Fox Gets Supreme Court Decision Totally Wrong, Not Sorry

“Fox reported the facts as they came in”
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Would you be surprised to learn that Fox News was so eager to proclaim the ACA “dead” that they rushed to air a report this morning that the Supreme Court had declared it unconstitutional? Fox News Releases Statement After Initially Reporting Individual Mandate Was ‘Gone’.

And not only did they air a false report, they’re not sorry about it. Their statement:

We gave our viewers the news as it happened. When Justice Roberts said, and we read, that the mandate was not valid under the Commerce clause, we reported it. Bill Hemmer even added, be patient as we work through this. Then when we heard and read, that the mandate could be upheld under the government’s power to tax, we reported that as well—all within two minutes.

By contrast, one other cable network was unable to get their Supreme Court reporter to the camera, and said as much. Another said it was a big setback for the President. Fox reported the facts, as they came in.

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177 comments
1 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:03:08pm

What would President Dewey have had to say about the individual mandate?

2 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:03:24pm

"You fucked up, you trusted us."

3 mr.fusion  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:03:27pm

I'm just going to admit it

I'm enjoying this feeling of schadenfreude right now

4 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:04:16pm

CNN botched it too.

5 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:04:26pm

Thank the goodness I am not staying at my in laws today. I am sure Fox News is on 11eventy.

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:04:41pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

CNN botched it too.

Yes, but they apologized for it.

7 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:05:05pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

CNN botched it too.

That's actually what got me out of bed this morning, CNN's app blipping up on my screen to declare that the ACA was "struck down."

8 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:06:00pm

When I posted my "Don't fuck up...YOU FUCKED UP!" joke last night, I never expected the reporters to be the ones who would do it.

9 nines09  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:06:08pm

Fox News. We report, you get confused. Doctored film at 11.

10 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:07:35pm

News business isn't in business of being right - it's about being first. No one knows this better than Fox or CNN. Both got it wrong. CNN is at least being contrite. Fox couldn't care less.

Heck, trying to figure out the case as it was being blogged was tough enough without worrying whether some other pundit/news outlet was getting it right.

But it once again affirms the fact that if you want news about the Court, the only place to go is scotusblog.com if you're not going to read the full text of the decision yourself (and in the PPACA case, we're talking about 200 pages including the concurrence and dissents). They've the best in the business when it comes to instant analysis, reasoning, and getting the complete picture.

11 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:07:53pm

re: #9 Some Assembly Required, Batteries Not Included,

Fox News. We report, you get confused. Doctored film at 11.

The problem was they let James O'Keefe film the proceedings and he gave them edited footage where it seemed like the SCOTUS had struck down the mandate.

12 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:08:32pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

That's actually what got me out of bed this morning, CNN's app blipping up on my screen to declare that the ACA was "struck down."

I missed the original mistake this morning and woke up to the correction. Historically this kind of thing often leads to conspiracy theories. Someone out there (glenn Beck, Alex Jones) will claim the initial reports were true but the Obama regime killed the dissenting judges and replaced them with cyborg clones.

13 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:09:04pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

I missed the original mistake this morning and woke up to the correction. Historically this kind of thing often leads to conspiracy theories. Someone out there (glenn Beck, Alex Jones) will claim the initial reports were true but the Obama regime killed the dissenting judges and replaced them with cyborg clones.

That can happen.

14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:10:41pm

And now, the crazy: Reaction to Obamacare Supreme Court Decision -- ToBeRIGHT

How could John Roberts side with the liberals?  The individual mandate is so clearly unconstitutional – even to a layperson – how could it be?

Kind of like a Vince Flynn book.  Someone got to Roberts.  I bet they got to him and told him he has to vote this way or members of his family – kids, wife, parents, whoever – were going to be killed.

Later this afternoon, it’s going to come out that Roberts was coerced.  A Secret Service agent overheard Obama and Axelrod discussing the Roberts blackmail.  He managed to get them on tape discussing it.  Later this afternoon, the whole story will come out, Roberts will issue his REAL opinion, and Obama and Axelrod will be taken away in handcuffs.

15 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:12:16pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

I missed the original mistake this morning and woke up to the correction. Historically this kind of thing often leads to conspiracy theories. Someone out there (glenn Beck, Alex Jones) will claim the initial reports were true but the Obama regime killed the dissenting judges and replaced them with cyborg clones.

Rush stopped just short of that, declaring that the dissenting position was the "original" one, but Roberts changed his vote at the last second due to "pressure" from liberals. He cites as his sources for this theory the blogs "The Volokh Conspiracy" and "Legal Theory Blog," which both are of the opinion that Roberts was originally on the side of striking down the ACA in its entirety.

16 leftynyc  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:12:18pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

And now, the crazy: Reaction to Obamacare Supreme Court Decision -- ToBeRIGHT

I really wish I wasn't enjoying their drama so much - but I simply cannot help myself.

17 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:12:31pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

How could John Roberts side with the liberals? The individual mandate is so clearly unconstitutional – even to a layperson...

I found the problem...

18 jaunte  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:12:53pm

"Kind of like a Vince Flynn book. Someone got to Roberts. I bet they got to him and told him he has to vote this way or members of his family – kids, wife, parents, whoever – were going to be killed.

Later this afternoon, it’s going to come out that Roberts was coerced. A Secret Service agent overheard Obama and Axelrod discussing the Roberts blackmail. He managed to get them on tape discussing it. Later this afternoon, the whole story will come out, Roberts will issue his REAL opinion, and Obama and Axelrod will be taken away in handcuffs."

19 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:14:40pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

Rush stopped just short of that, declaring that the dissenting position was the "original" one, but Roberts changed his vote at the last second due to "pressure" from liberals. He cites as his sources for this theory the blogs "The Volokh Conspiracy" and "Legal Theory Blog," which both are of the opinion that Roberts was originally on the side of striking down the ACA in its entirety.

Nice!

20 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:14:41pm
A Secret Service agent overheard Obama and Axelrod discussing the Roberts blackmail. He managed to get them on tape discussing it.

Same agent who had tape of Bill Clinton ordering death of Vincent Foster...

21 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:15:11pm

Issa has no evidence or suspicions Roberts was coerced, plans to request documents from the White House to prove it.

22 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:15:13pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

And now, the crazy: Reaction to Obamacare Supreme Court Decision -- ToBeRIGHT

Wow man. I knew they'd go nuts but i didn't think it'd be this nuts. and yes I am enjoying it immensely.

23 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:15:23pm

Supreme Court Upholds Power Of Congress To Make Law

wingnutz decry submission to democratic process

24 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:15:36pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

Roberts could have been initially predisposed to striking it down on Commerce Clause grounds (which he did btw), but found that it was supportable on the taxation powers granted to Congress. The dissent just as easily could have done the same, but instead went with an argument that the language was deliberately chosen to not use tax and they respected that decision, even if the outcome is that a tax was created.

25 jaunte  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:15:42pm

re: #20 Bulworth

The evidence is being flown into Mena airport tonight in an unmarked plane.

26 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:16:33pm

We gave our viewers the news as it happened. When Justice Roberts said, and we read, that the mandate was not valid

hey, why wait until the entire sentence is out of somebody's mouth???

27 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:16:55pm

Barton: Activists Hijacked 'Gay' and the Rainbow to Distort God's Blessing on Mankind

Barton: We don't even think about "gay" in the term it was, we only think it in the way of the new definition ... You know, I hadn't even thought about why they chose that word or how they came to use that word or how that became the denotation for homosexuals. I don't know.

Green: Well, when you take that or the rainbow, as Hutch was saying [is] a promise from God, isn't that part of the goal? To distort what God gave us and to distort what would normally be a blessing and be something that you enjoy and honor and worship God because of?

Barton: Well, it goes back to the Garden [of Eden.] The Serpent said "oh yeah, if you'll eat this you will have the knowledge." Eh, it wasn't the right knowledge; you got knowledge but it was a distorted form. And that's why the Bible also says that Satan appears as an angel of light - he looks like the real thing, but it's a distortion. He doesn't come to give you the good things, he comes to steal, kill, and destroy, not give you life and not give you all the good things Jesus wants to give you in John 10:10, but he looks the same when he comes. You know, he makes the same offer, it just doesn't ever work out that way. And so it's the same thing, you take something good like "gay" and you distort it into something else.

28 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:17:01pm

re: #25 jaunte

The evidence is being flown into Mena airport tonight in an unmarked plane.

a water melon will be used in place of roberts to determine how he was coerced.

29 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:17:11pm

re: #17 ShaunP

I found the problem...

No kidding. Too many Americans think they "understand" the Constitution but the reality is they don't. Sure, they know the basics but real constitutional law, the kind that trained lawyers like Roberts and others spend years studying, no they don't have a clue what that is.

30 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:17:58pm

re: #20 Bulworth

Same agent who had tape of Bill Clinton ordering death of Vincent Foster...

Are you sure that was not a guns gone walking ATF agent?
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31 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:17:58pm

re: #24 lawhawk

Roberts could have been initially predisposed to striking it down on Commerce Clause grounds (which he did btw), but found that it was supportable on the taxation powers granted to Congress. The dissent just as easily could have done the same, but instead went with an argument that the language was deliberately chosen to not use tax and they respected that decision, even if the outcome is that a tax was created.

The theory's "argument" is that Roberts was pressured, public opinion ginned up by liberals and the White House, to find some way to keep the law viable. That he read into the law that it was imposing a tax. And that this is all the work of an "activist judge," that Roberts is trying to secure his legacy by avoiding having the court declared the worst since Dred Scott.

It's the kinda theory that sounds plausible on its face, but doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.

32 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:18:26pm

re: #26 engineer cat

We gave our viewers the news as it happened. When Justice Roberts said, and we read, that the mandate was not valid

hey, why wait until the entire sentence is out of somebody's mouth???

That's right. Roberts first said "Mandate unConstitutional". Mandate struck down. He repeated it over and over. Then he said someting about taxes. //

33 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:18:47pm

I assume everybody's already seen this
Watch Full Romney Response to Health Care Ruling: "I Will Act to Repeal Obamacare"

Youtube Video
34 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:18:52pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

No kidding. Too many Americans think they "understand" the Constitution but the reality is they don't. Sure, they know the basics but real constitutional law, the kind that trained lawyers like Roberts and others spend years studying, no they don't have a clue what that is.

That's why they have constitutional scholars like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Shaun Hannity to tell them what it really says.

///

35 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:19:52pm

Fox News: Reporting the news after each single word.

36 darthstar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:19:54pm

Fox distorts the facts as they come in. The fun thing about this is that a lot of Fox viewers probably waited for the decision and quickly turned off the TV so they could go about their days knowing that Obamacare was gone...only to find out later it wasn't...though given the fact that Fox probably won't cover this decision too heavily, it could be days before some of them learn Obamacare is still alive and well.

37 mr.fusion  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:19:57pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I assume everybody's already seen this
Watch Full Romney Response to Health Care Ruling: "I Will Act to Repeal Obamacare"

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Notice that he didn't promise he would repeal....just that he would "act" to repeal it

38 Locker  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:20:07pm

I meant to do that. - Pee-wee Herman

39 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:20:22pm

The idea that Roberts was somehow pressured by liberals or public opinion is laughable. It's pretty amusing because not even a week ago this man was someone Romney and his surrogates used as a model USSC justice. Now he's made a decision they don't like and suddenly he's weak keeled liberal.

40 darthstar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:21:06pm

BREAKING: Fox News calls California for Romney. Correction to come in November.

41 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:21:15pm

Meanwhile, in the right ring...

Boehner: White House ‘Leaves Us No Other Options’ But To Find Holder In Contempt

House Speaker John Boehner said on the floor of the House Thursday that the White House decision to invoke executive privilege left Republicans no choice but to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress.

42 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:22:06pm

re: #41 Kragar

Meanwhile, in the right ring...

Boehner: White House ‘Leaves Us No Other Options’ But To Find Holder In Contempt

*coubullshitgh*

43 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:22:13pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

No kidding. Too many Americans think they "understand" the Constitution but the reality is they don't. Sure, they know the basics but real constitutional law, the kind that trained lawyers like Roberts and others spend years studying, no they don't have a clue what that is.

the onion nailed it three years ago

44 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:22:15pm

re: #37 mr.fusion

Notice that he didn't promise he would repeal...just that he would "act" to repeal it

Interesting. If I had to bet I would guess he probably would rather not repeal it but he can't say that. Still, I'm not taking my chances. Still voting for Obama.

45 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:23:04pm

re: #40 darthstar

BREAKING: Fox News calls California for Romney. Correction to come in November.

BREAKING: Foxs news declares global warming a complete hoax. Correction to come in 2100AD.

46 darthstar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:23:20pm
47 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:23:22pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

No kidding. Too many Americans think they "understand" the Constitution but the reality is they don't. Sure, they know the basics but real constitutional law, the kind that trained lawyers like Roberts and others spend years studying, no they don't have a clue what that is.

and there's also the aspect that the constitution, like other laws, is subject to case law

it's difficult enough for a non-lawyer to familiarize him/herself with the law itself, much less learn about all the precedents that have been established about them in individual cases - even lawyers have to research case law on any particular statute they're concerned with

48 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:23:27pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Interesting. If I had to bet I would guess he probably would rather not repeal it but he can't say that. Still, I'm not taking my chances. Still voting for Obama.

I don't think he expects anybody to actually ask him what he'd do after repealing it, because I doubt he really has a plan. The GOP seems to want to simply run on a platform of "Repeal It Now (We'll fix it later)"

49 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:23:54pm

re: #43 Expand Your Ground

the onion nailed it three years ago

Yeah I was thinking about that article. It's quite true. People think they understand the Constitution but they really don't. I said downstairs but I'd be honestly shocked if Limbaugh knew that the Bill of Rights wasn't part of the original document.

50 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:24:20pm

WaPo's FactChecker: Sarah Palin, ‘Death Panels’ and ‘Obamacare’
Right from the start.....

First of all, Palin is not quoting herself correctly.

Fail

51 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:25:42pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

I don't think he expects anybody to actually ask him what he'd do after repealing it, because I doubt he really has a plan. The GOP seems to want to simply run on a platform of "Repeal It Now (We'll fix it later)"

That's going to be his problem. They will start asking him and it's going to come up in the debates. He's going to need some sort of answer or at least a snappy joke or he's fucked.

52 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:25:55pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

And now, the crazy: Reaction to Obamacare Supreme Court Decision -- ToBeRIGHT

The crazy just goes on and on:

There was a story a couple years ago about a school system that took away hamburgers, pizza, chicken nuggets and all the good stuff. A bunch of liberal nuts created a menu of quinoa, bean salad, and a bunch of other crap that nobody wants to eat. It took about 3 weeks for a thriving black market food exchange to develop. The kids were buying and selling smuggled cheeseburgers and pizza. Are wonder if there are doctors who will just treat us for cash under the table?

53 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:27:53pm

re: #52 Learned Mother of Zion

The crazy just goes on and on:

I for one trust Dr. Nick's econo-clinic completely.

54 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:28:02pm

re: #52 Learned Mother of Zion

some will do it for chickens

55 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:28:18pm

re: #53 Kragar

I for one trust Dr. Nick's econo-clinic completely.

Instead of using toothpaste, use bacon.

56 Ming  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:28:28pm

The Holy Grail of the right-wing was to hurt Obama. Hurt him badly. Hurt him so badly that he would have no legacy at all. Of course, part of this includes denying him a second term. But a major part of it was to deny him his signature achievement: near-universal healthcare in all 50 states. Now, there's no way to achieve this Holy Grail.

So the wingnuts may be going through quite a process right now. Sure, they'll look the same and sound the same in the weeks and months to come, but something big has just changed.

I'm not sure how they can deny Obama any legitimacy, any Presidential legacy. Unless the economy crashes, or we somehow end up in one or more additional wars? Stay tuned.

I regret being so negative in this comment, but the intensity of the right-wing hatred towards the President does unsettle me. It really feels like schoolyard bullying, the kind that can cause very serious injury. I just have to wonder where the right-wing goes from here.

Hopefully, on the substance, this is good news. From what I understand, what is pretty much the exact same darned healthcare law is working quite well in Massachusetts, which has around 99% coverage.

57 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:28:50pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Later this afternoon, it’s going to come out that Roberts was coerced. A Secret Service agent overheard Obama and Axelrod discussing the Roberts blackmail. He managed to get them on tape discussing it. Later this afternoon, the whole story will come out, Roberts will issue his REAL opinion, and Obama and Axelrod will be taken away in handcuffs.

when does zombie ronald reagan come back?

58 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:29:10pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I assume everybody's already seen this
Watch Full Romney Response to Health Care Ruling: "I Will Act to Repeal Obamacare"

[Embedded content]

Lies per minute maxed out there.

It always kills me when people like Romney say, "if you want choice in your health care, if you don't want the government between you and your doctor, we need to get rid of Obamacare". Obviously the idea that he wants just the opposite for women is segregated off in some separate compartment in his mind when he says that. He is only speaking to men.

59 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:29:27pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

That's going to be his problem. They will start asking him and it's going to come up in the debates. He's going to need some sort of answer or at least a snappy joke or he's fucked.

Thing is, he has none, besides the empty BS of "We'll pass 'market-based reforms'" or "We'll put patients in control of their healthcare." Yet, when pressed, I figure he'll offered up something like "tort reform" or "buying insurance over state lines."

60 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:29:54pm

Licensed Medical practitioners held to standards and regulations are just liberal elitist snobs, trying to keep alternative medical practices down.

I see trepanning and balancing of bodily humours making a big comeback.

61 brennant  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:31:00pm

re: #60 Kragar

Licensed Medical practitioners held to standards and regulations are just liberal elitist snobs, trying to keep alternative medical practices down.

I see trepanning and balancing of bodily humours making a big comeback.

I recently balanced my bodily humours. Thank God or the iPad, it took awhile.

62 darthstar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:31:08pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I posted a comment under a pseudonym...let's see if it gets through.

Image: rt.png

63 Kruk  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:32:31pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

No kidding. Too many Americans think they "understand" the Constitution but the reality is they don't. Sure, they know the basics but real constitutional law, the kind that trained lawyers like Roberts and others spend years studying, no they don't have a clue what that is.

I wonder if anyone will be dumb enough to use the talking point that being a constitutional law professor isn't good preparation for being president ever again.

Obama played a great constitutional chess game. And he won.

64 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:33:55pm

re: #56 Ming

I regret being so negative in this comment, but the intensity of the right-wing hatred towards the President does unsettle me. It really feels like schoolyard bullying, the kind that can cause very serious injury. I just have to wonder where the right-wing goes from here.

You hit it right on the head. The right wing has only one tactic these days: to double down and shout louder.

Face it guys, Congress passed it, the President signed it and the Supreme Court upheld it. Were you guys too busy playing pocket pool to attention in Civics class when they taught you how the US government worked?

65 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:34:09pm

re: #63 Kruk

I wonder if anyone will be dumb enough to use the talking point that being a constitutional law professor isn't good preparation for being president ever again.

Obama played a great constitutional chess game. And he won.

It will happen, remember constitutional law profs are elitists.

66 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:34:19pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

Lies per minute maxed out there.

It always kills me when people like Romney say, "if you want choice in your health care, if you don't want the government between you and your doctor, we need to get rid of Obamacare". Obviously the idea that he wants just the opposite for women is segregated off in some separate compartment in his mind when he says that. He is only speaking to men.

He's not speaking to men like me, diagnosed with idiopathic hypertension and taking three meds a day. ACA means that I can join state healthcare pools as a freelancer, instead of having to work for a large corporation to get guaranteed coverage for my condition. Last employer based healthcare plan I had, before the pre-existing condition clause went into effect, made me wait six additional months before they'd cover anything related to my condition.

67 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:34:56pm

Mitt's got to love this:

Justice Ginsburg: ‘Congress Followed Massachusetts’ On Individual Mandate

Massachusetts, Congress was told, cracked the adverse selection problem. By requiring most residents to obtain insurance … the Commonwealth ensured that insurers would not be left with only the sick as customers. As a result, federal lawmakers observed, Massachusetts succeeded where other States had failed.

In cou­pling the minimum coverage provision with guaranteed­ issue and community-rating prescriptions, Congress followed Massachusetts’ lead.

68 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:35:10pm

Dramatic Breitbart hamster says:

69 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:35:47pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

Lies per minute maxed out there.

It always kills me when people like Romney say, "if you want choice in your health care, if you don't want the government between you and your doctor, we need to get rid of Obamacare". Obviously the idea that he wants just the opposite for women is segregated off in some separate compartment in his mind when he says that. He is only speaking to men.

I noticed that too. I'm pretty sure Obamacare actually reduces the deficit and the "cuts" to medicare are actually lowered operating costs.

70 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:36:27pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

He's not speaking to men like me, diagnosed with idiopathic hypertension and taking three meds a day. ACA means that I can join state healthcare pools as a freelancer, instead of having to work for a large corporation to get guaranteed coverage for my condition. Last employer based healthcare plan I had, before the pre-existing condition clause went into effect, made me wait six additional months before they'd cover anything related to my condition.

Rush was blathering on about that towards the latter part of his show, about how this means everybody's gonna lose their job-based health insurance. Thing is, I've spoken with wingnuts and Paulians who assert that that one step in the "right direction" is disconnecting insurance from employment. That you can't get anywhere in a system where people are tied to their jobs, especially after they get sick, for fear that the market will block them out once they lose that job.

71 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:36:47pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Dramatic Breitbart hamster says:

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"Take to your bunker! Count your gold and survival seeds. Ready your first 30 guns. Winter is coming."

72 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:37:15pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Dramatic Breitbart hamster says:

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73 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:37:36pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Dramatic Breitbart hamster says:

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Yeah Shapiro, great idea. Phrase it in such a way that the conspiracy theorists think that all hope is lost unless they take up arms against the government.

///^nth

74 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:37:57pm

re: #67 Kragar

Mitt's got to love this:

Justice Ginsburg: ‘Congress Followed Massachusetts’ On Individual Mandate

This is too good. If Mitt were smart rather than a craven opportunist, he would have ran with pride on the Massachusetts system that he helped get made into law but he cared more about pandering to a right wing base than actually doing the right thing. It's almost sad.

75 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:38:27pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

Yeah Shapiro, great idea. Phrase it in such a way that the conspiracy theorists think that all hope is lost unless they take up arms against the government.

///^nth

They've got to make sure they've got news to report.

76 Lidane  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:38:43pm

re: #63 Kruk

I wonder if anyone will be dumb enough to use the talking point that being a constitutional law professor isn't good preparation for being president ever again.

Obama played a great constitutional chess game. And he won.

Pfft. They'll just say he is an intellectual elitist and snob.

Remember-- Romney's on record supporting a Constitutional amendment mandating business experience as a qualification for POTUS. There are plenty of idiots who will go along with that and with the notion that a Constitutional law professor has no business making Constitutional arguments.

77 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:38:55pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Dramatic Breitbart hamster says:

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Sounds like one of those anarchists the right claims to hate. Shapiro's a whiny little child.

78 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:39:38pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

Rush was blathering on about that towards the latter part of his show, about how this means everybody's gonna lose their job-based health insurance. Thing is, I've spoken with wingnuts and Paulians who assert that that one step in the "right direction" is disconnecting insurance from employment. That you can't get anywhere in a system where people are tied to their jobs, especially after they get sick, for fear that the market will block them out once they lose that job.

Did you catch the part where he was complaining the SCOTUS ruled it was OK to lie because of the 1st Amendment?

79 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:40:00pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Dramatic Breitbart hamster says:

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The enthusiasm gap could not be more obvious.

In Election 2012, the campaign is about more than repealing Obamacare. It is about restoring the American people to their original roles, as steadfast and tireless guardians of their own liberty. Mitt Romney is an imperfect vessel for the freedom and liberty message. No matter. He is responsible to us, not the other way around. We must elect him, and we must hold him accountable. The same goes for our other politicians. They work for us. Now let them earn their pay.

The Constitution lives and dies with us. It always has. And we have an obligation to defend and protect it.

OMG! It's the end of the world so hold your nose and vote for the rino!

80 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:40:37pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

This is too good. If Mitt were smart rather than a craven opportunist, he would have ran with pride on the Massachusetts system that he helped get made into law but he cared more about pandering to a right wing base than actually doing the right thing. It's almost sad.

If he'd run on Romneycare, the party would have hung him by his toes from the nearest yardarm. He had no choice, if he wanted the nomination, he had to put as much distance between him and his one major gubernatorial accomplishment.

81 jaunte  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:40:57pm
82 blueraven  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:41:18pm

Drudge got it wrong too

[Link: dailydish.typepad.com...]

83 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:41:32pm

re: #78 Kragar

Did you catch the part where he was complaining the SCOTUS ruled it was OK to lie because of the 1st Amendment?

Yeah, but it was totally wrong to do so, because it means dipshits at the bar can go back to telling the ladies that they're a Navy SEAL who served in Iraq and offering to show them their "scars."

84 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:42:03pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

If he'd run on Romneycare, the party would have hung him by his toes from the nearest yardarm. He had no choice, if he wanted the nomination, he had to put as much distance between him and his one major gubernatorial accomplishment.

Well there's one byproduct of valuing power above principle.

85 jaunte  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:42:13pm
86 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:42:24pm

"We'll pass 'market-based law of the jungle reforms'"

87 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:43:54pm

re: #78 Kragar

Did you catch the part where he was complaining the SCOTUS ruled it was OK to lie because of the 1st Amendment?

I think the SCOTUS was telling us that it is not the government's job to protect you from being a gullible idiot...

88 Interesting Times  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:45:12pm

What is this I don't even:

89 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:45:24pm

re: #87 Expand Your Ground

I think the SCOTUS was telling us that it is not the government's job to protect you from being a gullible idiot...

SCOTUS, at least from what I gathered, said so long as you don't materially profit off the lie, then there's nothing illegal about it. Or, in other words, the justices didn't agree that lying about serving in Desert Storm to pick up chicks is illegal.

90 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:45:24pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

Rush was blathering on about that towards the latter part of his show, about how this means everybody's gonna lose their job-based health insurance. Thing is, I've spoken with wingnuts and Paulians who assert that that one step in the "right direction" is disconnecting insurance from employment. That you can't get anywhere in a system where people are tied to their jobs, especially after they get sick, for fear that the market will block them out once they lose that job.

I hope we do decouple the private healthcare market from employment, like Switzerland and Germany have done. They've proven that this kind of system can operate very effectively. Of course one thing they've also done to keep costs down is prevent making a profit off of basic care.

"To compete in the market for compulsory health insurance, a Swiss health insurer must be registered with the Swiss Federal Office of Public Health, which regulates health insurance under the 1994 statute. The insurers were not allowed to earn profits from the mandated benefit package, although they have always been able to profit from the sale of actuarially priced supplementary benefits (mainly superior amenities).

Regulations require "a 25-year-old and an 80-year-old individual pay a given insurer the same premium for the same type of policy..Overall, then, the Swiss health system is a variant of the highly government-regulated social insurance systems of Europe..that rely on ostensibly private, nonprofit health insurers that also are subject to uniform fee schedules and myriad government regulations."

91 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:45:32pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

Yeah, but it was totally wrong to do so, because it means dipshits at the bar can go back to telling the ladies that they're a Navy SEAL who served in Iraq and offering to show them their "scars."

So instead they would have to claim they were cops or firefighters instead.

They didn't say the whole law was bad, just that it was too broad as it was currently written. I agree with the idea behind the law in principle, but if it was written or executed inaccurately, then its a good idea to fix it.

92 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:46:17pm

re: #88 Interesting Times

That's a fake account. Notice the name.

93 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:46:18pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I noticed that too. I'm pretty sure Obamacare actually reduces the deficit and the "cuts" to medicare are actually lowered operating costs.

i think the cuts to medicare actually are to the part that bush put in where you are allowed to use your medicare dollars to buy private health insurance. it was really expensive, so getting rid of it will put a significant amount of cash back into the budget

but on the first point, that there should be a net cut in the deficit because of the law, i think that's supposed to be correct, altho it is an estimation of the resulting future balance sheet and not a hard fact

94 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:46:30pm

re: #88 Interesting Times

What is this I don't even:

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It's a spoof account.

95 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:46:36pm

re: #88 Interesting Times

What is this I don't even:

[Embedded content]

Saint Sarah is simply distributing Derp to the masses.

Its so cute that she thinks she's still relevant.

96 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:47:30pm

re: #91 Kragar

So instead they would have to claim they were cops or firefighters instead.

They didn't say the whole law was bad, just that it was too broad as it was currently written. I agree with the idea behind the law in principle, but if it was written or executed accurately, then its a good idea to fix it.

I agree that making it a criminal act to profit in some material way, but that's as far as I'm willing to take it. Making it a criminal act to lie 'bout military service just to bullshit your way into a woman's panties verges on thought crime territory.

97 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:47:45pm

Interesting - with the LGF font styles for embedded tweets, it's much easier to see when someone uses a capital I (aye) instead of a lower case l (ell).

98 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:47:48pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

That's a fake account. Notice the name.

Ah good catch, the capital I gives it away upon second glance.

99 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:48:26pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

That's a fake account. Notice the name.

Ah, her actual account hasn't been much better today.

100 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:49:09pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Instead of using toothpaste, use bacon.

Baconnaise!

101 Gus  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:49:29pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Dramatic Breitbart hamster says:

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DUN-dun-DUN-dun-DUN-dun!

[Dobro slide.]

102 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:50:07pm

re: #99 Kragar

Ah, her actual account hasn't been much better today.

Yaeh she's been accusing the president of lying for saying it wasn't a tax increase. Ignoring the fact she claimed there would be death panels and that the bill was an assault on the Constitution. I really wish her and her family would fade into obscurity. She's a byproduct of the worst parts of fame creation.

103 Interesting Times  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:50:46pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Interesting - with the LGF font styles for embedded tweets, it's much easier to see when someone uses a capital I (aye) instead of a lower case l (ell).

Yes, I see that now.

/fucking Arial, how does it work?

104 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:51:04pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

I agree that making it a criminal act to profit in some material way, but that's as far as I'm willing to take it. Making it a criminal act to lie 'bout military service just to bullshit your way into a woman's panties verges on thought crime territory.

I read about a case in Israel where an Palestinian man was prosecuted for rape for lying to a woman that he was Jewish in order to sleep with her. "Deceit Rape" case

105 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:51:12pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Yaeh she's been accusing the president of lying for saying it wasn't a tax increase. Ignoring the fact she claimed there would be death panels and that the bill was an assault on the Constitution. I really wish her and her family would fade into obscurity. She's a byproduct of the worst parts of fame creation.

Doesn't she have a reality show she has to go...

Oh yeah, it got cancelled due to shitty ratings. Never mind.

106 Lidane  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:51:48pm

re: #105 Kragar

Doesn't she have a reality show she has to go...

Oh yeah, it got cancelled due to shitty ratings. Never mind.

Don't worry. She'll still find a way to convince the morons that she's a serious person worth giving money to.

107 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:52:01pm

re: #103 Interesting Times

Yes, I see that now.

/fucking Arial, how does it work?

UNDER THE SEA!

108 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:52:17pm

From a Jaunte retweet:

In a closed door House GOP meeting Thursday, Indiana congressman and gubernatorial candidate Mike Pence likened the Supreme Court's ruling upholding the Democratic health care law to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, according to several sources present.

He immediately apologized.

"My remarks at the Republican Conference following the Supreme Court decision were thoughtless. I certainly did not intend to minimize any tragedy our nation has faced and I apologize," Pence said in a statement to POLITICO.

Pence is a former member of Republican leadership who is considered the frontrunner to become governor of Indiana.

What he meant to minimize was the tragedy of millions of uninsured Americans.

109 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:52:30pm

re: #103 Interesting Times

Yes, I see that now.

/fucking Arial, how does it work?

LOL. I left you a present in the circumcision thread.

Wait ... that just sounds disgusting.

110 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:53:04pm

re: #104 Expand Your Ground

I read about a case in Israel where an Palestinian man was prosecuted for rape for lying to a woman that he was Jewish in order to sleep with her. "Deceit Rape" case

Huh, learn something new every day.

111 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:53:11pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

LOL. I left you a present in the circumcision thread.

Wait ... that just sounds disgusting.

"Its a wallet, but when you rub it, it turns into a briefcase."

112 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:54:28pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

From a Jaunte retweet:

What he meant to minimize was the tragedy of millions of uninsured Americans.

Same guy compared Obama to Hitler three years ago. And to show he's not some fringe nut within the party like say Charles Barron. Mike Pence is running for governor in Indiana. If I survived 9-11 or had a relative that died, I'd be calling Pence's office so fast to give the bastard a piece of my mind.

113 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:54:39pm

re: #104 Expand Your Ground

I read about a case in Israel where an Palestinian man was prosecuted for rape for lying to a woman that he was Jewish in order to sleep with her. "Deceit Rape" case

if every man who lied to a woman in order to get her to sleep with him were prosecuted for a crime...

114 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:54:41pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

People like Pence make those kinds of statements deliberately to get their names into the news. He knew it would upset people.

115 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:54:44pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Huh, learn something new every day.

I thought rape had someting to do with force or coercion, but in this case it was mainly about being Palestinian...

116 Gus  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:55:50pm

If figured it out. Ben Shapiro and all those guys are "playing fort." It's like they're 5 years old and playing "cowboys and Indians" all over again.

117 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:56:29pm

re: #113 engineer cat

if every man who lied to a woman in order to get her to sleep with him were prosecuted for a crime...

"No, I really do care about you, baby"
"Step out of the bed with your hands up sir."

118 Gus  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:57:17pm

This means #WAR!

"BANG! You're dead."

"Come on Mikey you're supposed to fall to teh ground and play dead now."

//

119 Atlas Fails  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:57:29pm

I'm late to the party, so I'm just gonna add my two cents right now.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

120 Lidane  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:57:54pm

OT, but freaking FINALLY. After more than three weeks of sending out dozens of applications I have a job interview tomorrow. Hallelujah.

121 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:58:00pm

how is everyone liking their marxism so far?

122 erik_t  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:58:24pm

re: #121 SpaceJesus

how is everyone liking their marxism so far?

Commulicious!

123 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:58:27pm

What I love is how they claim to have a love for America and America's strength the minute the country does something they don't like such as the USSC upholding ACA or various states passing legalization of gay marriage, they start to talk about how God will damn this country and the country is doomed. Talk about fair weather patriots. I guess America is only America if people are denied health care or told they can't get married to who they love.

124 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:58:50pm

re: #121 SpaceJesus

how is everyone liking their marxism so far?

Sehr gut!

125 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:59:02pm

re: #121 SpaceJesus

how is everyone liking their marxism so far?

I grew a beard, oh wait had that when I left for work today.

126 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:59:20pm

re: #120 Lidane

OT, but freaking FINALLY. After more than three weeks of sending out dozens of applications I have a job interview tomorrow. Hallelujah.

Youtube Video

Congrats.

127 mr.fusion  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:59:26pm

re: #88 Interesting Times

What is this I don't even:

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That can't be real

128 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:59:35pm

re: #121 SpaceJesus

Trotskyite! You didn't capitalize Marx! /Lenin

129 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 12:59:54pm

re: #121 SpaceJesus

how is everyone liking their marxism so far?

A bit tarty. Pass the sugar.

130 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:00:12pm

good to see comrades, carry on.

131 brennant  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:00:49pm

re: #130 SpaceJesus

I would respond, but I have to get my Trabant started.

132 Gus  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:00:50pm

re: #130 SpaceJesus

good to see comrades, carry on.

Fellow travelers.

Tomorrow we confiscate their gunz!!!!!

133 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:01:12pm

re: #121 SpaceJesus

how is everyone liking their marxism so far?

Khorosho!

134 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:01:23pm

re: #121 SpaceJesus

how is everyone liking their marxism so far?

I think there is something wrong with mine.

Youtube Video
135 brennant  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:01:52pm

re: #134 Kragar

I think there is something wrong with mine.


[Video]

[golf clap]

136 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:02:28pm

And now begins the portion of the afternoon where the male Feline Overlord repeatedly & loudly demands his time outdoors, so that he may dine up cellulose stalks and test how far he can move beyond our dwelling's boundaries before he gets in trouble.

137 mr.fusion  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:02:53pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

People like Pence make those kinds of statements deliberately to get their names into the news. He knew it would upset people.

.....and to raise money. Just ask Joe Walsh, Alan West....hell, even Al Grayson

138 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:03:24pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

What I love is how they claim to have a love for America and America's strength the minute the country does something they don't like such as the USSC upholding ACA or various states passing legalization of gay marriage, they start to talk about how God will damn this country and the country is doomed. Talk about fair weather patriots. I guess America is only America if people are denied health care or told they can't get married to who they love.

There is method to their madness: it is called Dominionism. Namely, AMerica is only strong as long as its laws replect and uphold (thier narrow, bigoted view of ) God's Divine Laws.

The second we stray from it by allowing things like abortion, contraception, gay marriage, individual mandates, legalized prostitution, drugs or gambling, etc., we are shaking our fists at God and inciting him to smite us mightily.

139 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:03:29pm

re: #121 SpaceJesus

how is everyone liking their marxism so far?

Feels warm, but smells of cabbage.

140 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:06:11pm

re: #134 Kragar

I think there is something wrong with mine.

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Have to agree. Way wrong.

141 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:07:20pm

re: #121 SpaceJesus

how is everyone liking their marxism so far?

Haven't even had a chance to taste it yet, binge drinking wingnut tears while they're still fresh and warm.

142 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:07:27pm

From CO Gov. Hickenlooper on the benefits of PPACA to his state's residents:

A number of important aspects of the law are already improving the lives of many Coloradans based on implementation of the Affordable Care Act in Colorado:

• 1,331 people with pre-existing conditions have received coverage through a new high risk pool, GettingUsCovered.
• 43,997 young adults in Colorado have gained insurance coverage.
• More than 380,000 seniors have taken advantage of preventative services – such as mammograms and colonoscopies – or a free annual wellness visit with their doctor.
• Nearly 1 million individuals in Colorado with private health insurance have gained preventive service coverage.
• Almost 2 million residents, including 696,000 women and 521,000 children, are free from worrying about lifetime limits on coverage – freeing cancer patients and individuals suffering from other chronic diseases from having to worry about going without treatment.
• 40,000 people with Medicare in Colorado have received a $250 rebate and discounts to help cover the cost of their prescription drugs when they hit the Medicare coverage gap.

143 erik_t  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:07:56pm

re: #131 brennant

I would respond, but I have to get my Trabant started.

See you Tuesday!

144 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:08:00pm

re: #37 mr.fusion

Notice that he didn't promise he would repeal...just that he would "act" to repeal it

Which arguably is correct. Mitt Romney is not running to be part of the Legislative Branch.

145 jaunte  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:08:43pm

Former GOP Spokesman: 'Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?'

146 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:09:24pm

re: #145 jaunte

Former GOP Spokesman: 'Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?'

...

*facepalm*

147 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:10:41pm
148 Lidane  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:10:49pm

re: #145 jaunte

Former GOP Spokesman: 'Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?'

I'm sure the Freepers are currently finding reasons as we speak.

149 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:10:57pm

re: #145 jaunte

Former GOP Spokesman: 'Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?'

Last I heard, the Congress that passed ACA, the President who signed it and the Supreme Court who approved were all elected or appointed legally and fairly.

Armed rebellion is justified against tyrants and usurpers, not against just anyone you disagree with.

150 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:11:19pm

re: #145 jaunte

Former GOP Spokesman: 'Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?'

Just so they are aware that I will "stand my ground".

151 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:11:28pm

re: #145 jaunte

Former GOP Spokesman: 'Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?'

Fucktards like this dipshit are going to get people killed.

152 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:11:32pm

re: #121 SpaceJesus

how is everyone liking their marxism so far?

apparently teabaggers believe that stalinism is the tyrannical imposition of food stamp and unemployment benefits

153 Atlas Fails  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:11:38pm

re: #145 jaunte

Former GOP Spokesman: 'Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?'

Spoiler alert: No.

154 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:11:56pm

re: #147 wrenchwench

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Sign in men's restroom of Chinese restaurant: "Employees must wash chopsticks"

155 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:12:18pm

I was listening to NPR Sirius in the car and Diane Rehm also misreported it and fell over herself apologizing at the end of the hour. She was listening to the journalists on the scene and repeating what she heard from them.

How is the day so far?

156 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:12:19pm

re: #149 Expand Your Ground

Last I heard, the Congress that passed ACA, the President who signed it and the Supreme Court who approved were all elected legally and fairly.

Armed rebellion is justified against tyrants and usurpers, not against just anyone you disagree with.

You're forgetting you're talking about wingnuts, who view all of the above as totally illegitimate because they and their buddies don't think they should be legal.

157 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:12:39pm

re: #145 jaunte

Former GOP Spokesman: 'Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?'

I think psychotherapy may be justified here if he thinks an armed uprising to respond to a supreme court decision you don't like.

158 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:12:45pm

re: #152 engineer cat

apparently teabaggers believe that stalinism is the tyrannical imposition of food stamp and unemployment benefits

teabaggers and other RW whackos are very quickly becoming what they fear and hate the most.

159 Lidane  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:14:48pm

re: #151 Kragar

Fucktards like this dipshit are going to get people crazy lone wolves killed.

FTFY. The moment anyone seriously "takes up arms" against the American government over Obamacare, the entire right wing will disavow them and their actions.

160 Shvaughn  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:14:54pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

... they start to talk about how God will damn this country and the country is doomed. Talk about fair weather patriots.

But remember, Jeremiah Wright said something once!

161 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:14:58pm

re: #158 ggt

teabaggers and other RW whackos are very quickly becoming what they fear and hate the most.

Intelligent, reasonable people? I don't see that happening.

162 Kragar  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:15:48pm

re: #159 Lidane

FTFY. The moment anyone seriously "takes up arms" against the American government over Obamacare, the entire right wing will disavow them and their actions.

Their victims being dirty liberals who only have themselves to blame.

163 jaunte  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:15:48pm

Stochastic bitching&moaning.

164 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:15:56pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

I think psychotherapy may be justified here if he thinks an armed uprising to respond to a supreme court decision you don't like.

Or maybe re-education camp. Oh, wait. We don't have those. If we did he might have a point.

165 Shvaughn  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:16:36pm

re: #145 jaunte

Former GOP Spokesman: 'Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?'

Seditious, traitorous fucks.

We fought one war against their type before, and we won. Why would they want to risk defeat again?

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:17:14pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

Or maybe re-education camp. Oh, wait. We don't have those. If we did he might have a point.

I'm thinking rehab. I seriously wonder how much of the outrage is driven by Budweiser.

167 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:18:21pm

Gotta love comparing this to the American Revolution too. So tired of hearing "No taxation without representation." The people who passed ACA are people who were elected directly by the people. Now you may not like what they did but it was legal, constitutional, and the people who did it were democratically elected. You can say it sucks all you want and that's your right but one cannot claim that ACA was done undemocratically.

168 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:19:12pm

re: #165 Shvaughn

Seditious, traitorous fucks.

We fought one war against their type before, and we won. Why would they want to risk defeat again?

Because the morons think the left are a bunch of pussies who don't know how to defend themselves. They think it would be a cakewalk.

169 Shvaughn  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:20:23pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Gotta love comparing this to the American Revolution too. So tired of hearing "No taxation without representation." The people who passed ACA are people who were elected directly by the people.

Yeah, apparently they don't understand what the concept of "no taxation without representation" actually meant.

And they call themselves Americans?

170 Mattand  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:20:47pm

re: #155 ggt

I was listening to NPR Sirius in the car and Diane Rehm also misreported it and fell over herself apologizing at the end of the hour. She was listening to the journalists on the scene and repeating what she heard from them.

How is the day so far?

Object Lesson:

NPR gets HCR reporting wrong and profusely apologizes.

Fox News gets it wrong and says, "Fuck you."

171 Shvaughn  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:21:17pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Because the morons think the left are a bunch of pussies who don't know how to defend themselves. They think it would be a cakewalk.

They should really compare notes with Al Qaeda. I'm sure Osama bin Laden has an opinion on the pussiness of Democrats.

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:21:59pm

re: #170 Mattand

Object Lesson:

NPR gets HCR reporting wrong and profusely apologizes.

Fox News gets it wrong and says, "Fuck you."

female vs. arrogant male style of journalism?

173 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:23:37pm

re: #169 Shvaughn

Yeah, apparently they don't understand what the concept of "no taxation without representation" actually meant.

And they call themselves Americans?

Right. We had a legit gripe with the British because we weren't electing the parliamentarians raising our taxes. This is just "Wahh the government implemented a policy I don't like."

174 Atlas Fails  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:29:50pm

re: #172 ggt

female vs. arrogant male style of journalism?

More like actual journalism vs. butthurt, fucktarded propaganda peddlers.

175 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:35:39pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

No kidding. Too many Americans think they "understand" the Constitution but the reality is they don't. Sure, they know the basics but real constitutional law, the kind that trained lawyers like Roberts and others spend years studying, no they don't have a clue what that is.

A lot of people forget that President Obama taught constitutional law...

176 Shvaughn  Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:41:11pm

re: #175 SunshineSuperman

A lot of people forget that President Obama taught constitutional law...

I'd say the Right got a big lesson today, but one they won't learn from. They'd better study up, though, the final exam is in November!

177 labman57  Sat, Jun 30, 2012 5:16:37pm

It's not really their fault. The final report issued by the Supreme Court had too many pages and contained too many big words, and there was no Cliff Notes version provided.

In short, the right wing propaganda peddlers at FOX News didn't apologize for screwing up their reporting of the SCOTUS decision on the ACA because, in their minds, they never make mistakes and are never wrong.


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