Wingnut Blogger ‘Ace of Spades’ Deletes Hateful Tweet About Sandra Fluke

A benefit of embedding tweets at LGF: they can’t be deleted
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As noted last week, wingnut blogger “Ace of Spades” was scheduled to be honored with a “Breitbart Award” for “best blog,” because hate shines brightly in the Breitbart Galaxy.

Today I noticed that “Ace” has deleted at least one of his ugly misogynistic tweets about women’s rights activist Sandra Fluke — oddly enough, the one we highlighted in this post.

When you embed tweets at LGF, you’re basically saving a copy of the tweet. If a tweet is deleted by its author it can still be read here at LGF if it was embedded in an article, Page, or comment, but the user’s avatar picture and the reply/retweet/favorite buttons are missing; that’s how you can tell when a tweet has been deleted.

Our local copy of the tweet still contains the author’s name, their Twitter username, the tweet, and a timestamp (which links to an error page at Twitter), so it’s very useful when someone like “Ace” decides to hide something truly nasty, like this:

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‘Ace of Spades’ and Right Wing Blogosphere ‘Ethics’

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143 comments
1 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:39:22pm

I swung by there last night, there was a long article about anger which seemed directed at out of control commenters. It was interesting.

2 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:40:05pm

Gosh they hate it when they can't re-write history.

Remember, when cap and trade was a Reagan/Bush initiative and McCain/Palin ran on it?

I do.

3 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:44:44pm

re: #1 Randall Gross

Yes, we had a discussion about that in an earlier thread - I give "Ace" about a week before he starts spewing hatred again, and that's probably being generous.

4 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:45:20pm

re: #1 Randall Gross

I swung by there last night, there was a long article about anger which seemed directed at out of control commenters. It was interesting.

I liked it too.

5 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:46:25pm

Yes, time will tell whether it's real remorse or just a momentary pang of real conscience. I know there are posts I wrote when I was harder core partisan that are just freaking embarrassing and bad when looking back today.

6 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:47:14pm

Well at least he didn't say that she was from "South Whoreville" because... well, we all know what kind of women get raised south of Central ave. don't we, hmm?

/// (what do you mean stereotype?)

7 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:49:47pm

re: #5 Randall Gross

Yes, time will tell whether it's real remorse or just a momentary pang of real conscience. I know there are posts I wrote when I was harder core partisan that are just freaking embarrassing and bad when looking back today.

Of course there's no way for me to tell what's in his head and if he's going to make a genuine change. However, I did like his article and there were a few ideas I hadn't considered before. It does indicate that he has some sort of understanding of the problem. I've made some changes and I'm much happier for it. I hope he does too. I wish him luck.

8 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:50:38pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Yes, we had a discussion about that in an earlier thread - I give "Ace" about a week before he starts spewing hatred again, and that's probably being generous.

From what you and others were saying, it sounded like the same old victim-blaming "they made us do it" garbage. And as long as someone is engaged in victim-blaming, genuine remorse is impossible. To think it's there regardless is the height of foolishness.

9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:53:01pm

re: #1 Randall Gross

I swung by there last night, there was a long article about anger which seemed directed at out of control commenters. It was interesting.

Ace needs money. Nobody will advertise at his site because it's so hateful.

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:54:53pm

See, I'm a lot less likely to cut Ace some slack, because he has literally tried to destroy my reputation by falsely accusing me of plagiarism, and by repeating lies that I used PayPal info to "out" people.

I tend not to give people the benefit of the doubt when they do things like that.

11 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:55:46pm

But I can understand that if you weren't the target of these kinds of scuzzy attacks, you might not get it.

12 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:56:04pm

re: #1 Randall Gross

I swung by there last night, there was a long article about anger which seemed directed at out of control commenters. It was interesting.

He had a guy there with the nic of 'jimmah' (not related to the jimmah who posts on LGF) who went on a major rage-bender before getting the stick. Hence Ace's post: He's trying to keep his blog from turning solely into a place where haters rant.

The problem, as Charles learned, is that keeping haters and ranters from taking over a blog requires a willingness to use the ban button if the blog's cardinal rules are violated. That sounds relatively straight forward in print, but its proof can be quite hard. Sometimes people who were previously good politically go ideologically crazy. When that happens, the owner and moderators will often have to ban that person. And if that person is well-liked, banning them can cause a mass flounce, which can be death for a blog. But if you don't ban the person who has turned into a crazy, they will turn your blog to shit. It is a problem that requires strength of character to honestly confront.

13 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:05:53pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

I'm not cutting him any slack, I always distrust people who do those sorts of things. As they say for interviewing: past performance is usually a good indicator of future actions and behavior.

It is kind of a watershed moment for that whole milblogger crowd - they've been skating the edge of hate for a long while and now cant' go any further in that direction without getting wholly disrespected by a lot of the military. Meanwhile the war is winding down, and they are all secretly admiring the fact that our President is kicking ass on the real terrorists, but they have to deny that. So with peace coming they are probably wondering "whither milblogging?"

14 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:07:02pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

What were the ideas that you hadn't considered before?

15 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:07:16pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I wish him luck.

haha you do that

I'm guessing the women here are less likely to wish an abusive misogynistic lying piece of shit right wing blogger "luck"

16 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:10:40pm

re: #15 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

haha you do that

I'm guessing the women here are less likely to wish an abusive misogynistic lying piece of shit right wing blogger "luck"

That Ace. He really is thoughtful.

17 b_snark  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:11:17pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

Gosh they hate it when they can't re-write history.

Remember, when cap and trade was a Reagan/Bush initiative and McCain/Palin ran on it?

I do.

What do you get when you breed a TeaPartier with a Paulian?

An idiotic ideologue living the life fantastic in a self made narrative.

18 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:12:36pm

re: #16 Gus

Naturally, if he HAD advertisers, then he could say anything about women he wanted!

19 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:14:02pm

re: #16 Gus

That Ace. He really is thoughtful.

That didn't take long.

20 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:14:57pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Ace needs money. Nobody will advertise at his site because it's so hateful.

It hasn't stopped Rush Limbo yet.

21 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:15:14pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Of course there's no way for me to tell what's in his head and if he's going to make a genuine change. However, I did like his article and there were a few ideas I hadn't considered before. It does indicate that he has some sort of understanding of the problem. I've made some changes and I'm much happier for it. I hope he does too. I wish him luck.

I am no fan of Ace. I think he is a douche. No, I take that back, I know for a fact he is a douche.

But, we can always hope he has seen some light here.

I don't agree with your assessment of him turning a corner, but I respect your hope that he has.

22 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:15:21pm

re: #19 Randall Gross

That didn't take long.

That's from 2009.

23 b_snark  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:16:51pm

Now we're having fun, the debate is back.

24 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:17:59pm

re: #22 Gus

That's from 2009.

ahh, ok. missed the date again, I really shouldn't read blogs with my glasses off, I miss some of those small print tell tales.

25 b_snark  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:19:52pm

re: #24 Randall Gross

ahh, ok. missed the date again, I really shouldn't read blogs with my glasses off, I miss some of those small print tell tales.

If you think that's a problem, try going full 'Loesch' by turning off your brain.

26 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:19:55pm

re: #17 b_sharp

What do you get when you breed a TeaPartier with a Paulian?

An idiotic ideologue living the life fantastic in a self made narrative.

Agreed. The problem is what happens if that person didn't start out that way, or at least you didn't think they were that way. Now imagine that person who has just been revealed as a crazy has a following on your blog. Will you risk crippling your blog to save its integrity by punting the nutcase.

27 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:21:39pm

re: #20 Mich-again

It hasn't stopped Rush Limbo yet.

Yeah, but all of the advertisers who might appear at hate websites are already at Prison Planet and The Blaze.

28 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:22:08pm

re: #21 LudwigVanQuixote

I am no fan of Ace. I think he is a douche. No, I take that back, I know for a fact he is a douche.

But, we can always hope he has seen some light here.

I don't agree with your assessment of him turning a corner, but I respect your hope that he has.

Sometimes people who became crazies become politically sane again. But they always return permanently diminished, because being crazy has a stench associated with it, and that stench normally does not go away.

29 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:23:53pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes people who became crazies become politically sane again. But they always return permanently diminished, because being crazy has a stench associated with it, and that stench normally does not go away.

True, but most likely he just wants some advertising dollars. He is not exactly a reputable sort.

30 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:25:01pm

re: #21 LudwigVanQuixote

I am no fan of Ace. I think he is a douche. No, I take that back, I know for a fact he is a douche.

But, we can always hope he has seen some light here.

I don't agree with your assessment of him turning a corner, but I respect your hope that he has.

I don't think he's turned the corner. He's simply located the corner. I have my doubts he can navigate it.

31 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:26:06pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I don't think he's turned the corner. He's simply located the corner. I have my doubts he can navigate it.

Then we more or less agree.

32 b_snark  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:28:43pm

Here's a horror story:

We're the insane ones.

33 researchok  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:34:13pm

Ace fell into a classic trap.

In order to stay 'out front' and noticed he has to continually escalate the rhetoric.

There are only many ways you can repeat anything worthwhile or relevant. After that, you have a choice- stay consistent and intellectually honest or raise the intensity, rhetoric and courageousness.

Just like a lot of people on talk radio or FOX or MSNBC.

Temper tantrums are all about attention.

34 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:36:42pm

re: #33 researchok

Ace fell into a classic trap.

In order to stay 'out front' and noticed he has to continually escalate the rhetoric.

There are only many ways you can repeat anything worthwhile or relevant. After that, you have a choice- stay consistent and intellectually honest or raise the intensity, rhetoric and courageousness.

Just like a lot of people on talk radio or FOX or MSNBC.

Temper tantrums are all about attention.

Hey! Good to see you! A couple of days ago, I posted a bit on what I figure the wingnut psychology must be.

Did you see it, and do you have any additions/subtractions if so?

35 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:39:11pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes people who became crazies become politically sane again. But they always return permanently diminished, because being crazy has a stench associated with it, and that stench normally does not go away.

I've been crazy. I mean the type that has you confined to the mental health wing of a hospital and on heavy meds.

It's less fun than it sounds.

So, in some ways, when I see the wingnuts in action, I feel pity for them.

36 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:40:52pm

Here's Peter Wood on diversity:

Diversity works by stoking resentments and conjuring a false image of America as an oppressive society, one that systematically denies rights and opportunities to African Americans and other minorities. Racial inequities and personal bigotry do indeed persist in the United States and there is much to be said about the real causes, but enforced exclusion of African Americans from the opportunity to compete in the marketplace or to pursue higher education aren’t among them. The Hindenburg came to its fiery end at the conclusion of a trans-Atlantic flight in Lakehurst, New Jersey on May 6, 1937. It remains to be seen whether the lighter-than-air ship Diversity will survive its Supreme Court docking this spring.

37 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:42:33pm

Here he gets a mention at Occidental Observer:

One would have to be very naïve to think that the University of Wisconsin will be moved by the two CEO reports to mend its admissions policies; or that it will hold Vice Provost Williams and Dean [of students Lori] Berquam accountable for abusing their authority; or that it will discipline the students involved. There is in Williams’ subsequent statements a glow of satisfaction that things came off very much as he hoped. And the absence of broader press coverage points to the usual fate of such stories [i.e., the lack of coverage of the story by the major print media]. They are just too awkward to fit with the official narrative of how “diversity” enriches American higher education. When we think of diversity, we are not supposed to think of gross discrepancies in admissions standards, unfairness to applicants, and “mismatches” between admittees and institutional standards, let alone flash mobs organized to intimidate critics, or university officials purveying falsehoods to whip students into taking illegal actions. (Peter Wood, “Mobbing for Preferences,” Chronicle of Higher Education)

38 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:42:49pm

Shall I continue?

39 Mattand  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:44:57pm

You know how I'm always wondering why there are gay conservatives, despite the fact the GOP has all but told them to fuck off and die?

I'm beginning to think the same thing about female conservatives.

40 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:48:57pm

Here's one for you LVQ.

NAS President Peter Wood: wrong, dishonest or hopelessly compromised?

What would cause a senior anthropologist such as Peter Wood to stagger outside his field of expertise and launch a bitchy, personal and error-ridden attack on a climate scientist and his defender? Wrong-headedness? Ideological blindess? Great wads of Richard Mellon Scaife’s cash? What?

Well, the question must be rhetorical, unless the President of the National Association of Scholars chooses to answer it himself. According to his fields of study, Wood is an “expert” in art, aesthetics, Catholocism and culture. He neither claims nor can demonstrate the tiniest academic mastery of atmospheric physics or any other aspect of climatology.

Yet he has used his launching pad as president of the NAS (suspiciously rendered with the same acronym as the National Academy of Sciences) and a podium at the Chronicle of Higher Education to try to dismiss both Michael Mann and John Mashey as huckster fellow travellers of P.T. Barnum.

Continues.

41 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:50:10pm

Peter Wood:

Peter W. Wood is Executive Director of the National Association of Scholars. He is the author of A Bee in the Mouth: Anger in America Now (Encounter Books, 2007) and of Diversity: The Invention of a Concept (Encounter Books, 2003) which won the Caldwell Award for Leadership in Higher Education from the John Locke Foundation. He is a graduate of Haverford College, Rutgers University, and the University of Rochester, from which he received a Ph.D. in anthropology in 1987. He previously served as provost of The King’s College in new York City, and as associate provost and the president’s chief of staff at Boston University, where he was also a tenured member of the anthropology department. His essays on American culture have appeared in The National Review Online, Partisan Review, Frontpage Magazine, Minding the Campus, The Claremont Review of Books, The American Conservative, Society and other journals.

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:50:25pm

re: #39 mattand

You know how I'm always wondering why there are gay conservatives, despite the fact the GOP has all but told them to fuck off and die?

I'm beginning to think the same thing about female conservatives.

Those are two incredibly masochistic groups whose deranged psychology I can not penetrate. They are like Jews who support Hamas. I don't get them and I don't understand the delusions that make them so fucked in the head.

43 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:50:35pm

Climate change denier [x]
Diversity hater [x]

44 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:52:07pm

re: #43 Gus

Climate change denier [x]
Diversity hater [x]

Ideal member of the Republican base [x]

45 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:52:10pm

re: #36 Gus

Here's Peter Wood on diversity:

There's truth in that statement, though. And when he wrote it 9 years ago, racism was not as visible as it is now.

46 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:53:50pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

There's truth in that statement, though. And when he wrote it 9 years ago, racism was not as visible as it is now.

I strongly disagree on both counts.

47 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:54:04pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Quit making excuses for crap.

48 Mattand  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:55:06pm

re: #42 LudwigVanQuixote

Those are two incredibly masochistic groups whose deranged psychology I can not penetrate. They are like Jews who support Hamas. I don't get them and I don't understand the delusions that make them so fucked in the head.

I keep thinking that Dana Loesch is going to find out one day what a repulsive group of misogynists she's hooked up with. Everything's great now, but one disagreement and she's going to find out what her fellow conservatives think of women.

LOL'd at the Hamas line. I keep using "like being a Jewish Nazi", but it's got serious Godwin's Law baggage.

49 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:55:21pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Come on down to the South,I'll show you some stuff that might make you rethink that statement. It ain't subtle either.

50 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:57:59pm

re: #42 LudwigVanQuixote

Those are two incredibly masochistic groups whose deranged psychology I can not penetrate. They are like Jews who support Hamas. I don't get them and I don't understand the delusions that make them so fucked in the head.

Close but I think your analogy is imperfect. There are Jews who support Hamas but they are very rare and extreme examples. Many liberal American Jews support the Palestinians (which is very different than support for Hamas) and many have good reasons. Many gay Republicans can make reasonable arguments for their case if you seek them out and talk to them. You may not agree but they do have their reasons. It's not quite the same as a closeted preacher who preaches about the evils of homosexuality on Sunday and spends the rest of the week with male escorts. Those guys are pretty rare.

51 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:58:01pm

If you check this person's timeline, he's a Michelle Malkin fan (who'da thunk):

52 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:59:16pm

This is the guy that wrote that book that Ace mentioned in which he blames all of his failings on the left after reading his book, A Bee In The Mouth.

How The Left Abandoned Traditional Notions of Restraint, Reserve, and Self-Mastery In Favor Of Righteous Rage, And How The Right Has Sadly Followed Them
And: The Blog Policy On Anger

In 2004, the left fully embraced anger and hatred, calling it justified and righteous.

In 2007, a guy named Peter Wood wrote a book called A Bee In The Mouth, documenting the "New Anger," an anger no longer ashamed, but now an angry proud and preening.

He warned, presciently, that this same New Anger was a poison beginning to infect the body politic of the right.

Now. If certain people want to drink the Ace Koolaid I'm not going to stop them. I'll let people make their own bed. Frankly it all looks like a bunch of guilty feelings and hot air considering the author which forms the basis of his blog "confessional." The contention of this book is no doubt a motivating factor since it pigeon holes the left which seems to have been a bone of contention since the onset of the Occupy Wall Street protests and the subsequent "concern" shown thereafter.

53 jaunte  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 2:59:19pm

re: #40 Gus

president of the NAS (suspiciously rendered with the same acronym as the National Academy of Sciences)

The latter was founded in 1863; the former in 1987.

54 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:00:31pm

Is it possible to "spoof" a tweet?

I mean let's say I create a screen cap of some tweet Charles supposedly posted yesterday that doesn't show in his timeline and I simply say he must have deleted it soon after he posted it and that's why you don't see it anymore.

How exactly would one prove I'm full of shit and Charles never tweeted what I am claiming he did?

(bear in mind I know little about Twitter)

55 Mattand  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:00:41pm

re: #51 Interesting Times

If you check this person's timeline, he's a Michelle Malkin fan (who'da thunk):

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Continuing on a theme: I don't get Malkin either. She's first gen American. If the party she supports had their way, her folks would have been on the first plane back to Manilla

56 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:04:50pm

re: #51 Interesting Times

If you check this person's timeline, he's a Michelle Malkin fan (who'da thunk):

[Embedded content]

It's not his fault he is angry. Read the book A Bee In The Mouth by Peter Wood. You will learn that it was the left that taught us how to be angry and the right unfortunately learned from them and ran with that torch.

//

57 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:06:14pm

re: #40 Gus

Here's one for you LVQ.

NAS President Peter Wood: wrong, dishonest or hopelessly compromised?

I suppose you answered it yourself.

The National Academy of Scholars shares its initials with the National Academy of Sciences. This is not by accident. That way people can type NAS and bleed legitimacy.

Now one NAS is a scientific organization that was founded by President Lincoln to gather the best scientific thinkers in America as a scientific advisory board and as an American answer to the British Royal Society. I post many links to scientific papers published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. That is a PNAS. I even posted one today.

Irreversible climate change due to carbon
dioxide emissions

The other writes things like:

[Link: www.nas.org...]

Milestones for the NAS
Peter Wood
by Peter Wood, President

Our other signal event in 2011 was publication of the research
report The Vanishing West: 1964- 2010, which traces the decline and
near disappearance of the once ubiquitous Western Civilization survey
course. In the 1950s it was a staple in American higher education and the
backbone of the curriculum as a whole, but as we show in the report,
in the decades since the nation’s leading universities and colleges
demoted it to a general education elective and in most cases discarded
it completely...

Because you know... white people history is never taught enough at institutions of higher education. Cue the victim mobile! Gosh white folks are persecuted...

OR:

I replied on the Chronicle of Higher Education website with an
article titled “Climate Thuggery.” The comments section and a guest
editorial by one of my opponents provided some ripe examples of
what intellectual thuggery looks like these days.

Because all that fact, science, hard data and math that you get from the real NAS actually is thuggery when you are a political hack anthropologist with a racially superior agenda and who couldn't do algebra to save his worthless psuedo-intellectual life. It's a very unfair fight. Cue the victim mobile! Gosh right wing pseaudo-intellectuals are persecuted...

58 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:06:16pm

Coming up next. How the left taught the right to be racists and why the commentators at Fox News are merely expressing something they learned from the left in 2004.

//

59 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:07:07pm

re: #49 A Mom Anon

Come on down to the South,I'll show you some stuff that might make you rethink that statement. It ain't subtle either.

That's the South, and an attribute of the south that most non-southerners don't know much about. I meant the nation as a whole. The sort of hate that has been aimed at Obama wasn't visible on the right in 2003, and racism as a whole seemed to be receding.

The article in question was intended as an attack on what I shall call "Victimhood Diversity". What Wood did not foresee was how strong the growth of belief in one's victimhood would be in the coming years, becoming explosive after Obama's election.

60 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:08:44pm

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

Well damn. Thank you for expanding on that. I do believe can now see Mr. Wood's M.O. rather clearly now.

61 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:10:54pm

re: #40 Gus

Here's one for you LVQ.

NAS President Peter Wood: wrong, dishonest or hopelessly compromised?

Expertise in one field does not mean expertise in another, but experts often seem to think so. And the narrower their field of expertise the more likely they are to think this. - Robert A. Heinlein

62 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:10:56pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

That's the South, and an attribute of the south that most non-southerners don't know much about. I meant the nation as a whole. The sort of hate that has been aimed at Obama wasn't visible on the right in 2003, and racism as a whole seemed to be receding.

The article in question was intended as an attack on what I shall call "Victimhood Diversity". What Wood did not foresee was how strong the growth of belief in one's victimhood would be in the coming years, becoming explosive after Obama's election.

I'm flabbergasted. (I suppose I shouldn't be.) I know you are in the Chicago area. You must be blind.

63 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:11:22pm

re: #60 Gus

Well damn. Thank you for expanding on that. I do believe can now see Mr. Wood's M.O. rather clearly now.

You had all the bits yourself. Five will get you ten there is Koch money or something much like that involved.

64 Mattand  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:12:21pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

That's the South, and an attribute of the south that most non-southerners don't know much about. I meant the nation as a whole. The sort of hate that has been aimed at Obama wasn't visible on the right in 2003, and racism as a whole seemed to be receding.

The article in question was intended as an attack on what I shall call "Victimhood Diversity". What Wood did not foresee was how strong the growth of belief in one's victimhood would be in the coming years, becoming explosive after Obama's election.

You do have a point. Many of the Republicans and conservatives I know have some nasty racist views. They used to keep it to themselves. Since 2008 they've been unapologetically letting it all hang out.

Plus, if any group knows about crying victimhood, it's the current GOP. Watch Fox News sometime.

65 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:14:12pm

re: #61 Romantic Heretic

He isn't an expert in shit. He's a hack humanities prof with a grudge, who gets money from the right wing pseudo-intellectual bandwagon by producing legitimate sounding propaganda for them. He is no different that the "scientists' who sign petitions that AGW isn't real or that Evolution didn't happen.

OF course, when challenged with hard data and actual math his sort gets all pissy and feels very "persecuted."

66 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:18:33pm

re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote

He isn't an expert in shit. He's a hack humanities prof with a grudge, who gets money from the right wing pseudo-intellectual bandwagon by producing legitimate sounding propaganda for them. He is no different that the "scientists' who sign petitions that AGW isn't real or that Evolution didn't happen.

OF course, when challenged with hard data and actual math his sort gets all pissy and feels very "persecuted."

CLIMATEGATE!! BLARGGH!

67 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:19:01pm

I saw this at Cracked magazine today. It fits well with the conversation and it is genius.

How Ayn Rand and L. Ron Hubbard Came Up With Their Big Ideas

68 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:21:07pm

re: #63 LudwigVanQuixote

You had all the bits yourself. Five will get you ten there is Koch money or something much like that involved.

Thanks. Yeah, I sort of already made those assessments in my head but was in the middle of a somewhat frantic search and reading. The first thing I noticed was the usual NRO dog whistle about diversity. Having seen what elapsed in recent months with John Derbyshire, Robert Weissberg, and John O'Sullivan it wasn't too big a surprise. Now I'm not exactly equating Woods with them -- yet.

Overall it all comes down to right wing victimhood of sorts. Blaming the left for diversity and their assessment of diversity. Blaming left wing or scientific "thuggery" with regards to climate change. Mr. Wood even goes as far as blaming the left on anger issues.

69 researchok  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:21:23pm

re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote

Missed it- send me a link

And good to see you too, Remulak

70 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:23:33pm

re: #68 Gus

Thanks. Yeah, I sort of already made those assessments in my head but was in the middle of a somewhat frantic search and reading. The first thing I noticed was the usual NRO dog whistle about diversity. Having seen what elapsed in recent months with John Derbyshire, Robert Weissberg, and John O'Sullivan it wasn't too big a surprise. Now I'm not exactly equating Woods with them -- yet.

Overall it all comes down to right wing victimhood of sorts. Blaming the left for diversity and their assessment of diversity. Blaming left wing or scientific "thuggery" with regards to climate change. Mr. Wood even goes as far as blaming the left on anger issues.

The endless projection of these sorts also astonishes me.

71 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:25:33pm

It's All Relative: Putting Race in Its Proper Perspective
By Steve Sailer on August 2, 2002 at 1:00am

Steve Sailer writes: For the last two summers, University of California's Ward Connerly, leader of the successful 1996 Proposition 209 campaign outlawing racial preferences in California and the 2004 Racial Privacy Initiative, has hosted a small but wide-ranging conference at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. This year, he asked Boston U. anthropologist Peter Wood, author of the upcoming book Diversity: A Biography of a Concept, and I to debate the fundamental question of whether race is a biologically meaningful concept. This provided me with a wonderful opportunity to outline my approach at adequate length before a distinguished audience.

I'm sometimes complimented on being a perceptive observer of the myriad ramifications of race and asked why I notice more than most writers on the subject. I reply that it helps to have a model in your head that corresponds fairly well with how the world works. When you've got the right theory, it's easy to observe more - you can hold more details in your mind because they fit together. With that in mind, I've included links within this essay, which serves as a culmination to a decade of writing about race, to a host of articles I've written detailing various aspects of the subject. If you are interested in reading more, I've included summaries of important articles at the end.

72 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:27:43pm

re: #69 researchok

Missed it- send me a link

And good to see you too, Remulak

Well here it is so others can read it because I think it fits psychologically with the endless projection.

They know they aren't very bright...

or well educated...

or wealthy...

or young...

or handsome...

or successful with the opposite sex...

or the same sex...

In fact, pretty much everyone is smarter and has better job prospects. They used to be able to cling to some weird meme that consoled "at least I'm white." Yet, being white doesn't make anyone special, and a black president just proves that point so powerfully, that even a wingnut can't miss it.

Of course they feel persecuted. Every damn day is the persecution of realizing they are ignorant, hateful, bottom of the barrel sorts.

Of course they feel persecuted.

Of course they do.

And of course they in their limited narcissistic ways cling on to some illusion of being hunted by a great conspiracy.

Right?

In that world, the wingnut becomes a "brave freedom fighter with powerful foes..." After all, to be the object of a conspiracy, one must be important. Why they are not just important, with nothing more than a half remembered semi-education, that actually educated people sneer at, they have the true secret knowledge! They figured it out with nothing more than their Fox News decoder rings! By gum! They have the SECRETS damn it and they are important and here on the magic of the net... they ARE important! So important that all the evil liberals in the world need to band together to fight their fat headed and thick fingered typing on twitter.

That is much more attractive than reality... You know, the one where the GOP really doesn't serve the little guy at all. The one where they have to work harder for less, and the people they elect make it that way. The one where their lack of education gets them squat in a tougher job market. The one where no, they really are just old bitter fat white trash that no-one serious would give the time of day. The real world where their medieval views about gay people and women's rights are mocked. The real world where anything out of the Fox News and wingnut blogosphere just hammers in their utter failure, where no one cares about the hateful musings of ignorant, racist hicks.

73 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:28:52pm

The only reason I can think of that someone would bother to delete a post/tweet like this (given that it is hardly surprising from the author) is that the writer (Ace of Spades) regularly writes when drunk or stoned and has a modicum of sense when sober.

74 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:29:15pm

re: #64 mattand

You do have a point. Many of the Republicans and conservatives I know have some nasty racist views. They used to keep it to themselves. Since 2008 they've been unapologetically letting it all hang out.

Plus, if any group knows about crying victimhood, it's the current GOP. Watch Fox News sometime.

It is born of a belief that Obama 'played the victim card' to get elected (he didn't) coupled with with a fear of of the left liberalism Obama believes in*, a fear that soon became largely disconnected from reality and entirely irrational. It was semi-concealed during the actual campaign, if only because John McCain was (and still is) unwilling to indulge in that sort of pity party. but after Obama's election it assumed its full, most toxic form.

*: I know many people here do not view Barack Obama as left-liberal. I do, however, view him in such a light. Take that for what it is worth.

75 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:30:24pm

re: #73 Achilles Tang

Maybe, but the tweet is from March 3rd.

I publish it at LGF - it gets deleted a day later. Coincidence?

76 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:31:23pm

He gets around...

FROM: Upton Nichols

In the aftermath of the Ann Coulter debacle, the editors of National Review are obviously very eager to display their ethnic/racial tolerance—so eager that they have published an amazingly irresponsible article suggesting that science has disproven the concept of race. "The Race Card" by Peter Wood is at best an egregiously sloppy piece of journalism or more likely a classic piece of neocon propaganda—you decide.

Woods' basic premise is that the Left uses race to divide the country and obtain political power. No argument here.

He then goes on to reject the legitimacy of racial politics on the faulty grounds that racial classifications have no real biological basis. I will limit my focus to Wood's outrageous summary of The Seven Daughters Of Eve:

It offers mixed news for racists. On one hand, science has now found definite proof that humans belong to several distinct non- overlapping lineages. On the other hand, those lineages are located exclusively in mitochondrial DNA and have nothing to do with our outward appearance or ability

77 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:31:28pm

re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote

If you haven't done so yet, Ludwig, buy Among the Truthers by Jonathan Kay of Canada's National Post. Its a very good read and it provides valuable insight into how conspiracists form their delusions and why they believe them.

78 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:31:55pm

re: #76 Gus

He gets around...

That's more Vdare garbage.

79 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:32:58pm

re: #76 Gus

He gets around...

It's a small vortex, like the one in a common household plumbing fixture.

80 researchok  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:35:15pm

re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote

All true- but remember you are describing a mindset that covers the outliers of both sides.

There will always be a segment of the population that will parrot what the manipulators feed them.

The trick is to give people enough to make up their own minds. It is that scenario you find real thinkers.

Make no mistake, people know when they are being manipulated. They may agree for a myriad of reasons (group acceptance, group identification, etc) but in the end the real commitment comes from people whu have run the race.

There are a whole lot of people out there with what they believe are strong beliefs- and yet don't make it to the polls on voting day.

If you want to effect real change you have to reach the middle, not the outliers.

81 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:35:38pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

It's a small vortex, like the one in a common household plumbing fixture.

Sub-tribalism of one larger tribe. One saving grace for Mr. Wood is that apparently he's not enough of a racialist for Mr. Sailer.

82 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:36:38pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Maybe, but the tweet is from March 3rd.

I publish it at LGF - it gets deleted a day later. Coincidence?

Good point, and not coincidence. The fog was lifted by LGF.

I think there have been other examples of posts/tweets deleted after others outside the converted noticed them. I don't keep score, but it seems to be the operative style. Their target audience is known for selective memory. Mitt uses the principle daily.

83 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:36:43pm

There's more of course.

Race Cards
Their days should be over.
By Peter Wood, associate provost, Boston University
December 13, 2001 9:30 a.m.

Americans are currently enjoying an unaccustomed sense of national unity. We have so far put aside petty differences that it may be hard to remember what a racially divided year we had before September 11. It was a period of greater than usual racial gamesmanship. The race grievance politicians and the advocates of reparations for slavery played their cards. And there are ominous signs that they are waiting to play them again.

On June 8, the U.S. Civil Rights Commission issued a highly partisan report declaring that thousands of African Americans had been improperly disenfranchised in the Florida presidential elections. Abigail Thernstrom and Russell G. Redenbaugh, the only members of the panel appointed by President Bush, strongly dissented. Later in the summer, The World Conference Against Racism convened in Durban, South Africa. As the conference drew to a close the weekend before September 11, Harvard Law Professor Charles Ogletree, who co-chaired the "Reparations Coordinating Committee," announced that a team of lawyers hoped to follow up with a slavery-reparations suit against the US government and corporations. In November, the country watched a New York City mayoral election that seemed entirely dominated by racial politics.

Against this background, it might be well to take note of one of the engaging popular science books of the year, The Seven Daughters of Eve, by the British geneticist Bryan Sykes. It offers mixed news for racists. On one hand, science has now found definitive proof that humans belong to several genetically distinct, non-overlapping lineages. On the other hand, those lineages are located exclusively in mitochondrial DNA and have nothing to do with our outward appearance or abilities.

Regardless of its scientific nullity, race remains a pivotal idea in American political and institutional life. A substantial majority of Americans regard the government's use of racial categories as wrong, but the race industry hangs on, living off emoluments from jobs that are artifacts of government regulation; needling people to think of themselves primarily as members of a race; caressing the insecurities of business leaders; and always searching for that elusive high ground said to lie on the far side of the swamp of racial demagogy.

Continues.

84 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:37:08pm

re: #81 Gus

Sub-tribalism of one larger tribe. One saving grace for Mr. Wood is that apparently he's not enough of a racialist for Mr. Sailer.

So you can polish one of those! Or make it look slightly better than the next turd.

85 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:38:02pm

re: #76 Gus

There's a strong strain of this genetic racism crap on the right, and understanding how central it is to the right wing worldview was one of many reasons why I publicly jumped out of the good ship Wingnut.

I notice that Wood is on the outs with Sailer (but not really) because he argues against the Bell Curve. Ugh. These people are obsessed with "proving scientifically" that whites are superior to everyone else, so they can set policy based on it. Freaks.

86 Mattand  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:38:30pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

*: I know many people here do not view Barack Obama as left-liberal. I do, however, view him in such a light. Take that for what it is worth.

Yeah, he's the walking definition of left liberal: cut taxes, signed a bill whose rider allows people to carry guns in national parks; promoted health care reform modeled on a GOP governor's; increased deportations; increased troop levels in Afghanistan; killed Bin Laden; cut the federal workforce.

Friggin' hippie.

87 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:44:06pm

re: #83 Gus

From your link:

definitive proof that humans belong to several genetically distinct, non-overlapping lineages

Huh?
Genetically distinct to some degree, yes. Duhh.

Non overlapping? Obviously, if the genetic markers diverged and did not recombine in the distant past. Duhh.

What exactly is the point here?

88 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:46:07pm

re: #80 researchok

All true- but remember you are describing a mindset that covers the outliers of both sides.

There will always be a segment of the population that will parrot what the manipulators feed them.

The trick is to give people enough to make up their own minds. It is that scenario you find real thinkers.

Make no mistake, people know when they are being manipulated. They may agree for a myriad of reasons (group acceptance, group identification, etc) but in the end the real commitment comes from people whu have run the race.

There are a whole lot of people out there with what they believe are strong beliefs- and yet don't make it to the polls on voting day.

If you want to effect real change you have to reach the middle, not the outliers.

Truth.

89 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:49:51pm

re: #80 researchok

All true- but remember you are describing a mindset that covers the outliers of both sides.

There will always be a segment of the population that will parrot what the manipulators feed them.

The trick is to give people enough to make up their own minds. It is that scenario you find real thinkers.

Make no mistake, people know when they are being manipulated. They may agree for a myriad of reasons (group acceptance, group identification, etc) but in the end the real commitment comes from people whu have run the race.

There are a whole lot of people out there with what they believe are strong beliefs- and yet don't make it to the polls on voting day.

If you want to effect real change you have to reach the middle, not the outliers.

But at the same time, you normally need some of the outliers to supply the energy and determination the middle often lacks.

"'Moderation' is not a cry that fills the town square."

90 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:50:45pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

There's a strong strain of this genetic racism crap on the right, and understanding how central it is to the right wing worldview was one of many reasons why I publicly jumped out of the good ship Wingnut.

I notice that Wood is on the outs with Sailer (but not really) because he argues against the Bell Curve. Ugh. These people are obsessed with "proving scientifically" that whites are superior to everyone else, so they can set policy based on it. Freaks.

This goes back much further, all the way to the social Darwinism of imperialists who knew somewhere in their hearts they were being evil, but needed to be assuaged by false science to make them feel better. Then their actions were justified, even demanded by science.

If the sheet fits wear it.

OK, seriously no Godwin... Who else in recent rightwing memory was obsessed with scientifically proving their racial superiority?
They deserve the comparison, because if the armband fits, wear it.

91 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:51:15pm

re: #87 Achilles Tang

From your link:

Huh?
Genetically distinct to some degree, yes. Duhh.

Non overlapping? Obviously, if the genetic markers diverged and did not recombine in the distant past. Duhh.

What exactly is the point here?

See #85.

92 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:54:52pm

Gus.. please do your web fu... I would be very interested to find out who is paying Mr. Woods and who is paying for the n.a.s. which so conveniently shares initials with a premier scientific body.

93 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:55:40pm


94 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:57:10pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

But at the same time, you normally need some of the outliers to supply the energy and determination the middle often lacks.

There are two ends on either side of the middle. Maybe their purpose is just to get the middle to say "enough of this shit!".

"'Moderation' is not a cry that fills the town square."

I think the point is that usually moderates are the majority, if they vote.

95 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:58:48pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

See #85.

Yes, I was being sarcastic. Missed the tag.

96 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 3:59:51pm

BBL

97 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:00:27pm

re: #92 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way, I left you another reply downstairs.

98 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:00:32pm

re: #92 LudwigVanQuixote

Gus.. please do your web fu... I would be very interested to find out who is paying Mr. Woods and who is paying for the n.a.s. which so conveniently shares initials with a premier scientific body.

Quickly here's something from Wiki:

The National Association of Scholars (NAS) is a non-profit organization in the United States that opposes multiculturalism and affirmative action and seeks to counter what it considers a "liberal bias" in academia. The NAS describes itself as "an independent membership association of academics working to foster intellectual freedom and to sustain the tradition of reasoned scholarship and civil debate in America’s colleges and universities."...

Funding

NAS has been funded extensively by politically conservative foundations, including the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the John M. Olin Foundation, the Bradley Foundation, the Castle Rock Foundation, and the Smith Richardson Foundation.

99 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:01:49pm

re: #98 Gus

NAS has been funded extensively by politically conservative foundations, including the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the John M. Olin Foundation, the Bradley Foundation, the Castle Rock Foundation, and the Smith Richardson Foundation.

Or, as I prefer to call them, wingnut welfare wanks.

100 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:06:42pm

re: #98 Gus

Quickly here's something from Wiki:

Funding

NAS has been funded extensively by politically conservative foundations, including the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the John M. Olin Foundation, the Bradley Foundation, the Castle Rock Foundation, and the Smith Richardson Foundation.

Each of those also has a fascinating Wiki page.

101 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:07:14pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

Close but I think your analogy is imperfect. There are Jews who support Hamas but they are very rare and extreme examples. Many liberal American Jews support the Palestinians (which is very different than support for Hamas) and many have good reasons. Many gay Republicans can make reasonable arguments for their case if you seek them out and talk to them. You may not agree but they do have their reasons. It's not quite the same as a closeted preacher who preaches about the evils of homosexuality on Sunday and spends the rest of the week with male escorts. Those guys are pretty rare.

You miss my thrust on a number of levels.

I've also heard chickens who support Col. Sanders used as the analogy.

To be gay or black or female and support a group that sees your independence, success, education and enfranchisement as a threat is deeply counter-productive to be kind.

As to Jews who support Palestinians. Please be very careful. Most Jews, myself included, hope that Palestinians will one day live in peace with us and we take no pleasure in the suffering that war brings them. Also don't confuse that statement with those who still see military action as the best option. No one wants to just murder them all.

However, supporting Palestinians means supporting Palestinian political goals, which have little to do with peace and much to do with the destruction of Israel, the death of Jews and the eradication of our historical and holy sites. Many Palestinians want to murder all of us.

It takes a special kind of idiot to think that the suicide bomber/sniper/terrorist (who is insanely popular amongst the Palestinian on the street) is just going to see reason or behave, or that any Palestinian political organization is going to do much to control them.

102 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:09:22pm

re: #98 Gus

Quickly here's something from Wiki:

Funding

Well there you truly have it.

Right wing hacks to a person then. No respectable academic would go near them with a 10-foot pole. That is because respectable academics are supposed to be unbiased thinkers who present evidence based arguments.

103 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:10:39pm

re: #102 LudwigVanQuixote

Well there you truly have it.

Right wing hacks to a person then. No respectable academic would go near them with a 10-foot pole. That is because respectable academics are supposed to be unbiased thinkers who present evidence based arguments.

Climate change at NAS.

104 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:11:16pm

re: #102 LudwigVanQuixote

Interrupts the ranting for a brief intermission....
Hi LVQ!

105 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:11:25pm

re: #83 Gus

Because you know its white people who are persecuted...

106 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:12:05pm

re: #104 Dancing along the light of day

Interrupts the ranting for a brief intermission...
Hi LVQ!

Hey babe!

107 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:13:04pm

Gay Marriage, Climate Change, and Academic Freedom
May 22, 2012 |
Peter Wood

I oppose same sex marriage. I am agnostic on the extent to which human activities contribute to global warming or climate change and whether the phenomena themselves warrant the major economic dislocations that are proposed as remedies.

In both cases, my positions appear to be at substantial distance from the opinions that prevail in American higher education. And I hasten to add, they are my opinions, not positions taken by the National Association of Scholars. NAS has taken no position on gay marriage or global warming and by its nature can’t. It is an organization that deals with academic standards, the governance of colleges and universities, higher education finance, and public policies that affect scholarship and learning. And it has a membership of some 3,000 mostly academics whose personal views on substantive social and political issues are all over the map.

Keep reading! LOL

108 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:13:22pm

re: #87 Achilles Tang

From your link:

Huh?
Genetically distinct to some degree, yes. Duhh.

Non overlapping? Obviously, if the genetic markers diverged and did not recombine in the distant past. Duhh.

What exactly is the point here?

Mitochondrial DNA doesn't recombine via sexual reproduction, it's inherited from the mother only. In a facile way Wood is using that bit of obvious fact to say that race doesn't matter, which is true, but his real aim is to imply that persistent perception and past starting conditions do not in any way drive, determine or influence the present reality in terms of discrimination and disparate opportunities. It's a ridiculous equivocation.

109 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:13:28pm

re: #103 Gus

Climate change at NAS.

Wow, that is like a mini- heritage foundation lite.

Rather than coming up with fake math and distortions, they just don't even try... because you know, math is scary and not needed to talk about physics problems.

110 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:15:28pm

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow, that is like a mini- heritage foundation lite.

Rather than coming up with fake math and distortions, they just don't even try... because you know, math is scary and not needed to talk about physics problems.

Let me know if you can read this...

[Link: www.guidestar.org...]

That's their 2010 Form 990.

111 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:15:34pm

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, math is scary, particularly when you don't understand it!

112 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:19:39pm

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

Because you know its white people who are persecuted...

They're upset they don't have the genetic diversity of those crazy Africans.
//

113 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:20:43pm

re: #110 Gus

Let me know if you can read this...

[Link: www.guidestar.org...]

That's their 2010 Form 990.

Now that is pay dirt!

They have a $2,000,000 budget and Mr. Wood gets $160,000 a year for his "work." I'll bet that is double the salary most anthropology profs get. For certain that is more than anyone makes in climate research.

Follow the damn money.

I can't find the page where the donors are listed though. I suppose they don't need to tell us.

114 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:22:33pm

re: #113 LudwigVanQuixote

Now that is pay dirt!

They have a $2,000,000 budget and Mr. Wood gets $160,000 a year for his "work." I'll bet that is double the salary most anthropology profs get. For certain that is more than anyone makes in climate research.

Follow the damn money.

I can't find the page where the donors are listed though. I suppose they don't need to tell us.

Here's 2008 and 2009.

Both of these also show a salary of 160,000/year.

115 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:24:18pm

re: #103 Gus

Climate change at NAS.

Quoting Wood:

And global warming theory looks pretty different if one looks at the geologic record of climate oscillations,

..which is the whole point of the issue; namely that the reasons are different (aka artificial) this time around, and that by making this "agnostic" (cop out) statement he outs himself as a typical science denier.

116 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:24:33pm

re: #114 Gus

Here's 2008 and 2009.

Both of these also show a salary of 160,000/year.

Wow, it really pays to join the dark side. If some loser anthropologist can get 160,000 a year - how much do you think Heritage Foundation gives a fake climate scientist like Richard Lindzen - or good old Ivar?

117 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:26:09pm

re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow, it really pays to join the dark side. If some loser anthropologist can get 160,000 a year - who much do you think Heritage Foundation gives a fake climate scientist like Richard Lindzen - or good old Ivar?

..or a historian like the Newt?/

118 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:26:29pm

re: #115 Achilles Tang

Quoting Wood:

..which is the whole point of the issue; namely that the reasons are different (aka artificial) this time around, and that by making this "agnostic" (cop out) statement he outs himself as a typical science denier.

Yep... Just to be clear, this sham group is NOT the National Academy of Sciences, which is prestigious and very clear about the science of AGW being real and our fault.

I ask that those posting about these creeps be careful about initializing the "scholars" who clearly took that name to bleed legitimacy from a real organization.

119 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:26:43pm

Now why do we move to Spiderman just when something gets interesting?

120 Mattand  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:28:07pm

re: #119 Achilles Tang

Now why do we move to Spiderman just when something gets interesting?

Trust me, when people watch Italian Spider-man, they'll be back here. In droves.

121 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:28:07pm

re: #119 Achilles Tang

Now why do we move to Spiderman just when something gets interesting?

no reason to leave.

122 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:30:10pm

Hmm, according to Wikipedia another former Nat Assoc of Scholars* board member is William Donohue of Catholic League fame. Birds of a feather and all that.

* - Edit: Replaced "NAS" with an expansion to prevent confusion with an older organization of much better reputation.

123 jaunte  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:31:22pm

Brent Bozell is mad for Froot Loops.

124 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:31:37pm

re: #122 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Hmm, according to Wikipedia another former NAS board member is William Donohue of Catholic League fame. Birds of a feather and all that.

Indeed. I beg you though... please be careful about initializing the "scholars" who clearly took that name to bleed legitimacy from a real organization.

125 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:32:49pm

re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow, it really pays to join the dark side. If some loser anthropologist can get 160,000 a year - who much do you think Heritage Foundation gives a fake climate scientist like Richard Lindzen - or good old Ivar?

Kind of funny when you think that he's the basis for this whole anger meme. His writings seem to be ripe with anger provoking rhetoric. Especially the pseudo science observations.

126 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:33:42pm

National Association of Scholars

Major Right Wing Donors:

Sarah Scaife Foundation
The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc
Castle Rock Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation

NAS's Board of Advisors:

John H. Bunzel, Hoover Institution
Edwin J. Delattre, American Enterprise Institute
Chester E. Finn, Fordham Foundation
Gertrude Himmelfarb, Independent Women's Forum
Paul Hollander, National Review, Front Page Magazine
Harry V. Jaffa, Claremont Institute
Donald Kagan, Project for the New American Century
Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, UN Ambassador under President Reagan, American Enterprise Institute
Irving Kristol, American Enterprise Institute
Richard D. Lamm, American Reform Party
Leslie Lenkowsky, National Review
Seymour Martin Lipset, Hoover Institution
Christina Hoff Sommers, Independent Women's Forum
Shelby Steele, Hoover Institution, Manhattan Institute
Stephan Thernstrom, Manhattan Institute
James Q. Wilson, Manhattan Institute

127 jaunte  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:36:02pm

Causeless floodwaters coming through the door:

Virginia Lawmaker Says ‘Sea Level Rise’ Is A ‘Left Wing Term,’ Excises It From State Report On Coastal Flooding

State Del. Chris Stolle, R-Virginia Beach, who insisted on changing the “sea level rise” study in the General Assembly to one on “recurrent flooding,” said he wants to get political speech out of the mix altogether.

He said “sea level rise” is a “left-wing term” that conjures up animosities on the right. So why bring it into the equation?

“What people care about is the floodwater coming through their door,” Stolle said. “Let’s focus on that. Let’s study that. So that’s what I wanted us to call it.”

128 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:37:33pm

re: #122 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Hmm, according to Wikipedia another former NAS board member is William Donohue of Catholic League fame. Birds of a feather and all that.

Theologians need to call themselves Scholars. Theology without the claim to be something scholarly doesn't leave much with substance, being largely self referential, IMHO.

129 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:41:50pm

re: #127 jaunte

Causeless floodwaters coming through the door:

Virginia Lawmaker Says ‘Sea Level Rise’ Is A ‘Left Wing Term,’ Excises It From State Report On Coastal Flooding

As I recall, they also only want science based on historical trends, not anything that might suggest a change in trends. This is directly based on Wood's comment above (geologic record of climate oscillations). Same non argument, different terms.

130 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:44:52pm

re: #129 Achilles Tang

As I recall, they also only want science based on historical trends, not anything that might suggest a change in trends. This is directly based on Wood's comment above (geologic record of climate oscillations). Same non argument, different terms.

That was North Carolina - and I think I saw something in the last few days that they were backing down from that ban. In any case it's still fiddling while Rome burns - or at a minimum expecting to have the campaign contributions and lobbying job salted away before a storm obliterates a few barrier islands and brings the tuna home to roost in terms of property destruction, insurance claims that can't be covered, and an upset (if alive) citizenry.

131 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:45:44pm

re: #126 Gus

National Association of Scholars

And now your web-fu has done a masterful uncovering of the truth.

national (it isn't, just the far right lunatic fringe is represented) academy (it isn't, there is no scholarship there) of scholars (they aren't... they are just propagandist hacks) is nothing more than a front organization masquerading as a legitimate academic institution.

132 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:47:14pm

re: #126 Gus

Project For The New American Century closed its doors in 2006. And they were worried about "neo-isolationism". I think we're in greater danger of that now if Romney gets in charge than we were in the 1997-2004 time frame.

133 Gus  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 4:49:21pm

re: #131 LudwigVanQuixote

And now your web-fu has done a masterful uncovering of the truth.

national (it isn't, just the far right lunatic fringe is represented) academy (it isn't, there is no scholarship there) of scholars (they aren't... they are just propagandist hacks) is nothing more than a front organization masquerading as a legitimate academic institution.

Looks like Robert Weissberg has also written for them.

134 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:19:44pm

Btw: I'm assuming that twitter is continuing these donations of their archives to the Library of Congress:

[Link: www.loc.gov...]

135 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:20:38pm

More here:
[Link: blog.twitter.com...]

136 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:24:36pm

re: #134 Randall Gross

Btw: I'm assuming that twitter is continuing these donations of their archives to the Library of Congress:

[Link: www.loc.gov...]

I haven't mined this for information, but are there any tools available that would allow a simple human to analyse, with an understandable interface, billions of tweets?

Just reading them would take massive amounts of CPU cycles. Sounds like a job for a Google App.

137 jaunte  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:28:40pm

Monetizing ignorance:

The wages of pseudoscience

"Brace yourselves. More of this will be coming…unless more of us protest by turning off the Animal Planet channel altogether. They’ve just been rewarded for epic dishonesty with peak traffic; what lesson do you think they’ll learn from this?"

138 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:31:49pm

re: #137 jaunte

Monetizing ignorance:

The wages of pseudoscience

Oh crap... And this is why scientists can't convince most regular folks of anything. Real facts just aren't interesting to a three second attention span. Fantasies are.

139 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:33:05pm

re: #137 jaunte

Monetizing ignorance:

The wages of pseudoscience

I rather purposefully don't watch any TV other than Game of Thrones and Big Bang Theory. Sometimes just how vomit inducingly putrescent regular programming is comes as a shock.

140 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:39:18pm

As was pointed out earlier by WW, a brief Wiki search of the following makes the whole kit look and sound and smell like a joining of superpacs (although that term didn't exist when they were formed).

As LVQ has pointed out, that alone doesn't allow them to call themselves scholars; at least not in anything other than partisan politics.

One puzzling item however is that apparently the last foundation, Olin, in the list ceased donating to anything in 2005. So why are they still listed?

Sarah Scaife Foundation
The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc
Castle Rock Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation

Also, the following comment is kind of amusing:

The Castle Rock Foundation is an American conservative foundation started in 1993 with an endowment of $36.6M from the Adolph Coors Foundation.[1][2] It ranked as Colorado's 15th largest foundation by assets at the end of 2001.[3] The foundation gathered media attention during Pete Coors' unsuccessful 2004 Senate run, when opponents pointed at the dichotomy between the Coors Brewing Company's attempt to appeal to a broad audience, in particular with minorities and gay customers, while the Castle Rock Foundation was used by the Coors family to fund several conservative initiatives intent on curtailing the rights of these same customers.[4]

141 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:44:43pm

re: #137 jaunte

Monetizing ignorance:

The wages of pseudoscience

I missed that. I wonder, do they have the same owners as the History Channel? (I'm tempted to add Syfy with wrestling)

142 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 5:47:23pm

re: #125 Gus

BTW, did you find how much the board of advisors are paid?

143 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 10, 2012 6:20:32pm

re: #126 Gus

National Association of Scholars

A wretched hive of scum and villany.


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