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FL Gov Rick Scott Halted From Purging Voters From Rolls

Florida Election Supervisors refuse to remove legal voters.
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Being a resident of this state. I’m beyond flabbergasted by this man. No bid contracts, drug testing the poor, humiliating himself (and thereby the rest of us) in Europe, but this one tops it.

Governor Rick Scott [Link to Miami Herald] has submitted a list of 2,700 names of people - “potential noncitzens” - that he says are illegal voters and wishes to purge them from the Florida roles. The problem is that 514 have already been found to be lawful citizens. Most of the rest had no backup information at all, and contained duplicate IDs and the names of already removed voters, including three dead people. Also, out of all those people, only 40 have been identified as noncitizens and four are felons - the only two groups who legally are prohibited from voting.

Thank goodness Florida election supervisors are having none of it and have stopped the procedure.

Miami-Dade Election Supervisor Penelope Townsley says, “‘I find the state’s Non-Citizens Match list to be unreliable and insufficient, on its own.’

‘We’re just not going to do this,’ said Leon County’s elections supervisor, Ion Sancho, one of the most outspoken of his peers. ‘I’ve talked to many of the other supervisors and they agree. The list is bad. And this is illegal.’

Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner says he wants Homeland Security (federal) to provide him with names from the immigration database, but the feds won’t do it. So Detzner just decided to submit a list anyway.

Part of the issue is that the immigration database is not immediately updated when someone becomes a citizen even if they hold proper documentation. Meanwhile, they usually register to vote as soon as they become citizens, but can still appear as “noncitizens” on the rolls.

I’m not against purging the rolls of people who are not eligible to vote, but this is outright careless, at best and illegal, at worst. Further, there is concern among Democratic, liberal and minority-rights groups that 87 percent of those on the “potential noncitizens” list are minorities. Go figure.

This is one thing that must be done right in order to preserve our democracy. Not that our crook governor has any desire to preserve democracy.

Two other things, Dentzer has now inspired a noncitizen voter-purge movement in North Carolina and met with their Secretary of State there last Friday. I don’t know what became of that.

And while it’s frenzied up the Tea Party here in Florida,

‘We’re going to keep the pressure on, all over the state,’ said Billie Tucker, co-founder of the First Coast Tea Party in Jacksonville. ‘We want noncitizen voters prosecuted. We don’t know how many are out there.’

Scott’s ratings have severely tanked to a dismal 31%. At least there’s one silver lining on this cloud of doom and depression.

Several polls have shown now that Rick Scott would lose in 2014 if Charlie Crist became a Democrat and ran against him but our newest survey finds that Democrats might not need that high of a profile candidate to knock off Scott, at least if he remains this unpopular. 5% of voters in the state have a positive opinion of State Senator Nan Rich. Only 14% have even heard of her. And despite that she still leads Scott by 12 points in a hypothetical match up, 47-35.

Obviously that finding has a lot more to do with Scott than it does with Rich. His approval rating has sunk back down to 31%, with 56% of voters disapproving of him. One thing that hasn’t done his popularity any favors lately is his push to eliminate some people from the voter rolls. Only 34% of voters approve of that effort to 50% who disagree with it.

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1 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:31:06am

persekushun!!

2 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:20:13am

Congrats on this page (whose information is extremely important) being promoted! Too bad you can't update it with the following photo:

Rick Scott, Lord Voldemort

3 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:23:18am

Agh- Wish I could be surprised but I am not.

4 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:24:38am

Oh, it gets better. Scott's decided that, in response to the election supervisors choosing not to be his patsies, he'll just sue the DHS in order to get them to allow the state access to a database that he contends is even more accurate than the "sure-fire" list the purge is precipitated on. But DHS has responded that even that database is not accurate and has holes in its data.

Thankfully, the DoJ's decided they're not having any of it and are suing Florida over Scott's ill-conceived "purge." And three election supervisors have declared so far that, no matter what Scott's lawsuit produces, they won't resume the purge.

5 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:26:45am

Voter suppression seems to be one of the few tactics the Republicans have left in their arsenal. Unfortunately for them, it is in direct conflict with their Hispanic outreach ambitions.

6 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:27:04am

So, what did Scott do in Europe to further humiliate himself?

7 garhighway  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:27:51am

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

So, what did Scott do in Europe to further humiliate himself?

I heard he threw poo at the Queen.

8 erik_t  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:29:04am

re: #4 Targetpractice

TORT REFORM!!!1

9 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:34:31am

Let's see. The state admits that their lists aren't accurate, so they're asking to use the DHS lists, which the DHS admits aren't accurate either.

And that DHS list is what Florida's Gov. Scott wants to use to purge the rolls of ineligible voters (felons/noncitizens) even as his own lists are inaccurate and disenfranchise hundreds of people who are otherwise entitled to vote.

If none of these lists are updated daily and are truly reliable, they shouldn't be used to disenfranchise those who are legitimately entitled to vote. I understand the need to purge the rolls of those who aren't legitimately entitled to vote (the felons, noncitizens), but these measures seem to disenfranchise far more people than should be tolerated. With no procedures in place to make sure that those who Scott disenfranchises even though they are legally entitled to vote (those who have become naturalized citizens for instance), the Scott position doesn't work to do anything other than disenfranchise voters who have every right to vote.

Of course, Florida knows all about voting controversies and how every county seemed to have its own rules and no one could get a handle on things. It's no better now, and Scott's proposals make things far worse by

10 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:41:48am
‘We’re going to keep the pressure on, all over the state,’ said Billie Tucker, co-founder of the First Coast Tea Party in Jacksonville. ‘We want noncitizen voters prosecuted. We don’t know how many are out there.’

Less government! //

11 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:45:12am

re: #10 Bulworth

Less government! //

What a bunch of paranoid bullshit but that's the Tea Party for you. Whine about "big government" and then try to use it to suppress voters. They have no proof whatsoever that non-citizens are voting, none. Just their paranoid xenophobic fantasies.

12 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:45:58am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

The Tea Party is only concerned about out of control government spending and regulation. //

13 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:47:19am

re: #12 Bulworth

The Tea Party is only concerned about out of control government spending and regulation. //

Government hands off my medicare and into minorities and gays lives.

14 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:52:20am
15 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:52:41am

re: #9 lawhawk

I've heard some try the weak defense of "They can contest the decision!" But really, how many folks can afford to do so? I don't know many poor folks who could afford to lose one or more days from work just to fight it out in court. And if you're missing documents, like misplacing your birth certificate, then you're now looking at spending money out of pocket to get copies, fighting bureaucrats on that, before you can even have your day in court.

16 gwangung  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:53:56am

re: #15 Targetpractice

I've heard some try the weak defense of "They can contest the decision!" But really, how many folks can afford to do so? I don't know many poor folks who could afford to lose one or more days from work just to fight it out in court. And if you're missing documents, like misplacing your birth certificate, then you're now looking at spending money out of pocket to get copies, fighting bureaucrats on that, before you can even have your day in court.

Given that voting is a right, not a privilege...

Why is the burden on the citizen and not the state?

18 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:59:36am

re: #17 ShaunP

OT:

Fox Nation: Your Site for Boobs, Outrage, and Racist Remarks About Alicia Keys' Hips

Awesome...

I'm convinced that all you have to is post about a black person and the nutheads on FoxNation go bizerk. Nothing wrong with Alicia Keyes. She's a talented and attractive woman. And Empire State of Mind with Jay-Z is one of the best tributes to one's home city out there.

19 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:00:18am

re: #16 gwangung

Given that voting is a right, not a privilege...

Why is the burden on the citizen and not the state?

Because those that aren't using such measures as a means of voter suppression are instead absolutely convinced that "voter fraud" is something more than a myth and so have decided that stomping all over the voter rights of the many is okay so long as they stomp out the "voter fraud" at the same time.

20 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:16:50am

re: #17 ShaunP

OT:

Fox Nation: Your Site for Boobs, Outrage, and Racist Remarks About Alicia Keys' Hips

Awesome...

That's how it goes at FoxNation ... the only site that lets men quake about America's doom while playing with themselves!

Indeed. And Alicia Keys rocks, if I may say so.

21 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:18:17am

re: #16 gwangung

Given that voting is a right, not a privilege...

Why is the burden on the citizen and not the state?

But voting isn't a right to teabaggers and birchers.

22 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:18:29am

Why is anyone surprised? It's Florida, the national capitol of crooked democracy and vote manipulation.

23 Kronocide  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:19:57am
It's like Huffington Post meets Maxim meets the John Birch Society, all soaked in Mountain Dew.

EPICWININTERNETZ.

24 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:23:11am

re: #15 Targetpractice

I've heard some try the weak defense of "They can contest the decision!" But really, how many folks can afford to do so? I don't know many poor folks who could afford to lose one or more days from work just to fight it out in court. And if you're missing documents, like misplacing your birth certificate, then you're now looking at spending money out of pocket to get copies, fighting bureaucrats on that, before you can even have your day in court.

Also, this (from the link at the top):

The Department of Justice last week said the state’s purge came too late. Under a federal law commonly known called “motor voter,” state purges must end 90 days before a federal election — May 16 this year. (The Florida state primary is Aug. 14.)

One's day in court should come before the election, or the voter suppression wins anyway.

25 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:17:43am

We could institute a mandatory national ID card system. One that would also serve as a voter registration card, as well as proof of citizenship and legal residence.

Problem solved.

Takers anyone?

26 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:23:52am

re: #5 wrenchwench

Their outreach to Latinos only extends to the ones who will vote Republican -- like older Cubans. Everyone else is illegal and should get out.

27 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:59:36am

Oh hey! I was wondering what happened to the post LOL

Thanks, Charles!

28 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 12:08:18pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

So, what did Scott do in Europe to further humiliate himself?

He humiliated King Juan Carlos of Spain.

[Link: blogs.miaminewtimes.com...]

King Juan Carlos I is feeling the fallout of one of the biggest controversies of his life for going on an elephant hunting trip in Botswana. It's a touchy subject in the country right now. Scott is on a trade mission to Spain this week and met with the King, and all the guv wanted to talk about was this hunting trip to Botswana. The king was not amused, and now the exchange has become a source of political comedy in Spain.

It was revealed in April that the king had taken a hunting trip to Botswana, a fact that was uncovered when he had to fly home to Spain after injuring his hip. One in four Spaniards is currently unemployed, and his subjects didn't appreciate the king's extravagant ways. A picture also emerged of the king holding a gun next to a dead elephant. Juan Carlos is the honorary president of the Spanish branch of the World Wildlife Foundation, so the trip reeked of hypocrisy. He is generally popular, but the trip went over like a lead balloon in Spain and had some people talking about abdication. The king has since apologized.

Now the scandal is the absolute last thing the king wants to talk about. However, Rick Scott apparently heard about the story but not the controversy.

"I've ridden elephants. I've never tried to shoot one," was literally the first words out of Scott's mouth as he entered the room to meet the king.

There's video footage of Scott pressing the issues over and over.

29 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 12:29:12pm

re: #25 Expand Your Ground

We could institute a mandatory national ID card system. One that would also serve as a voter registration card, as well as proof of citizenship and legal residence.

Problem solved.

Takers anyone?

Um... nothing says Big Brother like a National ID card.

Here's an article from that liberal, commie, socialist group, the ACLU.

5 Problems with National ID Cards

[Link: www.aclu.org...]

Reason #1: Terrorism - A national ID card system would not solve the problem that is inspiring it.

Reason #2: An ID card system will lead to a slippery slope of surveillance and monitoring of citizens.

Reason #3: A national ID card system would require creation of a database of all Americans.

Reason #4: ID cards would function as "internal passports" that monitor citizens' movements

Reason #5: ID cards would foster new forms of discrimination and harassment

30 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 12:44:05pm

re: #22 GunstarGreen

Why is anyone surprised? It's Florida, the national capitol of crooked democracy and vote manipulation.

I gave you the lone upding. I've been a Florida voter for 30 years and was here during the 2000 debacle. In my precinct alone, dozens of bags of ballots were "lost". Weeks after the election, they were still finding uncounted absentee ballots stuffed in filing cabinets. Broward County Elections Supervisor Miriam Oliphant didn't lose her job for no reason.

I say now "What's done is done." Everyone else yells at me for bringing up old conspiracy theories. They may be old, but they aren't theories.

Governor Scott and his Republican cronies learned from Jeb Bush how to suppress voters. We don't have hand stamped election cards anymore so now they have to get creative.

They are deliberately targeting Democratic groups - immigrants. Redistricting favors Republicans. Although Scott won the governorship from Sink over a very slim margin (49%/48%) that's still 49% of voters that thought a crook who presided over the largest medicare fraud in history could govern a state.

When I stop and think about all this, I start to weep for a country I no longer recognize.

31 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:20:15pm

Good stuff, mm. Congrats on the promotion to the front page.


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