ABC News: Rubio Not Being Vetted as Romney’s VP

Rubio has not been asked for any documents
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ABC’s Jonathan Karl says his GOP sources are telling him that Marco Rubio isn’t going to be Mitt Romney’s running mate.

Even before the Republicans chose a presidential nominee it was widely assumed that Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., would be at the top of anybody’s list of vice presidential candidates. The reasons are obvious: Not only is he young, charismatic and wildly popular with conservatives, but he could also help Republicans win a key state (Florida) and make inroads with Hispanics.

But knowledgeable Republican sources tell me that Rubio is not being vetted by Mitt Romney’s vice presidential search team. He has not been asked to complete any questionnaires or been asked to turn over any financial documents typically required of potential vice presidential candidates.

UPDATE at 6/19/12 4:19:50 pm

This afternoon Romney announced that his campaign was “thoroughly vetting” Sen. Rubio, contrary to ABC’s report.

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190 comments

1 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 11:57:59am

Well, Sarah Palin wasn't vetted as John McCain's VP, so have we really learned anything here?

/

2 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 11:59:39am

Romney seems to be avoiding McCain's mistake of finding a VP more interesting than he is. So no women, no minorities, just another boring white guy who's as indistinguishable from the wallpaper as Willard is.

3 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 11:59:41am

Lack of documents and background checking? OMFG! Rubio is Romney's pick for sure! That's exactly how they vetted Sarah Palin in 2008.

4 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:00:15pm

I wonder if he took himself out of the running because he has a bad feeling about Romney's chances in November. No one wants to be associated with a losing ticket. Plus, I really don't think he's what Romney is looking for in a running mate.

5 Lidane  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:00:37pm

If true, it's not surprising.

Romney needs the drooling knuckle-dragger wingnuts to win, and they hate Rubio for the same reason they hate Obama. A lot of those freaks are convinced Rubio's not a citizen either.

6 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:01:27pm

I blame the Birthers. They probably secretly believe that Rubio is another Manchurian Cuban Candidate.

7 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:03:01pm

Romney's lead down to 3. That's the McCain bounce for you.

8 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:03:22pm

re: #6 makeitstop

I blame the Birthers. They probably secretly believe that Rubio is another Manchurian Cuban Candidate.

Secretly? Try overtly. Farah and WND think Rubio isn't a natural born citizen.

9 Mattand  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:03:45pm

No Rubio means no potential increase in Hispanic votes. And if the yapping heads and their polls are to be believed, Romney has lost the Hispanic vote worse than McCain. Which means he's lost the election.

I'm calling it now, LOL!

10 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:04:36pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Secretly? Try overtly. Farah and WND think Rubio isn't a natural born citizen.

Rubio himself, when asked if he was qualified to be in the White House, only would say he was qualified to be in the Senate...granted, he was just being coy, but that doesn't help him with the birthers.

11 Gus  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:04:52pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

Romney seems to be avoiding McCain's mistake of finding a VP more interesting than he is. So no women, no minorities, just another boring white guy who's as indistinguishable from the wallpaper as Willard is.

How about Joseph Lieberman? He's a Republican right?

//

12 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:04:57pm

re: #9 Mattand

No Rubio means no potential increase in Hispanic votes. And if the yapping heads and their polls are to be believed, Romney has lost the Hispanic vote worse than McCain. Which means he's lost the election.

I'm calling it now, LOL!

I'm certainly optimistic, but there's a lot of work to be done solidifying Obama's standing and working down-ballot.

Call it a philosophical analog to 'trust but verify'.

13 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:05:20pm

re: #9 Mattand

No Rubio means no potential increase in Hispanic votes. And if the yapping heads and their polls are to be believed, Romney has lost the Hispanic vote worse than McCain. Which means he's lost the election.

I'm calling it now, LOL!

If the Hispanic vote turns out in AZ and NV and Colorado, Ohio will be meaningless.

14 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:07:08pm

re: #9 Mattand

No Rubio means no potential increase in Hispanic votes. And if the yapping heads and their polls are to be believed, Romney has lost the Hispanic vote worse than McCain. Which means he's lost the election.

I'm calling it now, LOL!

I don't think Rubio could have done much to assure them the Hispanic vote. Especially after junking his own DREAM Act wannabe and essentially admitting that immigration reform isn't going anywhere within his party right now.

15 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:08:09pm

re: #13 darthstar

If the Hispanic vote turns out in AZ and NV and Colorado, Ohio will be meaningless.

Call me crazy but I think Obama will be able to hit Romney in the rust belt. His let it fail ideas about industries that have been there for generations won't fly with voters who either they themselves or their families worked generations in an industry such as the automobile one. They may disagree with some of Obama's social stances but they'll have a bigger problem I think with Romney having a nonchalant attitude about their jobs.

16 allegro  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:10:15pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

They may disagree with some of Obama's social stances but they'll have a bigger problem I think with Romney having a nonchalant attitude about trashed their jobs.

He's gone way beyond nonchalance.

17 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:10:40pm

re: #16 allegro

He's gone way beyond nonchalance.

True that.

18 Lidane  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:11:22pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Secretly? Try overtly. Farah and WND think Rubio isn't a natural born citizen.

Which is hilarious. Sean Hannity's reaction when Farah started on the "Rubio's not a citizen" garbage was priceless.

19 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:11:25pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Didn't Romney joke about his dad shutting down a plant in Michigan to move it to Wisconsin? He may be the first presidential candidate to lose all three of his home states (Michigan, Massachusettes and California).

20 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:14:13pm
21 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:14:51pm

Figure when Willard finally does announce his VP pick, the first response will be "Who?"

22 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:14:55pm

re: #19 darthstar

Didn't Romney joke about his dad shutting down a plant in Michigan to move it to Wisconsin? He may be the first presidential candidate to lose all three of his home states (Michigan, Massachusettes and California).

Yes, he did. He did while campaigning in Wisconsin I believe. Anyhow, I really do think knowing what I know about Rust Belt voters that Romney will have trouble there. In some ways, Santorum may have been the better candidate for said region. As I said, these people aren't by and large social liberals but they also won't fall for Romney's business is always good and government is always bad rhetoric on economics.

23 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:16:15pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

Figure when Willard finally does announce his VP pick, the first response will be "Who?"

Her?

24 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:17:12pm

When can we expect the pick to be announced? Trying to recall when Palin and Biden were announced for McCain and Obama and honestly I'm drawing a blank here.

25 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:17:35pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

When Mitt gets desperate, he gets nasty (remember how he got into it with Rick Perry). The debates will be very trying for him because he'll be looking for any way he can to get Obama to lose his cool on stage. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pull Rev. Wright out in a debate.

I just hope his meltdown is spectacular and drags the rest of the GOP down a few points with him.

26 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:18:54pm

re: #25 darthstar

When Mitt gets desperate, he gets nasty (remember how he got into it with Rick Perry).

It's important to remember that, stunningly weak candidate though Romneybot may be, every other candidate was dramatically weaker.

Obama is not what I'd describe as a weak candidate.

27 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:19:18pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

When can we expect the pick to be announced? Trying to recall when Palin and Biden were announced for McCain and Obama and honestly I'm drawing a blank here.

McCain announced Palin 72 hours before the convention so there was no time for the media to get a background check on her. Biden was announced a few days earlier than the DNC convention than that I believe.

Romney will announce probably a few weeks before Tampa, so he can dominate the news going into the convention. Maybe even during the Democratic convention.

28 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:19:31pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

When can we expect the pick to be announced? Trying to recall when Palin and Biden were announced for McCain and Obama and honestly I'm drawing a blank here.

Probably later this summer. He just got the nomination recently. I think it usually happens in August.

29 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:20:02pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Probably later this summer. He just got the nomination recently. I think it usually happens in August.

Ah August. For some dumb reason I seemed to remember it as July.

30 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:21:02pm

He could still be the pick. He doesn't need to be vetted. After all, Obama wasn't vetted, and he's the President.

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31 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:21:40pm

re: #25 darthstar

When Mitt gets desperate, he gets nasty (remember how he got into it with Rick Perry). The debates will be very trying for him because he'll be looking for any way he can to get Obama to lose his cool on stage. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pull Rev. Wright out in a debate.

I just hope his meltdown is spectacular and drags the rest of the GOP down a few points with him.

I think the debates will be where Obama gets in the driving seat. Let's see him(Romney) try to claim Obama is an apologist without looking like a huge moron with Obama being there to respond or Obama to point out his inconsistencies.

32 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:21:48pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

It's been a while.

I've been wondering how the luthier business is going. How you are.

Did you ever try the LPS-3 rust preventive spray on the lathe?

(came to mind last week because I was doing contract work for an electronics company which is HQ's in Vancouver, WA)

33 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:23:07pm
34 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:23:10pm

Generic Lifesize Cardboard Cutout Declares "Not Interested"

enjoys his job outside of Albuquerque Walmart

35 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:24:08pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

When can we expect the pick to be announced? Trying to recall when Palin and Biden were announced for McCain and Obama and honestly I'm drawing a blank here.

vp picks are generally, but not always, announced in the middle of the convention, and give a speech the next day

36 Lidane  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:24:55pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

When can we expect the pick to be announced? Trying to recall when Palin and Biden were announced for McCain and Obama and honestly I'm drawing a blank here.

According to Wikipedia, Biden was announced as VP on August 22, 2008, a few days before the DNC. Palin was announced a week later, on August 29.

37 allegro  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:24:55pm

I hear Christine "Not a Witch" O'Donnell is looking for work.

38 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:25:01pm

re: #34 engineer cat

Generic Lifesize Cardboard Cutout Declares "Not Interested"

enjoys his job outside of Albuquerque Walmart

Ah, there's somebody who can enjoy the 3% humidity we're having.

39 alinuxguru  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:25:57pm

Why would you vet Rubio when you are going to pick Senator Portman from Ohio?

40 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:26:13pm

re: #32 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's been a while.

I've been wondering how the luthier business is going. How you are.

Did you ever try the LPS-3 rust preventive spray on the lathe?

(came to mind last week because I was doing contract work for an electronics company which is HQ's in Vancouver, WA)

Hey, How ya been? Luthier business is plugging along ok, but not great. I had a big sale fall through last week, People get nervous about big purchases when the stock market gets the jitters. I did spray down the lathe and it's holding up nicely. I had 250 sq foot attached greenhouse built over the winter. It does bring a lot of extra humidity into the house if I'm not careful.
What's new with you?

41 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:26:48pm

My odds are he chooses someone with strong social conservative creds and pull in areas where Newt and Santorum beat him in the primaries. Not sure who that would be but I think he will probably end up choosing someone with more populist rhetoric to counter his image as Mr. Businessman. Or he could go with someone very close to him and temperament and rhetoric.

42 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:27:48pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Speaking of.

43 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:29:02pm

re: #42 erik_t

Speaking of.

lol. It works!

44 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:32:01pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Hey, How ya been? Luthier business is plugging along ok, but not great. I had a big sale fall through last week, People get nervous about big purchases when the stock market gets the jitters. I did spray down the lathe and it's holding up nicely. I had 250 sq foot attached greenhouse built over the winter. It does bring a lot of extra humidity into the house if I'm not careful.
What's new with you?

Attaching a greenhouse? In THAT part of the country? You have a thing for pain! A friend from HS lived in Portland. Constant battle with mold. Old house and very large.

I'm plugging along too. Social Security plus contract work as a tech. The telecom industry here imploded, but Texas Instruments is healthy. Thank g*d.

Quit smoking 2 years ago. Put 9 gallons of paint on the interior of my apartment. I love it.

I can well imagine the second thoughts about buying an instrument. Last time we chatted (>2 yrs ago), your business had fallen off. I've seriously wondered if it was still alive.

45 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:32:55pm

Wow...37 meter climbing wall in the Netherlands...

Image: 598639_3972881077958_790486850_n.jpg

46 Gus  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:33:47pm

re: #45 darthstar

Wow...37 meter climbing wall in the Netherlands...

Image: 598639_3972881077958_790486850_n.jpg

You first.

47 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:33:51pm

If Romney picks ANYONE from the list of Republican failed contenders, I'm just going to smugly laugh my ass off.

48 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:34:12pm

re: #46 Gus

You first.

I'll wait in the basement.

49 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:34:37pm

re: #42 erik_t

Speaking of.

Next, an internal combustion engine made of wood, and wooden wheels for the car it powers./

(this strikes me as someone with way too much free time.)

50 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:35:42pm

re: #46 Gus

You first.

It takes me hours to drink up the courage to climb off a bar stool once I get on one.

51 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:35:44pm

re: #45 darthstar

Wow...37 meter climbing wall in the Netherlands...

Image: 598639_3972881077958_790486850_n.jpg

Probably not insurable in the US.

52 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:35:45pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

My odds are he chooses someone with strong social conservative creds and pull in areas where Newt and Santorum beat him in the primaries. Not sure who that would be but I think he will probably end up choosing someone with more populist rhetoric to counter his image as Mr. Businessman. Or he could go with someone very close to him and temperament and rhetoric.

After all the "help" the socons gave him in the Primaries, if I was in his shoes, I'd give them the middle finger, write off the far-right and aim for the middle. But, that won't happen.

53 Gus  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:36:54pm

re: #51 Achilles Tang

Probably not insurable in the US.

Damn liberals.

//

54 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:37:41pm

re: #52 SidewaysQuark

After all the "help" the socons gave him in the Primaries, if I was in his shoes, I'd give them the middle finger, write off the far-right and aim for the middle. But, that won't happen.

I would too but neither of us are desperate for them to see me or you as one of them. Romney wants them to think he's one of them.

55 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:39:23pm
56 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:40:07pm

re: #50 darthstar

It takes me hours to drink up the courage to climb off a bar stool once I get on one.

Then you'd bladder be sure you're willing to stay up there a while!

57 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:40:59pm

That's a clown question, bro.
--Senator Reid.

58 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:41:33pm

re: #56 erik_t

Then you'd bladder be sure you're willing to stay up there a while!

Urine my way! Move!

59 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:42:10pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Nic is blue. Keep in touch. (Not one I use often so if you don't get an immediate reply, it's not necessarily because of senility.)

Also, Dianna says to tell you "Hi!"

60 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:43:54pm

One informal Romney adviser suggested that a candidate who’s seen his stock improve is former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, in part because Pawlenty would do anything but overshadow Romney. A runner-up in the 2008 veepstakes, Pawlenty is said to be especially appealing to Ann Romney, who’s built a rapport with Pawlenty’s wife, Mary.

Ohio Sen. Rob Portman and Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan are also generally perceived as short-listers for Romney. Each of them, along with Pawlenty, joined Romney for portions of his swing-state bus tour over the last five days.

romney/pawlenty - have you tried saying it out loud?
romney/portman - closet unopened, skeletons unknown
romney/ryan - yeah right

61 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:44:39pm

re: #59 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nic is blue. Keep in touch. (Not one I use often so if you don't get an immediate reply, it's not necessarily because of senility.)

Also, Dianna says to tell you "Hi!"

Will do! Nice to hear you guys are doing well.

62 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:45:09pm

re: #60 engineer cat

One informal Romney adviser suggested that a candidate who’s seen his stock improve is former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, in part because Pawlenty would do anything but overshadow Romney. A runner-up in the 2008 veepstakes, Pawlenty is said to be especially appealing to Ann Romney, who’s built a rapport with Pawlenty’s wife, Mary.

Ohio Sen. Rob Portman and Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan are also generally perceived as short-listers for Romney. Each of them, along with Pawlenty, joined Romney for portions of his swing-state bus tour over the last five days.

romney/pawlenty - have you tried saying it out loud?
romney/portman - closet unopened, skeletons unknown
romney/ryan - yeah right

Romney/Ryan - Rich And Loving It.

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:48:30pm

re: #60 engineer cat

One informal Romney adviser suggested that a candidate who’s seen his stock improve is former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, in part because Pawlenty would do anything but overshadow Romney. A runner-up in the 2008 veepstakes, Pawlenty is said to be especially appealing to Ann Romney, who’s built a rapport with Pawlenty’s wife, Mary.

Ohio Sen. Rob Portman and Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan are also generally perceived as short-listers for Romney. Each of them, along with Pawlenty, joined Romney for portions of his swing-state bus tour over the last five days.

romney/pawlenty - have you tried saying it out loud?
romney/portman - closet unopened, skeletons unknown
romney/ryan - yeah right

Pawlenty actually makes a ton of sense on paper given what I know about Pawlenty.

64 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:48:57pm

Recruiting mission?

Wouldn't be the first one, just the first one in a long time.

65 Sionainn  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:50:25pm

re: #45 darthstar

Wow...37 meter climbing wall in the Netherlands...

Image: 598639_3972881077958_790486850_n.jpg

That is awesome!

66 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:51:04pm

re: #45 darthstar

Wow...37 meter climbing wall in the Netherlands...

Image: 598639_3972881077958_790486850_n.jpg

...

I get scared if I'm more than two stories above the ground. Ain't no frakin' way I'd try climbing that.

67 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:51:43pm

It's a pretty safe bet that Romney is going to go far-right with his VP pick, to rally the hardcore SoCon/TeaPartier contingent. Problem is, they have to find someone who's not so batshit-crazy that they won't completely alienate what few moderates, and swing-voters who are borderline Romney votes.

Also, there is the matter that in nationwide polling, most of the nutcases have HEAVILY negative approval numbers, especially when put head-to-head with Obama/Biden.

68 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:53:40pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

...

I get scared if I'm more than two stories above the ground. Ain't no frakin' way I'd try climbing that.

No safety harness? There's no way I'd climb more than 10 feet up that.

69 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:54:16pm

re: #67 RadicalModerate

It's a pretty safe bet that Romney is going to go far-right with his VP pick, to rally the hardcore SoCon/TeaPartier contingent. Problem is, they have to find someone who's not so batshit-crazy that they won't completely alienate what few moderates, and swing-voters who are borderline Romney votes.

Also, there is the matter that in nationwide polling, most of the nutcases have HEAVILY negative approval numbers, especially when put head-to-head with Obama/Biden.

They'll probably go with someone like Pawlenty or Portman, both of whom have solid conservative records yet don't have the reputation of being overly hysterical in rheotric. Then again it's said Mitt is considering Paul Ryan who equates his budget plan with the Bible.

70 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:54:16pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

BTW ... No.

Friendship.

71 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:54:23pm

re: #68 RadicalModerate

No safety harness? There's no way I'd climb more than 10 feet up that.

That guy is roped in.

72 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:55:25pm

re: #68 RadicalModerate

No safety harness? There's no way I'd climb more than 10 feet up that.

Screw climbing it - imagine building it.

73 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:55:38pm

I hate heights. Someone remind me of how I jumped off a bridge into a river.

74 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:56:20pm

The problem is no sane GOP wants to risk being on the losing ticket and effectively cut himself out of a 2016 run.

75 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:56:29pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

I hate heights. Someone remind me of how I jumped off a bridge into a river.

You were pushed?

//

76 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:56:43pm

re: #70 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW ... No.

Friendship.

Then why did you stay away until he's rumored among the stalker blogs to be banned any minute? Some friend.

BIAB.

77 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:56:59pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

I hate heights. Someone remind me of how I jumped off a bridge into a river.

Do not trust the shover robot.

78 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:57:01pm

re: #74 Kragar

The problem is no sane GOP wants to risk being on the losing ticket and effectively cut himself out of a 2016 run.

Considering the current state of the GOP, I don't think your concern is relevant.

79 Artist  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:57:27pm

re: #74 Kragar

The problem is no sane GOP wants to risk being on the losing ticket and effectively cut himself out of a 2016 run.

That assumes there's anyone sane left in the GOP at this point.

80 Sionainn  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:57:29pm

re: #68 RadicalModerate

No safety harness? There's no way I'd climb more than 10 feet up that.

He's on a rope.

81 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:57:52pm

re: #78 SidewaysQuark

Considering the current state of the GOP, I don't think your concern is relevant.

Sane being a relative term.

82 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:58:27pm

Gone.

83 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:59:31pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

You were pushed?

//

Haha, I still don't know how I did it actually. I got on the bridge and immediately my heart starts beating and I tell the guys and girl I'm with that I have a heart condition. "Dude maybe you shouldn't jump." Decided I was up there that I may as well try it. Ended up being fun. The time in between jumping and landing was such an awesome thrill. Never felt anything like that before or since.

84 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:59:45pm

re: #82 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gone.

Take care.

85 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 12:59:54pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

They'll probably go with someone like Pawlenty or Portman, both of whom have solid conservative records yet don't have the reputation of being overly hysterical in rheotric. Then again it's said Mitt is considering Paul Ryan who equates his budget plan with the Bible.

I can't see Paul Ryan as a viable possibility. His approval numbers outside his home district are in the same range as Gov. Rick Scott (FL) and Gov. John Kasich (OH).

86 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:00:45pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Haha, I still don't know how I did it actually. I got on the bridge and immediately my heart starts beating and I tell the guys and girl I'm with that I have a heart condition. "Dude maybe you shouldn't jump." Decided I was up there that I may as well try it. Ended up being fun. The time in between jumping and landing was such an awesome thrill. Never felt anything like that before or since.

Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

/

87 Sionainn  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:01:06pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Haha, I still don't know how I did it actually. I got on the bridge and immediately my heart starts beating and I tell the guys and girl I'm with that I have a heart condition. "Dude maybe you shouldn't jump." Decided I was up there that I may as well try it. Ended up being fun. The time in between jumping and landing was such an awesome thrill. Never felt anything like that before or since.

That would be considerably more scary than rock climbing. I couldn't do it!

88 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:01:21pm
89 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:01:47pm

re: #85 RadicalModerate

I can't see Paul Ryan as a viable possibility. His approval numbers outside his home district are in the same range as Gov. Rick Scott (FL) and Gov. John Kasich (OH).

I can't either. Ryan strikes me as a future Romney appointee. I think Paul knows he has limited statewide appeal which is why he's never given higher office a run.

90 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:03:05pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

I can't either. Ryan strikes me as a future Romney appointee. I think Paul knows he has limited statewide appeal which is why he's never given higher office a run.

There's murmuring that he's considered a "front-runner" for '16. Not that I really believe it, but stranger things have happened.

91 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:03:10pm

Can you imagine the GOP blowup if Romney chose a Muslim Republican (are there any of them left?) as a running mate?

92 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:03:40pm

Good news, poor people! Pretty soon, you'll get to start pulling your weight around here!

The United States tax code favors lower income Americans too much already and should be restructured to make it fairer to upper income earners, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said.
In an interview that aired on "CBS This Morning" Tuesday, the Kentucky Republican said he is ready to sit down with "this president or the next president" and have an animated discussion about the tax code to "reach a conclusion" that would bring down the ballooning U.S. deficit.

"Almost 70 percent of the federal revenue is provided by the top 10 percent of taxpayers now. Between 45 percent and 50 percent of Americans pay no income tax at all. We have an extraordinarily progressive tax code already. It is a mess and needs to be revisited again," McConnell said in the interview, taped Monday.

93 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:04:05pm

re: #72 makeitstop

Screw climbing it - imagine building it.

Building it is pretty easy. You just have to have a crane, and a few cement trucks handy to stand it upright for anchoring when it's completed.

94 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:04:15pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

There's murmuring that he's considered a "front-runner" for '16. Not that I really believe it, but stranger things have happened.

Is this same Paul Ryan who had the budget plan that would pretty much destroy this country overnight?

95 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:05:03pm

re: #92 erik_t

Good news, poor people! Pretty soon, you'll get to start pulling your weight around here!

Bleed the poor white! Daddy needs a new gold-plated yacht!

96 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:05:09pm

The United States tax code favors lower income Americans too much already and should be restructured to make it fairer to upper income earners, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said.

In an interview that aired on "CBS This Morning" Tuesday, the Kentucky Republican said he is ready to sit down with "this president or the next president" and have an animated discussion about the tax code to "reach a conclusion" that would bring down the ballooning U.S. deficit.

Oh those poor suffering rich people, they really need a break don't you think?

97 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:05:22pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

There's murmuring that he's considered a "front-runner" for '16. Not that I really believe it, but stranger things have happened.

Lunatic North-Midwest Members of Congress have such a sterling record in recent GOP presidential races.

/

98 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:05:29pm

re: #92 erik_t

Good news, poor people! Pretty soon, you'll get to start pulling your weight around here!

I thought using the government as an arbitrator of fair and foul was bad. Oh that's only when it involves helping people less off have an opportunity to improve their social status.

99 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:05:48pm

re: #94 dragonfire1981

Is this same Paul Ryan who had the budget plan that would pretty much destroy this country overnight?

The very same.

100 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:06:25pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I thought using the government as an arbitrator of fair and foul was bad. Oh that's only when it involves helping people less off have an opportunity to improve their social status.

If we make being poor unpleasant enough, those lazy poor people will finally get off their ass and work so they stop being poor. It's really doing them a favor, you see.

101 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:06:30pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I thought using the government as an arbitrator of fair and foul was bad. Oh that's only when it involves helping people less off have an opportunity to improve their social status.

Say it with me: Capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich

102 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:07:17pm

What the hell is this? I can barely begin to describe how messed up this is:

Texas teacher has students line up to beat bully

103 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:09:49pm

re: #101 dragonfire1981

Say it with me: Capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich

I like that, I like that a lot actually.

104 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:11:10pm

Barton: 'Many of the Clauses we Find in the Constitution are Literal, Direct Quotations out of the Bible'

Barton claims that if you "check that language of the Constitution against the Bible, you will go 'that is an exact quote!'" and then declares that Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution, which guarantees to every state a Republican form of government, "came directly out of Exodus 18:21, Deuteronomy 1: 13-16, and Deuteronomy 16:18":

We have heard Barton make the bogus claim about Exodus 18:21 before but the Deuteronomy citations are new so, for the record, here are the passages that Barton claims were directly quoted in our Constitution:

Deuteronomy 1:13-16

Choose some wise, understanding and respected men from each of your tribes, and I will set them over you.”

You answered me, “What you propose to do is good.”

So I took the leading men of your tribes, wise and respected men, and appointed them to have authority over you—as commanders of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties and of tens and as tribal officials. And I charged your judges at that time, “Hear the disputes between your people and judge fairly, whether the case is between two Israelites or between an Israelite and a foreigner residing among you.

Deuteronomy 16:18

Appoint judges and officials for each of your tribes in every town the Lord your God is giving you, and they shall judge the people fairly.

We challenge anyone to find these "literal, direct quotations out of the Bible" printed anywhere in the US Constitution.

105 Gus  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:12:19pm
106 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:12:45pm

re: #104 Kragar

Barton: 'Many of the Clauses we Find in the Constitution are Literal, Direct Quotations out of the Bible'

And we worry about Shariah Law when there are guys like Barton who have influence that actually want to make biblical and secular law one and the same. Barton scares me honestly.

107 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:13:22pm

re: #104 Kragar

108 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:13:39pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

And we worry about Shariah Law when there are guys like Barton who have influence that actually want to make biblical and secular law one and the same. Barton scares me honestly.

Hey, Huckabee thinks every American should be forced to listen to him at gun point. How bad can he be?
/

109 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:16:05pm
110 darthstar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:16:38pm

Oh, jesus...

Image: 579873_384556364943775_1027775719_n.jpg

If you can't read the text, it talks about how LOTR is a good read, but rips off Harry Potter too much.

111 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:17:15pm

re: #108 Kragar

Hey, Huckabee thinks every American should be forced to listen to him at gun point. How bad can he be?
/

Obviously the second incarnation of Jefferson. Saw his historical white washing of Jefferson Saturday agh, nothing I hate more than revising history to match your own prejudices.

112 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:19:54pm

re: #110 darthstar

Oh, jesus...

Image: 579873_384556364943775_1027775719_n.jpg

If you can't read the text, it talks about how LOTR is a good read, but rips off Harry Potter too much.

"Hey look,the Monkees, they were a huge inspiration for the Beatles."

113 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:19:56pm

re: #104 Kragar

Barton: 'Many of the Clauses we Find in the Constitution are Literal, Direct Quotations out of the Bible'

Shit, I just challenge Barton to find the word "God" anywhere in the Constitution.

114 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:20:03pm

Engle: 'The Homosexual Agenda Can Be Broken' or the Judgment of God 'Brings us to Rubble'

Preaching at The Call: Virginia last month, Lou Engle insisted that “the homosexual agenda can be broken.” If not, he warned, America may be doomed. Engle, who promoted the prayer rally by calling on attendees to channel Confederate generals to “restrain” the demonic powers behind the “homosexual agenda,” said that they can succeed “not because of our boastfulness or our greatness, but because of our repentance, because of a great revival and maybe even a great shaking and judgment that brings us to rubble so we finally get desperate enough to return to the Lord.”

I'm calling their bluff. Bring on the rubble!

115 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:20:39pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

Shit, I just challenge Barton to find the word "God" anywhere in the Constitution.

Because it's always rendered as THE LORD in the Bible. Duh.

/

116 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:21:37pm

OT conundrum time - do I refinance and pay PMI to get into 20 yr mortgage at a better interest rate (1%+ better than current 30yr), or stick with my current mortgage and overpay even more to reduce the term/overall interest.

It would all depend on a $400 appraisal (nonrefundable of course). If the house comes in at value, then no PMI and we go ahead. If it doesn't, then it depends on how much it's off. If it's close to what the bank currently estimates, then it doesn't make sense.

Ah, the joys of declining home values... can't take advantage of historically low interest rates if you're trying to refi. But, if you're renting and looking to buy and have your nest egg intact, you could really land a sweet deal.

117 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:21:50pm

Haven't these end times preachers been babbling on for centuries about how end times are near because we tolerate "insert something normal here that bothers crazy nuts."

118 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:22:34pm

re: #115 erik_t

Not in my Bible it doesn't. /

Oh, and does your God sound like Bill Cosby, or is that just me?/

119 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:23:06pm

re: #104 Kragar

Barton: 'Many of the Clauses we Find in the Constitution are Literal, Direct Quotations out of the Bible'

Reading these passages, that sounds more like the priests/religious leaders appoint who gets to be local leaders and judges. That isn't a constitutional republic, that would be a theocracy, very much like what they have in Iran.

120 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:23:13pm

re: #114 Kragar

Engle: 'The Homosexual Agenda Can Be Broken' or the Judgment of God 'Brings us to Rubble'

I'm calling their bluff. Bring on the rubble!

"Channel Confederate generals"? Be careful about channeling Jackson, lest you find yourself less an arm.

121 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:23:26pm

re: #116 lawhawk

#teamrentingwithnestegg

Inspection tomorrow! Super excited.

122 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:24:51pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

It's always the End Times for someone or another.

It's gonna happen. Soon. I promise. I'll get back to you when I've recalculated my dates. /Harold Camping.

123 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:25:50pm

re: #119 RadicalModerate

Reading these passages, that sounds more like the priests/religious leaders appoint who gets to be local leaders and judges. That isn't a constitutional republic, that would be a theocracy, very much like what they have in Iran.

That's what Barton wants- a theocracy where the rule of the bible cannot be questioned and if you do so, you should be punished.

124 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:26:01pm

re: #96 dragonfire1981

The United States tax code favors lower income Americans too much already and should be restructured to make it fairer to upper income earners, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said.

In an interview that aired on "CBS This Morning" Tuesday, the Kentucky Republican said he is ready to sit down with "this president or the next president" and have an animated discussion about the tax code to "reach a conclusion" that would bring down the ballooning U.S. deficit.

Oh those poor suffering rich people, they really need a break don't you think?

Yes, the top 10% owns roughly 85% of the wealth in this country and those poor bastards pay 70% of the taxes. We need those poor people to pick up that 15% of taxes even though they don't own that wealth. Makes perfect sense, more tax for the people that have less.

125 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:27:01pm

Julian Assange really doesn't want to go to Sweden, applied for asylum today at the Ecuadorian embassy in London. In some ways I'm sympathetic, I've never heard of another private citizen being extradited over the equivalent of a material witness warrant. On the other hand his own friends have said he confessed to them he had an agreement with Swedish prosecutors to return for more questioning and he appears to have broken that promise. I still think that more than a year of house arrest and extradition without an actual charge being filed is kind of bullshit, but he also seems to have taken every opportunity to make things more difficult for himself.

I think if he'd simply returned to Sweden everything would probably be long over by now. It seems doubtful that the Swedes would turn him over to the US, but that's ostensibly what he's afraid of. What I don't think he either understands or properly cares about is that his actions are indicative of a guilty conscience.

126 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:27:14pm

re: #122 lawhawk

It's always the End Times for someone or another.

It's gonna happen. Soon. I promise. I'll get back to you when I've recalculated my dates. /Harold Camping.

Right, that's why I laugh at 2012 loons. People have been predicting the end of the world for as long as civilization itself.

127 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:27:47pm

re: #114 Kragar

Engle: 'The Homosexual Agenda Can Be Broken' or the Judgment of God 'Brings us to Rubble'

I'm calling their bluff. Bring on the rubble!

Calling on Confederate generals?

If all else fails, hey, let's try sedition and/or treason.

128 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:27:49pm

Democratic Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones from Cleveland said Portman, "compared to other Republicans, is pleasant and good to work with."

heh

On April 18, 2006, President Bush nominated Portman to be the Director of the Office of Management and Budget;

oh, i forgot - portman as vp reminds everybody of how much w blew out the budget

so, it's teh pawlenty then...

129 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:28:31pm

re: #124 RayFerd

Yes, the top 10% owns roughly 85% of the wealth in this country and those poor bastards pay 70% of the taxes. We need those poor people to pick up that 15% of taxes even though they don't own that wealth. Makes perfect sense, more tax for the people that have less.

Bring back the lords!

130 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:29:20pm

re: #104 Kragar

Barton: 'Many of the Clauses we Find in the Constitution are Literal, Direct Quotations out of the Bible'

that's why we have import restrictions on fabrics that mix wool and linen

excuse me, i have to go tell my second youngest wife how to deal with the house slaves...

131 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:29:38pm

re: #128 engineer cat

Democratic Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones from Cleveland said Portman, "compared to other Republicans, is pleasant and good to work with."

heh

On April 18, 2006, President Bush nominated Portman to be the Director of the Office of Management and Budget;

oh, i forgot - portman as vp reminds everybody of how much w blew out the budget

so, it's teh pawlenty then...

Yeah I doubt they choose someone with direct ties to Bush's administration.

132 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:30:47pm

re: #127 RadicalModerate

Calling on Confederate generals?

If all else fails, hey, let's try sedition and/or treason.

Nah, it's cool, I know where Sherman is buried.

Would all y'all like to try this again?

133 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:31:41pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

I'll wait in the basement.

I'll be in DC.

134 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:31:46pm

re: #130 engineer cat

that's why we have import restrictions on fabrics that mix wool and linen

excuse me, i have to go tell my second youngest wife how to deal with the house slaves...

I think Deepwater Horizon was a seekrit US Government plot to destroy all the shellfish!

135 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:32:31pm

re: #124 RayFerd

Yes, the top 10% owns roughly 85% of the wealth in this country and those poor bastards pay 70% of the taxes. We need those poor people to pick up that 15% of taxes even though they don't own that wealth. Makes perfect sense, more tax for the people that have less.

Not to mention the advocation of a VERY strong religious presence designed to keep the serfs from doing too much independent thinking or opposing the monied ruling class.

Humanity tried feudalism once, it really didn't end too well for the nobility.

136 Renaissance_Man  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:40:18pm

re: #135 RadicalModerate

Not to mention the advocation of a VERY strong religious presence designed to keep the serfs from doing too much independent thinking or opposing the monied ruling class.

Humanity tried feudalism once, it really didn't end too well for the nobility.

But back then they didn't have FOX to keep millions of serfs too distracted by hate to question their lot. Now, opportunity knocks.

137 jaunte  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:42:08pm

Happy Juneteenth, everyone.

Juneteenth is the oldest known celebration commemorating the ending of slavery in the United States. Dating back to 1865, it was on June 19th that the Union soldiers, led by Major General Gordon Granger, landed at Galveston, Texas with news that the war had ended and that the enslaved were now free. Note that this was two and a half years after President Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation - which had become official January 1, 1863. The Emancipation Proclamation had little impact on the Texans due to the minimal number of Union troops to enforce the new Executive Order.

138 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:43:01pm

re: #82 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gone.

Still logged in, actually.

139 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:43:21pm

re: #137 jaunte

Happy Juneteenth, everyone.

On facebook today, Tim Kaine, Va's former governor who is running for Senate had a nice message on it. Just another reason why I prefer him over the racially insensitive Allen.

140 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:44:12pm

re: #136 Renaissance_Man

But back then they didn't have FOX to keep millions of serfs too distracted by hate to question their lot. Now, opportunity knocks.

Why Democrats Want You To Be Unprotected By Your Feudal Lord And Let Your Family Be Massacred By Musselmen Who Worship The Demon Mahomet

wait a minute that's what they say right now...

141 allegro  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:46:48pm

re: #124 RayFerd

Yes, the top 10% owns roughly 85% of the wealth in this country and those poor bastards pay 70% of the taxes. We need those poor people to pick up that 15% of taxes even though they don't own that wealth. Makes perfect sense, more tax for the people that have less.

Funny how they always "forget" to mention this little factoid when whining about how they pay most of the tax dollars.

142 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:47:57pm

re: #141 allegro

Funny how they always "forget" to mention this little factoid when whining about how they pay most of the tax dollars.

F-350 drivers pay more gas tax than tea-sippin' Smart car drivers! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!1

143 iossarian  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:48:29pm

re: #141 allegro

Funny how they always "forget" to mention this little factoid when whining about how they pay most of the tax dollars.

Also funny that a great many Republican voters who blindly follow their leaders' opposition to taxes on wealth have zero net worth.

144 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:48:49pm

re: #141 allegro

Funny how they always "forget" to mention this little factoid when whining about how they pay most of the tax dollars.

So what if I make over 9 figures a year and have enough stock options to wallpaper every square inch of my house? So what if I can use the company jet to go to the company resort for a vacation paid for with company funds? And so what if I spend more time on the golf course in a week than you have in your entire life? Damnit, my daddy worked hard to get me this position, and I think it's wrong that I gotta pay so many taxes because of that!!!

145 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:53:14pm

6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying

All of a sudden, it's like you can't make huge amounts of money without people getting all pissed off about it. And it's only going to get worse -- with the election coming up and the weather getting warmer, this whole "Occupy" movement is probably going to come back strong. The 1 percent will feel even more besieged than before.

"What the hell?" you're probably thinking, if you're somehow both rich and reading an article with this title, "I didn't crash the economy!" You might even be tempted to take to a microphone, to defend yourself and your wealthy friends. But before you do, I want you to stop and ask yourself, "Will this make me sound like an out-of-touch douchebag?"

146 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:56:50pm
What They Think They're Saying:

"If you punish success, society will collapse into communism!"

What We Hear:

"I have to pay higher taxes than my gardener! Waaaah!"

147 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:56:55pm

re: #145 Kragar

6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying

There were a lot of good items on that list. What angers me most though is when they claim saying the rich need to be taxed more is class warfare and then they engage it on it themselves on those who make less. You see it on Fox all the time. What Paul Ryan proposes/supports is much more class warfare than anything the administration supports.

148 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:57:42pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

There were a lot of good items on that list. What angers me most though is when they claim saying the rich need to be taxed more is class warfare and then they engage it on it themselves on those who make less. You see it on Fox all the time.

It's only "class warfare" when the poor fight back.

149 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:00:04pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

It's only "class warfare" when the poor fight back.

Unflattering comparisons can be made to Manifest Destiny and the western expansion of the United States.

150 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:00:10pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

It's only "class warfare" when the poor fight back.

All wars are initiated by the defenders. If they hadn't fought back, there wouldn't have been any war.

151 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:00:45pm

What They Think They're Saying:

"Come on, we're all in this together! It's not like I have infinite money."

What We Hear:

"When my family's Aruba vacation went over budget, that was exactly like you being unable to afford medication for your child's excruciating chronic illness!"

152 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:02:24pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Julian Assange reallyWhat I don't think he either understands or properly cares about is that his actions are indicative of a guilty conscience.

...leave out the conscience part, I think.

153 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:04:26pm

Kennedy Institute Rejects Scott Brown’s ‘Unprecedented’ Debate Demand

Republican Sen. Scott Brown’s terms for debating Democratic nominee Elizabeth Warren at the Edward M. Kennedy Institute in Massachusetts were rejected Tuesday, a move that prompted Brown to pull out of the event altogether.

The Kennedy Institute rebuffed the Brown campaign’s demand that Vicki Kennedy, widow of the late Sen. Ted Kennedy and president of the institute named in his honor, pledge to not make any endorsement throughout the Senate race.

“This non-endorsement pledge is unprecedented and is not being required of any other persons or entities. To us, such a pledge seems inappropriate when a non-media sponsor issues a debate invitation,” Kennedy Institute chief operating officer Lisa McBirney and chief of staff Christopher Hogan wrote in a letter released Tuesday.

154 iossarian  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:09:45pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

Someone call the wahmbulance for Downtown Scottie Brown.

155 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:11:15pm

Former friend of Bryan Fischer affirms New Yorker profile as accurate

Why Bryan Fischer's Divisive Politics Don't Work - "Bully Pulpit" in The New Yorker.

I used to feel like I had to put everything into one of two categories: right and wrong. There were certain things that were the right things to do, while other things were simply wrong to ever consider. It's a default stance to take for anyone who needs answers to every question, and I believe a lot of people have felt that same way. What I've found is that arrogance, a hard heart, and the inability to consider the opinions of others often comes with the need to decide what is right and wrong. I know it did for me. These days, I ask a different question.

"What works, and what doesn't work, in living and sharing the love of Christ?"

On June 18th an article entitled "Bully Pulpit" is being run in The New Yorker magazine. The article is about Bryan Fischer - his life, history, current doings, and the controversy his opinions and rhetoric have stirred up in recent months. Jane Mayer, the author of the piece, interviewed me. Bryan was my pastor in the 90's at Community Church of the Valley. This is a quote from the piece in regards to my son, Nate.

Dennis Mansfield came to a similar conclusion in 2000, when he was running for Congress. Six days before the election, his teen-age son was arrested on drug charges. Mansfield says that, although he had helped found Community Church, Fischer told him that he was unfit to be an elder there, arguing that if he couldn’t run his own house properly he couldn’t run God’s house. “It was such a painful experience,” Mansfield says. His son died after a long battle with addiction. Fischer attended the funeral.

Apperently Bryan has said that this portion of the article is not true. I stand beside the author's words - what has been reported is correct.

156 Mattand  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:11:23pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

It's only "class warfare" when the poor fight back.

I noticed that meme seems to have died down. There's nothing more irritating than watching a wealthy politician on TV scream "class warfare" because a millionaire is being asked to kick in an extra 10 grand in taxes.

157 allegro  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:14:59pm

re: #156 Mattand

I noticed that meme seems to have died down. There's nothing more irritating than watching a wealthy politician on TV scream "class warfare" because a millionaire is being asked to kick in an extra 10 grand in taxes.

While spending $100+ million on PACs to get people elected to reduce his taxes by 10 grand. Makes great economic sense.

158 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:23:03pm

i thought it was only class warfare when the sixth graders fight back

159 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:26:09pm

Well, according to the breaking news blip from my CNN app, doctors just pronounced Mubarak "clinically dead."

160 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:27:59pm

Basically, your brain drains the pleasure from the current things you own and do in order to motivate you to keep hunting and gathering

on the other hand, some of us have 'things I need' lists that don't have any items on them that you can buy with money. here's mine:

1. new girlfriend
2. ability to speak spanish much better
3. learn and write more tunes and get hot club band together

161 blueraven  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:28:13pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

Kennedy Institute Rejects Scott Brown’s ‘Unprecedented’ Debate Demand

Oh brother, looks like he is taking a page from pointy boots.

Perry made such outrageous demands about debates over the years, he got away without having them.
Looks like that no debate strategy backfired during the National Republican debates.
ooops!

162 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:30:50pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

163 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:32:11pm

re: #162 Worrell-Rimshot 2012!

[Embedded content]

Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak dies

164 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:34:05pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak dies

I guess he wanted to complete his sentence as fast as possible.

165 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:38:49pm

"I never got a job from a poor person."

-- Sean Hannity

no millionaire ever cleaned the toilet for me

166 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:40:11pm

"The top 1 percent of wage earners in the United States pays 40 percent of the income taxes and the top 10 percent of wage earners pay 90 percent of the income taxes ... the very people that we expect to reinvest in our economy and to create jobs in our country."

-- Speaker of the House John Boehner

so when are they gonna start?

167 jaunte  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:42:23pm

re: #165 engineer cat

"I never got a job from a poor person."

Millions of poor people, buying stuff that costs less than $5; that's what gives me a job.

168 thecommodore  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:44:57pm

I think he'll probably choose Sheldon Adelson, his new sugardaddy.

169 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:45:03pm

re: #166 engineer cat

"The top 1 percent of wage earners in the United States pays 40 percent of the income taxes and the top 10 percent of wage earners pay 90 percent of the income taxes ... the very people that we expect to reinvest in our economy and to create jobs in our country."

-- Speaker of the House John Boehner

so when are they gonna start?

Just as soon as they've beat us down to the point where working 16 hours a day in a factory for just enough money to pay the room and board at a company owned barracks seems like a good idea.

170 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:45:51pm

re: #167 jaunte

"I never got a job from a poor person."

Millions of poor people, buying stuff that costs less than $5; that's what gives me a job.

Yeah. One rich person spending $40,000 on something doesn't carry/match the economic stimulus of 40,000 not so rich people spending $10.00 each on food and the like. If the not so rich don't have any money, the economy tanks.

171 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:45:55pm

re: #167 jaunte

"I never got a job from a poor person."

Millions of poor people, buying stuff that costs less than $5; that's what gives me a job.

i'd like to see em make a zillion dollars without employees, customers, or borrowing other people's money

172 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:46:40pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

Just as soon as they've beat us down to the point where working 16 hours a day in a factory for just enough money to pay the room and board at a company owned barracks seems like a good idea.

dingdingdingdingdingdingding!

173 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:47:19pm

Just a drive-by to say "I whhhhhhhant one!"

174 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:48:43pm

re: #167 jaunte

"I never got a job from a poor person."

Millions of poor people, buying stuff that costs less than $5; that's what gives me a job.

My job comes from people buying NEW CARS. The more people who are employed and making good money, the more secure my job is!

175 erik_t  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:48:54pm

re: #170 RayFerd

Yeah. One rich person spending $40,000 on something doesn't carry/match the economic stimulus of 40,000 not so rich people spending $10.00 each on food and the like. If the not so rich don't have any money, the economy tanks.

Even true when you call it $400,000 or 40,000 x $10!

176 Kragar  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 2:55:36pm

Giving a company a tax break to create a job doesn't work if no one can afford the goods or services the job will create.

If more people have the money available, companies will create jobs to match the increased demand.

177 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:03:24pm

Evening Lizardim. How go things in the war on derp?

178 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:03:38pm
179 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:04:45pm
180 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:05:41pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

Schrodinger's casket.

181 efuseakay  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:06:22pm

No vetting for Rubio? Looks like he's Romney's VP pick!

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182 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:06:53pm

re: #179 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Ah, I see our article posted earlier was based on anonymous sources.

183 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:07:03pm
184 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:07:38pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see our article posted earlier was based on anonymous sources.

he sure does get around!

185 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:17:56pm

Not sure what this is going for money wise in the art world, but I have several replications of it on my property if anyone is interested

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

186 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:18:15pm

anonymous

i'm a big admirer of his victorian pornography

187 bratwurst  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:22:26pm

Absolute worst part about Arsenio getting his show back? Donald Trump's self-congratulatory congratulations.

188 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:26:06pm

re: #186 engineer cat

anonymous

i'm a big admirer of his victorian pornography

I'm more a fan of his early work as a `15th century composer.

189 simoom  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:32:41pm

re: #179 lawhawk

Chuck Todd

@chucktodd
Per @GarrettNBCNews, Romney just said on cam that "of course" Rubio is being vetted for VP. #baseuprising?

Is Rubio still in good standing with the base lately? I don't think he was ever really serious about putting his Dream Act variant to paper and introducing it, but post Obama's announcement the base seems to have started thinking he was, and have been sending a lot of vitriol his way in RW blog comment sections. Maybe this update is more the Romney campaign trying to prevent a mini-feud with Rubio's camp (who were feeling Rubio was being kind of dissed by the leak) and also any potential annoyance from the Cuban American community & Florida Republicans at treating Rubio disrespectfully.

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

An ill-timed leak to ABC News that Marco Rubio isn't being vetted for the vice presidency has prompted head-scratching among the Florida Senator's allies, coming as it does on the day his autobiography is released.

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

"I think it’s interesting that the only person being singled out in this rumor is Marco," said Ana Navarro, an adviser to one of Rubio's strongest backers — former Gov. Jeb Bush.

"Either we’re being punked and he is being vetted and they are trying to create the element of surprise, or someone has an ax to grind with him, or he’s not being vetted and someone wants him to be," she told BuzzFeed earlier today.

Navarro expanded in a second interview on the "ax to grind" point, fingering Romney senior adviser Stuart Stevens as a possible source of the leak.
Navarro said that while she hasn't spoken to Rubio about the veracity of the ABC report, the leak was "dumb."

"The bottom line is someone in Romney campaign spoke out of turn," she said. "Whether it's true or false, who knows. But it sure was dumb. It's going tp take 'em off their messaging for the day/bus tour and they're gonna have to do some damage control. They unnecessarily dissed a very popular figure of the conservative base and the most prominent Hispanic Republican. Romney has nothing to gain from this."

190 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jun 19, 2012 3:55:53pm

I predict Romney will stay true to form and announce that he will tell us who his VP will be after he has won the election. If he tells us before that people might not vote for him.

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