President Obama Invokes Executive Privilege in ‘Fast and Furious’ Fake Outrage

Checkmating Darrell’s partisan witch hunt
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And the right wing blogs are howling in unison like frustrated banshees, of course: Obama Asserts Executive Privilege on Fast and Furious Documents.

Washington (CNN) — An extraordinary House committee hearing began considering a contempt measure against Attorney General Eric Holder on Wednesday even though President Barack Obama asserted executive privilege over documents sought by the panel investigating the botched Fast and Furious gun-running sting.

Committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California, said the White House assertion of executive privilege “falls short” of any reason to delay the hearing.

However, the committee’s top Democrat, Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, accused Issa of setting an “impossible standard” for Holder by demanding documents the attorney general is legally prohibited from providing.

Issa has “no interest in resolving” the dispute with Holder, Cummings said.

UPDATE at 6/20/12 10:53:03 am

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1 Kronocide  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:45:21am

A House Committee Investigation to Nowhere.

2 erik_t  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:45:30am

Laser-like focus on vaginas automated sandwiches gays brown people probably vaginas again dumb program that we already talked about the economy.

3 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:45:51am

Executive privilege- it goes both ways, whodula thunk.

4 Kronocide  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:46:19am

JOBS!

5 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:46:46am
6 Kragar  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:47:37am

HOW DARE OBAMA EXERCISE ONE OF THE POWERS OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH?!

7 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:50:34am

And if the documents were released, the right wingers would immediately label them as fakes and finger Obama for deceiving the good people of the USA.

8 jaunte  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:50:55am

James M. Cole, Deputy Attorney General, to Constitutional Scholar Darrell Issa:

As I noted at the outset, the President, in light of the Committee's decision to hold the contempt vote, has asserted executive privilege over the relevant post-February 4 documents. The legal basis for the President's assertion of executive privilege is set forth in the enclosed letter to the President from the Attorney General. In brief, the compelled production to Congress of these Executive Branch documents generated in the course of the deliberative process concerning the Department's response to congressional oversight and related media inquiries have significant, damaging consequences. As I explained at our meeting yesterday, it would inhibit the candor of such Executive Branch deliberations in the future and significantly impair the Executive Branch's ability to respond independently and effectively to congressional oversight. Such compelled disclosure would be inconsistent with the separation of powers established in the Constitution and would potentially create an imbalance in the relationship between these two co-equal branches of the Government.

9 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:50:57am

Tyrant! Dictator! Most Corrup PresidentExecutive in History! Impeach!

10 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:52:27am
11 Bulworth  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:52:59am

Don't Tread on Me with your phony "Executive Privilege"! Unconstitutional!

12 jaunte  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:56:53am

Charles P. Pierce:

"I'd like to believe that this is all now just a war of tactics leading toward some sort of resolution — I'll see your contempt citation and raise you executive privilege — just as I'd like to believe that Darrell Issa would awaken tomorrow morning as something more than Lee Atwater with a seat in Congress. I am not optimistic. If this is more evidence that the president has tumbled to the fact that his political enemies are completely unappeasable, well, that penny took god's own time to drop, but I'm glad it did. They want Eric Holder's head on a stick. They should be told, repeatedly, where that stick should be stored."
[Link: www.esquire.com...]

13 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:57:44am

I challenge these same Congressional Republicans to say with a straight face that Obama's invoking of Executive Privilege is less valid than the GW Bush Administration's invocation regarding their withholding documents related to the reasons behind why the Iraq invasion was greenlit.

14 Kronocide  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 10:58:41am

DON IMUS: Digressing here, um, there's a lot of talk, unfortunately, about Donald Trump raising; not about him ; but about him raising this birth certificate issue, which is what's your view on that?

ISSA: You know, the man is president. If Donald Trump wants to go back, that's fine, that's his decision. He may or may not be right. Most of us think that it's not an issue and that he's unlikely to prove that he wasn't born in America. What we do care about is, that we don't think that President Obama is good for America, and we'd like to see him not get a second term. And we'd like to have a debate about what President Obama did wrong in these first two years and he's still doing wrong in many cases.

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15 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:00:20am

Poll: Majority of Floridians support Rick Scott's "voter purge" efforts

Strong support exists in Florida for Republican Gov. Rick Scott's effort to purge illegal immigrants from state voter rolls, according to a new poll.

By a margin of 60 percent to 35 percent, registered voters surveyed by Quinnipiac University's Polling Institute say they back the state voter purge, which has been legally challenged by the Justice Department for appearing to violate the Voting Rights Act and the National Voter Registration Act. The American Civil Liberties Union has also filed a lawsuit to stop the effort.

Wednesday's poll shows clear partisan backing, with 90 percent of Republicans voicing support for the purge and 8 percent opposed. A majority of Democratic respondents broke the other way, with 60 percent opposing the purge and 33 percent supporting it. The poll was conducted June 12-18 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.4 percentage points.

Ethnically, whites were most supportive of the plan, while blacks were least. Hispanics trended slightly in favor of the purge, with 49 percent expressing support and 42 percent opposing it.

Scott has been staunchly defending his effort in the face of criticism that it will disenfranchise legal voters.

There's a part of that is stunned we still have to deal with issues like this in 2012.

16 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:00:48am

re: #14 Kronocide

DON IMUS: Digressing here, um, there's a lot of talk, unfortunately, about Donald Trump raising — not about him — but about him raising this birth certificate issue, which is — what's your view on that?

ISSA: You know, the man is president. If Donald Trump wants to go back, that's fine, that's his decision. He may or may not be right. Most of us think that it's not an issue and that he's unlikely to prove that he wasn't born in America. What we do care about is, that we don't think that President Obama is good for America, and we'd like to see him not get a second term. And we'd like to have a debate about what President Obama did wrong in these first two years and he's still doing wrong in many cases.

This message sponsored by Americans for Subpoenas

Typical Republican elected official that won't admit if he's a birther or not. I think the he may or may nots are even worse than the actual birthers because at least you know what you're getting rather than some passive aggressive bull like Issa is giving here.

17 elizajane  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:01:26am

The Obama presidency has been almost unbelievably scandal-free relative to most others. The Republicans cannot deal with this so they are doing their very best to make Fast and Furious, a Bush-administration initiative, into an Obama scandal. But however much the right-wing blogs rant and rave on this one, the public seems almost entirely uninterested. The public may be a little bit smarter than the Republicans give them credit for.

18 jaunte  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:02:31am

re: #14 Kronocide

"We'd like to have a debate about anything to do with Obama, but please don't ask what we would do to fix your problems."

19 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:02:45am

re: #13 RadicalModerate

I challenge these same Congressional Republicans to say with a straight face that Obama's invoking of Executive Privilege is less valid than the GW Bush Administration's invocation regarding their withholding documents related to the reasons behind why the Iraq invasion was greenlit.

See, that's different. Obama has to do whatever the Congressional GOP wants because that's bipartisanship.

20 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:04:12am

re: #13 RadicalModerate

I challenge these same Congressional Republicans to say with a straight face that Obama's invoking of Executive Privilege is less valid than the GW Bush Administration's invocation regarding their withholding documents related to the reasons behind why the Iraq invasion was greenlit.

Or this, from 2007:

White House refuses to answer subpoenas
Constitutional showdown possible over firing of federal prosecutors

WASHINGTON — President Bush, moving toward a constitutional showdown with Congress, asserted executive privilege Thursday and rejected lawmakers' demands for documents that could shed light on the firings of federal prosecutors.

Bush's attorney told Congress the White House would not turn over subpoenaed documents for former presidential counsel Harriet Miers and former political director Sara Taylor. Congressional panels want the documents for their investigations of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' stewardship of the Justice Department, including complaints of undue political influence. [...]

21 simoom  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:05:43am

Week after week, Issa’s team leaks like a sieve to the media cherry-picked documents, excerpts and paraphrased hearsay from the thousands produced so far and asks for more. Issa broadcasted what he was planning to do with his position before he even started up the oversight committee. Perhaps this was always going to end in a contempt vote, as the GOP eventually seems to get there when Dems control the white house. The last time the Oversight commitee took up a similar action was during the GOP's Clinton-era witch hunt against AG Janet Reno in '98.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

A contempt resolution against Holder would mark the first time since 1998 that a congressional committee has taken such an action against the nation’s top law-enforcement official. And the exertion of executive privilege is Obama’s first. President George W. Bush exerted it six times, and President Bill Clinton used it 14 times.

22 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:06:36am

I want them to tell Americans with a straight face how they proposed fixing the deficit while opposing tax increases on the highest earners and any cuts to the defense budget. You cannot and should get any leeway if you refuse to as Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney have to even consider cutting defense waste. Americans need to realize that these guys aren't fiscal conservatives nor responsible. They're for low taxes for their supporters and a defense budget that will run wild while at the same time weakening the middle class at the expense of the extremely wealthy.

23 makeitstop  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:09:28am

In a just world, Issa would be behind bars. Or at the very least, barred from Congress.

24 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:11:48am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I want them to tell Americans with a straight face how they proposed fixing the deficit while opposing tax increases on the highest earners and any cuts to the defense budget. You cannot and should get any leeway if you refuse to as Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney have to even consider cutting defense waste. Americans need to realize that these guys aren't fiscal conservatives nor responsible. They're for low taxes for their supporters and a defense budget that will run wild while at the same time weakening the middle class at the expense of the extremely wealthy.

You'll stop wanting to tell them anything when the counter is that you should vote (R) anyway, because the party will switch back from magical thinking and crony-ism only when we clap hard enough they're handed the three branches of governance on a gilded platter.

25 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:13:17am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Given their express desire to return to the social/economic model of Feudalism during the European Dark Ages, that isn't that far off the mark.

If you doubt this, do a side-by-side comparison between the Republican platform and the tenets of feudalism.

26 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:15:06am

re: #25 RadicalModerate

Given their express desire to return to the social/economic model of Feudalism during the European Dark Ages, that isn't that far off the mark.

If you doubt this, do a side-by-side comparison between the Republican platform and the tenets of feudalism.

I have to agree. I really only see Republicans trying to protect the interests of the already wealthy rather than supporting efforts for mobility. Take their actions on student loans as an example.

27 simoom  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:16:21am

This also seems to show that Issa's faction won the argument with the House leadership as back in May they were putting the breaks on his contempt train, suggesting his evidence was too thin to proceed and that the whole exercise just before an election would be politically unwise:

[Link: www.rollcall.com...]

Although sympathetic to Issa's demands, leadership is wary of forcing the issue at this point with the Obama administration, and sources familiar with the situation said Boehner and his team are sensitive to any appearance that they are launching a partisan witch hunt or might be adversely affecting ongoing criminal investigations.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Some within House GOP leadership circles would like Issa to abandon his plan for a committee and floor vote, which was sparked by a 64-page memo last week, which laid out the case for contempt.

They fear negative political fallout from citing the U.S. attorney general with contempt of Congress in an election year.

...

Yet despite the detailed committee memo and more than a year of hearings, GOP leaders still don’t think the case is “rock solid,” according to an aide.

The three top House Republicans are worried about both the legal and political implications of the move, especially six months before what is already expected to be a razor-close election.

28 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:16:42am

re: #23 makeitstop

In a just world, Issa would be behind bars. Or at the very least, barred from Congress.

...

29 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:18:49am

re: #25 RadicalModerate

Given their express desire to return to the social/economic model of Feudalism during the European Dark Ages, that isn't that far off the mark.

If you doubt this, do a side-by-side comparison between the Republican platform and the tenets of feudalism.

Those that fight (rule), those that pray, and those that work (pay).

And your poor political attitude is due to unbalanced humours. Please take four leeches from the barrel by the door and come back next week to pay an additional fee.
//

30 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:19:27am

The hearings are on C-SPAN 3, if anyone is interested in watching this pathetic, sickening circus.

31 simoom  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:19:56am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Thanks, tuning in.

32 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:22:45am

re: #28 wrenchwench

33 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:29:54am

re: #28 wrenchwench

...

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For those of you interested, there's a nice summary of Issa's rather sketchy criminal history contained here:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

He's essentially a three-strikes felon who escaped conviction for things like arson, assault with a deadly weapon, and auto theft due to his distinction of also being the wealthiest member of Congress.

34 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:32:04am

I'm wondering what it will take for Democrats in this sham hearing to stand up and get angry about this.

It's an abuse of power by an out-of-control partisan hit man. Get mad, Democrats.

35 erik_t  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:32:12am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

The hearings are on C-SPAN 3, if anyone is interested in watching this pathetic, sickening circus.

They don't make a high enough C-SPAN number for this hooey, but I guess 3 is a good start.

36 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:34:04am

re: #33 RadicalModerate

For those of you interested, there's a nice summary of Issa's rather sketchy criminal history contained here:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Wow I had heard about the car theft but never the arson and weapon threat.

37 Artist  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:35:45am

re: #33 RadicalModerate

For those of you interested, there's a nice summary of Issa's rather sketchy criminal history contained here:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

WTF Why is this man not behind bars?

38 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:38:02am

It's shameful the way they imply Obama is responsible for Brian Terry's death. Why do they never mention that Brian Terry could have saved his own life by using his own rifle instead of a beanbag gun?

And the idea that the guns that went to Mexico in the F & F operation are in any way a significant part of the weaponry the cartels have is ridiculous.

39 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:39:29am

re: #38 wrenchwench

It's shameful the way they imply Obama is responsible for Brian Terry's death. Why do they never mention that Brian Terry could have saved his own life by using his own rifle instead of a beanbag gun?

And the idea that the guns that went to Mexico in the F & F operation are in any way a significant part of the weaponry the cartels have is ridiculous.

You're not following the proper narrative. Are you sure your humours are properly in balance?
;)

40 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:41:44am

re: #38 wrenchwench

It's shameful the way they imply Obama is responsible for Brian Terry's death. Why do they never mention that Brian Terry could have saved his own life by using his own rifle instead of a beanbag gun?

And the idea that the guns that went to Mexico in the F & F operation are in any way a significant part of the weaponry the cartels have is ridiculous.

Wasn't Terry killed during the Bush years? Not that it matters but this is the same party that impeached one president for lying about an affair and worships another that did arms deals with a sworn enemy.

41 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:41:57am

re: #39 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

You're not following the proper narrative. Are you sure your humours are properly in balance?
;)

OK, try this:

Darrell Issa is laughable.

Are my 'humours' better now?

:)

42 iossarian  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:43:17am

re: #37 Artist

WTF Why is this man not behind bars?

Because rules are for Democrats and little people.

43 erik_t  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:43:29am

re: #39 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

You're not following the proper narrative. Are you sure your humours are properly in balance?
;)

Humours?! You dare make these heretical accusations that we are made up of anything but earth, air, fire and water!?

44 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:44:55am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Wasn't Terry killed during the Bush years? Not that it matters but this is the same party that impeached one president for lying about an affair and worships another that did arms deals with a sworn enemy.

No, Terry was killed in Dec. of 2010. And Issa has already gone from investigating F & F, where he couldn't find anything damaging, to looking for a coverup. Because, you know, it's always the coverup that gets 'em.

Too bad there wasn't anything to cover up in the first place. The stupid ATF guys who started this are already gone. The people who bought and sold the guns are being prosecuted, and Issa doesn't care if he messes up those cases.

45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:46:41am

re: #44 wrenchwench

No, Terry was killed in Dec. of 2010. And Issa has already gone from investigating F & F, where he couldn't find anything damaging, to looking for a coverup. Because, you know, it's always the coverup that gets 'em.

Too bad there wasn't anything to cover up in the first place. The stupid ATF guys who started this are already gone. The people who bought and sold the guns are being prosecuted, and Issa doesn't care if he messes up those cases.

So in otherwords Issa cares only about making Obama and Holder look bad. Good to know that we have congressmen who care about the big picture huh.

46 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:47:26am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

So in otherwords Issa cares only about making Obama and Holder look bad. Good to know that we have congressmen who care about the big picture huh.

That is the big picture by their standards. What is good for the GOP is what is good for America.

47 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:48:31am

re: #37 Artist

WTF Why is this man not behind bars?

One possibility-The sheer lack of criminal convictions.

48 erik_t  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:49:08am

re: #47 Daniel Ballard

One possibility-The sheer lack of criminal convictions.

Well, there was in fact at least one criminal* conviction. It was, of course, quite a long time ago.

* I am unsure if the unregistered-weapon charge noted in the link counts.

49 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:49:33am

re: #46 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That is the big picture by their standards. What is good for the GOP is what is good for America.

Pretty much. I really hope they lose seats in Congress this year. The American people say they're unhappy with Congress, they should respond by making Boehner minority leader again but I have to be realistic too.

50 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:54:14am

re: #46 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That is the big picture by their standards. What is good for the GOP is what is good for America.

Making two black government executives look bad puts Issa in the #1 spot among birthers and other wingnuts. They already think they can impeach Holder. If they think they can get rid of Obama this way too, you'll need a thousand mops to handle all the saliva gushing from the right wing.

/ew. I don't think I can even Preview that...

51 ShaunP  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 11:58:01am

Serious headslap here:

CN: 35% never heard of, 28% not familiar with = 63% clueless on fracking

52 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:03:01pm

re: #51 ShaunP

And how many of the rest think fracking is simply tv shorthand for cursing /BSGfan

53 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:05:02pm

re: #48 erik_t

Okay the media ignored these allegations.

Why not blame the party that failed to field a candidate?

Wiki
During his 2002 run for re-election, the Democrats failed to field a candidate, and his closest competition was from Libertarian Karl Dietrich. A write-in candidate from that election, Mike Byron, went on to become the Democratic challenger in 2004.[16]

Maybe if the opposition kept it's eye on the ball...

54 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:06:11pm

re: #52 lawhawk

And how many of the rest think fracking is simply tv shorthand for cursing /BSGfan

And, interesting enough, about 10 miles for the infamous Centralia, PA is a town called Frackville.

55 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:08:13pm

re: #53 Daniel Ballard

Okay the media ignored these allegations.

Why not blame the party that failed to field a candidate?

Wiki
During his 2002 run for re-election, the Democrats failed to field a candidate, and his closest competition was from Libertarian Karl Dietrich. A write-in candidate from that election, Mike Byron, went on to become the Democratic challenger in 2004.[16]

Maybe if the opposition kept it's eye on the ball...

I suspect part of this was whether the Democratic Party thought it worth the effort to put money towards running against him in a R+10 district. Especially given that it's already clear he'll spend considerable amounts of his own fortune to support his campaign or other issues he feels strongly about.

56 jaunte  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:08:17pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

It's shameful the way they imply Obama is responsible for Brian Terry's death. Why do they never mention that Brian Terry could have saved his own life by using his own rifle instead of a beanbag gun?

And the idea that the guns that went to Mexico in the F & F operation are in any way a significant part of the weaponry the cartels have is ridiculous.

I'm sure some of the people whose heads are exploding over F&F would scoff at the idea of any gun control law preventing criminals from acquiring arms.

57 Hal_10000  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:08:21pm

Boehlert is factually incorrect. Reagan invoked executive privilege 3 times. Nixon, Clinton and Bush II were the most enthusiastic users and it was almost always to cover up something embarrassing (Lewinski, the vetting of Harriet Miers, preventing Rove from testifying) not something that was genuinely dangerous.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

58 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:18:45pm

re: #56 jaunte

I'm sure some of the people whose heads are exploding over F&F would scoff at the idea of any gun control law preventing criminals from acquiring arms.

Guns and ammunition are illegal for almost everyone in Mexico to own. Not working so well there. But then, murder and drug dealing are illegal there too. Nothing much seems to be working.

59 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:32:42pm

re: #15 dragonfire1981

Poll: Majority of Floridians support Rick Scott's "voter purge" efforts

There's a part of that is stunned we still have to deal with issues like this in 2012.

You would not find it nearly so strange or stunning if you lived here, entire closed communities of older retired folks exist who get their news exclusively from Fox. I'm not just talking about large condominium complexes but rather entire communities like "Sun City" and all the new "manufactured housing" (what we used to to call mobile homes, but these are much larger, better built, and nicer) developments that have sprung up south of Bradenton, North of Cross City, and West of Daytona.

Florida is filled to the gills with elderly retirees who thanks to pensions and social security combined actually have some disposable income to contribute to political campaigns and causes. The people who clean their houses, serve their meals, detail their cars, and maintain their lawns have no such luxury however, they are always living a day late and a dollar short.

Statistically the average age of residents is finally getting younger but in a political sense that really means very little when the vast majority of those younger people are employed and dependent on minimum wage service jobs taking care of the retirees.

Don't try to make too much of this State barely going over for Obama in the last election, there is no way in hell that it will happen in the upcoming one. They may be old and retired but they don't like to be forgotten, and the last vote was nothing but a message to the GOP to not dare take them lightly.

Since then the Tea Party has come along and given quite a few of them an outlet for their political leanings...sigh. :( If Romney were an evangelical Christian he would win over Obama by 10-12% points, (what they ineptly call a landslide today,) in Florida. As it is with Romney being a Mormon and all I expect him to win by only something like 2%, but he will win Florida.

60 simoom  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:47:49pm

Ah well, turning it off now. It's funny watching the GOP put cherrypicked internal e-mails into the contempt report that they characterize as pertaining to F&F then a Dem tries to have amended in a follow-up internal e-mail that makes it explicitly clear only Wide Receiver was being discussed, and they have a voice vote and all the Dems, "Yeah," and all the Rs, "Nay." And it proceeds like that, on party lines, one vote after another.

61 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Jun 20, 2012 1:47:23pm

re: #15 dragonfire1981

Why are Scott's poll numbers so poor then? I thought it was because of the purging nonsense, but I guess I'm wrong.


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