Jewish Federation of LA Pulls the Plug on Pamela Geller Hatefest

In response, Geller spews venom and hate speech
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Deranged hate group leader Pamela Geller is raging and spewing venom this morning (I know, it’s her usual state) because the Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles pulled the plug on her scheduled speech titled “Islamic Jew Hatred as the Root Cause of Failure to Achieve Peace.”

As usual when a Jewish organization refuses to endorse her foul bigotry, she’s accusing them of being “kapos” — Jewish collaborators with the Nazis: JEWISH SURRENDER: LA JEWISH FEDERATION SUBMITS TO HAMAS-LINKED MUSLIM GROUPS, CANCELS GELLER EVENT!!!!! - Atlas Shrugs

If you’re in LA, come to the Jewish Federation at 6505 Wilshire Boulevard at 11AM. We will be protesting this craven capitulation of the Jewish Federation to Islamic supremacist Jew-haters.

In a jaw-dropping act of cowardice and submission, LA Federation is not allowing ZOA (Zionist Organization of America) to hold the event where I was scheduled to speak this morning.

Jewish leadership is on the trains and thinks we will go quietly. This is tragic. Imagine, without so much as firing a shot, they’re caving in to a Hamas front group, the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Hamas’s fundamental goal is the annihilation of Israel.

This mirrors Nazi Party Representatives attending a 1933 Berlin Jewish Community charity drive gathering — back on December 20, 1933, three thousand Jews attended the first official Jewish gathering in which uniformed Nazis participated. The mass meeting was arranged by the Berlin Jewish community to open the special campaign for winter relief. And we know how that worked out.

Is it any wonder that the American Jewish left has become a problem for Israel? Who are these people? What is their role? What is their mission? What’s the point of Jewish lay leadership if they submit before their executioners? Shame on our cowardly leadership for throwing one of our own under the bus. We expect that from kapos, not from proud Jews who should hold the freedom of speech as a fundamental Jewish value.

Proud Jews and lovers and free speech will be protesting outside the LA Jewish Federation building at 11 am, and another venue will be announced shortly.

Geller has published the phone number of the Jewish Federation and the names of their board members and officials, urging her bigoted followers to harass and pressure them to reverse the decision.

Here’s the contact page for the organization — I’ll be sending them a note of congratulations to let them know they’re doing the right thing. Please join me and call or write a note of support, so they don’t get the false impression that the bigots are in the majority.

UPDATE at 6/24/12 12:49:18 pm

If you have a Twitter account, please retweet this message to show your support:

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145 comments
1 austin_blue  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:30:16am

It's all the fault of the Joooz!

As good ol' Darth said, "The Crazy is strong with this one."

2 Sophia77  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:31:17am

Congratulations to the Jewish Federation. Pamela Geller makes me ashamed. For her to call other Jews "kapos" is simply despicable especially since she sounds like a N***.

There is nothing Jewish about her behavior. Fomenting hate against other people goes against all our ideals. She has truly lost her marbles in my opinion.

3 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:32:38am

Ah yes. That Geller Person is at it again. The broken record is playing again. /

4 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:32:59am

I refuse to congratulate the Jewish Federation of LA on this. The fact that they booked her in the first place is inexcusable.

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:34:23am

re: #4 bratwurst

I refuse to congratulate the Jewish Federation of LA on this. The fact that they booked her in the first place is inexcusable.

They didn't book her -- the Zionist Organization of America booked the event and reserved the conference room at the Jewish Federation.

6 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:37:54am

re: #1 austin_blue

It's all the fault of the Joooz!

As good ol' Darth said, "The Crazy is strong with this one."

The Wrong Kind of Jews(tm): deserving to be labelled with the anti-Semitic tropes that haven't already been expended on Muslims.

7 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:40:01am

re: #6 The Ghost of a Flea

The Wrong Kind of Jews(tm): deserving to be labelled with the anti-Semitic tropes that haven't already been expended on Muslims.

It's the Liberal Juice™! Just ask sub-genius Brooks Bayne.

8 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:40:02am
Jewish leadership is on the trains...

I am in awe of her subtlety.

9 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:42:00am

That's some Grade-A crazy right there:

This mirrors Nazi Party Representatives attending a 1933 Berlin Jewish Community charity drive gathering — back on December 20, 1933, three thousand Jews attended the first official Jewish gathering in which uniformed Nazis participated. The mass meeting was arranged by the Berlin Jewish community to open the special campaign for winter relief. And we know how that worked out.

Really? Getting your event cancelled makes this just like Nazi Germany in the 1930s? Godwin much?

10 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:43:04am

It's rather ironic that Pam, in promoting the sort of vitriolic hatred that fueled the rise of the Nazis, thinks herself some sort of friend to the Jewish people and views those who are refusing to give her hatred a platform as "collaborators."

11 nines09  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:44:40am

In Pamela's parallel universe, if you do not agree with her there are ways to deal with people like you. She is the poster child for armbands.

12 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:46:06am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

They didn't book her -- the Zionist Organization of America booked the event and reserved the conference room at the Jewish Federation.

Ok, thanks. I feel better about the Federation at least.

13 JamesWI  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:53:18am

Because if there's one thing that will convince a Jewish organization to do what you want, it's comparing them to Nazi collaborators.

That will do the trick, I'm sure.

14 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:55:35am

re: #8 It's a cookbook!

I am in awe of her subtlety.

I caught that too, I was like "Damn, does that mean what I think it does?!"

15 Kragar  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:55:40am

You would think that when she started thinking in terms of "good Jews" and "bad Jews" some sort of realization might have kicked in about how nuts she had become.

16 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 11:57:03am

re: #15 Kragar

You would think that when she started thinking in terms of "good Jews" and "bad Jews" some sort of realization might have kicked in abut how nuts she had become.

She's a bit too busy getting her brown shirt tailored.

/

17 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:03:00pm

Grr. That Geller Person frustrates the &^% out of me. I am trying to be civil but it is very difficult.

18 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:05:07pm

Hey Pam Geller,

I just made a donation to The Jewish Federation of Los Angeles - the largest Jewish nonprofit in the city. The Federation funds programs that celebrate Jewish culture and provide social services and humanitarian relief to Jews around the world.

Your support ensures a Jewish future and helps Los Angeles’s most vulnerable members of society.

[Link: secure.jewishla.org...]

19 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:06:42pm
Please join me and call or write a note of support, so they don’t get the false impression that the bigots are in the majority.

Done. Kudos to them for standing on the side of decency. They dodged a hate-filled bullet that was headed straight for their community.

20 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:07:18pm

Charles Johnson,

This is excellent News. Hopefully nothing will come of Geller's protests and her and her buddies will go home empty handed.

21 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:08:27pm

Here's their Twitter address:

22 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:08:34pm

re: #18 Learned Mother of Zion

Good idea. As soon as I get paid at the beginning of the month they're getting a donation from me.

23 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:09:15pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I’ll be sending them a note of congratulations to let them know they’re doing the right thing. Please join me and call or write a note of support, so they don’t get the false impression that the bigots are in the majority.

I did more than just send a note--I made a donation.

24 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:09:48pm

re: #17 PhillyPretzel

I try to look at it like this-Haters live in a self made hell of anger and stress. What a way to live a life. Just gently pushback on the haters. Shun them. Call them out then ignore them. They are hurting themselves every day.

25 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:11:13pm

re: #24 Daniel Ballard

You are right. That and a little bit of Hagen Daz works great. :)

26 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:12:19pm

The writing guide for an Atlas Shrugs post:

1. Is everybody you disagree with is a Nazi?
2. Is everybody you agree with not a Nazi?
3. No, really--even if they're photographed doing a Roman salute under Mosley's flag, it's still clear they're totally not Nazis?
4. Is Jewish identity conflated with complete dogged sycophancy to Pam Geller (and her not-at-all Nazi associates') rhetoric? Note: You are the final arbiter of Jewish-ness. Statements by rabbis, testaments by mothers, and the Torah are insufficient evidence of Jewish-ness.
5. Have Jews that disagree with you been compared to kapos and/or Nazis?
6. Has at least one aspect of the Holocaust been egregiously misappropriated to make a minor, tendentious point?
7. No, really--have you totally trivialized the systematic murder of millions of people by comparing it to some mild inconvenience in your life?
8. Has the state of Israel been fully fetishized? Note: be sure not to give any attention to the actual political spectrum and cultural breadth of the actual nation of Israel? "Real Israel" is Never-Never Land for conservatives.
9. Can readers discern gin fumes from your prose? Can they deter mine what kind of gin?
10. Have the typos reached the vaunted "Korsakov Syndrome and/or aphasia" level of incoherence?
11. The metaphors--are they mixed enough? Is it obvious this is not intentional or clever?
12. Has the trifecta of shrieking--Rage, Revanchist Triumph, and Paranoiac--been achieved?
.

27 allegro  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:23:16pm

OT but the thread is a trifle sluggish and this is pretty cool:

Key Prop 8 witness comes around to equality

In a rather stunning op-ed article in yesterday's New York Times, the chief witness for the 2010 federal court trial in support of Prop 8 has now come out in support of marriage equality. Founder of the Institute for American Values David Blankenhorn who the court ultimately found to lack "the qualifications to offer opinion testimony" has finally evolved.

"But there are more good things under heaven than these beliefs. For me, the most important is the equal dignity of homosexual love. I don’t believe that opposite-sex and same-sex relationships are the same, but I do believe, with growing numbers of Americans, that the time for denigrating or stigmatizing same-sex relationships is over. Whatever one’s definition of marriage, legally recognizing gay and lesbian couples and their children is a victory for basic fairness."

28 Locker  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:26:56pm

Email sent and twitter posted. Good item to cover and efforts like these should be recognized and supported.

29 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:33:39pm

re: #26 The Ghost of a Flea

The writing guide for an Atlas Shrugs post:

1. Is everybody you disagree with is a Nazi?
2. Is everybody you agree with not a Nazi?
3. No, really--even if they're photographed doing a Roman salute under Mosley's flag, it's still clear they're totally not Nazis?
4. Is Jewish identity conflated with complete dogged sycophancy to Pam Geller (and her not-at-all Nazi associates') rhetoric? Note: You are the final arbiter of Jewish-ness. Statements by rabbis, testaments by mothers, and the Torah are insufficient evidence of Jewish-ness.
5. Have Jews that disagree with you been compared to kapos and/or Nazis?
6. Has at least one aspect of the Holocaust been egregiously misappropriated to make a minor, tendentious point?
7. No, really--have you totally trivialized the systematic murder of millions of people by comparing it to some mild inconvenience in your life?
8. Has the state of Israel been fully fetishized? Note: be sure not to give any attention to the actual political spectrum and cultural breadth of the actual nation of Israel? "Real Israel" is Never-Never Land for conservatives.
9. Can readers discern gin fumes from your prose? Can they deter mine what kind of gin?
10. Have the typos reached the vaunted "Korsakov Syndrome and/or aphasia" level of incoherence?
11. The metaphors--are they mixed enough? Is it obvious this is not intentional or clever?
12. Has the trifecta of shrieking--Rage, Revanchist Triumph, and Paranoiac--been achieved?
.

13. Charles Johnson is EBIL!!!!

30 Kragar  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:34:29pm

re: #29 dragonfire1981

13. Charles Johnson is EBIL!!!

13a. AND IRRELEVANT!

31 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:36:07pm

re: #30 Kragar

13a. AND IRRELEVANT!

And EBIL!!1!

32 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:39:40pm

re: #26 The Ghost of a Flea

As if she could make it past point 5 without segueing into a gin-fueled tangent.

33 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:40:26pm

re: #31 Surreptitious Stealth Troll

And EBIL!!1!

With a PoNyTaIl!!!!!11ty

Derp.

//

34 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:41:51pm

It never fails to amaze me how these people spin & reframe things.

The letter sent out by the ZOA claims the cancellation is the result of a combination of intimidation by Muslims (imaginary threat of violence), Leftist apologetics designed to appease the scary/violent Muslims, and the "Islamic agenda of shutting down free speech and fostering animosity between Jews".

And because, y'know, every time Geller tries to have a rational discussion, the Leftists and their Muslim overlords make up lies and paint her as an evil hater. O_o

35 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:44:24pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

It never fails to amaze me how these people spin & reframe things.

The letter sent out by the ZOA claims the cancellation is the result of a combination of intimidation by Muslims (imaginary threat of violence), Leftist apologetics designed to appease the scary/violent Muslims, and the "Islamic agenda of shutting down free speech and fostering animosity between Jews".

And because, y'know, every time Geller tries to have a rational discussion, the Leftists and their Muslim overlords make up lies and paint her as an evil hater. O_o

Yeah. We make up shit to make her look bad...

Jewish leadership is on the trains...

36 dragonath  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:46:11pm

On a related topic, what's the deal with members of Likud meeting with far right and racist demagogues in this country? Netanyahu and Tzipi Hovotely are the first two that come to mind.

From wiki:

In July 2011, (Tzipi) Hotovely met with Glenn Beck. She told him that "this [Israeli-Palestinian] conflict isn't territorial...This is a religious battle led by Islam. We can't ignore this basic truth."[6]

um...

Major Funder For Glenn Beck's Israel Rally Linked To Anti-Semitic Group

37 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:49:23pm

We will be protesting this craven capitulation of the Jewish Federation to Islamic supremacist Jew-haters

i find it telling that her rhetorical tone of voice echos typical snarling racist propaganda

38 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:50:44pm

re: #37 engineer cat

We will be protesting this craven capitulation of the Jewish Federation to Islamic supremacist Jew-haters

i find it telling that her rhetorical tone of voice echos typical snarling racist propaganda

Lately I have trouble picturing her without froth spewing from her mouth.

39 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 12:54:53pm

re: #38 It's a cookbook!

Lately I have trouble picturing her without froth spewing from her mouth.

Lately I have trouble picturing her without suffering mental spasms.

40 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:01:49pm

OT: I find myself wondering what Turkey would say/do if the Syria/Turkey shootdown had happened to be Turkey/Israel.

41 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:02:55pm

re: #37 engineer cat

We will be protesting this craven capitulation of the Jewish Federation to Islamic supremacist Jew-haters

i find it telling that her rhetorical tone of voice echos typical snarling racist propaganda

All of the stuff she and her buddies cook up about Islam and Muslims is retreads of anti-Semitic tropes. Even more darkly, there seems to be no taboo against slapping Jews that aren't allied with her with labels and attributions straight out of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

It's awful, but it doesn't surprise me. The same thing happens in the ultra-conservative Revelations-believing religious groups. Out of one side of their mouth they'll praise Israel...or rather, the fantasy Israel they imagine that's basically a Crusader State run by the Likud...to the skies. But at the very same time any liberal Jews will gets slapped with the old time-tested slurs and stereotypes.

42 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:03:31pm

re: #36 Be Zorch, Daddio

Between Peter King's recent hearing on last year's hearing (not to mention his lies), Yerushalmi now writing for NRO, and Spencer teaming up with a scholar from the AEI for a trip to Turkey (sponsored by Horowitz), my spidey sense tells me we Mulsims are next up on the wingnut agenda in this election year.

We're a very small minority, already unpopular (kryptonite to politicians), and we don't have large, long-established organizations with decades of experience in pushing back, so that makes us an especially soft target.

43 Big Joe  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:13:47pm

OT. Sandusky is being serenaded to sleep by fellow inmates singing Pink Floyd.

“At night, we were singing ‘Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone,’ ” Josh said, adding that everyone knew who Sandusky was because inmates had access to television and newspapers.

44 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:14:30pm

Well, it's certainly not hard to pick out the wingnut tweets from the others on this particular subject:

[Link: twitter.com...]

45 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:19:21pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

Well, it's certainly not hard to pick out the wingnut tweets from the others on this particular subject:

[Link: twitter.com...]

...

If you support the Jewish Federation of LA caving under the pressure of Hamas linked CAIR you must therefore support Hamas and Hezbollah!!!!!

46 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:21:36pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

Well, it's certainly not hard to pick out the wingnut tweets from the others on this particular subject:

[Link: twitter.com...]

I also see a bunch of moonbats like Mondoweiss and MJayRosenberg.

47 dragonath  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:22:33pm

A lot of bad crazy seems to come out of the ZOA.

ZOA to recognize Glenn Beck

The Zionist Organization of America will honor Glenn Beck as a "defender of Israel."

Beck on Sunday will receive the Dr. Miriam & Sheldon Adelson Defender of Israel Award, presented by Adelson, the casino magnate who is a major backer of the ZOA and other pro-Israel and conservative causes.

More U.S. groups slam anti-African migrant rioting in Tel Aviv

More U.S. Jewish organizations are condemning anti-African migrant riots in Tel Aviv.

Among those weighing in on last week’s riots during a protest against the large numbers of African migrants living in the city were the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the New Israel Fund, the American Jewish Committee, J Street and the National Council of Jewish Women.

...

One American Jewish group, the Zionist Organization of America, did not condemn the riots, focusing instead on praising Netanyahu’s efforts to slow the crossing of illegal immigrants.

Michele Bachmann Addresses the Zionist Organization of America

Speaking via video, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called “vilification” “the greatest threat of all” to Israel. Netanyahu thanked the evening’s high-profile honorees—Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) and Glenn Beck—for “being fearless in defending Israel from slanders hurled against it, at great personal cost.” In Netanyahu’s alternate universe, it appears that defending Israel is a threat to one’s American political career.

The ZOA event confirmed that the extremist wing of pro-Israel activism has become virtually indistinguishable from the political right. Ros-Lehtinen gave shout-outs from the dais to three House colleagues: Representative Dan Burton (R-IN), Bachmann and freshman “majority maker” Representative Ann-Marie Burkle (R-NY).

48 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:25:54pm

re: #46 Learned Mother of Zion

I also see a bunch of moonbats like Mondoweiss and MJayRosenberg.

..and terror apologists like Electronic Intifada. Not much for me to like among that crowd.

49 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:27:03pm

Pamela Geller's brain: "I'll show them I'm not a hateful person by spewing hate speech at them!"

50 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:27:51pm

re: #46 Learned Mother of Zion

I also see a bunch of moonbats like Mondoweiss and MJayRosenberg.

...

If you support the Jewish Federation of LA caving under the pressure of Hamas linked CAIR you must therefore support Mondoweiss and MJayRosenberg!!!

51 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:30:15pm

re: #46 Learned Mother of Zion

I also see a bunch of moonbats like Mondoweiss and MJayRosenberg.

Yep, there's a little bit of everything, but the wingnuts are the most melodramatic, IMO. Capitulation! Submission! Hamas!

52 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:33:11pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

..and terror apologists like Electronic Intifada. Not much for me to like among that crowd.

And people like Charles, me, and Alouette herself.

53 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:33:48pm

re: #51 CuriousLurker

Yep, there's a little bit of everything, but the wingnuts are the most melodramatic, IMO. Capitulation! Submission! Hamas!

...

THE CALIPHATE HAS BEGUN!! CAN'T YOU SEE??!!

54 dragonath  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:38:36pm

Ya know, it's kind of bizarre that a casino guy like Adelson is such a big shot in the ZOA, considering, that in Israel:

Articles 224–235 of the 1977 Penal Code deal with gambling. According to the law, a "forbidden game" is one in which "a person is supposed to win money, goods, or benefits based on the outcome of a game, and that outcome depends on luck more than on understanding or ability." The law imposes prison sentences on anyone participating in forbidden games, and larger punishments on those who organize such games. There is likewise a prohibition against operating or maintaining premises in which such games are played, and the police are authorized to close them down.

55 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:41:21pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

It never fails to amaze me how these people spin & reframe things.

The letter sent out by the ZOA claims the cancellation is the result of a combination of intimidation by Muslims (imaginary threat of violence), Leftist apologetics designed to appease the scary/violent Muslims, and the "Islamic agenda of shutting down free speech and fostering animosity between Jews".

And because, y'know, every time Geller tries to have a rational discussion, the Leftists and their Muslim overlords make up lies and paint her as an evil hater. O_o

In Geller-World, if 5 Muslims show up to protest an appearance by her and she has to walk past them, then she "Bravely faced down the ravening wolves of Sharia!!1" Anything Islamic is automatically to be viewed as a threat to all non-Muslims and must be crushed utterly.

56 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:43:03pm

re: #54 Be Zorch, Daddio

Ya know, it's kind of bizarre that a casino guy like Adelson is such a big shot in the ZOA, considering, that in Israel:

Maybe he figures he can get the law "loosened" if he makes the right friends. In Illinois that works at least for purposes of getting the law through the legislature, but Israel is likely another story.

57 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:43:24pm

BBL

58 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:44:18pm

This has to be my favorite tweet so far:

Now that's how you do hyperbole. Open with epic level Godwin and don't look back.

Edit. Oops, it's a sarcastic account.

59 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:45:06pm

re: #54 Be Zorch, Daddio

Ya know, it's kind of bizarre that a casino guy like Adelson is such a big shot in the ZOA, considering:

He's got the $. No one really cares beyond that.

60 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:45:47pm
Netanyahu thanked the evening’s high-profile honorees—Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) and Glenn Beck—for “being fearless in defending Israel from slanders hurled against it, at great personal cost.

Well that has changed my views instantly. While I've had reservations about Netanyahu I always thought him highly intelligent and rational. Maybe he still is, but the rationale is to suck up to any asshole that kisses his ass, like Glenn Beck.

This sounds awfully familiar for some reason./

61 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:51:27pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

In Geller-World, if 5 Muslims show up to protest an appearance by her and she has to walk past them, then she "Bravely faced down the ravening wolves of Sharia!!1" Anything Islamic is automatically to be viewed as a threat to all non-Muslims and must be crushed utterly.

It makes sense once you realize that every individual Muslim is personally responsible for every violent and unethical action taken by any Muslim at any time past or present, whether or not that act was guided or justified by the Islamic faith.

*

*This logic is off course not to be applied to any other religion. In those cases things like context, individual action, and realistic recognition of how the concept of faith can be used as a cover for other motives apply.

62 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:54:11pm

re: #60 Achilles Tang

Well that has changed my views instantly. While I've had reservations about Netanyahu I always thought him highly intelligent and rational. Maybe he still is, but the rationale is to suck up to any asshole that kisses his ass, like Glenn Beck.

This sounds awfully familiar for some reason./

When you've got as few allies as Israel does, even Glenn Beck can seem tolerable. That and the fact that he wants to keep the wingnuts placid so that they can elect his old buddy Mitt Romney as president.

Oh yes, Romney and Netanyahu go way back. They both interned together in Boston in the summer of 1976 (I'd have to look up the firm) and they've been friends ever since.

63 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:56:23pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

When you've got as few allies as Israel does, even Glenn Beck can seem tolerable. That and the fact that he wants to keep the wingnuts placid so that they can elect his old buddy Mitt Romney as president.

Oh yes, Romney and Netanyahu go way back. They both interned together in Boston in the summer of 1976 (I'd have to look up the firm) and they've been friends ever since.

It was Boston Consulting Group.

And as I have pointed out before, I don't imagine that Obama presenting an award to a prominent domestic critic of Netanyahu would go down real well here or there.

64 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:56:41pm

re: #60 Achilles Tang

Well that has changed my views instantly. While I've had reservations about Netanyahu I always thought him highly intelligent and rational. Maybe he still is, but the rationale is to suck up to any asshole that kisses his ass, like Glenn Beck.

This sounds awfully familiar for some reason./

I lost all respect for Bibi when he appeared and spoke at far right wing rallies in Israel where Prime Minister Rabin was depicted on posters in a German SS officers uniform and with a sniper's reticle placed over him.

Nonetheless, hostility continued to mount against Rabin. Haredi conservatives and Likud party leaders believed that withdrawing from any Jewish land was heresy. Rallies, organized partially by Likud, became increasingly extreme in tone. Likud Leader (and future Prime Minister) Benjamin Netanyahu accused Rabin’s government of being “removed from Jewish tradition ... and Jewish values.” Netanyahu addressed protesters of the Oslo movement at rallies where posters portrayed Rabin in a Nazi SS uniform or being the target by in the cross-hairs of a sniper.[1] Rabin accused Netanyahu of provoking violence, a charge which Netanyahu strenuously denied.[2]

I can't help but think the fact that Netanyahu is still welcome in Israeli politics after that shit must speak to a near utter dearth of leadership among their right wing.

65 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:58:43pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

When you've got as few allies as Israel does, even Glenn Beck can seem tolerable.

Beck is not an ally of Israel. He is a dangerous lunatic who endorses anti-semites and promotes their writing. You don't want him on Israel's side. He's either a complete con-man or really believes he's some sort of prophet; he doesn't support Israel, he supports right-wing, religiously zealous (old meaning) Israel.

There's white supremacist groups who are pro-Israel because they're seperatists, and they think all 'races' should go live in countries by themselves. Those are another example of an ally that's not tolerable.

66 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:59:13pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

When you've got as few allies as Israel does, even Glenn Beck can seem tolerable.

When you have few friends/allies the quality of the allies you accept becomes even more important, as you will be judged by the company you keep.

67 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:00:16pm

re: #63 bratwurst

It was Boston Consulting Group.

And as I have pointed out before, I don't imagine that Obama presenting an award to a prominent domestic critic of Netanyahu would go down real well here or there.

Thank you for filling the detail in.

68 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:00:58pm

I see that racist moron Brooks Bayne is threatening me on Twitter.

69 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:01:26pm

These people are like Mexican wrestlers, wearing silly masks and bellowing threats.

70 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:03:28pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

These people are like Mexican wrestlers, wearing silly masks and bellowing threats.

And totally impossible to take seriously?

71 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:03:38pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

I lost all respect for Bibi when he appeared and spoke at far right wing rallies in Israel where Prime Minister Rabin was depicted on posters in a German SS officers uniform and with a sniper's reticle placed over him.

I can't help but think the fact that Netanyahu is still welcome in Israeli politics after that shit must speak to a near utter dearth of leadership among their right wing.

I watched a documentary about Rabin's assassination some months ago and they showed some of those rallies you're talking about. It's sad & disturbing when partisanship goes that far off the rails, especially for a country like Israel that's so tiny and in such a precarious situation.

72 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:04:22pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

When you have few friends/allies the quality of the allies you accept becomes even more important, as you will be judged by the company you keep.

Israel hasn't followed that logic, though, Frank. After most African countries turned hostile to Israel beginning in 1967 and greatly increasing after 1973, Israel provided support to Apartheid South Africa, to the extent that South Africa's R4/R5/R6 assault rifle series was essentially a modified Galil. They've tended to follow the logic of "any port in a storm" and for Israel the storm never ends.

73 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:05:18pm

Unfortunately, putting someone like Bayne in the Tweetdeck global filter doesn't block out the retweets by other morons.

74 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:05:28pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

These people are like Mexican wrestlers.

Rudos, maybe...but not technicos.

Except for the lack of style, musculature, athleticism, flair for performance, common appeal, and magical abilities obtained from Catholic saints and/or Mesoamerican gods....

75 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:07:34pm

Ugh, still have chores to do. BBL

76 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:08:01pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

I see that racist moron Brooks Bayne is threatening me on Twitter.

He keeps bad company, its a fact:

No good can come from being a 'friend' of Rodan AKA Daedalus AKA Dorkus.

77 Kragar  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:17:29pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

He keeps bad company, its a fact:

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No good can come from being a 'friend' of Rodan AKA Daedalus AKA Dorkus.

NO ONE EXPECTS THE DIARY OF DUMBASS!!!

78 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:18:45pm
79 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:21:43pm

re: #77 Kragar

NO ONE EXPECTS THE DIARY OF DUMBASS!!!

Our chief weapon is surprise! Surprise and a fanatical hatred of Islam!!1

80 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:22:57pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Israel hasn't followed that logic, though, Frank. After most African countries turned hostile to Israel beginning in 1967 and greatly increasing after 1973, Israel provided support to Apartheid South Africa, to the extent that South Africa's R4/R5/R6 assault rifle series was essentially a modified Galil. They've tended to follow the logic of "any port in a storm" and for Israel the storm never ends.

The Israel of today is different from the Israel that supported apartheid in the past. Sure, the right-wing is probably still the same, but is there any reason you wanted to remind people of Israel's support for South Africa? Wasn't exactly a shining moment, and I don't normally see it brought up by a supporter of Israel.

Israel also voted to stop supporting South Africa because of apartheid, so could you please mention that, too?

81 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:23:47pm

re: #80 Obdicut

The Israel of today is different from the Israel that supported apartheid in the past. Sure, the right-wing is probably still the same, but is there any reason you wanted to remind people of Israel's support for South Africa? Wasn't exactly a shining moment, and I don't normally see it brought up by a supporter of Israel.

Israel also voted to stop supporting South Africa because of apartheid, so could you please mention that, too?

Fair enough, done.

82 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:25:04pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

These people are like Mexican wrestlers, wearing silly masks and bellowing threats.

Mexicans? Those guys I wiz past on SyFy are Mexicans?

83 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:25:25pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

You're kind of saying that Israel has no moral compass, Dark, and will ally with anyone despite their policies or attitudes. That's what the 'any' in any port in a storm refers to.

Please rethink this line of thought, it's really one of the more condemnatory of Israel. Israel does not practice 'any' port in a storm. Furthermore, Bibi is not 'Israel', and his endorsement of Glenn Beck I'm sure humiliated those intelligent Israelis who know how offensive, terrible, and promoting of anti-semitism Beck is.

84 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:28:46pm

My thanks to Curious Lurker for this next vid:

Yes, folks this whale just spouted a rainbow. Those who were here in 2008 remember what that means:

Like the unicorns in 2008, this whale is in-the-tank for Barack Hussein Obama!!1 We need to have the Japs harpoon the damned thing to keep it from polluting the oceans with Socialism!!1

Note: My use of Pres. Obama's middle name and the hostile contraction 'Japs' was done while role-playing a wingnut and does not represent my views or the words I use in conversation.

85 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:30:10pm

re: #83 Obdicut

I just agreed with you, Obdi. I hadn't actually know when it was that Israel cut South Africa off. MY post was intended to concede the point.

86 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:31:12pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for that, DF. I don't even bother responding to people like that any more - there's just no point in it. This is the idiot who's peddling that #TwitterGulag bullshit, trying to picture me as the mastermind of a secret plot.

With people that fucked up, the best way to deal with them is not to deal with them at all.

87 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:35:22pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Thanks for that, DF. I don't even bother responding to people like that any more - there's just no point in it. This is the idiot who's peddling that #TwitterGulag bullshit, trying to picture me as the mastermind of a secret plot.

With people that fucked up, the best way to deal with them is not to deal with them at all.

I know. I just felt the need to tell him off. Having done so, I don't intend to engage that turkey.

88 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:35:51pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Fair enough, and thanks for being understanding.

89 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:37:10pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Brook Baynes is the idiot who uses 'pick-up artist' terminology like 'beta male', right?

What is it with right-wingers and their love of bizarre pseudoscience.

Note, idiots: If one of the main people promoting a theory looks like this:

Image: peacock1.jpg

You might want to check the premises a little.

90 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:38:34pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

I know. I just felt the need to tell him off. Having done so, I don't intend to engage that turkey.

No point in engaging anyway, since he thinks I'm "Chuck's sockpuppet". Projection, thy name is Brooks Bane!

91 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:41:34pm

re: #89 Obdicut

Brook Baynes is the idiot who uses 'pick-up artist' terminology like 'beta male', right?

What is it with right-wingers and their love of bizarre pseudoscience.

Note, idiots: If one of the main people promoting a theory looks like this:

Image: peacock1.jpg

You might want to check the premises a little.

CBS actually had an episode of Criminal Minds where the killer used a routine like that. Your post reminded me of it and Brookes Bayne reminds me of that killer's monomaniacal anger.

92 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:44:52pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

It's hard for me to calculate the amount of contempt I have for the pick-up artist types. A friend of mine just had one of these guys try to pick her up at a bar, doing all that 'negging' crap and stuff, and, since she's an actually nice, sensitive girl, both hurt her feelings and made her frightened.

The alpha/beta thing really cracks me up because most primate studies have found that beta is actually the superior position; you have lower stress levels, you still get lots of chances to mate.

[Link: www.nih.gov...]

93 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:50:37pm

re: #92 Obdicut

It's hard for me to calculate the amount of contempt I have for the pick-up artist types. A friend of mine just had one of these guys try to pick her up at a bar, doing all that 'negging' crap and stuff, and, since she's an actually nice, sensitive girl, both hurt her feelings and made her frightened.

The alpha/beta thing really cracks me up because most primate studies have found that beta is actually the superior position; you have lower stress levels, you still get lots of chances to mate.

[Link: www.nih.gov...]

There are good consultants and there are bad consultants: "Pickup Artists" are bad consultants.

94 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:52:59pm

re: #92 Obdicut

It's hard for me to calculate the amount of contempt I have for the pick-up artist types. A friend of mine just had one of these guys try to pick her up at a bar, doing all that 'negging' crap and stuff, and, since she's an actually nice, sensitive girl, both hurt her feelings and made her frightened.

The alpha/beta thing really cracks me up because most primate studies have found that beta is actually the superior position; you have lower stress levels, you still get lots of chances to mate.

[Link: www.nih.gov...]

Guys that think of themselves as "alpha males" are typically "beta males." ;)

95 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:54:00pm

re: #94 Gus

Guys that think of themselves as "alpha males" are typically "beta males." ;)

Master beta males...

96 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:56:18pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

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97 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:56:57pm

re: #94 Gus

Guys that think of themselves as "alpha males" are typically "beta males." ;)

98 allegro  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:57:35pm

re: #94 Gus

Guys that think of themselves as "alpha males" are typically "beta males." assholes ;)

There.

99 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:00:09pm

I see you hiding Ice!

100 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:00:45pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

Ha hah.

101 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:02:06pm

re: #100 Obdicut

Ha hah.

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Ha, ha, ha! Not to scale!

102 simoom  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:03:27pm

Not super interesting, as he doesn't seem to have learned much of anything, but some Buzzfeed reporter found out where the Koch confab was being held and trekked over across a golf course to briefly get inside before being ejected by the tight security:

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

CARLSBAD, Calif. — The Koch Brothers have locked down a resort hotel in this breezy San Diego suburb for their annual conservative conference, a gathering that directs a funnel of money to their favored conservative causes with the goal of pulling both America and the Republican Party hard to the right.

The intensely private conservative brothers, heirs to a Midwestern refining fortune, have been seeking an increasingly broad influence on public policy, and contributions attendees a their conferences have in the past financed everything from the anti-union campaigns of Americans for Prosperity to the 60-Plus Association’s attacks on President Barack Obama’s health care plan. This year, the group — many of them low-profile, old-line industrialist families like the Kochs — is expected to spend nearly $400 million on a range of causes, the core one defeating Obama’s reelection campaign.

...

The Koch event, identified on signs around the Park Hyatt Aviara Resort as “Path to Freedom 2012,” occupied the entire resort, which offers rooms beginning at $1,250 a night. Security began at the two entry points, where two security companies, one with staff clad in red parkas and another with guards wearing black suits and earbud radio sets, greeted visitors and checked identification.

The security detail at the front gate turned away your correspondent, who made his way back into the resort after an hour-long hike through a golf course and a fortuitous ride in a golf cart.

103 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:06:20pm

re: #101 Gus

That's really my favorite character of Colbert's. Man is a goddamn comic genius. Though that show was perfectly written, too.

104 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:11:58pm
105 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:12:47pm

Ha hah! Right to work state.

106 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:13:17pm

re: #102 simoom

Not super interesting, as he doesn't seem to have learned much of anything, but some Buzzfeed reporter found out where the Koch confab was being held and trekked over across a golf course to briefly get inside before being ejected by the tight security:

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Ha Aviara! We have 3- 5 stars in San Diego. That's one of the three. Got an attendants list?

107 Kragar  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:17:20pm

I've always found just being awesome is enough.

108 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:19:35pm

I think Simon Wiesenthal would be happy with this cancellation.

109 Kragar  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:30:28pm

re: #103 Obdicut

That's really my favorite character of Colbert's. Man is a goddamn comic genius. Though that show was perfectly written, too.

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I liked him on Strangers with Candy.

110 austin_blue  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:32:04pm

re: #99 Gus

I see you hiding Ice!

Someone's hiding ice?

111 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:37:14pm

re: #108 Dancing along the light of day

I think Simon Wiesenthal would be happy with this cancellation.

Yes, but he'd be disgusted by Pam Geller. She'd answer his disgust by by calling him a 'capo' and 'washed up', which would only serve as further proof of her complete moral bankruptcy.

112 Jay C  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 3:58:20pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Abso-friggin'-lutely! I haven't lived in L.A. for 30 years, now, but unless some Apocalypse-level change has gone down, these folks (the L.A. Jewish Federation) are as "mainstream" a Jewish organization as you're likely to find: Pam Geller's gibbering hatemongering ought to be hooted out of town as the ravings of the lunatic that she is...

Sad to say, though, in the Era Of The Internet, Pam's sick rants are likely to be held up (by the usual-suspect cranks, but who's counting?) as a Legitimate Voice Of Dissent...

As they say "Oy gevalt!!!"

113 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:01:45pm

re: #92 Obdicut

It's hard for me to calculate the amount of contempt I have for the pick-up artist types. A friend of mine just had one of these guys try to pick her up at a bar, doing all that 'negging' crap and stuff, and, since she's an actually nice, sensitive girl, both hurt her feelings and made her frightened.

Randall Munroe, as always, is there: [Link: xkcd.com...]

115 blueraven  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:21:25pm
116 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:21:30pm

re: #114 Gus

Oh look!

Report: Bolton Is a “Leading Candidate” for Secretary of State

Dickstache aficionados rejoice!

118 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:25:08pm

re: #114 Gus

Oh look!

Report: Bolton Is a “Leading Candidate” for Secretary of State

Daniel Larison quotes the Washington Times via antiwar.com.

Not buying it. They're each stirring up their excitable isolationist constituencies.

119 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:26:10pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Daniel Larison quotes the Washington Times via antiwar.com.

Not buying it. They're each stirring up their excitable isolationist constituencies.

Yes. But we've all thought about this. :)

120 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:28:14pm

re: #119 Gus

Yes. But we've all thought about this. :)

True. And there is a Bolton/Romney affinity. But this does not attain the status of 'news' for me. If there's an actual danger that it could occur, I'm going to have to hear it from a different source. Not a Tweet from Max B., either.

121 erik_t  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:28:36pm

re: #114 Gus

Oh look!

Report: Bolton Is a “Leading Candidate” for Secretary of State

Well, we got rid of the Secretary of War position in 1947.

122 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:30:51pm
123 blueraven  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:33:30pm

Maybe Bolton would be too controversial to get confirmed as S of S, but he could still be a top foreign policy adviser and that, in and of itself, is a scary proposition.

124 Gus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:34:33pm

re: #123 blueraven

Maybe Bolton would be too controversial to get confirmed as S of S, but he could still be a top foreign policy adviser and that, in and of itself, is a scary proposition.

He's currently a foreign policy adviser to Romney.

125 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:36:53pm

re: #123 blueraven

Maybe Bolton would be too controversial to get confirmed as S of S, but he could still be a top foreign policy adviser and that, in and of itself, is a scary proposition.

I think Bolton would be too controversial to be nominated. What I find scary, though, is that Romney is not too controversial to get elected. Same agenda as all the other freaks who ran in the primary (Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Santorum, etc.) but in a milder package to fool the masses.

126 Ming  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:41:16pm

It seems like it doesn't happen often enough: the "mainstream" (the Jewish Federation) gives a well-deserved rebuke to the "fringe" (Geller). I wish more Republicans would speak out against Rush Limbaugh, more African-American liberals would speak out against Farrakhan, etc. I'm not trying to make tight analogies here!

My point is, I feel so darned GOOD when I hear a story like this, that someone who's beyond the pale (Geller) is rebuked by the very side she PRESUMES to be on. I wish it would happen more often.

127 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:53:29pm
128 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:56:05pm

Good. Geller is fascist dog shit.

129 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:01:12pm
130 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:08:44pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

I think Bolton would be too controversial to be nominated. What I find scary, though, is that Romney is not too controversial to get elected. Same agenda as all the other freaks who ran in the primary (Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Santorum, etc.) but in a milder package to fool the masses.

Bolton would probably be confirmed if nominated. The parties will happily filibuster each other's judges, but they are far less willing to do so with cabinet secretaries. On those, the rule is that the president gets to pick his own people.

131 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:14:41pm

Report: Bolton Is a “Leading Candidate” for Secretary of State scaring voters away from the republican party

bolton is a dangerous and ignorant crank

i expect better from mitt

132 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:15:02pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

I think Bolton would be too controversial to be nominated. What I find scary, though, is that Romney is not too controversial to get elected. Same agenda as all the other freaks who ran in the primary (Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Santorum, etc.) but in a milder package to fool the masses.

Not only that, but Romney isn't really moderating that much at all so far in the general. Sure, he's chickenshitted out of taking a stand on things like Obama's recent ICE directive version of Dream Act Lite - With Romney issuing milquetoast sentiments like he want's a "permanent solution" when he was staunchly against the Dream Act during the primaries. However he's not offering anything by way of specifics except for stuff like this, having the hangers on name drop Bolton, who is fanatically hard right. What Mitt isn't doing is making hard choices or demonstrating any action one might normally associate with leadership.

I think mentioning Bolton says something about the perceived lack of options on the right for the State job as well. The only real qualified Republican alternative I can think of is Jon Huntsman, and there are myriad reasons why Romney can't be seen considering him for the job.

133 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:17:01pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Bolton would probably be confirmed if nominated. The parties will happily filibuster each other's judges, but they are far less willing to do so with cabinet secretaries. On those, the rule is that the president gets to pick his own people.

That's why he won't be nominated.

If Mitt gets one term, he's going to want a second.

134 dragonath  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:20:04pm

re: #124 Gus

He's currently a foreign policy adviser to Romney.

But... but... I thought he was going to be

*looks around*

taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacking to the center!!

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135 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:23:49pm

Report: Bolton Is a “Leading Candidate”

actually, i don't believe it - i think it's just fodder for that famous right wing base that needs constant pandering attention

if mitt is anything, he is mr corporation. mr corporation wants smooth, professional sounding, impenetrably reasonable secretaries of state who answer all questions without saying anything understandable or quotable

136 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:26:01pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Not only that, but Romney isn't really moderating that much at all so far in the general. Sure, he's chickenshitted out of taking a stand on things like Obama's recent ICE directive on Dream Act - Issuing milquetoast sentiments like he want's a permanent solution when he was staunchly against the Dream Act during the primaries. However he's not offering anything by way of specifics except for stuff like this, having his campaign name drop Bolton, who is fanatically hard right. What Mitt isn't doing is making hard choices or demonstrating any action one might normally associate with leadership.

I think mentioning Bolton says something about the perceived lack of options on the right for the State job as well. The only real qualified Republican alternative I can think of is Jon Huntsman, and there are myriad reasons why Romney can't be seen considering him for the job.

I think his association with Bolton and Kobach as advisers was for the primary. He won't disavow them if he doesn't have to, but he's not going to get any closer to them before the election, and not after either, if he doesn't have to. But if he has to, of course he will. He'll do anything he has to. Like take a stand on something, eventually.

137 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:31:08pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Bolton would probably be confirmed if nominated. The parties will happily filibuster each other's judges, but they are far less willing to do so with cabinet secretaries. On those, the rule is that the president gets to pick his own people.

You left out, for some reason, the shameful, stupid, and wasteful GOP blocking of many of Obama's nominees for executive positions. The GOP is not letting Obama pick his team.

I'm sure you know this, right?

Many vacant executive posts are going unfilled because the GOP simply won't let them. As a result, departments are understaffed, under-managed, and wasting money.

And when you say that both parties filibuster each other's judicial nominees, you might honestly state that the GOP is blocking an unprecedented number of Obama's judicial nominees, as well.

138 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:32:16pm

Just in time for the release of Jaws on Blue-Ray:

Cue the Jaws theme song because two great white sharks have been spotted off the coast of Cape Cod.

Just in time for the influx of summer tourists to the popular Massachusetts beach, state fisheries officials say two great white sharks that were tagged last summer off the Cape Cod coast have been detected via transmitter signals. The state tagged seven sharks last year as part of an initiative to track the animals. Now, according to WBZ-TV, audio signals from the electronic trackers worn by two of the sharks were received by the State Division of Marine Fisheries.

The sharks are attracted to the Massachusetts coast, not for the tourist attractions that dot the resort area, but for a growing seal population on Monomoy Island. The all-you-can-eat seal buffet has brought the great whites to the area in recent years. A shark researcher for the state of Massachusetts, speaking to WBZ-TV, noted that he had seen seals with shark bite markings on them as recently as Wednesday.

139 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:33:36pm

if mitt is elected will he institute annual performance reviews for all citizens? will we look into selling off non-performing assets such as certain states i could name that consistently eat more in federal funds than they contribute? will the population be "rightsized"?

on the other hand, will mitt convince the republican party that "it takes money to make money" and finally get them to endorse having the federal government invest some serious money in capital improvements and new lines of business? will he convince them to stop taking a jaundiced view of investing in your human assets and free up money for training?

in the end, i really still have no idea what mitt means by using the lessons he learned at bain except that "the base" obviously thinks it means getting rid of social security, medicare and medicaid, unemployment relief and foodstamps

140 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:40:24pm

re: #139 engineer cat

if mitt is elected will he institute annual performance reviews for all citizens? will we look into selling off non-performing assets such as certain states i could name that consistently eat more in federal funds than they contribute? will the population be "rightsized"?

on the other hand, will mitt convince the republican party that "it takes money to make money" and finally get them to endorse having the federal government invest some serious money in capital improvements and new lines of business? will he convince them to stop taking a jaundiced view of investing in your human assets and free up money for training?

in the end, i really still have no idea what mitt means by using the lessons he learned at bain except that "the base" obviously thinks it means getting rid of social security, medicare and medicaid, unemployment relief and foodstamps

Though Mitt did make clear that he won't be getting rid of SNAP (the program often called 'food stamps'). I think that Mitt Romney does understand that the idea of doing away with the welfare state is simply impossible. A modern economy simply cannot do without it, because without it the losers capitalism inevitably produces, plus those who are worried about losing, would simply vote capitalism out.

The question is not "Can capitalism survive the welfare state?", rather the question is "How can capitalism and the welfare state successfully co-exist?" Because without one of the two, the other one is doomed in the long run.

141 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:51:10pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

Though Mitt did make clear that he won't be getting rid of SNAP (the program often called 'food stamps'). I think that Mitt Romney does understand that the idea of doing away with the welfare state is simply impossible. A modern economy simply cannot do without it, because without it the losers capitalism inevitably produces, plus those who are worried about losing, would simply vote capitalism out.

The question is not "Can capitalism survive the welfare state?", rather the question is "How can capitalism and the welfare state successfully co-exist?" Because without one of the two, the other one is doomed in the long run.

so you're a socialist then?
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seriously, though, consider that what you are referring to as "the welfare state" are the functions of government shared by all modern nations, and the united states rather less than most. given that, perhaps instead of calling it "the welfare state", a term which obviously carries negative overtones, you should say more accurately call it a "modern government". the question then becomes "how can social darwinistic capitalism (you did say "the losers capitalism inevitably produces", after all) co-exist with a modern nation state?"

but this also begs the question, yet again: is society a game with winners and losers or a family of people working together for a better life for all?

142 wrenchwench  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 5:53:44pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

Though Mitt did make clear that he won't be getting rid of SNAP (the program often called 'food stamps'). I think that Mitt Romney does understand that the idea of doing away with the welfare state is simply impossible. A modern economy simply cannot do without it, because without it the losers capitalism inevitably produces, plus those who are worried about losing, would simply vote capitalism out.

The question is not "Can capitalism survive the welfare state?", rather the question is "How can capitalism and the welfare state successfully co-exist?" Because without one of the two, the other one is doomed in the long run.

Pinko.

Plus what engineer cat said.

143 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jun 24, 2012 7:13:54pm

re: #141 engineer cat

but this also begs the question, yet again: is society a game with winners and losers or a family of people working together for a better life for all?

As my favourite writer puts it:

COMPETITION An activity in which there are more losers than winners. Otherwise it's not a competition. A society based on competition is therefore a society that consists mostly of losers.

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 25, 2012 7:53:22pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

They didn't book her -- the Zionist Organization of America booked the event and reserved the conference room at the Jewish Federation.

ZOA dun whut?

Scuse me, I have a phone call to make.

145 Flavia  Mon, Jun 25, 2012 10:24:16pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

It never fails to amaze me how these people spin & reframe things.

The letter sent out by the ZOA claims the cancellation is the result of a combination of intimidation by Muslims (imaginary threat of violence), Leftist apologetics designed to appease the scary/violent Muslims, and the "Islamic agenda of shutting down free speech and fostering animosity between Jews".

And because, y'know, every time Geller tries to have a rational discussion, the Leftists and their Muslim overlords make up lies and paint her as an evil hater. O_o

I am reposting yours post because it's not just succinct, it puts the finger right in the heart of the lunacy. As if it takes a conspiracy to show her what the crazy person she sounds like, as if there were any proof that it was Muslims (even the evil pseudo terrorist types) behind this - and how can HAVING her foster ANYTHING BUT animosity??? I can't even write coherently anymore - she's embarrassing, stupid - off the deep end. It's one thing to notice that there's a subset of "Muslims" who are a real danger to Jews, or anyone else they decide they don't like - but she's SO FAR OFF THE DEEP END of painting ALL Muslims with this brush that she's only hurting herself - and anyone who can even be thought to associate with her. Ok, gotta stop now - I'm going to rant or cry or worse.


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