Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller to Appear Alongside EDL’s Tommy Robinson

Worldwide “Counter-Jihad Alliance” to launch with Stockholm demonstration on August 4
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Note: This is a press release from the hate group Stop Islamization of Nations.

Worldwide Counter-Jihad Alliance to Launch with Stockholm Demonstration on August 4
By Stop Islamization of Nations
Published: Tuesday, Jun. 12, 2012 - 2:46 am

NEW YORK, June 12, 2012 — /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The first worldwide counter-jihad initiative will begin August 4 with the First Annual Global Counter Jihad rally in Stockholm, Sweden. Representatives from Stop Islamization of Nations (SION), Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), Stop Islamisation of Europe (SIOE), the English Defence League (EDL), and allied groups will speak.

English Defense League

The Global Counter Jihad rally will feature the president of SION and executive director of SIOA, Pamela Geller, as well as SION Vice President and SIOA associate director Robert Spencer. Also speaking will be the EDL’s Tommy Robinson, SIOE’s Anders Gravers, and other worldwide leaders from official Stop Islamization and Defence League groups.

Robert Spencer (Left) and Pamela Geller (Right)

“The conference,” said Geller in a statement, “heralds the launch of a worldwide counter jihad alliance. Freedom fighters from Europe and America, as well as India, Israel, and other areas threatened by jihad, will at last be working together and forming a common defense of freedom and human rights.”

Tommy Robinson of the English Defense League (EDL)

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1 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:36:06am

I don't think this disclaimer:

This section contains unedited press releases distributed by PR Newswire. These releases reflect the views of the issuing entity and are not reviewed or edited by the Sacramento Bee staff. More information on PR Newswire can be found on their web site. You can contact the service with questions or concerns here.

is enough reason for the Sacramento Bee to publish a press release from any old scumbag who writes one and pays PR Newswire to distribute it for them. Am I wrong?

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:41:55am

EDL: We celebrate the creeps our grandfathers defeated.

Seriously? Have they ever thought this one through?

3 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:42:54am

re: #1 wrenchwench

I think Pam has posted the same press release on her site. It looks like she's made nice with the EDL and is openly supporting them again. The first comment objects to the EDL but everybody else seems fine with it so far.

4 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:45:31am

re: #2 Mostly sane, most of the time.

EDL: We celebrate the creeps our grandfathers defeated.

Seriously? Have they ever thought this one through?

Peter Hitchens and Pat Buchanan have laid the intelectual framework for that. Essentially they claim Hitler was spiffy and the allies mistreated him until he was forced to go apeshit and take over Europe. They claim it was all our fault in the first place.

5 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:45:54am

re: #2 Mostly sane, most of the time.

EDL: We celebrate the creeps our grandfathers defeated.

Seriously? Have they ever thought this one through?

Of course they have. But because the EDL are "anti Islamism" they're okay with Spencer and Geller.

6 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:47:16am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Peter Hitchens and Pat Buchanan have laid the intelectual framework for that. Essentially they claim Hitler was spiffy and the allies mistreated him until he was forced to go apeshit and take over Europe. They claim it was all our fault in the first place.

I've seen that paleocon re-writing of history. It's a load of shit where those like Churchill who condemned Nazi aggression are the bad guys and Hitler and the Nazis are just misunderstood.

7 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:48:22am

That was quick. Thanks Charles.

Hat tip goes to Matthew Goodwin who Tweeted:

He's a good follow for topics on extremism.

8 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:48:24am

The Bee gives a link to the logo, but doesn't show it. Is it just me, or does that have a hint of Odin's Cross built in? Actually, more than a hint.

9 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:49:22am

Anyhow, what KT is illustrating is why I dislike paleo-cons more than I do neo-cons.

10 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:49:40am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

they claim Hitler was spiffy
Well,,, if you ignore that whole "take over the world" and Holocausts and just focus on the younger, struggling artist,, well then,,,, yeah!!

/// HUGE!!

11 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:50:40am

Oops. Charles can you please fix "Continue reading at the Sacrament Bee." Seems like I'm missing an "o".

12 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:52:19am

Damn, I'm super busy today and can't stay, but good work, Gus! I'll have to come back to it later.

13 garhighway  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:52:24am

re: #10 sattv4u2

they claim Hitler was spiffy
Well,,, if you ignore that whole "take over the world" and Holocausts and just focus on the younger, struggling artist,, well then,,, yeah!!

/// HUGE!!

And those great roads he built. Don't forget those.

14 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:52:29am

re: #11 Gus

Oops. Charles can you please fix "Continue reading at the Sacrament Bee." Seems like I'm missing an "o".

As penance, say three Hail Marys and four Our Fathers

15 Kronocide  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:53:12am
Freedom fighters from Europe and America, as well as India, Israel, and other areas threatened by jihad, will at last be working together and forming a common defense of freedom and human rights.

Ah yes, a war to protect our rights. Thankfully we have these freedom fighters watching over us. Just like the Germans needed protection from the Jews.

These people have succumbed to a putrid ideology and are drunk with their notoriety in espousing it, exploiting others with anger lacking outlet.

Vile, vile people.

16 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:53:16am

See--I can kind of understand the descendants of the Confederates trying to defend great-great-great-grandpa. They're wrong, but I can understand why you would want to make out that your ancestors weren't bad people.

But these guys, with their reich salutes, are celebrating the very people who tried, really hard, to kill their (the EDL) grandparents. AND LOST.

Makes you wish grandpa could come back and smack them on the back of the head a few times while explaining a thing or two.

17 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:54:38am

re: #8 wrenchwench

The Bee gives a link to the logo, but doesn't show it. Is it just me, or does that have a hint of Odin's Cross built in? Actually, more than a hint.

Wow, look at that. Yes, the logo definitely is reminiscent of the neo-Nazi Odin's Cross.

That's the hate symbol that so many right wingers refused to believe was a hate symbol when all this first began being an issue at LGF -- despite the fact that it's openly used by white supremacists all over the world.

Remember when we had people here frantically trying to deny the meaning of that symbol? Some of those hateful creeps are the same ones who now stalk me relentlessly around the Internet.

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:56:49am

re: #8 wrenchwench

The Bee gives a link to the logo, but doesn't show it. Is it just me, or does that have a hint of Odin's Cross built in? Actually, more than a hint.

I deeply, deeply hope they intended it as a compass.

Barring that, I deeply, deeply, hope they meant it as a simple cross, although the problems start to mount up steeply at that point, like the foothills of Everest they mount up.

Barring that, I'm going to go and get another cup of coffee and cry into it.

19 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:56:49am

re: #16 Mostly sane, most of the time.

See--I can kind of understand the descendants of the Confederates trying to defend great-great-great-grandpa. They're wrong, but I can understand why you would want to make out that your ancestors weren't bad people.

But these guys, with their reich salutes, are celebrating the very people who tried, really hard, to kill their (the EDL) grandparents. AND LOST.

Makes you wish grandpa could come back and smack them on the back of the head a few times while explaining a thing or two.

I don't get either but racism and prejudice are powerful tools.

20 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:57:10am

re: #10 sattv4u2

they claim Hitler was spiffy
Well,,, if you ignore that whole "take over the world" and Holocausts and just focus on the younger, struggling artist,, well then,,, yeah!!

/// HUGE!!

///Now Hitler there was a painter, he could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon, TWO COATS!

21 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:58:01am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Wow, look at that. Yes, the logo definitely is reminiscent of the neo-Nazi Odin's Cross.

That's the hate symbol that so many right wingers refused to believe was a hate symbol when all this first began being an issue at LGF -- despite the fact that it's openly used by white supremacists all over the world.

Remember when we had people here frantically trying to deny the meaning of that symbol? Some of those hateful creeps are the same ones who now stalk me relentlessly around the Internet.

That frantic, futile defense opened my eyes to what kind of people we were dealing with here.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:58:06am

re: #16 Mostly sane, most of the time.

See--I can kind of understand the descendants of the Confederates trying to defend great-great-great-grandpa. They're wrong, but I can understand why you would want to make out that your ancestors weren't bad people.

But these guys, with their reich salutes, are celebrating the very people who tried, really hard, to kill their (the EDL) grandparents. AND LOST.

Makes you wish grandpa could come back and smack them on the back of the head a few times while explaining a thing or two.

It is bizarre. The grandsons of the righteous victors are imitating the losers.

I wonder what Dr. Who could do with that.

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:59:18am

re: #20 jamesfirecat

///Now Hitler there was a painter, he could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon, TWO COATS!

He could dance the pants off old Churchill!!

A while back someone did a study of Hitler, Churchill and Eisenhower as painters. I read a review. Sounded interesting.

24 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:02:04am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

The SION logo incorporates the reverse of the NATO logo (the blue/black portion of the logo is swapped with the white/light portion) at the center of the crossed O. That they've then crossed it in the middle of the O does make it appear as an Odin's cross, which is more than a bit ironic (seeing how NATO was founded to deal with the Soviet threat after WWII when the Allies came together to beat the Nazis who used the Odin's cross as one of their symbols).

25 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:02:33am

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not holding my breath. The public face of haters and their groups always present a more polite image in a press release than what's really going on in there. If you could be a fly on the wall at the meetings, you'd be a fly on the wall getting sick to your stomach.

Shun the haters. Old school backs turned, can't find a restaurant to serve them or a newspaper to show them shunning.

26 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:02:58am

Did anyone ask Odin what he thinks of all this? Did he give permission for his cross to be used?

27 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:03:09am

Meanwhile, Robert Spencer is now a writer for PJ Media.

[Link: lgf.bz...]

Boy, do I have a story about this. I may do a post, in fact.

28 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:03:36am

re: #26 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Did anyone ask Odin what he thinks of all this? Did he give permission for his cross to be used?

He's sending Thor to hammer these asshats.

29 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:04:15am

re: #24 lawhawk

The SION logo incorporates the reverse of the NATO logo (the blue/black portion of the logo is swapped with the white/light portion) at the center of the crossed O. That they've then crossed it in the middle of the O does make it appear as an Odin's cross, which is more than a bit ironic (seeing how NATO was founded to deal with the Soviet threat after WWII when the Allies came together to beat the Nazis who used the Odin's cross as one of their symbols).

A "compass rose."

30 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:07:01am

re: #29 Gus

That's true. The NATO logo is a compass rose. It was the first one I thought of when seeing the SION logo, and that was probably intentional on their part too.

31 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:07:45am

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm going to go and get another cup of coffee and cry into it.

Instead, I'll have mine with just a dash of cream please (tears in coffee are too salty for my taste!!)

32 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:09:13am

What's up with the Nazi salutes? Isn't Gellar Jewish? She's comfortable with those type of people? They look like skinheads.

33 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:11:42am

re: #32 Patricia Kayden

What's up with the Nazi salutes? Isn't Gellar Jewish? She's comfortable with those type of people? They look like skinheads.

Meet Pamela Geller. Yes, she's Jewish. Yes, she considers those Nazis her friends, or at least her allies. No, I can't explain it, except for the damage that hate can do to one's brain. Alcohol doesn't help, either.

34 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:18:14am

re: #30 lawhawk

That's true. The NATO logo is a compass rose. It was the first one I thought of when seeing the SION logo, and that was probably intentional on their part too.

Back in the late 70's/ early 80's I was staff member of a competitive drum and bugle corps that used something similar as it's logo

[Link: www.oocities.org...]

35 dragonath  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:18:44am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I dunno how England keeps collecting so many right wing historians.

Niall Ferguson is another, almost Buchanan-lite. He believes that Germany was the most anti-militant country prior to World War I. Which is false, if you know anything about Prussian imperialism.

Oh they might have had the most socialists before the war but that didn't stop it.

36 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:21:07am

re: #32 Patricia Kayden

What's up with the Nazi salutes? Isn't Gellar Jewish? She's comfortable with those type of people? They look like skinheads.

Pamela Geller's last rant in defense of the SIOA/E and the presence of the EDL and the Nazi salutes:

The libel blogger sanctions the evil of this century's nazis by demonizing the free men fighting the scourge of Jew hate, muhammadanism, sharia law and Islamic supremacism. There were no nazi salutes, just lizard libelous lies.

Of course a Google image search reveals otherwise and the neo-Nazi element within the EDL has been well reported.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:21:52am

The trouble people like Pam seem to have is an inability to multi-task. Once they get the 'global jihad' concept into their heads, they divide the world neatly into the good guys and the bad guys. If you agree with them about global jihad, you, by definition, cannot be the bad guys, so all sorts of scum like the EDL get swept into good favor, and anything against them won't be believed, or will be excused.

If you disagree with them, even to a point, about global jihad (I believe it's out there, just not, for example, that every Muslim in the world is a witting or unwitting agent of it, that the Muslim Brotherhood has taken over the LAPD, or that eating a halal turkey is a victory for the caliphate), you become the enemy, and anything good, sane, or upstanding you may do is for naught, because, you know, jihadis under the bed.

There is, in fact, an exact left-wing equivalent of this nightmare behavior, which I saw in action first. This does not make the right-wing version any less bizarre looking.

I also know a lady who went from the extreme left-wing version of this to the extreme right-wing version of this in about two years flat. She says the scales have dropped from her eyes. I think she's changed her worldview without actually learning to do critical thinking.

39 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:24:15am

re: #35 Be Zorch, Daddio

I dunno how England keeps collecting so many right wing historians.

Niall Ferguson is another, almost Buchanan-lite. He believes that Germany was the most anti-militant country prior to World War I. Which is false, if you know anything about Prussian imperialism.

Oh they might have had the most socialists before the war but that didn't stop it.

Yeah that's a pretty crazy claim on Ferguson's part.

40 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:25:20am

re: #38 Gus

There's also the matter of Mitt Romney's foreign policy adviser, John Bolton and his professional relationship with Pamela Geller.

"Not the words I would have used." So help us if Romney is elected and he gives Bolton a top spot in his diplomatic corps.

41 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:26:46am

LGF Irrelevance Watch - Politico: Jeb Bush Comments Have Blogs in Uproar

“[A]fter this on-point criticism of the obstructionist loons who’ve taken over the Republican Party, Jeb decided he had to throw a bone to them and blame the whole thing on guess who [Obama],” wrote Charles Johnson at the progressive blog Little Green Footballs.

The last time Tim Mak quoted me in Politico, LGF was a "liberal" blog. Now we've become "progressive." They do love their labels.

42 Mattand  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:30:57am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

LGF Irrelevance Watch - Politico: Jeb Bush Comments Have Blogs in Uproar

The last time Tim Mak quoted me in Politico, LGF was a "liberal" blog. Now we've become "progressive." They do love their labels.

Here's hoping he cracks open his thesaurus and discovers the word "rational" for LGF.

43 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:32:29am

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it goes to seeing the world in black and white, and that it's so much easier to view things through a yes/no blinders worldview than to understand that the world is a whole lot more complex than that.

Under Geller's reasoning, President Bush was inadequate because he didn't treat all Muslims as the enemy, even as the President was going after the Islamic terror groups responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

Likewise, besides her batshit crazy theory that Obama is Malcolm X's love child (and a closet Muslim to boot), ignores the fact that President Obama has carried ahead with the war against Islamic terrorists, up to and including taking out OBL, Awlaki, and countless other al Qaeda and affiliated terrorists.

But because the President (or any of us) do not think that all Muslims are the enemy, we're somehow traitors to everyone else.

Add to that her willful and purposeful alliance/affiliation with the EDL and their white supremacist/neo Nazi background, and you've got someone whose put together a truly misguided endeavor.

Rather than focusing on the real injustices here, they've decided that a clash of civilizations is warranted, and ignoring that the white supremacists and neo Nazis likely see her as little more than a useful idiot for their own purposes (which likely include using her to legitimize their own standing - eg. hey if a Jew can stand with us, we can't be all that bad).

44 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:32:53am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

LGF Irrelevance Watch - Politico: Jeb Bush Comments Have Blogs in Uproar

The last time Tim Mak quoted me in Politico, LGF was a "liberal" blog. Now we've become "progressive." They do love their labels.

Liberal to progressive that fast? That's a huge jump in Soros radiation emissions.

45 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:34:12am

re: #44 The Ghost of a Flea

Liberal to progressive that fast? That's a huge jump in Soros radiation emissions.

I think you have to be a progressive to run a gulag.

47 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:35:22am

re: #46 Kragar

Derbyshire: Foreigners Are Like Seasoning, Put in Too Much and You Ruin the Soup

And racists are like cockroaches. It only takes one in the soup to turn my stomach.

48 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:36:13am

re: #46 Kragar

Derbyshire: Foreigners Are Like Seasoning, Put in Too Much and You Ruin the Soup

Kind of like foreigners named John Derbyshire but that's more like piss in my soup.

49 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:36:44am

re: #46 Kragar

Derbyshire: Foreigners Are Like Seasoning, Put in Too Much and You Ruin the Soup

The weakness of this argument is that British soup is generally fucking terrible. There's a reason mulligatawny got invented.

50 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:36:46am

re: #45 wrenchwench

I think you have to be a progressive to run a gulag.

Stalin wus a progressive, lefttard!//

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:37:19am

re: #46 Kragar

Derbyshire: Foreigners Are Like Seasoning, Put in Too Much and You Ruin the Soup

‘Less than 1.5 percent of middle-class white women and about 3.0 percent of lower-class white women are sexually attracted to black men.’

If ABL will forgive me for stealing her schtick, there's also a Dumb Statistics Mine in the Cottonfield of Ignorance.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:38:36am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Kind of like foreigners named John Derbyshire but that's more like piss in my soup.

Can we trade him for a better spice?

53 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:38:52am

re: #44 The Ghost of a Flea

Liberal to progressive that fast? That's a huge jump in Soros radiation emissions.

I'm just warning everyone--if it's over 9000, we all turn into Super Marxists.

54 Kragar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:39:39am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Kind of like foreigners named John Derbyshire but that's more like piss in my soup.

"He has a point about foreigners ruining things." - Sitting Bull (citation needed)

55 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:39:48am

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

Can we trade him for a better spice?

Hopefully.

56 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:39:50am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Stalin wus a progressive, lefttard!//

Speaking of Stalin:

In February 2011, she [Pamela Geller] spoke favorably of Soviet leader Josef Stalin's forced relocation and genocide of Chechen Muslims after World War II, arguing – wrongly – that they were allied with Adolf Hitler. Historians say Chechens were fighting to preserve their own freedom and culture.

Source.

57 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:41:18am

re: #56 Gus

Speaking of Stalin:

Source.

She's also defended many a member of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia too in her revisionist nonsense of the genocide in the Balkans.

58 Kragar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:43:28am

3 times now:

Gingrich: ‘Yes,’ Romney’s Policies Will Lead To ‘Fewer Teachers’

During an interview with CNN’s John King on Monday evening, Romney campaign surrogate Newt Gingrich defended Mitt Romney’s resistance to hiring “more firemen, more policemen, more teachers” and admitted that the former Massachusetts governor’s policy would lead to less teachers in the classroom:

KING: The president says use federal dollars to help. Governor Romney says no. [...]

GINGRICH: We have to come to grips with how big the challenge is, and does that mean there will be fewer teachers? The honest answer is yes. Does it mean that you’re not going to get quite the same pension plan people have been getting? The honest answer is yes. President Obama may say well, we can borrow our way out of that decision. I don’t think the American people agree with him.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:44:12am

The blogger Derbyshire links to for the number of white wimmin who like black men is a treat too. I liked this part:

Finally, one must consider the class and economic status of the white women engaging in these affairs. We've all seen the fat, low-class white women who have no recourse but a chubby-chasing black man, so it behooves us to distinguish between the largely desirable middle-class girls and the fat and stupid lower-class.

61 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:45:33am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

The blogger Derbyshire links to for the number of white wimmin who like black men is a treat too. I liked this part:

Finally, one must consider the class and economic status of the white women engaging in these affairs. We've all seen the fat, low-class white women who have no recourse but a chubby-chasing black man, so it behooves us to distinguish between the largely desirable middle-class girls and the fat and stupid lower-class.

I wonder what fat ass Heidi Klum thinks of that. //

62 Kragar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:46:11am

The capitalist in me wonders how much money I could make selling "Free Brievik" t-shirts at the SIN/EDL rally.

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:46:24am

re: #58 Kragar

3 times now:

Gingrich: ‘Yes,’ Romney’s Policies Will Lead To ‘Fewer Teachers’

They really need to slam Romney hard on this. This is a great opening to show that Romney doesn't value education and first responders.

64 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:46:53am

@MJayRosenberg has blocked @viciousbabushka. He's all butthurt because I called him a dweeb?

65 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:47:31am

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

‘Less than 1.5 percent of middle-class white women and about 3.0 percent of lower-class white women are sexually attracted to black men.’

If ABL will forgive me for stealing her schtick, there's also a Dumb Statistics Mine in the Cottonfield of Ignorance.

Of course he's worried about black men and white women, not vice versa.

66 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:48:03am

I checked in on our friends from Gates of Vienna this morning. If I correctly interpret Fjordman's mind numbing wall of text he's decided to not testify for the defense in the Breivik trial.

67 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:48:32am

re: #64 Learned Mother of Zion

@MJayRosenberg has blocked @viciousbabushka. He's all butthurt because I called him a dweeb?

lol! That's so much nicer than the things I call him.

68 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:50:01am

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

Can we trade him for a better spice?

No.

White people are apparently the MSG of the racial cupboard.

69 Kragar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:51:56am

White House Official Says Drug Addiction Is A Public Health Issue, Not A Crime

Gil Kerlikowske, President Obama’s top adviser on drug policy and director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, gave a speech yesterday arguing for the treatment of drug addiction as a public health issue, not a crime. “Drug addiction is not a moral failing on the part of the individual, but a chronic disease of the brain that can be treated,” said the White House drug czar. Kerlikowske argued that the paradigmatic shift in policy focus is necessary because an emphasis primarily on incarceration and the criminal status of drug users fails to treat the problem by disregarding prevention, treatment, and recovery:

But how would we support our growing private prison industry if we can't throw someone in jail for 10 years over an ounce of weed?

70 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:52:16am

re: #58 Kragar

3 times now:

Gingrich: ‘Yes,’ Romney’s Policies Will Lead To ‘Fewer Teachers’

Of course, Willard then goes on Fox this morning and splits hairs over his comments, calling it "absurd" to accuse him of wanting fewer teachers. Why? Well, because the federal government doesn't employ them, so how can he fire them?

Remind me again, who is the one who's "out of touch"?

71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:56:01am

re: #70 Targetpractice

Of course, Willard then goes on Fox this morning and splits hairs over his comments, calling it "absurd" to accuse him of wanting fewer teachers. Why? Well, because the federal government doesn't employ them, so how can he fire them?

Remind me again, who is the one who's "out of touch"?

Voting for Willard is what's absurd not calling him out on what he actually says. Sorry Mitt, you insinuated that hiring more teachers, cops, and firefighters was big government. Either explain what the hell you mean or flip flop like you always do when confronted with a difficult issue.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:57:00am

Iran claims designing nuclear submarine

Iran has taken "initial steps" to design its first nuclear-powered submarine, a deputy navy commander claimed in an interview with the Fars news agency published on Tuesday.

"Initial steps to design and build nuclear submarine propulsion systems have begun," Admiral Abbas Zamini, the technical deputy navy chief, told the agency.

"All countries have the right to use peaceful nuclear technology, including for the propulsion system of its vessels," he said.

Iran's navy "needs the (nuclear-powered) propulsion system to succeed in realising very long-distance operations."

He did not provide further details.

Heh. I wonder if will look like this masterpiece?

Image: RTR2ILQQ.jpg

73 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:59:28am

A kid I'm tutoring tried to use Meatloaf's "I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That)" as an example of a paradox.

How the hell does a 14 year old kid from Harlem even learn about Meatloaf?

74 Kragar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:00:17am

re: #70 Targetpractice

Of course, Willard then goes on Fox this morning and splits hairs over his comments, calling it "absurd" to accuse him of wanting fewer teachers. Why? Well, because the federal government doesn't employ them, so how can he fire them?

Remind me again, who is the one who's "out of touch"?

Just like he never fired that guy Grenell. He just made it so uncomfortable for him to work in the campaign, he quit on his own.

Passive aggressive much?

75 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:01:12am

re: #74 Kragar

Just like he never fired that guy Grenell. He just made it so uncomfortable for him to work in the campaign, he quit on his own.

Passive aggressive much?

Come now, you're not using the correct newspeak term. Grenell "self-deported" himself from the Romney staff.

//

76 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:01:32am

re: #54 Kragar

Wait. Wasn't that Geronimo who said it? No wait. Cochise. Tecumseh ... the list is endless.

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:02:11am

"Progressive" is a positive term. Stalin was a socially conservative anti-progressive.

78 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:03:51am

re: #76 lawhawk

Wait. Wasn't that Geronimo who said it? No wait. Cochise. Tecumseh ... the list is endless.

It wasn't Atahualpa. He was too busy being garroted.

79 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:04:08am

re: #77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

"Progressive" is a positive term. Stalin was a socially conservative anti-progressive.

Very restrictive anti-abortion and birth control laws and policies on gays that are more closer to the religious right than President Obama and the left, yes?

80 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:04:19am

re: #72 NJDhockeyfan

Probably a whole lot worse. They've had problems coming up with minisubs that could rival the drug lord subs, let alone anything bigger or more complex, like a nuclear powered submarine.

The Iranians have never built a full-sized diesel electric submarine but have decided to leapfrog directly into a nuclear powered submarine, even though a diesel sub would be more than adequate in the Persian Gulf's littoral waters. Nuclear sub would mean such cost that it makes little sense to pursue that at a time when they're already facing all kinds of sanctions on dual use materials.

Then, there's the real fallout if the sub fails.

81 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:05:07am

re: #73 Obdicut

He's a bat out of hell? /

82 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:05:51am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Very restrictive anti-abortion and birth control laws and policies on gays that are more closer to the religious right than President Obama and the left, yes?

Plus jingoism and ethnic xenophobia.

83 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:07:00am

re: #80 lawhawk

Probably a whole lot worse. They've had problems coming up with minisubs that could rival the drug lord subs, let alone anything bigger or more complex, like a nuclear powered submarine.

The Iranians have never built a full-sized diesel electric submarine but have decided to leapfrog directly into a nuclear powered submarine, even though a diesel sub would be more than adequate in the Persian Gulf's littoral waters. Nuclear sub would mean such cost that it makes little sense to pursue that at a time when they're already facing all kinds of sanctions on dual use materials.

Then, there's the real fallout if the sub fails.

Judging by the photo-shopped pictures and fake videos they have released about their missile program, the sub photos will be amazing to see.

84 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:07:48am

re: #82 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

Plus jingoism and ethnic xenophobia.

Yep.

85 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 1:29:28pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

The Bee gives a link to the logo, but doesn't show it. Is it just me, or does that have a hint of Odin's Cross built in? Actually, more than a hint.

I think not, WW. I see the NATO symbol in that cross. It makes a bit of sense for a US-Euro derpfest.

[Link: www.nato.int...]

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 1:52:04pm

re: #73 Obdicut

A kid I'm tutoring tried to use Meatloaf's "I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That)" as an example of a paradox.

How the hell does a 14 year old kid from Harlem even learn about Meatloaf?

YouTube. Kids who are interested can learn a lot about music they wouldn't have been exposed to in another generation. And the current kiddos like classics.

87 Lidane  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:25:28pm

re: #46 Kragar

Derbyshire: Foreigners Are Like Seasoning, Put in Too Much and You Ruin the Soup

Fucking repellent. Of course, he's openly racist and white supremacist, so why should I expect anything else?


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