Shocka! #Breitbart.com Defends Hate Group Leader Pamela Geller

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Would someone please let breitbart.com writer Laura Rubenfeld know that Pamela Geller has no “constitutional right” to demand that the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles give her a venue to spread hate speech?

Proving, once again, that those who scream loudest about constitutional rights are often those who know the least about them: Los Angeles Jewish Federation Enforces Shariah Law.

On the morning of June 24th, author, blogger, speaker, executive director, and co-founder with Robert Spencer of Stop the Islamization of America (SIOA), Pamela Geller was denied her First Amendment Constitutional right of freedom of speech by The Jewish Federation of Los Angeles – just hours before she was scheduled to speak at an event organized by the Zionist Organization of America – West (ZOA).

And by the way, an antisemitic white supremacist (or incredible facsimile thereof) is trolling the wingnuts in their comments. For some reason, this kind of person is attracted to articles about Pamela Geller.

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406 comments
1 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:16:43pm

DERP DERP DERP

Uggghhhh...

2 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:24:35pm

Pam does have a Constitutional right to make her demands, just as the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles has the Constitutional right to tell Pam to fuck right off.

3 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:26:35pm

And of course if some Muslim was prevented from speaking somewhere it would be a great victory of liberty! ///

4 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:27:16pm

For people who say they love the Constitution so much, they sure don't have a fucking clue as to what it actually says.

5 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:27:36pm

And Neo-Nazi SEN_5241 is trolling the shit out of them.

Instead of popcorn, I made Oreo Trifle.

6 jaunte  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:30:13pm

Rubenfeld forgot all about Geller's Constitutional right to rent her own stage and promote her own show.

7 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:32:06pm

re: #4 Kragar

For people who say they love the Constitution so much, they sure don't have a fucking clue as to what it actually says.

To Pam Geller the Constitution means whatever she wants it to mean. She is its Noble Defender and must be able to bend it as needed if she is to defend it from the Ravening Wolves of Sharia.

In reality, of course, she is just a hateful person with an oversized ego.

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:32:10pm

You have the right to speak, but you do not have the right to force others to listen to you.*

*as usual, freedom of speech does not extend to children who are talking to their parents, who, yes, actually can make said child listen to them.

9 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:32:48pm
Pamela Geller was denied her First Amendment Constitutional right of freedom of speech by The Jewish Federation of Los Angeles

There is no "Constitutional Right" to be provided with a venue.

10 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:33:27pm

re: #6 jaunte

Rubenfeld forgot all about Geller's Constitutional right to rent her own stage and promote her own show.

And according to Breitbart, if Pam didn't allow me to get up on her stage and say whatever I wanted, she would be violating my Constitutional rights.

11 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:33:32pm

re: #9 Learned Mother of Zion

There is no "Constitutional Right" to be provided with a venue.

I'm pretty sure that if I read my marriage vows with a big enough magnifying glass, I have a right to be provided with chocolate.

12 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:33:56pm

re: #9 Learned Mother of Zion

There is no "Constitutional Right" to be provided with a venue.

Its right there next to the Jesus part.

13 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:35:25pm

re: #11 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I'm pretty sure that if I read my marriage vows with a big enough magnifying glass, I have a right to be provided with chocolate.

I saved you some Oreo Trifle.

14 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:40:37pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

15 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:41:37pm

So the evil Jewish Federation denied her First Amendment rights and enforced Sharia at the same exact time.

Deny First Amendment = Sharia

How deep does the insanity go?

16 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:44:45pm

re: #15 Kronocide

So the evil Jewish Federation denied her First Amendment rights and enforced Sharia at the same exact time.

Deny First Amendment = Sharia

How deep does the insanity go?

Please note that at no time was she deprived of her 1st Amendment Rights.

17 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:46:28pm

re: #16 Kragar

Please note that at no time was she deprived of her 1st Amendment Rights.

I'm sure he knows that. He's just saying that to illustrate the raving insanity of the Gellerite.

18 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:48:46pm

Simon Weisenthal would be proud that she was to speak at this event.
Which DOES NOT deny her first amendment rights in any way!
She'd look FABULOUS on Wilshire Blvd. with a bullhorn!

19 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:50:06pm

re: #16 Kragar

Please note that at no time was she deprived of her 1st Amendment Rights.

Yes very true. That was the first mistake in logic.

Then moving from deny - enforcing Sharia, second mistake.

Not minor mistakes either.

20 jaunte  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:52:04pm

Laura Rubenfeld is also a contributor to the New English Review. That group attempted to hold an Understanding the Jihad in Israel, Europe and America "symposium" in Nashville. (It was refused by the hotel).

21 Mattand  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:52:35pm

I still find it incredible that someone founded an organization based on the idiotic fantasy that Teh Muzlims™ are taking over America. It's like Geller was watching Red Dawn while simultaneously reading a Koran and high on cough syrup.

22 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:55:45pm

re: #21 Mattand

I still find it incredible that someone founded an organization based on the idiotic fantasy that Teh Muzlims™ are taking over America. It's like Geller was watching Red Dawn while simultaneously reading a Koran and high on cough syrup.

WOLVERINES!!1

23 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:57:09pm

If I wanted to learn about Jihad, these people are perfect examples of one.

24 jaunte  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:57:39pm

re: #21 Mattand

It's like Geller was watching Red Dawn

Or Eric Bolling:
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

25 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:57:43pm

denied her First Amendment Constitutional right of

that's why she's wearing her red dress of grievances

26 Mattand  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:58:48pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

For some reason, the image of Harry Dean Stanton screaming "AVENGE ME!!!" in a POW camp is the only thing I remember from that movie.

Probably because it was the stupidest moment in a stupid movie.

No, I didn't like it. Not "Forrest Gump" stupid, but up there.

27 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:59:53pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

WOLVERINES!!1

or:

Youtube Video

INDIANS!!1

28 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:00:29pm

re: #26 Mattand

For some reason, the image of Harry Dean Stanton screaming "AVENGE ME!!!" in a POW camp is the only thing I remember from that movie.

Probably because it was the stupidest moment in a stupid movie.

No, I didn't like it. Not "Forrest Gump" stupid, but up there.

Youtube Video
29 Mattand  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:03:34pm

re: #25 engineer cat

denied her First Amendment Constitutional right of

that's why she's wearing her red dress of grievances

I just now got that. Slow golf clap for you.

30 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:03:48pm

re: #26 Mattand

For some reason, the image of Harry Dean Stanton screaming "AVENGE ME!!!" in a POW camp is the only thing I remember from that movie.

Probably because it was the stupidest moment in a stupid movie.

No, I didn't like it. Not "Forrest Gump" stupid, but up there.

I remember a great deal more about it, but I also remember that its premise turned out to be hooey. The Soviet Union could never have amassed as large a field army as the one the movie has it massing, nor could they have supplied such an army for a long campaign in a far-away land. They didn't have the money nor the logistical base. Nor could they have kept their reserve forces in the field for a full year, because calling those reserves up would have caused too much of the Soviet economy to shut down.

Like Blue Thunder, which I mentioned on the previous thread, Red Dawn is a fun movie, but should not be taken seriously.

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:03:56pm

re: #2 Kragar

Pam does have a Constitutional right to make her demands, just as the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles has the Constitutional right to tell Pam to fuck right off.

Pretty much. And knowing Federation like I know Federation...

32 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:09:42pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

I remember a great deal more about it, but I also remember that its premise turned out to be hooey. The Soviet Union could never have amassed as large a field army as the one the movie has then massing, nor could they have supplied such an army for a long campaign in a far-away land. They didn't have the money nor the logistical base. Nor could they have kept their reserve forces in the field for a full year, because calling those reserves up would have caused too much of the Soviet economy to shut down.

Like Blue Thunder, which I mentioned on the previous thread, Red Dawn is a fun movie, but should not be taken seriously.

Next you'll try and tell me Mega-Force shouldn't be taken seriously.

33 Mattand  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:13:12pm

re: #32 Kragar

Next you'll try and tell me Mega-Force shouldn't be taken seriously.

Ace Hunter.

The protagonist's name in this movie is ACE HUNTER.

I have never heard of this movie before. I must now see it at all costs.

34 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:15:44pm

re: #33 Mattand

Ace Hunter.

The protagonist's name in this movie is ACE HUNTER.

I have never heard of this movie before. I must now see it at all costs.

WITNESS THE GLORY!!!

Youtube Video
35 Mattand  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:20:21pm

re: #34 Kragar

WITNESS THE GLORY!!!

[Embedded content showing green screen that would make Ed Wood embarrassed]

Huh.

Still better than "Forrest Gump".

36 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:22:19pm

re: #35 Mattand

Huh.

Still better than "Forrest Gump".

Henry Silva at the end makes the clip.

"What the fuck did I just see?"

37 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:22:21pm

Your daily dose of pointless celebrity gossip:

Apparently some new Justin Bieber wannabe has gotten a couple of songs out as singles, and has at least generated enough attention to get the Daily FAIL to put his photo op on their website. His name is Austin Mahone and clicking his name will bring up a picture of him. The girl with him is a Baldwin, Stephen's daughter Hailey.

38 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:32:59pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

WOLVERINES!!1

If Red Dawn hadn't been an American movie about American partisans fighting Russians and Cubans in WWIII it could easily have been a Russian movie about Russian partisans fighting Germans and Romanians (and Italians and Hungarians and Slovaks and even some Spanish) in WWII.

39 erik_t  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:36:25pm

Every once in a while, I dream that these maroons are internally consistent. This dream never, ever works out. Probably why I hate the color maroon.

FUCKING CONSTITUTION HOW DOES IT WORK.

40 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:37:20pm

Has nothing to do with Sharia law. It has everything to do with wanting to maintain their organization's reputation and not be associated with so much hate. Geller will no certainly find a venue elsewhere. Maybe she can go have a meeting at the Hamptons.

41 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:38:49pm

re: #40 Gus

Or, she can just go pound sand.

42 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:40:02pm

re: #41 Dancing along the light of day

Or, she can just go pound sand.

She can do that too.

43 erik_t  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:40:20pm

re: #41 Dancing along the light of day

Or, she can just go pound sand.

Nope, sand is heretical Muslim Sharia Ground. True Murrican Patriots (TM) pound plant duff.

44 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:43:08pm

re: #40 Gus

Geller will no certainly find a venue elsewhere. Maybe she can go have a meeting at the Hamptons.

45 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:43:25pm

re: #43 erik_t

Nope, sand is heretical Muslim Sharia Ground. True Murrican Patriots (TM) pound plant duff.

so that's what ya call it, eh?

46 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:43:47pm

re: #44 Interesting Times

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I was hoping someone would get my Hamptons reference.

47 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:44:54pm

re: #44 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

"I said piss on them, but they wrote it down as trickle down, HAHAHA!"

48 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:46:18pm

re: #47 Kragar

You're a pisser!

49 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:48:39pm

Goodnight, all.

50 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:49:32pm

The war on terror is not a war on Islam.

51 Tsuga  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:00:37pm

So does this mean that everyone has a Constitutional right to comment at Breitbart.com, and the site can never ban liberals (or better yet, jihadists) who want to post a comment there?

52 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:02:24pm

re: #51 Tsuga

So does this mean that everyone has a Constitutional right to comment at Breitbart.com, and the site can never ban liberals (or better yet, jihadists) who want to post a comment there?

Riiiight. Probably not.

53 dragonath  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:03:04pm

Hey-- Libertarian science fiction! Apparantly there's a B-Movie coming down the pike and it's gonna star Kevin Sorbo (the Hercules guy) and Ron Paul!

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

aahhhhh

54 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:04:04pm

The standard disclaimer about how "the views expressed do not necessarily reflect the views of so and so" only give the sponsor so much leeway.

They had to dump Shreiking Harpy if they wanted to maintain even a shred of dignity. Any endorsement of Pam's brand of wingnuttery forever relegates an organization into the lower class tier.

55 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:05:17pm

re: #46 Gus

I thought Ann looked pretty good for a middle aged gal with MS. Apparently, Mitt is cool with her driving him around on the jet ski.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:05:35pm

re: #21 Mattand

I still find it incredible that someone founded an organization based on the idiotic fantasy that Teh Muzlims™ are taking over America. It's like Geller was watching Red Dawn while simultaneously reading a Koran and high on cough syrup.

That's actually the best description of Pam's apparent thought process I've ever heard.

57 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:05:44pm

re: #53 Be Zorch, Daddio

Hey-- Libertarian science fiction! Apparantly there's a B-Movie coming down the pike and it's gonna star Kevin Sorbo (the Hercules guy) and Ron Paul!

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

aahhh

I'll only watch it if Ron Paul is wearing a chrome silver (think Lost in Space) jump suit. Could get him to say, "the pain, the pain."

Robot: Warning! Warning! Alien approaching!

Dr. Smith Paul: There's a Mexican approaching?

58 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:06:22pm

re: #53 Be Zorch, Daddio

Hey-- Libertarian science fiction! Apparantly there's a B-Movie coming down the pike and it's gonna star Kevin Sorbo (the Hercules guy) and Ron Paul!

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

aahhh

Sorbo I remember from the Andromeda show. In said series there are a few references to Ayn Rand, including showing the lead "Nietzschean" character reading one of her books (centuries in the future!)

59 Tsuga  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:08:31pm

re: #11 Mostly sane, most of the time.

My wife says that her marital vows guarantee her sushi.

60 Mattand  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:08:34pm

re: #53 Be Zorch, Daddio

Hey-- Libertarian science fiction! Apparantly there's a B-Movie coming down the pike and it's gonna star Kevin Sorbo (the Hercules guy) and Ron Paul!

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

aahhh

Featuring a character called "Sayeed - the Kosher-Halal Hot Dog Vendor". Paddy Chayefsky, it ain't.

It's also the only movie poster I've ever seen that would benefit from using Comic Sans.

I've said it before, but the only piece of mass media entertainment to do libertarianism correctly is Bioshock.

61 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:13:44pm

re: #55 prairiefire

I thought Ann looked pretty good for a middle aged gal with MS. Apparently, Mitt is cool with her driving him around on the jet ski.

No way. I can't believe that!

//

I haven't seen any of it yet. All I know is that Milton said something kind of stupid. Saw a picture with Ann in the background and my first thought was that she looked happy. Going to the Hamptons and talking about "the poor?" Horrible messaging on its basic level.

62 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:16:29pm

re: #60 Mattand

Featuring a character called "Sayeed - the Kosher-Halal Hot Dog Vendor". Paddy Chayefsky, it ain't.

It's also the only movie poster I've ever seen that would benefit from using Comic Sans.

I've said it before, but the only piece of mass media entertainment to do libertarianism correctly is Bioshock.


On the surface, I once bought a forest. The parasites claimed that the land belonged to God, and demanded that I establish a public park there. Why? So the rabble could stand slack-jawed under the canopy and pretend that it was paradise *earned*. When Congress moved to nationalize my forest, I burnt it to the ground. God did not plant the seeds of this Arcadia - I did.

63 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:17:12pm

re: #61 Gus

Going to the Hamptons and talking about "the poor?" Horrible messaging on its basic level.

64 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:17:48pm

re: #59 Tsuga

My wife says that her marital vows guarantee her sushi.

judging from the divorce papers my marital vows guaranteed that i am sushi

65 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:18:00pm

re: #63 Interesting Times

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OK. A donor. Has Romney commented on this yet? He should respond.

66 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:20:09pm

I met a friend of the Bayers once. It's another world out there.

67 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:21:07pm

re: #65 Gus

OK. A donor. Has Romney commented on this yet? He should respond.

"It's not the language I would have used."

68 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:21:19pm

re: #66 Gus

I met a friend of the Bayers once. It's another world out there.

Was more like a weeks worth of meeting on and off.

69 dragonath  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:22:27pm

Hey, if "Alongside Night" doesn't excite you, this will! "Anthem"... the Libertarian Film Festival!!

Featuring:

2016: Obama’s America.

An Inconsistent Truth

Ayn Rand & the Prophecy of Atlas Shrugged

Nullification: The Rightful Remedy

Don’t Mess with “Firefly.”

PASS THE POPCORN!!

70 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:24:29pm

re: #63 Interesting Times

they don't understand how it works

let me see... you pay me as little as you can, and and this is called "maximizing profit" and considered excellent business profit, and not "squeezing the crap out of your employees"

or does it work some other way?

71 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:25:10pm

re: #63 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

Step 1: Get educated by going in debt for the rest of your life
Step 2: Listen to talk radio to tell you how its supposed to work

72 Tigger2  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:25:44pm

re: #70 engineer cat

they don't understand how it works

let me see... you pay me as little as you can, and and this is called "maximizing profit" and considered excellent business profit, and not "squeezing the crap out of your employees"

or does it work some other way?

I think that pretty well covers it.

73 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:26:11pm

re: #69 Be Zorch, Daddio

Hey, if "Alongside Night" doesn't excite you, this will! "Anthem"... the Libertarian Film Festival!!

Featuring:

PASS THE POPCORN!!

Gurgle! An Inconsistent Truth! Hey, I see what they did there. Funny I was just thinking that Mitt Romney is like the conservative version of Al Gore Ver. 2000. Then I pictured Obama vs. Romney. SCOTUS rules and Obama wins. Robert being the pivotal vote.

74 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:27:01pm

During the days of the Roman Republic and Empire, the way it worked was seizure of assets, usually accompanied by banishment or execution.

75 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:28:05pm

re: #74 Kragar

During the days of the Roman Republic and Empire, the way it worked was seizure of assets, usually accompanied by banishment or execution.

There's no doubt in my mind that life is still much better than in olden days.

[Dobro slide]

76 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:29:13pm

re: #75 Gus

There's no doubt in my mind that life is still much better than in olden days.

[Dobro slide]

How 'bout them lions?

77 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:31:06pm

re: #76 Kragar

How 'bout them lions?

We need two men to hang for the mayor!

//

78 dragonath  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:33:21pm

re: #73 Gus

That would be really be something but I could almost see it happen. Roberts would rather have Obama's respecting him, than be Romney's adjutant.

79 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:36:14pm

re: #63 Interesting Times

"How it works" is that money buys influence and forms policy.

80 dragonath  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:38:29pm

re: #63 Interesting Times

Somehow it doesn't surprise me that Romney's cohort have the same moral code as a gang of Ameoba.

81 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:39:44pm

re: #80 Be Zorch, Daddio

Somehow it doesn't surprise me that Romney's cohort have the same moral code of a gang of Ameoba.

Or the bacteria who do this.

82 dragonath  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:40:09pm

re: #81 Interesting Times

Eww

83 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:41:04pm

re: #66 Gus

I met a friend of the Bayers once. It's another world out there.

My impression from a few encounters is that if its a gathering or party with a bunch of rich people, the richest dude will be the guy dressed real casual, needs a haircut, making people wonder, hey how'd that guy get in here? The wannabe's will be the ones all decked out and perfect looking.

84 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:44:42pm

re: #83 Mich-again

My impression from a few encounters is that if its a gathering or party with a bunch or rich people, the richest dude will be the guy dressed real casual, needs a haircut, making people wonder, hey how'd that guy get in here? The wannabe's will be the ones all decked out and perfect looking.

Yep. I know. That's because they're consumed with making money. You can almost see them like artists or musicians. Their quest for making money almost borders on the maniacal -- some perhaps would think.

85 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:45:38pm

re: #15 Kronocide

So the evil Jewish Federation denied her First Amendment rights and enforced Sharia at the same exact time.

Deny First Amendment = Sharia

How deep does the insanity go?

It's DERP, all the way down...

86 Destro  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:46:49pm

re: #26 Mattand

For some reason, the image of Harry Dean Stanton screaming "AVENGE ME!!!" in a POW camp is the only thing I remember from that movie.

Probably because it was the stupidest moment in a stupid movie.

No, I didn't like it. Not "Forrest Gump" stupid, but up there.

I am pretty sure "Red Dawn" is a wet dream for much of the Tea Party membership.

87 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:53:29pm

Charles Johnson

Why am I not surprised? Islamophobia seems to really be in vogue now on the right. The anti Muslim bigotry doesn't seem to be dissipating anytime soon. Hopefully we'll live to see the day when its as out of the mainstream and as socially unacceptable as antisemitism (anti Jewish bigotry) and racism is now.

88 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:56:32pm

Charles Johnson,

You wrote,
------------------------------------------------------------------------
And by the way, an antisemitic white supremacist (or incredible facsimile thereof) is trolling the wingnuts in their comments. For some reason, this kind of person is attracted to articles about Pamela Geller.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

If that's the case, I wonder if Geller is about to receive a taste of her own hate filled paranoid medicine. I don't think she'll make the connection through, unfortunately.

89 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:57:42pm

re: #50 Gus

The war on terror is not a war on Islam.

Unfortunately for many it is.

90 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:57:50pm

re: #87 CriticalDragon1177

Why is it that you feel a need for Charles' personal attention?

91 JamesWI  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:58:30pm

re: #33 Mattand

Ace Hunter.

The protagonist's name in this movie is ACE HUNTER.

I have never heard of this movie before. I must now see it at all costs.

Apparently M. Night Shymalan is coming out with a new movie in the next year or two, and Will Smith is starring as a character named "General Cypher Raige."

General Raige......I can't wait until this movie comes out so it can bomb.

92 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:58:41pm

re: #89 CriticalDragon1177

Unfortunately for many it is.

That's probably why I said that. ;)

93 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:01:39pm

re: #91 JamesWI

Apparently M. Night Shymalan is coming out with a new movie in the next year or two, and Will Smith is starring as a character named "General Cypher Raige."

General Raige...I can't wait until this movie comes out so it can bomb.

First full synopsis for M. Night Shyamalan's After Earth revealed

Here's what they're saying:
M.Night: And thats the "thought provoking, enviormental" message of the movie.
[silence]
Will Smith: Let's just get this straight...I'm here because they're paying me $90 million...

94 dragonath  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:04:06pm

re: #84 Gus


It's funny, since I was reading up a little on Edward Bernays earlier, a kind of professional psychologist who ended up making life worse for a lot of people. When people take something that seriously, so completely... that's like, Judge Doom crazy evil.

Power and influence seems to bring out compulsive narcissists. Who are also our leaders. D'oh.

95 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:04:15pm

re: #21 Mattand

I still find it incredible that someone founded an organization based on the idiotic fantasy that Teh Muzlims™ are taking over America. It's like Geller was watching Red Dawn while simultaneously reading a Koran and high on cough syrup.

'Tussin is a hell of a drug!

96 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:04:29pm

re: #93 Kragar

First full synopsis for M. Night Shyamalan's After Earth revealed

People can barely make 60-70 grand a year yet during their freetime they'll fantasize about making 90 million and having an adventure!

[Rock and roll music.]

It has a happy ending.

//

97 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:04:46pm

re: #91 JamesWI

Apparently M. Night Shymalan is coming out with a new movie in the next year or two, and Will Smith is starring as a character named "General Cypher Raige."

General Raige...I can't wait until this movie comes out so it can bomb.

Love Will Smith (MiB3 looks really interesting, but I just haven't had time to see it in the theater), but Shyamalan's put out some real bombs out the past few years. IMO, aside from The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, and maybe Signs, it seems like the movies he's done since have stunk on ice.

98 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:06:52pm

re: #97 SunshineSuperman

Love Will Smith (MiB3 looks really interesting), but Shyamalan's thrown out some real stinkers out the past few years. IMO, aside from The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, and maybe Signs, it seems like the movies he's done since have stunk on ice.

I really loved Unbreakable. It was very thought-provoking.

Sixth Sense just kept me up at night.

99 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:07:40pm

re: #93 Kragar

Will Smith: Let's just get this straight...I'm here because they're paying me $90 million...

Heh, at least that means Will can qualify to be a FOM (Friend of Mitt).

100 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:08:08pm

re: #98 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I really loved Unbreakable. It was very thought-provoking.

Sixth Sense just kept me up at night.

Night Gallery

101 JamesWI  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:09:19pm

re: #97 SunshineSuperman

Love Will Smith (MiB3 looks really interesting), but Shyamalan's thrown out some real stinkers out the past few years. IMO, aside from The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, and maybe Signs, it seems like the movies he's done since have stunk on ice.

I was in a packed theater a few years ago, and this trailer for a horror movie came on the screen. It was about a bunch of people stuck in an elevator, and apparently one of them is a demon, or an alien, or the devil, or something, and starts killing off the people one by one. Everyone in the audience was looking around thinking "Man, this really looks like shit."

Then near the end of the trailer, the words came on the screen and out of the mouth of the announcer: "From the mind of M. Night Shyamalan." The entire theater burst into laughter, harder than just about any comedy movie I've ever seen. That was one of the best movie experiences I've ever had.

102 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:09:26pm

re: #98 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I really loved Unbreakable. It was very thought-provoking.

Sixth Sense just kept me up at night.

Two of the best movies Shyamalan did were with Bruce Willis as the lead (The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable).

Coincidence?

103 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:09:31pm

At $75k/meal, one needs to make $90 million once in a while to just "get by".

104 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:09:57pm

Signs: Where aliens with a vulnerability to water decide to invade a water planet and run around naked while doing so.

In the sequel, humans will invade a lava planet and walk around in swimsuits the whole time.

105 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:10:02pm

re: #103 freetoken

At $75k/meal, one needs to make $90 million once in a while to just "get by".

It's haaaard.

106 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:10:18pm

re: #102 SunshineSuperman

Two of the best movies Shyamalan did were with Bruce Willis as the lead (The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable).

Coincidence?

Yeah, but we won't know until the end of the movie...

107 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:11:03pm

re: #104 Kragar

Signs: Where aliens with a vulnerability to water decide to invade a water planet and run around naked while doing so.

In the sequel, humans will invade a lava planet and walk around in swimsuits the whole time.

I ain't seein' nuttin unless it's got Raquel Welch innit.

//

108 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:12:18pm

They don't make great dramas like they used to.

109 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:13:15pm

re: #108 Gus

They don't make great dramas like they used to.

Not since Kurosawa died.

110 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:13:59pm

re: #109 freetoken

Not since Kurosawa died.

Like Kurosawa I make mad films,
'Kay I don't make films,
But if I did they'd have a samurai.

111 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:14:14pm

re: #107 Gus

I ain't seein' nuttin unless it's got Raquel Welch innit.

//

Her getup from One Million Years B.C....wowza!

Never saw the movie, but saw the poster (Andy's last poster covering his escape tunnel in Shawshank Redemption).

112 dragonath  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:15:25pm

According to Wiki, M. Night was "in early talks to write the script for the fourth Indiana Jones film".

Maybe it would have been better.

113 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:15:40pm

re: #108 Gus

They don't make great dramas like they used to.

Youtube Video
114 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:15:43pm

re: #109 freetoken

Not since Kurosawa died.

I still like pencil drawings and non-photo-real.

115 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:16:17pm

re: #113 Kragar

[Embedded content]

What is it? My 5G has runneth.

116 JamesWI  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:16:19pm

re: #112 Be Zorch, Daddio

According to Wiki, M. Night was "in early talks to write the script for the fourth Indiana Jones film".

Maybe it would have been better.

Are we sure he didn't? Aliens with magic, magnetic crystal skulls.....that sounds like a Shyamalan script.

117 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:18:10pm

re: #115 Gus

What is it? My 5G has runneth.

Words cannot describe it.

118 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:19:59pm

re: #117 Kragar

Words cannot describe it.

People have come from all over the world to see it.

119 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:20:55pm
HTML5 Video
120 dragonath  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:22:11pm

re: #113 Kragar

I once watched this 40s B-movie that had a whole bunch of people wandering around in dinosaur costumes... yes...! Unknown Island!

Youtube Video
121 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:24:03pm

Tonight's instructional video: Spring Harmony, from 1935.

122 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:26:08pm

re: #121 freetoken

Tonight's instructional video: Spring Harmony, from 1935.

A Case of Spring Fever

Youtube Video
123 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:27:37pm

To be or not to be!

[Holds skull and stares at it while stroking beard.]

Line!?

124 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:29:04pm

re: #123 Gus

To be or not to be!

[Holds skull and stares at it while stroking beard.]

Line!?

RAAAH!

Youtube Video
125 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:29:45pm

Here, where the lonely hooting owl
Sends forth his midnight moans,
Fierce wolves shall o’er my carcase growl,
Or buzzards pick my bones.

126 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:32:38pm

re: #125 Gus

Here, where the lonely hooting owl
Sends forth his midnight moans,
Fierce wolves shall o’er my carcase growl,
Or buzzards pick my bones.

Five syllables here.
Now seven syllables here
My haiku is done.

127 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:35:21pm

re: #126 Kragar

Five syllables here.
Now seven syllables here
My haiku is done.

Can I feel your face while I feel the violin strings tremble ever so gently in my heart?

//

128 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:36:40pm

Do not feel forlorn Cordilla!

But you must stop this.

He'll see us!

129 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:37:32pm

[Sound of gunshot.]

130 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:39:32pm

re: #129 Gus

[Sound of gunshot.]

RAAAHHHH!

131 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:41:47pm

re: #130 SunshineSuperman

RAAAHHH!

I'm in Jamaica.

//

132 Mattand  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:44:24pm

A haiku:

Pamela Geller
Sees Sharia everywhere.
Cough syrup tastes gooooooooood.

133 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:46:21pm

re: #132 Mattand

A haiku:

Pamela Geller
Sees Sharia everywhere.
Cough syrup tastes goood.

She sees Halal a lot too.

134 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:46:29pm

re: #130 SunshineSuperman

RAAAHHH!

AAHHH! AAHHH! AAHHH! AAHHH! AAHHH!

135 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:46:55pm

Euro right-wing Halal crazy.

It's like Moozlamic ray guns.

136 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:47:27pm

re: #132 Mattand

A haiku:

Pamela Geller
Sees Sharia everywhere.
Cough syrup tastes goood.

Likker is quikker

137 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:48:06pm

It's like getting hit by lightening.

Yet people worry about it.

138 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:49:30pm

re: #137 Gus

It's like getting hit by lightening.

Yet people worry about it.

They think they're going to win the lottery, too

139 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:52:41pm

re: #138 Dancing along the light of day

They think they're going to win the lottery, too

Tuesday's Jackpot is $14 MILLION!!

140 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 10:52:47pm

re: #138 Dancing along the light of day

They think they're going to win the lottery, too

Americans need to lean how to start making things again.

141 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:00:03pm

I know. Ban sugar drinks and build two high schools for 1 billion dollars riiiight? That is pretty weird.

142 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:00:49pm

The wonders of the internet, I now have a copy of MEGAFORCE!

143 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:00:56pm

re: #140 Gus

Americans need to lean how to start making things again.

re: #141 Gus

I know. Ban sugar drinks and build two high schools for 1 billion dollars riiight? That is pretty weird.

Heh, "sugar" is one of those "things" of which we make quite well, in abundance.

144 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:05:29pm

re: #143 freetoken

re: #141 Gus

Heh, "sugar" is one of those "things" of which we make quite well, in abundance.

But we do want to keep them fit to look like Kim Kardashian no? Maybe one of the Jenners. Come on FT. Join in on the fun. Be a good sport.

145 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:07:47pm

re: #144 Gus

But we do want to keep them fit to look like Kim Kardashian no?

She promises to get a boob lift when she has children.

Oh, that's another thing we make quite well and in quantity - cosmetic surgery.

146 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:08:26pm

re: #145 freetoken

She promises to get a boob lift when she has children.

Oh, that's another thing we make quite well and in quantity - cosmetic surgery.

God particle.

147 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:09:01pm

re: #145 freetoken

She promises to get a boob lift when she has children.

Oh, that's another thing we make quite well and in quantity - cosmetic surgery.

T & A.

148 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:09:42pm

I have a cause too but I'm still working on it.

Honk shear.

149 Gus  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:13:57pm

Must be really hard being an American now. I mean. Not being perfect and all like an American should be.

150 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:25:17pm

Everything you need to know about Megaforce is summed up with the following.

Shiny skintight bellbottom jumpsuits with ascots

151 Mattand  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:28:32pm

re: #142 Kragar

The wonders of the internet, I now have a copy of MEGAFORCE!

This is the equivalent of going to Barnes & Nobles and coming back with a copy of the Necronomicon.

152 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:28:51pm

Dinner was good:

Mitt Romney raises millions in the Hamptons

Mitt Romney privately raised millions of dollars from New York's elite on Sunday, as Democrats launched coordinated attacks against the presumptive Republican presidential contender, intensifying calls for him to explain offshore bank accounts and release several years of tax returns.

[...]

"I think he's a plain-talking guy," said Peter Cohen, the former Shearson Lehman Bros. chief who now heads his own investment banking firm, as he chewed a cigar in his black Range Rover outside a Romney fundraiser expected to generate $3 million.

[...]

Yup, "Plain-talkin'" Mitt, that's what they call him.

153 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:30:05pm

re: #151 Mattand

This is the equivalent of going to Barnes & Nobles and coming back with a copy of the Necronomicon.

I found something far worse: Sarah Palin's "memoirs." *shudders*

//

154 Mattand  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:33:25pm

re: #152 freetoken

Dinner was good:

Mitt Romney raises millions in the Hamptons

Yup, "Plain-talkin'" Mitt, that's what they call him.

To be fair, Romney probably plainly stated that his policies as President would protect every millionaire in the room like they were on the Endangered Species list.

I don't care if anyone is rich and they earned it. What I do care about is that if you can afford to help raise money for an already insanely wealthy candidate, you can fucking afford to have your tax bracket bumped up 3%.

155 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:34:36pm

One pundit see's no problem:

What Happened to Romney’s “Evangelical Problem”?

For six years, reporters and commentators have told the American public that evangelicals don’t want to vote for Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon. But now that Romney has become the presumptive Republican nominee, that narrative has evaporated, replaced by a new one: evangelicals will embrace Romney after all. Politics appear to trump theology. Evangelicals may not think Romney’s a Christian, but at least he’s not Obama.

This new media narrative rests on a widespread misunderstanding. Romney’s Mormonism was always a problem for evangelical voters. But it was not his biggest evangelical problem—certainly not in 2012, and possibly not even during the 2008 primaries. Although he stumbled seriously coming out of the gate, Romney effectively learned to manage evangelicals’ religious misgivings about his candidacy starting as early as his December 2007 speech, “Faith in America.” That speech marked an important turning point in Romney’s relationship with evangelical voters. Afterwards, Romney’s most pressing evangelical problem was not his religion. Instead, it was his struggle to convince evangelicals he was a reliable social conservative.

[...]

However....

Vote for Jesus Campaign Tops 200K as Evangelicals Say 'No' to Romney

Bill Keller, the world's leading Internet Evangelist and the founder of LivePrayer.com, with over 2.4 million subscribers worldwide reading the daily devotional he has written every morning for 13 years on the issues of the day from a Biblical worldview, reports over 200,000 people have already signed up to write in the name of Jesus for President this November.

Keller launched a sister website in mid-May, [Link: www.votingforjesus.com,...] that encourages people to sign up and commit to write in the name of Jesus for President this November, and expects to see over 1 million signed up by the time of the election. In an exclusive interview with the Christian Post, he said, "A Christian is faced with a difficult dilemma this November. It is literally Satan flipping a two-headed coin with his head on both sides. How can a Christian in good conscience vote for President Obama, [...]"

Keller continues, "On the other hand, how can a Christian in good conscience vote for Mitt Romney, a 5th generation member and priest of the Satanic Mormon cult. His Presidency would give his cult the mainstream acceptance they have always wanted since being founded 200 years ago by a documented con-artist, racist, pedophile, polygamist, and murderer named Joseph Smith. Conservative estimates are that Romney's cult will add at least 1 million converts in the US alone. For a Christian, that means 1 million souls who will buy into a false Gospel and burn in hell for all eternity!"

Keller goes on, "The reason Romney won't discuss his 'faith' is because he knows if people really understood the beliefs those in his cult hold, they would never vote for him. His cult refuses to talk about their secret temple rituals saying they are holy, when in fact it is well known by ex-Mormons that in those rituals they are literally worshipping Satan! Whenever Romney is pressed on his beliefs, he lies like he did in his big 'Faith Speech' in 2008 that he is a Christian and believes in God and Jesus, when in fact the beliefs of his cult are 100% inconsistent with Biblical Christianity and the God and Jesus he believes in are NOT the God and Jesus of the Bible!"

[...]

Literally Satan.

156 Mattand  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:42:08pm

re: #155 freetoken

Bill Keller, the world's leading Internet Evangelist and the founder of LivePrayer.com, with over 2.4 million subscribers worldwide reading the daily devotional he has written every morning for 13 years on the issues of the day from a Biblical worldview, reports over 200,000 people have already signed up to write in the name of Jesus for President this November.

That explains why Crayola has been reporting shortages lately.

157 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:42:46pm

re: #155 freetoken

One pundit see's no problem:

What Happened to Romney’s “Evangelical Problem”?

However...

Vote for Jesus Campaign Tops 200K as Evangelicals Say 'No' to Romney

Literally Satan.

Well, I certainly wish them the best in their efforts to elect a man who has been dead for around 2000 years.

158 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:43:11pm

re: #154 Mattand

To be fair, Romney probably plainly stated that his policies as President would protect every millionaire in the room like they were on the Endangered Species list.

I don't care if anyone is rich and they earned it. What I do care about is that if you can afford to help raise money for an already insanely wealthy candidate, you can fucking afford to have your tax bracket bumped up 3%.

Let's be honest, what we're seeing now is the buying of, if not the presidency, then certainly enough Congressional seats to assure that come next year, not only will the Bush Tax Cuts be extended, they'll very likely make a go at making them permanent. If only to remove the "uncertainty" from the market that supposedly is what's keeping billionaires from opening their wallets and hiring like crazy.

159 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:49:19pm

The best part about electing Jesus will be asking to see the birth certificate and what they put on the line for the father's information.

160 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:50:16pm

re: #159 Kragar

The best part about electing Jesus will be asking to see the birth certificate and what they put on the line for the father's information.

Is this the point where we have to break it to the kids that Jesus had two daddies?

//

161 freetoken  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:51:37pm

re: #157 Kragar

I'm still wondering how they're getting around the "natural born" citizen requirement, about which we've heard so much these past 4 years.

162 Kragar  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 11:52:43pm

re: #161 freetoken

I'm still wondering how they're getting around the "natural born" citizen requirement, about which we've heard so much these past 4 years.

Duh. America is God's country.

163 Mattand  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:04:12am

re: #159 Kragar

The best part about electing Jesus will be asking to see the birth certificate and what they put on the line for the father's information.

I'd lean towards "Incompetent and vindictive deity".

164 Kragar  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:09:30am

20 Prequels Too Awesome to Exist

165 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:22:25am

The 1950's, the golden years in the eyes of the atavists... let's take the time machine back to those years:

MP3 Audio
166 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:35:02am

WND isn't even pretending to hide their agenda anymore.

The latest headline in their "US" section, and being promoted by the top of page slideshow, is this hot-button crafted title: BLACK MOBS TERRORIZE 1 OF 'WHITEST BIG CITIES'

After 6 hours, it has collect 611 comments (still online) and it takes not much imagination to figure out what fills that comment section. For those who need some help, here is one comment:

Richard Paul Ferrell
90% of the blacks in this nation are entitled violent racist cowardly trash, their enablers the guilt-ridden liberal morons of the left. Obama and Holder fan the flames for personal gain. None of this trash truly believes in God...

This is what Joseph Farah is encouraging, it is what those who associate with him believe, and it is to these type that Mitt Romney and the current GOP has decided to bow, to get the "conservative" vote.

167 researchok  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 1:19:32am

Morning, all

168 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 1:25:49am

As the time machine controls are still set to the 1950's, and since I believe more of the young people today need some perspective about the American political past, here are some original recordings about those golden 1950's for which so many of our fellow Americans pine.

First, President Truman interrupting a boxing match to discuss his Korean policy, followed by a reporter summarizing the reactions to Truman's run-in with MacArthur:

MP3 Audio

MacArthur, though he left his post obediently as ordered, fought back in the political arena. Here is his keynote address at the 1952 GOP convention, sounding downright war-mongering:

MP3 Audio

Note that MacArthur freely mixes in references to religion as being central to American life, and of the need for "victory" militarily. Also note how he paints (without naming) FDR and Truman and being "radicals" and "reactionaries" and warning of socialism, communism etc., implying that the Democrats were such.

Point is this: While it is true that the old South with its racism was a problem for the Democratic party (a problem with which Truman had to deal), even back in the 1950's the GOP was strongly influenced by the God-n-Guns crowd. It is not new to the the 2012 GOP. Yes, Nixon and then Reagan did bring in the racism of the Old South political structures, but the belief that America was a Christian nation waging war for God around the world against he evils of socialism is very much a GOP position for a long time.

169 researchok  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 1:39:04am

re: #165 freetoken

I listened to about 20 minutes if the episode.

What strikes me is how measured the broadcast is. Back then there wasn't a UFO industry off which lots of people made money.

Murrow doesn't endorse or disclaim a phenomena which was very new at the time. Nowadays we're saturated with what we know are bogus agendas and claims, all trying to sound as credible as Murrow.

170 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 1:42:04am

re: #169 researchok

... Nowadays we're saturated with what we know are bogus agendas and claims, all trying to sound as credible as Murrow.

Everybody after him have tried to sound as credible as Murrow.

171 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 1:59:47am

If only "Plain-talkin'" Mitt could give a speech like this guy:

MP3 Audio
172 researchok  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 2:18:49am

re: #168 freetoken

I listened to MacArthur's remarks (almost 20 mins before the download crapped out) and overall, I'd agree with your sentiments for the most part.

Still, context is in order.

MacArthur was a true war here. Europe was still rebuilding and the war- on a much greater scale than 9/11- left an indelible mark on America and in many ways that has changed us forever.

It is also true the cold war was real and Soviet intentions were a source of great fear. John Kennedy was ready to go to war over Cuba.

Now it would be easy to go on and aon, but in fact, you are also right. MacArthur exploited that fear for self promotion and to retaliate against a political class he thought used him (never mind Truman was right to put this quasi megalomaniac out to pasture. The guy had a cult following. Truman understood military men with cult followings are a danger to teh republic).

He used all the right words and all the right phrases to present himself as a patriot, warrior and defender of the Republic (he was as much a hero to the Dems as he was to the GOP). What got lost in the message was his own self serving agenda.

Anyway, thanks for posting this. It's a good reminder of some of things that shaped us.

173 researchok  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 2:26:41am

re: #171 freetoken

OUTSTANDING!

Needs to be front paged. This is the best four minutes on politics I've heard in a long time (and it isn't as if LGF's don't have four minutes).

Needs to be front paged, today, just prior to Election Day and on Election Day.

174 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 3:23:59am
MP3 Audio
175 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 3:40:32am

re: #53 Be Zorch, Daddio

Hey-- Libertarian science fiction! Apparantly there's a B-Movie coming down the pike and it's gonna star Kevin Sorbo (the Hercules guy) and Ron Paul!

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

aahhh

I guess the libertarians have finally gotten tired of watching Firefly re-runs.

176 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 3:43:38am

re: #58 freetoken

Sorbo I remember from the Andromeda show. In said series there are a few references to Ayn Rand, including showing the lead "Nietzschean" character reading one of her books (centuries in the future!)

Yeah, there was a whole culture of Nietzscheans who formed a culture based on Nietzsche's writing. They destroyed the Interstellar Commonwealth that had kept peace in the galaxy for millennia because "fuck you, that's why?"

Loathsome people.

177 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 3:53:42am

re: #75 Gus

There's no doubt in my mind that life is still much better than in olden days.

[Dobro slide]

I'm reading a book on Peter the Great. It covers a lot more than just Peter's history.

Last night I was reading about Louis XIV dying. His son, all his grandsons and all save one of his great grandsons had preceded him into the hereafter. Queen Anne of England had sixteen children and not one lived long enough to have kids. It's why the English had to import a German to rule them.

This is what happened to the insanely rich and powerful. Imagine what it was like for the people who weren't so fortunate?

178 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 3:55:45am

re: #177 Romantic Heretic

This is what happened to the insanely rich and powerful. Imagine what it was like for the people who weren't so fortunate?

Those people weren't as inbred as the ruling classes...but yes, that is why biology has equipped us to start breeding just after puberty and to turn out as many offspring as possible in the hope that a handful will survive to adulthood.

179 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 4:09:26am

Florida Governor Rick Scott responds to worst tuberculosis outbreak in 20 years...by rushing closure of only clinic dedicated to TB treatment in the region, and suppresses the CDC report warning of the outbreak to legislators .

Worst TB outbreak in 20 years kept secret

JACKSONVILLE —

The CDC officer had a serious warning for Florida health officials in April: A tuberculosis outbreak in Jacksonville was one of the worst his group had investigated in 20 years. Linked to 13 deaths and 99 illnesses, including six children, it would require concerted action to stop.

That report had been penned on April 5, exactly nine days after Florida Gov. Rick Scott signed the bill that shrank the Department of Health and required the closure of the A.G. Holley State Hospital in Lantana, where tough tuberculosis cases have been treated for more than 60 years.

As health officials in Tallahassee turned their focus to restructuring, Dr. Robert Luo’s 25-page report describing Jacksonville’s outbreak — and the measures needed to contain it – went unseen by key decision makers around the state. At the health agency, an order went out that the TB hospital must be closed six months ahead of schedule.

Had they seen the letter, decision makers would have learned that 3,000 people in the past two years may have had close contact with contagious people at Jacksonville’s homeless shelters, an outpatient mental health clinic and area jails. Yet only 253 people had been found and evaluated for TB infection, meaning Florida’s outbreak was, and is, far from contained.

The public was not to learn anything until early June, even though the same strain was appearing in other parts of the state, including Miami.

180 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 4:46:13am

Good morning Lizards!

Quiet in the office today and it looks like it will be a little cooler today in Philadelphia. Really muggy though since the A/C was off over the weekend. :p

Oh, and I rate the apple pie from Trader Joe's a 4 out of 10. Average store bought pastry that was too thick in places. Unevenly spiced contents. And very bland - wrong choice of apple variety to bake.

Now I know why my one friend makes apple pie with pepper sauce in it.

181 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 4:51:54am

That neo-Nazi troll is still rocking the Breitbart thread. Whatta bunch of freaking morons.

182 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 4:53:34am

re: #181 Learned Mother of Zion

That neo-Nazi troll is still rocking the Breitbart thread. Whatta bunch of freaking morons.

Can you post a cache link? I'd like to see the content without getting cooties.

183 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 4:57:53am

Here is the Google results. I can't find a cached link in there. Sometimes Google will link the cache but not always.

184 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 4:59:06am

re: #179 RadicalModerate

Florida Governor Rick Scott responds to worst tuberculosis outbreak in 20 years...by rushing closure of only clinic dedicated to TB treatment in the region, and suppresses the CDC report warning of the outbreak to legislators .

Worst TB outbreak in 20 years kept secret

Standard Republican reaction to a problem: Stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalalalalalala! I can't hear you!"

Almost makes me long for a zombie apocalypse. Just for the lulz. Last words: "But I'm ignoring you!"

185 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:00:23am

re: #183 Learned Mother of Zion

Here is the Google results. I can't find a cached link in there. Sometimes Google will link the cache but not always.

Some sites seem to Google-cache only stuff that is a day or two old. I'll check back later, don't want to give them even a tiny hit-count increment.

186 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:05:18am

re: #183 Learned Mother of Zion

Here is the Google results. I can't find a cached link in there. Sometimes Google will link the cache but not always.

Found the craphead's user nic you posted last night. It's a reference to THX-1138, a movie that strikes a chord with the rwnjs. Will Google around a bit.

187 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:07:58am

re: #186 Decatur Deb

Found the craphead's user nic you posted last night. It's a reference to THX-1138, a movie that strikes a chord with the rwnjs. Will Google around a bit.

It has posted neo-nazi Scheiße at other wingnut sites.

188 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:09:35am

re: #186 Decatur Deb

I found one of the craphead's comments where he mentioned something about "here in Australia.."

189 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:13:19am

re: #181 Learned Mother of Zion

That neo-Nazi troll is still rocking the Breitbart thread. Whatta bunch of freaking morons.

Ugh, I always miss the fun. But, hey, the troll barbecue is rarin' to go this morning. Today's flavor, in deference to the chicken strips I will actually be grilling when I get home tonight, is garlic, herb, and wine marinade. (Or should it be whine?)

Oh, and good morning from the sunny and cool wild north country, etc., etc.

190 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:16:54am

re: #188 Mich-again

I found one of the craphead's comments where he mentioned something about "here in Australia.."

He shows up in Mediaite comments ("a regular conservative").

191 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:21:58am

re: #184 Romantic Heretic

Standard Republican reaction to a problem: Stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalalalalalala! I can't hear you!"

There is one comment that blames Florida's entire TB problem on illegal immigration, and this sort of thinking may have been part of the Governor's decision to leave it on the back burner. Who does it seem to affect the most? illiegal immigrants, homeless people, mental patients, prisoners in jail.. You can almost hear the Tea Baggers say, "Who cares about them? like they might say about most of the victims of AIDS.

192 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:41:35am

State loses new round to Planned Parenthood

Indiana’s decision to deny Medicaid funds to Planned Parenthood because it performs abortions denies women the freedom to choose their health-care providers, a federal hearing officer said.

[...]

I couldn't help but notice how the headline frames the story. Why not write the headline as "Indiana women win access to health care provider"?

193 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:42:13am

re: #192 freetoken

State loses new round to Planned Parenthood

I couldn't help but notice how the headline frames the story. Why not write the headline as "Indiana women win access to health care provider"?

Because that would be pro-Planned Parenthood, and we can't have that.

194 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:43:54am

re: #191 Mich-again

There is one comment that blames Florida's entire TB problem on illegal immigration, and this sort of thinking may have been part of the Governor's decision to leave it on the back burner. Who does it seem to affect the most? illiegal immigrants, homeless people, mental patients, prisoners in jail.. You can almost hear the Tea Baggers say, "Who cares about them? like they might say about most of the victims of AIDS.

It's still a moron behavior. You don't ignore an issue like this and let a disease build itself a reservoir area. Especially since with some poor luck it encounters and crosses with one of the anti-biotic resistent varieties that are out there.

Besides, TB doesn't check your bank account or voting record before deciding whether or not to infect you.

195 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:01:20am

re: #194 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

It's still a moron behavior. You don't ignore an issue like this and let a disease build itself a reservoir area. Especially since with some poor luck it encounters and crosses with one of the anti-biotic resistent varieties that are out there.

Besides, TB doesn't check your bank account or voting record before deciding whether or not to infect you.

Dog will protect the true believers. All others will perish as the good lard intended.

196 darthstar  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:09:57am

Mornin' everyone...it's been a good week of vacation. Spent most of it walking around wearing nothing but a pair of shorts. Went to my brother's new house on the fourth for mom's birthday party and to watch the fireworks (he's got a house on the mountain above the casinos and near the base of Heavenly...fireworks go off directly out front...I sat on the couch in the living room to enjoy them as the view was as good there as it was on the deck). Made the mistake of wearing a white shirt...what happens when you wear a white shirt? You stop drinking bourbon and have a glass of red wine with dinner and then spill it on yourself. Next, you ask your brother if he has a t-shirt you can borrow so you don't walk around looking like a used tampon all night. He throws you one and you slip it on. An hour later, your nephew asks you where you got the totally cool Ted Nugent t-shirt...and you say, 'TED FUCKING NUGENT? What the fuck are you talking about?"

Image: 255348_10151023406623024_140454548_n.jpg

197 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:17:03am

re: #196 darthstar

Mornin' everyone...it's been a good week of vacation. Spent most of it walking around wearing nothing but a pair of shorts. Went to my brother's new house on the fourth for mom's birthday party and to watch the fireworks (he's got a house on the mountain above the casinos and near the base of Heavenly...fireworks go off directly out front...I sat on the couch in the living room to enjoy them as the view was as good there as it was on the deck). Made the mistake of wearing a white shirt...what happens when you wear a white shirt? You stop drinking bourbon and have a glass of red wine with dinner and then spill it on yourself. Next, you ask your brother if he has a t-shirt you can borrow so you don't walk around looking like a used tampon all night. He throws you one and you slip it on. An hour later, your nephew asks you where you got the totally cool Ted Nugent t-shirt...and you say, 'TED FUCKING NUGENT? What the fuck are you talking about?"

Image: 255348_10151023406623024_140454548_n.jpg

UNCLEAN!
(issues Darthstar bell to ring)
;)

198 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:20:34am

Apparently this guy has not seen the movie "Caddyshack"
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I wish him well.

199 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:34:46am

We have a DERP of the Day (but the day is still young)

200 Mattand  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:38:59am

re: #198 Tommy's cone of shame

Apparently this guy has not seen the movie "Caddyshack"
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I wish him well.

Love the photo.

"Well, Mr. Spangler, there's your problem: you've got an undead, anthropomorphic groundhog with a penchant for dancing and patriotism stealing your flags."

Alt caption: "It's in the hole!"

201 Mattand  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:41:34am

re: #198 Tommy's cone of shame

Also, $20 says that when Fox News catches wind of this (and they most certainly will), they'll make a "joke" about how the groundhog is a Democrat.

My money's on Fox and Friends. They need to learn how to pronounce "groundhog" first, though.

202 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:43:09am

re: #201 Mattand

Also, $20 says that when Fox News catches wind of this (and they most certainly will), they'll make a "joke" about how the groundhog is a Democrat.

My money's on Fox and Friends. They need to learn how to pronounce "groundhog" first, though.

I wonder what the over/under is on someone comparing the animal to Obama.

203 Mattand  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:45:20am

re: #202 thedopefishlives

I wonder what the over/under is on someone comparing the animal to Obama.

Low, in that there are no racial slurs directed at African Americans that are based on groundhogs.

So far.

204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:47:00am

re: #203 Mattand

Low, in that there are no racial slurs directed at African Americans that are based on groundhogs.

So far.

Well, I'm sure they'll figure something out; after all, I wouldn't have considered comparison to a Wookiee a racial slur until the whole Michelle Obama thing.

205 erik_t  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:47:35am

re: #202 thedopefishlives

I wonder what the over/under is on someone comparing the animal to Obama.

Well, for one thing, they'd compare him to a gro und hw0g.

206 darthstar  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:49:06am
207 darthstar  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 6:54:32am

That is pretty funny.

208 darthstar  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:02:30am

Okay...time to run the dogs and get my own ass moving for work.

Could be a big news week for me...fingers crossed.

209 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:14:44am

re: #207 darthstar

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That is pretty funny.

Fucking poor people. -- Billionaire in the Hamptons

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210 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:22:48am

Hum de dum.

211 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:24:20am

re: #196 darthstar

Must be real nice to be able to lay back and catch the fireworks without the hassle of going and dealing with the crowds. I have the same issue with yellow shirts and red wine. Without fail, I always get the shirt and it gets ruined.

212 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:28:38am

re: #211 lawhawk

Must be real nice to be able to lay back and catch the fireworks without the hassle of going and dealing with the crowds. I have the same issue with yellow shirts and red wine. Without fail, I always get the shirt and it gets ruined.

My father-in-law knows just how to pull this one off. At the park where we go to watch fireworks, there is a side parking lot next to the baseball diamond that is always closed off, as they attempt to fill the park from back to front. He approaches the security officers with a long story about an annual family reunion and we always park next to the ball diamond, and invariably, the officer on duty allows us to pass. Rather amusing, but also very convenient. I joked to my wife that I have no idea what the family is going to do when he eventually passes on.

213 erik_t  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:30:44am

re: #212 thedopefishlives

My father-in-law knows just how to pull this one off. At the park where we go to watch fireworks, there is a side parking lot next to the baseball diamond that is always closed off, as they attempt to fill the park from back to front. He approaches the security officers with a long story about an annual family reunion and we always park next to the ball diamond, and invariably, the officer on duty allows us to pass. Rather amusing, but also very convenient. I joked to my wife that I have no idea what the family is going to do when he eventually passes on.

By this point, I guess it's even true!

214 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:32:27am

Two day old news...

Pro-Breivik blogger held over cop killer threats

Police in Bergen have arrested 34-year-old blogger Eivind Berge after he made repeated calls for deadly attacks on police officers.

I notice from his website:
[Link: eivindberge.blogspot.com...]
that he is a fan of Steve Sailer.

Figures.

His twitter feed is somewhat, I think the word is - misogynist:
[Link: twitter.com...]

215 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:33:01am

Good morning lizards!

Another storm hit last night knocking out the power. We got it back while I was sleeping and actually got almost an inch of rain out of it. My garden is very happy :)

216 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:34:15am

Oh, he's a fan of Glen Beck too - figures :

On July 22, 2011 the social democratic regime in Oslo was struck by violence so spectacular it took us all by surprise. The ruling class of a country has never, as far as I know, been so systematically and viciously assaulted by a single individual. The bombing of government offices was impressive enough, but the shooting spree which followed was mind-bogglingly effective, literally decimating the crème de la crème of aspiring young politicians for the ruling Labor Party. The ethics of shooting defenseless teenagers at summer camp can be questioned, to say the least, but it sure was a brilliant way to strike at the core of the Norwegian political elite. These are the next generation of political leaders, and what better way to terrorize the parents – the current top holders of political office – than going after their kids? As Glenn Beck has observed, the AUF youth at Utøya are reminiscent of Hitler-Jugend. Utøya is where leftist kids come to be indoctrinated every summer, steeping themselves in liberal propaganda and listening to inspirational speeches by current and former social democratic leaders such as Gro Harlem Brundtland. In retrospect, it was extremely thoughtless by the ruling class not to post a single armed guard at this event. Politics is serious business after all, and such a hotbed of recruitment concentrated on an island with no easy escape is an obvious target for political enemies, if you think about it. I guess they were still under the illusion that Norway is an idyllic place which somehow does not foster violent malcontents no matter how downtrodden we get.

217 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:37:49am

re: #212 thedopefishlives

Well, you could always say that you're celebrate your father's passing at his favorite spot in the world where he would have his annual reunions.

218 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:38:02am

re: #216 freetoken

Oh, he's a fan of Glen Beck too - figures :

Wingnuts of a feather, etc., etc.

219 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:38:38am

re: #217 lawhawk

Well, you could always say that you're celebrate your father's passing at his favorite spot in the world where he would have his annual reunions.

And by that point, every deputy in Carver County would probably have heard the story, so we'd probably get away with it.

220 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:03:55am

Another one from Johnathan Krohn, Not much new but I did like this bit...I was a right-wing child star

Political divisiveness in America today is a childish thing anyway. The never-ending war between the left and the right seems to me like a couple of drunken college boys fighting over which one of their fraternities is cooler. Think about it: Once you join a side, you have to obey the house rules, go to all the parties, and defend your status as a member of the greatest club on campus. And this is what drove me away from conservatism to my admittedly center-left position of independent mindedness (if that’s a thing).

I was tired of being a part of the ideological warfare this country is so caught up in.

221 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:12:09am

The bulls win! The bulls win. 3 gored in 3rd day of the running of the bulls in Pamplona.

I can't help but root for the bulls in this contest, where the bulls generally meet their demise in the bullfighting ring.

222 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:13:13am

Syrian opposition group: Death toll tops 17,000

An opposition group that documents human rights violations in Syria says more than 17,000 people have been killed since the uprising against President Bashar Assad began in March 2011.

The violence has grown increasingly chaotic in recent months, and it is difficult to assign blame for much of the bloodshed as the country spirals toward civil war.

The government restricts journalists from moving freely, making it impossible to independently verify death tolls.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Monday that among the 17,129 deaths are 11,897 civilians, 4,348 soldiers and 884 military defectors.

223 The Left  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:20:52am

It's quiet!

Too quiet....

224 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:21:36am

re: #223 Millicent Islam

It's quiet!

Too quiet...

Hi {ice}! Actually, we're having the same problem at work. There's 4 people in the team room right now, and nobody is saying a word. It's eerie.

225 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:22:04am

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

Syrian opposition group: Death toll tops 17,000

No worries. The UN is leaping into action and will string out the conflict as long as possible.
Annan and Bashar al-Assad agree on 'new approach' to Syrian conflict

Kofi Annan, the United Nations special envoy to Syria, announced today that he and Bashar al-Assad reached an agreement on a new approach to ending the violence in Syria.

But support for a negotiated solution with the regime to the Syrian crisis seems to be waning, even among those world powers who steadfastly oppose outside intervention. This could leave Mr. Annan with only the regime and its supporters behind his diplomatic efforts, warned an editorial in the Lebanon-based Daily Star today.

226 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:22:34am

re: #223 Millicent Islam

It's quiet!

Too quiet...

I Renounce the Silence!

227 The Left  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:22:44am

re: #224 thedopefishlives

Hi {ice}! Actually, we're having the same problem at work. There's 4 people in the team room right now, and nobody is saying a word. It's eerie.

Hello little Fish! Hope you're doing well today.

228 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:24:40am

re: #227 Millicent Islam

Hello little Fish! Hope you're doing well today.

Doing just fine. Had a wonderful relaxing weekend in between all the madness of this busy summer. Hope things are well across the pond.

229 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:33:10am

Dim Hoft DERP

230 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:33:52am

France sells bonds at negative interest rate
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
Does that mean you get less money back when your bond matures?
I am so confused!

231 Artist  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:37:28am

re: #229 Learned Mother of Zion

Dim Hoft DERP

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More than derp. That's fucking evil.

232 The Left  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:37:30am

Hoops, are you here? Check your email!

233 The Left  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:38:19am

re: #231 Artist

More than derp. That's fucking evil.

Yeah, DERP doesn't begin to cover it.

234 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:39:06am

re: #225 Killgore Trout

No worries. The UN is leaping into action and will string out the conflict as long as possible.
Annan and Bashar al-Assad agree on 'new approach' to Syrian conflict

We can always count on the UN to be on top of things.

Iran becomes UN's go-to for arms trade

Iran was elected to a top post on the UN Arms Trade Treaty conference, revealed UN Watch today in an exclusive report.

The Geneva-based human rights group is calling on UN chief Ban Ki-moon, who addressed the conference on the same day, to condemn the selection of the Tehran regime.

Although the U.N. conference website and summary fail to name the 15 members elected to the bureau on July 3rd, UN Watch has discovered that the countries elected to the five regional groups include Iran, Japan, and South Korea for the Asian group; Kenya, Egypt and Nigeria for Africa; Azerbaijan, Belarus, and Ukraine for Eastern Europe; Australia, Netherlands and Switzerland for the Western Europe & Others Group; and Mexico and two others for Latin America.

The United Nations Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty, which opened last week and runs until July 27, promises to deliver a new agreement to regulate the transfer of arms.

Heh.

235 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:41:04am

Mario Cuomo, running for pres?!
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Fish fear him:
[Link: blog.timesunion.com...]

236 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:41:28am

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

Iran and the arms trade... They learned everything then know from Ollie North, maybe?

237 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:41:54am

Center-right huh Team Romney. Lie with dogs something something.

238 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:42:06am

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

We can always count on the UN to be on top of things.

Iran becomes UN's go-to for arms trade

Heh.

Wait, didn't Iran buy some illegal weapons from a rogue state a few years back?

I can't remember who the bastards were who were selling the weapons though, can anyone help me out?

239 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:42:25am

re: #236 freetoken

Iran and the arms trade... They learned everything then know from Ollie North, maybe?

Ha. Too quick for me!

240 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:44:18am

Did Ollie get outta jail yet?

241 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:45:13am

re: #230 Tommy's cone of shame

France sells bonds at negative interest rate
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
Does that mean you get less money back when your bond matures?
I am so confused!

Yeah, looks like the investors are paying interest to the treasury...

In a sale Monday, the treasury sold three-month bonds at -0.005 percent, and six-month bonds at -0.006 percent. The treasury agency says it's the first time they have registered negative yields.

Maybe that means the Euro is going to deflate. Investors would bet that the treasury bond is going to lose less value that the Euro if the kept cash.
/Just a guess

242 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:48:27am

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Even when the interest rates offered are positive, if they are too small to cover expected inflation they are in effect "negative" rates as far as real returns. The US short term rates are so low the buyers are essentially not making any real gains.

It's just a safe place to park money.

243 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:49:50am

re: #242 freetoken

Even when the interest rates offered are positive, if they are too small to cover expected inflation they are in effect "negative" rates as far as real returns. The US short term rates are so low the buyers are essentially not making any real gains.

It's just a safe place to park money.

GOLD

244 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:50:57am

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

So far most sources are citing UN Watch exclusive report so I'm a little suspect. Irannian sources seem to confirm it.

Iran elected as deputy UN Arms Trade Treaty

New York, July 7, IRNA – Iran has been elected as deputy for the talks to regulate global arms trade treaty.

I guess that's just the way the UN rolls.

245 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:54:46am

I'm parking all my money in the same investment fund Mitt uses.

It's a hedging strategy: if he wins, I make a ton of money. If he loses, the US might not crumble into a fascist theocracy where everyone is forced to eat three hot dogs a day and support the Coca-Cola company.

246 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:55:38am

re: #244 Killgore Trout

So far most sources are citing UN Watch exclusive report so I'm a little suspect. Irannian sources seem to confirm it.

Iran elected as deputy UN Arms Trade Treaty

I guess that's just the way the UN rolls.

According to the Jerusalem Post a video has confirmed it.

Although Iran's selection has not yet been formally published according to UN Watch, video footage of the Conference clearly confirms IRNA's claims that Iran was selected for key roles.

Next North Korea will be in charge of the United Nations Human Rights Council.

247 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:56:42am

re: #50 Gus

The war on terror is not a war on Islam.

That's the thing though. For a large number of the religious right, it is. That's where things like the Louisiana voucher snafu come from. That's where "anti-Sharia" laws (which have actually been passed in several places) come from. That's where municipalities suddenly revoking permission to build mosques comes from.

This must be understood, if this nation is ever to have any hope of being salvaged: the War On Terror™ is, for many Americans, a holy war of Christianity vs. Islam. They refuse to recognize that "some terrorists happen to be muslim" does not mean that the entire billion-plus strong faith is evil. They see a fellow citizen who just so happens to adhere to the muslim faith and immediately equate them with The Terrorists™, solely because of that faith.

248 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 8:59:31am

I love how the UN is simultaneously this bumbling inefficient irrelevance and THE MOST FRIGHTENINGLY EVIL FORCE KNOWN TO MAN.

249 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:03:04am

re: #248 iossarian

I love how the UN is simultaneously this bumbling inefficient irrelevance and THE MOST FRIGHTENINGLY EVIL FORCE KNOWN TO MAN.

Pretty much describes the mindset of a typical conspiracy theorist.

250 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:03:05am

re: #248 iossarian

I love how the UN is simultaneously this bumbling inefficient irrelevance and THE MOST FRIGHTENINGLY EVIL FORCE KNOWN TO MAN.

The same way that The Gub'mint is a horribly-bloated, inefficient, tyrannical oppressor of the people, but the military and police (one of the largest parts of the government and the best-equipped to actually oppress) are awesome and amazing and how dare you say anything bad about them.

251 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:03:13am

Agenda 21

252 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:03:51am

Pretty soon they'll have UN Drones™ checking to see that American rednecks aren't violating building codes.

//

253 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:07:50am

So I'm looking at the WND article about Obama's "missing year," and I come away with the following thought:

Nobody has claimed he didn't earn or receive his diploma.

Also, this is a really stupid argument.

254 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:08:37am

re: #252 Gus

Pretty soon they'll have UN Drones™ checking to see that American rednecks aren't violating building codes.

//

So my neighbor wasn't starting his lawnmower at 10:00 last night, he was piloting a UN Drone™? The rat bastard!

255 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:11:09am

Ironically it was the UN that helped keep South Korea out of communist hands.

256 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:11:26am

They also played a primary role in the establishment of Israel.

257 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:13:57am

re: #251 Gus

Agenda 21

Of course the Iranian stamp of approval on international gun trade is going to send the wingnuts into fits. In reality the Iranians are going to use their position to interfere with NATO supplying arms to rebels in Syria and assist arms smuggling into Lebanon and Gaza. The intel they gain from being on the UN committee could also help improve their many failed terrorist attempts around the world.

258 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:17:15am

re: #235 Tommy's cone of shame

It's not Mario running for President. It's Mario talking about his son Andrew contemplating a presidential bid and Andrew having to address comments to him that his dad thought that he might run.

Andrew running for president isn't so far fetched, but that would be at least 2016 or later.

259 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:17:18am

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Of course the Iranian stamp of approval on international gun trade is going to send the wingnuts into fits. In reality the Iranians are going to use their position to interfere with NATO supplying arms to rebels in Syria and assist arms smuggling into Lebanon and Gaza. The intel they gain from being on the UN committee could also help improve their many failed terrorist attempts around the world.

I almost forgot the most important advantage Iran gains from their new UN position. It would greatly assist the mullahs domestically to crush any groups that might want to overthrow their own regime.

260 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:17:45am

re: #253 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So I'm looking at the WND article about Obama's "missing year," and I come away with the following thought:

Nobody has claimed he didn't earn or receive his diploma.

Also, this is a really stupid argument.

So he was AWOL from school. Do they consider that desertion? Are there federal laws about that? What is the penalty for being away from college when your friends and fellow students are dying and you are off gallivanting in Tenn. or where ever away from your post ... er classes? Bet he was gonna have to take a drug test and he knew he couldn't pass it.

261 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:18:07am

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Of course the Iranian stamp of approval on international gun trade is going to send the wingnuts into fits. In reality the Iranians are going to use their position to interfere with NATO supplying arms to rebels in Syria and assist arms smuggling into Lebanon and Gaza. The intel they gain from being on the UN committee could also help improve their many failed terrorist attempts around the world.

It's just a council to help draft an International Treaty. It's not a regulatory agency with binding powers. UN treaties are easily and frequently ignored. The USA still has the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution. About the most intel they'll see is a bunch of academic statistics and perhaps some emotional hearings. This group won't have control over arms. It's just a treaty.

262 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:18:51am

So I was reading a bit about the Iran-Contra affair, to refresh my memory of what happens when rogue states get into the arms trade business.

Anyway, it led me, indirectly, to the following little gem (via the SC decision to uphold the appeal against the conviction of the Reagan administration guy who'd apparently OK'd the arms trafficking).

The SC, in the same set of rulings, rejected a Bush administration appeal against a lower court ruling that the military needed to defend itself against a discrimination claim on the part of a servicewoman who was fired for being gay.

I particularly enjoyed the name on the brief. Just a further reminder that Republicans are no friends to the gay community:

In its Supreme Court appeal, Cheney v. Pruitt, No. 92-389, the Administration said the appeals court should have deferred to the military rather than "second-guess the judgment of military officials as to what categories of persons should be barred from military service in order to promote an effective and disciplined fighting force."

Anyway, that was my fun bit of internet randomness for the day!

263 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:19:19am

Abbas to attend Tehran summit, following invitation by Ahmadinejad

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will visit Tehran in late August in order to attend a summit of the Non-Aligned Movement, Palestinian officials said on Sunday, after the Palestinian Authority head was invited by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Abbas was invited to the summit by Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, on Ahmadinejad's behalf, during a meeting between the two in Jordan. The PA chairman accepted the invitation to the meet, which will take place August 30-31 in Tehran.

In an interview to Israel's Channel 2 broadcast on Saturday night, Abbas said that the Palestinians will resume attempts to get the United Nations to recognize a Palestinian state, if no peace talks with Israel are forthcoming.

Doesn't he know there's a bigger priority at the UH concerning him and his continuing genocide of the Syrian people?

264 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:20:04am

Agenda 21!

265 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:20:18am

re: #260 RayFerd

So he was AWOL from school. Do they consider that desertion? Are there federal laws about that? What is the penalty for being away from college when your friends and fellow students are dying and you are off gallivanting in Tenn. or where ever away from your post ... er classes? Bet he was gonna have to take a drug test and he knew he couldn't pass it.

You, sir, score big points in the "hates America" sweepstakes.

266 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:20:40am

re: #265 iossarian

You, sir, score big points in the "hates America" sweepstakes.

I love winning

267 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:20:52am

Iran is going to take over the world!

268 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:21:19am

re: #267 Gus

Iran is going to take over the world!

I thought it was China?!?!

269 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:21:31am

re: #267 Gus

Iran is going to take over the world!

And they couldn't even beat Iraq either.

270 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:21:33am

re: #258 lawhawk

Shit, I'm sorry I meant Andy, old habits die hard, I guess I am showing my age.

271 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:21:39am

re: #264 Gus

re: #267 Gus

I love the smell of a good nontroversy. Smells like bacon.

272 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:22:01am

re: #268 Varek Raith

I thought it was China?!?!

I thought it was the New World Order!

273 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:22:19am

re: #270 Tommy's cone of shame

Shit, I'm sorry I meant Andy, old habits die hard, I guess I am showing my age.

zip your pants

274 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:23:49am

re: #273 sattv4u2


oops, sorry.

275 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:24:47am

Arms Trade Treaty Can Sow Seeds of Peace, Spark Hope of Overcoming Violence, Conference Told as It Considers Scope, Elements, Potential of Future Text

Also addressing the Conference were the representatives of Trinidad and Tobago (on behalf of the Caribbean Community), Nigeria (on behalf of the African Group), Kenya, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Liechtenstein, Brazil, Cuba, Malaysia, Finland, France, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Canada, Israel, Chile, Estonia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia (on behalf of the Arab League), Turkey, Spain, Thailand, Mexico (on behalf of the Group of Friends of Latin America and Caribbean States), United States (on behalf of the five Permanent Members of the Security Council), United Kingdom, Myanmar (on behalf of Association of South-East Asian Nations), Yemen, Mexico, Netherlands, Greece and South Africa.

The representatives of Algeria, Iran, Syria, Democratic Republic of Korea, India, United Kingdom and Portugal made statements on procedural matters.

The Conference’s general exchange of views will continue at 10 a.m. on Friday, 6 July.

276 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:25:33am

It's an arms treaty. From the UN. Everyone gets their say per usual. It's just like past nuclear non-proliferation treaties that saw the SOVIETS at the table. SOP.

277 The Left  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:26:47am

re: #276 Gus

It's an arms treaty. From the UN. Everyone gets their say per usual. It's just like past nuclear non-proliferation treaties that saw the SOVIETS at the table. SOP.

Nooooo! It's an existential threat!

278 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:27:01am

re: #276 Gus

It's an arms treaty. From the UN. Everyone gets their say per usual. It's just like past nuclear non-proliferation treaties that saw the SOVIETS at the table. SOP.

I think you're right, but I preferred the bacon analogy.

279 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:27:10am

re: #191 Mich-again

There is one comment that blames Florida's entire TB problem on illegal immigration, and this sort of thinking may have been part of the Governor's decision to leave it on the back burner. Who does it seem to affect the most? illiegal immigrants, homeless people, mental patients, prisoners in jail.. You can almost hear the Tea Baggers say, "Who cares about them? like they might say about most of the victims of AIDS.

I saw that. There is a reason behind it. All those people are sinners. They chose to be illegal immigrants etc.

Religious people, which people like Scott and his backers generally are, rarely treat sinner with kindness.

280 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:27:54am

re: #277 Millicent Islam

Nooo! It's an existential threat!

Noooo,, it's a floor wax,,

Noooo,,,it's a dessert topping

281 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:28:51am

Arms Trade Treaty

The Arms Trade Treaty is the name of a potential multilateral treaty that would regulate the international trade in conventional weapons. The treaty will be negotiated at a global conference under the auspices of the United Nations from 2 - 27 July 2012 in New York....

U.S. overturns former position

On 14 October 2009 the Obama administration announced in a statement released by Hillary Clinton and the State Department that it was overturning the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed a proposed Arms Trade treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.[7] The shift in position by the U.S., the world's biggest arms exporter with a $55 billion-a-year trade in conventional firearms[8] (40 percent of the global total), led to the launching of formal negotiations at the United Nations in order to begin drafting the Arms Trade Treaty. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in a statement the U.S. would support the negotiations on condition they are “under the rule of consensus decision-making needed to ensure that all countries can be held to standards that will actually improve the global situation.” Clinton said the consensus, in which every nation has an effective veto on agreements, was needed “to avoid loopholes in the treaty that can be directly exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly.”[9]

282 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:29:40am

re: #281 Gus

Arms Trade Treaty

Opposition in the United States

Given the predominant position of the United States as a global arms exporter[10], any such treaty would have limited relevance without its participation. Ratification would require passage by a 2/3 majority of the U.S. Senate in addition to presidential approval, which is rendered unlikely by opposition from gun rights groups such as the National Rifle Association, who claim that the treaty is an attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment and similar guarantees in state constitutions in order to impose domestic gun regulations.[11] Advocates of the treaty claim that it only pertains to international arms trade, and would have no effect on current domestic laws[12][13]. These advocates point to the UN General Assembly resolution starting the process on the Arms Trade Treaty. The resolution explicitly states that it is “the exclusive right of States to regulate internal transfers of arms and national ownership, including through constitutional protections on private ownership.”

As of September 14, 2011, 58 US Senators (45 Republicans and 13 Democrats) have expressed their opposition to an ATT that would limit the Second Amendment rights of US citizens.[14] As this group comprises far more than 1/3 of the Senate, it is sufficient to block ratification of the treaty by the United States if the treaty addresses civilian ownership of firearms. However, the strength of the opposition remains unclear because the treaty will not likely address the Second Amendment issue.

A quick search of the Internet (on Feb 8, 2012) confirms that the treaty is highly controversial in the United States and has been fodder for political speeches, blogs, viral political e-mails and advertisements claiming or insinuating that the treaty provides a "legal way around the 2nd amendment," and a "complete ban on all weapons for U.S. citizens." Snopes.com, the "urban myth" tester, calls the viral e-mail "scarelore" and false.[15] The Huffington Post reports that "such a scenario remains virtually impossible."[16] The Los Angeles Times reports on October 23, 2011 that "only a narrow fringe purports that Americans could see their guns taken away by the U.N., which has no authority over constitutional rights."[17]

283 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:30:13am

So to recap...

Ratification [of the UN Arms Trade Treaty] would require passage by a 2/3 majority of the U.S. Senate in addition to presidential approval, which is rendered unlikely by opposition from gun rights groups such as the National Rifle Association, who claim that the treaty is an attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment and similar guarantees in state constitutions in order to impose domestic gun regulations.

284 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:30:50am

Are we clear yet?

285 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:31:30am

re: #281 Gus

This was covered during the trial of Viktor Bout. The US opposition to arms control in the past is a bit part of how people like him got to make money out of selling weapons to some truly evil people.

Nice to see Obama changing things up.

Hey, that's one of those "change" things!

286 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:32:42am

re: #284 Gus

Are we clear yet?

MUSLIMS

287 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:33:12am

re: #285 iossarian

This was covered during the trial of Viktor Bout. The US opposition to arms control in the past is a bit part of how people like him got to make money out of selling weapons to some truly evil people.

Nice to see Obama changing things up.

Hey, that's one of those "change" things!

Exactly. So while the right is all worried about Iran being at the table the NRA is lobbying to be able to essentially sell guns to whomever they want.

288 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:33:55am

Arms Trade Treaty?!?! What are you crazy? We should be able to sell land mines to whomever we want!

289 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:34:14am

re: #284 Gus

Are we clear yet?

huh?

290 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:34:16am

re: #288 Gus

Arms Trade Treaty?!?! What are you crazy? We should be able to sell land mines to whomever we want!

Land mines, TOW missiles, RPG's, what could POSSIBLY go wrong?!

291 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:34:37am

re: #287 Gus

Exactly. So while the right is all worried about Iran being at the table the NRA is lobbying to be able to essentially sell guns to whomever they want.

...in a manner that could be described as "Hastily and Angrily"... no, wait....

292 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:35:48am

re: #287 Gus

Exactly. So while the right is all worried about Iran being at the table the NRA is lobbying to be able to essentially sell guns to whomever they want.

The NRA wants to sell guns to Iran?

I did not know that!!

293 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:35:52am

re: #289 sattv4u2

huh?

Image: cute-animals-daily-squee-reader-squee-reaching-maximum-capacity.jpg

294 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:36:10am

re: #291 wrenchwench

...in a manner that could be described as "Hastily and Angrily"... no, wait...

Fast and Furious!!!!

295 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:36:32am

re: #293 Varek Raith

Image: cute-animals-daily-squee-reader-squee-reaching-maximum-capacity.jpg

BBQ'd , please

296 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:36:45am

re: #292 sattv4u2

The NRA wants to sell guns to Iran?

I did not know that!!

The NRA opposed legislation that would prohibit those on a terrorist watchlist from buying guns.

297 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:37:14am

Meanwhile, in not-at-all-bigoted right-wing anti-google land:

FROM VIRGINIA
Posted on July 8, 2012 at 9:59pm
@Realitybites – One thing that hasn‘t changed is God’s opinion of gay. He destroyed two cities because of it. Both Greece and Rome declined and failed once it was the norm. Civilizations DIE when this disease is accepted and followed as normal.

I don‘t suppose you’ve notice that since gay went mainstream how much this country has started to die?

CAVALLO
Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:24am
Don’t use Google. Don’t use Google social networking. There are others who are more neutral, like Bing and Yahoo. Google is exceptionally leftist. They sabotage right leaning blogs, and support left leaning ones (even Anti-Semitic ones). They also cooperate with Communist China in the suppression of their people. Don’t use Google.

298 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:38:20am

re: #297 iossarian

Meanwhile, in not-at-all-bigoted right-wing anti-google land:

Oh brother. Yeah. Google is also run by the UN. //

299 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:38:26am

re: #292 sattv4u2

The NRA wants to sell guns to Iran?

I did not know that!!

Yes, the NRA opposes efforts to implement international arms treaties that would prevent the sale of weapons to regimes on various humanitarian grounds.

You learn something new every day!

300 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:39:09am

The All Powerful UN is rooting in your cellar looking for your guns to arm its One World Order military jackboots (complete with cute little flowery emblems). Hide your weapons. Hide your sons. (They're all gay so you don't have to hide your wife or daughters). Hide your gold and your seed. (You really don't want to waste your seed.)

301 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:39:48am

re: #284 Gus

Are we clear yet?

As snot.

302 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:40:20am

re: #288 Gus

Arms Trade Treaty?!?! What are you crazy? We should be able to sell land mines to whomever we want!

You do. You do.

303 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:41:02am

10 kt landmines for sale!

304 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:41:03am

re: #300 b_sharp

(You really don't want to waste your seed.)

Onan did and look what happened to him.

Internet FunFact: the very first Google (boo! hiss!) result for "onan" is a company called, impossibly, "Cummins Onan":

[Link: www.cumminsonan.com...]

305 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:41:53am

re: #296 Varek Raith

re: #299 iossarian

DRONE THE NRA!!

306 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:42:13am

re: #301 b_sharp

As snot.

Pretty much. Butthurt over an Iranian deputy (who's probably a douche) being picked for a UN arm trade treaty that will never be ratified in the USA let alone followed. It'll go the way of the land mine treaty we never signed or ratified to this day. The Iranian won't use this position to funnel weapons anywhere. That's a conspiracy theory made up out of nothing.

307 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:42:35am

re: #304 iossarian

Onan did and look what happened to him.

Internet FunFact: the very first Google (boo! hiss!) result for "onan" is a company called, impossibly, "Cummins Onan":

[Link: www.cumminsonan.com...]

And he'll be cummin 'round the mountain, when he cums...

308 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:43:55am

re: #307 b_sharp

And he'll be cummin 'round the mountain, when he cums...

need a wipe?

309 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:44:09am

re: #305 sattv4u2

re: #299 iossarian

DRONE THE NRA!!

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310 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:44:30am

Iran picked as deputy for Law of the Sea Treaty in the UN. Now Iran will rule the seas and smuggle arms by way of ship to the Palestinians and Hezbollah and eventually destroy the state of Israel no thanks to Barack HUSSEIN Obama and the United Nations!!

Uhhh. No.

311 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:45:23am

re: #303 Varek Raith

10 kt landmines for sale!

OOooo sparklies!

312 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:45:29am
In a statement, U.N. watch executive director Hillel Neuer says, “Right after a UN Security Council report found Iran guilty of illegally transferring guns and bombs to Syria, which is now murdering thousands of its own people, it defies logic, morality and common sense for the UN to now elect this same regime to a global post regulating the transfer of guns and bombs. ... This is like choosing Bernie Madoff to police fraud on the stock market. And the U.N.’s scandalous choice of Iran is exactly why we fear that Syria’s declared bid for a U.N. Human Rights Council seat is not impossible.”

I can't seem to find fault with that.

313 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:45:51am

re: #309 iossarian

Image: 1973297-manuel_que.jpg

Image: predator.jpg

Image: nra-logo.jpg

314 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:46:42am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

I can't seem to find fault with that.

Have fun in the bottom 10!!

//

315 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:46:51am

re: #292 sattv4u2

The NRA wants to sell guns to Iran?

I did not know that!!

I figure that's some kind of quip meant as a kind of disagreement, but in fact the NRA wants to preserve the right of any non-felon to buy as many weapons as they wish to, no matter where they end up the next day. This is a big deal in Arizona and New Mexico, where 'next day' could be deep in Mexico. That's why Fast & Furious resulted in so few prosecutions. The buyers weren't breaking any laws.

316 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:46:54am

re: #313 sattv4u2

Image: predator.jpg

Image: nra-logo.jpg

Are you saying we should bomb the NRA?

317 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:48:03am

re: #297 iossarian

Meanwhile, in not-at-all-bigoted right-wing anti-google land:

Must be a scary place they live in. Everyone out to get them. Those "others" coming in and disrupting their utopia. Not letting them tell those "others" what to do and how to live. If I were them I would start thinking this life isn't worth living, that maybe the afterlife next to the lard and jesus might be the best place to be at this time. Why wait for rapture, seize the day!

318 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:48:31am

re: #225 Killgore Trout

No worries. The UN is leaping into action and will string out the conflict as long as possible.
Annan and Bashar al-Assad agree on 'new approach' to Syrian conflict

Why blame the UN? The UN is bound by its charter not to interfere with the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. It had to be that way otherwise most nations would not have signed on, the UN would have been as pointless as the League of Nations, and we would probably have had WWIII about 25 years after the end of WWII.

The UN may not be quite what it was intended to be, and it has some major problems, but it succeeded at the main reason it was created: to prevent WWIII.

319 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:50:01am

re: #314 sattv4u2

Have fun in the bottom 10!!

//

I'll be so lonely in there. It's been so empty lately.

320 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:50:28am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

I'll be so lonely in there. It's been so empty lately.

No worries
We can be cell mates!

321 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:51:01am

Better dust off my asbestos underwear. Today looks like it's going to be a hot one.

322 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:51:33am

re: #314 sattv4u2

Have fun in the bottom 10!!

//

Why? Hillel Neuer has a point. But the larger picture is multifaceted. I already noted the treaty will not be ratified by the USA. There's no doubt it won't be ratified by Israel, Russia, China, Venezuela and probably in the end not even Iran itself -- unless it does so as a propaganda move (i.e. "see we're part of the arms treaty now leave us alone.")

323 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:51:58am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

I can't seem to find fault with that.

They take turns.

How many governments has the US replaced with their own leaders? How should that be viewed on the world stage?

The point is, there are no purely innocent countries out there and to maintain dialogue, as long as dialogue continues to reduce the number and severity of conflict, seats in the UN have to be assigned impartially.

324 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:52:47am

re: #314 sattv4u2

Have fun in the bottom 10!!

//

Look down, your shoe is untied.

325 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:52:57am

re: #322 Gus

Why? Hillel Neuer has a point. But the larger picture is multifaceted. I already noted the treaty will not be ratified by the USA. There's no doubt it won't be ratified by Israel, Russia, China, Venezuela and probably in the end not even Iran itself -- unless it does so as a propaganda move (i.e. "see we're part of the arms treaty now leave us alone.")

It gets old pointing out to people that the US plays all the same diplomatic games that these other countries do.

"But we're different because we're the good guys."

326 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:53:36am

re: #316 iossarian

Are you saying we should bomb the NRA?

RIGHT ARM!!

KOOL BEANS!!

327 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:54:17am

re: #321 thedopefishlives

Better dust off my asbestos underwear. Today looks like it's going to be a hot one.

You wear underwear on hot days?

328 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:55:06am

re: #324 b_sharp

Look down, your shoe is untied.

Jokes on you

I have no feet!

329 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:55:22am

THIS IS TRULY HORRIBLE!
The "United Nations",originally the name the Allies called themselves while FIGHTING FASCISM in WWII,the name they gave the new Post-WWII "League of Nations" is NOW the Third Reich and Imperial Japan COMBINED with Islamic Jihad spearheading it all.
Time for the GOP to take off the gloves,and make DEFUNDING and EXPELLING the UN from New York a PLATFORM ISSUE.
There was the original "dream" of the UN and there is THIS REALITY of the 21st Century UN.
The ROLL-CALL vote of this "election" of Iran should be made public.
Let's see how many "allies" of the U.S. VOTED for Iran and how much American $$$ they receive as Foreign Aid!

330 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:55:27am

re: #285 iossarian

Hey, that's one of those "change" things!

You mean Change That We Believe In™?

Defense Firms Fear U.S. Budget Cuts

WASHINGTON—A specter is haunting Washington—the specter of sequestration.

That's the term budget wonks use to describe automatic federal spending cuts that are set to begin in January. For months, U.S. aerospace and defense firms have warned that across-the-board cuts put into law by last year's Budget Control Act would spell disaster for the industry. Now they are starting to talk openly about when they might have to hand out pink slips to their employees.

With more than $50 billion in new Pentagon cuts set to kick in in early January, industry officials say they must begin notifying employees of potential layoffs or plant closings this fall, consistent with state and federal laws. In an election year, however, it's unclear whether lawmakers can agree on a deal to reverse some of the cuts.

It's also unclear how extensive the job cuts would be. The National Association of Manufacturers said in a June 21 report that Pentagon spending cuts may lead to the loss of more than 1 million jobs, including 130,000 manufacturing jobs, by 2014.

...U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has described sequestration as the "meat ax" approach to reducing defense outlays. And he has urged Congress to halt the automatic cuts, saying they would compromise national security.

"The Defense Department is not a jobs program," Mr. Panetta told lawmakers in June. "It's a program to defend the nation. But clearly, that kind of sequestration cut across the board would have a serious impact, not only on men and women in uniform but on our personnel and the contractors who serve the defense establishment."

And if 1 million jobs do fall from this the first person to be blamed will be George Bush.

331 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:56:52am

The era of the barbarian: Iran elected to top post at UN Arms Trade Treaty conference

Earlier this week, I warned Atlas readers of Obama's attack on the second amendment. Now this -- defund the UN, now. and oust Obama. That's our clarion call!!!

332 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:57:19am

re: #330 NJDhockeyfan

I thought spending cuts were good? I thought government expenditure was bad?

Or are you one of those "don't-tax-but-still-spend-because-the-deficit-doesn't-matter-unless-there's-a-democrat-in-the-white-house" Republicans?

333 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:57:30am

re: #328 sattv4u2

Jokes on you

I have no feet!

Jokes on you, I just wanted to expose your crack.

334 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:57:53am

re: #330 NJDhockeyfan

The National Association of Manufacturers said in a June 21 report that Pentagon spending cuts may lead to the loss of more than 1 million jobs, including 130,000 manufacturing jobs, by 2014.

But... I thought government can't create jobs? Heard it from the Tea Party myself.

I'm so confused.

335 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:59:01am

re: #334 freetoken

But... I thought government can't create jobs? Heard it from the Tea Party myself.

I'm so confused.

I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

/

336 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:59:05am

re: #327 b_sharp

You wear underwear on hot days?

Well, when the flamethrowers are involved, I figure it's better to be safe than sorry.

337 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:59:56am

Talking point conflict detected.
Execute subroutine : Commie.
"OBAMA IS A COMMIE!"
Conflict avoided.
Have a nice day.

338 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:00:53am

Funny how spending is bad when it involves social programs but let's flip our shit when our defense budget which is the highest bar none in the world is even considered being cut, the right acts like it's a catastrophe. If that doesn't show you that the "small government" rhetoric espoused by the right is dishonest at best then I can't help you.

339 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:01:59am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

It's a charade.

I myself am on here for the puns and the witty social repartee.

OK, the puns mostly.

340 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:02:11am

re: #330 NJDhockeyfan

You mean Change That We Believe In™?

Defense Firms Fear U.S. Budget Cuts

And if 1 million jobs do fall from this the first person to be blamed will be George Bush.

Nonsense.

"174 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted for it, while 66 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted against it"

341 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:03:31am

re: #336 thedopefishlives

Well, when the flamethrowers are involved, I figure it's better to be safe than sorry.

I guess better safe than sorry when urine trouble.

342 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:03:40am

re: #340 b_sharp

Nonsense.

Whoops.

343 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:04:10am

Agenda 21!

344 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:04:10am

re: #333 b_sharp

Jokes on you, I just wanted to expose your crack.

I had it puttied shut

345 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:04:41am

re: #344 sattv4u2

I had it puttied shut

Explains why you're always full of shit.
:P

346 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:04:46am

And yeah, I'm pissed. I'm sick of politicians who get elected bitching about "big government" then have no problem contributing to the growing size of government when it helps people who fund their campaigns but act like it's evil big government when the president suggests using the government to improve education or health care. Modern conservatism is a sham.

347 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:05:29am

re: #345 Varek Raith

Explains why you're always full of shit.
:P

Naahh

My mouth still spews (according to some here)

348 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:05:36am

re: #345 Varek Raith

Explains why you're always full of shit.
:P

KABOOM

349 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:08:59am

House GOP Opposes Democrats on Tax Cuts

As President Obama called on Congress today to extend tax cuts for taxpayers making less than $250,000, House Speaker John Boehner said he opposes extending only some tax cuts while letting others run out.


[...]

One word: Pavlov.

350 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:11:00am

re: #349 freetoken

House GOP Opposes Democrats on Tax Cuts

One word: Pavlov.

In other words tax cuts are only good when they help the wealthy contributors that Boehner and his party of greedy dicks rely on for support.

351 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:12:25am

re: #318 Romantic Heretic

One could also point out that with the bipolar nature of the post WWII period - US v. USSR - the fear of a direct confrontation between the two and an escalation to nuclear war, was a greater motivator towards peace than the UN. Instead, both the US and USSR used the UN as a proxy to fight their propaganda war.

Better to fight with propaganda than with actual bullets.

However, that's not to say that some parts of the UN haven't done great work. The WHO being one. UNICEF as another.

The work of the UN peacekeeping forces is decidedly mixed, depending on the way the peacekeeping resolution was structured and whether the UN could use force to maintain the peace and/or disarm the forces targeted by the mission.

With the current mission in Syria, it's only a bunch of UN observers whose movements are greatly limited by the regime and its loyalists. They can't use force to stop the violence - they can only catalog the butchers' bill. And Annan isn't going to be successful in dealing with Assad because Assad has no problem using force to crush the rebellion.

352 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:14:08am

re: #349 freetoken

House GOP Opposes Democrats on Tax Cuts

One word: Pavlov.

Boehner: THIS DEFICIT IS KILLING US

Obama: How about we eliminate the upper-income tax cuts?

Boehner: I AM OPPOSED TO RAISING TAXES

Obama: How about we stop spending quite so much money on weapons?

Boehner: REDUCING GOVERNMENT SPENDING WILL COST JOBS

Obama: How about we employ some extra teachers or firefighters?

Boehner: GOVERNMENT CANNOT CREATE JOBS

Obama: Ok, have it your way, how about we keep everything as-is?

Boehner: THE DEFICIT IS KILLING US

continues...

353 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:14:54am

re: #166 freetoken

WND isn't even pretending to hide their agenda anymore.

The latest headline in their "US" section, and being promoted by the top of page slideshow, is this hot-button crafted title: BLACK MOBS TERRORIZE 1 OF 'WHITEST BIG CITIES'

After 6 hours, it has collect 611 comments (still online) and it takes not much imagination to figure out what fills that comment section. For those who need some help, here is one comment:

This is what Joseph Farah is encouraging, it is what those who associate with him believe, and it is to these type that Mitt Romney and the current GOP has decided to bow, to get the "conservative" vote.

Wow. That comment thread is REALLY bad. Stormfront bad.

354 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:15:27am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

In other words tax cuts are only good when they help the wealthy contributors that Boehner and his party of greedy dicks rely on for support.

The Job Creators® Ѿ

355 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:17:01am

re: #352 iossarian

Boehner: THIS DEFICIT IS KILLING US

Obama: How about we eliminate the upper-income tax cuts?

Boehner: I AM OPPOSED TO RAISING TAXES

Obama: How about we stop spending quite so much money on weapons?

Boehner: REDUCING GOVERNMENT SPENDING WILL COST JOBS

Obama: How about we employ some extra teachers or firefighters?

Boehner: GOVERNMENT CANNOT CREATE JOBS

Obama: Ok, have it your way, how about we keep everything as-is?

Boehner: THE DEFICIT IS KILLING US

continues...

Forget tax-cuts anyway. Now, about those homosexuals...

356 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:17:37am

re: #354 b_sharp

The Job Creators® Ѿ

Yep, and any criticism of them means you're "jealous of their success" and "you must be a socialist." I'd rather be a socialist than someone who only stands for the interests of the very wealthy.

357 Kronocide  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:21:12am

re: #330 NJDhockeyfan

And if 1 million jobs do fall from this the first person to be blamed will be George Bush.

And if George Bush is blamed you will be there to defend him, warranted or not.

Partisanship We Can Believe In

358 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:24:02am

re: #352 iossarian

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

359 freetoken  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:26:34am

re: #353 Charles Johnson

Wow. That comment thread is REALLY bad. Stormfront bad.

No doubt the WND bookstore wants their business.

The author who wrote that article also did the one over there the other day I linked. He's cited by the usual racist outlets.

360 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:26:36am

Morning all!

It's a Monday Kitteh!

How are you?

361 Kronocide  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:26:53am

re: #353 Charles Johnson

Wow. That comment thread is REALLY bad. Stormfront bad.

WND EXCLUSIVE
Is the Antichrist building his nation even now?
Rise of Islamic Turkey triggers warnings of biblical prophecy

Recent Comment:

Barak Hussein Obama, matches all of your criteria

362 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:27:01am

re: #353 Charles Johnson

Wow. That comment thread is REALLY bad. Stormfront bad.

They are all bad. It is actually quite an eye opener to see how many paranoids there are there, willing to threaten violence at the slightest hint of the gummint doing anything at all.

363 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:27:44am

re: #357 Kronocide

And if George Bush is blamed you will be there to defend him, warranted or not.

Partisanship We Can Believe In

And for another view:

Military panic attack Defense contractors raising unnecessary alarm over budget cuts

Since 1998, U.S. military spending has grown exponentially, reaching 20 percent of overall federal spending and more than half of discretionary spending levels not seen since the end of World War II. In particular, the portion of the budget used to purchase equipment from private industry has doubled over the last 14 years, growing from about $100 billion in 1998 to nearly $200 billion today.

Since 1998, U.S. military spending has grown exponentially, reaching 20 percent of overall federal spending and more than half of discretionary spending levels not seen since the end of World War II. In particular, the portion of the budget used to purchase equipment from private industry has doubled over the last 14 years, growing from about $100 billion in 1998 to nearly $200 billion today.

Unsurprisingly, the defense industry has enjoyed remarkable prosperity during this time, with industry profits quadrupling between 2001 and 2010. But with a struggling economy and the conclusion of two wars, the United States can no longer afford to fund a massive defense buildup in the absence of an existential threat.

Every bipartisan group confronting the deficit problem – including the president’s Debt Commission (Simpson-Bowles), the Domenici-Rivlin Task Force, and the Gang of Six – has recommended reducing defense spending by about $1 trillion over the next decade. And the Budget Control Act (BCA), passed last summer, called for Congress to identify $1.2 trillion in cuts, revenue, or both to address this fiscal dilemma.

Continues.

364 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:28:23am

Why am I constantly reminded this election season of Marie Antionette?

"let them eat cake"

365 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:30:11am

Let's take a break from politics and look at this new picture released by NASA taken by the Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity. It's stunningly beautiful.

This full-circle scene combines 817 images taken by the panoramic camera (Pancam) on NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity. It shows the terrain that surrounded the rover while it was stationary for four months of work during its most recent Martian winter.

366 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:30:31am

I for one am shocked, shocked I tell you that the people who would lose the most financially are the ones screaming loudest against any defense cuts.

367 Mattand  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:31:03am

re: #353 Charles Johnson

Wow. That comment thread is REALLY bad. Stormfront bad.

Well, we have CheeseandRice who calls Michelle Obama a "silver-back" and Greg, who left a pithy one-word comment: "baboons".

Your fellow conservative Americans, everyone. I'm going to walk the dog now. Ugh.

368 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:31:16am

re: #360 ggt

Morning all!

It's a Monday Kitteh!

How are you?

My daughter would go crazy if she had the opportunity to hold one of those. She is all about tigers.

369 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:32:31am

re: #339 iossarian

It's a charade.

I myself am on here for the puns and the witty social repartee.

OK, the puns mostly.

Good, because 'social repartee' sounds French to me.

370 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:32:36am

re: #368 NJDhockeyfan

My daughter would go crazy if she had the opportunity to hold one of those. She is all about tigers.

Very kool animals. Amazingly HUGE when full grown.

Very

cute as cubs.

371 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:32:54am

Nato prepared to hunt Taliban fighters who executed woman for adultery

Nato troops were prepared to join a manhunt for the Taliban fighters who publicly executed a young woman for adultery in an incident that has drawn worldwide condemnation.
...
Troops and police had been sent to the area, the governor of Parwan said, but the killers had escaped, perhaps by wearing women's burkas.

372 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:34:21am

My neighbor has a new puppy. 8 weeks old GSD-Lab mix.

Very, Very cute and currently docile. They've never had an "inside" dog before. I just smiled when they told me that.

373 Kronocide  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:37:46am

Massive Passive Aggressive antagonism:

1. Blame Obama
2. Obama points out Bush's contribution to problem
3. Hammer Obama for 'always blaming Bush'

AKA: having your tea and drinking it too

374 iossarian  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:37:49am

bbl

375 Mattand  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:37:51am

re: #372 ggt

My neighbor has a new puppy. 8 weeks old GSD-Lab mix.

Very, Very cute and currently docile. They've never had an "inside" dog before. I just smiled when they told me that.

Friends of ours got a lab a few years back. He's big, even for a lab. If he were human, he would be playing offensive tackle.

The corker is they settled on a lab because, even though they love our boxer, they didn't want to get a boxer because that's too big of a breed.

It gets brought up often.

376 Lidane  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:38:36am

re: #4 Kragar

For people who say they love the Constitution so much, they sure don't have a fucking clue as to what it actually says.

There's no such thing as separation of church and state!

The gubmint doesn't have the right to control my Medicare!

Eleventy!

377 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:39:30am

re: #373 Kronocide

Massive Passive Aggressive antagonism:

1. Blame Obama
2. Obama points out Bush's contribution to problem
3. Hammer Obama for 'always blaming Bush'

AKA: having your tea and drinking it too

"Thank goodness for the Bush tax cuts!"

"We need to let the Bush tax cuts expire for those making over 250,000 per year."

"Why must you always blame Bush?"

378 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:39:39am

Saudi man dies after chase by religious police

JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia, July 9 (Reuters) - A Saudi man was killed and his wife and two children were injured when their car crashed off a bridge while being pursued by religious police in the conservative Islamic kingdom, a spokesman for the religious police said on Monday.

In Saudi Arabia, a monarchy that follows a strict version of Sunni Islam, the religious police patrol the streets to enforce gender segregation and ensure the public behave in accordance with their strict Islamic teachings.

Formally known as the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (CPVPV), religious police officers arrest those who do not comply with their rules. In March the commission's head banned car pursuits which had led to several fatal accidents.

Family members told Saudi Arabia's al-Watan newspaper that the chase began when a CPVPV officer confronted Abdulrahman Ahmed al-Ghamdi, 35, and his family while he was returning home from an amusement park in the southern province of al-Baha. They said the loud volume of Ghamdi's car radio prompted the confrontation.

The car sped off, police in pursuit, and crashed over a bridge, killing Ghamdi. His nine year-old son is in a coma and his wife had her arm amputated as a result of the accident, al-Watan reported. His younger daughter, 4, was in stable condition in hospital.

379 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:41:44am

Don't forget that any proposed tax increase on the wealthy means you're jealous of them and is "punishing" success. Brought to you by the same people who use the bully pulpit to bash anyone who isn't rich.

380 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:41:45am

re: #375 Mattand

Friends of ours got a lab a few years back. He's big, even for a lab. If he were human, he would be playing offensive tackle.

The corker is they settled on a lab because, even though they love our boxer, they didn't want to get a boxer because that's too big of a breed.

It gets brought up often.

Well, Lab puppies don't jump as much as Boxer Puppies.

381 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:41:46am

re: #373 Kronocide

Massive Passive Aggressive antagonism:

1. Blame Obama
2. Obama points out Bush's contribution to problem
3. Hammer Obama for 'always blaming Bush'

AKA: having your tea and drinking it too

1. Gut the Defense Dept
2. As a result lose 1 million jobs
3. Blame GWB

AKA: It's somebody else's fault

382 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:42:46am

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

1. Gut the Defense Dept
2. As a result lose 1 million jobs
3. Blame GWB

AKA: It's somebody else's fault

Gut the defense department from what? Iraq War and GWOT levels? You propose we keep building battleships from WWII?

383 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:43:04am

Anybody seen this.

I don't even know how what to google to find the source document.

384 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:43:32am

re: #383 ggt

Just posted the story.

385 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:43:47am

And who in the world is blaming Bush for the Budget Control Act?

386 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:44:59am

Defense budgets always go up and down depending on conflicts. However, defense budgets remain on an upward trajectory.

387 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:45:11am

re: #382 Gus

Gut the defense department from what? Iraq War and GWOT levels? You propose we keep building battleships from WWII?

Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, etc...are all building up their military while we are shrinking ours. What could possibly go wrong?

388 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:46:04am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, etc...are all building up their military while we are shrinking ours. What could possibly go wrong?

We're miles ahead of them even with cuts.

389 Gus  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:46:14am

This is boring. Bye.

390 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:46:22am

re: #384 Charles Johnson

Just posted the story.

GMTA!

391 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:46:34am

re: #388 Gus

We're miles ahead of them even with cuts.

No shit.

392 Kronocide  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:47:09am

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

1. Gut the Defense Dept
2. As a result lose 1 million jobs
3. Blame GWB

AKA: It's somebody else's fault

1. Blame Obama
2. Blame Obama
3. Blame Obama, even before he's done anything

Got it.

393 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:47:50am

re: #392 Kronocide

1. Blame Obama
2. Blame Obama
3. Blame Obama, even before he's done anything

Got it.

Betelgeuse!
Betelgeuse!
Betelgeuse!

394 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:47:57am

Oh come on,no one proposed gutting defense. We need skilled workers doing things besides building stuff for war,there are openings in every state for skilled tradespeople for everything from welding to electrical,plumbing,electronics,you name it. Employers here in GA are having trouble filling those jobs. I know because my son is going to end up filling one of those jobs once he gets into trade school.

The answer isn't to keep throwing resources into stuff we simply do not need.

395 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:48:27am

re: #394 A Mom Anon

Oh come on,no one proposed gutting defense. We need skilled workers doing things besides building stuff for war,there are openings in every state for skilled tradespeople for everything from welding to electrical,plumbing,electronics,you name it. Employers here in GA are having trouble filling those jobs. I know because my son is going to end up filling one of those jobs once he gets into trade school.

The answer isn't to keep throwing resources into stuff we simply do not need.

Mike Rowe Jobs?

396 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:49:54am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, etc...are all building up their military while we are shrinking ours. What could possibly go wrong?

We could cut ours in fucking half and STILL be outspending all of them. Why are our defense contractors charging us so fucking much for shit that doesn't work? Who keeps funneling more money towards shit that doesn't work?

397 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:50:33am

It's funny. Government spending on health care, education, etc is bad but spending like a drunk new 21 year old on defense is good policy. One can't in good faith complain about spending while ignoring and in some cases feeding the largest elephant in the room.I don't support dramatically cutting DoD but some cuts are needed. The generals themselves agree with that.

398 Lidane  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:52:03am

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

The defense department can afford to be gutted, or at least downsized. We spend a fuckton on defense and on weapons and on war, and a large part of that comes from bloated, obsolete projects that the Pentagon doesn't even want.

399 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:52:40am

re: #396 RayFerd

We could cut ours in fucking half and STILL be outspending all of them. Why are our defense contractors charging us so fucking much for shit that doesn't work? Who keeps funneling more money towards shit that doesn't work?

I think the problem is that there is a lot of *foreign aid* and other things hidden in the defense budget. Like the JROTC programs and ROTC programs --that includes the personnel, equipment and uniforms for the students.

Still, I agree, there is a lot that could go -future wars aren't going to need the equipment, they are going to need savvy computer users and multi-lingual soldiers.

400 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:53:43am

re: #394 A Mom Anon

Oh come on,no one proposed gutting defense. We need skilled workers doing things besides building stuff for war,there are openings in every state for skilled tradespeople for everything from welding to electrical,plumbing,electronics,you name it. Employers here in GA are having trouble filling those jobs. I know because my son is going to end up filling one of those jobs once he gets into trade school.

The answer isn't to keep throwing resources into stuff we simply do not need.

We do need skilled workers but if the defense contractors have to keep downsizing because cuts there will be far fewer jobs available.

401 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:54:21am

re: #395 ggt

Yep. In fact he's partnered with our dept of labor to help with the website Go Build Georgia to explain why these are the jobs our kids could fill without huge piles of debt coming out of school. Since my son has a disability,the state has a program that will help prep him (help with getting a driver's license,getting his high school diploma,job interview skills,helping with trade school tuition,etc) and his voc rehab caseworker told us about the website. But yes,those "Dirty Jobs" are key to keeping the country from crumbling,and to get our kids into something if a 4 yr degree isn't for them.

402 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 10:57:37am

Transgender Woman Attacked, Sentenced to Male Prison

A transgender woman was recently sentenced to a 41-month prison term in a men's prison for acting in what many are calling self-defense in response to a hate crime. Cece McDonald, a young, black, transgender woman was arrested in Minnesota last June for stabbing and killing a white man who was part of a group that physically attacked her while yelling racial and homophobic slurs.

McDonald accepted a plea deal and pled guilty to second-degree manslaughter last month and will be incarcerated in the Minnesota state prison as a male. The court's decision to do so has brought to light the physical and sexual violence that transgender people experience within the prison system.

It's still morning in my world. Help me out.

Transgender --has had surgery?--no?

403 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 11:00:39am

re:

404 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 11:01:18am

re: #402 ggt

Transgender Woman Attacked, Sentenced to Male Prison

It's still morning in my world. Help me out.

Transgender --has had surgery?--no?

Depends on the stage. Not all changes happen at one time.

405 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 11:01:56am

re: #401 A Mom Anon

Yep. In fact he's partnered with our dept of labor to help with the website Go Build Georgia to explain why these are the jobs our kids could fill without huge piles of debt coming out of school. Since my son has a disability,the state has a program that will help prep him (help with getting a driver's license,getting his high school diploma,job interview skills,helping with trade school tuition,etc) and his voc rehab caseworker told us about the website. But yes,those "Dirty Jobs" are key to keeping the country from crumbling,and to get our kids into something if a 4 yr degree isn't for them.

Both my parents are first generation 4-year college graduates. Before them everyone was a skilled worker --very skilled. The kind of brains that when given the opportunity become engineers (my dad) and get their masters, & pass the series-7 (mom).

I would have been happier taking the technical degree route. But, of course, the american dream dictates that if given the opportunity, one goes for a Bachelors degree. I never finished.

My only concern is that many don't have basic understanding of business--and I think this holds people back. I think there would be many more small businesses if people even took a few classes at their local community college. Accounging 101 . . .even quickbooks.

406 Mattand  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 11:39:19am

re: #380 ggt

Well, Lab puppies don't jump as much as Boxer Puppies.

True. At least relative to Oscar, boxer puppies don't blot out the sun when they stretch.


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