1 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:53:01pm

There's a flow chart going around on Facebook to see if you 'get' the Higgs boson.

First question: "Are you looking at the boson right now?"

2 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:53:50pm

For the creationists out there:

ITS THE DEVIL! ITS THE DEVIL! ITS THE DEVIL! ITS THE DEVIL!

3 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:56:04pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a flow chart going around on Facebook to see if you 'get' the Higgs boson.

First question: "Are you looking at the boson right now?"

Not likely, it's smaller than the wavelength our eyes can see.

4 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 7:56:35pm

Much better: Brian Cox: What really goes on at the Large Hadron Collider

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:02:45pm

re: #3 b_sharp

Not likely, it's smaller than the wavelength our eyes can see.

Yes, saying 'yes' to that gets you "Don't lie to a flow chart."

6 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:04:04pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, saying 'yes' to that gets you "Don't lie to a flow chart."

Next question.

7 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:04:54pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a flow chart going around on Facebook to see if you 'get' the Higgs boson.

First question: "Are you looking at the boson right now?"

Yes, I can just make it out and...
...
...
...
My God, it's full of stars!

/Sorry, I couldn't resist.

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:05:55pm

re: #6 b_sharp

Next question.

Here's the whole chart.

[Link: www.who2.com...]

9 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:14:56pm

He always gets invited to parties. After all, what's not to higgs-like?

10 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:21:42pm

Lots of lightning here right now. I guess its time to go outside and climb my aluminum ladder.

11 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:24:02pm

Collider, sub atomic particles blah blah blah. The really big question is what is Justin Bieber doing right now.

///

12 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:25:32pm

re: #11 jhrhv

Collider, sub atomic particles blah blah blah. The really big question is what is Justin Bieber doing right now.

///

Going out on a dinner date with his leading lady.

13 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:25:40pm

re: #10 b_sharp

Lots of lightning here right now. I guess its time to go outside and climb my aluminum ladder.

NO!...

Do you have a copper ladder handy?

14 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:27:20pm

I've got to try this.

15 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:33:29pm

re: #11 jhrhv

Collider, sub atomic particles blah blah blah. The really big question is what is Justin Bieber doing right now.

///

Well he got pulled over for speeding in some sick chrome car today. Amazing that an 18 year old drives a car like that.

16 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:37:42pm

re: #15 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Well he got pulled over for speeding in some sick chrome car today. Amazing that an 18 year old drives a car like that.

It's a typical stupid mistake made at his age, nothing to worry about.

17 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:39:15pm

I find it kind of sad that more people will know what Beiber is doing today than are probably aware that scientists believe they found a Giant Dark Matter Bridge Between Galaxy Clusters

18 Mattand  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:39:18pm

Paraphrasing from a comment I saw at Raw Story, but Europe discovers the Higgs boson while half of America rejects evolution.

It's an oversimplification, granted, but still frustrating.

19 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:41:32pm

re: #17 jhrhv

I find it kind of sad that more people will know what Beiber is doing today than are probably aware that scientists believe they found a Giant Dark Matter Bridge Between Galaxy Clusters

Were the clusters globular? ;)

20 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:44:26pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Were the clusters globular? ;)

Obviously shopped...

21 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:45:23pm

re: #18 Mattand

I spent a week in D.C. toward the end of last year. Pretty much every Smithsonian building was flowing with loads of people. The Air and Space and Natural History had loads of kids going through them.

Filled me with hope for our future that many of my work colleagues never do.

22 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:49:11pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Much better: Brian Cox: What really goes on at the Large Hadron Collider

[Embedded content]

Well. That was an absolutely tremendous use of fifteen minutes of my life. Thanks, KG!

23 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:49:11pm

What is a Higgs Boson?

In less than 4 minutes.

24 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:49:28pm

Well that was interesting. 20 seconds after my last post, a huge thunderboomer sounded, the cats sprinted for the basement and the power went out.

Spooky!

25 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:52:35pm

re: #24 b_sharp

Well that was interesting. 20 seconds after my last post, a huge thunderboomer sounded, the cats sprinted for the basement and the power went out.

Spooky!

Varek has great powers. Sleep with one eye open tonight. Aye.

26 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:54:13pm

One of the things Higgs Boson has left me thinking about this week is how little we really know about everything around us and even in us.

27 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:54:39pm

re: #25 Gus

Varek has great powers. Sleep with one eye open tonight. Aye.

Not that impressive considering he has 14 of them.

Bloody mutant.

28 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:56:17pm

Minor thunderstorm here now. Rain. Cool weather. Nice.

29 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:56:25pm

re: #27 Kragar

Not that impressive considering he has 14 of them.

Bloody mutant.

I do not have 14 eyes.

But I do have two heads.

30 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:57:01pm

re: #26 jhrhv

One of the things Higgs Boson has left me thinking about this week is how little we really know about everything around us and even in us.

Charles? Can we have a Lindsey Lohan thread?

I'm bored. And math's hard!

31 Kragar  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:58:17pm

re: #30 austin_blue

Charles? Can we have a Lindsey Lohan thread?

I'm bored. And math's hard!

32 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 8:58:42pm

It's interesting how we're made up of what could be called electronic particles. The same particles that form a rock also can form blood, flesh and bone. A leaf and a piece of plastic. All traveling through a Higgs field made up of Higgs bosons.

33 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:00:12pm

re: #32 Gus

It's interesting how we're made up of what could be called electronic particles. The same particles that form a rock also can form blood, flesh and bone. A leaf and a piece of plastic. All traveling through a Higgs field made up of Higgs bosons.

It's all in how they're put together.

34 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:00:23pm

So a Higgs field would really mean that until we go a step before that, it means there really isn't a thing as nothingness, a vacuum void of even energy. What me seems like nothing is made up of another layer of energy.

35 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:00:29pm

Bang!

36 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:00:39pm

Might have to bail.

37 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:00:59pm

Just had a close strike.

38 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:01:24pm

re: #33 b_sharp

It's all in how they're put together.

Right. Like DNA even.

39 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:01:55pm

Hipsters in Brooklyn take a guess ~ [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

40 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:02:08pm

re: #37 Gus

Hope you have a power bar or unplugged don't want to fry your machines.

41 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:02:37pm

re: #40 jhrhv

Hope you have a power bar or unplugged don't want to fry your machines.

Quieter now.

42 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:06:00pm

More random particles. One minute it's powering your wifi the next its blowing it apart.

43 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:08:24pm

re: #30 austin_blue

Charles? Can we have a Lindsey Lohan thread?

I'm bored. And math's hard!

Really, Austin, Really?

Well, I suppose:

A porn star with whom Lindsay Lohan shares the screen in her latest movie has denied he is sleeping with her.

That is, however, from a statement made in an interview prior to last night's festivities.

At the time of the chat with Animal New York, James Deen claimed he had not slept with LiLo and that he knew very little about her following a short business meeting in which she remained teetotal.

Yet last night, the pair ventured out together for Independence Day celebrations to Shore Bar in Santa Monica, California, and were seen leaving together in the same car.

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Satisfied? :)

44 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:08:38pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

It's a typical stupid mistake made at his age, nothing to worry about.

IN THAT CAR? No 18 year old should be in that car. did you see the pic?

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

check out the chrome car.

45 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:08:47pm

I'm just watching yesterday's Tour de France. Ryder Hesjedal had a major accident. So many crashes this year. Don't think I've ever seen anything like this year with multiple crashes everyday. Ryder was 18 seconds back he lost something like 13 minutes today.

Guess he won't be following up the Giro with a win in France. Too bad would have been very exciting if he did.

46 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:08:56pm

re: #39 prairiefire

Hipsters in Brooklyn take a guess ~ [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Better to say you don't know then look like a fool.

47 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:10:15pm

re: #44 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Cool car. I think that is an all electric power hot rod. Not like my Prius.

48 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:11:35pm

re: #40 jhrhv

Hope you have a power bar or unplugged don't want to fry your machines.

My important systems are on UPSs with surge protection and line conditioner.

49 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:12:04pm

re: #47 jhrhv

Cool car. I think that is an all electric power hot rod. Not like my Prius.

SICK

50 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:12:27pm

re: #46 Gus

Or give the anagram: "I Hogs Bongs".

51 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:13:05pm

re: #44 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

IN THAT CAR? No 18 year old should be in that car. did you see the pic?

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

check out the chrome car.

I don't like it. But then again, I tend not to like any cars that don't have enough head room for me to sit in comfortably. And since I'm 6'4", the list of cars that don't have room for my head is not a tiny list.

52 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:13:16pm

re: #50 freetoken

Or give the anagram: "I Hogs Bongs".

Yeah man. Like the Higgs field is like resin in your pipe man.

//

53 abolitionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:14:40pm

re: #17 jhrhv

I find it kind of sad that more people will know what Beiber is doing today than are probably aware that scientists believe they found a Giant Dark Matter Bridge Between Galaxy Clusters

Found another article with that overlay, but also with a second photo of the dual-galaxies. Scroll down.
Dark-Matter Thread Revealed

Excerpt:

The cosmic web's individual strands are difficult to detect not only because dark matter is invisible, but also because it's so diffuse. The filaments are roughly tube-like in shape, and most are oriented vertically from our perspective, so we look through their short dimension instead of along their length. But the strand connecting Abell 222 and Abell 223 happens to be pointing along our line of sight, so we look straight down the barrel. This orientation puts more material between us and the light sources beyond the clusters, which enhances the lensing effect and makes the dark matter detectable.

So it seems that most of the mass within our universe is along these "filaments", and that most galaxies (a minor part of the mass, which we can see) tend to be found along these filaments, but especially where they intersect, in a sort of web-like structure, as illustrated in this video:
The Cosmic Web, or: What does the universe look like at a VERY large scale?

54 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:14:47pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

I don't like it. But then again, I tend not to like any cars that don't have enough head room for me to sit in comfortably. And since I'm 6'4", the list of cars that don't have room for my head is not a tiny list.

Remove your head and set it in the seat beside you, or putting it up on the dash might be better.

55 ozbloke  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:14:52pm

re: #50 freetoken

Or give the anagram: "I Hogs Bongs".

/ That may explain all the weird stuff going on.

56 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:15:27pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Really, Austin, Really?

Well, I suppose:

Satisfied? :)

Oh, yay! That's something I can understand!

She is just *such* a little trollop!

57 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:15:35pm

re: #54 b_sharp

Remove your head and set it in the seat beside you, or putting it up on the dash might be better.

Sorry, I don't come equipped with that feature.

58 ozbloke  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:16:12pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

I don't like it. But then again, I tend not to like any cars that don't have enough head room for me to sit in comfortably. And since I'm 6'4", the list of cars that don't have room for my head is not a tiny list.

For that car I might be willing to give a bit of head.

59 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:16:21pm

re: #54 b_sharp

Remove your head and set it in the seat beside you, or putting it up on the dash might be better.

Or maybe like a head cartridge you can switch in between cyborg body types depending on the need.

//

60 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:17:45pm

re: #48 b_sharp

I used to have a really good power protection system for my systems. A good friend electrician hooked me up. I spilled a cup of coffee on the power strip and nothing happened to anything. I didn't even know it had happened until one day when I was cleaning up and found a huge coffee stain on the floor and power strip.

Now I'm mostly on laptops so I don't even think about it anymore.

61 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:17:51pm

Robocop for the day.

Yes. I'd like a double latte with extra cream and a tinge of lemon please.

62 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:19:19pm

re: #59 Gus

Or maybe like a head cartridge you can switch in between cyborg body types depending on the need.

//

You are Borg!

63 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:20:24pm

re: #58 ozbloke

For that car I might be willing to give a bit of head.

Well, he's eighteen, so I guess that would be legal...

64 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:20:57pm

re: #44 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

A coffin with wheels!

65 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:21:19pm

re: #60 jhrhv

I used to have a really good power protection system for my systems. A good friend electrician hooked me up. I spilled a cup of coffee on the power strip and nothing happened to anything. I didn't even know it had happened until one day when I was cleaning up and found a huge coffee stain on the floor and power strip.

Now I'm mostly on laptops so I don't even think about it anymore.

I have a couple of servers connected to UPSes.

66 ozbloke  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:21:35pm

re: #63 austin_blue

Well, he's eighteen, so I guess that would be legal...

Bieber? On second thoughts, errr no.

67 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:21:42pm

re: #63 austin_blue

Well, he's eighteen, so I guess that would be legal...

Plus mine comes with an emergency 12 hour oxygen supply.

//

68 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:22:16pm

re: #53 abolitionist

It really is awesome to me. A book I have says more than 70% the universe is made up of dark matter. We know so little about it. It is analogous to living on earth and not knowing there are oceans on it.

69 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:22:56pm

re: #68 jhrhv

It really is awesome to me. A book I have says more than 70% the universe is made up of dark matter. We know so little about it. It is analogous to living on earth and not knowing there are oceans on it.

We are so tiny.

70 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:23:36pm

re: #64 prairiefire

A coffin with wheels!

Seriously, with a rich kid driving.

71 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:23:57pm

re: #65 b_sharp

I haven't had a server at home since college days. Once in awhile I'll get a retired power desktop from work and turn it into a Linux server for goofing around with and just to see what's up with newer releases.

What sort of stuff do you have running at home?

72 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:25:00pm

Chris Rock’s ‘Independence Day’ tweet controversy reveals American racial divide
by James Braxton Peterson

...But Rock’s point (or Douglass’ for that matter) is not to harp on the negative realities for black folk in America — past or present. The point is to honor the struggle and the transcendence of those who are oppressed — those who are denied access to the ‘American Dream’ even though their ancestors literally built this country. What no one on Twitter who hated this tweet even mentioned is that the real joke — the punch line — is that slaves endured a particularly violent form of “fireworks” — they were raped, branded, and whipped regularly and whipped, beaten, and sometimes burned when they aspired to be free....

73 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:25:10pm

re: #69 b_sharp

We are so tiny.

Speak for yourself.

74 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:25:34pm

You think they could have spilled the change over this direction:


Buffett gives away $1.5B

Warren Buffett, the billionaire who pledged to donate most of his wealth to charity, contributed stock valued at $1.52 billion in his annual gift to the foundation created by Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates.

Buffett, chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway, donated about 18.4 million of his company’s Class B shares to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, according to a filing issued yesterday. The shares closed at $82.54.

Buffett, a trustee of the foundation, is the No. 3 richest man in the world, with a net worth of about $46 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, a daily ranking of the wealthiest people.

75 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:26:33pm

re: #70 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Seriously, with a rich kid driving.

How many stories have you heard about the rich young kid with a car? DOA

76 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:27:11pm

re: #75 prairiefire

How many stories have you heard about the rich young kid with a car? DOA

Not a fun subject, though.

77 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:28:13pm

re: #74 freetoken

You think they could have spilled the change over this direction:

Buffett gives away $1.5B

Traitor to his class. The Koch's have got a hit out for him right now.

"Can't someone rid me of this troublesome plutocrat?"

78 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:28:28pm

re: #75 prairiefire

Lets hope not. My 6 year old niece would be heart broken. She calls Beiber her boyfriend.

79 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:29:46pm

re: #71 jhrhv

I haven't had a server at home since college days. Once in awhile I'll get a retired power desktop from work and turn it into a Linux server for goofing around with and just to see what's up with newer releases.

What sort of stuff do you have running at home?

Two LAMP systems with pop/imap/smtp, Samba file access, Web, firewall, anti-virus and content filter.

I have another server I'm working on with KVM VMs running similar configurations.

80 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:29:50pm

Noticed on my other machine that this Windows 7 addon I was using gets this huge dllhose.exe memory hole in it. Which brought along explorer.exe for the ride. Both were about evenly split and the total memory draw was at 14 GB. The CPU basically sat at 100 percent. Didn't crash though and the Scott kept chugging away. Uninstalled.

81 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:30:21pm

re: #73 austin_blue

Speak for yourself.

Pepper and tweezers.

82 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:30:35pm

Getting late here. They just finished the sprint and Sagan wins again. Time for me to turn in. Night Lizards.

83 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:30:46pm

Interesting take on the oh my! tweet of Chris Rock on the 4th - the Grio,


[Link: thegrio.com...]

84 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:30:49pm

re: #81 b_sharp

Pepper and tweezers.

Hammers and Tongs.

85 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:33:51pm

re: #84 prairiefire

Hammers and Tongs.

I'm just trying to grab it, not punish it.

86 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:34:00pm

re: #79 b_sharp

You sound like a nerd after my own heart. I've done similar stuff myself. I used to have an ssh vnc tunnel to get around the firewall at work. I've found another less noticeable way to bypass their security now. ;)

87 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:36:17pm

Well, I understand more than I did before.

Now I'm going back to cute pictures of kitties.

88 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:37:43pm

Didn't Hawking lose a bet about the Higgs boson?

89 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:39:26pm
90 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:39:51pm

re: #86 jhrhv

You sound like a nerd after my own heart. I've done similar stuff myself. I used to have an ssh vnc tunnel to get around the firewall at work. I've found another less noticeable way to bypass their security now. ;)

I use PuTTY all the time, and I used to use it and tightVNC to connect to my customer's systems before Teamviewer came along.

One school where I had a web filter going, I had an ongoing game with one of the students who would find a way to bypass the filter, I'd catch him and plug the hole.

It was fun.

91 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:39:56pm

I see Barbara Walters is doing a little bit on "Heaven" on the ABC 20/20 show. E.g., here is one part:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Her summary statements at the beginning of her segments are full of erroneous generalities. She really is seeing the world from her Western generally religious cultural upbringing.

Here's her "Science" segment:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

I think there are 7 segments in all.

92 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:40:15pm

Looks like they needed a snow shoe clip.

93 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:40:44pm

re: #91 freetoken

I see Barbara Walters is doing a little bit on "Heaven" on the ABC 20/20 show. E.g., here is one part:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Her summary statements at the beginning of her segments are full of erroneous generalities. She really is seeing the world from her Western generally religious cultural upbringing.

Here's her "Science" segment:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

I think there are 7 segments in all.

Too late I see the word "faith" in those links!

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:41:56pm

Trying to find more on wikipedia. This is the sentence where I think my ability to understand stopped:

The Higgs mechanism is a process by which vector bosons can get rest mass without explicitly breaking gauge invariance

95 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:43:05pm

re: #93 Gus

Too late I see the word "faith" in those links!

Hey, even Deists have Faith. In science, in the fallibility of man, in the pandering of politicians...

96 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:43:35pm

re: #94 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Physics entries on Wikipedia can be immeasurably dense.

97 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:44:16pm

re: #91 freetoken

I see Barbara Walters is doing a little bit on "Heaven" on the ABC 20/20 show. E.g., here is one part:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Her summary statements at the beginning of her segments are full of erroneous generalities. She really is seeing the world from her Western generally religious cultural upbringing.

Here's her "Science" segment:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

I think there are 7 segments in all.

It's also the way an American audience, even a fairly liberal one, will want to see the story. The kind of 'neutralism' seen in Europe on reporting matters of faith isn't really welcome here. Americans want to hear their faith validated publicly, not publicly brought into question.

98 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:44:18pm

re: #95 austin_blue

Hey, even Deists have Faith. In science, in the fallibility of man, in the pandering of politicians...

Well. Freetoken seemed to have added a lot of spoilers. Plus it's Barbara Walters. I'll wait for the Joy Behar video to come out first.

//

99 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:44:56pm

re: #96 freetoken

Physics entries on Wikipedia can be immeasurably dense.

I'm going to see if I can find a page somewhere like "Particle physics for Dummies." (Actually, if you want a good intro page for any science anything, enter in the subject + kids.)

100 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:45:13pm

i'm just now having some strong belgian ale to help me recover from xml hell

the united states is sure to be brought to its knees someday because of an ill formed element

101 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:46:13pm

See that's the thing too. When I watch or listen to these things I'm not thinking about God or no-God.

102 sagehen  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:46:15pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Going out on a dinner date with his leading lady.

He got really skinny all of a sudden. Are we sure he's not on drugs?

103 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:46:34pm

Like this:

[Link: www.seymoursimon.com...]

104 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:47:59pm

so the higgs bosons are like all the suvs on the 880?

105 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:51:14pm

re: #100 engineer cat

Welcome back to the land of the living, not binary bites.

106 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:51:24pm

re: #104 engineer cat

so the higgs bosons are like all the suvs on the 880?

If an suv decays, you just get crud in a junkyard.

107 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:51:31pm

re: #102 sagehen

He got really skinny all of a sudden. Are we sure he's not on drugs?

He used to be shorter than Gomez.

108 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:52:42pm

re: #105 prairiefire

Welcome back to the land of the living, not binary bites.

Half a byte is a nibble.

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:54:17pm

re: #102 sagehen

He got really skinny all of a sudden. Are we sure he's not on drugs?

He may just be growing. Also, I think there's a lot more pressure on boys in the entertainment field to stay skinny than there used to be.

110 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:55:05pm

Ugh. Thunderf00t vs. PZ Myers. Yawn. Turns page.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:56:25pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

He may just be growing. Also, I think there's a lot more pressure on boys in the entertainment field to stay skinny than there used to be.

But you can see his face is lengthening as well, and he's developing a jawline. Turning into a grown man...be interesting to see if his career can survive that.

He's gonna be sort of cute as a grown-up, I think.

112 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:57:37pm

so my little software product has a unique brand name, naturally, and i'm on the google every day checking up if there is any chatter on it cuz it's like my brand, man, except the last 24 hours results are garbaged up every day since some hyperactive japanese blogger has taken my brand name as his nym

113 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 9:59:08pm

Later.

114 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:00:50pm

re: #113 b_sharp

Later.

Get out! //

115 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:00:50pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

But you can see his face is lengthening as well, and he's developing a jawline. Turning into a grown man...be interesting to see if his career can survive that.

He's gonna be sort of cute as a grown-up, I think.

He won't quite as baby faced once he's grown, I think.

116 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:01:57pm

I can't sleep..I am so excited about moving..
I figure..Hoopster you better post alot now cause soon you'll be doing all the stuff in a move that drives you crazy..
First..I'm taking Winston to Aunt Peggy's house for awhile..I'll be here and there and the stress will be too much for him..
I'll warn the Lizards when I go dark for awhile as we move into the effen middle of nowhere.. I'm so excited I have a big list
A big freaking truck.. A John Deer hat..High speed Internet and great cable..

117 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:02:32pm

To understand what exactly the "Higgs Boson" is supposed to be, one needs first to understand what is a "boson".


A boson is defined as a particle which follows Bose-Einstein statistics. Most particles don't. One difference between the bosons and other particles is that B-E statistics allows two identical particles to overlap (e.g., the photon is one such particle, so two photons can move through the same point in space at the same time.) However, Non B-E statistics particles follow, for example, the exclusion principle.

Bosons turn out to be important for, among any other reason, they get involved in how the other particles interact. For example, when in a nucleus an neutron undergoes beta decay, and turns into a proton, a "W" boson is involved in changing one of the quarks that made up neutron.

From my (limited) understanding, it was Prof. Higgs with a few others who proposed the mechanism (a "field") that described how three different bosons operated (such as the above "W", along with another one that was latter named for Prof. Higgs), and this mechanism became important in broadening the understanding of how little bits interact (i.e., quantum mechanics), and acquired the fancy title "Electro-weak theory".

E-W theory explains why particles do what they do, when they decay into other particles.

In my primitive monkey brain, I ascribe the "Higgs boson" as that particle that transfers the "stuff" of matter - note how indescribable this really is, ontologically. That is because the word physicists love to throw around - "field" - is itself rather nebulous, sort of transferring an intuitive meaning to the listener but trying to pin down a definition of "field" sends the student on a tautological loop.

118 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:02:34pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

He may just be growing. Also, I think there's a lot more pressure on boys in the entertainment field to stay skinny than there used to be.

He seems to have gotten a late start on his growth spurt. Unusual to have it wait till age 17-18, but not unheard of.

119 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:02:51pm

re: #116 Digital Display

I can't sleep..I am so excited about moving..
I figure..Hoopster you better post alot now cause soon you'll be doing all the stuff in a move that drives you crazy..
First..I'm taking Winston to Aunt Peggy's house for awhile..I'll be here and there and the stress will be too much for him..
I'll warn the Lizards when I go dark for awhile as we move into the effen middle of nowhere.. I'm so excited I have a big list
A big freaking truck.. A John Deer hat..High speed Internet and great cable..

Yeah but do you own a copy of Top Gun? Hmm?

//

120 bratwurst  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:06:14pm

re: #116 Digital Display

I'll warn the Lizards when I go dark for awhile as we move into the effen middle of nowhere.

How far from Norman are we talking here?

121 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:07:01pm

re: #119 Gus

Yeah but do you own a copy of Top Gun? Hmm?

//

Hi Gus! Probably do.. I have a 3TB Raid that has 1800 movies on it..
How goes it?

122 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:08:46pm

re: #116 Digital Display

destination not for the masses. Understand, but I'm dying to know!!!

123 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:09:46pm

re: #120 bratwurst

How far from Norman are we talking here?

Far Away..In the middle of nowhere.. I'm taking the cash and selling the property in California..

124 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:11:24pm

re: #122 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

destination not for the masses. Understand, but I'm dying to know!!!

I promise you when Winston and I settle in.. I will post where I am..( In the middle of effen nowhere) :)

125 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:12:35pm

re: #121 Digital Display

Hi Gus! Probably do.. I have a 3TB Raid that has 1800 movies on it..
How goes it?

Same old more or less. Sorry, was day dreaming here. It rained and it's well below 70! Got all stuffed on a pepperoni and mushroom pizza with some Red Stripe before. In night mode.

126 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:12:57pm

re: #117 freetoken

To understand what exactly the "Higgs Boson" is supposed to be, one needs first to understand what is a "boson".

A boson is defined as a particle which follows Bose-Einstein statistics. Most particles don't. One difference between the bosons and other particles is that B-E statistics allows two identical particles to overlap (e.g., the photon is one such particle, so two photons can move through the same point in space at the same time.) However, Non B-E statistics particles follow, for example, the exclusion principle.

Bosons turn out to be important for, among any other reason, they get involved in how the other particles interact. For example, when in a nucleus an neutron undergoes beta decay, and turns into a proton, a "W" boson is involved in changing one of the quarks that made up neutron.

From my (limited) understanding, it was Prof. Higgs with a few others who proposed the mechanism (a "field") that described how three different bosons operated (such as the above "W", along with another one that was latter named for Prof. Higgs), and this mechanism became important in broadening the understanding of how little bits interact (i.e., quantum mechanics), and acquired the fancy title "Electro-weak theory".

E-W theory explains why particles do what they do, when they decay into other particles.

In my primitive monkey brain, I ascribe the "Higgs boson" as that particle that transfers the "stuff" of matter - note how indescribable this really is, ontologically. That is because the word physicists love to throw around - "field" - is itself rather nebulous, sort of transferring an intuitive meaning to the listener but trying to pin down a definition of "field" sends the student on a tautological loop.

I read it another way, and I may be completely wrong (I'm a Geologist, not a Doctor, Jim!!), but it seems to me that the Higgs is that which gives energy mass by binding with it. The Higgs doesn't have charge per se, but is *attracted* to charged particles so that it supplies a sufficient amount of mass to each charge so that it can achieve motion (as an electron) or stability within gravity's influence.

Or I'm just a nut job on a Friday night drinking a nice Old Vine Zin and bloviating.

127 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:13:03pm

re: #116 Digital Display

I figured you'd be on boat....
WOOT for you!

128 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:14:34pm

re: #112 engineer cat

Not good! Congrats, though.

129 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:21:05pm

Good night, all.

130 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:22:11pm

re: #127 Dancing along the light of day

I figured you'd be on boat...
WOOT for you!

Thank you..You are the best here Floral...My Cell and email will change soon..I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for the advice on the tax issue in Cali...Damn..

132 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:28:21pm

re: #131 Gus

Tammy Wynette & George Jones - Just Someone I Used To Know

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Without looking--they didn't remix it with a dubstep, did they?

133 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:28:58pm

re: #132 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Without looking--they didn't remix it with a dubstep, did they?

I wouldn't know actually. I like the sound though. :)

134 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:30:27pm
135 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:31:22pm

re: #126 austin_blue

... but it seems to me that the Higgs is that which gives energy mass by binding with it. The Higgs doesn't have charge per se, but is *attracted* to charged particles so that it supplies a sufficient amount of mass to each charge so that it can achieve motion (as an electron) or stability within gravity's influence.

The first problem is then you have to define what is "energy" and what is "mass". The way you have described it, the issue isn't so much with the "mass" part but with what exactly are you calling "energy".

Secondly, the boson isn't so much attracted to "charged particles" - rather, particles interact with the Higgs "field".

This is where the physicists' slight of hand comes in.

Remember, whether something is called a "particle" or a "wave" is simply a function of which concept is the most useful at the time, to solve a problem. Each concept is equally valid for describing reality.

As such, when one wants to describe why any given elementary particle gets a certain mass (e.g., when they are the products of the interaction of other particles) one says they interact with the Higgs field. When one speaks of the Higgs boson one is speaking of something with a particle nature. This particle is the most elementary (i.e., least reducible) way the "field" can manifest itself (sometimes the term "excitation" is used).

136 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:35:12pm

re: #130 Digital Display

Yes, well, don't get me started on the tax bill I got from you know where, today. SO GLAD FOR YOU! (((HH)))

137 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:39:57pm

re: #136 Dancing along the light of day

Yes, well, don't get me started on the tax bill I got from you know where, today. SO GLAD FOR YOU! (((HH)))

Yeah but you're going to get a bullet train! :)

138 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:43:05pm

re: #137 Gus

Nothing nice to say about that.
I do hope it will get used enough to pay for itself, but I am not holding my breath.

139 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:50:47pm

re: #138 Dancing along the light of day

Nothing nice to say about that.
I do hope it will get used enough to pay for itself, but I am not holding my breath.

But. No TSA. Get on board and go from LA to San Jose in less than 4 hours maybe? Of course that would change if they turned it into another Gestapo checkpoint.

140 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:55:00pm

Continuing our late night physics lesson, I think one point not stressed nearly as often as need be is what physicists are attempting to accomplish in this rather muddled world of modern physics.

And, it goes back to Newton. When Newton described gravity he pushed forward understanding of the physical world, yet his theory had one bit of "magic" to it - his gravity acted instantaneously across any distance. And there was no good way to explain this - there was no obvious mechanism.

When general relativity came along it did offer new and improved ways of calculating gravitational attraction (corrections to Newtonian gravity which frankly only become obviously needed when dealing with extreme masses) but more so proposed a mechanism of how two masses interacted by described space-time being bent.

When it comes to stuff - atoms and elementary particles - the theory which describes their physical properties and how they interact, a theory now titled under the umbrella "Standard Model" (SM), likewise mechanisms are sought to explain the interactions. Physical mechanisms (not magic/miracles.)

And that is why a in the early 1960's physicists (like Prof. Higgs) worked to come up with a mechanism that could explain why particles decay, and how exactly they did this. What came to be called the Higgs Field is part of that mechanism.

Thus the latest announcement from CERN underscores that this proposed mechanism for understanding how elementary particles turn into one another is indeed accurate, to the best of our observations. And the latest experiments at CERN are those latest observations.

And this is why some physicist have tried to point out that the announcements, while being important, are a bit of let down, because it is quite clear now that the SM fails (at least by any obvious derivation) to describe some phenomena about which we now know, such as "dark" matter, or the accelerated expansion of the universe, to name the two most widely cited examples.

141 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:56:01pm
142 Gus  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 10:56:04pm

Always remember this. Just because your science might be right doesn't mean we'll agree with you on every single thing.

143 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:16:14pm

re: #135 freetoken

The first problem is then you have to define what is "energy" and what is "mass". The way you have described it, the issue isn't so much with the "mass" part but with what exactly are you calling "energy".

Secondly, the boson isn't so much attracted to "charged particles" - rather, particles interact with the Higgs "field".

This is where the physicists' slight of hand comes in.

Remember, whether something is called a "particle" or a "wave" is simply a function of which concept is the most useful at the time, to solve a problem. Each concept is equally valid for describing reality.

As such, when one wants to describe why any given elementary particle gets a certain mass (e.g., when they are the products of the interaction of other particles) one says they interact with the Higgs field. When one speaks of the Higgs boson one is speaking of something with a particle nature. This particle is the most elementary (i.e., least reducible) way the "field" can manifest itself (sometimes the term "excitation" is used).

Ah, that actually makes sense. Just like a photon is wave and mass at the same time. Duality. Do you suppose that the Higgs field *is* gravity, in that the field gives mass to other elementary particles? And if so, how does the field decide how to allocate mass?

Oh, wait, God particle.

144 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:39:49pm

Bosoms Not Bosons

this has been a message from your local chapter of the friends of blaspheming fornicators

145 freetoken  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:46:07pm

re: #143 austin_blue

Ah, that actually makes sense. Just like a photon is wave and mass at the same time. Duality. Do you suppose that the Higgs field *is* gravity, in that the field gives mass to other elementary particles? And if so, how does the field decide how to allocate mass?

I think you meant "particle" and not "mass" - photons are massless.

No, the Higgs field is not "gravity" as it does not describe the acceleration ("attraction") of one mass acting upon another. Rather, the "field" describes how mass gets from one particle to another when particles change. Perhaps it might be better to think of the "field" as being God's "drawer" - as in the one who draws the checks - making sure each other particle gets their paycheck (i.e., "mass".)

146 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:51:03pm

God's drawers!

147 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:52:12pm

re: #146 Expand Your Ground

Mormon male underpants

148 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 6, 2012 11:54:34pm

waving or particulating - clearly our understanding is at a primitive stage

when i read of the proliferation of quarks and other particles in a Brief History of Time, like a play with too many cast members, and learn of how string theory has morphed into a theory of 'branes that doesn't quite do the trick, i think of the old prgming maxim:

if your algorithm has become really elaborate, and there are still holes, it's time to have a beer and rethink your whole approach, bra

149 EdDantes  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 12:00:53am

re: #145 freetoken

A photon behaves as a particle and a wave and I don't know what the fuck it actually is. It would be very nice if the Higgs boson could add more information on how gravity is related to the electromagnetic and the strong and weak nuclear force. If we could understand and manipulate gravity we are half way to everywhere.

150 EdDantes  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 12:08:39am

re: #147 Dancing along the light of day

Mormon male underpants

Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual.

151 EdDantes  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 12:13:14am

re: #148 engineer cat

If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

152 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 12:59:32am

Road trip. Have a nice rest of weekend.

153 researchok  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 1:04:20am

Morning, all

154 freetoken  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 1:15:04am

Nellie Melba, from 1926:

155 ozbloke  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 1:18:40am

re: #154 freetoken

Nellie Melba, from 1926:

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Thank's freetoken.

156 researchok  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 1:20:50am

re: #154 freetoken

Timeless,

Great catch

157 freetoken  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 2:28:14am
158 Kragar  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 3:29:12am

No matter how many times we watch it, no matter how many times I try to explain it to her, the one thing my wife always says after watching any part of Lord of the Rings is "Frodo is a pussy."

159 freetoken  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 4:12:41am
160 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:01:20am

I was interested up until the point I realized it wasn't Higg's Bosom.

161 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:09:32am

Not reading too much into it, but it looks llike roll your own cigarettes has gone up in smoke.
[Link: www.lvrj.com...]
A lot of guys I work with do this, or buy their cigarettes at the reservation. That's too bad, a pack of smokes in NY is ten bucks. I will take a few down dings, but in the name of health care reform, and our populations well being, we should just ban tobacco.
*ducks*

162 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:14:43am

re: #161 Tommy's cone of shame

Won't ding you, but don't agree at all re: banning tobacco (and this coming from a decades long former 2 1/2+ pack a day smoker)

163 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:18:02am

re: #162 sattv4u2

Ditto 10 years, 1-2 packs a day, and a dipper too (that's how I quit, switched to skoal)
I still crave cigarettes, more than beer, go figure.

164 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:20:07am

re: #163 Tommy's cone of shame

Ditto 10 years, 1-2 packs a day, and a dipper too (that's how I quit, switched to skoal)
I still crave cigarettes, more than beer, go figure.

Quit cold turkey and from that moment never once had a craving for one, even while driving cross country in a van with three other smokers.

165 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:24:19am

Any Phish fans?!
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
If you thought is was a commercial for Ben & Jerry's, sorry.

166 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:28:05am

re: #161 Tommy's cone of shame

btw ,,, I had posted about this yesterday

It's part of the new transportation bill

Because when I think of roads and bridges, I automatically include self service tobacco rolling stores!!!

167 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:31:13am

re: #139 Gus

But. No TSA. Get on board and go from LA to San Jose in less than 4 hours maybe? Of course that would change if they turned it into another Gestapo checkpoint.

The TSA has responsibility for the railways as well. They do have inspection teams in place at major rail stations (not many of those anymore, but Chicago has such a station in its Union Station). The TSA would like focus hard on any high speed rail line, as it would be a tempting terrorist target. Railroads remain vulnerable to low-tech sabotage.

168 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:31:55am

re: #166 sattv4u2

and Fireworks!!!

169 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:39:52am

I wonder what 3,000 gallons of spilled whey smells like
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Sorry no pic's :(

170 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:41:12am

re: #169 Tommy's cone of shame

I wonder what 3,000 gallons of spilled whey smells like
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Sorry no pic's :(

It smells like death warmed over. Time to get out the flamethrowers before it spoils.

/semi-kidding

171 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:45:57am

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

I drove from Palm Desert to Tucson a few days ago. No less than 4 checkpoints, one where a canine checked my truck over. Geez what if I had a dog with me? I'm sure the canine would react somehow and I'd have had a search by border patrol on an interstate drive.

172 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:47:27am

re: #171 Daniel Ballard

I drove from Palm Desert to Tucson a few days ago. No less than 4 checkpoints, one where a canine checked my truck over. Geez what if I had a dog with me? I'm sure the canine would react somehow and I'd have had a search by border patrol on an interstate drive.

I don't have a reply, save to say it might have even worse if you had a cat with you.

173 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:54:08am

re: #171 Daniel Ballard

I drove from Palm Desert to Tucson a few days ago. No less than 4 checkpoints, one where a canine checked my truck over. Geez what if I had a dog with me? I'm sure the canine would react somehow and I'd have had a search by border patrol on an interstate drive.

let the doggies go off in the woods for a little 'alone" time???

174 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 5:58:13am

re: #173 sattv4u2

let the doggies go off in the woods for a little 'alone" time???

Sometimes dogs don't like each other, you know.

175 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 6:03:17am

Out for the morning. BBL

176 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:04:51am

Good morning lizards!

177 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:20:43am

Oakland anarchists celebrate Independence Day by burning the American flag.

178 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:29:53am

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

Oakland anarchists celebrate Independence Day by burning the American flag.

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Heh. They sure know how to win the hearts and minds of their fellow citizens.

179 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:33:40am

Another arrest in London: London police make 7th arrest in counter-terror operation

British authorities arrested a 22-year-old woman Saturday on suspicion of terror offenses amid heightened security before the London Olympics.

She is the seventh person detained in connection with an investigation by the London Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism Command.
...
The woman detained Saturday morning in Hackney is undergoing questioning in south east London, police said. She was arrested on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.

180 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:36:47am

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Another arrest in London: London police make 7th arrest in counter-terror operation

Great work by the police there preventing a possible terrifying man-caused disaster.

181 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:38:32am

Syria fighting widespread, spills into Lebanon

Syria's conflict spilled further into Lebanon on Saturday when mortar fire from government forces crashed into villages in the north, killing two women and a man after rebels crossed the border for refuge, residents said.

In contrast with Turkey, which openly harbors rebels fighting to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Lebanon was not expected to respond militarily and has played down the effect of regular clashes along the frontier.

But rebels have used north Lebanon as a base and Assad's forces have at times bombed villages and even crossed the border in pursuit of militants, threatening to inflame tensions in Lebanon given a long history of Syrian domination there.

Residents of Lebanon's Wadi Khaled region said several mortar bombs hit farm buildings five to 20 km (3 to 12 miles) from the border at around 2 a.m. At midday villagers reported more explosions and said they heard gunfire close to the border.

In the village of al-Mahatta, a house was destroyed, killing a 16-year-old girl and wounding a two-year old and a four-year old, family members told Reuters. A 25-year-old woman and a man were killed in nearby villages, residents said.

The Lebanese army issued a brief statement about the incident. There was no immediate response from the prime minister or the foreign ministry, both of whom have expressed fears that Lebanon could be dragged into the conflict.

This could get ugly.

182 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:40:37am

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

Great work by the police there preventing a possible terrifying man-caused disaster.

I checked the British Muslim groups like MPACUK and MCB and they seem mostly silent about this. I guess there's no good way to respond but I wish they'd think of something.

183 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:46:38am

re: #182 Killgore Trout

I checked the British Muslim groups like MPACUK and MCB and they seem mostly silent about this. I guess there's no good way to respond but I wish they'd think of something.

A good way to respond would be to demand a stop to terrorism. That should have been done immediately.

184 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:53:34am

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Damn London police,,, nothing better to do than to harass some Yutes!
/

185 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 7:54:39am

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

Their theme song is ,,, catchy!!
/

186 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:02:49am

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

A good way to respond would be to demand a stop to terrorism. That should have been done immediately.

They could also assist with getting people in the community to come forward with information about the suspects. It would go a long way with helping their public image but I guess that's too much to ask. CAIR wouldn't do that either.

187 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:03:51am

Just us "wingnuts" here this morning?

188 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:05:46am

re: #187 Killgore Trout

Just us "wingnuts" here this morning?

I know

We only usually meet in the Bottom Ten!!!

189 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:06:46am

This one just logged in. No way to judge 'wingnut' status.

theBored

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190 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:06:55am

Iranians’ 30-bomb plot on Kenya

Two Iranian terror suspects in the hands of police have reportedly confessed they planned to detonate a series of 30 killer bombs across Kenya at once.

The shocking confession police report to have secured from the two, not only paints how serious the magnitude of terror planned against Kenya could be, but also shows the plot has attained an international dimension.

Like in the case of the 1998 Nairobi terror bomb targeting American Embassy, and that of 2002 against Israeli-owned Kikambala Hotel in Mombasa, police reveal the latest series of attacks were aimed at local US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and British interests.

...It were the two Iranian terror suspects arrested in Nairobi that police say led Kenyan security officials to a 15kg stash of explosives, which were to be used in simultaneous 30-bomb attacks. Each kilo was to produce two bombs.

15kg? They planned to cause some serious damage.

191 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:08:26am

I guess I'm more of a thighnut. I like dark meat.

I'm talkin' poultry, don't get excited.

192 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:08:57am

re: #191 wrenchwench

I guess I'm more of a thighnut. I like dark meat.

I'm talkin' poultry, don't get excited.

too late

now I need a smoke and a nap!

193 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:09:26am

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Iranians’ 30-bomb plot on Kenya

15kg? They planned to cause some serious damage.

The Iranians sure suck at terrorism. Lots of failed plots, not much success.

194 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:10:25am

re: #193 Killgore Trout

The Iranians sure suck at terrorism. Lots of failed plots, not much success.

yeah, but it only takes one small success to sure ruin a good pizza party!

195 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:18:55am

re: #193 Killgore Trout

The Iranians sure suck at terrorism. Lots of failed plots, not much success.

The explosives the got caught with is RDX.

RDX is some powerful shit.

RDX, an initialism for Research Department Explosive, is an explosive nitroamine widely used in military and industrial applications. It was developed as an explosive which was more powerful than TNT, and it saw wide use in WWII. RDX is also known as cyclonite, hexogen (particularly in German and German-influenced languages), and T4. Its chemical name is cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine; name variants include cyclotrimethylene-trinitramine and cyclotrimethylene trinitramine.

In its pure, synthesized state RDX is a white, crystalline solid. It is often used in mixtures with other explosives and plasticizers, phlegmatizers or desensitizers. RDX is stable in storage and is considered one of the most powerful and brisant of the military high explosives.[1]

196 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:22:09am

All Christians should publicly renounce Brian Fischer.

197 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:26:29am

re: #196 Kronocide

All Christians should publicly renounce Brian Fischer.

Brian Fischer, I denounce you

(that, however, even if multiplied by millions, will do nothing to stop his idiocy,,, same as that other dolt whose name escapes me whose 'followers', all 7 of them, show up at soldiers funerals to protest)

198 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:27:09am

bbiab

199 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:27:14am

All Iranians should publicly renounce Iran.

200 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:29:10am

Will they never learn? Thrill-seekers gored at Running Of The Bulls festival

One thrill-seeker was gored in a leg and four others injured as this year's Pamplona bull running festival kicked off today.

Thousands of adrenaline-fueled runners raced ahead of six fighting bulls in the streets of the northern Spanish city as part of the San Fermin festival, officials said.

Runners, in traditional white clothing and red kerchiefs around their necks, tripped over each other or fell in the mad daredevil annual rush along early morning dew-moistened slippery streets to the city's bull ring.

One youth got the top of his shirt caught on a bull's horn, inches from his face, and was dragged several yards along the ground, but was seen to get up and run away.

The gored runner, meanwhile, was taken to a local hospital and four others were treated for cuts and bruises, Red Cross spokesman Jose Aldaba said.

201 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:37:14am

Serena wins Wimbledon! Great match!

202 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:42:05am

All wingnuts should renounce Ted Nugent.

And Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin, Joe Walsh, Louis Gomert, etc x mega zillion.

203 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:44:55am

Where are those renouncements? Still waiting.....

204 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:48:16am

re: #201 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Serena wins Wimbledon! Great match!

Cool. And we have a Scot in the mens finals tomorrow! (End times?)

No more will people be able to say things like "You'd have more chance of finding a Scot at Wimbledon than you would of 'X'"

205 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:49:24am

re: #202 Kronocide

All wingnuts should renounce Ted Nugent.

And Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin, Joe Walsh, Louis Gomert, etc x mega zillion.

All wingnuts should renounce all other wingnuts.

206 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:51:56am

When you renounce, clutch your Constitution Pearls to make it extra Founding Fathery.

207 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:53:01am

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

Will they never learn? Thrill-seekers gored at Running Of The Bulls festival

They should rename it "The Goring of the Moron" festival.

208 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:57:16am

re: #205 Aye Pod

All wingnuts should renounce all other wingnuts.

We should put together a Wingnut Flotilla.

209 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:58:46am

Let's be serious for a moment.

//

210 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:59:00am

"This 2004 meme isn't working. I think it must be broken or something."

211 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 8:59:53am

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

212 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:00:10am

re: #208 Gus

We should put together a Wingnut Flotilla.

Definitely :)

P.s. Ice's computer just crashed.

213 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:00:12am

All Alaskans should renounce Wingnut Spice.

214 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:00:41am

re: #212 Aye Pod

Definitely :)

P.s. Ice's computer just crashed.

OK. Thanks. That's what I figured.

215 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:01:28am

re: #213 Kronocide

All Alaskans should renounce Wingnut Spice.

What about Wingnut Libel?

216 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:02:09am

He of the Old Ways of our Wingnut Ancestors. It is written.

217 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:02:27am

re: #213 Kronocide

All Alaskans should renounce Wingnut Spice.

They could also assist with getting people in the community to come forward with information. It would go a long way with helping their public image but I guess that's too much to ask.

218 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:03:12am

The best debate technique is much like being able to sell a used car.

219 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:04:11am

Bloody Alaskans you just can't trust them.

220 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:05:22am

re: #219 Aye Pod

Bloody Alaskans you just can't trust them.

Are they even Christian?

221 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:06:20am

You just can't trust anyone that doesn't follow the religion of our Founding Fathers.

222 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:06:24am

Ok gotta go cook rice - later :)

223 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:07:02am

re: #222 Aye Pod

Ok gotta go cook rice - later :)

Arroz con pollo.

224 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:11:16am

re: #219 Aye Pod

Bloody Alaskans you just can't trust them.

They're uncomfortable close to Russia. They can even see Russia.

They should renounce communism too. And potato based vodka, but not high end grain based vodka with a finer finish and better marketing campaigns because of capitalism and Ronaldus Maximus, Founding Father Laureate.

225 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:13:48am

re: #224 Kronocide

They're uncomfortable close to Russia. They can even see Russia.

They should renounce communism too. And potato based vodka, but not high end grain based vodka with a finer finish and better marketing campaigns because of capitalism and Ronaldus Maximus, Founding Father Laureate.

How do we know they're not Soviets themselves? Plus, Eskimos look Chinese to me. Something is up and Obama is probably behind it!

226 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:13:53am

re: #212 Aye Pod

Definitely :)

P.s. Ice's computer just crashed.

And I just got mine back with a new hard drive! AND, good morning Stanley Sea, I dropped my iphone in a glass of water! It's sitting in a bowl of rice right now.

IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING!

227 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:13:58am

//

228 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:16:03am

An interesting guy was talking my ear off for the last hour. Did we have a shift change while I was gone?

229 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:17:06am

Rice is socialist.

230 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:17:24am

Image: x_rebirth_screen_035.jpg
Smoke em if ya got em!

231 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:18:20am

re: #228 wrenchwench

An interesting guy was talking my ear off for the last hour. Did we have a shift change while I was gone?

I'm sure there's somebody or some thing you need to renounce. Get renouncing!

Extra Renouncement Credit for Pearl Clutching during Renouncement.

232 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:19:09am

re: #231 Kronocide

I'm sure there's somebody or some thing you need to renounce. Get renouncing!

Extra Renouncement Credit for Pearl Clutching during Renouncement.

I renounce the Communist Rice!

Random capitalization helps.

233 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:19:29am

No Son of mine is going to eat Rice.

234 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:20:45am

Is Satt here still?

If so, check out Andrew Sullivan's view from your window contest today - I think you might recognize it!!

235 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:22:24am

re: #231 Kronocide

I'm sure there's somebody or some thing you need to renounce. Get renouncing!

Extra Renouncement Credit for Pearl Clutching during Renouncement.

I have renounced bicycles with motors. In fact, that's where the conversation started with the guy who talked my ear off.

My fake pearls are at home. Can I clutch some bike parts or something? If I hadn't renounced motorized bicycles, I could clutch a clutch.

236 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:23:58am

GOP Rep. Tells Constituent Who Asks About Raising The Minimum Wage To ‘Get A Job’

CONSTITUENT: Hi, I’m (inaudible) how are you? Happy Fourth of July. Jesse Jackson, Jr. is passing a bill around to increase the minimum wage to 10 bucks and hour. Do you support that?

YOUNG: Probably not.

CONSTITUENT: 10 bucks, that would give us a living wage.

YOUNG: How about getting a job?

CONSTITUENT: I do have one.

YOUNG: Well, then why do you want that benefit? Get a job.

237 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:24:02am

re: #235 wrenchwench

I have renounced bicycles with motors. In fact, that's where the conversation started with the guy who talked my ear off.

My fake pearls are at home. Can I clutch some bike parts or something? If I hadn't renounced motorized bicycles, I could clutch a clutch.

Business idea.

iPearls™ -- the iPhone "pearl clutching" app when you just gotta clutch those pearls.

238 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:25:18am

I Renounce everything I have yet to Renounce!

239 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:26:26am

re: #238 Gus

I Renounce everything I have yet to Renounce!

Maybe I'll renounce Renouncing.

Embrace Stuff!

240 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:29:13am

Who will Renounce the Renouncers?

241 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:34:04am

re: #240 Kronocide

Who will Renounce the Renouncers?

Are you up late or early?

242 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:35:59am

Gotta fix a couple of bikes. BBL

243 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:36:01am
244 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:38:02am

Too fast.

245 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:38:48am

re: #241 wrenchwench

Are you up late or early?

Very early, usually 4AM. In between paperwork and admin, I get my Forum Clutching on. But it's off to the mines shortly.

246 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:39:01am
247 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:39:20am

re: #243 Gus

Jump!

[Embedded content]

The renounced the bridge!

They embraced gravity!

248 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:42:03am

Hop on the bus boat, Gus!

249 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:43:53am

re: #248 Interesting Times

Hop on the bus boat, Gus!

[Embedded content]

Thanks. No rain or showers right now. Was coming down at a good pace last night.

250 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:44:15am

re: #248 Interesting Times

Hop on the bus boat, Gus!

[Embedded content]

2 inches???
Wimps.
/

251 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:45:24am
252 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:45:27am

re: #250 Varek Raith

2 inches???
Wimps.
/

True. The rain is more obnoxious on the East Coast.

//

253 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:45:40am

I Renounce that statement!

254 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:48:48am

Shocking!

Olympic portraits by AFP photographer Joe Klamar create controversy

Let me get my iPearls™ up and running.

255 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:58:26am

re: #254 Gus

Shocking!

Olympic portraits by AFP photographer Joe Klamar create controversy

Let me get my iPearls™ up and running.

I fail to see the controversy.

256 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:59:10am

re: #255 Varek Raith

I fail to see the controversy.

Probably because they're kind of raw and not totally posed and perfect. Shocking!

257 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:59:40am

Sandals in the White House!

258 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:05:34am

re: #255 Varek Raith

I fail to see the controversy.

Clutch those pearls tightly until you get light headed, then you'll see the controversy.

OK, doing the white van thing and committing capitalism. Get renouncing honcos.

259 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:20:40am

morning all!

is it Saturday or Sunday? The mid-week holiday has me confused.

How goes it?

261 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:22:11am

re: #259 ggt

morning all!

is it Saturday or Sunday? The mid-week holiday has me confused.

How goes it?

Caturday.

262 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:23:40am
263 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:25:15am

re: #254 Gus

Shocking!

Olympic portraits by AFP photographer Joe Klamar create controversy

Let me get my iPearls™ up and running.

Meh, not that bad to me. Perhaps not to the level of David Burnett but who else is? Hell, they'd probably whine about his work too.

264 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:26:42am

Wingnut friend shared an email with me. I did some research and found it was old news. Told this person and they said they didn't care.

265 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:26:43am

Seems the human race will always have people stupid enough to do this:

Cops say man left dog to die in hot car

Police in Galveston, Texas believe Bill Omer left his pit bull in the car for more than an hour in the sweltering heat.

And on a "Summer's Eve" note:

The 23-year-old then posed for a rather unusual mugshot, smiling and giving a thumbs up.

Image: dogguy.jpg

266 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:28:05am

re: #265 Interesting Times

Seems the human race will always have people stupid enough to do this:

Cops say man left dog to die in hot car

And on a "Summer's Eve" note:

Image: dogguy.jpg

"Somtin's not right with that boy."

267 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:30:24am
269 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:30:57am
270 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:31:18am
271 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:31:57am
272 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:31:58am
274 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:34:18am
275 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:34:50am
276 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:35:22am

re: #274 Gus

Image: kittens-dog.jpg

HALP MEH!

278 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:39:47am
279 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:40:36am

Awe geez.

Kitty with Deformity Becomes Superkitten

Don't worry. It has a happy ending.

280 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:40:37am

Here's what nearly 20 years of Republican dominance will do for your state if you let happen. I give you my home state of Texas! The blue/purple states that went red in 2010 better make a correction soon.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A scorecard issued by a federal agency has ranked Texas health care services and delivery as among the worst in the nation.

The Agency for Health Care Research and Quality issued the ratings as part of a national review of state health care programs.

In nine out of 12 categories Texas rated weak or very weak. The only area where Texas ranked good was in maternal and child health care measures. A spokeswoman for the Texas Health and Human Services Commission did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

Texas offers one of the most limited health care programs in the nation for the disabled and the poor, and more than 25 percent of Texans do not have health insurance of any kind, the highest in the nation.

I work in health care and this report is absolutely true. Anybody even thinking of handing over the federal government to Republicans again is insane.

281 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:42:30am
282 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:43:18am
283 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:43:45am

re: #279 Gus

Awe geez.

Kitty with Deformity Becomes Superkitten

Don't worry. It has a happy ending.

The doggy nurturing photo is soooo warm and fuzzy!

284 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:44:43am

re: #283 ggt

The doggy nurturing photo is sooo warm and fuzzy!

Here's another one...

Image: 542948_402269406458444_1116599843_n.jpg

See the kitten?

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:45:30am

re: #284 Gus

Here's another one...

Image: 542948_402269406458444_1116599843_n.jpg

See the kitten?

oooooooh!

286 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:45:36am
287 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:46:48am

re: #280 moderatelyradicalliberal

Here's what nearly 20 years of Republican dominance will do for your state if you let happen. I give you my home state of Texas! The blue/purple states that went red in 2010 better make a correction soon.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I work in health care and this report is absolutely true. Anybody even thinking of handing over the federal government to Republicans again is insane.

Oh, but don't you know that voting democratic is simply voting for Goldman-Sachs & Obama's a corporatist who kills babies with drones and is no different from Romney? ///

Major fight yesterday with a self-identified Anarcho-Syndicalist who spouted that tripe. Feh. He'l lucky I don't have Varek's lasers.

288 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:48:32am
289 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:49:52am

re: #288 Gus

I love the cat pictures.

290 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:50:03am
291 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:50:06am
292 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:54:47am

Zooborn's Daily Kitteh!

You know, all this cuteness is Charle's fault. He found Zooborns and thus, the tradition began.

293 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:55:47am

re: #280 moderatelyradicalliberal

Here's what nearly 20 years of Republican dominance will do for your state if you let happen. I give you my home state of Texas! The blue/purple states that went red in 2010 better make a correction soon.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I work in health care and this report is absolutely true. Anybody even thinking of handing over the federal government to Republicans again is insane.

It's ok, God takes care of the healing in Texas!

294 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 10:56:28am

Also here are the other states on the bottom of that list:

Oklahoma
Arkansas
New Mexico
West Virginia
Kentucky
Maryland
Mississippi
Nevada
Alaska

You may notice that only two (Maryland and Nevada) are not tried and true Red states.

296 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 11:24:41am

US drones kill 24 a day after resumption of Nato supplies

Government officials also confirmed that 24 persons were killed in the drone attack. They feared the death toll could rise as some of the injured were reported to be in critical condition.Pleading anonymity, a government official said it was one of the deadliest attacks by the drones this year in the tribal areas. It was after a long gap that the US drone carried out an attack in the Dattakhel area close to the Afghan border.

The identity of the victims of the drone strike was unknown, but in most cases the target of such attacks are local militants affiliated to the Taliban group headed by Hafiz Gul Bahadur. It may be noted that the Taliban in North Waziristan, led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur, had banned the anti-polio campaign as a mark of protest over the frequent US drone attacks in their area. The Taliban in North Waziristan aren’t part of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) led by Hakimullah Mahsud.

297 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 11:33:38am
298 Gus  Sat, Jul 7, 2012 11:43:38am

I Renounce the lack of bottom comments!


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