CNN’s Dana Loesch Says Ending Friendships With People Because They’re Gay Is Just Part of Being a Conservative Teen

Now claims she was defending free speech.
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The Advocate Magazine published a post today pointing out CNN contributer Dana Loesch’s defense of some questionable comments from a teenager on YouTube. During a YouTube rant Caiden Cowger said, among other things, that he used to be friends with other teenagers but when he found out that they were gay he was “sickened.” He also said that homosexuality is a “perverted choice” and that President Obama and Vice President Biden were “making kids gay”.

In response to these comments, Loesch said via Twitter:

Of course, Loesch is now trying to claim that she was just defending free speech, but no one was questioning whether Cowger had a right to say what he did. By saying that his comments were just part of “being a conservative teen,” Loesch was suggesting Cowger’s views were more than just legally protected and, in fact, that they were just a natural part of being conservative. While the country is going to hell in a handbasket in a lot of other ways, I think we can at least say we’ve reached a point where even many conservatives are no longer attacking homosexuality and certainly not ending friendships with people just because they’re gay, and this behavior should hardly be considered the norm.

Loesch’s “evolving” stance on LGBT issues is symbolic of her career in general. She used to be publicly supportive of the LGBT community, and supposedly still is privately. However, as long as she’s getting paid to be a shock jock and trying to increase the knuckle-dragger share of her audience, she’s happy to bash any and all liberal gay rights advocates and to throw red meat to bigots. Just as she voted for Romney in the 2008 primary before figuring out it was more profitable to be a “radical conservative,” she was cool with equality before she realized it paid more to pander to far right extremists.

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1 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 2:01:26pm

civic participation in white sheets, yep

2 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 2:04:27pm

If I was friends with Ms. Loesch I'd stop because I won't be friends with a pandering douchebag.

3 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 2:46:32pm

re: #2 Romantic Heretic

And ending friendships with people because they are pandering Douche-bags is just part of being liberal.

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 4:06:51pm

Hunh.

My brother is pretty conservative, and when he found out a friend (in high school) was gay,* he was still his friend.

Someone must have forgotten to tell him how to do it properly.

*not that anyone was shocked

5 erik_t  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:37:27pm

The depressing part is, at least based on what 'conservative' means right now in this country, she's probably right.

6 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:38:00pm

In fairness, she IS an expert on what it's like to be a conservative teenager, given that she's been one for the past 20 years.

7 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:39:11pm

They really have a real problem with treating people like human beings.

8 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:39:40pm

re: #4 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Hunh.

My brother is pretty conservative, and when he found out a friend (in high school) was gay,* he was still his friend.

Someone must have forgotten to tell him how to do it properly.

*not that anyone was shocked

Duh, he's not a real conservative.
/

9 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:42:03pm

I honestly don't know if I feel sorry or angry at this 14 year old, hell I'll feel sorry for him and angry for the movement which abuses him as a mouthpiece through which to project their simplistic pablum.

10 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:42:25pm

re: #7 Kragar

They really have a real problem with treating people like human beings.

The world is a much simpler place when it's arranged into only two possible groups - 'Friend' and 'Foe'; no complex decisions have to be made.

11 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:42:37pm

The dreaded Mary Chastain is totally losing her shit. Dozens of tweets already. My favorite so far:

NOBODY FUCKS WITH DANA LOESCH! NOBODY!!!1

12 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:43:34pm

Someone's going to bust a blood vessel.

13 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:44:35pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

The dreaded Mary Chastain is totally losing her shit. Dozens of tweets already. My favorite so far:

[Embedded content] NOBODY FUCKS WITH DANA LOESCH! NOBODY!!!1

14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:45:18pm

Her full timeline is a real hoot:

[Link: twitter.com...]

15 erik_t  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:46:51pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

The dreaded Mary Chastain is totally losing her shit. Dozens of tweets already. My favorite so far:

Who or what is a Mary Chastain? Or is that the point?

16 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:47:10pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Her full timeline is a real hoot:

[Link: twitter.com...]

CHANGE IT!!!
///

17 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:47:50pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Her full timeline is a real hoot:

[Link: twitter.com...]

All I need to know is that she considers herself an expert on 'Fast and Furious', and 'proves' it with a link to an article by wackadoodle Sheryl Attkisson.

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:47:53pm

Bleh. Snoot full of paint fumes.

Nevertheless--seriously--to be unkind is not Christian.

Every person you see is a sinner, including the person in the mirror, and we are supposed to be kind to everyone. Everyone.

19 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:47:56pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

The dreaded Mary Chastain is totally losing her shit. Dozens of tweets already. My favorite so far:

[Embedded content] NOBODY FUCKS WITH DANA LOESCH! NOBODY!!!1

Mary, two words: Anger Management.

20 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:49:46pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

All I need to know is that she considers herself an expert on 'Fast and Furious', and 'proves' it with a link to an article by wackadoodle Sheryl Attkisson.

With an avatar of Brian Terry for added 'sincerity'.

21 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:50:36pm

Logical conclusions based on reading comprehension, inference and context = Not a conservative strong point

22 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:50:46pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

oh. I did not think it was her.

23 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:51:13pm

And suddenly she has a

SCREEENCAPPP!!!1

24 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:52:10pm
25 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:53:25pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

The dreaded Mary Chastain is totally losing her shit. Dozens of tweets already. My favorite so far:

[Embedded content] NOBODY FUCKS WITH DANA LOESCH! NOBODY!!!1

"Nobody puts Dana Baby in the corner Twitter Gulag!!1"

Because you just know what Loech and her band of fools are going to say next: Charles is trying to get her account "sent to the gulag" by calling attention to its ugly contents. Sample Tweet:

How DARE Chuck post what Dana tweeted! He wants her banned because she mocked his ponytail!!!11 #WAR!!1

26 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:55:13pm

These people wouldn't know decency if it walked up and punched them in the crotch.

27 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:55:59pm

Sorry to post and run, but BBL.

28 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:56:25pm

The context doesn't change the negative meaning of the Loesch tweet, it reinforces it.

29 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:57:38pm

I do have to say Mary looks a bit mannish in her twitpic

30 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:57:55pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

"Nobody puts Dana Baby in the corner Twitter Gulag!!1"

Because you just know what Loech and her band of fools are going to say next: Charles is trying to get her account "sent to the gulag" by calling attention to its ugly contents.

Just for the heck of it I blocked her.

31 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:58:32pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

Just for the heck of it I blocked her.

STALIN!

32 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:59:04pm

I'm half tempted to get a twit account just so I can block people.

33 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 5:59:37pm

re: #29 Kragar

I do have to say Mary looks a bit mannish in her twitpic

HEY THAT'S A DEAD MAN KILLED BY OBAMA WITH HIS FAST AND FURIOUS!!!1

34 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:00:11pm

re: #21 Kragar

Logical conclusions based on reading comprehension, inference and context = Not a conservative strong point

Well, this is the Decade of Nuance, is it not?

35 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:01:17pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

He was probably in a union.

36 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:01:31pm

re: #34 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Well, this is the Decade of Nuance, is it not?

Conservative Decade of !Nuance

37 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:02:00pm

re: #34 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Well, this is the Decade of Nuance, is it not?

Conservatives got the wrong memo, they think its the Decade of Dunces.

38 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:02:45pm

re: #26 Kragar

[Embedded content] These people wouldn't know decency if it walked up and punched them in the crotch.

This is the same person who got reported to the FBI by fellow wingnuts after twitchy mistakenly accused him of threatening Scott Walker.

39 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:02:54pm

Off to my kids school for a recital. Later.

40 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:06:21pm

If future generations don't abandon their childhood friends when those friends come out as gay then it'll become a lot harder to keep maintaining gays as second class citizens. That's what's happened so far and now that society is past the cusp of majority acceptance the social conservatives are panicking.

This kid is a victim of the ideology that's he's been force fed for his entire life, but that doesn't mean he's not also a gigantic douchebag. Plenty of kids, most I'd wager, are able to recognize and rebel against their parent's bigotry. Those who choose to adopt it for whatever reason, whether it's expedience / to appear normal / go along to get along, or true brainwashed belief are either cowards or the worst kind of dull cow eyed idiots.

41 erik_t  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:09:53pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Thirty years ago, conservative firebrand media hacks didn't have to publicly defend teenagers for rejecting other teenagers for their homosexuality.

This is what progress looks like.

42 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:10:53pm

re: #28 jaunte

[Embedded content] The context doesn't change the negative meaning of the Loesch tweet, it reinforces it.

Taking things out of context is a rwnj trait and is equivalent to not understanding the context.

How context affects the meaning of a statement is beyond rwnj.

43 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:12:20pm

I can't imagine betraying a friend over their sexual orientation. Think about a meaningful friendship. All the things you experience, do for each other, prevent for each other. And you toss all that because you are too insecure to deal with their love life.

As if your preference must be theirs or else.

Or else none of that friendship matters anymore. How tragic, how contemptible it is to throw away a friend for their inborn sexual preferences. Real friends are the richness of our lives. Not the money. Not the house. It's the relationships that makes our lives.

44 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:13:31pm

Speaking of future generations, in case you have missed this, there appears to be an insurgent idea among the right-wing intelligentsia having to do with the evils of being child-less:

Are Childless People Freeloading on the World's Parents?

45 researchok  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:14:04pm

It never ceases to amaze how so may people will predicate their opinions of others on matters that have no bearing on the ethics, morality or contributions to friends, family or the world around them.

The same people who are so interested in what goes on in the bedrooms of others are always outraged when others express an interest in what goes on in their bedrooms.

Our world.

46 researchok  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:15:32pm

re: #44 freetoken

Misnamed website. It should be called 'Little Think'.

47 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:16:06pm

re: #43 Daniel Ballard

And think about what kind of person doesn't see the human toll these kinds of actions take, and instead actually encourages kids to express these horrible self-defeating ideas.

That person is Dana Loesch.

48 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:16:31pm

re: #46 researchok

It is a very pretentiously named website; nevertheless, its writers can pick up on stories worth reading.

49 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:18:19pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

And think about what kind of person doesn't see the human toll these kinds of actions take, and instead actually encourages kids to express these horrible self-defeating ideas.

That person is Dana Loesch.

I expected so much more from someone into necrophiliac water sports.

50 erik_t  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:18:49pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

And think about what kind of person doesn't see the human toll these kinds of actions take, and instead actually encourages kids to express these horrible self-defeating ideas.

That person is Dana Loesch.

Children won't have a chance to hate each other for sexual orientation in fifty years if we don't encourage them to hate each other for sexual orientation now.

51 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:19:29pm

Another story on creationism conflict in Turkey:

Turkey: Creationists Want to Airbrush Darwin Out of Evolutionary Picture

[...]

Critics believe that Turkey’s governing Justice and Development Party (AKP), which has Islamist roots, was the real organizational force behind the meeting. Earlier this year, in defense of provisions for classes on the Islamic prophet Mohammed, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan declared that "all children will be brought up as good Muslims."

Defenders of evolution have long complained that, during its decade-long rule, the (AKP) government has increasingly downplayed evolution theories in textbooks at the expense of creationist explanations. Officially, teachers are supposed to teach both concepts, but they are given great latitude in their classrooms.

The national Education and Science Workers’ Union (Egitim Sen ) claims that some of its 125,000 teacher-members now face pressure from religious parents, school administrators and Turkey’s Ministry of Education not to teach evolution. The union is warning that instruction of evolution theories is now under threat.

[...]

52 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:19:55pm

re: #50 erik_t

Children won't have a chance to hate each other for sexual orientation in fifty years if we don't encourage them to hate each other for sexual orientation now.

///I'm sure they said the same thing about skin color!

53 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:19:56pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

I expected so much more from someone into necrophiliac water sports.

At least she isn't advising kids to piss on their dead gay ex-friends, that's something I guess.

54 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:20:25pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

I just sent her a 140 character version of that comment. Now I'm proudly on her shit list too. My loyalties are to family, friends and the facts. Ideology can reside well down the list.

55 erik_t  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:20:42pm

re: #52 jamesfirecat

///I'm sure they said the same thing about skin color!

Good American culture lost that battle, but there's still time for this one!!

56 Mattand  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:20:52pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

At least she isn't advising kids to piss on their dead gay ex-friends, that's something I guess.

Yet.

57 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:22:31pm

re: #50 erik_t

Children won't have a chance to hate each other for sexual orientation in fifty years if we don't encourage them to hate each other for sexual orientation now.

The American Family Association has 180-plus radio stations broadcasting Bryan Fischer, telling his listeners God wants them to hate.

58 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:23:24pm

re: #57 jaunte

The American Family Association has 180-plus radio stations broadcasting Bryan Fischer, telling his listeners God wants them to hate.

Where's Clarence Darrow when you need him?

60 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:24:44pm

Well, that clarifies things.

CNN contributor Dana Loesch has followed up her comments to clarify that, "I don’t listen to his radio show or know his remarks." In other words, she hadn't heard what Caiden Cowger said before defending him and saying he deserved praise for "civic participation."
[Link: www.advocate.com...]

61 Mattand  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:26:10pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

At least she isn't advising kids to piss on their dead gay ex-friends, that's something I guess.

Just occurred to me: what she is advising this kid to do grow up to be the next Fred Phelps.

Start 'em while they're young, I guess.

62 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:26:16pm

So the excuse is "not evil, just ignorant?"

63 erik_t  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:26:50pm

re: #62 jaunte

So the excuse is "not evil, just ignorant?"

'It sounded like the right kind of hate!'

64 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:27:01pm

re: #56 mattand

Yet.

Googling Rule 34 plus Dana Loesch means you forfeit your rental deposit.

65 researchok  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:29:44pm

re: #59 Gus

None of this is surprising in the least.

In a lot of ways, that is the bigger story.

66 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:30:50pm

Widely reported, but in case you missed it, the NC state senate doesn't like scary predictions... so it just outlaws them:

Senate committee likes the slow-rise approach for sea-level forecasts

Rejecting a science panel’s warning that the North Carolina coast should prepare for an increasingly rapid rise in sea level later in this century, a Senate committee on Thursday endorsed far-reaching rules that would force planning and regulatory agencies to base sea-level forecasts only on the slower rates recorded in the past.

“If you’re going to use science when you really can’t validate it, … you’re going to be implementing policy and rules and regulations that can have a very, very negative impact on the coastal economy of this state,” said Sen. David Rouzer, a Benson Republican who championed the legislation.

The bill would give the state Coastal Resources Commission sole responsibility for making any prediction for the rate of sea-level rise to be used as the basis for state or local regulations. The commission is a planning board with 15 members appointed by the governor.

It would place tight restrictions on how the commission could develop its forecast.

Projections for future rates must be based on “statistically significant, peer-reviewed historical data,” the bill says. The forecast could not include any prediction that sea level would rise at a faster rate in future years – unless this accelerated pace is “consistent with historic trends.”

That acceleration is just what has been predicted by several national scientific societies and other scientists, including a panel the Coastal Resources Commission appointed to make a forecast for the North Carolina coast. The panel said in 2010 that a rise of one meter (39 inches) was likely by 2100, partly because the rate of that increase will speed up by the middle of the century.

“It’s already clear from the data that the rates of sea-level rise are accelerating,” professor Rob Jackson, who heads the Duke University Center on Global Change, told committee members. “We know that, and we know why: because of increasing temperatures and thermal expansion of ocean water, and because of ice melting.”

[...]

67 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:31:35pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Googling Rule 34 plus Dana Loesch means you forfeit your rental deposit.

68 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:33:44pm

re: #66 freetoken

Widely reported, but in case you missed it, the NC state senate doesn't like scary predictions... so it just outlaws them:

Senate committee likes the slow-rise approach for sea-level forecasts

The Know-Nothings ride again!

//

69 Gus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:34:06pm

BEHAVE YOURSELVES! BEHAAAAAVVVVE YOURSELVES!

70 allegro  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:35:08pm

re: #44 freetoken

Speaking of future generations, in case you have missed this, there appears to be an insurgent idea among the right-wing intelligentsia having to do with the evils of being child-less:

Are Childless People Freeloading on the World's Parents?

Completely ignoring how us childless people pay to raise and educate their kids.

71 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:37:53pm

re: #66 freetoken

It would place tight restrictions on how the commission could develop its forecast.

Projections for future rates must be based on “statistically significant, peer-reviewed historical data,” the bill says. The forecast could not include any prediction that sea level would rise at a faster rate in future years – unless this accelerated pace is “consistent with historic trends.”

WTF!

Do historic trends include what the bible says, historically speaking? If so, remember THE FLOOD, suckers.

72 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:38:04pm

re: #66 freetoken

Widely reported, but in case you missed it, the NC state senate doesn't like scary predictions... so it just outlaws them:

Senate committee likes the slow-rise approach for sea-level forecasts

Saw that a few days ago. We all know that's how they think, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised that they're passing laws to enforce it.

America, we have a problem.

73 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:38:45pm

re: #70 allegro

Completely ignoring how us childless people pay to raise and educate their kids.

Well, if you think that is unfair, perhaps we should just abolish public education? Think of all the money we can save! Anyway, kids can be taught at home, just like God intended.

Problem solved.

74 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:39:36pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Some of the local boards and communities have been having a fight over this for some time. This move by the NC state senate is intended to make sure the right side wins, so to speak.

75 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:39:50pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Saw that a few days ago. We all know that's how they think, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised that they're passing laws to enforce it.

America, we have a problem.

America, a nation where a shockingly large number of people still believe that God protects us from our own stupidity.

76 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:42:40pm

re: #73 freetoken

Well I did not read that as a complaint, just a salient observation. I'm one half of a childless couple. I invite any Socon to debate me on my status. I will shred that line of thinking like a 500HP wood chipper.

77 allegro  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:42:57pm

re: #73 freetoken

Well, if you think that is unfair, perhaps we should just abolish public education? Think of all the money we can save! Anyway, kids can be taught at home, just like God intended.

Problem solved.

I realize that you're being sarcastic but just for the record I always felt that money (like more than $3,000/yr in the school district in which our home was) to be very well spent.

78 Ming  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:46:03pm

Amazing that Loesch would describe one teen ending a friendship with another teen as "civic participation".

79 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:48:17pm

Going OT
Charles, is there any prospect of allowing spotify music embeds?
I have this favorite song I'd share that's on topic...
Http link
[Link: open.spotify.com...]

Raise A Glass

80 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:51:01pm

re: #66 freetoken

Widely reported, but in case you missed it, the NC state senate doesn't like scary predictions... so it just outlaws them:

Senate committee likes the slow-rise approach for sea-level forecasts

They aren't going to like this one:

We’re about to push the Earth over the brink, new study finds

There’s a new scientific paper out in the journal Nature called “Approaching a state shift in Earth’s biosphere.” In a sane world, it would be front page news. This is from the abstract:

Localized ecological systems are known to shift abruptly and irreversibly from one state to another when they are forced across critical thresholds. Here we review evidence that the global ecosystem as a whole can react in the same way and is approaching a planetary-scale critical transition as a result of human influence.
....
This write-up from Wired adds some context:

"Human activity now dominates 43 percent of Earth’s land surface and affects twice that area. One-third of all available fresh water is diverted to human use. A full 20 percent of Earth’s net terrestrial primary production, the sheer volume of life produced on land every year, is harvested for human purposes."

81 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:52:59pm

re: #77 allegro

The social upheavals we discuss don't follow nice, clean boundary lines like our logical arguments - they intertwine, become entangled, and produce unexpected outcomes.

The SoCon's battles against limiting population and the secularization of education are linked, and growing more so I think.

Then, this overwhelming concern about becoming rich - and that is what that NC sea-level rise fight is about, namely, role of real estate flippers to be unencumbered by the future - get's intertwined with the population discussion, as both are linked to national wealth/GDP.

It all gets wrapped up into a big, sticky, yucky ball of nationalistic, mammon-lovin' religion.

What a mess.

82 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:54:41pm

re: #80 jaunte

That, which is also being widely reported today, will be dismissed with a wave of the hand, proclaiming that those late 60's worry-warts have just come back to haunt us with the spectre of doom, and that it is just a plot for UN based socialists to take American sovereignty, or something like that.

83 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:54:44pm

Eminem & Pink make this night just rock...

Won't Back Down

(Explicit version)

[Link: open.spotify.com...]

84 allegro  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:57:25pm

re: #81 freetoken

The social upheavals we discuss don't follow nice, clean boundary lines like our logical arguments - they intertwine, become entangled, and produce unexpected outcomes.

The SoCon's battles against limiting population and the secularization of education are linked, and growing more so I think.

Then, this overwhelming concern about becoming rich - and that is what that NC sea-level rise fight is about, namely, role of real estate flippers to be unencumbered by the future - get's intertwined with the population discussion, as both are linked to national wealth/GDP.

It all gets wrapped up into a big, sticky, yucky ball of nationalistic, mammon-lovin' religion.

What a mess.

When the focus of the conversation should be the ultimate point: human survival. The rest is moot. We are at that crossroads. We are failing.

85 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 6:58:11pm

Well, I've spread enough doom for one day so I'll go on my walk. Perhaps I'll even stumble upon that most rare of things - a June loquat.

86 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:01:29pm

re: #85 freetoken

Pro-loquat tip:

The seeds definitely need to be removed before cooking because they contain a small amount of Cyanogenetic Glycocices, which releases cyanide when digested, which is bad. Interestingly, when you eat the fruit in large quantities, it produces a calming sedative effect for up to 24 hours, which can be good (depending on your affinities). [Link: wholefish.blogspot.com...]

87 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:05:49pm
88 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:07:01pm

And now, I'm in favor of "bullying kids."

Which is pretty much the opposite of everything I've stood for, my whole life, but who cares when it's time to smear an enemy.

89 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:07:32pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Like a message from Bizzaro World.

90 JeffFX  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:09:32pm

re: #60 jaunte

It was obviously a knee-jerk reaction because the hateful kid self-identifies as a conservative, and that type leaps up to defend members of the cult regardless of how toxic the person is.

91 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:13:11pm

If you're following this saga, it's important to realize that you can't accept anything Dana Loesch says at face value. Don't assume she's telling the truth when she says she didn't know what the teenager said.

She knew.

92 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:15:35pm

I'm sitting here thinking that if a teenager were to blog online and vehemently defend racism and white supremacy, is it wrong to call them wrong because they're underage?

You enter the public square with your opinions, you have voluntarily put those opinions out there.

(Now, little Adolf Hitler Campbell should receive no bullying. He didn't do a thing to deserve his name.)

93 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:15:54pm

re: #90 JeffFX

It's pretty pathetic that her safest position is to claim ignorance.

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:19:22pm

On a totally unrelated note, I see that my husband has been looking at website for Zombie bullets.

Good thing I know that drudge was posting about it, or I'd have to get worried.

95 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:21:20pm

re: #94 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Image: besurehegetstherightcaliber.jpg

96 JeffFX  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:21:22pm

re: #93 jaunte

It's pretty pathetic that her safest position is to claim ignorance.

Absolutely. She seems to have no good qualities at all. Some people are just broken. The real problem is that these broken people are taken seriously.

97 Gus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:23:01pm

Here's what happened to Caiden Cowger's Youtube video.

This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy prohibiting hate speech.
Sorry about that.

98 Gus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:23:30pm

Some other of his nuggets:

The sun may be losing its spots. Scientists in New Mexico theorized this week that the sun's normal sunspot cycle may be greatly reduced in the near future, leading to potential changes in the Earth's climate and affecting its overall temperature.
Yahoo News!

"Sorry Mr.Gore, looks like Global WARMING IS GOING AWAY!!! There Goes your billions! Poor You." said Caiden on his radio program.

99 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:23:38pm
100 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:24:26pm

ICYMI:
Jonathan Chait
Romney Just Making Stuff Up Now

101 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:24:34pm

re: #97 Gus

Bullying!


he can feel free to take his christer cultist act to Clearchannel where they'll probably give him a syndication deal

102 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:25:41pm

re: #97 Gus

Here's what happened to Caiden Cowger's Youtube video.

Sent to the YouTube Gulag at the bequest of Charles and his liberal stormtrooper conspiracy.
////

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:25:41pm

can't wait until he's on Mark Levin's leprechaun blowjob hour

104 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:26:20pm

re: #95 jaunte

Image: besurehegetstherightcaliber.jpg

I think we found a date for tanning Mom.

105 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:26:45pm

re: #104 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I think he'd be cool with that.

106 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:28:43pm

re: #92 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I'm sitting here thinking that if a teenager were to blog online and vehemently defend racism and white supremacy, is it wrong to call them wrong because they're underage?

Exactly. These are the same people who ridicule the schools for trying to increase the self esteem of young students.

107 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:31:21pm

These are the same conservatives who will say that a 14 year old should be tried as an adult in court.

108 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:32:50pm

So being a bigot is part of being a conservative teen? Because that's doing that is.

109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:32:56pm

re: #107 Mich-again

These are the same conservatives who will say that a 14 year old should be tried as an adult in court.

well, to be fair, they generally only say that about black 14 year olds!

110 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:33:35pm

re: #100 jaunte

ICYMI:
Jonathan Chait
Romney Just Making Stuff Up Now

Such a liar. Run on truth! Amazing this highly religious man is the poster boy for lie to get you where you want to go.

111 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:35:08pm

re: #109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

well, to be fair, they generally only say that about black 14 year olds!

You hit the nail on the head there.

112 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:35:39pm

Texas conservatives continue to focus on the economy Planned Parenthood by trying to oust Republican House Speaker Joe Straus:
[Link: www.texastribune.org...]

113 Gus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:36:25pm

re: #106 Mich-again

Exactly. These are the same people who ridicule the schools for trying to increase the self esteem of young students.

There idea would be to say that this undereducated hater if off limits because of his age. Was Prussian Blue off limits with their white supremacist songs? Not only that but Caiden Cowger has a small radio show that will now grow a bigger audience. Ironically that audience growth will be made up of white males over the age of 47 -- give or take a few years. He's engaging in political speech which makes it open to public discourse and criticism. That's not bullying at all. That's a natural and expected response given that he's also going as far as endorsing political candidates. Otherwise what will we have? The right wing is going to use underage pod children to do their beckoning call and we will remain silent because of their age?

114 allegro  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:36:32pm

re: #110 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Such a liar. Run on truth! Amazing this highly religious man is the poster boy for lie to get you where you want to go.

But a sin to lie to protect a Jewish family in the attic from the Nazis.

115 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:37:34pm

re: #100 jaunte

ICYMI:
Jonathan Chait
Romney Just Making Stuff Up Now

That Mitt Romney guy, ya gotta give him credit. He's a real Trooper.

116 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:38:10pm

It must suck to be in 9th grade and have no friends besides Dana Loesch

117 Gus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:38:43pm
118 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:38:48pm

So let me get this straight. The kid bashes gay people and accuses the president and vice president turning kids gay which is clearly bigoted shit and people call him out on it. And they're the bullies? Such a weird reality it must be an American conservative where everyone is out to get you.

119 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:40:02pm

We all need to stop bullying Fred Phelps. It' so unfair. Think of his feelings

120 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:40:40pm

re: #117 Gus

This seems to be a right wing phenomenon.

Wait you mean, he the 14 year old we're talking about, isn't that young kid who was at CPAC last year and Jon Stewart already did a sketch wondering if it was okay to mock him or not?

There's more than one of these little conservative "geniuses"?

Well there goes my will to live.

121 Lidane  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:40:55pm

Wait, so being a bigot is a requirement for being a conservative now? That seems to be Loesch's implication, since she chalks up everything this kid says to him being a "conservative teen".

That's depressing. I would hope that people who call themselves conservative would reject that sort of nonsense.

122 Gus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:41:25pm

re: #120 jamesfirecat

Wait you mean, he the 14 year old we're talking about, isn't that young kid who was at CPAC last year and Jon Stewart already did a sketch wondering if it was okay to mock him or not?

There's more than one of these little conservative "geniuses"?

Well there goes my will to live.

No. I was just showing another example of a teenaged right-wing bot.

123 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:41:44pm

re: #113 Gus

He's engaging in political speech which makes it open to public discourse and criticism. That's not bullying at all.

I agree, once the kid goes on the air with politically charged speech, he becomes a public figure and is fair game for criticism from the general public. Its not like he made these comments in his 8th grade class speech contest.

124 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:41:49pm

re: #120 jamesfirecat

Wait you mean, he the 14 year old we're talking about, isn't that young kid who was at CPAC last year and Jon Stewart already did a sketch wondering if it was okay to mock him or not?

There's more than one of these little conservative "geniuses"?

Well there goes my will to live.

I remember a kid in the Bush years too James. It's weird stuff. I was a politically interested kid I have to say but I was just that.

125 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:43:00pm

Accusing the president and veep of wanting to turn kids gay is a pretty insane thing to say. It's right up there with the crazy conspiracies we see about Jews, Muslims, Freemasons, etc.

126 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:43:28pm

Look at you Dana Loesch, defending a 14 year old bigot. Don't you and your husband have a gay exorcism to go to?

127 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:44:11pm

re: #117 Gus

This seems to be a right wing phenomenon.

I was taken to see Goldwater speak when I was 8. It was all pretty persuasive and logical, to a privileged 8 year old.

128 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:45:11pm

re: #113 Gus

The right wing is going to use underage pod children to do their beckoning call and we will remain silent because of their age?

It's an authoritarian tradition to use children as enforcers and mouthpieces...then use the idea of kids as "innocent" and vulnerable to hand-wave genuine and thought-out criticism of the results.

Read about Savonarola and the Frateschi some time.

129 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:47:31pm

Didn't most people left and right rightfully condemn Prussian Blue when they were the same age and I think even younger than this kid? Basically Loesch is saying this kid's bigotry should be tolerant because it's anti gay bigotry. Would Loesch be okay if the kid was saying the president and vice president were "tools of the Zionists?"

130 allegro  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:49:33pm

I won't pile on the kid. He's clearly the spawn of abusive parents. It's a sad thing.

131 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:50:11pm
132 Gus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:50:27pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Didn't most people left and right rightfully condemn Prussian Blue when they were the same age and I think even younger than this kid? Basically Loesch is saying this kid's bigotry should be tolerant because it's anti gay bigotry. Would Loesch be okay if the kid was saying the president and vice president were "tools of the Zionists?"

See #113. ;)

133 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:50:29pm

re: #128 The Ghost of a Flea

It's an authoritarian tradition to use children as enforcers and mouthpieces...then use the idea of kids as "innocent" and vulnerable to hand-wave genuine and thought-out criticism of the results.

Read about Savonarola and the Frateschi some time.

Remember the TV show Soap when Chuck the ventriloquist used the dummie Bob to insult everyone and they would respond by getting mad at the doll.

134 Lidane  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:50:40pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Basically Loesch is saying this kid's bigotry should be tolerant because it's anti gay bigotry.

She's also saying that anti-gay bigotry is part of being a conservative. By excusing his speech as just something a "conservative teen" would believe, she's making the point that conservatives are expected to be bigots. If I was a conservative, I'd be insulted by that.

Would Loesch be okay if the kid was saying the president and vice president were "tools of the Zionists?"

For this President and Vice President? Of course she would.

135 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:51:00pm

re: #132 Gus

See #113. ;)

Ah yes Christine O'Donnell who never lied not once.

136 Lidane  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:51:50pm

re: #131 jaunte

Dear creationist morons,

The Flintstones wasn't a historical documentary. It was a cartoon.

No love,
Me

137 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:52:13pm

re: #134 Lidane

She's also saying that anti-gay bigotry is part of being a conservative. By excusing his speech as just something a "conservative teen" would believe, she's making the point that conservatives are expected to be bigots. If I was a conservative, I'd be insulted by that.

For this President and Vice President? Of course she would.

See my 108 heh. Yeah knowing her she'd probably be fine with it though.

138 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:52:15pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Would Loesch be okay if the kid was saying the president and vice president were "tools of the Zionists?"

If she did Debbie Schlussel would smack her around some more..

139 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:52:53pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Would Loesch be okay if the kid was saying the president and vice president were "tools of the Zionists?"

Maybe, she tweeted that she "appreciates" Brooks Bayne's fight and that guy is obsessed with the supposedly Jewish roots of socialism. As long as a conservative anti-semite can claim with a straight face that they have a Jewish grandmother or enjoy eating bagels and lox their peers will let them get away with all kinds of shit.

140 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:53:42pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

Maybe, she tweeted that she "appreciates" Brooks Bayne's fight and that guy is obsessed with the supposedly Jewish roots of socialism. As long as a conservative anti-semite can claim with a straight face that they have a Jewish grandmother or enjoy eating bagels and lox their peers will let them get away with all kinds of shit.

Yeah I saw that guy. Creepy fucker eh.

141 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:55:29pm

Gay / Not gay

I hope I live to see the day when we realize there are better things to discuss.

142 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:57:44pm

re: #141 Ojoe

Gay / Not gay

I hope I live to see the day when we realize there are better things to discuss.

Such as the fact Metallica turned to suck after their 4th album.

143 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:58:00pm

re: #141 Ojoe

Gay / Not gay

I hope I live to see the day when we realize there are better things to discuss.

I hope to see the day where we don't give a shit. My friendships with my gay friends mean the same as mine with my straight ones.

144 dragonath  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:59:13pm

re: #142 Kragar

I AM THE TABLE

145 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:59:24pm

All people are people.

146 efuseakay  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 7:59:59pm

$10 says Cowger is gay too.

Not that there's anything wrong with it...

147 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:00:03pm

I don't understand how sexual orientation became a political tool. It's insane. This kid is promoting bigotry and not-so-thinly-veiled bullying behind it. It's not acceptable.

And before anyone blames Obama, this whole thing started out with him when he got rid of DADT which is what Bush should have done and didn't. It was anti-gay policy. The same thing for DOMA. Neither of these policies belonged in our political arena in the first place, thanks to the moral majority. Obama is a brave man to tackle the topics no one wanted to go near.

At any rate, this kid is absolutely repeating what his parents have taught him and maybe when he matures, he'll realize how horribly wrong he is today. At least, that's what I'm hoping.

148 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:00:33pm

re: #144 Be Zorch, Daddio

I AM THE TABLE

DON'T CRY TOMATO BABY!

149 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:00:55pm

re: #145 Ojoe

Except for the dead ones.

Those are zombies.

And the undead ones.

Those are vampires.

They're all fair game.

150 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:01:12pm

re: #117 Gus

This seems to be a right wing phenomenon.

makes perfect sense

American conservatism is an infantile philosophy, where responsibility is rejected in favor of naked greed and hatred, kids can grasp it because it is in fact, child-like

151 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:02:47pm

re: #147 What, me worry?

I don't understand how sexual orientation became a political tool. It's insane. This kid is promoting bigotry and not-so-thinly-veiled bullying behind it. It's not acceptable.

And before anyone blames Obama, this whole thing started out with him when he got rid of DADT which is what Bush should have done and didn't. It was anti-gay policy. The same thing for DOMA. Neither of these policies belonged in our political arena in the first place, thanks to the moral majority. Obama is a brave man to tackle the topics no one wanted to go near.

At any rate, this kid is absolutely repeating what his parents have taught him and maybe when he matures, he'll realize how horribly wrong he is today. At least, that's what I'm hoping.

Bush did the total opposite with the FMA. Most pathetic thing about that was his campaign manager Mehlman was at the time a closeted gay man and yet still had no qualms about supporting that as a means of getting his boss re-elected.

152 Lidane  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:02:49pm

re: #142 Kragar

Such as the fact Metallica turned to suck after their 4th album.

And now they're mad that they have to tour to make money.

153 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:02:54pm

re: #150 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

John Galt, Job Creator, Developer of GaltGulch Properties.

154 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:03:12pm

re: #147 What, me worry?

I don't understand how sexual orientation became a political tool. It's insane. This kid is promoting bigotry and not-so-thinly-veiled bullying behind it. It's not acceptable.

Sexual orientation has been a political tool for a looong time

155 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:03:31pm

re: #141 Ojoe

Gay / Not gay

I hope I live to see the day when we realize there are better things to discuss.

The day after comes the human/strong AI intermarriage issue.

156 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:04:29pm

re: #153 jaunte

John Galt, Job Creator, Developer of GaltGulch Properties.

I don't see a douchebag like John Galt ever stooping to clean his own toilet.

157 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:04:58pm

re: #154 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Sexual orientation has been a political tool for a looong time

Too, too long. Who put it there? They aren't called the moral majority anymore. Social conservatives or plain ole GOP at this point.

158 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:05:51pm

re: #156 Kragar

I don't see a douchebag like John Galt ever stooping to clean his own toilet.

Galt is a Rand creation; his toilet is cleaned by the women he attracts with his overwhelming charisma and skill at semi-consensual sex.

159 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:06:20pm

re: #152 Lidane

And now they're mad that they have to tour to make money.

GUHHH

They're such entitled shits! Jeeeezus

Get to work, Metallica, make something that doesn't blow chimps with its overcompressed mastering, Newsted was right to get out

160 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:06:40pm

re: #158 The Ghost of a Flea

Galt is a Rand creation; his toilet is cleaned by the women he attracts with his overwhelming charisma and skill at semi-consensual sex.

lol Ahhh so Ayn is cleaning the john?

161 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:07:20pm

re: #156 Kragar

He invented self-cleaning toilets made from the near-frictionless Rear Done metal.

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:08:03pm

re: #157 What, me worry?

Too, too long. Who put it there? They aren't called the moral majority anymore. Social conservatives or plain ole GOP at this point.

It's just the GOP to me

The Republican party is synonomous with inhuman hatred and cultist rhetoric

163 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:08:38pm

re: #158 The Ghost of a Flea

Galt is a Rand creation; his toilet is cleaned by the women he attracts with his overwhelming charisma and skill at semi-consensual sex.

Don't be silly. Dagney Taggart wouldn't recognize a toilet brush if it were whapped across her face. Wet.

There are people who clean toilets.

Voluntarily.

Because it was what they were born to do, and they did it happily, and were fulfilled.

(How much do you want to bet that Ayn Rand never cleaned her bathroom by herself?)

And they never snapped and stood in the middle of the ideal village and screamed, "I am done cleaning up your self-righteous poo and you can darn well pick up your dirty clothes, too!"

164 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:08:46pm

re: #160 What, me worry?

Hi, MM!

165 Lidane  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:08:59pm

re: #153 jaunte

John Galt, Job Creator, Developer of GaltGulch Properties.

Image: atlas shrugged.jpg

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:09:11pm

re: #152 Lidane

And now they're mad that they have to tour to make money.

this never gets old

167 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:09:20pm

re: #164 prairiefire

Hi, MM!

Hello, dear! How are you?

168 Gus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:12:53pm

re: #152 Lidane

And now they're mad that they have to tour to make money.

Poor babies.

169 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:16:03pm

I was looking at Tammy Bruce's timeline for any acknowledgement of the topic.

*crickets*

170 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:16:11pm

re: #167 What, me worry?

Hello, dear! How are you?

I am good, thanks. Currently have my headphones on so I don't hear Fox News blaring at my in laws house. How is FL?

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:19:26pm

re: #142 Kragar

Such as the fact Metallica turned to suck after their 4th album.

you know what band gets better with age

it's funny, some people consider PL the english Metallica, nothing could be further from the truth these days :D

172 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:19:42pm

re: #170 prairiefire

I am good, thanks. Currently have my headphones on so I don't hear Fox News blaring at my in laws house. How is FL?

lol You're a trooper.

Hot and humid here, but no complaints. My mango tree is exploding with unbelievably delicious fruit. Me happy.

173 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:20:27pm

re: #171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

The Chieftains always get better.

174 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:22:16pm

re: #171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

you know what band gets better with age

it's funny, some people consider PL the english Metallica, nothing could be further from the truth these days :D

Metallica only ever had one song.

I hated them when they first came out. So completely unoriginal next to heavy metal giants of the 70s.

175 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:22:31pm

re: #171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Foo Fighters keeps on getting better. Wasting Light is incredible from beginning to end.

176 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:22:53pm

re: #152 Lidane

And now they're mad that they have to tour to make money.

Somebody call the WHAAAAbulance! A group of overpaid hacks are mad because they have please the public to get the public to give them money!

177 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:23:43pm

re: #84 allegro

When the focus of the conversation should be the ultimate point: human survival. The rest is moot. We are at that crossroads. We are failing.

Things are going to change for sure. Even the Mayans set this period as a time of change. This could be our lives interesting times, curse or transition.

178 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:24:01pm

re: #175 Mich-again

Foo Fighters keeps on getting better. Wasting Light is incredible from beginning to end.

Concur. But they've got a better attitude, too, and it shows. Which is likely also why their music is better.

179 Gus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:24:13pm

When I think about Metallica all I can think of is "James Hetfield seems like a nice guy." Get it?

//

180 jaunte  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:24:43pm

A day late, but these are some interesting photos:

...in rare color photos taken before and after the invasion, LIFE magazine’s Frank Scherschel captured countless other, lesser-known scenes from the run-up to the onslaught and the heady weeks after: American troops training in small English towns; the French countryside, implausibly lush after the spectral landscape of the beachheads; the reception GIs enjoyed en route to the capital; the jubilant liberation of Paris itself.
[Link: life.time.com...]

181 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:26:23pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Somebody call the WHAAAbulance! A group of overpaid hacks are mad because they have please the public to get the public to give them money!

They lost me when they went on the anti-Napster rampage. I never downloaded a single song off Napster, but I remember seeing the band bitch about Napster on TV and thinking, you know, maybe your band isn't selling albums anymore because you guys quit making decent music years ago..

182 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:28:40pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

And now, I'm in favor of "bullying kids."

Which is pretty much the opposite of everything I've stood for, my whole life, but who cares when it's time to smear an enemy.

She is just using this kid as a human shield for her ideology. Can't attack the ideology or you are attacking the kid.

183 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:32:12pm

re: #181 Mich-again

They lost me when they went on the anti-Napster rampage. I never downloaded a single song off Napster, but I remember seeing the band bitch about Napster on TV and thinking, you know, maybe your band isn't selling albums anymore because you guys quit making decent music years ago..

They wanted to individually sue everyone who ever d/l a song, not just Napster. Their lawyers told them it would be a litigation nightmare to try to put together such a lawsuit, find all those people. They persisted, but finally decided against it, only because their lawyers wouldn't do it. So I recall reading.

184 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:35:25pm

Bush regime detainees enjoying cable TV, new soccer field, library. Obama regime detainess unavailable for comment.

Soccer, cable TV at Gitmo?

185 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:43:55pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

Bush regime detainees enjoying cable TV, new soccer field, library. Obama regime detainess unavailable for comment.

Soccer, cable TV at Gitmo?

Just like no-good Muslims to play soccer and call it football!!1 American football is the only true football, and anyone born in American who thinks otherwise is either gay or a metrosexual!!!11

186 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:44:08pm

re: #172 What, me worry?

Mmmmm, mangos.

187 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:44:43pm

Maybe things don't change so much after all. Ah kids today... they don't realize the impact Elvis had. Not just on music, but on society as a whole.

From Jaunte's LIFE site.

[Link: life.time.com...]

189 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:47:03pm

re: #186 prairiefire

Mmmm, mangos.

The fruit of fate!

190 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:47:33pm

re: #188 Kragar

inclusive of bonuses for execs?

191 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:48:56pm

re: #188 Kragar

Study Finds That Major American Financial Firms Would Need $500 Billion To Weather Another Economic Crisis

I'm not sure the money exists to do that. We'd do better to focus on making sure banks don't need bailouts. If we can't do that, then we need to think about breaking up banks that are "too big to fail". Unending bail-outs is a road to disaster, as witness Greece.

192 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:49:30pm

Ya'll have a good rest-of-week. I'm off to bed :)

193 Interesting Times  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:51:13pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

If we can't do that, then we need to think about breaking up banks that are "too big to fail".

Know who else wants to break up the Big Banks?

OMG you're a socialist!!11!! :P

194 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:53:31pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

I'm not sure the money exists to do that. We'd do better to focus on making sure banks don't need bailouts.

As long as businesses and consumers and government are fighting over limited resources and driving up prices, the outlook for economic growth will stay grim. I think we need to all refocus on how to conserve the limited resources by wasting less of them. Which will work to make their prices fall which will bring the economic growth we need to prosper. Its really the only way and its the easiest way. Eventually, the masses will figure this out, hopefully before its too late.

195 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:54:19pm

re: #190 SpaceJesus

inclusive of bonuses for execs?

Roman traditions like seizure of goods and property followed by banishment sound like sound fiscal policies sometimes.
/

196 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:56:28pm

re: #193 Interesting Times

Know who else wants to break up the Big Banks?

OMG you're a socialist!!11!! :P

Then that means both National Review and City Journal a shot through with socialism, too! [runs around screaming]

Back in reality, of course, what I'm saying is a simple acknowledgement of the fact that the banks have to be put on an even footing. If that can be done without breaking the biggest banks up, then that's good news and we should proceed along those lines. But if its repeated bailouts or break-ups, then I vote break-ups.

197 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:05:01pm

Looking back, despite the fact I skipped lunch, I probably should have skipped the 4th homemade burrito

198 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:06:49pm

re: #197 Kragar

Looking back, despite the fact I skipped lunch, I probably should have skipped the 4th homemade burrito

Why? did you run out of refried beans on the 3rd one?

199 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:07:50pm

If the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy haven't created jobs or boosted the economy why does the GOP keep taking the budget hostage in order to extend them? Probably because they know that ending them would boost revenue and help reduce the deficit gap.

Deep down I think they realize that the tax cuts were and are bad for America, but as long as they can remain a millstone around Obama's neck they're going to do whatever they can to keep them in place.

200 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:09:05pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

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re: #88 Charles Johnson

And now, I'm in favor of "bullying kids."

Which is pretty much the opposite of everything I've stood for, my whole life, but who cares when it's time to smear an enemy.

Does this mean that she likes you less than / equal to / more than Dan Rhiel, who is Twitter-proud of his {probably imaginary} bullying exploits? It's hard to keep these people sorted.

201 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:10:13pm

re: #198 Mich-again

Why? did you run out of refried beans on the 3rd one?

I got a rumbly tummy

202 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:14:25pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

If the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy haven't created jobs or boosted the economy why does the GOP keep taking the budget hostage in order to extend them? Probably because they know that ending them would boost revenue and help reduce the deficit gap.

Deep down I think they realize that the tax cuts were and are bad for America, but as long as they can remain a millstone around Obama's neck they're going to do whatever they can to keep them in place.

I got $20 says that, between now and the Election, Republicans will try to argue that the tax cuts expiring next year are to blame for the economic slowdown, that the "uncertainty" is what's keeping companies from spending all those record profits.

203 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:16:20pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

Part of the 2010 stimulus legislation was to offer corporations a thing called "bonus depreciation", which meant they could depreciate 100% of a capital investment made in 2011 on their 2011 taxes in order to reduce corporate taxes and to create corporate profits which according to the Book of Job in the GOP Bible should have created tons of new jobs.

And it worked, seeing that American corporations posted all time record profits in 2011 and paid far less taxes than they would have without the bonus depreciation. But all you have to do to find out about how many new jobs this created is ask the same GOP legislators who fought so hard for the bonus depreciation in the first place. Somewhat disappointing. Apparently businesses don't go out and expand operations when they are offered gimmicky tax breaks. They claim the profits to shore up stock prices and bank them for the imminent rainy day.

But it doesn't surprise me one bit that they now want to double down on the lower taxes idea. In politics when the medicine doesn't work, its always because the dosage was too small.

204 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:21:00pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

If the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy haven't created jobs or boosted the economy why does the GOP keep taking the budget hostage in order to extend them? Probably because they know that ending them would boost revenue and help reduce the deficit gap.

Deep down I think they realize that the tax cuts were and are bad for America, but as long as they can remain a millstone around Obama's neck they're going to do whatever they can to keep them in place.

One asshole with more money than he can ever spend does jack shit to help the economy. Giving companies a tax break to create jobs when there is no demand for their product does jack shit to drive the economy.

A regular guy with savings and extra money to spend on the weekend? That drives the economy.

205 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:32:36pm

Why I love living in CA

Los Angeles High School Partners With Planned Parenthood To Offer Access To Contraception

To help students prevent pregnancy, Roosevelt High School partnered with Planned Parenthood to offer contraception and counseling at an on-campus health clinic separate from the school nurse’s office. The program began in 1997 as a collaboration with a local hospital, but it ended in 2006 — and after the clinic’s nurse saw 32 positive pregnancy tests between March 1 and June 1 of 2008, she reached out to Planned Parenthood.

Now, the women’s health organization provides a nurse assistant, free contraception, and pregnancy and STD testing to students. A California program that provides family planning to low-income and uninsured residents pays for the services, and students do not have to have their parents’ permission to visit the health clinic. But officials say they do not face strong opposition from parents:

Nurse practitioner Sherry Medrano, who runs the Roosevelt health clinic, said teenagers rarely go outside their comfort zone for family planning. By law, students can go to Medrano and her staff without the permission of their parents. “They feel much safer and much more comfortable coming to a school-based health clinic,” she said. [...]

Planned Parenthood’s Los Angeles executive director, Sue Dunlap, said Latino families generally want access to information and care. “We really don’t experience the traditional narrative of angry parents not wanting access to reproductive care in the schools,” she said. “It’s really the opposite.”

206 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:40:45pm

re: #205 Kragar

Why I love living in CA

Los Angeles High School Partners With Planned Parenthood To Offer Access To Contraception

Well I'll be damned. There ARE sane people in this country!

207 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:43:45pm

re: #205 Kragar

In Isaac Asimov novels about robots there is a condition called brainlock that happens when the rules that govern robotic logic lead the robot to two different conclusions. That story you posted could cause brainlock in conservatives.

208 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:46:47pm

To all those folks who bought the Facebook IPO: SUCKERS

Reuters poll shows 1 in 3 Facebook users bored with social media

Four out of five Facebook Inc users have never bought a product or service as a result of advertising or comments on the social network site, a Reuters/Ipsos poll shows, the latest sign that much more needs to be done to turn its 900 million customer base into advertising dollars.

The online poll also found that 34 percent of Facebook users surveyed were spending less time on the website than six months ago, whereas only 20 percent were spending more.

The findings underscore investors' worries about Facebook's money-making abilities that have pushed the stock down 29 percent since its initial public offering last month, reducing its market value by $30 billion to roughly $74 billion.

209 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:50:38pm

re: #208 Kragar

It was a bad investment from the start and I don't feel sorry for anyone who bought it. Without any genuine assets, its initial value was set at 100 years worth of profits.. Really?

210 Lidane  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:50:52pm

re: #208 Kragar

To all those folks who bought the Facebook IPO: SUCKERS

Reuters poll shows 1 in 3 Facebook users bored with social media

Not surprising. When the social media landscape looks like this, it's hard for people not to be overwhelmed by and/or bored with it all.

I'm convinced it's all one giant bubble that's going to pop soon, and the ones that are left will be the social networks, mobile apps, and sites that people simply can't live without.

211 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:51:44pm

re: #208 Kragar

The path of the future is Country & Western French:

212 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:53:49pm

Good night, all.

213 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 9:55:36pm

Oh yeah

Quentin Tarantino presents Django Unchained

214 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:17:12pm

re: #213 Kragar

Oh yeah

Quentin Tarantino presents Django Unchained

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I think it looks fantastic. Love the shot of the blood splattering on the cotton. Talk about iconic.

215 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:20:38pm

re: #214 prairiefire

I think it looks fantastic. Love the shot of the blood splatter ring on the cotton. Talk about iconic.

Nice to see Christoph Waltz again. He was the only reason I sat all the way thru Inglorious bastards.

216 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:28:20pm

Workers Lost Ground During Recession As Bosses Gained

The U.S. economy’s anemic rebound from the worst recession in six decades is pummeling workers while leaving bosses almost unscathed and neither President Barack Obama nor Republican challenger Mitt Romney is captivating these disaffected voters five months before the national election.

Between 2007 and 2010, working-class people -- those in nonprofessional occupations who lack college degrees -- saw their median earnings fall 4.6 percent, according to a study of U.S. census data prepared for Bloomberg News by Sentier Research of Annapolis, Maryland. Over the same period, earnings for college-educated professionals or managers rose 1.9 percent.

Working-class males were especially hard hit, with median annual earnings falling 6.6 percent, more than three times the 1.9 percent loss suffered by all employees, according to the study, an effort to quantify the recession’s impact on labor.

217 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:31:02pm

re: #216 Kragar

I'm afraid that the idea of an ever increasingly prosperous "middle class" is an idea whose time has passed.

218 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:32:42pm

Don't you know that a man makes money to buy from other man? This is a man's world:

219 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:42:06pm

re: #216 Kragar

Workers Lost Ground During Recession As Bosses Gained

People wonder how this is happening, here's an example:

Verizon To Lay Off 1,700 Workers After Paying CEO $22 Million Last Year

No doubt this is due to the abuse of power by unions, right? Think again:

At the same time, Verizon has demanded sizable concessions from workers in its negotiations with unions, asking for the elimination of the company’s pension plan, increases in health care premiums, and extra leeway to outsource jobs, according to a release from the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

220 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:49:12pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

Yet we must remember this - progressively taxing that CEO is evil - evil I say! That CEO shouldn't have to be taxed at a higher rate than those workers, it's so clear:


Illinois shouldn't adopt progressive tax

221 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:50:40pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

People wonder how this is happening, here's an example:

Verizon To Lay Off 1,700 Workers After Paying CEO $22 Million Last Year

No doubt this is due to the abuse of power by unions, right? Think again:

Ya think?

Last year: Meg Whitman's $1 salary at Hewlett-Packard isn't the whole story

As part of her compensation package, Whitman was also awarded options to buy nearly 2 million shares of HP stock at $23.59, close to Friday's opening price, which eventually could bring her a windfall of tens of millions of dollars if HP's stock price rises. But as with many executive-level packages, the options won't vest immediately: Whitman won't be able to cash in at least 900,000 of them until a year from now.

last month: HP to cut 27,000 jobs

The Palo Alto company announced the job eliminations the same day that it reported second-quarter earnings that beat analysts' expectations.

For the three months that ended April 30, HP reported profit of $1.59 billion, or 80 cents a share. That was down 31% from $2.3 billion, or $1.05, in the same quarter a year earlier.

Excluding certain items, earnings per share were 98 cents, better than the 91 cents that analysts surveyed by Bloomberg had expected.

Revenue totaled $30.7 billion, a 3% year-over-year decline, slightly better than Wall Street estimates.

222 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:57:26pm

re: #220 freetoken

Yet we must remember this - progressively taxing that CEO is evil - evil I say! That CEO shouldn't have to be taxed at a higher rate than those workers, it's so clear:

Illinois shouldn't adopt progressive tax

I've reached the point where I want anybody who utters the words "punishing success" locked in a pillory for a minimum of an hour for every utterance and rotten tomatoes provided free of charge to all on-lookers.

223 dragonath  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 10:57:34pm

re: #217 freetoken

I really wish the Democrats would come off the "middle class" mantra. It's one of their favorite ad themes.

Democrats: "Middle class tax cuts"
Republicans: "RAWR KILL UNIONS"

224 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:08:33pm

re: #222 Targetpractice

I've reached the point where I want anybody who utters the words "punishing success" locked in a pillory for a minimum of an hour for every utterance and rotten tomatoes provided free of charge to all on-lookers.

Remember back when success was different from ""FUCK YOU! I GOT MINE!"?

225 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:12:50pm

re: #181 Mich-again

They lost me when they went on the anti-Napster rampage. I never downloaded a single song off Napster, but I remember seeing the band bitch about Napster on TV and thinking, you know, maybe your band isn't selling albums anymore because you guys quit making decent music years ago..

I lost them when they went after a company that was marketing "Metallica" tire rims, stating that they sold Metallica spare-wheel covers, which already positioned them in that market.

226 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:12:51pm

re: #223 Be Zorch, Daddio

I think the Democratic Party has to ask itself why it exists. If it can't define why it, and not some other political entity, is the self defined group to address the majority of Americans' needs then it ought to just go away.

The national level Dems are way too far into themselves to connect anymore to the average person, and the local Dems seem to be in la-la land (at least around here.)

FDR clearly saw that what was good for America was what was good for the majority of the people, not just for the few. How many Democrats today can explain that concept in concrete terms without sounding like whiny teenagers?

On a related note, why does President Obama continue to dumb-down his speeches? FDR and JFK didn't do that, arguable the two high points as far as Presidents who were from the Democratic party.

Somebody needs to speak directly to the overt orgy of self-indulgent narcissism that is today's glibertarian, Rich-People-Speak-For-God, GOP. If Obama can't do that then we need to get someone who can.

227 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:14:08pm

re: #204 Kragar

One asshole with more money than he can ever spend does jack shit to help the economy. Giving companies a tax break to create jobs when there is no demand for their product does jack shit to drive the economy.

A regular guy with savings and extra money to spend on the weekend? That drives the economy.

What doth the nation gain if a man maketh millions but employeth not a soul?

228 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:14:38pm

re: #227 Expand Your Ground

What doth the nation gain if a man maketh millions but employeth not a soul?

Donald Trump?
/

229 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:17:09pm

re: #224 Kragar

Remember back when success was different from ""FUCK YOU! I GOT MINE!"?

You mean back when unions roamed the Earth in great droves, companies were actually expected to take care of their employees, and the rich actually paid something into the system?

230 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:19:07pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

You mean back when unions roamed the Earth in great droves, companies were actually expected to take care of their employees, and the rich actually paid something into the system?

Sounds like Communism to me.
/

231 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:28:24pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

Those days never really existed.

232 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:31:28pm

re: #231 freetoken

Those days never really existed.

I know, which is what makes it so depressing.

233 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:31:56pm

re: #213 Kragar

Oh yeah

Quentin Tarantino presents Django Unchained

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Damn, that looks badass...Jamie Foxx, Don Johnson, and Leonardo? Looks tight as hell...

234 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:36:35pm

re: #213 Kragar

Oh yeah

Quentin Tarantino presents Django Unchained

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Thank you. I have now seen as much of this film as I could ever wish to see...

235 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:36:58pm

Bullfrog in the koi pond.

236 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:38:04pm

bullfrog in the koi
pond croaking until morning
time to get the jig

237 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:39:29pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

There was a bit of utopia-think back when, let's say the 1950's, when the wealth of the average American family looked like it could increase forever - new cars, new houses in new suburbs, new fashions, new fancy toys (TV's, electrical kitchen gadgets, etc.)

But that was an illusion, that we now know arose due to the radical increase in per capita energy/resource use.

Those days are over, and the average American now is limited in resources, and we even have less per capita expected in the future.

This basic concept - arising out of ecology - is a abomination to American politics, which is based on MORE AND MORE FOREVER EVERMORE.

That is why President Obama was so burned in pop media when he dared to mention that Las Vegas couldn't expand forever - he quickly dropped that theme. It's also why his Energy Secretary, though knowing the truth, keeps spouting cheap energy delusions. And so on.

We lack leadership. All we have are panderers.

238 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:43:20pm

re: #237 freetoken

There was also a time when a unionized steel worker like my dad could buy a modest house and afford to put his kids through college on his salary.

That also fostered economic growth and upward mobility.

Now both parents often have to work full-time (or more) just to keep up with the rent/mortgage payments and their kids have to go into massive debt to afford a college education.

239 Kragar  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:46:43pm

re: #236 Expand Your Ground

bullfrog in the koi
pond croaking until morning
time to get the jig

This pond for frogs only.
Violators will be toad.

240 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:52:32pm

re: #236 Expand Your Ground

bullfrog in the koi
pond croaking until morning
time to get the jig

He's better than the Macaw next door. An extremely low bass note!

241 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:53:17pm

re: #240 prairiefire

He's better than the Macaw next door. An extremely low bass note!

I bet he gets a lot of ladies.

242 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:54:37pm

re: #238 Expand Your Ground

Yes, but B follows from A.

IOW, the reason now costs are higher is rooted in that the ideas of everyone owning a house and spending an extended young adulthood in academic exercises (vice say working in the field or digging a ditch) demand the availability of more resources per person being available for these activities.

As the area/person of a dwelling increases the cost of said dwelling (and filling it with goodies, and maintaining it) go up.

Our society has formed itself around the collection of goodies (status symbols) and acquiring "wealth".

This goes right to the heart of what we are - primates, with tribes and social status. We can't escape what we are.

243 freetoken  Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:57:01pm

And on that depressing note, it should be noted that even in darkness a human soul can create something beautiful, as exampled here by a piece from a famous 19th century genius who struggled with his own depression:

244 prairiefire  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 12:01:47am

re: #243 freetoken

And on that depressing note, it should be noted that even in darkness a human soul can create something beautiful, as exampled here by a piece from a famous 19th century genius who struggled with his own depression:

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I think we're going to be ok, FT.

245 AK-47%  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 12:01:59am

re: #242 freetoken

True, the three-bedroom, wood-frame house my dad bought for $16,000 in 1960 would be considered a hovel these days...

And yes, we had access to all the cheap petroleum we wanted. I remember ads as a kids featuring Reddy Kilowatt encouraging us to use more electricity!

246 Kragar  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 12:27:48am

Netherlands 'subjected to racist chants while training'

Netherlands captain Mark van Bommel says the team's black players were subjected to monkey chants at an open training session in Poland.

He described the alleged abuse in Krakow as a "real disgrace".

Uefa said an incident had occurred but it was a protest about the city not being given any Euro 2012 matches, The Times reported.

However, Van Bommel said: "Open your ears. If you did hear it, and don't want to hear it, that is even worse."

The claims come on the opening day of the tournament, which is being co-hosted by Poland and Ukraine.

247 AK-47%  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 12:44:15am

re: #246 Kragar

Netherlands 'subjected to racist chants while training'

Sounds like the "coons/goons" dispute regarding Zmmerman...

248 researchok  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 1:18:19am

Morning, all

249 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 1:24:53am

re: #248 researchok

Morning, all

big deal!!
/

250 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 1:25:11am

re: #247 Expand Your Ground

Sounds like the "coons/goons" dispute regarding Zmmerman...

Not quite. In that case there was a recording, which allowed for examination and re-examination of the word (with the result being reached that Zimmerman either said "punks" or was completely unintelligible - no expert vouched for "coons"). In this case we only have momentary impressions to go on.

251 researchok  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 1:34:30am

re: #249 sattv4u2

I kick back, have my coffee with FT's music selection...

Part of my routine now.

252 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 1:38:33am

re: #251 researchok

I kick back, have my coffee with FT's music selection...

Part of my routine now.

Least you could do is bring bagels!

253 researchok  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 1:44:03am

re: #252 sattv4u2

Just coffee...

And a cheese danish

254 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:02:52am

re: #243 freetoken

And on that depressing note, it should be noted that even in darkness a human soul can create something beautiful, as exampled here by a piece from a famous 19th century genius who struggled with his own depression:

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Embrace your inner ape, FT. It gets better--you almost never hear of public cannibalism these days.

255 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:06:56am

re: #254 Decatur Deb

Embrace your inner ape, FT. It gets better--you almost never hear of public cannibalism these days.

I know a of a few private clubs!!
/

256 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:10:43am

Morning Peeps.


re: #254 Decatur Deb

Finished traveling DD?

257 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:12:21am

re: #256 RogueOne

Morning Peeps.

Finished traveling DD?

Yeah--but not recovered from 10 days in the Valley of the Shadow of Wirelessness. Why, it was almost like being in some kind of gulag.

258 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:17:34am

re: #250 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Speaking of...Did you see this the other day?

Dershowitz: Zimmerman prosecutor ranted against Harvard
[Link: articles.orlandosentinel.com...]

Writing on Newsmax.com, the Harvard Law School professor says Corey called the school and went on "a 40-minute rant, during which she threatened to sue Harvard Law School, to try to get me disciplined by the Bar Association and to file charges against me for libel and slander."

When the school explained Dershowitz has a right to express his opinions, Corey "persisted in her nonstop whining," he writes, "claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility."

Dershowitz has been critical of Corey since she charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder in April. He says the affidavit she filed to support that charge omitted key facts and contained "half truths."

I looked for another source of the article other than Newsmax but it looks like that's the only place he published it.

259 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:24:37am

re: #258 RogueOne

Hack wignut ambulance chaser Dershowitz!!

///

260 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:28:30am

re: #258 RogueOne

Speaking of...Did you see this the other day?

Dershowitz: Zimmerman prosecutor ranted against Harvard
[Link: articles.orlandosentinel.com...]

I looked for another source of the article other than Newsmax but it looks like that's the only place he published it.

Saw the story elsewhere, with less detail. Since this is lawyer-on-lawyer, the truth will be 'nuanced'.

261 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:29:07am

re: #259 sattv4u2

His piece was amusing. He rips her pretty good.

262 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:30:25am

re: #261 RogueOne

His piece was amusing. He rips her pretty good.

Yes, I saw the original Dershowitz comments

263 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:49:25am

Soccer, cable TV at Gitmo? US lockup in Cuba quietly being upgraded
[Link: openchannel.msnbc.msn.com...]

GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba -- The U.S.-run Guantanamo Bay detention center in Cuba, targeted for closure by Barack Obama during his campaign for the presidency, is instead quietly undergoing millions of dollars of upgrades that could allow it to remain open for years as a prison for suspected terrorists, NBC News has learned.

Among the recent improvements to the facility commonly known as “Gitmo”: a heavily guarded soccer field for detainees known as “Super Rec,” which cost nearly $750,000 and opened this week; cable television in a communal living quarters and “enriching your life” classes for detainees, which include instruction on learning to paint, writing a resume -- even handling personal finances.

So that's how Al Queda keeps finding new #2's, gitmo resume's and LinkedIn.

264 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:49:39am

It's morning again!

How is it by you?

265 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:52:01am

re: #242 freetoken

Yes, but B follows from A.

IOW, the reason now costs are higher is rooted in that the ideas of everyone owning a house and spending an extended young adulthood in academic exercises (vice say working in the field or digging a ditch) demand the availability of more resources per person being available for these activities.

As the area/person of a dwelling increases the cost of said dwelling (and filling it with goodies, and maintaining it) go up.

Our society has formed itself around the collection of goodies (status symbols) and acquiring "wealth".

This goes right to the heart of what we are - primates, with tribes and social status. We can't escape what we are.

They can pry my macbook from my cold dead hands . . . .

266 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:52:16am

re: #263 RogueOne

Soccer, cable TV at Gitmo? US lockup in Cuba quietly being upgraded
[Link: openchannel.msnbc.msn.com...]

So that's how Al Queda keeps finding new #2's, gitmo resume's and LinkedIn.

Most military people who have been through a couple BRACs would say the millions in upgrades are a sure sigh of intent to close the base.

267 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:53:07am

re: #263 RogueOne

So that's how A lQueda keeps finding new #2's, gitmo resume's and LinkedIn.

"Help Wanted
#2 man in large secretive organization
Applicant must be willing to not buy green bananas"

268 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:54:19am
269 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:55:00am

You think the worst job in the world is Al Queda's # 2 man?

How do you think the #3 man feels!!

270 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:55:52am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

That's what happened to Ft. Harrison in Indpls. They spent a fortune building new barracks and then closed the base a few years later. When I enlisted I chose JAG because I knew they'd send me there for the school. It was only 8 miles from my home.

271 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:56:05am

re: #269 sattv4u2

You think the worst job in the world is Al Queda's # 2 man?

How do you think the #3 man feels!!

He's just eager to move into the fancy cubicle.

272 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:58:26am

re: #271 Decatur Deb

He's just eager to move into the fancy cubicle.

Image: 511362_3d75ad3e7f2ca2554a802f1226e2c415.jpg

It's a tad tight

273 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 4:59:22am

re: #272 sattv4u2

Image: 511362_3d75ad3e7f2ca2554a802f1226e2c415.jpg

It's a tad tight

It is for 73 occupants.

274 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:04:42am

re: #273 Decatur Deb

It is for 73 occupants.

Image: munchkins.jpg

Maybe not!!
/

275 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:06:32am

Cute overload:

9 Cases Of Puppy Food Comas
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

#4:
Image: enhanced-buzz-21130-1339041154-10.jpg

276 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:11:10am

re: #275 RogueOne

Cute overload:

9 Cases Of Puppy Food Comas
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

#4:
Image: enhanced-buzz-21130-1339041154-10.jpg

Caught this one last night in a Youtube slideshow. I don't normally do 'cute'.
Image: 891-puppy-commando.jpg

277 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:11:31am

Powerful storms damage homes in Colo., Wyo.
[Link: www.statesman.com...]

DENVER — A quarter-mile-wide tornado cut a swath across mainly open country in southeastern Wyoming, damaging homes, derailing empty train cars and leaving one person with minor injuries, officials said.

The twister was part of a powerful storm system that rolled through parts of Colorado and Wyoming Thursday afternoon and evening, packing heavy rains, high winds and hail. The storms followed a round of nasty late spring weather that pummeled the region Wednesday.

Related:

10 Unbelievable Photos From Freak Hail Storm In Colorado

This can't be normal. When hail falls from the sky it's not supposed to be as thick as snow, but last night in Colorado it was.
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Image: enhanced-buzz-wide-19736-1339075794-9.jpg

278 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:12:28am

re: #276 Decatur Deb

That's a big good luck charm, better than a rabbits foot.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:12:40am

re: #275 RogueOne

Cute overload:

9 Cases Of Puppy Food Comas
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

#4:
Image: enhanced-buzz-21130-1339041154-10.jpg

re: #276 Decatur Deb

Caught this one last night in a Youtube slideshow. I don't normally do 'cute'.
Image: 891-puppy-commando.jpg

PUPPIES!!!

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:15:26am

The boyz are coming home today from a 10 day fishing trip. I've been home alone.

You know, the whole week I've only gone thru 2 garbage bags. I didn't even bother taking out the trash on garbage day (today). I've run the dishwasher twice. Done 3 loads of laundry.

They are a lot of work.

281 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:16:35am

re: #276 Decatur Deb

I've found myself watching a lot of youtube over the last month or so. I've found a lot of tv shows, toons, and interviews to watch. I have every cable channel known to Comcast and yet lately I spend more time in the evenings watching youtube than cable.

282 iossarian  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:18:22am

Hello everyone.

I've been a bit busy making kids gay (no, I'm not Obama IRL, but I do like to emulate the great man). Hence not so much commenting.

283 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:19:26am

Between this and the London Bridge in Arizona, the archealogists are going to be scratching their heads in 1000 years.

Japan's tsunami dock washed up in US state of Oregon

A huge dock torn from a Japanese port by the 2011 tsunami has washed up 8,050km (5,000 miles) away on the US West Coast after crossing the Pacific.

The 165-tonne structure made of concrete, metal and tyres, and studded with starfish and barnacles, arrived on a beach south-west of Portland, Oregon.

284 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:20:06am

re: #281 RogueOne

I've found myself watching a lot of youtube over the last month or so. I've found a lot of tv shows, toons, and interviews to watch. I have every cable channel known to Comcast and yet lately I spend more time in the evenings watching youtube than cable.

Well, I can't even turn-on our new TV. I figure as long as I can work the computer, I don't have to know.

285 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:20:49am

re: #281 RogueOne

I've found myself watching a lot of youtube over the last month or so. I've found a lot of tv shows, toons, and interviews to watch. I have every cable channel known to Comcast and yet lately I spend more time in the evenings watching youtube than cable.

Shifted that way too. Don't usually even watch Stewart and Colbert, just listen from the next room. Youtube commenters, though, are really the stupidest on the web.

286 iossarian  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:24:31am

re: #281 RogueOne

I've found myself watching a lot of youtube over the last month or so. I've found a lot of tv shows, toons, and interviews to watch. I have every cable channel known to Comcast and yet lately I spend more time in the evenings watching youtube than cable.

I really only ever watch TV when I'm on the road, or for live sport. And I'm even cooling on the latter unless it's a social event.

My reaction to "average TV watching hours" stats is always astonishment that anyone could have that much time in their day, let alone the outliers.

287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:25:33am

New abortion bill --believe it or not this one is not to ban abortion.

288 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:27:20am

Morning Lizardim. Happy Friday from the hot and humid wild north country. Looking forward to taking a break away north for the weekend to go fishing. It'll be nice to kick back on the boat, just me, my family, and the bass (and the occasional northern pike). Anyone have any fun weekend plans made?

289 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:29:05am

Daytime stuff--BBL.

290 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:31:01am

re: #285 Decatur Deb

Shifted that way too. Don't usually even watch Stewart and Colbert, just listen from the next room. Youtube commenters, though, are really the stupidest on the web.

Sometimes I think it would be nice to see the ages of the people who post comments. Being 14 is not an excuse for the typical stupidity you see at YouTube, but it is certainly an explanation. The same comment made by a 40 year-old, however, has a whole different whiff to it.

291 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:32:44am

re: #286 iossarian

I really only ever watch TV when I'm on the road, or for live sport. And I'm even cooling on the latter unless it's a social event.

My reaction to "average TV watching hours" stats is always astonishment that anyone could have that much time in their day, let alone the outliers.

It depends on the definition of "watch", I suppose. My wife and I have the TV on practically the whole time we're awake. As far as actually watching it, though, it amounts to maybe a couple of hours per day.

292 iossarian  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:35:59am

re: #291 thedopefishlives

It depends on the definition of "watch", I suppose. My wife and I have the TV on practically the whole time we're awake. As far as actually watching it, though, it amounts to maybe a couple of hours per day.

Yeah, I do wonder what the active/background watching split is.

293 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:41:49am

Time to go back to bed. Dogs are getting ready for their after-breakfast nap.

Have a good one all!

294 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 5:53:44am

They passed the smoking bans in Indy last month. I'd like to thank the city personally since I've picked up 2 jobs in the last 24 hours. They have to separate the bar area from the family areas which means more work for my biggest customer and it's trickling down.....

295 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:07:26am

Sickening story, be warned:

Marci Webber, the former Nassau resident who was accused of killing her 4-year-old daughter in 2010 in a Chicago suburb to save her from demonic possession, was found not guilty by reason of insanity Thursday.

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

296 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:08:17am

More on the Zimmerman prosecutor:

Angela Corey's hissy fits, threats unprofessional
[Link: jacksonville.com...]

An unsolicited memo to State Attorney Angela Corey: You are a public official, and people have the right to express an opinion about how you are doing your job.

When those opinions are negative, throwing a hissy fit and making threats do not reflect well. With Corey, there's a pattern of that.

Last December when I wrote a column critical of how she handled the Cristian Fernandez case, she fired off a two-page, single-spaced letter on official state attorney letterhead hinting at lawsuits for libel.

In the letter, she called me out for my "lack of knowledge and objectivity about the workings of the criminal justice system." Ouch. I think she called me stupid.

The piece also mentions her going after others including the former president of the ABA and a lawyer from the SPLC. She has a habit of threatening to sue anyone who says anything critical of her. Seems a bit thin skinned for a prosecutor.

297 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:11:25am

re: #296 RogueOne

In the letter, she called me out for my "lack of knowledge and objectivity about the workings of the criminal justice system."

Wonder if she included the same phraseology in the call to Harvard re: Dershowitz!!?!?!

/

298 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:15:12am

I got poked twice by a phlebotomist today, glad it wasn't the proctologist.

299 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:17:46am

Z-max zombie bullets, now I've seen everything.

300 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:19:15am

re: #298 Tommy's cone of shame

I got poked twice by a phlebotomist today, glad it wasn't the proctologist.

Or a rhino!

301 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:21:19am

Today the ACLU has it's annual Law Luncheon downtown. Their media coordinator contacted us and asked if we could volunteer a photographer for the event. I can't make it given my schedule but Dragon_Lady will be their photographer today. It's how we thank the ACLU for their efforts on photographers rights. The people in the LA chapter are very nice folks. We had a ball at their garden party last year.

302 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:22:53am

re: #299 Tommy's cone of shame

Z-max zombie bullets, now I've seen everything.

I saw those a while back, some time before this whole zombie craze started. I don't doubt sales have probably taken off in recent weeks.

303 darthstar  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:23:27am

re: #300 sattv4u2

Or a rhino!

You say some really corny shit sometimes, satty...I like that about you.

Mornin' everyone.

304 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:25:28am

re: #303 darthstar

You say some really corny shit sometimes, satty...I like that about you.

Mornin' everyone.

As an infant, Mom dropped me on my head often

305 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:26:37am

Milky Way Chocolate Ice Cream bars

They come 6 in a pack
I'm here (work) for 12 hours
1 every 2 hours seems right!

306 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:26:45am

From a friend at on Facebook

During a recent password audit by a company, it was found that an employee was using the following password:

"MickeyMinniePlutoHueyLouieDeweyDonaldGoofySacramento"

When asked why she had such a long password, she rolled her eyes and said:

"Hello! It has to be at least 8 characters long and include at least one capital."

307 darthstar  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:29:16am

re: #306 Daniel Ballard

Probably buys her cakes at Walmart.

Image: walmart_cake1.jpg

Takes a second, but you have to love it.

308 darthstar  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:35:39am
309 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:38:50am

Good morning lizards!

My new car is in the shop for a few small repairs so they gave me a 2011 Nissan Altima to drive around in today. It's pretty quick. I might have to get on the highway and test the speed.

310 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:40:03am

re: #309 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

My new car is in the shop for a few small repairs so they gave me a 2011 Nissan Altima to drive around in today. It's pretty quick. I might have to get on the highway and test the speed.

we have an '08 and love it

311 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:40:45am

re: #310 sattv4u2

we have an '08 and love it

The smart key is pretty cool.

312 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:42:31am

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

The smart key is pretty cool.

08's don't have those (think the '10 was the 1st model year with it)

Prolly getting a new Maxima is a year or so to replace the Altima (or keep the Altima and get rid of one of our other cars)

313 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:42:47am

re: #306 Daniel Ballard

From a friend at on Facebook

During a recent password audit by a company, it was found that an employee was using the following password:

"MickeyMinniePlutoHueyLouieDeweyDonaldGoofySacramento"

When asked why she had such a long password, she rolled her eyes and said:

"Hello! It has to be at least 8 characters long and include at least one capital."

You need to update your joke. I understand Pluto has been downgraded to Dwarf Character.

314 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:42:59am

Welcome to the Olympic PC Games

(CNN) -- Two Australian Olympic swimmers who posted pictures on Facebook of themselves brandishing weapons have been ordered to take them down by the country's swimming authorities.

The image, taken in a gun shop in Santa Clara, California, showed Nick D'Arcy with two pistols standing next to Kenrick Monk who is holding two shotguns across his chest, according to a Friday report in Australia's Herald Sun. The swimmers were training in the U.S. ahead of the Olympic Games in London later this year.

Swimming Australia said in a statement that it does not condone "the posting of inappropriate content on Facebook, Twitter or any social media platform."

As of Friday morning, neither of the swimmers' Facebook pages or Twitter accounts contained the photo.

315 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:50:28am

re: #314 Daniel Ballard

Dolts

Everyone knows the weapon of choice for swimmers are torpedoes!!

316 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:50:41am

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

317 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:53:11am

re: #313 erik_t

I think you just added another punchline... LOL.

318 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:54:20am

re: #314 Daniel Ballard

Wow, didn't realize Aussie sphincters were so damn tight. I thought they were supposed to be a country full of roughnecks?

319 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 6:56:31am

re: #258 RogueOne

Too much needless noise around this case [I do not mean the initial coverage, although it was flawed too]. This is irritating. At this point I'm "meh, let's wait for the trial, but no side looks good".

320 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:00:22am

re: #319 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Too much needless noise around this case [I do not mean the initial coverage, although it was flawed too]. This is irritating. At this point I'm "meh, let's wait for the trial, but no side looks good".

Careful there, the prosecutor might try to stretch that into a libel suit....She's an incredibly lovely person with beautiful thin skin....

321 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:05:08am

Speaking of govt regs providing more work, I need to look into installing pool lifts:

Hazardous Swimming Pool Lifts
[Link: www.volokh.com...]

I was at the hotel for approximately two hours. In that time, three kids besides my own used the pool. Of those three, one ran smack into the lift, fortunately managing not to seriously injure herself. (The pool area at this hotel is rather small, and there wasn’t much space between the wall of the room containing the pool and the pool, and at one junction the lift took up much of that space.) A second used the lift as a diving board, fortunately only for jumping, not diving. But this is a serious hazard, as a child (or adult) could easily use the lift for diving, and into shallow water.

It took me less than the two hours to figure out that these permanent lifts are a significant hazard to children (and others). I Googled it when I arrived home, and discovered that the hospitality industry has in fact raised this argument to regulators. It is far from frivolous.

My insurance company already hates me (they hate welders, bigots), I bet they'd freak if I tried to get a waiver for providing those things. It took weeks to get coverage just for providing roof access ladders.

Image: srsmith_axs1000.jpg

322 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:06:05am

re: #320 RogueOne

Careful there, the prosecutor might try to stretch that into a libel suit...She's an incredibly lovely person with beautiful thin skin...

I did not say she looks bad. I said she doesn't look good. Because in fact she looks incredibly splendid!

/

323 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:08:23am

re: #318 RogueOne

Wow, didn't realize Aussie sphincters were so damn tight. I thought they were supposed to be a country full of roughnecks?

Morning. So, let me think about this for a moment. It wasn't something decided by the Australian parliament so it's a little difficult to categorize this as being the result of tight "Aussie sphincters." Adding to this is that the Olympics are supposed to be a family event made for the viewing and admiration of young children who see the athletes as role models. Also, as representatives of their nation, Australia, there's a certain level of decorum or respect that should be paid for their nation.

The photo can be seen here and you can see D'Arcy on the left holding the handguns in what could be described as "gang mode" or a criminal. D'Arcy already has had a run in with the law due to an assault:

On 31 March 2008, D'Arcy was charged with assault after a brawl with former Commonwealth Games triple gold medalist Simon Cowley on the night of D'Arcy's naming in the Australian Olympic team. He was later charged with inflicting grievous bodily harm. On 3 April 2008, a second athlete, Tim Peach, came forward claiming he was also assaulted by D'Arcy. D'Arcy was granted conditional bail to appear in court on 21 April 2008. He pled guilty to one charge of recklessly inflicting grievous bodily harm, the victim suffered fractures to his jaw, eye socket, hard palate, cheek bone and nose.

On 18 April, the Australian Olympic Committee (AOC) dropped D'Arcy from its 2008 Olympic team, claiming that the swimmer had brought the team into disrepute. D'Arcy subsequently appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), which confirmed the AOC's decision. However, CAS also found that the decision to expel D'Arcy should not have been made solely by the President of the AOC John Coates, but instead by the entire AOC Board. The AOC Board subsequently unanimously decided to withdraw D'Arcy's membership from the team on 11 June 2008...

324 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:08:49am

re: #323 Gus

Morning.

Good evening.

325 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:10:31am

re: #324 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Good evening.

Happy Friday night!

326 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:10:47am

re: #323 Gus

I'm more offended by the near "duck face" on suspect #1.

327 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:11:39am

re: #326 RogueOne

I'm more offended by the near "duck face" on suspect #1.

Worse! Is that a Member's Only jacket and was that picture taken in 1976?

//

328 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:11:42am

re: #325 Gus

Tomorrow is a work day (after which 3 days off). June 12 is a "Russia day".

329 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:12:57am

re: #328 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Tomorrow is a work day (after which 3 days off). June 12 is a "Russia day".

Going to any air shows?

330 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:13:13am

re: #327 Gus

..and he looks sort of like Vanilla Ice. That's 3 strikes, I say he's gone!

331 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:13:19am

BTW, call me a balance fairy etc., but I'm uncomfortable that some of KT's comments got into Bottom 10 today. Many of them are pretty neutral observations with a skeptical slant and I see nothing wrong with it.

332 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:13:53am

re: #329 Gus

Nah.

333 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:15:54am

re: #332 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Nah.

Do all the former CCCP folks go into hiding that day? :)

334 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:16:29am

re: #328 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

Tomorrow is a work day (after which 3 days off). June 12 is a "Russia day".

Russia Day sounds like it could be a blast. Millions of Yeltsin impersonators getting drunk and dancing badly. Has it taken off or do people mostly ignore it?

335 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:17:33am

re: #331 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

BTW, call me a balance fairy etc., but I'm uncomfortable that some of KT's comments got into Bottom 10 today. Many of them are pretty neutral observations with a skeptical slant and I see nothing wrong with it.

Neutral in tone, that is.

336 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:18:42am

re: #331 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

BTW, call me a balance fairy etc., but I'm uncomfortable that some of KT's comments got into Bottom 10 today. Many of them are pretty neutral observations with a skeptical slant and I see nothing wrong with it.

I suspect a poll of ten lizards will reveal eleven viewpoints of what a down-ding means and/or when it is called for. YMMV.

337 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:18:51am

I know I'm a slowpoke but I just discovered Die Antwoord:

338 Interesting Times  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:18:58am

re: #331 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

BTW, call me a balance fairy etc., but I'm uncomfortable that some of KT's comments got into Bottom 10 today. Many of them are pretty neutral observations with a skeptical slant and I see nothing wrong with it.

It may be an example of getting dinged for style/motive as opposed to content (you've probably noticed how two commenters can say essentially the same thing, but the one with a prior reputation for bad faith/trolling gets downdinged, while the other commenter doesn't. It may not be "fair", but it does go to show that, once you've created a bad impression, it lingers and lingers and lingers and lingers...)

339 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:19:04am

re: #331 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

BTW, call me a balance fairy etc., but I'm uncomfortable that some of KT's comments got into Bottom 10 today. Many of them a pretty neutral observations with a skeptical slant and I see nothing wrong with it.

I think a lot of people downding KT on principle. The whole Occupy kerfluffle hurt his public image 'round these parts, whether or no it was deserved.

340 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:20:16am

re: #338 Interesting Times

re: #339 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I know. I think it's a bit of an ad hominem. Again, just my view.

341 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:20:51am

[Mumbles like Marlon Brando.]

342 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:21:07am

re: #340 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

re: #339 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I know. I think it's a bit of an ad hominem. Again, just my view.

I happen to agree. I only use my downding for posts that are obviously trolling. I'm a bit more liberal with my upding, thankfully. It's just a nicer way to live.

343 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:21:10am

re: #337 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

I only heard of her for the first time 2 days ago:

Die Antwoord's New Video Is Predictably NSFW

Also, a total mind warp.
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

The music isn't my thing but I loved the video.

344 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:21:59am

re: #343 RogueOne

Yep, the visuals are a part of the experience.

345 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:22:08am

re: #339 thedopefishlives

I think a lot of people downding KT on principle. The whole Occupy kerfluffle hurt his public image 'round these parts, whether or no it was deserved.

Continues to hurt, if we're being honest with ourselves. I think the bad memories would fade away if he would let them.

346 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:22:08am

re: #338 Interesting Times

It may be an example of getting dinged for style/motive as opposed to content (you've probably noticed how two commenters can say essentially the same thing, but the one with a prior reputation for bad faith/trolling gets downdinged, while the other commenter doesn't. It may not be "fair", but it does go to show that, once you've created a bad impression, it lingers and lingers and lingers and lingers...)

That was happening to me when I first joined. Some folks were vicious! It hurt my feelings...

347 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:23:12am

re: #346 RogueOne

That was happening to me when I first joined. Some folks were vicious! It hurt my feelings...

I'm proud to say my first post here accumulated a solid ten down-dings. Didn't know the implications of something being posted at Fox Nation; I guess it looked sock-ey.

348 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:25:16am

re: #347 erik_t

I'm proud to say my first post here accumulated a solid ten down-dings. Didn't know the implications of something being posted at Fox Nation; I guess it looked sock-ey.

Psshhh, rookie! I got hammered, cursed, was warned to stay out of Denver and received a time-out! Stupid balloon boy.

349 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:26:29am

Wait, so the stories keep calling this kid a "radio host". I find that suspiciously vague. Like... radio host on a show that goes out on a mainline station? Host of the morning radio show at his school, or Sunday school group?

I'd say that adults getting their ideological content from a kid in his early teens would pretty much qualify for the "Holy shit, this world we live in is fucked up beyond any hope of repair" award, but that may not actually be the case.

Oh god I hope that's not the case.

...please tell me that's not the case.

350 sagehen  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:29:46am

Obama is shortly to give an economy/jobs press conference in the White House Press Room (all 3 cable news channels)...

351 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:32:56am

Gus,

Speaking of Denver....how often do you guys have to worry about a tornado? I would think those would be pretty rare around there.

352 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:33:41am

re: #351 RogueOne

Gus,

Speaking of Denver...how often do you guys have to worry about a tornado? I would think those would be pretty rare around there.

Certainly not like what we see here upon the plains.

353 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:33:41am

Morning folks.

Feline Overlord passed his vet visit. Eye looks better, but still gets ointment until it is fully healed. He put up with a lot of poking and prodding without much complaint. Then yelled at me when we got home and demanded (and got) a full 3oz can of cat food to eat.

Last seen snoozing on the heating pad after getting his pill and ointment put in his eye.

Time to catch up on work things and then prep for the weekend.

354 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:34:19am

re: #353 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

In my experience, the cat is the heating pad.

355 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:34:35am

re: #353 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Morning folks.

Feline Overlord passed his vet visit. Eye looks better, but still gets ointment until it is fully healed. He put up with a lot of poking and prodding without much complaint. Then yelled at me when we got home and demanded (and got) a full 3oz can of cat food to eat.

Last seen snoozing on the heating pad after getting his pill and ointment put in his eye.

Time to catch up on work things and then prep for the weekend.

Morning. Glad the Feline Overlord is doing well. I'm going away for a long weekend and I don't know if my feline overlords are going to know what to do with themselves. Other than chase each other around, of course.

356 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:34:39am

re: #349 GunstarGreen

I'd say that adults getting their ideological content from a kid in his early teens would pretty much qualify for the "Holy shit, this world we live in is fucked up beyond any hope of repair" award, but that may not actually be the case.

Oh god I hope that's not the case.

...please tell me that's not the case.

Have a bucket handy, then click this.

357 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:34:45am

re: #351 RogueOne

Gus,

Speaking of Denver...how often do you guys have to worry about a tornado? I would think those would be pretty rare around there.

Barely. The local news of course will make any local warning sound like a swarm is about to hit downtown Denver leading to 100s of deaths. There was one rare touchdown that took place many years ago. But worry in Denver? Not really. The only place to worry is points east.

358 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:36:28am

re: #357 Gus

Ah, scenic Colorbraska.

359 Interesting Times  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:36:33am
360 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:36:45am

re: #357 Gus

That was my assumption. It was weird to hear about tornado warnings the other night.

The one thing I noticed about Denver drivers was they were fine driving in snow (like bats out of hell!) but seemed really hesitant when it was raining hard.

361 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:36:56am

re: #354 erik_t

In my experience, the cat is the heating pad.

Sort of mutual. His preferred warming method is lying on or next to me to draw/give heat. The pad is the backup for when I am not there or the sun is not out to make the windowsill an attractive alternative.

362 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:38:54am

re: #358 erik_t

Ah, scenic Colorbraska.

Sort of like an area carpet that someone slid into. One end crumpled up and formed the Front Range.

363 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:39:10am

re: #360 RogueOne

That was my assumption. It was weird to hear about tornado warnings the other night.

The one thing I noticed about Denver drivers was they were fine driving in snow (like bats out of hell!) but seemed really hesitant when it was raining hard.

Last summer driving back in to Denver my wipers couldn't keep up with the rain. That used to happen almost every afternoon. I think the rain thing is universal. The larger hail will mess your car up.

364 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:40:56am

re: #355 thedopefishlives

Morning. Glad the Feline Overlord is doing well. I'm going away for a long weekend and I don't know if my feline overlords are going to know what to do with themselves. Other than chase each other around, of course.

That's why I usually have two cats. When in doubt they will keep each other amused. A single cat will *find* something amusing; like flushing the toilet repeatedly, or seeing how many items it can knock off the dresser and then hide under furniture.

365 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:42:20am

re: #363 Gus

I just assumed it was because you're probably more used to snow than hard rain.

My spouse and I are supposed to head out later this summer to visit friends. I'm looking forward to it, that is if I'm able to go. Right now I'm booked through July.

366 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:45:09am

re: #365 RogueOne

I just assumed it was because you're probably more used to snow than hard rain.

My spouse and I are supposed to head out later this summer to visit friends. I'm looking forward to it, that is if I'm able to go. Right now I'm booked through July.

I've driven like a maniac in the rain in New Jersey. That was part of my "driver training" process. //

Snow is actually easy to drive in once you get used to it. You still can't drive "fast" no matter what some of the other dummies do. Not to slow either. The problem is that you might be in control but others may not. So one dumb trip to the grocery store can lead to a fender bender.

367 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:47:00am

re: #364 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That's why I usually have two cats. When in doubt they will keep each other amused. A single cat will *find* something amusing; like flushing the toilet repeatedly, or seeing how many items it can knock off the dresser and then hide under furniture.

This is why I made it an imperative to get a second companion cat for my feline overlord. When I first got him, I lived in a cabin alone, which is not good for a cat when I'm gone for 8 hours a day. So I rescued him a playmate that would keep him occupied during the day. My feline overlord is still overly attached to me as compared to other people, but at least he is okay without me instead of sitting at the door crying like he used to.

368 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:48:27am

re: #366 Gus

My first year of college was in Knoxville. One afternoon they got almost 8" of snow. I hit the main d[bigoted word]ed to the store and some people were driving 10 mph and others were going 100 (mild exaggeration). I turned around and went back before some a-hole killed me.

369 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:50:15am

More horror stories coming out of Syria...

...Mr al-Hamwy finally emerged from hiding to find the men - allegedly government troops - had set his home on fire. His family burned to death inside.

'I saw bodies everywhere,' he said. 'Entire families shot or killed with sharp sticks and knives.'

‘(There were) burned bodies of children and women and girls were on the ground.

'I saw something you cannot imagine. It was a horrifying massacre... people were executed and burned. Bodies of young men were taken away.'

As the day went on, horrific details began to emerge from witnesses who had run for their lives as the slaughter took place.

Much of the detail about events at Al-Kubeir came from Mr al-Hamwy, who said that there had not been a 'single demonstration' against the Damascus regime in his village.

He described how the killing had begun at around 2pm local time on Wednesday, when tanks surround the farms.

'They (Syrian troops) started to shell Al-Kubeir, and did not stop until 8pm,' he said.

'They had guns and knives... They went there from nearby villages like Asileh, which is Alawite,' he said of the offshoot of Shiite Islam from which Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his family hails.

Mr al-Hamwy,said he had heard that the bodies of some young men from Al-Kubeir were taken to Asileh.

'I heard from people I know in that village that the shabiha militiamen drank and danced around their corpses, chanting songs praising Assad,' an emotional Laith claimed.

He said the murders were triggered when a farmer from the area wanted to enter Al-Kubeir but was turned away at a checkpoint between Asileh and Al-Kubeir.

'The farmer still managed to get into Al-Kubeir, and that's when regime forces started to deploy around the farmland,' Mr al-Hamwy said.

'We just can't take this any more... people are being killed, everything is a set-up, a lie. We only have God to rely on. Only God will help us.'

...

My heart goes out to them. If there is any example of what Hell is like, this comes close.

370 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:52:47am

re: #368 RogueOne

My first year of college was in Knoxville. One afternoon they got almost 8" of snow. I hit the main d[bigoted word]ed to the store and some people were driving 10 mph and others were going 100 (mild exaggeration). I turned around and went back before some a-hole killed me.

Exactly. That happens here too. There will be those that are driving way too slow and there will always be those that do the opposite and drive way to fast. Some of those faster nuts will actually drive faster when it's snowing then when it's warm and dry. It's some crazed psychological reaction.

371 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:54:57am

re: #368 RogueOne

My first year of college was in Knoxville. One afternoon they got almost 8" of snow. I hit the main d[bigoted word]ed to the store and some people were driving 10 mph and others were going 100 (mild exaggeration). I turned around and went back before some a-hole killed me.

Upding for amusing accidental censorship.

372 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:55:04am

Best way to get traction in the snow from a complete stop is to floor it!

//

373 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:55:23am

re: #370 Gus

Exactly. That happens here too. There will be those that are driving way to slow and there will always be those that do the opposite and drive way to fast. Some of those faster nuts will actually drive faster when it's snowing then when it's warm and dry. It's some crazed psychological reaction.

Happens up here in the wild north country all the time. You'd think, out of the entire country, people either up here or out your way would know how to deal with driving in snow properly. But nooo, every year we have multiple cars off the road in the ditch because people are going way too fast for conditions. I've thought about making a profitable business from driving around with 4-wheel drive and a tow rope.

374 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:55:27am

re: #370 Gus

Around here it's like people forget how to drive in the ice/snow. We get plenty of it during the winter so it's not like it should come as some big surprise but the first few snows always cause a ton of accidents.

375 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:56:34am

re: #373 thedopefishlives

Happens up here in the wild north country all the time. You'd think, out of the entire country, people either up here or out your way would know how to deal with driving in snow properly. But nooo, every year we have multiple cars off the road in the ditch because people are going way too fast for conditions. I've thought about making a profitable business from driving around with 4-wheel drive and a tow rope.

You need to relearn to drive in the snow every November. I completely avoid the roads in every season's first snowfall.

376 Mattand  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:59:10am

re: #342 thedopefishlives

I happen to agree. I only use my downding for posts that are obviously trolling. I'm a bit more liberal with my upding, thankfully. It's just a nicer way to live.

That's what I try to do. IIRC, I think I've only downdinged once; KT made an incredibly sexist comment a few weeks back (in the name of being un-PC, I guess).

A downding, like a shark with lasers on its head, is a big responsibility that should be used carefully.

377 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 7:59:39am

re: #374 RogueOne

Around here it's like people forget how to drive in the ice/snow. We get plenty of it during the winter so it's not like it should come as some big surprise but the first few snows always cause a ton of accidents.

Now ice is almost impossible unless you have studded tires.

378 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:00:33am

re: #371 erik_t

Upding for amusing accidental censorship.

Now I'm trying to figure out what on earth the [bigoted word] could possibly be...

379 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:00:42am

re: #371 erik_t

Upding for amusing accidental censorship.

Ha! Took me awhile to figure out what was censored. "main drag, headed to the store". That's twice now it's censored me, it's almost like a censorship gulag or something....//

380 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:01:48am

re: #378 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

I needed a comma. Grammar Nazi's holding me down.

381 Mattand  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:01:50am

re: #373 thedopefishlives

Happens up here in the wild north country all the time. You'd think, out of the entire country, people either up here or out your way would know how to deal with driving in snow properly. But nooo, every year we have multiple cars off the road in the ditch because people are going way too fast for conditions. I've thought about making a profitable business from driving around with 4-wheel drive and a tow rope.

The wave of panic that spreads through the Philly metro area on the first decent snowfall is alternately hilarious and terrifying.

I was working in a liquor store way back during a snow fall. Guy from CO came in and out of the parking lot like it was the middle of July. Not driving crazy; the 1/2 inch on the ground was no biggie to him.

382 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:01:50am

re: #378 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

Well, he was on the main drag and the letter 'h' is close to the letter 'g', and one might accidentally hit both at once.

383 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:02:01am

Floor it!!

384 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:04:33am

Terrible news from the music world...

Fleetwood Mac member and solo artist Bob Welch commits suicide

RIP Bob, thank you for some great music.

385 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:05:02am

Extended version.

Aren't you glad it's Spring?

386 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:07:40am

re: #381 mattand

The wave of panic that spreads through the Philly metro area on the first decent snowfall is alternately hilarious and terrifying.

I was working in a liquor store way back when during a snow fall. Guy from CO came in and out of the parking lot like it was the middle of July. Not driving crazy; the 1/2 inch on the ground was no biggie to him.

That effect is true for most of Pennsylvania in general. Complete panic once there are flakes in the air regardless of whether the snow is actually sticking to the road.

I know how to drive in snow (courtesy of northern NY state upbringing). I generally stay off the roads during storms and immediately afterwards to avoid the nuts, not due to the conditions themselves. And I have 4WD as well, but know that it's not 4-wheel stop, though ABS is a helpful improvement over old cars.

I got caught in the snow storm in New Jersey last year around Halloween. No snow were I was visiting right on Raritan Bay. 4" a mile or so inland, and varying depth until I got down near Trenton. That whole drive was an experience due to seeing the whole spectrum of driving behaviors from wild speed idiocy on packed snow to near comatose crawling on pavement that was simply wet.

387 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:08:38am

re: #379 RogueOne

Ha! Took me awhile to figure out what was censored. "main drag, headed to the store". That's twice now it's censored me, it's almost like a censorship gulag or something...//

Interesting that it's complex enough to not allow the easy dodge of adding a space to the [bigoted word].

388 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:09:33am

re: #331 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)

BTW, call me a balance fairy etc., but I'm uncomfortable that some of KT's comments got into Bottom 10 today. Many of them are pretty neutral observations with a skeptical slant and I see nothing wrong with it.

It's been that way for quite some time and it's just not my comments. Oh, well. So it goes.

389 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:10:53am

re: #387 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That's twice I've been censored for the same word. I'm going to have to be more careful, don't want to get a bad reputation. The first time it was a quote from a politician in SC calling Nikki Haley the bad word.

390 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:14:33am

re: #388 Killgore Trout

I agree with dings for comments which were made in assholish tone (like the Rachel Maddow comment, etc.), but here it's just because of disagreement.

391 Mattand  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:14:50am

re: #386 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That effect is true for most of Pennsylvania in general. Complete panic once there are flakes in the air regardless of whether the snow is actually sticking to the road.

I know how to drive in snow (courtesy of northern NY state upbringing). I generally stay off the roads during storms and immediately afterwards to avoid the nuts, not due to the conditions themselves. And I have 4WD as well, but know that it's not 4-wheel stop, though ABS is a helpful improvement over old cars.

I got caught in the snow storm in New Jersey last year around Halloween. No snow were I was visiting right on Raritan Bay. 4" a mile or so inland, and varying depth until I got down near Trenton. That whole drive was an experience due to seeing the whole spectrum of driving behaviors from wild speed idiocy on packed snow to near comatose crawling on pavement that was simply wet.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

NJ Halloween snowstorm? I don't remember that. I'm in South Jersey, about 12 miles from Philly and an hour from Trenton. I wonder if that blew by us. Many of those storms tend to drift north of us and hit NY metro/North Jersey.

392 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:15:18am

Oops. I forgot my drum this morning.

//

393 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:16:10am

These speakers sound like a fun and inspiring pair...

Occupy Wall Street: Anarchism in Action

Marisa Holmes and Matt Presto, who have participated in Occupy Wall Street since its inception, will recount their experiences as anarchists in the movement. They will facilitate a conversation about the influence of anarchist principles, such as direct action, mutual aid, and voluntary association, on practices in OWS. Also, they will ask about the role of anarchism in the occupy movement moving forward.

Marisa Holmes is an anarchist activist and filmmaker based in Brooklyn, NY. She has organized with Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), No Games Chicago, Bibliotheque Popular, US Uncut, and, Occupy Wall Street. At Occupy Wall Street, she has been largely involved with structure, facilitation, and media. She is looking forward to building a global movement in response to the financial crisis.

Matt Presto is a schoolteacher in Brooklyn, NY. Prior to Occupy Wall Street, he was involved with NYC Queers Against Israeli Apartheid, Coalition to Stop Islamophobia, the G20 protests in Pittsburgh. He has worked with the tactical committee, safer spaces, and mutual aid at Occupy Wall Street.

394 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:17:26am

re: #392 Gus

Oops. I forgot my drum this morning.

//

Here, you can borrow mine.

Oops. I guess that makes me a commie. I'll go sit in the commie corner.

395 Mattand  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:17:50am

re: #387 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Interesting that it's complex enough to not allow the easy dodge of adding a space to the [bigoted word].

What is the LGF policy for using words like that if they being used in context; i.e., quoting what some knuckle dragger said?

Personally, I'm not a fan of censoring sensitive words like that if there's a point. Then again, I'm white and male, so I've never had to deal with that shit.

396 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:19:26am

re: #391 mattand

Yeah, that sounds about right.

NJ Halloween snowstorm? I don't remember that. I'm in South Jersey, about 12 miles from Philly and an hour from Trenton. I wonder if that blew by us. Many of those storms tend to drift north of us and hit NY metro/North Jersey.

That storm mainly hit northern NJ and the NYC metro area I think. Up around Parsippany it dropped 10-12" in places. Decreasing amounts as you went south. By the time I was down around Trenton it was 1-2" at most and had been plowed down to pavement already on the highways. And by Philly it was all rain and no snow at all.

Might also have been the week before Halloween. It was October in any case. (checks) October 29th. Typical nor'easter where it tracks weird and thus misses some areas while hammering other areas.

397 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:19:32am

This got lost in all the recall news madness the other day. A recall I can get behind:

Voters Recall 3 Fullerton City Council Members
[Link: www.ktla.com...]

Three Fullerton City Council members saw their political careers end Tuesday night when voters recalled them in the wake of the police beating death last year of homeless man Kelly Thomas.

When the results came in Tuesday night and it appeared that the policymakers -- Don Bankhead, Pat McKinley and Richard Jones -- would indeed be recalled, they were at a council meeting.

When he heard the news, Jones simply left the meeting, saying he "had enough."

He had "had enough"? It could have been worse, he lost his council seat, no one dragged him outside and beat him to death.

398 Interesting Times  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:20:23am
400 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:23:38am

re: #398 Interesting Times

I've loved David Alan Grier since the "Amazon Women On The Moon" movie:

Don Simmons:

402 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:27:40am

Time to do some yard work before it gets too warm. Enjoy the day folks!

403 Interesting Times  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:29:32am

re: #401 Gus

Koran-Hating Pastor Hangs Barack Obama In Effigy In Florida Church's Front Yard

re: #402 RogueOne

Time to do some yard work before it gets too warm. Enjoy the day folks!

That's a disturbing post sequence coincidence... *_*

404 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:29:41am

I don't know if I could eat one of these.

The City's Weirdest Frozen Treat? Salted Licorice Pops

405 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:30:06am

Car Talk is ending.

This is now the worst day.

406 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:31:42am

re: #405 erik_t

Car Talk is ending.

This is now the worst day.

Best NPR program ever. I've been listening to them for about 20 years. Bummer they are ending the show.

407 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:33:36am

re: #405 erik_t

Car Talk is ending.

This is now the worst day.

[Link: www.cartalk.com...]

408 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:33:38am

re: #401 Gus

Koran-Hating Pastor Hangs Barack Obama In Effigy In Florida Church's Front Yard

Now that's how a church says "I'm a welcoming place."

409 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:34:44am

In Soviet Russia Barak Obamov hangs your effigy!

410 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:34:53am

re: #408 HappyWarrior

Now that's how a church says "I'm a welcoming place."

We welcome all people*.


* = Unless you're gay, black, Hispanic, Asian, transsexual, or basically anything other than an ordinary white Christian. And if you're a woman, it's all YOUR fault. Sinner.

411 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:36:48am

re: #410 thedopefishlives

We welcome all people*.

* = Unless you're gay, black, Hispanic, Asian, transsexual, or basically anything other than an ordinary white Christian. And if you're a woman, it's all YOUR fault. Sinner.

Anything other than a conservative white christian who hates all the above.

412 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:38:57am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Transcends that sometimes, depending on the individual.

Last time I saw my folks (A month or so ago?), I had to bite my tongue pretty damn hard not to burst out laughing when they were telling me about how awesome their new pastor was, and how much I'd like him.

"Well, except that one time when he said a lot of bad stuff about Fox News..."

As an atheist myself, watching them squirm between supporting their religion or supporting their cult was hilarious.

413 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:40:45am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Anything other than a conservative white christian who hates all the above.

It really bothers me. The Jesus portrayed in the New Testament hung out with all the people modern Christians would decry as "undesirables". That was the point of his whole message. Our modern-day Pharisees are just too caught up in being the holiest people on the planet to notice the negative effect their efforts are having on the world.

414 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:41:38am

Orlando man given George Zimmerman’s cellphone number, gets death threats

Talk about an unlucky draw.

An Orlando, Fla., man says his life has been turned upside down since May 7, when T-Mobile reportedly assigned him the cellphone number formerly used by accused Florida gunman George Zimmerman.

It's the same mobile number Zimmerman gave police dispatchers during the notorious 911 call moments before he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin three months ago.

Yikes!

415 sagehen  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:44:16am

re: #398 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

I have a go-to vid for Republican response to Obama policies, speeches and announcements:

416 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:46:30am
417 iossarian  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:48:03am

re: #405 erik_t

Car Talk is ending.

This is now the worst day.

What is this Car Talk of which you speak?

In unrelated news, I heard that Cah Tahlk is going to stop transmitting. Bummer.

419 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:48:36am

Finally a non-superhero movie. Whew.

420 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:49:27am

re: #417 iossarian

What is this Car Talk of which you speak?

In unrelated news, I heard that Cah Tahlk is going to stop transmitting. Bummer.

I feel worst for Doug the Subway Fugitive, Not a Slave to Fashion, Bongo-Boy Berman.

421 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:49:48am

re: #419 Gus

Finally a non-superhero movie. Whew.

Speaking of superhero movies, I may be renting Act of Valor early next week. I wanted to see it in theaters, but the Mrs. Fish said no.

422 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:51:27am

No triple crown this year.

[Link: tracking.si.com...]

423 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:51:59am
424 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:53:57am

re: #422 William Barnett-Lewis

No triple crown this year.

[Link: tracking.si.com...]

Ouch. Bet that's a pretty severe sting to some pride.

425 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 8:56:07am

re: #405 erik_t

Car Talk is ending.

This is now the worst day.

From the link:

"Car Talk" isn’t disappearing, however. NPR says repurposed episodes will continue to air every week with material culled from the show’s archives.

They've been doing that for years. It was a great show, but I have to agree with them that it's time to call it quits.

re: #420 erik_t

I feel worst for Doug the Subway Fugitive, Not a Slave to Fashion, Bongo-Boy Berman.

He's still working at "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me".

426 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:08:01am

Uh oh. Here we go again...

Prosecutors: Killer Played World of Warcraft 7 Hours Per Day

Anders Breivik, the right-wing extremist who has confessed to killing 77 people during a murder spree in Norway last summer, played the violent computer game World of Warcraft nearly seven hours a day for several consecutive months before his attack, prosecutors say...

427 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:08:44am

re: #426 Gus

Stupid.

428 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:09:07am

re: #426 Gus

Uh oh. Here we go again...

Prosecutors: Killer Played World of Warcraft 7 Hours Per Day

It's been played up so much, many World of Warcraft fan sites are posting articles about this and how it doesn't mean anything about the gaming public at large. It's so stupid.

429 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:10:05am

re: #426 Gus

Uh oh. Here we go again...

Prosecutors: Killer Played World of Warcraft 7 Hours Per Day

So if World of Warcraft is violent, that means we should just go out and lock up all those kids playing Call of Duty right away, right? It's for the greater good, after all./

430 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:11:09am

re: #429 thedopefishlives

So if World of Warcraft is violent, that means we should just go out and lock up all those kids playing Call of Duty right away, right? It's for the greater good, after all./

I'm thinking..."Ban games like the World of Warcraft and limit sugar consumption now!!"

//

431 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:11:31am

re: #426 Gus

Uh oh. Here we go again...

Prosecutors: Killer Played World of Warcraft 7 Hours Per Day

So that means one killer out of how many WoW players?

432 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:12:49am

re: #426 Gus

Uh oh. Here we go again...

Prosecutors: Killer Played World of Warcraft 7 Hours Per Day

Symptom, not cause. But it fits the narrative.

433 iossarian  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:12:55am

re: #429 thedopefishlives

So if World of Warcraft is violent, that means we should just go out and lock up all those kids playing Call of Duty right away, right? It's for the greater good, after all./

For the protection of cute dayglo dinosaurs everywhere, we need to crack down on swarthy Italian-American plumbers and their youthful imitators forthwith!

434 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:13:23am

re: #433 iossarian

For the protection of cute dayglo dinosaurs everywhere, we need to crack down on swarthy Italian-American plumbers and their youthful imitators forthwith!

Pac-Man glorifies the drug culture. It must be banned.

435 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:13:41am

re: #431 One of the Seventeen

So that means one killer out of how many WoW players?

At last count, 10.2 million. That's a lot of violent killers.

436 iossarian  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:15:07am

YOU CAN'T BUILD SAFE SKYSCRAPERS BY DROPPING BLOCKS INTO PLACE, EVEN IF YOU DO ROTATE THEM TO FIT FIRST!

BAN THIS DANGEROUS COMMUNIST ANTI-CIVIL-ENGINEERING FILTH!

437 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:15:20am

re: #431 One of the Seventeen

So that means one killer out of how many WoW players?

Between 7-10 million active subscribers at its peak, currently at roughly 5 million. The number of active players is a bit lower (ie people who log in and play on at least a weekly basis) - probably still well over 2 million though.

438 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:15:56am

re: #437 RadicalModerate

Between 7-10 million active subscribers at its peak, currently at roughly 5 million. The number of active players is a bit lower (ie people who log in and play on at least a weekly basis) - probably still well over 2 million though.

Actually, the peak subscriber count was a tick over 12 million, and currently hovers at around 10 million. That is subscribed accounts; no telling how many of those are active players.

439 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:16:30am

re: #434 thedopefishlives

Pac-Man glorifies the drug culture. It must be banned.

Frogger sends endangered species onto highways of certain death. Ban it!

440 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:18:18am

re: #434 thedopefishlives

Pac-Man glorifies the drug culture. It must be banned.

Eats bath salts and then starts chasing around concerned passers-by trying to eat them!
/

441 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:18:36am

re: #435 thedopefishlives

re: #438 thedopefishlives

And yes, I play World of Warcraft. Tremble in fear, lowly insects, or I shall slay you all with my mighty +10 Hammer of Strength.

442 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:19:22am

re: #441 thedopefishlives

re: #438 thedopefishlives

And yes, I play World of Warcraft. Tremble in fear, lowly insects, or I shall slay you all with my mighty +10 Hammer of Strength.

"How can we kill that which has no life?"
;P

443 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:19:50am

Band Name: Tasty Faces

444 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:20:10am

re: #442 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

"How can we kill that which has no life?"
;P

Irony of ironies, I have never seen that South Park episode. However, the developers at Blizzard actually inserted a sword into the game that matched the Sword of a Thousand Truths. My character actually carried it for a while.

445 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:21:17am

Hmm. I want to get these reporters to view/play Dwarf Fortress. That should make their hairs curl.

446 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:22:52am

re: #444 thedopefishlives

To top it off, they named the item Slayer of the Lifeless and gave it a flavor text that read, "Foretold by Salzman."

447 iossarian  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:23:14am

re: #445 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Hmm. I want to get these reporters to view/play Dwarf Fortress. That should make their hairs curl.

Anders Breikvik is unhappy. He has not slept well lately. He likes whittling wood. He had a good meal last night. He does not have many friends.

448 erik_t  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:24:25am

re: #447 iossarian

Anders Breikvik is unhappy. He has not slept well lately. He likes whittling wood. He had a good meal last night. He does not have many friends.

If ever a man deserved to spend the rest of his life in a cloud of miasma...

449 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:26:36am

I just found a new Turkish kebab restaurant up the street. I am now eating a very tasty Yaprak Doner Kebab sammich.

450 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:27:48am

Whacko Malkin:

Investigative journalist/researcher Mandy Nagy, who blogs at the late Andrew Breitbart’s Internet media powerhouse Breitbart.com, dared to chronicle Kimberlin’s lucrative business and political ventures over the past two years. Kimberlin has a large hand in two well-funded outfits, Velvet Revolution and the Justice Through Music Project, that have received funding from the likes of George Soros’s Tides Foundation and left-wing activist/singer Barbra Streisand. The charitable groups have viciously attacked prominent conservative individuals and groups, including Breitbart, investigative journalist James O’Keefe, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Nagy has been hounded relentlessly online and falsely accused of wild criminal conspiracies by Kimberlin associates for blowing the whistle on his shady online network.

451 Mattand  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:28:26am

re: #426 Gus

Uh oh. Here we go again...

Prosecutors: Killer Played World of Warcraft 7 Hours Per Day

This guy killed how many people and this is the best evidence they can come up with?

452 Mattand  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:29:34am

re: #447 iossarian

Anders Breikvik is unhappy. He has not slept well lately. He likes whittling wood. He had a good meal last night. He does not have many friends.

Good.

453 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:29:57am

re: #450 Gus

GEORGE SOROS!!!1!11eleventy


We should seriously start a drinking game based on wingnut outrage. Although that would mean we'd probably all be passed out drunk within the first hour of waking up every day.

454 iossarian  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:30:28am

re: #450 Gus

Whacko Malkin:

Is Barbara Streisand now on an equal conservative-derangement level as Jane Fonda?

455 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:30:31am

re: #450 Gus

Since when does Tides belong to Soros?

456 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:30:38am

re: #450 Gus

"investigative journalist James O'Keefe" *falls out of his chair laughing* Is she serious?

457 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:30:41am

re: #453 thedopefishlives

GEORGE SOROS!!!1!11eleventy

We should seriously start a drinking game based on wingnut outrage. Although that would mean we'd probably all be passed out drunk within the first hour of waking up every day.

The recent addition of Barbra Streisand to that short list caught my eye. Barbra Streisand? L-O-L.

458 jaunte  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:31:08am

re: #450 Gus

Investigative journalist and sex yachtsman James O’Keefe.

459 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:31:13am

re: #454 iossarian

Is Barbara Streisand now on an equal conservative-derangement level as Jane Fonda?

Almost. She's always been a target of the US Chair Force.

460 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:31:28am

Heh.

Ron Paul fans attack Rand for endorsing Romney

Fans of the "Ron Paul Revolution" were not happy with his son Sen. Rand Paul after he endorsed Mitt Romney last night on Sean Hannity's Fox News Show.

Paul explained that although his "first choice was always my father," he insisted that he had a lot in common with Romney, who signaled to him that he was serious about a number of government reforms.

But the backlash on Sen. Paul's Facebook page was fierce as the vocal supporters of the Ron Paul Revolution, took to the comments section to denounce his son. As of this morning, over 2,000 comments were posted, a majority of them negative. Supporters blasted Rand Paul for "selling out" the legacy of his father to the "Republican establishment."

A few fans approved of Rand Paul's decision, but only 270 people "liked" his endorsement message.

Others even speculated that Rand Paul was threatened or bribed into supporting Romney, by the Bilderberg group, suggesting that it wasn't a coincidence that his endorsement came after their conference.

Other angry fans even started a "Ron Paul Supporters Who Don't Give A Sh*t Who Rand Endorses" Facebook page that now has 210 members.

Bilderberg!

461 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:31:44am

re: #438 thedopefishlives

Actually, the peak subscriber count was a tick over 12 million, and currently hovers at around 10 million. That is subscribed accounts; no telling how many of those are active players.

The 10 million number is a bit padded due to Blizzard/Activision going free-to-play for the first 20 levels, as well as people signing up for the 12-month commitment which included getting Diablo 3 for free. When August rolls around -when the 12 months subscription ends - I forsee a significant downtick. The new upcoming expansion is not garnering anywhere near the excitement that the prior ones did (mostly because Cataclysm simply was a huge step down from the prior releases).

462 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:33:11am

re: #461 RadicalModerate

The 10 million number is a bit padded due to Blizzard/Activision going free-to-play for the first 20 levels, as well as people signing up for the 12-month commitment which included getting Diablo 3 for free. When August rolls around -when the 12 months subscription ends - I forsee a significant downtick. The new upcoming expansion is not garnering anywhere near the excitement that the prior ones did (mostly because Cataclysm simply was a huge step down from the prior releases).

Eh, we shall see. For the moment, their blitz of promotionals for new and returning players seems to have stemmed the outgoing tide. Q1 of 2013 should be telling, I think.

463 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:33:35am

If you want to read the whole thing it's the first link here.

464 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:36:08am

re: #450 Gus

Whacko Malkin:

The wingnuts are seriously weakening their case by pounding the Soros-Tides stuff. Ignoring the funding it does seem that Kimberlin and associates are seriously fucked up and possibly dangerous people. The details are pretty sketchy, mostly because the wingnuts muddy the waters by focusing on the Soros connections, but I wouldn't stick my neck out for Kimberlin or anyone associated with him.

465 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:36:18am

re: #460 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

Ron Paul fans attack Rand for endorsing Romney

Bilderberg!

...

466 iossarian  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:36:34am

re: #460 NJDhockeyfan

Rand and Mitt have quite a bit in common (as they do with Dubya): entitled delinquents from dynastic families with considerably less ability and acumen than their progenitors.

467 Mattand  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:36:58am
Investigative journalist/researcher Mandy Nagy, who blogs at the late Andrew Breitbart’s Internet media powerhouse Breitbart.com collection of paranoid loons who wouldn't have a clue if it bit them in the ass.

FTFY.

468 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:39:37am

Did I miss the press conference where Mitt announced that all important endorsement from Aqua Buddha?

469 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:42:24am

re: #464 Killgore Trout

The wingnuts are seriously weakening their case by pounding the Soros-Tides stuff. Ignoring the funding it does seem that Kimberlin and associates are seriously fucked up and possibly dangerous people. The details are pretty sketchy, mostly because the wingnuts muddy the waters by focusing on the Soros connections, but I wouldn't stick my neck out for Kimberlin or anyone associated with him.

The enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend. If laws are being broken by Kimberlin, et al, then law enforcement should investigate the matter and charge any individuals involved in the breaking of laws. It should go without saying that I am against such acts. It's a rather absurd assumption to assume that one would think otherwise.

470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:42:45am

re: #453 thedopefishlives

GEORGE SOROS!!!1!11eleventy


We should seriously start a drinking game based on wingnut outrage. Although that would mean we'd probably all be passed out drunk within the first hour of waking up every day.

I got a "Drinking Cribbage" board as a birthday gift from my brother and niece. Playing a game of cribbage using the enclosed rules would be a nasty proposition.

471 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:50:10am

re: #469 Gus

It's a rather absurd assumption to assume that one would think otherwise.

Guilty of partisanship unless proven innocent.

472 Gus  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 9:50:51am

re: #471 Kronocide

Guilty of partisanship unless proven innocent.

You can't reason with these people. They are beyond hope.

474 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jun 8, 2012 10:44:33am

re: #456 thedopefishlives

"investigative journalist James O'Keefe" *falls out of his chair laughing* Is she serious?

Yeah that doosh never investigated anything. He MADE the story to his liking and then "reported" on it. If he were an investigative journalist he would be out there scouring the country trying to find people that actually DID do a voter fraud scam and report how they were able to do it so it can shed light on how it is done in the "wild". Problem is that finding someone who truly did voter fraud would be almost as illusive as him trying to report on BigFoot.


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