames Rhode Island for his business going under

243 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:18:18pm

re: #241 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Drove through there on I-80 just yesterday.

Pennsylvania is essentially Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Alabama inbetween.

That's what Carville always said. My family from Pittsburgh proper were always more liberal in the broad sense of the word than those from outside the city in Cambria.

244 Lidane  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:19:35pm

re: #242 Kragar

Curt Schilling blames Rhode Island for his business going under

Of course he does. He's a Republican. Why would he take responsibility for anything as mundane as his business failing? Clearly, it's the government's fault. =P

245 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:19:56pm

re: #242 Kragar

Curt Schilling blames Rhode Island for his business going under

So, the Tea Partier Schilling is mad that he didn't get government money to keep his failing business afloat?

246 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:20:42pm

re: #242 Kragar

Curt Schilling blames Rhode Island for his business going under

Is the man penniless these days? Didn't he have enough bread in his own bank accounts to cover the payments?

247 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:20:54pm

Apparently personal responsibility is for conservative Republicans too Schill. Great pitcher but a total dickhead off the field.

248 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:21:44pm

re: #242 Kragar

Curt Schilling blames Rhode Island for his business going under

No, Curt, your company went under because you put all your resources into trying to develop a super-expensive MMO, which even if it came out would have likely failed because the MMO market is utterly brutal and devours the vast majority of those that attempt to enter it.

249 erik_t  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:21:54pm

re: #244 Lidane

Of course he does. He's a Republican. Why would he take responsibility for anything as mundane as his business failing? Clearly, it's the government's fault. =P

A few more years of failure and he'll be fit to run for President!

250 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:22:15pm

re: #248 Simply Sarah

No, Curt, your company went under because you put all your resources into trying to develop a super-expensive MMO, which even if it came out would have likely failed because the MMO market is utterly brutal and devours the vast majority of those that attempt to enter it.

As seen in the pile of skulls stacked outside WoW's cave these days.

251 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:23:02pm

re: #239 allegro

I suspect Ms McCarthy simply cannot accept that her special snowflake is an ordinary human after all with an autistic disorder.

IIRC, the child was re-diagnosed with a different disorder.

252 jaunte  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:23:27pm

re: #242 Kragar

Curt Schilling blames Rhode Island for his business going under

A Rhode Island law requiring that tax credits only go to productions "formed under the laws of the state of Rhode Island" could leave 38 Studios on the hook for even more money.

The company's offices and registration were established in Rhode Island back in September of 2010, but its limited liability corporation status was organized in Delaware*.
[Link: www.gametrailers.com...]

*I guess they saved paying some taxes.

253 Big Steve  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:24:33pm

Just want to say that in my neck of the woods (Houston-Galveston) tea party candidates got shellacked in the GOP primaries yesterday in Texas. Not a single Tea Party backed candidate won.

254 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:24:42pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

As seen in the pile of skulls stacked outside WoW's cave these days.

I really had high hopes for SW:TOR, but I don't think its going to go anywhere.

255 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:26:21pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

Is the man penniless these days? Didn't he have enough bread in his own bank accounts to cover the payments?

From what I hear, it really does sound like 38 Studios was hemorrhaging money. Project Copernicus was being talked about as still being at least a year away from release and Kingdoms of Amalur, while seemingly selling decently, supposedly needed to hit 3 million sales just to break even and hasn't even gotten half of that.

256 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:27:20pm

re: #248 Simply Sarah

No, Curt, your company went under because you put all your resources into trying to develop a super-expensive MMO, which even if it came out would have likely failed because the MMO market is utterly brutal and devours the vast majority of those that attempt to enter it.

Yup. Consider the fact that there has been exactly ONE title that has put even an insignificant dent in the WoW market share for MMORPGs. And even Star Wars:The Old Republic, as well thought out as it is on the storyline side, is having problems hanging on to long-term players - but part of this might be due to ineptitude on EA's part in the fact that they honestly released a game about four months before it was truly ready- and still is plagued with stability problems.

257 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:27:41pm

re: #254 Kragar

I really had high hopes for SW:TOR, but I don't think its going to go anywhere.

Well, I don't know about TOR, but I know part of the problem many MMOs have had is that they've tried to be WoW, but different! Which doesn't work so well when you still have, you know, WoW with an established game and community.

258 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:30:49pm

re: #255 Simply Sarah

From what I hear, it really does sound like 38 Studios was hemorrhaging money. Project Copernicus was being talked about as still being at least a year away from release and Kingdoms of Amalur, while seemingly selling decently, supposedly needed to hit 3 million sales just to break even and hasn't even gotten half of that.

According to Wiki, it hasn't even sold half a mil.

259 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:31:20pm

re: #257 Simply Sarah

Well, I don't know about TOR, but I know part of the problem many MMOs have had is that they've tried to be WoW, but different! Which doesn't work so well when you still have, you know, WoW with an established game and community.

Yeah, but the thing is, that WoW is really leaving some low-hanging fruit right now because the last expansion was, from a gameplay standpoint, a total dud - which is what happens when you move your best and brightest design/programming teams off of the project like Blizzard/Activision did. And the upcoming Panderia expansion is not generating any significant excitement in the community AT ALL.

260 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:31:35pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

According to Wiki, it hasn't even sold half a mil.

I know Curt was claiming the other day that it had moved a million units total. Even if that's true, it was far from enough.

261 Obdicut  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:31:39pm

re: #254 Kragar

I really had high hopes for SW:OTR, but I don't think its going to go anywhere.

It's a really great game, it's just not really much of an MMO.

262 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:32:33pm

re: #259 RadicalModerate

Yeah, but the thing is, that WoW is really leaving some low-hanging fruit right now because the last expansion was, from a gameplay standpoint, a total dud - which is what happens when you move your best and brightest design/programming teams off of the project like Blizzard/Activision did. And the upcoming Panderia expansion is not generating any significant excitement in the community AT ALL.

Sure, but I'd much rather see something new and interesting rather than yet another retread of WoW-like gameplay.

263 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:32:48pm

re: #261 Obdicut

It's a really great game, it's just not really much of an MMO.

Pretty much. Plus I've heard the words "rail shooter" used to describe the space combat too many times for it to sound enjoyable.

264 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:33:14pm

re: #263 Targetpractice

Pretty much. Plus I've heard the words "rail shooter" used to describe the space combat too many times for it to sound enjoyable.

What's wrong with rail shooters?

265 Lidane  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:34:52pm

re: #255 Simply Sarah

I'm still confused how the hell it needed to sell 3 million copies to break even. It released with a $60 price point. By my flawed math, that means they needed to earn $180 million in sales for it before it made any money.

Even when you take away the retailer markups and pay off all the manufacturers and distributors and all the rest, that's insane. Was the point that they had to pay off the entire set of loans with that first game in order to get any future funding?

266 Kragar  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:34:56pm

re: #261 Obdicut

It's a really great game, it's just not really much of an MMO.

Yeah, it was fun, but not $15 a month subscription fun. I got a few characters to 50, got the storylines completed, then took a look around and said, "Eh."

267 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:35:43pm

re: #264 Simply Sarah

What's wrong with rail shooters?

Other than the fact that they don't really fit into what an MMO is supposed to be? Games like Diablo III, on the other hand are, and so so rather well, if you turn your brain off for the storyline that reads like it was made by a group of fifth-graders.

268 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:36:27pm

re: #264 Simply Sarah

What's wrong with rail shooters?

Folks like being able to control their ships, move them in ways that maximize their firepower/shielding/etc while minimizing that of their enemy, and so forth. Turning it into a rail shooter, where the challenge is just shooting the bad guys fast enough that they don't shoot you, takes all the fun out of space combat.

269 Obdicut  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:38:22pm

re: #266 Kragar

Yeah, they might come up with something nifty but since they just fired a ton of staff, probably not.

270 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:38:31pm

re: #268 Targetpractice

Folks like being able to control their ships, move them in ways that maximize their firepower/shielding/etc while minimizing that of their enemy, and so forth. Turning it into a rail shooter, where the challenge is just shooting the bad guys fast enough that they don't shoot you, takes all the fun out of space combat.

Huh? A rail shooter just means you don't control the path you take (Well, not directly). It basically means any 3D shooter environment without full control. For example, Star Fox and non-free range levels in Star Fox 64.

271 Targetpractice  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:40:40pm

re: #270 Simply Sarah

Huh? A rail shooter just means you don't control the path you take (Well, not directly). It basically means any 3D shooter environment without full control. For example, Star Fox and non-free range levels in Star Fox 64.

And that's what I'm getting at, people were signing on for full control, being able to move about in a 3D plain without restrictions.

272 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 30, 2012 1:45:22pm

re: #265 Lidane

I'm still confused how the hell it needed to sell 3 million copies to break even. It released with a $60 price point. By my flawed math, that means they needed to earn $180 million in sales for it before it made any money.

Even when you take away the retailer markups and pay off all the manufacturers and distributors and all the rest, that's insane. Was the point that they had to pay off the entire set of loans with that first game in order to get any future funding?

Well, to be fair, it was Chafee saying this, so take it with a large grain of salt.

273 Obdicut  Wed, May 30, 2012 2:49:03pm

re: #265 Lidane

I'm still confused how the hell it needed to sell 3 million copies to break even. It released with a $60 price point. By my flawed math, that means they needed to earn $180 million in sales for it before it made any money.

They co-published with EA. They probably get a relatively small part of that $60.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 30, 2012 10:20:43pm

re: #11 Learned Mother of Zion

I believe Donald Trump is a tumor growing out of a bunch of hair that was subjected to radiation.

Prove he isn't!

Apparently there's a Lovecraft story about a woman whose hair, after being subjected to much hair product, becomes a living and malevolent entity.

I worry.


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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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