Jeb Bush: No Place for Reagan in Today’s Crazed GOP

But don’t worry, wingnuts, he’s still blaming Obama for it
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Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, scion of the Bush dynasty, says there would be no place for the hallowed Ronald Reagan — or his father — in today’s far right Tea Party GOP.

Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush said today that both Ronald Reagan and his father George H. W. Bush would have had a difficult time getting nominated by today’s ultra-conservative Republican Party.

“Ronald Reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, as would my dad — they would have a hard time if you define the Republican party — and I don’t — as having an orthodoxy that doesn’t allow for disagreement, doesn’t allow for finding some common ground,” Bush said, adding that he views the hyper-partisan moment as “temporary.”

“Back to my dad’s time and Ronald Reagan’s time – they got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan suport,” he said. Reagan “would be criticized for doing the things that he did.” …

Bush called the present partisan climate “disturbing.”

But after this on-point criticism of the obstructionist loons who’ve taken over the Republican Party, Jeb decided he had to throw a bone to them and blame the whole thing on guess who.

And Bush also blamed President Obama for much of the conflict.

“His first year could have been a year of enormous accomplishment had he focused on things where there was more common ground,” he said, arguing that Obama had made a “purely political calculation” to run a sharply partisan administration.

Right. Why do those nasty liberals keep forcing Republicans to behave badly?

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100 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:48:33am

Seems like Jeb's into playing MBF. Hey Jeb, the president tried to focus on things that had common ground but the morons in your party's leadership were determined to not copperate from the get go. Unbelievable. In a way, a guy like Bush is worse than the nutcases because he knows there's a problem yet he continues to enable the Republican Party. At least the knuckleheads are honest about their intentions.

2 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:48:50am

He views this toxic partisanship as 'temporary?'

It's been growing since St. Reagan was president, and Reagan, his dad, his brother and even Jeb himself has benefitted from it.

Is he trying to kid us, or himself?

3 garhighway  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:49:28am

Shame on BHO. Why on Earth would he want to enact stimulus, save the automakers, and follow through on his principle domestic policy promise (health care reform) in his first year? Outrageous, I tell you!

4 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:49:43am

And it's nonsense that this toxic partisanship is only temporarily. Lest we forget the craziness thrown at President Clinton before.

5 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:51:14am

Spotted another stalker
[Link: twitter.com...]

6 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:52:55am

Of course he threw a bone to them.

Don't you know it's his DESTINY!!!! to be the next member of the Bush dynasty?

7 erik_t  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:55:34am

re: #3 garhighway

Shame on BHO. Why on Earth would he want to enact stimulus, save the automakers, and follow through on his principle domestic policy promise (health care reform) in his first year? Outrageous, I tell you!

I bet if next time Obama just tries to compromise with the Republicans, they'll react amicably and respectfully and help hammer out a middle ground that helps us move forward toward a brighter future. Also I shit unicorns.

8 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:58:38am

If nothing else, this proves that Jeb is off the Veep short list.
This is yet another old school Republican who has finally seen that the monster he helped create is out of control and threatening to bring down the whole castle.
I can sympathize but, damn, he is late in catching on to this.

9 garhighway  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:59:27am

re: #7 erik_t

I bet if next time Obama just tries to compromise with the Republicans, they'll react amicably and respectfully and help hammer out a middle ground that helps us move forward toward a brighter future. Also I shit unicorns.

If that little horn comes out wrong you could be hurtin.

10 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:01:48am

Jeb is wrong about this being temporary. I think he knows he is wrong, he is blaming BHO just to pander to the dominant nuts and hang on to what he has for a little longer.

11 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:03:20am

Jeb and others like him are guilty of the same illness. Thinking that their party's ride to the deep end is temporarily and that it's Obama's fault they're like that. Jeb should look at what happened to his own brother and how he's been treated and how he was when he had the gall not to be a dick about immigration issues.

12 allegro  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:06:37am

Honey, I'm sorry I beat the crap out of you but it was your fault for not buttering my toast all the way to the edge. When will you ever learn?

13 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:10:01am

Down with the government, vote me for government!

The current state of partisan hackery is the natural result of career politicians vying for jobs in a marketplace that is dominated by pandering to people by telling them that their worldview is the One True Path™.

14 nines09  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:11:55am

Add another delusional voice to the baying of the hounds known as the GOP. "Sure we're toxic and unable to compromise. But it's all the other guys fault.

15 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:12:44am

Jeb Bush seems to not understan that today's "ultra- conservative" republican party will nominate Mitt Romney and not "tea party favorite" Bachman. Reagan would have no problem today.

16 garhighway  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:13:04am

re: #13 GunstarGreen

Down with the government, vote me for government!

The current state of partisan hackery is the natural result of career politicians vying for jobs in a marketplace that is dominated by pandering to people by telling them that their worldview is the One True Path™.

I respectfully disagree. The "pox on both their houses" view creates a false equivalence. The two sides are NOT equal in their dishonesty.

17 Political Atheist  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:13:34am

Everyone who is convinced Jeb would be a worse President than Romney hold up your hand...

18 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:14:28am
19 Political Atheist  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:14:55am

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel

If nothing else, this proves that Jeb is off the Veep short list.
This is yet another old school Republican who has finally seen that the monster he helped create is out of control and threatening to bring down the whole castle.
I can sympathize but, damn, he is late in catching on to this.

He is late is going public, not seeing the problem. That's why he did not run.

20 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:17:46am

re: #15 EdDantes

Jeb Bush seems to not understan that today's "ultra- conservative" republican party will nominate Mitt Romney and not "tea party favorite" Bachman. Reagan would have no problem today.

Would Reagan hold a fundraiser with birther bloviator Trump?

21 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:18:29am

re: #15 EdDantes

Jeb Bush seems to not understan that today's "ultra- conservative" republican party will nominate Mitt Romney and not "tea party favorite" Bachman. Reagan would have no problem today.

It's still the same party that had Rick Santorum emerge as Romney's top rival for the nomination. A man who thinks every American child having a shot at post secondary education is snobbery or that compares homosexuality to bestiality.

22 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:19:04am

Make no mistake. If a credible right wing challenger to Romney with money had emerged, Romney would have been toast.

23 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:21:33am

re: #20 Interesting Times

Would Reagan hold a fundraiser with birther bloviator Trump?

Image: 2011_04_reaganrev.jpg

24 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:22:17am

re: #20 Interesting Times

I would hope not.

25 Mattand  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:22:24am

Jeb Bush's comments are so typical of what I guess you'd call "moderate" Republicans. They know their party is bat shit off-the-rails and it obviously bothers them. But they just can't bring themselves to say it without any qualifiers, for fear of being seen a traitor and being vilified by the Limbaugh/Fox News squawk box.

26 Political Atheist  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:23:17am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Make no mistake. If a credible right wing challenger to Romney with money had emerged, Romney would have been toast.

That would have been Jeb (perhaps) until the TP factor blew out each and every credible alternative. Hence almost nobody ran. Maybe I should say all the nobodies ran the rest stayed home.

27 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:24:29am

re: #25 mattand

Jeb Bush's comments are so typical of what I guess you'd call "moderate" Republicans They know their party is bat shit off-the-rails and it obviously bothers them. But they just can't bring themselves to say it without any qualifiers, for fear of being seen a traitor and being vilified by the Limbaugh/Fox News squawk box.

Hell he's still going to get nailed for this. Remember when Rove said that nominating nuts like O'Donnell pretty much would cost the Republicans the Senate. And how he had to apologize. They like to play MBF by saying well the Dems have moved to the left? I don't know how they can say that when Obama's health care policy is more like what Romney did in office and what Dole supported in the 90's.

28 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:25:23am

re: #26 Daniel Ballard

That would have been Jeb (perhaps) until the TP factor blew out each and every credible alternative. Hence almost nobody ran. Maybe I should say all the nobodies ran the rest stayed home.

Wouldn't call Perry a nobody but I see your point.

29 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:27:19am

Jeb is delusioinal. He's clinging to the flagstaff as the ship goes down, in the apparent hope that he can pull it back from the deep.

30 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:27:49am

What's happening here is fucking creepy.

31 erik_t  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:29:25am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Make no mistake. If a credible right wing challenger to Romney with money had emerged, Romney would have been toast.

Three or four different utterly batshit clown-show candidates each lead Romney in multiple legitimate polls before they spectacularly self-destructed in turn. He would have been a minor sidelight in the primary had there been any competent alternative.

32 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:30:12am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Hell he's still going to get nailed for this. Remember when Rove said that nominating nuts like O'Donnell pretty much would cost the Republicans the Senate. And how he had to apologize. They like to play MBF by saying well the Dems have moved to the left? I don't know how they can say that when Obama's health care policy is more like what Romney did in office and what Dole supported in the 90's.

Not to mention that sending drones and SEAL teams to kill terrorists is not exactly a stereotyped far left practice.

33 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:30:44am

re: #30 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

What's happening here is fucking creepy.

The FT ad-wall wrecks that after the (creepish) headline.

34 Mattand  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:31:05am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Hell he's still going to get nailed for this. Remember when Rove said that nominating nuts like O'Donnell pretty much would cost the Republicans the Senate. And how he had to apologize.

What's funny is Dr. Rovenstein was right and the GOP didn't care. Talk about having your creation turn on you.

They like to play MBF by saying well the Dems have moved to the left? I don't know how they can say that when Obama's health care policy is more like what Romney did in office and what Dole supported in the 90's.

I mentioned something similar on the previous thread. Dark Falcon says he views Obama as a left liberal. That's the problem right there. When you look at the stuff Obama has done over the last 3 years (starting with HCR), no rational person can say he's either to the left or liberal.

With few exceptions, every conservative I know is either in complete denial about the GOP, or they claim to be "independents" who despise Obama and whine when you criticize Republicans.

35 Political Atheist  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:31:22am

re: #30 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

NeoStalin is a lot like the old school Stalin. How far can he go?

36 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:32:09am

re: #34 mattand

What's funny is Dr. Rovenstein was right and the GOP didn't care. Talk about having your creation turn on you.

I mentioned something similar on the previous thread. Dark Falcon says he views Obama as a left liberal. That's the problem right there. When you look at the stuff Obama has done over the last 3 years (starting with HCR), no rational person can say he's either to the left or liberal.

With few exceptions, every conservative I know is either in complete denial about the GOP, or they claim to be "independents" who despise Obama and whine when you criticize Republicans.

Bernie Sanders is sort of Left.

37 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:32:48am

re: #35 Daniel Ballard

NeoStalin is a lot like the old school Stalin. How far can he go?

Not quite Stalin - yet. More of a Poo-nachet. I guess we'll see in the coming days.

38 Kragar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:33:04am

"Obama would have been just fine if only he had done everything we told him to do!" - Jeb Bush paraphrased.

39 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:33:29am

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

Not to mention that sending drones and SEAL teams to kill terrorists is not exactly a stereotyped far left practice.

He's probably the best president we've had on terrorism. I really think the right is mad that they can't use and get away with accusing him of being weak on national security.

40 erik_t  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:33:47am

re: #38 Kragar

"Obama would have been just fine if only he had done everything we told him to do!" - Jeb Bush paraphrased.

Not at all - Obama ran with a thoroughly Republican health care plan and they are trying to destroy him for it.

41 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:34:22am

re: #38 Kragar

"Obama would have been just fine if only he had done everything we told him to do!" - Jeb Bush paraphrased.

The sheriff would still be...clang.

42 Mattand  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:35:08am

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Bernie Sanders is sort of Left.

I don't know much about his voting record. I get the impression he's Independent because it makes his constituents feel they're not voting for a degenerate lib.

43 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:35:42am

re: #36 Decatur Deb

On an off-topic note, I found the other progressive Democrat in your state ;)

From her profile:

Wife, mother, grandmother. Retired bookkeeper. Political junkie that likes to watch golf and NASCAR races.

L.A. (Lower Alabama)

44 Kragar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:35:50am
45 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:36:00am

re: #42 mattand

I don't know much about his voting record. I get the impression he's Independent because it makes his constituents feel they're not voting for a degenerate lib.

Ah. Sanders is an open socialist, actually.

46 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:36:03am

re: #34 mattand

What's funny is Dr. Rovenstein was right and the GOP didn't care. Talk about having your creation turn on you.

I mentioned something similar on the previous thread. Dark Falcon says he views Obama as a left liberal. That's the problem right there. When you look at the stuff Obama has done over the last 3 years (starting with HCR), no rational person can say he's either to the left or liberal.

With few exceptions, every conservative I know is either in complete denial about the GOP, or they claim to be "independents" who despise Obama and whine when you criticize Republicans.

This guy was bellyaching about Obama this and Obama that in front of my Dad. Dad's like well I gotta ask you- you a Santorum or Romney guy. The guy in a moment of honesty admitted that Obama's probably better than either of those two. I really think Romney would make a bad president because he's too attached to business and too dismissive of government.

47 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:37:24am

re: #44 Kragar

Bryan Fischer: Women should stay home and make babies

Crazy bastard is stuck in the past.

49 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:38:28am
50 Mattand  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:39:01am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

This guy was bellyaching about Obama this and Obama that in front of my Dad. Dad's like well I gotta ask you- you a Santorum or Romney guy. The guy in a moment of honesty admitted that Obama's probably better than either of those two. I really think Romney would make a bad president because he's too attached to business and too dismissive of government.

Gee, I wonder if something "colored" this guy's reasoning about not voting for Obama.

Also: ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHH!!!!! My parents voted for Bush in '04 because he needed a second term to fix his mistakes.

And people wonder why I'm cranky...

51 Kragar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:39:57am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

More personal responsibility.

The Devil never takes responsibility for his own actions, so these brave men of god have to call him out.

///

52 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:40:14am
53 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:42:05am

re: #50 mattand

Gee, I wonder if something "colored" this guy's reasoning about not voting for Obama.

Also: ARRRGGGHHH!!! My parents voted for Bush in '04 because he needed a second term to fix his mistakes.

And people wonder why I'm cranky...

At least they didn't vote for him because he's a "good Christian man" because John Kerry worshiped the devil you know.

54 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:44:01am

re: #43 Interesting Times

On an off-topic note, I found the other progressive Democrat in your state ;)

[Embedded content] From her profile:

Ha. Probably one of those "Left in Alabama" commies. We had a meetup at the Stewart/Colbert rally.

[Link: www.leftinalabama.com...]

55 dragonath  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:44:04am

re: #50 mattand

Gee, I wonder if something "colored" this guy's reasoning about not voting for Obama.

Also: ARRRGGGHHH!!! My parents voted for Bush in '04 because he needed a second term to fix his mistakes.

I can't tell you how many people I saw before the election who didn't like Bush, but voted for him anyway because they thought it was his responsibility or something to finish the job. Like that showed him.

56 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:46:06am

re: #54 Decatur Deb

Ha. Probably one of those "Left in Alabama" commies. We had a meetup at the Stewart/Colbert rally.

[Link: www.leftinalabama.com...]

Georgia has more commies than Alabama in any case.

57 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:47:01am

re: #56 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Georgia has more commies than Alabama in any case.

SEC/NASCAR Commies.

58 Mattand  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:47:21am

re: #56 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Georgia has more commies than Alabama in any case.

Y'all have a great uprising of the proletariat to empower the average working man, ya hear?

59 Kragar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:48:53am

Romney Campaign Chair: ‘Taxpayers Really Do Want To Hear There Will Be Fewer Teachers’

SUNUNU: Let me respond as a taxpayer, not as a representative of the Romney campaign. There are municipalities, there are states where there is flight of population. And as the population goes down, you need fewer teachers. As technology contributes to community security and dealing with issues that firefighters have to deal with, you would hope that you can, as a taxpayer, see the benefits of the efficiency and personnel that you get out of that.

JANSING: But even if there’s movement to the suburbs, teachers and policemen are needed somewhere.

SUNUNU: But I’m going to tell you there are places where just pumping money in to add to the public payroll is not what the taxpayers of this country want.

JANSING: Do you think that taxpayers of this country want to hear fewer firefighters, fewer teachers, fewer police officers, from a strategic standpoint?

SUNUNU: If there’s fewer kids in the classrooms, the taxpayers really do want to hear there will be fewer teachers. [...] You have a lot of places where that is happening. You have a very mobile country now where things are changing. You have cities in this country in which the school population peaked ten, 15 years ago. And, yet the number of teachers that may have maintained has not changed. I think this is a real issue. And people ought to stop jumping on it as a gaffe and understand there’s wisdom in the comment.

Yeah, as a taxpayer, I can't tell you how happy I was when the teacher who was assigned to help with my daughter's ADHD was laid off and they lost a teacher at each grade level, making all the classes around the school even more crowded. That really made me happy, knowing they could use those tax dollars on something important, like bailing out some stockbrokers or buying planes that don't work.

60 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:51:11am

re: #58 mattand

Y'all have a great uprising of the proletariat to empower the average working man, ya hear?

When the revolution comes the exploiters will be sent into the fields to pick produce; we need the labor since the immigrants were chased out.
//

61 allegro  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:52:32am

re: #59 Kragar

Romney Campaign Chair: ‘Taxpayers Really Do Want To Hear There Will Be Fewer Teachers’

Yeah, as a taxpayer, I can't tell you how happy I was when the teacher who was assigned to help with my daughter's ADHD was laid off and they lost a teacher at each grade level, making all the classes around the school even more crowded. That really made me happy, knowing they could use those tax dollars on something important, like bailing out some stockbrokers or buying planes that don't work.

Seriously, as class sizes have increasingly grown larger Sununu is arguing that there are too many teachers for a diminishing number of kids?

62 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:52:39am

re: #59 Kragar

Romney Campaign Chair: ‘Taxpayers Really Do Want To Hear There Will Be Fewer Teachers’

Yeah, as a taxpayer, I can't tell you how happy I was when the teacher who was assigned to help with my daughter's ADHD was laid off and they lost a teacher at each grade level, making all the classes around the school even more crowded. That really made me happy, knowing they could use those tax dollars on something important, like bailing out some stockbrokers or buying planes that don't work.

What you said(former IEP student). Wonder if they think taxpayers want to hear fewer firefighters because who needs them. I'm glad they're not treating this like a gaffe though because I want Obama to slam Romney on it.

63 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:52:49am

Morning all!

It's Monday.

you?

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:53:28am

re: #61 allegro

Seriously, as class sizes have increasingly grown larger Sununu is arguing that there are too many teachers for a diminishing number of kids?

He's cherry-picking examples based on population flight -- as if all that population is fleeing the country I guess.
/

65 Kragar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:54:29am

re: #64 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

He's cherry-picking examples based on population flight -- as if all that population is fleeing the country I guess.
/

I wonder how many people leave an area because they don't have access to good schools in their current location.

66 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:54:49am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Crazy bastard is stuck in the past.

Not to Godwin the thread, but this is also straight out of the Nazi Playbook.

(still remembering the last book I read)

67 allegro  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:54:51am

re: #64 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

He's cherry-picking examples based on population flight -- as if all that population is fleeing the country I guess.
/

And bunches of old teachers are hanging around empty classrooms begging for a few kids to indoctrinate.

68 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:55:10am

re: #59 Kragar

Romney Campaign Chair: ‘Taxpayers Really Do Want To Hear There Will Be Fewer Teachers’

Yeah, as a taxpayer, I can't tell you how happy I was when the teacher who was assigned to help with my daughter's ADHD was laid off and they lost a teacher at each grade level, making all the classes around the school even more crowded. That really made me happy, knowing they could use those tax dollars on something important, like bailing out some stockbrokers or buying planes that don't work.

Waiting for our autistic grand-daughter to lose her classroom aide. When that happens the kid will have to leave school. She's made it to 4th grade. Teachers here ask parents to send toilet paper and cleaning supplies to school.

69 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:55:16am

Rift widens over plans for new Egyptian constitution

Criticizing the blueprint for the division of the seats in the 100-member body due to be picked on Tuesday, groups including the liberal Free Egyptians Party said they would not take part at all and instead would hand their seats to women, Christians, workers, peasants and others - sections of society they said had been denied representation.

70 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:55:31am

re: #63 ggt

Morning all!

It's Monday.

you?

I've never been Monday.

Thursday? Yah, I like to get hammered every once in a while.

71 Mattand  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:55:44am

re: #61 allegro

Seriously, as class sizes have increasingly grown larger Sununu is arguing that there are too many teachers for a diminishing number of kids?

They create their own reality. Having a 24 hour "news" channel reinforce it doesn't hurt, either.

72 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:56:21am

re: #48 Kragar

Creflo Dollar says the Devil was responsible for scandal that he choked his 15 year old daughter

TV Jesus peddlers are all the same, regardless of flavor.

Praise the Lord and we take Mastercard, Visa, American Express and PayPal.

/gah

73 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:56:43am

re: #60 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

When the revolution comes the exploiters will be sent into the fields to pick produce; we need the labor since the immigrants were chased out.
//

Georgia is trying prison labor again this year--onion packing. Didn't work last year. If they were smart they would only use the imprisoned Mexicans.

74 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:58:31am

I guess Romney's campaign thinks special ed is a luxury of "big government." The nerve of this self-entitled prick to act like teachers are somehow useless. Guess when you had everything like Mitt, it doesn't matter.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:00:32am

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I guess Romney's campaign thinks special ed is a luxury of "big government." The nerve of this self-entitled prick to act like teachers are somehow useless. Guess when you had everything like Mitt, it doesn't matter.

I'm waiting for the SuperPac to pop up stating that "every school should be Sunday School".

76 allegro  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:04:01am

It's all part of their desire to privatize education for the profits just like for-profit prisons. It will actually increase taxes but as long as those taxes go into their pockets, it's a good thing.

77 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:04:27am

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Romney telegraphed this awhile ago, but I'm still kind of in shock at how far to the right he's swinging. Being anti-public-education, anti-fireman, anti-police-- the GOP is quickly becoming the party of anarcho-Capitalists, except with a deep theocratic tinge to it.

I can't tell if the whackjob religion is driving the selfish assholery or the selfish-assholery is driving the whackjob religion.

78 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:04:37am

What I remember from Jeb in Florida is changing the law so that motorcycle riders don't need to wear helmets. It's a personal freedom thingy. Of course they also only need to have $10,000 in insurance, and many have none, so he might just as well have said he thinks everyone else should pay for their brain injuries. (He doesn't like the individual mandate either, damned socialist/).

I'm surprised he didn't eliminate car seat belts also. Is there a difference?

Oh, and the other thing is he eliminated the emissions testing for older cars. I guess he isn't bothered by air quality since Florida has plenty of breeze to blow it away./

79 allegro  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:05:24am

re: #77 Obdicut

I can't tell if the whackjob religion is driving the selfish assholery or the selfish-assholery is driving the whackjob religion.

I'm growing increasingly convinced that they are one and the same.

80 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:05:39am

Slightly OT, but my education and worldview on social and political aspects of American history are currently being broadened by reading David McCullough's _Truman_.

Nothing quite like a Pulitzer Prize winning bio of a US President who made some big time decisions. Plus the chapters completed so far on his family background and life in Missouri are informative as well. Independence, MO has its own social hierarchy and de facto aristocracy; by race, with sub-divisions at the top by religion.

81 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:05:55am

Speaking of privatizing schools, I read about what's happening in Louisiana. That scares me. Education should be one of the things that give us all a chance to compete. And then to read that one of these schools has no library but spends their money on their sports teams. It's madness.

82 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:07:14am

re: #80 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Slightly OT, but my education and worldview on social and political aspects of American history are currently being broadened by reading David McCullough's _Truman_.

Nothing quite like a Pulitzer Prize winning bio of a US President who made some big time decisions. Plus the chapters completed so far on his family background and life in Missouri are informative as well. Independence, MO has its own social hierarchy and de facto aristocracy; by race, with sub-divisions at the top by religion.

His MiL looked down on him for being less off and a Baptist if I recall. Excellent book btw. It's a large part of why HST is my favorite modern president.

83 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:11:20am

If we're going to have to hear about how Obama thinks the private sectror is doing fine. Let's call out Mitt for being the real out of touch dimwit that he is.

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:12:07am

re: #15 EdDantes

Jeb Bush seems to not understan that today's "ultra- conservative" republican party will nominate Mitt Romney and not "tea party favorite" Bachman. Reagan would have no problem today.

You really think you know the situation better than Jeb Bush on this issue?

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:13:37am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

His MiL looked down on him for being less off and a Baptist if I recall. Excellent book btw. It's a large part of why HST is my favorite modern president.

The last biography I read before starting this one was on MacArthur. Talk about a contrast in backgrounds and personalities.

86 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:13:51am

re: #84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

You really think you know the situation better than Jeb Bush on this issue?

I'm not sure Bachmann is a real person.

I think I've heard Romney might be.

87 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:18:06am

re: #85 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The last biography I read before starting this one was on MacArthur. Talk about a contrast in backgrounds and personalities.

Re: Macarthur and Truman, I still remember what my grandfather told me when he finally opened up about his experiences during the Korean War towards the end of his life. He said he was happy as hell when Truman fired Mac. I've always been a big admirer of General Marshall. I actually commute not too far from where he lived.

88 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:18:09am

re: #55 Be Zorch, Daddio

I can't tell you how many people I saw before the election who didn't like Bush, but voted for him anyway because they thought it was his resposibility or something to finish the job. Like that showed him.

Same kind of silly thinking that gave Scooter a bunch of votes from people who "don't like what he's done" but said recalls weren't legitimate. WTF? A million signatures is illegitimate?

89 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:19:24am

re: #63 ggt

Morning all!

It's Monday.

you?

T - 67 hours 41 minutes.

90 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:21:08am

re: #89 William Barnett-Lewis

T - 67 hours 41 minutes.

You are that far behind Monday?

91 b_sharp  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:23:02am

re: #90 ggt

You are that far behind Monday?

His head blows up then.
(moving, you know how it is)

92 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:23:28am

re: #91 b_sharp

His head blows up then.
(moving, you know how it is)

Yes, it sucks.

93 dragonath  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:25:57am

re: #88 William Barnett-Lewis

Yep. And those worried about the cost of the recall will have cost the state far, far more that money can quantify.

94 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:26:10am

re: #84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

You really think you know the situation better than Jeb Bush on this issue?

Yes I do. I can read.

95 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:27:26am

It's migraine time again for me.

I really don't like this "phase" of my life.

96 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:27:32am

re: #94 EdDantes

Okay. Many of Reagan's positions-- such as raising taxes, giving amnesty to undocumented aliens, massive expansion of the federal government, and, in general, compromising with Democrats, are completely unpalatable to the GOP of today. Why do you feel that Reagan would fit in with the modern, Grover Norquist, Ayn-Randian GOP?

97 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:28:07am

re: #91 b_sharp

His head blows up then.
(moving, you know how it is)

Moving Van arrives. Arghhhhh!!!!

BBL. Gotta go drop our ragged front steps flag off at a Boy Scouts facility where they dispose of them appropriately.

98 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:30:35am

bbl

99 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 4:22:37pm

Did Jeb Bush explain how exactly President Obama ran a sharply partisan administration? Does he not recall the party of no, aka Republicans, who said no to every dang thing President Obama tried to pass in his first couple of years in office? Has he heard about how Repubs got together while President Obama was being inaugurated and vowed to destroy his presidency?
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Jeb needs to keep it real.

100 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 4:45:34pm

I think Jeb Bush just threw the part in at the end so as to not burn all his bridges with the GOP. If he wants to gain control of this party run amok someday he'll need some boots on the ground, so the slice of baloney he tossed out there was just enough to reassure the base that he hasn't left the fold. The earlier part about Reagan not being welcome anymore in the GOP was the body shot that was the crux of his message. Cudos to Jeb for stating the obvious.

And Jeb was exactly right about Reagan and George HW Bush. For some inexplicable reason the GOP/Tea Party hold Reagan up as a patron Saint of conservatism even though he would fail their litmus test today and he wouldn't even make it through the first few primaries.


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