Sen. Sherrod Brown Shuts Down Dana Loesch: ‘Not From You I Don’t’

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Kudos to Sen. Sherrod Brown for giving CNN contributor/breitbart.com loon Dana Loesch exactly the amount of respect she deserved, when she popped up like a malevolent jack-in-the-box at the Netroots Nation conference.

The wingnut blogosphere won’t take this deadly insult lying down, of course. You can expect the crazies to start cranking out the phony persecution rhetoric any minute now. First out of the gate — Michelle Malkin’s fake news site twitchy.com: An Inconvenient Tweet? Al Gore Quickly Deletes His Retweet of Dana Loesch.

Al Gore may have gotten cold feet (or made a political calculation), but I’m not running for anything … and I’m not deleting my retweet:

…or my message of congratulations to Sen. Sherrod.

Dana Loesch isn’t going to be fair in her “reporting” — that’s absolutely proven at this point, many times over. She’s not a journalist, she’s a hyper-partisan hit woman. Her only purpose for being at conferences like Netroots is to find something/anything with which to smear and attack the President, the Democratic Party, and liberals in general, and anyone who doesn’t realize this, and behave accordingly, is being played for a fool.

Sen. Brown said, “I’m not going to be played for a fool.” Way to go, Senator.

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439 comments
1 Kragar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:19:53pm

Man, you can't even countdown to wingnut ragegasm because they're in one 24/7 nowadays.

2 researchok  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:23:07pm

Did Dana Loesch deserve the curt response she got? I don't know.

I do know she earned it.

3 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:24:33pm

I do not agree with Sherrod Brown politically, but I agree with him on this. Dana Loech has shown herself to be a vitriolic bomb-thrower, unworthy of being given the time of day.

Of course, Loech will learn nothing from this, instead choosing to wallow in insults and victimization.

4 Kragar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:33:55pm

Creflo Dollar: Atlanta Megachurch Pastor Arrested for Battery

Fayette County Sheriff's Deputies arrived at Dollar's Atlanta home around 1 a.m. Friday after they received a domestic violence call from the pastor's 15-year-old daughter, authorities said.

The fight over whether the daughter could attend a party turned physical, authorities said.

A witness told deputies Dollar, 50, grabbed his daughter by her throat and choked her, causing a scratch on her neck, ABC News' Atlanta affiliate WSB reported.

Dollar faces misdemeanor charges of simple battery and cruelty to children. He posted a $5,000 bond and was released Friday morning.

In a statement issued through his attorney to the Associated Press, Dollar said he would never physically harm his children.

5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:35:53pm

re: #4 Kragar

Do other countries have propserity gospel scammers or is it just us

6 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:37:07pm

I see that James "worst pimp ever" O'Keefe is tweeting from Netroots, and is claiming that he's posing for photos with people who threatened his life (namely NN12 attendees).

7 Kragar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:37:25pm

re: #5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Do other countries have propserity gospel scammers or is it just us

We've just got more, I think.

8 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:39:11pm

re: #5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Do other countries have propserity gospel scammers or is it just us

No, I think they're as old as the Bible. But the ones in the US are more visible to Americans.

9 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:40:05pm

re: #5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Do other countries have propserity gospel scammers or is it just us

There are no new heresies under the sun.

10 Kragar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:40:15pm

Frank says:

Children are naive -- they trust everyone. School is bad enough, but, if you put a child anywhere in the vicinity of a church, you're asking for trouble.

11 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:40:17pm

re: #7 Kragar

We've just got more, I think.

Ours seem to be doing well!

12 Mattand  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:43:32pm

re: #6 RadicalModerate

I see that James "worst pimp ever" O'Keefe is tweeting from Netroots, and is claiming that he's posing for photos with people who threatened his life (namely NN12 attendees).

Victimhood, thine name is the modern conservative.

13 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:46:03pm

Night Lizard. I came, I saw and I left. Probably for the best.

"If you think you are to drunk to post, you probably are."

That's a rule, isn't it?

Night

14 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:47:06pm

re: #6 RadicalModerate

I see that James "worst pimp ever" O'Keefe is tweeting from Netroots, and is claiming that he's posing for photos with people who threatened his life (namely NN12 attendees).

O'Keefe's either a massive dumbass or supremely full of shit; if he were really in close proximity to people he says wanted to kill him, his ass would have been curbstomped and laying in a bloody, crumpled heap in the hotel dumpster by now.

/must I?

15 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 6:58:42pm

re: #14 Gitarzan

O'Keefe's either a massive dumbass or supremely full of shit; if he were really in close proximity to people he says wanted to kill him, his ass would have been curbstomped and laying in a bloody, crumpled heap in the hotel dumpster by now.

/must I?

You're not really kidding. If he really has as many powerful enemies as he says he does, who hated him as much as he claims they do, then he would simply be dead by now. I don't want that to happen, but it is what would happen.

16 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:00:34pm

Corpse pissing aficionados deserve more respect.

17 erik_t  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:04:24pm

May Senator Brown be the first of many of his kind, and may Dana Loesch be the last of hers.

18 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:12:49pm

re: #4 Kragar

Creflo Dollar: Atlanta Megachurch Pastor Arrested for Battery

Surprise, surprise...very few megachurch pastors/televangelists end up staying the same people they were when they were small-time. Hell, here in Nashville, Bishop Joseph Walker and his wife were literally the public face of Mt. Zion Baptist Church (a megachurch with three campuses here in town), their likenesses plastered on billboards all over town for a long time. Then, the suits against Bishop Walker from parishioners alleging sexual misconduct started bubbling up; lo and behold, those billboards got changed real quick and lost the Walkers' smiling visages, in favor of something a bit more generic.

The whole deal with Trinity Broadcasting Network (which has facilities here around town that serves as Paul and Jan Crouch's eastern homebase), that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

Sex, money, and power's undone many a holy person over the centuries...

19 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:13:22pm

Wow, looks like the Celtics-Miami game 7 is actually going to be a real game.

20 erik_t  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:15:25pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Wow, looks like the Celtics-Miami game 7 is actually going to be a real game.

David Stern wouldn't allow the game to be officiated any other way.

/mutters

21 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:19:24pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Wow, looks like the Celtics-Miami game 7 is actually going to be a real game.

Just so the Heat never win a title till James has been retired for at least a season.

22 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:29:19pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

Corpse pissing aficionados deserve more respect.

How dare you disrespect the Drop Trou Queen Blogmistress.

23 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:32:34pm

Tied at the end of the third quarter. Yep, it's a real game.

24 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:33:17pm

re: #5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Do other countries have propserity gospel scammers or is it just us

Other countries have Scientology./

25 erik_t  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:34:14pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Tied at the end of the third quarter. Yep, it's a real game.

Thirty six minutes for Mr. James and not a single solitary foul.

This is my shocked face.

26 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:36:50pm

Any lizards with Twitter accounts, please retweet:

27 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:41:52pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Tied at the end of the third quarter. Yep, it's a real game.

Dying. Can't take it. Go Celts.

28 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:46:37pm

re: #25 erik_t

Thirty six minutes for Mr. James and not a single solitary foul.

This is my shocked face.

No assists either.

29 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 7:54:06pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Any lizards with Twitter accounts, please retweet:

[Embedded content]

What are those mutants up to this time?

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:01:21pm

re: #5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Do other countries have propserity gospel scammers or is it just us

There's a Facebook page to ban prosperity gospel preachers from UK TV, so I'm going to guess at the least the English-speaking world has it going on. Barth's Notes has something on them in Nigeria.

31 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:04:50pm

re: #29 Gus

Same old shit - harassing people who they see communicating with me, or with other LGF members. It's all they do, every day, for years.

See: stalking.

32 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:06:41pm

1:58 remaining. Can Boston come back?

Gonna take a couple of miracles.

33 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:08:04pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Same old shit - harassing people who they see communicating with me, or with other LGF members. It's all they do, every day, for years.

See: stalking.

Freaks. I think they wake up in the morning and go straight to stalking. The few that do work seems to do that and go back to stalking as soon as they get home from work. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these doughy pant load losers have had divorces or break ups over this by now. That's all they live for now. Stalking and reading everything we say and "reporting" on it. DoD has basically become an LGF gossip website for a bunch of old white dudes.

34 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:11:48pm

11 point lead with 39 seconds? Boston's not coming back from this.

35 b_sharp  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:12:03pm

If it takes stalking to fulfil their lives, they should be questioning the lives they have.

36 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:14:19pm

re: #4 Kragar

Creflo Dollar: Atlanta Megachurch Pastor Arrested for Battery

Thing is, a lot of parents (not just Christians and not just right wingers) believe there is a certain level of physicality a parent can take with a child that does not constitute abuse. So I'm sure in his mind this guy 100 percent believes that he never abused his daughter.

37 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:14:43pm

I sincerely hope Oklahoma DESTROYS Miami in the finals.

38 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:16:50pm

re: #37 dragonfire1981

I sincerely hope Oklahoma DESTROYS Miami in the finals.

You mean the stolen Supersonics ;-)

39 b_sharp  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:17:31pm

re: #37 dragonfire1981

I sincerely hope Oklahoma DESTROYS Miami in the finals.

It's just a game.

40 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:17:43pm

Posted without comment...

Was Obama's 57 states "gaffe" proof he was Muslim?

We learned the depths of infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood (Al Qaeda is actually a subset) into all aspects of American society – including cutting off any (even Fox) news that might expose their agenda.

He meticulously outlined the names of the perpetrators (dead and alive) and myriad universities, departments of government, and military agencies the MB has infiltrated. He flashed on the screen – The Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). It has 57 member states! Two of us asked, “Is that Obama’s 57 states that we thought was a gaffe in 2008?” Guandolo responded, “You said it, I didn’t” and went on.

We are all familiar with Obama’s sympathies toward, if not belief in, Islam and his confrontations with Christian doctrine and sensitivities. Was his “57 States” remark a signal that all was well in the world of Sharia where its 58th member isn’t too far from joining its brethren?

He also stated there is not one thing the MB infects societies with that does not comply with Sharia, including its American incursions. Military and government officials at all levels take a solemn oath to “protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Sharia and the Constitution cannot co-exist. Period!

41 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:18:19pm

re: #39 b_sharp

It's just a game.

Oh I'm not hoping for violence or anything, I just want the Heat to lose. :P

42 Interesting Times  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:18:24pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Would you happen to know a simple way to stop videos from autoplaying without resorting to full-fledged ad/script blocker? Preferably something that can work on multiple browsers.

(I'm just furious right now, because a website I opened merely to read a fricking article had an autoplaying video - visuals yes, but volume off, so I didn't even realize the stupid thing was playing. Come back to my computer a few hours later, and discover over 1 GB of data downloaded! And I'm on a capped bandwidth plan! ARRRGH.)

43 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:20:45pm

re: #42 Interesting Times

On a Mac I'd recommend ClickToFlash, which completely blocks Flash videos from loading until you click on them. You should try to find a similar app for Windows - I don't know of one off-hand.

44 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:22:40pm

re: #40 dragonfire1981

Another example of right wing "journalism". This from a site that calls itself "The Western Center for Journalism"? What freaking journalism? This isn't journalism; this is garbage. So many idiots these days calling themselves journalists. The word is so freely used these days. It's like a bunch of people who never made it past junior high school calling themselves scientists or the like. Oddly enough the subject of this post, Dana Loesch, falls into that same group of charlatans and frauds who freely call themselves "journalists."

45 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:24:36pm

re: #39 b_sharp

It's just a game.

A walking shadow.

46 b_sharp  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:26:48pm

re: #44 Gus

Another example of right wing "journalism". This from a site that calls itself "The Western Center for Journalism"? What freaking journalism? This isn't journalism; this is garbage. So many idiots these days calling themselves journalists. The word is so freely used these days. It's like a bunch of people who never made it past junior high school calling themselves scientists or the like. Oddly enough the subject of this post, Dana Loesch, falls into that same group of charlatan and frauds who freely call themselves "journalists."

One thing you can say about the right, they know how to spin.

47 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:28:11pm

re: #40 dragonfire1981

Posted without comment...

Was Obama's 57 states "gaffe" proof he was Muslim?

Way more likely he was thinking about ketchup.

48 b_sharp  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:29:54pm

re: #42 Interesting Times

Would you happen to know a simple way to stop videos from autoplaying without resorting to full-fledged ad/script blocker? Preferably something that can work on multiple browsers.

(I'm just furious right now, because a website I opened merely to read a fricking article had an autoplaying video - visuals yes, but volume off, so I didn't even realize the stupid thing was playing. Come back to my computer a few hours later, and discover over 1 GB of data downloaded! And I'm on a capped bandwidth plan! ARRRGH.)

If I ever went even a day without DLing as little as 1GB, my ISP would wonder what was wrong with me.

49 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:29:56pm

Bring out your climate change denier splodey heads!

New Wyoming supercomputer expected to boost atmospheric science
The National Center for Atmospheric Research's machine is one of the fastest computers ever built, its sheer speed designed to burst through the limits of chaos theory.

By Scott Gold, Los Angeles Times
June 10, 2012

CHEYENNE, Wyo. — Here in the shortgrass prairie, where being stuck in the ways of the Old West is a point of civic pride, scientists are building a machine that will, in effect, look into the future.

This month, on a barren Wyoming landscape dotted with gopher holes and hay bales, the federal government is assembling a supercomputer 10 years in the making, one of the fastest computers ever built and the largest ever devoted to the study of atmospheric science...

50 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:31:00pm

re: #49 Gus

Bring out your climate change denier splodey heads!

New Wyoming supercomputer expected to boost atmospheric science
The National Center for Atmospheric Research's machine is one of the fastest computers ever built, its sheer speed designed to burst through the limits of chaos theory.

Forgot the link. Oh. I'm pretty sure that Republicans are now going to try every other maneuver they can think of to defund this project.

51 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:31:12pm

re: #36 dragonfire1981

Thing is, a lot of parents (not just Christians and not just right wingers) believe there is a certain level of physicality a parent can take with a child that does not constitute abuse. So I'm sure in his mind this guy 100 percent believes that he never abused his daughter.

Another case of arresting the right guy for the wrong crime.

52 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:31:58pm

re: #44 Gus

Another example of right wing "journalism". This from a site that calls itself "The Western Center for Journalism"? What freaking journalism? This isn't journalism; this is garbage. So many idiots these days calling themselves journalists. The word is so freely used these days. It's like a bunch of people who never made it past junior high school calling themselves scientists or the like. Oddly enough the subject of this post, Dana Loesch, falls into that same group of charlatans and frauds who freely call themselves "journalists."

Initially all I saw was the URL someone sent me. Since "Western Center for Journalism" sounded like a site that could potentially be unbiased, I checked it out, however given the nature of the story I was pretty sure what I'd find.

53 b_sharp  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:32:18pm

re: #50 Gus

Forgot the link. Oh. I'm pretty sure that Republicans are now going to try every other maneuver they can think of to defund this project.

Either defund it or re-purpose it to a gaming server.

54 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:32:51pm

re: #52 dragonfire1981

Initially all I saw was the URL someone sent me. Since "Western Center for Journalism" sounded like a site that could potentially be unbiased, I checked it out, however given the nature of the story I was pretty sure what I'd find.

It's a Whirled Nut Daily/Joseph Farah project.

55 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:33:21pm

re: #53 b_sharp

Either defund it or re-purpose it to a gaming server.

Or the usual. MILITARY! The Chinese are going to invade!!11ty

56 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:34:41pm

re: #54 Gus

It's a Whirled Nut Daily/Joseph Farah project.

You what's kind of sad?

That it's only a few large entities/individuals who own large numbers of right wing news sites and blogs which are essentially clones of one another and with each new site they bring online they (presumably) make even more money off their enterprise.

I guess paranoia is one hell of a business model.

57 Interesting Times  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:34:46pm

re: #48 b_sharp

If I ever went even a day without DLing as little as 1GB, my ISP would wonder what was wrong with me.

I live in a rural area. My only option (other than dial-up or disgustingly slow & expensive satellite that cuts out all the time) is this:

[Link: www.beyondwireless.ca...]

Those malignant subhumans at the usf oracle site just used up nearly 25% of my monthly allotment! (damn it, if I'm going to lose 1 GB of data, at least it should be on a video I wanted to watch!)

58 b_sharp  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:35:44pm

re: #55 Gus

Or the usual. MILITARY! The Chinese are going to invade!!11ty

China has already invaded, with money. Only the powerless use bombs these days. Computer viruses and loans are the weapons of the future.

59 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:38:13pm

re: #58 b_sharp

China has already invaded, with money. Only the powerless use bombs these days. Computer viruses and loans are the weapons of the future.

I don't like to look at it that way. China hasn't invaded the USA. We fuck with them as much as they fuck with us. Only we won't report how we fuck with them since, well, that really wouldn't make logical sense. It's a symbiotic relationship and right now we need them just as much as they need us.

60 b_sharp  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:45:09pm

re: #59 Gus

I don't like to look at it that way. China hasn't invaded the USA. We fuck with them as much as they fuck with us. Only we won't report how we fuck with them since, well, that really wouldn't make logical sense. It's a symbiotic relationship and right now we need them just as much as they need us.

We need their poorly made cheap trinkets, they need our oil.

Image: _46743311_us_china_trade_466.gif

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:49:57pm

re: #40 dragonfire1981

Posted without comment...

Was Obama's 57 states "gaffe" proof he was Muslim?

Oh, yeah, they made that connection years ago.

62 b_sharp  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:51:20pm

I'm off to see the Avengers for the second time.

63 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:51:47pm

re: #60 b_sharp

We need their poorly made cheap trinkets, they need our oil.

Image: _46743311_us_china_trade_466.gif

Right. And some of those cheap trinkets are made for American companies. I know I want some of those cheap trinkets myself from time to time. Some of them come in the form of computer hardware and such. Now I know people are always looking for quick answers to things. That of course will never happen because we are in the position we are in today -- all of us around the world -- because of a process that took place not only over a period of 100s of years but thousands of years. Not everything is negative. Our relationship with China is better than it's ever been since the end of WWII.

64 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:55:40pm

WTF?

Just When You Thought It Couldn’t Get Crazier…

I opened the following email and at first I thought it was a prank or, as another reader put it, an article taken from The Onion. See what you think:

—–Original Message—–
From: Leonie Haimson
To: nyceducationnews ; paa news
Sent: Fri, Jun 8, 2012 10:08 am
Subject: [nyceducationnews] Gates Foundation: one more step into the dystopian future with electronic bracelets for students & teachers


Gates Foundation experimenting w/Galvanic Skin Response (GSR) bracelets in teacher eval project
See Susan Ohanian, excerpt below:
[Link: goo.gl...]

Look up “effective teaching” on Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation grants. Here’s one of the awards.

To: Clemson University
Purpose: to work with members of the Measuring Effective Teachers (MET) team to measure engagement physiologically with Galvanic Skin Response (GSR) bracelets which will determine the feasibility and utility of using such devices regularly in schools with students and teachers [emphasis added]
Amount: $498,055

Continues.

65 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:57:48pm

Oh dear. Looks at this garbage.

National Center on Time & Learning Inc.
Date: November 2011
Purpose: to measure engagement physiologically with Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging and Galvanic Skin Response to determine correlations between each measure and develop a scale that differentiates different degrees or levels of engagement
Amount: $621,265
Term: 1 year and 7 months
Topic: College-Ready Education
Region Served: Global, North America
Program: United States
Grantee Location: Boston, Massachusetts
Grantee Web site: [Link: www.timeandlearning.org...]

[Link: www.gatesfoundation.org...]

66 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:57:50pm

re: #64 Gus

WTF?

Just When You Thought It Couldn’t Get Crazier…

No problem--they'll run under Windows Vista.

67 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:00:17pm

We're screwed.

68 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:02:50pm

Another one.

Clemson University
Date: November 2011
Purpose: to work with members of the Measuring Effective Teachers (MET) team to measure engagement physiologically with Galvanic Skin Response (GSR) bracelets which will determine the feasibility and utility of using such devices regularly in schools with students and teachers
Amount: $498,055
Term: 1 year and 2 months
Topic: College-Ready Education
Region Served: Global, North America
Program: United States
Grantee Location: Clemson, South Carolina
Grantee Web site: [Link: www.clemson.edu...]

[Link: www.gatesfoundation.org...]

69 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:05:13pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

No problem--they'll run under Windows Vista.

Longhorn.

//

70 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:07:38pm

Perhaps we could put high resolution IR imagers, visual cameras with real time face recognition and pupil dilation monitoring, and sub-dermal brain wave monitors in each student's head, and then correlate in near-real time the students' learning with the galvanic responses, the results of which can be uploaded to the central funding computer on a daily basis to determine if that school can further qualify for the next day's funding?

Think of all the possibilities.

71 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:08:42pm

One thing you can say about Americans. They sure know how to throw money into the wind. For just about anything.

72 Interesting Times  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:09:40pm

re: #71 Gus

One thing you can say about Americans. They sure know how to throw money into the wind. For just about anything except the things we need most.

Fixed :/

73 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:09:42pm

Maybe I should write up a $500,000 proposal for the Gates Foundation?

74 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:11:58pm

re: #71 Gus

One things you can say about Americans. They sure know how to throw money into the wind. For just about anything.

Cautionary tale: in the 70's, a physical anthropologist was savaged by a US Senator for his grant to study the measurements of airline stewardesses. (Yes--70s, stewardesses.) It was all a great show of government waste.

Then the guy came up with the parameters for the crash-worthy jump seats.

75 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:12:57pm

Unbelievably pathetic article at PJ Media by Rick Moran, lavishing praise on Birther/climate denier Christopher Monckton:

[Link: lgf.bz...]

Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, is easily one of the most entertaining advocates for climate realism, as well as being one of the most knowledgeable. When he speaks, his clipped accent makes one think of a machine gun, spraying facts and figures at his audience with a mix of humor and matter-of-factness that not only elicits laughter, but makes his audience think. He has a special gift for simplifying complex information — boiling off the extraneous and unnecessary until he has reduced his subject matter to bite-sized nuggets that are easily digested. His logic is impeccable. His command of the subject, complete. It’s no wonder he makes mincemeat of warming advocates whenever any one of them makes the mistake of accepting his invitation to debate.

Monckton addressed a luncheon crowd on Tuesday at the 7th annual Climate Change Conference in Chicago sponsored by the Heartland Institute.

Monckton is controversial for many reasons, but perhaps most of all because, as he freely admits, he is no scientist. This has outraged global warming scientists who take a dim view of anyone challenging the priesthood of science who hasn’t been ordained at an institution of higher learning. No matter. Monckton plows ahead with wit and charm, offering a dizzying array of facts and proving his worthiness by his grasp of climate change research on both sides of the issue.

76 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:13:07pm

re: #73 freetoken

Maybe I should write up a $500,000 proposal for the Gates Foundation?

Astrology and the management of college bound high students.

//

77 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:13:47pm

re: #74 Decatur Deb

Cautionary tale: in the 70's, a physical anthropologist was savaged by a US Senator for his grant to study the measurements of airline stewardesses. (Yes--70s, stewardesses.) It was all a great show of government waste.

Then the guy came up with the parameters for the crash-worthy jump seats.

The Gate Foundation would of course put this under private waste. ;)

78 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:15:18pm

Where's my E-meter?

//

79 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:19:33pm

re: #72 Interesting Times

Fixed :/

There's more!

Louisiana lunacy: tens of millions to be spent on faith-based education

SCHOOLS run along faith guidelines have hit the jackpot big time following Louisiana’s decision to siphon tens of millions of tax dollars out public schools and into religious institutions where only creationism will be taught.

In what is described here as “the nation’s boldest experiment in privatizing public education”, the state will pay private industry, businesses owners and church pastors to educate children.

Starting this fall, thousands of poor and middle-class kids will get vouchers covering the full cost of tuition at more than 120 private schools across Louisiana, including small, Bible-based church schools.

Said Governor Bobby Jindal, a Republican who muscled the plan through the legislature this spring over fierce objections from Democrats and teachers unions...

80 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:20:39pm

Gee. No wonder the polling on Americans' belief in biblical creationism has remained unchanged in the past 30 years.

81 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:22:12pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

They've become a parody of the old traveling carnival scene, full of misdirection and miscreants for the sake of attracting small-town residents to pay a few bucks to be entertained. Only now, they do it online.

Art Bell and Vince McMahon are two icons of the updated version of the classic American carney huckster. 20 years ago, when we were first experimenting with the web and other internet applications, if you would have told me that a great deal of the "serious" content on the internet was shaped after the three-card Monty game of old by people wanting to be modern carney owners - I would have laughed. Pornography eating up most of the bandwidth - yes, I would have believed that. But many "news" sites being nothing more than confidence games? Now, that would have surprised me.

82 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:23:05pm

re: #80 Gus

And this from the same governor who yesterday vetoed a bill that would have made tax deductible donations to public schools.

83 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:24:15pm

re: #82 freetoken

And this from the same governor who yesterday vetoed a bill that would have made tax deductible donations to public schools.

Image: DownWithEducationCartoon.jpg

84 allegro  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:24:54pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Monckton is controversial for many reasons, but perhaps most of all because, as he freely admits, he is no scientist. This has outraged global warming scientists who take a dim view of anyone challenging the priesthood of science who hasn’t been ordained at an institution of higher learning. No matter. Monckton plows ahead with wit and charm...

To think I wasted all those years in school, the field, the lab, studying, researching according to the scientific method, writing theses and defending them in front of panels of those who had many years of experience and knowledge, writing and publishing in peer reviewed journals...

Fuck. All I needed was wit and charm? Now they tell me.

85 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:26:12pm

re: #84 allegro

To think I wasted all those years in school, the field, the lab, studying, researching according to the scientific method, writing theses and defending them in front of panels of those who had many years of experience and knowledge, writing and publishing in peer reviewed journals...

Fuck. All I needed was wit and charm? Now they tell me.

Yep. See. All you needed was a cowboy hat, crucifix, and an American flag shirt and you too can be an expert on anything.

//

86 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:27:20pm

Monckton is a confidence man. His biggest mark was Margaret Thatcher. He's had many lesser marks. He will continue to make money off the gullible, and the worshippers of the great God of Capitalism will applaud him for it.

87 allegro  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:29:31pm

re: #85 Gus

Yep. See. All you needed was a cowboy hat, crucifix, and an American flag shirt and you too can be an expert on anything.

//

Unfortunately I was lacking the most important equipment of all to these people. A penis. I doubt a flag shirt would have fooled them.

88 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:29:42pm

My kids are learning to play the card game Hana Futu from their Uncle Toshi.

89 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:35:13pm

re: #87 allegro

Unfortunately I was lacking the most important equipment of all to these people. A penis. I doubt a flag shirt would have fooled them.

The jury is still out as to whether "Lord" Monckton has a penis himself.

//

90 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:35:31pm

re: #88 prairiefire

I think you meant Hanafuda.

91 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:38:22pm

Ok, here is a bit of trivia that you'll never use:

Nintendo, yes, that Nintendo, was founded to make... playing (hanafuda) cards!

92 Gus  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:42:55pm

Whew. Got up to 94 today. Either we broke a record or matched a previous record. I still feel like my thermostat is on simmer.

93 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:45:40pm

re: #90 freetoken

I think you meant Hanafuda.

Yes, yes I did.

94 jaunte  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:50:48pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Unbelievably pathetic article at PJ Media by Rick Moran, lavishing praise on Birther/climate denier Christopher Monckton:

[Link: lgf.bz...]

"Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
...one of the most knowledgeable...
...his clipped accent
...a special gift...
...His logic is impeccable...
...His command of the subject, complete..."

What a complete suck up. Moran really wants the Middle Ages back.

95 darthstar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:55:03pm

Sherrod Brown rocks.

96 darthstar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:55:31pm

Now, on to what I came here to say and bitch about...

Okay, first the Red Sox fans killed Sweet Caroline with "so good, so good, so good!" and then there was another song recently with a triple chant-back, and tonight on the way home I heard "Salt! Salt! Salt!" during a live Jimmy Buffet concert. Is nothing sacred anymore? Next ball game I go to, I'm shouting "Red glare! Red glare! Red glare!" during the National Anthem.

97 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:57:19pm

Anagram.. Dana Loesch = Scandal Hoe

98 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:58:28pm

re: #97 Mich-again

Anagram.. Dana Loesch = Scandal Hoe

Almost good.

A hoe is a gardening implement.

99 darthstar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:59:07pm
100 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 9:59:36pm

re: #98 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Almost good.

A hoe is a gardening implement.

Used for cultivating..

101 Kragar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:00:11pm

re: #98 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Almost good.

A hoe is a gardening implement.

I prefer Nacho Deals, because who doesn't like Nachos?

102 jaunte  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:01:08pm

re: #99 darthstar

He must be food focused

103 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:01:28pm

re: #101 Kragar

I prefer Nacho Deals, because who doesn't like Nachos?

Um, me.

I like Fritos, though.

And pico de gallo, although The Princess eats it all as soon as I bring it in the house.

104 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:01:29pm

re: #96 darthstar

Is nothing sacred anymore? Next ball game I go to, I'm shouting "Red glare! Red glare! Red glare!" during the National Anthem.

Ahhhhh-Vay, Mah-Reeeeee-eeeah.. Yo Mom, Yo Mom, Yo Mom..

105 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:02:52pm

re: #97 Mich-again

Perhaps even better anagrams:

Nacho Deals

106 Kragar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:04:24pm

re: #105 freetoken

Perhaps even better anagrams:

Nacho Deals

See? Everyone likes nachos.

107 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:06:12pm

The Guardian copy editors/headline writers are at it again - creating intentionally misleading headlines to stir up controversy:

If dinosaurs weren't actually that big, what else don't scientists know?

Scientists are accused of distorting theory of human evolution by misdating bones

The reality of both stories don't warrant the excessive headlines.

The Guardian is just trying to fan flames for the sake of attention.

Truth is not a victim of lies - but a victim of the lust to make money.

108 darthstar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:06:49pm

re: #104 Mich-again

Ahhh-Vay, Mah-Reee-eeeah.. Yo Mom, Yo Mom, Yo Mom..

Ha! Well played...I'd thought about how to triple up on that song.

109 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:07:25pm

re: #105 freetoken

Perhaps even better anagrams:

Nacho Deals

Lead Cons Ha

110 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:08:00pm

re: #106 Kragar

See? Everyone likes nachos.

I prefer mine with a picante sauce.

111 darthstar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:08:53pm

re: #110 freetoken

I prefer mine with a picante sauce.

Jalapenos. Lots and lots of jalapenos.

112 Kragar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:09:04pm

re: #109 Mich-again

Lead Cons Ha

Deacon Lash

Sounds like the villain from a late night Cinemax movie.

113 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:09:06pm

re: #110 freetoken

I prefer mine with a picante sauce.

Zesty Nacho Deals..

114 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:10:16pm

re: #112 Kragar

Deacon Lash

Sounds like the villain from a late night Cinemax movie.

Isn't it pronounced "Skinemax"?

/

115 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:10:22pm

re: #111 darthstar

If we're going with jalapenos, then we need some cheese sauce too. Not that crap imitation cheez-spread, but real melted mixture of some sharp cheese with swiss cheese.

116 darthstar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:10:43pm

re: #112 Kragar

Deacon Lash

Sounds like the villain from a late night Cinemax movie.

Cinemax After Dark soft porn? I don't think they do S&M.

117 Kragar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:12:52pm

re: #116 darthstar

Cinemax After Dark soft porn? I don't think they do S&M.

Not the hardcore stuff, but they do the parody spoof stuff

118 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:14:07pm

re: #115 freetoken

If we're going with jalapenos, then we need some cheese sauce too. Not that crap imitation cheez-spread, but real melted mixture of some sharp cheese with swiss cheese.

So real cheese doesn't come in an aerosol can?

119 Kragar  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:15:34pm

re: #118 Mich-again

So real cheese doesn't come in an aerosol can?

No, thats cheez. Different spelling and everything.

120 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:16:30pm

re: #119 Kragar

No, thats cheez. Different spelling and everything.

To be really, really boring about this, if it's cheese, it's made the traditional cheese way, which means that milk has rennet added, the curds are cut and pressed, and it ages. If it's re-processed after that, it's cheeze.

121 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:19:42pm

re: #120 Mostly sane, most of the time.

To be really, really boring about this, if it's cheese, it's made the traditional cheese way, which means that milk has rennet added, the curds are cut and pressed, and it ages. If it's re-processed after that, it's cheeze.

My family introduced American Pasturized Cheese Food Product in pressurized cans (Spray Cheeze) to an Italian village. We're going to Parmagian Hell for that.

122 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:20:36pm

CNN reporter Nacho Deals..

Bringing you the news topped with processed cheese, ground beef, sour cream, and hot peppers.

123 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:20:45pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

My family introduced American Pasturized Cheese Food Product in pressurized cans (Spray Cheeze) to an Italian village. We're going to Parmagian Hell for that.

Wait--they didn't ride you out of town on a rail for it?

124 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:21:56pm

re: #123 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Wait--they didn't ride you out of town on a rail for it?

No, alas, they loved it. Just like the Mohawks sold out for iron kettles and hatchets.

125 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:22:12pm

Cheese in a can, my God. Next they'll be talking pineapple on pizza!

//

126 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:23:41pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

Cheese in a can, my God. Next they'll be talking pineapple on pizza!

//

Northern Italy, not far from the old Austrian border--they already had ham and pineapple pizze. They blame the Germans.

127 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:24:29pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Northern Italy, not far from the old Austrian border--they already had ham and pineapple pizze. They blame the Germans.

You know who else liked ham on his pizza?!

//

128 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:24:57pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

You know who else liked ham on his pizza?!

//

Not Brookly.

129 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:25:55pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

My family introduced American Pasturized Cheese Food Product in pressurized cans (Spray Cheeze) to an Italian village. We're going to Parmagian Hell for that.

On a distantly related note, a friend of mine helped design the machinery at a distillery in Temperance MI (ha) that makes the awesome 70-proof flavored whipped cream you are starting to see now at the stores. I knew about it a couple years ago but promised not to talk about it till it hit the market..

130 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:26:33pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

You know who else liked ham on his pizza?!

//

No, I do. Love it on there, along with pepperoni, sausage, and that stuff they insist on calling "Canadian bacon."

131 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:26:56pm

re: #129 Mich-again

On a distantly related note, a friend of mine helped design the machinery at a distillery in Temperance MI (ha) that makes the awesome 70-proof flavored whipped cream you are starting to see now at the stores. I knew about it a couple years ago but promised not to talk about it till it hit the market..

70 proof, like booze? Mmmm, Irish coffee.

132 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:33:05pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

This stuff.. and yeah, great for Irish Coffee.

133 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:34:01pm

re: #132 Mich-again

This stuff.. and yeah, great for Irish Coffee.

That stuff will be the ruin of many a Baptist pot-luck.

134 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:38:03pm

re: #133 Decatur Deb

That stuff will be the ruin of many a Baptist pot-luck.

Old wisdom.. Always bring more than one Baptist fishing with you. If you only bring only one, he'll drink all your beer.

135 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:42:06pm

re: #134 Mich-again

Old wisdom.. Always bring more than one Baptist fishing with you. If you only bring only one, he'll drink all your beer.

Used to smuggle 6-packs across the Ohio to a buddy's FIL. He'd almost be crying when we slipped it to him in the barn. (Wife was a strange hard-shell kind of Methodist, though--not Baptist.)

136 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 10:54:01pm

'Nite, all.

137 dragonath  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 11:07:00pm

Wow, boxing fans are going nuts tonight. Pacquiao loses in a dubious split-decision.

138 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 11:13:13pm

Hi Lizards! This is great..Heat vs. Thunder for the World Championship.
I'm jacked to be here to experience it first hand..
I love this time of year! So a note..
I can't stand Jeff Van Gundy as a color man.. I thought I'd probably put together a 10 ten list of why I dislike him..
10. I hate his voice..I'm sorry..I just do.. He is like Howard Cossell times a hundred.
9. He Knows to much..In fact he'll tell you as much.. You know the smart ass kid that knew everything in class? Be the first to raise his hand? That's Jeff..
8. He Says stupid shit and they pay him for that..
( Why are people still upset with LeBron? It's been 2 years)
I need not say a effening word dumbass.
7. He can't lead men..
If you are going to be a little basketball genius coach you need to have respect of your players...The funniest moment in Basketball history was a fight when Jeff coached the Knicks.. He was holding onto a players leg while was was being pulled along trying to stop him.. Funny as hell.
A coach that was a leader would have stuck his finger out and told 7' Patrick to sit his ass on the bench.. NOW M*THER F*CKER!
That is what a coach and leader does.. He demands respect
6. He over does his color and insight..He'll go on and on about every little detail about everything going on every play..
Look Jeff..The Guard came down court and passed the ball to the open man and he made the shot.. Shut the F*ck up sometimes..

Can't you wait till I go top 5 on Jeff? :)

139 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 11:26:23pm

Record rainfall in LA (Lower Alabama) 15 inches in a 24 hour period.. Yow.

UPDATE 1-Rains batter parts of Alabama and Florida in Gulf Coast storm

The grandparents had a Pecan tree farm in Foley and the family of 9 went there every year for a couple weeks in the Summer when school got out. And we sat around that place through some crazy storms but nothing like 15" of rain in a day.

Extreme weather like this is getting more common making climate denial a harder story to sell. Farmers in LA are smarter than that..

140 freetoken  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 11:32:22pm

An old war horse... but it seems to fit the thread topic:

MP3 Audio
141 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 9, 2012 11:42:41pm

re: #138 Digital Display

For you!

Youtube Video
142 Kragar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:00:20am

And now for something completely different...

Youtube Video
143 dragonath  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:19:59am
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144 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:26:15am

TuPoke

145 Kragar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:51:59am

Crystal Cathedral gets a new name: Christ Cathedral

Pathetic.

146 freetoken  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:54:16am

re: #145 Kragar

Too bad the RC's took it over, and not some Methodists.

Imagine the name: First Crystal Methodists Church.

147 freetoken  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:54:41am
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148 Kragar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:17:06am

'Depraved' sex acts by penguins shocked polar explorer

Accounts of unusual sexual activities among penguins, observed a century ago by a member of Captain Scott's polar team, are finally being made public.

Details, including "sexual coercion", recorded by Dr George Murray Levick were considered so shocking that they were removed from official accounts.

However, scientists now understand the biological reasons behind the acts that Dr Levick considered "depraved".

The Natural History Museum has published his unedited papers.

Dr Levick, an avid biologist, was the medical officer on Captain Scott's ill-fated Terra Nova expedition to the South Pole in 1910. He was a pioneer in the study of penguins and was the first person to stay for an entire breeding season with a colony on Cape Adare.

He recorded many details of the lives of adelie penguins, but some of their activities were just too much for the Edwardian sensibilities of the good doctor.

He was shocked by what he described as the "depraved" sexual acts of "hooligan" males who were mating with dead females. So distressed was he that he recorded the "perverted" activities in Greek in his notebook.

149 researchok  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:22:26am

Morning, all

150 researchok  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:24:45am

re: #147 freetoken

Perfect

151 researchok  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:29:33am

re: #140 freetoken

Another iconic piece.

It really helps to define a time.

TY

152 freetoken  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:20:05am
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153 Kruk  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:54:46am

re: #148 Kragar

'Depraved' sex acts by penguins shocked polar explorer

"He was shocked by what he described as the "depraved" sexual acts of "hooligan" males who were mating with dead females. So distressed was he that he recorded the "perverted" activities in Greek in his notebook".

Someone should have told the good Doctor that's not quite what "Greek" means to the young folk...

154 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:05:36am

re: #148 Kragar

'Depraved' sex acts by penguins shocked polar explorer

Geeze, that's as bad as Duck Rape.

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:22:15am

re: #148 Kragar

'Depraved' sex acts by penguins shocked polar explorer

But it's natural, so it must be good!!!1///

Speaking of nature, I found this documentary through Panda's Thumb:

www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1D529113FD751FD7&feature=plcp

They dissect giant animals (elephants, giraffes, etc.), while talking about their evolution (there are comments by Dawkins, for example). Very interesting stuff, if you can stand a bit of explicit anatomy.

156 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:33:38am

In other obscure news, my friend Dr. Natalya Lebedeva seems to have found the traces of the so called Belarusian Katyn list among the convoy lists in RGVA.

157 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:37:33am

re: #156 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

In other obscure news, my friend Dr. Natalya Lebedeva seems to have found the traces of the so called Belarusian Katyn list among the convoy lists in RGVA.

May I ask for some background? Though I am aware it'll be ugly, since I know what Katyn refers to.

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:37:59am

re: #156 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

All in time to slap Lukashenko around the face:

[Link: www.easternpartnership.org...]

Minsk rejects claims over Belarusian ‘Katyn list’

A ‘Belarusian Katyn list’ does not exist, and it could not exist, because Belarus was used only as a transit country through which Polish officers were transported to places of execution in Russia and Ukraine – Vladimir Adamushko, director of the Department of Archives at the Belarusian Ministry of Justice said on 22 May. He added that such lists were compiled only in those places where executions were actually carried out, which would explain the existence of Russian and Ukrainian lists. Adamushko stressed that Polish experts should be aware of this because archivists from both countries had previously exchanged information on this topic.
2012.05.22, Interfax, PAP, [Link: www.naviny.by...]

Which has always been bullshit anyway since we have documents by Beria and Kaganovich regarding transports of Polish prisoners from Western areas to Minsk.

159 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:41:45am

re: #158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

All in time to slap Lukashenko around the face:

[Link: www.easternpartnership.org...]

Which has always been bullshit anyway since we have documents by Beria and Kaganovich regarding transports of Polish prisoners from Western areas to Minsk.

What is Lukashenko afraid of? Katyn was done on Stalin's orders before he was born. Is it just that he doesn't want Poland to go digging around any potential mass graves (as the Poles would justly insist on doing)?

160 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:43:20am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Katyn was just one execution place in the spring of 1940. The only place found by the Germans, which is why it gave the name to the whole crime complex. Around ~4300 people were buried there. But the whole operation involved murder of more than 21,000 former Polish citizens [Polish by citizenship, not necessarily ethnicity; there were Jews, Ukrainians, Belorussians and others among them]. This included not only POWs concentrated in three camps, but also more than 7000 "normal" prisoners, who were shot at the same time as POWs. Around half of these prisoners were shot in Ukraine, around half in Belorussia. We have a list of those shot in Ukraine, but not the list of those shot in Belorussia, which is why finding a list of names of the latter group is such an important task (for the purposes of memorialization, etc.). Now Lebedeva unearthed some names in the convoy documents. This is not in the news yet.

161 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:47:31am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

What is Lukashenko afraid of? Katyn was done on Stalin's orders before he was born. Is it just that he doesn't want Poland to go digging around any potential mass graves (as the Poles would justly insist on doing)?

Yes. Something like that. It would seem that the Polish victims would be buried in Kuropaty, the execution/burial area near Minsk since 1930s. There hasn't been direct evidence of this, even though there have been excavations since 1980s (a lot of controversies around this area, which is a separate topic in itself). Some Polish items were found, but not necessarily from the 1940 victims. Kuropaty is a bit of a sore in Lukashenko's eye, and tying it to Katyn is all the more uncomfortable for him. Yet at this time it remains the only plausible place where the bodies could be buried. It cannot be excluded that there was a separate burial area, but why would NKVD bother?

162 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:53:52am

re: #160 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

Katyn was just one execution place in the spring of 1940. The only place found by the Germans, which is why it gave the name to the whole crime complex. Around ~4300 people were buried there. But the whole operation involved murder of more than 21,000 former Polish citizens [Polish by citizenship, not necessarily ethnicity; there were Jews, Ukrainians, Belorussians and others among them]. This included not only POWs concentrated in three camps, but also more than 7000 "normal" prisoners, who were shot at the same time as POWs. Around half of these prisoners were shot in Ukraine, around half in Belorussia. We have a list of those shot in Ukraine, but not the list of those shot in Belorussia, which is why finding a list of names of the latter group is such an important task (for the purposes of memorialization, etc.). Now Lebedeva unearthed some names in the convoy documents. This is not in the news yet.

It may not made the national news at all, though Chicago's newspapers will cover it, since it still has relevance for a great many Polish families in the Chicago area.

163 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:55:55am

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

It may not made the national news at all, though Chicago's newspapers will cover it, since it still has relevance for a great many Polish families in the Chicago area.

It's not in any news yet, I think, not even in Poland. She has an interview with a Polish journalist scheduled.

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:57:05am

bbl

165 kirkspencer  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:02:06am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

That stuff will be the ruin of many a Baptist pot-luck.

No, the ruin of many a Baptist pot-luck is the preacher's trifle (aka the tipsy parson aka a tipsy trifle).

Summary instead of recipe. A trifle is chunks of cake mixed with custard. Sometimes the cake is soaked in a liquid. Sometimes pieces of stuff (fruit, candies, etc) are added. fwiw, a tiramisu is a type of trifle.

For the preacher's trifle, the soaking liquid is whiskey or bourbon. Theoretically you only use an ounce. Some baptist cook's shot-glasses can hold up to an entire bottle.

166 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:18:58am

re: #165 kirkspencer

No, the ruin of many a Baptist pot-luck is the preacher's trifle (aka the tipsy parson aka a tipsy trifle).

Summary instead of recipe. A trifle is chunks of cake mixed with custard. Sometimes the cake is soaked in a liquid. Sometimes pieces of stuff (fruit, candies, etc) are added. fwiw, a tiramisu is a type of trifle.

For the preacher's trifle, the soaking liquid is whiskey or bourbon. Theoretically you only use an ounce. Some baptist cook's shot-glasses can hold up to an entire bottle.

Heh. My MIL dumped her windowsill batch of brandied fruit when wife told her it really was fermenting to hooch.

167 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:21:47am

re: #165 kirkspencer

No, the ruin of many a Baptist pot-luck is the preacher's trifle (aka the tipsy parson aka a tipsy trifle).

Summary instead of recipe. A trifle is chunks of cake mixed with custard. Sometimes the cake is soaked in a liquid. Sometimes pieces of stuff (fruit, candies, etc) are added. fwiw, a tiramisu is a type of trifle.

For the preacher's trifle, the soaking liquid is whiskey or bourbon. Theoretically you only use an ounce. Some baptist cook's shot-glasses can hold up to an entire bottle.

Not in my mother's family, though their gatherings weren't 'dry'. But goofing up a recipe like that to get drunk would have gone over badly, as her family prized culinary skill quite highly. That last is also a large part why my mother is such a good cook.

168 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:27:35am

Mah brain! Mah brain! My mistake for reading through #uppers this morning. I'd like to say here and now that Chris Hayes is a freaking idiot. Thank you and good morning.

169 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:31:52am

re: #168 Gus

Mah brain! Mah brain! My mistake for reading through #uppers this morning. I'd like to say here and now that Chris Hayes is a freaking idiot. Thank you and good morning.

170 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:36:04am

Good morning Lizards - I hope everyone is enjoying the weekend.

Cup of tea time here in Philly while the Feline Overlord starts his mid-morning nap.

171 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:36:10am

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

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In my mind a control freak is a control freak by any other word. Most of us outside of the usual ideological ghettos understand this. When I speak to people "on the street" most understand that both sides of the political aisle have their own control issues. This is due to a tendency for people not have the ability to mind their own business.

172 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:41:18am

re: #171 Gus

In my mind a control freak is a control freak by any other word. Most of us outside of the usual ideological ghettos understand this. When I speak to people "on the street" most understand that both sides of the political aisle have their own control issues. This is due to a tendency for people not have the ability to mind their own business.

Would you please stop describing me?

/partial sarc, since I can be a control freak and I do have difficulty minding my own business.

173 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:46:32am

Poor old Chris...

174 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:47:35am

Hey Randall, come out and play!

175 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:48:48am

re: #173 Gus

Poor old Chris...

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Is Hayes a liberal or a conservative? I don't watch MSNBC?

176 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:49:11am

Maybe I'm weird but I think that those on the left or people that call themselves Democrats would employ an "11th Commandment" in an election year. Of course that would require a form of principle or, shudder, loyalty!

177 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:50:48am

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

Is Hayes a liberal or a conservative? I don't watch MSNBC?

Not liberal. Comes off more like approaching the mainstream far-left. Some would call him "professional left."

178 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:53:22am

re: #176 Gus

Maybe I'm weird but I think that those on the left or people that call themselves Democrats would employ an "11th Commandment" in an election year. Of course that would require a form of principle or, shudder, loyalty!

That's funny coming from you. How many times have you wanted Mitt Romney to denounce something said by a fellow Republican?

When it comes to "Those shalt not speak ill of a fellow party member.", the Magical Balance Fairy controls. One cannot insist one party follow it and the other party disregard it. (Unless you're just a partisan hack, but I already know Gus isn't one of those.)

179 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:53:54am

Hey all!

Their husbands, friends, famlly, fellow Lizards . . . .

How is everyone?

180 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:55:07am

re: #177 Gus

Not liberal. Comes off more like approaching the mainstream far-left. Some would call him "professional left."

So he'd say, like Howard Dean, that he's "from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party!"? Minus the primal scream, of course.

181 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:56:35am

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Heh. My MIL dumped her windowsill batch of brandied fruit when wife told her it really was fermenting to hooch.

brandied fruit --ahahahaha!

my girlfriend's mother in HS called it "recipe".

182 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:57:08am

True Capitalists Are Pro-Market, Not Pro-Business

By Stephen L. Carter

Since the failure of the effort to recall Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, a curious meme has been slithering through the commentariat: Public-employee unions are down and out.

They aren’t, of course. They remain as formidable as ever, and will spend the current election cycle doing what they do, spending tens of millions of dollars to elect candidates who favor their interests. We might be better off if the unions had less political clout -- as long as the pro-business groups that get up to the same mischief were less powerful, too.

Or so argues Luigi Zingales, a regular contributor to Bloomberg View and a professor at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, whose new book, “A Capitalism for the People: Recapturing the Lost Genius of American Prosperity,” was recently excerpted in Bloomberg View.

Despite the charmingly misleading title, the volume is not a paean to forced equalization of income or the strict regulation of industry. Quite the contrary. Zingales, who seems to be something of a moderate libertarian, wants to rescue markets and competition from the forces that threaten them: overregulation on the left and, on the right, a pro-business (as opposed to pro-market) ideology.

183 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:59:37am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

That's funny coming from you. How many times have you wanted Mitt Romney to denounce something said by a fellow Republican?

When it comes to "Those shalt not speak ill of a fellow party member.", the Magical Balance Fairy controls. One cannot insist one party follow it and the other party disregard it. (Unless you're just a partisan hack, but I already know Gus isn't one of those.)

I've always been big on loyalty. Throwing in Romney into this complicates matters of course. I'm looking at it from within my side of the aisle. Does that make me understand Romney's responses more? I suppose it should. But all of this kvetching about Obama from those on the left is annoying to no end.

184 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:01:07am

It's not really just loyalty though. Some of this stuff they're complaining about I happen to agree with or at least see it as part of the bigger picture.

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:01:53am

'Depraved' sex acts by penguins shocked polar explorer

"I just happened to be going through the file on George Murray Levick when I shifted some papers and found underneath them this extraordinary paper which was headed 'the sexual habits of the adelie penguin, not for publication' in large black type.

"It's just full of accounts of sexual coercion, sexual and physical abuse of chicks, non-procreative sex, and finishes with an account of what he considers homosexual behaviour, and it was fascinating."

The report and Dr Levick's handwritten notes are now on display at the Natural History Museum for the first time. Mr Russell believes they show a man who struggled to understand penguins as they really are.

"He's just completely shocked. He, to a certain extent, falls into the same trap as an awful lot of people in seeing penguins as bipedal birds and seeing them as little people. They're not. They are birds and should be interpreted as such."

186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:05:43am

re: #183 Gus

I've always been big on loyalty. Throwing in Romney into this complicates matters of course. I'm looking at it from within my side of the aisle. Does that make me understand Romney's responses more? I suppose it should. But all of this kvetching about Obama from those on the left is annoying to no end.

I think blind loyalty is a path to extremism and stupid behavior. If you know someone has your back regardless of what you do it makes risky and stupid behavior more likely to occur.

And to be on the receiving end of that expectation is bad as well. You get caught up in a situation where someone expects you to be on their side by default. Any attempt by you to be rational, logical, fair, or even neutral about the dispute is then viewed as a betrayal, and things get ugly from there.

187 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:09:17am

re: #176 Gus

Maybe I'm weird but I think that those on the left or people that call themselves Democrats would employ an "11th Commandment" in an election year. Of course that would require a form of principle or, shudder, loyalty!

Can't be done. I'm a lefty, which only translates to Democrat in the right place and time. Many of the current old-school Alabama Democrats are far more benighted than New England Republicans.

PS: Bite my ass, Artur Davis.

188 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:09:40am

re: #186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I think blind loyalty is a path to extremism and stupid behavior. If you know someone has your back regardless of what you do it makes risky and stupid behavior more likely to occur.

And to be on the receiving end of that expectation is bad as well. You get caught up in a situation where someone expects you to be on their side by default. Any attempt by you to be rational, logical, fair, or even neutral about the dispute is then viewed as a betrayal, and things get ugly from there.

Yes. But I didn't say blind loyalty. Assuming that when one says "loyalty" amounts to "blind loyalty" is a biased assumption.

189 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:10:10am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Can't be done. I'm a lefty, which only translates to Democrat in the right place and time. Many of the current old-school Alabama Democrats are far more benighted than New England Republicans.

PS: Bite my ass, Artur Davis.

Oh I realize that. Remember. I'm not a control freak either.

190 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:10:40am

re: #184 Gus

It's not really just loyalty though. Some of this stuff they're complaining about I happen to agree with or at least see it as part of the bigger picture.

Some people focus only on their pet issues to the exclusion of all others. They tend to be troublesome, but are people a modern party needs, since their motivation makes them 'likely voters', important in both polls and actual voting.

191 dragonath  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:12:17am

re: #143 Be Zorch, Daddio

Crystal Cathedral gets a new name: Christ Cathedral

I wonder if the winning submission gets a prize for originality...?

192 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:12:24am

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

Some people focus only on their pet issues to the exclusion of all others. They tend to be troublesome, but are people a modern party needs, since their motivation makes them 'likely voters', important in both polls and actual voting.

Yep. In that sense both the Democrats and Republicans do the same thing. That is, "they might be crazy but they're OUR crazies."

193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:13:10am

re: #188 Gus

Yes. But I didn't say blind loyalty. Assuming that when one says "loyalty" amounts to "blind loyalty" is a biased assumption.

I put "blind" in front as a qualification in order to avoid the rest of my comment making that assumption.

So once we're into qualified loyalty the question is to what degree the group you're being loyal to gets the benefit of the doubt, and what sort of actions would make you not follow the group lead, leave the group, or otherwise not act as a loyal follower?

194 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:13:47am

re: #191 Be Zorch, Daddio

I wonder if the winning submission gets a prize for originality...?

It was submitted by an old San Diego Catholic: "Christ!! We paid 42 million for that!!"

195 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:15:19am

re: #192 Gus

Yep. In that sense both the Democrats and Republicans do the same thing. That is, "they might be crazy but they're OUR crazies."

Like loyal lovers of old prop-driven warplanes...
;)

196 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:15:40am

re: #193 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I put "blind" in front as a qualification in order to avoid the rest of my comment making that assumption.

So once we're into qualified loyalty the question is to what degree the group you're being loyal to gets the benefit of the doubt, and what sort of actions would make you not follow the group lead, leave the group, or otherwise not act as a loyal follower?

Right. Well, while people try to figure out what loyalty is they'll sit there and let their friend get the crap beat out of them.

//

197 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:18:02am

re: #196 Gus

Right. Well, while people try to figure out what loyalty is they'll sit theere and let their friend get the crap beat out of them.

//

I got into that argument as a theoretical discussion with my fraternity brothers more than once. My viewpoint that I was not going to jump into a fight that a brother got himself into due to being an asshole did not go over well.

198 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:20:03am

re: #197 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I got into that argument as a theoretical discussion with my fraternity brothers more than once. My viewpoint that I was not going to jump into a fight that a brother got himself into due to being an asshole did not go over well.

Well. I see it as the other way around. Now we have to define "fight." But I'm not going to be some douche bag that would let his brother get killed even if he was wrong. That's just the way it is.

199 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:22:46am

re: #195 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Like loyal lovers of old prop-driven warplanes...
;)

Now, that there crosses party lines. People disagree on taxes and regulations, but you'll be hard pressed to find the person who thinks a Spitfire looks ugly.

200 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:22:57am

re: #198 Gus

Well. I see it as the other way around. Now we have to define "fight." But I'm not going to be some douche bag that would let his brother get killed even if he was wrong. That's just the way it is.

True, it would probably be a matter of degree. Simple fisticuffs, probably not. If it escalated beyond that (or much beyond 1-on-1) the equation would probably change.

But it would not be a hard and fast "I will back him regardless of circumstances" rule.

201 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:23:55am

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

Now, that there crosses party lines. People disagree on taxes and regulations, but you'll be hard pressed to find the person who thinks a Spitfire looks ugly.

Probably the same people who refuse to watch black-and-white films because they're "old".
:p

202 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:29:22am

re: #201 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Probably the same people who refuse to watch black-and-white films because they're "old".
:p

Those people tend not to like me, something I take pride in.

203 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:31:06am

re: #200 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

True, it would probably be a matter of degree. Simple fisticuffs, probably not. If it escalated beyond that (or much beyond 1-on-1) the equation would probably change.

But it would not be a hard and fast "I will back him regardless of circumstances" rule.

Well. Like they say. Never get into a street fight with Socrates.

//

204 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:34:21am

re: #203 Gus

Well. Like they say. Never get into a street fight with Socrates.

//

Youtube Video

How about playing football with him?

205 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:34:30am

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

Now, that there crosses party lines. People disagree on taxes and regulations, but you'll be hard pressed to find the person who thinks a Spitfire looks ugly.

Actually. You will find some weirdos that will yammer on about the Spitfire being an instrument of war and yada, yada, yada.

206 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:35:44am

re: #204 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

[Embedded content] How about playing football with him?

Exactly.

207 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:36:01am

Now Hitchens would have been great to have on your side.

208 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:38:31am

Mark Steyn starts off talking about the Jubilee and then veers off into an incoherent rant about Obama:
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Wingnut tears.

209 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:40:28am

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

'likely voters',

When pollsters go out (or call) I always wondered what in their minds determined a "likely voter"

"Well Jim,, the person we questioned agrees with our position AND as far as we can tell they were breathing ,, so ,,,,"

210 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:43:15am

re: #208 Millicent Islam

Mark Steyn starts off talking about the Jubilee and then veers off into an incoherent rant about Obama:
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Wingnut tears.

Oh jeez. Most all presidents have danced with celebrities. Heck, Reagan was a celebrity and surrounded himself with celebrities much like Obama. Perhaps Steyn doesn't understand but this obsession with celebrity isn't the monopoly of the White House but an American way of life.

211 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:44:43am

Since I'm watching Python clips this morning - is your Feline Overlord in a rut?

Youtube Video
212 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:47:02am

re: #210 Gus

Oh jeez. Most all presidents have danced with celebrities. Heck, Reagan was a celebrity and surrounded himself with celebrities much like Obama. Perhaps Steyn doesn't understand but this obsession with celebrity isn't the monopoly of the White House but an American way of life.

Great pic!
How's it going, Gus? Not much new here-- Jimmah is painting our hallway.

213 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:48:06am

re: #212 Millicent Islam

Great pic!
How's it going, Gus? Not much new here-- Jimmah is painting our hallway.

Getting ready to get ready to go food shopping. Not much else going on. Nice cool morning after yesterday's 94 freaking degrees. Damn weather. ;)

214 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:49:17am

re: #205 Gus

Actually. You will find some weirdos that will yammer on about the Spitfire being an instrument of war and yada, yada, yada.

Yes, but I don't respect those people. Oh, they have the right to their views, but I see them as fools and do not engage them. If you won't fight, you'll be either protected, conquered or killed by other people who will.

215 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:50:17am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but I don't respect those people. Oh, they have the right to their views, but I see them as fools and do not engage them. If you won't fight, you'll be either protected, conquered or killed by other people who will.

If you want to stump them just bring up the Civil War.

216 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:50:22am

re: #213 Gus

Getting ready to get ready to go food shopping. Not much else going on. Nice cool morning after yesterday's 94 freaking degrees. Damn weather. ;)

I got caught in a massive rainstorm yesterday on my way back from the butcher's. Got Jimmah some haggis. :)

217 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:50:55am

re: #216 Millicent Islam

I got caught in a massive rainstorm yesterday on my way back from the butcher's. Got Jimmah some haggis. :)

Do you eat that stuff?

218 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:51:32am

re: #217 Gus

Do you eat that stuff?

She gave Jimmah the option

Eat your haggis or paint the hallway!

219 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:51:53am

re: #217 Gus

Do you eat that stuff?

Possibly not. But it will be a conversation piece in any case!
:)

220 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:52:27am

re: #209 sattv4u2

'likely voters',

When pollsters go out (or call) I always wondered what in their minds determined a "likely voter"

"Well Jim,, the person we questioned agrees with our position AND as far as we can tell they were breathing ,, so ,,,"

It's a number of factors, including level of knowledge and political engagement as well as if that person has voted before in this type of elections. This last is relevant because many people who are likely voters in the general election when the presidency is on the line will not be likely voters in an off-year primary election.

221 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:52:43am

re: #208 Millicent Islam

Mark Steyn starts off talking about the Jubilee and then veers off into an incoherent rant about Obama:
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Wingnut tears.

He's not only a disconnected celebrity and an amateur, but he's destroying our Constitution.

What a Brilliant Buffon! A Marauding Maroon!

222 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:53:06am

re: #219 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Possibly not. But it will be a conversation piece in any case!
:)

Put it on Youtubes.

//

223 darthstar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:53:15am

re: #215 Gus

If you want to stump them just bring up the Civil War.

The steam locomotive is an instrument of war. As is the horse and the human foot.

224 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:53:21am

re: #217 Gus

Do you eat that stuff?

It has scotch in it. Can't be that bad.

225 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:53:43am

re: #222 Gus

Put it on Youtubes.

//

Youtube declined it ,, against TOS !

226 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:53:44am

re: #223 darthstar

The steam locomotive is an instrument of war. As is the horse and the human foot.

Ban the hand for it makes a fist!

//

227 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:54:07am

re: #217 Gus

Do you eat that stuff?

I had a bite, it was pretty tasty.

re: #218 sattv4u2

She gave Jimmah the option

Eat your haggis or paint the hallway!

The cat ate the leftovers.

228 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:54:10am

re: #222 Gus

Put it on Youtubes.

//

Youtube Video
229 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:54:26am

re: #223 darthstar

The steam locomotive is an instrument of war. As is the horse and the human foot.

Yeah , but at least you can eat a horse

(and a foot, for that matter!)

230 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:54:46am

re: #227 Millicent Islam

I had a bite, it was pretty tasty.

re: #218 sattv4u2

The cat ate the leftovers.

WHY DO YOU HATE CATS!!

231 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:56:50am

re: #227 Millicent Islam

I had a bite, it was pretty tasty.

re: #218 sattv4u2

The cat ate the leftovers.

I presume because there was no runny cheese around as an alternative.

232 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:57:41am

How to use the Didjeribone

Youtube Video
233 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:58:23am

I've got to get going. BBL

234 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:58:27am

Rumours of the zombie apocalypse appear to have been premature:

Causeway attacker had no human flesh in stomach

235 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 7:59:09am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

How to use the Didjeribone

[Embedded content]

I hear those same noises coming from my sons room after he's gone out for Tex / Mex with his friends!

236 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:00:02am

re: #234 Millicent Islam

Rumours of the zombie apocalypse appear to have been premature:

Causeway attacker had no human flesh in stomach

He was just Zombie Curious.

237 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:01:07am

re: #234 Millicent Islam

re: #236 Kronocide

He was just Zombie Curious.

OR ,, he was gnawing off the flesh to get down to the good part ,, TEH BRAINZ!!!!

238 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:08:54am

re: #234 Millicent Islam

Rumours of the zombie apocalypse appear to have been premature:

Causeway attacker had no human flesh in stomach

Uh oh! Read it. I expect the "marijuana lobby" to be up in arms at any moment now.

//

239 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:10:20am

And the Bible lobby.

Good times.

//

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:10:21am

bbl

241 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:10:50am

And the gold teeth lobby.

"Hey! I wear gold teeth but I'm not a zombie!"

//

242 darthstar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:10:59am

Teeth are an instrument of war.

243 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:11:33am

re: #242 darthstar

Teeth are an instrument of war.

Teeth don't kill people...

244 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:12:46am

re: #243 Gus

Teeth Gums don't kill people...

You can have my teeth when you can pry them from my cold dead gums!

245 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:13:03am

re: #244 Millicent Islam

You can have my teeth when you can pry them from my cold dead gums!

Awesome.

246 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:13:43am

Open a checking account now and get a free set of gold teeth.

//Michael Moore has the video tape.

//

247 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:14:24am

Beware the flying Obama-Gold Teeth-Killer-Drones!
-- Glenn Greenwald reports.

//

248 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:16:35am

re: #247 Gus

Beware the flying Obama-Gold Teeth-Killer-Drones!
-- Glenn Greenwald reports.

//

I'm not posting it,, but,, if you google the highlighted ,,,,

249 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:17:06am

For those who were wondering about the drama over at Ace of Spades it seems one of their regulars got full of piss and vinegar and started posting his own personal information, taunting Kiberlin and crew to come after him. A stupid thing to do. I've never been a fan of Ace so I'm not really familiar with his posts. He has an excellent (although long winded) post up titled "How The Left Abandoned Traditional Notions of Restraint, Reserve, and Self-Mastery In Favor Of Righteous Rage, And How The Right Has Sadly Followed Them
And: The Blog Policy On Anger" which is worth reading and contemplating.

250 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:17:14am

re: #244 Millicent Islam

You can have my teeth when you can pry them from my cold dead gums!

Bite into the haggis

They'll come out on their own!

251 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:18:31am

re: #248 sattv4u2

I'm not posting it,, but,, if you google the highlighted ,,,

Ugh.

252 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:19:40am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

What thread (if thats how they do it there) is the 'rant' in?

I'll go over and read the two recommendations once I get to work this afternoon

253 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:20:22am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

For those who were wondering about the drama over at Ace of Spades it seems one of their regulars got full of piss and vinegar and started posting his own personal information, taunting Kiberlin and crew to come after him. A stupid thing to do. I've never been a fan of Ace so I'm not really familiar with his posts. He has an excellent (although long winded) post up titled "How The Left Abandoned Traditional Notions of Restraint, Reserve, and Self-Mastery In Favor Of Righteous Rage, And How The Right Has Sadly Followed Them
And: The Blog Policy On Anger" which is worth reading and contemplating.

But of course. The left done it first and the right are just victims for following in their path!

//

254 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:20:42am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Finally getting ready to flounce?

255 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:20:46am

re: #251 Gus

Ugh.

At least it's fair and balanced!!

Image: teeth-13693-20080916-41.jpg

//

256 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:21:13am

re: #254 William Barnett-Lewis

Finally getting ready to flounce?

Wishful thinking?

257 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:22:30am

re: #252 sattv4u2

What thread (if thats how they do it there) is the 'rant' in?

I'll go over and read the two recommendations once I get to work this afternoon

The thread with the rant that caused the banning and change in policy has been deleted. The post on political anger is titled "How The Left Abandoned Traditional Notions of Restraint, Reserve, and Self-Mastery In Favor Of Righteous Rage, And How The Right Has Sadly Followed Them" and is on the front page.

258 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:22:40am

Uncle Jimbo is known for his restraint.

//

259 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:22:52am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

He has an excellent (although long winded) post up titled "How The Left Abandoned Traditional Notions of Restraint, Reserve, and Self-Mastery In Favor Of Righteous Rage, And How The Right Has Sadly Followed Them
And: The Blog Policy On Anger" which is worth reading and contemplating.

After contemplating it, it's basically the same old dumb "things were better back when" shit, which involves ignoring history in order to form a skewed perspective which happens to be pleasing to the author-- and, apparently, some readers.

Rage and anger have been part of US politics forever. It's baffling to read an article claiming that only now is declaring absolute hatred acceptable; I guess the author simply prefers to ignore the entirety of the red scare, the House Unamerican Activities, etc., not to mention the politics both pre-and-post Civil war in North South relations, the ugly shit that got said during the Civil Rights Movement, etc.

260 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:23:00am

re: #257 Killgore Trout

thanks

261 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:24:16am

re: #253 Gus

But of course. The left done it first and the right are just victims for following in their path!

//

Remember it all went wrong for the right when Tea Party=Ron Paul=hippies=lefties/

262 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:24:19am

re: #259 Obdicut

After contemplating it, it's basically the same old dumb "things were better back when" shit, which involves ignoring history in order to form a skewed perspective which happens to be pleasing to the author-- and, apparently, some readers.

Rage and anger have been part of US politics forever. It's baffling to read an article claiming that only now is declaring absolute hatred acceptable; I guess the author simply prefers to ignore the entirety of the red scare, the House Unamerican Activities, etc., not to mention the politics both pre-and-post Civil war in North South relations, the ugly shit that got said during the Civil Rights Movement, etc.

Emancipation! What rage?

//

263 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:24:39am

Something contemplative and worth reading at Ace Of Spades HQ?

264 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:24:39am

re: #257 Killgore Trout

The thread with the rant that caused the banning and change in policy has been deleted. The post on political anger is titled "How The Left Abandoned Traditional Notions of Restraint, Reserve, and Self-Mastery In Favor Of Righteous Rage, And How The Right Has Sadly Followed Them" and is on the front page.

He restored commenting long enough to get his gallery's opinions on the Kimberlin-related cutoff. Sounds like he's trying to screw up his courage to do a "Why I Left the RW Crazy".

Or he's just afraid of getting sued.

265 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:24:45am

re: #261 Aye Pod

Remember it all went wrong for the right when Tea Party=Ron Paul=hippies=lefties/

No true Scotsman.

Also. Hitler was a liberal.

//

266 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:25:33am

re: #255 sattv4u2

At least it's fair and balanced!!

Image: teeth-13693-20080916-41.jpg

//

Youtube Video

Don't Blame the Dynamite!

267 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:26:34am

re: #262 Gus

It's also really funny that the author is desperately trying to lay the original blame on the left, claiming that the 'right' just got infected by it. As if Father Coughlin didn't exist.

I swear, the lack of knowledge of political history from bloggers and the like is just goddamn astounding. I mean, I know it's purposeful, but it takes like five seconds to show the glaring flaws in these idiotic cultural arguments; don't the authors think about this kind of shit at all?

268 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:27:39am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

For those who were wondering about the drama over at Ace of Spades ...

I am happy to say I had no knowledge about all that drama.

269 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:27:53am

re: #267 Obdicut

It's also really funny that the author is desperately trying to lay the original blame on the left, claiming that the 'right' just got infected by it. As if Father McCoughlin didn't exist.

I swear, the lack of knowledge of political history from bloggers and the like is just goddamn astounding. I mean, I know it's purposeful, but it takes like five seconds to show the glaring flaws in these idiotic cultural arguments; don't the authors think about this kind of shit at all?

Coughlin. Funny, I was also thinking about him too. Another famous liberal. //

270 allegro  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:28:09am

re: #253 Gus

But of course. The left done it first and the right are just victims for following in their path!

//

I noticed that, too. Yeah, us lefties getting all exercised over silliness like being lied into a war, the middle class being destroyed, women's rights to choose being whittled away, on and on, just hysteria over nothing. And on the right... the president is BLACK!

Total equivalence.

//

271 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:28:12am

For the Bay Area lizards, don't forget, if you have the time and don't hate Israel, there is .... Israel in the Gardens at the Yerba Buena Center next to the Metreon.

272 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:28:24am

re: #269 Gus

Coughlin. Funny, I was also thinking about him too. Another famous liberal. //

No idea why I added the Mc there.

273 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:28:32am

re: #267 Obdicut

It's also really funny that the author is desperately trying to lay the original blame on the left, claiming that the 'right' just got infected by it. As if Father McCoughlin didn't exist.

I swear, the lack of knowledge of political history from bloggers and the like is just goddamn astounding. I mean, I know it's purposeful, but it takes like five seconds to show the glaring flaws in these idiotic cultural arguments; don't the authors think about this kind of shit at all?

Easier to just post than to do the research into the accuracy of the position. Besides, one might not like what they find.

274 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:29:23am

"He's a good egg"

275 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:29:46am

Ha! Ace of Spades deleted this Tweet:

Bizarro 5 President @AceofSpadesHQ

Please don’t call Sandra Fluke a slut. Respect her for what she is, a shiftless rent-a-cooch from East Whoreville.

More here ICYMI:

Announcing the Andrew Breitbart Bottom Feeder Awards for Right Wing ‘Journalism’
Rewarding hate

This weekend the right wing Heritage Foundation is hosting an awards dinner in honor of Andrew Breitbart, and the award for “Best Blog” will go to “Ace of Spades.”

The same “Ace of Spades” who said this about women’s rights advocate Sandra Fluke...

276 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:30:25am

Deleting Tweets. Must be part of that "Ace of Spades" restraint we were talking about.

//

277 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:30:46am

Liberals made me do it!

//

278 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:30:46am

re: #273 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Easier to just post than to do the research into the accuracy of the position. Besides, one might not like what they find.

Well, I'm doing a disservice right now by talking about bloggers-- it's actually this Woods book I'm talking about, which is an actual published thingy and not just a blog. Being a 'real' author is no protection against these kinds of cock-ups, either.

"Rage and anger didn't used to be acceptable!"

Image: 1957-09-04.jpg

They're probably just yelling her class schedule at her.

279 darthstar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:30:53am

re: #253 Gus

But of course. The left done it first and the right are just victims for following in their path!

//

How the Left Made the Right Into Pitiful Victims Who Feel Sorry For Themselves But Are Too Shameless To Take Responsibility For Their Own Feelings But Should Still Be Allowed To Run The Country Into The Ground Because Al Gore Obama Hitler Mommy

280 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:31:27am

re: #279 darthstar

How the Left Made the Right Into Pitiful Victims Who Feel Sorry For Themselves But Are Too Shameless To Take Responsibility For Their Own Feelings But Should Still Be Allowed To Run The Country Into The Ground Because Al Gore Obama Hitler Mommy

Exactly. ;)

281 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:31:56am

Award winning blog, Ace of Spades.

//

282 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:32:12am

re: #270 allegro

I noticed that, too. Yeah, us lefties getting all exercised over silliness like being lied into a war, the middle class being destroyed, women's rights to choose being whittled away, on and on, just hysteria over nothing. And on the right... the president is BLACK!

Total equivalence.

//

There's an incredibly annoying piece in the NYT today:
Liberals Are Ruining America. I Know Because I Am One.. The best response I've seen so far is Steve M.'s from No More Mister Nice Blog:

This is one of those clever, witty arguments that seem to make a lot of sense until you spend about thirty seconds testing them against the facts.

283 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:32:39am

Head(s) gonna roll following BBC's recent dreadful and incredibly boring (by all accounts - I never watched any of it) Jubilee coverage:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

284 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:33:30am

No anger or hate here:

If any demonstrator ever lays down in front of my car, it'll be the last car he'll ever lay down in front of.

Lack of compromise is this new thing that we've never encountered before in US politics

There’s some people who’ve gone over the state and said, ‘Well, George Wallace has talked too strong about segregation.’ Now let me ask you this: how in the name of common sense can you be too strong about it? You’re either for it or you’re against it. There’s not any middle ground as I know of.

285 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:35:25am

re: #264 Decatur Deb

He restored commenting long enough to get his gallery's opinions on the Kimberlin-related cutoff. Sounds like he's trying to screw up his courage to do a "Why I Left the RW Crazy".

Or he's just afraid of getting sued.

I think it might just be that the rage boiled over and caused a pain in his ass. I think it's a thought provoking article and reflects much of what I've been seeing lately. Political rage is selfish and counterproductive. I'm not sure how much he's going to stick with these new direction of if he's going to interpret his revelations correctly but I think it's a step in the right direction.

286 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:35:41am

re: #283 Aye Pod

Head(s) gonna roll following BBC's recent dreadful and incredibly boring (by all accounts - I never watched any of it) Jubilee coverage:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Gee whiz. It is boring to begin with. Depending on what one was looking at. The fly pasts were pretty cool though. But it's basically a flotilla going down the Thames with a bunch of royals in narrow boats. I bet it was a lot better some of the pubs. ;)

287 darthstar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:35:42am

re: #284 Obdicut

He likes ending sentences with prepositions.

288 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:36:58am

re: #281 Gus

Award winning blog, Ace of Spades.

//

There is much we can learn from him. Go read!

289 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:37:07am

When Viola Liuzzo was murdered for the high crime of attempting to get black people rights, the FBI smeared her as a communist and slut. That's the kind of restraint and civility that we used to enjoy in this country, and it's a shame we've moved away from it.

290 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:39:24am

re: #288 Aye Pod

I could care less about what's happening over at Ace of Spades. Frankly, I find a certain person's concern over it rather off-putting. But, I've come to expect that from him these days.

291 darthstar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:39:36am
292 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:40:11am

re: #290 Gus

I could care less about what's happening over at Ace of Spades. Frankly, I find a certain person's concern over it rather off-putting. But, I've come to expect that from him these days.

Ace is a misogynistic scumbag.

293 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:40:15am

re: #285 Killgore Trout

I like this bit from Ace:

Politics is not the reason for their anger; deep-seated emotional turmoil and private tribulations are their real problems.

All those women who are pissed off at the GOP's attempts to take away health care for them, shame them when they seek abortions, stop them from getting the abortion? They're not really angry about that. It's some personal thing.

It's amazing how un-self-reflective he is in writing something that's supposed to be soul-searching.

294 darthstar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:40:19am

re: #290 Gus

I could care less about what's happening over at Ace of Spades. Frankly, I find a certain person's concern over it rather off-putting. But, I've come to expect that from him these days.

I just hope he's getting enough fiber in his diet.

295 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:41:08am

Welcome to KT's Ace of Spades drum circle.

//

296 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:41:26am

re: #292 Millicent Islam

Ace is a misogynistic scumbag.

Now now, you're just being unmanly.

297 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:41:30am

Kumbaya!

298 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:41:35am

re: #286 Gus

Gee whiz. It is boring to begin with. Depending on what one was looking at. The fly pasts were pretty cool though. But it's basically a flotilla going down the Thames with a bunch of royals in narrow boats. I bet it was a lot better some of the pubs. ;)

We were out in the garden drinking Pimms and having a wee smoke that day. It was sunny and warm up here too - unlike London - I felt bad for the poor drenched revellers down there.

299 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:42:29am

I'll hold my atta boys until he comes to the other side.

Till then, the key factor in today's conservatism is hating leftists, being in some kind of war with liberalism.. and lower taxation and liberty except for uteruses holding fetuses. Or whatever.

Sorry if that comes of as angry.

300 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:42:43am

re: #290 Gus

I could care less about what's happening over at Ace of Spades. Frankly, I find a certain person's concern over it rather off-putting. But, I've come to expect that from him these days.

It was Sergey who mentioned it yesterday morning.

301 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:42:46am

Coming up next. A "nice post" at The Diary of Daedalus.

//

302 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:43:19am

Angry about your local planned parenthood being shut down in Texas by a purposeful, targeted campaign by fundamentalist, misogynistic assholes? No you're not, you must have some inner turmoil going on.

Angry about gas and oil companies being allowed to frack wells near you, contaminating your groundwater? Man, you really need to work on your issues. What was your relationship with your mother like?

303 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:43:37am

Anti-anger article sparks outrage!

304 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:46:17am

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Anti-anger article sparks outrage!

Read the one-shot comments if they're still up. His followers had a hard time letting go. He might shut down but he's not going to come towards the light. Most likely he'll just go to comment by registration. His intent to do that sparked a bunch of LGF comparisons.

305 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:46:20am

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Anti-anger article sparks outrage!

I lift a middle finger halfway in your general direction, but quit before it's all the way up, then say 'Meh.'

306 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:46:28am

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Anti-anger article sparks outrage!

Well, yeah. It's perfectly okay to be angry when you're being fucked over and attacked, and saying otherwise is really idiotic. As is the ahistorical attempt to claim that this is new, or that it originated with the Left. It's a really crappy article by someone who's using a funhouse mirror to self-reflect-- based on a book that's equally ahistorical and partisan.

What exactly do you find worthwhile about it?

307 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:46:31am

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Anti-anger article sparks outrage!

That's a "you" problem and not a "my" problem. You want to go over to read Ace of Spades and lick their boots go right ahead.

308 allegro  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:47:35am

Anger can be quite a productive emotion, motivating and energizing. This is why the right has built a media engine to drive it 24/7.

309 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:47:42am

re: #305 Kronocide

I lift a middle finger halfway in your general direction, but quit before it's all the way up, then say 'Meh.'

Outrage!

re: #297 Gus

Kumbaya!

Outrage!

310 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:47:47am

Some lizards help me out here...who was that female reporter that Ace had the total misogynistic meltdown over? Tbogg posted about it. I think the woman's name begins with a C but I'm blanking out on it. Help!

311 darthstar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:48:28am

Subhuman Troll James O'Keefe showed up at Netroots Nation and was treated...civilly. You know that had to piss him off.

Youtube Video
312 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:48:52am

re: #309 Aye Pod

Outrage!

re: #297 Gus

Outrage!

I iz confused.

//

313 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:49:01am

re: #304 Decatur Deb

Read the one-shot comments if they're still up. His followers had a hard time letting go. He might shut down but he's not going to come towards the light. Most likely he'll just go to comment by registration. His intent to do that sparked a bunch of LGF comparisons.

Yeah, I just started skimming the comments and it's not surprising that most people there just don't get it. If I had to guess I'd say that this will end up like the racist comments at Hot Air. Once it became a serious enough issue they changed their official policy, cracked down for a while and slowly relapsed to their old ways.

314 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:49:27am

re: #311 darthstar

Subhuman Troll James O'Keefe showed up at Netroots Nation and was treated...civilly. You know that had to piss him off.

[Embedded content]

Wait until he does the Director's Cut.

315 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:50:23am

re: #308 allegro

Anger can be quite a productive emotion, motivating and energizing. This is why the right has built a media engine to drive it 24/7.

Nah, angry people never say things that are worthwhile or make good arguments.

Image: christopher_hitchens.jpg

316 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:52:05am

Ace of Spades has seen the light!

//The liberals made us do it but now I'm found.

//

317 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:52:58am

This also dovetails nicely with the Stephen Fry video I posted a few days ago.

318 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:54:46am

Ms Fluke, y u so pissed off?
Ms Sherrod, y u so pissy face?
Why are gays so bitchy and in your face?
Why are you union thugs so aggro?

319 ozbloke  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:55:02am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

This also dovetails nicely with the Stephen Fry video I posted a few days ago.

Hi Kilgore,
Can you expand on that for me, I thought Fry's message was about 'a more transparent government'.

320 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:55:19am

re: #316 Gus

Ace of Spades has seen the light!

//The liberals made us do it but now I'm found.

//

The only breakthrough he's made is realizing that blogging is part of the meatworld and that outrageous crap in virtual life can have an echo in the courtroom.

321 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:56:29am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

This also dovetails nicely with the Stephen Fry video I posted a few days ago.

Stephen Fry is also a guy who understands the value of anger, and expressed it often.

322 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:56:29am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

This also dovetails nicely with the Stephen Fry video I posted a few days ago.

Is that the one that got derailed by pointless posts about OWS?

323 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:56:31am

Y U black people so pissy? Civil Rights act happened in 1964... GET OVER IT

324 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:58:26am

re: #319 ozbloke

Hi Kilgore,
Can you expand on that for me, I thought Fry's message was about 'a more transparent government'.

Stephen Fry - All about I (What I wish I knew when I was 18)

Youtube Video

It's pretty good if you have the time to wade through the whole thing.
325 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:59:05am

Why do you stupid liberals believe this stupid gobbledygook global warming crap put out by evil scientists? Why so pissy?

326 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:59:14am

Welcome to Sunday confessional. You too can become a born-again wingnut.

//

327 ozbloke  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:59:40am

re: #324 Killgore Trout

Stephen Fry - All about I (What I wish I knew when I was 18)

[Embedded content]
It's pretty good if you have the time to wade through the whole thing.

Yes, thanks I watched it when you posted it the other day.
I do not see the 'dovetailing'.

Care to elaborate a bit?

328 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 8:59:58am

re: #319 ozbloke

Hi Kilgore,
Can you expand on that for me, I thought Fry's message was about 'a more transparent government'.

I think he was also talking about internet trolls of the random abuse sort eg you tube commenters. He also has had experience of nasty trolls on twitter IIRC. Still don't see any particular relevance to this though.

329 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:00:15am

Starting the grill--BBL.

330 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:00:46am

2010: Stephen Fry melts down, quits Twitter (again)

ONE OF TWITTER’S most famous faces – comedian and actor Stephen Fry – has apparently quit the site in complaint at being treated like an ‘antichrist’ after a controversial interview in which he apparently claimed that women have sex only to please men...

331 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:01:26am

re: #257 Killgore Trout

The thread with the rant that caused the banning and change in policy has been deleted. The post on political anger is titled "How The Left Abandoned Traditional Notions of Restraint, Reserve, and Self-Mastery In Favor Of Righteous Rage, And How The Right Has Sadly Followed Them" and is on the front page.

Why not just post a link?

332 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:02:01am

Weirdly, there's a difference between legitimate anger over actual things that are actually occurring, and invented anger over mythical things which are not happening.

For example, even though I thought OWS was doomed from the start and found many of the people there depressingly ignorant about economic facts, the basic economic fact they were protesting-- that the divide between the wealthy and the middle and lower class is growing faster and faster and that this is terrible for our society-- is completely accurate.

Whereas the various crap the Tea Party was-- and the GOP is-- protesting, like higher taxes, guns being taken away, etc. are all fucking mythical.

Yet some people have a great, great deal of difficulty distinguishing between these things, for some reason only focusing on style and not substance.

333 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:03:02am

Conservatism: because Liberalism sucks

Haha, why you so mad? LOL, you all mad. I'm awesomely not mad at all because I LOL all the time at you mad people.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:03:39am

re: #271 Eclectic Infidel

For the Bay Area lizards, don't forget, if you have the time and don't hate Israel, there is ... Israel in the Gardens at the Yerba Buena Center next to the Metreon.

Of course, plenty of people who do hate Israel will be showing up. I wonder if last year's guy who had to be physically carted away from the barricades by his sister or GF or whoever will be back. That was priceless.

335 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:03:53am

See. This is why I think it's a bad idea to smoke pot in the morning.

//

336 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:04:06am
Youtube Video

And Spike has something to say about the reduced value of the English language.

337 ozbloke  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:04:50am

re: #328 Aye Pod

I think he was also talking about internet trolls of the random abuse sort eg you tube commenters. He also has had experience of nasty trolls on twitter IIRC.

Thank's Jimmah,
Kind regards to you and the misses.

I felt he was talking about that in the context of the posters being anonymous.
He seemed to wrap it up (eventually) talking about people requiring more transparency of the governments and their leaders.

I could have been drunk at the time though.

338 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:06:49am

Irony.

339 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:07:08am

re: #330 Gus

2010: Stephen Fry melts down, quits Twitter (again)

Ah. Thanks for the info. I had heard he was being trolled but it sounds like he just couldn't handle the criticism he got following some rather ridiculous remarks. That's the sort of thing this was made for:

Youtube Video
340 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:08:14am

re: #337 ozbloke

Given that Killgore previously posted a video with Christopher Hitchens speaking in Canada, giving a lecture against government making laws to restrain criticism of government, while using examples of government censorship, and Killgore stated (or, condescendingly lectured, rather) that this speech was not at all about government censorship but concluded one-half of one-sentence in the entire speech was actually it smain point, it's probably best to take whatever Killgore thinks a video is about with a shovelful of salt.

341 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:08:40am

re: #339 Aye Pod

Ah. Thanks for the info. I had heard he was being trolled but it sounds like he just couldn't handle the criticism he got following some rather ridiculous remarks. That's the sort of thing this was made for:

[Embedded content]

I was actually following him for a while but unfollowed after I got tired of his insipid and often stupid Tweet. He's just a comedian by training. He's not my God damned pastor.

342 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:09:14am

re: #327 ozbloke

Yes, thanks I watched it when you posted it the other day.
I do not see the 'dovetailing'.

Care to elaborate a bit?

Because anger is a selfish indulgence and it's off-putting to others. The more you can let go of "self" the better off you'll be.

343 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:09:24am

re: #330 Gus

2010: Stephen Fry melts down, quits Twitter (again)

This reminds me of years ago when I first started to comment on blogs and would have sleepless nights when someone was really critical of me, or "didn't understand me". I think I even quit altogether for a while, the tension was too great.

Now I am mostly mellow.

344 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:10:40am

re: #331 McSpiff

Why not just post a link?

Because I don't think Charles wants us to link to wingnut sites, especially if it's in a positive way. I'm not sure what the rules are these days.

345 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:13:29am

re: #342 Killgore Trout

Because anger is a selfish indulgence and it's off-putting to others. The more you can let go of "self" the better off you'll be.

Being afraid of human emotion, and needing to repress it, is not a sign of strength. Being in control of yourself is good, but there is nothing wrong with being angry. Using the anger constructively is a good thing, rather than just ranting and raving, but there's nothing inherently bad about feeling emotions, or expressing them.

Can you explain, without assertion, why you believe otherwise?

346 ozbloke  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:13:59am

re: #342 Killgore Trout

Because anger is a selfish indulgence and it's off-putting to others. The more you can let go of "self" the better off you'll be.

Ah, I see where you are drawing a parallel, thanks.
Perhaps, it could have been quicker, if he just suggested we all became Buddhists.

Ommmm.

347 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:14:22am

Funny about that anger. I can remember when someone was being called a "whore" and then watching some blowing it off as just a "squabble." I guess the message here is that anger only matters if it's being directed to yourself. If it's being directed at someone else then it become "a you problem and not a my problem." (Cough)

348 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:14:38am

re: #342 Killgore Trout

Oh, and since you raised the 'off-putting to others', topic, you obviously realize your passive-aggressive behavior over the past months has been massively off-putting to others. how does that square with this theory of yours? Is it that your anger is showing through passive-aggression, isn't sufficiently repressed, or what?

349 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:14:38am

Fire in the hole!

350 ozbloke  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:15:01am

re: #344 Killgore Trout

Because I don't think Charles wants us to link to wingnut sites, especially if it's in a positive way. I'm not sure what the rules are these days.

Also, what about righteous indignation, is there room for that?

351 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:15:13am

[Start up the big green bulldozer.]

352 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:15:23am

re: #347 Gus

Funny about that anger. I can remember when someone was being called a "whore" and then watching some blowing it off as just a "squabble." I guess the message here is that anger only matters if it's being directed to yourself. If it's being directed at someone else then it become "a you problem and not a my problem." (Cough)

lol, yeah, that was all most instructive.

353 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:16:13am

re: #338 Gus

Irony.

YUSOMAD?

354 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:16:15am

re: #352 Millicent Islam

lol, yeah, that was all most instructive.

Narcissism can have such a clouding effect on memory.

//

355 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:16:41am

I remember one of the more important lessons I realized after my grandmother died was that feeling sadness was valuable. It wasn't something to be repressed or cured or gotten away from. She was a wonderful woman and it was right to be sad about her death; it's still right to be sad and miss her. It's appropriate. Attempts to divest yourself of emotion almost never work, and when they do, you really do lose something in the process.

Human nature is a scary beastie, but it's the only one we've got to ride.

356 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:16:48am

re: #350 ozbloke

Also, what about righteous indignation, is there room for that?

There's room for everything, but in moderation.

357 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:16:53am

We are about to see an example of hostility infecting one blog from another. Mask up and wash hands after typing.

358 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:17:06am

re: #353 Kronocide

YUSOMAD?

Yeah. I have this weird thing about context and history.

359 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:17:45am

re: #357 Decatur Deb

We are about to see an example of hostility infecting one blog from another. Mask up and wash hands after typing.

Really? And this is a new thing?

360 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:17:57am

re: #344 Killgore Trout

Because I don't think Charles wants us to link to wingnut sites, especially if it's in a positive way. I'm not sure what the rules are these days.

Sorry, I'm confused. I thought you said it was a well written article on the left's issues with anger. Now you're saying its a wingnut site that you can't link to. Bit of a contradiction?

361 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:18:16am

Oh how I miss ______ .

//

362 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:18:32am

re: #360 McSpiff

Sorry, I'm confused. I thought you said it was a well written article on the left's issues with anger. Now you're saying its a wingnut site that you can't link to. Bit of a contradiction?

it's Ace of Spades, a wingnut site.

363 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:18:45am

re: #359 Gus

Really? And this is a new thing?

No, but it's interesting to watch the transmission of a strain.

364 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:19:17am

re: #362 Killgore Trout

it's Ace of Spades, a wingnut site.

So the article is no good?

Confused O_o

365 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:19:42am

re: #364 McSpiff

So the article is no good?

Confused O_o

I thought it was a good article.

366 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:19:43am

re: #344 Killgore Trout

Because I don't think Charles wants us to link to wingnut sites, especially if it's in a positive way. I'm not sure what the rules are these days.

Two possible meanings to that, not sure which one you mean.

In a very unemotionally uninvested objective way, I state 'meh.'

367 ozbloke  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:20:10am

re: #356 Killgore Trout

There's room for everything, but in moderation.

Well that's blown my theory.
Nothing succeeds like excess.

368 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:21:10am

re: #365 Killgore Trout

I thought it was a good article.

Is wingnut a good thing again?

369 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:21:16am

re: #341 Gus

I was actually following him for a while but unfollowed after I got tired of his insipid and often stupid Tweet. He's just a comedian by training. He's not my God damned pastor.

Yep. He's a smart and funny guy but I don't want to know what he puts on his cornflakes, what's on his ipod, or his obviously incorrect ideas about female sexuality.

370 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:24:34am

re: #369 Aye Pod

I really wonder why he decided to start talking about female sexuality at all. I mean... gay man, talking about women's sexuality, kind of obviously out of his element.

Really, really brilliant comedian, though:

Youtube Video
371 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:28:51am

Obama makes factual statement, GOP goes nuts.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., sounded the typical theme. In a press conference, Cantor said:

My question would be to the president, are you kidding? Did he see the job numbers that came out last week? The private sector is not doing fine. And, frankly, I’d ask the president to stop engaging in the blame game. It’s not because of the headwinds of Europe. It’s not, despite his attempt and his party’s attempts here in Congress, it is not because of House Republicans. It’s because of the failed stimulus policies and other items in his agenda that small businesses in this country just aren’t growing.

Eric Cantor, YUSOMAD?

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:28:57am

Aaaand I'm off, to eat felafel, watch small children get their faces painted, listen to whatever band Israel in the Gardens has booked this year, and take pictures of a bunch of dedicated "peace activists" screaming 'from the river to the sea' and "Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud".

Must remember to take sunblock this time.

373 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:30:50am

re: #347 Gus

Funny about that anger. I can remember when someone was being called a "whore" and then watching some blowing it off as just a "squabble." I guess the message here is that anger only matters if it's being directed to yourself. If it's being directed at someone else then it become "a you problem and not a my problem." (Cough)

This.

374 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:33:19am

Good Morning Lizards! Beautiful day in Oklahoma.

375 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:34:49am

Dinner time here - ice is making burgers. Later folks:)

376 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:35:26am

re: #375 Aye Pod

Dinner time here - ice is making burgers. Later folks:)

Haggisburgers

377 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:36:13am

re: #376 Decatur Deb

Haggisburgers

Haggis Helper!

378 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:41:22am

re: #374 Digital Display

Hot in Philly. :(

379 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:43:08am

re: #371 Kronocide

Obama makes factual statement, GOP goes nuts.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., sounded the typical theme. In a press conference, Cantor said:

Eric Cantor, YUSOMAD?

The private sector, at least that one represented on stock exchanges, is doing fine as evidenced by market valuations in the past 2 or more years. Where does the GOP think its massive donations are financed from?

380 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:45:45am

re: #379 Achilles Tang

Eric Cantor is so cute when he goes Incredulous Spice.

381 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:50:46am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

For those who were wondering about the drama over at Ace of Spades it seems one of their regulars got full of piss and vinegar and started posting his own personal information, taunting Kiberlin and crew to come after him. A stupid thing to do. I've never been a fan of Ace so I'm not really familiar with his posts. He has an excellent (although long winded) post up titled "How The Left Abandoned Traditional Notions of Restraint, Reserve, and Self-Mastery In Favor Of Righteous Rage, And How The Right Has Sadly Followed Them
And: The Blog Policy On Anger" which is worth reading and contemplating.

It did generate some brief confusion over at our "Diary of Dorkus" fan club. Dorkus (AKA Daedalus, Rodan, Trajan, and Twadjie) thought that the "jimmah" on Ace of Spades was LGF's Jimmah and was raging against him when several of his commentators pointed out that AoSHQ's 'jimmah' had been there for years and was not realated to ours at all. Dorkus leaped before he looked and ended up jumping into a big puddle of Stupid.

[waves to the Stalkers]

382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:55:29am

re: #378 PhillyPretzel

Hot in Philly. :(

Yep. So I'm off to take a looping walk in it. Will swing by Trader Joe's on the way back and do some minor grocery shopping. Need to get out of the apartment for a while in any case.

Feline Overlord has the right idea. He's lying on the windowsill baking in the sun.

383 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:58:16am

re: #371 Kronocide

Too late, Obama has already walked his statement back. His line is being seen as a gaffe and has be pounced on as such. Obama has lost the spin cycle on this one, and given how many people have given up looking for work, I'd say he's wrong on the facts too.

384 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 9:58:41am

re: #357 Decatur Deb

We are about to see an example of hostility infecting one blog from another. Mask up and wash hands after typing.

More like MOPP 4 conditions. With full decon routines when finished for the day.

385 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:01:17am

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

Too late, Obama has already walked his statement back. His line is being seen as a gaffe and has be pounced on as such. Obama has lost the spin cycle on this one, and given how many people have given up looking for work, I'd say he's wrong on the facts too.

We now have the money bias. For the media the money is in a close race. They will do anything to keep it close, or at least create an illusion of close. That means cravenly going with the outrage of the day, regardless.

This should not be confused with a pro GOP or Romney bias. It's about the corporate profits.

386 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:02:34am

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

Too late, Obama has already walked his statement back. His line is being seen as a gaffe and has be pounced on as such. Obama has lost the spin cycle on this one, and given how many people have given up looking for work, I'd say he's wrong on the facts too.

You have mischaracterized his statements as 'walking back' when in reality he was attempting to educate people who misinterpreted his rather benign statement in the first place.

Then on top of that, you completely ignore actual factual information because of anecdote. Or you can't read a graph.

387 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:05:07am

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

Too late, Obama has already walked his statement back. His line is being seen as a gaffe and has be pounced on as such. Obama has lost the spin cycle on this one, and given how many people have given up looking for work, I'd say he's wrong on the facts too.

The private sector- in the sense of the capitalists, the investors-- is doing great. Record profits.

The private sector, in terms of the workers, is doing badly, and has been for decades, because the wealth keeps going to the wealthier, and wages stagnate, and fewer jobs are created here.

Was that the point you meant to make? That the growing income inequality is the reason the private sector could be said to not be doing well?

388 allegro  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:09:00am

The problem was that his comment about the "private sector is doing fine" was spun to be the equivalent to the "economy is doing fine." It wasn't and isn't as he has further had to explain. He made no gaffe. The gaffe - if one could generously call it that rather than a, yanno, lie - was on the part of the RW media.

389 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:19:13am

re: #386 Kronocide

You have mischaracterized his statements as 'walking back' when in reality he was attempting to educate people who misinterpreted his rather benign statement in the first place.

Then on top of that, you completely ignore actual factual information because of anecdote. Or you can't read a graph.

Please note the Sunday morning talking heads (including Bob Scheiffer) are right in line with Dark's take. It's sucks when the meme overwhelms the facts. Dark is correct as far as the media play goes.

390 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:19:31am

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

Geez.. It's going to be my 4th year here Tuesday. I think I'll post highlights and thoughts for the past 4 years..I posted when I first got here I was a moderate in my political views and I have learned so much being here reading multifaceted views about the world we live in. Because I live in the middle I get to laugh reading the words of the far left and wing nuts when they jump off the cliff. I believe the most important thing we can do is live our life on founding principles we hold deeply. I always stood with Charles because he took stands on his principles no matter which way the wind blows. I respect that. He could have taken the easy road with this blog and let it continue upon it's path to the wingnut platform talking points.
What he did took courage and principle.
Now that I think about it..Tuesday should be a blockbuster post..How about all those nights the YEC were here posting about religion and love and wishing Charles would suffer in hell forever? ( now that was funny stuff if it wasn't so sick )
The great flounce of 2009..It was like being in a day care center that needed a giant time out after recess.. Funny as hell.. I was posting flounce templates to make it more convenient for people.. Just fill in the blanks. ( We are a full service blog after all )
There is much to cover..any suggestions?

391 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:25:56am

re: #389 Daniel Ballard

Please note the Sunday morning talking heads (including Bob Scheiffer) are right in line with Dark's take. It's sucks when the meme overwhelms the facts. Dark is correct as far as the media play goes.

DF said three things in his one statement. I really don't have an issue with 'Dark's take/media play.' It's the other statements that are wrong.

392 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:25:59am

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

Too late, Obama has already walked his statement back. His line is being seen as a gaffe and has be pounced on as such. Obama has lost the spin cycle on this one, and given how many people have given up looking for work, I'd say he's wrong on the facts too.

You confuse out of work with business profits.

As has been pointed out to you, the largest newly out of work sector has been the public sector.

Where are your job creators that the GOP spins all the time? They can't complain that it is lack of profits that keeps them from hiring out of work teachers.

393 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:29:10am

re: #390 Digital Display

It's my 4th year too, ya beat me by a few months. I'd been lurking politcal blogs for a year before I chose my place to post. One of my favorite moments was the opportunity to push back on the NY mosque bigotry. A suggestion for you? Maybe for many of us. Issues roll around and around. One of the coolest things here is how people with real expertise can step up and clear the air when the subject is withing their expertise.

Look at how frequently Lawhawk has defined a legal thing. CuriousLurker is amazing on her best issues. I could go on. But the loyalty to facts is my overall favorite thing about this blog.

Then we have the Pages, oh man... Talk about a platform!

394 funky chicken  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:29:56am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

For those who were wondering about the drama over at Ace of Spades it seems one of their regulars got full of piss and vinegar and started posting his own personal information, taunting Kiberlin and crew to come after him. A stupid thing to do. I've never been a fan of Ace so I'm not really familiar with his posts. He has an excellent (although long winded) post up titled "How The Left Abandoned Traditional Notions of Restraint, Reserve, and Self-Mastery In Favor Of Righteous Rage, And How The Right Has Sadly Followed Them
And: The Blog Policy On Anger" which is worth reading and contemplating.

Huh. I quit reading AOS back in early 2009 because of the prevalence of unhinged wingnuttery in the comments section. I guess it's good somebody finally noticed it.

395 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:34:36am

Well, most of us pretty much knew this already.

Income inequality has become the subject of much debate in this country, in large part because of the Occupy Wall Street movement.
In his latest book, The Price of Inequality, Columbia Professor and Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz examines the causes of income inequality and offers some remedies. In between, he reaches some startling conclusions, including that America is "no longer the land of opportunity" and "the 'American dream' is a myth."

While we all know stories of people who've moved up the social stratosphere, Stiglitz says the statistics tell a very different story. In the last 30 years the share of national income held by the top 1% of Americans has doubled; for to the top 0.1%, their share has tripled, he reports. Meanwhile, median incomes for American workers have stagnated.

Even more than income inequality, "America has the least equality of opportunity of any of the advanced industrial economies," Stiglitz says. In short, the status you're born into — whether rich or poor — is more likely to be the status of your adult life in America vs. any other advanced economy, including 'Old Europe'.

USA! USA! USA! Greatest country ever! Wooo!

/

396 Mattand  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:37:28am

re: #390 Digital Display

As an independent, who are you voting for for President?

397 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:40:44am

re: #392 Achilles Tang

Where I work, yes profits are up. Yes, this is anecdotal but it speaks to a harsh reality. Hiring has not happened. Only due to one reason-Not enough demand. I must leave some details out but our product mix transformed. What sells now requires little labor to produce.

Oh and a government regulation cost the firm two full time jobs. We fought this so hard. The City of Ontario decided it knows better than Sacramento, and banned licensed toxic waste processors from bring the material into city limits for even the most green technology processing. Those jobs are gone for good, and they paid really well.

That toxic waste is the red rouge that comes off gold polishing lathes when its polished. Toxic waste worth $500 per pound to the waste generator like your local jewelry maker.

Now my bottom line point here is that hiring is demand driven. With all due respect points made about some bad players-When companies need help to make more money via their sales or services, hiring happens. As overtime exceeds another position hires happen. Until then, companies just try to make money on what they have.

Demand still sucks.

398 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:45:13am

re: #389 Daniel Ballard

Please note the Sunday morning talking heads (including Bob Scheiffer) are right in line with Dark's take. It's sucks when the meme overwhelms the facts. Dark is correct as far as the media play goes.

DF said three things:

Too late, Obama has already walked his statement back.

His line is being seen as a gaffe and has be pounced on as such. Obama has lost the spin cycle on this one, and given how many people have given up looking for work...

...I'd say he's wrong on the facts too.

I responded to the first and third statement. Your response to me was defending his second statement which I did not take issue with. I thought I was pretty clear. No matter how aligned DF is with the talking heads and their opinions, I've not seen Obama 'walk back' the statement (I say he clarified.. partisan blinders?), nor have I seen DF respond to the graph supporting Obama's statement that 'the private sector is doing fine (job numbers).'

So DF made an unfounded statement WRT something Obama said or implied, at this point unsubstantiated, and followed it up with stating Obama is wrong on the facts right after a link with a graph that substantiates Obama being right on the facts.

You're supporting DF on a statement or position he's not being challenged on.

399 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:46:59am

Uh, OK. So I went to Ace of Spades' blog for the first time in years, and read this post that's supposed to be "thoughtful." I'm not seeing the "thoughtful" part.

Honestly, it reminds me of what an abusive husband might say to his battered wife, after attacking her for the 50th time. "It's all your fault, baby, you made me do it, but I'm going to be a better man now, you just watch."

The fact is that "Ace" has been one of the most despicable, hateful, misogynist right wing bloggers -- for years. Now he's probably afraid of being sued for all the libel and ugliness he encouraged and cheered on, and he's trying to make himself look better by pretending it's all the left's fault.

What I read is just another totally dishonest attempt to paint himself as a victim. The idea that the "right followed the left" after the left "abandoned traditional notions of restraint" is so ridiculous I actually laughed at the title. What crap.

These people are unbelievable, literally.

400 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:48:48am

But no, it was an introspective... Ace is Mea Culpa Curious.... right KT?

401 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:49:29am

Oh, and he's now deleting his ugliest tweets too. Imagine the screaming from people like Ace if I did something like that. Hypocritical piece of shit.

402 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:52:18am

re: #400 Kronocide

But no, it was an introspective... Ace is Mea Culpa Curious... right KT?

I felt it was a nice article and gave me some things to think about. Not everybody has to agree.

403 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:52:34am

re: #395 dragonfire1981

This prompts me to quote something I posted in a page a while ago.

In Sweden 20% of the people own 32% of the wealth, and pay 27% of the total tax revenue. 80% own 68% and pay 73% of taxes.

In the USA 20% of the people own 84% of the wealth, and pay 64% of the total tax revenue. 80% own 16% and pay 36% of taxes.

The only part of this that we hear quoted in the USA, by Republicans, is that 20% pay 64% of taxes in the US, or that for the poor socialist Swedes it is the 80% who have all the burden. It is easy to spin this kind of stuff if one leaves out half the data. (I presume the reader of this is taking a moment to look at all the numbers).

And another recent number I saw here, being that there are 3.5 million job openings in the US, but not enough qualified applicants.

404 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:53:24am

re: #396 mattand

As an independent, who are you voting for President?

For a multitude of reasons I voted for Obama last time..It was a difficult choice because I didn't so much vote for him as against McCain and the GOP.
Having a Son in Iraq and sick of the GOP turning into the war party.. There is never a reason to start a war to finish daddy's business.. It was a very difficult vote for me because I support our military and felt somewhat betrayed by political considerations.
I have come to respect Obama's positions on about 60% of issues. I don't think Mitt as a successful business leader lends him any cred as the leader of the free world...If that were the case we would have elected Robber Barron's as POTUS in the 1800's.
Obama has grit.. True grit

405 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:53:52am

re: #398 Kronocide

I saw the Presidents response. Looked to me like he fell for it too, (but I saw one of those soundbites only). Walk back or clarify is subjective. What Obama did not do on the sb I saw was counter attack on the context. Which was an opportunity lost.

As far as hiring and profits go well I posted on that just up thread a tad. I don't see a partisan overlay there. I see a check and balance issue with congress and corporations. So I see the whole kerfuffle as sideways to reality anyway. Election year sideways.

Lest anyone misunderstand-I'm voting for Obama this November.

406 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:54:10am

I predict that it will take about a week before Ace is right back to spewing noxious hatred at anyone he thinks is an enemy.

407 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:56:53am

re: #403 Achilles Tang

And another recent number I saw here, being that there are 3.5 million job openings in the US, but not enough qualified applicants.

I saw a similar number posted online yesterday. The person who posted it commented the vast majority of those openings are in fields that require highly specialized science and mathematics knowledge.

And of course we all know how the GOP feels about science...

Then of course, these companies will look to other countries to fill those jobs (where they can find properly trained individuals) and then Republicans will bitch about "immigrants taking jobs away from Americans."

408 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:56:58am

re: #406 Charles Johnson

I predict that it will take about a week before Ace is right back to spewing noxious hatred at anyone he thinks is an enemy.

They're already back to it. From their new thread on Obama calling him "Captain Zero"

7 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

410 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 10:58:42am

re: #397 Daniel Ballard

Agreed, I was hardly attempting a full analysis. As Obama and Co. say all the time, we need a balance of smart austerity and smart stimulus. The latter to increase demand and revenue so as to ease the former, and to take advantage of ridiculously low borrowing costs, say for building long term infrastructure, which will not last forever, even though borrowing has become a dirty word, regardless of logic.

411 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:00:45am

About the dishonest hateful creep who calls himself "Ace:" Oxymoron of the Day: Right Wing Blogosphere Ethics.

412 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:03:16am

re: #402 Killgore Trout

I felt it was a nice article and gave me some things to think about. Not everybody has to agree.

I would agree, but we seem to disagree on the motivations and interpretation.

On the face of it, sure, it's not bad.

413 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:06:33am

re: #412 Kronocide

I would agree, but we seem to disagree on the motivations and interpretation.

On the face of it, sure, it's not bad.

Agreed. I consider them two separate issues. I liked the article itself. However, as I mentioned earlier, what it means to him, how he applies it and how he interprets it remains to be seen. I'm not overly hopeful that it will transform him but I still liked it.

414 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:07:00am

I just realized what "Ace" is really motivated by: money. A few months back someone pointed out that he was whining about having trouble getting advertisers for his site, because of the extremely hateful posts and comments.

That's what this is really about. Notice that there isn't a single advertisement on his site, not even Google Adsense. I'll bet he was either turned down by Adsense or had his account suspended when advertisers complained about the content.

415 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:10:05am

re: #409 dragonfire1981

The congregation have a large emotional, and probably financial, investment in Dollar so it is only to be expected that they take anything he says as the truth (and anyway, aren't Christians allowed to discipline their children as they see fit).

BTW, I have seen that he changed his name from from Michael Smith.

416 Kragar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:12:59am

re: #409 dragonfire1981

OT: Pastor accused of abusing his daughter denies allegations, gets huge ovation at church

Fucking cultists.

417 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:13:23am

Hey Charles, I'm one of those unlucky ones who doesn't have an LGF subscription yet and it seems that the advertising server that delivers banner ads to LGF is running VERY slow today. I'm using Chrome and when I click any LGF link the page loads quickly, then freezes for anywhere from 5 to 10 seconds until the ads load.

I have another tab open where I'm browsing a site that doesn't have ads and it's running just fine.

418 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:14:26am

re: #415 Achilles Tang

The congregation have a large emotional, and probably financial, investment in Dollar so it is only to be expected that they take anything he says as the truth (and anyway, aren't Christians allowed to discipline their children as they see fit).

BTW, I have seen that he changed his name from from Michael Smith.

Anyone else think that Creflo Dollar sounds like it should be the name of a Hip Hop star?

419 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:16:47am

re: #414 Charles Johnson

I just realized what "Ace" is really motivated by: money. A few months back someone pointed out that he was whining about having trouble getting advertisers for his site, because of the extremely hateful posts and comments.

That's what this is really about. Notice that there isn't a single advertisement on his site, not even Google Adsense. I'll bet he was either turned down by Adsense or had his account suspended when advertisers complained about the content.

Tbogg had a post from more than a year ago recapping Ace's efforts to get commenters to clean up their language so he could get advertising, and then hilarious recaps of Ace's own misogynist filth. Can't find the original post now though, I can't remember the female reporter Ace was attacking.

420 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:17:08am

re: #310 Millicent Islam

Some lizards help me out here...who was that female reporter that Ace had the total misogynistic meltdown over? Tbogg posted about it. I think the woman's name begins with a C but I'm blanking out on it. Help!

Sorry, just got here; hopefully you're still around! I think the reporter was Contessa Brewer.

Edit: LOL jinx :)

421 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:17:28am

re: #417 dragonfire1981

Thanks for letting me know, but unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it; I don't control the ad servers.

422 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:18:39am

re: #420 Interesting Times

Sorry, just got here; hopefully you're still around! I think the reporter was Contessa Brewer.

Edit: LOL jinx :)

yes! Thank you!

423 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:18:56am

re: #421 Charles Johnson

Thanks for letting me know, but unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it; I don't control the ad servers.

If you control Twitter, you can control the Ad Servers. You're not trying hard enough, you can do it.

424 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:20:15am

re: #417 dragonfire1981

Hey Charles, I'm one of those unlucky ones who doesn't have an LGF subscription yet and it seems that the advertising server that delivers banner ads to LGF is running VERY slow today.

FLASHBLOCK! I installed the add-on for Firefox yesterday, following my horrid experience described above with the asshole data-sucking video-autoplay site. Now everything is zippy and quick :)

Flash is ugly and it wants to die. Die, flash, die, you video-autoplaying bandwidth vampire!

425 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:22:50am

This is it:
[Link: tbogg.firedoglake.com...]

Some, like Ace O’Spades, were forced to admonish their readers to "keep it down" while they lured in potential suckers advertisers:

Please, a Favor

I know I dropped the "c bomb" last week, but that was something I don’t do very often, and on top of that, I had no advertisers then.

I’m trying to get some advertisers — with the lone exception of a Killing Time ad from blog-friend Pegu, I haven’t made a dime this whole month — and so I’d appreciate if people calmed down a bit with the language.

Yes, I know I did it. I am not assigning moral fault or anything. It was my bad.

But I would appreciate it if commenters cooled it on unnecessarily obscene language and statements that might, as they say, scare the horses.

[...]

A lot of obscenity… like f-bombs and "bullshit" is barely even obscene anymore, so ubitquitous(sic) is it on the internet. The ones to watch out for are the male and female versions of the c-bomb, tossing out "bitch" unnecessarily, angry gay baiting, talk of shooting and hanging people even in jest, etc. Some political correctness there, yeah, but consider that Netflix, for example, may not want an ad running next to a post with a lot of such sentiments.

I’m not saying write like angels. I’m just asking to tone it down a little, especially when it’s just for the sake of angry venting.

But the advertisers didn’t bite and once again a great darkness fell across the land. Now MSNBC’s Contessa Brewer, in the greatest televised fraud since the moon landing, has attempted to start a race war on the teevee and this has really twisted Ace’s sheets so he has, once again, unleashed the dogs of "angry venting":

As I have noted with footnotes and authoritative citations previously, Contessa Brewer is a dirty, lying, pus-mouthed whore.

A cheap, sore-riddled nasty bit of gutterscrunge who’ll rent you her mouth for the change in your pocket.

A tawdry wallow-trollop oozing with syphilitic fester who raises her filthy skirts at the scent of crack-smoke.

A disease-dripping pincushion, the media’s vile mattress of last resort, a pathogen in garish vinyl high heels, a loose-toothed croup-breathed nightcrawler reeking of bathtub gin, fungicide, and the genetic stink of human desperation.

A skanky bit of mung-trash sloughing off diseased skin like a leprous snake. (A leprous snake who whores out her verminous cloaca for two bits a pop, I mean.)

This sad clown of a whore, oozing with foul custard and slack and sloppy as an over-used trash bag, is too stupid to know how to lie judiciously, and so lies promiscuously and wantonly, demonstrating all the discretion she once showed in junior high when her nickname was "Automatic" Brewer.

By the way: No, I don’t think Contessa Brewer really "did" this. She’s too stupid. She doesn’t have that kind of responsibility. Her job is to wear a wonderbra, eat rice pudding with a "safety spoon," blow the line producer, and read the phonetically-spelled questions someone else writes for her.

Since Ace didn’t drop the "c bomb" on Contessa, the door remains open for some advertising dollars. Possibly with eHarmony. I see great synergy there….

That Ace, he's really 'thoughtful'.

426 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:30:37am
Contessa Brewer is a dirty, lying, pus-mouthed whore

Good thing he didn't drop the C-bomb!

427 Kragar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:33:20am

re: #425 Millicent Islam

This is it:
[Link: tbogg.firedoglake.com...]

That Ace, he's really 'thoughtful'.

Context is a bitch.

428 The Left  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:37:17am

re: #427 Kragar

Context is a bitch.

Context is a c-word. :)

429 darthstar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:40:15am
430 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:41:56am

Pretty telling when a miscreant such as Ace gets worked up about a woman/women: criticism is whore based.

The worst scathing insults that can be born to a woman is whoreness with many iterations of being germ laden and unscrupulous in giving out cheaper and cheaper sexual favors. Pretty caveman.

Call it Whore Theory.

My only question... Ace, YUSOMAD?

431 darthstar  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:43:06am

Ireland v. Croatia about to start. Go Ireland!

432 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:44:48am

Man..I'm Bummed.. I feel really bad for Winston..He spent his summer vacation at Aunt Peggy's ( The zoo lady ) He had the time of his little doggie life.. And now since we got home? He sits around and just pouts..I just took him out again to get him alittle excited and going again.. He looks so bored.
Aunt Peggy ruined my dog!
So after work we are going to the Lake nearby and I'll BBQ something while Winston runs around chasing and smelling stuff. If it wasn't summer break I'd walk him around the campus so all the girls can pet him. He eats that shit up.

433 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 11:51:37am

I had to turn on the A/C; it was getting hot. It is a good thing I have it on my neighbor just cranked up his stereo.

434 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:02:19pm

re: #433 PhillyPretzel

I had to turn on the A/C; it was getting hot. It is a good thing I have it on my neighbor just cranked up his stereo.

My A/C has been running just about constantly all day.

435 funky chicken  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:06:53pm

re: #425 Millicent Islam

OK, so maybe I won't go back there to check it out again. That's really foul.

436 funky chicken  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:08:21pm

re: #430 Kronocide

Pretty telling when a miscreant such as Ace gets worked up about a woman/women: criticism is whore based.

The worst scathing insults that can be born to a woman is whoreness with many iterations of being germ laden and unscrupulous in giving out cheaper and cheaper sexual favors. Pretty caveman.

Call it Whore Theory.

My only question... Ace, YUSOMAD?

Especially since he's very fond of porn and porn references. It's one thing that turned me off to the site, in addition to the increasing stridence of the wingnuts in the comments.

437 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:11:25pm

re: #425 Millicent Islam

This is it:
[Link: tbogg.firedoglake.com...]

That Ace, he's really 'thoughtful'.

I take it the Kumbaya "Ace of Spades" drum circle has been cancelled then.

//

438 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 12:27:06pm

re: #437 Gus

I take it the Kumbaya "Ace of Spades" drum circle has been cancelled then.

//

Cancelled with extreme prejudice.

439 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 5:39:43am
The wingnut blogosphere won’t take this deadly insult lying down, of course. You can expect the crazies to start cranking out the phony persecution rhetoric any minute now.

Democrats gulagging innocent respected non-bi-partisan reporters!


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