Video: Henri’s Ennui, Part 3
The existentially weary feline complains again
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researchok Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:37:31pm |
All that is missing is crushed pack of Gauloises in the background.
Maybe sitting on a frayed black beret.
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:43:56pm |
Normally, I could relate, but I just landed a new job. Got a 40% raise in the process.
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dragonath Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:45:38pm |
I found a page to what must be the German analogue of Elmer Gantry on wikipedia today. It’s called “Der Untertan”
Der Untertan is the most famous novel by German author Heinrich Mann. It has been translated into English under the titles “Man of Straw,” “The Patrioteer,” and “The Loyal Subject” (translation by Helmut Peitsch). The title literally means ‘The Subject’, in the sense of an individual subjected to the rule by an elite.
Although the novel was completed in July 1914, shortly before the outbreak of World War I, it was not published until 1918 (by Kurt Wolff Verlag of Leipzig). After the war, the novel enjoyed considerable popularity, given its critiques of the ultra-nationalism of Wilhelmine Germany.
“Der Untertan” portrays the life of Diederich Hessling, a slavish and fanatical admirer of Kaiser Wilhelm II, as an archetype of nationalist Wilhelmine Germany. Hessling is unthinkingly obedient to authority and maintains a rigid dedication to the nationalist goals of the German state.
Throughout the novel, Hessling’s inflexible ideals are often contradicted by his actions: he preaches bravery but is a coward; he is the strongest proponent of the military but seeks to be excused from his obligatory military service; his greatest political opponents are the revolutionary Social Democrats, yet he uses his influence to help send his hometown’s SPD candidate to the Reichstag to defeat his Liberal competitors in business; he starts vicious rumors against the latter and then dissociates himself from them; he preaches and enforces Christian virtues upon others but lies, cheats, and regularly commits infidelity.
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:46:41pm |
re: #3 Be Zorch, Daddio
In other words, a Republican.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:46:47pm |
re: #2 PT Barnum
Normally, I could relate, but I just landed a new job. Got a 40% raise in the process.
Must be nice. Although I got a healthy 4% raise from my boss earlier this summer.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:49:07pm |
re: #4 PT Barnum
In other words, a Republican.
Not really comparable. That kind of monarchism really has no American analogue.
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:51:07pm |
re: #5 thedopefishlives
I went from making a lot less for a couple of years to making what I was two years ago, so to a large extent it was just making back lost $.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:52:20pm |
re: #6 Dark_Falcon
Not really comparable. That kind of monarchism really has no American analogue.
Keep telling yourself that…does this sound like anyone you know?
he starts vicious rumors against the latter and then dissociates himself from them; he preaches and enforces Christian virtues upon others but lies, cheats, and regularly commits infidelity.
John McCain, Newt Gingrich, John Ensign, Larry Craig, probably Mitt Romney (though he probably couldn’t get a blow job in a bathroom if he tried)…the list goes on.
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:52:58pm |
re: #6 Dark_Falcon
Perhaps not, but the unquestioning allegiance to ideology and rampant hypocrisy certainly do.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:53:04pm |
re: #7 PT Barnum
I went from making a lot less for a couple of years to making what I was two years ago, so to a large extent it was just making back lost $.
Yeah, when I switched jobs I took a noticeable pay cut. I still haven’t made it all back yet. The job market can be stupid sometimes.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:54:54pm |
re: #6 Dark_Falcon
Not really comparable. That kind of monarchism really has no American analogue.
Are you ready to explain yet why you previously stated that Obama was preferable to Mitt Romney as president, and now you have changed your tune?
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:54:55pm |
re: #8 darthstar
Keep telling yourself that…does this sound like anyone you know?
John McCain, Newt Gingrich, John Ensign, Larry Craig, probably Mitt Romney (though he probably couldn’t get a blow job in a bathroom if he tried)…the list goes on.
That’s why he wears the magic bloomers, to keep away teh ghey.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:55:04pm |
re: #10 thedopefishlives
Yeah, when I switched jobs I took a noticeable pay cut. I still haven’t made it all back yet. The job market can be stupid sometimes.
I haven’t gotten a real raise in close to 7 years. Luckily, our CEO got a nice bonus due to a round of layoffs, so our company’s got that going for it. The great thing about being on the low end of my job’s salary range is there is always someone ahead of me to get laid off.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 26, 2012 6:58:23pm |
re: #13 Kragar
I haven’t gotten a real raise in close to 7 years. Luckily, our CEO got a nice bonus due to a round of layoffs, so our company’s got that going for it. The great thing about being on the low end of my job’s salary range is there is always someone ahead of me to get laid off.
Heh, I said the same thing, but then I got the axe a few years ago.
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:00:00pm |
re: #13 Kragar
I would love to see a rule that all compensation and bonuses must be based on long term performance, and be not be fully vested without sustained performance.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:01:48pm |
re: #11 Obdicut
Are you ready to explain yet why you previously stated that Obama was preferable to Mitt Romney as president, and now you have changed your tune?
If you want, you can put it down to frustration with Romney at the time before my normal partisan instincts took over. There is also the fact that both my father and best friend would rather have their foot blown off than vote for Obama. They reminded me of why its better if Obama loses, and some Obama’s actions since completed the cure.
Don’t ask me to elaborate, because I won’t.
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:01:58pm |
re: #14 thedopefishlives
There needs to be a rule requiring a CEO cut their own compensation before authorizing layoffs.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:02:19pm |
re: #14 thedopefishlives
Heh, I said the same thing, but then I got the axe a few years ago.
I’m really getting sick of managers with no clue coming in every 18 months and trying to “fix things” the last manager did. My teammates and I already have every plan memorized. Our latest manager thought we were kidding when we had a documented procedure on why his ideas wouldn’t work in our environment. 6 months later, we’re implementing the back out plan to fix his ideas.
I need a new job.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:02:19pm |
re: #15 PT Barnum
I would love to see a rule that all compensation and bonuses must be based on long term performance, and be not be fully vested without sustained performance.
At least for upper management. Although I have no problem with being asked to maintain my own work performance.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:03:40pm |
re: #17 PT Barnum
There needs to be a rule requiring a CEO cut their own compensation before authorizing layoffs.
Officially, our CEO got a $1 annual salary.
oh, and several millions dollars worth of company stock.
Funny how the stock prices went up when the layoffs got announced.
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:03:55pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
If your reasons won’t stand up to other peoples scrutiny, then your reasons suck.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:04:00pm |
re: #17 PT Barnum
There needs to be a rule requiring a CEO cut their own compensation before authorizing layoffs.
It wouldn’t survive a court challenge.
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engineer cat Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:04:29pm |
a slavish and fanatical admirer of Kaiser Wilhelm II
they had a little documentary on tv a little while ago about the afterlife, you might call it, of one of the imperial families, i can’t remember if it was the german or austrian
anyway, so a lot of people still look on this guy as emperor, even though in daily life he’s a doctor and rather embarrassed at his imperial pedigree, except there’s one fanatical devotee he’s acquainted with who has a serious drinking problem, and a friend asks him to help
so he goes to this guy, and draws himself up into a commanding pose, and thunders “as your emperor, i command you to stop drinking!!”
i guess that was the only imperial order he ever issued. he said it worked, for a while…
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darthstar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:05:23pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
rather have their foot blown off than vote for Obama.
Funny…I thought Republicans did that to keep from serving in wars.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:06:01pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
If you want, you can put it down to frustration with Romney at the time before my normal partisan instincts took over.
Yes, or, to put it another way, actually thinking about each man’s qualities as a leader rather than as a member of a party.
There is also the fact that both my father and best friend would rather have their foot blown off than vote for Obama. They reminded me of why its better if Obama loses, and some Obama’s actions since completed the cure.
I figured it was probably the outside influence of the people that you say you turn your decision-making over to.
Don’t ask me to elaborate, because I won’t.
Why not?
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:06:04pm |
re: #20 Kragar
Stock should be vested based on sales and performance other than the stock price.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:06:14pm |
re: #20 Kragar
Officially, our CEO got a $1 annual salary.
oh, and several millions dollars worth of company stock.
Funny how the stock prices went up when the layoffs got announced.
I’m a big fan of figuring out a way to increase taxes on people who use stocks and other securities for their primary income. This whole “I earned $1 but my investments earned me $15 billion” crap is not cutting it.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:08:42pm |
re: #24 darthstar
Funny…I thought Republicans did that to keep from serving in wars.
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You might repeat that joke to john McCain and his two sons and see if they find it funny.
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bratwurst Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:09:18pm |
re: #25 Obdicut
I figured it was probably the outside influence of the people that you say you turn your decision-making over to.
I know I can honestly say that my support for Obama has nothing to do with the desires of my father or my friends.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:09:53pm |
Whoops, excuse me for a second, I left my asbestos suit off-thread. Be right back.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:10:25pm |
re: #27 thedopefishlives
It’s pretty easy. Tax capital gains like regular income, minus inflation since investment. Done.
So, stock options— which are instantaneous when exercised for a turnaround sale— would be taxed fully. If exercised, held onto, and sold later, they’d be taxed minus the inflation. This is to prevent long-term investment from being penalized.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:11:11pm |
re: #28 Dark_Falcon
You might repeat that joke to john McCain and his two sons and see if they find it funny.
Hero worship…it’s so overrated.
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sagehen Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:11:43pm |
re: #1 researchok
All that is missing is crushed pack of Gauloises in the background.
Maybe sitting on a frayed black beret.
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howzabout a French Poodle (full-size, with the puffball grooming) to give Henri some excitement? They’re stupid-looking dogs, but very smart. Good hunters.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:11:56pm |
re: #29 bratwurst
I know I can honestly say that my support for Obama has nothing to do with the desires of my father or my friends.
My dad’s a birther…can’t change that. But it doesn’t mean I won’t vote for Obama.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:12:52pm |
re: #32 darthstar
Hero worship…it’s so overrated.
You DERPed about Republicans dodging war service, and I countered with a senior Republican who did the exact opposite, as did his sons.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:13:13pm |
re: #28 Dark_Falcon
You do realize it’s pretty insane to hate Obama that much, right, or to believe that he’s that destructive? I mean, on some level, you’ve got to understand how unhealthy that extremist thinking is. I understand these are people you’re close to that we’re talking about, but you really should consider their well-being and how you may be enabling them by supporting their extremist views.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:13:57pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
You DERPed about Republicans dodging war service, and I countered with a senior Republican who did the exact opposite, as did his sons.
Kind of makes the lack of other examples more noticeable.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:14:02pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
If you want, you can put it down to frustration with Romney at the time before my normal partisan instincts took over. There is also the fact that both my father and best friend would rather have their foot blown off than vote for Obama. They reminded me of why its better if Obama loses, and some Obama’s actions since completed the cure.
Don’t ask me to elaborate, because I won’t.
ROFL. In other words you’ve got nothing, not even weak sauce. No self examination. No analysis to speak of. Just blind, go along to get along daddy’s boy bullshit.
Amazing, are you just immune to embarrassment or what? And for the record, this is exactly why I called bullshit yesterday on your assertion that your political outlook is the result of growing up in Chicago. That clearly has nothing to do with it, somehow you’ve been programmed to simply not think for yourself, and the pathetic part is that you’re totally okay with it.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:14:09pm |
re: #32 darthstar
Hero worship…it’s so overrated.
Plenty of Republicans serve honorably. Those who don’t, who go out of their way to avoid service— like Cheney, Nugent, Romney, etc— can be rightly criticized for doing so. But the brush, she is too broad.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:14:28pm |
re: #31 Obdicut
It’s pretty easy. Tax capital gains like regular income, minus inflation since investment. Done.
So, stock options— which are instantaneous when exercised for a turnaround sale— would be taxed fully. If exercised, held onto, and sold later, they’d be taxed minus the inflation. This is to prevent long-term investment from being penalized.
But of course, it’ll never happen, because capital gains is the driving force behind most of the country’s richest men, and they will pay through the nose to ensure they stay that way.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:15:53pm |
re: #40 thedopefishlives
The really funny part is that rich people in egalitarian societies— like the Nordic ones— actually feel happier about their wealth than rich people here in the US do. So they’re really fucking themselves over by continuing to increase the wealth disparity, even before you factor in things like the way it’s destroying our economy.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:17:49pm |
re: #39 Obdicut
Plenty of Republicans serve honorably. Those who don’t, who go out of their way to avoid service— like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Nugent, Romney, etc— can be rightly criticized for doing so. But the brush, she is too broad.
Not Rumsfeld.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:18:54pm |
re: #7 PT Barnum
I went from making a lot less for a couple of years to making what I was two years ago, so to a large extent it was just making back lost $.
I was unemployed for three years, then I got a job in 2010, very low pay but I took it just to get back in the game.
I got laid off at the beginning of this year “for budgetary reasons” then I got hired back by the same company, different location, for double the pay I was making last year.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:19:45pm |
re: #39 Obdicut
Plenty of Republicans serve honorably. Those who don’t, who go out of their way to avoid service— like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Nugent, Romney, etc— can be rightly criticized for doing so. But the brush, she is too broad.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:20:29pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:23:19pm |
re: #42 Gus
Not Rumsfeld.
Rumsfeld was in Congress during the Vietnam War. He also played a leading role in getting rid of the draft, which eliminated the issues deferments and draft discrimination. The elimination of the draft is a reason to have some appreciation for Donald Rumsfeld.
But then again, had Rumsfeld not returned as SecDef in 2001, he would be thought of a minor but successful figure within the 1960’s-1990’s GOP. But return he did, and having done so he screwed up rather badly.
Note: This post has been edited to ensure it does not sound hostile to Gus.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:23:53pm |
re: #2 PT Barnum
Normally, I could relate, but I just landed a new job. Got a 40% raise in the process.
Dude!
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:24:44pm |
re: #44 Amory Blaine
Man, that picture of him is just fucking asinine. He looks like such an asshole. Take it seriously, for fuck’s sake.
He irritates me more than Kerry did, and Kerry really, really irritated me.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:25:40pm |
re: #50 Obdicut
Man, that picture of him is just fucking asinine. He looks like such an asshole. Take it seriously, for fuck’s sake.
He irritates me more than Kerry did, and Kerry really, really irritated me.
He can’t take anything seriously. He’s a frat boy prankster who is playing at being grown up.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:28:37pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:30:03pm |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
Rumsfeld was in Congress during the Vietnam War. He also played a leading role in getting rid of the draft, which eliminated the issues deferments and draft discrimination. So for that, you should have some appreciation for Donald Rumsfeld.
i don’t count getting rid of the draft as an unalloyed Good Thing
i was really appalled at how the armed forces were treated like, it seemed to me, a servant class during the iraq and afghanistan wars
i agree with those who proposed that if we had had traditional conscription during that time that there might have been less vainglorious war mongering in congress, since they might have considered the possibility of their children being sent in
it was as if people making the decisions in government and the soldiers belonged to two completely different classes
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bratwurst Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:31:12pm |
re: #50 Obdicut
Man, that picture of him is just fucking asinine. He looks like such an asshole. Take it seriously, for fuck’s sake.
He irritates me more than Kerry did, and Kerry really, really irritated me.
That’s the smile of a guy who knew he was going to be spending the war knocking on doors in France!
Of course, now he lies and claims that he “longed” to be there. Can you imagine saying something that ridiculous?
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:31:26pm |
re: #50 Obdicut
Man, that picture of him is just fucking asinine. He looks like such an asshole. Take it seriously, for fuck’s sake.
He irritates me more than Kerry did, and Kerry really, really irritated me.
Mitt strikes me as the kind of guy who wouldn’t hesitate to send conscripts to make a noble sacrifice on his behalf.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:32:07pm |
re: #54 bratwurst
Yeah. The number of lies he’s telling about his past and motivations is rather shocking. And that nobody in the GOP is willing to call him to account for them, at all, is also sad. You’d think some of the veterans, at least, would harumph.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:33:43pm |
Glad CBS updated their story.
Grass tied to Texas cattle deaths hybrid, not GM
(CBS News) The recent deaths of 15 head of cattle in Bastrop County have been linked to the grass in the field where they were grazing, which tests indicated produced cyanide gas.
The findings were first reported by CBS Station KEYE in Austin.
Federal officials are investigating whether a random mutation of the grass variety was responsible.
However, it was incorrectly reported that the grass the cows ingested - a form of Bermuda grass known as Tifton 85 - was a genetically modified organism.
In fact, Tifton 85 is a hybrid, not a GM organism…
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:34:02pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
If you want, you can put it down to frustration with Romney at the time before my normal partisan instincts took over. There is also the fact that both my father and best friend would rather have their foot blown off than vote for Obama. They reminded me of why its better if Obama loses, and some Obama’s actions since completed the cure.
Don’t ask me to elaborate, because I won’t.
You’ve been suckered by the ‘Galt’.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:34:38pm |
re: #50 Obdicut
Man, that picture of him is just fucking asinine. He looks like such an asshole. Take it seriously, for fuck’s sake.
He irritates me more than Kerry did, and Kerry really, really irritated me.
Kerry served honorably. Unlike Mitt.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:35:23pm |
re: #58 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
You’ve been suckered by the ‘Galt’.
John Galt would totally abandon society so he and other millionaires could nobly scrub the shit out of their own toilets.
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bratwurst Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:35:24pm |
re: #56 Obdicut
Oh my…can you imagine if a DEMOCRAT took FOUR deferments, then later lied that they “longed” to go to Vietnam? I suspect we can get DF to admit that he would post “SPIT” at the mention of that Democrat’s name.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:35:37pm |
Also worth reading.
Drought can turn some forage deadly Cattle News - Editorial, Grain & Cattle Markets, Current Stories
BENTONVILLE, Ark. – Grasses that are normally a valuable forage can turn deadly when the rain stops falling and cattle producers need to think twice before turning herds out on to droughted pastures, according to personnel with the University of Arkansas System Division of Agriculture.
Phil Sims, Pope County extension staff chair for the Division of Agriculture, said he had a producer “called last summer after turning cattle into a cut-over hay meadow. He did not think about the Johnsongrass that had started re growing following a shower.
“He returned four hours later to find four dead cattle and two dying,” Sims said.
When drought occurs, grasses can poison cattle two ways; with accumulated nitrates or prussic acid, also known as cyanide…
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:37:26pm |
re: #56 Obdicut
You’d think some of the veterans, at least, would harumph.
Black man -> White house.
The veterans who are harumphing are people like my first stepdad, Viet Nam marine force recon vet and huge Obama supporter from the beginning.
I don’t look for things like consistency or integrity from conservatives anymore. They’ve basically divided into two groups on Romney, those participating in the circle jerk and the Freepers on the periphery just watching with rage boners in hand.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:38:06pm |
No, genetically modified grass isn’t killing cows with cyanide
Perhaps you heard the story going around today. A genetically modified grass started pumping out cyanide gas, killing a herd of cattle. CBS News had the scoop, as seen at WTVR.com in Richmond: “Genetically modified grass linked to cattle deaths.” It’s basically a story custom-built for rapid spread around the internet.
And it is basically completely wrong. The grass at issue, Tifton 85, was not genetically modified at all, but rather is a hybrid. Confusion between hybridized crops (which is a process that is basically as old as the idea of “crops”) and GMOs is not uncommon….
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:38:19pm |
re: #44 Amory Blaine
John Kerry enlisted in 1966. The same year the Mittster was taking pictures with his frat buddies.
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jaunte Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:40:03pm |
re: #64 Gus
Poisonous Plants of the Southern United States
[Johnsongrass] Found throughout the south; most abundant in fields, waste places, fence rows and on ditch banks. Particularly abundant in rich delta land such as in Mississippi. Once widely cultivated as a hay and pasture crop.
TOXICITY
Under conditions of drought, trampling, frost, or second growth, the plants may contain cyanide. In addition, if heavily fertilized with nitrogen, there is a possibility of nitrate poisoning if the plants are drought stricken.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:40:23pm |
re: #53 engineer cat
i don’t count getting rid of the draft as an unalloyed Good Thing
i was really appalled at how the armed forces were treated like, it seemed to me, a servant class during the iraq and afghanistan wars
i agree with those who proposed that if we had had traditional conscription during that time that there might have been less vainglorious war mongering in congress, since they might have considered the possibility of their children being sent in
it was as if people making the decisions in government and the soldiers belonged to two completely different classes
Not unalloyed, but it allowed for a far more skilled army, which in turn has helped greatly reduce our casualties in war. Compared to conscripts, our current army is far more effective at its main job: Protecting the nation.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:40:57pm |
re: #65 Amory Blaine
At the time, I thought this would be the height of GOP disgracefulness.
Way to prove me wrong, guys!
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:41:17pm |
re: #28 Dark_Falcon
You might repeat that joke to john McCain and his two sons and see if they find it funny.
How about to Romney, Bush Jr., and Cheney?
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:41:34pm |
Charles Barron goes down:
Jeffries called winner in NY8 - Barron gets hat handed to him.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) June 27, 2012
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:42:50pm |
re: #33 sagehen
howzabout a French Poodle (full-size, with the puffball grooming) to give Henri some excitement? They’re stupid-looking dogs, but very smart. Good hunters.
The ‘puffball’ grooming is just for show. The working dogs use a different cut and are large, loyal intelligent dogs.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:43:30pm |
re: #66 jaunte
My bullshit detector almost broke when I first read it. Custom made for Alex Jones and company with people jumping to conclusions. Even the veterinarian was more pragmatic.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:44:15pm |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:44:33pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:46:29pm |
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:50:46pm |
re: #64 Gus
No, genetically modified grass isn’t killing cows with cyanide
A hybrid is when you breed a Republican with a Democrat.
A GMO is when you delete the ‘snake’ gene from, or insert an empathy gene into a Republican.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:53:17pm |
re: #74 thedopefishlives
Score one for sanity.
I’ll also note that Barron was supported by the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, who supported him because his opponent, New York State Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries, due to Jeffries’ support for charter schools.
Thus AFSCME which had earlier this month supported Tom Barrett in Wisconsin and opposed pension reform initiatives in San Diego and San Jose, has now gotten a perfect record for closely watched races in June: The people they’ve supported have lost every single one.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:53:32pm |
re: #66 jaunte
Good lord, I hadn’t thought about Johnsongrass in freaking ages. It’s all over the damned place in TX, but I guess you know what.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:53:54pm |
re: #77 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
A hybrid is when you breed a Republican with a Democrat.
A GMO is when you delete the ‘snake’ gene from, or insert an empathy gene into a Republican.
I would have said the deletion of the derp gene from a Hoft, but that is too unbelievable.
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jaunte Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:54:29pm |
re: #79 CuriousLurker
I just mowed a little of it last weekend, but didn’t stop to snack.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:54:53pm |
re: #77 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
A hybrid is when you breed a Republican with a Democrat.
A GMO is when you delete the ‘snake’ gene from, or insert an empathy gene into a Republican.
By that logic, no Republican could ever be big on political pork, since we all know that pig and elephant DNA just won’t splice.
/South Park reference.
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bratwurst Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:54:55pm |
My Mom is upset that Oreos support gay marriage. She’s going to be heartbroken when she learns Teddy Grahams are pro-choice.— Mike Drucker (@MikeDrucker) June 27, 2012
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:55:48pm |
re: #79 CuriousLurker
Good lord, I hadn’t thought about Johnsongrass in freaking ages. It’s all over the damned place in TX, but I guess you know what.
Our Johnsons aren’t that big up here.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:55:54pm |
re: #75 Gus
I knew he’d lose. ;) Gotta have, faith.
Doesn’t appear to have even been close.
NY8 should be called shortly - Jeffries remains up on Barron 73-27 (36% reporting)— lawhawk (@lawhawk) June 27, 2012
Of course the assholes who were selling the “heart and soul of the Democratic Party” meme will just go onto inventing the next lie. They live in a world where concepts like integrity and past performance don’t exist.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:57:28pm |
re: #85 goddamnedfrank
Doesn’t appear to have even been close.
[Embedded content]
Of course the assholes who were selling the “heart and soul of the Democratic Party” meme will just go onto inventing the next lie. They live in a world where concepts like integrity and past performance don’t exist.
Exactly. When I read that “heart and soul of the Democratic Party” BS I almost blew a head gasket. And I still haven’t re-registered as a Dem in ages only because I like being an (I). Jeffries won by a landslide.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:57:45pm |
Perino: Non-whites have ‘all the advantages’ at universities
“Do you think scribbling dopey phrases on your forehead makes you appear thoughtful?” co-host Greg Gutfeld asked. “When an idiot writes ‘No Hate’ on his cheek, it just makes the idiot easier to spot.”
But co-host Bob Beckel approved of the campaign: “I think the message is the right one. And I also think it is true that if you’re white in America, you have advantages.”
“If you’re black in America, you also have advantages,” Gutfeld remarked.
“And if you are at a university and you happen to be non-white then you have advantages, all the advantages, right?” Perino agreed.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:57:56pm |
re: #84 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
Our Johnsons aren’t that big up here.
DON’T you start… *glares menacingly*
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:58:58pm |
re: #84 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
Our Johnsons aren’t that big up here.
It’s all that cold water.
Shrinkage.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:59:45pm |
re: #80 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
I would have said the deletion of the derp gene from a Hoft, but that is too unbelievable.
What’s left of the genome after you take it out?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:00:23pm |
re: #88 Amory Blaine
Perino: Non-whites have ‘all the advantages’ at universities
Dana Perino; Proof that peroxide bleeches the brain.
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jaunte Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:01:12pm |
re: #88 Amory Blaine
Major in Communications, minor in pandering.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:06:00pm |
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:06:18pm |
re: #84 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
Everything’s bigger in Texas.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:07:27pm |
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:09:58pm |
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:10:26pm |
re: #97 Obdicut
Especially the bullshit.
Especially the bullshit. Although Alberta gives Texas a run for its money.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:11:32pm |
re: #98 CuriousLurker
The funny thing is he might not even be Muslim. There are lots of African Americans with Muslim first names who aren’t.
Yep.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:13:38pm |
re: #99 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
Especially the bullshit. Although Alberta gives Texas a run for its money.
Alberta still ain’t got nothin’ on Illinois, though. But you’d need more bullshit than will ever be found in Canada to top Rod Blagojevich.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:14:21pm |
re: #98 CuriousLurker
The funny thing is he might not even be Muslim. There are lots of African Americans with Muslim first names who aren’t.
There’s the advantage of being from Tau Ceti IV, we have all sorts of names but none of us are of any Earthly religion.
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dragonfire1981 Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:14:24pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:15:09pm |
re: #67 Dark_Falcon
Not unalloyed, but it allowed for a far more skilled army, which in turn has helped greatly reduce our casualties in war. Compared to conscripts, our current army is far more effective at its main job: Protecting the nation.
it’s curious how this process mirrors marius’ professionalization of the roman army
but a side effect was to divorce the army from the roman citizenry, and create an army “class”
and then after a while the army discovered that it could make and unmake emperors
of course, this sort of thing doesn’t happen today - except for pakistan, egypt…
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:16:39pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
Alberta still ain’t got nothin’ on Illinois, though. But you’d need more bullshit than will even be found in Canada to top Rod Blagojevich.
That may be, but the Wild Rose party is full of creationists, AGW deniers and big, big oil.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:16:56pm |
re: #92 Dark_Falcon
Dana Perino; Proof the peroxide bleeches the brain.
It’s pretty dumb. I did see the ad though and I can’t say I’m crazy about it either. It’s a rather complicated issue and there are other ancillary statuses that affect privilege like class, wealth, education, elocution, etc.
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jaunte Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:18:27pm |
Appeals court to EPA: You just keep on regulating greenhouse gas:
[Link: grist.org…]
…The Wall Street Journal called the decisions “a blow to an array of industry groups”; Politico declared them ”a surprisingly sweeping win.” In short: very good news…
1. The Court determined that the EPA absolutely has authority to regulate greenhouse gases as a pollutant.
2. Even if there were uncertainty about climate science – the argument advanced by the petitioners — the entire point of the EPA regulations is to be proactive in addressing problems.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:19:43pm |
re: #107 jaunte
Appeals court to EPA: You just keep on regulating greenhouse gas
Finally, the good guys win one.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:21:04pm |
re: #107 jaunte
Your link is broken becuase it has an extra http:/ on the end.
I did get an amusing 404 page though, heh:
OK, So That Didn’t Work …
The page you requested could not be found. (When last seen, it was muttering something about joining an anti-whaling campaign and “really making a difference for once.”)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:21:19pm |
re: #104 engineer cat
it’s curious how this process mirrors marius’ professionalization of the roman army
but a side effect was to divorce the army from the roman citizenry, and create an army “class”
and then after a while the army discovered that it could make and unmake emperors
of course, this sort of thing doesn’t happen today - except for pakistan, egypt…
Actually, Egypt still has universal conscription, so it doesn’t truly fit.
Then there is also the fact that the landless men of Rome Marius recruited had been made landless after Hannibal burned them out of their lands during the Second Punic War. The Fabian strategy used to deny Hannibal decisive battles was ultimately successful, but it allowed the Carthaginian general to subject the Italian countryside to severe depredations. Unable to farm, many people fled to cities and sold their lands to nobles for often only a fraction of what it otherwise would have been worth. After the war, the nobles worked the land with slaves, and thus was the commonwealth structure of the Roman Republic undone.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:22:38pm |
In twenty years, when it becomes dangerously obvious that AGW is happening and we’re the main contributor, what will happen to all of those deniers who haven’t died of old age?
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jaunte Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:23:12pm |
re: #109 CuriousLurker
Thanks for letting me know; I think it’s fixed now.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:24:08pm |
re: #106 Gus
It’s pretty dumb. I did see the ad though and I can’t say I’m crazy about it either. It’s a rather complicated issue and there are other ancillary statuses that affect privilege like class, wealth, education, elocution, etc.
Most of which are the product of systemic privilege.
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dragonath Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:24:20pm |
re: #104 engineer cat
I’d also argue that the “professional” army is bad for society. The psychological viewpoint is different and it’s become less class inclusive.
“What which is not good for the beehive cannot be good for the bees”
-Marcus Aurelius
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:25:06pm |
re: #112 jaunte
YW. Yep, it’s working fine now.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:25:27pm |
re: #113 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
Most of which are the product of systemic privilege.
It’s also a product of families, parenting, etc.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:25:46pm |
re: #109 CuriousLurker
Your link is broken becuase it has an extra http:/ on the end.
I did get an amusing 404 page though, heh:
Please try the following:
If you typed in the address, make sure it is spelled korektly.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:25:56pm |
re: #110 Dark_Falcon
There was also a lot of legal maneuvering; it wasn’t all voluntary sales.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:27:05pm |
re: #118 Obdicut
There was also a lot of legal maneuvering; it wasn’t all voluntary sales.
True, very true. If only Varro had been a better general…
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:27:19pm |
re: #117 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
Please try the following:
If you typed in the address, make sure it is spelled korektly
LOL, I totally missed that part.
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jaunte Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:28:53pm |
The Pentagon recognized “Gay Pride Month” for the first time today, recognizing the contributions of its gay and lesbian troops.
The Gay Pride ceremony at the Pentagon drew some critics.
“The military cannot make political correctness a higher priority without making combat effectiveness a lower one,” said Peter Sprigg, a senior fellow for policy studies at the Family Research Council, a public-policy research group in Washington.
Sprigg declined to participate in an unarmed combat exhibition put on by several gay and lesbian troops at the event, claiming that his carpal tunnel problem was ‘acting up.’
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:34:17pm |
re: #116 Gus
It’s also a product of families, parenting, etc.
My point is that there exists a cycle where poor families are unable to help their kids so the kids end up like the parents and the well off are likely well off because of the system working in their favour. There are a lot of corollaries to being poor that include increased probability of addictions, alcoholism, crime, violence all of which are self perpetuating.
How a parent parents, how a family supports the children are directly tied to where they start, which while not determined by systemic biases, are certainly directed by those biases.
It takes far more effort for a NA aboriginal to become a top earner than it does the average white male.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:35:09pm |
re: #121 jaunte
The Pentagon recognized “Gay Pride Month” for the first time today, recognizing the contributions of its gay and lesbian troops.
Sprigg declined to participate in an unarmed combat exhibition put on by several gay and lesbian troops at the event, claiming that his carpal tunnel problem was ‘acting up.’
Right fucking on!
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dragonath Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:36:31pm |
re: #121 jaunte
Heads are probably popping in Texas, considering the Republican platform calls for:
Traditional Military Culture – To protect our serviceman and women and ensure that America’s Armed Forces remain the best in the world, we affirm the timelessness of those values, the benefits of traditional military culture and the incompatibility of homosexuality with military service.
Dark, I’d be interested to know how having people like this running the 2nd largest state party in this country squares with your views.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:37:47pm |
re: #124 Be Zorch, Daddio
Heads are probably popping in Texas, considering the Republican platform calls for:
Dark, I’d be interested to know how having people like this running the 2nd largest state party in this country squares with your views.
God knows, gays can’t shoot straight.
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Interesting Times Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:38:25pm |
re: #111 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
In twenty years, when it becomes dangerously obvious that AGW is happening and we’re the main contributor, what will happen to all of those deniers who haven’t died of old age?
Due to the GOP gov’t of the day following in the proud footsteps of their Texas brethren and banning critical thinking, they’ll just blame it on gay marriage.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:38:41pm |
re: #122 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
My point is that there exists a cycle where poor families are unable to help their kids so the kids end up like the parents and the well off are likely well off because of the system working in their favour. There are a lot of corollaries to being poor that include increased probability of addictions, alcoholism, crime, violence all of which are self perpetuating.
How a parent parents, how a family supports the children are directly tied to where they start, which while not determined by systemic biases, they certainly are directed by those biases.
It takes far more effort for a NA aboriginal to become a top earner than it does the average white male.
Let’s say we accept that becoming a “top earner” is the ideal. There’s no doubt that a NA aboriginal would have a more difficult time statistically in becoming a top earner. How do we propose fixing this? Do we fix it by telling white people that they’re privileged? That’s the answer? Or is the answer education, outreach, opportunity, a reformed judicial system, scholarships, mentoring, etc? To help them form an education foundation to make better lives for themselves and their families.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:43:41pm |
What you really want to do is make everybody feel privileged. Those without traditional opportunity should have access to their potential including educational contributions. We all should have access to higher education at a reasonable cost.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:45:47pm |
re: #126 Interesting Times
Due to the GOP gov’t of the day following in the proud footsteps of their Texas brethren and banning critical thinking, they’ll just blame it on gay marriage.
The claim is that the claim of the classes to “promote critical thinking” is untrue, not that critical thinking is itself bad.
/Wingnuts are crazy, but I feel the position should be correctly stated.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:47:23pm |
Please wait while Flash almost crashes and Firefox does nothing for several minutes.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:50:32pm |
The other aspect is Dana Perino was essentially assuming that blacks are privileged — advantaged [sic] - in a college environment. That’s another fallacy. That’s not a determining marker.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:51:07pm |
re: #132 Gus
Please wait while Flash almost crashes and Firefox does nothing for several minutes.
this last Falsh update has been an EPIC FAIL. The previous version worked very well, but the current POS can’t go a day without a crash.
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Mich-again Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:52:03pm |
re: #129 Gus
What you really want to do is make everybody feel privileged. Those without traditional opportunity should have access to their potential including educational contributions. We all should have access to higher education at a reasonable cost.
To me the most ironic part of it all is that Mitt’s own campaign website bemoans how America needs more scientists and engineers so to alleviate the shortage he wants to open up more legal immigration for educated people. But nowhere in that same campaign website does he put forth any strategy for making higher education more affordable for American students. Its as if the GOP thinks the USA is devoid of opportunities for university level technical education so we need to outsource education to other countries and then convince their graduates to come here to live. I think this might be the most cynical part of the GOP platform.
F* all those Pell grants and Student loans, we just need to import more smart people.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:52:13pm |
re: #134 Dark_Falcon
this last Falsh update has been an EPIC FAIL. The previous version worked very well, but the current POS can’t go a day without a crash.
Oh yeah. Ir’s running this big FlashPlayerPlugin*exe process now.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:52:49pm |
re: #135 Mich-again
To me the most ironic part of it all is that Mitt’s own campaign website bemoans how America needs more scientists and engineers so to alleviate the shortage he wants to open up more legal immigration for educated people. But nowhere in that same campaign website does he put forth any strategy for making higher education more affordable for American students. Its as if the GOP thinks the USA is devoid of opportunities for university level technical education so we need to outsource education to other countries and then convince their graduates to come here to live. I think this might be the most cynical part of the GOP platform.
F* all those Pell grants and Student loans, we just need to import more smart people.
I think there should be free college available.
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jaunte Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:53:43pm |
Texas GOP platform:
Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.
Texas A&M University Writing Center:
Critical thinking is, simply put, careful, skeptical, and conscious thinking; it is the sort of thinking, guided by logic and method, that academics value. Critical thinking is also the ability to view any object of study from multiple perspectives, to recognize the cultural, ideological, and cognitive frames (or schemata) we bring to understanding. While the value of critical thinking to scholarship is hardly new, only recently have we understood that critical thinking is in itself a habit and a skill, something which, like the writing process, many of our students may have to learn and practice.
[Link: writingcenter.tamu.edu…]
The Texas GOP is cultivating ignorance.
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Mich-again Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:55:50pm |
re: #137 Gus
I think there should be free college available.
Great idea. But it can’t happen if the GOP is hell bent for anti-science. Which they are. How long till the GOP starts to pressure Universities to promote creationism, anti-vax, and climate denial as a prerequisite for State aid to universities.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:56:44pm |
re: #127 Gus
Let’s say we accept that becoming a “top earner” is the ideal. There’s no doubt that a NA aboriginal would have a more difficult time statistically in becoming a top earner. How do we propose fixing this? Do we fix it by telling white people that they’re privileged? That’s the answer? Or is the answer education, outreach, opportunity, a reformed judicial system, scholarships, mentoring, etc? To help them form an education foundation to make better lives for themselves and their families.
Part of it is social modification through the steps you mentioned, including getting the privileged to realize how the system as it stands, how the laws are enforced, the attitudes of the law makers, even the language itself perpetuates the ideas that some groups are fundamentally less deserving of respect than white males.
Getting people to understand how the system is biased isn’t equivalent to castigating white males, or any other group for that matter, and that reality has been lost on both sides, one through the frustration of witnessing pushback and the other reacting emotionally with nothing but pushback.
As an example, my wife is First Nations, meaning she’s a NA aboriginal, who started out with 10 siblings. Of those 11 siblings, only 2 have gone past their initial starting point, my wife and one of her brothers who works as an entertainer in Hawaii.
She was taken from her alcoholic parents at the age of 6 along with her sister. They were bounced from one foster home to another until they took off when my wife was 15 and her sister was 13.
Her sister died of a drug overdose while working the sex trade in Vancouver, two of her brothers are alcoholics, one is in jail, one other is in Hawaii and the rest disappeared.
No higher education would have helped them, because of the environment they were stuck in. Change has to be two pronged, society as a whole has to have its attitude adjusted, and the people on the bottom have to have a helping hand up those first few rungs of the ladder.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:57:32pm |
re: #129 Gus
What you really want to do is make everybody feel privileged. Those without traditional opportunity should have access to their potential including educational contributions. We all should have access to higher education at a reasonable cost.
That’s a good start.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:59:16pm |
re: #107 jaunte
Appeals court to EPA: You just keep on regulating greenhouse gas:
[Link: grist.org…]
Jesus Christ that WSJ article is teeming with wingnut deniers. That paper is a toilet.
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Mich-again Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:59:21pm |
re: #138 jaunte
The GOP has a recurring nightmare that young people will one day be able to think for themselves, analyze data objectively, understand the scientific process, and see the big picture.
The GOP needs ignorance of science and hate for the other to thrive in order for their agenda to keep moving forward.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:59:21pm |
re: #139 Mich-again
Great idea. But it can’t happen if the GOP is hell bent for anti-science. Which they are. How long till the GOP starts to pressure Universities to promote creationism, anti-vax, and climate denial as a prerequisite for State aid to universities.
I would honestly prefer if rational conservatives rescued their movement.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:59:32pm |
re: #131 Dark_Falcon
The claim is that the claim of the classes to “promote critical thinking” is untrue, not that critical thinking is itself bad.
/Wingnuts are crazy, but I feel the position should be correctly stated.
Critical thinking is bad because it draws kids away from traditional belief systems. It says exactly that although in different words.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:59:40pm |
re: #144 Gus
I would honestly prefer if rational conservatives rescued their movement.
It’s a 1,000 year dream. ;)
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Interesting Times Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:00:08pm |
re: #131 Dark_Falcon
The claim is that the claim of the classes to “promote critical thinking” is untrue, not that critical thinking is itself bad.
Uh, whut?
We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.
Your argument makes no sense. It’s like saying “we don’t think math is itself bad, but don’t you dare teach our precious children that two plus two equals four!!11!”
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:00:21pm |
re: #132 Gus
Please wait while Flash almost crashes and Firefox does nothing for several minutes.
It’s not doing nothing, its consuming several megabytes of memory. :)
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:00:45pm |
I don’t get it. A lot of right winger are great engineers, rocket scientists, inventors, etc.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:00:50pm |
re: #137 Gus
I think there should be free college available.
Galt wants only the rich to have educations.
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Mich-again Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:03:21pm |
re: #144 Gus
I would honestly prefer if rational conservatives rescued their movement.
Well I used to be one, and I realized it is a losing battle so I gave up. The GOP is pure anti-rational. A scientist gathers data then formulates a conclusion. A conservative starts at the conclusion and then cherry picks data to support it.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:04:19pm |
re: #151 Mich-again
Well I used to be one, and I realized it is a losing battle so I gave up. The GOP is pure anti-rational. A scientist gathers data then formulates a conclusion. A conservative starts at the conclusion and then cherry picks data to support it.
But it doesn’t have to be that way. Boot out the TPers.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:05:26pm |
re: #152 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
But it doesn’t have to be that way. Boot out the TPers.
Boot out the TPers, the glibertarians, the Randites, the Paulians, and the theocrats, and you won’t have much of a GOP left.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:07:24pm |
re: #153 Obdicut
Boot out the TPers, the glibertarians, the Randites, the Paulians, and the theocrats, and you won’t have much of a GOP left.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:08:40pm |
re: #138 jaunte
The Texas GOP is cultivating ignorance.
Like many fungi, ignorance is best cultivated in the dark.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:09:38pm |
I didn’t give her the contraception prescription because it’s against my religion.
No you didn’t. You didn’t give her the contraception scrip because you’re a dick.
End PSA.
Brought to you by the atheists for decent religions association of North America.
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Mich-again Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:10:08pm |
re: #152 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
But it doesn’t have to be that way. Boot out the TPers.
Any RINOS’s who do not pass the true conservative litmus test are not qualified to criticize conservatism. Thats how it works.
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jaunte Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:11:37pm |
PZ Myers:
Oh, boy — Bobby Jindal’s new program to open up state funds to support all kinds of random nonsense in schools is going to have some interesting (that is, horrifying) effects. They are going to be throwing money at A Beka Books and Bob Jones University texts, and Accelerated Christian Education. What kinds of things will Louisiana kids be learning?
[Link: scienceblogs.com…]
Only ten percent of Africans can read or write, because Christian mission schools have been shut down by communists.
“the [Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross… In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians.”
“God used the ‘Trail of Tears’ to bring many Indians to Christ.”
It “cannot be shown scientifically that that man
made pollutants will one day drastically reduce the depth of the atmosphere’s ozone layer.”“God has provided certain ‘checks and balances’ in creation to prevent many of the global upsets that have been predicted by environmentalists.”
the Great Depression was exaggerated by propagandists, including John Steinbeck, to advance a socialist agenda.
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The Force Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:12:11pm |
re: #153 Obdicut
Boot out the TPers, the glibertarians, the Randites, the Paulians, and the theocrats, and you won’t have much of a GOP left.
You’ve gotten rid of the true believers that detest critical thinking. You’ll still have to deal with the opportunistic types that view widespread critical thinking as disadvantageous and thus not to be encouraged.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:14:54pm |
re: #159 The Ghost of a Flea
You’ve gotten rid of the true believers that detest critical thinking. You’ll still have to deal with the opportunistic types that view widespread critical thinking as disadvantageous and thus not to be encouraged.
Every political party has a notable number of those last. Opportunists have been, are, and always will be a major force in politics.
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jaunte Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:17:20pm |
the Great Depression was exaggerated by propagandists, including John Steinbeck, to advance a socialist agenda.
Shock! Both my granddads were in on it, pretending they had to lose their small businesses!
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:17:58pm |
re: #131 Dark_Falcon
The claim is that the claim of the classes to “promote critical thinking” is untrue, not that critical thinking is itself bad.
/Wingnuts are crazy, but I feel the position should be correctly stated.
Can you walk us through this one, because what you’re saying seems antithetical to reality.
We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.
Nowhere do they claim that the classes don’t teach critical thinking skills. They’re clearly claiming that teaching based on outcomes and mastery of the information is bad if it runs counter to fixed beliefs as instilled by parents. Since in this thread you’ve basically admitted that your daddy tells you what to think it’s kind of unsurprising to see you failing such a basic test of reading comprehension and/or misrepresenting the contents.
re: #161 Dark_Falcon
Every political party has a notable number of those last. Opportunists have been, are, and always will be a major force in politics.
And right on time we have a bland slice of both sides are equally bad. This is getting more than a little bit sad.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:18:45pm |
Here’s a layout for God and science. It’s pretty simple. God created scientists. He/She has left them in your hands for his/her guidance in scientific matters. Everything they present and theorize has my approval since they’re still my children. Heed their expertise. Back in a billion years.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:19:55pm |
God created climate change science and scientists. Their word is the word of God. ;)
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Mich-again Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:24:54pm |
re: #164 Gus
I’ve written before on this subject.. What you are pointing out is precisely what St. Thomas Aquinas said about the interaction of Faith and Reason way back in the 13th century before there were printing presses or the internet. He said that faith and reason are part of the same truth so they must agree with each other.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:25:56pm |
re: #168 Mich-again
I’ve written before on this subject.. What you are pointing out is precisely what St. Thomas Aquinas said about the interaction of Faith and Reason way back in the 13th century before there were printing presses or the internet. He said that faith and reason are part of the same truth so they must agree with each other.
Logically speaking I think they would have to.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:27:03pm |
re: #164 Gus
Here’s a layout for God and science. It’s pretty simple. God created scientists. He/She has left them in your hands for his/her guidance in scientific matters. Everything they present and theorize has my approval since they’re still my children. Heed their expertise. Back in a billion years.
The scientific method as we know it was first experimented with by Muslim scholars and then later by people like Descartes, Bacon and Newton. It was a way of limiting errors from ‘common sense’ assumptions.
The Greeks did lay down a kickass foundation for it.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:28:08pm |
re: #171 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
The scientific method as we know it was first experimented with by Muslim scholars and then later by people like Descartes, Bacon and Newton. It was a way of limiting errors from ‘common sense’ assumptions.
The Greeks did lay down a kickass foundation for it.
Ah, so it’s a Muslim and liberal concept. Much of the GOP platform is thus explained.
/
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:29:40pm |
re: #171 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
The scientific method as we know it was first experimented with by Muslim scholars and then later by people like Descartes, Bacon and Newton. It was a way of limiting errors from ‘common sense’ assumptions.
The Greeks did lay down a kickass foundation for it.
Yes. I try and look for the atheistic aspects of religion. You can call it secular aspects. You simply can’t avoid religion.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:30:42pm |
RT, a “news” company controlled by the Russian government, has been growing in popularity among the fringe crowd, and they have even been finding some fertile ground in the far-right segment of American discourse, and with headlines and stories like the following I wonder if RT is trying to build readership from Fox and such:
Federal task force wants obese Americans placed into counseling
If you’re a US citizen, there’s a one-in-three chance that you’re also obese. Now after failed attempt after failed attempt at slimming down citizens, a federal panel is pushing to force overweight Americans into counseling.
[…]
DEATH FAT PANELS!!
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:31:48pm |
re: #174 freetoken
RT, a “news” company controlled by the Russian government, has been growing in popularity among the fringe crowd, and they have even been finding some fertile ground in the far-right segment of American discourse, and with headlines and stories like the following I wonder if RT is trying to build readership from Fox and such:
Federal task force wants obese Americans placed into counseling
DEATHFAT PANELS!!
To be followed by the soap factories. But we don’t talk about that due to Rule 1.
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Mich-again Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:32:30pm |
re: #169 Gus
Logically speaking I think they would have to.
Today’s GOP would say, your science disagrees with my faith so it must be wrong, period. Take it away. Aquinas was more sophisticated than that. He knew that supernatural knowledge had to coincide with natural knowledge or it became a joke.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:33:19pm |
re: #176 Mich-again
Today’s GOP would say, your science disagrees with my faith so it must be wrong, period. Take it away. Aquinas was more sophisticated than that. He knew that supernatural knowledge had to coincide with natural knowledge or it became a joke.
Theirs is not faith. It is a rant from a “religious” blog.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:33:41pm |
re: #175 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
To be followed by the soap factories. But we don’t talk about that due to Rule 1.
Russia Today…
L-O-L
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:36:33pm |
re: #176 Mich-again
Today’s GOP would say, your science disagrees with my faith so it must be wrong, period. Take it away. Aquinas was more sophisticated than that. He knew that supernatural knowledge had to coincide with natural knowledge or it became a joke.
Literalism is a fairly recent belief system in western cultures.
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Mich-again Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:37:50pm |
But then Aquinas also recommended that heretics be put to death and I’m not down with that one bit..
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:39:25pm |
re: #180 Mich-again
But then Aquinas also recommended that heretics be put to death and I’m not down with that one bit..
Aquinas was very bright but he was a product of his time.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:41:19pm |
re: #181 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
Aquinas was very bright but he was a product of his time.
Like Mark Twain.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:42:01pm |
Tea Partiers still going strong in Oklahoma:
Oklahoma: John Sullivan Loses Primary in Surprise Upset
Rep. John Sullivan unexpectedly lost the GOP primary Tuesday night to U.S. Navy Reserve Pilot Jim Bridenstine, a political newcomer who has tea party support.
The five-term Congressman trailed Bridenstine 46 percent to 54 percent, with 94 percent of precincts reporting at 12:30 a.m., when the Associated Press called the race. Sullivan, who was first elected to Congress in a 2002 special election, vastly outspent his challenger, the former executive director of the Tulsa Air and Space Museum.
During the campaign, Bridenstine attacked Sullivan as an out-of-touch politician and for his lackluster attendance record in Congress, saying he missed 9 percent of votes, according to local reports. Sullivan acknowledged he has missed votes because of his battle with alcoholism, for which he checked himself into a rehabilitation center in 2009.
[…]
Bridenstine’s website:
Republican Patriot For US Congress
So right up front we know he is a Patriot!!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:42:46pm |
A dear friends Mom passed away today. I am trying, but cannot find the words to comfort him. Makes all this political BS get a different perspective, KWIM??
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:43:44pm |
re: #184 freetoken
Ban gays; genetic seeds; vaccines; Agenda 21; environmentalism; Judeo-Christian; pornography; dot; dot; dot.
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:44:20pm |
re: #185 Dancing along the light of day
A dear friends Mom passed away today. I am trying, but cannot find the words to comfort him. Makes all this political PS get a different perspective, KWIM??
We were lucky to have had her.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:44:26pm |
Hiya Lizards! About 15 min till midnight..Man That was one hell of a Monday.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:45:38pm |
re: #185 Dancing along the light of day
A dear friends Mom passed away today. I am trying, but cannot find the words to comfort him. Makes all this political PS get a different perspective, KWIM??
Sorry to hear that FG. It’s always tough to find the right words so don’t worry about what you say, just be available when your friend needs you.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:46:36pm |
re: #188 Digital Display
Hiya Lizards! About 15 min till midnight..Man That was one hell of a Monday.
Umm, today was Tuesday, HH.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:48:07pm |
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:48:21pm |
re: #188 Digital Display
Hiya Lizards! About 15 min till midnight..Man That was one hell of a Monday.
I see you survived.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:50:48pm |
re: #190 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
Umm, today was Tuesday, HH.
And the really odd thing is he wasn’t even talking about this past Monday, but rather one back in February
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:51:21pm |
re: #185 Dancing along the light of day
A dear friends Mom passed away today. I am trying, but cannot find the words to comfort him. Makes all this political PS get a different perspective, KWIM??
Hi You.. When my mom passed away it was like a blur.. I can’t remember all the words said by whom.. I remember the support and love… I remember the faces..Old buddies of mine from high school sitting there with tears in their eyes..I recall the pain in those faces.. My dad was lost and devastated.
I wanted to take the pain away.. I wanted to protect Nikki but could not.. She was devastated. There are no words to say…Just love and support.
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b_sharp Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:51:50pm |
re: #194 sattv4u2
And the really odd thing is he wasn’t even talking about this past Monday, but rather one back in February
That was one hell of a black out.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:52:47pm |
re: #195 Digital Display
That is what I am trying to get him to listen to, just love.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:52:55pm |
re: #190 Surreptitious Stealth Troll
Umm, today was Tuesday, HH.
Oh Dear Lord..It was Tuesday…Busy at work…Dang..
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:53:55pm |
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 9:58:17pm |
Christian group backs away from ex-gay therapy
The president of the country’s best-known Christian ministry dedicated to helping people repress same-sex attraction through prayer is trying to distance the group from the idea that gay people’s sexual orientation can be permanently changed or “cured.”
That’s a significant shift for Exodus International, the 36-year-old Orlando-based group that boasts 260 member ministries around the U.S. and world. For decades, it has offered to help conflicted Christians rid themselves of unwanted homosexual inclinations through counseling and prayer, infuriating gay rights activists in the process.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:06:48pm |
Oh look… there’s going to be another “Jesus” film… but this one is going to be a bit different:
The Paul Verhoeven Jesus Film is to go ahead
[…]
Roger Avary is to script the film and already there are some preparing for a fight, not least because it may feature the line that Mary was raped by the Roman soldier Panthera, a story that features in Verhoeven’s book and which is derived from Origen’s quotation of Celsus in Contra Celsum. (Celsus was a pagan critic of Christianity writing in the mid second century whose work the third century Origen is refuting). Mike Fleming writes in Deadline:
Verhoeven’s take on the life of Jesus Christ discounts all the miracles that inform the New Testament. That includes the virgin birth and the resurrection. Verhoeven doesn’t believe any of them happened. I wrote about Verhoeven’s ambitions in spring 2011, as he and his reps at ICM first tried to find funding — no small feat given some of the theories he put forth in the book.The most controversial: that Jesus might have been the product of his mother being raped by a Roman soldier, which Verhoeven said was commonplace at the time, and that Jesus was a radical prophet who performed exorcisms and was convinced he would find the kingdom of Heaven on earth, and did not know he would be sentenced to die on the cross by Pontius Pilate.
There’s no doubt that it would be controversial to put this particular tradition in the film. I still remember Christians picketing cinema’s when Scorsese’s Last Temptation of Christ came out in 1987 because it depicted Jesus hallucinating about having sex with Mary Magdalene ( a scene most of the critics misunderstood).
I remember the BBC getting into hot water for even reporting the Roman soldier tradition in a documentary called The Virgin Mary that I was on in 2002 (see further Mary). The difficulty is that the vast majority of Christians have not heard about this piece of gossip that goes back at least to the second century and possibly also to the first.
[…]
Assuming this film will indeed be made and released, we can readily imagine the outcry that will occur. There will be howls.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:10:19pm |
re: #204 freetoken
And, no loquats for them!
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:11:00pm |
Well.. I’d better grab some shut eye..It’s very busy at work…
Kind regards Lizards…
As I drift off to the world of dreams and mists of the dark…
Every day is one day closer to going home..
I leave you with this..Home.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:16:45pm |
re: #204 freetoken
Oh look… there’s going to be another “Jesus” film… but this one is going to be a bit different:
The Paul Verhoeven Jesus Film is to go ahead
There’s no doubt that it would be controversial to put this particular tradition in the film. I still remember Christians picketing cinema’s when Scorsese’s Last Temptation of Christ came out in 1987 because it depicted Jesus hallucinating about having sex with Mary Magdalene ( a scene most of the critics misunderstood).
I remember the BBC getting into hot water for even reporting the Roman soldier tradition in a documentary called The Virgin Mary that I was on in 2002 (see further Mary). The difficulty is that the vast majority of Christians have not heard about this piece of gossip that goes back at least to the second century and possibly also to the first.
[…]
Assuming this film will indeed be made and released, we can readily imagine the outcry that will occur. There will be howls.
And it end with Jesus resurrecting as RoboCop IV. I’m sure Verhoeven will also be totally aghast at all the free publicity he will get.
/
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freetoken Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:19:40pm |
re: #205 Dancing along the light of day
And, no loquats for them!
Nor for me… the season is long gone. Plenty of new growth on trees all over the place, so there is always next year, but I’m seeing lots of poor tree trimming (e.g., cutting off of growth that will bear the most fruit.)
The Breba crop of figs is in though, and tasting good.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:28:29pm |
re: #207 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
And it end with Jesus resurrecting as RoboCop IV. I’m sure Verhoeven will also be totally aghast at all the free publicity he will get.
/
Part Savior, Part Machine… All cop.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:33:53pm |
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Gus Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:35:01pm |
re: #212 freetoken
1968. It was a decent year for American pop music.
[Embedded content]
I know the way to San Jose. Copy.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:42:26pm |
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Kragar Tue, Jun 26, 2012 11:32:57pm |
And here is a little something from from 1990…
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EdDantes Tue, Jun 26, 2012 11:57:39pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 12:01:44am |
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EdDantes Wed, Jun 27, 2012 12:09:22am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 12:10:38am |
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EdDantes Wed, Jun 27, 2012 12:36:23am |
re: #219 Expand Your Ground
Might bump into Dwight…
It is ironic that I now live in a town that is largely populated by Okies or their offspring. My parents left the Oklahoma dust bowl and settled in Berkley, ca. Merle Haggard was born in Oildale (a suburb of bakersfield), son of Okies. Buck Owens was born in Texas but settled in Bakersfield.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 12:39:20am |
They created their own sub-genre of country music, for which I am eternally thankful.
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EdDantes Wed, Jun 27, 2012 12:42:12am |
re: #221 Expand Your Ground
They created their own sub-genre of country music, for which I am eternally thankful.
Yup. The Bakersfield sound is correct. I grew up on it.
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EdDantes Wed, Jun 27, 2012 12:49:51am |
Here is a great example of the Bakersfield sound.
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EdDantes Wed, Jun 27, 2012 12:59:07am |
re: #223 EdDantes
Last line of the song, ” That leaves only me to blame ‘cause Mama tried.” Taking responsibility. America needs more of that.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 12:59:47am |
In honor of the 6th Edition 40k rules coming out, I present this brief background:
The Imperium of Man is the galactic empire under which the majority of humanity is united. The founder and ruler of the Imperium is the god-like Emperor, the most powerful human psychic to date. Founding the Imperium ten thousand years ago, he continues, at least nominally, to lead it.
The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbour by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control.
Several aliens and forces (the forces of Chaos, Tyranids, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Orks, Tau, Necrons) challenge the supremacy of the Imperium. From within, the Imperium is threatened more insidiously by rebellion, mutation, dangerous psykers, and subversive cults.
Without the protection of the Imperium, mankind would fall prey to the countless perils that threaten it.
The Horus Heresy was the first and most devastating civil war in Imperial history. Occurring in M31 and lasting less than a decade, it divided and nearly destroyed the fledgling Imperium. It marked the end of the Great Crusade and the encasing of the Emperor of Mankind into the Golden Throne.2
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EdDantes Wed, Jun 27, 2012 1:02:37am |
re: #225 Kragar
In honor of the 6th Edition 40k rules coming out, I present this brief background:
Fuck! Where do I sign up? I wanna be on the winning side!
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 1:09:17am |
re: #226 EdDantes
Fuck! Where do I sign up? I wanna be on the winning side!
The Imperial Guard always needs men.
The Imperial Guard is the primary fighting force of the Imperium, so numerous in size that even the Departmento Munitorum cannot place a figure on the number of Guardsmen under arms at any one time; the daily lists of new recruits and toll of casualties can run into the millions in a single day. It would be infeasible trying to put any exact number on the strength of the Guard; however, it is believed that there must be many billions of Imperial Guardsmen, divided into millions of regiments. This absolute numeracy provides the Guard with its main power; their ability to deploy in numbers that, eventually, result in victory. Attacking in seemingly endless influxes across battle-zones, charging forth under the cover of massive barrages and delivering massed lasgun volleys, in the Guard the individual Human soldier may appear a lost thing, almost forgotten. Yet the actions of these anonymous soldiers daily decide the fate of worlds.1
The Guard forms the very backbone of the Imperium; without it, Mankind would surely perish. Whilst Guardsmen are hardly the equals of Space Marines, fighting neither with the advantages of genetic enhancement or the most powerful personal weaponry, the Guard possesses the courage and the manpower to face and annihilate the enemies of the Emperor across the galaxy.2a
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 1:15:40am |
guys, they got gaming blogs galore
So how about them Cubs?
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 1:17:22am |
re: #229 Expand Your Ground
guys, they got gaming blogs galore
So how about them Cubs?
They got sports blogs for that.
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EdDantes Wed, Jun 27, 2012 1:28:39am |
re: #228 Kragar
Perfect! I was a cadet in the Civil Air Patrol. I once talked a classmate out of being evil. I made speeches regarding being loyal to a cause. I kicked a space marines ass. I led a charge against an inferior force and won. I talked a friend in to standing up to a bully and he got his ass kicked. I blazed a trail in a swamp and ate an alligator, and boy was he pissed!
Oh, and I made a Sasquatch cry while making a UFO return to Alpha Centauri (that’s where they’re from) and hiding a Capo who who knows where Jimmy Hoffa is living but won’t tell. My wife not only loves me but is afraid of me. Sir!
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 1:45:48am |
see, you even put yerself to sleep with stuff like that…
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 2:42:31am |
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freetoken Wed, Jun 27, 2012 2:58:47am |
Some more Ligeti, from his String Quartet no. 1:
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 4:27:57am |
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Flounder Wed, Jun 27, 2012 4:31:42am |
So unoriginal, they just copied this from a solid redneck design:
[Link: www.nypost.com…]
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Flounder Wed, Jun 27, 2012 4:41:38am |
Low-carb diets work
[Link: www.usatoday.com…]
Just don’t go hog-wild on the pro-t-in.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 4:44:35am |
re: #240 Tommy’s cone of shame
So unoriginal, they just copied this from a solid redneck design:
[Link: www.nypost.com…]
Hold my beer, I think this will work!
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Flounder Wed, Jun 27, 2012 4:59:54am |
Health care reform will pass muster with the Supreme court, John Roberts will be the author of the opinion.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
This goes with the logic that Roberts sided with the majority on the Arizona decision, so it wouldn’t go back to the Ninth circuit.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 27, 2012 5:13:14am |
re: #53 engineer cat
i don’t count getting rid of the draft as an unalloyed Good Thing
(snip)
it was as if people making the decisions in government and the soldiers belonged to two completely different classes
The older I get, the worse the all volunteer military looks. There needs, a believe, to be a draft with out deferments or exemptions. Everyone does their two years because then everyone, rich & poor, senator’s daughter & maid’s son has an equal investment in their nation and it’s future.
BRB
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 27, 2012 5:19:49am |
re: #244 William Barnett-Lewis
With plenty of carved-out exceptions for conscientious objectors to serve in another fashion, I’d agree. But even with that system, there’d still be politicized jockeying, rick men getting their sons and daughters into REM units, as we saw with the National Guard and Vietnam.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 27, 2012 5:21:49am |
re: #244 William Barnett-Lewis
The older I get, the worse the all volunteer military looks. There needs, a believe, to be a draft with out deferments or exemptions. Everyone does their two years because then everyone, rich & poor, senator’s daughter & maid’s son has an equal investment in their nation and it’s future.
BRB
This. I’d allow longer term of service in a non-DoD agency like the NCCC, but then I’d be builiding Obama’s Secret Army.
[Link: www.americorps.gov…]
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 27, 2012 5:50:44am |
re: #245 Obdicut
With plenty of carved-out exceptions for conscientious objectors to serve in another fashion, I’d agree. But even with that system, there’d still be politicized jockeying, rick men getting their sons and daughters into REM units, as we saw with the National Guard and Vietnam.
CO’s don’t get an exemption, as such, to my mind, by being allowed to serve elsewhere - they need to do their two years as well. The other problem is harder but not something that can’t be solved I believe.
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Flounder Wed, Jun 27, 2012 5:51:31am |
Cuteness!
[Link: cnsnews.com…]
I hope the horse is house trained, or at least wears diapers!
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kirkspencer Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:06:45am |
re: #225 Kragar
In honor of the 6th Edition 40k rules coming out, I present this brief background:
Wonder how many figs they’ll disallow this time.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:12:15am |
re: #247 William Barnett-Lewis
CO’s don’t get an exemption, as such, to my mind, by being allowed to serve elsewhere - they need to do their two years as well. The other problem is harder but not something that can’t be solved I believe.
Starting to sound like Starship Troopers: you don’t have to serve, but if you don’t, you don’t get to vote…
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:16:42am |
re: #249 kirkspencer
Wonder how many figs they’ll disallow this time.
Depends on how many more they need to sell. But if you already have an investment in books & figs, why would you feel the need for the new edition?
I’m willing to buy into a new edition of Traveller on Kickstarter even though I’ll never play it (I have enough versions that I use ;) but that’s because it’s Marc Miller’s retirement fund, really. But Games Workshop? They’re almost as bad as White Wolf or Wizards for unneeded new editions.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:19:14am |
re: #250 Expand Your Ground
Starting to sound like Starship Troopers: you don’t have to serve, but if you don’t, you don’t get to vote…
Why is that worse than a culture where the rich get to own the ability to call for a war and only the poor have to fight it? If that Senator’s daughter is about to carry a rifle for two years he might be a wee bit more careful about the why of a war.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:22:30am |
re: #252 William Barnett-Lewis
Why is that worse than a culture where the rich get to own the ability to call for a war and only the poor have to fight it? If that Senator’s daughter is about to carry a rifle for two years he might be a wee bit more careful about the why of a war.
Those who get to make the decisions for the country should demonstrate that they are willing to make the concommitant sacrifices. Used to be the way with kings: they risked their lives (or at least their personal fortunes) in battle.
We see what happens when we separate privelege from responsibility, just like with CEO’s who trash entire industries and walk away with fat severance packages.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:24:44am |
[Link: www.latimes.com…]
Interesting article from the LA Times about the Hispanic vote. I’ve drawn similar conclusions. Bush was able to beat Kerry and Gore by cutting into the traditionally Democratic leaning Hispanic vote. So it seems while Romney’s pander to the right on immigration may have won him the primary, it may end up hurting him in the long run. Read another story that has Obama ahead 56-32 among Latino voters in Florida and that’s with the Cuban American bloc which famously support Republicans. Romney has only himself to blame.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:27:06am |
re: #252 William Barnett-Lewis
If that Senator’s daughter is about to carry a rifle for two years he might be a wee bit more careful about the why of a war.
iirc, there are quiet a few children of people serving in congress (and higher) that are on active duty
Biden I think
McCain
Duncan Hunter, James Webb, Joe Wilson amongst others
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:30:16am |
re: #255 sattv4u2
If that Senator’s daughter is about to carry a rifle for two years he might be a wee bit more careful about the why of a war.iirc, there are quiet a few children of people serving in congress (and higher) that are on active duty
Biden I think
McCain
Duncan Hunter, James Webb, Joe Wilson amongst others
MBT (magical balance trooper) kicks in:
for every one of them there is a George Bush, Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney or the son of Floyd Bentsen (Quayle’s opponent for VP with Mondale)
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:30:35am |
re: #255 sattv4u2
If that Senator’s daughter is about to carry a rifle for two years he might be a wee bit more careful about the why of a war.iirc, there are quiet a few children of people serving in congress (and higher) that are on active duty
Biden I think
McCain
Duncan Hunter, James Webb, Joe Wilson amongst others
Not too many out of 535 representatives & senators. I think the nation would be better off if it were a far higher percentage.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:37:09am |
re: #257 William Barnett-Lewis
Not too many out of 535 representatives & senators. I think the nation would be better off if it were a far higher percentage.
Maybe, but what percentage of the citizenry has a child serving? If those in congress have about the same percentage I don’t see it as an issue UNLESS you bring about your mandatory idea and you see the elected officials pull strings that others can’t
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:38:35am |
re: #256 Expand Your Ground
MBT (magical balance trooper) kicks in:
for every one of them there is a George Bush, Dan Quayle, or the son of Floyd Bentsen (Quayle’s opponent for VP with Mondale)
No MBT at all if the percentages of children serving are about the same as the general population
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darthstar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:40:15am |
Mornin’ everyone…apparently, President Obama congratulated the “Miami Heats” on their championship. There goes Florida, Ohio, and California to the Romney side…
@BuzzFeedAndrew I just think it’s cute how desperate GOP is to find something…anything…OMGHEENDEDASENTENCEWITHAPREPOSITION!— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) June 27, 2012
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darthstar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:41:20am |
As Colorado Springs burns, it must give them peace of mind that they laid off firefighters for slightly lower taxes. bit.ly/aEEdco— Willard Mitt Romney (@MlTTR0MNEY) June 27, 2012
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:42:03am |
It shows that Obama is “out of touch” with America. Which is not the case with Romney, some of his best friends are NBA team owners…
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darthstar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:49:16am |
Odor in the court!
(url is /man-threatens-neighbor-gun-farting-front-home-article-1.1103043)
[Link: www.nydailynews.com…]
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:49:54am |
re: #260 darthstar
Yet, it might help him win Ohio. /pissed off Cavs fans.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:51:33am |
Ha!
Trump says he is holding a 50K fundraiser for Mitt Romney Thursday, the Romney campaign says he is not. politico.com/blogs/burns-ha…— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) June 27, 2012
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:51:48am |
Heh the worst sportsgag I ever saw was when the Democrat who ran against Scott Brown two years ago asked if Curt Schilling was a Yankees fan. Not that these things should matter in elections but it was funny even if Schilling is a jerk.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:52:55am |
re: #266 darthstar
Ha!
[Embedded content]
This is like asking Pinnochio or the Boy Who Cried Wolf what happened. Both these guys aren’t exactly trustworthy.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 6:55:59am |
Economic experts (left and right) polled on tax cuts.
[Link: p.twimg.com…]
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:04:46am |
re: #267 HappyWarrior
Heh the worst sportsgag I ever saw was when the Democrat who ran against Scott Brown two years ago asked if Curt Schilling was a Yankees fan. Not that these things should matter in elections but it was funny even if Schilling is a jerk.
Worst. Campaign. Ever.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:05:59am |
Okay…gotta run the dogs, head up to the city for a job interview, then watch Lincecum take on the Dodgers.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:09:58am |
re: #270 iossarian
Worst. Campaign. Ever.
You never saw Creigh Deeds’ governor campaign down here in Va the year before. Felt bad because Creigh’s a good dude and would be much better than MCDonnell as governor but he did everything wrong. I’m sure you have the same feelings about Coakley versus Brown too though.
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:13:25am |
re: #272 HappyWarrior
You never saw Creigh Deeds’ governor campaign down here in Va the year before. Felt bad because Creigh’s a good dude and would be much better than MCDonnell as governor but he did everything wrong. I’m sure you have the same feelings about Coakley versus Brown too though.
For me, it’s the combination of national relevance and not just incompetence, but seemingly willful attempts to piss off voters that puts it in the #1 spot.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:31:56am |
re: #273 iossarian
For me, it’s the combination of national relevance and not just incompetence, but seemingly willful attempts to piss off voters that puts it in the #1 spot.
Yeah I see, Deeds was just incompetent which was made worse by the fact his opponent ran a good campaign.
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:43:09am |
There’s trouble a-brewin’ in Republicantown…
Ron Paul supporters are known for the refusal to give up and the GOP has taken note. Now, 17 Ron Paul delegates were disqualified from representing the state of Massachusetts for not signing an affidavit that swears their allegiance to Mitt Romney. In the past, the Republican Party has never required delegates to go through the affidavit process.
Heh heh heh…. This is gonna be good.
How is everyone this morning?
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simoom Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:46:03am |
CNN/Fortune releases the results of their investigation into F&F on the eve of Issa’s contempt vote:
[Link: features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com…]
The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal
A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.
…
Quite simply, there’s a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.
Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.
How Fast and Furious reached the headlines is a strange and unsettling saga, one that reveals a lot about politics and media today. It’s a story that starts with a grudge, specifically Dodson’s anger at Voth. After the terrible murder of agent Terry, Dodson made complaints that were then amplified, first by right-wing bloggers, then by CBS. Rep. Issa and other politicians then seized those elements to score points against the Obama administration, which, for its part, has capitulated in an apparent effort to avoid a rhetorical battle over gun control in the run-up to the presidential election. (A Justice Department spokesperson denies this and asserts that the department is not drawing conclusions until the inspector general’s report is submitted.)
“Republican senators are whipping up the country into a psychotic frenzy with these reports that are patently false,” says Linda Wallace, a special agent with the Internal Revenue Service’s criminal investigation unit who was assigned to the Fast and Furious team (and recently retired from the IRS). A self-described gun-rights supporter, Wallace has not been criticized by Issa’s committee.
The ATF’s accusers seem untroubled by evidence that the policy they have pilloried didn’t actually exist.
…
Irony abounds when it comes to the Fast and Furious scandal. But the ultimate irony is this: Republicans who support the National Rifle Association and its attempts to weaken gun laws are lambasting ATF agents for not seizing enough weapons—ones that, in this case, prosecutors deemed to be legal.
…
Issa’s claim that the ATF is using the Fast and Furious scandal to limit gun rights seems, to put it charitably, far-fetched. Meanwhile, Issa and other lawmakers say they want ATF to stanch the deadly tide of guns, widely implicated in the killing of 47,000 Mexicans in the drug-war violence of the past five years. But the public bludgeoning of the ATF has had the opposite effect. From 2010, when Congress began investigating, to 2011, gun seizures by Group VII and the ATF’s three other groups in Phoenix dropped by more than 90%.
Actually, I’ll stop trying to pick out quotes. The article is extremely long and detailed and likely very interesting to those who have been following this closely.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:46:36am |
re: #275 makeitstop
There’s trouble a-brewin’ in Republicantown…
Heh heh heh… This is gonna be good.
How is everyone this morning?
Heh it’s going to be fun. Doing good here though. Waiting to hear back if I got a camping site for July 5th through 9th at the beach. Can’t wait to get that first ocean dip in for the year and see my cousin and her fam.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:47:45am |
re: #275 makeitstop
There’s trouble a-brewin’ in Republicantown…
Heh heh heh… This is gonna be good.
How is everyone this morning?
This is what they unleashed with the Tea party/Randian faction: these people are not just vociferously and immutably against Obama, they are preapred to take down anyone who does not agree with them, regardles of party…
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:55:11am |
Good morning lizards!
It’s great to see bigot Charles Barron getting his ass whooped last night in the voting booth.
Who did he blame, his anti-Semitism? His racism? Nope.
…Mr. Barron also suggested that he was the victim of a conspiracy.
“They had the media. They called us names — the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post, the white media — because we were endorsed by the Amsterdam News and Black Star. We had the Wall Street corporate elite, the Democratic establishment, and the media all against us. But we put the state and nation on notice.”
Good riddance asshole.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:56:57am |
Massive Response at NJ Port After Stowaways Suspected in Cargo Container
The ship originated in Pakistan and the container was loaded onto the ship in India, officials said
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bratwurst Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:57:32am |
Rand Paul is keeping everyone focused on jobs, jobs, jobs by adding a personhood amendment to a flood insurance bill. He should be VP!— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) June 27, 2012
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:57:40am |
re: #279 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
It’s great to see bigot Charles Barron getting his ass whooped last night in the voting booth.
Who did he blame, his anti-Semitism? His racism? Nope.
Good riddance asshole.
Do you really honestly think a nut like that is going to self-reflect? Look at Ron Paul and others like that. I’m glad Jeffries won because one he’s not a nutcase and two it shuts the Weekly Standard up who claimed that Charles Barron was the “heart and soul of the Democratic party.”
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:58:31am |
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 27, 2012 7:59:18am |
re: #283 HappyWarrior
Why does everyone named Paul in Congress suck?
I’m thinking of a phrase having to do with apples and trees.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:00:46am |
re: #284 makeitstop
I’m thinking of a phrase having to do with apples and trees.
Well I wasn’t just thinking Luapy but also the other “Paul” whom Romney has apparently considered for vice president.
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:02:41am |
re: #282 HappyWarrior
Do you really honestly think a nut like that is going to self-reflect? Look at Ron Paul and others like that. I’m glad Jeffries won because one he’s not a nutcase and two it shuts the Weekly Standard up who claimed that Charles Barron was the “heart and soul of the Democratic party.”
In fact, it shows a very important distinction between the parties. Barron spouts anti-semitism and acts like a racist jackass, and he gets the Democratic establishment turning out against him.
Meanwhile, Trump continues to be BFF with Romney, hold fundraisers for him, and his racist, stupid, birther remarks go completely uncriticized by Romney. And more and more of the GOP establishment are going birther, as well.
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bratwurst Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:03:21am |
re: #283 HappyWarrior
Why does everyone named Paul in Congress suck?
Now now…there is one Paul with strong bipartisan support in the congressional cafeteria:
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simoom Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:03:40am |
re: #283 HappyWarrior
Why does everyone named Paul in Congress suck?
There’s this guy:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:03:49am |
re: #282 HappyWarrior
Do you really honestly think a nut like that is going to self-reflect? Look at Ron Paul and others like that. I’m glad Jeffries won because one he’s not a nutcase and two it shuts the Weekly Standard up who claimed that Charles Barron was the “heart and soul of the Democratic party.”
Democratic party bigots: defeated in primary race for congress
Republican party bigots: running for president
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:05:07am |
re: #283 HappyWarrior
Why does everyone named Paul in Congress suck?
Whatever you may say about their politics, they are consummate politicians: they know how to sell their name and their image and it is immediately attached to certain ideas that they seem to present consistently.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:07:12am |
re: #286 Obdicut
In fact, it shows a very important distinction between the parties. Barron spouts anti-semitism and acts like a racist jackass, and he gets the Democratic establishment turning out against him.
Meanwhile, Trump continues to be BFF with Romney, hold fundraisers for him, and his racist, stupid, birther remarks go completely uncriticized by Romney. And more and more of the GOP establishment are going birther, as well.
This is what I was thinking too. The Dem establishment came out strongly against Barron and his nonsense. Meanwhile as you pointed out Trump says all sorts of bigoted shit and Romney is completely quiet. And to add to that, there was a lot of courting for Arpaio’s support in the AZ primary.
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:07:23am |
re: #279 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
It’s great to see bigot Charles Barron getting his ass whooped last night in the voting booth.
Good riddance asshole.
This comment is supremely ironic given that you’ve already said you’ll be voting for Romney.
So, basically, it’s a good thing when bigots are defeated at the ballot box. But not thanks to you.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:08:11am |
re: #288 simoom
There’s this guy:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Heh thanks. I was being a smart ass. Apologies to all the Pauls out there :).
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:09:30am |
re: #292 iossarian
This comment is supremely ironic given that you’ve already said you’ll be voting for Romney.
So, basically, it’s a good thing when bigots are defeated at the ballot box. But not thanks to you.
Why is that ironic? I don’t like bigots and am glad to see them defeated. Romney is not a bigot that I’ve seen.
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allegro Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:09:58am |
More wisdom from the inimitable George Takei:
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:12:05am |
re: #294 NJDhockeyfan
Why is that ironic? I don’t like bigots and am glad to see them defeated. Romney is not a bigot that I’ve seen.
You’re not looking very hard then.
And before you roll out the “but all those Romney surrogates don’t really speak for Romney” line, I’d like to say that I’m really looking forward to not hearing any further mention from you of Jimmy Carter, Rev. Wright, Jane Fonda, Bill Ayers or any other person vaguely related to Democratic politics.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:12:21am |
re: #295 allegro
More wisdom from the inimitable George Takei:
Heh I am not a Trekkie but George is a funny dude. I liked when he had the youtube video response to the school board member who wrote on his facebook that gay teens should kill themselves. His response to Tim Hardaway after he made comments about gays was good as well.
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:13:49am |
Mitt Romney: against gay marriage:
“The American culture promotes personal responsibility, the dignity of work, the value of education, the merit of service, devotion to a purpose greater than self, and, at the foundation, the pre-eminence of the family,” Romney said. “As fundamental as these principles are, they may become topics of democratic debate. So it is today with the enduring institution of marriage. Marriage is a relationship between one man and one woman.”
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:14:37am |
More Romney on gay marriage:
Romney in 2003: I agree with 3000 years of recorded history. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman.
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allegro Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:15:00am |
re: #294 NJDhockeyfan
Why is that ironic? I don’t like bigots and am glad to see them defeated. Romney is not a bigot that I’ve seen.
Ever notice the party platform upon which he is running? Take a gander at his base? If he isn’t a bigot, he is doing an amazing imitation by pandering and winking at those who are. It all comes to the same end. Your statement is disingenuous at least.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:15:06am |
re: #298 iossarian
Mitt Romney: against gay marriage:
Or how he went know nothing on immigration to win the primaries. Suggesting that immigrants “self-deport” or hiring a guy like Kobach to be his go to guy on immigration issues.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:16:23am |
re: #300 allegro
Ever notice the party platform upon which he is running? Take a gander at his base? If he isn’t a bigot, he is doing an amazing imitation by pandering and winking at those who are. It all comes to the same end. Your statement is disingenuous at least.
He panders to it more than actually believes it. Don’t read that as a defense of Romney, what he does on social issues is no different from what guys like Wallace did to get elected.
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allegro Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:16:23am |
re: #299 iossarian
More Romney on gay marriage:
If the bible is a reference it would be more like: marriage is between a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and… a few concubines.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:17:41am |
re: #298 iossarian
Mitt Romney: against gay marriage:
I’m sure he will eventually ‘evolve’ on that position.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:18:34am |
Funny how in 1994 Mitt claimed he was more progressive minded on gay rights issues than Teddy Kennedy. But then he needs to win a Republican primary filled with voters who not only oppose gay marriage but civil unions and the right of gays to serve openly in the military. Some of us evolve over time on issues. Mr. Romney devolves because he’s an opportunist.
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allegro Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:18:45am |
re: #302 HappyWarrior
He panders to it more than actually believes it. Don’t read that as a defense of Romney, what he does on social issues is no different from what guys like Wallace did to get elected.
Really? If he’s willing to support bigoted policies that, by my definition anyway, makes him a bigot.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:18:53am |
re: #298 iossarian
Mitt Romney: against gay marriage:
Where does it say in the Constitution that marriage is between one man and one woman?
These people are basing this view on another document, I believe…
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:20:44am |
re: #306 allegro
Really? If he’s willing to support bigoted policies that, by my definition anyway, makes him a bigot.
I think it makes him worse than a bigot. Read about George Wallace, he was actually originally a moderate on civil rights issues but he lost a primary due to that and he decided the only way he could win was going full out against civil rights.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:21:21am |
re: #294 NJDhockeyfan
Why is that ironic? I don’t like bigots and am glad to see them defeated. Romney is not a bigot that I’ve seen.
Mr Obama agrees with you
Obama Shuts Down Crowd Booing Romney: “No, Mr. Romney Is A Patriotic American”
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sagehen Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:21:48am |
re: #307 Expand Your Ground
Where does it say in the Constitution that marriage is between one man and one woman?
These people are basing this view on another document, I believe…
It doesn’t say it in their Bible, unless they’re reading from the Wacky Remix Bible (condensed version)™. It’s also not in the Book of Mormon either.
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:22:01am |
re: #304 NJDhockeyfan
I’m sure he will eventually ‘evolve’ on that position.
Face it, in a two-horse race you’re voting for the guy who opposes gay rights. Obama has massively advanced the debate in a positive, progressive direction. Your guy is openly saying that their should be a “national standard” against gay marriage.
Own it, and cut out the whole “bigotry is bad” bullshit.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:22:11am |
re: #309 Killgore Trout
Mr Obama agrees with you
Obama Shuts Down Crowd Booing Romney: “No, Mr. Romney Is A Patriotic American”[Embedded content]
This is also a key difference between Dems and Reps these days. they recognize that their opponents are human beings worthy of basic respect and human dignity, even if they disagree with them on policy.
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:24:17am |
re: #309 Killgore Trout
Mr Obama agrees with you
Obama Shuts Down Crowd Booing Romney: “No, Mr. Romney Is A Patriotic American”[Embedded content]
God, a politician acts nobly and gracefully towards his opponent, and you take this as some kind of endorsement?
You guys are too much. I’m starting to think you actually believe this crap.
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:25:23am |
re: #294 NJDhockeyfan
Why is that ironic? I don’t like bigots and am glad to see them defeated. Romney is not a bigot that I’ve seen.
Romney is definitely bigoted against gay people, in that he doesn’t believe they deserve the same civil rights as others. Aside from that, I haven’t seen any evidence of bigotry from him, but he completely tolerates bigots like Trump.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:25:34am |
re: #313 iossarian
God, a politician acts nobly and gracefully towards his opponent, and you take this as some kind of endorsement?
You guys are too much. I’m starting to think you actually believe this crap.
Are accusing Obama of lying?
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:25:59am |
re: #309 Killgore Trout
You can be a patriotic American and a bigot, too.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:26:42am |
I don’t doubt that Romney is a patriot and do not consider him particularly bigoted. I just don’t think he is the better candidate for President. This is a nuance that gets lost against the background dissonance.
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:26:43am |
Jerry Sandusky was apparently serenaded by his fellow inmates with lyrics from Pink Floyd’s Another Brick in the Wall… specifically the line: Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:27:35am |
re: #315 NJDhockeyfan
Are accusing Obama of lying?
No. Please acquire some reading comprehension skills.
Obama said kind words about Mitt Romney. This was a graceful gesture towards civility in political discourse*. This was apparently interpreted as Obama endorsing Romney’s position, a claim which is obviously, laughably false. This is the “crap” to which I was referring, and which you apparently believe.
* I can understand that you are not familiar with this concept.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:27:53am |
Contrast what Obama did with what Romney did when a similar thing happened at a Romney event. Romney tucked his tail and refused to call it out. Shit man McCain did when that crazy woman said Obama was somehow unAmerican.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:28:11am |
re: #304 NJDhockeyfan
I’m sure he will eventually ‘evolve’ on that position.
One can only hope. Those that don’t evolve, go extinct faster.
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:28:47am |
re: #317 Expand Your Ground
I’m not sure he is a patriot, because to me that’s a pretty personal thing. Romney certainly hasn’t made any sacrifices for his country in a way that would make it easy to say that he’s patriotic. But much could be said about most politicians. It doesn’t really matter.
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:29:42am |
re: #320 HappyWarrior
Contrast what Obama did with what Romney did when a similar thing happened at a Romney event. Romney tucked his tail and refused to call it out. Shit man McCain did when that crazy woman said Obama was somehow unAmerican.
Hence Republican unfamiliarity with the idea that their politicians might actually take steps to restore civility to political discourse.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:30:01am |
re: #319 iossarian
Don’t let ‘em tag-team you.
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allegro Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:30:48am |
re: #309 Killgore Trout
Mr Obama agrees with you
Obama Shuts Down Crowd Booing Romney: “No, Mr. Romney Is A Patriotic American”[Embedded content]
I think this is pretty hilarious. Considering what the word “patriot” has come to mean from those who scream it the loudest, i.e. teabaggers, the white, male chickenhawks waving their flags, hatin’ gays, lovin’ Jesus, and vowing to “take THEIR country back,” yeah, calling Romney a patriot works.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:31:08am |
re: #314 Obdicut
Romney is definitely bigoted against gay people, in that he doesn’t believe they deserve the same civil rights as others.
If that’s the case would you say Obama was bigoted against gays until last month?
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:31:19am |
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:32:41am |
re: #326 NJDhockeyfan
If that’s the case would you say Obama was bigoted against gays until last month?
No, because it was pretty obvious that Obama wasn’t trying to enact national legislation against gay marriage, and that in fact he was working to move the American people towards acceptance of the same, evidence of which is now overabundant since he has personally endorsed the idea of gay people getting married.
Does that answer your question?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:34:06am |
re: #318 lawhawk
Jerry Sandusky was apparently serenaded by his fellow inmates with lyrics from Pink Floyd’s Another Brick in the Wall… specifically the line: Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone
[Embedded content]
All things considered, that would be an exceptionally ominous way to enter prison. Not that there’s a light-hearted, Mary Poppins way, but still…
Chim-chiminey, chim-chiminey, chim chim cheree, I’m doing six months in solitary!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:34:46am |
Did someone mention Jimmy Carter?
Jimmy Carter attacks Barack Obama over assassinations and drone attacks
Former president Jimmy Carter has blasted the United States for anti-terror strategies such as targeting individuals for assassination and using unmanned drones to bomb suspected targets, saying they directly flout the basic tenets of universal human rights and foment anti-US sentiment.
In an article written for the New York Times headlined “A Cruel and Unusual Record”, Mr Carter, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002 for his work trying to resolve conflicts around the globe, suggested that the US is in violation of 10 of the 30 articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It is a rare attack by a former commander-in-chief on a sitting President – especially of the same party.
While Mr Carter does not name President Obama, there is little disguising that he is the principle target of his stinging words. Recent weeks have seen a slew of media reports detailing how Mr Obama has grown increasingly dependent on drones to take out suspected terror cells and describing how he has the final word to approve names on a “hit-list” of most-wanted terror suspects overseas for assassination. “Revelations that top officials are targeting people to be assassinated, including American citizens, are only the most recent, disturbing proof of how far our nation’s violation of human rights has extended,” Mr Carter wrote, concluding that the US is “abandoning its role as the global champion of human rights”.
Someone tell Jimmy Carter to mind his own business and let the adults fight terrorism.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:37:39am |
re: #327 iossarian
It’s like the Chuckle Brothers on here sometimes.
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Why have I never heard of them before this? What a void in my cultural experiences!
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:37:44am |
*headdesk*
I’m out (for now). Goodbye cruel LGF.
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iossarian Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:39:04am |
re: #330 NJDhockeyfan
Someone tell Jimmy Carter to mind his own business and let the adults fight terrorism.
Those adults in full color:
Image: barack-obama-hillary-clinton-bill-daly.jpg
OK - really out now.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:39:50am |
re: #330 NJDhockeyfan
Did someone mention Jimmy Carter?
Jimmy Carter attacks Barack Obama over assassinations and drone attacks
Someone tell Jimmy Carter to mind his own business and let the adults fight terrorism.
Jimmy Carter has been fighting our nations enemy’s since, I would bet, before you were born.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:43:48am |
re: #334 RayFerd
Jimmy Carter has been fighting our nations enemy’s since, I would bet, before you were born.
Jimmy Carter was always for idealsm over practicality. Obama is more towards the practical end of the spectrum.
Which is still better than Romney, who is guided chiefly by opportunism.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:48:36am |
re: #334 RayFerd
Jimmy Carter has been fighting our nations enemy’s since, I would bet, before you were born.
I will give him full respect for his Naval career. I do not, however, respect his support of Hamas and his anti-Semitism.
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kirkspencer Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:49:10am |
re: #302 HappyWarrior
He panders to it more than actually believes it. Don’t read that as a defense of Romney, what he does on social issues is no different from what guys like Wallace did to get elected.
That is worse, actually.
It is bad that there are people who believe their bigotry is right. But I hold special contempt for those who know it is wrong but allow and encourage it - pander to it in your words.
It is knowingly committing evil instead of doing so out of ignorance.
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:52:19am |
re: #307 Expand Your Ground
Marriage isn’t something mentioned in the federal constitution; it’s an issue left generally to the states - and the states have gone in both directions (both to amend to give gay marriage rights, and to specifically declare that marriage is between a man and woman).
And DOMA is problematic because it attempts to override the Full Faith and Credit provision of the Constitution and the 10th Amendment - rights retained by the states to define marriage (among other things).
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:52:22am |
re: #337 kirkspencer
That is worse, actually.
It is bad that there are people who believe their bigotry is right. But I hold special contempt for those who know it is wrong but allow and encourage it - pander to it in your words.
It is knowingly committing evil instead of doing so out of ignorance.
Indeed, when I read about the civil rights movement and the southern pols who were only against civil rights to get votes they disgust me more than the actual bigots. Not that the latter don’t suck but there;s something wrong with a man who is willing to sell his fellow citizens under the bus to boost his creds with another group and I really do feel Romney has done exactly this with gays/lesbians and immigrants and the less fortunate.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:52:29am |
Fast & Furious-Breaking news, Randall & I both paged it
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:53:50am |
re: #326 NJDhockeyfan
If that’s the case would you say Obama was bigoted against gays until last month?
On a personal level, if he didn’t think that gay people can have a real, loving marriage, then yes, he was bigoted. If he thought there’s something ‘wrong’ with gay people, he was bigoted.
I don’t know if he actually felt that way; a lot of people who I wouldn’t consider bigoted get hung up on the ‘marriage’ issue, and it comes down to whether they support the right of gay people to get marriage, rather than approve of it.
On a political level, he has consistently pushed forwards gay rights— and I think that experience is what has helped him evolve personally, too.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 8:58:41am |
re: #341 ggt
Morning all!
How is life today?
Life is great. Since I solved the rabbit problem my garden is growing at a spectacular rate and I’m keeping the weeds to a bare minimum. I picked my first zucchini this morning :)
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:00:08am |
re: #336 NJDhockeyfan
I will give him full respect for his Naval career. I do not, however, respect his support of Hamas and his anti-Semitism.
One can be against Israel’s settlement and security policies without being anti-Semitic.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:02:14am |
re: #343 NJDhockeyfan
Life is great. Since I solved the rabbit problem my garden is growing at a spectacular rate and I’m keeping the weeds to a bare minimum. I picked my first zucchini this morning :)
How did you end up solving the rabbit problem?
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:03:54am |
re: #338 lawhawk
Marriage isn’t something mentioned in the federal constitution; it’s an issue left generally to the states - and the states have gone in both directions (both to amend to give gay marriage rights, and to specifically declare that marriage is between a man and woman).
And DOMA is problematic because it attempts to override the Full Faith and Credit provision of the Constitution and the 10th Amendment - rights retained by the states to define marriage (among other things).
States are in a losing battle, IMHO, for federalism. They have repeatedly shown they can’t be trusted to administer civil rights. It’s a problem as we need the additional layer of the separation of powers that States Rights provides.
It’s an important layer to prevent tyranny.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:04:46am |
re: #343 NJDhockeyfan
Life is great. Since I solved the rabbit problem my garden is growing at a spectacular rate and I’m keeping the weeds to a bare minimum. I picked my first zucchini this morning :)
I was over at my dads last night helping him with a few things and he had just dug up 2 rows of young red potatoes. I got some from him and am trying to think up something good to throw them in with for dinner. I love the young potatoes, just throw them in what ever you are cooking. No cutting or skinning needed, washing takes most of the skin off anyway.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:05:27am |
re: #344 Expand Your Ground
One can be against Israel’s settlement and security policies without being anti-Semitic.
Yes the can. Jimmy Carter takes that to a new level.
Rabbi Levi Brackman - Carter’s book: Anti-Semitism, not peace
The Israel–Egypt negotiations resulting in the Camp David accords in the late 1970s were before my time. My negative perception of former United States President Jimmy Carter came from reading detailed accounts of the negotiations and the bully-boy tactics he used against Israel during that time.
I do not use the term anti-Semite lightly; in fact, I am fundamentally against equating legitimate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. However, Carter’s latest book, “Palestine Peace Not Apartheid” takes my antipathy for the man to an entirely new level, for in my view with this book he has shown himself to be an anti-Semite.
This article is not the place to delve into the details of the book and refute it line by line - this has already been done. However, it is important to consider the general impression a book makes on the reader.…In fact, Carter’s book reads as if it was written by a Palestinian propagandist, not by a former United States President who has been engaged in the Arab–Israeli conflict for nearly thirty years.
To conclude, as some have, that, rather than being an anti-Semite, Carter is just an ignoramus who has a tendency to “always root for the underdog” is as absurd as the book itself. In an interview, Carter claimed that while writing this book he read almost every book on the subject. If this is indeed the case - and there is no reason to doubt it - then his intentional omissions and insinuations against Israel start to take on a more sinister face.…Being an anti-Semite is not a reasonable state of mind it is pathological. As an anti-Semite Carter cannot stand the fact that Israel is so overwhelmingly supported by the American people and he has therefore published a dishonest and poorly written book in a cynical attempt to change this. In doing so he has not only brought shame upon himself but also, as a former president, profoundly dishonored the presidency of the United States. By extension, he is a disgrace to America.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:05:52am |
re: #334 RayFerd
Jimmy Carter has been fighting our nations enemy’s since, I would bet, before you were born.
You do make a good point.
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:07:34am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:07:39am |
re: #345 Killgore Trout
How did you end up solving the rabbit problem?
Grenades!
j/k…I got 2 rolls of chicken wire and a bunch of furring strips from Lowes and put it around the garden. They can’t get in. I’m hoping it will keep out the deer too. I am told some deer will jump the fence if they know what’s on the other side.
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Four More Tears Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:12:56am |
re: #334 RayFerd
Jimmy Carter has been fighting our nation’s enemies since, I would bet, before you were born.
Many grammar Nazis slipped his net, though…
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:14:12am |
For all the talk about how the President is in trouble, it seems that he’s holding his own in the battleground states, maintaining a slight to significant advantage in the states identified by RCP. Still way early to divine wisdom from the polls, but one way to explain the outcomes is that those polled appear to note that things aren’t as bad as the GOP thinks they should be, but aren’t as good as Democrats hope them to be. Thus, things are close, and open to shift - particularly as economic conditions change.
And much of the economic impacts may be driven not by domestic issues, but what’s going on overseas - issues beyond the control of the President, the Federal Reserve, or American policies.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:17:30am |
If they can’t get there by boat they will fly over…
Russia ‘may fly military cargo to Syria’
Russia may decide to fly a controversial military cargo of helicopters and air defence systems to Syria after it abandoned an attempt to ship the materiel by sea, a report said Wednesday.
The West wants Russia to halt all military cooperation with Syria because of the escalating conflict between the Damascus regime and rebels but Moscow has insisted it cannot break contracts.
A freighter, the Alaed, at the weekend docked in the Russian Arctic port of Murmansk after turning back off the British coast from a voyage to Syria to deliver the military cargo when its British insurer dropped cover.
“The three Mi-25 helicopters and air defence systems could easily be delivered to Syria by air,” a military source, who was not identified, told the Interfax news agency.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:17:40am |
re: #348 NJDhockeyfan
Yes the can. Jimmy Carter takes that to a new level.
Rabbi Levi Brackman - Carter’s book: Anti-Semitism, not peace
No citations of actual text from the book that he found so disturbing and anti-Semitic? Or was it just a whole tome of “Fuck the juice”, “Fuck Israel”. Or did he touch on some not-so-nice history of how Israel were treating their fellow man and that counts as anti-semitism?
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:17:49am |
I have a lot of respect for Jimmy Carter. I think, however, he would have made a better preacher or diplomat than politician.
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:18:58am |
Drill baby drill… US announces that some Arctic waters will be opened to drilling.
Details will be released Thursday, but Interior Secretary Ken Salazar told reporters the idea is to adopt “targeted leasing” — opening some areas in the Chukchi and Beaufort seas for drilling while protecting others critical for native subsistence and ecosystem health.
Shell is awaiting the final permits to explore in the region this summer, and on Tuesday said a device to cap any spill was successfully tested in waters off Seattle. “The capping stack was deployed to a depth consistent with the shallow water scenario we will encounter off the coast of Alaska,” the oil giant said in a statement.How the industry prepares for spills has come under greater scrutiny since the 2010 BP oil spill disaster, where the containment system failed.
Environmentalists oppose drilling in America’s Arctic due to the sensitive ecosystem it provides for polar bears, walruses, whales and seals.“There is no viable way to clean up oil spilled into the Arctic Ocean,” Kristen Miller of the Alaska Wilderness League said in a statement. “The Arctic is perhaps the most extreme region on the planet with subzero temperatures, hurricane force storms and long periods of darkness. Spill response capacity is practically nonexistent in these remote, icy waters — the nearest Coast Guard station is more than 1,000 miles away.”
Shell is required to have a flotilla of spill response boats should its capping system fail, and Salazar said no commercial drilling would proceed if Interior concludes that spills cannot be contained.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:19:01am |
re: #348 NJDhockeyfan
Yes the can. Jimmy Carter takes that to a new level.
Rabbi Levi Brackman - Carter’s book: Anti-Semitism, not peace
Yes, there are anti-Semites who oppose Israel and everything it stands for, but one can oppose Israeli government policies without being an anti-Semite.
This is another nuance that is lost in the shouting and explosions that make up “political discourse” in that part of the world.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:22:11am |
After reading Paris 1919 by Margaret MacMillian, I have a new appreciation for the situation in the ME. They have to come into their own and the growing-pains are being felt by the whole world.
I’m not sure any attempt on our part to direct their growth will be helpful. At least not in the scope we have previously tried to influence peoples. I don’t know what will happen and am very glad I don’t work in the areas of government that are tasked with the job.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:23:02am |
re: #355 RayFerd
No citations of actual text from the book that he found so disturbing and anti-Semitic? Or was it just a whole tome of “Fuck the juice”, “Fuck Israel”. Or did he touch on some not-so-nice history of how Israel were treating their fellow man and that counts as anti-semitism?
It was widely reviewed as an anti-Semitic bash on Israel. The only people who happened to love that book were white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and Aryan Nations groups.
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:26:26am |
re: #357 lawhawk
Just remember that decision when the GOP complains that Obama is against oil exploration, energy policy, and raising energy prices (except that they’ve dropped since the beginning of the year).
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:26:40am |
Why NRA wants Congress to vote Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt
NRA officials say the Obama administration’s ‘Fast and Furious’ operation began as part of an antigun agenda – and that lawmakers who don’t vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt will be held to account in November elections.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:27:26am |
re: #360 NJDhockeyfan
It was widely reviewed as an anti-Semitic bash on Israel. The only people who happened to love that book were white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and Aryan Nations groups.
So it was criticism of Israel, not the Jewish religion. Then it was not antisemitism. It was political policy criticism. It was criticism of what Israel was doing as a nation, not what they were doing as Jews. Did he bring New York Jews into the criticism or just the ruling members of Israel?
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:27:47am |
Jimmy seems to side more with the Palestinians, I think, because he is an idealist. He probably is more cognizant of history than most who want to judge him.
He also seems to give a pass to their violence in instances where we wish he wouldn’t.
I don’t know if his personal religious convictions are pro- or anti-Israel. I can’t keep the various Christian sects straight on that issue. Somehow, I don’t think he would think one peoples less human than another.
The decision so the world to partition various peoples into certain geography in the past has proven to be a debacle. I don’t know how it could have been done any better, nor do I know if there would be more upheaval and violence if it hadn’t been done.
He does seem to take the unpopular stand most of the time. Only history will tell if his perspective has merit.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:29:21am |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
Why NRA wants Congress to vote Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt
The issue has political implications this election year. The National Rifle Association is keeping score, prompting some Democrats to join Republicans in voting for contempt.
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:29:28am |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
Why NRA wants Congress to vote Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt
Why did Bush the Lesser have an anti-gun agenda? I thought he bought into the whole “no rules for guns” same as the rest of his party.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:31:15am |
The Pro-2nd Amendment People (me included) have to find their way to accepting laws that preserve our right to self-defense, but limit the availability of the tools of violence in the world.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:31:43am |
re: #365 Gus
Anti-Semitic Reactions to Jimmy Carter’s Book: White Supremacists
Many scholars and experts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict have strongly criticized Jimmy Carter’s book, “Palestine Peace Not Apartheid,” for its distortions, misrepresentations, and one-sided arguments that blame Israel for the conflict while giving the Palestinians a pass. Yet the book is being celebrated in online white supremacist forums for its anti-Israel, conspiratorial and anti-Semitic propaganda value. Some white supremacists in the United States have embraced the message of Carter’s book, pointing to criticism by supporters of Israel as confirmation of their anti-Semitic notions of Jewish power.
As a result, various online anti-Semitic forums have hailed Carter’s book in diatribes laced with anti-Semitic invective. White supremacists, who already focus much of their hatred on Jews and believe that “Zionists” and Israel control the U.S. government and create the world’s problems, welcomed President Carter’s book as an affirmation of their warped anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.White supremacist forums such as Stormfront, the longest-running white supremacist Web site on the Internet, Aryan Nations Forum, a Web forum operated by the South Carolina-based Aryan Nations group headed by August Kreis, and Vanguard News Network (VNN), a white supremacist Web site and discussion forum run by neo-Nazi Alex Linder, have included posts praising President Carter for standing up to the “Zionist lobby” and Israel and reaffirming their views on the inherent evil nature of Jews. Many of the messages expressed support for Carter, claiming that any criticism of his book is an attack by “the Zionists.”
Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Review, a Holocaust denial organization, listed the book along with the conspiratorial paper on the “Israel Lobby” by professors John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt as one of the year’s crowning achievements, showing the “growing awareness of Jewish-Zionist power.”
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:33:29am |
re: #347 RayFerd
I was over at my dads last night helping him with a few things and he had just dug up 2 rows of young red potatoes. I got some from him and am trying to think up something good to throw them in with for dinner. I love the young potatoes, just throw them in what ever you are cooking. No cutting or skinning needed, washing takes most of the skin off anyway.
Butter and salt. That’s all you need. Let the potato shine through.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:34:57am |
re: #367 RayFerd
Why did Bush the Lesser have an anti-gun agenda? I thought he bought into the whole “no rules for guns” same as the rest of his party.
It’s hard to predict how this would have evolved if Bush (or another Republican) was still in office. However, DOJ under Bush did recognize the problem that American bought guns are being shipped to Mexico. We are also fueling the drug war by buying all those illegal drugs. We are a very destabilizing force on Mexico. I have always been of the opinion that the real source of the outrage over the investigation was the legal gun purchases being shipped to Mexico. It’s a loophole the NRA doesn’t want closed, they would still be pressuring congress no matter who’s in office.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:40:52am |
re: #371 wrenchwench
Butter and salt. That’s all you need. Let the potato shine through.
Those potatoes have a buttery flavor all their own. RayFerd, you don’t need to add much of anything at all. It also makes great potato salad.
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:48:39am |
re: #372 Killgore Trout
It’s hard to predict how this would have evolved if Bush (or another Republican) was still in office. However, DOJ under Bush did recognize the problem that American bought guns are being shipped to Mexico. We are also fueling the drug war by buying all those illegal drugs. We are a very destabilizing force on Mexico. I have always been of the opinion that the real source of the outrage over the investigation was the legal gun purchases being shipped to Mexico. It’s a loophole the NRA doesn’t want closed, they would still be pressuring congress no matter who’s in office.
Drug war. Also the fact that in recent years this drug war has been amplified including under the direction of the current administration. Calderon of course has been a central figure in this controversial policy and enforcement has lead to the death of 50,000 Mexican citizens since 2006. There are huge profits to be made by the “cartels” in the drug trade. Much like alcohol prohibition led to the violent crimes of the American mafia. There is no end in sight since the majority of world leaders hold a rather conservative view on drugs.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:49:57am |
re: #373 NJDhockeyfan
Those potatoes have a buttery flavor all their own. RayFerd, you don’t need to add much of anything at all. It also makes great potato salad.
my favorite potato salad: Young potatoes (steamed, not boiled) tossed with homemade olive oil mayo (with mustard, tarragon and fennel). It’s awesome.
/Now I’m hungry
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:50:06am |
re: #347 RayFerd
I was over at my dads last night helping him with a few things and he had just dug up 2 rows of young red potatoes. I got some from him and am trying to think up something good to throw them in with for dinner. I love the young potatoes, just throw them in what ever you are cooking. No cutting or skinning needed, washing takes most of the skin off anyway.
Depending on how small they are, cut them in half (or thirds,, quarters,,) to a little over bite size pieces (they’ll shrink a little in the cooking process)
par-boil them till a fork can get through them still with resistance
drain and place back in cold water to stop the cooking process
Oven to 400
a light layer of cooking oil in a shallow bake pan, put the taters in and stir around getting the oil over them
salt/ pepper to taste
bake (stirring occasionally)
when about 2/3rds done put your favorite seasoning on them ,,,, keep stirring occasionally till done
Voila,,, roasted red potatoes
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:51:44am |
re: #374 Gus
Drug war. Also the fact that in recent years this drug war has been amplified including under the direction of the current administration. Calderon of course has been a central figure in this controversial policy and enforcement has lead to the death of 50,000 Mexican citizens since 2006. There are huge profits to be made by the “cartels” in the drug trade. Much like alcohol prohibition led to the violent crimes of the American mafia. There is no end in sight since the majority of world leaders hold a rather conservative view on drugs.
…and state legalized marijuana laws haven’t even made a dent in the problem. It’s going to require federal decriminalization and that’s not likely to happen any time soon.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:52:34am |
All the Washington DC football team needs to do is redesign their logo to feature a delicious potato.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:53:24am |
re: #370 NJDhockeyfan
Anti-Semitic Reactions to Jimmy Carter’s Book: White Supremacists
Ahhh, someone reading a book and getting out of it what ever they want it to say. Kinda like the fundies and the bible. “What so ever you do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me” translates in their mind as “Fuck those lazy bastards, go die of starvation somewhere else!”.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:54:00am |
re: #378 Learned Mother of Zion
All the Washington DC football team needs to do is redesign their logo to feature a delicious potato.
Their fan base
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:54:00am |
re: #377 Killgore Trout
…and state legalized marijuana laws haven’t even made a dent in the problem. It’s going to require federal decriminalization and that’s not likely to happen any time soon.
legalized marijuana laws are not going to affect the cocaine and heroin trade, which is the mainstay of the cartels’ business
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:54:00am |
re: #375 Killgore Trout
my favorite potato salad: Young potatoes (steamed, not boiled) tossed with homemade olive oil mayo (with mustard, tarragon and fennel). It’s awesome.
/Now I’m hungry
That sounds yummy. It also sounds terribly elitist, like something POTUS would eat. Hippie. //
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:55:00am |
re: #375 Killgore Trout
my favorite potato salad: Young potatoes (steamed, not boiled) tossed with homemade olive oil mayo (with mustard, tarragon and fennel). It’s awesome.
/Now I’m hungry
trick is also to put the dressing on while the potatoes are still warm and then let them cool
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:55:37am |
re: #377 Killgore Trout
…and state legalized marijuana laws haven’t even made a dent in the problem. It’s going to require federal decriminalization and that’s not likely to happen any time soon.
Yep. That’s the error in the state referendums passing “medical marijuana” laws that don’t pass Federal DEA laws. Even then it would eventually fall under the FDA and require a continuation of strict Federal or state regulation since it would thus fall under prescription medicine. Thus you have the majority of users who would still seek it for recreational purposes. If we do legalize it we should do so for recreational use much like alcohol.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:55:39am |
re: #371 wrenchwench
Butter and salt. That’s all you need. Let the potato shine through.
I like throwing them in with some lima beans and real bacon bits. Let simmer low for an hour (I do add some butter during cooking and possibly a little mince garlic). I think that is what I am going to do tonight.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:56:19am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:56:31am |
re: #383 Expand Your Ground
trick is also to put the dressing on while the potatoes are still warm and then let them cool
I do it at room temp. Home made mayo doesn’t have the chemical emulsifiers so it separates easier.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:57:05am |
I’d go all out libertarian and legalize drugs not just marijuana. I believe Portugal recently decriminalized drugs and there hasn’t been a rise in recreational drug use. What’s frustrating is most lawmakers and law enforcement only really admit it after they’re out of the job.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:57:34am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
I do it at room temp. Home made mayo doesn’t have the chemical emulsifiers so it separates easier.
I can never get homemade mayo to come out right. It always ends up tasting too oily.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:57:58am |
re: #389 CuriousLurker
I can never get homemade mayo to come out right. It always ends up tasting too oily.
Maybe you have to move!
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:58:15am |
And damn this talk of food is getting me hungry and I just had a delicious duck kaprow at the Thai restaurant here.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:58:59am |
re: #382 CuriousLurker
That sounds yummy. It also sounds terribly elitist, like something POTUS would eat. Hippie. //
Heh. I made a batch of mayo last week using a neighbor’s duck eggs. Extra elitist and all the ingredients were completely homegrown and free.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:58:59am |
re: #388 HappyWarrior
I’d go all out libertarian and legalize drugs not just marijuana. I believe Portugal recently decriminalized drugs and there hasn’t been a rise in recreational drug use. What’s frustrating is most lawmakers and law enforcement only really admit it after they’re out of the job.
to legalize also means to retain the ability to regulate access and to provide for therapy for those trying to get off drugs without scaring them away for fear of prosecution
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 27, 2012 9:59:21am |
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:00:27am |
Stutters.
In Mexico, it’s taken as fact that the United States is backing the drug cartels bit.ly/KDKW0P— Foreign Policy (@FP_Magazine) June 27, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:00:28am |
re: #385 RayFerd
I like throwing them in with some lima beans and real bacon bits. Let simmer low for an hour (I do add some butter during cooking and possibly a little mince garlic). I think that is what I am going to do tonight.
Mmmmm….bacon.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:00:50am |
re: #391 HappyWarrior
And damn this talk of food is getting me hungry and I just had a delicious duck kaprow at the Thai restaurant here.
I have a kaffir lime tree in the greenhouse. I use the leaves in everything with tons left over. I’m going to try to arrange a swap with the Thai food cart down the street. I wonder how many lime leaves it’ll take to get a free pad thai.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:01:13am |
re: #392 Killgore Trout
Heh. I made a batch of mayo last week using a neighbor’s duck eggs. Extra elitist and all the ingredients were completely homegrown and free.
LOL, oh man, that’s definitely extra elitist and super-duper tree hugging hippie. Did it taste a lot different with duck eggs?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:04:07am |
re: #399 CuriousLurker
LOL, oh man, that’s definitely extra elitist and super-duper tree hugging hippie. Did it taste a lot different with duck eggs?
It’s a bit richer. The duck eggs have more fat than chicken eggs. I’ve been eating them fried with runny yolk. it’s outrageous good. When I work up the courage I’m going to try poaching them. It’s a tricky technique and I haven’t had the guts to sacrifice a precious egg to the experiment.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:05:51am |
Fischer: Liberals Have Been Duped by Satan
Satan and his evil spirits are not just kind of these vague floating beings that are out there somewhere where they can’t get to us, they can’t touch us, they can’t affect us, they can’t influence us; we struggle against them.
Now, we do have people that are adversaries but the point that Paul is making here is that what’s behind them, what’s behind the work that they do, the things that they think, the things that they say, what’s behind them if they oppose us when we stand for the truth, what’s behind them ultimately is the Prince of the Power of the Air. And that’s why ultimately our struggle is not against people, they’re just dupes, they have been deceived, they have been fooled.
You look at the average liberal in the United States, they believe things that are folly. They believe things that are irrational. They believe things that make no sense, that cannot stand up to the test of reason and logic. Why do they believe that? Because they are dupes, they have been deceived and fooled by the Prince of Lies, the Father of Lies and that’s why they believe and do what they do.
Is it wrong to giggle when they man who believes a man living in the sky and an evil spirit who lives in a fiery cave are in a battle for our soul talks about what is irrational?
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allegro Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:06:17am |
re: #377 Killgore Trout
…and state legalized marijuana laws haven’t even made a dent in the problem. It’s going to require federal decriminalization and that’s not likely to happen any time soon.
2012 Texas Democratic Party Platform
Decriminalization of marijuana does not mean we endorse marijuana use, but it is only a call for wiser law enforcement and public health policy. Prohibition of marijuana abdicates the control of marijuana production and distribution to drug cartels and street gangs. Such prohibition promotes disrespect for the law and reinforces ethnic and generational divides between the public and law enforcement.
Every year hundreds of thousands of Americans are arrested for marijuana possession violations- far more than all those arrested for violent crimes in America. Societal costs dealing with the war on drugs concerning marijuana exceeds 12 billion dollars annually. Since the war on drugs began 85% of the arrests for marijuana have been for possession only.
Marijuana is no more dangerous than tobacco or alcohol. Recent polls show over 50% of Americans believe marijuana should be decriminalized.While arrests for marijuana since 1965 have been over 20 million citizens, marijuana is more prevalent than ever before. There is no evidence that marijuana is a “gateway” drug leading to use of other more lethal drugs. 75% of citizens arrested for marijuana are under 30. Minorities account for a majority of those arrested for marijuana. Criminal conviction permanently scars a young citizen for life.
Texas Democrats urges the President, the Attorney General and the Congress to support the passage of legislation to decriminalize the possession of marijuana and regulate its use, production, and sale as is
done with tobacco and alcohol.We further urge the immediate decriminalization of possession and use of medical marijuana
Someone gets it.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:07:39am |
re: #381 Expand Your Ground
legalized marijuana laws are not going to affect the cocaine and heroin trade, which is the mainstay of the cartels’ business
Wrong. Marijuana is the mainstay, followed by coke, meth, heroin, trafficking people, kidnapping, bribes, etc. I may not have the order right, but Marijuana is #1.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:08:41am |
re: #395 Gus
Stutters.
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Not surprising, since they also take as fact that their own government backs the drug cartels.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:09:53am |
re: #401 Kragar
Fischer: Liberals Have Been Duped by Satan
Satan and his evil spirits are not just kind of these vague floating beings that are out there somewhere where they can’t get to us, they can’t touch us, they can’t affect us, they can’t influence us; we struggle against them.Now, we do have people that are adversaries but the point that Paul is making here is that what’s behind them, what’s behind the work that they do, the things that they think, the things that they say, what’s behind them if they oppose us when we stand for the truth, what’s behind them ultimately is the Prince of the Power of the Air. And that’s why ultimately our struggle is not against people, they’re just dupes, they have been deceived, they have been fooled.
You look at the average liberal in the United States, they believe things that are folly. They believe things that are irrational. They believe things that make no sense, that cannot stand up to the test of reason and logic. Why do they believe that? Because they are dupes, they have been deceived and fooled by the Prince of Lies, the Father of Lies and that’s why they believe and do what they do.
Is it wrong to giggle when they man who believes a man living in the sky and an evil spirit who lives in a fiery cave are in a battle for our soul talks about what is irrational?
Dana Carvey or Lorne Michaels should sue him for copyright infringement. “Could it be Satan?”
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:11:03am |
re: #404 wrenchwench
Not surprising, since they also take as fact that their own government backs the drug cartels.
Someone else mentioned “we used to say that about them.”
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:11:25am |
re: #400 Killgore Trout
It’s a bit richer. The duck eggs have more fat than chicken eggs. I’ve been eating them fried with runny yolk. it’s outrageous good. When I work up the courage I’m going to try poaching them. It’s a tricky technique and I haven’t had the guts to sacrifice a precious egg to the experiment.
It’s pretty easy. The trick to poaching an egg is to put a little vinegar or lemon juice in the water. It keeps the white part of the egg from spreading out. The water shouldn’t be on full boil, just barely simmering. Drop the egg in real easy and in a few minute pick it out with a slotted spoon. I usually let put it on a towel to get the water off before I going on the plate.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:12:30am |
re: #397 Killgore Trout
I have a kaffir lime tree…
Figures. // ;)
re: #400 Killgore Trout
It’s a bit richer. The duck eggs have more fat than chicken eggs. I’ve been eating them fried with runny yolk. it’s outrageous good. When I work up the courage I’m going to try poaching them. It’s a tricky technique and I haven’t had the guts to sacrifice a precious egg to the experiment.
Hmm, that’s interesting. I didn’t know that. I’ve never eaten a duck egg. Or duck, goose, cornish hen, nada. I tasted quail once (my dad & brothers were hunters), but…yuck! Same with venison, too gamey. Nope, uh-uh, no venison, goat, rabbit, pheasant, etc…just beef (no veal), chicken or lamb, and even then none of the yucky bits, just straight meat.
CL <—not adventurous when it comes to food.
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dragonath Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:13:57am |
re: #405 HappyWarrior
“Prince of the Power of the Air” sounds like a tag line for a 1939 Philco radio.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:14:38am |
Fuddruckers has exotic burgers now: Elk, Boar, and Buffalo. Got the elk last time I was there. That was good. I’ve had buffalo before too which I’ve liked. Never had boar before but I imagine I’d like it since I love pork.
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:14:40am |
re: #408 CuriousLurker
Figures. // ;)
re: #400 Killgore Trout
Hmm, that’s interesting. I didn’t know that. I’ve never eaten a duck egg. Or duck, goose, cornish hen, nada. I tasted quail once (my dad & brothers were hunters), but…yuck! Same with venison, too gamey. Nope, uh-uh, no venison, goat, rabbit, pheasant, etc…just beef (no veal), chicken or lamb, and even then none of the yucky bits, just straight meat.
CL <—not adventurous when it comes to food.
No duck? I used to have a lot of duck in San Francisco. Mostly at Brandy Ho’s.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:14:46am |
re: #409 Be Zorch, Daddio
“Prince of the Power of the Air” sounds like a tag line for a 1939 Philco radio.
Or a 60’s DJ.
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allegro Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:14:55am |
re: #407 NJDhockeyfan
It’s pretty easy. The trick to poaching an egg is to put a little vinegar or lemon juice in the water. It keeps the white part of the egg from spreading out. The water shouldn’t be on full boil, just barely simmering. Drop the egg in real easy and in a few minute pick it out with a slotted spoon. I usually let put it on a towel to get the water off before I going on the plate.
The best trick I’ve learned is to poke a little hole in the end of the raw egg shell with an ice pick. Lower the egg into softly boiling water for about 15 seconds to let the water enter the egg through the hole so it cooks the white a little and it will hold together when the egg is opened and dropped into the water.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:15:13am |
re: #407 NJDhockeyfan
It’s pretty easy. The trick to poaching an egg is to put a little vinegar or lemon juice in the water. It keeps the white part of the egg from spreading out.
Yep, I learned about that trick a few years ago. It works.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:16:03am |
Any of you ever had gator meat? My regular bar when I was at college was a New Orleans themed bar so lots of crayfish, gator, etc to be had.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:17:30am |
Paul: No Flood Insurance Until Senate Votes On Life Beginning At Conception
Harry Reid earned gentle praise from his GOP counterpart Tuesday for running a good, bipartisan operation these past several weeks. But the Senate may not be able to clear its entire near-term agenda before the Independence day recess because Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) won’t allow a measure extending the FEMA’s National Flood Insurance Program for five years to move forward until he gets a vote on legislation declaring that human life begins at conception.
All in favor of tossing Rand out on his ass, say aye.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:18:32am |
re: #407 NJDhockeyfan
It’s pretty easy. The trick to poaching an egg is to put a little vinegar or lemon juice in the water. It keeps the white part of the egg from spreading out. The water shouldn’t be on full boil, just barely simmering. Drop the egg in real easy and in a few minute pick it out with a slotted spoon. I usually let put it on a towel to get the water off before I going on the plate.
I always mange to fuck it up.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:19:52am |
re: #419 Killgore Trout
I always mange to fuck it up.
A little practice and you will be a pro at it.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:20:10am |
re: #414 allegro
I’m now 100% convinced that there is no question under the sun that at least one person here won’t have an answer for. ;)
//Wait, that sentence sounds weird. Double negative? Suddenly I feel like I’m incapable of speaking English properly…
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allegro Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:22:15am |
re: #419 Killgore Trout
I always mange to fuck it up.
You could try this to make it unfuckupable:
[Link: www.crateandbarrel.com…]
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:22:22am |
re: #417 Kragar
Paul: No Flood Insurance Until Senate Votes On Life Beginning At Conception
All in favor of tossing Rand out on his ass, say aye.
Too bad he’s not up for re-election till 2016. He’s a nut just like Dad.
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:22:52am |
re: #417 Kragar
Paul: No Flood Insurance Until Senate Votes On Life Beginning At Conception
All in favor of tossing Rand out on his ass, say aye.
In which I think of libertarians and Ayn Rand. Yeah. I bet Ayn Rand would have thought that amendment was swell. (cough)
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:23:40am |
re: #411 HappyWarrior
Odds are that the buffalo burger was cooked past medium rare. Anything more and all the fat cooks out and turns it into a hockey puck.
Bison/buffalo tastes like beef should taste - and is even more lean. I wish I could get a reliable stock of the stuff. I’d eat it over any other type of meat.
Gotta say that when I was out west, I got to try elk and venison and both were quite tasty. Also got to try kangaroo and ostrich, both are pretty good. The trick - as with bison - is to not overcook.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:24:51am |
re: #422 allegro
You could try this to make it unfuckupable:
[Link: www.crateandbarrel.com…]
Ah, that’s what I need
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:25:22am |
re: #425 lawhawk
my Mother-in-law still doesn’t get that cooking meat to well done and beyond is just a waste of good meat.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:26:05am |
I poach eggs the old fashioned way.
“HONEY!! Can you poach me an egg?”
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:26:06am |
re: #424 Gus
In which I think of libertarians and Ayn Rand. Yeah. I bet Ayn Rand would have thought that amendment was swell. (cough)
My favorite part of junior year philosophy class was seeing all the people who had been conservative on bioethics issues e.g. abortion, death penalty, euthanasia, etc really dig Ayn Rand’s message. We saw the old interview with her on Phil Donahue and Phil was understandably hostile to her views, I mean she said charity was immoral, not so called forced charity mind you but charity period. It’s probably available on youtube because from what I understand it was a famous interview.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:26:15am |
Last Saturday I smoked a pork shoulder and made pulled pork sandwiches, we were literally eating some for breakfast on sunday it was so good.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:26:46am |
re: #416 HappyWarrior
Any of you ever had gator meat? My regular bar when I was at college was a New Orleans themed bar so lots of crayfish, gator, etc to be had.
Ewwwww! Perish the thought. *shudder*
I developed a severe allergy to seafood years ago, but when I used to eat it I was super picky about that too. Fish couldn’t be too “fishy” (no salmon, Gulf trout was good though) and shrimp was okay, but only it was breaded & fried. Crawdads, lobsters, crab, oysters, scallops, squid, uh-uh. No siree Bob.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:27:37am |
re: #425 lawhawk
Odds are that the buffalo burger was cooked past medium rare. Anything more and all the fat cooks out and turns it into a hockey puck.
Bison/buffalo tastes like beef should taste - and is even more lean. I wish I could get a reliable stock of the stuff. I’d eat it over any other type of meat.
Gotta say that when I was out west, I got to try elk and venison and both were quite tasty. Also got to try kangaroo and ostrich, both are pretty good. The trick - as with bison - is to not overcook.
When I worked at a country club, a salesman for exotic meats left some ostrich samples. You have to pound them like you do with Veal. I found the taste rather bland.
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:27:39am |
re: #431 HappyWarrior
My favorite part of junior year philosophy class was seeing all the people who had been conservative on bioethics issues e.g. abortion, death penalty, euthanasia, etc really dig Ayn Rand’s message. We saw the old interview with her on Phil Donahue and Phil was understandably hostile to her views, I mean she said charity was immoral, not so called forced charity mind you but charity period. It’s probably available on youtube because from what I understand it was a famous interview.
I still love the shock value of that interview.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:28:14am |
You guys missed 3 1/2 days of Florida fun. Afternoon Honcos.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:30:25am |
Rand Paul has decided he loves adding nonsense amendments to everything apparently.
D.C. budget autonomy bill pulled after amendments
A Senate committee has withdrawn consideration of a bill that would grant the district more control over its municipal budget.
District leaders asked the committee to pull the bill in response to amendments introduced by Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., that go against their priorities.
Paul wants to relax the city’s gun laws, in part by allowing residents to carry concealed weapons. He also proposed making permanent a ban on city funding for abortions, among other amendments.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:30:48am |
re: #435 Gus
I still love the shock value of that interview.
You see this old lady and you expect her to be kind and grandmotherly and then she opens her mouth. I loved that class because the professor was a master at playing devil’s advocate. I was bummed when I didn’t get him when I took poli sci as an elective senior year.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:31:56am |
Okay, I’m done trolling KT for now. Time to get back to work.
Later, lizards.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:31:58am |
re: #433 CuriousLurker
Ewww! Perish the thought. *shudder*
I developed a severe allergy to seafood years ago, but when I used to eat it I was super picky about that too. Fish couldn’t be too “fishy” (no salmon, Gulf trout was good though) and shrimp was okay, but only it was breaded & fried. Crawdads, lobsters, crab, oysters, scallops, squid, uh-uh. No siree Bob.
Oh man I love seafood though salmon really doesn’t do it for me. Crab cakes on the other hand…….
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:33:02am |
Hamas commander found guilty of killing 46 Israelis
Senior Hamas military commander Ibrahim Hamed was found guilty on Wednesday by an Israeli military court for the deaths of 46 people in terrorist attacks during the Second Intifada.
Hamed, 47, started as a Hamas operative in the 1980s. In 2001, he was released from a Palestinian Authority prison and masterminded a string of deadly attacks during the Second Intifada, including the Café Moment, Hebrew University, and Zion Square attacks in Jerusalem and the Rishon Letzion pool hall attack.
Hamed was arrested by Israeli forces in the West Bank in 2006.
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:33:14am |
re: #438 HappyWarrior
You see this old lady and you expect her to be kind and grandmotherly and then she opens her mouth. I loved that class because the professor was a master at playing devil’s advocate. I was bummed when I didn’t get him when I took poli sci as an elective senior year.
People will cherry pick on both sides of Rand. There’s a lot about Rand that many of her critics on the left would agree with. One being abortion or pro-choice. There’s also the reverse of that with her supporters on the right. People should be critical but at least she wasn’t rubbing shoulders with Jean-Claude Duvalier.
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:38:05am |
re: #414 allegro
I use chicken stock to poach them in, both for the flavor and the consistency— it helps with the spreading, as well. And I splash the broth over the top of the egg with a spatula while it simmers.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:39:00am |
re: #403 wrenchwench
Wrong. Marijuana is the mainstay, followed by coke, meth, heroin, trafficking people, kidnapping, bribes, etc. I may not have the order right, but Marijuana is #1.
you are right, it makes up 60%. but they would take up the slack by hustling more hard drugs. so we would have to legalize and regulate them as well to put a dent in the cartels.
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:39:32am |
Pam Geller and Robert Spencer’s buddies:
‘#EDL commander who led mob of 40 to barricade home of #Conservative MEP jailed for 18 months’ bit.ly/MWTtfw— Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) June 27, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:41:29am |
Taliban video shows 17 beheaded Pakistani soldiers
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan (AP) - The Taliban released a video Wednesday that they say shows the heads of 17 Pakistani soldiers captured in a cross-border raid from Afghanistan this week and beheaded.
The bloody attack showed the threat still posed by the Pakistani Taliban, despite army offensives. Increasingly, the militants have used sanctuaries in eastern Afghanistan to attack border areas in Pakistan’s northwest.
…The Pakistani Taliban said in the video that they killed 18 soldiers, but 17 heads were displayed on a bloody white sheet on the ground outside. Several militants whose faces were covered were standing around the heads, holding weapons they said were captured from the soldiers.
The Associated Press obtained the video by email Wednesday from Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan.
I surely hope this gets brought up at the next secret negotiation meeting.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:41:43am |
re: #442 Gus
People will cherry pick on both sides of Rand. There’s a lot about Rand that many of her critics on the left would agree with. One being abortion or pro-choice. There’s also the reverse of that with her supporters on the right. People should be critical but at least she wasn’t rubbing shoulders with Jean-Claude Duvalier.
Oh yeah. I wasn’t saying I think she was evil but her beliefs about helping those less off just shock me. And yeah I don’t think she ever championed a dictator like Mother Teresa did.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:43:58am |
re: #445 Expand Your Ground
you are right, it makes up 60%. but they would take up the slack by hustling more hard drugs. so we would have to legalize and regulate them as well to put a dent in the cartels.
Are you saying that if you take away 60% of their business, you haven’t made a dent? What would a dent consist of?
They don’t have to be knocked out with a single blow. They have to be dismantled piece by piece, at the same time Mexico’s justice system is severely overhaul so somebody can actually be convicted of something they really did. And the former worker bees have to find legitimate occupations.
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:44:08am |
re: #448 HappyWarrior
She thought a sociopath was kind of the ideal man, which is twisted enough. But she also wasn’t racist, for example, which is pretty rare.
There’s a really funny book called Sewer, Gas, Electric that has Ayn Rand as an AI being carried around by an ultraenvironmentalist, trying to stop a supercomputer under Disneyland from killing mankind.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:44:56am |
Well I never saw this coming…
The American Civil Liberties Union will champion a Ku Klux Klan outfit’s right to “adopt” a section of highway in Union County, an ACLU official said Tuesday — on the same day that key members of the KKK group acknowledged they live in a neighboring county.
Two weeks ago, the Georgia Department of Transportation rejected an application filed May 21 by Harley Hanson, who calls himself the exalted cyclops of the Georgia Realm of the International Keystone Knights of the KKK, and his wife.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:45:23am |
re: #450 Obdicut
She thought a sociopath was kind of the ideal man, which is twisted enough. But she also wasn’t racist, for example, which is pretty rare.
There’s a really funny book called Sewer, Gas, Electric that has Ayn Rand as an AI being carried around by an ultraenvironmentalist, trying to stop a supercomputer under Disneyland from killing mankind.
THEY FOUND ALPHA COMPLEX?
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:46:16am |
re: #450 Obdicut
She thought a sociopath was kind of the ideal man, which is twisted enough. But she also wasn’t racist, for example, which is pretty rare.
There’s a really funny book called Sewer, Gas, Electric that has Ayn Rand as an AI being carried around by an ultraenvironmentalist, trying to stop a supercomputer under Disneyland from killing mankind.
Wut?
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:46:31am |
Currently a lively debate going on between some people I know on Facebook as to whether this image is disturbing or inspiring.
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:47:54am |
re: #454 dragonfire1981
Currently a lively debate going on between some people I know on Facebook as to whether this image is disturbing or inspiring.
Can I say neither?
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:48:01am |
re: #453 Gus
There’s also a mutant great white shark swimming around under Manhattan with a watch playing Pacobel’s Canon inside it. And one of the last black men on earth using Howard Hughes golden submarine (which Hughes used to import kangaroos to freak out pot farmers) to wage ecoterrorism.
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Obdicut Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:48:41am |
re: #451 NJDhockeyfan
Really? Even though the ACLU has protected the KKK’s right to free speech previously?
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:48:45am |
re: #454 dragonfire1981
Currently a lively debate going on between some people I know on Facebook as to whether this image is disturbing or inspiring.
Little kids copying something they saw grownups do? WHEN THE HELL DID THAT START?
The image is fine, the caption is meh.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:48:48am |
re: #451 NJDhockeyfan
Well I never saw this coming…
Actually the ALCU does stuff like this all the time. I believe they were the ones who represented the neo-Nazis in Skokie. The idea that the ACLU only takes on cases far left cases is a myth.
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allegro Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:48:55am |
re: #451 NJDhockeyfan
Well I never saw this coming…
IIRC, the ACLU represented them for their Skokie parade as well.
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:49:13am |
A Senate committee has withdrawn consideration of a bill that would grant the district more control over its municipal budget.
District leaders asked the committee to pull the bill in response to amendments introduced by Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., that go against their priorities.
Paul wants to relax the city’s gun laws, in part by allowing residents to carry concealed weapons. He also proposed making permanent a ban on city funding for abortions, among other amendments.
Surely their must be away to alter the political system so a single politician can’t derail an entire bill with bullshit amendments??
This happens so often it’s ridiculous. I have never understood why politicians are allowed to add a bunch of crap into a bill that have NOTHING to do with the main purpose of the bill.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:49:29am |
re: #447 NJDhockeyfan
That’s a strike in Pakistans uncivil war. Pakistan is a couple countries it seems, one with nukes the other with 10th century ways.
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:50:37am |
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:53:17am |
The continuing saga this time picked up by the Discover Magazine blog:
Louisiana Set to Use Public Funds to Teach Creationism & Climate Denialism
Louisiana’s new voucher program will kick in during the upcoming school year, giving students in failing public schools the funds to attend certain highly rated public schools and private institutions. Some of these private schools will be spreading ignorance to their students by using curriculum that openly clashes with modern science.
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:54:41am |
Survey of Pakistani public opinion reveals little support for al-Qaeda & Taliban, via @pewresearch #Pakistan twitpic.com/a16r9u— Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) June 27, 2012
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:56:23am |
re: #465 Gus
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:56:41am |
re: #466 Be Zorch, Daddio
LIBERAL FASCISM!!!1!!
Does that come accompanied with a smiley face with a Hitler mustache?
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:57:55am |
re: #452 Kragar
THEY FOUND ALPHA COMPLEX?
Citizen, that information is classified. Please report to the nearest disintegration re-education chamber for debriefing about your acquisition of this datum.
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Kragar Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:58:06am |
Minnesota Marriage Inequality Campaign: Put Gay People To Death
If the extreme rhetoric of Minnesota for Marriage’s pastors is any indication, the campaign for Minnesota’s marriage inequality amendment is not hiding its anti-gay animus. The latest example makes it quite clear: on its Facebook wall, the campaign posted the infamous Bible passage Leviticus 20:13, which calls for gay men “to be put to death.” When commenters questioned whether it was an appropriate verse to be upholding, the official campaign defended itself by saying, “No one can deny the Word of God”:
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Gus Wed, Jun 27, 2012 10:58:12am |
re: #468 HappyWarrior
Does that come accompanied with a smiley face with a Hitler mustache?
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jun 27, 2012 11:00:19am |
re: #467 Gus
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Or mousewheel-click. I just learned that last week.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jun 27, 2012 11:01:56am |
Iran’s Vice President Makes Anti-Semitic Speech at Forum
TEHRAN — Iran’s vice president delivered a baldly anti-Semitic speech on Tuesday at an international antidrug conference here, saying that the Talmud, a central text of Judaism, was responsible for the spread of illegal drugs around the world.
European diplomats in attendance expressed shock. Even Iranian participants in the conference, co-sponsored by Iran and the United Nations, privately wondered at their government’s motive for allowing such a speech, even given its longstanding antagonism toward Israel. More than 25,000 Jews live in Iran, and they are recognized as a religious minority, with a representative in Parliament.
I don’t know why they are shocked. It’s just another day in Iran.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Jun 27, 2012 11:04:37am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jun 27, 2012 11:18:56am |
re: #449 wrenchwench
Are you saying that if you take away 60% of their business, you haven’t made a dent? What would a dent consist of?
They don’t have to be knocked out with a single blow. They have to be dismantled piece by piece, at the same time Mexico’s justice system is severely overhaul so somebody can actually be convicted of something they really did. And the former worker bees have to find legitimate occupations.
It would make a dent in them, but I suspect they would just take up the slack in some other areas. I suspect that they already have business plans in place for that eventuality…
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Jun 27, 2012 11:23:23am |
re: #473 NJDhockeyfan
Iran’s Vice President Makes Anti-Semitic Speech at Forum
I don’t know why they are shocked. It’s just another day in Iran.
Right, because we all know it isn’t Judaism that is spreading illegal drugs around the world, it is Islam.
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