PJ Media Comments for Robert Spencer: ‘All Muslims Are Terrorists and Must Die!’

Where Robert Spencer goes, the bigotry and hatred follow
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Today at PJ Media, hate group leader Robert Spencer turns in another exercise in blatant bigotry: PJ Media » Is Michael Bloomberg Secretly a Muslim?

He’s only “kidding,” of course. He doesn’t really think Michael Bloomberg is a secret Muslim.

He just thinks Bloomberg is acting like a Muslim, and we know what that means to Robert Spencer. The point of his article is to argue again that America urgently needs laws to protect us from imminent shariah takeover by the real secret Muslims.

The real question, then, is not so much whether Bloomberg is secretly a Muslim — of course he isn’t — but whether Islamic law is inherently totalitarian and inimical to the spirit of respect for individual rights upon which this nation was founded. And despite all the increasingly frantic mainstream media attempts to obscure Sharia’s true contents and nature from the American people, it is increasingly clear that it is. Sharia legislates for every aspect of human life, such that the pious Muslim faces no ethical difficulties, no moral dilemmas, no hard choices, no tough judgment calls: everything is set out for him to the last detail, and all he need do is obey. This results in a stunting of the moral character that leads not only to the atrophy of the individual’s abilities of ethical discernment, but also to a diminishment of both the value of the individual and the power of the individual in society. Human beings are not individual moral actors, but only subjects of the authoritarian power, who directs them in every detail of how to behave. The human will is cheapened, and human life itself is cheapened.

This is a key reason why anti-Sharia laws in the U.S. are so urgently needed. The United States at its founding accorded an extraordinary and largely unprecedented respect for the individual; the struggle against Sharia is yet another episode in the never-ending war of the bullying authority against the individual will. What played out in National Socialist Germany, as well as in the Soviet Union and other Communist states, will play out again in America as we decide in the coming months and years how much Islamic law we’re going to accommodate, and when (if ever) we’re going to resist the imposition of more: the struggle between the individual and the collective.

And the comments for Spencer’s nasty little screed are just as hateful and sickening as you might expect, advocating mass deportations and genocide.

Well,if you want to stick your unclean,midieval,barbarian ass in the air like some kind of punk wanting to be mounted by an alpha male by bowing down to a meteorite in the middle of the Arabian desert so you can honor an illiterate mass murdering pedophile who claimed to be the messenger for some obscure Arabian moon ‘god’,then who am I to judge?….personally,I use a page from the koran every time I have to take a mohammed….it’s just sooo much softer than Charmin

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Simply put WE DONT TRUST Muslims – end of story, if we were smart in USA we would deport ALL NON-Resident Muslims including those i univesity. YOUR history of slavery, torture of women & children has not changed since 1700′s

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If you want to practice this abomination go back to any of the 7th century hellholes you already have and stay there!

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May all who worship the false prophet Muhammad (a thousand curses be unto his pig name) be slaughtered like the sub-human scum they are. I spit on your false prophet. The bottom of my feet are prettier than his ugly face. All muslims are terrorists and must die!

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403 comments
1 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:09:55am

How does one 'act like a Muslim', other than actually bowing towards Mecca and holding the bacon?

Dumbass bigots.

2 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:10:30am

Yep, walking in Jesus's shoes . . . . .

/gah

3 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:13:21am

If they really want to do something about terrorism and Islamist rule, the US Army and Marine Corps have recruiting offices in every city, town, and suburb. Come on, "patriots!" Put your signatures where your keyboards are!

4 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:15:48am

Can you imagine Spencer embedded with US troops in Afghanistan? How about Pam? I will say no more.

5 allegro  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:16:17am
Sharia Christianity legislates for every aspect of human life, such that the pious Muslim Christians faces no ethical difficulties, no moral dilemmas, no hard choices, no tough judgment calls: everything is set out for him to the last detail, and all he need do is obey. This results in a stunting of the moral character that leads not only to the atrophy of the individual’s abilities of ethical discernment, but also to a diminishment of both the value of the individual and the power of the individual in society. Human beings are not individual moral actors, but only subjects of the authoritarian power, who directs them in every detail of how to behave. The human will is cheapened, and human life itself is cheapened.

There.

6 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:16:46am

Those of you that retweet this, please tag it #pushback

I'm trying to establish that as an anti bigotry content marker.

7 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:16:48am

This about the same mayor (Bloomberg) who, along with NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly authorized an extensive intel operation to spy on Muslims and Muslim groups in New Jersey and outside the boundaries of New York City and which may have been in violation of Handschu guidelines. The original Handschu guidelines required a 3-judge panel to issue warrants, but in 2003, that was reduced to a 1-judge panel, allowing the potential for mischief. I'd argue that it's time to bring back the 3-judge panel to reduce the chances of chicanery. It wouldn't stop the NYPD from conducting this surveillance, but they'd have to prove the necessity of their actions to the satisfaction of the panel.

Yeah, Bloomberg's a secret Muslim alright.

Or.... Spencer is an ignorant hack.

I'm going to go with the latter.

8 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:19:19am

re: #7 lawhawk

It's simply a variant of the McCarthyist "If you are trying to rein us back, you are obviously one of them as well." ploy.

:p

9 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:19:20am

I only agree with the "must die" part, since we're all mortal. But I suspect RS meant something else.

10 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:19:41am
Biblical Sharia law legislates for every aspect of human life, such that the true Christian pious Muslim faces no ethical difficulties, no moral dilemmas, no hard choices, no tough judgment calls: everything is set out for him to the last detail, and all he need do is obey.

Fxd

11 TheSwedish  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:20:01am

Since Roger L. Simon recently went full Birther on his own blog, ([Link: bit.ly...] Spencer's rise at PJM should surprise absolutely no one.

12 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:20:13am

re: #5 allegro
Damn, beat me to it.

13 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:20:28am

Remember that I said PJ Media's owner was nervous about letting Robert Spencer write for the site? This is why. They were afraid of comments like these.

Now they don't even blink at them.

If you have a Facebook or Twitter account, please help get the word out about this.

14 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:22:17am

bbl

15 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:22:50am
This results in a stunting of the moral character that leads not only to the atrophy of the individual’s abilities of ethical discernment, but also to a diminishment of both the value of the individual and the power of the individual in society.

Who or what is to blame for the stunting of Spencer's moral character and atrophy of his ethical discernment? No one is more stunted and atrophied than he is.

16 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:26:16am

heh.

Image: File:Herblock1950.jpg

62-year-old cartoon. But it somehow seems quite familiar.

17 simoom  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:27:56am

Sort of related, on the anti-Muslim bigotry front:

Christian missionary group with pig's head taunt Arab-Americans at Dearborn festival

Tensions flared Friday evening at the annual Arab International Festival in Dearborn as members of some Christian missionary groups — including one called the Bible Believers — taunted Arab Americans with a pig’s head and signs that promoted hatred of Islam.

“You’re gonna burn in hell,” one missionary shouted at a group of young Arab-American boys listening to him speak on Warren Avenue, where the festival takes place.

The festival continues today in Dearborn, but the members of the Bible Believers won’t be there because they’ll be protesting a gay festival in Ohio, said Arab Festival organizers.

The three-day festival is the largest public gathering of Arab-Americans in the U.S.; it has drawn Christian missionaries for years, but in 2009, some become more aggressive, leading to arrests and legal feuds.

...

The Bible Believers also protested at last year's Arab Festival, holding up both anti-Muslim and anti-Catholic signs and causing one Arab-American Muslim girl to cry.

About a dozen with the group stood facing the festival on Friday with signs that made bigoted remarks about Islam and its prophet, Mohammed. One of the missionaries had a pig’s head mounted on a pole that he displayed in front of his group. Muslims don’t eat pigs because their faith teaches that the animal is unclean.

Some of the signs the missionaries held read: "Islam is a religion of blood and murder" and "Muhammad (Islam's prophet) is a ... liar, false prophet, murderer, child molesting pervert."

Image: Christian protesters on Friday at the Arab International Festival in Dearborn.

18 iossarian  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:29:25am

re: #17 simoom

Those guys look real Christian.

19 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:33:17am

Almost 120,000 Christians pledge to vote for Jesus Christ as president this November

In a "Say No to Satan" campaign led by Bill Keller, who claims that he is "the world's leading Internet evangelist" because of his LivePrayer.com website, Christians are pledging to write in Jesus Christ for president this November.

Heh. Someone might want to tell them He doesn't plan to come down from the Heavens and move in to the WH.

20 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:33:37am

When are Spencer and Geller finally going to get it through their thick skulls that it is already too late. Everyone in the entire country except them have already been replaced by those that accept Sharia as the law as the land.

Don't they realize what those large plant pods waiting for them outside their doors are really for? They are simply the last hold-outs from becoming Sharia pod people, but we will get them soon enough...Muwhahahahaha!!!


///hey, it is less farfetched than Spencer's rant if you stop and think about it. ;)

21 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:34:27am

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Almost 120,000 Christians pledge to vote for Jesus Christ as president this November

Heh. Someone might want to tell them He doesn't plan to come down from the Heavens and move in to the WH.

I hope they vote for Him for every office in every election until such time as they get a clue and join us here on Planet Earth.

22 AK-47%  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:34:39am

The US already has all the anti-Sharia legislation it needs: the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

23 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:34:50am

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Almost 120,000 Christians pledge to vote for Jesus Christ as president this November

Heh. Someone might want to tell them He doesn't plan to come down from the Heavens and move in to the WH.

There may be an issue with the birth cert. /

24 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:35:08am

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Almost 120,000 Christians pledge to vote for Jesus Christ as president this November

Heh. Someone might want to tell them He doesn't plan to come down from the Heavens and move in to the WH.

Don't they know he's ineligible?

25 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:35:33am

re: #22 Expand Your Ground

The US already has all the anti-Sharia legislation it needs: the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

If Spencer were to admit that, he'd be out of a job.

26 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:35:48am

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Which Jesus Christ? There's so many.

27 allegro  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:36:05am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Don't they know he's ineligible?

Then there's whole dead thing...

28 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:37:22am

Bloomberg does a policy that Spencer doesn't like therefore "he's acting like a Muslim." Yes this is your expert in Islam, right wing, front and center who may as well be wearing a clown nose and spurting water at teh rest of us. Seriously Spencer's a god damned clown and lunatic. That he and Pamela Geller pal up with fascists seems only fitting.

29 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:37:28am

re: #26 lawhawk

Which Jesus Christ? There's so many.

I like the first one:

Jesus H Christ
S Gregg St
Columbia, SC

30 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:38:32am

re: #27 allegro

Then there's whole dead thing...

That is still in dispute.

31 AK-47%  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:39:25am

re: #23 abolitionist

There may be an issue with the birth cert. /

Wouldn't matter even if they produced the original parchment, there would be issues about the way the vellum was "layered".

32 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:40:17am

re: #27 allegro

Then there's whole dead thing...

or the trinity- can't be god and president at the same time.

33 allegro  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:40:20am

re: #30 EdDantes

That is still in dispute.

Good point. There are serious questions that he ever existed at all.

34 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:40:57am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Don't they know he's ineligible?

He must be a write in for The Church Of What's Happening Now Party.

35 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:43:45am

re: #33 allegro

Good point. There are serious questions that he ever existed at all.

You are so right. You cannot trust those ancient documents which refer to him.

36 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:48:28am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Don't they know he's ineligible?

It will be a huge uphill battle to prove He was born in the United States.

37 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:48:55am

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

It will be a huge uphill battle to prove He was born in the United States.

And the 'father' field is smudged all funny. Clearly a forgery.

38 freetoken  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:48:58am

Psychiatrists maintain Norwegian killer is sane

Psychiatrists have strongly defended a report which claims that Norway's confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik was sane last year during a bomb attack and shooting spree that left 77 people dead

[...]

Sane, but very, very hateful.

39 Lidane  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:51:27am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Don't they know he's ineligible?

Didn't you know? The white, blue eyed blonde Republican Jesus was born on the 4th of July in Kansas and loves God, apple pie, and America. He also likes guns and ammo and deporting liberals.

40 freetoken  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:52:10am

If Jesus becomes President, do these guys become part of the cabinet?

Vatican’s number two says journalists like to ‘play Dan Brown’

The Vatican’s number two, the reported target of a power struggle in the Church, alleged divisive forces at work on Monday as the Holy See said 23 people had been questioned in a leaks scandal.

In a rare outburst, the Secretary of State appeared to lash out at those who, according to religious observers, have been orchestrating the scandal in an attempt to oust him, and slammed media for “Dan Brown-style” reporting.

[...]

41 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:52:56am

re: #38 freetoken

Psychiatrists maintain Norwegian killer is sane

Sane, but very, very hateful.

In Norway, the issue of whether he's sane or insane is actually very important - because if he's ruled insane he can be imprisoned for life. If he's sane, the maximum sentence he can receive is 21 years - but he'll be eligible for parole after 10 years.

42 freetoken  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:53:49am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

It's a strange world.

43 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:54:01am

Speaking of JC...

John The Baptist Bones Possibly Discovered In Bulgarian Church

A group of archaeologists from Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit at Oxford University dated the knuckle bones found in 2010 by archaeologist Kazimir Popkonstantinov.

The results showed that it was that of a male dating back to 1st century AD who most probably came from the Middle East. This man is believed to be John the Baptist, the prophet who baptized Jesus Christ.

The remains, which include a knuckle bone, molar tooth and a piece of cranium, were found in July 2010 in a marble sarcophagus in the ruins of a medieval church on the island of Sveti Ivan, or Saint John, off Bulgaria’s Black Sea coast near the resort of Sozopol.

44 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:54:33am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

In Norway, the issue of whether he's sane or insane is actually very important - because if he's ruled insane he can be imprisoned for life. If he's sane, the maximum sentence he can receive is 21 years - but he'll be eligible for parole after 10 years.

That's insane.

45 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:57:26am

re: #39 Lidane

Didn't you know? The white, blue eyed blonde Republican Jesus was born on the 4th of July in Kansas and loves God, apple pie, and America. He also likes guns and ammo and deporting liberals.

Also loves Toby Keith songs.

46 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:59:01am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Don't they know he's ineligible?

(Virgin) Birther!

47 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:59:22am

Uh, this might be a bad business decision on Adidas's new shoe design...

Adidas JS Roundhouse Mids come with 'slave' shackles

Adidas is facing enormous backlash after it announced the release of the new JS Roundhouse Mids on its Facebook page on June 14.

The sneaker sports what Adidas calls "bracelets," but consumers are equating them more to shackles. Adidas released the shoe's tagline, which reads, "Got a sneaker game so hot you lock your kicks to your ankles."

As of this morning, the Facebook post had over 36,000 likes, and 2,200 comments. One comment read, "I daresay that marketing & selling a shoe with a ‘chain & shackle’ accessory is a very bad idea. The ‘chain & shackle’ image has a bad connotation, that of slavery, in the African American community. I think it's inappropriate. The idea of being chained to Adidas or any object is repulsive."

The Huffington Post noted one comment that read, "“How would a Jewish person feel if Nike decided to have a shoe with a swastika on it and tried to claim it was OK in the name of fashion?”

48 kirkspencer  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:59:59am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

In Norway, the issue of whether he's sane or insane is actually very important - because if he's ruled insane he can be imprisoned for life. If he's sane, the maximum sentence he can receive is 21 years - but he'll be eligible for parole after 10 years.

Don't forget, however, that Norway also has the "containment" rule. Yes, at 10 years he's eligible for parole. At that time he can also get a five year extension if deemed still a danger to society. And those extensions can be continued indefinitely.

It could wind up looking a lot like Manson's regular reviews, that everyone knows won't occur.

49 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:00:38pm

OT: Father chops daughter's head off and parades it through village.

JAIPUR, India — Police say a man upset over his daughter's lifestyle chopped her head off with a sword and then paraded it through his village before surrendering to authorities in western India.

Marble miner Ogad Singh's 20-year-old daughter had been living with her parents in the Rajasthani village of Dungarji after leaving her husband two years ago.

Police Superintendent Umesh Ojha says Singh was upset by his daughter having affairs with men, and became enraged when she eloped with one of them two weeks ago.

Ojha says Singh forced her to return home Sunday, and beheaded her Monday with a sword.

Rapidly modernizing India faces increasing social clashes as youths resist traditions like arranged marriage or limits on women venturing outside their parents' or husbands' homes.

[Edit: I hate MSNBC auto-converting a text link to video]

Hope he gets sent up for a long time.

50 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:01:14pm

re: #43 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of JC...

John The Baptist Bones Possibly Discovered In Bulgarian Church

Or it could just be some random person whose bones have been passed off as John's for 2 millennia.

I'm going with my version.

51 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:02:34pm

Millionaire Tea Party Congressman weighs in on Obama's reprieving young undocumented immigrants from deportation, and of course makes himself look like an idiot.

Republican rep.: Young immigrants ‘had a say’ in crossing border

A Republican representative from Texas says that he opposes President Barack Obama’s policy of halting deportations for some young undocumented immigrants because 16-year-old kids “have a say” in whether or not they cross the border with their family.

“Well, you are also talking about people that came over 16 years of age,” Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-TX) told CNN’s Soledad O’Brien on Monday. “At that point you had a say in it, and that looks more like amnesty."
[...]
“They’re certainly in a position to have a conversation with their parents about it,” Farenthold insisted. “Believe me, my 16-year-old daughter has given me input on everything — pretty much everything the family wants to do.”

Mediaite’s Andrew Kirell noted that there was a big difference between the 16-year-old daughter of a wealthy congressman expressing her opinion and 16-year-old immigrants who have little choice but to follow their families across the border.

“Yes, the daughter of the 39th richest man in Congress, worth $8.57 million, is exactly like the children of the impoverished immigrants who decide to cross the border illegally,” Kirell snarked. “Their situations are perfectly comparable, right?”

52 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:02:53pm

re: #48 kirkspencer

Don't forget, however, that Norway also has the "containment" rule. Yes, at 10 years he's eligible for parole. At that time he can also get a five year extension if deemed still a danger to society. And those extensions can be continued indefinitely.

It could wind up looking a lot like Manson's regular reviews, that everyone knows won't occur.

That's dramatically less insane. So 21 years serves as the maximum punishment time, so to speak, but does not intrinsically affect public safety.

53 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:03:41pm

re: #50 Mattand

Or it could just be some random person whose bones have been passed off as John's for 2 millennia.

I'm going with my version.

You can look the evidence next month:

This new research from Oxford University will be presented in a documentary called ‘Head of John the Baptist’ airing on the National Geographic Channel in on June 17, 2012 at 8pm.

54 kirkspencer  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:04:08pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

That's insane.

Not really, not on the whole. You've read my rants about fixes needed in our system, and in a lot of ways Norway's system meets it.

A short period of isolation, followed by a period of gradually increasing but supervised freedom. The goal is to separate punishment (the short part) and rehabilitation.

And they've got a mechanism for the people who won't habilitate. "Nope, not safe for society. Extend the lockup." The five year review helps reduce error and abuse. (Not stops, just reduces.)

55 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:04:34pm

I have just recently discovered this blog and it is one of the best blogs I know. I see on Wikipedia that LGF has been accused of being anti-Muslim, I don't understand how that's possible given how you criticize anti-Muslim bigots.

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

56 freetoken  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:05:23pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

The "evidence" is simply the C14 dating of one of the bone pieces to the first century CE, and some DNA evidence showing one of the bones belonged to someone from a S/W Asian mitochondrial group.

57 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:05:34pm

re: #51 RadicalModerate

Millionaire Tea Party Congressman weighs in on Obama's reprieving young undocumented immigrants from deportation, and of course makes himself look like an idiot.

Republican rep.: Young immigrants ‘had a say’ in crossing border

On a related note: Did Obama's immigration move make Marco Rubio a more likely veep pick?

Mitt Romney's gap with Hispanic voters is so wide that he may have no choice but to try to one-up Obama – perhaps by putting Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida on the GOP ticket.

With a funny quote from George Will

As conservative George Will put it on ABC's "This Week" Sunday: "[Republicans] spent the primary season competing to see who could build the longest, thickest, tallest, most lethally electrified fence. And Hispanics listening to this detected hostility – they're funny that way. And so Romney has a big hole to dig out of, because if he gets under, say, the 31 percent of Hispanic voters that McCain got, he's going to lose."

58 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:05:39pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

You can look the evidence next month:

It's probably not him. Even people in the article admit there's probably no way to ever determine it.

59 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:05:39pm

re: #55 Elias

Welcome hatchling. Should be some leftover Marxist BBQ in the fridge, help yourself.

60 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:05:45pm

re: #55 Elias

I have just recently discovered this blog and it is one of the best blogs I know. I see on Wikipedia that LGF has been accused of being anti-Muslim, I don't understand how that's possible given how you criticize anti-Muslim bigots.

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

Spencer is not a Jew.

61 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:06:00pm

re: #51 RadicalModerate

Millionaire Tea Party Congressman weighs in on Obama's reprieving young undocumented immigrants from deportation, and of course makes himself look like an idiot.

Republican rep.: Young immigrants ‘had a say’ in crossing border

Sure, Farenthold, the kid could sit down, cross his arms stubbornly, and say, "NO! I'm not going and you can't make me!"

62 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:06:10pm

re: #55 Elias

I have just recently discovered this blog and it is one of the best blogs I know. I see on Wikipedia that LGF has been accused of being anti-Muslim, I don't understand how that's possible given how you criticize anti-Muslim bigots.

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

Welcome.

63 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:06:21pm

re: #51 RadicalModerate

Millionaire Tea Party Congressman weighs in on Obama's reprieving young undocumented immigrants from deportation, and of course makes himself look like an idiot.

Republican rep.: Young immigrants ‘had a say’ in crossing border

Isn't this man a member of the same party that bashed the president for saying he listened to what his daughters had to say about gay marriage when he re-evaluated his opinion on gay marriage? And comparing leaving chances are the only home you've known and choosing where you vacation or whatever this idiot is trying to say his daughter has say on are two totally different things. What the hell does he have against having people come here for a better life? It needs to be made easier to immigrate here legally, period.

64 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:06:33pm

re: #55 Elias

I have just recently discovered this blog and it is one of the best blogs I know. I see on Wikipedia that LGF has been accused of being anti-Muslim, I don't understand how that's possible given how you criticize anti-Muslim bigots.

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

The makeup of the place has changed dramatically over the years. I think it's fair to say that some commentators in the long-ago time would fit that description.

65 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:07:32pm

re: #55 Elias

I have just recently discovered this blog and it is one of the best blogs I know. I see on Wikipedia that LGF has been accused of being anti-Muslim, I don't understand how that's possible given how you criticize anti-Muslim bigots.

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

Welcome hatchling. I like my coffee with milk & 2 sugars.

You have to learn to not be ashamed of everyone who shares your DNA. Unless they're your kids and you had some responsibility in raising them.

66 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:07:48pm

re: #55 Elias

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

Robert Spencer isn't Jewish. His family comes from Turkey (or Syria perhaps?) originally.

67 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:07:49pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

On a related note: Did Obama's immigration move make Marco Rubio a more likely veep pick?

I imagine Latinos will view that move as women did Palin's VP nom in '08: a insultingly shallow gimmick that insults their intelligence.

68 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:08:57pm

re: #55 Elias

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

As a human, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are human, too.

69 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:09:06pm

re: #55 Elias

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

Robert Spencer is not a Jew - he's a Christian, a Melkite Greek Catholic.

70 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:09:41pm

re: #67 Mattand

I read that Rubio did worse with Latino voters than Jeb Bush and other Republicans running statewide in Florida in the past. If Mitt really thinks Latino voters are that dumb to vote for Romney just because he makes a Hispanic man number two, then he's even more desperate than I thought.

71 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:10:49pm

re: #55 Elias

I have just recently discovered this blog and it is one of the best blogs I know. I see on Wikipedia that LGF has been accused of being anti-Muslim, I don't understand how that's possible given how you criticize anti-Muslim bigots.

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

Welcome. As already said Spencer isn't Jewish. As for Geller, it's cool. Bad and good people from every faith. For every Pam Geller, there are much more awesome Jewish people that make up for her nastiness. More than make up for, make that.

72 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:11:06pm

re: #55 Elias

There will come a time when I will desperately need an upding. I want to remind you of who gave you your first.

73 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:11:11pm

re: #58 Mattand

It's probably not him. Even people in the article admit there's probably no way to ever determine it.

There isn't any evidence for or against it. The show will be interesting to watch.

74 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:11:58pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I read that Rubio did worse with Latino voters than Jeb Bush and other Republicans running statewide in Florida in the past. If Mitt really thinks Latino voters are that dumb to vote for Romney just because he makes a Hispanic man number two, then he's even more desperate than I thought.

Susana Martinez only got thirty-some percent of the Hispanic vote in New Mexico. Diane Denish, lieutenant governor under Richardson, got 61%.

75 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:12:26pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

There isn't any evidence for or against it. The show will be interesting to watch.

I'll probably tune in. It probably couldn't be any worse than the bones of Jesus program from a few Easters back.

76 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:13:00pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

There isn't any evidence for or against it. The show will be interesting to watch.

Possibly only to see how they work Hitler and UFO references in...
;)
j/k

77 freetoken  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:13:38pm

re: #76 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Pyramids - don't forget the pyramids.

78 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:13:39pm

Oh really ? I was convinced he was a Jew, dunno why.

re: #65 Learned Mother of Zion

I understand that there a idiots everywhere but I just have a hard time understanding how can you be racist when you're Jewish (because of Jewish history, not because I think Jews are perfect, obviously)

79 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:13:43pm

I spent a little time recently over at WND and had a few inane exchanges with the ditto heads.

I don't normally do this and it is somewhat painful given the tone and level of the commentary. The one thing that stands out, aside from the gratuitous insults (and we can be insulting at times too) is that there is so little analysis of anything. Most of what one reads is just exclamations of Marxism, dictatorship, secularism and so on without the slightest attempt to explain why they think so. They just do, and the hate is palpable.

I have to think these people have always been there, but the difference between then and now is the internet has allowed them to crawl out, since they don't have to do it with pen and paper anymore, and they have spellcheckers.

80 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:14:15pm

re: #55 Elias

I have just recently discovered this blog and it is one of the best blogs I know. I see on Wikipedia that LGF has been accused of being anti-Muslim, I don't understand how that's possible given how you criticize anti-Muslim bigots.

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

I'd argue that this blog, while never being truly anti-Muslim, has dabbled in it from time to time. Many of the old-timers, long since banned, believed that all Muslims were either terrorists or supported terrorism, something that dipshits like Geller and Spencer convinced them to be the truth. Thankfully, this blog has undergone a renaissance of sorts and the ignorance of those days has been washed away.

But we are, and still remain, an anti-idiotarian blog.

81 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:14:16pm

re: #2 ggt

Yep, walking in Jesus's shoes . . .

/gah

They are walking in someone's shoes, but they aren't goose stepping correctly yet. A little more practice and they should get the final solution down pat.

82 allegro  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:14:19pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

There isn't any evidence for or against it. The show will be interesting to watch.

The only evidence in a few bones is that they're human and dated to a certain time period. Any story surrounding them is mythological or just a fancy.

83 Ming  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:14:27pm

Laws against Sharia Law would be analogous to laws against Biblical Law: completely unnecessary and superfluous. In the United States, we have separation of religion and state. So we don't have Biblical Law or Sharia Law; we simply have our various secular laws, from the Constitution down to "local" things like traffic laws.

Sure, there are people who want to see some or all of Sharia Law imposed in the United States. There are also people, like Rick Santorum, who want to see some or all of Biblical Law imposed in the United States. I'm not in favor of either viewpoint, but we don't need to outlaw either of them.

84 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:14:36pm

re: #75 Mattand

I'll probably tune in. It probably couldn't be any worse than the bones of Jesus program from a few Easters back.

I'm sure it will be a much better show than the opening of Al Capone's Vault.

85 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:15:34pm

re: #78 Elias

Oh really ? I was convinced he was a Jew, dunno why.

I understand that there a idiots everywhere but I just have a hard time understand how can you be racist when you're Jewish (because of Jewish history, not because I think Jews are perfect, obviously)

Anybody, of any religion, race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, can be an asshole.

86 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:15:55pm

re: #79 Achilles Tang

I have to think these people have always been there, but the difference between then and now is the internet has allowed them to crawl out, since they don't have to do it with pen and paper anymore, and they have spellcheckers.

And anonymity, in a lot of cases.

87 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:16:27pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

Susana Martinez only got thirty-some percent of the Hispanic vote in New Mexico. Diane Denish, lieutenant governor under Richardson, got 61%.

Why does none of this surprise me? Hispanic voters like any bloc are going to vote who for whom they think represents them best. Bush did better than Romney will with Latino voters- Latino running mate or not because Bush unlike many in his own party made an effort to understand their values rather than hiring a goon like Kobach and saying crap like "self-deport" or deriding embracing the Dream Act by saying "we're just going to focus on the economy." s

88 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:16:30pm

re: #83 Ming

Laws against Sharia Law would be analogous to laws against Biblical Law: completely unnecessary and superfluous. In the United States, we have separation of religion and state. So we don't have Biblical Law or Sharia Law; we simply have our various secular laws, from the Constitution down to "local" things like traffic laws.

Sure, there are people who want to see some or all of Sharia Law imposed in the United States. There are also people, like Rick Santorum, who want to see some or all of Biblical Law imposed in the United States. I'm not in favor of either viewpoint, but we don't need to outlaw either of them.

I've noticed that a lot of those who demand Sharia law be "banned" are also of the sort who believe that there is no legal separation of church and state, that ours is a Christian nation because that's what the Founding Fathers "intended," and think that imposing their religion values on others is actually just them exercising their "religious freedom."

89 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:16:30pm

re: #82 allegro

The only evidence in a few bones is that they're human and dated to a certain time period. Any story surrounding them is mythological or just a fancy.

Hey, ya never know...they might have found a Letter of Authenticity sitting next to the pile of bones. Tune in next month and see!

90 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:16:47pm

re: #85 Learned Mother of Zion

It needed to be said.

91 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:18:09pm

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

Hey, ya never know...they might have found a Letter of Authenticity sitting next to the pile of bones. Tune in next month and see!

Screw Nat Geo. With that, I'd be at Sotheby's faster than you could say "Off with his head!"

Or Pawn Stars. Whichever is closer at the time.

92 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:18:22pm

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Almost 120,000 Christians pledge to vote for Jesus Christ as president this November

Heh. Someone might want to tell them He doesn't plan to come down from the Heavens and move in to the WH.

Wonderful idea, I think every fundie should.

93 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:18:48pm

re: #75 Mattand

If anyone had Jesus' bones we wouldn't care because we would not know who Jesus was.

94 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:20:02pm

But is tre: #80 Targetpractice

Thanks for the informations. In fact I decided to check the blog when I learned (very recently) about its implication in Israel advocacy, especially during the flotilla incident. Is it still pro-Israel ?

95 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:21:26pm

re: #94 Elias

But is t

Thanks for the informations. In fact I decided to check the blog when I learned about its implication in Israel advocacy, especially during the flotilla incident. Is it still pro-Israel ?

It's not anti-Israel.

96 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:21:55pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

I've noticed that a lot of those who demand Sharia law be "banned" are also of the sort who believe that there is no legal separation of church and state, that ours is a Christian nation because that's what the Founding Fathers "intended," and think that imposing their religion values on others is actually just them exercising their "religious freedom."

That's no coincidence. Funniest thing was when Newt the supposed scholar was equating secularism with Sharia. Really because strong separation of church and states results in theocracy. And what you're talking about is why I laugh when they claim to support banning shariah in the name of religious freedom while many of the same support banning gay marriage, abortion, etc for religious reasons.

97 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:22:26pm

re: #85 Learned Mother of Zion

Anybody, of any religion, race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, can be an asshole.

Or a sock, for that matter....

98 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:23:44pm

re: #94 Elias

But is t

Thanks for the informations. In fact I decided to check the blog when I learned about its implication in Israel advocacy, especially during the flotilla incident. Is it still pro-Israel ?

I'd say to see comment #80.

I don't think anyone advocates here that Israel be destroyed. But if the Israeli government acts or makes policy it may be criticized here on the basis of being an unrealistic or outwardly non-productive towards peace in the Middle East. So, all in all, criticism will be forthcoming in that I don't think this blog is lockstep pro-anything beyond rational thought perhaps.

99 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:26:38pm

re: #94 Elias

But is t

Thanks for the informations. In fact I decided to check the blog when I learned (very recently) about its implication in Israel advocacy, especially during the flotilla incident. Is it still pro-Israel ?

We're ambivalent these days, in that we take things on a case-by-case basis.

100 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:28:17pm

re: #98 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I'd say to see comment #80.

I don't think anyone advocates here that Israel be destroyed. But if the Israeli government acts or makes policy it may be criticized here on the basis of being an unrealistic or outwardly non-productive towards peace in the Middle East. So, all in all, criticism will be forthcoming in that I don't think this blog is lockstep pro-anything beyond rational thought perhaps.

Unfortunately, there are still a few individuals here who view any criticism of Israeli policy and/or actions as a direct attack on Jewish people, even if said criticism is fully justified.

101 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:28:24pm

re: #94 Elias

But is t

Thanks for the informations. In fact I decided to check the blog when I learned about its implication in Israel advocacy, especially during the flotilla incident. Is it still pro-Israel ?

I'm pro Israel.

102 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:28:26pm

re: #98 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Yes, I was going to say that myself I am not even pro-Israel, i don't like this word. I'm Zionist, I love Israel but I criticize the Israeli government's policies, just like I would criticize a democratic government facing comparable security threats, but I don't do it in front of Israel-haters.

103 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:29:13pm

Why are my spidey senses tingling?

104 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:31:34pm

re: #102 Elias

Yes, I was going to say that myself I am not even pro-Israel, i don't like this word. I'm Zionist, I love Israel but I criticize the Israeli government's policies, just like I would criticize a democratic government facing comparable security threats, but I don't do it in front of Israel-haters.

So, cats or dogs?

105 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:31:36pm

re: #91 Mattand

106 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:35:53pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

In Norway, the issue of whether he's sane or insane is actually very important - because if he's ruled insane he can be imprisoned for life. If he's sane, the maximum sentence he can receive is 21 years - but he'll be eligible for parole after 10 years.

Uh...that's bad law. Too liberal for a mass murderer.

107 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:40:41pm

re: #102 Elias

Yes, I was going to say that myself I am not even pro-Israel, i don't like this word. I'm Zionist, I love Israel but I criticize the Israeli government's policies, just like I would criticize a democratic government facing comparable security threats, but I don't do it in front of Israel-haters.

For the most part, if your friend is doing something rock stupid, you call them out on it. Regardless of who is in the room.

108 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:47:15pm

re: #106 Eclectic Infidel

I hope I can come up with this comment link when we get all upset about how many people we have in prison. 10 years and out for mass murder? What is it,... 15 minutes for assault with intent to do great bodily injury? 30 minutes for kidnapping? //

Sounds like a lot more than the drug war going on in these comparisons.

109 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:48:19pm

re: #107 Mattand

Let me put it that way: if someone of your family was always unfairly singled out and demonized in public, wouldn't you wait to be at home to express a criticism, wouldn't you defend him publicly ?

111 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:49:32pm

re: #109 Elias

Let me put it that way: if someone of your family was always unfairly singled out and demonized in public, wouldn't you wait to be at home to express a criticism, wouldn't you defend him publicly ?

Yeah, I'm not really sure how realistic a scenario that is.

112 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:50:00pm

re: #108 Daniel Ballard

It was fifteen years for a warning shot in Florida, iirc.
No, it was 20.

113 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:52:40pm

re: #108 Daniel Ballard

I hope I can come up with this comment link when we get all upset about how many people we have in prison. 10 years and out for mass murder? What is it,... 15 minutes for assault with intent to do great bodily injury? 30 minutes for kidnapping? //

Sounds like a lot more than the drug war going on in these comparisons.

Well, we need to talk about the goal of prisons before we're able to have any sort of intelligent conversation.

114 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:57:38pm

re: #111 Mattand

Do you get my point ?

115 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:58:08pm

re: #112 abolitionist

Correction: 20y for warning shots in self-defense, in Florida.

116 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:58:53pm

re: #106 Eclectic Infidel

Just because someone is eligible for parole doesn't mean that they're let out. See also: David Berkowitz; Charles Manson; etc.

Some people are justifiably incarcerated for the rest of their lives because of the severity of the crimes committed.

That would be the case with Breivik. Even though the maximum sentence is 21 years, Norwegian law allows extended incarceration when the person poses an ongoing threat to the public for 5 year terms thereafter (forvaring). In effect, the law allows life imprisonment - it also requires periodic review of the cases.

117 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:59:15pm

re: #112 abolitionist

That would be the "use a gun go to prison" anti gun penalty enhancements I think.

re: #113 erik_t

Well, we need to talk about the goal of prisons before we're able to have any sort of intelligent conversation.

Keeping the public safe from predatory humans would be the first thing prisons are supposed to do. As for rehabilitation, how do you know when it's a genuine change of heart? Especially in a case like this, mass murder. Ihn any case I think this kind of undermines comparisons.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:59:32pm

re: #1 erik_t

How does one 'act like a Muslim', other than actually bowing towards Mecca and holding the bacon?

Dumbass bigots.

Reminds me of the passage in "Nickel and Dimed", where Barbara Ehrenreich says she keeps being afraid that people will be mad when it turns out she's a journalist who's just pretending to be waitress, but then it occurs to her that if you take the orders and get the food to the table, you are actually a waitress, so she's not pretending.

119 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:59:57pm

re: #116 lawhawk

In effect, the law allows life imprisonment - it also requires periodic review of the cases.

Aha! that makes far more sense. Thank you.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:00:26pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

If they really want to do something about terrorism and Islamist rule, the US Army and Marine Corps have recruiting offices in every city, town, and suburb. Come on, "patriots!" Put your signatures where your keyboards are!

But then they make you do training, and they might send you someplace boring, or give you a desk job. And they're real clean freaks.

121 bratwurst  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:00:57pm

I guess these types of decisions are being made on the basis of net worth?!?

Obama Picks Kerry To Play Romney In Mock Debates

122 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:02:32pm

re: #121 bratwurst

I guess these types of decisions are being made on the basis of net worth?!?

Obama Picks Kerry To Play Romney In Mock Debates

Really? I'd base it on the fact that they're both seen in the public eye as Charisma-less flip floppers from Massachusetts...

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:02:47pm

re: #17 simoom

Sort of related, on the anti-Muslim bigotry front:

Christian missionary group with pig's head taunt Arab-Americans at Dearborn festival

Image: Christian protesters on Friday at the Arab International Festival in Dearborn.

This is the best part: "The festival continues today in Dearborn, but the members of the Bible Believers won’t be there because they’ll be protesting a gay festival in Ohio, said Arab Festival organizers."

Has it occurred to any of these bright bulbs that there are Arab Christians who are at the Arab International Festival?

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:03:33pm

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Almost 120,000 Christians pledge to vote for Jesus Christ as president this November

Heh. Someone might want to tell them He doesn't plan to come down from the Heavens and move in to the WH.

God, that was Savonarola's schtick.

125 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:04:54pm

re: #122 jamesfirecat

Really? I'd base it on the fact that they're both seen in the public eye as Charisma-less flip floppers from Massachusetts...

I wonder how much the Obama campaign is depending on the Romneybot's virus checking not discovering that Dukakis-in-a-tank trojan virus until it is too late.

126 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:05:14pm

re: #109 Elias

Let me put it that way: if someone of your family was always unfairly singled out and demonized in public, wouldn't you wait to be at home to express a criticism, wouldn't you defend him publicly ?

I don't know 'bout your family, but in my family, if you act like a dumbass, you're gonna get called on it. Even in public.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:06:24pm

re: #55 Elias

I have just recently discovered this blog and it is one of the best blogs I know. I see on Wikipedia that LGF has been accused of being anti-Muslim, I don't understand how that's possible given how you criticize anti-Muslim bigots.

As a Jew, I am ashamed that Spencer and Geller are Jews too.

I don't think we need to claim Spencer, he's a Maronite or something.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:08:10pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Isn't this man a member of the same party that bashed the president for saying he listened to what his daughters had to say about gay marriage when he re-evaluated his opinion on gay marriage?

Did the party really bash him over that, or was that just Bristol Palin?

Not saying, though, that saying a kid had any control over immigration--or that a child should be expected to say "No, I respect the borders and sovereignty of the United States, so I'm just going to strike out on my own, mis padres, been nice knowing you", which seems to be the implication--isn't batshit insane.

129 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:10:14pm

re: #115 abolitionist

What happened to SYG?
//

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:10:50pm

re: #100 RadicalModerate

Unfortunately, there are still a few individuals here who view any criticism of Israeli policy and/or actions as a direct attack on Jewish people, even if said criticism is fully justified.

Unfortunately, there are also a few individuals here who think that vaguely muttering about Israeli policies and looking askance at Bibi amounts to an intelligent discussion of the Middle East. You get all sorts in this line of work.

131 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:13:02pm

re:

132 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:13:11pm

re: #109 Elias

Let me put it that way: if someone of your family was always unfairly singled out and demonized in public, wouldn't you wait to be at home to express a criticism, wouldn't you defend him publicly ?

The key word here is always. Israel is not perfect, so it isn't always unfairly singled out (though it probably is much more often than it should be).

Muslims are often lumped together as a group and criticized unfairly. Does that mean Muslims should always defend other Muslims publicly and only criticize them in private?

133 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:17:54pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Did the party really bash him over that, or was that just Bristol Palin?

Not saying, though, that saying a kid had any control over immigration--or that a child should be expected to say "No, I respect the borders and sovereignty of the United States, so I'm just going to strike out on my own, mis padres, been nice knowing you", which seems to be the implication--isn't batshit insane.

Yeah I think you're right that it was just Bristol but I think he did get derided for saying talking to his daughters had a role in the decision. Really stupid thing for the guy to say.

134 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:17:56pm

re: #132 CuriousLurker

The key word here is always. Israel is not perfect, so it isn't always unfairly singled out (though it probably is much more often than it should be).

Muslims are often lumped together as a group and criticized unfairly. Does that mean Muslims should always defend other Muslims publicly and only criticize them in private?

Part of the whole problem with religious cults like Christianity, Islam, etc. is that they separate people into such artificially-defined categories in the first place.

135 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:20:06pm

re: #100 RadicalModerate

There are people like this. But you can't deny that it's pretty rare to see a moderate criticism of Israeli policy. People don't understand that it's not either black or white, that Israel faces difficult challenges, tough decisions.

136 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:20:54pm

re: #132 CuriousLurker

I meant constantly, sorry for my english, it's not my native language.

137 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:21:18pm

re: #134 SidewaysQuark

You're wasting your time with me. //

138 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:23:17pm

re: #136 Elias

I meant constantly, sorry for my english, it's not my native language.

No need to apologize. Constantly and always have pretty much the same meaning in this context. I understood what you meant. My question to you stands.

139 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:25:15pm

re: #136 Elias

I meant constantly, sorry for my english, it's not my native language.

Oh? What is your native language? Just curious since it might indicate some interesting avenues of future discussion.

140 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:25:51pm

re: #135 Elias

There are people like this but you see. But you can't deny that it's pretty rare to see a moderate criticism of Israeli policy. People don't understand that it's not either black or white, that Israel faces difficult challenges, tough decisions.

Admittedly, I don't follow Israel all that closely, but the US media doesn't exactly rake Israel or its leaders over the coals.

141 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:29:33pm

Question: Does anyone know of an over the counter medicine for spider venom?

142 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:30:47pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

I'm not saying that the criticism is always unfair, but that Israel is constantly - everyday, regularly, often - criticized unfairly. You understand the difference ?

143 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:31:15pm

re: #137 CuriousLurker

You're wasting your time with me. //

I'm spending no time with you.

144 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:31:44pm

re: #140 Mattand

Indeed, America is really an exception in the world for that, I'm speaking from an European perspective. But anyway, you can see it on the internet everywhere.

145 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:32:09pm

re: #139 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

French.

146 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:34:55pm

re: #141 prairiefire

Question: Does anyone know of an over the counter medicine for spider venom?

Here's a quick guide to handling spider bites:

What Are the Treatments for Spider Bites?

Any clue what kinda spider it was?

147 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:35:20pm

re: #144 Elias

Indeed, America is really an exception in the world for that, I'm speaking from an European perspective.

You're going to have to cite some examples. Unfortunately, what you may consider excessive, others may consider fair.

148 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:36:50pm

re: #141 prairiefire

Question: Does anyone know of an over the counter medicine for spider venom?

wikipedia not that helpful in that regard. Looks like it depends largely on correctly diagnosing it as a spider bite, and knowing what kind it was.

Management
Most spider bites are harmless, and require no specific treatment. Treatment of bites may depend on the type of spider; thus, capture of the spider—either alive, or in a well-preserved condition, is useful.

In the case of bites by widow spiders, Australian venomous funnel-web spiders, or Brazilian wandering spiders, prompt medical attention should be sought as in some cases the bites of these spiders may develop into a medical emergency.

Treatment for non-poisonous spider bites include washing the bite with soap and water and ice to reduce inflammation. Analgesics and antihistamines may be used, however antibiotics are not recommended unless there is also a bacterial infection present.

Necrosis
There is no established treatment for necrosis. Recommendations include elevation and immobilization of the affected limb, application of ice, local wound care, and tetanus prophylaxis. Many other therapies have been used with varying degrees of success including hyperbaric oxygen, dapsone, antihistamines (e.g., cyproheptadine), antibiotics, dextran, glucocorticoids, vasodilators, heparin, nitroglycerin, electric shock, curettage, surgical excision, and antivenom. None of these treatments have been subjected to controlled, randomized trials to conclusively show benefit. In almost all cases, bites are self-limited and typically heal without any medical intervention.

Dapsone is commonly used in the USA and Brazil for the treatment of necrosis. There have been conflicting reports about its efficacy and some have suggested it should no longer be used routinely, if at all.

Other
Studies have shown surgical intervention is ineffective and may worsen outcome. Excision may delay wound healing, cause abscesses, and lead to objectionable scarring.
Use of antivenom for severe spider bites may be indicated, especially in the case of neurotoxic venoms. Effective antivenoms exist for Latrodectus, Atrax, and Phoneutria venom. Recluse bites are treatable by antivenom; an antivenom for Loxosceles bites is available in South America, and it appears antivenom may be the most promising therapy. However, the recluse antivenom is most effective if given early, and because of the relatively painless bite delivered by recluses, patients do not often present until 24 or more hours after the event, possibly limiting the effect of this intervention. Due to the risk of serum sickness, use of antivenom is generally not indicated unless serious symptoms are present, and/or a person fails to respond to other forms of treatment.

149 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:38:11pm

re: #147 Mattand

Really, you don't see that ? Just read CIFWatch or Elder of Ziyon, it's obvious. You can't deny that hatred of Israel is almost a religion for a big part of the world, or maybe you live in a cave.

150 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:38:59pm

My sincere apologies to Marissa Alexander. She was convicted of firing one warning shot in anger, whereas firing in fear or blowing him away would have been just dandy, according to reports.

*Does not compute*

151 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:39:27pm

re: #147 Mattand
re: #149 Elias

Well, gee, this will be fun.

152 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:39:31pm

re: #148 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

IANAD...
but that long wikipedia article seems to summarize as: treat a spider bite like any animal bite (i.e. high risk of infection), unless it's a poisonous spider, in which case get thee to an emergency room.

153 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:40:32pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think you're right that it was just Bristol but I think he did get derided for saying talking to his daughters had a role in the decision. Really stupid thing for the guy to say.

How is this a "really stupid" thing to say? I don't get it.

You know, Malia and Sasha, they've got friends whose parents are same-sex couples. And I-- you know, there have been times where Michelle and I have been sittin' around the dinner table. And we've been talkin' and-- about their friends and their parents. And Malia and Sasha would-- it wouldn't dawn on them that somehow their friends' parents would be treated differently. It doesn't make sense to them. And-- and frankly-- that's the kind of thing that prompts-- a change of perspective. You know, not wanting to somehow explain to your child why somebody should be treated-- differently, when it comes to-- the eyes of the law.

The above statement immediately followed the following paragraph about the overall generational shift affecting college Republicans:

And-- you know, it's interesting. Some of this is also generational. You know, when I go to college campuses, sometimes I talk to college Republicans who think that-- I have terrible policies on the-- the economy or on foreign policy. But are very clear that when it comes to same-sex equality or, you know-- sexual orientation that they believe in equality. They're much more comfortable with it.

I think the overall point was that not only are attitudes shifting, but they're shifting to the point where old arguments sound not only nonsensical but indefensible to most of the younger generations.

154 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:40:40pm

re: #149 Elias

Really, you don't see that ? Just read CIFWatch or Elder of Ziyon, it's obvious. You can't deny that hatred of Israel is almost a religion for a big part of the world, or maybe you live in a cave.

Hoo-kay, I'm not sure what the French equivalent of a straw man is, but I'm pretty sure you just built one.

155 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:40:41pm

re: #143 SidewaysQuark

I'm spending no time with you.

Your loss.

156 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:42:37pm

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

How is this a "really stupid" thing to say? I don't get it.

The above statement immediately followed the following paragraph about the overall generational shift affecting college Republicans:

I think the overall point was that not only are attitudes shifting, but they're shifting to the point where old arguments sound not only nonsensical but indefensible to most of the younger generations.

Not by Obama, Frank. What the Republican representative said about immigration and teenagers was stupid. Sorry I should have clarified that.

157 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:42:46pm

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Almost 120,000 Christians pledge to vote for Jesus Christ as president this November

We've all heard of spoiler candidates (Nader, Luap Nor, et al.), but I never expected to add this name to the list. (If Obama wins after this, does that mean he had support from On High?)

158 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:43:45pm

re: #154 Mattand

Tell me how did I misrepresent your opinion. (if Wikipedia is accurate)
Are you aware of this "anti-Israelism" or not ?

159 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:45:42pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Your loss.

BIG TIME!

160 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:46:41pm

re: #142 Elias

I'm not saying that the criticism in always unfair, but that Israel is constantly - everyday, regularly, often - criticized unfairly. You understand the difference ?

Yes, I understand. Do you understand that the same can be said of Muslims? I realize we're talking about two different things—one is a group of people who follow the same religion (Muslims/Islam) and the other is a state founded by a group of people who follow the same religion and it is based on a distinct religious identity (Jews/Israel). Still, that doesn't really matter when we're talking about whether or not criticism should be public or private.

161 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:46:42pm

re: #149 Elias

Really, you don't see that ? Just read CIFWatch or Elder of Ziyon, it's obvious. You can't deny that hatred of Israel is almost a religion for a big part of the world, or maybe you live in a cave.

I do read CiFWatch and EoZ and I find that they have become much more single-minded, or maybe I have become more liberal.

I still think MJ Rosenberg is a dweeb.

162 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:46:42pm

re: #159 Dancing along the light of day

BIG TIME!

Probably CL's gain though. She's a busy woman.

163 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:47:53pm

re: #158 Elias

Tell me how did I misrepresent your opinion. Are you aware of this "anti-Israelism" or not ? (if Wikipedia is accurate)

Am I aware of anti-Semitism? Of course. Is "hatred of Israel is almost a religion for a big part of the world"? What's a "big part of the world?" Greenland? Ghana? New Zealand? How the hell do you prove that? It's a vague statement that means nothing.

Do I live in a cave because I don't agree with you? That's just fucking stupid.

164 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:48:09pm

re: #141 prairiefire

Question: Does anyone know of an over the counter medicine for spider venom?

Yikes!?

165 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:48:41pm

re: #141 prairiefire

Question: Does anyone know of an over the counter medicine for spider venom?

They're often different. My Dad got bit on his calf a couple of years ago, we think by a brown recluse. It got bad. He ended up having to go to a wound clinic for tissue debridement and follow up treatments over several months. The scar / damaged area is about the diameter of a baseball.

166 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:50:11pm

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

They're often different. My Dad got bit on his calf a couple of years ago, we think by a brown recluse. It got bad. He ended up having to go to a wound clinic for tissue debridement and follow up treatments over several months. The scar / damaged area is about the diameter of a baseball.

Yeah, only two in the US to really worry 'bout are the brown recluse and the black widow. The rest, the bite will get painful and swollen for a bit, but unless you're allergic, that's the worst you'll experience.

167 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:50:24pm

Uh-oh, Stinky's in da house...

168 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:50:49pm

re: #141 prairiefire

Question: Does anyone know of an over the counter medicine for spider venom?

Are you just talking about a strong, ichy allergic reaction to the venom, or, like, feeling all-body sick from it? If it's the latter, you need actual medical attention.

If it's the first, topical anti-itch creams should work.

169 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:50:50pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

Here's a quick guide to handling spider bites:

What Are the Treatments for Spider Bites?

Any clue what kinda spider it was?

It was in HI. I have bruising around the bite, but no necro whatever yet. I don't have a fever. There are two god damned little red puncture marks, a swelled area about the size of a quarter that is white, a ring of bruised skin around that.

170 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:52:56pm

re: #149 Elias

There's a lot of places where hatred of Israel is propagandized and accepted-- like a lot of the countries in the Middle East. There's also a large segment of the population that is far more critical of Israel than they are of any other country-- European companies scolding Israel on the Palestinians always annoys me because of the mistreatment of the Roma in Europe, which is something highly addressable.

However, you kind of seem to be saying that criticizing Israeli policy in public is a no-no. That's silly. Israelis themselves don't act that way.

171 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:53:34pm

re: #169 prairiefire

The white pat is actually about the size of a dime and is better after treating it with rhuligel. It took three days to get this way. There are black widows in HI, but those are more immediate reactions. I don't think it was a demon./

172 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:53:45pm

re: #169 prairiefire

Seems right in the middle of 'nothing to worry about' and 'that's a bad sign'. If you're insured, I'd say splurge on the medical care!

173 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:54:11pm

re: #169 prairiefire

It was in HI. I have bruising around the bite, but no necro whatever yet. I don't have a fever. There are two god damned little red puncture marks, a swelled area about the size of a quarter that is white, a ring of bruised skin around that.

I'd get that looked at soonest. That ring sounds like an infection "rash" such as you can get from a tick carrying Lyme's Disease.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

174 allegro  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:54:31pm

re: #169 prairiefire

It was in HI. I have bruising around the bite, but no necro whatever yet. I don't have a fever. There are two god damned little red puncture marks, a swelled area about the size of a quarter that is white, a ring of bruised skin around that.

I would recommend finding an urgent care center or the like in the area to have it looked at. They would be familiar with the area spiders, etc. When did you get bitten?

175 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:54:56pm

re: #169 prairiefire

It was in HI. I have bruising around the bite, but no necro whatever yet. I don't have a fever. There are two god damned little red puncture marks, a swelled area about the size of a quarter that is white, a ring of bruised skin around that.

Gotta go with Obdi on this, that doesn't sound downright dangerous yet, but it sets off the warning sirens in my head. If you can, I'd have a doctor look at it, just to be on the safe side.

176 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:55:28pm

In fact, I often can manage to criticize Israeli policy and still get called an 'apologist' for Israel because I'm not criticizing them enough, or something, or saying that 'apartheid' is an incorrect word to use as a descriptor of the situation.

177 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:55:41pm

re: #172 Obdicut

Seems right in the middle of 'nothing to worry about' and 'that's a bad sign'. If you're insured, I'd say splurge on the medical care!

What a country.

178 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:55:58pm

re: #171 prairiefire

I'm going with allegro this time. She knows about critters.

179 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:56:51pm

re: #176 Obdicut

In fact, I often can manage to criticize Israeli policy and still get called an 'apologist' for Israel because I'm not criticizing them enough, or something, or saying that 'apartheid' is an incorrect word to use as a descriptor of the situation.

I have also noticed that in a lot of Israeli publications (particularly YNet and "The Forward") everyone is pro-Zionist, but "ultra-Orthodox" Jews are Teh Eebil.

180 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:57:51pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

Yeah, only two in the US to really worry 'bout are the brown recluse and the black widow. The rest, the bite will get painful and swollen for a bit, but unless you're allergic, that's the worst you'll experience.

The thing about the BR is that the initial bite reaction gives you no idea about how large or bad the thing will evolve into over days / weeks. I think Dad said the scab when he first noticed it was really small, just a few square millimeters at most in size. He said the debridement treatment was really awful too, that even with the local it's just goddawful painful as they transition between dead and living tissue.

181 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:58:34pm

Hawaii appears to have both widows and recluses; of course, if you're not from Hawaii then you were on an airplane, and you could surely find almost any small critter on the occasional airplane.

182 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1:59:08pm

re: #163 Mattand

I'm sorry if that was disrespectful. It just looks very obvious to me, I witness it everyday and I think a lot of people who love Israel agree on this, there is no country conspicuously singled out like Israel is.

re: #170 Obdicut

I didn't say that. I criticize Israeli policy in public. Just, when everyone is dragging Israel's name through the mud, that's not the moment I'm going to choose to criticize Israel , that's all.

183 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:01:36pm

re: #171 prairiefire

I'm adding my voice to the "get it looked at" chorus.

184 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:01:56pm

re: #182 Elias

Er, okay. I'm not sure how this came up, really. You'll find people criticizing Israeli policy here, in perfectly mainstream ways, and a lot of criticism for Bibi and the right-wing elements in Israeli politics. There's no "Israel-haters" here, though, nor would they really be tolerated, and certainly wouldn't ever be unopposed.

185 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:04:25pm

re: #171 prairiefire

Be safe, get a Doctor to look at it.
You are precious, and not just to us.

186 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:05:02pm

re: #182 Elias

There's no need to apologize, but honestly, you've got a confirmation bias regarding global criticism of Israel, and you're looking for people to back up your opinions.

187 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:05:15pm

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

The thing about the BR is that the initial bite reaction gives you no idea about how large or bad the thing will evolve into over days / weeks. I think Dad said the scab when he first noticed it was really small, just a few square millimeters at most in size. He said the debridement treatment was really awful too, that even with the local it's just goddawful painful as they transition between dead and living tissue.

E gad, the BR! Years ago I had a neighbor get bitten by one on the inside of her forearm. It ended up eating a hole through her skin the size of a quarter. You could literally see inside her arm. *gag, shudder*

188 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:05:57pm

re: #187 CuriousLurker

Be back in a few, gotta go Raid the garage.

189 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:06:13pm

re: #184 Obdicut

Er, okay. I'm not sure how this came up, really. You'll find people criticizing Israeli policy here, in perfectly mainstream ways, and a lot of criticism for Bibi and the right-wing elements in Israeli politics. There's no "Israel-haters" here, though, nor would they really be tolerated, and certainly wouldn't ever be unopposed.

He's trying to figure out LGF by reading Wikipedia. Either that, or he got bit by a spider when he put his socks on.

Wait. Now I'm confused.

190 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:09:38pm

Thanks, I've got a call in to the nurse at my docs. Possibilities are Golden Orb, Hobo, maybe Sac.
Has anybody seen the video of a Golden Orb eating a snake in Australia?

191 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:09:58pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

He's trying to figure out LGF by reading Wikipedia. Either that, or he got bit by a spider when he put his socks on.

Wait. Now I'm confused.

At least it wasn't a Scottish bagpipe spider. I hear those are particularly repulsive.

192 Kragar  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:11:08pm

Michigan Dems To Recite ‘Vagina Monologies’ Outside Statehouse In Protest

Michigan Rep. Lisa Brown, whose use of the phrase “vagina” in a floor speech last week prompted condemnation and censorship from her GOP colleagues, is defiantly holding a reading of Eve Ensler’s feminist play “The Vagina Monologues” on the statehouse steps Monday night to protest her treatment.

“I questioned if you think there’s something wrong with the word ‘vagina,’ what word would you like me to use instead?” Brown told ABC News. “I’m not going to be all ‘Little Women’ by using some cutesy name.”

193 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:11:20pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

I was not talking about LGF when I spoke of Israel haters. I just have the feeling that you Americans don't get the magnitude of hatred for Israel in Europe. France is the Western state with the biggest Muslim community and when conflict erupts in the Middle East like during Cast Lead, some pro-Palestinian demonstrators go out in the street, break everything, chant "Hamas, resistance" and often anti-semitic slogans.

194 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:11:36pm

re: #192 Kragar

Maybe an "Our Bodies Ourselves" reading is in order, for a filibuster reading.

195 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:11:49pm

re: #188 erik_t

Be back in a few, gotta go Raid the garage.

In Capitalist Arizona garage raid you!
;)

196 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:12:41pm

*sigh*

197 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:13:41pm

re: #193 Elias

A) Not everyone here is American. We have several people who are living in Europe, or European.

France is the Western state with the biggest Muslim community so when conflict erupts like during Cast Lead, some pro-Palestinian demonstrators go out in the street, break everything, chant "Hamas, resistance" and often anti-semitic slogans.

B) You seem here to be saying there's a linear relationship between Muslim population and anti-semitism. I think you're overlooking all the other anti-semitism that's been around in Europe forever. Singling out the Muslim anti-semites is kind of odd; Europe has such diversity of antisemitism.

198 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:13:59pm

re: #192 Kragar

Michigan Dems To Recite ‘Vagina Monologies’ Outside Statehouse In Protest

Most of the male Republicans reps will burst into flames within 15 minutes.

199 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:15:03pm

re: #193 Elias

I was not talking about LGF when I spoke of Israel haters. I just have the feeling that you Americans don't get the magnitude of hatred for Israel in Europe. France is the Western state with the biggest Muslim community and when conflict erupts in the Middle East like during Cast Lead, some pro-Palestinian demonstrators go out in the street, break everything, chant "Hamas, resistance" and often anti-semitic slogans.

Not all of us here are Americans. Oh, nevermind. Obdicut types and reads faster than I do.

200 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:15:10pm

re: #193 Elias

In fact, France has, in general, a higher opinion of Israel than other countries in Europe do.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

201 Kragar  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:15:29pm

re: #194 Obdicut

Maybe an "Our Bodies Ourselves" reading is in order, for a filibuster reading.

The Handmaid's Tale maybe.

202 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:15:43pm

re: #197 Obdicut

A) Not everyone here is American. We have several people who are living in Europe, or European.

B) You seem here to be saying there's a linear relationship between Muslim population and anti-semitism. I think you're overlooking all the other anti-semitism that's been around in Europe forever. Singling out the Muslim anti-semites is kind of odd; Europe has such diversity of antisemitism.

America isn't exactly a non anti-Semitism zone, either. I've got some friends and family that prove that.

203 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:16:09pm

re: #201 Kragar

The Handmaid's Tale maybe.

They'll think it's an instructive documentary.

204 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:16:55pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

Not all of us here are Americans. Oh, nevermind. Obdicut types and reads faster than I do.

I'm almost convinced Obdi's not human. Almost.

//

205 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:17:16pm

Hell, Nigeria apparently loves it some Israel, and it's half Muslim.

206 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:17:36pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

I'm almost convinced Obdi's not human. Almost.

//

Neanderthal cave painter!

207 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:19:04pm

re: #206 wrenchwench


Society of Amateur Time Travelers Historical Updates for 20 March

Fixed an error where some crude drawings of naked ladies Society member Erik made on cave walls ended up being mistaken for ancient caveman drawings of rhinos.

208 Kragar  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:19:05pm

re: #203 wrenchwench

They'll think it's an instructive documentary.

True.

209 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:19:06pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

I'm almost convinced Obdi's not human. Almost.

//

He should run for President!

210 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:20:15pm

re: #141 prairiefire

Question: Does anyone know of an over the counter medicine for spider venom?

AFAIK, that calls (yells) for a doctor visit. Please be careful!

211 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:20:23pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

I'm almost convinced Obdi's not human. Almost.

//

He's just fabulosity. Enjoy!

212 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:22:33pm

re: #49 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

OT: Father chops daughter's head off and parades it through village.

JAIPUR, India — Police say a man upset over his daughter's lifestyle chopped her head off with a sword and then paraded it through his village before surrendering to authorities in western India.

Marble miner Ogad Singh's 20-year-old daughter had been living with her parents in the Rajasthani village of Dungarji after leaving her husband two years ago.

Police Superintendent Umesh Ojha says Singh was upset by his daughter having affairs with men, and became enraged when she eloped with one of them two weeks ago.

Ojha says Singh forced her to return home Sunday, and beheaded her Monday with a sword.

Rapidly modernizing India faces increasing social clashes as youths resist traditions like arranged marriage or limits on women venturing outside their parents' or husbands' homes.

[Edit: I hate MSNBC auto-converting a text link to video]

Hope he gets sent up for a long time.

New York Times Book Review:

‘Our Lady of Alice Bhatti,’ by Mohammed Hanif
[...] It’s an abecedary of how women are hunted, how they’re choked and chopped up and thrown away. It’s an attempt to understand and render, with varying degrees of success, what life is like under siege from the world’s oldest, most deadly kind of terrorism. “Cutting up women is a sport older than cricket but just as popular and equally full of obscure rituals and intricate rules,” Hanif writes. [...]

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

213 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:22:40pm

re: #197 Obdicut

Agreed but today unfortunately in France the anti-semitism we are seeing the most is this one, it's a fact, even leftist anti-racist organizations have admitted it.

214 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:23:20pm

re: #202 Mattand

America ain't exactly an anti-Semitism zone, either. I've got some friends and family that prove that.

I'll say. There are people who seem to assume that because I'm Muslim I must dislike Jews, so they often feel quite free to say things that (I assume) they otherwise wouldn't. That pisses me off on a couple of levels.

215 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:25:12pm

re: #209 erik_t

He should run for President!

He could debate his opponents to death.

// JK, Obdi—you know I love ya'!

216 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:26:23pm

re: #213 Elias

Really? That's surprising-- the anti-semitism I remember from France is the kind that led the French to hand more Jews over to the Germans than the Italians did, despite the French being on the Allied side.

Pro-palestinian demonstrators are highly visible, but Muslims are only about ten percent of the population, whereas:

The poll, released Tuesday, found nearly half of the French people surveyed said they think it is "probably true" that Jews there are more loyal to Israel than France, an increase from years past. Asked if Jews "still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust," more than a third of the respondents agreed.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

So, I think that anti-semitism is still more represented by the non-Muslim population in France.

217 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:27:38pm

re: #215 CuriousLurker

I also handle all the rebate and insurance and stuff phone calls in our house, because I have nigh-infinite patience.

I'm also simultaneously listening to this right now:

[Link: www.myoldradio.com...]

218 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:29:09pm

re: #214 CuriousLurker

I'll say. There are people who seem to assume that because I'm Muslim I must dislike Jews, so they often feel quite free to say things that (I assume) they otherwise wouldn't. That pisses me off on a couple of levels.

Not quite the same, but for some reason, I get trapped in a lot of "just between us white guys" conversations. That's where I'm talking with another white person and they'll complain about "those people"; AKA, blacks, Hispanics, Mexicans, bascially anyone with a tan. Apparently, I'm not a team player.

It's usually with people I don't know very well. These conversations never, ever end pleasantly.

219 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:29:34pm

re: #213 Elias

Agreed but today unfortunately in France the anti-semitism we are seeing the most is this one, it's a fact, even leftist anti-racist organizations have admitted it.

Here is where we introduce you to an old LGF tradition:

Got a link for that?

220 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:30:20pm

re: #217 Obdicut

I also handle all the rebate and insurance and stuff phone calls in our house, because I have nigh-infinite patience.

I'm also simultaneously listening to this right now:

[Link: www.myoldradio.com...]

OMG, I have a good friend like that. She's polite but positively relentless. When I see her getting a certain look on her face I just groan because I know we're gonna be dealing with whatever it is for a longgg time. LOL

221 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:32:05pm

re: #218 Mattand

Not quite the same, but for some reason, I get trapped in a lot of "just between us white guys" conversations. That's where I'm talking with another white person and they'll complain about "those people"; AKA, blacks, Hispanics, Mexicans, bascially anyone with a tan. Apparently, I'm not a team player.

It's usually with people I don't know very well. These conversations never, ever end pleasantly.

Yeah, that too. Before I was Muslim I used to hear it amongst other groups as well.

222 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:32:15pm

re: #219 wrenchwench


[Link: www.licra.org...]

"These acts are the more often done by youngsters from the North-African immigration."

223 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:32:55pm

re: #216 Obdicut

Sentiments and actions are two different things.

224 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:33:28pm

re: #221 CuriousLurker

Yeah, that too. Before I was Muslim I used to hear it amongst other groups as well.

I'm not very Jewish-looking, and it doesn't come up that often, so I get to hear random anti-semitism as well as the always lovely "He tried to Jew me down on that deal" kind of bullshit.

Haven't heard it in a few years though, which is nice.

225 Kragar  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:33:56pm

GOP Senate Candidate Says Businesses Should Be Allowed To Deny Health Insurance To Cancer Patients

During a freewheeling interview with the News and Tribune, Mourdock said health care will be the “biggest issue” this election. The Indiana Republican, who opposes the Affordable Care Act, argued that businesses should be permitted to deny coverage to employees with cancer “if they want to keep their health care costs down.” “Does that employer have the right to do it?” Mourdock asked. “I would say yes they do”

From the interview:

Of particular interest to the candidate is a mandate that requires an employer to pay for certain services they may be morally opposed to — such as birth control — which Mourdock said he opposes.

Mourdock’s example was an employer who decided to cover everything but cancer.

“Does that employer have the right to do it? I would say yes they do if they want to keep their health care costs down but it also means it’s less likely you’re going to want to work here. If that employer wants to get the best employees coming in the door he’s going to offer the best insurance possible.”

226 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:35:45pm

re: #223 Elias

Sentiments and actions are two different things.

Well, kind of. Do you get my point? The anti-semitism in France is still driven by the European French, not Muslims.

In addition, there's still plenty of anti-Muslim xenophobia in France, which is part of the reason, I think, you get so many Muslim youth in France rioting. French xenophobia isn't likely to go away any time soon.

227 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:35:56pm

re: #225 Kragar

“Does that employer have the right to do it? I would say yes they do if they want to keep their health care costs down but it also means it’s less likely you’re going to want to work here. If that employer wants to get the best employees coming in the door he’s going to offer the best insurance possible.”

Anything is possible in Libertarian Fantasy Land! Praise be to the Invisible Hand!

228 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:36:26pm

re: #225 Kragar

GOP Senate Candidate Says Businesses Should Be Allowed To Deny Health Insurance To Cancer Patients

How long have we been hearing that one? "Businesses won't fuck over their employees, because their employees will just go somewhere else." Yeah, where? If you're 50 yrs old and develop cancer, and your employer says "Sorry hoss, but that's not covered by your insurance, on account of it being a budget buster," where the fuck you supposed to find employment? Hell, I don't even think Wal-Mart would hire you as a greeter.

229 iossarian  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:36:28pm

re: #225 Kragar

GOP Senate Candidate Says Businesses Should Be Allowed To Deny Health Insurance To Cancer Patients

1) base your country's healthcare system on the idea that employers pay for employee healthcare

2) allow employers to refuse to provide said healthcare

3a) profit (if you're an employer or shareholder)

3b) die in poverty (all other individuals)

230 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:36:47pm

re: #225 Kragar

And if you're not one of the best employees? If you just work really hard but you're not brilliant, or if you're young and inexperienced, or old and have lost a step on your skills? Well, fuck you, buddy, go work at the place that insures you only against alligator attacks, and stop whining.

231 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:38:21pm

re: #230 Obdicut

And if you're not one of the best employees? If you just work really hard but you're not brilliant, or if you're young and inexperienced, or old and have lost a step on your skills? Well, fuck you, buddy, go work at the place that insures you only against alligator attacks, and stop whining.

On the plus side, if you're bitten by an alligator, you probably don't need to ask LGF if you need to go see a doctor.

/

232 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:38:24pm

The Republican Party: The Only Rights That Matter To Us Are Employer's "Rights".

233 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:39:00pm

re: #222 Elias

[Link: www.licra.org...]

"These acts are the more often done by youngsters from the North-African immigration."

OK, thanks.

Now I have to learn French. BBIAB.

234 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:39:35pm

re: #226 Obdicut

It's a very complicated issue. But I can tell you the Jewish community is worried by this new form of anti-semitism since the second intifada. I assume that you saw what happened in Toulouse.

235 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:39:55pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

The Republican Party: The Only Rights That Matter To Use Are Employer's "Rights".

And this is where I facepalm/fall over laughing/weep openly when I discuss the openly corporatist nature of the Republican party and hear the MBF's dulcet tones.

236 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:40:26pm

re: #67 Mattand

I imagine Latinos will view that move as women did Palin's VP nom in '08: a insultingly shallow gimmick that insults their intelligence.

Choosing Rubio as GOP VP nominee "because he will attract the Latin vote," would be as culture deaf as when Bush/Cheney sent GOP bureaucrats who didn't understand the difference between Sunni & Shi'a Muslims to administer Iraq after Saddam fell.

Rubio is 2nd generation Cuban.

When an illegal Cuban immigrant steps on US dry land, they are no longer illegal. It's called "wet foot, dry foot."

No other Latin group has such an low bar to obtain legal residency.

237 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:42:35pm

re: #224 Obdicut

I'm not very Jewish-looking, and it doesn't come up that often, so I get to hear random anti-semitism as well as the always lovely "He tried to Jew me down on that deal" kind of bullshit.

Haven't heard it in a few years though, which is nice.

Well, we're taking South Texas 20+ years ago. The culture down there was wayyy different than anything you'd find on either coast (not that anti-semitism doesn't exist in those places as well). Hopefully, it's gotten better in since then.

238 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:43:32pm
239 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:43:35pm

re: #235 erik_t

And this is where I facepalm/fall over laughing/weep openly when I discuss the openly corporatist nature of the Republican party and hear the MBF's dulcet tones.

I'm looking into investing into some Shell No Pest strips for the little bastard.

240 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:44:56pm

re: #234 Elias

I get that you only want to talk about anti-semitism from the Muslim community, sure. I think you're underestimating the problem of non-Muslim anti-semitism. If nothing else, it makes the more extreme and violent anti-semitism more dangerous, because it's less likely to be prosecuted, investigated, etc.

Don't let your fear of Muslim anti-semitism blind you to the more present and systemic problems of old European anti-semitism-- especially since many of the most vocal anti-Muslims are racist shitheads who also hate Jews, however much they may pretend to love them in the current moment.

You do agree that there's a major problem with French xenophobia, right? Towards North Africans, Jews, Muslims, Roma?

241 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:46:00pm

After Toulouse, More Attacks on Jews

The beating of three Jewish men in Villeurbanne, outside of Lyon, by ten assailants believed to be of North African extraction is just the latest incident alarming French Jews.

Joël Mergui, president of the Central Consistory, an umbrella organization working to coordinate local Jewish communities, said the country’s Jews were under constant attack. “Not a week passes without anti-Semitic assaults in France. I refuse to believe Jews will be forced to choose between security and their Jewish identity.”

The chief rabbi of the Grand Synagogue in Lyon, Richard Wertenschlag, called the atmosphere “unbearable.”

“These incidents are becoming more and more frequent, so much so, alas, as to make one take them for granted,” he said

.

While French authorities talked about a crackdown on Muslim extremists after Toulouse, the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France (CRIF) told Le Figaro that incidents such as the one in Villeurbanne are becoming commonplace, noting that in the month after the incident, more than 140 attacks on Jews were perpetrated. But the problem is not just the scale of these assaults but also the unwillingness of many to confront the source of the problem.

Though attacks against Jews in Western Europe seem to be the province of Muslim immigrants, it is a mistake to view this violence as solely the result of the importation of Middle Eastern attitudes.


The flow of raw hate speech against Jews from Cairo and Tehran and other Arab and Muslim capitals is not to be underestimated, but the willingness of European intellectuals to lend their support to the demonization of the Jewish state has given these sentiments a patina of undeserved legitimacy.

The notion that there is a clean distinction between street violence and the effort to delegitimize Israel’s right to exist and defend itself cannot be sustained. European intellectuals may think they operate on a different level from street thugs. But the logical next step from the hounding of Jews on the editorial pages and in academia is clear. So long as Israel is singled out for unfair treatment and economic and academic boycotts of the Jewish state are treated as “human rights” causes, we should not be surprised that violence against Jews is on the upsurge.

242 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:47:24pm

re: #238 goddamnedfrank

LOL.

My Geek N Spell failed on that one. Translation, por favor?

243 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:48:18pm

re: #240 Obdicut

I think that currently the real threat is this anti-semitism. I wouldn't even call it Muslim because there are also virulent anti-zionists who are not Muslims. It's really a mix, you're right. But it's linked to the Middle East or at least to "Zionism". There are maybe ten types of anti-zionism.

244 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:48:18pm

This headline from the wingnut CNS News is just too funny not to post:

Obama Celebrates Anti-Police Riot Started at Mafia-Owned Bar for Transvestites

Re-post at free republic. Freeper comments add to the hilarity.

245 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:49:44pm

re: #243 Elias

Well, I think if Israel didn't even exist, there'd still be plenty of anti-semites in France.

And again:

You do agree that there's a major problem with French xenophobia, right? Towards North Africans, Jews, Muslims, Roma?

246 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:49:53pm

re: #242 Mattand

My Geek N Spell failed on that one. Translation, por favor?

A Quantum Theory of Mitt Romney

Fig. 2: A Feynman diagram of an encounter between a Romney and an anti-Romney. The resulting collision annihilates both, leaving behind a single electron and a $20 bill.

247 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:51:42pm

re: #246 goddamnedfrank

A Quantum Theory of Mitt Romney

NOW I get it! You should have posted this one as well!

248 bratwurst  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:51:47pm
249 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:52:47pm

re: #245 Obdicut

I would say that there is a problem of national cohesion. The society is completely divided and very radicalized.

250 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:53:30pm

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel

This headline from the wingnut CNS News is just too funny not to post:

Obama Celebrates Anti-Police Riot Started at Mafia-Owned Bar for Transvestites

Re-post at free republic. Freeper comments add to the hilarity.

Okay, that right there is the tipping point. I'm gonna go before I start losing brain cells. Later, lizards.

251 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:53:53pm

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel

This headline from the wingnut CNS News is just too funny not to post:

Obama Celebrates Anti-Police Riot Started at Mafia-Owned Bar for Transvestites

Re-post at free republic. Freeper comments add to the hilarity.

Yep. Starts off with:

The Nazi Party was founded in a gay bar.

And comedy ensues.

252 Elias  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:53:59pm

re: #245 Obdicut

Yes because the word "Zionists" has just replaced "Jews". But that's true for the non-Muslims and for the Muslims. Muslim Anti-Semitism does not only come from Israel.

253 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 2:55:40pm

re: #251 ArchangelMichael

Yep. Starts off with:

And comedy ensues.

A gay bar owned by an illegal immigrant, founded by a woman and built by the freemasons.

254 BongCrodny  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:00:23pm

From Mediaite:

Obama Picks John Kerry To Play Mitt Romney In Mock Debate Rehearsals

If this isn't the perfect example of typecasting I don't know what is.

255 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:02:27pm

re: #254 BongCrodny

From Mediaite:

Obama Picks John Kerry To Play Mitt Romney In Mock Debate Rehearsals

If this isn't the perfect example of typecasting I don't know what is.

Romney, meanwhile, will be practicing his debates against a pleasant, thoughtful, intelligent, charismatic Republican.

As soon as he can find one.

256 Kragar  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:08:07pm

I've had to expand my painting techniques over the last few days. Natural patterns are extremely different from regular skin tones, clothes or artificial patterns.

257 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:10:15pm

re: #254 BongCrodny

From Mediaite:

Obama Picks John Kerry To Play Mitt Romney In Mock Debate Rehearsals

If this isn't the perfect example of typecasting I don't know what is.

Meanwhile, on advice from some of his fellow Republicans, Romney will be conducting mock debate rehearsals using a trained chimp to replace Obama.

258 allegro  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:10:48pm

Roger Clemens found not guilty on all counts.

That is all.

259 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:11:08pm

re: #249 Elias

I would say that there is a problem of national cohesion. The society is completely divided and very radicalized.

What do you mean by 'completely divided'? The xenophobes vs. the immigrants/non-traditional French?

260 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:13:59pm

re: #253 Varek Raith

A gay bar owned by an illegal immigrant, founded by a woman and built by the freemasons.

Funny, they don't mention that it was named after a Christian Confederate general.

261 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:17:41pm

re: #258 allegro

Roger Clemens found not guilty on all counts.

That is all.

*deadpan* Imagine my surprise.

262 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:20:09pm

Heh. I see Pamela Geller replied to the Wonkette article on her wildly incoherent post (conspicuously ignoring the source, LGF), claiming she was in a rough cab ride and didn't realize it had been posted.

That must explain why she typed "Dan Wallace."

Truth is, drunk or not, the hateful intent behind her words comes through very clearly no matter how sloppily -- or carefully -- it's written.

263 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:22:24pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

Heh. I see Pamela Geller replied to the Wonkette article on her wildly incoherent post, claiming she was in a rough cab ride and didn't realize it had been posted.

That must explain why she typed "Dan Wallace."

Truth is, drunk or not, the hateful intent behind her words comes through no matter how sloppily -- or carefully -- it's written.

I wonder if the cab driver knew what she was up to somehow....

264 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:24:15pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

I wonder if the cab driver knew what she was up to somehow...

Cab drivers either know all, or nothing, in my experience.

265 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:27:29pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

Heh. I see Pamela Geller replied to the Wonkette article on her wildly incoherent post (conspicuously ignoring the source, LGF), claiming she was in a rough cab ride and didn't realize it had been posted.

That must explain why she typed "Dan Wallace."

Truth is, drunk or not, the hateful intent behind her words comes through very clearly no matter how sloppily -- or carefully -- it's written.

Here's the cached article.

266 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:30:11pm
For reasons that have not yet been revealed by the Chinese government, animated depictions of Tiangong's launch were broadcast with an instrumental version of "America The Beautiful." Other than that, there have been few anomalies.

heh.

267 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:33:41pm

re: #251 ArchangelMichael

Yep. Starts off with:

And comedy ensues.

Regarding Nazis AND homosexuals, here in the Bay Area, the cretin Michael Weiner aka "Savage Nation" dweeb is the one who perpetuates this grotesque idea.

269 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:37:43pm

re: #268 Lidane

The tiny pinprick of conscience? Nah. Just political expediency.

270 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:37:55pm
271 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:40:03pm

Uh oh - Mandy Nagy (aka Liberty_Chick) has invented a new scare story for the Twitter cons:

FEAR THE RAPID DOXING!

I'd never heard of this, so for the hell of it I Googled the phrase to see if it's a real thing - here's what I found:

[Link: www.google.com...]

272 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:40:16pm

Pam was obviously on her way to a hot date.

273 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:41:50pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

Uh oh - Mandy Nagy (aka Liberty_Chick) has invented a new scare story for the Twitter cons:

[Embedded content] FEAR THE RAPID DOXING!

I'd never heard of this, so for the hell of it I Googled the phrase to see if it's a real thing - here's what I found:

[Link: www.google.com...]

So, how long before she accuses you of being the mastermind?

274 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:42:20pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

One-result Google searches are hipster awesome.

275 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:43:26pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

That's a Googlewhack, isn't it?

I'll take "Shit that wingnuts pull out of their asses" for $600 Alex.

276 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:44:12pm

re: #274 Obdicut

One-result Google searches are hipster awesome.

It's a Googlewhack!

277 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:45:52pm

Probably won't be a Googlewhack for long, now that I posted that comment.

278 darthstar  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:48:29pm
279 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:48:56pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

Uh oh - Mandy Nagy (aka Liberty_Chick) has invented a new scare story for the Twitter cons:

[Embedded content] FEAR THE RAPID DOXING!

I'd never heard of this, so for the hell of it I Googled the phrase to see if it's a real thing - here's what I found:

[Link: www.google.com...]

Doxing itself is real. It's when someone releases personal info about you, usually gained through some hacking, on the web. "Dox" is hacker-ese for "documents."

I've generally seen it associated with Anonymous when they attack people. Ars Technicha has had some decent coverage of them over the last year or so. I'm wondering if Liberty Chick found one of these stories and decided it to bullshit it up, like the swatting stuff.

Scary leet libtard hackzorz R in UR webs, hackzing UR dox. Or something.

280 darthstar  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:50:25pm
281 Kragar  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:50:54pm

Rapid doxing is for amateurs, professionals go for slow thorough doxing.

282 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:51:46pm

re: #275 ArchangelMichael

Humor aside, Doxing is a real thing... it's scouring People search sites like pipl.com and who.is using usernames from forums to try to find personal information.

Not sure where the "rapid" part comes in though.

283 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:53:06pm

re: #280 darthstar

One more...

Image: 550886_3769980842134_1895835198_n.jpg

Too funny!

284 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:53:50pm

re: #279 Mattand

Doxing itself is real. It's when someone releases personal info about you, usually gained through some hacking, on the web. "Dox" is hacker-ese for "documents."

I've generally seen it associated with Anonymous when they attack people. Ars Technicha has had some decent coverage of them over the last year or so. I'm wondering if Liberty Chick found one of these stories and decided it to bullshit it up, like the swatting stuff.

Scary leet libtard hackzorz R in UR webs, hackzing UR dox. Or something.

Yeah, I know about "doxing," but "rapid doxing" is a new one.

These Twitter attackers have super-powers. They can find personal info on anyone in mere seconds just by looking at their Twitter profile. Dang, that's scary.

285 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:53:57pm

re: #282 ArchangelMichael

Humor aside, Doxing is a real thing... it's scouring People search sites like pipl.com and who.is using usernames from forums to try to find personal information.

Not sure where the "rapid" part comes in though.

I don't know. Maybe she;s talking about an automated script to scour someone's twitter feed for specific info or keywords.

286 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:54:56pm

Doxing....

Doxing is a technique of tracing someone or gather information about an individual using sources on the internet. Its name is derived from “Documents” or “Docx”. Doxing method is based purely on the ability of the hacker to recognize valuable information about his target and use this information to his benefit.

But how long will it take for this meme "rapid doxing" to catch on? I give it 24 hours.

287 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:56:59pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

Johnson, Jones or Smith can slow the search down significantly...

288 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 3:59:10pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

I don't know. Maybe she;s talking about an automated script to scour someone's twitter feed for specific info or keywords.

It still comes down to being able to recognize the stuff you want. I bet most would fail at this process.

289 jaunte  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:00:29pm

Orthodox... Heterodox... Accelerodox.

290 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:01:07pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I know about "doxing," but "rapid doxing" is a new one.

These Twitter attackers have super-powers. They can find personal info on anyone in mere seconds just by looking at their Twitter profile. Dang, that's scary.

Missed the "rapid" part. Yeah, that's dumb. I love how people's understanding of the internet derives solely from watching C-grade Hollywood movies.

291 Gus  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:02:28pm

Dufus doxing.

292 Gus  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:04:55pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I know about "doxing," but "rapid doxing" is a new one.

These Twitter attackers have super-powers. They can find personal info on anyone in mere seconds just by looking at their Twitter profile. Dang, that's scary.

Someone needs to make a page for Mandy at Encyclopedia Dramatica -- if they're still around.

293 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:07:56pm

re: #288 Varek Raith

It still comes down to being able to recognize the stuff you want. I bet most would fail at this process.

Ah, looking further into the conversation it wasn't the doxing that was rapid but the speed the personal info was being posted. Looks like some knuckleheads were posting personal info of random people using the hashtag for the wingnut blogger conference this weekend.

294 Gus  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:08:38pm

Oh. Here's my cue to come back later.

295 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:08:45pm

re: #201 Kragar

The Handmaid's Tale maybe.

Shhhh! Don't wanna give 'em any ideas.

296 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:08:53pm
Mandy Nagy ‏@Liberty_Chick

There's currently an organized intimidation attack on #RO12 tag, involving rapid research on responding targets. Block/report any abuse - RT

297 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:11:11pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Mandy Nagy ‏@Liberty_Chick
There's currently an organized intimidation attack on #RO12 tag, involving rapid research on responding targets. Block/report any abuse - RT

Riiiiight.

298 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:15:06pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

That's from June 16th

299 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:15:15pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Ah, looking further into the conversation it wasn't the doxing that was rapid but the speed the personal info was being posted. Looks like some knuckleheads were posting personal info of random people using the hashtag for the wingnut blogger conference this weekend.

Is that what you think it "looks like" or is that what actually happened?

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I get it, you're capable of reposting Mandy's unsupported assertions, having taken them at face value. What I don't see either you or her producing is actual proof.

300 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:17:27pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

I have no idea if the allegations are true but it's not hard to understand what she was talking about.

301 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:18:51pm

Conservatism on display in Wisconsin:

Then, pointing to a reporter in the audience, Hovde said he would love to see the press stop covering sad stories about low-income individuals who can't get benefits and start covering issues like the deficit more frequently.

"I see a reporter here," he said. "I just pray that you start writing about these issues. I just pray. Stop always writing about, 'Oh, the person couldn't get, you know, their food stamps or this or that.' You know, I saw something the other day -- it's like, another sob story, and I'm like, 'But what about what's happening to the country and the country as a whole?' That's going to devastate everybody."

302 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:18:58pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

I have no idea if the allegations are true but it's not hard to understand what she was talking about.

If you have no idea if the allegations are true why did you repeat them as if they were true?

303 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:24:46pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Erm, that's the tweet I posted in the last #TwitterGulag thread. Not sure why you think it's truthful. I checked that hashtag thread quite a few times and never saw any of this going on.

304 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:27:50pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Looks like some knuckleheads were posting personal info of random people using the hashtag for the wingnut blogger conference this weekend.

Do you have a tweet where this happened? Because I didn't see it, and I was scanning that hashtag over the weekend.

305 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:29:54pm

re: #303 Charles Johnson

Erm, that's the tweet I posted in the last #TwitterGulag thread. Not sure why you think it's truthful. I checked that hashtag thread quite a few times and never saw any of this going on.

I never made any claim about the truthfulness of the allegation. My post cited the source allegation...

Ah, looking further into the conversation it wasn't the doxing that was rapid but the speed the personal info was being posted. Looks like some knuckleheads were posting personal info of random people using the hashtag for the wingnut blogger conference this weekend.

I don't see it being outrageous to look at the conversation to see what they were talking about.

306 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:30:50pm

What a lovely guy!

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

307 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:32:52pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

OK, so you didn't see it happen either - you're just conjecturing based on Mandy Nagy's one tweet, right?

308 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:34:19pm

Excuse me, I just have to mark my territory.

309 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:35:27pm

re: #307 Charles Johnson

OK, so you didn't see it happen either - you're just conjecturing based on Mandy Nagy's one tweet, right?

I think that was clearly stated in my post and clarified several times afterward. I only looked at the conversation after you mentioned it and the conversation is the only knowledge I have on the issue.

310 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:36:04pm

re: #141 prairiefire

Question: Does anyone know of an over the counter medicine for spider venom?

Hey, what happened on this? Are you okay?

311 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:37:02pm

re: #308 Mega Elitest Elitist

Excuse me, I just have to mark my territory.

Dude, we have toilets for that these days!

//

312 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:38:01pm

re: #311 Targetpractice

Dude, we have toilets for that these days!

//

I just want to make sure nobody steals my chair.

313 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:39:04pm

re: #312 Mega Elitest Elitist

I just want to make sure nobody steals my chair.

Just put your jacket there. Or put down some thumbtacks.

314 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:39:41pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Ah, looking further into the conversation it wasn't the doxing that was rapid but the speed the personal info was being posted. Looks like some knuckleheads were posting personal info of random people using the hashtag for the wingnut blogger conference this weekend.

Actually, she is saying that the doxing is rapid. This would be the doxing:

There's currently an organized intimidation attack...involving rapid research...

The rest:

...on #RO12 tag...on responding targets. Block/report any abuse - RT

Means that whoever was doing this supposed "rapid doxing" was monitoring replies to the #RO12 hashtag looking for wingnuts to dox. Block/report may mean they were being baited and should report anyone who was doing so instead of responding (fat chance of that happening).

The whole thing is kind of nonsensical.

315 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:39:47pm

re: #313 Targetpractice

Just put your jacket there. Or put down some thumbtacks.

Oh.

316 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:40:04pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

I think that was clearly stated in my post and clarified several times afterward. I only looked at the conversation after you mentioned it and the conversation if the only knowledge I have on the issue.

I just want to be clear, because I see a lot of conjecturing in what you wrote that wasn't in Mandy Nagy's comments. And I didn't see her having a conversation about this either -- she's the only one I could find who claimed this was happening.

317 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:41:50pm

re: #314 CuriousLurker

Actually, she is saying that the doxing is rapid. This would be the doxing:

The rest:

Means that whoever was doing this supposed "rapid doxing" was monitoring replies to the #RO12 hashtag looking for wingnuts to dox. Block/report may mean they were being baited and should report anyone who was doing so instead of responding (fat chance of that happening).

The whole thing is kind of nonsensical.

flupflupflupflup.

(That was me flicking my bottom lip)

318 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:42:44pm

re: #314 CuriousLurker

Yes, she was definitely talking about the speed of the "doxing" - used the term "rapid research" as well.

319 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:44:49pm

Isn't Mandy the Brietbart research expert? Shouldn't she have some evidence to back her claim?

320 jaunte  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:45:49pm

re: #319 Mega Elitest Elitist

Asking for evidence = 'organized intimidation attack'

321 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:46:02pm

re: #319 Mega Elitest Elitist

Isn't Mandy the Brietbart research expert? Shouldn't she have some evidence to back her claim?

She's the one who claims that liberals plant all the racist comments at Breitbart.com, and she was going to release an "investigative report" proving it -- about 6 months ago now. No report to date.

322 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:46:33pm

re: #319 Mega Elitest Elitist

Isn't Mandy the Brietbart research expert? Shouldn't she have some evidence to back her claim?

Yes, the "investigative" reporter. //

323 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:46:53pm

re: #321 Charles Johnson

She's the one who claims that liberals plant all the racist comments at Breitbart.com, and she was going to release an "investigative report" proving it -- about 6 months ago now. No report to date.

No doubt the liberals got to her...somehow.

//

324 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:47:42pm

re: #321 Charles Johnson

She's the one who claims that liberals plant all the racist comments at Breitbart.com, and she was going to release an "investigative report" proving it -- about 6 months ago now. No report to date.

She still hasn't produced that report?

I guess the facts didn't match her imagination.

325 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:48:46pm

re: #321 Charles Johnson

She's the one who claims that liberals plant all the racist comments at Breitbart.com, and she was going to release an "investigative report" proving it -- about 6 months ago now. No report to date.

I didn't realize that's who is making these claims. I think it's safe to call bullshit now.

326 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:49:25pm

re: #319 Mega Elitest Elitist

Isn't Mandy the Brietbart research expert? Shouldn't she have some evidence to back her claim?

Image: oxymoron.jpg

327 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:51:01pm

re: #325 Mattand

I didn't realize that's who is making these claims. I think it's safe to call bullshit now.

Sometimes starting with your desired outcome and then looking for corroborating evidence doesn't work out.

Perhaps she's been trained by a creationist scientist.

328 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:53:05pm

re: #327 Mega Elitest Elitist

Sometimes starting with your desired outcome and then looking for corroborating evidence doesn't work out.

Perhaps she's been trained by a creationist scientist.

Confirmation bias: we actually had an example of that earlier on the thread. Do a search for Elias, with a special attention to Obdicut's responses.

329 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 4:56:38pm

re: #328 Mattand

Confirmation bias: we actually had an example of that earlier on the thread. Do a search for Elias, with a special attention to Obdicut's responses.

Yah, I saw that. I wondered how long Elias could stand upright in a hurricane.

I also saw a bunch of lizards jump on the Obdicut bandwagon.

Sorry, dudes, I was there first.

330 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:09:10pm

Evening Lizardim. What have I been missing?

331 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:09:11pm

The only good Mandy is Mandy Patinkin.

332 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:11:23pm

re: #331 goddamnedfrank

The only good Mandy is Mandy Patinkin.

And Mandy Hager.

333 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:12:24pm

re: #331 goddamnedfrank

The only good Mandy is Mandy Patinkin.

You killed my father.
Prepare to die.

334 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:12:47pm

re: #330 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. What have I been missing?

The Breitbart "journalist" who claimed that liberals were planting racist comments at Breitbart.com now says that someone is releasing conservatives' personal info when they respond to a Twitter hash tag.

Also, in a special episode, Charles learns he's no longer in charge when it's pointed out that cockfighting is illegal. Especially the version he was "participating" in.

Edit: I meant the Scott Baio character, not the owner of this blog. Sometimes I should think before I type.

335 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:12:56pm

re: #333 Mega Elitest Elitist

You killed my father.
Prepare to die.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

336 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:12:57pm

re: #332 Obdicut

And Mandy Hager.

Inconceivable!

337 Mattand  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:13:40pm

re: #335 thedopefishlives

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Is that where that comes from?

338 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:13:53pm

re: #337 Mattand

Is that where that comes from?

The very same.

339 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:15:21pm

re: #334 Mattand

The Breitbart "journalist" who claimed that liberals were planting racist comments at Breitbart.com now says that someone is releasing conservatives' personal info when they respond to a Twitter hash tag.

Also, in a special episode, Charles learns he's no longer in charge when it's pointed out that cockfighting is illegal. Especially the version he was "participating" in.

From this point forward, I refuse to believe a word any conservative douchecanoe says without explicit outside corroboration by multiple sources.

340 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:16:58pm

re: #329 Mega Elitest Elitist

I also saw a bunch of lizards jump on the Obdicut bandwagon.

Dude, the Obdicut bandwagon is a pretty pimp ride, has butt-warmers and a fully loaded bar.

341 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:19:28pm

re: #286 lawhawk

Doxing...

But how long will it take for this meme "rapid doxing" to catch on? I give it 24 hours.

Chicken Dox is highly contagious!

342 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:19:48pm

Rapid dedox!!!

343 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:22:04pm

re: #301 Amory Blaine

Conservatism on display in Wisconsin:

[Embedded content]

The failure of America, "I've got mine and I don't give a shit about my neighbor, or that poor sod in line next to me @ the grocery store"

344 Big Joe  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:29:20pm

Ohio's Jim Flechtner is demanding that the Aesculus glabra, better known as the Ohio Buckeye be revoked of state tree status because it bears male, female and bisexual flowers on the same tree.

346 bratwurst  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:32:01pm

BREAKING:

"White nationalism" group registers to lobby in Washington in order to speak out on “any activities that adversly afect [sic] the White Race.”

347 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:33:19pm

re: #346 bratwurst

BREAKING:

"White nationalism" group registers to lobby in Washington in order to speak out on “any activities that adversly afect [sic] the White Race.”

Too bad these "champions of the White Race" can't even be bothered to spell.

348 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:33:28pm

re: #343 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Eric Hovde message clashes with firm he founded

Wisconsin Senate candidate Eric Hovde distanced himself this week from an investment firm he helped found, declaring that one of the companies he once headed made a “stupid-ass” move in a newsletter urging investors to profit off a shift in U.S. tax law.

The January 2009 newsletter was published under Hovde company letterhead and advised clients to “Let Uncle Sam Pay for Your Acquisition.” The title of the memo referred to a change in the Treasury Department’s interpretation of the tax code, which allowed firms to write off larger pre-acquisition losses of distressed companies they acquired.

349 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:35:26pm

re: #345 Kragar

The Absurd Things George Zimmerman And His Wife Did To Try To Keep Their Money Secret

I don't think it comes as a surprise to anyone that George Zimmerman is a dumbass.

350 jaunte  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:38:46pm

re: #346 bratwurst

BREAKING:

"White nationalism" group registers to lobby in Washington in order to speak out on “any activities that adversly afect [sic] the White Race.”

Another pro-teachers group?

351 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:40:10pm

Clarification on Rubio and the Dream Act
Rubio Says Own Dream Act Derailed for Now

“People are going to say to me, ‘Why are we going to need to do anything on this now. It has been dealt with. We can wait until after the election,’” Sen. Rubio said in an interview. “And it is going to be hard to argue against that.”

In conceding that his own push was likely dead for now, Mr. Rubio also expressed anger at how the White House made its announcement Friday without consulting him or other members of the Republican Party. “We have never talked to anyone in the White House about their plans,” he said. “The only thing the White House has ever done about our ideas was to try to get some of the Dream Act kids not work with us.”
...
In the interview, Mr. Rubio blamed both Republicans and Democrats for lacking proper perspective on the issue. He expounded at some length on the need for legal changes to acknowledge that many illegal immigrants in the country came for the right reasons.

“We have to recognize that these are human beings, the vast majority of whom come here in search of a better life and better opportunities,” he said. “We have to approach this issue with a level of strong compassion for that human element as well.”

352 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:40:44pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

His own plan sucked.

353 bratwurst  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:42:06pm

What happens to a DREAM deferred?

355 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:42:48pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Clarification on Rubio and the Dream Act
Rubio Says Own Dream Act Derailed for Now

Gee Mr Rubio, do you think that Obama might have learned something after getting the figurative middle finger for the past three years whenever he tried to work with the Republicans in Congress about legislation?

356 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:43:13pm

re: #352 Obdicut

His own plan sucked.

And he never got around to submitting an actual bill.

357 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:43:36pm

re: #354 Kragar

Republican Congressman Will Introduce Legislation To Undo Obama’s Immigration Order

Yeah, let me know how they plan to enforce that legislation. Pro tip: The executive branch gets to enforce the laws.

358 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:44:16pm

re: #357 thedopefishlives

Yeah, let me know how they plan to enforce that legislation. Pro tip: The executive branch gets to enforce the laws.

Impeachment. If only they were that stupid. Unfortunately, they're politically canny enough not to actually impeach him, no matter how much they want to.

359 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:46:53pm

re: #358 Obdicut

Impeachment. If only they were that stupid. Unfortunately, they're politically canny enough not to actually impeach him, no matter how much they want to.

Yeah. Obama has done nothing criminal, let alone a "high crime or misdemeanor" that would be cause for impeachment. It would be mass political suicide on a breathtaking scale.

360 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:47:29pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Clarification on Rubio and the Dream Act
Rubio Says Own Dream Act Derailed for Now

So he spends weeks hyping a bill that doesn't exist, getting accolades for putting forward the idea...and then admits such a bill wouldn't go anywhere in the current Congress and drops it.

Hold on, let me put on my shocked face. *rolls eyes*

361 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:47:45pm

re: #345 Kragar

Sheesh. That transferring the money in amounts below $10,000 thing, that really looks bad. This isn't just a spur of the moment perjury thing, it was an active campaign of it.

362 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:47:52pm

re: #357 thedopefishlives

Off topic, but I wanted to ask you something - I've seen some comments you posted where you quoted a comment with an embedded tweet, and it showed up in your comment as a blockquote. I have some code that's supposed to substitute '[Embedded content]' for those kinds of quoted tweets, and my question is -- are you doing something unusual for those quoted comments (like copying and pasting from the source), or just using the 'Quote' button?

I wanted to know in case there's some kind of edge condition my regular expression code isn't handling correctly. Which browser and OS are you using?

363 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:48:36pm

re: #362 Charles Johnson

Off topic, but I wanted to ask you something - I've seen some comments you posted where you quoted a comment with an embedded tweet, and it showed up in your comment as a blockquote. I have some code that's supposed to substitute '[Embedded content]' for those kinds of quoted tweets, and my question is -- are you doing something unusual for those quoted comments (like copying and pasting from the source), or just using the 'Quote' button?

I wanted to know in case there's some kind of edge condition my regular expression code isn't handling correctly. Which browser and OS are you using?

My browsing is split between Windows 7 64-bit and Linux 64-bit. Both use Chrome as the browser. I also run in the thread-specific Spy mode all the time.

364 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:48:53pm

re: #363 thedopefishlives

Oh, yeah, and forgot to mention, I just hit the Quote button.

365 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:50:25pm

re: #357 thedopefishlives

Pro tip: The executive branch gets to enforce the laws.

Sort of but not really.
Why some illegal immigrants aren't celebrating Obama’s new policy

The catch, says Mr. Rico, is that ICE still holds the authority – Obama is only asking it to defer deportations. So far, the agency that has to some extent stonewalled the president’s previous calls to go easy on younger Latino immigrants. ICE deported a record 396,906 people during fiscal year 2011.

Obama has already attempted to rein in ICE. Last August, for example, he asked it to deport only the worst and most hardened criminals. But many undocumented immigrants do not trust the agency, and that might prevent them from coming "out of the shadows," as Sen. Richard Durbin (D) of Illinois put it, to apply for a deferral.

“We’ve got one person, Obama, saying you’re going to be safe," says Rico.

The Department of Homeland Security, of which ICE is a part, essentially acknowledge that in a press release. “Deferred action requests are decided on a case-by-case basis. DHS cannot provide any assurance that all such requests will be granted. The use of prosecutorial discretion confers no substantive right, immigration status or pathway to citizenship. Only the Congress, acting through its legislative authority, can confer these rights.”

It remains to be seen how much of an effect Obama's Presidential order will have.

366 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:53:17pm

re: #363 thedopefishlives

I also run in the thread-specific Spy mode all the time.

Ah ha. That was it - forgot to update the LGF Spy's javascript regex code. It's fixed now.

367 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:54:16pm
368 Big Joe  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:54:19pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

Sort of but not really.
Why some illegal immigrants aren't celebrating Obama’s new policy

It remains to be seen how much of an effect Obama's Presidential order will have.

Yeah, his relaxed medical marijuana prosecution plan doesn't seem to have relaxed much of anything.

369 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:57:39pm

Mitt Romney: Obama should get no credit for fixing economy

Mitt Romney abandoned his campaign bus briefly to take a boat trip up the Mississippi River in this eastern Iowa town, his second stop on day four of his five-day tour of six battleground states.

As he has at other stops on his itinerary, Romney used the occasion to hammer President Barack Obama on the economy. But it's tougher to hit home his message in Iowa, which is doing better economically than other key swing states. Among other things, Iowa's unemployment rate is currently 5.2 percent—several points lower than the national average.

As he has in recent days, Romney tweaked his stump speech a bit to acknowledge the reality that the economy has shown signs of improvement since Obama took office in 2009. But, speaking to a small group of supporters on "The Spirit of Dubuque," Romney said Obama doesn't deserve credit for any recovery.

"He doesn't understand how the policies he put in place made it harder for this economy to recover," Romney said. "And so today, I hope things are getting better. I think they are, the economy. I sure hope so. But it's no thanks to him. It's in spite of him."

Yeah because the economy was doing so gosh darned well before Obama got elected, the no good Commie just came in and tanked everything!

Tell me how any of Obama's policies are worse than the LACK of policies that got us into the financial mess in the first place.

Also, if you are trying to appeal to the average American, does it really make sense to campaign on a giant boat adorned with American flags?

370 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:58:20pm

re: #368 Purple Throbbing Standby

Yeah, his relaxed medical marijuana prosecution plan doesn't seem to have relaxed much of anything.

I think that a very similar situation. A legislative fix is required in both cases. I would guess that Obama's heart is in the right place on pot and immigration reform but this is politics. Statements and presidential orders are probably more about getting votes than solving problems.

371 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:59:35pm

re: #367 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

Testing.

372 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:59:55pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

Sort of but not really.
Why some illegal immigrants aren't celebrating Obama’s new policy

It remains to be seen how much of an effect Obama's Presidential order will have.

Also don't forget the stringent Immigration laws passed by Arizona, Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama along with other states. The Supreme Court is expected rule soon on the Arizona measure. IF Arizona wins the challenge, the laws these states have enacted will run in direct contrast to the executive order Obama just issued.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

373 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 5:59:58pm

re: #366 Charles Johnson

Ah ha. That was it - forgot to update the LGF Spy's javascript regex code. It's fixed now.

I suppose this is the price I pay for the crime of preferring Spy mode. Thanks, boss.

374 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:01:59pm

re: #368 Purple Throbbing Standby

Yeah, his relaxed medical marijuana prosecution plan doesn't seem to have relaxed much of anything.

I've looked and haven't seen any evidence that the DEA or other fed agencies under Obama have raided a single marijuana dispensary that was operating legally according to State and local law. So far it looks like all the raids conducted have been to shut down operations that were conducting business without permits. If there's evidence to the contrary I'd love to see it.

375 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:02:39pm

re: #366 Charles Johnson

I have been slow to get into twitter beyond retweeting content from here.
So I've been slow to adopt the tweet embed, just tried it recently.
I tried making some edit, it lost the format, I wound up re embedding. If I post a photograph with a tweet and embed it, will that work ok or should I do that differently? Wondering what happens if I post a 500K image with a twitter post and embed. Or should I keep to the 200k limit there if I plan to re post here?

376 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:03:15pm

re: #369 dragonfire1981

Mitt Romney: Obama should get no credit for fixing economy

Yeah because the economy was doing so gosh darned well before Obama got elected, the no good Commie just came in and tanked everything!

Tell me how any of Obama's policies are worse than the LACK of policies that got us into the financial mess in the first place.

Also, if you are trying to appeal to the average American, does it really make sense to campaign on a giant boat adorned with American flags?

Reads to me like a mash-up of two different talking points I've heard from wingnuts since last year, namely the "In Spite Of" and "Not Good Enough" ones. The first being that any recovery that happens is "In Spite Of" Obama's policies, that the economy would have recovered regardless. And the other is that thing are "Not Good Enough" because Obama's policies are holding the economy back.

377 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:05:47pm

re: #369 dragonfire1981

Mitt Romney abandoned his campaign bus briefly to take a boat trip up the Mississippi River in this eastern Iowa town, his second stop on day four of his five-day tour of six battleground states.

I really can't anything to that.

Of course he did.

378 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:08:06pm

re: #356 wrenchwench

And he never got around to submitting an actual bill.

Blah blah blah, I'm getting paid to be a GOP pundit. Talking points, I've got. Legislate, like I was hired to do? No way, toooo hard & no air time.

379 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:08:11pm

re: #375 Daniel Ballard

To place an embedded tweet, just paste in the URL of the tweet's individual page. No need to go to 'Details' and get the embed code any more.

Images shouldn't be a problem.

380 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:09:29pm

By the way, @Liberty_Chick has suddenly made her Twitter account private.

381 Kragar  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:10:25pm

re: #380 Charles Johnson

By the way, @Liberty_Chick has suddenly made her Twitter account private.

Hiding from the Gulag?

382 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:11:09pm

And I just added some code to automatically turn any text that starts with the '@' symbol into a link to the Twitter profile page for that username.

383 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:11:11pm

re: #380 Charles Johnson

By the way, @Liberty_Chick has suddenly made her Twitter account private.

Sounds like she's running scared.

I think they call that rabbiting.

384 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:13:06pm

re: #381 Kragar

Hiding from the Gulag?

The jackboots were sounding a little too close for comfort.

385 erik_t  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:13:10pm

re: #381 Kragar

Hiding from the Gulag?

Gulags, you see, are things you can choose to hide from by yelling your opinions to only your friends.

/

386 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:17:02pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

I think that a very similar situation. A legislative fix is required in both cases. I would guess that Obama's heart is in the right place on pot and immigration reform but this is politics. Statements and presidential orders are probably more about getting votes than solving problems.

Even if there is some political advantage it's not all upside for the President and it's not clear what the net effect will be. Statements and executive orders come with real world political liabilities as well. In a world where much of the electorate believes in literalistic legal interpretations Obama now stands against a purely strict "the law is the law" simple minded mentality. He got DADT reversed, he stopped defending DOMA in court even before he came out in favor of gay marriage, and now he's single handedly changing law enforcement policy with regards to certain illegal immigrants raised here as children.

These actions will have negative consequences for him in energizing his social conservative opposition, and even if the primary motivation in enacting them is to get votes the actions themselves also add to the overall inertia of societal change.

387 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:23:53pm

Seriously, Romney going out there and adopting the "The Economy Is Being Held Back!" slogan is fucking hilarious when he can't name how he'll unleash it. At least not without admitting that everything he'd do would be Bush Redux, the last 30+ years of failed "trickle down" economics on steroids.

388 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:23:53pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Your loss.

Well, hell, I'd be glad to, point is, I'd never received an invitation.

Oh well.

389 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:26:25pm

re: #387 Targetpractice

Seriously, Romney going out there and adopting the "The Economy Is Being Held Back!" slogan is fucking hilarious when he can't name how he'll unleash it. At least not without admitting that everything he'd do would be Bush Redux, the last 30+ years of failed "trickle down" economics on steroids.

Mitt Romney: The Economy is Being Held Back... by the very failed policies which I wholeheartedly endorse and which the Congressional GOP have been trying to enact over Obama's protests for the better part of 4 years.

390 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:27:01pm

re: #379 Charles Johnson

To place an embedded tweet, just paste in the URL of the tweet's individual page. No need to go to 'Details' and get the embed code any more.

Images shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for making it easy.
Right from when you started allowing photographs.

391 Big Joe  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:28:54pm

re: #374 goddamnedfrank

I've looked and haven't seen any evidence that the DEA or other fed agencies under Obama have raided a single marijuana dispensary that was operating legally according to State and local law. So far it looks like all the raids conducted have been to shut down operations that were conducting business without permits. If there's evidence to the contrary I'd love to see it.

From Cal NORML

Cal NORML Release Jun 8,2012

Yesterday, Attorney General Eric Holder lied to the House Judiciary Committee in testifying that his agency is only going after medical cannabis dispensaries and growers that are going "beyond what states had authorized."

Just days ago, the DOJ announced a new round of landlord letters in Los Angeles County. Targets included the Hope Collective in Whittier, which had been operating in full accordance with an ordinance approved by the city council in 2006. The collective's director, Robert Ortiz, says he was careful to operate transparently and in compliance with city rules, applying for an operating permit in 2009, and only opening in 2010 after receiving a conditional use permit with 49 conditions attached.

Many other well regarded, legally regulated medical cannabis facilities in California have been targeted by DOJ landlord letters despite taking pains to comply with local and state regulations. Examples include: the Berkeley Patients Group; the Marin Alliance in Fairfax; the Vapor Room, Hope Net, Divinity Tree, Shambhala, Medithrive and others in San Francisco; Coffee Shop Blue Sky and Oaksterdam University in Oakland; and Northstone Organics in Mendocino. In all of these cases, DOJ's actions have been denounced by local officials, but US Attorneys have insolently disregarded community sentiment.

In addition, DOJ has threatened state and local officials not to pass laws authorizing legal medical marijuana. In Mendocino County, the US attorney browbeat county supervisors into rescinding the sheriff's highly successful outdoor cultivation inspection system, which was bringing growers into compliance with security and environmental regulations and raised over $600,000 for the sheriff's department.

The DOJ's bad faith seriously impugns the credibility and competence of A.G. Holder and his administration.

- Dale Gieringer, Cal NORML

392 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:29:10pm

re: #387 Targetpractice

Seriously, Romney going out there and adopting the "The Economy Is Being Held Back!" slogan is fucking hilarious when he can't name how he'll unleash it.

He'll unleash it by being white.

Sad thing is that sociologically there's probably something to that. Perception is / influences reality and a rather huge class of investors simply either are / have chosen / or allowed themselves to be unsettled by a black President.

393 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:29:49pm

re: #330 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. What have I been missing?

I'm not wearing any pants. Film at 11.

394 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:30:55pm

re: #393 Eclectic Infidel

(Covers her eyes)

395 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:31:13pm

re: #369 dragonfire1981

Tell me how any of Obama's policies are worse than the LACK of policies that got us into the financial mess in the first place.

Not at all. In fact, I'm quite impressed the economy as increased on the upward swing as quickly as it has. From what I've seen, our industrial output is up to what it was pre-recession, more or less. What isn't up-to-snuff is the employment rate, and well, 3 things to say about that:

1) Employment is the most trailing indicator of recovery, not the leading indicator

AND

2) Our global and national economy has radically shifted - what was "employable" 5-10 years ago is simply not "employable" now, and we need to learn to make the shift

AND

3) Why should corporations hire when they have employees scared shitless to hang on to their jobs and produce more for no extra compensation? The big-wigs are enjoying this now.

A little bit of all these, if you ask me.

396 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:35:25pm

re: #395 SidewaysQuark

Not at all. In fact, I'm quite impressed the economy as increased on the upward swing as quickly as it has. From what I've seen, our industrial output is up to what it was pre-recession, more or less. What isn't up-to-snuff is the employment rate, and well, 3 things to say about that:

1) Employment is the most trailing indicator of recovery, not the leading indicator

AND

2) Our global and national economy has radically shifted - what was "employable" 5-10 years ago is simply not "employable" now, and we need to learn to make the shift

AND

3) Why should corporations hire when they have employees scared shitless to hang on to their jobs and produce more for no extra compensation? The big-wigs are enjoying this now.

A little bit of all these, if you ask me.

4) People are busy paying down all the debt they've acquired, particularly during the "good times" of the Bush Era, and so don't have the disposable income necessary to fuel a booming recovery right now.

5) Folks are being told, day in and out, that Europe/China/etc are on the verge of their own meltdowns, which will likely spark a new recession, so are socking away money into "rainy day" funds.

397 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:41:11pm

re: #396 Targetpractice

4) People are busy paying down all the debt they've acquired, particularly during the "good times" of the Bush Era, and so don't have the disposable income necessary to fuel a booming recovery right now.

5) Folks are being told, day in and out, that Europe/China/etc are on the verge of their own meltdowns, which will likely spark a new recession, so are socking away money into "rainy day" funds.

Well, as far as 5) goes, I DO think China is headed for a real estate crash not unlike we had.

398 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 6:48:17pm

re: #397 SidewaysQuark

Well, as far as 5) goes, I DO think China is headed for a real estate crash not unlike we had.

I don't doubt it, but I think the constant, daily drumbeat of how another recession is "right around the corner" is keeping people hesitant to get out there and spend money. Up til yesterday, we had doom-and-gloomers informing us that if the Greeks elected anybody but the pro-euro parties, that the markets would crash today and we'd be in another recession. Well, the pro-euros did get elected, and what do we hear now? "Spain's on the verge of collapse!"

It's reached the point where I really do expect to see a guy in a crisp suit standing out on Wall Street, holding a sign saying "The End Is Near!"

399 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 7:48:29pm

re: #398 Targetpractice

I don't doubt it, but I think the constant, daily drumbeat of how another recession is "right around the corner" is keeping people hesitant to get out there and spend money. Up til yesterday, we had doom-and-gloomers informing us that if the Greeks elected anybody but the pro-euro parties, that the markets would crash today and we'd be in another recession. Well, the pro-euros did get elected, and what do we hear now? "Spain's on the verge of collapse!"

It's reached the point where I really do expect to see a guy in a crisp suit standing out on Wall Street, holding a sign saying "The End Is Near!"

Well, personally, I think the Greek election results are good news. I think the "conservatives" there are on par with the "liberals" here, economically speaking.

But you're right about the gloom-and-doom forecast. Doesn't help anything, and you're right that there's a lot of vested interest in seeing to it that confidence in the US economy remains low, for the time-being.

400 efuseakay  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 9:01:08pm

Dear Mr. Spencer,

Let's say Mayor Bloomberg actually WAS a Muslim... and?

//

401 Elias  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:11:46am

re: #259 Obdicut

I think there a racist on both sides, among the immigrants and among the non-immigrants, on both sides they are growing and getting more noisy and visible.

402 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:48:15am

I've always been fascinated by the kind of mind necessary for someone to say the effective equivalent of "Your invisible skydad is a lie, all hail to my invisible skydad!"

403 Ming  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 8:22:51am

re: #262 Charles Johnson

Heh. I see Pamela Geller replied to the Wonkette article on her wildly incoherent post (conspicuously ignoring the source, LGF), claiming she was in a rough cab ride and didn't realize it had been posted.

That must explain why she typed "Dan Wallace."

Truth is, drunk or not, the hateful intent behind her words comes through very clearly no matter how sloppily -- or carefully -- it's written.

She may have revealed one of her "secrets" to writing inspired blog posts. First, get into a cab with a driver who "looks Muslim" to her. (If necessary, drink until any driver would "look Muslim".) Once she's in the cab, and watching the city go by, the artistic process begins. She contemplates the back of the poor driver's head, and imagines him to be a terrorist on a mission to bring down those tall buildings, because he's jealous of the "job creators" who built them. Now she's in the creative zone! She pulls out the laptop, gives polemic inspiration free reign, and hits Post. Yeah, baby!


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