Right Wing Media and Blogs Hype Ridiculous Phony Survey: 83% of Doctors Want to Quit Over Obamacare

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Here’s a case study in why the right wing should not be trusted, in anything they say or try to do, because they simply lie and make things up.

The Daily Caller is hyping a survey by the “non-partisan” Doctor Patient Medical Association that says: Report: 83 Percent of Doctors Have Considered Quitting Over Obamacare.

Eighty-three percent of American physicians have considered leaving their practices over President Barack Obama’s health care reform law, according to a survey released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association.

The DPMA, a non-partisan association of doctors and patients,�surveyed a random selection of 699 doctors nationwide. The survey found that the majority have thought about bailing out of their careers over the legislation, which was upheld last month by the Supreme Court.

Eighty-three percent? How can that kind of number possibly be true?

Answer: it isn’t. This is the worst kind of deceptive wingnut bullshit, the sort of propaganda they pump out day after day, eagerly gobbled up and parroted by a corrupt right wing blogosphere.

Steve M. at “No More Mister Nice Blog” took this one apart; the “Doctor Patient Medical Association” is a Tea Party group, connected to the crackpot libertarian organization called the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, and a member of the far right ALEC. Here are some of our previous posts featuring the AAPS and their outright lunacy:

Racist Doctor Connected to Ron Paul
Group Promoting Angle Event: AIDS Deniers, Birthers, Conspiracy Theorists
Rand Paul a Member of AIDS-Denying Conspiracy Theory Group

LGF reader Kirk Spencer points out that even if the Doctor Patient Medical Association were not connected to the Tea Party and libertarian whack-jobs, their survey is a joke:

Rather than hammer on credentials and inferentials, look at the actual survey.

A whopping 4.3% response rate of a survey successfully sent to approximately 6.4% of total active primary care doctors (less of primary care physicians) in the US means the results are NOT indicative of the population. 0.24% is statistically unrepresentative.

(4.3% comes from the survey results. Survey report says 16,227 surveys were successfully sent. According to the AAMC there are 254,217 active primary care MDs and 279,719 active primary care physicians in the US. 669/279719= 0.00239, or ~0.24%)

It’s a pile of dishonest, deliberately deceptive rubbish, intended to hoodwink the gullible by appearing as a reasonable “non-partisan” study. This kind of stuff is why I ran away from the right wing as fast as my legs would carry me.

Also see
Comically Awful Survey Says 83 Percent of Doctors Might Quit Over Obamacare.

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311 comments
1 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:50:00am

Your very criticism of this fine survey instrument can only mean that you are objectively anti-doctor and anti-life.

2 iossarian  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:50:44am

Presumably the survey was presented in such a way that the only people who would bother to respond are those who fit the desired segment of the political spectrum.

Oldest trick in the book.

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:51:50am

Most doctors are locked in by their med school debt. They haven't got any other way to pay off what is, essentially, a mortgage on their careers.

4 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:52:03am

Recap:

Doctor Patient Medical Association

The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA) work to repeal health care reform[1] and call themselves a "a nonpartisan association of doctors and patients dedicated to preserving free choice in medicine."[2] The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation[3] and the "American Grassroots Coalition."[4]

Ties to the ALEC

The DPMA is a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). DPMA Chair and Co-Founder, Kathryn Serkes, is on ALEC's Health and Human Services Task Force.[5]

5 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:52:22am

This is what desperation looks like.

6 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:53:04am
Right Wing Media and Blogs Hype Ridiculous Phony Survey

Wait, so NJD and satt count as right wing media now?

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7 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:53:22am

re: #2 iossarian

Presumably the survey was presented in such a way that the only people who would bother to respond are those who fit the desired segment of the political spectrum.

Oldest trick in the book.

Create a group of like minded people, ask them a question, then announce the result as a percentage. Routine pollster gimmick.

8 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:54:21am

Also against the HPV vaccine:

HPV Vaccine Effort Encounters Strong Opposition

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) assembled an ad hoc coalition of national and state leaders supporting parents' right to direct their children's medical care.

"The AAPS led in forming the Hands Off Our Kids coalition because parents were being ignored in the adoption process of these mandates around the country," said Kathryn Serkes, AAPS's director of policy and public affairs.

9 abolitionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:54:24am

I suppose I owe NJDhockeyfan an upding after all.

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:54:38am

Before you know it the rwnjs will actually take credit for ACA if it is successful and popular ala Mitt taking credit for Detroit's recovery.

11 iossarian  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:55:16am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Before you know it the rwnjs will actually take credit for ACA if it is successful and popular ala Mitt taking credit for Detroit's recovery.

"Democrats want to take away your Medicare".

Fucking hypocritical scumbags.

12 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:55:23am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

This is what desperation looks like.

Pretty much. They bet the bank on SCOTUS junking the law and lost. Now they're trying to act against the prevailing public attitude, which is "It's over, let's move on" and convince folks that they can magically change the nature of the universe come November.

13 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:55:37am

re: #6 wrenchwench

Wait, so NJD and satt count as right wing media now?

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To be honest, if you don't like ACA/Obamacare, fine. It's just that if you're going to criticize it, make sure the poll you cite is on the up-and-up.

14 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:55:50am

AFA proposes Google Boycott over marriage equality stance

lulz ensue.

15 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:56:37am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Before you know it the rwnjs will actually take credit for ACA if it is successful and popular ala Mitt taking credit for Detroit's recovery.

Or the various Republicans mugging for the cameras while taking credit for the Recovery Act.

16 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:56:40am

The founder again. Even from their own website:

Kathryn Serkes

She is founder and chair of the “Coalition Against Prosecutorial Abuse” to rein in government trial lawyers – the criminal companion to civil tort reform; “Hands Off Our Kids Coalition” to halt government pediatric vaccine mandates and other government violation of parental rights, and sits on the Board of GOProud.

She's an anti-vaxxer in my book.

17 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:56:51am

re: #11 iossarian

"Democrats want to take away your Medicare".

Fucking hypocritical scumbags.

No kidding.

18 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:57:39am

re: #16 Gus

The founder again. Even from their own website:

Kathryn Serkes

She's an anti-vaxxer in my book.

Hands Off Our Kids | Heartland Institute

The new "Hands Off Our Kids" coalition organized by AAPS sent a letter to Gov. Perry urging him to rescind the Order, return vaccine policy to elected representatives, and allocate no taxpayer funds toward the HPV vaccine or make full disclosure of all financial interests, meetings, and negotiations that led up to the Order. The more than 60 signatories included the American Academy of Environmental Medicine; Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX); former Rep. Bob Barr; 16 Texas physicians; a number of parents and grandparents; and a broad coalition of advocacy groups.

19 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:58:04am

Quacks. Right wing quacks and crackpots. What survey?

20 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:58:11am

re: #6 wrenchwench

Wait, so NJD and satt count as right wing media now?

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Someone owes me a LOT of money!!!
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21 nines09  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:58:24am

re: #14 Kragar

AFA proposes Google Boycott over marriage equality stance

lulz ensue.

I was waiting for that. The popping noise is tiny little heads going off.

22 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:58:33am

re: #18 Gus

Hands Off Our Kids | Heartland Institute

Anyone who works against kids getting vaccinated is a downright evil son of a bitch.

23 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:58:37am

re: #12 Targetpractice

Pretty much. They bet the bank on SCOTUS junking the law and lost. Now they're trying to act against the prevailing public attitude, which is "It's over, let's move on" and convince folks that they can magically change the nature of the universe come November.

That smell is the egg on Mitt Romney's face. You can tell he was betting the bank that it would be overturned. From what I've been seeing and hearing, he's been on the defensive ever since.

24 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 10:59:40am

re: #22 Kragar

Anyone who works against kids getting vaccinated is a downright evil son of a bitch.

Or daughter thereof.

25 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:00:04am

re: #14 Kragar

AFA proposes Google Boycott over marriage equality stance

lulz ensue.

Is there anyway to Google bomb AFA so that when you search "stupid boycott", their homepage comes up?

26 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:00:07am

I'm also wondering why the teabag House of Representatives is voting to repeal ACA, since I believe they already had such a vote.

27 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:00:08am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

That smell is the egg on Mitt Romney's face. You can tell he was betting the bank that it would be overturned. From what I've been seeing and hearing, he's been on the defensive ever since.

What I've seen is he's trying desperately to act as though it's not an issue, even after giving his little speech on the day of the ruling and making a lot of fuss about the "tax" in the first days after.

The GOP really found themselves a winner, huh?

28 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:00:15am

Associated with...

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a small group of "conservative" quacks, cranks and fundamentalist zealots which likes to rail against such timeless evils as abortion, vaccination and the idea of universal health care coverage.[1]

Its website offers this ridiculous claim:

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a non-partisan professional association of physicians in all types of practices and specialties across the country. Since 1943, AAPS has been dedicated to the highest ethical standards of the Oath of Hippocrates and to preserving the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship and the practice of private medicine. Our motto, "omnia pro aegroto" means "all for the patient."[2]

It is listed as a quack organization by Quackwatch[3] and is sufficiently batshit insane to have retained Andrew Schlafly as its general counsel.

29 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:00:16am

re: #8 Gus

And the HPV vaccine apparently gives herd immunity against getting cervical cancer and genital warts because those who get the vaccine are helping those who haven't by reducing the viral load that anyone can come in contact with.

The human papillomavirus vaccine provides a benefit to women even if they are not vaccinated, via a phenomenon known as herd immunity, a new study suggests.

Among the women in the study, there was a decrease in the percentage who were infected with the four HPV strains included in the vaccine (HPV 6, 11, 16, and 18) in the years after the vaccine was introduced, compared with earlier years.

This decrease in HPV prevalence was seen among both vaccinated and unvaccinated women, the researchers said.

The findings show that even with relatively low rates of women getting vaccinated, the vaccine produces some degree of herd immunity — protection of unvaccinated people that occurs because a critical portion of the population has been innoculated.

However, while the findings are encouraging, "This is not reason not to get vaccinated," said study researcher Dr. Jessica Kahn, a physician of adolescent medicine at Cincinnati Children's Hospital. Kahn noted that one in four unvaccinated participants in the study were infected with a high-risk strain of HPV. A woman can also protect her partner by getting vaccinated, Kahn said.

30 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:00:26am

The worst thing the anti-vaxxers do in my eyes is spread the lie that vaccines cause autism. As someone on the spectrum, I can't tell you how much that angers me since it's an attempt by people who know shit little about medicine to scare people into not trusting people who in fact know lots about medicine.

31 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:01:29am

re: #26 Bulworth

I'm also wondering why the teabag House of Representatives is voting to repeal ACA, since I believe they already had such a vote.

They're hoping for a repeat of '10, holding the vote so as to get vulnerable Democrats on record as either support "the biggest tax increase in history" or "being totally opposed to the party leadership (i.e. Obama)."

32 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:01:39am
Our motto, "omnia pro aegroto" means "all for the patient."[2]

Except anything that might result in patients being guaranteed access to health care and health insurance. /

33 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:01:41am

re: #29 lawhawk

And the HPV vaccine apparently gives herd immunity against getting cervical cancer and genital warts because those who get the vaccine are helping those who haven't by reducing the viral load that anyone can come in contact with.

...

My daughter ain't a member of no herd!!!1!

34 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:02:00am

re: #26 Bulworth

I'm also wondering why the teabag House of Representatives is voting to repeal ACA, since I believe they already had such a vote.

It's an election year. They'll probably do it a couple times this summer.

35 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:02:35am

Here she is again...

CONTACT: Kathryn Serkes

March 2, 2006
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Medical Journal: Autism Rates Decline as Mercury Removed from Childhood Vaccines

Independent Analysis Refutes Institute of Medicine Claims of “No Relationship,” While Mercury Still Used in Flu & Other Vaccines

TUCSON, AZ -- A new study shows that autism may be linked after all to the use of mercury in childhood vaccines, despite government’s previous claims to the contrary.

36 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:02:36am

Barton: Government Regulation is the 'Most Dangerous Attack ... on our Liberties Since the British'

On yesterday's installment of "WallBuilders Live," David Barton and Rick Green complained that government regulation was destroying the free market system ... not too much government regulation, mind you, but any government regulation.

In fact, Barton declared that the mere existence of federal regulatory agencies represent "the most dangerous attack on our liberties since the British" while Green explained that there was no need for federal agencies to prevent companies from dumping toxic waste because the truly free market will hold them accountable when they get sued:

37 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:03:10am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

The worst thing the anti-vaxxers do in my eyes is spread the lie that vaccines cause autism. As someone on the spectrum, I can't tell you how much that angers me since it's an attempt by people who know shit little about medicine to scare people into not trusting people who in fact know lots about medicine.

A good blog to read is Respectful Insolence, written by David Gorski, aka Orac. He's been on the frontlines of the antivax stuff for a while.

38 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:03:12am

Not just against the HPV vaccine.

39 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:03:14am

re: #34 Killgore Trout

It's an election year. They'll probably do it a couple times this summer.

And then bitch and whine when it dies in the Senate, again and again.

40 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:04:12am

What a joke.

41 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:04:56am

re: #36 Kragar

Barton: Government Regulation is the 'Most Dangerous Attack ... on our Liberties Since the British'

Yeah regulation is much worse than legalized slavery, lynchings, etc. By the way, we had no problem being with the British for much of our time as a colony. Who knows if the British had let Americans represent our interests in parliament who knows what would have happened.

42 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:05:21am
no need for federal agencies to prevent companies from dumping toxic waste because the truly free market will hold them accountable when they get sued:

What would be a person's basis be to sue a polluter if there was no law that was being broken in the course of polluting?

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:05:25am

re: #37 Mattand

A good blog to read is Respectful Insolence, written by David Gorski, aka Orac. He's been on the frontlines of the antivax stuff for a while.

Cool, I'll check that out.

44 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:05:53am

re: #39 Targetpractice

And then bitch and whine when it dies in the Senate, again and again.

Probably. Same with Obama pushing tax hikes on the rich. It ain't going anywhere but it's part of the political game.

45 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:05:58am

Ah well

Son just called. Seems as if he's heading home with 4 friends

4 HUNGRY friends, I'm assuming

Off to the grocery store (I better take the BIG truck!!)

46 allegro  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:06:02am

re: #42 Bulworth

What would be a person's basis be to sue a polluter if there was no law that was being broken in the course of polluting?

Wrongful death.

47 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:06:24am

Science!

Serkes promise that the JP&S will feature less political commentary in favor of more articles of a scientific nature, particularly if they are relevant to contemporary policy debates. For example, the lead article in this issue establishes the link between mercury in childhood vaccines and autism.

"The science speaks for itself," concluded Serkes.

48 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:06:46am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Probably. Same with Obama pushing tax hikes on the rich. It ain't going anywhere but it's part of the political game.

BINGO

YAHTZEE

MONOPOLY!!!

(they all take on different meanings when applied to politics, huh!!)

49 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:07:10am

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50 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:07:18am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Probably. Same with Obama pushing tax hikes on the rich. It ain't going anywhere but it's part of the political game.

It'll have to go somewhere, because last thing he can afford right now is to further piss off his base by giving the GOP another extension.

51 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:07:25am

re: #42 Bulworth

What would be a person's basis be to sue a polluter if there was no law that was being broken in the course of polluting?

See, that's when Barton and like minded individuals complain about "frivolous law suits" and "greedy trial lawyers." It's a cycle.
1. Weaken the environment through gutting regulations
2. ??/??
3. Profit

53 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:08:25am

re: #42 Bulworth

What would be a person's basis be to sue a polluter if there was no law that was being broken in the course of polluting?

Because shut up, thats why.

54 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:08:55am

Update:Terror suspects allegedly planned to attack EDL

A suspected terror group allegedly planned to attack an English Defence League march with a pipe bomb, guns and machetes, a court heard.

55 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:08:58am

re: #29 lawhawk

And the HPV vaccine apparently gives herd immunity against getting cervical cancer and genital warts because those who get the vaccine are helping those who haven't by reducing the viral load that anyone can come in contact with.

I stopped listening to Bill Maher for a while, after he started ratcheting up his anti-vax mode. He's one of those who thinks vaccines in general are a scam, and that you can boost your immune system solely through nutrition.

Maher likes to claim he never gets sick, but I think what's actually protecting him in part is herd immunity. Everyone else is picking up the slack for him.

Here's the twist: he's actually pro HPV vaccine. It's probably because so many Bible thumpers are against it because they think it promotes promiscuity.

If the religious were against the regular flu vaccine, he'd be championing it left and right.

57 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:09:24am

re: #42 Bulworth

What would be a person's basis be to sue a polluter if there was no law that was being broken in the course of polluting?

These are nimrods who remain convinced that, should the Feds stop regulating and prosecuting, the states will step in and do it in their place.

Which is about as believable at Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

58 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:09:36am

re: #49 Varek Raith

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Youtube Video
59 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:10:02am

re: #26 Bulworth

They're on to attempt 31 to repeal the PPACA. All symbolic votes, since they couldn't override the President's veto.

60 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:11:36am

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Update:Terror suspects allegedly planned to attack EDL

Pam sez.....

The target was a rally for freedom. Think about that. Imagine if an IED went off at one of our ground zero mosque protests.

The Muslims had planned to use guns, knives, machetes and a home-made explosive device in their surprise ambush on the EDL rally.

Tommy Robinson called me with the grave news that Scotland Yard had advised him that he was one of the intended targets for assassination in the Taliban-style bombing. I have seen nothing in the media on this world-shifting news story. Is this not an Archduke Ferdinand moment? Muslims in Western countries are now targeting for assassination those who stand in defense of freedom. This is the clarion cry for a bloody civil war.

61 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:11:48am

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Update:Terror suspects allegedly planned to attack EDL

We could wipe out some countries debts if they would do a Pay Per View event Clash of the Extremists!!

In this corner,, we have the al-Qaeda Bombers, and in this corner we have the EDL Batsmen!

62 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:13:00am

re: #60 Killgore Trout

The Muslims had planned to use guns, knives, machetes and a home-made explosive device in their surprise ambush on the EDL rally

I'm sure the EDL would be there armed with nothing but flowers and cookies!!

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:14:17am

The poor widdle EDL. Fucking fascist fucks.

64 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:14:29am

re: #60 Killgore Trout

And here's an update on the Cordoba House/Park51/Mega Mosque construction progress.

There has been no progress. They haven't raised the money needed; they haven't reached a deal with Con Ed on the leases/payments on the adjacent property that they would need to build upon. And as far as I can tell, the building permits haven't been pulled.

It's gone no where - and the SIOA/Geller clan have absolutely nothing to do with any of it. The backers of the planned center haven't gotten the funds to do anything with the site, which is still outside of Ground Zero and which is now fully in the shadow of the rising 1WTC (which is clear of 1,200+ feet) and rising.

65 iossarian  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:15:04am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Probably. Same with Obama pushing tax hikes on the rich. It ain't going anywhere but it's part of the political game.

Let's imagine a compromise position.

Currently, Obama wants the middle-class cuts preserved, and the cuts over $250K to expire.

The GOP wants all the cuts preserved (actually they want the upper income cuts preserved and the middle-class cuts to expire, but even they aren't stupid enough to admit to this in public).

So here's the compromise: preserve the middle-class cuts, and reduce the upper-income cuts by 50%. So move the upper-income rate up by 50% of what Obama wants.

Now here's the question: which of Obama and the GOP, do you think, would be more likely to accept the compromise position?

Obama wants to govern. The GOP just wants to oppose Obama. Big difference.

66 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:15:20am

re: #62 sattv4u2


The Muslims had planned to use guns, knives, machetes and a home-made explosive device in their surprise ambush on the EDL rally

I'm sure the EDL would be there armed with nothing but flowers and cookies!!

Probably not much more than sticks and rocks. I have no love for the EDL but a lot of them could have been killed. .

67 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:16:05am

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Pam sez...

Well, at least she wasn't overly dramatic about it.

I have seen nothing in the media on this world-shifting news story. Is this not an Archduke Ferdinand moment? Muslims in Western countries are now targeting for assassination those who stand in defense of freedom. This is the clarion cry for a bloody civil war.

Never mind.

68 iossarian  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:16:11am

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Probably not much more than sticks and rocks. I have no love for the EDL but a lot of them could have been killed. .

The EDL gets the protection of a pluralistic society too, as little as they deserve it.

69 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:16:57am

re: #65 iossarian

Now here's the question: which of Obama and the GOP, do you think, would be more likely to accept the compromise position?

Obama wants to govern. The GOP just wants to oppose Obama. Big difference.

Agreed. I don't think the GOP would accept a reasonable comprimise if it was offered.

70 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:17:56am

OUT!

71 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:18:33am

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Probably not much more than sticks and rocks. I have no love for the EDL but a lot of them could have been killed. .

Senseless violence is senseless violence, regardless of who's on the receiving end. We've got enough of it in the world as it is.

73 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:19:50am

re: #65 iossarian

Let's imagine a compromise position.

Currently, Obama wants the middle-class cuts preserved, and the cuts over $250K to expire.

The GOP wants all the cuts preserved (actually they want the upper income cuts preserved and the middle-class cuts to expire, but even they aren't stupid enough to admit to this in public).

So here's the compromise: preserve the middle-class cuts, and reduce the upper-income cuts by 50%. So move the upper-income rate up by 50% of what Obama wants.

Now here's the question: which of Obama and the GOP, do you think, would be more likely to accept the compromise position?

Obama wants to govern. The GOP just wants to oppose Obama. Big difference.

This is why I feel bad for Obama. He could offer hypothetical compromise and it still wouldn't be enough for Boehner and McConnell because tax cuts for the wealthy above all else is their mantra. It sucks really. Obama should if they don't compromise take his argument to the American people. Put the Congressional Republicans on the defensive and make them explain why they favor cutting taxes for a small fraction of the population at the expense of most Americans.

74 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:20:06am

re: #65 iossarian

Compromise? What have you been smoking, and can I have some?! ;)

Heck, that would be the path to getting some real progress on tax simplification, closing loopholes, and addressing the structural and functional debt as well as provide revenue for existing programs (such as DoD, DHS, etc., or infrastructure if you prefer).

Keeping the income brackets at current levels through $250k and increasing the level to 37.5% (rather than 39.6%) would be a compromise that in other eras would be hailed as a breakthrough deal. Instead, this is winner take all and compromise is a sign of weakness.

75 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:20:40am

re: #71 Mattand

Senseless violence is senseless violence, regardless of who's on the receiving end. We've got enough of it in the world as it is.

Agreed. These groups feed off each other. This planned attack only serves to bolster the EDL and validate their own radicalism.

76 iossarian  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:21:24am

re: #74 lawhawk

Instead, this is winner take all and compromise is a sign of weakness.

For the GOP and their imbecile supporters, yes.

77 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:22:34am

re: #72 Kragar

NRA-Backed Group Scams Chicago Taxpayers Into Buying Ammo, Bolt-Action Rifles For Children

Like I need another reason to despise the NRA. If I were a gunowner, I'd be pissed at their shenanigans.

78 slamhole  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:23:04am

This same phony survey was on Breitbart last week and when I pointed out that this was a Tea Party political group connected with ALEC and not a medical group the woman who heads the Dr. Patient thingamajig responded and said they were non partisan. Of course I was attacked by the other commenters for only believing in surveys I agree with.

Lamebrains

79 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:23:22am

Remember "JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!"?

That was a great joke.

Florida Allows Schools To Offer ‘Inspirational Messages’

Lawmakers in Louisiana may be pushing for greater ties between religious teaching and public-financed schooling, but Florida has opted for its own tack in introducing religion back into public education. This month, the state implemented SB 98, which allows students to read and recite “inspirational message[s]” at all non-compulsory school events, including graduations, assemblies and sports events. Teachers and school officials remain barred from any form of proselytizing - but, according to the new law, they can neither interfere nor direct the students’ speech.

The bill was signed into law by Gov. Rick Scott last March, and was passed by overwhelming margins in each chamber of the state legislature. Both House and Senate sponsors of the bill — one Democrat, one Republican — cited protecting students’ First Amendment rights as impetus for the bill.

While the state permits the study of religious literature in secular, objective instruction, and while the word “prayer” was ultimately struck from the bill’s final language, many see an obvious connection between the new law and the likelihood of proselytizing.

80 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:24:38am

I understand doctors know about plumbing. Perhaps they will become plumbers at $50 per hour.

Then there are talk show hosts. Is O'Reilly still going to quit too, if his taxes increase?

81 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:25:04am

A bunch of wingnut blogs are chattering that MO Democrat MD Rabi Alam is a 9/11 conspiracy troofer, but I haven't been able to find any reliable verification, it could just be a smear attempt.

82 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:25:19am

Since we're OT...

Drones Are the New Black Helicopters

83 Big Steve  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:26:00am

% of Big Steve's that have threatened to quit their jobs = 100%

84 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:26:27am

re: #81 Learned Mother of Zion

A bunch of wingnut blogs are chattering that MO Democrat MD Rabi Alam is a 9/11 conspiracy troofer, but I haven't been able to find any reliable verification, it could just be a smear attempt.

Damn. That website. My eyes hurt now.

85 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:27:44am

re: #84 Gus

Damn. That website. My eyes hurt now.

Yeah, but having a sucky website does not mean that he is a 9/11 Troofer, just that he has no html skillz.

86 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:28:09am

re: #81 Learned Mother of Zion

Whoever designed Rabi's site needs to get a sit-down. Beyond awful (or parody for that matter).

87 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:28:10am

Surveys like this selectively restrict their respondents in two ways. First, not only is the contact list small but it is restricted to people (MD's in this case) who've previously sent the conducting org money. Second, the bias is usually so clear in the wording that accompanies the mailers that those who don't agree with the obviously ginned up premise tend to self select out and send it to the round bin.

I get various "surveys" like this all the time from the Second Amendment Foundation and the assortment of right wing orgs they've shared my contact information with. I made the mistake last year of joining 2AF to try and get a discount on transfer fees from a local FFL, and ever since my mailbox has been inundated with vast quantities of high test derp accompanied by requests for money and earnest pleas for my opinion.

88 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:28:33am

re: #85 Learned Mother of Zion

Yeah, doesn't address the claims - will have to check...

89 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:28:38am

re: #36 Kragar

Barton: Government Regulation is the 'Most Dangerous Attack ... on our Liberties Since the British'


In fact, Barton declared that the mere existence of federal regulatory agencies represent "the most dangerous attack on our liberties since the British" while Green explained that there was no need for federal agencies to prevent companies from dumping toxic waste because the truly free market will hold them accountable when they get sued:

And all the while they are trying to put caps on how much you can (if you are even allowed) sue a company for. Seems like a win-win for corps. But if they really want to take us back in time to a more rational place in our history, without regulations. If one of those companies were to kill one of my children because they don't have regulation and decided to pollute my water with contaminants that killed my child(ren), I can hunt down the CEO and officers of the company and shoot them in the street like the dog they are? Just like what was done in the 'good old days' to thieves and horse rustlers (well I guess I would have to hang them rather than shoot them to be really true to the "good 'ol days". I think the CEO's might start yearning for the good 'ol court cases in lieu of direct recourse.

90 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:29:39am

re: #81 Learned Mother of Zion

A bunch of wingnut blogs are chattering that MO Democrat MD Rabi Alam is a 9/11 conspiracy troofer, but I haven't been able to find any reliable verification, it could just be a smear attempt.

Apparently they're going by this comment he made on Topix.

91 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:30:52am

re: #86 lawhawk

Whoever designed Rabi's site needs to get a sit-down. Beyond awful (or parody for that matter).

[Link: www.topix.com...]

First of all I would suggest all of you to see this link, and try to focus what is this documentay about. Here is the link: [Link: video.google.com...]

Now, I can say this much which is a big yes from my own understanding and own judgement. But there is always other side of the coin.

Few question to my readers,
Why 9/11 was a official holidy for all jewish people worked in the the WTC?

Who can tell me how many of the Jewish people died on the 9/11 tragedy?

Finally, who can tell me why there was a closed-end security and dog squad was implaced at the lower level of the WTC just a block before the 9/11?

What do you really think?

92 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:31:04am

re: #89 RayFerd

And all the while they are trying to put caps on how much you can (if you are even allowed) sue a company for. Seems like a win-win for corps. But if they really want to take us back in time to a more rational place in our history, without regulations. If one of those companies were to kill one of my children because they don't have regulation and decided to pollute my water with contaminants that killed my child(ren), I can hunt down the CEO and officers of the company and shoot them in the street like the dog they are? Just like what was done in the 'good old days' to thieves and horse rustlers (well I guess I would have to hang them rather than shoot them to be really true to the "good 'ol days". I think the CEO's might start yearning for the good 'ol court cases in lieu of direct recourse.

I guess it's that they want to go back far but not that far. Kind of like how they want to make society more biblically based while at the same time wanting to reap the benefits of modernization.

93 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:31:10am

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Update:Terror suspects allegedly planned to attack EDL

EDL's take on this:

Terrorists Target EDL Demonstration

As reported earlier this morning, seven men have been arrested for their involvement in a plot to target last Saturday’s EDL demonstration in Dewsbury.

Police found an improvised explosive device (IED), much like those used in Afghanistan, along with guns, ammunition and leaflets warning ‘infidels’ not to follow the EDL, David Cameron or the Queen.

It was only by chance that just hours before the demonstration was set to begin the car carrying this deadly cargo was pulled over and impounded for not having any insurance. But it was not until Monday that police actually searched the car and discovered the weaponry. emphasis added

Er, no, you goofballs, it was not much like those used in Afghanistan, unless some Talib has allowed his six year old to try his hand at bomb-making. It was a pile of ingredients that could be used to make a small pipe bomb.
Even so, if the facts are as alleged, the would-be bombers need to be tossed in the darkest dungeon in the UK and left there till hell freezes.

94 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:31:21am

OT: Someone screwed up and an endangered turtle species got to pay for it.

[Link: worldnews.msnbc.msn.com...]

95 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:31:57am

Image: 175px-CocoaPuffs.jpg

96 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:32:28am

Gaffney: Obama Advancing Sharia Law and the 'Radical Homosexual Agenda' in the Military

WOW! Pushing Sharia and the Homosexual agenda at the same time? That is quite an accomplishment.

97 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:32:56am

re: #96 Kragar

Gaffney: Obama Advancing Sharia Law and the 'Radical Homosexual Agenda' in the Military

WOW! Pushing Sharia and the Homosexual agenda at the same time? That is quite an accomplishment.

See #95. //

98 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:33:27am

re: #94 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

OT: Someone screwed up and an endangered turtle species got to pay for it.

[Link: worldnews.msnbc.msn.com...]

Well, thats ok, because someone can just sue the company and everything will be just fine.

99 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:34:05am

re: #96 Kragar

Gaffney: Obama Advancing Sharia Law and the 'Radical Homosexual Agenda' in the Military

WOW! Pushing Sharia and the Homosexual agenda at the same time? That is quite an accomplishment.

It's happened! The linking of support for gay rights with Shariah! Now if you excuse me tonight I'm going to support the creeping of Shariah while I enjoy a beer and hopefuly pork BBQ.

100 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:34:58am

re: #90 Gus

Apparently they're going by this comment he made on Topix.

Hmm, that was 3 years ago "Just axin' quesshions." Did he get pounded?

101 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:35:39am

re: #96 Kragar

Gaffney: Obama Advancing Sharia Law and the 'Radical Homosexual Agenda' in the Military

WOW! Pushing Sharia and the Homosexual agenda at the same time? That is quite an accomplishment.

HomoSharia Agenda!

102 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:37:11am

re: #91 Gus

[Link: www.topix.com...]

He looks like a Truther, all right, of the Islamist variety. I see that the usual morons are already trying to tie him to President Obama - but he's actually more closely connected to the anti-abortion movement in MO:

Missouri Pro-Life Group Endorses Islamist 9/11 Truther.

103 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:38:31am

re: #90 Gus

Apparently they're going by this comment he made on Topix.

ZOMFG, that thread is full of more crazy than a Pam Geller Fan Club Convention.

104 abolitionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:39:29am

re: #36 Kragar

Barton: Government Regulation is the 'Most Dangerous Attack ... on our Liberties Since the British'

What do mean my twenty dollar bill's no good here? It's even got my picture on it!

105 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:40:03am

I wouldn't raise the possibility but it appears that events have raised it for me: Imagine the aftermath if extremist assholes actually did carry out a fatal attack on an EDL demonstration. A collection of instant martyrs would allow the EDL to take another giant step toward legitimacy in the minds (such as they are) of their target audience. Can you make a silk purse out of a sow's ear? Pam, Spencer and others are already giving it a mighty effort. Unfortunately they are having some success, if the many lunatic anti-shariah efforts are any indication. A real live terror attack would be heaven's gift to them.

106 dallasdoc  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:40:13am

I am a doctor and I have quit because Obamacare did not go far enough. i am tired of spending 1//3 of my revenue just to collect what i am owed. I am tired of overhead of 60-75% so that it is very expensive to take a vacation. I am back in Canada, under Canadian single payer system, where my fees are half the US fees, my taxes are 50% higher, and my overhead is one sixth, so that my net take home pay is actually higher and i can afford to be away on vacation. Dont miss the Dallas heat and the insanity of the politics where the tea party loons are taken seriously rather than been laughed at in riducule

107 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:40:21am

re: #98 Kragar

Well, thats ok, because someone can just sue the company and everything will be just fine.

Right. :p

If the fine is anything like what a magistrate charges for a man's dog wantonly killing chickens the fine for 20,000 turtles will be less than the cost of a lawyer and defending the suit. Besides, who gets the money? I don't think the turtles have a trust fund.

108 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:41:53am

re: #102 Charles Johnson

He looks like a Truther, all right, of the Islamist variety. I see that the usual morons are already trying to tie him to President Obama - but he's actually more closely connected to the anti-abortion movement in MO:

Missouri Pro-Life Group Endorses Islamist 9/11 Truther.

Seems like a real oddball.

109 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:44:03am

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel

I wouldn't raise the possibility but it appears that events have raised it for me: Imagine the aftermath if extremist assholes actually did carry out a fatal attack on an EDL demonstration. A collection of instant martyrs would allow the EDL to take another giant step toward legitimacy in the minds (such as they are) of their target audience. Can you make a silk purse out of a sow's ear? Pam, Spencer and others are already giving it a mighty effort, unfortunately with some success, if the many anti-shariah efforts are any indication. A real live terror attack would be heaven's gift to them.

Exactly. I think it would not only advance the cause of the EDL in their own minds but with the public as well. The UK does have a problem with Muslim extremists. Every attempted attack or arrest has the possibility of swaying more people towards the EDL.

110 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:44:36am

No wonder the GOP hates Holder

Holder Calls Voter ID Laws ‘Poll Taxes’

Attorney General Eric Holder deviated from his prepared remarks during a speech before the NAACP on Tuesday and called voter ID laws “poll taxes.”

“Under the proposed law, concealed handgun licenses would be acceptable forms of photo ID, but student IDs would not,” Holder said. “Many of those without IDs would have to travel great distances to get them, and some would struggle to pay for the documents they might need to obtain them. We call those poll taxes.”

That last line was not part of Holder’s prepared remarks released to the press.

Holder has been very critical of voter ID laws in the past, but this appears to be the first time he’s gone as far as to compare them to the Jim Crow-era effort to purposefully disenfranchise African-Americans.

111 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:45:00am

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel

I wouldn't raise the possibility but it appears that events have raised it for me: Imagine the aftermath if extremist assholes actually did carry out a fatal attack on an EDL demonstration. A collection of instant martyrs would allow the EDL to take another giant step toward legitimacy in the minds (such as they are) of their target audience. Can you make a silk purse out of a sow's ear? Pam, Spencer and others are already giving it a mighty effort, unfortunately with some success, if the many anti-shariah efforts are any indication. A real live terror attack would be heaven's gift to them.

If the roles were reversed in this story, and the EDL were accused of plotting to bomb Muslims, Pamela Geller would be claiming that the Muslims planted the evidence.

112 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:45:41am

re: #91 Gus

Yeah, just saw that - and after reading through that, I'd say he's a troofer.

No doubt about it either.

113 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:47:24am

Obama wants to extend tax cuts for the 98%. Mitt cries that's not fair!

Dig this pile o'fail:

Romney challenged Obama's call for a one-year extension of tax cuts limited to households earning less than $250,000, saying the U.S. needed to restore economic freedom for everyone.

"To restore economic freedom we have to have taxes that are competitive with other nations," Romney told radio host Michael Medved on Monday.

BWAHAHAA!

114 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:47:35am

re: #112 lawhawk

Yeah, just saw that - and after reading through that, I'd say he's a troofer.

No doubt about it either.

...

MD Rabbi Alam is an Obama campaign ally!

That's how they put it in the trashy "Free Beacon." What the heck is a "campaign ally" and why should we care about this lone nut?

115 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:49:14am

re: #113 Learned Mother of Zion

Obama wants to extend tax cuts for the 98%. Mitt cries that's not fair!

Dig this pile o'fail:

BWAHAHAA!

He's an idiot. Just because he makes himself come across as smart doesn't make him so.

116 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:50:15am

re: #106 dallasdoc

What would you have done differently?

117 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:51:20am

re: #114 Gus

...

That's how they put it in the trashy "Free Beacon." What the heck is a "campaign ally" and why should we care about this lone nut?

Hannity derped it up pretty hard yesterday when he said that < insert non-rightwing news organization here, I forget which one precisely > was "The campaign arm of the Obama campaign!"

Got his buzzword salad tossed a little too heavily, methinks.

118 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:52:39am

Campaign ally? Is that like a friendly friend? This whole thing reeks of "Hey you call out our actual nuts in Congress so here's one of yours." Lest we forget the attempt to make that nut in Brooklyn who supports Mugabe out to in the Weekly Standard's bullshit phrase- "The heart and soul of the Democratic Party."

119 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:53:09am

re: #113 Learned Mother of Zion

Obama wants to extend tax cuts for the 98%. Mitt cries that's not fair!

Dig this pile o'fail:

Romney challenged Obama's call for a one-year extension of tax cuts limited to households earning less than $250,000, saying the U.S. needed to restore economic freedom for everyone.

"To restore economic freedom we have to have taxes that are competitive with other nations," Romney told radio host Michael Medved on Monday.

BWAHAHAA!

Don't we already have some of the lowest income tax rates of any western nation? People are leaving for Britian and Sweeden because of their sweet over 50% tax rates?

WTF is Romney even talking about?

120 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:54:01am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

He's an idiot. Just because he makes himself come across as smart doesn't make him so.

He doesn't make himself come across as smart.

121 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:54:58am

re: #117 GunstarGreen

Hannity derped it up pretty hard yesterday when he said that < insert non-rightwing news organization here, I forget which one precisely > was "The campaign arm of the Obama campaign!"

Got his buzzword salad tossed a little too heavily, methinks.

I love it when a partisan hack, Hannity who works for a partisan hack station, Fox tries to make it out that he and his network are somehow independent and just reporting the facts. No dice, Sean, no fuckin' dice.

122 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:55:05am

re: #117 GunstarGreen

Hannity derped it up pretty hard yesterday when he said that < insert non-rightwing news organization here, I forget which one precisely > was "The campaign arm of the Obama campaign!"

Got his buzzword salad tossed a little too heavily, methinks.

They got us now! We're doomed. Obama might as well concede the election right this minute.

//

123 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:55:36am

re: #120 Learned Mother of Zion

He doesn't make himself come across as smart.

True that. Seriously, why are at least 40% of people going to vote for this circus clown?

124 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:55:55am

re: #122 Gus

lol. But there are some folks who think that way.

125 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:57:17am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

True that. Seriously, why are at least 40% of people going to vote for this circus clown?

ABO.

126 dallasdoc  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:57:28am

re: #116 Mattand

what would i have done differently regarding what??

I did not leave because of obamacare but because i despaired of never being able to afford to take time off from work because of the high overhead.

127 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:58:37am

re: #78 slamhole

Welcome, hatchling.

128 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:59:03am

re: #124 PhillyPretzel

lol. But there are some folks who think that way.

Tabloid politics from tabloid news outfit Fox News. Film at 11.

129 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:01:10pm

I think Hannity only has a job because Fox wanted the biggest hackjob who can't even perceive of understanding other points of view.

130 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:01:15pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

These are nimrods who remain convinced that, should the Feds stop regulating and prosecuting, the states will step in and do it in their place.

Which is about as believable at Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

And the states will step in and get run over by the same anti-government barrage of teabags, faux christian wingnuts and corporate bullies.

131 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:04:35pm

re: #126 dallasdoc

what would i have done differently regarding what??

I did not leave because of obamacare but because i despaired of never being able to afford to take time off from work because of the high overhead.

You initially said:

I am a doctor and I have quit because Obamacare did not go far enough.

I come across the occasional doctor online threatening to quit the biz because Obamacare is the death of Freedom™ and what not, but I've never heard of one quitting because it didn't go far enough.

Where does it fail or what would you like to see changed? IMO, I'm not wild about the mandate. Quite frankly, I think Canada does it way better than we do.

You obviously have some opinion on this. As a medical pro, what would you change about the ACA if you could?

132 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:04:57pm

Here's the idiots "Obama connection":

Rabbi Alam's White House Visit

Rabbi Alam visited the White House on Dec. 17, 2011 at 2:00 PM with 268 other people. The meeting was held with Visitors Office. The logs describe the visit as 'Group Tour'

That's right folks. He visited the White House in a group tour. That's the connection.

[Laugh track]

133 kirkspencer  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:06:35pm

re: #119 Mattand

BWAHAHAA!

Don't we already have some of the lowest income tax rates of any western nation? People are leaving for Britian and Sweeden because of their sweet over 50% tax rates?

WTF is Romney even talking about?

Corporate tax rate. Our nominal is the highest of the developed nations. (never mind all the loopholes that make the actual one of the lowest.)

134 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:07:34pm

re: #132 Gus

Here's the idiots "Obama connection":

Rabbi Alam's White House Visit

That's right folks. He visited the White House in a group tour. That's the connection.

[Laugh track]

Well by that standard, I can link Jeffrey Dahmer to Jimmy Carter since Dahmer visited the Carter White House as a high school student.

135 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:07:34pm

re: #132 Gus

Here's the idiots "Obama connection":

Rabbi Alam's White House Visit

That's right folks. He visited the White House in a group tour. That's the connection.

[Laugh track]

I spell his name Rabi Alam because it's just too much dissonance for me to see "Rabbi"

136 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:08:36pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Well by that standard, I can link Jeffrey Dahmer to Jimmy Carter since Dahmer visited the Carter White House as a high school student.

The log shows 498 people visited the White House on Dec. 17, 2011. Visitors office tours are not included on this page.

Which means more than 500 people visited the WH all told on that day.

Derp.

137 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:11:15pm

re: #133 kirkspencer

Corporate tax rate. Our nominal is the highest of the developed nations. (never mind all the loopholes that make the actual one of the lowest.)

The Huff Po article is talking about income tax. I should probably know this, but were corporate tax rates also in the Bush tax cuts?

138 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:12:40pm

re: #136 Gus

The log shows 498 people visited the White House on Dec. 17, 2011. Visitors office tours are not included on this page.

Which means more than 500 people visited the WH all told on that day.

Derp.

ISTR wingnuts freaked out over WH logs that showed visits by Jeremiah Wright and William Ayres, only they were random tourists who just happened to have the same name as the two "Obama pals" who never received a WH invitation.

139 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:13:22pm
The Daily Caller is hyping a survey by the “non-partisan” Doctor Patient Medical Association

I wonder how many 'patients' there are in this supposed Doctor Patient association.

140 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:14:53pm

re: #139 Bulworth

I wonder how many 'patients' there are in this supposed Doctor Patient association.

Heh I too am always skeptical of groups with names like this. I remember hearing about an African American Republican group whose board chairs consisted of all white guys like Sean Hannity.

141 dallasdoc  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:30:42pm

re: #131 Mattand

like you I like the canadian system, from first hand experience. i remember when it came in the late 1960's and from practicing here in the 90's and now again. if you lose your job you dont lose your insurance. if you get a job you dont lose medicaid. if you get married, divorced, turn a certain age, move accross the country or come down with a permanent problem you dont lose your insurance. i have one insurance agency to deal with that pays me just about what they have agreed to pay me. they dont lose my bills, or retroactively declare someone or some proceedure not covered. there are problems but every system has problems. there are horror stories but every system has its horror stories, proving only that human systems are imperfect - what a shocker.

as for the mandate, it is a gutless response to republican obstructionism, actually proposed by the Heritage foundation in reponse to Hillary-care. Australia has a mandate system that seems to work. Israel and Germany have systems relying on non-government insurance but that covers everyone.

The best part of Obamacare is that it is so flawed in underachieving the goals of covering everyone and cost containment that it will have to be fixed, which at least sets the stage for the next step, rather than being stuck with the abomnible status que

142 Lidane  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:36:23pm

On a related note:

Republican Rep: I Don’t Think Someone Who Is Diagnosed With A Brain Tumor Should Have Health Care Provided

Compassionate conservatism in action.

143 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:36:42pm

re: #138 Learned Mother of Zion

ISTR wingnuts freaked out over WH logs that showed visits by Jeremiah Wright and William Ayres, only they were random tourists who just happened to have the same name as the two "Obama pals" who never received a WH invitation.

But not a word about a gay prostitute asking softball questions at pressers and the logs show stayed overnight. Strange that, huh?

144 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:36:45pm

re: #130 Bulworth

And the states will step in and get run over by the same anti-government barrage of teabags, faux christian wingnuts and corporate bullies.

The states will be cheaper to buy as well.
///

145 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:37:40pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Heh I too am always skeptical of groups with names like this. I remember hearing about an African American Republican group whose board chairs consisted of all white guys like Sean Hannity.

If you mean the NBRA,,, ummm,, no!

[Link: www.nbra.info...]

146 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:39:17pm

re: #142 Lidane

On a related note:

Republican Rep: I Don’t Think Someone Who Is Diagnosed With A Brain Tumor Should Have Health Care Provided

Compassionate conservatism in action.

I really hope for Dreier's sake that no one he loves or cares about gets a brain tumor. Typical fuck you, I got mine attitude by the GOP.

147 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:39:46pm

re: #145 sattv4u2

If you mean the NBRA,,, ummm,, no!

[Link: www.nbra.info...]

Honest mistake. Still think it's funny that he's on the board though given his ties with a white supremacist though.

148 Lidane  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:40:10pm

re: #110 Kragar

No wonder the GOP hates Holder

Holder Calls Voter ID Laws ‘Poll Taxes’

He's right. Voter ID is a poll tax. At least someone is saying it.

149 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:41:09pm

re: #142 Lidane

Says the guy with gold plated health care paid for by the taxpayers.

Again,I say,fuck these people sideways with rusty farm implements.

150 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:41:45pm

re: #148 Lidane

He's right. Voter ID is a poll tax. At least someone is saying it.

What pisses me off about it is Republicans go "Oh you can get at the DMV." So what did Walker do in Wisconsin in one example, oh he proceeded to close down DMVs. Really it's a load of shit and I'm glad Holder is calling it out for the shit it is.

151 Lidane  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:42:03pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

This is what desperation looks like.

I thought it looked like this:

McConnell Pressing For Another ‘Obamacare’ Repeal Vote

152 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:43:13pm

VJ Day, Honolulu Hawaii, August 14, 1945

Shot on 16mm Kodachrome... with excellent soundtrack.

Vimeo
153 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:43:24pm

re: #151 Lidane

JOBS!!!

154 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:43:26pm

re: #141 dallasdoc

Appreciate the response. It's really fascinating to hear someone from the front lines of the HCR issue relay their experiences.

I'm not sure I'd characterize the mandate compromise as "gutless", but I understand the resentment against it.

155 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:43:27pm

re: #151 Lidane

I thought it looked like this:

McConnell Pressing For Another ‘Obamacare’ Repeal Vote

Takes all forms. That vote will surely fail and then Mitch will whine that the president is "being partisan." When are people going to get tired of the GOP's crap and vote their officeholders like McConnell out on their asses?

156 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:43:42pm

re: #149 A Mom Anon

Says the guy with gold plated health care paid for by the taxpayers.

Again,I say,fuck these people sideways with rusty farm implements.

Being elected to public office is a calling, just like teaching, firefighting and law enforcement.

Cut their benefits and pay them the minimum wage. Their service is its own reward.

157 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:44:04pm
The Daily Caller is hyping a survey by the “non-partisan” Doctor Patient Medical Association that says: Report: 83 Percent of Doctors Have Considered Quitting Over Obamacare.

Gosh, if only Chief Justice Roberts had seen this very real and non-bi-partisan poll of teabagging doctors he might have voted against the mandate and the ACA. //

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:44:46pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Yeah regulation is much worse than legalized slavery, lynchings, etc. By the way, we had no problem being with the British for much of our time as a colony. Who knows if the British had let Americans represent our interests in parliament who knows what would have happened.

Well, they didn't. So, being British, we went and fixed that. Just the latest in a long line of hard-headed English demands for a fair deal. After what happened at Runnymede, you'd think they'd have seen it coming.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:45:17pm

re: #48 sattv4u2

BINGO

YAHTZEE

MONOPOLY!!!

(they all take on different meanings when applied to politics, huh!!)

What does "yahtzee" mean in politics?

160 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:45:23pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

Takes all forms. That vote will surely fail and then Mitch will whine that the president is "being partisan." When are people going to get tired of the GOP's crap and vote their officeholders like McConnell out on their asses?

Sigh. Remember when Kentucky sent statesmen like Henry Clay to the U.S. Senate?

161 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:46:28pm

Testing something...

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:46:37pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Update:Terror suspects allegedly planned to attack EDL

Yes, that's going to help a great deal...

(Groan. The EDL groupies at Harry's Place are going to go berserk. It's bad enough the snit-fit they throw if anyone calls the BNP 'far right'.)

163 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:47:12pm

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, they didn't. So, being British, we went and fixed that. Just the latest in a long line of hard-headed English demands for a fair deal. After what happened at Runnymede, you'd think they'd have seen it coming.

YEah I was just saying that acting like regulation is the worst thing government has done since the British is laughable in light of things like legalized slavery for 78 years after the writing of the Constitution, or the fact that lynchings occurred often with law enforcement turning a blind eye for a long time, etc.

164 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:47:33pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

What does "yahtzee" mean in politics?

You roll the dice and appoint a Republican for every '5' or '6'. Then you roll the remaining dice again...
/

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:47:46pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

We could wipe out some countries debts if they would do a Pay Per View event Clash of the Extremists!!

In this corner,, we have the al-Qaeda Bombers, and in this corner we have the EDL Batsmen!

I would pay good money to see that. My money is actually on al-Quaeda, though. Explosives beat brass knuckles.

166 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:48:05pm

re: #160 Bulworth
Compromise. It is a beautiful word but not today's GOP.

167 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:48:07pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

What does "yahtzee" mean in politics?

The object of the game is to score the most points by rolling five dice to make certain combinations
Sort of like voting. You never really know what you're getting till you roll the doce

168 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:48:41pm

re: #160 Bulworth

Sigh. Remember when Kentucky sent statesmen like Henry Clay to the U.S. Senate?

This guy looks pretty good
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
McConnell and Rand Paul are devolution in action.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:49:36pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Probably not much more than sticks and rocks. I have no love for the EDL but a lot of them could have been killed. .

OK, it's not funny. Rising violence isn't a good thing. But it's rare that a bunch of Pakistani guys plan to blow something up and I have a quick, shameful sense of "Well, I could see that..." Very rare indeed.

170 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:49:48pm

re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist

I would pay good money to see that. My money is actually on al-Quaeda, though. Explosives beat brass knuckles.

Unless AQ's leader is Achmed the hapless Dead Terrorist

Youtube Video

/

171 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:50:21pm

Apparently, Bryan Fischer and the AFA hate restrooms

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:52:23pm

re: #83 Big Steve

% of Big Steve's that have threatened to quit their jobs = 100%

Is this related to healthcare reform, or do you just not like working there?

173 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:52:40pm

re: #171 Kragar

Apparently, Bryan Fischer and the AFA hate restrooms

...

174 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:53:08pm

re: #171 Kragar

Apparently, Bryan Fischer and the AFA hate restrooms

God hates toilets and modern plumbing.

175 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:54:39pm

re: #171 Kragar

Apparently, Bryan Fischer and the AFA hate restrooms

Inside the mind of an insane fundamentalist. What appears to any sane person to be an ordinary sign informing customers of the location of the restrooms is, to Fischer, so heinous and contemptible on its face that it literally needs no explanation.

176 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:54:56pm

re: #171 Kragar

Apparently, Bryan Fischer and the AFA hate restrooms

Who here has dogs?
I'll walk them to Bryan's house and let them poop on his yard.
/

177 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:55:00pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

God hates toilets and modern plumbing.

Then why did he create Flushing Meadows!?!?!

(and btw ,,, I would not want to picnic in a meadow thats named flushing ,,,, just sayin)

178 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:56:20pm

re: #175 GunstarGreen

Inside the mind of an insane fundamentalist. What appears to any sane person to be an ordinary sign informing customers of the location of the restrooms is, to Fischer, so heinous and contemptible on its face that it literally needs no explanation.

Rutabaga.

Need we say more?

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:56:26pm

re: #171 Kragar

Apparently, Bryan Fischer and the AFA hate restrooms

Yeah, I'm stumped.

Why IS the AFA boycotting Home Depot, anyway? Home Depot seems like a manly kind of place to me.

180 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:56:53pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I'm stumped.

Why IS the AFA boycotting Home Depot, anyway? Home Depot seems like a manly kind of place to me.

Garden dept

They sell PANSIES!!!

Nuff said!

182 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:58:20pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Is it because Home Depot is owned by a Jew? I am just guessing. I think Home Depot is a good place to get a lot of stuff for your home.

183 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:58:22pm

re: #177 sattv4u2

Then why did he create Flushing Meadows!?!?!

(and btw ,,, I would not want to picnic in a meadow thats named flushing ,,, just sayin)

[Link: t1.gstatic.com...]
I dunno, looks like Homer is doing just fine.

184 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 12:58:48pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I'm stumped.

Why IS the AFA boycotting Home Depot, anyway? Home Depot seems like a manly kind of place to me.

They came out for marriage equality.

185 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:00:02pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

oh. It figures.

186 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:00:08pm

The AFA Google boycott will be high hilarity.

187 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:03:07pm

re: #185 PhillyPretzel

oh. It figures.

Yeah, did ya hear about the freakout over Oreo or rather Nabisco I guess technically supporting equality through rainbow Oreo. The anti gay bigots got their shit stuck over/ AFA and like minded groups are always flapping their shit when a major company declares their support for gay equality. Anti gay idiots who claim they're fans of capitalism don't realize that these moves while great on a PR level are also smart business moves too.

188 Mattand  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:04:03pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I'm stumped.

Why IS the AFA boycotting Home Depot, anyway? Home Depot seems like a manly kind of place to me.

It's Teh Gayz™ and Home Depot's anti-Christ like stance of treating people equally.

Here's secret video Bryan Fischer recorded himself.

189 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:04:35pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

::: rolls eyes ::: Oy Vey these people are idiots.

190 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:04:59pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Yeah, did ya hear about the freakout over Oreo or rather Nabisco I guess technically supporting equality through rainbow Oreo. The anti gay bigots got their shit stuck over/ AFA and like minded groups are always flapping their shit when a major company declares their support for gay equality. Anti gay idiots who claim they're fans of capitalism don't realize that these moves while great on a PR level are also smart business moves too.

The great part was seeing all the nut jobs swear they would never eat another Oreo, then slowly realizing what they just said.

191 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:05:14pm

Would they boycott the word boycott if it turned out that word's namesake was gay or will they be boycotting computers due to Alan Turing's sexuality? That's what is stupid about boycotting a company over being pro gay. But hey if they want to be idiots and act like only straight white Christians are what made the world what it is, they can go act like ostriches for all I care.

192 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:07:04pm

re: #189 PhillyPretzel

::: rolls eyes ::: Oy Vey these people are idiots.

I know right? Someone here posted links to FR and one of the idiotic freepers was saying no Oreos for my children ever again! Made me grateful that for all my parents' eccentricity and weirdness that they weren't and still aren't that.

193 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:08:36pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

I know right? Someone here posted links to FR and one of the idiotic freepers was saying no Oreos for my children ever again! Made me grateful that for all my parents' eccentricity and weirdness that they weren't and still aren't that.

Failbook had some good ones. People posting "We'll never buy Oreos again!" with replies like "MORE FOR ME!" or "Good, you're fat enough as it is".

194 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:08:48pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

I know right? Someone here posted links to FR and one of the idiotic freepers was saying no Oreos for my children ever again! Made me grateful that for all my parents' eccentricity and weirdness that they weren't and still aren't that.

It's not like the RWNJs have Hydrox to fall back on.

Screw them...

195 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:12:45pm
The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA)

OMG. Patient Power! Down with Obamacare! But for the 'patients' of course. /

196 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:12:56pm

re: #194 SunshineSuperman

It's not like the RWNJs have Hydrox to fall back on.

Screw them...

HYDROX?

What are you, some kind of Commie?

197 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:15:00pm

After years, I've finally done away with that incredibly annoying "safe email" system we've been using, and replaced with a Javascript version that no longer requires you to enter a code backwards. If someone checks the 'Show Email' box when they post a comment, their name is now a link that directly opens your email program with a new email addressed to them.

Through the magic of Javascript, this is done without a mailto link, and with no email addresses actually exposed in the HTML code, so spammers should be unable to harvest any addresses from our comments.

Bottom line: it's now much easier and safer to share your email address with other LGF users, if you choose to.

198 Sionainn  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:15:00pm

re: #142 Lidane

On a related note:

Republican Rep: I Don’t Think Someone Who Is Diagnosed With A Brain Tumor Should Have Health Care Provided

Compassionate conservatism in action.

Death Panels!

199 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:15:01pm

re: #196 Kragar

Naw... just keeping kosher (until Oreo changed their recipe, they weren't kosher - while hydrox were).

200 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:16:22pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Thank you Charles for another great feature.

201 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:16:35pm

Try a google search for "erin Stieler jacob michigan" and note the full page of wingnut idiots saying that the state is trying to kill a boy, that they are trying to save from ignorant parents.

202 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:16:36pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Thanks! (again)

203 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:16:45pm

So what are the odds this survey will be on the Sunday talk shows being hyped by "liberal" media?

204 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:21:00pm

re: #193 Kragar

Failbook had some good ones. People posting "We'll never buy Oreos again!" with replies like "MORE FOR ME!" or "Good, you're fat enough as it is".

Failbook is great as is that site showing people on facebook responding to onion articles as if they were fact.

205 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:25:50pm

This system will also work with Gmail if you install the Google Notifier.

If you use Chrome there's a setting for it, you don't need the Notifier app.

206 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:28:42pm

Here's the RNC's new pet website: [Link: www.obamanomicsoutsourced.com...]

Commentary on the site design itself aside, I think it's hilarious that the GOP is on one hand blasting Obama for "sending jobs overseas" while at the same time promoting the view that government should "stay out of private industry" and let companies be run as their owners see fit, which ostensibly would include outsourcing jobs to boost profits if necessary.

207 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:29:04pm

You can test to make sure it works in your browser with this comment - I'm "bluing my nic."

(Doesn't matter if spammers get me anyway, I already get spammed to death at that address.)

208 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:37:37pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

replaced with a Javascript version that no longer requires you to enter a code backwards

Good

I can hardly ever get it right the 1st (or 2nd ,, 3rd,,,) try

I just keep hitting next till I see one that doesn't look like hieroglyphs

(or is that Hydrox !?!?!)

209 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:39:32pm

Rightwingers are nothing but psychos. What gets me is when mainstream media outlets like CNN report rightwing propaganda as if it were true.

210 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:41:03pm

OT I just posted a page on Unions spending money on elections. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

211 danarchy  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:43:27pm

Little late to the party, not sure the fact this only surveyed 699 physicians is really a strike against it, after all polling companies routinely release National election polls that sample even fewer than that to represent the entire nation. I think more important is how badly the questions and answers were worded, and they were worded pretty poorly.

212 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:48:12pm

re: #209 Patricia Kayden

Rightwingers are nothing but psychos

And here I've payed a psychoanalyst all that money and she hasn't diagnosed me yet!! Thanks. I can now cancel the next appointment with her!

213 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:48:55pm

re: #211 danarchy

Little late to the party, not sure the fact this only surveyed 699 physicians is really a strike against it, after all polling companies routinely release National election polls that sample even fewer than that to represent the entire nation. I think more important is how badly the questions and answers were worded, and they were worded pretty poorly.

Before the wording of the questions is the randomness of the sample. If DPMA only sent the survey to its own members or doctors whose names it got from right wing think tanks then there's another huge bias built into the likely respondent population.

214 kirkspencer  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:49:54pm

re: #211 danarchy

Little late to the party, not sure the fact this only surveyed 699 physicians is really a strike against it, after all polling companies routinely release National election polls that sample even fewer than that to represent the entire nation. I think more important is how badly the questions and answers were worded, and they were worded pretty poorly.

You mean an even smaller percentage, not even smaller number.

But this wasn't a randomly selected sample, which is very important when trying to use small samples as representative of larger samples.

215 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:51:12pm

Suddenly... FRATELLIS

Youtube Video
216 danarchy  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:00:56pm

re: #214 kirkspencer

You mean an even smaller percentage, not even smaller number.

But this wasn't a randomly selected sample, which is very important when trying to use small samples as representative of larger samples.

Actually I mean a smaller number. PPP seams to be the biggest offender but newsweek and bloomberg have all used pretty low sample numbers and ~900 is pretty typical for all the polls if you take a look at the polls on Real Clear Politics.

The randomness of the sample is definitely more important, the article said it was a random sample of doctors nationwide. That may not be true, but I don't really have access to that info.

217 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:05:59pm

re: #212 sattv4u2

Rightwingers are nothing but psychos

And here I've payed a psychoanalyst all that money and she hasn't diagnosed me yet!! Thanks. I can now cancel the next appointment with her!

heh.
I guess I'll cancel mine, too.

218 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:07:07pm

re: #217 reine.de.tout

heh.
I guess I'll cancel mine, too.

;)

219 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:14:36pm

Obama Defends Access To Contraception: It’s ‘Not Fair’ For Catholic Institutions To Deny Women Birth Control

As President Obama put it during an an interview with a New Orleans TV reporter on Monday, while religious liberty is “critical,” it’s “not fair” for these institutions to deny coverage to non-Catholic employees:

REPORTER: He describes himself as a Catholic voter and wrote ‘What can you say about a healthcare bill that’ll mandate insurance companies to provide birth control, sterilization, etc. to employees of Catholic universities, hospitals and churches since this goes against the Catholic religion?’ We know there is compromising language in place. Some say it doesn’t go far enough and that the real, the much bigger issue is religious liberty, not contraception.

OBAMA: Yeah. Well it’s absolutely true that religious liberty is critical. I mean that’s what our country was founded on. That’s the reason why we exempted churches, we exempted religious institutions, but we did say that big Catholic hospitals or universities who employ a lot of non-Catholics and who receive a lot of federal money, that for them to be in a position to say to a woman who works there you can’t get that from your insurance company even though the institution isn’t paying for it, that that crosses the line where that woman, she suddenly is gonna have to bear the burden and the cost of that. And that’s not fair.

220 freetoken  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:19:24pm

The old primates' club: Even male monkeys ride their fathers' coattails to success

If you're a male born to a father who's a strong and enduring community leader, you're far more likely than your less fortunate peers to become a leader yourself, due to the wide range of social advantages accruing from your dad's position.

And even if your old man isn't a leader, other men in your community are more likely to take you under their wing than your sisters, lavishing attention on you and showing you the ropes.

Sound like the basic description of an old boys' network?

Maybe so, but this is also the social structure that prevails among white-faced capuchin monkeys, those cute little New World primates associated in popular culture with organ grinders, says UCLA primatologist Susan Perry. Her new research provides a glimpse into how our male ancestors may have jockeyed for power and passed it on to their male offspring.

"Offspring, especially male offspring, raised in a group in which their father is the alpha male, throughout their juvenile phase enjoy a host of advantages over less fortunate monkeys," said Perry, a UCLA anthropology professor who has studied capuchins for 22 years. "A stable, peaceful family environment may have been important to the well-being and future success of children among our remote ancestors, just as it is to children today."

[...]

221 darthstar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:31:07pm

So much for the Hypocratic oath.

222 freetoken  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:32:36pm

Reuters seems more bullish on Obama:

Obama expands lead on Romney, voters more optimistic

President Barack Obama expanded his lead over Republican challenger Mitt Romney to 6 percentage points in the White House race this month as voters became slightly more optimistic about the economy, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Tuesday.

223 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:33:21pm

re: #222 freetoken

Reuters seems more bullish on Obama:

Obama expands lead on Romney, voters more optimistic

So long as the economy doesn't crash between now and November, Romney's really not got much to run on, other than being "Not Obama."

224 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:33:58pm

re: #221 darthstar

So much for the Hypocratic oath.

don't know why anyone would swear an oath to a hippopotamus in the first place


A wilderbeast,, sure

perhaps an Elk ,, or a Moose. At least their lodges serve beer!!

225 allegro  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:34:07pm

re: #220 freetoken

The old primates' club: Even male monkeys ride their fathers' coattails to success

Funny that you post this now just as I'm sitting on my sofa looking at a capuchin monkey playing on my neighbors RV roof. He was her late husband's service buddy. It was such a shock to see him the first time. Caught a glimpse out of the corner of my eye figuring it was a cat on her roof to do a double-take and realize that it was instead a small primate. What a cutie he is. I'd steal him if I could.

226 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:35:59pm

re: #221 darthstar

So much for the Hypocratic oath.

They took the Hypocritical oath.

227 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:36:25pm

re: #225 allegro

Funny that you post this now just as I'm sitting on my sofa looking at a capuchin monkey playing on my neighbors RV roof. He was her late husband's service buddy. It was such a shock to see him the first time. Caught a glimpse out of the corner of my eye figuring it was a cat on her roof to do a double-take and realize that it was instead a small primate. What a cutie he is. I'd steal him if I could.

Since you can't, try for alienation of affection. I understand they like bananas.

228 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:39:57pm

re: #227 Washed-Up-Clowns 'R' Us!

Since you can't, try for alienation of affection. I understand they like bananas.

I like bananas

I like affection!

OH NO~~~~~~

229 darthstar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:40:34pm

re: #222 freetoken

Reuters seems more bullish on Obama:

Obama expands lead on Romney, voters more optimistic

The more people get to know Mitt Romney, the less they like him. Better to have a president accused of being a Kenyan by idiots than one afraid to stand up to those idiots and who also hides his money offshore.

230 freetoken  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:41:14pm

re: #225 allegro

Diseases from animals hit 2 billion people a year

231 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:41:55pm

Illusionist rushed to hospital after ‘hook from the eye’ trick goes hideously wrong

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

The talented magician was performing his 'hook from the eye' trick

REWRITE!!!

//

232 freetoken  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:44:11pm

Khloe Kardashian: Literally Exploding with Excitement!

Literally

233 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:46:24pm

re: #232 freetoken

Khloe Kardashian: Literally Exploding with Excitement!

Literally

Messy.

235 freetoken  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:47:47pm

re: #234 Kragar

linky

236 darthstar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:48:04pm

Cute

Image: 553120_310020642437211_887683093_n.jpg

237 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:50:32pm

re: #233 Kragar

Messy.

Not really

Her heads empty, so it's more like a POP than an explosion!

238 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:50:44pm

re: #235 freetoken

linky

fixed

239 darthstar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:51:05pm

re: #232 freetoken

Khloe Kardashian: Literally Exploding with Excitement!

Literally

She seems to be demonstrating her one skill in that pic.

240 darthstar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:51:25pm

re: #237 sattv4u2

Not really

Her heads empty, so it's more like a POP than an explosion!

A fizzle.

241 freetoken  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:51:49pm

Canadian scientists protest against spending cuts

Several hundred Canadian scientists and their supporters held an unprecedented protest march on Tuesday to demonstrate against the government's decision to close down major facilities and fire research staff.

The protesters, who say the right-of-center Conservative government dislikes science, walked through central Ottawa behind a woman dressed as the Grim Reaper and a coffin designed to mourn the "Death of Evidence".

"Evidence is the way that adults navigate reality. To deny evidence is to live in a fairy world ... when countries engage in fantasy it's called state propaganda," Simon Fraser University professor Arne Moores told a crowd of around 800 people gathered on Parliament Hill.

[...]

"Evidence is the way that adults navigate reality" - not for the readers of WND.

242 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:55:21pm

re: #241 freetoken

Canadian scientists protest against spending cuts

"Evidence is the way that adults navigate reality" - not for the readers of WND.

Evidence is the tool of the faithless.
/

243 darthstar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:56:05pm

I wore shoes that didn't match...not once, but twice...when I was a teacher...it was rather humiliating. Still, this is one of those images that will come in handy come Xmas.

Image: 484090_460688053949814_736178275_n.jpg

245 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:56:40pm

All righty then!!!!

Calls to Destroy Egypt’s Great Pyramids Begin

according to several reports in the Arabic media, prominent Muslim clerics have begun to call for the demolition of Egypt’s Great Pyramids—or, in the words of Saudi Sheikh Ali bin Said al-Rabi‘i, those “symbols of paganism,

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

246 darthstar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:58:51pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

All righty then!!!

Calls to Destroy Egypt’s Great Pyramids Begin


[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

I'd be okay if they tore down the Luxor in Las Vegas. But unlike the pyramids in Egypt, at least it has windows.

247 freetoken  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 2:59:07pm

US strip club sues 'Octomom' for cancelled shows

The woman known as "Octomom" is facing a lawsuit after backing out of a deal to strip at a Florida club.

Remember this, boys and girls - there's no accounting for taste.

248 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:03:05pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

All righty then!!!

Calls to Destroy Egypt’s Great Pyramids Begin

according to several reports in the Arabic media, prominent Muslim clerics have begun to call for the demolition of Egypt’s Great Pyramids—or, in the words of Saudi Sheikh Ali bin Said al-Rabi‘i, those “symbols of paganism,

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

I don't get the wax covering idea. Then you'd just have a giant wax pyramid. Not to mention the desert heat. They need better ideas.

249 dragonath  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:03:36pm

re: #241 freetoken

A not so publicized story down in the states is how the Conservatives have gut Statistics Canada and how they attacked the guy who they had hired to watch the budget. They've admitted they've killed programs because they run counter to their ideology.

The Liberals never really got credit for cutting the deficit in a period of growth.

250 freetoken  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:08:14pm

You think your neighbors are noisy?

Susan Boyle’s Neighbors Seek to Silence ‘Britain’s Got Talent’ Star

You would think it would be a dream location, living next door to a best-selling singer whose harmonic voice catapulted her to stardom on the U.K. reality competition “Britain’s Got Talent.”
Not so say the neighbors of Susan Boyle, who have filed a noise complaint against the singer for singing at all hours of the night, a situation they describe as “unbearable,” according to the UK’s The Sun.

The neighbors – Teresa Miller, 39, and her fiancé, Paul Keaveney, 44, say that Boyle, who has sold more than 14 million albums, spends hours belting out covers of ‘Wild Horses,’ ‘Unchained Melody’ and ‘I Dreamed a Dream’ while playing excessively loud music repeatedly.

“It is so loud you can’t hear the telly,” Miller told the Sun. “It’ll be on first thing in the morning or late at night and it’s absolutely blaring.”

[...]

251 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:22:37pm

If posts are a bit slow today, it's because I've been working on a lot of code. It's a dirty job but somebody has to do it.

252 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:23:56pm

re: #248 Killgore Trout

I don't get the wax covering idea. Then you'd just have a giant wax pyramid. Not to mention the desert heat. They need better ideas.

Hairy legs?

253 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:26:33pm

BBIAB

The 'locusts" (son and 4 friends) have arrived and must be fed

254 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:27:13pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

All righty then!!!

Calls to Destroy Egypt’s Great Pyramids Begin

according to several reports in the Arabic media, prominent Muslim clerics have begun to call for the demolition of Egypt’s Great Pyramids—or, in the words of Saudi Sheikh Ali bin Said al-Rabi‘i, those “symbols of paganism,

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

The author of that thing studied with VDH at Fresno State, so you know he's good!

///

255 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:27:26pm

Frontpage Magazine? Really?

256 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:27:54pm

re: #255 Gus

Frontpage Magazine? Really?

That too.

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:29:44pm

re: #182 PhillyPretzel

Is it because Home Depot is owned by a Jew? I am just guessing. I think Home Depot is a good place to get a lot of stuff for your home.

Nah, they've never attacked Jewish businesses that I know of. Usually it's about gay people.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:30:06pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

They came out for marriage equality.

Restrooms come into that how?

259 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:30:08pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

That too.

And Daily Mail. All based on the proselytizing of a couple of extreme Imams. No mention of "Muslim Brotherhood." They probably have been talking about this for centuries now. I seriously doubt that even Morsi would agree to such a thing. A lot of people are still hoping for Egypt to fail.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:30:30pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Yeah, did ya hear about the freakout over Oreo or rather Nabisco I guess technically supporting equality through rainbow Oreo. The anti gay bigots got their shit stuck over/ AFA and like minded groups are always flapping their shit when a major company declares their support for gay equality. Anti gay idiots who claim they're fans of capitalism don't realize that these moves while great on a PR level are also smart business moves too.

I was just hacked that the cookie wasn't real. I would totally eat one of those.

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:31:23pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

I know right? Someone here posted links to FR and one of the idiotic freepers was saying no Oreos for my children ever again! Made me grateful that for all my parents' eccentricity and weirdness that they weren't and still aren't that.

It was a long enough wait to get kosher Oreos. No frum Jew, regardless of his or her politics, is letting them go again.

262 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:37:54pm

re: #259 Gus

And Daily Mail. All based on the proselytizing of a couple of extreme Imams. No mention of "Muslim Brotherhood." They probably have been talking about this for centuries now. I seriously doubt that even Morsi would agree to such a thing. A lot of people are still hoping for Egypt to fail.

I highly doubt it too. I'm still waiting to see if they're going to seriously entertain the idea of a morality police.Some of the smaller Islamist parties were pushing the idea a while ago.

263 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:38:53pm

An H-bomb couldn't destroy the Great Pyramid, unless you put it in the King's Chamber. Even then, it would leave the bottom half or so intact, with a jagged inverted cone where the top used to be. (It is solid rock for any practical purpose, after all).
They could start taking it down block by block, though it might be hard to recruit the army of fanatics who are also skilled crane operators to do it. It would take a while in any case, with a deafening global howl and every legal, military, cultural and economic sanction known to lawyerdom as part of the background.

264 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:40:19pm

re: #263 Shiplord Kirel

An H-bomb couldn't destroy the Great Pyramid, unless you put it in the King's Chamber. Even then, it would leave the bottom half or so intact, with a jagged inverted cone where the top used to be. (It is solid rock for any practical purpose, after all).
They could start taking it down block by block, though it might be hard to recruit the army of fanatics who are also skilled crane operators to do it. It would take a while in any case, with a deafening global howl and every legal, military, cultural and economic sanction known to lawyerdom as part of the background.

They could hire an Israeli construction company and do it in half the time.
///

265 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:43:05pm

Gov. Nikki Haley thinks funding rape crisis centers are a "distraction" from public health.

[Link: palmettopublicrecord.org...]

Seriously, are all Republican politicians mean and stupid?

266 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:43:55pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

I highly doubt it too. I'm still waiting to see if they're going to seriously entertain the idea of a morality police.Some of the smaller Islamist parties were pushing the idea a while ago.

Taking these clerics words as news or policy is sort of like taking Bryan Fischer's words as American policy.

267 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:44:44pm

Many thousands of Egyptians make their living from the Pyramids, directly or indirectly. It has been the country's most reliable industry since pre-Christian times. Any nutburger iman who seriously proposes taking them down is likely to find himself very unpopular in a hurry.

268 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:44:58pm

re: #259 Gus

And Daily Mail. All based on the proselytizing of a couple of extreme Imams. No mention of "Muslim Brotherhood." They probably have been talking about this for centuries now. I seriously doubt that even Morsi would agree to such a thing. A lot of people are still hoping for Egypt to fail.

They'd have to be nuts. I mean even more nuts than your garden variety extremist. Egypt is a poor country, they can hardly afford to lose the tourist $$.

I was telling someone the other day that I don't know where these fundies get this crap from to begin with—I'm talking about what's been going on in Timbuktu & the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas.

Islam has been around for 1,400 years, and even at the height of its power those shrines & archeological sites were left alone. Now all of a sudden these yahoos know better than all the respected scholars & leaders of the past?

269 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:44:59pm

Please note, the following statement was not delivered sarcastically:

Republican Senator On Romney: ‘It’s Really American To Avoid Paying Taxes’

Sen. Lindsey Graham’s (R-SC) attempt to defuse the controversy surrounding Romney’s taxes may be a new low for the campaign:

Mitt Romney shouldn’t be criticized for using off-shore tax havens because “it’s really American to avoid paying taxes, legally,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Tuesday. [...]

Graham argued that Congress is responsible for tax avoidance because it has crafted such convoluted rules and said he was fine with Romney’s taking advantage of the loopholes.

“As long as it was legal, I’m OK with it,” Graham said. “I don’t blame anybody for using the tax code to their advantage. I blame us for having it so complicated and confused. Pick a rate and make people pay it.”

270 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:46:17pm

re: #268 CuriousLurker

They'd have to be nuts. I mean even more nuts than your garden variety extremist. Egypt is a poor country, they can hardly afford to lose the tourist $$.

I was telling someone the other day that I don't know where these fundies get this crap from to begin with—I'm talking about what's been going on in Timbuktu & the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas.

Islam has been around for 1,400 years, and even at the height of its power those shrines & archeological sites were left alone. Now all of a sudden these yahoos know better than all the respected scholars & leaders of the past?

The respected scholars of the past didn't have access to Semtex.

271 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:47:20pm

re: #269 Kragar

Please note, the following statement was not delivered sarcastically:

Republican Senator On Romney: ‘It’s Really American To Avoid Paying Taxes’

Because really, what's more American than tax-dodging?

//

272 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:48:18pm

re: #268 CuriousLurker

They'd have to be nuts. I mean even more nuts than your garden variety extremist. Egypt is a poor country, they can hardly afford to lose the tourist $$.

I was telling someone the other day that I don't know where these fundies get this crap from to begin with—I'm talking about what's been going on in Timbuktu & the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas.

Islam has been around for 1,400 years, and even at the height of its power those shrines & archeological sites were left alone. Now all of a sudden these yahoos know better than all the respected scholars & leaders of the past?

Deuteronomy 12:2-3 "You shall utterly destroy all the places where the nations whom you shall dispossess serve their gods, on the high mountains and on the hills and under every green tree. "You shall tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and burn their Asherim with fire, and you shall cut down the engraved images of their gods and obliterate their name from that place.

273 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:49:41pm

re: #270 Kragar

The respected scholars of the past didn't have access to Semtex.

Well, I figure if people were capable of building them with what they had on hand thousands of years ago, then people who came along later, Semtex or not, were equally capable of dismantling them.

274 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:52:02pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

I finally found it. UNESCO list of World Heritage Sites. Give the map a little time to load. The Pyramids are listed under the Memphis and its Neocropolis. [Link: whc.unesco.org...]

275 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:52:17pm

re: #273 CuriousLurker

Well, I figure if people were capable of building them with what they had on hand thousands of years ago, then people who came along later, Semtex or not, were equally capable of dismantling them.

Semtex is a real time saver though.

276 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:52:41pm

Seems like everywhere they look, the numbers just don't support Republican talking points:

Obama’s Tax Plan Would Affect 3.5% Of Small Businesses

The GOP’s central argument against President Obama’s renewed push to let taxes rise on incomes over $250,000 is that it’ll target small businesses. The party’s rhetoric obscures the fact that the plan will hike taxes on just a minor fraction small business filers.

“What the President is proposing is therefore a massive tax increase on job creators and on small business,” Romney said Monday. “Small businesses are overwhelmingly being taxed not at a corporate rate, but at the individual tax rate. So successful small businesses will see their taxes go up dramatically and that will kill jobs.”

But to what extent would Obama’s tax plan actually affect small businesses?

In its latest estimate last month, Congress’s nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation found that in 2013, just 3.5 percent of small business tax filers would pay a higher rate — about 940,000 individuals, many of whom are lawyers and doctors in partnerships. But those few percent account for 53 percent of all small business income.

277 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:54:08pm

Obama Offers Health Insurance To Seasonal Firefighters

After visiting Colorado Springs, one of the towns most devastated by ongoing wildfires, President Obama instructed officials to offer federal health insurance to seasonal firefighters, the Denver Post reports.

Hundreds of seasonal firefighters—a force comprised mostly of young people and college students—have been battling especially severe wildfires in Colorado and other Western states, risking both immediate danger and long-term health consequences from bronchitis to lung cancer. Obama reportedly told his cabinet upon his return that he wanted to “find a solution” for these firefighters, who are not eligible for federal insurance because they are not full-time workers.

278 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:54:15pm

Egypt is going to destroy their pyramids and Obama is going to take away your guns.

Film at 11.

//

279 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:54:17pm

re: #272 Gus

Deuteronomy 12:2-3 "You shall utterly destroy all the places where the nations whom you shall dispossess serve their gods, on the high mountains and on the hills and under every green tree. "You shall tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and burn their Asherim with fire, and you shall cut down the engraved images of their gods and obliterate their name from that place.

But I haven't heard of the state of Israel's destroying any churches. Or mosques. Or any outcry for them to do so.

280 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:54:57pm

re: #265 moderatelyradicalliberal

Gov. Nikki Haley thinks funding rape crisis centers are a "distraction" from public health.

[Link: palmettopublicrecord.org...]

Seriously, are all Republican politicians mean and stupid?

Yes and no. Given the truncated quote and the usual suspects pushing the story (yes, think progress again) it not surprising there's a bit more nuance to the story. She's explaining her line item vetoes.
Haley vetoes spending for education, healthcare, arts

Gov. Nikki Haley has vetoed 81 items in the 2012-2013 state budget, including money that had been set aside for education, healthcare, museums, and the arts.

Haley waited until the final hours Thursday night to announce her vetoes, which were due to the Legislature at midnight. In all, the governor wants to block about $57 million in the state's $6.7 billion budget, a marked decrease from her $213 million veto package in 2011.

281 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:55:08pm

re: #278 Gus

Egypt is going to destroy their pyramids and Obama is going to take away your guns.

Film at 11.

//

OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AND GIVE THEM TO EGYPTIANS TO BLOW UP THE PYRAMIDS!11!!1!!

282 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:55:30pm

re: #277 Kragar

Obama Offers Health Insurance To Seasonal Firefighters

SOCIALISM!!!111

283 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:55:56pm

re: #275 Kragar

Semtex is a real time saver though.

Yep, but if you're a True Believer™ no effort is too great. If they'd wanted them gone, they'd have been gone. I mean, look at the Taj Mahal, it's a tribute to a woman. The horror! //

284 gwangung  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:56:25pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Yes and no. Given the truncated quote and the usual suspects pushing the story (yes, think progress again) it not surprising there's a bit more nuance to the story. She's explaining her line item vetoes.
Haley vetoes spending for education, healthcare, arts

This doesn't make it any better.

285 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 3:59:46pm

re: #268 CuriousLurker

Islam has been around for 1,400 years, and even at the height of its power those shrines & archeological sites were left alone. Now all of a sudden these yahoos know better than all the respected scholars & leaders of the past?

I really think the Suadis have a lot to do with it. Destroying monuments and religious tensions have always been a part of human society. Various regional forms of Islam have coexisted peacefully with others in places like Malaysia, Philipines, etc for a very long time. Over the past 50 years the Saudis have been using their wealth to send Imams and build Mosques all over the world spreading a more Wahabi brand of intolerant Islam.

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:00:14pm

re: #263 Shiplord Kirel

An H-bomb couldn't destroy the Great Pyramid, unless you put it in the King's Chamber. Even then, it would leave the bottom half or so intact, with a jagged inverted cone where the top used to be. (It is solid rock for any practical purpose, after all).
They could start taking it down block by block, though it might be hard to recruit the army of fanatics who are also skilled crane operators to do it. It would take a while in any case, with a deafening global howl and every legal, military, cultural and economic sanction known to lawyerdom as part of the background.

It would be a hell of a statement. "Egypt has decided to sacrifice tourism from now until the end of time on the altar of faith".

Not likely to happen, I don't think. And yes, getting them down would be one hell of an operation.

I know the outer casing of stone was stripped, sometime in the Middle Ages, for building stone for Cairo, but that would be child's play compared to actually damaging the structure.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:01:55pm

re: #264 Kragar

They could hire an Israeli construction company and do it in half the time.
///

"One day they want 'em put up, five thousand years later they want 'em torn down, and who do they call? Good old Moshe, that's who they call."

"Ah, stop whining. At least this time they're paying."

288 freetoken  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:02:34pm

For those who have not kept up with what longtime and now former National Review writer John Derbyshire is doing lately, he and his friends (e.g., Larry Auster) are adding to his infamous "letter" that finally (after years of doing similar things) got him released from NR.

It's full on racist crap. Really is, as Charles notes of the comments over at WND, Stormfront material.

I believe there still is a great deal of latent racism to be surfaced, especially among the reactionary right. We've not seen the end of it yet.

289 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:02:53pm

re: #284 gwangung

This doesn't make it any better.

Not really, no. I can't speak about the S. Carolina budget situation, I don't know anything about it. However, cuts happen. I'm sure a lot of Dem Governors are cutting some nice programs too.

290 dragonath  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:04:02pm

Speaking about pyramids, here's the only pyramid with an (mostly) intact limestone casing left. It's also 4,600 years old!

[Link: egyptphoto.ncf.ca...]

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:04:07pm

re: #268 CuriousLurker

They'd have to be nuts. I mean even more nuts than your garden variety extremist. Egypt is a poor country, they can hardly afford to lose the tourist $$.

I was telling someone the other day that I don't know where these fundies get this crap from to begin with—I'm talking about what's been going on in Timbuktu & the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas.

Islam has been around for 1,400 years, and even at the height of its power those shrines & archeological sites were left alone. Now all of a sudden these yahoos know better than all the respected scholars & leaders of the past?

I've heard a story that some early caliph tried to demolish them but couldn't, or was prevented, or something. I don't know if it's true.

And these guys are just full of themselves. If you actually rule a vast caliphate, you don't need to try so hard. If you're a two-bit preacher trying to get an Internet audience whipped up, you have to go for shock value.

292 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:04:11pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

I really think the Suadis have a lot to do with it. Destroying monuments and religious tensions have always been a part of human society. Various regional forms of Islam have coexisted peacefully with others in places like Malaysia, Philipines, etc for a very long time. Over the past 50 years the Saudis have been using their wealth to send Imams and build Mosques all over the world spreading a more Wahabi brand of intolerant Islam.

And that's who made this alleged statement -- a Saudi cleric. Not an Egyptian. Not a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and neither Morsi.

293 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:04:33pm

For those who are interested here is the website of UNESCO world heritage sites. The Pyramids are listed under the Memphis and its Neocropolis. [Link: whc.unesco.org...]

294 freetoken  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:04:43pm

Speaking of racial hatred:

Rights group urges crackdown on race crimes

A leading human rights organization is urging Greece's new government to take "urgent action" to curb an "alarming" increase in attacks against Asian and African immigrants, including brutal assaults by gangs on teenage boys and pregnant women.

In a 100-page report issued Tuesday, U.S.-based Human Rights Watch said xenophobic attacks, including stabbings and serious beatings, in the capital Athens have increased over the past two years, leaving dozens of confirmed victims and possibly many more.

[...]

In recent general elections, the far-right Golden Dawn party — which uses aggressive rhetoric against immigrants, and has been described by political opponents as neo-Nazi — won 18 seats in the 300-member parliament.

Golden Dawn spokesman Ilias Kasidiaris, during a weekend debate in parliament, described the country's immigration problem as part of a plan by Greece's enemies to it turn into a "wretched protectorate inhabited by sub-humans with no conscience, country or culture."

He called for land-mines to be laid along the country's borders.

[...]

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:04:44pm

re: #270 Kragar

The respected scholars of the past didn't have access to Semtex.

It's gonna take a lot of Semtex. That thing is built like a really large, pyramid-shaped, brick shithouse.

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:05:57pm

re: #272 Gus

Deuteronomy 12:2-3 "You shall utterly destroy all the places where the nations whom you shall dispossess serve their gods, on the high mountains and on the hills and under every green tree. "You shall tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and burn their Asherim with fire, and you shall cut down the engraved images of their gods and obliterate their name from that place.

And yet, this. Which is a lot smaller than the Great Pyramid of Giza.

297 gwangung  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:06:16pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

Not really, no. I can't speak about the S. Carolina budget situation, I don't know anything about it. However, cuts happen. I'm sure a lot of Dem Governors are cutting some nice programs too.

Well, I'd call emergency medicine a cut above "nice."

Essentially, she's valuing emergency medical care that can only be done for women as on the same level as the arts and other "frills."

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:06:27pm

re: #273 CuriousLurker

Well, I figure if people were capable of building them with what they had on hand thousands of years ago, then people who came along later, Semtex or not, were equally capable of dismantling them.

It probably would have taken about as long to get them down as up, though, and it's a hell of an investment.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:07:00pm

re: #279 Washed-Up-Clowns 'R' Us!

But I haven't heard of the state of Israel's destroying any churches. Or mosques. Or any outcry for them to do so.

Well, there are a few crazies, they should only be kicked in the ass...

300 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:08:01pm

I imagine the reverse happens. Pat Robertson will say something crazy and somewhere in Egypt a man will read it and think "those Americans are crazy, look at what they plan on doing," based on something Robertson said.

301 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:11:20pm

re: #279 Washed-Up-Clowns 'R' Us!

But I haven't heard of the state of Israel's destroying any churches. Or mosques. Or any outcry for them to do so.

There was no outcry for the destruction in Mali or Afghanistan either. The fundie extremists come up with this crap all on their own. From the NY Times on March 04, 2001:

[...] Muslims have argued that the Taliban are mistaken in their narrow interpretations of the Koran.

Today, Mr. Jamal, the information minister, effectively told the world to mind its own business. However much the uproar, the ''implementation of the decree will not be delayed,'' he said. Besides, the world ''knows that they cannot have a say in this'' because other nations are ''not kind'' to Afghanistan.

Indeed, only three countries -- Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates -- recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government.

But even those three have been disapproving this past week. Pakistan has protested the decree. Unesco's Arab group, which includes Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, has described the demolition plans as ''savage.'' [...]

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

From Wikipedia:

[...] In early 2000, local Taliban authorities asked for UN assistance to rebuild drainage ditches around tops of the alcoves in which the Buddhas were set.

However, Afghanistan's radical clerics began a campaign to crack down on "un-Islamic" segments of Afghan society. The Taliban soon banned all forms of imagery, music and sports, including television, in accordance with what they considered a strict interpretation of Sharia.

Information and Culture Minister Qadratullah Jamal told Associated Press of a decision by 400 religious clerics from across Afghanistan declaring the Buddhist statues against the tenets of Islam. "They came out with a consensus that the statues were against Islam," said Jamal.

According to UNESCO Director-General Koïchiro Matsuura, a meeting of ambassadors from the 54 member states of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) was conducted. All OIC states – including Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, three countries that officially recognised the Taliban government – joined the protest to spare the monuments. [...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

302 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:11:27pm

re: #300 Gus

I imagine the reverse happens. Pat Robertson will say something crazy and somewhere in Egypt a man will read it and think "those Americans are crazy, look at what they plan on doing," based on something Robertson said.

Or when a sitting member of congress called for nuking Mecca if a bomb went off in an American city.

303 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:12:52pm

re: #301 CuriousLurker

There was no outcry for the destruction in Mali or Afghanistan either. The fundie extremists come up with this crap all on their own. From the NY Times on March 04, 2001:

From Wikipedia:

The destruction in Mali has actually been devastating to the locals. One man who was interviewed on the street said "people have been crying a lot, especially women".

304 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:13:02pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Yes and no. Given the truncated quote and the usual suspects pushing the story (yes, think progress again) it not surprising there's a bit more nuance to the story. She's explaining her line item vetoes.
Haley vetoes spending for education, healthcare, arts

I'm sure rape victims in SC will appreciate that nuance.

305 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:15:04pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

I really think the Suadis have a lot to do with it. Destroying monuments and religious tensions have always been a part of human society. Various regional forms of Islam have coexisted peacefully with others in places like Malaysia, Philipines, etc for a very long time. Over the past 50 years the Saudis have been using their wealth to send Imams and build Mosques all over the world spreading a more Wahabi brand of intolerant Islam.

Yeah, they're not exactly helping, but even they were against the destruction of the Buddhas. Of course, here's probably a good bit of self interest there as they may fear the Frankensteins they helped create will be coming after their palaces, limos, and private jets next. //

306 docproto48  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:16:18pm

I performed a non scientific study of my physician colleagues this afternoon in NE TN. I asked every physician I saw n=16 if Obama-care would cause them to leave medicine. The answers ranged from Huh? to Hell no to I'm retiring in two years anyway. Counting my own opinion the percentage was 100% no (n=17). Of course including my own answer is incorrect so the result is 100% no (n=16)
DOC

307 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:18:03pm

re: #304 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm sure rape victims in SC will appreciate that nuance.

Don't mind KT.
He's just splitting hairs of enlightenment.

308 Kragar  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:18:16pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

It's gonna take a lot of Semtex. That thing is built like a really large, pyramid-shaped, brick shithouse.

With enough Semtex, I will move the world... literally.

309 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:20:31pm

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

The destruction in Mali has actually been devastating to the locals. One man who was interviewed on the street said "people have been crying a lot, especially women".

No doubt. Tombs/shrines are usually burial places of much-beloved Sufis (who the fundies would naturally hate).

310 Gus  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 4:33:58pm

Interesting. The wingnuts are reporting this as:

...Bahrain's "Sheikh of Sunni Sheikhs" and President of National Unity, Abd al-Latif al-Mahmoud...

However, the real president of Bahrain's National Unity Assembly is Dr Shaikh Abdullatif Al Mahmood.

Their spelling is incorrect. Something's not adding up here either.

311 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 10, 2012 5:31:37pm

re: #310 Gus

Trying to translate from Arabic into English takes some finessing and it's not uncommon to find different spelling or translations.


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