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1 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:04:45pm

Because at this point, they have so many other options just waiting in the wings.

The GOP convention is going to be awesome.

2 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:07:58pm

Hey, Repubs, you gotta dance with those you brung.

3 jaunte  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:09:25pm

...An agitated Rick Santorum on Sunday called Mitt Romney "the worst Republican in the country to put up against Barack Obama"

Ron Paul!

4 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:10:12pm

re: #3 jaunte

...An agitated Rick Santorum on Sunday called Mitt Romney "the worst Republican in the country to put up against Barack Obama"

Ron Paul!

You had your chance Rick, sit the fuck down.

5 erik_t  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:10:32pm

They saw this coming for a whole year and couldn't dredge up anyone vaguely competent enough to stop him.

This is no surprise. That's why it's so funny.

6 Mich-again  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:12:33pm

re: #1 Kragar

The GOP convention is going to be awesome.

I'm thinking it'll be a mixture of So You Think You Can Dance?, The Biggest Loser and the 700 Club. Guest appearance by Bill de Nye, the Anti-science guy.

7 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:13:02pm

the baggers refuse to take the hint that the corporatocracy wants them to shut up and swallow mitt like the nice oompa-loompas they're supposed to be

actually, i give the baggers credit for not taking it lying down

8 Four More Beers  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:13:30pm

But if Romney won't fight for conservative principles, the Tea Party is going to start looking elsewhere--fast.

Is that a threat or a promise, Breitbrat?
//

9 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:13:56pm

re: #6 Mich-again

I'm thinking it'll be a mixture of So You Think You Can Dance?, The Biggest Loser and the 700 Club. Guest appearance by Bill de Nye, the Anti-science guy.

And don't forget our special guest...

10 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:15:13pm

re: #7 engineer cat

the baggers refuse to take the hint that the corporatocracy wants them to shut up and swallow mitt like the nice oompa-loompas they're supposed to be

actually, i give the baggers credit for not taking it lying down

They're the yipping chihuahuas of democracy.

11 Four More Beers  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:15:37pm
Here’s one of those rare moments when I agree with Breitbart.com wingnut Joel Pollak: Mitt Romney should just quit.

Is the hangar opening for the flying pig, Charles?
/

12 jaunte  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:17:03pm

There's nothing they can do about Mitt's inevitability and it's unbearable.

13 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:17:05pm

re: #11 How Am I Gonna Get My Sixty Goals??!!

Is the hangar opening for the flying pig, Charles?
/

More of a King Louis than a flying pig.

"Sire, the peasants are revolting!"
"You said it. They stink on ice!"

14 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:19:29pm
Here’s one of those rare moments when I agree with Breitbart.com wingnut Joel Pollak: Mitt Romney should just quit.

Falls over in a dead faint. CHARLES agrees with Breitbart dot com?

15 Mich-again  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:20:09pm

If the Tea Party does not come out to support Mitt in big numbers, he doesn't stand a chance. Some of them may decide to sit out 2012 and regroup for 2016 when they can nominate a real conservative.

In the last election in France, Sarkozy tried to warm up to the far right group Le Pen for their support, but when it came down to actually voting, Le Pen withdrew their support for Sarkozy because he was too much of a centrist and they left him swinging in the breeze.

16 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:20:17pm

re: #14 Dancing along the light of day

Falls over in a dead faint. CHARLES agrees with Breitbart dot com?

BEHAVE YOURSELVES!

Oh crap, now I'm doing it.

17 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:20:58pm

re: #1 Kragar

The GOP convention is going to be awesome.

Tempest in Tampa!

/needs work

18 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:21:30pm

Gotta sting somethin' fierce, to have all these "wins" and yet be totally unable to capitalize on them.

19 ghazidor  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:22:57pm

re: #1 Kragar

Because at this point, they have so many other options just waiting in the wings.

The GOP convention is going to be awesome.

Laup Nor / Luap Dnar 2012!
Father and Son Together / To Take on The Fed!
(and also legalize marijuana, Woohoo!)

/

20 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:23:29pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

Tempest in Tampa!

/needs work

The Tussle in Tampa!

21 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:25:46pm

re: #20 Kragar

The Tussle in Tampa!

The Tumult in Tampa!

22 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:25:51pm

re: #15 Mich-again

If the Tea Party does not come out to support Mitt in big numbers, he doesn't stand a chance. Some of them may decide to sit out 2012 and regroup for 2016 when they can nominate a real conservative.

In the last election in France, Sarkozy tried to warm up to the far right group Le Pen for their support, but when it came down to actually voting, Le Pen withdrew their support for Sarkozy because he was too much of a centrist and they left him swinging in the breeze.

This analogy has one striking handicap, Hollande wasn't black.

23 Mich-again  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:26:43pm

The Paulians will be a farce to be reckoned with at the GOP convention.

24 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:26:56pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

The Tumult in Tampa!

The Bore-ida in Florida!

25 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:27:06pm

"See, the Supreme Court declared it's a tax! A huge tax on the middle class! We can use this!"

"No we can't."

"Why not?"

"Well, Romneycare has the exact same tax."

"No problem, we'll get Romney out there to prove that there's a difference!"

"Sorry, he's on record saying it's not a tax, it's a fee."

"...those primaries weren't binding, were they?"

26 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:28:54pm

If I may take a moment to clarify:

Charles doesn't like Romney because he is a boring, out of touch rich guy with no morals or integrity that constantly changes his message depending on who he's speaking to and refuses to take responsibility for his actions or stand firm on his positions. Also, he was kind of a douche in school.

Joel Pollak doesn't like Romney because he isn't a raging wingnut theocrat (though he tries to play one on TV) and a "Washington outsider" who is uber concerned about Muslims, Agenda 21 and OMG SOCIALISM!

Bit of a difference there.

27 BongGhazi  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:29:42pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

Tempest in Tampa!

/needs work

How about 'The Brain Crampa in Tampa!"

28 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:30:18pm

re: #15 Mich-again

If the Tea Party does not come out to support Mitt in big numbers, he doesn't stand a chance. Some of them may decide to sit out 2012 and regroup for 2016 when they can nominate a real conservative.

If there's one thing the Tea Party hates more than Mitt Romney it's Barack Obama. If Romney was running against someone else, I'd say he'd have a difficult time dredging up much Tea Party support, but these people are SO determined to try and get rid of Obama I expect many of them will simply hold their noses and vote for Romney anyway.

29 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:31:12pm

The Tampon Convention

Because they're white, uptight, and out of sight, and also that whole transvaginal ultrasound thing...

30 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:31:51pm

This year's GOP convention sponsored by Clorox.

31 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:32:24pm

re: #30 dragonfire1981

This year's GOP convention sponsored by Clorox Kotex.

32 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:34:29pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

OMG! You are too funny!

33 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:34:47pm

The Temper Tantrum in Tampa!

34 Mich-again  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:35:12pm

re: #28 dragonfire1981

If there's one thing the Tea Party hates more than Mitt Romney it's Barack Obama. If Romney was running against someone else, I'd say he'd have a difficult time dredging up much Tea Party support, but these people are SO determined to try and get rid of Obama I expect many of them will simply hold their noses and vote for Romney anyway.

If Mitt wins they could be stuck with a RINO in charge for 2 terms. If he loses, they turn the etch a sketch upside down and shake it and start redrawing the GOP.

35 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:36:02pm

re: #34 Mich-again

If Mitt wins they could be stuck with a RINO in charge for 2 terms. If he loses, they turn the etch a sketch upside down and shake it and start redrawing the GOP.

Yes but he'll be white, which to a lot of these people, is all that matters.

God I feel dirty even typing that. It's SO messed up.

36 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:37:25pm

re: #32 Dancing along the light of day

OMG! You are too funny!

I steal from the best. I'd credit them if I could remember who they were.

37 JamesWI  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:37:37pm

"....to what many now call "Obamatax" . . . "

Oh yes. I have heard "many" call it that. And by many, I mean no one.

38 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:40:43pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

The Temper Tantrum in Tampa!

they'll be having Tampa Tantrums!

39 BongGhazi  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:41:23pm

Tampa, from Wiki:

The word "Tampa" may mean "sticks of fire" in the language of the Calusa, a Native American tribe that once lived south of today’s Tampa Bay. This might be a reference to the many lightning strikes that the area receives during the summer months. Other historians claim the name means "the place to gather sticks".

Tampa meaning "the place to gather sticks" is certainly an appropriate meaning, because what better place to gather sticks than at a convention where a good percentage of the attendees will indeed have a stick up their ass.

40 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:42:15pm

I hope the T'Baggers sit this election out in their outrage that Romney cannot escape his past. How in the world can anyone argue with a straight face that the ACA is different than the healthcare system that Romney set up in Massachusetts? That's why Romney can't lead the charge against "Obamacare". It's his plan on a national level.

41 bubba zanetti  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:48:22pm

I hear they're opening in new Malice in Blunderland ride at Disney World in time for the convention.

42 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:52:25pm

America's most prominent misogynist (who also happens to be the de facto head of the GOP) is at it again:

Limbaugh Says "When Women Got The Right To Vote Is When It All Went Downhill"

IT'S SATIRE!!!!11!

43 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 3:57:23pm

re: #42 bratwurst

Satire? I think Rush ought to go back to school and read some Jonathan Swift.

44 miclaine  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:06:24pm

O/T but how 'but we join Howard Schultz and UNITE!
[Link: www.starbucks.com...]

I am sure he and sbux are not perfect, but he has the right idea and spirit here - imho.

45 EdDantes  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:19:33pm

re: #43 PhillyPretzel

Satire? I think Rush ought to go back to school and read some Jonathan Swift.

That's a modest proposal.

46 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:21:55pm

re: #45 EdDantes

Yes. It is. //

47 Lidane  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:23:01pm

re: #1 Kragar

The GOP convention is going to be awesome.

It's going to be hilarious and frightening in nearly equal measure.

I'm especially looking forward to their final national platform. I'm already expecting them to go full birther, and to demand the Luap Nor fantasies of a return to the gold/silver standard and an audit of the Fed. Oh, and Agenda 21 and all that. Hahaha.

48 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:25:25pm

This is too funny. When has Rmoney ever showed an ability to fight in his entire political career? Surely these people aren't dumb enough to think they have a nominee who's a fighter. Rmoney doesn't fight for what he wants, he buys what he wants. He bought the nomination and with the help of SuperPACSs he will try to buy the White House, but the man will not fight. Not now. Not ever. He doesn't have a brave bone in his body and is a coward in his heart.

49 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:32:24pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

The Tampon Convention

Because they're white, uptight, and out of sight, and also that whole transvaginal ultrasound thing...

This year's Republican convention is brought to you by, Summer's Eve®.

//

50 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:36:09pm

re: #49 Gus

There is a co-sponsor: PMS. /

51 Stanghazi  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:36:44pm

OT my peeps, but after almost 2 years of post divorce vagabonding I got my own fucking place today. Dying from joy.

52 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:36:56pm

re: #49 Gus

This year's Republican convention is brought to you by, Summer's Eve®.

//

What a douche!

53 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:37:27pm

re: #51 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

OT my peeps, but after almost 2 years of post divorce vagabonding I got my own fucking place today. Dying from joy.

Congrats!

54 Lidane  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:37:34pm

re: #49 Gus

This year's Republican convention is brought to you by, Summer's Eve®.

//

Not a bad idea, actually, considering how many douches will be there. =P

55 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:37:43pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

What a douche!

Speaking of which! I have the perfect replacement for Romney. Joe Walsh!

56 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:38:08pm

re: #54 Lidane

Not a bad idea, actually, considering how many douches will be there. =P

Precisely.

57 b_snark  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:38:53pm

re: #51 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

OT my peeps, but after almost 2 years of post divorce vagabonding I got my own fucking place today. Dying from joy.

It's been two years already?

Crap, time is going by way too fast.

Anyway, way to go, Stan.

58 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:44:36pm
59 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:44:38pm

re: #51 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

WOOT!

60 Stanghazi  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:50:19pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

The Tampon Convention

Because they're white, uptight, and out of sight, and also that whole transvaginal ultrasound thing...

I must follow you on twitter? I just tweeted the tampon convention but am at a loss of your twitter ID. I hat tipped you at least. Freaking brilliant.

61 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:50:51pm

re: #58 Gus

[Embedded content]

Joe Walsh, Rocker > Joe Walsh, Congressional Douchebag

62 freetoken  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:52:05pm

re: #3 jaunte

Even though it is from 3 months ago, that really does speak some truth. Santorum is more like the "base" than Romney could ever be.

There is a gap between Romney and the average GOP voter, as well of course as the composite voter.

63 Ming  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:53:32pm

re: #1 Kragar

Because at this point, they have so many other options just waiting in the wings.

The GOP convention is going to be awesome.

I wouldn't be surprised if George W. Bush, in his convention speech, blasts President Obama as the biggest-spending President in history, who inherited a perfectly healthy economy and proceeded to trash it. He'll get plenty of applause.

64 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:55:27pm

re: #61 SunshineSuperman

Joe Walsh, Rocker > Joe Walsh, Congressional Douchebag

I can't believe someone could be such a clueless punk. Wait a minute. I sure can. Joseph Walsh is a moron.

65 b_snark  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:55:35pm

Thread is dead.

66 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:55:58pm

re: #60 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

I must follow you on twitter? I just tweeted the tampon convention but am at a loss of your twitter ID. I hat tipped you at least. Freaking brilliant.

I DM'd you.

My material is not original, but it's old so it looks original! To you young people, anyway.

67 b_snark  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:56:56pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

I DM'd you.

My material is not original, but it's old so it looks original! To you young people, anyway.

You old farts are so worldly wise.

68 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:57:27pm

re: #67 b_sharp

You old farts are so worldly wise.

And you would know.

69 EdDantes  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 4:59:56pm

Joe Walsh the politician just touched bug zapper (zzzzt!)

70 Ming  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:00:20pm

re: #35 dragonfire1981

Yes but he'll be white, which to a lot of these people, is all that matters.
God I feel dirty even typing that. It's SO messed up.

I agree that it's a messed-up thought, but unfortunately racism is what drives many on the right wing these days. Beyond racism, there's the simple hatred of Barack Obama, for no particular reason that anyone can remember, except it's been blaring from Fox News 24 / 7. Millions of people are getting ready to vote for a rich guy, who pioneered hostile corporate takeovers and outsourcing, who introduced Obamacare at the state level, who was Governor of Massachusetts when it legalized same-sex marriage, who has been active his whole life in a religion that isn't exactly "mainstream" to many Republicans, and who isn't even well-liked. FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON, except they've been told that Obama = Satan.

As the saying goes, "be careful what you wish for". If Romney wins, many people will have quite a case of buyer's remorse.

71 Stanghazi  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:01:26pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

I DM'd you.

My material is not original, but it's old so it looks original! To you young people, anyway.

Lol, stop waving your fan, oh my! You are good & we're about the same age!

72 freetoken  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:02:56pm

Mitt Romney supporters fight calls for campaign staff shake-up

Supporters of Mitt Romney are pushing back against calls for a campaign shake-up by Rupert Murdoch and Jack Welch, two industry titans who recently took to Twitter to advise the Republican presidential candidate to dump his staff.

Murdoch was among 50 people who met with the former Massachusetts governor at the Union League Club in New York City on Thursday afternoon.

[...]

Would it be too conspiratorial of me to suggest that the wingnuts at Breitbart are simply following their marching orders?

73 b_snark  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:03:19pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

And you would know.

Damn skippy there youngun.

74 b_snark  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:04:48pm

re: #71 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Lol, stop waving your fan, oh my! You are good & we're about the same age!

You're both a young women in her prime.

75 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:06:22pm

re: #71 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Lol, stop waving your fan, oh my! You are good & we're about the same age!

Seriously? You seem so youthful. At least it's not hard to tell your gender, unlike some lizards. Once I got past the nic, anyway.

76 aagcobb  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:10:59pm

re: #63 Ming

I wouldn't be surprised if George W. Bush, in his convention speech, blasts President Obama as the biggest-spending President in history, who inherited a perfectly healthy economy and proceeded to trash it. He'll get plenty of applause.

I would be surprised if they let Dubya speak at the Convention; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if his name is never even mentioned. The guy is universally disliked across the political spectrum.

77 Stanghazi  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:11:04pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

Seriously? You seem so youthful. At least it's not hard to tell your gender, unlike some lizards. Once I got past the nic, anyway.

I yam what I yam. Dealing with my "2nd life" as it goes. :))

78 freetoken  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:14:38pm

The vacillating North Carolina legislature decided to bury their heads in the sand, hoping in 4 years to do something or other:

New law bans policies on sea-level change for 4 years

After a wide-ranging debate on the validity of climate-change science Tuesday, state lawmakers agreed to ban any state agencies from making policies on sea level change until 2016.

The House approved the bill in a 68-46 partisan vote. With the Senate’s approval Monday, it now moves to Gov. Bev Perdue.

The measure is a watered-down version of the original legislation to put strict limits on the state’s use of climate change data, which drew international attention and made the state a punch line on a late-night comedy show.

[...]

79 Stanghazi  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:14:49pm

Off to store. My temp housemate is English & my South African mum taught me the fine art of sausage rolls. I'm a cooking!

80 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:17:47pm

All chores dealt with, I'm now in holiday mode.

81 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:24:04pm

re: #80 Kragar

Same here. :)

82 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:24:52pm

Repost about the Polonium/Arafat thing because I think this is important.

I am going to call for strong skepticism on this story.

The reason is that the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko in 2006 was done with Polonium 210.

Polonium 210 has a half life of 184 days. I doubt very sincerely there would be enough of that left to get a good sample on by any laboratory eight years later.

Further, if enough of it was on his clothes and in his urine and sweat to be discovered eight years later, like the report claims, others around him would have gotten ill from contacting his clothing or shaking his hand. That did not happen.

The whole point of using Polonium to take people out is that it decays so rapidly and takes so little to kill someone that it is very hard to trace.

I am going to call bullshit.

83 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:27:34pm

re: #82 LudwigVanQuixote

Here's some help.

Image: funny-pictures-skeptical-cat.jpg

84 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:28:08pm

re: #83 wrenchwench

Here's some help.

Image: funny-pictures-skeptical-cat.jpg

I approve! Thank you!

85 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:28:29pm

re: #82 LudwigVanQuixote

So it couldn't have been Perverted Polonium Pixies is what you're trying to say?
///

86 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:31:59pm

re: #65 b_sharp

Thread is dead.

Just my luck after a couple days offline more or less

87 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:34:00pm

re: #82 LudwigVanQuixote

...I am going to call bullshit.

Ditto. Not only that they provide no proof that he was "poisoned". All they said was they found some polonium. Won't help much though since this has become a runway conspiracy theory with millions of mouth breathers all set to "blame the Juice."

88 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:34:44pm

re: #85 Kragar

So it couldn't have been Perverted Polonium Pixies is what you're trying to say?
///

Yeah... pretty much. IF he had more than a few micrograms on him he would have lit up Geiger counters like Christmas trees, and if he had less, there are a good 18 half decays between now and then. And a few micrograms divided by 262,000 is a very difficult to believe sufficient sample.

89 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:35:01pm

MST3K - 0424 - Manos the Hands of Fate

90 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:37:19pm

My Colombian sister in law was traveling in Peru and posted a photo of what she's been eating:

Image: 599519_10150903125037540_969732740_n.jpg

Fortunately she's back in Bogota now.

91 erik_t  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:37:19pm

re: #88 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah... pretty much. IF he had more than a few micrograms on him he would have lit up Geiger counters like Christmas trees, and if he had less, there are a good 18 half decays between now and then. And a few micrograms divided by 262,000 is a very difficult to believe sufficient sample.

Lead-206 (the final decay product) isn't a very typical isotope, as far as I know. I have little doubt that, with a sufficiently high-grade lab, that such could be detected if Arafat had been so poisoned. Where the chain of plausibility breaks down, IMHO, is subjecting his remains to such careful labwork in the first place. Why bother? He's not the Higgs Boson ferchrissakes.

92 freetoken  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:40:03pm

re: #82 LudwigVanQuixote

The whole point of using Polonium to take people out is that it decays so rapidly and takes so little to kill someone that it is very hard to trace.

Not to mention that it is highly poisonous, the LD50 for Polonium is something like 1 microgram, and thus it only takes a tiny, tiny amount to do the job.

93 Kragar  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:43:27pm

Gunfire blamed for more wildfires; target shooting limited

Here's news that may start a firestorm: Officials say gunfire has ignited some wildfires in the bone-dry West, and some states are limiting outdoor shooting to reduce fire risk.

Target shooting or other firearms have started at least 21 wildfires in Utah and nearly a dozen in Idaho, the Associated Press says. Gunfire has also been cited for causing wildfires in Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and Washington.

But as officials seek to limit outdoor shooting or ammunition, they are running up against a formidable force: the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Utah Gov. Gary Herbert, a Republican, is taking heat for authorizing restrictions on target shooting on state and county land after it was determined that gunfire started one blaze. Officials were deciding today how to impose the politically charged ban in some areas because of the fire risk, the Salt Lake Tribune says. A decision is expected soon.

"This does not abridge anybody's constitutional right to bear firearms," Herbert said. "But we're facing a serious fire season, and the state forester has the authority to limit [shooting] in unincorporated areas."

94 b_snark  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:43:37pm

re: #85 Kragar

So it couldn't have been Perverted Polonium Pixies is what you're trying to say?
///

I thought they fizzled out.

95 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:43:44pm

re: #82 LudwigVanQuixote

I agree. Right up there with "new info on the JFK assassination"

96 freetoken  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:43:52pm

Tomorrow is aphelion. Sounds like a good day for a celebration.

97 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:45:21pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

I was expecting a picture of Capybara roasting!
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

98 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:45:43pm

re: #95 Daniel Ballard

I agree. Right up there with "new info on the JFK assassination"

Yeah. Google arafat conspiracy and you can see it's constantly evolving.

There was a second shooter!!!

99 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:46:09pm

Arafat truthers. //

100 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:47:05pm

re: #96 freetoken

Full moon tonight too!

101 freetoken  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:47:54pm

Another one toeing the line from the top?

Allen West questions Romney team

Rep. Allen West suggested late Monday that Mitt Romney re-evaluate his campaign advisers, hours after top Romney aide Eric Fehrnstrom said on TV that the individual mandate of President Barack Obama’s health care law is not a tax.

[...]

102 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:48:08pm

re: #97 Dancing along the light of day

I was expecting a picture of Capybara roasting!
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

I wish I could post her whole album. It's stunning. She's quite a photographer.

Image: 552620_10150904694407540_1866772487_n.jpg

103 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:48:18pm

re: #88 LudwigVanQuixote

*smooch* for you!

104 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:48:28pm

re: #92 freetoken

Not to mention that it is highly poisonous, the LD50 for Polonium is something like 1 microgram, and thus it only takes a tiny, tiny amount to do the job.

Exactly... 1/262,000 of a microgram is very trace.

105 b_snark  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:48:35pm

re: #96 freetoken

Tomorrow is aphelion. Sounds like a good day for a celebration.

Are you trying to tell us our orbit isn't round? And that the farther away we are from the sun the warmer we get?

We better get everybody to lean left so we can save our orbit.

106 b_snark  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:49:03pm

re: #98 Gus

Yeah. Google arafat conspiracy and you can see it's constantly evolving.

There was a second shooter!!!

Was it a jello shooter?

107 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:50:06pm

A little adventure planned for tonight

Lightning photo/video chase. But the forecast says the fun starts at 11:00 pm. Got the truck rigged for internet and doing all the work from inside the truck. Out between Tucson and Nogales

108 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:51:01pm

re: #91 erik_t

Lead-206 (the final decay product) isn't a very typical isotope, as far as I know. I have little doubt that, with a sufficiently high-grade lab, that such could be detected if Arafat had been so poisoned. Where the chain of plausibility breaks down, IMHO, is subjecting his remains to such careful labwork in the first place. Why bother? He's not the Higgs Boson ferchrissakes.

And then there is the other issue that if Suha had the clothing all this time, polonium could have been introduced at any time after his death. This is a family that had billions of aid dollars in their own Swiss Bank accounts. They are not honest people to say the least.

My gut feeling is that it is a pure propaganda stunt with a high non-zero chance of the Arafat hangers on trying to make a desperate bid for relevance.

109 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:51:27pm

re: #107 Daniel Ballard

A little adventure planned for tonight

Lightning photo/video chase. But the forecast says the fun starts at 11:00 pm. Got the truck rigged for internet and doing all the work from inside the truck. Out between Tucson and Nogales

Stay out of the arroyos! And never drive across a flooded road!

110 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:53:38pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

Thanks, will do. Got good paper maps and a local guide with me to help.

111 erik_t  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:53:43pm

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

They're looking at his items, not his remnants?

Well that's just inane.

112 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:55:30pm

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

And then there is the other issue that if Suha had the clothing all this time, polonium could have been introduced at any time after his death. This is a family that had billions of aid dollars in their own Swiss Bank accounts. They are not honest people to say the least.

My gut feeling is that it is a pure propaganda stunt with a high non-zero chance of the Arafat hangers on trying to make a desperate bid for relevance.

So if his clothing was "drenched" in polonium in 2004 what happened with others who came in contact with him? What about his wife? It was in his toothbrush? Something stinks with this latest conspiracy.

113 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:56:36pm

Worth a quick read.

The Palestinians, Arafat, and Al-Jazeera

Today the Arabic news channel Al-Jazeera broadcast a program about the death of the Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. The program claimed that in- depth investigation reveals high levels of radioactive polonium were found in Arafat’s body after his death.

Arafat was a leader and a father for his people who fought hard for the rights of the Palestinians. Many would be interested to know “the truth” about his death.

But let’s put things in perspective...

Continues.

114 b_snark  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:57:01pm

re: #112 Gus

So if his clothing was "drenched" in polonium in 2004 what happened with others who came in contact with him? What about his wife? It was in his toothbrush? Something stinks with this latest conspiracy.

Not many conspiracy hypotheses survive the smell test.

115 erik_t  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:57:46pm

re: #114 b_sharp

Not many conspiracy hypotheses survive the smell test.

Just don't try smelling Polonium.

116 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 5:58:17pm

re: #114 b_sharp

Not many conspiracy hypotheses survive the smell test.

Fire can't melt steel!!!

117 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 6:04:46pm

re: #112 Gus

So if his clothing was "drenched" in polonium in 2004 what happened with others who came in contact with him? What about his wife? It was in his toothbrush? Something stinks with this latest conspiracy.

That was one of the first points I made also. His companions are conspicuously alive.

118 Gus  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 6:10:17pm

re: #117 LudwigVanQuixote

That was one of the first points I made also. His companions are conspicuously alive.

Right. According to Al Jazeera this polonium was all over the place -- so to speak. I'd be interested in hearing directly from this lab and Francois Bochud.

119 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 6:17:55pm

Correction:

The half life of Polonium 210 is 138.4 days. Damn dyslexia!

That means there were 21 half decays and not 18 from then until now like I first calculated.

2 ^ 21 = 2,097,152 which is what you would have to divide by to get how much would be left.

The lethal and clandestine kill dosage is a few micrograms - and even if you have the patient right there, it is hard to detect with a few mics to work with.

1/2,000,000 of a microgram is getting down to countable numbers of atoms.

I call utter BS on this report.

120 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 6:28:43pm

re: #119 LudwigVanQuixote

And you could be right. A major consideration is whether there was anything like a "chain of custody," or if this evidence could have been tampered with before the Swiss lab processed it.

121 krypto  Tue, Jul 3, 2012 6:40:14pm

I'm having trouble understanding one key thing about the new Republican "it's a tax" strategy to take away people's health insurance and make Obama a one-term president. Exactly why am I supposed to care whether the mandate penalty for not having insurance is called a penalty or a tax?

Roberts didn't change anything about the mandate penalty by saying it was constitutional because of the taxing authority rather than the commerce clause.

The new GOP talking point is even sillier because the mandate penalty is a sum that no one even has to pay. All they have to do be to assume personal responsibility and have insurance when 2014 comes along, with subsidy help if the cost is a problem. Even more ridiculously, the ones trying to milk this "it's a tax" foolishness seem to be people who have insurance and have no fee to complain about.

Apparently there are some other taxes that have been in the law for a long time, but which the GOP has suddenly discovered now that they are whining about taxes instead of pretending it's all being charged to the deficit. I looked at the list on Fox, and despite the Fox spin they did not seem anything terrible.

122 JEA62  Wed, Jul 4, 2012 7:06:37am

Conservatives - especially the rabid ones - are SO dedicated to their cause that I can guarantee you not ONE of them will risk going to jail to "stand up" for what they claim to believe.


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