Louisiana GOP Bigot Changes Mind on School Vouchers Because Muslims

Theocratic idiocy in Lousiana
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From the “Be Careful What You Wish For” file, some Louisiana Republicans who eagerly supported Gov. Bobby Jindal’s school voucher plan (that diverts state funds to private religious schools) are now horrified to discover that there are other religions besides Christianity.

For example, Rep. Valarie Hodge, who changed her mind about this wonderful idea because, Muslims.

WATSON — Rep. Valarie Hodges, R-Watson, says she had no idea that Gov. Bobby Jindal’s overhaul of the state’s educational system might mean taxpayer support of Muslim schools.

“I actually support funding for teaching the fundamentals of America’s Founding Fathers’ religion, which is Christianity, in public schools or private schools,” the District 64 Representative said Monday.

“I liked the idea of giving parents the option of sending their children to a public school or a Christian school,” Hodges said.

Hodges mistakenly assumed that “religious” meant “Christian.” …

Hodges, who represents District 64 on the northwest side of the parish, and another freshman lawmaker in the local delegation, Clay Schexnayder from Dist. 81 in the southwest, voted with the House majority in favor of HB976.

The school funding mechanism, however, did not come up for a vote until the end of the session. By then, a Muslim-based school had applied for support through the new voucher system.

During debate over the MFP (Minimum Foundation Program) funding formula, Hodges learned more about the consequences of the educational changes. She voted against the new MFP funding formula; Schexnayder voted for it.

“Unfortunately it will not be limited to the Founders’ religion,” Hodges said. “We need to insure that it does not open the door to fund radical Islam schools. There are a thousand Muslim schools that have sprung up recently. I do not support using public funds for teaching Islam anywhere here in Louisiana.”

(h/t: Hemant Mehta.)

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338 comments
1 EdDantes  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:11:56pm

Too bad she feels that way. She should read the first amendment.

2 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:14:08pm

I refuse to believe anyone - even in Louisiana - could be that stupid. No, this has to be a subtle form of creeping Sharia and a deft application of Taqqiyah - lying to infidels - in order to obtain funding for more Koran schools...

/

3 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:17:28pm

Maybe we should send her a voucher to retake high school civics.

4 Lidane  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:17:50pm

re: #1 EdDantes

Too bad she feels that way. She should read the first amendment.

Didn't you know? The only Real Americans are white, straight, landowning Christian Republicans, just like Jesus. Everyone else is just a dirty foreigner that worships a false God.

5 nines09  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:19:07pm

“Unfortunately it will not be limited to the Founders’ religion." Isn't this exactly the very thing that the "founders" were against? "Let's go kill the Irish!"/ These people are beyond stupid.

6 Jan Smiddy  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:19:34pm

So the lady only believes in the religion of the founders being taught in the schools. Sounds good to me: teach Deism and a reason based curriculum.

File this story under "hoisted by her own petard." Painfully stupid legislators they have in the parish down there.

7 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:20:18pm

I initially supported the legislation because I'm a rock stupid jesusita with zero in the way of civics knowledge, but then my innate bigotry and intolerance kept me from actually voting for it.

8 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:21:41pm

America's Founding Fathers' religion, which is Christianity.

There were 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention. Most were Protestants and a couple were Roman Catholics. Breaking down the Protestants further, you had a bunch who were Church of England, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Lutherans, Dutch Reformed, and Methodists.

Then, there's Thomas Jefferson (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin who were anti-clerical. A couple were deists, or leaned towards Deism.

So, if you believe that at least some of the founders were deist, that would in part explain the need for separation of church and state (to protect the individual differences among religious groups) as well as not establishing a state religion (as had happened in England).

9 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:23:48pm

Ergh. One of my Mac's internal hard drives failed. Just vanished, didn't even get a SMART report. It doesn't even show up in a Disk Warrior drive scan.

Gotta shut down, pull it out, and try plugging it into my dock. Doesn't look promising, though.

Good thing I was backing up the important stuff with Time Machine - this drive has all my VMWare Fusion Windows installations.

10 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:23:51pm

They also understood that even if everyobdy present agreed on a particular set of Holy Scriptures, there were numerous ways of interpreting them and no truly democratic government could give preference to any particular approach and still be deomcratic.

11 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:24:16pm

Exclusively the Founder's religion?

More vouchers for my Freemasonic Academy, I guess.

12 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:24:39pm

re: #5 Some Assembly Required, Batteries Not Included,

“Unfortunately it will not be limited to the Founders’ religion." Isn't this exactly the very thing that the "founders" were against? "Let's go kill the Irish!"/ These people are beyond stupid.

Treaty of Tripoli
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Ratified unanimously June 1797. Wonder how many of the founding fathers were among the unanimous votes to ratify? My guess is quite a few.

13 abolitionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:26:29pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Ergh. One of my Mac's internal hard drives failed. Just vanished, didn't even get a SMART report. It doesn't even show up in a Disk Warrior drive scan.

Gotta shut down, pull it out, and try plugging it into my dock. Doesn't look promising, though.

Good thing I was backing up the important stuff with Time Machine - this drive has all my VMWare Fusion Windows installations.

Hope you're familiar with SpinRite. (It's Steve Gibson's bread and butter.)

14 nines09  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:26:58pm

Sometimes I feel like I'm half trapped in a Star Trek episode on a distant planet were nothing adds up. Inter dimensional SNAFU and all the creatures who could and should be helping each other are to busy gathering worthless coup and arguing over who is more "perfect".re: #12 RayFerd

Treaty of Tripoli
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Ratified unanimously June 1797. Wonder how many of the founding fathers were among the unanimous votes to ratify? My guess is quite a few.

Stop confusing the issue with facts.

15 Mattand  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:27:44pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Ergh. One of my Mac's internal hard drives failed. Just vanished, didn't even get a SMART report. It doesn't even show up in a Disk Warrior drive scan.

Gotta shut down, pull it out, and try plugging it into my dock. Doesn't look promising, though.

Good thing I was backing up the important stuff with Time Machine - this drive has all my VMWare Fusion Windows installations.

I've seen a lot of people bitch about Time Machine but its save my ass more than once.

16 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:27:56pm

re: #13 abolitionist

Spinrite's PC-only. On the Mac, Disk Warrior is usually the best recovery tool unless the drive's just hosed.

17 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:29:12pm

re: #10 Expand Your Ground

They also understood that even if everyobdy present agreed on a particular set of Holy Scriptures, there were numerous ways of interpreting them and no truly democratic government could give preference to any particular approach and still be deomcratic.

These were men educated in history and regularly in contact with Europe, and likely very aware of what Protestant/Catholic conflicts had wrought both within and between nations. And also of the faults of the religion-based New World colonies.

18 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:29:22pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Spinrite's PC-only. On the Mac, Disk Warrior is usually the best recovery tool unless the drive's just hosed.

If all else fails try the freezer trick.

19 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:29:40pm
20 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:30:05pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Ergh. One of my Mac's internal hard drives failed. Just vanished, didn't even get a SMART report. It doesn't even show up in a Disk Warrior drive scan.

Gotta shut down, pull it out, and try plugging it into my dock. Doesn't look promising, though.

Good thing I was backing up the important stuff with Time Machine - this drive has all my VMWare Fusion Windows installations.

Isn't it a rule somewhere, that the drive with the most important or most difficult to back up information goes without warning?

21 EdDantes  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:30:27pm

re: #12 RayFerd


When that did not stop the piracy,Thomas Jefferson kicked ass.

22 EdDantes  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:31:11pm

Good day, all! Must go to work,

23 nines09  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:32:34pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

And know that the temperatures in Pennsylvania are in the 90's and beyond.

24 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:32:50pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

If all else fails try the freezer trick.

Or the hammer/drop trick.

25 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:33:42pm

"Raus mit dem judenschaf-- I mean, dont be doing that Islam in my country!"

-conservatives

26 abolitionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:34:15pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Spinrite's PC-only. On the Mac, Disk Warrior is usually the best recovery tool unless the drive's just hosed.

The program is PC-only, but the info on the drive doesn't matter. Can be Mac or Linux, etc. Just has to be "seen" by the BIOS of a PC, with the drive configured as a slave.

Of course, any recovery tool one is familiar with may be vastly preferable to one not so familiar.

27 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:34:50pm

re: #24 b_sharp

Or the hammer/drop trick.

Or teh kitteh trik.

Image: funny-cat-pictures-pweez-to-stand-by.jpg

28 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:35:43pm

re: #20 b_sharp

Isn't it a rule somewhere, that the drive with the most important or most difficult to back up information goes without warning?

Finagle's Law: The perversity of the universe tends towards a maximum.

29 DodgerFan1988  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:36:17pm

I wonder what all these Republicans who are big school vouchers, would think about Scientology schools. Would they still support vouchers?

30 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:36:51pm

Its like when you deliberately raise people to be ignorant twits, they end up being ignorant twits.

Who would have thunk it?

31 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:38:10pm

re: #29 DodgerFan1988

I wonder what all these Republicans who are big school vouchers, would think about Scientology schools. Would they still support vouchers?

They don't accept science, I doubt they'd go for Scientology. Sounds too close.

32 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:38:21pm
“Unfortunately it will not be limited to the Founders’ religion,” Hodges said. “We need to insure that it does not open the door to fund radical Islam schools. There are a thousand Muslim schools that have sprung up recently. I do not support using public funds for teaching Islam anywhere here in Louisiana.”

Ha Ha.

The 'Founders religion'. What a joke. Yes, please, let's everyone open some schools of Deism.

And 'a thousand Muslim schools have sprung up'. I'm guessing she pulled the "thousand" number out of her ass.

33 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:38:59pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

Or teh kitteh trik.

Image: funny-cat-pictures-pweez-to-stand-by.jpg

I really like that one.

34 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:39:24pm

re: #32 Bulworth

Ha Ha.

The 'Founders religion'. What a joke. Yes, please, let's everyone open some schools of Deism.

And 'a thousand Muslim schools have sprung up'. I'm guessing she pulled the "thousand" number out of her ass.

"Would you believe hundreds?"
/Maxwell Smart

35 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:39:47pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Ergh. One of my Mac's internal hard drives failed. Just vanished, didn't even get a SMART report. It doesn't even show up in a Disk Warrior drive scan.

Gotta shut down, pull it out, and try plugging it into my dock. Doesn't look promising, though.

Good thing I was backing up the important stuff with Time Machine - this drive has all my VMWare Fusion Windows installations.

It was the Doctor. Your drive now plugs into a motherboard in an alternate dimension after that last trick he pulled to defeat the Homicidal Shop Vacs.

So sorry.

36 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:40:48pm

Wow. I'm so glad they shut that voucher system down. Now those Muslim parents will be forced to raise their children as Christians without a Muslim school to teach the kids.

37 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:41:19pm
“Unfortunately it will not be limited to the Founders’ religion,” Hodges said

Because it's so totally Constitutional to provide public funds for one religion but not another. //

38 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:41:35pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Spinrite's PC-only. On the Mac, Disk Warrior is usually the best recovery tool unless the drive's just hosed.

These things do happen, unfortunately. Depends on what exactly went wrong internally. SMART is a good tool, but it can only go so far.

39 Lidane  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:42:39pm

re: #37 Bulworth

Because it's so totally Constitutional to provide public funds for one religion but not another. //

There's only one religion anyway, and that's Christianity. All the rest of them are just political/social ideologies that contradict God.

///

40 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:42:52pm
41 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:44:03pm

re: #39 Lidane

I know you put sarc tags on that, but that's exactly how the hyper-right-wing evangelicals think. I mean that literally; to a fundamentalist, Christianity is The One True Way, and everything else is thinly-disguised Satan worship.

42 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:44:45pm

re: #40 Expand Your Ground

Islamic Schools in Louisiana, in thousands: 0.006

Number too big. Getting dizzy. Falling over.
Derp!
Ow. Landed on head.

43 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:44:54pm

I'll be honest; there are parts of the country, that if I were Muslim, I'd be afraid to send my kids to school for the bigotry they would face.

44 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:44:55pm

re: #41 thedopefishlives

I know you put sarc tags on that, but that's exactly how the hyper-right-wing evangelicals think. I mean that literally; to a fundamentalist, Christianity is The One True Way, and everything else is thinly-disguised Satan worship.

Or they pull out the old "Islam is not a religion, it is a political system" riff.

45 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:46:03pm

re: #41 thedopefishlives

I know you put sarc tags on that, but that's exactly how the hyper-right-wing evangelicals think. I mean that literally; to a fundamentalist, Christianity is The One True Way, and everything else is thinly-disguised Satan worship.

We bought satin sheets once, but I kept sliding off the foot of the bed.

Oh. You said Satan. My bad.

46 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:46:51pm

re: #45 b_sharp

We bought satin sheets once, but I kept sliding off the foot of the bed.

Oh. You said Satan. My bad.

Sorry, guess I should edit that to Stan for the benefit of our, ahem, "senior" readership. ;)

47 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:47:58pm

re: #44 Expand Your Ground

Or they pull out the old "Islam is not a religion, it is a political system" riff.

So is Dominionism. But of course, it's different when it's your political system.

48 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:48:04pm

It's frogmas! The first fully formed frog of the season! He's a big one too. About a week earlier than last year.

49 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:48:32pm

re: #46 thedopefishlives

Sorry, guess I should edit that to Stan for the benefit of our, ahem, "senior" readership. ;)

Get the hell off my lawn! Damned whippersnappers.

50 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:48:36pm

re: #47 thedopefishlives

So is Dominionism. But of course, it's different when it's your political system.

Yes, but that was the one the Founding Fathers wanted!

51 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:49:58pm

re: #50 Expand Your Ground

Yes, but that was the one the Founding Fathers wanted!

I'm sure that would be news to them. See, that's why I love watching the Dominionists; never ones to let facts get in the way of a good old-fashioned Christian guilt trip.

52 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:50:03pm

Did you know being Christian means you have to be an Alchemist? Ask Newton.

53 abolitionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:51:02pm

re: #52 b_sharp

Did you know being Christian means you have to be an Alchemist? Ask Newton.

He was going for the gold!
/

54 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:51:24pm

re: #50 Expand Your Ground

Yes, but that was the one the Founding Fathers wanted!

In the Fundieverse, the Founding Fathers were pretty much Elder Gods in powdered wigs. And they definitely weren't Freemasons.

56 labman57  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:52:36pm

Some folks seem to believe that they belong to the only valid religion, and that everyone is a member of a cult.

57 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:54:29pm

Newton: always reaching for the philosopher's stones.

58 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:58:29pm

re: #57 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

Is that you Potter?

59 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:58:45pm

re: #57 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

Newton: always reaching for the philosopher's stones.

Leibniz once yelled; "Get your hand out of my pocket".

60 Big Steve  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:58:59pm

Re-read the Declaration of Independence the other day (it has been awhile) and had not remembered that some of the wording sounds suspiciously porn-ish to the modern ear...

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness of his invasions on the rights of the people.

harass our people and eat out their substance

61 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:00:16pm

re: #60 Big Steve

Re-read the Declaration of Independence the other day (it has been awhile) and had not remembered that some of the wording sounds suspiciously porn-ish to the modern ear...

Eat me! Eat me!

62 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:01:07pm

re: #42 b_sharp

Number too big. Getting dizzy. Falling over.
Derp!
Ow. Landed on head.

Won't damage anything....

63 GunstarGreen  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:02:35pm

Listen, and understand! That zealotry is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are part of the Christian congregation!

64 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:05:19pm

re: #63 GunstarGreen

Because they believe that our fortunes as a nation are based on a Covenant we have made with God. We must reflict (thier narrow-minded, bigoted view of) His Divine Law in our legislation or we are doomed as a nation.

There is no room for compromise here, the future of America depends on it!

65 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:07:05pm

re: #58 lawhawk

Is that you Potter?

I'm the angry ghost of Robert Hooke.

66 Jan Smiddy  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:09:27pm

Still can't wait until some one opens the Anton Lavey Middle School and Satan Academy.

Would pay good money to watch the heads explode.

67 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:09:34pm

What Islamophobia? There's no anti-Muslim bigotry in America, that's just some PC bullshit the Libtards made up to prevent Patriots™ from talking about the real threats of creeping Sharia and the MB infiltration of every branch of our government.

Those Satan-loving Muslims with their fake religion need to STFD, STFU, and admit that that it's us Christians who are truly suffering bigotry & persecution thanks to them & their American-hating secular pals.

68 S'latch  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:10:20pm

re: #40 Expand Your Ground

Number of Islamic Schools in Louisiana, in thousands: 0.006

You should have posted the full report:

Baton Rouge - Brighter Horizon School - No. of Students = 44, Grades PK-12
Gretna - Muslim Academy - No. of Students = 183, Grades 1-12
Kenner - Islamic School Of Greater New O., Students = 150, Grades PK-8
New Orleans - Sister Clara Muhammad School, Students = 6, Grades K-6

Are there really a total of 383 students in Louisiana in "radical Islam schools?" (term apparently used by Louisiana Rep. Valarie Hodge).

69 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:12:01pm

re: #63 GunstarGreen

Listen, and understand! That zealotry is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are part of their Christian congregation!

I fixed that right up for you. If the atheists and competing religions were gone they would delve back into protestant vs catholic, sect vs sect.

70 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:12:02pm

re: #63 GunstarGreen

Listen, and understand! That zealotry is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are part of the Christian congregation!

Realize that this crazy politicized Christianity often speaks of how more traditional congregations aren't "true Christians." Doctrinally speaking, they're as narrow as the most intense Salafist. Marginalizing non-Christians is the opening move, not the checkmate.

71 S'latch  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:19:08pm

Gretna must be the center of radical Islam in Louisiana. It has the largest "radical Islam school." (Gretna - Muslim Academy - No. of Students = 183, Grades 1-12) (Almost half of all students in "radical Islam schools" in Louisiana are there). It is just east and across the river from uptown New Orleans. I wonder if Rep. Valarie Hodges knows about this problem.

72 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:21:51pm

re: #71 Lawrence Schmerel

Gretna must be the center of radical Islam in Louisiana. It has the largest "radical Islam school." (Gretna - Muslim Academy - No. of Students = 183, Grades 1-12). It is just east and across the river from uptown New Orleans. I wonder if Rep. Valarie Hodges knows about this problem.

Just guessing, but some of those might be "Nation of" Islamic schools.

73 Destro  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:23:03pm

Banging head against desk.............I just can't believe this country is filled with these people.

74 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:23:34pm

So typical. They're always talking about "freedom of religion" and espousing Judeo-Christian values but we know they mean just one religion: mainstream USA-Christianity. Could see this one coming a mile away. It's really "freedom of religion for my religion" and screw everyone else.

In other news. I haven't seen the video yet but apparently Chris Christie threw a temper tantrum today while getting ice cream on the Jersey Shore -- the real Jersey Shore that. Rage incident.

75 Jan Smiddy  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:24:24pm

63 Gunstar. Listen, and understand! That zealotry is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are part of their Christian congregation!


Now I remember! That was the speech Kyle Reese gave to Sarah Conner in the original Terminator!

76 S'latch  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:25:19pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

Nation of Islam? I don't think so.

[Link: www.schooldigger.com...]

Gretna - Muslim Academy

Total Students (2009 - 2010): 183

African American: 10 (5.5%)
American Indian: 0 (0%)
Asian: 0 (0%)
Hispanic: 0 (0%)
Pacific Islander: 0 (0%)
Two or more races: 0 (0%)
White: 173 (94.5%)

Fulltime teachers: 16.9
Student/Teacher Ratio: 10.8

Student Body: Coed
School days per year: 175
Hours per day: 7
Library: No
Affiliation: Islamic

77 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:26:13pm

re: #75 Jan Smiddy

63 Gunstar. Listen, and understand! That zealotry is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are part of their Christian congregation!

Now I remember! That was the speech Kyle Reese gave to Sarah Conner in the original Terminator!

Kinda fits then.

78 Lidane  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:28:39pm

re: #73 Destro

Banging head against desk...I just can't believe this country is filled with these people.

Not only is it filled with these people, but those people are the ones holding the GOP by the balls, including writing the state party platforms and guiding the agenda.

The Republican National Convention is going to be both hilarious and scary.

79 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:29:07pm

re: #75 Jan Smiddy

63 Gunstar. Listen, and understand! That zealotry is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are part of their Christian congregation!


Now I remember! That was the speech Kyle Reese gave to Sarah Conner in the original Terminator!

That's why I updinged it. Good adaptation, and amazingly apt usage given some of the context.

80 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:29:40pm

re: #74 Gus


[Link: www.tmz.com...]

Gov. Christie (R-NJ) was hangin' with his family in Seaside Heights ... and had just ordered an ice cream cone when a passerby fired off some snide comments about Christie's policy on education.

Christie got PISSED -- and while clutching his cone, shouted back at the guy, "You're a real big shot ... you're a real big shot shootin' your mouth off."

The man shouted back, "Nah, just take care of the teachers!"

The comment only enflamed Christie ... who aggresively marched towards the guy and warned, "Keep walkin' away ... really good ... keep walkin'."

Soon after, someone in Christie's party put his arm around the 49-year-old and escorted him in the other direction.

Classy. Very classy. Even by Christie's standards, this one takes the cake. And the GOP faithful will eat this up, even though it shows Christie as nothing more than a bully.

81 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:31:16pm

re: #2 Expand Your Ground

I refuse to believe anyone - even in Louisiana - could be that stupid. No, this has to be a subtle form of creeping Sharia and a deft application of Taqqiyah - lying to infidels - in order to obtain funding for more Koran schools...

/

I wholeheartedly believe it.
Remember, Louisiana was the state that almost made David Duke its Governor.

82 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:34:14pm

re: #80 lawhawk

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

Classy. Very classy. Even by Christie's standards, this one takes the cake. And the GOP faithful will eat this up, even though it shows Christie as nothing more than a bully.

Seaside Heights. Blech. Yeah. Christie's a clown and a blowhard.

83 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:34:38pm

re: #80 lawhawk

[Link: www.tmz.com...]


Classy. Very classy. Even by Christie's standards, this one takes the cake. And the GOP faithful will eat this up, even though it shows Christie as nothing more than a bully.

Makes one curious what happens if the guy opts to stand his ground. I doubt a quiet conversation would have ensued.

84 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:38:58pm

re: #76 Lawrence Schmerel

Nation of Islam? I don't think so.

[Link: www.schooldigger.com...]

Gretna - Muslim Academy

Total Students (2009 - 2010): 183

African American: 10 (5.5%)
American Indian: 0 (0%)
Asian: 0 (0%)
Hispanic: 0 (0%)
Pacific Islander: 0 (0%)
Two or more races: 0 (0%)
White: 173 (94.5%)

Fulltime teachers: 16.9
Student/Teacher Ratio: 10.8

Student Body: Coed
School days per year: 175
Hours per day: 7
Library: No
Affiliation: Islamic

Louis must be asleep at the switch. Wait until the funds are flowing.

85 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:43:48pm

re: #84 Decatur Deb

Louis must be asleep at the switch. Wait until the funds are flowing.

NoI has the structure in place:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

86 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:44:18pm

re: #80 lawhawk

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

Classy. Very classy. Even by Christie's standards, this one takes the cake. And the GOP faithful will eat this up, even though it shows Christie as nothing more than a bully.

I'll breaka ya freakin arm!
/

87 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:47:46pm

Swapped out the failed 1TB drive and replaced it with a 1.5TB Western Digital. Plugged it into the dock, and it spun up but then made a weird rattling sound and never showed up on the desktop.

Looks like it's a brick.

88 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:48:31pm

It was a Seagate, by the way.

89 dragonath  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:48:56pm

Oh, bosh! Jefferson was a wiccan and Benjamin Franklin was a satanist. I learned it all on the internets!

90 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:49:49pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Swapped out the failed 1TB drive and replaced it with a 1.5TB Western Digital. Plugged it into the dock, and it spun up but then made a weird rattling sound and never showed up on the desktop.

Looks like it's a brick.

I've always had a good experience with Western Digital HDs.

91 jc717  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:51:35pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

It was a Seagate, by the way.

Mechanical HDs will fail; it's just a matter of time.
Use a RAID set up for anything important.
Drives are so cheap these days that there's no reason not to have everything in a RAID 1.

92 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:53:08pm

Gonna take about 6 hours to restore this 300G Time Machine backup from the USB external drive. Nice to have it though - and it shows me exactly when the drive failed too, because there are no backups after a certain time.

93 Origuy  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:53:18pm

re: #66 Jan Smiddy

It's Louisiana; there's a fair number of followers of Voodoo. Can you imagine the heads exploding (maybe literally) if a Voodoo school applied for vouchers?

94 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:54:37pm

re: #91 jc717

Keep meaning to set up a RAID system, but haven't gotten around to it. I have multiple automated backups going, though, so it's the next best thing.

I was also checking out the Drobo system.

95 Batman  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:58:57pm
“Unfortunately it will not be limited to the Founders’ religion,” Hodges said.

I wonder if that means Episcopal or Anglican or Baptist or Unitarian or Congregationalist schools only.

96 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 1:59:02pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

Just guessing, but some of those might be "Nation of" Islamic schools.

The NOI schools are usually the Sister Clara Muhammad ones.

97 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:00:15pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

It was a Seagate, by the way.

I stopped buying Seagates a few years ago. Had nothing but bad luck with them. I stick to WD for 3.5" drives now.

98 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:00:23pm

re: #96 CuriousLurker

The NOI schools are usually the Sister Clara Muhammad ones.

Thanks--one on Lawrence's list is a Clara Muhammad, 6 students.

99 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:00:59pm

The Constitution.
How does it fucking work?

100 dragonath  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:01:16pm

re: #93 Origuy

The ironic thing about all this is that Christianity in Louisiana is probably closer to paganism, what with Governor "Exorcist" Jindal and biblical math.

101 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:01:43pm

are we ready yet to expand our taxonomy out from bigots to trigots and quadragots?

102 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:03:28pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Swapped out the failed 1TB drive and replaced it with a 1.5TB Western Digital. Plugged it into the dock, and it spun up but then made a weird rattling sound and never showed up on the desktop.

Looks like it's a brick.

You make me miss the days of the old Seagate. Barracuda 1.2 g fast, reliable, SCSI drives & I've still got one for my SE/30 once the IBM in it now dies.

These modern drives? Meh. Lot's of room but you look at them cross eyed and they fail.

103 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:06:24pm

Hodges mistakenly assumed

if people like this started to use their brainz we wouldn't recognize em

104 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:07:25pm

Doesn't the GOP argue that vouchers are about improving education by giving choices for supposedly better schools; nothing really to do with supporting religion?

This makes it pretty clear what it is about, doesn't it?

105 Robert O.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:08:49pm

You know what? She might be a bigot. But quite indirectly, she is supporting a position that I believe in. To me, education is the most fundamental provision of equal opportunity. Thus, it is government's duty to provide quality public education for every child. It is also government's responsibility to harmonize education curricula across the country to ensure evenly applied standards, so universities and employers from one state should have complete faith in the education rigor of a student graduating from a high school of another state. I believe in standardized, rigorous curricula, which is what many industrialized countries already have, especially in Europe and East Asia. I am against charter schooling because that is the first step that sets children apart. We will have Christian schools that refuse to teach scientific facts like evolution or continental drift theory or climate science; likewise for other faith schools. The taxpayer should not be expected to fund any of this. If a parent of any child wants to use a private school, then in my view, they need to pay their own extra. There is only incentive to create an efficient world class public education system when EVERYONE has to pay for it. You remove the compulsory aspect of this, and you end up with a two-tiered system. I am for public childhood education having these characteristics: (i) compulsory, (ii) free of charge, (iii) secular, (iv) standardized, and (v) high rigor.

106 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:08:54pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Keep meaning to set up a RAID system, but haven't gotten around to it. I have multiple automated backups going, though, so it's the next best thing.

I was also checking out the Drobo system.

Raid is nice, though for good data security you still need to have a physically separated backup. I know someone that had a massive RAID 10 array in his home system get fried right along with the computer due to a power surge.

107 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:11:23pm

re: #104 Achilles Tang

Doesn't the GOP argue that vouchers are about improving education by giving choices for supposedly better schools; nothing really to do with supporting religion?

This makes it pretty clear what it is about, doesn't it?

They are stripping away any attempts at concealing their agenda.

Ideological purity is what seems to attract voters, they are no longer concerned about scaring voters off, theiy are assuming that these people are either clueless (in the case of most white voters) are simply unworthy of their attention (as in the case of black and Latino voters).

108 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:13:21pm

re: #104 Achilles Tang

Doesn't the GOP argue that vouchers are about improving education by giving choices for supposedly better schools; nothing really to do with supporting religion?

This makes it pretty clear what it is about, doesn't it?

Much of it isn't even about religion. Many of the 'Christian' schools in our town are about Brown v Board, not God v Satan.

109 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:14:46pm

re: #105 Robert O.

There is some odd faith-based notion that "competition" will produce better schools, but charter schools are apples and oranges in comparison to public schools: they can be selective in admissions and expel students who do not meet their academic or behavioral standards.

Public schools do not have anywhere their level of flexibility in these matters, they cannot turn away students with a "pre-existing academic condition"

110 Lidane  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:23:21pm

Complete OT, but I went and picked up my diploma today. Now I just need a frame for it. And a job so it wasn't all in vain. Haha.

111 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:23:51pm

The 'Spade a Spade' thread needs a clean-up.

112 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:28:19pm

I would like to edit this article's tags to add a Nelson Muntz style "Ha ha!"

113 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:29:06pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Keep meaning to set up a RAID system, but haven't gotten around to it. I have multiple automated backups going, though, so it's the next best thing.

I was also checking out the Drobo system.

[Drobo slide]

114 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:32:30pm

I just tried to find more about Valarie, but there isn't much out there. She is a high school graduate, a grandmother, a former missionary.

Oh, she is dumber than a box of rocks.

How is your afternoon so far?

115 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:34:51pm

re: #114 ggt

I just tried to find more about Valarie, but there isn't much out there. She is a high school graduate, a grandmother, a former missionary.

Oh, she is dumber than a box of rocks.

How is your afternoon so far?

She doesn't even know how to spell her name. At least, I've never seen that spelling of "Valerie".

116 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:34:54pm

Damn.

117 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:36:15pm

re: #114 ggt

I just tried to find more about Valarie, but there isn't much out there. She is a high school graduate, a grandmother, a former missionary.

Oh, she is dumber than a box of rocks.

How is your afternoon so far?

Quite a few hits on this foot in mouth. She even made Maddow. I wonder how she likes her fame?

118 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:36:35pm

re: #116 Gus

Damn.

[Embedded content]

That's the face of the Loyal Opposition.

119 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:44:38pm

re: #63 GunstarGreen

Listen, and understand! That zealotry is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are part of the Christian congregation!

EXCELLENT

120 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:45:31pm

re: #116 Gus

Damn.

I'm surprised they left off what they were really thinking: "and gained a vote in hell".

121 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:51:41pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

She doesn't even know how to spell her name. At least, I've never seen that spelling of "Valerie".

Phonetic spelling? I've seen a lot of what I think are strange spellings. Usually I end up seeing them again later, spelled the same or worse in some old novel or historical reference. Words and how they are spelled are ambiguous, it seems

122 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:52:23pm

re: #117 Achilles Tang

Quite a few hits on this foot in mouth. She even made Maddow. I wonder how she likes her fame?

She is too dumb to be embarrassed. Because, whodathunkit? I mean, everyone she knows thinks like she does.

123 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:53:09pm

It's sad to me, than AN ELECTED OFFICIAL could be so ignorant.

124 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 2:57:14pm

Her wiki bio shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the world. Hey, kudos for the missionary work, but things are that black and white out side the her little bubble.

For eighteen years, Hodges was a missionary—her husband is a pastor—and they lived in harsh conditions[according to whom?]. She recalls that her travels to the Third World have shown her "the poverty that accompanies socialistic societies such as Cuba and Mexico. This experience gives me a passionate desire to fight socialism in America by working hard to elect conservatives at every level of government and to implement pro-business and pro-job creation policies. ..."[1]

The source is her campaign page.

125 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:00:00pm
126 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:00:08pm

OT
I didn't realize that the next season of Breaking Bad is only 9 days away.
Woot!

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:00:51pm

How does a pastors wife with a HS education get enough money to run for the State Legislature?

Irregularities Found in Hodges & Mannino Campaign Finance Reports

128 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:01:42pm

Also: [Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]
LOL.

129 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:02:04pm

re: #125 Gus

[Embedded content]

From his statement:

While our family takes this step into the rest of our lives, we do so with the ultimate confidence in our country’s future. True, as at other times in the life of our nation, we live in an Age of Extremes that prizes intensity over sanity; rhetoric over reality; and destruction over creation. But this too shall pass, thanks to the infinite, inspired wisdom of the sovereign people who, with God’s continued blessings, will again affirm for the generations American Exceptionalism.

Pot meet kettle.

130 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:03:31pm

re: #125 Gus

[Embedded content]

After learning of the invalid signatures, McCotter – a former state legislator – asked to have his name removed from the ballot for the Aug. 6 Republican primary.

Good for him! Whether he knows how it happened or not (and he says he doesn't) , it taints his campaign and the office

131 dragonath  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:03:42pm

re: #125 Gus

Cool, maybe he can pitch his show to CAIN TV now.

132 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:05:19pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

After learning of the invalid signatures, McCotter – a former state legislator – asked to have his name removed from the ballot for the Aug. 6 Republican primary.

Good for him! Whether he knows how it happened or not (and he says he doesn't) , it taints his campaign and the office

He probably gets a full pension.

133 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:06:35pm

Smoke em if you got em
(but not for long)

[Link: www.lvrj.com...]

Roll-your-own cigarette operations to be snuffed out

134 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:08:02pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Smoke em if you got em
(but not for long)

[Link: www.lvrj.com...]

Roll-your-own cigarette operations to be snuffed out

The new tax on cigs includes a provision outlawing the roll-your-own machines in Illinois.

Nice scam if you can work it.

135 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:08:11pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Smoke em if you got em
(but not for long)

[Link: www.lvrj.com...]

Roll-your-own cigarette operations to be snuffed out

What's the reasoning behind that? I can only guess.

136 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:08:42pm

Evangelical Motors Faith Based SUV Declared Success Despite Doubters

president and head prophet declare test model did not crash and burn, was raptured by god because test run was so "blessed"

137 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:08:46pm

I have been able to find zero on the Church where her husband is a pastor.

138 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:08:49pm

re: #134 ggt

The new tax on cigs includes a provision outlawing the roll-your-own machines in Illinois.

Nice scam if you can work it.

Nice scam for the cigarette companies or the tax collector?

139 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:08:50pm

re: #110 Lidane

Complete OT, but I went and picked up my diploma today. Now I just need a frame for it. And a job so it wasn't all in vain. Haha.

Mine is still in the manila envelope it came in, in a desk drawer.

I almost forgot to say congratulations!

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:09:04pm

re: #138 Gus

Nice scam for the cigarette companies or the tax collector?

both

141 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:09:28pm

re: #135 Gus

What's the reasoning behind that? I can only guess.


Sierra Bawden, a single mom with two kids who started rolling her own smokes at Hind's shop three months ago, said cost is only one factor.

"It saves me time and money, and in the end I feel better because I don't get all of the chemicals that the other cigarettes have," Bawden said. "With the brand-name cigarettes, we pay for the chemicals and the name, and I don't want any of that, so I don't even know what I'll do when the shop closes down."

The move, backed by major tobacco companies, is aimed at boosting tax revenues.

142 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:09:50pm

re: #140 ggt

both

Thanks.

143 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:10:26pm

re: #141 sattv4u2


Sierra Bawden, a single mom with two kids who started rolling her own smokes at Hind's shop three months ago, said cost is only one factor.

"It saves me time and money, and in the end I feel better because I don't get all of the chemicals that the other cigarettes have," Bawden said. "With the brand-name cigarettes, we pay for the chemicals and the name, and I don't want any of that, so I don't even know what I'll do when the shop closes down."

The move, backed by major tobacco companies, is aimed at boosting tax revenues.

Surprise! Surprise! [Gomer Pyle voice.]

Here I thought it has something to do about THE CHILDREN!

//

144 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:11:21pm

Update on the Governor of Arizona who was detained by the Border Patrol:

This was the third time such an incident has happened to Castro, who was elected in 1974 as the first (and only) Mexican American governor of Arizona.

[...]

Nearly half century ago, working on the front fence of his Tucson horse farm in his work clothes, Castro was stopped by a passing Border Patrol car. The agents asked if he had his work card. Castro said no. When they asked whom he worked for, Castro referred to “the señorita inside.” The agents nearly arrested Castro until he showed them the sign by his farm entrance: “Judge Castro.” A former Pima County prosecutor, Castro had become the first Latino Superior Court justice in the state in the 1960s.

[...]

More at the link.

145 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:12:24pm

Hi Lizards..I was going to post this on Independence Day but held off..
As you all know I have been planning my life after my gift from my folks estate. What to do? After hundreds of hours of tossing and turning trying figure out what to do..I have made a choice.
The easy thing would be to move back home..This nagging effen voice kept telling me in my head that this is a once in a lifetime chance to do anything and move anywhere and start up a new life chapter in my life..or just move home.
I have made the choice..I will not move home. I will move on in the world.
In about 60 days I will be posting from a dream destination and start all over.
Only Charles will know at first where I am from my IP address. ( And my close friends here of course)
Tonight I will sleep like a baby..Then start my lists..You know, Do they have Internet? Movers? Power company? Now it is fun..

146 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:13:30pm

North Korea's Kim Jong-un gets new official theme song

Thank God Kim

I was getting nervous there for awhile, thinking that Gargoyle the third would have to enter rooms to the tune of Staying Alive!!
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

147 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:14:33pm

The move, backed by major tobacco companies, is aimed at boosting tax revenues SOCIALISM!!!.

148 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:14:52pm

re: #145 Digital Display

Tonight I will sleep like a baby..Then start my lists..You know, Do they have Internet? Movers? Power company? Now it is fun..

Who cares? As long as they have food, porn and booze ( and not necessarily in that order)

149 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:17:39pm

re: #146 sattv4u2

North Korea's Kim Jong-un gets new official theme song

Thank God Kim

I was getting nervous there for awhile, thinking that Gargoyle the third would have to enter rooms to the tune of Staying Alive!!
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

From the sidebar of that link:
Seattle Occupy group drops $5,000 from hotel to protest money in politics

MicCheckWallStreet organisers say tossing small bills is 'as much art installation as protest' against Citizens United ruling

These people could not possibly be more useless.

150 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:19:29pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

From the sidebar of that link:
Seattle Occupy group drops $5,000 from hotel to protest money in politics

These people could not possibly be more useless.

Sure they could, if they used Monopoly money.

151 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:19:41pm

re: #147 engineer cat

The move, backed by major tobacco companies, is aimed at boosting tax revenues SOCIALISM!!!.

If I had to be afraid of opposing these sorts of things because my criticism would be associated with right-wing extremists that would cry "socialism!" to such things I would be silenced. This isn't about socialism. It's about revenue and keeping big tobacco companies and their lobbyists happy.

152 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:19:55pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Yeah,, I saw that story pop up late last night (early a.m.)

I was going to post it but seeing how the Bottom Ten was pristine and empty,,,,,

//

153 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:20:34pm

re: #151 Gus

If I had to be afraid of opposing these sorts of things because my criticism would be associated with right-wing extremists that would cry "socialism!" to such things I would be silenced. This isn't about socialism. It's about revenue and keeping big tobacco companies and their lobbyists happy.

Meet the new boss(s)
Same as the old boss(s)

154 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:21:16pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

Sure they could, if they used Monopoly money.

If the money was fake it would be infinitely less wasteful. $5,000 could be life changing to somebody in need.

155 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:21:23pm

re: #148 sattv4u2


Tonight I will sleep like a baby..Then start my lists..You know, Do they have Internet? Movers? Power company? Now it is fun..

Who cares? As long as they have food, porn and booze ( and not necessarily in that order)

I had a long check list..
Coffee farm in Hawaii..
San Diego
Upstate New York in the Mountains..
Just dozens and dozens of ideas...
It really is a once in a lifetime opportunity

156 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:21:56pm

re: #155 Digital Display

I had a long check list..
Coffee farm in Hawaii..
San Diego
Upstate New York in the Mountains..
Just dozens and dozens of ideas...
It really is a once in a lifetime opportunity

Nevada Bunny Ranch didn't make the list?

157 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:23:18pm

Oh brother. It was included in the transportation bill.

I give up.

158 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:24:37pm

re: #157 Gus

Oh brother. It was included in the transportation bill.

I give up.

Yup..

Whenever I think of bridges and highways, I automatically include SELF SERVE CIGARETTE ROLLING STORES!!!

159 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:24:42pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

If the money was fake it would be infinitely less wasteful. $5,000 could be life changing to somebody in need.

Like somebody on the sidewalk? OK, that's pretty random, but so is the way most people spend their money.

160 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:26:15pm

re: #158 sattv4u2

Yup..

Whenever I think of bridges and highways, I automatically include SELF SERVE CIGARETTE ROLLING STORES!!!

Yeah, but this is different!

//

161 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:27:18pm

re: #160 Gus

Yeah, but this is different!

//

Meet the new boss(s)
Same as the old boss(s)

:)

162 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:28:32pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

Meet the new boss(s)
Same as the old boss(s)

:)

So this is federal? A little slow on the connection here.

163 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:29:01pm

re: #146 sattv4u2

North Korea's Kim Jong-un gets new official theme song

Thank God Kim

I was getting nervous there for awhile, thinking that Gargoyle the third would have to enter rooms to the tune of Staying Alive!!
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

For Kim I prefer the following Randy Newman song
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

164 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:29:10pm

re: #162 Gus

So this is federal? A little slow on the connection here.

Must be. Story says it's a paragraph or two in the new Transportation Bill

165 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:31:25pm

re: #159 wrenchwench

Like somebody on the sidewalk? OK, that's pretty random, but so is the way most people spend their money.

Only morons would throw $5,000 literally out of the window.

166 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:31:31pm

re: #164 sattv4u2

Must be. Story says it's a paragraph or two in the new Transportation Bill

OK. Looks like it's part of a movement of sorts. Washington state has its own unique bill. I'm sure glad we're taking care of jobs. This is just more bullshit that I remain steadfast against. As an independent I oppose this foolishness. It's stupid.

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:31:52pm

re: #151 Gus

If I had to be afraid of opposing these sorts of things because my criticism would be associated with right-wing extremists that would cry "socialism!" to such things I would be silenced. This isn't about socialism. It's about revenue and keeping big tobacco companies and their lobbyists happy.

**ding** WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!

168 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:33:41pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Only morons would throw $5,000 literally out of the window.

but,, But,, BUT ,, we're doing it for the 99%!!!!!

169 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:34:00pm
170 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:34:24pm

re: #167 ggt

**ding** WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

I'm sure they're happy about this over at the Heartland Institute.

Irony.

171 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:35:12pm

And you guys thought OUR congressional debates get heated !!

Jordanian MP pulls a gun on his critic during live TV debate

[Link: www.timesofisrael.com...]

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:38:23pm

bbl

173 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:39:15pm

Same here. I need a break from the politicians. Right about now I'd say damn near all of them. Later.

174 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:39:38pm

Why must hard drives fail? What bitter master holds the key to the destruction of our data? Why am I talking like this?

175 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:40:44pm

Amazing amount of dust inside this Mac Pro. While it was open, I had to take the opportunity to blast some of it out with compressed air.

176 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:42:17pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Only morons would throw $5,000 literally out of the window.

No argument there.

177 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:43:09pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

And you guys thought OUR congressional debates get heated !!

Jordanian MP pulls a gun on his critic during live TV debate

[Link: www.timesofisrael.com...]

I like how he takes the time to throw his shoe first.

178 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:43:16pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

Why must hard drives fail?

It's the circle of life. Hard drives fail to make room for new hard drives.

What bitter master holds the key to the destruction of our data?

Shiva, obviously.

Why am I talking like this?

To confound your enemies?

179 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:43:28pm

There's never just one little hardware problem. Now my HD dock doesn't seem to be working. wtf

180 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:43:42pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Amazing amount of dust inside this Mac Pro. While it was open, I had to take the opportunity to blast some of it out with compressed air.

I did that to my Dell last Sunday. Now I have to go do what I was avoiding then....

181 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:44:14pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

I like how he takes the time to throw his shoe first.

And the moderator actually gets up and gets between them with the MP STILL waving the gun around

182 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:46:27pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

I did that to my Dell last Sunday. Now I have to go do what I was avoiding then...

get a tiny farmer to go INTO your dell???

183 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:47:58pm

I've now tried two different HDs I know are good in the dock, neither mounts on the desktop. Murphy is working next to me today.

184 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:49:29pm

Let me get this straight. This woman is a voting member of the legislature that passed the voucher bill, and she had no inkling of consequences that were transparently obvious to everyone at this blog?

Wait till she hears that communists, Mormons, atheists and the unholy of unholies, gays and lesbians, can likewise set up their own tax supported schools.

What cave do they get these people from?

185 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 3:52:52pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

I've now tried two different HDs I know are good in the dock, neither mounts on the desktop. Murphy is working next to me today.

Have you disconnected and powered down the dock? The bad drive might have messed it up.

186 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:06:06pm

re: #116 Gus

Damn.

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Stay classy, Carlson and DC.

Shitheads...

187 The Left  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:16:31pm

re: #184 Shiplord Kirel

Let me get this straight. This woman is a voting member of the legislature that passed the voucher bill, and she had no inkling of consequences that were transparently obvious to everyone at this blog?

Wait till she hears that communists, Mormons, atheists and the unholy of unholies, gays and lesbians, can likewise set up their own tax supported schools.

What cave do they get these people from?

A righteous Amurikan cave!

188 Interesting Times  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:29:37pm
189 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:42:02pm

re: #110 Lidane

Complete OT, but I went and picked up my diploma today. Now I just need a frame for it. And a job so it wasn't all in vain. Haha.

Congratulations, Home Girl!

190 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:42:19pm

re: #134 ggt

The new tax on cigs includes a provision outlawing the roll-your-own machines in Illinois.

Nice scam if you can work it.

This article says that it was a tax increase, not that the machines were outlawed.

The move comes a month after Illinois increased taxes on such roll-your-own machine-made cigarettes.

Can you show were the machines were actually outlawed in Illinois?

191 blueraven  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:43:18pm

re: #184 Shiplord Kirel

Let me get this straight. This woman is a voting member of the legislature that passed the voucher bill, and she had no inkling of consequences that were transparently obvious to everyone at this blog?

Wait till she hears that communists, Mormons, atheists and the unholy of unholies, gays and lesbians, can likewise set up their own tax supported schools.

What cave do they get these people from?

The best cave they could find that would protect them from getting eaten by the dinosaurs!
/half

192 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:49:02pm

re: #145 Digital Display

Hi Lizards..I was going to post this on Independence Day but held off..
As you all know I have been planning my life after my gift from my folks estate. What to do? After hundreds of hours of tossing and turning trying figure out what to do..I have made a choice.
The easy thing would be to move back home..This nagging effen voice kept telling me in my head that this is a once in a lifetime chance to do anything and move anywhere and start up a new life chapter in my life..or just move home.
I have made the choice..I will not move home. I will move on in the world.
In about 60 days I will be posting from a dream destination and start all over.
Only Charles will know at first where I am from my IP address. ( And my close friends here of course)
Tonight I will sleep like a baby..Then start my lists..You know, Do they have Internet? Movers? Power company? Now it is fun..

Good luck, Hoops! I know that Gary, Indiana will welcome you with open arms!

Seriously, though, good for you. Safe travels and drop us little hints so we can try to figure out where you am at.

193 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:53:03pm

As to the topic of this post:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

For her, truly, a law of unintended consequences.

194 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:54:20pm

re: #193 reine.de.tout

As to the topic of this post:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

For her, truly, a law of unintended consequences.

Hey Reine! Do you have the Roi around this week?

195 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:56:31pm

re: #194 austin_blue

Hey Reine! Do you have the Roi around this week?

I do, and will have him around for at least a month! He had surgery Tuesday, 3rd one for a disc repair, and is feeling a bit in pain right now, though not complaining, he never does.

196 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:58:04pm

CHARLES,

BTW, I sent you an email a week or two ago about getting that glass football to you and I haven't heard back as to whether it's a doable thing or not. Maybe my email is in a junk folder? Do I need to resend?

197 palomino  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:01:17pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

After learning of the invalid signatures, McCotter – a former state legislator – asked to have his name removed from the ballot for the Aug. 6 Republican primary.

Good for him! Whether he knows how it happened or not (and he says he doesn't) , it taints his campaign and the office

Yeah, he withdrew his name from the race AFTER he was ruled ineligible under state rules to run in the gop primary. A real profile in courage.////////////

198 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:04:34pm

re: #195 reine.de.tout

I do, and will have him around for at least a month! He had surgery Tuesday, 3rd one for a disc repair, and is feeling a bit in pain right now, though not complaining, he never does.

Hopefully, three's a charm. Back surgery is difficult but occasionally necessary if want to continue, I don't know, walking.

I had mine in '90 after a rig "incident" (It involved an idiot company man, a gas kick, and a flash fire. Two dead, and yours truly blown down the stairs leading to the drill floor.).

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are pedestriating down to The Green Mesquite for some serious Q, a some decent South Austin live music, and visits with friends.

Oh, keep feeding the Roi dried fruit. He'll love you for it.

199 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:05:15pm

re: #198 austin_blue

....

Oh, keep feeding the Roi dried fruit. He'll love you for it.

LOL. Yeah, he was sayin'....

200 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:05:28pm

re: #198 austin_blue

And enjoy your evening!

201 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:05:52pm

re: #145 Digital Display

Hi Lizards..I was going to post this on Independence Day but held off..
As you all know I have been planning my life after my gift from my folks estate. What to do? After hundreds of hours of tossing and turning trying figure out what to do..I have made a choice.
The easy thing would be to move back home..This nagging effen voice kept telling me in my head that this is a once in a lifetime chance to do anything and move anywhere and start up a new life chapter in my life..or just move home.
I have made the choice..I will not move home. I will move on in the world.
In about 60 days I will be posting from a dream destination and start all over.
Only Charles will know at first where I am from my IP address. ( And my close friends here of course)
Tonight I will sleep like a baby..Then start my lists..You know, Do they have Internet? Movers? Power company? Now it is fun..

GO FOR IT HOOPS!

202 palomino  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:06:30pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Only morons would throw $5,000 literally out of the window.

Jesus, it's just an attention grabbing protest maneuver directed at our incredibly corrupt financial system. Nobody got hurt. Lighten up.

203 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:09:48pm

re: #196 reine.de.tout

CHARLES,

BTW, I sent you an email a week or two ago about getting that glass football to you and I haven't heard back as to whether it's a doable thing or not. Maybe my email is in a junk folder? Do I need to resend?

Do you have an online store for your glass projects?

204 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:10:42pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Do you have an online store for your glass projects?

Not yet, but I'm planning to be "Sassy Glassy"! I'll let you know when I've got it going.

205 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:11:16pm

re: #202 palomino

Jesus, it's just an attention grabbing protest maneuver directed at our incredibly corrupt financial system. Nobody got hurt. Lighten up.

Do you know what the responsible thing to do with that money would would be? Investing that money and growing it to help people. Ironic, eh?

206 God of Binders with Women  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:11:39pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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Photoshop!!!

207 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:11:46pm

re: #204 reine.de.tout

Not yet, but I'm planning to be "Sassy Glassy"! I'll let you know when I've got it going.

Please remember to let me know.

208 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:11:54pm

Latest one, BTW. Everybody loves fleur-de-lis for some reason. And this lady wanted a New Orleans Mardi Gras colored fleur:


Image: P1000832.jpg

209 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:12:48pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

Please remember to let me know.

I surely will. I thought I ought to have things ready to send; but I'm thinking I should post photos of what I've done and let people order as well.

210 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:18:32pm

re: #196 reine.de.tout

Wow, it must have gotten spam-filed, sorry - missed it. I got on a waiting list at my Post Office months ago, and they never called! This reminds me to get back in touch and see what happened.

I just added your email to the SpamSieve white list so that shouldn't happen again.

211 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:19:05pm

Kids successfully transferred to grandparents, a whole week of freedom

212 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:19:34pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

Wow, it must have gotten spam-filed, sorry - missed it. I got on a waiting list at my Post Office months ago, and they never called! This reminds me to get back in touch and see what happened.

I just added your email to the SpamSieve white list so that shouldn't happen again.

OK!

213 palomino  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:20:05pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Do you know what the responsible thing to do with that money would would be? Investing that money and growing it to help people. Ironic, eh?

It was their money to use in a creative way to protest. Your idea of responsible use of money doesn't mean shit when you're talking about someone else's money. Why does this get you so worked up...I'm guessing people on the ground scooped up the cash...so what, it's not like they burned it or threw it in Puget Sound.

214 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:20:10pm

re: #211 Kragar

Kids successfully transferred to grandparents, a whole week of freedom

When you get them back they are going to be so spoiled.

215 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:27:35pm

re: #214 b_sharp

When you get them back they are going to be so spoiled.

It is a grandparent's God-given right, no, obligation, to spoil the grandkids.

My parents would spoil my daughter; but once she got home, she would get the house rules figured out again pretty quick.

216 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:29:48pm

The role of religious groups in American society/politics is getting a bit more exposure over seas:

Ivan Massow: My gay escape from US Christians trying to 'cure' my homosexuality

He is out and proud — but what happened when a US Christian retreat promised to convert financier Ivan Massow from homosexuality?

Loretta Preska's judicial crusade to establish churches in schools

A judge's decision forcing New York City to provide subsidised space for religious worship challenges the US constitution

217 palomino  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:31:06pm

re: #216 freetoken

The role of religious groups in American society/politics is getting a bit more exposure over seas:

Ivan Massow: My gay escape from US Christians trying to 'cure' my homosexuality

Loretta Preska's judicial crusade to establish churches in schools

Theocracy and democracy don't mix. We're now finding this out the hard way.

218 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:33:53pm

Speaking of creationists, and as a followup to Jimmah's Page on the Giant's Causeway:

Creationism and political power in Northern Ireland

[...]

Yet in the very week that 21st century science demonstrated its God-like prowess with the discovery of the Higgs boson, the National Trust stands accused of pandering to Young Earth creationists in Northern Ireland. An exhibit at its newly-opened Giant's Causeway visitors' centre refers non-judgementally to a "debate" about the age and origins of the structure, which geology has firmly dated at around 60 million years. In its initial statement, since modified, the Trust referred to a desire to "reflect and respect the fact that creationists today have a different perspective on the age of the earth from that of mainstream science."

[...]

The political strategy of the creationists to convince the populi that there is a "debate" in science over the age of the Earth and the change of life forms over time is their biggest achievement.

219 palomino  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:35:43pm

re: #218 freetoken

Speaking of creationists, and as a followup to Jimmah's Page on the Giant's Causeway:

Creationism and political power in Northern Ireland

The political strategy of the creationists to convince the populi that there is a "debate" in science over the age of the Earth and the change of life forms over time is their biggest achievement.

True, just as with the global warming deniers who would have you believe there's a 50-50 split in the scientific community. Pure BS, but effective.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:36:30pm

If these folks had gone to a good public school in California, they would know there are other religions. We cover most of 'em in the sixth and seventh grades, as part of the social studies standards.

221 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:37:06pm

And, since we're on the topic, from yesterday's news:

Ohio Supreme Court agrees to hear creationism appeal

[...]

“This Court must intervene if students and teachers in America's public schools are to remain free to engage in open, respectful dialogue about competing academic theories and their respective merits. Nowhere is such freedom more crucial than in a science classroom, where the asking and answering of questions is the very basis of the universally acknowledged “scientific method,” Freshwater’s attorney, R. Kelly Hamilton argued in his request for the court to hear the case.

[...]

Same story. It's a lie, of course, as anyone who's studied the fields of science involved, but the masses are being sold a load of bull by creationists.

The "scientific method" unambiguously rejects "creationism", which Freshwater and his lawyer refuses to acknowledge.

222 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:39:14pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

But we are a christian nation we can't have other religions.

223 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:39:30pm

And as far as how the story is progressing in Korea, about the infiltration of creationism into the government schools:

Biologists urge gov't to drop creationists' claims

A group of biologists has asked the government to drop a petition filed earlier by a creationists’ group seeking to remove contents about the archaeopteryx and the evolution of horses from textbooks, saying the latter’s claim was based on their religious belief, not science.

The Korean Association of Biological Sciences submitted its own petition to the education ministry, Friday, to reject an earlier petition on textbook changes called for by the Society for Textbook Revise (STR).

The move comes after the STR demanded the government to delete sections from high school science textbooks, claiming the descriptions about the two species carried false information about evolution. Five publishers are moving to remove the parts in their books following the group’s demand.

[...]

224 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:40:55pm

As an accredited theologian from the college I just founded, I demand that my alternate theory that Jesus was actually a giant chicken from Aldebaran be given the respect it is due and taught in every college theology class and sunday school across the land.

MAKE IT SO!

225 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:41:04pm

re: #208 reine.de.tout

Latest one, BTW. Everybody loves fleur-de-lis for some reason. And this lady wanted a New Orleans Mardi Gras colored fleur:

Image: P1000832.jpg

Neat! Do you only do stained glass or do you work in other glass forms as well?

I was researching glass casting because it is tangentially related to a 3d printer project I want to make. While I was researching it struck me just how awesome glass is as a material.

226 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:42:47pm

I don't want to link to it, but people should check out the article on the CEO of World Nut Daily, Farah, titled SPY DRONE' BUZZED MY HOME, and read the comments.

This stuff is funny if it wasn't worrisome. These people are calling for, and planning for, violence if Obama wins, and they will make up reasons to do so, if one can take them seriously.

I'm sure the secret service is taking notes too, but these people and this Farah guy really are frothing at the mouth, and presumably their brains.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:42:52pm

re: #43 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I'll be honest; there are parts of the country, that if I were Muslim, I'd be afraid to send my kids to school for the bigotry they would face.

I taught at one public school where we had a fairly big Muslim minority in the school, mostly Bosnian and Afghani. It worked well, but it was a really nice community, and the parents were great.

The Catholic high school I was at had a scattering of Arab and Pakistani Muslim kids. The parents liked the dress code and the hands-on approach, also the academics.

Charter place I'm starting at now has a handful of Yemeni kids. We're out in deep East Oakland. The parents are recent immigrants, and they like it that we're strict and academically hellbent. Also, we let out early on Fridays, which is for no reason from the school's perspective I can see, but is convenient if you want the kid at the mosque in the afternoon.

228 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:44:28pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

I taught at one public school where we had a fairly big Muslim minority in the school, mostly Bosnian and Afghani. It worked well, but it was a really nice community, and the parents were great.

The Catholic high school I was at had a scattering of Arab and Pakistani Muslim kids. The parents liked the dress code and the hands-on approach, also the academics.

Charter place I'm starting at now has a handful of Yemeni kids. We're out in deep East Oakland. The parents are recent immigrants, and they like it that we're strict and academically hellbent. Also, we let out early on Fridays, which is for no reason from the school's perspective I can see, but is convenient if you want the kid at the mosque in the afternoon.

Our local school cuts out about an hour early on tuesdays, but the teachers have a weekly meeting for that hour

229 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:46:46pm

re: #226 Achilles Tang

Farah has fully gone into competition with Alex Jones as well as Coast to Coast AM. Lots of nuttier and nuttier stuff showing up, to complement the blatant racism on show now.

230 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:46:59pm

Creationism. Someone remind me why we're still fighting against creationism in 2012?

And where's my flying car?

231 Artist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:48:36pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Creationism. Someone remind me why we're still fighting against creationism in 2012?

And where's my flying car?

Haven't ya heard? Flyin' cars is teh debil!!11ty

232 researchok  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:48:51pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Creationism. Someone remind me why we're still fighting against creationism in 2012?

And where's my flying car?

The Creationists will not let you have one.

They are very selective with whom they share their miraculous inventions.

233 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:49:17pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Creationism. Someone remind me why we're still fighting against creationism in 2012?

Because apparently we made a contract with Jesus or some other crap.

234 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:49:52pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Creationism. Someone remind me why we're still fighting against creationism in 2012?

The BBC is running a documentary called "Surviving Progress" which doesn't address your question directly, but I think it does indirectly.

We, humanity, are struggling to deal with this modern world which we have created.

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:52:28pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

And you guys thought OUR congressional debates get heated !!

Jordanian MP pulls a gun on his critic during live TV debate

[Link: www.timesofisrael.com...]

Is that what happened? Someone sent me a clip earlier, but I couldn't open it at work. Good grief.

236 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:55:18pm

S.E. Cupp Calls Out a Group of ‘Crazy, Militant Atheists’ for… Wait, What?!

“I envy religious people… I envy the faithful. I would like to be a person of faith, but I’m not there yet…”

“Speaking of atheists, I find atheists — militant atheists — to be among the most intolerant people that I’ve ever come across in my religious-sort-of dealings…”

“I am not one of these crazy, militant atheists — and I say crazy and mean it…”

So what got her so worked up? What the hell did those crazy, militant atheists do?

Did they burn down some churches?!

Did they beat up a flock of pastors?

Did they protest a Baptism?

Nope.

See, the Secular Coalition for America put out a scorecard for the presidential candidates and…

And nothing.

That’s it.

237 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:56:31pm

Even more on creationism:

The latest Christianity Today has a major article A Tale of Two Scientists: What Really Happened 'In the Beginning' which compares the head of Biologos, Darrel Falk, and a well known creationist, Todd Wood.

Wood is an honest creationist - he doesn't claim to be anything else and he doesn't practice the Lyin' for Jesus tactic. Falk if of course a "theistic evolutionist", a term with doubtful meaning.

Falk is excoriated by many fundamentalists for espousing evolution as basic and sound biology. Wood is someone who tries to be honest but is still stuck in what I call Magick Book Mode. It's a tough place to be for a scientist.

238 Mattand  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:57:03pm

re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist

Is that what happened? Someone sent me a clip earlier, but I couldn't open it at work. Good grief.

Shit, it's just a matter of time before that happens here. IIRC, didn't some GOP House rep pull a gun out of her purse while being interviewed? I think it was a few months back. She didn't threaten the rep, but I think it was a bullying sort of move.

And I thought Jordan was one of the stabler countries over there?

239 Mattand  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 5:59:56pm

re: #236 Kragar

S.E. Cupp Calls Out a Group of ‘Crazy, Militant Atheists’ for… Wait, What?!

She's as atheist as a lion is vegetarian. I really don't understand what's stopping this woman from being born again.

240 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:00:11pm

re: #238 Mattand

Shit, it's just a matter of time before that happens here. IIRC, didn't some GOP House rep pull a gun out of her purse while being interviewed? I think it was a few months back. She didn't threaten the rep, but I think it was a bullying sort of move.

And I thought Jordan was one of the stabler countries over there?

Relatively stable.

241 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:00:39pm

re: #213 palomino

It was their money to use in a creative way to protest. Your idea of responsible use of money doesn't mean shit when you're talking about someone else's money. Why does this get you so worked up...I'm guessing people on the ground scooped up the cash...so what, it's not like they burned it or threw it in Puget Sound.

Because it's wasteful and callous. All those idiots who threw money out the window have a roof over their heads and a secure existence. Notebook computers, iPhones (probably used to film the wasteful event) and probably trust funds large enough to remove the need for work. I'm pretty well off and $5,000 is a huge sum of money to me. Could you imagine what that money could mean to someone who needed it? It's shockingly wasteful and ignorant.

242 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:01:22pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

If these folks had gone to a good public school in California, they would know there are other religions. We cover most of 'em in the sixth and seventh grades, as part of the social studies standards.

At my daughter's Catholic school, other religions were covered. Good grief.

243 Mattand  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:04:40pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Because it's wasteful and callous. All those idiots who threw money out the window have a roof over their heads and a secure existence. Notebook computers, iPhones (probably used to film the wasteful event) and probably trust funds large enough to remove the need for work. I'm pretty well off and $5,000 is a huge sum of money to me. Could you imagine what that money could mean to someone who needed it? It's shockingly wasteful and ignorant.

I would imagine they're all not trust fund babies, but there's a food bank I donate to that could have done wonders with that money. Freedom of speech unfortunately covers the freedom to be stupid at times.

OWS has enough image problems. This was a fucking stupid maneuver.

244 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:06:03pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Because it's wasteful and callous. All those idiots who threw money out the window have a roof over their heads and a secure existence. Notebook computers, iPhones (probably used to film the wasteful event) and probably trust funds large enough to remove the need for work. I'm pretty well off and $5,000 is a huge sum of money to me. Could you imagine what that money could mean to someone who needed it? It's shockingly wasteful and ignorant.

...and my insurance payment barely cleared a few days ago leaving me a little over $40 in my account. I have no use for idiots wealthy and wasteful enough to trow $5,000 out of a window.

245 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:08:14pm

re: #225 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

Neat! Do you only do stained glass or do you work in other glass forms as well?

I was researching glass casting because it is tangentially related to a 3d printer project I want to make. While I was researching it struck me just how awesome glass is as a material.

I took a class about a year ago. I do leaded stained glass, or I may do glass mosaics, and I will also do "gemeaux", which is how I got the confetti motif done on that piece (using epoxy to secure glass pieces). I do not do copper foil method; I do not do fusible (warm) glass - I don't want to mess with a kiln - I don't do anything else but the stained glass, with lead, epoxy or in a mosaic.

I wish I had the talent (and time) for glass casting or making objects with fusible glass - but I just don't.

246 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:09:31pm

re: #236 Kragar

S.E. Cupp Calls Out a Group of ‘Crazy, Militant Atheists’ for… Wait, What?!

Is it wrong of me to think that, purely from a physical standpoint, S.E. cupp is a pretty attractive woman? She could totally pull off the sexy librarian thing if she wanted to.

247 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:12:38pm

re: #246 dragonfire1981

Is it wrong of me to think that, purely from a physical standpoint, S.E. cupp is a pretty attractive woman? She could totally pull off the sexy librarian thing if she wanted to.

I could say that about quite a few truly awful people.

248 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:13:02pm

re: #243 Mattand

I would imagine they're all not trust fund babies, but there's a food bank I donate to that could have done wonders with that money. Freedom of speech unfortunately covers the freedom to be stupid at times.

OWS has enough image problems. This was a fucking stupid maneuver.

Agreed. It took me a while to find a foodbank that would accept my excess produce from the greenhouse. Most food banks only accept canned or factory bagged stuff. I discovered the Plant A Row program here in Portland that accepts excess garden produce. I kind of wondered if people were actually eating all the stuff that I'd bring in. One of the biggest producers for me is Trombocino squash. I was delivering a batch of squash, tomatoes and beans. As I was leaving an Asian family entered the store, saw the squash on the counter and shouted, "Trombrorino!" (or something vaguely close). Made me happy.

249 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:14:28pm

re: #245 reine.de.tout

Well you do nice work from what I have seen. That takes talent.

I don't know if I have the talent for glass ( and metal :D ) casting. But first I will have to see if I have the skill to make a DIY kiln. It's a little bit intimidating so I haven't gotten started yet.

250 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:14:51pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

...and my insurance payment barely cleared a few days ago leaving me a little over $40 in my account. I have no use for idiots wealthy and wasteful enough to trow $5,000 out of a window.

Yesterday I had $20 in my account.
Today I have more.

They can do what they want with their money, as long as it only affects them.

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:16:06pm

re: #238 Mattand

Shit, it's just a matter of time before that happens here. IIRC, didn't some GOP House rep pull a gun out of her purse while being interviewed? I think it was a few months back. She didn't threaten the rep, but I think it was a bullying sort of move.

And I thought Jordan was one of the stabler countries over there?

JORDAN is pretty stable, but this guy with the shoe and gun...not so stable.

252 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:16:52pm

re: #245 reine.de.tout

I took a class about a year ago. I do leaded stained glass, or I may do glass mosaics, and I will also do "gemeaux", which is how I got the confetti motif done on that piece (using epoxy to secure glass pieces). I do not do copper foil method; I do not do fusible (warm) glass - I don't want to mess with a kiln - I don't do anything else but the stained glass, with lead, epoxy or in a mosaic.

I wish I had the talent (and time) for glass casting or making objects with fusible glass - but I just don't.

I bought my wife a kiln 2 years ago. She's only used it twice.
I have convinced her to make silver casts of little William's footprints and hand prints. It should be interesting.

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:18:11pm

re: #242 reine.de.tout

At my daughter's Catholic school, other religions were covered. Good grief.

Hell, at the Catholic school I taught at last, they had a whole year on comparative religions, taught by Sister, for the seniors.

254 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:18:19pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

JORDAN is pretty stable, but this guy with the shoe and gun...not so stable.

Well why didn't they elect this JORDAN guy instead?

255 palomino  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:18:23pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Because it's wasteful and callous. All those idiots who threw money out the window have a roof over their heads and a secure existence. Notebook computers, iPhones (probably used to film the wasteful event) and probably trust funds large enough to remove the need for work. I'm pretty well off and $5,000 is a huge sum of money to me. Could you imagine what that money could mean to someone who needed it? It's shockingly wasteful and ignorant.

You're off on some irrelevant and bizarre jag about protesters' personal electronics and trust funds (where's your evidence that most of the protesters even have the latter)?

There were a lot of silly tactics used during protests in the 60s and 70s over Vietnam, women's rights, etc. That didn't mitigate the virtue of their cause. Just as this stunt doesn't negate the necessity of protests directed at our stupefyingly corrupt financial system (you really want to talk about waste?...then start there).

Yes, of course, throwing money off a building isn't the most constructive way to get out a message. But, again, no one was harmed by falling money (unless they were dropping Susan B. Anthony dollars) and a lot of pedestrians got a little windfall for day, so someone needy probably was helped by the falling cash. Either way, ultimately, no harm no foul. Better to get outraged by things that are truly outrageous.

256 researchok  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:18:53pm

re: #252 b_sharp

I bought my wife a kiln 2 years ago. She's only used it twice.
I have convinced her to make silver casts of little William's footprints and hand prints. It should be interesting.

Or, you can open up a bagel bakery.
//

257 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:20:00pm

re: #256 researchok

Or, you can open up a bagel bakery.
//

Maybe an bagel ash bakery.

258 theheat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:20:01pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

I had a dead mouse in mine. But that isn't what killed it.

259 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:22:47pm

MST3K - 0705 - Escape 2000

All you miscellaneous Italian actors must LEAVE THE BRONX!

260 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:23:02pm

Evening Lizardim. What's new? Charles, I like the new Spy layout modifications. Very nice.

261 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:24:57pm

re: #252 b_sharp

I bought my wife a kiln 2 years ago. She's only used it twice.
I have convinced her to make silver casts of little William's footprints and hand prints. It should be interesting.

At a craft show, I ran into a guy who lives in Houston, who makes things with fusible glass. I talked him into making something for me to my specifications - color, size, etc. Here's what he came up with:

Image: P1000836.jpg

If y'all have a kiln - there's ALL SORTS of great things you can do with it.

262 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:27:47pm

Understand the depth of the atavism amongst the fundamentalists:

Christian bookstores and their chokehold on the industry

A lot of folks have been expressing outrage and surprise over the fact that LifeWay Christian bookstores recently banned the movie "The Blind Side" from their shelves due to language and objectionable content. The 2009 biographical film about a black high school student adopted by a white Christian family is rated PG-13 and became something of an evangelical darling when it released, receiving endorsements from Christianity Today and Focus on the Family.

But Florida pastor Rodney Baker of Hopeful Baptist Church submitted a resolution to the Southern Baptist Convention, demanding that LifeWay pull the film. Lifeway bowed to the pressure from Baker, and removed the movie from their shelves—a response that Baker saw as obedient yielding to the Holy Spirit. "Thank you,” he said “for listening to the voices of the overwhelming majority of Florida Baptist Convention messengers, the voice of this resolution, and above all the voice of the Holy Spirit to remove 'The Blind Side' from Lifeway Christian Book Stores.”

As the Christian Post reports, Baker still intends to submit the resolution the convention as a way of "sending a message about LifeWay and the content of its products."

Those of you who followed “vaginagate”—in which I was asked to remove the word “vagina” from my upcoming book in deference to Christian bookstore standards—will know that I’m not at all surprised by this story.

[...]

The "V" word - to hot to handle.

And here these same Christian fundamentalists whine about SHARIAH!!

263 palomino  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:30:36pm

re: #262 freetoken

Understand the depth of the atavism amongst the fundamentalists:

Christian bookstores and their chokehold on the industry

The "V" word - to hot to handle.

And here these same Christian fundamentalists whine about SHARIAH!!

They whine about sharia in part because they see it as a threat. Not necessarily an existential threat, but a theological one which could impede their project of advancing Christian theocracy. Of course such thinking is inane and paranoid, since, among other things, Muslims account for less than 2% of the US population.

264 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:33:15pm

re: #261 reine.de.tout

At a craft show, I ran into a guy who lives in Houston, who makes things with fusible glass. I talked him into making something for me to my specifications - color, size, etc. Here's what he came up with:

Image: P1000836.jpg

If y'all have a kiln - there's ALL SORTS of great things you can do with it.

What is that?

We have all sorts of intentions, including slumping glass, clay, and silver but both of us are way too tired by the time we get home.

I have severe insomnia and clinical depression, and we just found out the wife has severe apnea. She's just waiting for the machine and mask. Once that starts working, I think she'll be motivated to get back to her art/jewellery.

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:36:41pm

re: #254 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

I'm trying to follow what they're saying, but it's too damn fast. All I can track is 'la la la la' (no, no no no...)

I think it's actively ungrammatical in Arabic to just say 'no' once.

266 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:38:31pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm trying to follow what they're saying, but it's too damn fast. All I can track is 'la la la la' (no, no no no...)

I think it's actively ungrammatical in Arabic to just say 'no' once.

You speak Arabic?

267 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:38:41pm

re: #264 b_sharp

What is that?

We have all sorts of intentions, including slumping glass, clay, and silver but both of us are way too tired by the time we get home.

I have severe insomnia and clinical depression, and we just found out the wife has severe apnea. She's just waiting for the machine and mask. Once that starts working, I think she'll be motivated to get back to her art/jewellery.

It's just a tray I wanted for my kitchen counter to keep salt, pepper, sugar on, so they would be within easy reach but not look so ugly sitting on my countertop. Here it is from another angle:

Image: P1000835.jpg

I hope she does. And she may wish to check out "fusible glass", and the types of things that can be made. The guy who made this for me makes serving dishes, etc., but he also makes pendants and necklaces. Very interesting stuff. Even if she never sold a thing - I have discovered that people LOVE glass, and they love getting it as a gift!

268 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:41:05pm

re: #267 reine.de.tout

It's just a tray I wanted for my kitchen counter to keep salt, pepper, sugar on, so they would be within easy reach but not look so ugly sitting on my countertop. Here it is from another angle:

Image: P1000835.jpg

I hope she does. And she may wish to check out "fusible glass", and the types of things that can be made. The guy who made this for me makes serving dishes, etc., but he also makes pendants and necklaces. Very interesting stuff. Even if she never sold a thing - I have discovered that people LOVE glass, and they love getting it as a gift!

I bought her some fusible glass to experiment with when I bought the kiln. She'll get to it.

Glass is an interesting medium for art, especially when you can change its shape in 3 dimensions.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:41:53pm

re: #266 b_sharp

You speak Arabic?

La la la la la la.

But I have a little Hebrew, and there are enough cognates that I can often understand some words and phrases, or pick up new ones. One of these days, I want to learn both properly.

270 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:44:15pm

Today, in one of my rare motorized outings, listening to hate radio - since the AM stations around here, if in English, are either sports or Hate-Radio (aka Clear Channel, aka Bain, aka Mitt Romney's love child) - the hot topic was the approval of the high-speed rail bill in the California legislature.

The KFI talking heads were in full lament, about being under the boot of union boss thugs, etc.

Now, I have little love for the way the California High Speed rail effort has gone, but these talking heads were so ugly, and so stupid, that I really do wonder how the radio stations stay in business. Their advertisers (home loan sharks, "money mangers", gold coin "specialists", pest control companies, etc.) must get something out of the audience by way of business. Sad.

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:48:25pm

re: #269 SanFranciscoZionist

La la la la la la.

But I have a little Hebrew, and there are enough cognates that I can often understand some words and phrases, or pick up new ones. One of these days, I want to learn both properly.

I keep getting Israeli movies to practice my Hebrew, but there are actually relatively few Israeli movies where Hebrew is spoken all the way through. If people start speaking Arabic, I can at least try to understand little bits. If it's Georgian, (thank you, "Late Marriage") I'm sunk, and am back to the subtitles.

272 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:49:39pm

re: #1 EdDantes

Too bad she feels that way. She should read the first amendment.

To her, the First Amendment exists only to protect people like her. The concept of it having universality contradicts her very narrow view of what is acceptable. Suffice it to say she does not really believe in the Constitution, her ideals being those of John Calvin instead of the ideals of James Madison.

273 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:49:52pm

re: #267 reine.de.tout

I have two mills, a small precision mill and a larger mill capable of using bigger cutters, I also have two lathes and the equipment to set one mill and one lathe up for CNC.

The intent is to use those for making pendants and rings that can be fused with glass and be coated in silver.

274 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:52:27pm

re: #273 b_sharp

Over the years I've thought of taking the jewelry classes at the local community colleges. I think it would be interesting, though I have more interest in the metallurgy than in business end.

Also, since San Diego county is known for its gem mines, using local stones might be a marketing move for someone wanting to create a brand.

275 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:55:25pm

re: #273 b_sharp

I have two mills, a small precision mill and a larger mill capable of using bigger cutters, I also have two lathes and the equipment to set one mill and one lathe up for CNC.

The intent is to use those for making pendants and rings that can be fused with glass and be coated in silver.

Wow. Impressive! When you get your product line up and running, I wanna be first to see a preview!!!! Gotta promise!

276 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:57:02pm

re: #274 freetoken

Over the years I've thought of taking the jewelry classes at the local community colleges. I think it would be interesting, though I have more interest in the metallurgy than in business end.

Also, since San Diego county is known for its gem mines, using local stones might be a marketing move for someone wanting to create a brand.

I'd love to be able to shape stone with my mill, but I have no idea what cutters would hold up.

I also have two old propane tanks to be cut down and made into mini foundries for sandcasting gold/silver and aluminum.

277 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:59:24pm

re: #275 reine.de.tout

Wow. Impressive! When you get your product line up and running, I wanna be first to see a preview!!! Gotta promise!

After we finish experimenting I'll send you some.

278 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 6:59:52pm

re: #273 b_sharp

I have two mills, a small precision mill and a larger mill capable of using bigger cutters, I also have two lathes and the equipment to set one mill and one lathe up for CNC.

The intent is to use those for making pendants and rings that can be fused with glass and be coated in silver.

I really want to get set up with some CNC equipment someday. I do a lot of mechanical work, and having a mill and lathe to manufacture parts otherwise made out of unobtainium, or for precision work milling blocks and heads, would be very nice. I actually got to play with a rather early generation CNC machine in high school, and like all things computerized, I had a natural knack for it.

279 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:03:07pm

re: #276 b_sharp

I'd love to be able to shape stone with my mill, but I have no idea what cutters would hold up.

I also have two old propane tanks to be cut down and made into mini foundries for sandcasting gold/silver and aluminum.

IIRC, when I used to get the catalogs from the jewelry supply houses they also sold tools for using machines.

As for the metals - I used to acquire silver in 10oz bars, years ago when it was cheap, with the idea that I would get into casting. Sold them a couple of years ago (and yes, they appreciated.)

I was always fascinated by exotic alloys - check out Beryllium for making alloys hard, or Indium for making them machinable. Unfortunately both are probably contraindicated for direct skin contact jewelry, but would be useful in artwork.

280 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:05:07pm

re: #278 thedopefishlives

I really want to get set up with some CNC equipment someday. I do a lot of mechanical work, and having a mill and lathe to manufacture parts otherwise made out of unobtainium, or for precision work milling blocks and heads, would be very nice. I actually got to play with a rather early generation CNC machine in high school, and like all things computerized, I had a natural knack for it.

My mills are nowhere near as heavy or accurate as the one you likely used, but I'm using my larger mill to tweak the smaller unit to remove all play from the tables, as well as making mounts for the steppers. It will have 4 axes.

The smaller unit uses 1/8" or smaller cutters, so you can see how intricate it should cut in silver.

281 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:07:45pm

re: #280 b_sharp

My mills are nowhere near as heavy or accurate as the one you likely used, but I'm using my larger mill to tweak the smaller unit to remove all play from the tables, as well as making mounts for the steppers.

The smaller unit uses 1/8

The one I actually used was very small. It was basically a demo model of what CNC technology could do. Obviously, I'd like to upscale to something that could handle large engine parts.

On a similar topic, one of the neatest pieces of technology I've ever seen, though I did not use it firsthand, was a 3D plastic printer. One of my old employers bought one and their R&D engineers would create mock-up parts on it. That would usually be good for a short break from work while everyone watched it building.

282 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:08:39pm

re: #279 freetoken

IIRC, when I used to get the catalogs from the jewelry supply houses they also sold tools for using machines.

As for the metals - I used to acquire silver in 10oz bars, years ago when it was cheap, with the idea that I would get into casting. Sold them a couple of years ago (and yes, they appreciated.)

I was always fascinated by exotic alloys - check out Beryllium for making alloys hard, or Indium for making them machinable. Unfortunately both are probably contraindicated for direct skin contact jewelry, but would be useful in artwork.

I'm really interested in titanium because it can be coloured by electrolysis, or even aluminum because it can be anodized.

283 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:09:15pm

re: #279 freetoken

IIRC, when I used to get the catalogs from the jewelry supply houses they also sold tools for using machines.

As for the metals - I used to acquire silver in 10oz bars, years ago when it was cheap, with the idea that I would get into casting. Sold them a couple of years ago (and yes, they appreciated.)

I was always fascinated by exotic alloys - check out Beryllium for making alloys hard, or Indium for making them machinable. Unfortunately both are probably contraindicated for direct skin contact jewelry, but would be useful in artwork.

You don't ever want beryllium vaporized or aerosolized--not even grinding an edge on a copper-beryllium chisel. Toxic in nasty ways.

284 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:10:15pm

re: #281 thedopefishlives

The one I actually used was very small. It was basically a demo model of what CNC technology could do. Obviously, I'd like to upscale to something that could handle large engine parts.

On a similar topic, one of the neatest pieces of technology I've ever seen, though I did not use it firsthand, was a 3D plastic printer. One of my old employers bought one and their R&D engineers would create mock-up parts on it. That would usually be good for a short break from work while everyone watched it building.

I just mailed you my magnum heads. Could you port them and increase the intake valve size to 2.02"?

;P

285 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:11:21pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Yes, berylliosis.

However, I always wondered that if one used standard safety procedures (simple breathers), used in casting (not machining) for making a harder bronze if it might be fine.

286 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:11:40pm

re: #284 b_sharp

I just mailed you my magnum heads. Could you port them and increase the intake valve size to 2.02"?

;P

I totally would if I could. It's actually a dream of mine to get into engine building and modding. Take my little Rabbit Mk1 diesel, mod the block with oil squirters for the pistons, slap a turbo on it and let 'er rip.

287 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:16:34pm

re: #285 freetoken

Yes, berylliosis.

However, I always wondered that if one used standard safety procedures (simple breathers), used in casting (not machining) for making a harder bronze if it might be fine.

It it's hot enough to cast, it's probably going to put some in the air. There's a lot of industrial hygiene info out there, but I remember the cost of controlling and monitoring to be out of casual reach. We had great concern maintaining the non-sparking tool sets for our production lines. Still got a BeCu screw driver around here somewhere.

288 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:17:46pm

re: #286 thedopefishlives

I totally would if I could. It's actually a dream of mine to get into engine building and modding. Take my little Rabbit Mk1 diesel, mod the block with oil squirters for the pistons, slap a turbo on it and let 'er rip.

I'm pulling the heads and intake off my Jeep during the next couple of weeks (as long as it doesn't rain). I'll be porting them by port matching and removing casting marks. I have a supercharger downstairs that I'm thinking about adding, but if I do I'll have to add an intercooler.

289 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:21:25pm

re: #288 b_sharp

I'm pulling the heads and intake off my Jeep during the next couple of weeks (as long as it doesn't rain). I'll be porting them by port matching and removing casting marks. I have a supercharger downstairs that I'm thinking about adding, but if I do I'll have to add an intercooler.

The main reason I want to start doing engines is that my dad maintains a fleet of antique John Deere farm tractors. He's already pulled 2 engines and taken them in to the dealer for rebuilding. It'd be nice if he could just bring them up on a visit with new internal parts and I could do the work for him.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:22:25pm

Yahoo News put up a fluff piece about Kim Jong Un, and his new innovations, which appear to involve allowing earrings and pants on women, a pizza place in Pyongyang, and building an amusement park for some carefully selected children.

The majority of the country, of course, is still one load of foreign aid away from starvation.

I do not know if I am more horrified by the idiots talking about how the North Koreans are getting freedom while Obama is taking ours away (pout), (and one comparing Kim to Republicans) or the idiots who are talking about this is great, and the whole country is opening up, and they must be doing OK if they have money for amusement parks, and oh, everyone SAYS people are starving there, but who knows what it's really like, hmmmm?

Is the world really so full of childish idiots who a. don't realize how goddamn lucky they are or b. are just stupid?

291 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:23:39pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

"b."

292 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:25:20pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

Next they'll want Levi's and Stones cassettes, and the whole workers paradise goes to hell.

293 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:25:31pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

Yahoo News put up a fluff piece about Kim Jong Un, and his new innovations, which appear to involve allowing earrings and pants on women, a pizza place in Pyongyang, and building an amusement park for some carefully selected children.

The majority of the country, of course, is still one load of foreign aid away from starvation.

I do not know if I am more horrified by the idiots talking about how the North Koreans are getting freedom while Obama is taking ours away (pout), (and one comparing Kim to Republicans) or the idiots who are talking about this is great, and the whole country is opening up, and they must be doing OK if they have money for amusement parks, and oh, everyone SAYS people are starving there, but who knows what it's really like, hmmm?

Is the world really so full of childish idiots who a. don't realize how goddamn lucky they are or b. are just stupid?

i'm going to go with: C. Rand Paul.

294 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:25:34pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

b to the max.

295 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:26:28pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

i'm going to go with: C. Rand Paul.

D. Ron Paul!

297 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:30:18pm

The next story is from FNC, but I feel the group may find it of minor interest. First Brad Pitt's younger brother Doug gets an ad with Virgin Mobile, and now his mother endorses Mitt Romney:


Brad Pitt's mom slams Barack Obama, gay marriage in pro-Mitt Romney editorial letter

In a letter to the Springfield News-Leader, Pitt’s mother Jane Pitt voiced her support for Mitt Romney, a man “who is against abortion, and shares Christian conviction concerning homosexuality.”

Pitt’s mother wrote that while she is a Christian who differs “with the Mormon religion,” she is supporting the Republican presidential nominee.

“I think any Christian should spend much time in prayer before refusing to vote for a family man with high morals, business experience, who is against abortion, and shares Christian conviction concerning homosexuality just because he is a Mormon,” she wrote.

Pitt was also vocal in her opposition to “Barack Hussein Obama – a man who sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for years, did not hold a ceremony to mark the National Day of Prayer, and is a liberal who supports the killing of unborn babies and same-sex marriage.”

Pitt closed by calling voting “a sacred privilege and a serious responsibility.”

Brad's mom sounds like an evangelical SoCon to me.

298 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:32:01pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

I'm of the "who gives a whooppe" what any celebrity, or celebrity relative or hanger-on thinks, opinion.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:33:17pm

Apparently the whole women wearing pants thing is a big deal.

I told 'em over on Harry's Place that that lost him the haredi (traditional Orthodox) vote, but I guess that's not a big deal in a country with no haredim. And no vote.

300 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:33:22pm

re: #298 Dancing along the light of day

I'm of the "who gives a whooppe" what any celebrity, or celebrity relative or hanger-on thinks, opinion.

Well, I can certainly understand that. How's the weather out there in Cali? It's still 100+ degrees during the day here in Chicagoland.

301 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:34:13pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

The next story is from FNC, but I feel the group may find it of minor interest. First Brad Pitt's younger brother Doug gets an ad with Virgin Mobile, and now his mother endorses Mitt Romney:


Brad Pitt's mom slams Barack Obama, gay marriage in pro-Mitt Romney editorial letter

Brad's mom sounds like an evangelical SoCon to me.

[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:34:52pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

The next story is from FNC, but I feel the group may find it of minor interest. First Brad Pitt's younger brother Doug gets an ad with Virgin Mobile, and now his mother endorses Mitt Romney:


Brad Pitt's mom slams Barack Obama, gay marriage in pro-Mitt Romney editorial letter

Brad's mom sounds like an evangelical SoCon to me.

My first instinct is to say that Brad's mom should have stayed out of the public sphere, but I guess you don't lose your right to write a letter about your political beliefs just because your kid is a movie star.

303 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:35:14pm

re: #301 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]

Been sitting on that one all day.

304 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:36:00pm

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

Beautiful, 70 during the day, 60 at night. Supposed to warm up for the weekend. The big blessing is we always cool off at night. Hope you are well.

305 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:36:12pm

re: #301 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]

Set phasers on "Zap Killgore"...

306 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:37:04pm

P.M. Dawn ~ So On, So On:

307 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:37:08pm

re: #298 Dancing along the light of day

It is better to ask a structural engineer or a hydrologist.

Not enough of these types in Congress either.

308 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:37:37pm

re: #304 Dancing along the light of day

Beautiful, 70 during the day, 60 at night. Supposed to warm up for the weekend. The big blessing is we always cool off at night. Hope you are well.

I'm decent, but the heat is taking its toll. I'm tired a lot these days.

309 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:40:11pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

The next story is from FNC, but I feel the group may find it of minor interest. First Brad Pitt's younger brother Doug gets an ad with Virgin Mobile, and now his mother endorses Mitt Romney:


Brad Pitt's mom slams Barack Obama, gay marriage in pro-Mitt Romney editorial letter

Brad's mom sounds like an evangelical SoCon to me.

I kept seeing "Brad Pitt's mom this" and "Brad Pitt's mom that" on Twitter but never clicked through. So that's what this was about. Yawn.

310 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:40:48pm

re: #289 thedopefishlives

The main reason I want to start doing engines is that my dad maintains a fleet of antique John Deere farm tractors. He's already pulled 2 engines and taken them in to the dealer for rebuilding. It'd be nice if he could just bring them up on a visit with new internal parts and I could do the work for him.

That's pretty cool. I've driven a couple of old JD ARs in my time.

311 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:41:42pm

What does Pitt's fine religious mom think about shacking up without benefit of clergy?

312 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:43:13pm

re: #311 Decatur Deb

What does Pitt's fine religious mom think about shacking up without benefit of clergy?

how should I know and why would I care?

/following along with Floral and Killgore here...

313 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:44:56pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

how should I know and why would I care?

/following along with Floral and Killgore here...

You should know because she seems free with moral instruction. You should care because you will live with the next president for at least four years.

314 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:45:28pm

re: #311 Decatur Deb

What does Pitt's fine religious mom think about shacking up without benefit of clergy?

I bet she doesn't like it.

315 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:45:42pm

re: #311 Decatur Deb

She wants a threesome?
///

316 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:46:25pm

re: #310 b_sharp

That's pretty cool. I've driven a couple of old JD ARs in my time.

Awesome. Dad's got a rather extensive collection, maintenance is almost a full-time job in and of itself. Whenever I go home, like next weekend, I always get a laundry list of tasks to tackle out in the barn. This month's special involves lots of engine tuning.

317 palomino  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:47:59pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

The next story is from FNC, but I feel the group may find it of minor interest. First Brad Pitt's younger brother Doug gets an ad with Virgin Mobile, and now his mother endorses Mitt Romney:


Brad Pitt's mom slams Barack Obama, gay marriage in pro-Mitt Romney editorial letter

Brad's mom sounds like an evangelical SoCon to me.

Brad got out of that small-town bible belt environment when the getting was good. His mom's another TP fossil.

I just did a bad thing, but couldn't help myself. I flipped off the TPers who protest most Fridays here in Studio City, CA at intersection of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Blvd. Sorry, but people who spread lies about the president while calling him "barry" and "hussein" deserve the middle finger.

318 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:49:30pm

re: #314 prairiefire

I bet she doesn't like it.

Yes, but she'd more likely than not condemn her own sin as she might condemn others. People tend to give their family breaks they do not extend to most people (I know that I do that myself).

319 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:50:45pm

re: #317 palomino

Brad got out of that small-town bible belt environment when the getting was good. His mom's another TP fossil.

I just did a bad thing, but couldn't help myself. I flipped off the TPers who protest most Fridays here in Studio City, CA at intersection of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Blvd. Sorry, but people who spread lies about the president while calling him "barry" and "hussein" deserve the middle finger.

Feel free to flip her off. It doesn't bother me at all. I just posted that as a tidbit.

320 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:51:41pm

re: #317 palomino

Brad got out of that small-town bible belt environment when the getting was good. His mom's another TP fossil.

I just did a bad thing, but couldn't help myself. I flipped off the TPers who protest most Fridays here in Studio City, CA at intersection of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Blvd. Sorry, but people who spread lies about the president while calling him "barry" and "hussein" deserve the middle finger.

I wanted to do that when the TPGOP marched in this year's 4th of July parade, but there were too many kids around.

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:51:49pm

re: #313 Decatur Deb

You should know because she seems free with moral instruction. You should care because you will live with the next president for at least four years.

Yes, but that won't be Brad Pitt's mother.

Luckily.

At least that I can stop worrying about.

322 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:52:43pm

re: #316 thedopefishlives

Awesome. Dad's got a rather extensive collection, maintenance is almost a full-time job in and of itself. Whenever I go home, like next weekend, I always get a laundry list of tasks to tackle out in the barn. This month's special involves lots of engine tuning.

While I was staying at my mom's acreage one winter, her husband seized the manual transmission on their van about 10miles away. Him and I rode the JD out to the van in -25C weather. At least I got to steer the van while he towed it with the tractor.

Coldest damn trip I've ever taken.

323 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:52:50pm

re: #317 palomino

Brad got out of that small-town bible belt environment when the getting was good. His mom's another TP fossil.

I just did a bad thing, but couldn't help myself. I flipped off the TPers who protest most Fridays here in Studio City, CA at intersection of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Blvd. Sorry, but people who spread lies about the president while calling him "barry" and "hussein" deserve the middle finger.

And to be fair to Mrs. Pitt, she did not call President Obama "Barry", though she did pointedly use his middle name, which is always a warning sign.

324 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:58:23pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but she'd more likely than not condemn her own sin as she might condemn others. People tend to give their family breaks they do not extend to most people (I know that I do that myself).

No wonder he doesn't let them be interviewed very often. A crack in the controlled veneer.

325 palomino  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:00:13pm

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

And to be fair to Mrs. Pitt, she did not call President Obama "Barry", though she did pointedly use his middle name, which is always a warning sign.

I was actually talking about the protesters here in L.A. But Pitt's mother's use of "Hussein" is no accident. I'm sure Brad must be embarrassed that this has become a story. Maybe Brad and Angelina bonded in the first place over the fact that they each have a raving lunatic RW fanatic TPer for a parent. Jolie's dad is the once great actor Jon Voight (Midnight Cowboy, Deliverance, Coming Home, Anaconda?); now he's better known as the best friend of Glenn Beck.

326 blueraven  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:00:18pm

re: #324 prairiefire

No wonder he doesn't let them be interviewed very often. A crack in the controlled veneer.

Well her and Angelina's dad, John Voight, do make such a lovely couple. /

327 palomino  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:01:42pm

re: #320 thedopefishlives

I wanted to do that when the TPGOP marched in this year's 4th of July parade, but there were too many kids around.

That was the smart and mature thing to do. I wish I had your self-restraint.

328 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:06:24pm

re: #325 palomino

I was actually talking about the protesters here in L.A. But Pitt's mother's use of "Hussein" is no accident. I'm sure Brad must embarrassed that this has become a story. Maybe Brad and Angelina bonded in the first place over the fact that they each have a raving lunatic RW fanatic TPer for a parent. Jolie's dad is the once great actor Jon Voight (Midnight Cowboy, Deliverance, Coming Home, Anaconda?); now he's better known as the best friend of Glenn Beck.

Well, actors are often politically irrational. See Robbins, Tim, and Fonda, Jane.

329 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:08:30pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Well, actors are often politically irrational. See Robbins, Tim, and Fonda, Jane.

Lefty does not equal irrational.

330 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:14:31pm

re: #329 prairiefire

Lefty does not equal irrational.

No, it doesn't. Al Franken is left-wing, but not irrational. I was just citing those two as irrational. They are left-wing, Voight is right-wing. The irrationality is independent of where they fall on the political spectrum, instead being based on their behavior. Fair enough?

331 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:14:59pm

re: #327 palomino

That was the smart and mature thing to do. I wish I had your self-restraint.

Heh, I don't have the same restraint when I'm on the freeway. ;)

332 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:19:57pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

{{D_F}} Hope you are well.

333 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:21:01pm

re: #332 prairiefire

{{D_F}} Hope you are well.

As well as can be in this heat.

334 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:22:19pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

As well as can be in this heat.

It's supposed to be cooler on Monday.

335 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:24:44pm

re: #334 prairiefire

It's supposed to be cooler on Monday.

Indeed. The break is to come behind a front of storms tomorrow night. That will hopefully lower things into the the 80's on Sunday. We shall see....

Thank you for your concern, BTW. It is appreciated.

336 Mich-again  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:02:55pm
“Unfortunately it will not be limited to the Founders’ religion,” Hodges said.

This points out how utterly uneducated these people are. It's stupid elevated to an art form.

337 simoom  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:53:21am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

If all else fails try the freezer trick.

No idea why this might work, but it definitely has for me. Had a dead HDD maybe 10 years ago and did the ziplock bagged freezer thing, and was able to recover all my data before tossing the failed drive out.

338 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 6:05:21am

I've sent her a very polite email via her website expressing my concerns, and asking if she is also against funds going to a Jewish school (of which there are 3 in LA). I don't expect a reply, but if I do, I'll post it up here when it comes in.

RBS


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